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I think the hottest coolest thing you can possibly do is hard launch everything about your life from here on out every big life moment it's only gonna be big no one's gonna know I'm pregnant next thing you know I'm holding a two-year-old you will never see a sneaky hand photo or anything of a man but you will see a 10-year anniversary post way down the line I want everyone to know nothing about me until it's far too late we stay mysterious tbtl i love that you're done with the place it's a really nicely done place how's it all going you asking me about my podcast yes i'm still trying to figure it out how can i do those

if i'm gonna be a comedian or a writer i don't even know how to write or a storyteller i don't even know how to do stories that funny only there's no white one wait what so what was the

exact question i i don't worry about it i'll move on it's all fine did we just become best friends

all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a tuesday edition of tbtl the show

just might be beautiful to live hey where's the freaking gabagoo my name is luke burbank i'm your

host. Dude, live it up. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where it's another rainy day here. Didn't know you like to get wet though. We had a couple, yesterday was beautiful, and we're kind of toggling now. We're clicking back and forth between the feeling of spring and the, I learned this word yesterday and and I already forgot it. It's something like particular elongation. I think that means, or some word close to that means like when the cherry blossoms come out. We've got that going on. Sometimes it'll be like blue sky and 65 degrees, and then we'll go right back to kind of wintry weather. So we're on that mode today. But we've got a great episode of the show in store for you. It's episode 3,635 in a collector's series.

Let the fun begin.

Continuing my, you know, like Criterion Collection is obviously the kind of go-to for synasts and people that are very into, like, film and quality movies and things. I'm doing sort of my own project with that. So who needs a movie? We're just kind of at random. I'm just throwing a dart every day at the TV. By the way, the TV is almost completely destroyed from this process. I don't know why I chose darts. It's very destructive to an OLED screen, but I'll just pick a movie from like four or five years ago that no one's talking about, and then I will just watch it, and then come here on TBTL and talk about it with all of you. That's my version of the Criterion Collection, and it will continue today, probably. I saw a movie called A Futile Stupid Gesture yesterday, which was pretty entertaining, actually. Also, speaking of things that are entertaining, wordle in the news again when is it not in the news there's an article out today that since the new york times took over wordle people have been cheating at wordle much more sooner or later gentlemen you will eat your word and there is supposedly evidence as to which state cheats the most at wordle and we will reveal which state that is also speaking of cheating or i guess at least breaking the rules the NFL has suspended a receiver for the Atlanta Falcons for a year for betting on football that cash could really get me out of a couple of jams this was during a week that he was not playing he was taking a week off for mental health issues and I guess while he was in the state of Florida made a couple of bets via an app on his phone and now he's going to miss a year over this this of course the same league that is awash in commercials for sports betting you gotta be kidding me apps so uh we'll get into that time permitting uh plus some emails and some v-mails and this guy the longest running cobro of the show he is of course please welcome the wickedly talented he's wickedly talented he's doing the work he's baby stepping he's andrew walsh and he's joining me right now from the roosevelt neighborhood of seattle washington for one of the last few days. I don't know, few days. But anyway, good morning, my friend.

Good morning. I will still be in Seattle, Washington, just not the Roosevelt District going forward. I know you know. I just wanted to be very clear in case somebody thought I was moving down to, I don't know, Houston. I'm not. I have a friend in Houston. My friend John lives in Houston. He's living in Houston.

there for like 20 years now he seems to enjoy it he's an outsider artist okay i don't know if he calls himself an outsider artist i threw the moniker or the descriptor outsider on there

i don't think you're trying to be an insider artist and then you find out that people think of you as an out that's like us thinking that we're making a popular podcast but finding out it's a boutique podcast yeah yesterday you said something in passing you're like because i was i I was wondering if we have more downloads than How You Live in J. Piven. And you said, I've seen the numbers lately, and we definitely don't, which I didn't really want to even follow up on that because it sounded bleak.

You know, I mean, listen, we do what we do over here, and that is to say that I don't want to paint a bleak picture of what we're doing for our current audience, Which is, I think that we have a special relationship With our audience that very few podcasts Can boast You know, but it is You know, again, let's stick with that word boutique I actually, I mean, we can just have this conversation On the air right now There is a person at APM who does all kinds of You know, audience research In fact, our audience recently Participated, what was that Luke? Six months ago that we were asking people to participate In an audience survey Which I think that, and that's another thing about TBTL10s I think we have incredible turnout for stuff like that. Yes. Get out the vote effort. And I think that the person who kind of who goes through all those numbers and then creates these kind of interesting, you know, what would you say? Data models. Spreadsheets and data models and presentations wants to present to each show. I missed the big meeting where all the numbers were talked about, but I asked if I could see the deck. I like to use that word. It makes me feel like a businessman. I asked if I could see her deck, and she showed me her deck, and it was nice. She had stained it recently. It overlooks a lake, and just a really beautiful deck. She also has a PowerPoint slide.

She was like Ipe or some kind of Brazilian hardwood, or did she go with Trex? Not that I'm currently looking at decking material for a project that I'm doing.

But anyway, so I took a really quick look at that, and, you know, my face probably looked like I might have accidentally swallowed a bug while comparing our numbers to anybody else on the APM roster.

Why do you need to know this information?

Well, because now is the fun part. It's audience building. It's about we're going to start building audience. So anyway, she wants to have one-on-one meetings with all the show teams to kind of crunch these numbers even more and talk about strategy. I don't know if really talk about strategy is right. I don't think that she's coming to us with suggestions. That's not her job. But just to explain these numbers in some context. And I find that stuff fascinating, and I have this email sitting in my inbox right now that I need to respond to about setting up a time to do this. And I wanted to run this by you. I was going to do this off air, but I assume you don't want to be a part of that meeting. You just want me to be the ambassador. No, I would really. You don't mind.

If you don't mind.

You don't want to step on that scale?

No, I don't. I really don't. This is how I think of this show. five days a week you and i get on get on this little uh internet connection and we talk and once a year for a week we ask the people listening if this is something that they like enough to donate money to it to keep it going and then when that week is over we talk to the people at apm and they tell us if we raise enough money or not and then we get to keep doing it for a year that's the amount of information that i really want to have around the because i think if i look at any other metrics it will make me feel sad and you know there aren't enough kindergartners in healdsburg california to cheer me up like i i mean i don't have any illusions about growing the audience for this show um which maybe i think that's the problem yeah

you know because i would love to grow the audience for this show well sure but i mean at what point

how many years into this are we of doing the show and also of doing the show at apm like is there a Is there a particular strategy That we have not explored I mean like that's the thing for me Is it's like of course I would love it if this show Had you know Millions of downloads an episode But I just don't know what unless we're the George Clooney of podcasting George Clooney Famously was not An instant hit on the Scene which is hard to imagine because he's so Charming and boy was he ever hunky but He's the story goes had many Years of auditioning for things and not Getting cast and then finally kind of broke through with the TV show Roseanne but there were many moments where it was kind of like he's couch surfing and other people would have said well this is just not for me I'm going to go into some other kind of line of work maybe we're the George Clooney of podcasting in that we've had many many years of low download numbers but one

day we're going to hit it big and just become a sensation. I mean, I guess you can't rule that out.

How about this? How about we have a rule? Every time you promote Livewire and TBTL you have to promote TBTL and Livewire.

Have you seen Livewire's download numbers? Also not burning up the charts. I think you have this thought.

You're on radio stations. Don't you think that there are tons of listeners who have no idea what a TBTL is or are but are interested in the Luke Burbank brand that if you were on the radio and just said, hey, also I host this other thing if you did that even once Don't you think some people might say hey I'd like more Burbank in my life and his nerdy Friend this is the thing

About that if we're really if we're really Really going to do this That was a whole conversation that was supposed To be happening with APM and Livewire was how do we do some cross promotion Here because you're right that would be A thing except you know it costs money They're basically the Like promotions all the stuff that happens On that radio show is you know it's not like the kind of it's not like this obviously where we were just totally i mean we're chatting to a degree but it's much more structured but i had that exact thought i was like you know what the people that seem to like live wire would probably like tbtl and vice versa and nobody followed up on trying to make that happen you know like so this is where i mean we're just having real talk now like that's that's where that's where i go into the mode of like i just don't want to see the numbers i just want to keep doing this five days a week until we can't do it anymore because if anyone followed up on that stuff from apm maybe it would be happening is now

a good time to mention that we do have a fundraiser coming up a tbtl it's a perfect time i think we

got these listeners good and scared about the future of this program i mean seriously like um no i mean just just to kind of at least from my side and i'm not telling you you're done talking about Andrew but to put a bow on it it's like of course I would love to have more listeners and of course it's probably not the most mature approach for me to just kind of like say I don't want to hear I just want to plug my ears and and sing be kind to your fine father and friends what's the song what's your go-to song for when you don't want something spoiled mine is

you know I don't know for sure that I have one but if I do it might be I hate to even raise this because it will be it'll just drive everybody nuts for the rest of the day but it might be a small world oh sure that would work but like once that's in there that's not coming out yeah

i know that it's not the most mature response for me just to be like related to our ratings as it were but but that is kind of where i'm at with things i guess so

you think that my singing of a small world after all will get this episode pulled from spotify though that's what i want to know i'm worried that i almost hit that too i wonder like because the listeners are probably like whoa did he play that or did he sing that how did he have that queued up so directly and the thing is i saying that that came out of my mouth could we try that

as a project so we've been we've been referencing this a bunch lately um on the show and i'm sure that astute listeners have figured out what we're talking about but in case it hasn't been totally clear we have had spotify clearly has some kind of i think newish um computer program that sort of crawls through all the shows that are on spotify and tries to make sure that nobody's using music that they may or may not have the license for and it's a little it's a let's just say it's a gray area as to what we can use and how much we can use of it and so we have been getting these emails from like spotify they go by way of some folks at apm that say oh yeah they they said you used too much of this song and we could actually file a protest or a basically um a challenge and say yeah yeah we could say we have the right to use this because we work for apm and they pay certain licensing or we could say we only used x number of seconds of it again we're too lazy to do that so they we just like let them take down those episodes what would be really interesting would be if we could sing a song so well, Andrew, that the Spotify spider actually said, I'm sorry, but this episode, 3,635, was pulled for your use of It's a Small World After All. That would be an interesting project to launch on. Could we create, could God microwave a burrito so hot he couldn't eat it? Could we sing a song so well that Spotify really thought we were actually ripping off the artist?

