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Well, here's a little story we gots to tell about one cool mom that we know so well. Her name is Barbara. That's what they call her. She's got four children that make her want to holler. But we're real good kids. We do all our chores to give mom the time to shop at all the stores. We think she's the best. Yeah, a number one. She's even a friend, and we have a lot of fun. She's a mom. She's a mom. She's a mom. T-B-T-M.

So you mean to tell me that all of those sounds were coming from your body? Yep. Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is? Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday. You're singing that wrong. How? I made it up. Like, how do we have this? Like, nobody made this. This belongs to the park. I'm thinking that they hang it off the green monster. You know?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha at the offices of Walsh, Walsh, and Dormat here in Seattle, Washington, where it's looking kind of rainy out there.

Didn't know you like to get wet, though.

I forgot! Goldfish, you forgot. Now, listen, I have to be... Wait. You just stopped, and I look over, and you're just staring at me. I'm impressed that your brain was able to actually kind of like interpret my look. Actually, I want to get into this in a second. I just want to quickly run through the plan here, by the way, here at episode...

Let the fun begin.

3,678 in a collector's series. Of course, you know that we are in the midst of... We are living in the midst of a podcast boom. Lots of podcasts out there, but few good ones. A beautifully wrapped, glossy, sweet-smelling show. But there is a new good one on the horizon. It's called Not Lost. It's put out by Pushkin, and it's hosted by our friend, Brendan Francis Noonan. By Brendan. And that's not—I'm not just saying that because I'm actually in one of the episodes of this travel podcast, although I am. So we're going to talk to Brendan coming up about that. Also, Dolly Parton is going to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. There's just one problem. Huh? She politely asked them not to induct her into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So we'll talk about that as well, time permitting, with this guy who you've already heard from, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's not the college type that's going to talk your ear off. He is Andrew Walsh. They just want you to be normal, and clearly you're not. And he's joining me from right across this table here in the Sweet Cream District. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning. So that's what happened there, by the way. Yesterday on the show, I told you that since you don't have your drop.

My Denzel Washington. Denzel Washington. I didn't know you like to get wet, though. Drop from training day. Training day. I believe he is saying that to Ethan Hawke's character about some kind of illicit drug situation where you dip, like, one kind of drug in another kind of drug. And I believe that's called getting wet.

Which turns out was the inspiration. I didn't know this. It was the inspiration for the famous Dave Chappelle skit where he's driving around with, oh gosh, he's driving around with a very kind of family-friendly comedian. And Chappelle made a joke about him not being really hard. So they drove around and they basically recreated that scene with this guy being very hard. It's a very famous comedian. I'm blanking on his name right now.

I'll find it while you're talking.

So anyway, yesterday on TBTL, you mentioned that you don't have that drop with you because you're on the road and you left it in your other drop suitcase. So I said, well, I do. I'm a Wayne Brady, Wayne Brady. Thank you. Thank you for. I was driving everybody crazy with that. So I told you, well, listen, I'm a master of impression, as everybody knows. I'll just do that drop live for you tomorrow. But then you and I sitting here right now, we didn't go over the plan.

And I totally forgotten about that. And this is where, Andrew, I don't think I was being a good friend or collaborator.

You were setting me up to fail.

I kind of was. I knew that there was a limited chance that you would remember that conversation, and I knew that if I paused there, the chances were very good that you would forget and that we would get, you know, some hat.

hashtag content out of it but that's not that's not being a friend and that's not being a co-bro because i wouldn't like it if you if you kind of like withheld information from me knowing that it would likely lead me to kind of messing up it would make me feel a little bit grumpy so i apologize i apologize that i kind of i button hooked you there well you know what also

added to a complication there is that i um i was thinking so i'm over here kind of running the board too right while we do this and that's not an excuse i love running the board i can talk and play music at the same time but um when you mentioned i noticed for the second day in a row here you are in my studio and you re you referred to this as the inner sanctum or what are you

calling it i'm calling it the audio sanctum the inner sanctum of sound or something i don't know it just feels very and i don't mean to you know no i don't i don't mean to uh yeah never plow

another man's field no no i liked it but what i was thinking was i realized oh this is becoming a thing now and i also noticed you didn't say sweet cream district in that moment so i was over here just like listening to you and not looking at you usually when you're doing your intro i don't like to make eye contact it makes me feel weird so i'm just over here looking at my board and sort of contemplating i'm like oh i wonder if that's sort of evolving a little bit i didn't even have a feeling about it i was just like oh maybe luke is calling it this now that's fine and that's where my brain was and then you just stopped and then i look over and i thought you were going to say hey we need to start over i i made a mistake or something which never happens no i mean you make mistakes but we never start over as we learned yesterday when i had to clear my throat during the dazzling donor messages so i so i'm just like going on this mental journey thinking about the inner sanctum or whatever we call this now and then i look over at you and you're just looking at me expectantly and all of a sudden then then you know what then the training kicked in luke That's where you think that's why and that's why you practice you. It's muscle memory.

