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i like it each second so rife with information go on please all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live the vibes will be the illest and the jams not ridiculous my name is burbank i'm your host hello everyone coming to you from the hollywood broadcast center right here in portland or again where i am well just back i mean like as in in the last seven eight hours just back from los angeles and very happy to be here even though i had a very holly woo moment in la this week and i had a run-in with sarah silverman i don't want to say run-in sarah silverman did nothing in this situation i was run into sarah silverman by some circumstances that Maybe we can talk about it. I'm happy to be back here in Portland because, of course, yesterday we sprang forward. And let's hear it. Sun is going to be setting after 7 p.m. today on this Monday.

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That is really putting some wind in my sails. We're going to fill your sails with a bunch of wind. Sounds weird when you structure it that way. We've got a great show here on episode 6339 in a collector series.

Let the fun begin.

Big news yesterday from one Thomas Brady III. And when he said that, that shocked me. I don't actually think he's the third. Is he Thomas Brady? I mean, that's some guess. Or Tom Lith Brady. Maybe he's Tom Lith Brady. But they just shortened it to Tom because it's easier. Anyway, Tom Brady, of course, dropping an announcement yesterday that he is un-retiring. You've got to be kidding me. After, what was he retired for, like four weeks? What happened in that four weeks? Did he start eating nightshades again? Did he start eating tomatoes? And it just, I don't know, gave him some kind of a moment of clarity. We'll talk about that. Maybe Pat Sajak should retire from being rude to the Wheel of Fortune contestant. Oh, rude! We had some tape we were going to play on Friday. We'll play it today of him just being unnecessarily mean, it would seem, over something. Plus, we've got emails and V-mails. We've got a two-parter in the V-mail department. A story told in two acts. So we'll get to that, too. Plus, we'll talk to this guy, the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. I give him a hearty.

I'll say, what's up, dog?

On this Monday morning, he's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. Your meditation there on whether or not Tom Brady's first name is Thomas reminds me of something I did when I was, I don't know, maybe 16 years old, possibly. I was working for my father's company. There was an older guy who worked in the shop. He'd been there for decades, a British guy, an expat, a British expat named Will Houghton. And he was a bit of a chop buster. Bust my chops when I was out in the shop, like separating metal. I think I told you this story before. I would separate stainless steel apart from galvanized steel, apart from regular steel. Exactly. Then the stainable steel, that would go in a naughty bin. Then the dishwasher safe steel, and then the dry clean only steel. Exactly. And sometimes I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a piece of stainless steel scrap and regular steel. Will Houghton. This is all just for context. I'm just getting wrapped up. I'm sorry, ramped up. You wish I was getting wrapped up. But I remember sometimes going. up to will haughton and saying i don't know if this is like stainless steel or regular steel and he would make a big production of smelling it and then throwing it in the proper bin sometimes leading me to believe temporarily as a somewhat uh well flabbergasted gullible kid like can he really smell the difference between these steel these pieces of steel um of course he could not that was the type of person he was all of that was just context yes but wait wait wait are

Are you sure he couldn't? Because some, I've noticed that sometimes certain kind of metals, depending on what their treatment has been, you know, and what their use is. I mean, there are certain kinds of like galvanized stuff that seems to have some thin layer of lubricant on it for whatever bizarre reason. Like, are you 100% sure that he was just goofing you and he wasn't actually, you couldn't smell the difference? Yeah, this was a bit.

Yeah, this was definitely a bit. We laughed about it. We talked about it. It was an ongoing thing. Anyway, that's Will Houghton. I mean, that's just classic Will Houghton right there. That's all you need to know about Will Houghton. But one day I was working in the office, not the shop. I don't know if you'd call that an upgrade or not. But for some reason, I was filling up for the office manager. And I was literally with a typewriter typing out the time cards. This was from an era and an industry where you had a time clock and these beige cards that the guys would actually take out of their little slot and punch in and punch out. every day and somebody had to write their name and probably employee number or something on the top of them and when it got to will haughton's card for some reason that i still don't know why maybe i just felt like right maybe i was getting paid by the letter i wrote william haughton this is such a bad story this is going nowhere slowly um anyway i wrote william haughton on the top of the card i didn't really i don't think i thought too much of it maybe i was being playful maybe i was Maybe this was my equivalent of pretending I could smell steel. Jet fuel can't smell steel. I don't know if you know that. Anyway, later that day, Mr. Houghton comes in. I called him Mr. Houghton. He's very dry, very droll. He just kind of stands over me and he points at the card. He says, what does this say? I said, William. He says, that is not my name. I thought he was joking again. His name was Wilfred Luke Burbank. His name was Wilfred Houghton. Everybody can Google him. I doubt he's got much of them. Oh, yes, right. Exactly. Wilford Brimley. There is precedent.

You're right.

That's my story.

Thomas Edward Brady Patrick Jr.

Jesus.

So I wasn't that far off. Why so many names? Because, I mean, the unbearable whiteness of being. You look at this guy's mug. Yeah. And he's just, let's just talk about Tom Brady here, and I can do the other stuff later because we're on the topic now. I mean, Tom Brady seems like a nice enough fellow. I honestly don't think he's a bad person at all. But there's something about looking at his smiling face on the Internet next to his full name, which is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady, Jr., period. And thinking about the fact that he has, I believe, five Super Bowls, maybe three Super Bowl MVPs. In other words, of the times he's won the Super Bowl, three of those times, they were like, you're the best person who did this this day. You did the best part of the best thing that can happen to your football team. And after all of that After 22 seasons I think or whatever it is He's I find it just fascinating that he thinks He has unfinished business

There's still more story To be told you know it's interesting that you Said that if we're just really going for this Now yeah let's just talk about it

I'm not going to get too football-y on it I'm interested in the human journey of Thomas Edward Patrick Brady comma junior period

I didn't read deeply into the story I just saw the headlines as they were breaking and popping up all over my phone yesterday but you just said something um that i'd like to remark upon because i'm basically the same as you when it comes to tom brady i don't have tons of sports hate for him though i i've used up all of my sports hate on other people like like aaron rogers sucks up so much of my sports hate like it's just like and and i have it placed on various other players and organizations around the league that when it comes to tom brady i'm like yeah the guy's he's he's good of football you know like i i don't know maybe i disliked him more when he was like with the patriots but this sort of like kind of coda on his career with tampa the maga hat in his locker

was not yeah which did not make me happy but i also don't think he was really like a hardcore trump dude i think he just kind of like had associated with trump at some point and did

wasn't reading the fine print yet exactly that's the thing like people will say that and maybe even come at me but it's like well well come at me do i talk like that now um it's just like there was A rumor that somebody saw A red Trump had in his locker And maybe it's true Well I saw it Oh there's a photo There's photographic evidence

My mom would say I sold it Yeah it was There's a photo of it Oh okay But still though like I just can't I can't hang everything on that one little bit like was he out there was he you know whatever there are egregious things you could do but having that hat in your locker to me does not like it just didn't sway me that much maybe I'm a terrible person whatever but basically I'm like you I don't have that much sports hate for this guy but I am wondering if this will change it like when he won the his last Super Bowl like I wasn't rooting that hard against him last year even though i know he didn't make it to the super bowl but and there was like him you know he really humanized himself in the press by getting a little tipsy and that was a bardi trophy around everybody loved him like i was the only thing that made me really like him

was being really drunk in miami i was like god damn it now you're being relatable now you're

now you're playing in a space that i can identify with but now that he's now that he's unretiring i I was like, oh, that's the hardest eye roll I've given him in several years. I'm like, oh, come on, man. Now I think I will actively root against him. I was not actively rooting against him except for in my own football interests last year, if that makes sense.

Now, what do you think the journey was for him? Clearly, he – well, actually, maybe it's not clear. He, as of however many weeks ago When he retired He had decided Probably in talking to his family And everyone else He had decided, okay, I'm done I'm not going to play football anymore And then over the course of a few weeks He decided, no, I actually do want to play football What do you think changed for him?

I just googled, why Tom Brady? And I'm just I'm trying to answer that now I don't know Like, he doesn't seem as much of, like, he doesn't, I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to regret this or if this, if I can't stand on this, you tell me, but he doesn't seem like somebody who's necessarily trying to grab the spotlight all the time. Like, I can think of other players who do that, Aaron Rodgers, who will, like, kind of stir up drama. Russell Wilson to a degree. To a degree. And, like, yes, Tom Brady, the lights are on him all the time because he's Tom Brady and because he's so good at the sport. But I didn't ever get the impression that he was out there, like, trying to generate extra drama or headlines. I could be wrong about that.

He's not LeBron James doing the announcement on ESPN. Right, exactly.

That's not the vibe I got from him. So I'm not answering your question. I'm just adding more befuddlement to it. Like, I don't know. You think he needs money? Yeah. I think he needs money. I think he really doesn't like his family. No, that's what I have to say.

