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I am confused by people who are thrown off by daylight savings time. Because it is not a big deal. People try to make it a big deal, these drama queens and kings. It is just an hour adjustment twice a year. That's all it is. It's an hour adjustment twice a year. You move the clock back, you move the clock forward. That's all. You don't even have to live the hour that gets adjusted. You know what I mean? You don't have to sit there like, come on, come on! You just move the hands on the clock. That's all it is. But still, twice a year, you will hear people say things like, oh, I'm sorry, man, I'm all screwed up because of Daylight Savings Time.

What?

If you find yourself saying that, you might as well just tag it with, um, I have trouble talking to people, so I let my mouth open up and let words fall out. Because talking is hard with the thing, it, a bench. It's just an hour. It's just an hour. You didn't get off a plane from Australia. There's nothing to be disoriented by. It's just an hour. But still, twice a year, people, oh, what is, oh. Is this milk still good? What happens now? What? Who is the president?

it. Do I have a great bushy beard? It's your lucky day. You just found a USB flash drive in the parking lot. It looks like it's in good shape, so you pick it up and congratulate yourself on finding a free flash drive. Can't you say anything in a normal way? The answer, sadly, is not yes.

Maybe he saw his reflection and thought, mm-mm-mm, I'm flying in hot for that hottie.

Can I just stop you real quick and just say, what a wonderful atmosphere you have here.

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Don't stay in my house if you're dorks added.

It passed the Senate, something called the Sunshine Protection Act. And I was very excited about it, but then also I have to say, I read some scientific information about our bodies and sunlight and what happens there.

Those scientists better check their hypotenuses, dude.

And I don't know. I may be having some second thoughts on this whole thing. Here's something I never have a second thought on. Episode 3641 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. I guess I've had no opportunities to have a second thought on that, because we've never arrived at this episode before. This is the most numbers of TBTL. The most episodes of TBTL we've ever done is today. And then tomorrow will also be the most episodes of TBTL we've ever done. But I'm telling you, I'm feeling very excited about it, because we do have lots and lots to talk about. Like I said, including the daylight saving time stuff. Also, Wheel of Fortune is back in the news again. A lot of Wheel of Fortune news. It's for something quite surprising today. This is a simple game. So we will delve into that as well. And I'm sure lots of other things that we can't even know right now. That's the beauty of episode 3641. in a collector's series, is that we just don't know what's going to happen. We do know one thing, though. This guy's going to be here, the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

Okay.

He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. As I talk to you, I am doing more than just podcasting and drinking coffee, which I am doing. I don't know if that grossed you out Hearing me drink No, I like it

I'm not one of the

Mm We've got, it's a real, it's a very polarizing thing, I think, us eating and sipping liquids on the show. Some people find it to be kind of entertaining and even soothing in a way, and some people find it to be quite upsetting.

I won't do it anymore, but I just wanted that to be a good kind of, it's like, we're recording this, it's morning time, I have a nice warm cup of coffee here in a mug that I haven't used in a long time, and that's the third thing I'm doing. I'm podcasting, I'm drinking coffee, and I'm saving the life of this mug, Luke, this mug that I've had for, I want to say, 15 years or so. It's a mug that I don't use all that often. And as Genevieve and I continue with our process of moving, I saw that it had been pulled out from the recesses of a cupboard and sitting on the counter yesterday morning. And I knew why it was sitting on the counter and not in the cupboard or packed up. It was because there was a question mark hanging over it, a question mark that looked like a dagger. And Genevieve was ready. She does not like extra mugs in our life. I will admit that I am a little bit sentimental when it comes to mugs. And not just sentimental, but there are certain mugs and shapes of mugs that I like more than others. I actually do not like the classic big, thick diner mug that is sort of tapered in the middle. Those are a little bit too thick for these bearded lips. Sorry. Whoa. Sorry. Do you want me to sip my coffee in the mic again?

I feel like that term, what's amazing to me is that's not the first time that you've uttered those words on this show.

No, I know what I'm doing, too. That's a terrible phrase.

Really? It's awful.

That was on purpose? Yeah, no. Oh, gross. Wait, so you're saying we shouldn't name the show title Too Thick for These Bearded Lips? Oh, dear God. What happens if I say it three times? My beard is like my girlfriend. I never say that phrase three times. I'm not going to tell you what happens. Please don't. I don't want to know who you summoned. It's very upsetting, my friend. But anyway, you can see what's going on. This is a mug, Luke. Not only do I like the shape of it, it's kind of a, it's the roundest mug I have, if that makes sense. It's plastic. It's not even ceramic. It's not a very nice mug. And it says Granite State Marketing Research on one side and on the other. It says Londonderry, New Hampshire with the phone number and the fax number on it. I got this mug. This is more than 15 years ago now. This is when I was in New Hampshire. It was the only time I've told you about this before. The only time I've been the person sitting on the other side of the two way glass watching other people talk about a product. And in this case, the product was the radio stations, the radio station that I worked at. We had a focus group of people who were coming in talking about New Hampshire public radio. And I think in particular the show that I was the executive producer of that we had just launched sometime in the past year or so. And so I was one of the secret people who was on the other side of the glass watching these people deliberate. Was it really the two way glass thing? Honestly, swear to God, it was. Yeah, it was me and my boss at the time, Mike Arnold, who I believe set it up and thought it was a good idea, and some other people with the research organization and I think a couple of other station producers in there. And it was exhilarating. I don't remember exactly what people said about our radio product. It was fine, whatever. I wasn't fired. Probably okay. But I did love this mug, and I loved the experience. And so when I saw this mug sitting on the counter yesterday morning, I immediately poured coffee into it and I was drinking from it. Later that day, Genevieve saw the mug and said, hey, we're getting rid of that mug or something like that, right? You don't want that mug anymore. And I said, no, no, no, I love this mug. She's like, when's the last time you drank out of it? You know what I said? Today. Oh, she knew it, too. She let out a sound. Mug dropped. She knew it. And you could even drop that mug because it's plastic.

But here's – okay. Andrew, my friend, these are the days when we don't get to the top stories because I have – my brain wants to go in about four different directions with this conversation now. One, I'm on the website for Granite State Marketing Research, and I'm looking at probably the room that you were on the other side of the two-way glass. And I don't want to, I don't want to yuck any part of your yum, but that's where hope goes to die. That is where, please, my friend, just do me a, do me a kindness. Go to this website and it's, it's just the banner that it automatically populates. Tell me if this was the actual room.

No, I'm not going to look right now. I'm going to tell you how I remember it. And then, cause you're right. I mean, it definitely was a soulless, I believe drop ceiling kind of room with like, just like terrible, like garish fluorescent lights on top from the ceiling. Two for two. Possibly you wouldn't get this from the banner, but possibly one flickering. I'm not sure.

Maybe I'm now just describing Joe versus the Volcano and Tom Hanks' office. But that's how I remember it. And then a table in the middle with a bunch of probably not so great office chairs around it. And then me, if you enhance, enhance, enhance at that window, if you look really closely, you can see me behind the mirror laughing and yucking it up with my former producers and friends.

Andrew, you have described it so accurately. Although I will say the chairs are not even office chairs They're like chairs that you would have in a room at the church That you get out when it's time for like a potluck or something Like they're just the kind of you know They're the chairs that you typically bring in and out of a kind of an event space And it's but you're exactly right The ceiling is dropped the lights are fluorescent

They must just have one room because this is the exact room Oh you're there now I'm there I'm looking yes It's like what I think of as like banquet chairs or conference chairs. Yeah, exactly. If you're at a conference and a breakout session.

That's a better way to describe it. Like if you went to hear about how you can change your personal finances through real estate without putting any money down at the Hyatt on a Saturday, these would be the chairs that they would have in the room. Now – I wish I'd mentioned the generic art though. That art is really, that's, art is, from far away it looks like it's kind of trying to be a Matisse. It's like some sort of vaguely impressionistic thing going on.

Yeah, it's like kind of, you get to your hotel room when you're on a road trip and you're staying in the Motel 6 kind of art.

Yes. Now, I don't actually necessarily think that this is a depressing place. I think for me it brings up very strong church vibes, early life church vibes. These were the kinds of buildings that we, the Gospel Outreach Christian Fellowship, were constantly using. Because when my family first got to Seattle, our church didn't have, like, a dedicated freestanding building that the church, like, owned or even rented. So we started out using the facilities on Sunday of a Christian counseling service that was called Burden Bearers. Like, we're going to bear your burdens. and it was every room was like this and i remember these rooms to me rooms that look like this feel like the place where i'm sitting because i'm in trouble and someone's going to come talk to me either because i'm a kid and i was acting up in church or i was a little bit older kid and i told a girl uh who i went to the church with uh i was trying to i was trying to show off to her and talk about prince the singer the artist formerly known as prince and uh like i i used some sort of vulgar vulgar phrase i didn't even fully understand um and then she went and reported me to her dad who reported me to my dad i was always sitting in a room like this knowing that i was in big trouble

and waiting to find out what that trouble what shape or years later flash forward even into my

teenage dumb years sitting in a room like this waiting for someone to come in and tell me that I need to marry the person who I got pregnant, reading from the Old Testament. So those are, like, I think that's why I have an extremely visceral response to this kind of, I guess if we could say, architecture and interior design. But I'm sure for people that didn't grow up the way I did, it's just another room. It's just kind of a slightly depressing conference room, of which there are millions in America. And not everyone's getting triggered as hard as I am looking at these photos.

Yeah, I don't want to be, I mean, I doubt anybody in Londonderry, the entire town of Londonderry is even listening right now, let alone somebody who works for Granite State Research or whatever it's called. I, you know, so I don't want to hurt any feelings. It's fine. It's just a, it's a conference room in Londonderry, Ohio with a trick mirror. Not a trick mirror. I mean, you're not tricking anybody. What did I say? Ohio. Did I say Ohio? You know, you're not tricking anybody. That makes it sound really gross. You know, it's just, it's service purpose. Job done. Job done.

They're there to help make The Front Porch the leading New Hampshire public radio, you know, public affairs and arts show.