And I actually really and truly hold it off. You really did. I mean, I'm impressed. I'm impressed that you that again, that your brain kicked into figuring out what was going on as quickly as it because it probably felt like a long pause to you. Very long. I bet it was less than three seconds. Probably. Do we have the technology to listen back? Care to make it interesting? How much do you want to? What's the over under? The over-under is three – I think three seconds is a good number. I bet you that from when I said it's still raining here or whatever I said and then looked at you, my guess is that less than three seconds, 1,001, 1,002, 1,003, less than three seconds went by before you were actually saying the Denzel lie.

I do not know if I can do this at all. I am trying. I've never been able to do this before when you and I are, when we are recording remotely, but I'm trying to do something here where, let me see, can we hear this when I hit play on this? Oh, of course, there's audio issues. Wrong audio card.

Okay, you know what? This is on me.

In the words of Morrissey, I started something, forced you to a zone where you were clearly never meant to go. Keep singing. I was going to say keep singing

I'm getting so close but I want to

Typical me, typical me, typical me I started something

Is that? My name is Luke Burbank, I am your host I wish I had a clock to time this Oh I'm surrounded by that

This is amazing, you and I are now talking over tape of our own show that we recorded two seconds ago

Doormat here in Seattle, Washington where it's looking kind of rainy out there

didn't know you like to get wet okay i think that's probably four i'm getting five or six

god i got killed why did i bet on draft kings why did i parlay that with villanova just got hammered on that bet still it wasn't a long time considering all of the other things well you said you thought i was just having a problem and which is or a blessing which is not you know completely atypical you thought I was asking maybe to start the show over or just having some sort of an aphasia or something so actually I'm calling that kind of a mild

win I'm calling it a win that I was able to turn around tape like yes that is I mean I don't think it made for really comfortable listening you and I talking over ourselves but I am proud that I was actually able to do that I'd love to be able to incorporate that into the show more often What did you actually do? Well, it's, you know what, even for me, that's too boring to get into. I'm recording a backup recording on the device that I use, on the piece of software that I usually use to talk to you down the line. That's clever. So if you were down the line right now, that wouldn't have worked out. But because we're in the same room and I'm using this thing as a backup recording, I was able to make that happen.

In the words of Sam Neill, as I believe he's about to die by a velociraptor.

In Jurassic Park Clever girl

Exactly I'll take the honorific

I think I just saw Some kind of preview for the Newest Jurassic Park is Does it look amazing? I swear there's a dinosaur On like a Lime scooter I shit you not There is at least one dinosaur On an ATV Like it's wild

Is that still Chris Pratt?

It's Chris Pratt. It's like the final, it's like, I mean, I think they're trying to frame it as like, you know, this is the sort of the final battle or something between man and dinosaur. But it's definitely happening off island. Like, it's ridiculous. And they've got, you know, I think the other folks in those movies are Jeff Goldblum, of course. Of course. Life finds a way. He's still in the new, he's still in the, and getting younger somehow. And I don't understand that. I mean, it's not younger, but hotter. It's not a personality to fetishize. Oh, you know what? Did I just unplug your mouse? Oh, I got it now. That was good. Thank you. In things that are also too boring and technical to talk about. You saw me over here. My Apple brand watch has been bedeviling me for weeks. There's something going on. I'm going to come back to Jeff Goldblum. Don't you worry.

And I want to tell you about my Jurassic Park story. Do you know my Jurassic Park story? I don't think I do.