Becca texted me over the like late last week I think she just texted me a name that I I'd never seen just like letters that I had not seen as a human person's name I was like what is that she goes this is Elon Musk and Grimes new child I was like no no they broke up they they have they have a different child with a different unusual name she goes no this is the second one and I was like do you think Elon Musk is going to be able to pay for like two private school education like so we know here's the thing with tom brady what we could do though maybe the way to talk about this is to eliminate like get rid of the things we know are not factors okay he does not need money money yeah um he's not contractually obligated in some way like you know i mean he had retired he was he's allowed to walk away from the sport if he wants to um he has i i don't think is that he needs to win another super bowl because he's won five super bowls i the only thing i can think of it being is that in his mind he has written the story which is that he wins the super bowl and retires and he did not get to the super bowl last year yeah i can and so so really what he should have done he missed his window he should have retired after he won the super bowl in tampa although that was were there people at that one oh maybe there were some good question you're right that was that weird no fans season so he wins it but and i'm sure it felt great to him but it was you know kind of there was i don't want to say an asterisk it's just like a different season you know um so i think what it is is that he has this picture in his mind of this moment of winning the super bowl and then just like going out as on top what he wants to do in the Super Bowl is do what I used to do in my backyard when I was a kid, which is throw passes to myself. So I would stand in one corner of our teeny tiny little back rental house yard in Seattle, and I would kind of toss the football, but in such a way that it had a real slow arc to it, and then I would run down to where the football was, and then I would catch it. I would often do this while listening to football games. Tom Brady wants to do that, and he wants to throw a pass to himself in the Super Bowl to score the winning touchdown as the clock expires. that's or whatever the most like and it's funny because i in my own very very very very very diminished way have some of these thoughts as well like i talk about them as being sort of my postcard moments or my snapshot moments i sort of imagine something happening just so and if it does then i'm gonna feel like it's enough i'm enough and i can't help but think that what this has to be for tom brady is he wants that confetti coming down he wants to have been the very best of the thing one more time and then he

can walk away i could see that it's just how he ended up how he ended up at this decision four weeks after retiring i mean him retiring from the nfl is one of the biggest retirements right he is literally the greatest of all time at that sport or certainly at that position at that sport so is there any kind of a is there like an acronym or uh i feel like saying greatest of all time is

just it's it's cumbersome there's got to be a way to abbreviate that or somehow g-o-a-t i guess but

who would say that and it doesn't spell anything or gap maybe greatest all time yeah okay yeah you're right i'm sorry he's gat yeah he is the gat we got to give it to him the guy is the guy he's the gat i mean what can you do so anyway yeah i mean like i just don't get it like it reminds me of um like i well i quit the football team in was that ninth grade i quit the football team but then the coach was like this is kind of disappointing you should really come back and then

i i did come back and it was just i didn't know this so you basically had a tom brady moment

they did yeah they called it actually they're calling his moment the andrew walsh moment which i think i don't know why you're laughing um yeah no it was like the complete opposite of this i was just i was just i was just you know i wasn't good out there i don't want to turn this into a sad sack story but it was a very very sad sack story it was well i'm i'm sorry that i am really

i'm being very serious here my friend i am sorry that that happened to you and that's how it felt to you because that would be really i can imagine that would just be a really bad feeling is there any part of it though that with the coach wanting you to play like that didn't feel because if you were extremely bad and you were like i quit the coach would be like well whatever no skin off my back right yeah i would feel maybe like the coach saying hey this is disappointing to me would indicate that he wanted you to be part of the team in some way which is yeah that's i mean that it

was very compelling like here here's what i remember about the sad sack story so i believe this was ninth grade football because i think i played it in seventh didn't in eighth because i I went back to a different school that didn't have it. And then in ninth grade, I played freshman football. It was awful. I didn't have a number or a position, really. I was just, you know, the height of kind of bullying-ness. I don't know if it was the height of. But, you know, new school, not very popular, around a bunch of, you know, macho men. Macho, well, macho boys. Macho, macho boys. They made a calendar. The macho boys of Walsh Chesney. A lot of buff babies. Yeah, a lot of buff babies. You know what? That calendar ended up getting pulled. I don't remember exactly why. He's goosed. Were a lot of them goosed? Anyway, it was really terrible, and I didn't like the scene, and I didn't like the way I was being treated, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I quit the team, and then, yeah, I remember the coach. I can't remember how he called me into his office, which I had never been in before. He was also a teacher of something, but his office was in one of those.

I'm guessing P.E.

No, it wasn't. But he had an office that was in the, what do you call it, like an extension area. Like they set up a couple of those like portables, yeah, in like the parking lot. I remember walking up the ramp to that place. It was the only time I was ever in one of those portables. I can so visualize that. Yes, that off balance. You don't know if you're walking onto a boat or into a meeting with the football coach. And, yeah, he did have a heart-to-heart with me, which did mean a lot. He's just saying, listen, I think you got it in you. Like whatever he said was flattering. and the fact that he even noticed me was flattering, right? Maybe it makes his numbers look bad if people quit. So I was like, okay, you know what? Fine, I'll go back. And then I went back and it was just worse. Like the way the other students and the football player, because then I'm like, I'm the guy who quit because he couldn't take the heat. Notice me, senpai. Notice me. Then he comes back and then it was just, it was so much worse. I was so, my point is I was so mad at myself for not sticking with my guns and just quitting. I'm serious.

You were so mad that you didn't have the will to quit?

I was out, and I was just like, I can't even, I'm bad at quitting. I remember saying that to somebody, I don't know if it was my parents. I was like, I failed at quitting. Like, can you get any worse at life than this? It was terrible.

Can we call Religion of Sports? See if Steve Nelson can hook us up. Your podcast, right next to the Tom Brady podcast, which is probably called Excel Forever. Yours could be called The Will to Quit.

The Will to Quit, exactly. All of that is to say it was a bad feeling quitting and then coming back. Now, there are some differences between Tom Brady's story and mine. If you examine the stories very closely under a microscope. Minor, minor discrepancies. Minor discrepancies. But I don't know. Just that feeling of like kind of making a big decision. decision that is you know that is a hard decision to make and then to do it in his case so publicly and then to go back on it it seems odd to me you must be right it must be this moment and maybe he took four weeks and dwelled on it i will say this though he specifically said when he was retiring that he wanted to spend more time with his wife and kids it's people think about it if you're not 100 in don't say that because it doesn't it's not a good look if you go back on that right i want to

spend more time with my wife and kids but by which i mean 3.4 weeks right and then i'm out probably enough i think what happened in a way to me this bizarrely enough i mean i saw the dan oshaughnessy writing for the globe was like this is just tom brady being annoying of course there's a contingent in the greater new england area that's just going to be frustrated by tom brady you know forever because he kind of left uh their team and went to tampa and then won another Super Bowl but this on some weird level sort of humanizes Tom Brady to me along with the drinking in Miami because I think what happened was his body was probably pretty beat up they played you know they ended the season I forget how exactly Tampa season ended but like you know he obviously didn't make it to the Super Bowl and he was just kind of like you know what I've this is all the gas I have in this engine I'm gonna just you know I'm gonna meditate on this I'm gonna eat a little bit of avocado ice cream and then i'm going to uh you know i'm going to announce to the world that i'm done with this football thing and then a month went by and now the rhythm of football life this is well let's see what month are we in i mean i guess this is just the absolute this is this is the doldrums i guess my theory doesn't hold here's what i was thinking he had some time off and we were getting to a point where football stuff was about to start happening again like meetings and film and the things that have structured tom brady's life for the last 22 years as a professional and four years before that as a collegiate at michigan and just depending on how hardcore they were in san mateo maybe the four years of him playing high school football there is a rhythm to your life when you're a high level football player an nfl level player where there's all these there's meetings there's workouts there's this it's like a whole schedule that is like an exoskeleton on your life and that exoskeleton was taken off that scaffolding if you will was taken off and it was nice for a few weeks to just have nowhere to be and nothing to do but now as he misses that scaffolding and he realizes that that he probably doesn't really know how to

be in the world without it you know that i yeah and i i see that with people who retire from all kinds of jobs in fact i was very concerned about my dad when he retired and now it's it's closer

to 10 years now I think if it's not 10. Ironically your dad could actually build scaffolding if he

needed. Yes he could. He could actually fabricate it. But you know actually for what it's worth my dad's loving retirement but I say that to him quite a bit I'm like I am just so happy with how happy you are at retirement because my dad was such a hard worker his whole life and his schedule was so kind of severe he would wake up at like 4 30 be on the road by 5 drive into work be the first one there get a bunch of work done come home late at night like his life really revolved around work quite a big chunk of it did I don't want to make him sound like he wasn't there for the rest of us but he worked his ass off and so I figured man retirement is not going to stick with this guy but it did and I'm I'm happy for him and he's lucky that it did but I think a lot of people when you lose that that structure like you said you're kind of at your at your wit's end and you make a good argument too because I was thinking like this would make so much more sense if it was the middle of the football season. He's looking around at his former colleagues. That's what football players call each other, right? My former colleague, the wide receiver. You know, looking around and being like, I missed this game. But you're right. I mean, there's still stuff that goes on in the offseason. He just misses being at the, like I say, eggplant-free weight gym. I don't know what he's missing right now, but he's missing something.

Are eggplants a nightshade as well?