Aff, it was, are you going to tell me that I can't remember the name of one of the shows I launched? Wait, that wasn't The Front Porch, though? It was, so The Front Porch was a show that I inherited and then with the purpose of transitioning it into a more vibrant midday show. The Front Porch was an evening culture show that I didn't really want any part of, but my boss was kind of like, well, I want to make you the producer of the show, and we're going to transition it to an hour-long midday show, and it ended up being called Word of Mouth, which is not a name that I lost a lot of votes in that whole development process. Word of Mouth was not my favorite.

He may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships, capturing their grace and power, and all those intricate riggings. I didn't want Mouth in the title.

I wanted bearded lips, but they wouldn't let me do it. Oh, now there's been enough time between the first two times you uttered it that the bearded lip demon will not materialize as long as there's a four-minute pause. It's a muppet. So I said I have so many directions I want to go with this conversation. Now, let's talk moving, coffee cups, et cetera. Now, you're moving to a place that has the same square footage, or I should say this. It's the same amount of storage, less storage, or more storage?

For kitchen-style stuff, more storage. You know what I mean? Because it's a little bit hard for me to answer that as far as the entire place. There's going to be different kinds of storage, but we're in good shape for kitchen because there's a little mother-in-law apartment downstairs. that we're going to use that has a little kitchenette in it so i feel like mug overflow

goes down there all right because i mean and you know i'm 99.9 percent of the time i side with on on all things because she and i are extremely similar in our approach to life but in this one case i feel like you know y'all are buying a home uh you're buying your forever home and And the idea that this is now the time to get rid of a bunch of stuff instead of, you know, like bringing something that's important to you. And again, I don't my guess would be that it's not like you're you're being stopped from bringing this coffee cup into the new home. But I just think it's it's it's interesting to me that it sounds like Veeves is taking this as a moment to kind of prioritize some of the possessions that you all have. because I guess my – I feel like my approach would be, oh, if I'm moving into a place with, like, maybe more storage and a garage and all – like, my temptation would be just to bring everything because why not?

In all seriousness, that is not Genevieve's vibe during this move at all. I think we're very excited to move into the big place, and I'm not just saying this to not, quote, unquote, get in trouble, but it's true that, like, we acknowledge that we don't have to make hard decisions with this one. We had to make hard decisions moving from L.A. to Seattle because of square footage and storage, And that that was that was the really tough one. And we talked about that a lot when we were looking at houses because we saw some houses that were, you know, very that were nicer and better kept than the one we ended up buying. But they didn't have anywhere near the same space. And both of us got a little bit. We would leave those houses after looking at them and thinking like, oh, that is we could we could invite people over tomorrow and the place would be ready for it and we'd be proud of it. But we had already started to feel like a little like, oh, but what am I going to do with those boxes of old books that I've been meaning to get bound for years? You know, like Genevieve has some antique books as just an example I thought of. Like we had done that move before where you have to make a bunch of really tough decisions and you have to put things in storage that is not convenient at all. Like you can't, you know, it goes away and then you never see it again because it's buried in the back of some tough shed or something. So anyway, I'm getting into too much detail here. But I will say that I don't want to paint Genevieve as being like super like, you know, coming down hard on it. In fact, this was the only thing I think that even came up. And she's I mean, she's not in the wrong. Like I have too many mugs. Like I have way more mugs than her. She tried to institute a one in one out policy with mugs a while ago. I tried to get around it by hiding some mugs way in the back recesses of a cupboard. She found she found my stash. OK. And there's nothing special about this mug. If you were to see this mug.

You were hiding your mugs inside some old Playboys?

I was. These are just regular Playboys. Don't open it. Oh, shoot. A mug came clattering out.

New Hampshire. Granite State Market Research mug. Don't look at the mug.

Don't look at the mug. But no, I understand why she would look at this plastic mug. Again, plastic. That's the sound of my fingernail hitting this mug. and think like, well, we're not keeping this thing, right? And I had to explain that. No, I was just using it. This was yesterday. I said, no, I was just using it this morning, sweetie.

But, you know, we should probably move on from mug talk. But I will just say there is something about a mug, a coffee mug, that is from some moment in your life. I would I would argue that coffee mugs are in the top five nostalgia generating objects in a home or maybe maybe they're the least thought of but most nostalgia inducing object in a home we might think about a photo album we might think about you know some special thing that was handed down through the family but I could walk out into the kitchen here in my apartment and bring down the mugs that I have and tell you the story of each one of them and how I got them and why. And I mean, and I also probably left a bunch in Bellingham that are now in storage in Bellingham that I will at some point unbox that all have stories. The one.

One that I'm using right now is a this is, of course, when I would never thought this is a Christmas gift from my daughter. It's a very designy Japanese coffee cup from a company called Hasami. And what's cool about it, Andrew, is it has a lid. So I'm going to put the mic down by it here and you can listen. So this is the coffee without the lid on. Now, I put this little lid on and it keeps my coffee warm so that my coffee stays warm through the break unless we go to the river, which is pushing even the abilities of this coffee cup. But I've got them from, like, the cafe in North Bend, Washington, where the Twin Peaks stuff happens, where he has the pie, tweeds or something. I have a cup from there that I just kind of like. I have the TBTL mugs that our listener made that were part of the TBTL-a-thon one year. I've got those. And even if it's a cup that's from a research company in New Hampshire, it's like that just took you on a total journey, that cup. you know so anyway i'm not arguing for or against um marie condoizing our lives i'm just saying i think we don't think about how much coffee mugs particularly if they come from a time in our life or from a particular funky restaurant we used to go to or whatever are kind of cool because they do come with this whole backstory and sort of set of memories that are that are fun they're the diaries of the kitchen luke wow that's things just got profound yeah or are they the photo albums of

the kitchen i guess photo album is even more dated than diaries they're the memory palaces

of caffeination oh hey can i just say one thing about your mug that you're using right now

because it sounds like this is a nice mug you mentioned it has a lid where i think my brain automatically thinks oh a coffee cup with a lid that's a travel mug but it sounded when you closed it it was like it sounds like it's all ceramic like that lid is a ceramic this is not to be confused with any kind of a travel mug situation no the whole thing is ceramic it's

this black mat it has a very satisfying um sort of feel in your hand it almost feels it's got a lot of grip to it and it um uh yeah the the lid is you couldn't take this in your car i mean it's just a standard coffee mug but it has this lid that you can put on it which again i there's something also about that just it's hard for me to explain again obviously it's a gift from my daughter so that right there puts it very high on my list of things i like but there's just something nice about knowing that there's a lid and that the coffee is going to get cold at a less rapid rate there's like so when i wash it i'm you know carefully washing the lid making sure nothing happens to the lid i wash the cup it's like extra steps but in kind of an intentional way that makes me happy oh who are you talking to i know that speaking of extra steps i feel like i've got a real or at least you know i don't know the general domestic situation here at my place andrew i feel like i have a real um what's the disney movie where is the sorcerer's apprentice where the like wizard mickey mouse wizard like he makes it so all these brooms and mops are working for him and then i think he gets out of control that's how that goes i've seen that scene before i think

although i'm no expert on that movie at all but i feel like i've got that going on right now i have

the washing machine going I have the dishwasher going and Randy is buzzing around somewhere in the background. It's like I have all of the robots in the apartment just working on things while daddy's at work and when I emerge from this room I'm going to find out how it all went. I hope it hasn't gone into a real sorcerer's apprentice type of deal.

While we're talking about coziness or how do you say it? There's an apartment building in Portland named he of course there is um but there is the sound of a dishwasher running in the other room while you're watching tv in the evening or the sound of a um of a washing machine filling up or doing the spin cycle any of that's like that humming in the background is so comforting to me it must have something to do with like taking me back to my childhood or something it's just everything just feels safe and and warm and you know what getting clean although in this case i really don't even think that's part of it it's just like the sound of those appliances running in the background i find comforting in the same way that i mentioned with your ice machine even the occasional tumble i don't have an ice machine myself because you know i don't work four jobs like you do to afford an ice machine but also let's be honest if you

didn't have ice making and garbage there'd be a couple of pretty big holes in your life you i

could i listen i fantasize a lot about an ice machine i want an ice machine it's not really practical right now for various reasons but no even if I had an ice machine I would find ways to putter with the ice I would maybe take it out of the ice machine and put it in a special like a special container so that the ice machine could make more ice I would still find ways to play with ice I love ice you're not getting between me and my ice but anyway the soft clunk of a a bunch of ice breaking off and in an automatic freezer in the other room that is also comforting

to me i think the dishwasher thing is typically although what's happening today sort of belies this but like for me i mean because i'm running the dishwasher in the daytime but typically it's like it's nighttime the dinner is done so you've got a full belly the kitchen has been cleaned up it's kind of the last thing is you get everything all clean and done and then all the dishes in the dishwasher and then you hit go and then it's like now is the sort of prime time of the night you're sitting down you're relaxing it's like some that's when the that's when dishwashers are doing their

thing yeah absolutely you put on you put on maybe a uh maybe you put hey you know what how about this maybe you put on some wheel of fortune and you kick back for the evening although well

normally that would be a relaxing experience for me but not of late for reasons that i'm going to explain to you when we come back from this short break here on tbtl stay with us we was hoping for

some razzle dazzle razzle dazzle that's right man razzle dazzle on your mark on your mark get set