So my Apple watch, which is, I guess, at this point, somewhat older, and my phone have been not in sync on like an update situation like it keeps wanting me to update the watch the watch is software which you do on the phone like the physical phone updates because the watch is just kind of out there a vessel or whatever but it's got to be plugged into a charger and i kept i would try to do it when i would go to sleep like i would because this is going to take hours and i thought well i will get this thing rolling and then i'll go to bed and i'll get up the next morning and it will be done but every morning i get up there's some error message oh yeah and the problem is my watch doesn't even work as an apple watch right now and i use it to track my jogging and if my apple watch doesn't know that i jogged my phone doesn't know that i jogged and my calendar in my phone my work my fitness calendar is it's not i get a tremendous amount of satisfaction from looking at it and noting the days that i went on a job yes yeah Now I still went on the jog whether or not I can see it But it not Showing me that takes some of the fun out of it So I've been trying and then when I was Just sitting over in the other room here In your basement For some reason I just Again just hit like well try to update let's see And it actually got pretty far in the process But you had to plug into my computer So I had to surreptitiously unplug something From your computer Plug my watch in which I should have asked you I just raw dogged your computer Without any consent Let's not put it that way. But then right after that, also, your mouse wasn't working because this thing that I was using is also, I think, where your Bluetooth mouse interacts with your computer. So apologies. I think it just got confused for a second. I am sorry about that. Now, back to Jeff Goldblum. He is somehow not younger, but just hotter, right? Yeah, not younger. You're right. More charismatic. Yes, hotter, but also, and you're right, he's not, like, getting younger. He's not Benjamin Buttoning, but he's also not aging in the ways that the rest of us age. Yeah, he is. He just has remained so debonair. And I know that like fetishizing Jeff Goldblum is not a personality, but I just have to say it's quite impressive. Whatever is going. And he also seems like a pretty lovely human being. I think is it maybe I have a very hard time remembering if I'm thinking of Bryce Dallas Howard or Jessica Chastain. They both have red hair. They both have very sort of ivory complexions, and I have a hard time – you throw an Amy Admins in there, and I am hopeless. Yeah, an Isla Fisher. Don't get an – I mean, forget it. Forget about Fisher. If you've got an Isla Fisher in the mix, I have no idea who we're talking about.

By the way, I'm taking that as an Andrew W., me just bringing an Isla Fisher into the conversation.

Like I suddenly know who celebrities are. I'm going to be honest with you. I was going to take it to Isla Fishertown And I thought that's a bridge too far

For my friend Andrew and then you brought it Somehow I get them confused So often that it's this ongoing Conversation between me and Genevieve And she'll often like pause she'll say who is That and I never get it right on the screen

I think it might be I am like Jurassic Park I was gonna say I think it might be Jessica Chastain except Jessica Chastain is out there Oh no it's not Jessica Chastain

Dallas Howard yeah yeah I did see the first of this reboot thing yes although I mean I can't

really it's hard to show you this photo well it doesn't matter anyway because it updated okay there was a headline Jessica Chastain Jessica Chastain is not Bryce Dallas Howard from Jurassic World is that really like you just typed in the Jessica Chastain made a tick tock where she was clarify. to the world that she's not bryce dallas howard in jurassic park so i guess let's just play this oh no no no you don't no no not today usa today we've already got another story about your bad journalism that was one of those things where usa today was going to repurpose i don't like it we're the only ones who get to repurpose content andrew that's right not usa today okay we got to get to brendan francis noonan but but before that what's your jurassic park well i don't know if it's that

great but i um you know that was such a huge blockbuster hit of our generation right we were of the perfect age where i can't even remember for a while that was my go-to for a movie that everybody has seen right like it was just so huge everybody was talking about it somehow i missed it i mean i didn't miss the phenomenon but i didn't go to the theater to see it my entire life and then um finally i think as kind of pre-promotion for them releasing these this rebooted series of movies they first reissued the original jurassic park movie and they put it on imax and um do you remember this and it was like 3d and imax and this would have been i think right before i moved on to la so i'm putting this around 2013 or something like that maybe i'm wrong about that but anyway genevieve she's like you've never even seen it before genevieve loves a movie like that right it's like it's kind of an action movie but it's also kind of what she calls a figure amount movie how so there's like science involved and you kind of get a solve for something it's not

just explosions and people running around yeah there was a mosquito in amber right they figured out how to how to clone it but there's there's a intersection of of science technology and hubris right which is also how this show is described in itunes so anyway veves knows i've never seen