I think so. Okay.

yeah i think even tom brady if you think about certainly if if i were to it's like weird on my brain on one side intellectually i understand that fame and money and having a wildly attractive spouse and perfect children and being the gat i think that i was the splat by the way the the saddest of all time the soap um i know like we we all understand on an intellectual level that that does not bring happiness by itself there are people that can have stuff like that and they can be happy because their inner life is sort of okay but it is not by itself going to make someone happy because there it's we as humans have an unfillable hole that it's less fillable for some of us than others and i'm not saying Tom Brady is like a wreck or something but it's just interesting to me that this is a guy who's 44 years old he's got a really long and really happy and really well compensated beautiful life ahead of him and yet something inside of him was like yeah it's not enough it's not making me happy it's gonna make me happier to go run wind sprints and study you know cover zero footage or whatever like that's the only defensive thing i can think of i'm sorry only because the seahawks played it a lot and i would hear steve rabel yell it cover zero just means you're basically like you're you're blitzing people right and so you've got single coverage going on well then why isn't it called cover single remember when i said this wasn't going to be i don't know i'm trying to understand cover zero someone's throwing their clipboard right now out the car window some football coach it's on their way to practice but anyway i just it's it's interesting to me to know that for all because what you're what tom brady was setting up to have would seem to me to be the most ideal life a person could have just living in florida in the sun with his with his beautiful family without ever a worry about money without what we can tell at least so far or any particularly debilitating injuries and what will be a life where everywhere he goes everyone will be happy to see him unless maybe he's in like a specific bar in boston which i doubt he'll go to yeah like he's just gonna be on a perpetual goodwill tour for the rest of his life everywhere tom brady goes people are gonna yell the guy is here and they're gonna like every i mean and it's unless you know unless drew lock lives up to his potential and win six super bowls i mean you know in our lifetime it's very possible no one will ever achieve these statistical things that that tom brady has achieved and like it's so his life is just the

most set up thing you could ever have and yet looking looking down that at sort of at that horizon he was like yeah no i i still i need more i still need to throw the winning pass as time winds down and get the confetti because then i'll feel like i'm enough and it's like no you won't

dude so do you think that does that make him again not to i really don't want to get into football talk but the last kind of hanging question for me then is is he really dangerous this year like if everything that you say is true that he needs this final moment this is kind of his last shot at it i would guess like it's gonna play two more years like is he just planning on playing until he gets that like lifting the trophy with the confetti coming down moment and if so like he's gonna put i mean he's already he puts all of himself already into the game and if he's really just doing it for that moment well then he potentially could be unstoppable here unless it's just seriously the forces of life and gravity right that slow him down I think unfortunately for him but fortunately

for the kind of cinematic version of this or whatever I think it's going to be by that I just mean the narrative kind of behind all this I think he's in the words of Michael Bluth making a terrible mistake I think because it's really hard to win the Super Bowl it's really hard to get to the Super Bowl it's really hard to win it and I mean I know Tampa has a good team but just about any there is no team that is starting out if you go look at the odds in Vegas whoever the most likely to win the Super Bowl team is that's still not super likely like before the season starts so because anything can go wrong and so I have a feeling that he will not hoist the Lombardi trophy but that he will potentially get hurt have an off season he's really like he you know what it's it's sort of like i'm gonna throw a totally different analogy out now and this one is kind of darker and less like it's like he left he's like he lost a bunch of money let's just say last season not winning the super bowl was for him a loss like a emotional loss or it was a bummer so he left the casino he got in his car and he was about to drive home and he was like now you know what i'm gonna go back and i'm gonna get 400 more dollars out of the atm and i'm gonna see if i can win it back now the chances of that four hundred dollars turning into the thousand dollars you lost are statistically pretty slim as i've explained to my accountant at saftram and associates but like you know what i mean like um so in a way it's like i think he's betting on a long shot here i think it's it's possible but i i would say not likely that that any one team will win the super bowl and that tom brady will win the super bowl next year a whole bunch of things can go wrong and if it goes more wrong than it did this year like if if they have some injuries and then like tampa just stinks on ice and they go like six and eleven i don't even know how many

games they play anymore in the nfl is it 17 now that's a 17 week series or season i should say right so they play 16 is that right they play 16 no no no that's not right 16 no you're right i think they added a game yeah so it's an 18 week and 17 games with the buy

So, like, if they go 6-11 and, you know, he's got a nagging thumb injury and it's just a grind of a season for him.

Thank you.

And he's just – I mean, and those kinds of things have happened to Tom Brady within seasons. I mean, he's had not great moments. You know, there have been – I mean, his end with the Patriots was tough because they just didn't – he didn't have anyone to throw to. He didn't have anyone to work with. If he somehow ends up in a version of that in Tampa where it's just like a tough slog of a season, I just wonder, like, well, and then it's like, and then he announces he's going to retire. And then everyone's like, really? Or then he stays on for more seasons because he's trying to get back to this thing, keeps going back to the ATM. And then it's just like now he's he's getting less effective. And now even the Bucks fans are like, oh, is he the gat anymore? Is he really? Can we even did he tarnish his legacy? I just think I don't I would be shocked if the outcome of this is what this is what I am totally by the way making this now happen I am jinxing this into existence everybody's like shut up Burbank well except our listeners in Tampa yeah that's true except our number one donor Rob Gronkowski this is Rob I was in the army I'm Robert Robert this is Hall of this is Super Bowl champion Rob Gronkowski

Well, I do wonder if that is why Gronkowski didn't retire, because he was retired. He came out of retirement basically for Tom Brady when Tom Brady said he was going to go down to Tampa Bay, right? So I was kind of curious if his announcement was going to be coming. Maybe he talked. Maybe they just keep talking each other out of retirement.

Maybe so. Somebody said maybe Tom Brady did this just so people would say a bunch of nice things about him before he came back. Like, maybe he just needed a little pat on the old back. Yep. And so it was like, let's do it. Let's pull a little, you know, what is it, Tom Sawyer? Where he's at his own funeral. He's hiding because they think he's died. And so he's able to observe his own funeral, though he's not dead.

I forgot about that. Yes, yes, yes. That is part of that book. I'm sorry, Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. Sawyer.

That would be mortifying, by the way. I don't want to do that. I don't want to be at my own fake funeral.

No, no, I don't. I don't. For as bottomless as my need for approval is, that's not how I would want to get it. No, no. Just load my wet carcass into the mud. No coffin for me, please. No coffin for me. All right. Let's take a quick break. And then when we come back, we will do the top stories and this two-parter of email. Stay with us. It's TBTL.

We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man, razzle-dazzle.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle-dazzle.

All right, let's thank some dazzling donors. These are the wonderful, generous, very supporting folks who are dazzling, donating a dazzling amount of dough, and we appreciate it. I was, as I mentioned, Andrew, I was in L.A. this weekend. And I was spending some time with the fine folks from PRX, which is the distribution company that distributes Livewire. And I went out to dinner on Saturday night with some of those folks and was trying to explain TBTL and the funding model. And I have to say I was very proud. Maybe people were just shining me on, but because these are people that I was with who really know about radio and podcasting, they were like, wait, you have how many listeners? You have how many downloads? And wait, you've been doing the show for how long? And wait, that is a business that works? And I was like, yeah, because we have these amazing, generous donors.

Did they call you the Gats of PRX? Did they call you the G-A-T of PRX? I tried to get that going.

I tried a whisper campaign. I talked to one of the servers when I was using the restroom. I said, when you come back, could you just casually refer to me as the Gat of podcasting? Did it work? No, not at all. You know, I have been getting recognized more here in Portland, which is a strange experience. That doesn't surprise me. It shocks me because Becca and I were walking in the middle of nowhere, Andrew. I cannot stress how random a suburban, just neighborhood, not even suburban. I was somewhere near Tigard, Oregon. We're just walking down the street, just on a little walk because it was a nice day. And we're just walking. And a guy's mowing his lawn. He goes, oh, are you Luke Burbank from Sunday morning?

I was like, what? Oh, it wasn't even from the radio.

It wasn't from the radio. It was, I mean this was Couldn't have been more out of the blue And I was like, you know, it was very flattering It was nice, but it was also just like It's strange I think of Portland and Seattle as being Kind of the same size, but they're really not And Being a person who hosts a radio show In Portland and now lives in Portland It seems to have been

the case that a few more people are aware of my existence. That being said, no one's calling me the Gat.

Are you wearing a shirt in public? I would probably wear a shirt as much as possible. World's greatest Gat? Yeah, well I was just thinking too, if people are recognizing you, not that you don't have a fine form, but it just seems like if you were shirtless and somebody recognized you, it would be more

uncomfortable. Well, what about a shirt that's like a real muscle, like a t-shirt that has a real hot bod on it?

I like that. Why can't I get, there's one thing in this world that i want and it is a combination tuxedo and muscle shirt like why

can't i get those two things together i want a chippendales one i want one where i've got a real buff bod but i also have the bow tie on right exactly that's my look that's all we want um all right clive mccartney in fort lauderdale florida is our first dazzling donor that we want to thank clive says pissed as i am at the attention gotten by another britain named paul question mark oh clive just that's that's the kind of you know his name's paul trail that's a little trolling it's a little low-key i think i feel like his name's paul something with a p yeah who is actually still in the old country i claim to be the original expat britain and would like to claim associated pats on the back for that clive okay i'm sending i'm sending you a big pat all the way out there to fort lauderdale florida where you are i believe this is absolutely clive's position with the show the first that we know of expat brit 10 living in the states you

know what i'm doing i am literally uh changing the position of my chair i'm facing uh southeast east and i'm giving finger guns i'm giving finger guns to clive nice seriously though tbtl is a

breath of fresh air in my day of dealing with kids life work and the such like so thank you to all associated with the show especially luke and andrew and pre and please bring back kiki lola

amen i should actually check in with her yeah oh you mean just bring her back like as a guest i

don't know if we can get a again honestly we knew kiki lola was flying too high we knew there was Some other operation was going to come poach her away from us, which is what happened, because she's great. Yeah, maybe we can have her back on as a guest.

Yeah, I would love to. Actually, I'll reach out to her, see if she can hop on and maybe talk about rom-coms with us or something.