now ready ready go everybody razzle dazzle everybody razzle oh boy andrew it's time to thank some dazzling donors but i had a minor catastrophe happen here in the broadcast center my little kitchen timer that I use to know where we are at in time and space during the recording, it tipped over, and the battery came out of the back, and so now I'm starting at zero again. Do you want me to give you a time check every now and then? We're about 28.30 into the show right now. Or don't, and we'll just do like a six-hour show today, which will make like two listeners happy. But we do, speaking of our listeners, And listeners who are apparently happy with this programming We've got some dazzling donors to thank These are donors who are dazzling us with the dough that they're donating Folks like Robin Degrassi James In Wheat Ridge, Colorado That's evocative Yeah it is I can just imagine it Just a valley full of corn That's what comes to my mind In my dazzling donor message last year You mistakenly credited me with creating the Denver dossier Yeah sure Robin, mistakenly What are you running from? What are you hiding from? I'm just saying that was all along. That was a long con so that you would then need to continue your dazzling donor status to correct the record. Every mistake that we make during the dazzling donor messages is very intentional and very much designed to keep up the hashtag engagement. Exactly. It worked. Yep. Because here's Robin once again donating to the show. You mistakenly credited me with creating the Denver dossier. It was, in fact, Rachel in Denver who created that amazing pitch, and I have felt terribly guilty all year for inadvertently stealing her thunder. Please reallocate all of the glory to Rachel, the rightful owner of said glory. And please do come to Denver. You know, here it comes. There was a decent chance that was going to happen, Denverites. And then something happened with a little guy named Mr. Unlimited. And no, we very much need to come to Denver. And it will happen, despite the fact that Russell Wilson will be suiting up for the Broncos. I wish you all well over there. Russell, Lucifer, the whole city, the whole place. Secondly, Robin says, I don't normally like to get on a soapbox. but I decided to use this opportunity to alert the tens to a cause that is very important to me in the spring and fall millions of birds migrate at night to and from their seasonal habitats light pollution is a serious environmental concern for people and wildlife at the time but it's deadly for birds during migration as artificial light attracts and disorients them

causing exhaustion window strikes vulnerabilities and many fatalities If you can, please take steps to minimize your contribution to light pollution all year round by shielding outdoor lights and by turning off outside lights during migration periods. You can learn more by Googling Lights Out Audubon. Thanks, friendos. i have been having a lot of bird empathy the last i don't know six to eight months andrew because i happened to read something i forget where it was online about what actually happens to birds when they migrate and how just intense it is on their bodies and how close they're cutting it in terms of just surviving it may have been because you know there are accounts of of large numbers of birds just kind of falling out of the sky um dead and that often happens because they'll be flying somewhere where they maybe used to be

able to land on a lake or a something and now because of whether it's climate change or human intervention or whatever like if there's a place that these birds used to land and kind of like catch their breath as it were and that thing's not accessible and they got to go an extra 10 miles that could be the difference between them making it i mean their bodies re depending on how far they migrate and what kind of bird they are their bodies actually literally refashion themselves Certain internal organs shrink to make room for enlarged other internal organs like it is miraculous and also intense what happens to migratory birds. And again, because I read about this now, I can't get it out of my mind. And so anything that makes the migration of these birds, particularly small birds that don't have a lot of, you know, muscle mass and sort of body fat or whatever, like, let's try to make it – let's try to help these birds out if we possibly can. So I don't think that's a soapbox, Robin. I think that's – like a soapbox would be like if you were promoting your Tupperware business or something. Actually, that's not even true. Soapbox would be more like – I don't know. Do you think Robin was on a soapbox?

I think – I understand. Yeah, I think that Robin's using that properly. Certainly, yeah. Like, getting on my soapbox because I'm going to say something that's important to me. Yeah. Yeah.

I guess that's accurate. I just think of soapbox, I have such a negative connotation with it, and I feel, like, very positive about what Robin is saying here. I always think of, like, someone getting on their – I guess when I think of someone getting on their soapbox, I think of someone getting up and calling attention to something that I don't care about. But in this case, I definitely care about what Robin is talking about.

I'm going to do something here that is unprecedented. and maybe ill-advised, okay, but I think Robin would be okay with this, okay, because Robin mentions Rachel in her Dazzling Donor message, and we did get a message from Rachel on the voicemail line about a week ago that is relevant to something you just said, Luke, and I want you

to hear this. Hi, Luke and Andrew. This is Rachel from Tensor. I have been reading about this Russell wilson story um all day and i just want to say that i am petrified of this story and i just want you to know we love you um the ten rights support you please don't be too mad at us and limited

power up does that how does that does that appeal to you luke does that um soften you a bit it

It absolutely does because, again, the good folks of Denver, they did nothing wrong. In fact, I don't think anybody did anything wrong in this situation. The Denver Broncos should be trying to put the best team on the field they can. The folks who live in Denver and Colorado should be excited about their team. And even I would say the folks in Seattle probably made the right call in terms of getting the maximum value for Russell Wilson that they could. and hopefully building a better team in the long run. I don't think anybody in this situation did anything wrong at all. Of course, it just is a sad thing to not have a really, really good quarterback on our team, and now he's on another team. But, Rachel, thank you for the call. I appreciate it, and, yes, I don't hold anyone in the Centennial State. Is that what Colorado's state nickname is? I don't know. I've never heard that before. in the centennial state guilty of this at all and i also have to say i think the broncos have gotten a lot better i think who knows maybe y'all will go to the super bowl but boy there's a special kind of frustration when russell wilson holds onto that ball for 1.4 seconds too long that you soon will also be able to enjoy for all the sadness about this guy leaving uh i would say that there is also a limited there is a special kind of pain to russell wilson taking a sack that he probably didn't have to take that now you all will get to enjoy as well so it's not all in all

sunshine it's a break you know what it's just like a breakup right or any kind of maybe change in life that might seem negative on the surface your brain immediately starts looking for those silver linings or what have you and so right now you're focusing on like kind of the negative aspects of Russell Wilson like I that's what I need to do to exactly like that unlimited thing I rewatched that the other day and it was like the whole thing like you play that unlimited and it's a little bit cringy but when you actually rewatch that entire one minute video of him calling himself Mr. Unlimited and not making really any sense at one point Sierra is it is his wife's name Sierra yeah Sierra off screen yells who's your role model unlimited like that doesn't even make sense what does he have an unlimited number of role models it is it is the worst

I mean, you'd rather hear me talk about my bearded lips all day long than to watch that thing again. So it's easy to kind of latch on to those things. You're like, you know what? Maybe saying goodbye isn't so tough.

There's sort of, you know, there's a good and a bad. There's a push and a pull, Andrew, to everything. And for all of the skyballs that Russell Wilson will be throwing to Jerry Judy and all the cool things will be happening in Denver next year, there will also be some downsides. And I guess you'll all get to experience those just like we have in Seattle. But anyway, thank you, Robin, for supporting the show. And thank you, Rachel, for calling in with that apology. We do appreciate it. Maestro?

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, rattle.

Our other dazzling donor we need to thank today is Karen McManus in Seattle, Washington. Karen says, i've listened to this deer pod cart every day since covid hit while working on a jigsaw puzzle honestly out minus the tbtl that sounds like a pretty good way to get through the pandemic some some jigsaw i i'm putting jigsaw puzzle on the list of the many things that i aspire to do the in terms of the kind of person i aspire to be you know like i aspire to be the kind of person whose interior has quieted down enough like the interior of my mind that i can sit and maybe enjoy a nice cup of tea or a cup of coffee or something and just puzzle through a jigsaw puzzle i unfortunately have fried the receptors in my brain i have i've jacked up the serotonin through too many synthetic means that i don't know i mean it was it's going to take me a long time to get to where i can sit and do a jigsaw puzzle and have that be enough if you will so i'm very envious uh karen i think that's pretty cool that you can sit there with a jigsaw puzzle and and um and while away the hours if you have the

right person in your life i think you can become a puzzle person if that person is right because

it's a conversation it's a thing you do while you're chatting

I never do it well I mean I think a lot of people like to do it solo it's a way of kind of like maybe kind of bringing some stillness to their mind but I would never be motivated myself to break out a puzzle but Vives and I did go through a little puzzle phase in LA and I think it started because oh shoot I can't remember who sent it to me it might have been a listener it actually might not have been but somebody in my life sent me a puzzle and it was a two-sided puzzle i believe one side was a david bowie album cover and the other side was a different album cover and suddenly there was this i've never even heard of that yeah it's a two-sided puzzle and the puzzle puzzle was a thing and it was a square it was like a it was like a um yeah it's like a recreation of an album cover anyway um because suddenly there was one in my life i'm like all right clear off the dining room table let's do this and then genevieve just took to it like a bird to flight or like a a dug to flight and um and then we started doing them together then we started making regular pilgrimages to the k-mart the last k-mart in america i believe uh in la it was bombed out my friend oh i'm trying to remember

what road is on it was a major drag um would you say the most depressing la two-step would be going to that Kmart to get a present that you're taking to a kid's birthday party at the Chuck E. Cheese

near McCartney Park? Oh, God, that Chuck E. Cheese. I stepped over a pile of human feces outside of the Chuck E. Cheese one time.

Start out the Kmart. Oh, we gotta get little Ronnie a present. You gotta go to the Kmart and get a present because the birthday is at the Chuck E. Cheese. That would be a pretty bleak Sunday. Yes.

I bet you know this Kmart, too. I mean, it's on a very, very famous drag. It's not too far away from the Tar Pits, in fact.

what road is the tarp it's on anyway it doesn't matter um brea area yes in the labrea area but

it's not on labrea anyway um and i remember the the puzzles and toys and stuff were in the basement of this place so you take this escalator down this oh the basement of a k-mart oh the basement of a k-mart isn't that where peewee's bike was oh yes and you have to pull out this long chain to lock your car up anyway um yeah but anyway we started it became kind of a thing like once a puzzle was in our life we started seeking out more puzzles and we for a while there for a few months or something we always had a puzzle going on the table and it was great but then once you fall out of the habit of it um you know we never fell back in yeah i i think i can see it i can see

it happening in my life at some point um but i'm just not there yet i'm glad karen is it sounds like this was something that was soothing for as somehow was tbtl karen says thanks for the smiles and the laughs, I feel happy of myself because I am a 10.

Well, we feel happy of ourselves, Karen, to have you as a 10, and also we feel appreciative of ourselves that you're supporting the show with your dazzling donations. So thank you very much. Couldn't do this without you. Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right, let's talk about this Wheel of Fortune news, which is when I saw the headline, I thought that it was a story of another bunch of contestants who couldn't get a very easy, the answer to a very easy question. In fact, that might have even been how it sort of appeared on the headline about getting something wrong. And I thought, OK, well, we'll just, you know, we were very big on the another feather in the lap issue that happened a few weeks ago. So I thought, well, maybe this is a trend and I can we can chat it up, Andrew and I. And then I like dug into the story and I was, as you were, Andrew, fairly shocked about what was actually going on. So the category was song lyrics, and you basically had 90% of the letters had been discovered for the Eurythmic song, Sweet Dreams. And, I mean, you know, I don't need to necessarily play this song, but I'll just remind folks.