this before then they're re-releasing it she likes the movie and so she gets this bright idea she's like i know and i think it's okay for me to say this let's eat some mushrooms and go to the imax that sounds fun watch this movie for the first time now i'm not somebody who's really into a lot of psychedelic drugs i mean i toy i've toyed around in my past i've toyed around in my past but um i'm kind of beyond that now they make me feel very paranoid and just not good um but you do strange things for love right Genevieve was so excited to do this plan it was like a daytime showing I think or early by the way next time you don't want to do that talk about palimony

jump in I love nothing more I haven't had mushrooms in forever but and I was never a power user yeah but I have to say of the things in that category many of which I haven't ever dabbled in yeah like there's a lot of that stuff that kind of personally just makes me I'm a little scared of yeah but a mushroom and then float in a swimming pool uh-huh right your boy is extremely

or one you ever do those isolation chamber i did i wasn't i i did one of those float tanks i was not

on anything because i had never been in one and i'd heard that they were like it was as if you were uh-huh like they were the sort of put you in that space yeah they were the physical the physical sort of experience of something you might do more hallucinogenically yeah although i know i know

people who've combined those experiences and they don't highly recommend i don't trust myself to go

that far into my brain yeah sure in an egg i'm floating in a saline solution in an egg with like pan flute with zamphir's pan flute music playing and also a psychotropic journey yeah not not for

me you know like i say it makes me feel too paranoid these days and speedy and i'm a little um i wouldn't go in one of those uh chambers anyway because i'm also um a little a little claustrophobic I could just add it to my list of hot qualities. So how is your experience shroomed out of your dome watching the OG Jurassic Park? Well, we went to the Science Center in Seattle. That Science Center raised me. Yeah, right? And so they have an IMAX there, but it's kind of like after hours for the Science Center, but they have a few exhibits that are just kind of permanently there or whatever, little games you can play or whatever. So first of all, Vives and I go in, and the drugs just start hitting, and then we're like, We're playing around with some of the big science-y toys or whatever, and then she's like, oh, look, there's one of those hurricane booths or a tornado booth or something like that. So we go in there together. It's like the size of a phone booth, and then a whole bunch of wind starts whipping around in there. And when did you take the mushrooms? It's starting to hit around this time. Okay, gotcha. You're peaking. And maybe not peaking, but I'm definitely starting to feel a little bit while we're in this tornado phone booth thing. So that was kind of fun. But then the worst thing in the world possibly happens, which is the first showing of this movie lets out and all these people start coming out. And I'm kind of like, people getting the fear. And then wouldn't you know it? It was Seattle.

It was somewhere around the science center when the drugs began to take.

We run into somebody we know, but only sort of know the worst. Yeah.

And Genevieve, she's like. cool customer right she's you know I don't even I can't even remember who this person is they were like a friend of a friend that we sort of were in the same circle with for a while and I'm just kind of like trying just to be cool and just not being cool probably and just like whatever and then we have this period where we're like lining up this is the thing more than being in the movie I'm just remember like this time where we're lining up to go into the movie and we're around all these other people and Genevieve's like laughing so loud and I'm getting so paranoid and I'm just saying like be quiet I don't know why I didn't want Genevieve laughing really loud I just felt like they'll know they'll know

and I remember that being terrible in that part of fear and loathing where he looks around and the whole, all lizards, they're all lizards in the hotel lounge yes like judgy lizards right and it's like this is Seattle also a way we've been described on iTunes

judgey lizards nobody in this line can tell anything is going on with us and even if they did they don't care it's seattle they were waiting to go see a movie like if we're having some fun and some laughs but like i'm this is why i this might have been the last time i ever touched that stuff and i was just like whatever once we're in the movie theater things are fine i put on the 3d glasses which for me is a little bit rough i'm gonna wear them over my regular glasses i was

thinking oculus for a moment and i was like why did you go there but no 3d glasses 3d glasses

over my regular glasses, not my favorite move anyway, the movie was pretty good, but then spoiler alert if you haven't seen the end of the first Jurassic Park apparently they don't really beat the dinosaurs, they just leave them all on this island that really is not far off the coast at all, and I didn't see any of the follow-ups or anything, so I remember my takeaway, and I don't think this really translates Well, we were on drugs, but I just remember the movie ending and me just turning to thieves and being like, so what? Now they just have an island they call Dinosaur Island and they tell people not to go there. And I just remember her just like, yeah, like busting up laughing. And I believe Genevieve describes that as the best date we've ever gone on.