Clive, if you would like to become my most cherished Briten, just please start ending your emails with job done. Job done. I was going to tag it if you didn't. It's a simple game. Winning Luke's affection You just say job done And then you move to the top of the list So thank you Clive Seriously thank you for supporting the show We absolutely couldn't be here without your help Don't say maestro

There's one thing that Clive loves I can't believe he didn't mention it in this message But there is one thing If you want a dazzling detail about Clive There's one that he loves the most about TBTL And it's the way that I say Bullocks

On your mark Get set

Did he reach out to you about that? Oh, he reached out. He's in a very curt. I think it was an all. Did he text or something?

Are you trying to get back at him 5% as he's donating to our program?

Just all that. Well, what did he? All I remember was I was in Florida and I got like, I was on big, or not Florida. I'm sorry. I was in Hawaii and I got a message that was like, why are you doing this to me? Stop saying it that way.

Well, I have to say I'm inclined towards, I don't know how that whole back and forth went, But I, I, you know, I'm, I'm relieved to know that I wasn't losing my mind because we kept saying it and I kept saying, how are you saying that? And then you were saying it just, I think, phonetically a teeny bit.

I don't, you know, I'm clearly saying it wrong. I don't know why it just, I only know that word from the Sex Pistols record. And for some reason, probably whatever kid gave me the Sex Pistols cassette tape said it that way and it just stuck in my head forever.

Yeah, I've got about between one and eight million of those things that I do on the show. Hey, we've got to thank Christy Brookhouse of Colburn, Ontario. I love it. Today we're dealing with Brits. We're dealing with folks in Canada. It's very international. It's all under the crown. Hello, friendos. Thanks for another great year of companionship. I can always count on this podcast and community to make the world feel less lonely. I want to give a shout-out to my 10-pal, Kelly Hedgecock. Kelly, I know I'm a terrible 10-pal, but know that I think about you often, Sending you so many hugs and lots of love And a promise of a letter soon I have so much to tell you about This is fascinating to me First of all, Christy, thank you Legitimately thank you for supporting the show This is such an interesting way to talk to her friend Kelly Yes, I agree Because this constitutes as much work as writing Kelly a letter

Yeah, no, I mean That's the thing that I like about the Blurs days Is when people are only using us As a way of delivering a message that only the recipient understands. It's like our version of the prison show on that station in Texas that is right next to a prison where people call in and they just leave messages for their loved ones who are listening on the other side of those bars. So anyway, I assume Christy's in prison. I'm not sure.

Kelly. Well, you mean Christy's in prison reaching out to Kelly. Somebody in this situation is incarcerated. I mean, that's the takeaway. That's the takeaway.

We hope you get out soon is the point.

Kelly, we put some money on your commissary. Christy continues Luke and Andrew thanks again for just being you and for the show even though I've fallen behind because I no longer commute to work I know when I'm feeling lonely or need a distraction from work I can count on you guys to be there you are wonderful don't ever change love from Canada nice thank you job done a Christy Brookhouse thank you Christy that's a really nice note and we really appreciate you and yeah you know I get it this show is just there's so much of it every week that it can get really um it can really back up on you so just declare bankruptcy just pop in and pop out just jump in whenever it works for you for whatever it is kind of whatever bit of companionship you're looking for and don't don't feel bad about that for sure uh thanks again to both uh christy and clive i come on andrew i was you know what that was that was me looking the defense off before i threw the pass sure yeah okay i mean i mean have you ever seen tom brady ever seen tb12 play football the total tom brady move you got to look the defense off the whole time i knew i was going to say clive but i had to just get everybody going in the wrong direction

before i threw it to clive in the back it's a kind of suspense you bring suspense to podcasting

like what is what is the word he's looking for right exactly will he keel over during the program

Hold on. I know you want to hit that top stories, but I won't say who it is. But I think one of the funniest observations you've made about a radio professional in the Seattle area is I was talking about how terrible this one particular person is at like kind of reading the news or copy on the radio. And you said, no, it adds excitement. You don't know what the next word is going to be. And he doesn't know what the next word is going to be. I think about that all the time.

uh i i like that i i like that i can still make you laugh well this is a while ago oh hello and welcome to top story i was um staying in this fancy hotel in la this weekend um in west hollywood right on sunset and we all came back from well first so i went down on friday and i went to this huge soiree now you want to talk about mispronouncing it's not sure we went to this huge soiree um out in studio city california at the unbelievably lovely home Of somebody who's on the board Of PRX The distribution company And there was a swimming pool It was catered It was It was swanky dude And I was basically brought down there Mostly to Address the party And give a little kind of Tell a story or give a little sort of speech About Livewire and about radio And about my theories And I showed being reasonable and unreasonable times by any chance i um i learned my lesson on that one my dude but i did like i will tell you this i when i walked into that place my immediate thought was there's nothing i want to do less than stop everyone because there's a lot of people there a few hundred maybe couple hundred it's packed everyone's drinking bolivian wine and chatting but i mean having a really genuinely nice time the kind of thing where it's like somebody going clink clink clink clink clink clink on the glass and then sewing everyone please turn around and look at me um was just like i was like oh this is gonna this is gonna be rough and then i was really hoping that they were gonna go you know what we just decided to skip it on the whole speech thing like i was really rooting for that just circulate just circulate yes which i would have been happy to do but it ended up being okay um they had well here's what actually happened so they had a little pa system set up which was very hilarious it was like clearly like a child's karaoke setup or something because what had happened was the the guy who owned the catering this very very voluble hilarious this guy should have some kind of reality shows name's jose he was cooking the whole night he had like this amazing food set up he had he was in charge like he had hired people to do the bar he had decorated he had gotten stanchions to put around the swimming pool so no one would fall in. He had done everything, and it was beautiful. But the other thing he had done was he had gotten the PA system, and the PA system would light up when you talked into the microphone. Can you picture that? It was basically like a boombox, but a cube-shaped boombox

that, again, I think was designed for karaoke in a small room with a few people. And every time you were talking to the mic, these little lights, these different rainbow-colored lights would indicate that there was sound going through the microphone. him but the uh the the fellow whose whose house it was he got up and made a really nice introduction and then he brought up the guy who had brought the wine to the party and the guy who got up this is the person going before me andrea he was um from the he's from the milwaukee area originally but his i think his father might be from bolivia or from somewhere in south america his mother was from wisconsin and he uh was born into a sort of a certain amount of of tough circumstances he said he had problems with drugs as a child he went to jail he was kind of on the wrong side as he said of the tracks and then he he got his life together because he got a second chance and then he became a u.s diplomat and then he wrote like three books by the way this guy's like 36 then it's also very handsome andrew then he decided that the way he wanted to really try to changed the world was through wine he told this amazing story of how like the thing about wine that's unique in in developing countries is that you can basically do the whole process there he used chocolate as an example of something where oftentimes the resource the cacao is taken out of the country so you might be able to grow the cacao but you're not necessarily able to make the chocolate therefore your life is sort of stuck at the growing the cacao level but wine is different and we were all having this really great wine that was made by a woman who'd grown up you know very impoverished circumstances but had through learning the the industry and learning about you know grapes and everything was now the head winemaker so it's just like inspirational relevant great story about this thing we were all enjoying and so it's like this is flashes of being unreasonable in unreasonable times because if you remember that time i had to go up after an extremely charismatic banker from Atlanta who also had great stories about banking and loans and churches that were strip clubs and all kinds of stuff.

Talking to bankers as well, right?

And this was also, by the way, I will say, a big area of emphasis at this particular get-together was talking about inclusion inclusion and including voices um that are maybe not historically on the radio and on public radio the guys from ear hustle were there that's the prison podcast that's really really good there's some the folks from a show called the stoop were there it was a very um there was a real emphasis was kind of like how do we how do we create space and how do we think differently about who we're handing the mic to which also andrew i'm not going to lie to you added a little pressure to me like here we are we're a an interesting beautiful diverse group of folks gathered around here in this place to talk about a lot of things but one of them in the background of everything is like have have the white men of the world had their chance on the karaoke mic and the answer is yes we have so but you weren't the only person to speak though i mean aside i was the only white

person okay well i mean but that that's fine like at first i thought we were i thought we were building up towards like i i kind of i didn't realize that this was a prx thing where a bunch of other shows were there too so i i thought for some reason it was going to be like yeah there's a whole bunch of people here with a whole bunch of different backgrounds and then they're only handing the microphone to the white guy that would be way way worse you were one of many people to talk because you're one of many people on that platform that's fine that's good that is true

But I just felt like I was trying to figure out what the best way to talk about our show is while also reflecting back the conversations that had been sort of ongoing throughout the days because I just got there. I literally flew in from LAX, got in the car, and went to this house and, like, walked in, and then, like, someone handed me a glass of wine and a karaoke mic. A light-up karaoke mic. A light-up, yes, exactly. So here's what I learned though And this is the difference between me At age 45 doing this And me at age 27 Giving a speech called How to be unreasonable in unreasonable times I went up and the first thing I said Into the karaoke mic was Nobody told me I was following the world's most handsome Diplomat slash winemaker

Right, yeah

And then everyone laughs And then it's like it's fine, you know, from there I don't, I think I didn't I wouldn't have had the I'm not saying that was like the world's greatest opening but it broke the ice a little bit and then everything sort of went fine from there.

It was a fun night, but then we got back to the hotel.

You didn't grab the mic and say, let me show you how the whites do it?