Sweet dreams are made of this. Who am I to disagree? Travel the world and the seven seas.

And the it was basically sweet dreams are made of tea and then some blanks and the contestant I there isn't apparently tape of this that I can find Andrew. I scoured the internet today for the footage There doesn't seem to be any footage from wheel of fortune They're just people tweeting about it talking about it and reacting to what happened So it was sweet dreams are made of tea and then blanks and the guy said as We all would have Sweet dreams are made of these Because that's a song You just heard Annie Lennox sing it Sweet dreams are made of these Who am I to disagree And Pat Sajak said No I'm sorry that's wrong And it turns out That that song is called Sweet dreams are made Of this That can't be right

Sweet dreams are made of this But then Annie Lennox goes on To rhyme it with these Or a C's is in there B's and seven C's Like I read Surprise and shocked Don't even cover it

How would you describe the status of your flabbergast button

Has it been pressed I don't touch that drop anymore I can't recreate it It's a trap But that's why I said gobsmacked That's for some reason I can put my I can pronounce that But At first I was just shocked And then I was immediately incredulous Like it's just And now have you moved into the stage of anger Yes yes incredulous was definitely Just knocking on the door of anger because I'm sure somewhere in the Official lyrics it is listed as That oh it is But I just but it rhymes With C's

What are you doing What is going on I mean I know that we think of Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart as being you know sort of international treasures people love the music of Eurythmics I have to be honest with you it never totally worked for me because it has a sort of ominous sound to it at least the style of kind of synth heavy the music that Eurythmics was making in the 80s was never the stuff that I really liked because it always had a sort of ominous tone to it just the actual music now that being said Annie Lennox came out with a song later called no more I love you which I actually loved and it was funnily enough a very different kind of more sort of ethereal light sound so I don't think it's I'm anti Annie Lennox I think it's that Eurythmics just always stressed me out plus the videos like the video for this song it was I don't think my 12 year old brain could understand like S&M imagery and I don't know if that's what Annie Lennox was going for but there was something very dominatrix about it to my child mind that also made me feel uncomfortable i don't remember it that well i just remember you know

annie lennox had a very severe look it was that i was not a big i was not a big eurythmics or annie lennox person either genevieve is that was one of the first things i learned about genevieve one point maybe it was her favorite band that's why she likes that larue bulletproof song i could see that sounds like it could have been a eurythmics song yep i could see that totally

yeah but again annie lennox what are you doing sweet dreams are made of this who am i to disagree what are you even saying that i just i'm not dreams are made of this who am i to disagree is what the lyric Traveled the world in the seven sis?

Seven sis. Yes. Everybody's looking for something. If it's going to be sweet dreams are made of this, you have to change those next two rhymes. Also, it doesn't help that Annie Lennox sounds like she's singing the word these. Take a look.

Sweet dreams are made of these. Who am I?

I mean, like, what are you doing to us? I mean, I guess now that we're having this conversation, I think it has always stuck in my head that these wouldn't be necessarily. Well, it's not grammatically incorrect. Disagree. And these. Well, these just seems like sweet dreams are made of this does make more sense than sweet dreams are made of these. Taking it out of the context of the song. You know what I mean? Like you're having an experience. You'd be like, wow, sweet dreams are made of this. Not sweet dreams are made of these. You also wouldn't talk like that. But it's their lyrics. But but in this case, like it just it just make it these it's so I'm so frustrated right now. And then after reading this story, what am I doing? I'm bopping around my kitchen, pouring my favorite mug full of coffee, singing to myself, sweet dreams are made of these. And then being like, don't like, what are you doing? Don't gaslight us.

You're right, though. If you took this if you took that phrase out of the context of a song, you would it would make less sense to say sweet dreams are made of these. Unless, I guess you could be like, sweet dreams are made of these, and you sort of do that thing with your hand where you kind of go like, voila, sweet dreams are made of these, and it's like a puzzle that you're working on, and like a cup of warm cider, and a sun is setting in the background. You could say, sweet dreams are made of these, and kind of, but really, sweet dreams are made of this. This is what sweet dreams are made of. Would make more sense. But then why would Annie Lennox then go the extra mile of rhyming these, singing it so it sounds like these, and then rhyming it with things that rhyme with these? And why did she not then just change the name of the song? I really want to know the – I want the story on how this song got this title is officially Sweet Dreams Are Made of This, but then went on to rhyme with these and sound like these.

Wait, is the title of the song Sweet Dreams Are Made of This? It's just Sweet Dreams is just the title, right? Parenthetically are made of this. Oh, wow. So it's, okay. Okay, okay. I got to say I need to, that changes things for me. I didn't realize, if you said that before, I didn't quite latch on.

I went to Spotify today to grab the irony that Spotify is always trying to whack our mole. And I had to grab this. But just this part of the song.

I went and got this from Spotify today

And I noted that the song is listed as Sweet dreams, parenthetically, are made of this

Yes, and I'm looking at it on YouTube Yes, it's sweet dreams are made of this That does change it for me The fact that you're putting it Because this song did not come out in an era When everybody released their lyrics, right?

Was looking for something?

I remember the very, very first time I sat down behind a computer Somebody said you can look up anything in the world And I started looking up Sonic Youth lyrics I'm not joking because I had no idea what they were saying In a lot of songs and I was obsessed with them Of course some albums did have liner notes With the lyrics going back to the Beatles But it wasn't An expectation the way it is now The second a song is released You can go to Genius.com and see what the lyrics are And maybe even what the context is So if you release A song title that is a number one Hit for probably a very Very long time and it it stands the test of time and it's actually in the title Sweet Dreams parenthetically are made of this that sort of changes it a little bit for me she was putting it out there she wasn't trying to be coy because I honestly my brain rejected this information so hard that I was like is Wheel of Fortune doing this on purpose now because they've gotten a couple of headlines and now they realize they can kind of troll us and by the way I'm all for that people talking about game shows on Twitter delights me like that's so much better than the other things we could be talking about on Twitter I have no problem with some social media managers and writers for Wheel of Fortune getting together and saying hey how can we ride this buzz I think that's what you should do if that's if you're good at your job so I but I was rejecting this I was like they're putting this in here just to create like maybe technically somewhere the lyrics are written down as this But if it's in the actual title of the song, I guess I have a little bit of egg on my face. But I still feel uncomfortable with this whole thing. I don't think that all songs have to rhyme, by the way. I do think all poems have to rhyme. And that is, I think any poem that doesn't rhyme. Oh, I disagree. Every poem in the world.

should rhyme um and when i read i didn't even know i was doing poetry but um obviously songs don't have to rhyme that's not the argument we're making but you are clearly doing some sort of rhyming thing here because when you sing it you say these we can all hear it we have two ears and

a heart now to further bolster your point andrew this was also off of an album called sweet dreams are made of this holy i'm at the wikipedia page now the song became a breakthrough hit establishing the duo worldwide so like i will say i mean i was okay this was in 1983 so i was seven years old i think you know if you were if you were young at the time or not born i think it would be understandable that we don't know the actual name i guess if you were around at the time and kind of like an adult and you were sort of aware of pop music you probably would have maybe seen this album cover or seen it written down somewhere now i'm in here trying to figure out the kind of like origin of the song itself itself i guess annie lennox and dave stewart had a band called the tourists that they were in and they were also a romantic couple and then they that band broke up and then they formed eurythmics and they also broke up as a couple according to lennox the Lyrics reflect the unhappy time after the breakup of the tourists when she felt that they were, quote, in a dream world and that whatever they were chasing was never going to happen. She described the song as saying, look at the state of us. How can it get worse? Adding, I was feeling very vulnerable. The song was an expression of how I felt, hopeless and nihilistic. Stewart, however, thought the lyrics were too depressing. And he added the hold your head up, moving online at the end of the song to make it more uplifting. Commenting on the line Some of them want to use you Some of them want to be abused Lennox has said People think it's about sex or S&M And it's not about that at all So seven-year-old Luke had it wrong About S&M sex once again

Well, you were still learning You had it all figured out by eight and a half

Yeah, exactly So that doesn't really explain how it is That the song is clearly rhyming with a word That is not the word that we think it is But like you said Andrew I don't think they were trying to be coy about it I don't think they were trying to trick people But it is a bit of an odd thing And it does to me Raise the question of if Wheel of Fortune You brought this up the other day We were kind of talking about how Jeopardy tends to be part of the pop culture conversation In a way that Wheel of Fortune typically isn't And I wonder if that doesn't have to do with Well first of all the host passing away um you know of jeopardy and all that but just kind of like also who the fans of these respective shows are and you you were wondering if like there if wheel has some sort of concerted strategy to try to enter the conversation more and if they don't they've just been on a hot streak of getting into the conversation a lot lately the kind of cultural pop cultural conversation but now i was wondering are they like did they pick this song because they knew that somebody was going to get it wrong like i'll let me put it this way if i was looking at a board that said blank dreams are made of this i would be flummoxed because i would be like well i'm this looks like the eurythmic song but it's clearly not there's no way it can be because i know it's sweet dreams are made of these like is it possible that the wheel of fortune folks picked this because they knew there was a likelihood someone would screw it up and it would start a cultural conversation

although now i'm thinking about it and i wonder if other people have been frustrated during this whole thing that's a different number of letters i'm suddenly now picturing this i guess i was i was so focused on the lyrics that i'm now actually picturing what the board would look like these has five letters this has four if you're the contestant and again you're nervous if you spell it in the

english way if it has a uh pound sign at the end ah no it's pounds pound sign this not pound not like hashtag i'm talking like the british pound like l but you're joking though yes okay i'm