Where does it fall for you? I mean, you said it was maybe the last time you did that and you had some moments of of of stress. Paranoia. But is it, in your mind, the worst date you ever went on?

Oh, no. I mean, it's a funny story. The fact that it delights Genevieve so much. The fact that a big part of the story is I said something that made Genevieve laugh is huge for me. And I wasn't even trying to be funny, by the way.

Your relationship with Genevieve is like our relationship with the listeners.

If we make them laugh once in a two-hour period, it's a success. Exactly. And that was one of those things where I wasn't trying to be clever. I wasn't trying to be funny. I wasn't trying to make her laugh. I just was, like, a little bit confused. Like, really, this movie is just going to end with an island not far off the coast where dinosaurs just roam. And we know some of them fly. And we're all just comfortable with this. Like, that didn't make a lot of sense to me. And then we said, well, you'll be happy to know there are sequels in which this is addressed.

I, if we're, you know, if we're talking about this kind of thing. We are talking later with Brendan about journeys. We're just talking about journeys of the mind. Oh, yeah, man. Like the doors of perception. That's all I'm saying. I, in fact, am the Lizard King. I am.

You are the opposite of the Lizard King.

I had a trip to. I'm the Gizzard King? The Wizard King? I'm a band from Australia. I had a, during the period of time that I was kind of dabbling with that stuff a little more, specifically psilocybin, was it coincided with a friend of ours' bachelorette party in Las Vegas, Which ended up being me, the mummy And our friend Toon And that was a time where I was liking that stuff And there were two Extremely vivid I experienced the high and the low Of that The high was we took a helicopter tour Of the strip Which lasts for like all of Five minutes, it's so quick But it's a glass bottom helicopter First of all you just wait in this very fluorescent Maybe what I was on was leading was adding to how fluorescent it felt sure but we were in this very fluorescent waiting area and they were running behind you know we were there at say eight o'clock at night and we didn't get out till 10 it was like somehow the timing was bad but it worked out in that the second the elevator hit it's cruising altitude over the strip was when everything in my mind started to kind of crystallize and it was beautiful it was really cool it was i will remember for the rest of my life it was very beautiful and fun the next night the timing was less perfect because we went to something called the thunder from down under which is the australian chippendales and there was a guy the mc who looked not unlike a very even more buff danny bonaduce okay yep kept his catchphrase was it's package grabbing time

and as we walked into this place we gotta do something about these porch pirates as I was sitting there amidst this crowd hearing this fella yell it's package grabbing time that was when I started to get the fear so that was not a good version and I think you talked about this on the show maybe not I hope it's okay for me to say this but wasn't your big complaint about that performance that there wasn't there was no package grabbing I wanted desperately to see package grabbing And this is the at least how that's the only one of these shows I've been to. And I don't know if this is typical or not, but it was, you know, these very attractive Australian dudes dancing around in like a firehouse. And then they would as they were cleaning up the firehouse to like there was cleaning C&C Music Factory, they would be taking off articles of clothing and they'd get down to where they're wearing just like a very skimpy little like, you know, speedo kind of thing. and then it would be time for them to do the final last bit of it and then the lights would go out so you never yeah we never saw and i i was i was it was quite frustrating again i don't know what role the psilocybin played in it but i was just i've never wanted to see a package so much in my life and it wasn't even like it was just like the it was just the narrative arc of it exactly it didn't matter what it was they were just building up to something it could have been anything it could have been like i'm going to i'm gonna wave my hand at you but every time the thing was about to happen and again i'm sure this was very much heightened by where my brain was at but they kept setting up an expectation for me and then kid hitting the lights or as they would say in the south cutting the lights right when my expectation was about to be met and i found it to be deeply deeply frustrating one last question before we're going to break how can we prevent your nieces from ever listening to this episode of tbtl i consider this to be my job as an uncle to let my nieces know that the thunder from down under is a ripoff a real ripoff there is zero package grabbing and it is not listen my beloved niece maddie who is in a uh a production of freaky friday coming up in Shelton, Washington, wrote on her Instagram, Andrew, which I can't check because I'm still doing this watch situation. She was inviting people to come watch the show because she says, come, and I'm going to use a bad word, come watch me get to play a bitch. Oh. Maddie. Wow. My darling niece, using the B word on Instagram. I know, wow. So it's high time they learn about Thunder From Down Under. It sounds like, yeah, some doors have already opened and now you need to- Yeah, exactly. Better they hear it from you. It's also high time that we check in with Brendan Francis Noonan from previously from The Dinner Party Download and now from Not Lost, the podcast. So we'll do that coming up in a moment here on TBTL.