Could Disney create an algorithm so particular that it could identify me singing one of their copyrighted songs? By the way, what do you think the chances are eventually we work for Disney? Because it's my understanding that every single— We may work for Disney right now. Every single media product, I think.

I legitimately do not know who I actually work for at CBS. Becca was talking about a frustrating call that she had with Comcast, which is there any other kind. And

and uh and i made a joke i said hey that's my boss you're talking about because sometimes i get emails that are related to my cbs job but they're from comcast i think comcast might own cbs but then i also get these emails from paramount pictures who they're somehow involved and i know this because and yes andrew this is why our downloads are low i'm about to talk about expense management systems guess what guess what email i got from comcast slash paramount who apparently might own the company cbs that i also work for good news we're we're migrating away from chrome river as our expense saw our you know travel expense thing and we're getting on board with concur i knew it well that's which i have no flipping idea how to do wait what i thought that

You're a master of Concur, too, from our APM stuff. I mean, I know that you do more traveling for CBS, so therefore you're really invested in the Chrome River situation. But you all, I mean, you were showing me Concur hacks at one point. Do you remember that? I mean, that is a, and so I thought you were like, okay, well, now at least it's all under one roof. You don't have to, not under one roof, but it's all one system that you will know. By the way, though, I'm a little bit confused about something. And again, obviously, this is your life and your job. But Comcast famously had a connection to NBC, the idea of Comcast having a connection to because Comcast like owned NBC for a while. And remember, 30 Rock even kind of parodied it and called it Cable Town. So and of course, Paramount and CBS have a relationship. I know that. But are you sure that there's a any kind of an ownership relationship between Comcast and CBS? That would know wrong about this stuff a lot. No, it's Viacom to me. Oh, Viacom. Certainly. Yeah. i always mix those what is viacom viacom i don't know but it is one of those uh because didn't viacom even own like um is there a connection between like vh1 and mtv no i think i'm confusing

them with another conglomerate but so basically the internet it's what's funny is that it took me one second to google this it never occurred to me to do that until this moment like who do i work for over there so i guess it's something called paramount global so paramount global

So beyond parody

I think they run They run a bunch of things as you might imagine Including Viacom CBS, one word Viacom CBS And Viacom CBS is That's like more directly who I Report to and of course in my mind Viacom and Comcast are the same thing So I think it's Like Viacom absorbs CBS And then that Whatever that entity is now we report all the way up to Paramount Global. What I really wonder is, does that mean I can go on the Paramount lot? I'm going to L.A. this weekend. Can I, like, flash my CBS badge and be like, yeah, we're all cool here, right? I'll just go, can I do a little guest star on whatever show is being shot on the Paramount television studio lot?

Sure, just like Pee Wee Herman walking across the Twisted Sister video. Absolutely. And by the way, I just want to say, I shouldn't have backed off my claim so early. Viacom is also the, I'm sorry, via comp bs um is sorry i'm just hey i didn't that's my boss i didn't mean you're talking about

about that i was just that's my that's my global octopus of content that you're that's your globo

chem anyway they were they do own mtv and vh1 and also i believe um our boss's boss's boss the person who runs our division was from viacom right right because they but space anyway anyway did you see that while we're talking about all of this did you my point in all that Andrew is no I'm not going to that meeting did you see good I'm gonna set it up myself um did you see that and I'm just trying to figure this out I'm I'm signed up for too many email lists like at first I was like I'm gonna be one of those people who's gonna be really informed by signing up for every email list and now I'm just getting too much stuff but I did get an email from Mike Peska of the gist today i did too about an nft about an nft i had to text him what is your reaction to

that no flippin time am i gonna do an nft no flippin time that was andrew i was in the moment i'm sorry no you know what honestly the defense was bearing down on me i just had to throw the ball out of bounds pretty good actually i just wanted to live to play another down i didn't You want to turn the ball over. I just chucked it right out of bounds. No, that is an interesting thing. Sometimes it's the passes you don't throw that can really turn the game.

Well, I'll be honest with you. There's nothing tempting to me at all about the NFT space at all. I don't know what's going on. I mean, I might just be making the biggest mistake of my life by just saying I am personally and professionally not interested in that aspect of the economy and culture. And that's what it is. I stumbled my way through trying to wrap my head around this Just what I think is a sui generis time of commerce, investment, economy, and bizarre culture. You know, like I don't think that's our new podcast. Bizarre culture. I don't think that the gist is bizarre. That's just like the edges of it. But then when you get just a little bit deeper into the Paris Hilton's and the Randy Zuckerberg stories that we've been talking about lately, like that Insecure Apes. Oh, my God. The Lonely Planet of the Apes. Is that what it is? All right, that's a possible show title. It's just like I don't – like I keep on thinking. I thought this in 2014 too, by the way. I kept thinking like this will pass. Just keep holding your breath. Eventually this will pass and it doesn't matter. What was happening in 2014? I just remember people were just starting to talk more and more about crypto. And I remember even like working on press play with Madeline Brand. Like Madeline who's a very, very, very smart person. Even she was just like, but how much of this do I have to learn? Like, do we have to do another segment on this? Because, like, we're all just hoping, like, can this just pass? Can, like, never mind. I was going to make a Bible reference I don't need to make. But, you know, if it be thy will, NFT, just take this NFT from my head.

By the way, they have made the chalice. They have. Actually, I don't think he was. I don't think it was a literal chalice, right? It was just a cup that Jesus wanted to have passed when he was in the Garden of Gethsemane. But they've turned that into an NFT.

Oh, right. And I was thinking of the crown of thorns as well, but I kind of really mangled that. And also I think I'm getting in some really dicey territory as far as talking about religion and being disrespectful. So I don't want to do that. But anyway, yeah, like I think for a while it's just like, well, we'll just get through this. And then we'll all laugh and be like, remember when everybody was obsessed with that thing I didn't understand? But it is looking more and more like I either need to figure this shit out or just like drowned, you know, like in the undertow of the NFT economy.

i yeah i'm so unqualified to really talk about it i just don't i just don't understand like macroeconomics and currencies and things like that and i mean the nft thing to me does feel i feel like crypto is probably here to stay because of the at least ostensible practical implications of being able to move we'll just call it money back and forth without certain governmental intrusions and other things like that so that's like crypto that's like basically we're all going to agree that this thing is money and we're all going to like treat it like it has value i could see that sort of persisting for a variety of reasons the idea that i want to pay a million dollars for a board ape because i can later prove on the blockchain that i own it that's the one that seems way more kind of trendy and overhyped to me like i could see again i'm saying this with absolutely no training or research on this topic but like i could see that the nft stuff feels real really like a tulip a tulip bubble to me like remember when people were paying millions of dollars for some digital thing that they were never able to tangibly hold and really the value was just what someone else would pay for it that seems like that's kind of to me a little bit precarious the the idea that there's going to be you know other currencies that are digital there's just fascinating story in buzzfeed news about the city of denton texas which um had a uh you know they were hit especially hard by the um the the the power outages that happened in texas last year basically what happened was and this is a very complicated story that i will get most of the details wrong on so i would just point everybody in the direction of this article in buzzfeed written by sarah emerson uh called um this texas town was deep in debt from a devastating winter storm then a crypto miner came knocking and just the short version of the story is denton texas has to spend 200 million dollars during this storm because they didn't have any power and they had to go buy power on the open market because of texas's deregulation of everything right so now you have this town of i think like 140 000 people that's 200 million dollars in the hole and they've got this old mine that i don't know how functional it is anymore and suddenly these this shadowy operation shows up and says we want to build something out by the old mine and we're going to pay you so much money to let us do this i'm sorry not mine maybe it's a power plant of some kind gas power plant is what it was and they basically said we'll pay you enough money that you will get you out of the hole on this whole 200 million dollars you owe and

so they signed up with it and it's a crypto operation that uses to more energy than the entire town oh my goodness gracious the idea of a crypto mine that's next to a natural gas power plant that a a city had to bring in so that they could get out of the hole because of their debt that was incurred because of buying power on the open market is just it's

you know it's peak 2022 i think did they at any point start singing 76 bored apes in the big parade it sounds so you're gonna get us pulled from spotify again andrew so is it harold harold hill coming into town and be like i didn't catch your name don't believe i dropped it like this

sounds like the most music manny thing in the world seriously i mean again just the deat the dazzling deat that this crypto mining operation uses more power than the whole town is i mean Because this is the thing is now you've got these crypto mining operations that are trying to find places where they can get power the cheapest because that's the whole cost, really. I mean, there's some equipment costs, but really the biggie is enough electricity to run all these computers that are mining all this crypto. Oh, my God. Anyway, this is an amazing article, again, in BuzzFeed News, written by Sarah Emerson, And it'll be much more enriching than me just like repeating my kind of vague memory of it. What I'd like to repeat, Andrew, is my vague memory of the film, A Futile and Stupid Gesture, which I watched last night, starring Will Forte as somebody named Doug Kenny, who was the co-founder of the National Lampoon. and i i was doing that thing on netflix where i'm just kind of mindlessly scrolling around and i saw you know i'm a will forte fan and i saw like a picture of him in some movie that i like never even knew existed and i was like okay i like will forte i'll give this uh as kevin would say a day in court and i started watching it and it's a pretty interesting film it's directed by david