That was my plan. But then at the last minute, I decided to just throw out my plan and do something more like in the moment. Hard to say what the right call was there, but I'm glad you got through it. We'll never know because you can't rerun that play, Andrew. But, you know, it is another tool I have in the toolbox if I need it. so they had buses going back and forth between the uh between this beautiful home and the hotel where we're all staying so we went back to the hotel and there was there's like a lobby bar and everyone's just hanging around and socializing it's real nice and then all of a sudden a titter moves through our area which is sarah silverman is right over there she is right over there and then some of the folks that i that i work with who are lovely by the way absolutely lovely folks where let's just say had been enjoying Bolivian wine and so suddenly people are surrounding Sarah Silverman and then yelling at me to come over and try to get her to be on Livewire where I'm like and I'm like like how do I not do that how do I leave poor Sarah Silverman alone but also you know not make my colleagues feel like I'm judging them because it seemed like sarah silverman was having an okay time talking to all of them and she's a public radio fan but it just it devolved into a point where there are just people yelling across this hotel lobby slash bar luke burbank come talk to sarah silverman and then sarah silverman is just sitting there in like a puffer vest holding hands with her boyfriend not just holding hands with him intertwined with him in this way that it was like them against the hordes that were now fully surrounding them and i went over and i was like again i wanted what i wanted to basically say was i am very sorry that we are in this exact moment together i am a fan of yours i think it's really cool what you do but i also know this is probably not maybe 100 how you were looking to spend your friday evening she shook my hand she was very nice we chatted for a bit and i said what brought you to this bar and she goes well my boyfriend rory and i again i cannot stress enough the odd position they were in they were sitting like kind of i think he was sitting on the back of a couch so imagine there's like a couch but you're but it's low and you can sit on the kind of the spine of it and she might have been on the same thing or on a chair but they were not only holding both hands their legs were they were like but not in a like you know horned up way in a like we are it's we are connecting and we are i don't know like it there was an interesting interesting Physicality it read to me Like maybe this way this is Unfolding is not totally again what their plan For their Friday night was I was like what brought you to this place And she goes oh we googled where it's like A wide open very low Key bar near where I live where there's not a lot of people yeah

So I was a little confused About this I thought that this was At somebody's fancy home so this Was at a we had taken buses back to the Hotel lobby I see okay sorry she was

Not there for the event she was just trying To have a drink with her boyfriend I see oh In a place in West Hollywood. Okay. And now there's like literally a ring of people standing around her as she's sitting. Oh, this is so bad. And then I am being summoned over to the ring of people. No, no. To introduce myself. And I was like, it was not, it was not. And then, oh my God, this was, this was.

Oh, I misread this. I'm sorry, Luke. I must have, I zoned out if you had mentioned that. I apologize. I didn't realize that. I thought that they were special guests at this thing This isn't even on site anymore This is literally her and her boyfriend Trying just to not be Sarah Silverman Just to not be mom

She didn't seem visibly annoyed by the way She was being very nice But it was I was And this was the funniest thing And luckily no one will ever know who I'm referring to And this person will never remember that they said it So it's all fine But I walked over so the person who was hollering at me it was john barth the person who was hollering at me i love john barth i do too uh who is retired from prx and is not he was not the person this person was hollering was like luke burman come talk to sarah silverman and finally so that that would stop i walked over and i tried to chat with her but also kind of give her a look of like i'm sorry that we're interrupting your evening and then i said okay well so nice to meet you and then i just said i'm going i'm hitting i'm going to bed because i was also very tired and then the person who'd been hollering at me said oh i guess no one's paying attention to luke he's got to go to bed oh my goodness i mean i mean she was this person was trying to be funny right i didn't i didn't take it as like i don't think it was shade but i was just like really man like i can't i can't win for losing as my mom would say right i didn't want to come over

here and make poor sarah silverman less comfortable and now that i'm leaving because i don't like this this is not the vibe i'm trying to achieve in my life no now it's like i'm leaving because the spotlight's not on me like i promise you it's not what i'm anyway so that was my follow-up

questions about this person not that i even think i know them but i you don't would like to know more well let me ask you this question and if you don't like this question we'll just cut this whole thing out but is this somebody that you this person who said this thing is this somebody that

you work with on a regular basis um there's somebody within an organization that i work with but i don't like have day-to-day dealings and also this person's lovely yeah i really like them and it's like you know we were just all everybody was having some bolivian wine and having a nice night you know so it was like it was not it was not if i've built it up to be like it was a situation it really wasn't but it was just kind of interesting yeah no i'm with you get to talk to her and also to just kind of i don't know observe observe the whole situation and also kind of watch sarah silverman in the world she was very gracious and she didn't have a look on her face like get me the hell out of here sure it wasn't that level so i couldn't quite i couldn't quite totally read the situation but what i what i realized was i don't think my presence was

was really well you know me i mean i i i am very loathed to well first of all i'm loathed even not loathed i i don't recognize famous people all that often like genevieve would be like remember we're at that bar and the guy from workaholics was there i'd be like no i don't recognize folks But I but I I am just so loathe to go up to a celebrity, especially if they're not there to be a celebrity, like maybe to meet and greet things. And, you know, you're supposed to say a quick hello. But even that is awkward. I'm like, this person doesn't want to say hi to me. They're not going to remember this. Like, it's just like this just kind of pointless, generally speaking. But then if especially again, I'm not trying to make your your whatever colleagues or compatriots or whatever feel bad if they were to hear this. But like me personally, like this is just a nightmare given how I feel about that stuff. I want to be the last person in the world to ever like be kind of in somebody's space, especially if they're just trying to be just trying to live their life. That is that is rough. Although I do hope you asked her if Jimmy Kimmel knew that she was stepping out on him.

I asked her if women can be funny. Did you see I mean this. So that Amy Poehler piece finally aired. and I I told you before the interview that I had had a conference call where it was explained to me or it was people said just don't ask are women funny which was I was you know a bit surprised to have that conversation because I don't think I that would have occurred to me as a question but then I tried to kind of like make it sort of funny at the end of the piece I said like are men funny and I set it up by saying they asked me not to ask about this but I'm just gonna I'm gonna go rogue and that was all just a joke nobody asked me not to ask if men are funny but i did and amy poller had a funny response you know said something like they're getting there or something and then she laughed it was you know whatever kind of nice little end of the piece somebody tweets at me kind of wish at luke burbank would have listened to those telling him not to ask that less that last question centering men at the end of his interview with amy poller poller was basically screaming at him if you were asked not to ask it don't ask he didn't get the hint That person sounds fun That person sounds like they really get comedy Like Do you think I mean I guess I want to take that as I want to take that as a compliment to my acting Andrew That I was so deadpan That I was so believable when I said They asked me not to ask this Like as if there was a conference call where they said The one thing we do not want you to ask Amy Poehler Is if men are funny Please do not ask that And I was just like I have to ask it The world in which that would actually unfold In which I would actually ask a question I was asked not to ask And I would preface it by saying They begged me not to do this And that that would end up on national television That's a universe Well I guess in the multiverse theory There is a version of life where I did do that But we're not living in that version There is

I'm not trying to dismiss I'm not trying to dismiss what you're saying Because I'm exactly the same way even in just doing something on this show and then like getting the one tweet that is kind of like, really? Like, you're just going to tweet that at me? But you got to just remember, like, there were just, literally, that's CBS. There were millions of people watching that. And then a bunch of people laughed and there was one person who tweeted something stupid on Twitter. So try to...

I mean, I guess I'm surprised probably it's not more.

Yeah, right.

Out of it, if you do like, if there's 8 million things that happen, although really it's, there's 8 million people watching it, but not all of them are on Twitter. So let's say out of the 8 million... So there's seven people with Twitter Actually it's kind of high There's a one out of seven chance There's four people who've heard about the internet Jane Paul

Paulie isn't one of them. What?

God, I love Jane Paulie so much.

Now, have you met Jane Paulie?

Yeah.

Luke, get over here. Meet Jane. Luke.

Oh, no. Jane Paulie is the most delightful person, the most down-to-earth person that you could ever meet for somebody who has storied a career and is as sort of like beloved and popular and just sort of an institution in journalism. I was the first time I met her was when we it was when Charles Osgood was retiring. So there were like the baton was being passed and they had everybody who worked on the show, like fly back to New York and kind of do this like ender where we all came out onto the sound stage at the very end of his last show. So there's like 50 people out there clapping for him. and as such we're just kind of waiting oh the Boston Pops was there playing but it was taking a long time to do something with them so I ended up just like hanging out in the green room with Jane Pauly for like three hours and she was so funny and not stuffy which was quite charming and then the last time I was in New York I was recording a couple commentaries in this thing they call the Flash Studio which is just a room about as big as the one that I'm in right now Andrew because you know with COVID everything was shut down we didn't have access to like the big fancy normal thing so i'm kid i get done with my little deal i walk out and then there's jane in the kind of makeup room and she's just doing her own makeup and i was like what's going on she goes oh yeah i just been doing my own makeup for the last eight months because you know that's what we're doing and she's just like chilling we took some pictures i asked if i could borrow some of her makeup because i had to do like a reshoot of something and i had an embarrassing pimple and she gave me some she like kind of coached me up on how to do some blemish covering like it was a very nice moment she's a national national treasure in my opinion one of my most embarrassing

moments on tbtl is when i thought i was announcing to you that john dickerson was taking her job because i read something wrong that's silly i do love john dickerson i love john dickerson but that