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle.

Hey, let's thank some dazzling donors. These are the wonderful folks who are supporting the show with a dazzling donation of dough each month. It's how we're able to keep doing this. I want to thank Danny Crawford in New York City. Danny, we've met Danny. Is Danny one of, Danny is an actor, right? Exactly. Is he one of the many people on the television show FBI who listen to this program? Yes, yes. And I think a fan of all things nautical. Indeed. If memory serves, from that show we did in New York. Yep. Danny says, greetings to my two favorite co-bros and all my ten brethren or ten-thren out there. There's nothing new and exciting with me this year, so instead, I want to take a minute and brag about my wife, who just landed the coolest job ever. She'll be the adaptive program coordinator for a nonprofit sailing school in New York City. Okay, well, this makes the boat stuff make sense. Hudson River Community Sailing. The organization's mission is to provide everyone with the opportunity to learn to sail and one demographic for whom sailing has historically been inaccessible is people with disabilities. With her degree in occupational therapy and her merchant mariner's 100 ton master's license. I have that, too, by the way, captain. You didn't you've been on a boat with me when you and I were out on my criss craft. You were like, this is a person who has 100 ton master's license in bullshit. I believe what I actually asked you many times was, are you ever going to get your boating license, was probably the question. I believe the question was, aren't you supposed to have a boating license? Was that before or after I took out three other boats in the marina with that thing? I remember also asking you, should we be shooting the emergency flares directly into the water? That seems like a bad idea. And I was like, Andrew, just keep DJing the hip-hop music so Nick Jarn and I can keep...

firing flares into the water everything i'm saying into this microphone actually happened um diana will be in charge of developing curricula and adapting the boats j24s for all the jerry's out there and we don't mean germans during the war no we mean people who know from boats because in that marina that i had my boat about five of the dudes that lived there were named jerry five out of six jerry's agree so that for instance people with spinal cord injuries or impaired vision or developmental delays can all learn how to sail so this is danny's wife diana putting together this what sounds like really cool curriculum and approach to helping everybody get out there on the water yeah so yeah she's pretty much the baddest ass i know anyone new yorkers or otherwise interested in learning more can feel free to search for me in the stens facebook page and dm me that's right slide into danny's dms an actual cast member from the television show fbi he didn't put that in i did um oh and he said that's all bring it up it's coming up here we go uh as always please watch fbi tuesdays at 8 eastern on cbs oh you didn't mention mountain danny do you so danny is also a fellow paramount employee oh that's right you guys both have danny do you have one of these really shitty credit cards they gave us it seems like you got it in the mail for free um uh and i might recommend for those who may not consider themselves the target demographic of the show turn it into a drinking game take a shot anytime jubel says one of the following bolo eyes up or get to work that actually danny all kidding aside that is the most compelling i could see you and i don't even know who jubel is or what bolo means i bet you jubel i'm gonna i'm gonna try something andrew will you uh-huh will you like fact check me on this because i'll be your man behind the computer i am wondering if jubel is played by the actor jeremy sisto okay because i've watched some fbi and i think i said this on the show i get it now i get why people are really into procedurals like this it just works it sets up a mystery you kind of want to know what happens it's just a really it's an enjoyable way to you know have a what do they say this is the most enjoyable way to while away the maximum number of hours of your life or something tv it's an enjoyable way to just watch um some television that's entertaining but does not ask too much of you and i just remember noting that jeremy sisto was like the kind of the main dude on fbi like he's kind of i think the main in charge of it investigator who's who's jubel um well i am on the wiki for one chicago and the fbi's um which i learned does include FBI International, which I thought was a joke at first. It's Jeremy Sisto, by the way. It actually is. Why were you withholding my joy? I was building up to it. My joy-do. Okay, because now you've looked it up and you've ruined it. My second question for you is going to be, for bonus points, what's Jubal's last