wayne you know who has that's why i know it i told you before the show i'm like i remember this coming out and yes of course i heard david wayne on comedy bang bang talking about this forever ago

yes yes so i'm not really like i'm a little bit too young for like the national lampoon i mean of course i was i saw the logo of the national lampoon because it was on a lot of movies when i was a kid that i thought maybe had boobs in it so you know all the like animal house and the vacation movies and things like that i was aware that there was something called the national lampoon which i think i thought was like a playboy or something because i only saw it associated with movies where i knew there was some amount of nudity um but i i was not really like like old enough to have read the national lampoon when it was coming out or understood it but i know that it's legendary and i know that so many people in comedy talk about kind of it was sort of a precursor to Saturday Night Live in that a lot of the people the early cast of Saturday Night Live were all part of the National Lampoon Radio Hour this was out of am I wrong am I conflating this this is the heart this was out of Harvard right well yeah so basically what happened was these couple of guys Don Kenny who's the the person that um Will Forte is playing and uh his other guy whose name was I think Thomas Beard maybe they were at the Harvard Lampoon which is a famous kind of humor magazine within harvard that has generated pretty much every white male comedy writer for the last 40 years um conan o'brien being a notable one probably seth meyer i don't even i don't know where seth meyer went to college i bet you he went to harvard and wrote for the lampoon um is my guess i bet you john mulaney also went to harvard and wrote for the lampoon um these are these are not things i know to be facts they're just my hunch but anyway they Seth Meyers, Northwestern University Oh, okay You know what I saw on Twitter the other day? Our buddy, television's Chris Hayes Is the most He has been a guest on Late Night with Seth Meyers More than any other guest He has been on that show more than any guest In the history of the show

I know he's been on a lot, but I didn't realize that much I love that That's actually a really good pairing

It is, and that's a cool distinction Because it's a great show I'm definitely like probably have been on tbtl the most frequently of anyone so i've got that going for me that's

that's probably true let's see well we did have chris on quite a bit you're first it would be

great if chris was also the book he's probably the most frequent guest at this point on tbtl yeah he probably is actually if you count them all right calm down hayes yeah okay stop so um yeah so you're right it started as so these guys were at the harvard lampoon and they were loving that and then they graduated and they wanted to keep it going and so they started this thing

related to harvard called the national lampoon again these are like very obvious details but ones that i just didn't even know um about what the connection was and apparently they were able to get they they use a lot of creative license with this film and one of the things i thought that was clever about it was they're also very open about that like they pull the curtain like there's this one point where they're it's kind of like the beginning of the magazine and they're kind of establishing who the sort of characters are right and and so they they're they're listing them these you know like maybe four or five kind of critical early writers and then they go and there was also these contributors and then all these people start walking into the frame and they're listing their names and they go but we really only had time for like four people so you all aren't really going to get mentioned and then those people kind of sadly shuffle off and then the martin mole character goes if one of you were black you'd probably get to be in this And then because, of course, it's overwhelmingly white. Then, of course, you have two African-Americans who one of them is played by Chris Redd from SNL who kind of walk up to this. Martin Mull plays this kind of plot device. He's the sort of like 65 year old version of the main character who's kind of narrating us and taking us through the film. So the fourth wall is continually being knocked down when you have this guy, Doug Kenny, in his 60s, which, by the way, he never made it to that age. He died when he was 33. But Martin Mull is playing him, and he's kind of narrating for us and taking us through things. And he's the one who kind of says, sorry, none of you were interesting enough to make it into this film. And then these two African-American characters show up and go, so what are you saying? There were no funny black writers at the time, or there were no women writers who were funny? And he was like, no, no, no, there were. We just weren't looking for them or something. And then, you know, like they're trying to sort of address a lot of the stuff that's hanging over the story of this and the privilege involved in things. And also, like I said, they're constantly then they run this one scroll. They go, by the way, these are a bunch of other things we change to make this movie more interesting. And they run this long list of things like that are obviously like changing, you know, making someone at a meeting who wasn't at that meeting. Right. Or or like just basically messing with miss messing with the actual events. so that this movie plays better.

You know what this reminds me of from your description, although I can't tell if they have sometimes similar styles or if I just conflate them erroneously, but Adam McKay, I feel like, will do that sort of a wink and a nod. And did he also direct Adam McKay, of course, did Don't Look Up and a bunch of other things, but who did Vice? Was that Mike White or Adam McKay? Because I felt like that was kind of winking and nodding. The story about Dick Cheney, I think it's called Vice. I think that was I think that was Adam McKay McKay as well okay then yeah yeah because Mike White he was the Lotus right the Lotus TV show White Lotus there's also yeah there's a great history Mike White yeah he was White Lotus yeah yeah I'm thinking of I'm thinking of Adam McKay that's sort of like I'm gonna tell you this historical story but I'm also gonna like kind of tear back the curtain a little bit and show you the process and kind of wink and nod and and kind of do this modern storytelling about real life events right and that's definitely what happens in this film

there's a ton of a ton of winking and nodding a ton of addressing the camera directly of pulling back the curtain and kind of saying yeah you know like there's this one point where the so the national lamp so the national lampoon takes off as a magazine and according to this movie i don't know if this is true or not the only place they could get to actually start printing the magazine was a company that's other main magazine was the weight watchers magazine okay like nobody really wanted to take on this project because they didn't think there would be any money in it and they had this guy named like i think his name was maddie simmons in the film he's played by matt walsh of crouch cream i want to say crouch cream um he plays the guy who's in charge of this this magazine company that that signs them on but um they're so after the magazine starts to take off they also get this national lampoon radio hour and this is where the the whole thing gets kind of interesting because they now have to cast actors to play some of the most famous actors In the history of comedy So they have someone Pretending to be Gilda Radner They have someone Pretending to be John Belushi They have someone Pretending to be Chevy Chase Oh by the way That's Joel McHale

That is That is ironic right Because they They were on They were on Community together And then there was Kind of a big blow up Between Chevy Chase And the rest of the staff And writers Right exactly

So that's interesting casting They have I'm trying to think There's a Like who else Would have been In that Oh there's somebody playing christopher guest like everybody who we think of from snl and then a lot of those like spinal tap things and stuff like that they were all they all kind of got a lot of them got their start doing this national lampoon radio hour so there's this point where they kind of line up this this this row of these like Like now kind of well-known comedians. And none of them are very convincing looking. Oh, they have Bill Murray there. He's being portrayed by the actor. I think his name is John Daly, who's probably on Bang Bang a lot as well. He's a noted improviser in a lot of things. But the Martin Mull character says, I know. He goes, look, I know none of these people really look that much like the people they're playing. But what are you going to do? Also he goes Do you think Will Forte Looks like Don Kenny And then they like Show Will Forte And also do you think He's 27 And you're like Because he's supposed To be portraying A 27 year old version Of this guy And you're like Oh yeah no But then once Once they establish that There's something very It's like It's like us establishing That we have low ratings Andrew Once you just totally Remove all expectations About how successful Something's going to be Then the viewer Or the listener Is free to just enjoy it Without being stressed like I was like Yeah you know what honestly none of these People like Joel McHale Is not that convincing as Chevy Chase But I'm just going to go with it Because they've instructed me to go with it and they're Admitting that it's not very convincing

This is unrelated to what you're saying But I have to Point out here that you mentioned John Daly and he is the person who On Comedy Bang Bang yeah he's a he's on there All the time playing many Characters he's the only person by the way who will do multiple characters in one sitting like he will have a conversation with himself as different characters i mean his brain is amazing but he's also the one i've told you about this a lot he plays the character dalton wilcox who's the cowboy poet who wrote the book you must buy your wife is at least as much jewelry as you buy your horse and other poems and observations humorous and otherwise from a life lived on the range i believe is that like a baxter black it is it is and we've talked about this like i just and i know i'm getting off your thing but just because we've talked about it and i just love and now dalton wilcox that character has his own podcast as well called bonanza for bonanza which is a bonanza recap show um and anyway like he's just like john daly is just a beautiful beautiful mind he's also in those i think carmax commercials

or something like that which i don't know that's andy daly or that's and that's oh shit no you're

right i'm confusing john daly with andy daly never mind sorry well i got to say dalton wilcox again no you're right so john daly though i know that name i know that name john if you google him

and you see him i think that's his name you'll be like oh that guy he's in a million things

wait but it's andy daly that i'm thinking of my apologies to everybody who just their heads just exploded with that yes of course that's andy daly um that's a lot of dailies though to deal it is anyway that's my daily that's my daily mistake um but uh anyway i started to get you Is that a Sheryl Crow song?

You're my daily mistake. What's the bottom line on this movie?

Are you recommending it or not? Because I am somebody who is usually like, I knew about this, and I like a lot of the people in it, but I'm not a huge fan of anything that even kind of has a little bit of a whiff of a biopic kind of thing. But the way you're describing it, the sort of like the self-referential nature of it, and kind of like saying, hey, listen, just go with us on this actually sounds very appealing to me. And I love David Wayne.