was a silly mistake to make um keeps me up i don't know if i don't know if pat sajak would would consider this a mistake or he just thinks this is now his job so like what roast the wheel contestants remember there was famously the the the panel of players who could not for the life of them get another feather in your cap even though all the letters were there except like one and then a lots of people were just thinking that was funny tape we were playing it and then pat sajak comes out with kind of a sort of heartfelt tweet saying don't be don't be mean to the wheel players they're trying their hardest which i thought okay yeah a lot of pressure on those people in that circumstance i'm looking to have a good time i don't think i'd be crushing it if I were on wheel you know so like I get it then though I was very shocked listen to this it's not great tape because it's somebody pointing their cell phone at the TV but this is Pat Sajak being mean to a wheel contestant

yes but it's not your car you're being so chopped off why are you telling this

let me give a little bit of backstory too this is the part where they're doing a little interview you know with one of the contestants kind of like on Jeopardy and the story is about this guy having his big toe chopped off which had actually happened or part of his big toe had been chopped off and pat sajak is asking him about it yes but it's not your car

your big toe chopped off why are you telling this yeah it's important to know that when i was 12 years old i was riding a 10-speed bike with flip-flops and i fell and completely cut off the top of my toe and the next car that came by were two paramedics that were on their way to their job and they said it's just a laceration but i didn't know what that was so it freaked me out even more and uh my toe is reattached and i just want to say thank you to them 30 years later

that may have been the most pointless story ever told great and you told it scott congratulations

what that might be the most pointless story ever told doesn't isn't that way meaner than we were being to the people that couldn't get another feather in their cap i've been thinking about

this all weekend listen i'm here to support and defend pat say jack he was just teasing a little bit too hard my guess is oh but you're also a teaser too exactly one you know like a hard teaser

Too Hard Teaser THS, they call you THS THT I know how 50 works

What was I before? I'm the THT splat Genevieve said that about me one time because I think sometimes my way of relating to somebody both adults and children although in this case I think we're this is years and years ago when we were hanging out with our dear friends like our closest closest friends at the time who had two little boys and we'd spend our weekends going on little walks and hikes and we just hung out all the time but sometimes i think liam and campbell are the boys names they're like driving cars now but anyway um illegally they're only five no uh no but back in the day when they were you know very young like five and seven or whatever they were i remember you know kind of teasing them and having a good time but i was like probably like an uncle to them or something but um i remember genevieve one time later saying hey sometimes you just kind of tease too hard like especially with kids they can't like kind of read droll all that well and that always stuck in my head am I teasing too hard and I think of that with just friends and co-workers too because sometimes I I do that I like to just I don't know just push things maybe a little bit into an awkward space sometimes on purpose if you can believe it or not and I sort of feel like what's going on here is I don't know what the rapport is between this contestant and Pat Sajak I'm sure that like you don't have a lot of time to get to know these people before every show, but you get the impression that this guy knows, like he said this is important for everyone to know or he made some sort of reference at the beginning of this, like this is really important and I think the guy knows it's not really important he's putting on a bit of a show, he knows it's a silly story, and so Pat Sajak is just kind of giving it back, because this guy is kind of putting on a little bit of a show that's how I interpret this, and I think it is absolutely fine, I don't think he's an H space P space, or whatever you put on the show sheet today for a hypocrite.

You don't think it was cold-blooded of Pat Sajak, which is what the New York Post said? Wheel of Fortune fans slam, quote, cold-blooded Pat Sajak for being rude to contest it. I love it. It's like one person tweeted. That was cold-blooded. There's like one retweet, one like.

I mean, also, I mean, it's what Steve Harvey does all the time, right? He's always like rolling his eyes and busting chops. And we saw Alex Trebek do that a little bit sometimes, too. remember i have the tape of him some woman is describing the nerdy stuff she likes that was

mean that was like losers in other words yeah wasn't she talking about like rap like star wars

rap or something oh was it nerd rap is that what it was yeah nerdcore here i'll just play it's 14

seconds long i might as well just play this um it's uh people who identify as nerdy rapping about the things they love video games science fiction having a hard time meeting romantic partners

Losers, in other words. That's way more devastating. That's like saying the core of who you are is a loser.

The thing is, I think that Alex there is kind of using the wrong word. I think he just meant, like, nerds, geeks. Like, I think he doesn't realize how harsh loser hits. Like, back in the day, loser was just kind of on the same level as those things. But I think it's gotten harsher over time. It hits the ears harsher. And I think he was using a word that maybe just is like, I think if he could do that over, he would have just said like dorks or something.

How did the how did the trend ever get started of like putting an L against your forehead and being like loser?

When you're the one putting the L on your forehead, I promise you, I promise you, you are the one who looks like a loser.

When did that like what piece of pop culture launched that? I'm so glad that is over. Please don't bring that back. I know we've brought back JNCO jeans and parting our hair in the middle. I know there's a lot of stuff that's come back, but please, please not. Please don't bring back the putting an L on. I mean, also, when you say that out loud, it's basically I feel like I'm quoting a Smash Mouth song because I am. There's a line in All Star, right, where he says something about in the shape of an L on her forehead. Oh, God. Yeah, I think it's a reference to that thing. But did that start? I must have started.

It must have been in a movie in the 80s or something. I'm trying to remember because we just did this the other day on the show And I'm trying to earnestly remember here Janko, we know it doesn't stand for Don't Google it No, I'm trying not to It's J-N-C-O, right? And it's just Right? Just Yep It's something that's like for us, by us But it's not It's not for them, by them It's just Just need Oh, frick What is it, Lou? Confidence now. Just need confidence.

That's not even the right letter at the end. That would be if it was like Jenkin or something.

Just need confidence. Oi. I know it's like, okay, choose one, right? Something, something, choose one. Yes.

It's judge none, J-N.

Judge none.

Choose one. Choose one.

Next time this comes up, do you think I'll get it? No. But it's not on you How many episodes will it take for me to remember it

It's not on you though because That is just It makes no sense or it's a complete It's completely abstract Like that's why you can't remember it Like FUBU for us By us, that makes sense. They're saying we're making clothes for a certain group of folks, and we're making them for those folks. For us, by us.

Yeah, that's why I always think of that first.

Jenko is judge none, choose one. That's not conceptually consistent.

No, it doesn't even. Those two, like, what is that comma splicing? You are asking so much of that comma splice.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

All right. How about we do a couple of emails here? I got thrown off, Andrew. I haven't changed any of the clocks in my apartment because I got home late last night. And so everything, like the clock on my computer has naturally, has automatically reset. But the main clock I look at hasn't. And I just realized, oh, we've got to record some LiveWire stuff here coming up.

Oh, OK, cool. I'll be somewhat efficient here, although I am looking. You're right. The hanging clock in my office, which, by the way, it's just like we keep on moving boxes over to our new place. So this place is getting kind of weirder and weirder. But I did ask Genevieve, hey, let's not move my actual. You know, I have an analog clock hanging on the wall and I do refer to that a lot. Yet that's the one clock I haven't changed yet. Like, why did I say, please, Genevieve, don't move this clock yet? It's important to me, but it's now an hour off. Anyway, let's play these voicemails we got from listener Amanda. This is quite like you said, Luke. This is a voicemail drama in two parts that is very, very, very close to my heart and anxieties.

Andrew, Luke, this is Amanda Buckley. I had real life, not even just garbage anxiety, but like garbage problems. What happened was I came home last night and my garbages and my yard waste were not empty. One yard waste was, one yard waste was not, and my garbage was full. And so my husband called the garbage people, and the garbage people said that it was our fault because our garbages were out in time. And, you know, my husband was on the phone, and he kind of gave them the benefit of the doubt. And I told him that and they said that they were there at 805. And I told him, I'm sure I've brought them out at 745. And they said, nope, both of our people, our yard waste person and our garbage person wrote down that your garbages were not out in time.

Now, I just want to pause here because I want to say like this is I know that I am obsessed with garbage pickup here in my neighborhood where we're the only residential carpenter. What? We're the only residential customers in this area. So sometimes we're skipped if somebody is filling in on that route or whatever. But the reason I started to really lose my shit over this is because when we or our management company would call in these complaints, they would always say, nope, records show that your bins weren't out there. And I'm just and again, I have tape of me like just freaking out about this. Just like they're just lying. They're just straight up lying. And it's never clear whether it's the people who are on the phone with you who are lying or the people who are driving the trucks. But it's one thing to say, hey, your bins weren't out there or oops, I guess we missed it. But like somehow they're keeping records, they're keeping records and and lying on those records. It doesn't make sense. But I just wanted to kind of say, like, this is those are the heart of the issue to me.