missing something here um yeah i mean like but i guess if you're looking at that you would your brain would sort of go into tangles right you'd be looking at the word you're like oh wait i can't it can't be these so maybe that would be your clue that would be at least a clue there but i don't know i'd be so flummoxed in that situation i don't think i'd get to this because i think like again this unicorn brain exploded my mind too much. Well, now

we all know, at least the TBTL listeners know and people who watch Wheel now know that it's sweet dreams are made of this, so please I don't know, go forth thusly into the world Speaking of going forth into the world, at least in the early evening here in the Northwest, it looks like, Andrew, we are getting pretty close to I'm sorry. staying permanently on daylight saving time versus standard time so this is this new york times article by luke broadwater and amelia nirenberg uh actually lays out some good things one i've never they just have a point where they're talking they're toggling back and forth between daylight saving and standard and then they just put standard and they put parenthetically winter and that was the first time i've ever been able to go oh that's what the that's oh okay so standard time that's just winter that's when it's dark that's the standard time and daylight saving time is what we're switching over to to try to get more use of the daylight and i know that but

it's one of those things where my brain always does have to take a second to think about it like an extra second or two almost like i think you've admitted on the show that part of your brain has to take a second to think about left and right i'm not trying to throw you out of the yeah and so like i what you just said i know that but there is something a little bit easier about just thinking winter time or summer time in that well here's the problem and i think supposedly

benjamin franklin kind of started this idea because he was in actually i believe he was in paris and he was noticing that it would be light early in the morning and he would not be getting his full use of those light hours and so he noticed he was like why don't we just move it all back a bit the problem is daylight saving is a that's a misleading way to describe it it should be called daylight maximizing daylight if they called it daylight maximizing i would not be confused by this because daylight saving sounds like you're doing something where you're storing up daylight for a different time or something and really what you're doing is you're saying hey it's it's kind of light light in the morning and dark in the afternoon so what if we all just agree to move everything ahead by an hour so that it's light longer in the afternoon even though we're going to lose a little bit of light in the morning you're just maximizing the the daylight um now this is something that's been you know being being agitated for for a long time particularly from western states uh you know it was like california had to agree to it as an idea uh washington and oregon are on board but you have pretty much every every state in the west saying that that that does the the spring forward thing saying yeah let's just stay on that and yet it wasn't really going anywhere back in congress and then of all people marco rubio decided to ask for basically a unanimous consent vote the other day which was not like everyone's going to come in and vote it's basically saying like i want to do this thing does anybody have a problem with it and nobody had a problem with it the sunshine state luke think yes and also i mean now listen oh you know what no no i guess that has to do with the bulge of the earth i was gonna say Wouldn't it be that in, like, Florida you have the least – I feel like Florida would be one of the less impacted states from this because of their proximity to the equator. Like, basically, if you're on the equator, I think you're in the most consistent – it's the least sort of variance, if you will, or there's the least amount of extreme contrast between the dark part of the year and the light part of the year. If you think about it, what happens at the North Pole, that's where you get days and days of sunlight, like unbroken daylight, like it never gets dark for like weeks. And then it also almost never gets light for weeks at the poles would be the most extreme version of this. And then as you work your way down to the equator, the kind of middle bump of the earth, it's the least kind of notable. So like Miami is much closer to the equator than, say, Nome, Alaska. So it's interesting that this was a Marco Rubio thing.

That is interesting, although we're celebrating some real bipartisanship in the chambers lately, what with daylight saving time and the conflict in Ukraine. So I think it's maybe all just part and parcel of the same thing.

Let's take advantage of these moments while we can. Maybe we're entering an unprecedented moment of comity for these folks. But yeah, so Rubio gets up and just is like, hey, I want to do this thing. anybody got a problem with it and like either no one had a problem with it or they were in the bathroom so it was like okay cool this is going through now it's got to go over to the house where um it seems like most of the it i don't it's there are not a lot of people lining up to say we wanted to get dark at 4 30 in the afternoon like in terms of like politicians i don't know if that's a constituency that that that if they really have a constituency for that like the only people that seem to be saying this is a bad idea are sleep scientists and you know me i love my sleep i treasure my sleep and they make some kind of compelling arguments about how you know springing forward and staying permanently in that mode is potentially not great for our sleep patterns because think about when you're camping i mean do you ever now listen Then... Obviously, if you're camping and you put your tent where there's a root and you don't have your air mattresses deflating, it's very possible to not sleep well while camping. But my experience is I usually sleep really well when I'm camping and also go to bed way earlier because it gets dark out. And then what are you going to do? And then you go get in bed. And then when it gets light, it kind of wakes you up. And then you're like, I'm awake now. Like, I feel like if I lived in the wilderness without electricity, there'd be a lot that would be hard for me, but I think I would sleep a lot better because we're wired to kind of go to sleep when it gets dark and kind of get up when it gets light. And by pushing this all off by an hour, we're putting our bodies out of rhythm to some degree with what the natural light and dark cycles are of this planet.

it this is a for an issue that i don't have a strong opinion on boy do i feel like i have a lot to say because here's the deal like honestly it doesn't bother it does not bother me one way or the other in fact grumbling about the fact that we have to move our clocks back or forward has become just part of the tradition as well like it doesn't it's not an earth-shattering thing for me it doesn't mess up my entire week having said that I have been shadow boxing with Paul F. Tompkins uh the past couple of days who we started the program with yes with his his rant about like get over it it's not that it's not that hard and thank you to the listener who sent that in to me I'm sorry that I can't recall who it was off the top of my head uh Annie what's that was it Annie maybe I'm not sure um but uh I uh I thought it was funny and like when we're texting about it Luke I think the the standout line is is this milk still good that's a really funny joke but having said that and I know that he's just doing a bit or whatever but I actually think that I've been seeing some people online saying hey you know I was kind of complaining about having trouble getting used to the new time change and getting a hard time about it from my co-workers saying hey it's just like one hour it's not that big of a deal but the thing is like there is a lot more that goes into it now I guess as our technology gets more and more modern and maybe I'm just living in an old-fashioned lifestyle but like the clocks will maybe all change automatically at some point but we are not living in that world right now I got in the car the other day like I changed all the clocks in the house right but then I got in the car a couple of days later and I'm looking at the clock and then I realized oh shit the car clock doesn't change by itself I need to change that for a it was fine i wasn't late for anything but it was a disorienting moment also let's talk about clocks want to talk about clocks luke good in my kitchen alone there are four clocks that need to be manually reset coffee maker where's my bell coffee maker i've got one right here good we'll double bell it coffee maker um microwave microwave stove and the analog clock that we the cute little diner clock that we have hanging on the wall like that right there that's a half hour it's not a half hour but you know it you have to remember also like the microwave is some sort of i don't know what the brand is from like northern europe or something like i don't remember how to change the clock on that damn thing it's such a pain in the ass every little uh device like that has a different way of hacking into it to change the clock you get in the car that's different i have two computers in my office one of them uh will automatically change the other one i have to go in and tell it to change i have a a wall clock in my office um that's an analog clock i had to take that down it's such a pain to hang back up because it's one of those things where the hook is on the back of it but you can't see the hook when you're trying to affix it to the wall like it is more than just like oh my whole day is out of whack because of this time

thing like it's more it's more those bullies who are saying that um it's no big deal there is a little bit more to it than they're giving credit for having said that i also am fine if they never change it and it goes back and forth back and forth it's a tradition i don't care i almost

think for you uh because like one of the things you said recently that i was i don't know why i keep thinking about this because you you've established this before it's not like it's shocking news to me but we were talking about eating pastrami sandwiches in los angeles and i think we were talking about maybe johnny's or one of those places and i was saying how it's like sitting outside at like a picnic table outside of a johnny's yeah and just like having a big old pastrami sandwich is just like so delightful and you were like well that's not probably for me like you were like eating outside is not a super appealing thought to you no in fact

johnny's they have a you're right they have all those picnic tables i never once even entertained the idea of eating outside at johnny's i always ate at the diner but it's and what i think of

with that is that i think you are definitely less bothered by like is it sunny outside today or not or is it drizzling or uh you know is it what time is it getting dark it just seems like those aren't things that affect your emotional state nearly as much as they affect mine no definitely by the way that's one of the arguments that the pro staying in sprung forward mode in other words keeping daylight saving all the year round there's an argument that it is psychologically a thing for people and i will say not to overdo it i don't care about the clock changing um that's not i mean although you're right andrew there are a lot of there are a lot of clocks to deal with um so it's not it's not like zero effort or zero hassle in people's lives but i i can live with the clock changing stuff i do really and truly feel a sense of a kind of a depression when i think about entering the period of the year where it's going to regularly be dark at you know 4 30 in the afternoon like i do have there is an emotional component of that that is real in my life you know that is not just trying to have a personality like i don't you know i don't like it when we fall back is not a personality but i think about that a lot like i think how do i get through this and like how do i like becca and i will send back these little updates like it's 14 days until we do this until the sun sets at this time and when we you know like i was like we were counting it down because it really it does hit me and and the you know the people who look at the sort of emotional and social side of this are saying that it really does for a significant number of people bum them out pretty hard when it's getting dark that's what kind of feels like the middle of the day that's what the scientists

say they issue to report this is for many people it bums them out pretty hard and so that's the

official finding there now i mean i i you know you're i don't know if you're in the minority or the majority with that but yeah definitely people like you and genevieve need the light and sun way more than i do i always say this like i want it to be a little bit warmer like here in seattle I like it when it's overcast and even if that means there's a little bit of drizzle, I'm fine with that because it keeps the temperatures warmer I hate it in the middle of the winter here where you have a really sunny day because it means it's really cold because it's clear and there are no clouds keeping the warmth in and those are the coldest days and I don't like the cold so we all have our different feelings about these things but the way you describe it so intensely and the way you have for the past for as long as we've been working together it makes me think that you might you know probably it sounds like you have seasonal affective disorder like it sounds like that's a

real thing I do and it goes back to being a kid growing up in Seattle and just I remember and I think I brought this up probably fairly recently but I have one of those weird just childhood kind of just frozen you know frozen in time little moments in my mind and I remember being really little and being I think it was at a Wendy's off of Lake City but it was it was somewhere in the greater lake city area and i was sitting with my mom in some kind of like fast food restaurant uh i'm you know i'd probably maybe she had picked me up from kindergarten or maybe we were just we used to take the bus everywhere because we only had one car as a family so maybe we had just and we would get off the bus on lake city and then we would walk up the hill to where we lived i just remember sitting in this place and looking outside and realizing that it was getting dark and feeling just a sense of sadness like as a little kid with nowhere to go nothing to do like it should have been immaterial to me what time it got dark because like i didn't have i wasn't jogging i didn't have an appointment to make you know like so i do think i've always been affected by it um probably more intensely than a lot of people um so but yeah it's it's definitely it's definitely something that plays on my mind and i'm i guess i'm hoping all in all i'm still hoping that they go ahead and just leave you know daylight saving in place although

it will here's full time just like stop you know go to a system where we're not bouncing back and

forth yeah no more switching back and forth we're gonna basically just stay in the maximizing the daytime light now the bad news is now what's going to start happening if we if this goes through and it has to pass the house and and biden has to sign it but like then does each state also have to

make the decision like does this just allow states yes to have more because there's a federal law

The other thing, too, is the history of this is wild. It's been changing. It has bounced back and forth innumerable times over the last hundred years as far as what states were doing, what states were not engaging with it, if it was federally regulated or not. What this is seeking to overturn is a federal law that does not allow states to freelance on this anymore. So overturning the federal law would just mean that now states could kind of do what they want to do.