So here's who I would recommend it to if you are someone who is kind of interested in comedy and and are interested in sort of the history of a certain kind of comedy, whether it's like SNL in the early years or I mean, everyone at The Onion famously would always say that they were all inspired by the National Lampoon. The National Lampoon was really The Onion before, like, with more nudity, but it was basically The Onion before The Onion existed. If you're interested, and, like, you know, this guy, Doug Kenny, who I think I referred to as Don Kenny a couple times, which is great. I made a note to myself of what his name was, and I wrote down the wrong name, which really kind of makes the note sort of not effective. But Doug List Kenny is the name of this guy, not Don Kenny, sorry. um like you know he also he wrote animal house and he wrote caddyshack and there's like scenes where they're shooting caddyshack like these are things that are interesting to me because i really like the movie caddyshack and so i found it interesting as kind of just like i i wasn't it wasn't like dramatic i wasn't like on the edge of my couch i wasn't like oh my god this is like this is an incredibly effective john belushi impression in fact i almost think i could i mean And it helps that I'm a fellow Albanian-American. But the guy they had playing Belushi couldn't have looked less like Belushi to me. But that wasn't what was interesting to me. What was interesting was seeing all the connection points between all of these people in comedy. And who kind of worked where. And how these folks ended up on SNL. And what the studio thought of Caddyshack. And when Caddyshack came out in relation to the movie Airplane. Which... Apparently was according to this film was really had this Doug Kenny guy feeling very dispirited because like Airplane was this massive hit right as they were releasing Caddyshack. And so Caddyshack was actually kind of unpopular at the time, but then went on to have, you know, kind of a cult following. So if you're somebody who finds all that stuff interesting, this is almost just like it's basically like watching a two hour Wikipedia entry about all the connection points between these people in comedy. Did Wayne ask you to blurb this for him?

Is that what it says on the posters? Yeah, exactly.

Luke Burbank from Livewire and not TVTL.

And nothing else.

Luke Burbank from Livewire and absolutely nothing else. Called it a two-hour Wikipedia dive.

Why does it say suck it, Andrew? On the posters. Luke Burbank from suck it, Andrew. So weird.

Okay. Let us take a quick break here, And then when we come back, we'll get into these top stories. And again, we've got some emails. Oh, it's only 41 minutes into the show. Today, you were like, hey, just a reminder, Burbs. I've got a pretty healthy number of emails and V-mails to get into. So I was like, perfect. Let's just go 41 minutes before the first break.

Well, I'm not going anywhere, so I don't know what your time is like today.

I've got a lot of live wire to record later. I've got to record my spinoff podcast. Suck it, Andrew. All right. Back with more TVTL in just a moment.

we was hoping for some razzle dazzle razzle dazzle that's right man razzle dazzle on your mark on your mark get set get set now ready ready go everybody razzle dazzle

everybody razzle dazzle well will you look at this speaking of the unique tbtl business model we have arrived at our dazzling donors these are the folks who are donating a dazzling amount of dough to tbtl and keeping us somehow here despite despite all of the um data points to the contrary here we are doing the show thanks to fine folks like look at this it's only appropriate we would kick this phase of the year off with our friend the perfect 10 himself nick Armies in Baxter, Minnesota. The Perfect Ten. Now, I think it's funny.

We have pronouncers on these things. And Nick was like, you can say Armies, Sleeveys, whatever works. Perfect Ten. But I think technically his name is Nick Arms, right? That's the proper way to say his name. How did Sleeveys ever get started? That was you? That's me. I'm an idiot. I thought that was Nick. I always thought his name was Armies. And I always thought of the joke. Where does the king keep his armies and his sleevies?

Okay, so here's what my brain, here's what I had to Mandela-ed into the situation. I thought that was a helpful memory device that Nick had suggested. And that's why I've always defaulted to that. I didn't remember that that was what you had suggested. I didn't realize that you had ruined this for us. I really did. Entering that into my brain. Okay, gotcha. Nick Arms.

Hey, Nick. I'm pretty sure it's Nick Arms, but I will say, and this is unrelated to Nick, The King, Army, Sleeveys, my favorite joke, hands down. If you ever have to say, like, what is he? If we're ever on the, like, newlywed game, that's my favorite joke. Okay.

Nick Sleeveys in Baxter, Minnesota. Hey, dummies. It's Nick from Minnesota. First, shout out to Jake, the perfect daddy, and Emmy Kate, the perfect zaddy. Do you think Emmy Kate is driving that Yaris in my building that has zaddy as the van he played on it?

Oh, I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

I was like, that is, wow, that is energy. Yaris, that says zaddy. Zaddy. I love it, too. And you know what I really love about it is the Yaris is a small car. So it's one of the vehicles that's not making it impossible for me to park in my apartment building. As opposed to that truck. Although that guy, I will say this, the guy who drives that truck has gotten much better about it. I think what happened was this was a truck that was hanging way out into the driveway. And to the point where I took a picture of it, I think we might have even used it as a show pic. I'm wondering if that truck was new to that person and they just were uncomfortable getting it too close to the wall of the parking garage. Anyway, that seems to have mostly remedied itself but you love the Yaris because you could park two Yaris's I know you do you could park two Yaris's in the spot, so anyway Nick says, second could you please find a random voicemail of mine and play it. Voicemail roulette now andrew you are the keeper of the voicemail flame on the show and you so you know more info on this than i do but nick is definitely what would you call him a frequent flyer in the

voicemail department yeah nick is often leaving voicemails on the voicemail line and he's told me

talked about this in person before i think when we were in florida we were talking about he's like yeah i don't expect you to play those that's just the voicemail line for nick is often just a place for him to maybe sort out his feelings about things and what have you um and so i do have a couple here from let's see last week that i haven't even reviewed yet because i'm a little bit behind on the voicemail so i'll give you a choice here it looks like nick uh and i you know for frequent callers i will put their information into google voice so i can see that nick in florida called Friday around 3.40. He also called in the morning. Well, he's in Baxter, Minnesota, but yes. Yes. What did I say? Oh, that's right. I inserted this information before he moved to Minnesota, which I think that will come up again later on in his Dazzling Donor message. But having said that, do you want to hear a note from Nick that he left in the morning last Friday or the afternoon of last Friday?

I want to hear in the morning when he's freshest, when he's on his game. Okay, let's take a listen to this. Dumbies, Nick, Minnesota.

But you might be shocked to hear that I have multiple friends who actually work at the Galactic Star Cruiser, and some people who I know helped work on it.

Now, the Galactic Star Cruiser is something that we were talking about, a new Disney property where you can go and kind of live the life of a starfighter. Is that right?

It's a Star Wars-based immersive experience that's five grand for the weekend, and you are given all these missions and things like that.

who actually work at the Galactic Star Fraser, and some people who I know helped work on it and then create it. Everyone who – I have friends who have also attended it, and you'd be shocked to hear that they said it was the coolest, greatest thing ever. I think it's something to remember that they did not have to pay for said experience. um so i i know there's one person who um if they love star wars just like how i do and he was all he was raving about it but i just i i i know he would not do this if it was a if he was gonna be responsible for the financial portion of it um i think it's cool um i think I don't think I'll ever shove that much money out as much as I am literally branded with Star Wars

tattoos and attend

the conventions. But also a

TBTL tattoo, Nick. That's right.

Don't forget. Maybe the first TBTL tattoo?

I don't know. I think so. Maybe that we were aware of. Go back to this. I would just say I think we get the gist of it. I would say that we'll definitely, Nick, if you're choosing between tbtl and the galactic star cruiser choose tbtl please because i don't know if you heard the beginning of the show but we're broke uh we really need the donations um so that's priority number one uh also i i hear that like i bet you if i was really into star wars and i got to go to this thing particularly if i got to go without having to pay for it i mean that would be an amazing experience so i hope it was clear and i don't think that nick is Trying to push back on anything But I hope it was clear When we talked about this at the time That I was saying Andrew I don't think this is something for you and me But I can totally understand people loving it If they love Star Wars

Like some people do Yeah parts of it look great to me Just I don't want to dress up Even for Halloween

Right Here's the rest of Nick's dazzling donor message As I've said on many voicemails This show gets me through The tough times You never cease to delight me And make even the hardest days a bit brighter the tens community is so supportive and i've loved seeing it thrive over the years you two have created a very special thing and as much as you punch down to yourselves you both have a lot to be proud of oh thanks nick uh i would say come to minnesota for the 4000th episode but i doubt i'll be here so dealer's choice this time thanks for everything friendos sounds like nick is uh on a uh limited deployment to minnesota yeah according to some other voicemails i've heard it

sounds like um the minnesota experiment has not been as successful as maybe uh one had hoped but uh the the future is still very bright for one nick arms possibly well thank you nick arms the

perfect 10 for supporting the program we really appreciate you maestro on your mark on your mark

get set get set now ready ready go everybody it's all coming back to me andrew yeah i know exactly

And you, too. Good job. Way to be on the ready with that audio.

I'm ready. I wanted to say, I did kind of talk over you there. My apologies. But it just occurred to me. You know how we can remember that it's arms from now on? Just remember, arms are for hugging. And who's more huggable than our friend Nick Arms? Arms are for hugging.

Nobody, when he's in that hot dog outfit? I'm telling you. We have to find out who did this. If you know, you know. Hey.