Yeah, those are the systems. I don't want to. This is such a more serious and dark place to take it. But this has historically been one of the big problems with how we police this country is that the people who may have done something inappropriate, i.e. the police, write the report of what happened. And it's, of course, why police departments were incredibly resistant to body cams for a bunch of reasons that were total bad faith arguments. And now that we have body cams, the wildest thing is happening, which is a lot of times when you get the footage, it doesn't agree with what the police report wrote. And I know garbage and people being killed Are very very different topics But the systems where someone Gets the person who may have done The not cool thing gets to Also decide like was your garbage can Out or not on time or just the person Back at the dispatch who just goes My default setting is to tell everyone their garbage Wasn't out in time those are bad systems All cans are beautiful That's why I spray a cab Is that what a cab is

Well that's my interpretation of it OK, so this just this really strikes at the heart of the issue for me, by the way, do you know that I still in fact, they skipped us last week. But I take a photo every Sunday evening when I drag. I do it. And it saves my ass because when I tell when I when I write to the management company, the two women, Shelly and Gabrielle, who who call these things into the city for me, I say, listen, obviously, they're going to say the bins weren't out in time. Here's the time stamped photo. And I got it.

take the photo off my phone in the mode where it shows the time stamp so that they because they're going to lie they always lie and say it wasn't out on time and then what will happen by the way is if they send another truck out to correct it then on the bill even after you've explained it a million times and you have the photo evidence they still charge you for an extra pickup and then you got to fight that again at the end of the month anyway uh this is amanda's story and so the lady on the

phone was very very not nice very very not nice and so my husband said you know what i think i'm going to check your work i'm going to look at our cameras and she said yes you you go ahead and do that and so he looked at the cameras and the garbages were out the garbage men the garbage person the garbage people drove the little garbage truck up right in front of our garbage can and they stopped they didn't pick up our garbages and then they kept going and then they wrote on their paper that our garbages weren't out so now I'm trying to figure out what I did to these garbage people to make them be so vindictive or maybe they were just in a rush and but then like that seems like such a like you you can't just leave somebody's garbage and then write that they weren't out there because they're gonna they're gonna complain about it right so what did I do and not only that now they have to come back and they have to pick our garbages up because the garbage people told them that we reviewed video on them and so I think probably for the rest of my life the garbage people are not going to like me and so now I had a garbage problem and I had garbage anxiety and I'm going to have garbage anxiety forever and ever and ever so that's

something that never occurred to me in my own situation whether or not the garbage people like me um and maybe because I feel a little bit anonymous here given our our weird pickup situation but now that um now that we're moving to a more residential area and it's not going to be an apartment situation i do wonder if i have any issues if i could make an potentially an enemy of the garbage folks although i will say service so far has been great they um delivered my new garbage can ahead of time by the way they delivered it a day early made a special trip so right now i'm in really good standing with uh with my garbage people but amanda paranoid that her garbage relationship is about to go down the drain here but also frustrated that people are lying writing down 805 bins aren't out when they're out there at 745 like who's lying Luke well this next voicemail sheds a little bit of light on that hey listen guys it's Amanda and Buckley and I have an

update to my garbage story it just keeps going so my husband called back later because he just thought the whole thing was so weird the fact that the garbage truck pulled up and didn't take our garbage and it was on video and then they wrote that they were there at 805 when they were there at 110 like it was just everything was too weird so he decided to call the garbage people back up again and um talk to another customer service rep and just say hey something weird is going on here we think that you guys should check it out beyond just coming and getting our garbage um and when he talked to the next customer service agent he relayed the story she pulled up the account and She said that everything the other customer service agents said was a lie, all of it. There's no notes on our account that our garbage wasn't out there. There was nothing. Everything she said was just a complete and total lie. And now, and there wasn't even notes about her conversation with my husband. So now we don't know what her intention was and why she was aggressively upset at, you know, our situation and, like, not wanting the garbage people to take the blame or what happened. But the new customer service agent is now forwarding it up to the supervisor because everybody's getting investigated now, not just the garbage people, but also the customer service agent. So now, if we didn't have the garbage people Upset at us before, we are definitely Going to have the garbage people upset at us now And We still have our garbage They haven't picked it up yet Okay, bye

First of all, hang in there, Amanda This is like LA Confidential

This is like Buckley Confidential It is James Cromwell is going to turn out to have been That's the guy on LA Confidential When it's like, oh, he's been bad the whole time

Hey, hey, hey, hey Hey, that movie just came out. People haven't seen it yet.

I thought the Fonz was in it, and I've forgotten it.

Hey, Disco Stew, don't spoilerize. That was a weird adaptation of a Simpsons joke. Anyway, you know, here's one thing that Amanda needs to know. I haven't taken some similar trips down this lane of frustration myself. You have one thing that's working for you. By the way, second tier Pixies song. Lane of frustration.

of frustration um

The people who are actually driving the trucks are contractors. They work for a company that isn't the city. The city hires these contractors, I assume. I mean, I think in most cases, and let's assume that's the case in Buckley. So in a certain way, when you're calling in and you're talking to a city representative, often that city representative is kind of on your side because they can get a little cheesed off that the contractor is lying to them. They're a customer in a way themselves. So if you get the right person on the phone, they are going to investigate this. And whatever your conversations with the city people are, that should not affect how the people in the truck feel about you necessarily. However, it really does bring up this just mystery of why these trucks, because I've heard from other people with somewhat similar stories. Why are these trucks pulling up, stopping outside the garbage, and then moving on? I have a theory. What, do you think it's just distraction on the job?

i think it depends on what kind of garbage truck we're dealing with or i should say what kind of garbage cans we're dealing with now i sit here broadcasting from the hollywood broadcast center and i look out on a like a little residential street and so i watch the garbage trucks go down the street every week and the bins are the kind where they're so large that a person when you and i were growing up andrew a person came out grabbed the garbage can dumped it into the garbage truck Possibly dumping out Oscar the Grouch Or anything else that might have been in that tin can Putting it back down We are now at the point where A lot of these garbage trucks have a big mechanical arm Like a claw That comes off and grabs Because the bins are so heavy That it lifts the bin And then everything falls in Are those the kinds of bins that you have? Is it a mechanical thing that's picking up your garbage cans?

Yes, although I think with assistance from a human I think a human still jumps out And then puts the bin in the arm a little bit I think So the people that drive the street that I look at all day

They're either so adept with it Or they have really fancy technology Where they don't even get out of the truck They pull up, they extend this big robot claw And grabs the can And then dumps it and then puts it back down I could see a world in which This It's Amanda who called in This truck pulled up to Amanda's house The person was on their cell phone or you know texting or talking to you know their partner something was going on so they pulled up they got distracted with their phone then when they got done with their phone situation they forgot to keep track of if they had dumped this one or not and then they just drove on

i can see that like just general distraction totally makes sense to me too my question is like where is this story because i've been fed this line many times before too that like well we've checked the records and it was marked well there are no records are there no records at all or is it an automated thing where a truck there's definitely not a clipboard where somebody is writing this manually obviously in this day and age there might be kind of a GPS tracker that maybe shows whether or not you stopped at a place or something like that or maybe you hit a green button after you're done, I don't know

this is this is the thing about almost all of this stuff whether it's garbage or i mean maybe garbage maybe there are not that many examples because no i'm gonna say this is a broader problem so much of the time when you call into some sort of customer service situation and have a conversation i feel like there's no record of it having happened i've had many times i call back in there like we don't see anything in the file or there's you're right there's no system for this There's not, I don't think that there's any real, like what that person who was telling listener Amanda, oh, we looked at the, we looked at the transcript or we looked at the timestamp and no, your cans were not out there. That's just what that person says 20 times a day just to get people off their back.

Yeah. So you don't think it's the truckers who are lying.

Well, in this case, probably not because, I mean, maybe, but I think what happened was, you know, Amanda's family called in. the person at dispatch or the person whatever got the call and they just maybe maybe the truckers lied or maybe they just maybe the truckers aren't even unaware this even happened because they were distracted and just forgot to do it like they pulled up but then didn't do it for some reason but definitely this person who they called is just giving everyone they talked to a line of bullshit and just assuming that it'll never get back to them and that the most people just be like okay and then they just like leave their garbage can out for another week or pay yeah or pay for the extra pickup or what have you right like i just think that that i i'm i mean i guess the original sin was with the people that were supposed to pick up the garbage but i almost feel like the more upsetting thing is the person who took no notes and lied about it oh yeah

And lied about the timing That's more devious to me While being rude While being rude Yes No I'm with you How rude How great is it that that person Is now being investigated As Amanda puts it The investigation going all the way To the top now Everybody's getting investigated But then there is of course

The other problem Which is if this does get back To the people that drive the route If they are now told That certain house And hopefully they just have So many houses That they won't even know Which one the person's talking about But if it's like If Amanda and her husband end up on this like Karen list as it were again peace and love to our listeners named Karen but just this kind of like oh they're the people that filmed the garbage men and that they're like complaining which none of that is what was going on it was just they want their garbage picked up yeah like if they're now on some list where the people that have to do the garbage are like oh these are the people that are just riding our ass all day that's not a good outcome for them because they didn't do anything wrong but now they're like you know seem like they're being

extra can i tell you one thing that's been living in my head that's hard for me to i don't know what my feelings are about this but it's like an itch that i can't scratch when i had a realization last week regarding my brand new garbage bin which by the way was not a brand new garbage bin it was just a new to me garbage bin so i did not oscar the grouch it i did not get into it because it wasn't clean off the factory floor also i wouldn't fit in in the bin and here's why so here in seattle you can choose of one of three different garbage bin sizes right there's the really small one I want to say that's like 13 gallons or something it comes up to maybe your knee and it's a little bin that you can throw throw a little bit of garbage and that's the cheapest option at about $25 a month I want to say and you know it's a way if you use that bin then you're probably doing a really good job composting and recycling it's a way of cutting down on waste and that's why it's the cheapest option naturally we know that then there are two other sized bins that you can get one is like 20 gallons and one is i'm going to say off the top of my head maybe 30 um and they're tiered like i think that the 20 gallon bin is five dollars more than um than the little mini guy and that's that's what we decided to get for our house and so the new bin was dropped off when i was choosing it online though i couldn't understand why the largest bin and the second largest bin looked exactly the same from the outside and when the new bin was dropped off again we have the middle size it all came together for me i had noticed that some of these black bins around the neighborhoods have these like beige inserts in them like they almost have a beige kind of cap around the edge of it and i realized what they're doing is they're just retrofitting these black bins that are the same size they're basically putting a garbage governor on it luke they're They're taking these two bins that are the same size, but they're putting inserts in one of them, in the middle-sized one.