But I thought they do, though, because isn't Arizona like half and half and like various.

Yes, I think those were maybe grandfathered in or they were already what they were. I don't think Indiana does it, maybe. Yeah. But but basically what this and this wasn't this couldn't even really this wouldn't even matter if California wouldn't hadn't agreed in principle, I guess, to go along with it because you can't have Washington on one time. then california on a different time so for a while it was trying to get all the states in the west to agree that they were going to stay on daylight saving time because it just wouldn't be practical to have um have it not be all uniform so they've got the states are all like yeah let's stay on it and now if this goes through it will the federal law that says states are not allowed to make their own decisions on this will then i think be um you know abolished or whatever i think all in all i hope they stay i hope they do do this i hope this does become the the permanent state of things again it will kind of stink in the mornings if you're somebody who wants to you know wake up with the dawn because now during those times of year where it was getting dark at 4 or 4 30 it will now be not getting light until 8 30 you know or nine so we're just changing i guess what part

of the day is weirdly dark yeah right and you know me like i will always sleep as late as i can given any situation i've obviously had jobs where i have to wake up i mean literally in the middle of the night to get in and i'll do that but just given my druthers if i don't have anything to wake up for i will sleep as late as possible so that you see where i would come down on this i don't give a shit if it's dark in the morning if i'm asleep you know right so uh we shall see by

the way it was listener ann who sent out the paul f thompkins tape listener and i don't know if this Anne goes by Annie or not so Anne I hope I didn't assign a nickname to you that you do not use but thanks for sending in the ball I used to have you know for for many years I had a I had a stand up comedy riff about daylight saving time and my whole thing was how like what I thought was the funny part of it was and this was you know sort of pre-internet days like when I was a kid growing up you know always the newscasters on Saturday night would be don't forget to spring forward you know like don't forget to change the clocks at 2 a.m one thing i always thought was funny was did anybody wait until 2 a.m to change the clocks like the official time instead of just doing it before you go to bed because there was you know that's the thing it's it's not at midnight it's at 2 a.m for some reason or at least on the west coast it was at 2 a.m yeah weird you know what you

said i was wondering whether or not i want to get into this let me say something as quickly as possible because that always makes the best radio um you talking about having that really bad feeling when you were a little kid knowing that it was going to be getting dark earlier however you put it i had something like that this doesn't make what i'm going to say i want you to know i realize is not rational but i almost have a issue with what people call the sunday scaries because i hate that name for them and i feel like i was the only one who is acknowledging that like way back

to being a kid now you were into the sunday scaries before it was a thing i didn't call

him that and i still don't call him that i'm just saying that because it's relatable but that sinking sort of depressed feeling that you get on a sunday even even if you don't have necessarily a super tough monday ahead of you just that sinking feeling of like well this is all dead time this is almost like sundays started to feel like garbage time sort of with this job that i have now i will say that i think that that feeling has gone away a great deal uh because i'm lucky and i don't i don't dread coming into work which means you know coming downstairs and talking to you i mean i dread the talking to you part of course no um posting the show though doesn't bother you not at all it's the talking that i don't like or the pushing of the knobs um no but obviously i love my job so i'm really lucky from that standpoint but i mean i remember being a little kid and like talking to my parents about like the sunday feeling like i i think i would i call them the sunday dreads i had a different name for but i would talk about it sunday saddies yeah right i was a sunday zaddy is what you're confusing um title maybe but uh anyway and then i sort of feel like i had that i had conversations with my family about it was like my kind of thing and then it sort of felt like it got appropriated or something which i know is not true but i'm just saying i know it's irrational but everybody's like all of a sudden like in the social media age everyone's like i have the sunday scaries i'm like that's not yours that's mine and that's not what

it's called i what's you know what's weird is and this is because i was very lucky in my in my young life where i like enjoyed going to school because i wasn't getting bullied i i saw school as i mean of course i didn't you know always want to get up at the early hour and get you know it wasn't like i loved the every bit of the process of school but i don't i don't remember being a kid and really feeling necessarily like the sunday the sunday zaddies um like you're describing about about school in real life i have definitely developed it much more as an adult but not even because my life my work life is bad because my work life is so great and i'm so lucky that i I have the jobs I have, but what happens is I always have like five.

things that i should have done the week before that i don't like right now it's like my taxes i have so much work to do on filing finishing the process of getting my income tax information to the people who i pay a handsome fee to do my taxes and i've just been putting it off and putting it off and it's like 80 done but the last 20 so going into every weekend is like okay uh next week is when i'm going to really buckle down and do you know these five or six things and then by sunday night i realize that now it's actually the time we're about to enter the time where i'm supposed to do the thing i've been putting off or dreading this is the week i'm supposed to go get my truck out of hawk at the auto place on burnside like and um uh and so i think i have a much more of a sense of that kind of sad dread as an adult than i did as a kid but i guess i feel lucky that as a kid i was sort of excited about the week because it meant i was gonna go you know we probably had a basketball game i was gonna maybe play in or we were doing spirit week at school or i just had a very lucky childhood where like i was kind of excited about whatever the world was whatever the world had in store uh coming up was like exciting to me and i have lost it as an adult to some degree and i may just try to recapture that well this reminds me of another conversation

that's actually a little bit closer to the daylight saving time conversation because even though the sundaes have oh by the way when i was in la and and just not just working really hard but just really really really stressed in a way that i hadn't dealt with in a really long time oh boy were those sundaes like they were the they were just like the pure you take the sunday saddies or whatever they call them and you just take the pure essence in one drop in an entire pot of chili this is why you this is why you thought what you hated were like hip beautiful la people waiting for brunch you just hated that it was sunday oh yeah no my my feeling about los angeles as a city changed significantly once i wasn't going into that job and i was doing this job with you full time and living the dream and suddenly i loved my neighborhood i had the time to go walk to the grocery store which was like i don't know maybe a half a mile away and walk back i didn't have time to do that shit when i was working around the clock and and also just kind of and when i wasn't working around the clock just carrying these demons in my head worrying around the clock worrying around the clock that was my that was my 1950s sock you were worrying the candle at both ends right yeah so um anyway but i still will get and genevieve and i have talked about this and no internet people call this the the fall saddies or whatever but like there we have these things that are built into us seasonally too that i think are established with the way we have our kids go to school the school calendar I think imprints on us for the rest of our lives so that that feeling of coming out of the holiday break coming out of like the kind of winter holidays the Christmas holidays you come out of that even if I don't have any big deadlines or anything that is like going to be pressing on me I still get that feeling of oh the holidays are over time to go back to school you know and like and sometimes i have to say to myself wait a second no no no we have some deadlines like our my big deadlines i don't have anywhere near as many plates spinning as you my big deadlines are in the spring as we gear up for the tbtl-a-thon and a lot of plans have to be made and that's what and that's rational there are things on the horizon that i have to get done and so those will live in my brain and my stomach a little bit because that stress means that things will get done meaning that i'll just beg you to get them done now um but you know coming out of the holidays there isn't really anything like that usually for me given our work schedule that's still pretty like that's still a they hop on the line do some fun shows with luke time but i still get that feeling it's that back to school feeling

and you get it at the end of summer as well i i think what i would like to what i would like to sort of reconnect with or what i would like to develop maybe as a practice in my mind is because i i know exactly what you're talking about like i tend to live my life where i you know we we have a couple of weeks where we're off but playing the like winter games and the summer games i don't know some number of years ago when i became officially and fully really overscheduled it started to be this thing where my life was just trying to from a work standpoint keep my head slightly above water for 48 weeks out of the year and then there was four weeks where i didn't feel that way because i didn't have to do anything and so just living my life for those four weeks and again i cannot keep restressing this enough our job is fun my jobs are fun and easy compared to real jobs that people have i met some tens after livewire the other day i mentioned in one of them she's an er doc that's that's a job where one must be only barely able to keep their head above water, but I had, I slipped into a mode at some point. Like when I was in my twenties, I think I just really liked all my jobs. I was working in radio production and I would just be excited to go into work and do stuff. And I liked it. And I liked the culture that I liked hanging out with the people. I was just like, I don't know. I just felt, I never looked at the clock, you know? And then at some point I shifted into getting what I thought I wanted, which was like, Oh, I'm the person who talks into the mic or they point the camera at or whatever and my my sort of mental assessment of everything shifted to being like let's just get through all of this so then we can have two weeks in the summer where we lie by a swimming pool and I think I would like to try to reprogram my brain on that a bit because most of my life is the other 48 weeks yeah most of life is Monday through Friday most of life is not these things that I'm trying to get to so that then things will feel okay and if I could if I could reconnect With the idea that on a Sunday night I'm like Hell yeah I'm gonna tomorrow I could talk To my friend Andrew about You know Wheel of Fortune And the lyrics to Eurythmics I know Today is not Monday by the way in case people Think I'm confused oh man I've been so