Our next dazzling donor is none other than Lauren Castelli in Jackson, Florida. My, I probably brought this up last year. My most vivid memory of interacting with Lauren was when we did the Vaniversary show. And we were, my memory is we were either pulling into or pulling out of the Burbank Springs Broadcast Center in Bellingham. And Lauren had called in about industrial toilet paper. At her place of employment Maybe they made it or something

I don't think they made it I feel like it was more of a distribution situation But I could be wrong about that But I remember this phone call And I think they would roll it out to make sure

They had to like roll out one out of every so many To make sure there was like enough Like it was actually the however long It purported to be or something But Lauren says TBTL is my longest relationship Well welcome to the club Lauren Me too My daily ritual My hug At the end of the day The radio archives Are my warm Weighted blanket My thunder shirt When times are dark Could we Could that be how We promote the show It's like a weighted blanket Of audio

Or even just Your longest relationship Or your best relationship

Yeah Like one of the hosts This is the only relationship You can make work Wow uh this past year was full of dark times my mom's health started failing in april i'm sorry lauren and it got progressively worse our lives were completely disrupted at any given moment a giant shoe could and often did drop tbtl was my respite during the chaos cleaning out her apartment moving her to multiple facilities rushing to the hospital and ultimately planning her memorial and handling her estate when she passed. This show and the imaginary friends I've made through it kept me from completely unraveling. I'm forever grateful for your existence and gift to this community. I love you. Thank you. No mountain too tall from Lauren in Jacksonville. Well, Lauren, we're so sorry to hear about your mom and really, I overuse this term, but I just don't have a better word for it it's very humbling to hear about how tbtl and let's be honest probably more to the point the tens community really step up for each other and the idea that this little silly thing andrew that we do that has low ratings that i don't want to go to meetings over um that it's something that for some people can provide some kind of emotional support or just a feeling of you know a warm hug when things are not great in life the fact that this has somehow achieved that goal for people is really humbling so yeah uh thank you lauren for the support and i'm so sorry to hear about how tough this year has been on you just hoping that there are brighter things ahead for all of us maybe andrew in this meeting that you're going to you'll crack the code on how we

actually make this show popular i'm gonna see if lauren wants to join us for this meeting it seems like she's got a pretty good head on her shoulders and might have some ideas to bring to the table lauren um just can you share your calendar with me i'll i'll schedule something

hello and welcome to top story why don't we talk maybe about this nfl story tomorrow because i actually think there's kind of a lot there yeah let me read into that a little bit more because

I saw when that news broke yesterday, like, boy, talk about instant opinions like that story was like three seconds old. And, you know, I follow a lot of sports accounts on Twitter. And so and I just felt like it immediately turned into like kind of an I don't know, if not an argument, an intense conversation on Twitter. So when I saw this on the show sheet today, I was like, oh, I really should have read deeper into that story. So I'll try to do that before tomorrow, because I don't know how I feel about the is it Calvin Riddle? Yeah, yeah, that's the name of the guy.

I mean, yeah, we'll talk about it tomorrow. But because there's also – this is just a little – this is a forward promotion for tomorrow. I had no idea that this whole kind of story about sports betting in some way connects back to the TV show Webster. So, well, we'll talk about all that tomorrow. This is the story that we'll discuss today from the New York Post. Everyone is cheating at Wordle, and these are the most guilty states, according to a study. Amid the ongoing complaints regarding the New York Times-owned Brain Games alleged difficulty, which is—I thought it was just me, but I guess there is this kind of somewhat of a consensus, I guess, that Wordle did get harder when it moved to the Times. Have you still been playing it, and has that been your experience?

Yeah, I play it every single day, share results with Genevieve. Genevieve has a separate chain. I don't understand why I'm I asked her this weekend why am I not we're driving in the car this is a sorry Luke this is tangent upon tangent here we're driving in the car the other day and Genevieve's phone is plugged into the system because we're using its mapping function right and when that happens and you get a text message it'll say like you have a text message from Luke Burbank suck it Andrew so weird or if it's a group text it'll be like you have a text message from luke anita kevin andrew what have you right and then it'll say who the speaker is who's jumping on here luke says suck it andrew um and it's really weird how you just keep coming back to that anyway i'm driving with genevieve and it's her phone that's plugged in and she gets a text message from like our friends katie kevin and anita and it was like some i didn't and then whatever the text message was i didn't get it it was a reference to some ongoing joke they had and the robot voice reads the joke and then Genevieve laughs and the radio comes back on and I'm like what was that about she's like that was a reference to an earlier conversation I'm like why am I not on that thread like why what is going on on this thread that you think that I'm not allowed to to be on and she's like I don't know it started as a wordle it was our wordle chain um and she has a name for it now Luke this actually ties into um I'm getting really further away from the story here this ties into where I'm moving that the area of town I'm moving in is let's just say that the prostitution industry is just bustling there and we have apparently I

did not see this being where the word of conversation exactly and I don't know if this

is filthy or not I don't think there's anything filthy implied with this name but um we apparently have a somewhat of a a neighbor who's maybe in his uh late 60s early 70s has lived in the neighborhood um for decades is kind of a bit of a character as genevieve describes him and um he kind of saw genevieve nosing around the house before we got the keys and um kind of went up and introduced himself and was kind of complaining about what he calls the sweet cream ladies whoa in the neighborhood that is what he apparently possibly an antiquated term

I've never heard that I've never heard that In relation to sex work

There might be a chance that it goes back So Genevieve, Kevin, Anita And Katie are obsessed with this now And they are calling themselves The Sweet Cream Gang Which honestly I wouldn't want to belong to any Sweet Cream Gang That would have you But anyway yeah The Sweet Cream Gang apparently has a whole Wordle conversation going on That I am not a part of

i guess there are much more derogatory terms you know like so i it's it's a bit evocative for me and it's a very very complicated subject topic i should say as to you know agency and human trafficking and you know also adults being allowed to do what adults want to do with other consenting adults there's many layers to this topic but i guess i would say that sweet cream ladies is not Like, again, there are much there are much more derogatory terms you could use.

Well, my understanding is and Genevieve texted this to me when I was in Cleveland and I didn't really investigate it. But it looks like the term originally came from everything comes back to Alex Chilton. I feel like it looks like it originally and the box tops. And there was a box top song called Sweet Cream Ladies Forward March. And it seemed to be almost like an ode to the ladies of the evening. almost an open thank you letter for doing a difficult job and so it sounds like maybe and that song came out I'm looking now in 1969 so I'm thinking that maybe that is where the term came from and this fella this neighbor of ours who's a bit of a character might have latched on to that huge big star fan assuming right yeah so anyway all of that is to say yeah I like Wordle we're still playing every day I'm not allowed to be on the special chain for some reason but Genevieve will tell me what's going on and i will say i have been tempted as genevieve and i will kind of talk shit uh to each other when we're kind of sharing our results um and there's some you know pretty intense competition between us i have been tempted to cheat by just clearing my cookies on my web browser or on my phone and then getting to do the the you know like figuring out the puzzle in three four five or six turns then clearing my cookies and then doing the puzzle again or in a different device and getting a better result and sending it to genevieve i've been tempted i've never done it

i want to mention that i was not playing that alert sound andrew to try to make some sort of sonic point remember before the show i told you that one of my computers like auto updated to some new operating system that's the computer that you and i actually you maybe didn't even hear that i didn't hear anything yeah no okay okay well that's good there was a it was actually perfectly

timed as you were saying something and then you pause there was like the kind of sms ding that i play sometimes but i i'm the only one who heard it because okay um it's only it's on a computer that has auto updated it means all of the settings have now gone back to like you know how you get everything kind of just like perfectly dialed in and you've got this alert turned off and that notification not happening etc this this computer has been returned to it's completely like out of the box state so i'm gonna spend the next two weeks being completely and totally flummoxed by random alert sounds and things like what just happened anyway according to word finder x andrew so if you think if you question the veracity of this story everyone is cheating at wordle and these are the most guilty states may i direct you to word finder x i mean do you think data compiler word finder x would ever lie to you or us i don't think so no i saw it on data compiler

word finder x so that's how it's true yeah according to this data compiler uh online

answer searches have increased 196 percent since the times acquired wordle oh so not cheating the

way i was suggesting by like solving it and then clearing your cookies and solving it again right they're just going to websites and getting the answers jesus they're just trying to figure out

what was today's wordle i think here's how they got and i don't really fully understand this maybe this will make more sense to you andrew um they discovered the trend by analyzing google trends data over the past three months to see how often wordlers looked up answers online per the research i guess the idea is the only reason you would google what's the answer to wordle is because you didn't get it because if you had gotten it you'd know the answer it'd be all green and there

it would be and even if you didn't get it though it would give you the answer at the end after

your sixth try oh i've never i've never struck out on six tries i didn't even know that was a think anyway i'll tell the sweet cream gang about this later word finder x found that in december before the times acquisition of wordle google search interest for the topic today's wordle registered a zero on a scale from zero to 100 however by february 14th that was now well after the times had acquired it that number had hit 100 so i find it interesting i don't think it could have been at zero this is actually to me this calls this research into question the most you're trying to tell me that when it was just a humble little game and the times didn't own it nobody

was trying to find the answer that doesn't seem right to me i'm kind of taking some people were trying to find the answer like what's today's you know what i'm realizing word finder is word finder x the dj from public enemy it's word finder x who's who's the dj from public enemy Why am I thinking of him? It's something X, right? Never mind.

Who is the D? Well, I mean, you have Flava Flav. He's not the DJ. He's Terminator X.

Terminator X, yes. Terminator X, probably. I'm pretty sure he's the DJ producer, yeah.

You got what? Chuck D, Flava Flav, and Terminator X? That's what I know of, yeah. Probably a couple of other PE folks that I don't really have the name recognition on.

Kind of a blind spot for me, yeah.

Um, so the most common searches, so the, the words that seem to hang people up the most were swill and aroma with, which both registered one hundreds. In other words, lots and lots of people were, were, were having a hard time with that. And that's why they were searching for what is the word I'll answer. According to Word Finder X The state that most frequently Cheated Do you have the story in front of your head?

I have it in front of me but I'm just reading Along with you so I actually don't know the answer to this Can I take a guess? Can I work it out a little bit Because I feel like I didn't extend this segment enough

Any other thoughts On sex work?

How far afield did I go on that one? I think it was worth it though I've been wanting to tell you about that. Anyway, I am trying to figure out if this is a state full of, like, smarty pants. Like, I think of, I don't know, like, some place where.

Or sketchy pants.

Or is it smarty pants or sketchy pants? That is the game we're playing right now. Or is it none of the above? I'm going to say the state is, I don't know why, Luke, I'm going to say the state is. No, that can't be right. Oh, come on. No, I'm going to say it's Massachusetts. I did that on purpose. Do you know how many? I only get three of these a day, and then I have to pay 99 cents every time I try to play.