I would vote for you as the garbage governor.

Thank you.

You're putting together some kind of exploratory committee. Let me know.

What would my platform be? Probably education. Anyway, I think it's interesting. I mean, it makes sense, right? You're not paying for the bin. You're not paying for the plastic that goes into the bin. You're paying for the service and the capacity. And so the city is trying.

And how much you contribute to the overall problem, essentially.

Exactly. It's almost like paying an offset. When you pay your garbage bill, you're paying an offset for creating that garbage. So they deliver this bin, but somehow knowing that essentially it could be the same size as the other bin, but it just has this insert in it that doesn't let me use all of the space in the bin drives me a little bit nuts. like intellectually i understand what's going on here and i almost and i guess i support it right like we gotta be creating less waste but it also is driving me a little bit up a wall do you

understand it's yeah of course but it's it's so much more efficient right because if the more different sizes of cans they have the more different you know yeah sort of like shelf space they need i don't think they literally keep them on shelves the kind of thing that delivers it etc etc like it is so much more efficient for them to just be a standard size with the inside having the difference but i know what you mean it's also kind of a mind bleep yeah and the and the

the robot arm that you just described as well like you need the robot arm to to grab just two different styles as opposed to do you think you can using a sawzall or something can you cut out the liner that hadn't even occurred to me just kidding of course i've been thinking about how to take the liner out but i mean i'm not going to do it i don't mean that i've been thinking about it like i will i just mean i've been thinking about what that scenario would look like because what i've noticed is and now i'm like looking at all the other bins in the neighborhood as i'm going about town they put in um somewhat embossed big white letters on the top 20 gallon service so you know that some people because i i don't think you need to solve all it i think there are some fasteners not not screws not something you could Thank you.

easily unfastened but there it is a fascinator not a fascinator but a fastener sort of situation where i'm sure some people have tried to rig them so they can put more garbage in there but i think you'd get caught pretty quickly because first of all i i do think the drivers know probably the various services and i think they'd be able to spot one of these one of these uh bins that had

been tampered with been what you have to do what you obviously do is you you leave the top ring in and then you cut out the liner yeah kind of like a dickie like we used to use it jesus creek because you had to wear a collared shirt right but you're allowed to wear a sweater over your collared shirt so i went to goodwill and i just bought like 50 crummy collared shirts and just cut you know the shirt out of it so it was just the collar you just have a dickie so when they pull up to it it looks like it's you know it's it's being governed or governed were you doing

that because you really found the collared shirts uncomfortable or just because it was like part of this like well fine if this is gonna be a rule then i'm gonna get around it like it just irked

you i think a little of both i think probably i felt like a life hack it just kind of felt well a thing that sucked would be after gym class so we would just go and have gym class and like exercise very hard like some of these were like weight training you know i mean you're like really and uh but i also didn't like to shower after gym because it was embarrassing because i don't like being nude with a bunch of my classmates so i was a bit of a sweaty mess so there'd be nothing worse than going you know to like whatever geometry or something after you just getting all sweaty and you got to put this collared shirt on and you got to whatever no i don't know how putting a sweater and a dickie was better it probably wasn't but i just think it occurred to me at some point all they can see is the collar that's the only thing that we need in this situation and so i think it probably mostly was me just trying to figure out what can i get away with um regardless of if it actually improved my level of comfort or really made sense it just

seemed like i was kind of getting away with something that's kind of what i figured because i don't i mean i i still wear collared shirts and i'm not very i'm i don't think i have i would describe myself as a normal person as far as the clothes that i choose to wear but like i've just worn collared shirts my entire life because i did have to wear them for school and they just didn't

seem super uncomfortable to me uh i think now i find collared shirts as long as they fit me can always tell where i am on my personal little weight journey by which shirts i can wear on the airplane without having to suck my gut in the whole time uh yes when you when when the belly flaps over the seat belt right well just mostly when the when the belly is really testing the oh strength the tensile strength of the buttons yeah of my shirt like i think i i was for a while there i was really i was really kind of i was making some progress i don't i think my progress might have slipped a little bit but i'll you know i'll usually be able to tell based on what shirt i can comfortably wear when sitting on an airplane i realized i pulled a shirt out the other day i'm

like oh good this one of my nicer shirts i'm gonna wash this myself and iron it often i'll take my shirts to a dry cleaner just to have them like laundered and ironed but i've been trying to do that a little bit less but anyway i take out one one of the shirts that i consider not not a nice shirt like oh i'm gonna go out on the town but like just like a non kind of grubby shirt that is somewhat more presentable if i do have to run out go to a meeting or something um and i realized it's threadbare in the in the elbow area it's got a hole in it like i haven't bought clothes in so long except for like specific occasions like you know rosen and nick's wedding i had to go out and buy clothes for that but like i don't know i mean i i think that i i don't do a lot of shopping anyway and then you add the pandemic and the fact that nobody goes anywhere and expectations were lower but like one of the quote-unquote nicer shirts i have is it doesn't have a hole from me falling or from me playing with my romper stompers in the backyard just from wearing it and washing it too many times like i need some damn clothes i i you know i'm obviously a fairly impulsive

shopper and i i do i do acquire more things than you but i was thinking the other day yeah i don't really buy what i do is about once a year i reach i i restock so i have these blue like penguin collared shirts that i wear a lot i have some white collared shirts from j crew i have two jackets that i wear that are kind of somewhere between a chore coat and a blazer and then i have one pair of jeans that i wear on the regular and those jeans i had to wash the other day i wash them like every three or four months i had to wear a different pair of jeans that were not comfortable and it threw off my whole day. But I realized I basically have like, I'm so, my wardrobe is so simplified for me now that it's just, it's just the same few things, which means I don't really buy anything new or interesting or patterned or, I'm extremely basic now with my look. I need Stitch Fix to send me. some more stuff i like i don't even know if they are a sponsor anymore but they were a sponsor for i think kind of a shortish period of time maybe they still are on our on our roles i'm not sure but um i will say this is a true story i did when they said they wanted to be a sponsor i'm like okay sure i'll i'll check them out and i'll do ads for them but in the back of my and they're like okay and then you know try out the the service right i'm like okay but honestly like i'm sure the clothes are fine but like i'm not somebody who thinks about my clothes all that much and like i'm even though even though I wouldn't say that I have a particular style I am a control freak I'm just like I don't think this idea of like just telling them what my style is and then having them send me stuff it's sort of it's sort of sounded like a pain in the ass to me I'll be honest but I'll only say that because as soon as I use it it really turned me around like some of my favorite the only new shirts I have are from them they sent me like a pair of a pair of jeans that are literally my favorite jeans literally my favorite shirt now that this one has holes in it Like they sent me I'm wearing a pair of shoes that they sent me like they nailed it. I said this in the ad. But in case anybody's wondering if I lie in those things, I could not believe how much I loved that service. So maybe I should just like do that again. Like this still makes me nervous to think, wait, I'm going to leave this in somebody else's hands. But like they nailed it. What what more do I need to see here? Not much. Sorry. Get out of here, Andrew. Yeah, I don't know that I'm really like I swear I'm not doing that to suck up to sponsors. I don't know what their status is.

You know, I don't know, but, you know, I've got a connection to them now. No. Becca's sister-in-law works for them. Oh, cool. So if you really want to, you know. Tell them job done.

Job done. They are British, by the way.

You know it's a British company?

No, I did not know that, although it sounds British now that you say it. Stitch Fix. All right.

Let's wrap things up because, like I said, I've got to do this other thing. I'll tell you, Andrew, this springing ahead really hit me hard this year, weirdly enough. Like, I woke up in L.A. I was like, wait, how is it already, you know, whatever, 930 a.m. or something? And I feel like I haven't gotten back into the rhythm of things yet. People always go, like, oh, you're going to lose an hour of sleep. And my response is always, it's so worth it to get an hour of daylight at the end of the day. And I think I will be enjoying that in the next few days. But for yesterday and today, I have felt off by that hour.

That hour is really kicking my butt. Yeah, you worked this weekend. I mean, you had to travel for work this weekend. That's a less than ideal situation. No, you're not trying to make yourself out to be a martyr here. But, yeah, there's a big difference between me just losing an hour of sleep on a Sunday versus, hey, I'm traveling for this big gig.

You know, not to woe is me it, but because I'm very, very privileged to get to do the job stuff that I get to do. But that is something that I very much do not think about enough, which is traveling on the weekends. Because I see it as like, oh, well, I can just travel on Sunday and then I'm not messing up TBTL. I'm not messing up Livewire So oftentimes what happens is the way that I can Sort of spin these three plates of my job life Of CBS TBTL and Livewire Is to do a lot of the travel on weekends But then what it means is it's Monday morning And I like I was traveling all weekend Or doing a lot of travel And I feel like I woke up this morning feeling actually pretty good But also thinking God I need a break Even though it was like we just had a weekend But I think of traveling as like Oh I'm just going to sit on a plane And hopefully I'll get bumped to first class And I'll just whatever Cruise the internet on my phone or something But it does take a little bit out of you And I got to be careful that I don't Fill all of my weekends With work travel So that I feel like I'm on a treadmill That I never quite get off of Alright That is going to do it for today's show Thank you everyone for being here Being with us, being part of TBTL We'll be back here tomorrow With more imaginary radio for you Until then, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. Stay safe. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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