Off since the clocks changed

But like is this milk still good Who's president

But like you know what I mean

It would be a very cool thing if any Of us but I'm just talking about myself here could get To a point where I was genuinely not just doing this Like to trick myself but I was genuinely like Hey it's a Sunday night And what I have in front of me are a bunch of Experiences over the next five days That I will be experiencing And some will be great and some will be less great But this is what life is I'm alive and I'm very lucky to be alive on this planet Ask anyone who's not alive They'll tell you It's cool to get to be alive on this planet

Run away from them though because

Ask Jeff Garlin in recent episodes ask any jeff garland ghost if being alive is better than being not alive it's like so there will be a time where i'm reaching the end of this journey and i'll probably you know my hope is that i will have lived and enjoyed and really gotten the full richness of the experience out of all of my life not just the parts of it that are the like quote unquote

fun or relaxing time well you know i need to tread carefully here because i don't want to be diagnosing you or saying anything that is um that is hurtful or anything but in fact we can cut this all out if if i do cross any lines in all seriousness but you have a very binging nature i mean i see everything that you just described with your time management across the course of the calendar year you kind of do the same thing with food and i think maybe in the past possibly drinking and stuff too because you will say like i just got to get through this if i can get through this day and fast and do my intermittent fasting and not eat not eat and not eat and then at night I can just crush as many piezones, as Pizza Hut apparently calls them, as I want, you know? No, what do they call them? Maybe they're just calling them piezones or something. Oh, a piezone? They're piezones. Well, they should be calzones, but they're calling the Batman ones. I think they call them a piezone, right? Because like a calzone, but it's pizza? They used to, but they're calling the Batman something else. They have the Batman calzoni or something like that now, which I don't understand. Now we'll crush about three of those tonight, probably. I know. I've gotten this off track. And again, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to lay your life or throw this back at you or whatever, but it is very similar. What you're describing is, and you and I together have been like, okay, we got to get through this week. But then after this really long week of road tripping or whatever, let's go ham on Saturday night, you know, or let's not eat and then binge. That's more your thing. And then you're kind of talking about doing that same thing with time across the course of the calendar year, essentially. And then you want to pack so much into those two weeks off that are split into – or I guess four weeks off that are split into two two-week sessions.

I don't take any offense to that, and I think you're totally right. I mean I think that is a struggle for me and something that I'll probably always be working on is just – I was thinking about this the other day. I was thinking like, I would like, I don't know how to exactly phrase it, but there are people who, for whom just regular life is like enough, like you can wake up in the morning and you can go to work and you can interact with your family and you can come home and you can, you know, maybe watch some TV and have some dinner and then go to bed and then it can be the next day. and like that's life and that rhythm is okay i am somebody who needs to have like that's okay for a few days for me but it's like i need to just have something going on that feels and you know i definitely get this from my mom my mom and dad who are like right now just flying back from florida where they for people who are basically semi-retired nobody goes to florida more than my parents for people who semi-retired from two jobs that didn't pay anything and granted they pay probably like $30 a ticket on Spirit and, you know, fly by way of God knows where. It's not like they're not... They're flying in the cargo bins. They are. My mom is in a wheel well of a spirit flight. Like my parents going to Florida is not because they waste money or because they are doing anything extra extravagant when they're there. They like stay with friends. But my mom is is a person who has you could describe it as wanderlust. My mom just getting up, living life, going to bed and doing it again the next day has always been, I think, challenging for my mom and have or at least having that feel satisfying. and i very much got the same sort of genetic and brain traits like you know getting up like again i love that this is a job that we're doing and doing this show but i also on some level like i got an email from the wait wait folks today saying do you want to do the show in wolf trap in august um and i was like yeah and then that's like a thing where it's like okay so the rest of my life isn't just standing in this small room talking about Pozones like there's a thing on the horizon like I just need I need what feels like excitement or like I'm going I need like these work trips even though these work trips are stressful for me I'm talking about like the TV stuff there's something about it that feels like action I guess that's really what it is I need a lot of action in my life and and I do mean with the ladies no I just need a lot of action and I would like to need less action I would like for the rhythms of what we consider to be regular life to be enough for me because in the seeking of all the action that's where like extreme behaviors around food drugs alcohol gambling things like that that's where that all gets kind of started

is needing more action in my life you know also I'm 45 it's like I can't like I need if I actually do have too much to drink which thankfully is a much more infrequent than it ever you know used to be i need like days after that like i can't i cannot live an action-filled life at 45 like it's it's not something i could physically do so and because really what i think of it what i think it is is for people for whom regular life is enough that's i'm really impressed by that because that's just that's a way of being in the world in a way of kind of like finding true happiness That's the other thing. And then we can go to emails after this. I think I talked about this on the show a while ago, but I was thinking about this thing that of the idea of pleasure versus happiness. And I think I'm the kind of person who really mixes up pleasure and happiness a lot. So, like, I want to be happy. So what do I do? I work my ass off so that I can make enough money so that I can go to Palm Springs so that I can lie by a pool so that I can get really drunk. That's pleasure. like it's pleasurable to be inebriated in the sunshine but is that happiness probably not like i feel like there are people who have happiness you know and i'm i'm i'm envious of that and i want to kind of get there at some point and not always just use pleasure in lieu of or in place of happiness because happiness is obviously a way better place to be you know than than just somebody who's basically a hedonist who's constantly trying to jam more pleasure into their experience because they think it'll make

them happy. Do you want me to train you how to do less things? Because holy shit, have I been honing that skill for a while?

Yes. Will you teach me a master class? Once you're settled in your new place.

I'm sending you up here with a login to Minecraft. What is it? Okay, perfect. Lukles Magookles? Okay, there you go.

I just sent it. Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh man, it's not from a female.

i just heard the coffee maker beeping that was one of the robots that i forgot to mention was also doing its work yeah if only i would have put the oven on self-clean i could have had almost every appliance or thing in this house doing something if you're thinking about doing some

uh oven self-cleaning folks maybe now would be the time to do it because once you get into the summer months it's going to be really hot and that thing heats up although on the other hand Yeah, actually, this is the perfect time because you can open the windows of your house to get rid of the smell as things burn off in the oven. But you also won't be roasting by having your oven going up to like 750 degrees in the middle of August or whatever. That's just a freebie. I'm just throwing that in there.

This is turning into spotless. Do you do the move? I did this last yesterday. I've actually been weirdly I've been sort of cooking at home a fair amount, which I'm not. I'm a bad cook and I don't usually do it, but, oh, you know, I made some nachos yesterday because on Livewire, on the Best News podcast, we were talking about cafeteria lunches and I mentioned how I loved macho nachos as a kid. That was one of the things we'd get at Bagley. So then it got in your head. It got in my head. Anyway, I was... Done broiling these nachos, and it was kind of cold in my apartment because I had the window open. I hadn't had the heat on. So you leave the oven open and let that just be a heat source. I mean, you've turned it off, but just let the extra heat radiate out.

Yeah, why not? It's there anyway, right? Why waste it? You already paid for it. Yep. Exactly. All right. Emails or emails? Sorry, I'm just thinking I wonder if I should do the oven self-cleaning before I leave this apartment. I've never done that before. Let the next person do it. All right. One quick voicemail here from person you've been paying rent. Yeah, this is a quick voicemail from the perfect. I almost said the perfect daddy, but no, the perfect 10 Nick in Minnesota, formerly of Florida. Nick Arms. He who wears the hot dog suit at TV show events sometimes in when we're in Florida. He, of course, Luke, has worked. He worked at Disney for a long time at like one of their resorts or hotels or a cluster of them. And he's still in that in that hospitality game, yes, hospitality, which is really if I had if I could do it all over again, I might be in that game myself. Anyway, we were talking the other day about listener. I want to say Amanda, who called in because her garbage bins weren't emptied. But then when she called in, the person at the city said, well, the notes here say that the drivers said that the bins weren't there when they pulled up. But clearly the bins were out there because Amanda and her husband have photographic evidence of it.

Yeah.

So anyway, and that kind of got us talking a little bit about, like, whether or not customer service representatives actually are keeping notes when you call in. I had this experience recently that I was a little surprised about. I was pricing out different Internet packages from different companies, something I hadn't done in a long time because I always just would go with whatever the main, like, I was exactly the main one in the city. xfinity here usually in seattle but anyway i called xfinity to get some pricing on a package and i called um century link to get some pricing on a package and both of these people i did something that is a little bit corny but i said don't like well you've given me a lot um of your time here i'm not ready to pull the trigger on either one of these right now i said this to each of these people um but i don't know if you make commission or not but should i somehow like if i call back and take this package credit you and both of these people at these two different companies said uh well how about this can we set up a time for me to call you back the next day and we can we can seal the deal and i said that sounds perfect call me back 24 hours from now i said that to both of them and it would have been a half hour apart that i spoke with them neither one of them called me back and i was kind of surprised by that but i feel like an idiot for feeling surprised by that like i guess they don't give a shit do they well that's i mean

And I think they – well, my guess would be that they're trained to propose that because, you know, coffee is for closers, ABC, et cetera, right? Like it would be thought in the world of sales that it's better for you as the person selling the thing to be able to make contact with the person versus waiting for you to call them. But so I don't think – but the fact that they haven't done it, I doubt is because they didn't care. it must be because their system didn't remind them yeah maybe you know what i mean or auto do it or they're busy on calls and maybe what it is is the system should remind someone else who's in a different division to call you and the message didn't go across the you know wires or something

yeah maybe because again and i and my only reason for doing that is i could have called back which i ended up doing just call back the next day talk to a different representative and just get the deal that they're offering but I was just trying to be polite to them because I was asking a lot of

questions Luke as you can probably imagine you went to a car lot and you kicked a lot of tires exactly a lot of detailed questions and then you wanted to make sure that person if there was some incentive for them having spent all that time with you you wanted them to get their incentive yeah

but neither one of them call me back so I called back I went with a century link for what it's worth okay so all of that is to say we were talking about whether or not when you're talking to these types of folks on the phone whether or not they're actually taking notes like hey you just talked to the city about your garbage thing and you call back the next day did the person you talked to the previous day did they leave notes in the system and nick who works in the hospitality

industry has this to say that means nick minnesota how was that florida i guess geez when it comes to note taking though um at the hotel that i worked at at disney and the one up here um i drill it into the agents, supervisors, managers, to leave a plethora of notes any time they're interacting with the guests. Short of someone coming up and asking where the bathroom is, almost any other interaction, I tell them and instruct them, coach them, to write notes out because I have learned. that in case there is a tenuous, stressful, whatever, if there's a situation and one guest says this and there's no notes to back that up, then it's, well, it's your word against theirs and then that just gets tricky and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that way, when a guest calls back and says, you know, X, Y, and Z, it's like, well, we have on record that you spoke to this person at this time and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and like rattle them off. And 99% of the time, that really backs it down because we now have proof of it. So, okay, thanks. Bye.