You are not that far off. You're in the general part of the country, but it is, in fact, New Hampshire. Oh, New Hampshire. No kidding. Really? For whatever reason, the U.S. state that most frequently cheated was. new hampshire with the word swill i don't know though man i mean the methodology and all this is i don't know it's hard for me to wrap my head around this it doesn't make sense to me like why are you i remember aroma that was a tough one um and i think that did take me i think that was one that got me kind of sweating like i'm on my fifth try am i gonna get this but i don't understand like at what point you would look it up like are you just so frustrated you've done your fifth try and you don't want to get it wrong so on your sixth try before you type in your final one you just look it up like why don't you just put a bunch of letters in there oh maybe this is it maybe you can't maybe because there's only so many letters that are left you can't just put gobbledygook in there it won't accept things that aren't words i don't know but my point is like yeah but you can you can use letters that like that you know aren't in there so let's just say that like you chose a letter t early on and you now know that the letter t is not in this word which we now know is aroma you unless you're playing on difficult mode you can still use a t the game won't stop you from doing that if you just want to kind of use a t to suss out something else again so i don't understand who these people are who are like well i'm on my sixth try before i you know turn in my final word i'm going to look it up online like why would you even do that just

turn in your last word why are you playing well because you want to be able to share your results with the world and you don't want your results to be yeah you got it wrong five times you would like to or something even more sinister andrew they hadn't even started playing they just googled it before they even started so they could get it on one try maybe two tries if they're trying to be subtle and then post it on their hinge profile and then just wait for all of the sexual attraction

to come rolling in like should i start that's a five-letter word should i start with that today

maybe that's actually it wouldn't be bad well you know yeah you got we got two vowels yeah i and e that could work um now tying for second place in this extremely scientific i want you to know that i left out what i am doing here is i am leaving out the parts of this story in the new york post that make that make the hair on the back of my arms stand up because it makes me so uncomfortable to read it's just wordplay of the lowest order like they clearly wanted to punch this story up so uh at one point they said tying for second in the deceitful decathlon We're Vermont and Rhode Island Now deceitful decathlon That means you need to have something That's DECA if you want to do that You need to only pick the top five Or you need to somehow There needs to be a five needs to be a factor For this to have decathlon Associated with it Oh DECA is five not six Right isn't it I could be wrong about that Maybe it's six

I was thinking it was six Probably is

It needs to be whatever DECA refers to How many events in the... I don't know if there was five events in the decathlon.

I have a feeling that I'm going to be very wrong here. DECA denotes a factor of 10, actually.

What? Okay, well, even worse. You better have the top 10. Of course, because DECA, decade.

Yeah, right. Yes. I'm embarrassed. We're losing the last...

Listen, you were closer than I was.

This is why it's... Yeah, I was one closer.

But the decathlon doesn't have 10 events in it, does it?

Because sept is seven Octo is eight Do we really want to do this Hearing from people There's ten events in the decathlon What are the ten What are the

Hundred meter long jump Shot put high jump Four hundred meter Day two is One hundred and ten meter hurdles Discus Pole vault Javelin And fifteen hundred meters It's like every single Track event Which I only know about Because of the Dan versus Dave Dan O'Brien Versus Dave Cortez Right like media session that was i think nike was behind all of that dan versus dave that was why the decathlon was in my head but i swear to god i always just thought it was like five events

no that makes sense here's the thing though do you remember when we were hearing from dazzling donor lauren earlier today and she's talking about what a decade ago yeah uh means to her um i didn't want to jump in then and make it all about me because she was talking about some very deeply personal stuff but you know why that was good for me to hear because all i'm gonna do today is be mad at myself for conflating or confusing andy daly with john daly and going on a long tangent that had nothing to do with what you're talking about because i was thinking of the wrong person and thinking that deca meant six and like that's that's what i'm gonna carry around all day but i will try to remember lauren's note that says that's not what the listeners are carrying around all day that's not the point of the show it's okay to make mistakes and sometimes not not know on the fly that deca means 10. again you were closer than i was if this were prices right you would have gotten it one deca is one dollar anyway you're

right that writing is a little um that writing is a little specious it's very sad it's it's very very sad that knowing that knowing decade and knowing like there are so many things when you think about it now where deca clearly indicates 10 niss that for me to think this whole time if you would have said hey luke you woke me up out of a sleep how many events in the decathlon i'd be like five everybody knows that didn't you see dan versus dave totally wrong well they did it so fast it seemed like five but can we can we take our can we take the white hot laser of self-loathing and turn it off of ourselves and turn it on to this New York Post article that calls it the deceitful decathlon. Yeah. Because they did not... Let me see. Hold on. Count with me, Andrew. Do you think... Do you know how 50 works? By the way, I loved that tweet yesterday.

What was I talking about where I started saying, well, you know, it's 50. Oh, tweet numbers. I'm like, it's 50. You know, it's not 100 or 1,000, but it's more than 30. Thanks. Thanks for explaining what

50 means this is why i need you to help count along because i'm going to count the number of states that they mention in this article and if that number is 10 then they're allowed to use the term decathlon of deceit or deceitful decathlon if it's less than 10 they are also wrong and we need to focus our laser of self-loathing on them so they mentioned new hampshire okay that's the number one that was the top tying for second in the deceitful decathlon were vermont and rhode island so now we're at three um they apparently those states were searching around to try to figure out the word caulk which was an answer yes it was i saw somebody write never it was like a picture of some kind of caulking you know and they said you never hit an l harder than when you're in

home depot asking the dude where you find this i saw that i think i saw that too caulk yes you have

Okay, so remember, we're at three now. Now, meanwhile, Washington, D.C. was looking for the word tacit. We're going to call D.C. a state. They deserve statehood. So that's, are we at four now, Andrew? How close to 50? I got four.

We have 46 more.

Massachusetts, they were hung up on the word dodge. Did a lot of searching for the word dodge. And Maine, they were looking for tacit. They had problems. Ooh, I solved tacit. I was kind of proud of this. We were at Becca's mom's house, and Becca's nephew is an absolutely brilliant child named Alexander. I mean, a real off-the-charts smart kid, and he'd never played Wordle before. And so I was showing him how to play Wordle, and there were some other folks there who play it, including her her brother's girlfriend who's a real kind of like Genevieve level I think like sort of word person and so and she'd already solved it for the day and I'm sitting there and I'm you know a couple of white wines in and I'm trying to teach this kid the ways of word

and the word is tacit which was not easy no that's that is a tough one yeah see that's what I know we're still counting we're up to six now I just want to say but there's something weird that it is the hard words that people are looking up here that's why I don't think they're just looking up at the very beginning so that they can do it in two and post it to their hinge

profile but it also but that also actually gives some possible sort of veracity to yeah the fact

that these are the tough words it tracks with the hard words i remember aroma was very tough

uh-huh so i did get tacit though which again through the fog that was the same day i'd run that road race and then celebrated with some post-race wine and then just like sort of throughout the day was was sipping on some scissor up not really but you know like the fact that i got tacit in the in the ab you know in the clutch like when everyone was watching me try to teach this child about uh wordle i was proud of that okay so we're up to six the last one was main talking about tacit and then andrew uh i'm scanning the rest of the story there are no more states that are mentioned meaning what was the number where were we at

Six, yeah. So what is like Greek for six? Oh, gosh. I mean, is alpha one? Hex. It's hex. I knew that, of course, because it's a hex. Right, right, right. So stop sign has hexagonal. Hex, yeah.

Can we just do this once and for all? Are you at a website that will just list these, like what the Greek for these different? things is let me try to get here um i can probably get so alpha is probably one right alpha beta okay so alpha is one beta is two what's three how do you use the internet doesn't go that high

this it doesn't know they don't they did not recognize three sorry i'm looking here give me a

second here we go i do want to i do want to point out that the new york post made the exact same mistake you did andrew they called it a deceitful decathlon but they thought that number was six

they only got to six states yes oh no wait check the byline on this did i write this son of a god um i'm still having trouble why is it so hard just to find a straight

did you find it here i've got it here well okay oh no sorry i'm going greek oh gamma here it is

I got it. Gamma is three. Gamma Thalon would be three events.

Delta is four. I think we could actually make it in the Gamma Thalon, Andrew.

No, this is, you know what? I'm looking this wrong. I can't, we can't do this anymore, Luke. I'm making too many mistakes and too many mistakes. This is not the same thing. This has Kappa as 10. We're not talking Greek here. What are we talking about? Who am I? Who's Andy Daly?

Where does the word decathlon? on this is the worst from hold on i'm googling supposed how do i update my linkedin page i am going i'm gonna beat the ancient greek olympics okay come on i just think there's probably something different between ancient greek and modern day greek i was you know what the thing

is i was doing greek okay i accidentally found myself on a greek alphabet page instead of a greek greek numbers page so that that's on you the difference between alphabet and numbers is one even i that's i used to be hooked on phonics and now uh i just can't well i i went to shick shadle now anytime i have phonics i get sick they just want you to be normal and clearly you're not here is this we're looking for um i can't figure this out man i'm sorry this is that's all right

you know what let's boycott this olympics just we're boycotting spotify and the olympics for reasons that are not related to the fact that we're bad at it here i go once again with the

email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's not from a female

all right let's talk emails and v-mails have you ever sighed so hard that it makes you cough because that just happened to me my my microphone was muted there because i sighed so hard over my own stupidity at the end of that segment that it started to make me cough so anyway but like

just in fairness we are i was right there with you like this was this was the you and i holding hands thelman louise style just heading right over a cliff didn't they drive a car do they hold hands in the car i don't think they did i'm just this is our version of it don't you know what don't

cyber bully me about being wrong about the end of thelman no i don't know i i have never seen it i was just asking um hey i do have a little personal journey um that i've been on for

for decades now alpha beta gamma delta epsilon six is zeta oh okay so what are these called the greek alphabet the greek alphabet was used by johans beyer around the year 1600 to name the brighter stars the basic rule was to name them in order of brightness with the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's what I'm looking at. And I think this, I think we're, I think we're in the neighborhood now. Alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon, zeta. Eta is seven. Theta is eight. Nine is iota. Ten is kappa. Eleven is lambda.

That's where I got confused. I was looking at the Greek alphabet too. And then I was like, wait a second. No, no, no. The whole point of this is 10 is deca. So why is 10 not deca? I don't know. That's that one. I don't know. That's what, that's why I said before I was looking at the wrong thing. I was looking at the alphabet instead of the numbers.

But then the question is, how did decathlon get named decathlon? Because this is called the Greek alphabet. Oh, I see.

So you're saying, I just want to cry. Can we just do a cry? Can we call that? Do I still have the, I honestly want to do this right now. Can I do this? Can I call up the TBTL phone here and call that number that we called yesterday, the pep talk? Can we do this? I really need this right now. Are you in a huge hurry?

I have a bunch of it ready to go. Do you want me just to play it for you?

Here, no. I want to actually call it, and I think I should be able to do this right here, right now.

You're going to need to hit number one, because you're feeling mad, sad, and frustrated.

I really am. Okay, so that's number one. Okay, let's see if we can make this work. I'm going to feel frustrated if I can.

Hi, welcome to Pep Talk, a public art project by Wes. When you're feeling mad, you should take three deep breaths.

and think of things that make you happy. The thing that makes me happy is when I think of happy things that will happen in the future, like going to a friend's house or a cousin's house. Bye. If you're frustrated, you can always go to your bedroom, punch a pillow, or cry on it, and just go scream outside.

That sounds wonderful. That's the one for me, Luke. When we're done with the email segment, I'm going to go in my bedroom. I'm going to punch the pill. I'm going to scream into it, and then I'm going to go outside, okay?

I'm just taking three deep breaths.

I'm thinking about your cousin. I want to meet that cousin.

I'm thinking about the fact that I'm seeing texts from our friends saying that Russell Wilson has been traded to the Broncos.

Oh, my goodness gracious.

So that'll make everyone forget about our very, very sad descent into Greek terminology.

Yes, this is breaking news. Adam Schefter. Okay. All right, let's get through this email segment, and then we can all figure out what's going on with the world. I can't tell if this is the best or worst episode of TBTel we've ever done. I'm being quite honest about it. Okay, but here, if you'll allow it, go on this journey with me one, I think, Luke, one last time, but I'm going to reset everything. We were talking about the song Rosanna earlier, I think maybe last week on TBTL. It is a song that sometimes becomes an earworm for me. It's by Toto, and they sing, Rosanna, Rosanna. I'm not the best singer in the world, but that's what you're going to get from me. Now, when that song, which I sometimes accidentally call Susanna, which is a problem right there, but when that becomes an earworm for me, I find my brain slipping into a different song or what possibly might be a made-up song because I'll sing Rosanna, Rosanna, as I just did. And then I'll start singing, take me all the way, going to Disneyland. Whee! And it wasn't until we started talking about this out loud that I realized this is something that has been broken in my head. These are like broken synapses that has been that earworm, that mistaken earworm. Because there's never a point in the song, Rosanna, where they say, take me all the way, we, going to Disneyland, we. That does not exist in that song. For a second, we thought it might have been that Dada song. Not Dada, the art movement, but Dada, the band from the 90s, which was also about Dada is Greek for nine. That's Latin. Anyway, so maybe Latin is what we were thinking.

I don't think so.

But I do think we'll be hearing from our Latin correspondent. I'm quite sure about that. Maybe maybe just breaking up with us, honestly, or begging Jen to come back. Anyway, so I don't know why I have this weird broken earworm where I start singing Rosanna, and then I start saying, take me all the way, going to Disneyland Wii. None of that makes any sense. But I did get an email from somebody who is sorting this out for me. And even though, well, here, I think I actually, I think Anna left not, is this aptly or ironically, Anna, not Rose Anna, but Anna thinks she figured this out for me. Let's go to the tape here.

Hi, Luke and Andrew. I don't know if you ever wrapped up the living in Disneyland. Whee! I know what that was. I don't know that you completed it because then you went into Dishwalla and Marcy Playgrounds. But it was one of those where I'm screaming at the phone. So I thought I'd just clear it up. And, yes, I understand when the mind morphs from one song into another. Mine does that with a lot. Can't think of examples right now. The song with Living in Disneyland was by Sly Fox. It was called Let's Go All the Way, and the part you're thinking of is California Dreamers. Sinking in the sand. Hollywood squares are living in Disneyland. Whee! Oh, let's go all the way. Let's go all the way. Let's go all the way. That's where you got the Let's Go All The Way into living in Disneyland.

Anyway, that's all.

This was Anna. Bye.

Anna is like, I mean, I cannot believe that this has been broken in my head for so long. I don't actually even, I don't know if I remembered explicitly that song, Let's Go All The Way. You clearly do, Luke. But here's the deal. So I'm going to play little clips here that I've isolated out. And hopefully this episode, hopefully you will be listening to this episode on Spotify at some point. And then we haven't been pulled down. But this is the part of Rosanna where they don't say, let's go all the way. But the words they're singing in Rosanna is meet you all the way, which I don't even know what that means. Meet you all the way. It doesn't seem like a great lyric to me. But let's take a listen to this. This is from the song Rosanna by Tony.

Me too all the way Me too all the way

So somehow I start singing that as Take Me All The Way or something Living in Disneyland We And it turns out because at some point Probably as a child I heard this song that Anna was just singing On the voicemail line by Sly Fox

Oh yeah, I forgot about the we part of that

They actually say we, now I was singing it wrong in my head But this is, I mean It's definitely where it came from this just jangled jumbled like mess in my head that never made any sense listener Anna calls in because I'm vulnerable on the show and I sing to you this broken song that isn't a song and somebody actually was able to like fix all the wiring I cannot believe it like this was seriously I am I am flabbergasted you just hit my flabbergast busted button um busted uh

I have always loathed that song by Sly Fox. First of all, just, I mean, you know me, Andrew. Just listen to the tone of it. It's just grimy and kind of dark. And it's also the song that knocked Rock Me Amadeus by Falco off of the Top 10 at 10. Oh, wow. When I was a kid. Now, I loved the song Rock Me Amadeus by Falco. Yeah, me too. That was good. And I would listen to, I'm pretty sure it was on K-Hit. I would listen to the Top 10 at 10 with Chep Buchanan and it really mattered to me what the number one song was like I had a lot invested in it somehow it felt like if the song I liked was the number one song you know I don't know why that mattered to me so much but the fact that Rock Me Amadeus was like the number one song on the Top 10 at 10 by the way this is not even a thing that exists anymore right? I mean maybe on Sunday mornings there's still some kind of Shadow Stevens or re-racked Casey Kasem. But the idea of a music countdown is, like, so antiquated now. But it was such a big deal in our childhood.

Yeah, I don't know enough about it. I mean, is there a chance that it is still on the radio? I mean, the only versions I knew were, like, the Dick Clark stuff, you know? I mean, that's going way back.

I just remember it being, and who knows? I mean, you want to talk about something that's probably less reliable than WordFinder X? As far as predictive, like who knows what K hit or K plus or I don't think it would star 101.5 yet, but who knows like how they were deciding, you know, what the what the number one song is. But I get I would just be like I would be hanging. I've been absolutely hanging by a thread, you know, hoping God, let it please let it be Rock Me Amadeus by Falco. please let and then one day after weeks and weeks and weeks of that being the number one song on the top 10 at 10 it was displaced by sly fox let's go all the way a song that i actively hate it i love that you remember that so well dude it was like it was a big deal in like when i was in fourth grade or whatever like i was so upset by that and it and again not only that but i just didn't like the song um but then the fact that it had knocked my favorite song off the top off the number one spot uh was very was it was a troubling to me uh can i play one more voicemail for you

here it's a shorty but it's also music related and this is kind of related to your memory of a song uh that you got somewhat right but somewhat wrong in singing it the other day hey luke and andrew

Ben Quick here, Colin. In talk of happy birthday songs, you guys mentioned the Red Robin birthday song. I worked at Red Robin for a short time, and Luke had it a little right, but I think I remember most of it, so here goes.

Happy, happy birthday on this year's special day. Happy, happy birthday, that's why we're here to say, hey, happy, happy birthday from all of us to you. We wish it was our birthday so we could party, too. Love the show, guys.

There you go. So I can't remember exactly how you sang it, Luke, but according to Ben, it needed a little bit of fine-tuning there.