Yeah, I mean, I guess it's still, you know, he said, she said, or whatever. But if you have copious notes that are very detailed, I guess that the person who – I edited this down for time a little bit. And Nick mentioned that, you know, usually it's like a guest trying to pull one over, trying to get a little extra something here or there. And so if you have copious notes that say, no, you said exactly this, and you can throw it back in their face, I guess that's enough often to back somebody down.

Yes, one of the main customer service models is throwing it back in their face.

Well, did you go to Andy's school of customer service? I should really run a hotel.

Andy's school of face-throwing. Yes, exactly. um yeah i don't think i'm not surprised to hear that nick who is a very on it person and i would assume a really great manager of of other folks knows and would teach and and instruct his you know trainees that that's a really great tool to have in the toolbox which would be copious notes i just think there are a lot of places that aren't run by people like nick and or systems like literally computer systems that are not good at – like there's not a good system for keeping notes in a file, particularly if it's a huge place where you're going to deal with potentially two or three different customer service agents. I mean all I know is there were no notes in the file of listener Amanda's situation with the city of Buckley. So definitely I think two things can be true. I think that Nick probably has a whole staff of people who are very carefully noting everything, which totally makes sense. And I'll tell you this. When I'm trying to, like, run something, run a bit of a scam on somebody, like calling and going, well, they said I could get a late checkout. I am hoping to God there are no notes. I don't want the right hand to know what the left hand told me I could do majorly. But I also think there are a lot of examples where, I mean, just talk about the two times that you didn't get called back. When you said, they said, let's call you back in 24 hours, and you said, okay, and they didn't call you back. Clearly, the note system did not work there, because it's not that either of those customer service people arrived at the moment 24 hours after talking to you where they were like, should I call Andrew back or nah? That guy sucks. I'm not calling him back. Like, that was never the calculation. So either their notes got erased or they got too busy. But, like, that's an example of where the notes were not effective or maybe didn't exist.

I had a very – I'll make this quick. I had a very, very grumpy old man moment at the store yesterday. I went over across the street to Bartel Drugs, which I think something is happening with them. You know, they were recently purchased by, I want to say, Rite Aid or some other quasi-regional chain. And I think because they have a lot of empty shelves And I know there's supply chain issues for everybody But also probably the swapping of ownership during this time doesn't help much But I went over there because I needed some paper towels And as I mentioned, Vives and I are moving I bought a big pack of paper towels for the new house And I left them over there And I brought two rolls back here to the apartment Thinking it would get us through these transition times A lot of detail, sorry But I didn't calculate correctly, and I ran out of paper towels yesterday. So I'm like, I'll run across the street. I'll just buy a quick two-pack because I already have way too many paper towels at the other place. I run to Bartels. I go to the paper towel section. It reminds me of the first day of COVID. Like there's one package of toilet paper, no paper towels, no tissues. Oh, and then there was one, like, six-pack, I think, of paper towel rolls of a brand that I really dislike. I won't call them out here, but they're not for me. But I'm like, well, this is it. I need these paper towels. I'll just buy this six-pack that I don't need that's got the label on it, six equals nine or whatever that they're doing with all paper towels. Now, save that. I hate that so much.

i hate that with toilet paper especially where they're like this is you know you can soak up 80 more of your own feces well with this one square it's like okay but can i have four squares

that do the normal amount because that's weird yeah so anyway i get this six pack of paper towels

that i don't well we don't act scandalized mr bearded lips four times i would take well okay

um anyway so i'm like fine i'll buy the six pack

But I'm a little bit irritated because I don't like this brand, and there's too many of them. I don't need this many rolls. I have a bunch at the new place. Anyway, I'm like, fine, I'll do what I do, and I buy these things. And then, Luke, I'm walking out. If you can picture a drugstore, at least this drugstore, there are three places where you can – like kind of three cashier stands, right? And I'm at the one all the way to the right. And when it's time to leave, I need to go all the way to the left to go out the doors, the front doors of the drugstore. and as you do that you pass the other two cashier stands and there's a line or there's like a wall there of last minute things you can buy trading cards used to be there when they were still legal um gum mints whatever just like last minute purchases that you might want to buy while you're checking out or waiting in line as i'm i've already paid i i'm buying these paper towels like you want a receipt i'm like no i don't think i'm going to be returning them he's like okay fine and then i'm walking out the door and in this like last minute purchase aisle are all the paper towels i wanted two packs of um not impulse buy section yeah impulse that's what i'm looking at yeah um what are they downy whatever yeah what's the quicker picker upper whatever they have my brand bounty bounty and they have my brand downy is toilet paper downy is um downy is a fabric fabric softener yeah anyways i use it for toilet paper so that's your problem um so i'm irritated because i'm now carrying this big package of paper towels that i don't like and don't need all of them and here they have exactly what i needed at the front of the store but they the aisle that lists paper towels is completely decimated and empty back in the store i'm like so i turned to the kid and he's now for some reason moved cash registers i'm so my dad in this situation too i hear myself talking i'm outraged by this mild inconvenience in life but i'm like oh hey man i didn't know that these were here your paper towel section is completely empty i don't want all these paper towels can i trade these out these were 9.99 let me see and i said of course i said i don't want a receipt he's like oh man yeah i already tore up the receipt

he's like i don't think there's anything what is he nancy pelosi during trump's state of the union

Wow, interesting poll

She tore up the state of the universe No, I remember, but like

Interesting place to take this But anyway, I And listen, and I was telling this story to Vives later I don't really blame him, because I'll bet you The systems are in place that don't let him Return things without a receipt I mean, think about it This is a chain of drugstores that is Run centrally somewhere, and you have people You probably have a lot of employee churn I'm sure there are very specific systems in place where you can't return something if you don't have a receipt that probably has some number

on it. Well, you can't return it for cash, but you should, I think it might even be a law that you're allowed to return something if it's unopened for at least store credit. Without a receipt? Yeah. The receipt is only associated with the cash. I've only in the most hardcore of places have I seen no returns without a receipt. The 99% of the places it's, you cannot get cash if you don't have a receipt, but you can get store credit. You can get something that's similar.

Well, in this case, I mean, I didn't want to give him too hard of a time. I didn't want to be a person who's like giving a young cashier a hard time at the Bartel while there's a line getting longer behind me. I already felt like a doofus. I did say something, though, as I was going on. I'm like, I think I said, it just doesn't make sense. And I just left. But I mean, anyway, we're just kind of talking about systems and how much leeway any kind of employee in that situation has. maybe if i if i caught a different person maybe they would have tried to find a way to make me happy but i also there's a way for them to do it i also don't blame this kid for not like who gives a shit as paper towels get out of here old man you know but i was well yeah but i understand

your frustration which is why are first of all i don't think of paper towels as an impulse purchase right who decided to put these here as opposed to the place where i went to find paper towels right i was um that's annoying and not that that kid made that decision that young person made that decision but that's still frustrating and then the idea that i know for a fact that there is a way for that employee to scan in the barcode of that item and then do something in the register and then generate a store credit that you could then apply towards the other stuff i know there's a way to do it i've had stuff like that happen countless times he probably just didn't know how to do it um but i can see why you were a bit frustrated even though you're right it's not gonna it's not gonna ruin your life but it's just like when it's a compounding series of not great

systems that's when it gets frustrating yeah exactly and i didn't want to make a big deal of it i'm actually looking up to like so it was a it was ten dollars for a six pack of paper towels which is not too bad how much would the bounty have been if i had gotten my two pack of oversized ones about 6 29 we're talking about like

three dollars here you know i almost took a picture of this the other day i think it was in fred meyer because i was also buying paper towels not to brag and one of the things you can get now is instead of it being like you know like you said six rolls of paper towels or two rolls of paper towels there is one that is so behemoth it's like yeah imagine a roll that's like not the width of nine rolls of paper towels it is absurd i'm talking i'm not even kidding it was just one by itself and i mean maybe it's for some industrial environment but i don't even know how you would if you could even rotate it i don't know what the weight of this thing was and again And I almost took a picture of it because it's like it's so comical. It's like someone took a 12 pack of paper towel rolls and then consolidated into one roll like a joke roll. It's so funny.

I was like, who's buying this? You know, you mentioned the toilet paper before, too. I mean, you're talking about a very extreme example of paper towels here. But one thing about this, like, hey, we are packing more paper towel onto these rolls now or more toilet paper onto these rolls is, well, are you going to buy me a bigger toilet paper holder? in my bathroom because when they get too big they start to get wedged in there and they won't

roll either. Well that's the thing, it's so impractical I have a toilet, well for the paper towel roll, I have a paper towel dispenser thing in my kitchen and it could never fit this weird baby Huey of paper towels. Yeah, right

Alright Alright, good work today though I saved my old man rant for the very very very end of the show so that's good

Alright, well that's going to be our Wednesday show I know I reset my clock at some point but I feel like we've done enough show because now we're on 81 minutes since I started over I think we've bored these people enough for one day we will be back here tomorrow though with more imaginary radio for you so please do join us for that until then have a great Wednesday take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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