Yeah, well, I didn't know the middle part. I just know that it was fast. There was clapping. Happy, happy birthday. Something, something, something. Happy, happy birthday. I just remember the general rhythm. I've also told this story many times, but I just have this, I have a memory of being in a Red Robin, again, very likely with Addie, And it was just the.

was packed it was like a busy saturday or something and just where we were sitting i just so happened to have a vantage point into the kitchen and i just remember you know these these harried red robin employees who were just trying to get the food out and get the orders in and just you know get it all done but you have to go sing happy birthday this summer which is the last thing you want to do when you're in the weeds yes and i remember just seeing the look on the face of a server who was just like very stressed out very like focused on getting their job done and like basically when they were still in the kitchen as they were walking towards it was almost like they were entering a stage right their face was just like their face was just like had all the look of stress and anxiety and just kind of like ah and then as they came around the corner out of the kitchen it brightened up into happy happy birthday that little moment has always stuck

with me do you know i was an understudy at red robin for a while i was just like if one of the servers went down then i was going to perform the happy birthday song um but unfortunately i never

really got my big break hmm you know um i wouldn't give up on that dream andrew a quick little we

should wrap up here because i think uh we have we have some nfl reporting to do obviously um but a little a little detail from the newsletter that went out this last week it was a pretty bad newsletter i'm not gonna lie to you every you know so like don't don't worry about it if you didn't see it um but i just went on a little bit of a weebles uh meditation a meditation on the old toy the weebles which wobble if you've heard but they don't fall down and i found an old 70s commercial on youtube about weebles and it had a little kid in it all right a little kid who's maybe seven years old or something like that uh long-haired kid and then the first comment or like the top rated comment underneath it was from the adult who was the kid in that commercial sorry i'm not saying this very clearly it was the comment was from the actor in that commercial but he's an adult now and he told this story supposedly if you were to believe the internet he's saying that's me in this commercial and i almost walked out because the director said my hair was too long and wanted to use bobby pins in my hair to hide some of it and i was embarrassed to have bobby pins in my hair and i almost walked out and had my understudy do it but they talked me into just using the bobby pins and it's true you can't see them and i was just like wow this kid in this weebles commercial had an understudy that's what i was gonna say that's what i that's what i was said in the newsletter like i mean let's just meditate on that for a little bit there is no way the understudy but i mean if you're shooting a commercial like a national commercial for a big toy chain or whatever and you have everything set up but if your main kid gets a cold the day of the

shoot is there a chance that you have another kid on standby i wonder yeah i wonder if that has to do with with a commercial starring kids versus adults because i've you know i've been in some commercials and i've never had an understudy but you never know a seven-year-old could show up and they could just feel even though they did great in the audition they could be they could be totally like overwhelmed by the cameras you just never know what could happen to a young person and so maybe that's just industry standard is to have someone else who can jump in in case the first

kid is just overwhelmed by everything yes by the way you know that it's time to end the show because i'm now getting messages from john our american public media fundraiser liaison uh who is now concerned for us regarding the russell wilson situation so as i just said is shaking everyone

right now as i just andrew as i just put in our group text because yes i'm multitasking We better get Blucifer. This is a trade with Denver. If we don't get Blucifer, this is a bad deal for us. We better get the anatomically correct giant blue horse by the airport.

I want to be talking about Blucifer quake this time next year.

Think about how hard it would be to bring Blucifer down in the open field.

That's what I'm saying. I mean, you've got to tackle him low. You have to get really low on him.

The knees, yeah. Well, I would just like to say to the Tenvers, that just set this whole thing back about five years. That just set this whole thing back about a decathlon, about a decathlon of us coming to Denver. I do not. I am seeing. I'm seeing chatter that basically we traded him straight up for Drew Locke and some picks. I don't even know. We may have to do a special no point on this, Andrew.

Maybe tomorrow. like i'm just processing it now so i need to figure this out i uh yeah i need to go lie down yeah i was hoping for clipboard jesus is he still in the mix charlie whitehurst charlie

whitehurst yeah charlie whitehurst yeah i don't i mean i mean like this is what i also just texted our friends and i'll say it now i'll probably repeat it if we

do a special no point tomorrow i have to remind myself that most years the team that wins the super bowl doesn't have russell wilson yes you know what i mean because there's this tendency because he is so exceptional and his stats are generally speaking so impressive and he does such he does such great things on the field that it's it's easy to feel like he's the only way that we can have success as a football team but of course there are lots of other teams that have had great success over the last years and they don't have him so it's like it's not the case that he's the old like I'm so codependent with him as an idea but he has a high ceiling I mean

well now we're just doing it but I don't know anything about Drew Locke like I don't have I

seen Drew Locke play a game I don't know Drew Locke is I mean our folks who are Broncos fans will be able to tell us but I don't know very much about Drew Locke I do I did not hear much about him uh in his first i don't know maybe two seasons or something i mean he's a young quarterback i don't get the sense that there was he's you know there was not a long line of people that i'm aware of who are really trying to get onto the drew lock train he's no um you know patrick mahomes or something like this he was not i don't think i don't have a sense he's an exceptional quarterback so my thought would be the only logic behind this is one they just think that russell wilson's best most sort of like um effective days are kind of behind him or coming to a close and they want to try to get as much as they can for him while he is still a very valuable thing because if they send him out next season and he has a bad season due to health things or just aging then there's less value so they're thinking okay what's the maximum we can get for russell wilson and it's probably this certainly this season or going into this season but i mean who knows i mean it's like you have to get so much better at so many other positions if you're now going to just have a supremely average quarterback yeah we saw this with gino smith sorry we're just doing it now but like if you if you are going to trade away a once in a generation quarterback you better become vastly better at almost every other position on the

football field yeah you know i'm just remembering something you know i still do my thing where when i'm done with the show when i'm done recording tbtl uh and then i'm transferring the file which takes about five minutes from my device onto my computer i walk out into the kitchen i play wordle and i turn on the radio that's above the sink let's be honest you cheat at wordle exactly i look up what the wordle answers and i pretend i don't know it um but i i honestly this is my little routine i look forward to it so much it's my like my decompression after the show i open up my wordle i turn on the am radio sports radio is on and i sort of half listen to it and i wonder if what i heard yesterday was maybe there were some maybe these rumors were floating and i didn't know it because the conversation that i happened to walk in on and i don't even know who was talking um but they were talking about the fact that the seahawks have a tendency or they've hurt themselves in the past by hanging on to players for a season or two too long past their ultimate trade value or or when they would have had a better trade value I should say maybe not ultimate trade value and they use like Richard Sherman as an example of that and I can't remember who else and so I wonder if that conversation was actually in relation to rumors about this because I mean here's the thing there is an argument there like whatever is going on with Russell wilson and the seahawks it hasn't been working the past few years and he's still a valuable trade asset but i don't know talking to you here on the show right now what we're getting in return but it sounds like maybe it's a good deal but it definitely means or most likely means for the seahawks that this is a kind of rebuild again right it's a rebuild and so it really just kind of takes the air out of the balloon for you know fandom for a little bit that part sucks and also

like okay great i mean first of all if we're getting draft picks cool cool those are draft picks we lost getting jamal adams yeah right we traded away everything we were like freaking going jacob and esau on it just because today's a highly biblical show we traded away our birth right for some soup um and now we have to try to get that back by what so we're basically so what it was was we ended up trading russell wilson for jamal adams is that what effectively happened here so the other thing about getting picks is the Seahawks don't have a super great track record with their picks other than Russell Wilson like uh I'd point you towards Malik McDowell I point you towards LJ Collier there's just a long list of high draft picks that Schneider and Pete Carroll have gone in on that really haven't worked out that great so if if what we're getting in exchange

weird though by the time he finally hit the field for the Browns he was That's it.

actually pretty good last season but then of course he had that off-field incident a few weeks ago right but yeah i mean that that weird thing with the atv i don't even know how you categorize that as a bad pick was that well it's that's that's bad luck i mean i guess what you

would say is you got to do your homework on what someone's off-field sort of situation is do we think russell wilson would ever be driving an atv um you know before his rookie season and doing you know i don't know the circumstances of that but again maybe that's something that's just a total force majeure you can't account for that but i guess my point is it's not like i don't feel like you give john schneider and pete carroll you know three high draft picks and that that equals three generational players that's the problem is like and those if they are those generational players they're going to need a few seasons to become generational players and there are a lot i mean you look at teams like the jets or teams that just are in the wilderness they always have a lot of first picks it never makes them better you know like there are teams that are perpetually drafting high because they perpetually have a losing record and so much of the time those like again the giants not to know i'm just focusing on new york but the jets and the giants and the what are they called the commanders oh yeah giants and commanders have all been drafting like all of the first picks have always been those teams for the last 10 seasons none of them are

that good and yeah and the browns were doing some interesting stuff with some totally with some you know trades and of course they were so bad for so long that they had they had uh decent picks as well and they almost turned it into something and then last year one thing i was going to say though speaking of the brown sorry it's just kind of my my uh reference point i guess do you think that drew lock will actually actually ever you know play a snap as a seahawk because this was over my head but remember it was brock osweiler right who was like brought into the browns and just like kind of used as like sort of a also was a denver bronco by the way oh that's right i was thinking texas but you know remember he was like technically on the browns roster in the offseason i don't know if that makes sense can you have a roster in the offseason either way they brought him in but it was always known that he was never at he was just like part of this trade deal that He was then going to be shuffled off somewhere else. He was never going to wear a Browns uniform, and I don't believe he did, right? I don't think he ever did. So I'm wondering if there could be something like that going on with Drew Locke or if we will see a season of Drew Locke, like, you know, playing at a sea.

I just don't know anything about him, except for the fact that I don't know anything about him is a bad sign, at least as far as his kind of like, again, he didn't he didn't seem to break out and he's not you know he's not somebody who you were just hearing about oh man denver's really got something out there with drew lock so let's just say he's a semi-capable quarterback who can not lose the game for you well again teams you know teams teams can win with that with that sort of approach if they have like derrick henry as their running back and a really smothering defense like you can do that but i don't like unless you're telling us that we got like unless denver traded russell wilson for like their four best players which by the way i couldn't name for you which is a bad sign denver also traded away von miller to la towards the end of the season which felt like denver kind of giving up on last season because he was he's an extremely good defensive player like i don't know man i need to go i need to go lie down for a while and possibly take strong drink i need to call that i need to call that um that pep talk line again all right we're gonna process this i love people are tweeting this at us right now the like the news that this happened but i want to like tweet back believe me yeah

we're on it but yeah all right you can stall a little bit here you know i saw a tweet earlier today saying that spotify our old friend spotify is having some sort of issues today and i just went to play um our outro music and i can't access spotify so give me a second play it i'll just sing

it. Running out of breath. That is the perfect way to end today's show. You singing that over

this music that is just sublime I that's perfect no no this is Doug I knew it I saw that coming dude

all right I'm sorry I'm really really sorry about today everyone just I felt like

I had really high hopes for today's show. I was like, woke up feeling good. I'm feeling energized. We had good topics. Anyway. I'll take, I'll shoulder a lot of that. I'll shoulder a lot of that. We'll see you tomorrow, everyone. Until then, stay safe. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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