name? But I take it you know it now. I wouldn't have known it, but I do now. Jubal Valentine. Can this be a Luke W Friday that I got Jeremy Sisto out of that? No, you did. Congratulations to Danny For being a donor of the day I should say a dazzling donor And also congratulations to Diana For putting together this really cool program Thank you so much Maestro On your mark Get set Now ready Go We've also got to thank dazzling donor Ian Kohler In Tacoma, Washington Hi friendos I can't believe it's that time of year again Last time I was coming fresh off a divorce and I was in a job that made me deeply unhappy. I asked you both to send a message out to the 10s for some career advice and they came out in force. I would like to call out Sherry Kopp in particular for offering her services and helping me figure out what I wanted out of a career. I'm happy to report I have since started a new job that I love and have been dating a wonderful woman. Just goes to show what can change in a year. I don't have anything specific to call out but I would like to remind all of the 10s to check if their workplace does matching donations when the next TBTL-a-thon comes around. Hmm, speaking of... It's coming around soon. Yeah, a couple of weeks. We're going to be in Denver. Every little bit helps our pod bros to keep this special thing going. Thanks to you both. I'll speak to you this time next year. I don't want to, you know, polish our own apple, Andrew, but it sounds like Ian was in a pretty rough place last year, and thanks to TBTL, he's living his dream. Thanks to the TBTL community, I would say. Mostly us. And, well, mostly Sherry, it sounds like. But to a large degree, us. I mean, it sort of sounds like Sherry. Jeremy System. Give me my credit, you son of a... Thank you, Ian. We really appreciate you, man. And glad to hear that stuff is turned around for you. Indeed. Thanks for being part of the show. Hello and welcome to...

All right. Our top story is the exciting announcement that a podcast that I have been anticipating now for going on years is finally coming out. It is called Not Lost. It's really unlike anything I've heard. And I'm not just saying that because I was part of one of the episodes. It is hosted by, produced, edited, written, and all of those things by our friend Brendan Francis Noonan of Pushkin Industries these days, but so many other things, including the Dinner Party Download. Brendan, welcome back to TBTL.

I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me, guys.

The last time I think you were on the show was in L.A., right? Was it at the Troubadour, maybe? And we all went to, like, didn't we go to, oh, Phooey, Cantor's afterwards?

I believe I believe we did. I think I got I got in a little scrape with Mark Maron in the green room.

What is that possible? That was a hell of a green room. A lot was going on. We had overbooked that show. I was terrified that nobody would show up. And my fears were founded. I believe we had a let's just say it was lightly attended. And I just kept adding people to the rundown. I had you and Rico. I had Mark Maron. I had Rob Corddry, who I believe was just pounding Coors Lights in that green room until he got out like two and a half hours late on the stage where he was fairly tuned up. What happened with you and Maren?

Well, I interviewed a couple of weeks before this author, this comedian, this humorist you guys might know, named Mishno Wolf. Doesn't ring a bell. I don't know. She had a book coming out. I needed to film my show. I interviewed her and it went along well. and then she said oh you guys you guys do a podcast so you were you know mark maron and i was like oh i don't know him but i'm actually going to be in this thing with him in a couple weeks and so then i'm in the green room waiting uh waiting behind corduroy trying to get a beer yeah an impossible task yes and then uh i saw mark i was like hey i just talked to this woman uh mishnah am i allowed to curse on your show absolutely okay okay so i i'm like i just saw this one she asked after you and he looks at me he's like are you fucking with me

right now oh you can't say the f word i'm sorry i didn't realize when you said curse i thought

you're gonna say far i thought you meant the c word i'm sorry go ahead oh sorry wait so what what was the deal they had bad blood he's like are you it turns out i guess they were married

or they dated for a while oh i do know that person i know who you're i didn't realize that that that that person was a comedian that this person you're talking about had accompanied mark maron to an interview that i had done with him in seattle just like in a radio studio okay i do

know what you were talking about yeah yeah and i don't know he was just he was not very happy to see me i mean i think he's already pretty you know he's an ornery fellow i certainly was then um and he did like this young fresh-faced guy mentioning his uh ex but anyway wow you're not very kind and uh that was that but uh we made up years later when he needed to sell some book

Yeah, isn't that how it goes? Isn't that how it goes? Well, you and I had a beef for a long time, but here you are today trying to sell your podcast. Speaking of selling things, let's talk about this show. First of all, Brendan, thank you for inviting me to Las Vegas with you to hang out for that weekend, which we could not have known like one week later. And I don't think we even get to go to Vegas, right?

Yeah, it was it was the week before before COVID kind of shut down the world. I was supposed to record another episode of Kansas City a few weeks after, and we had to cancel it. But, yeah, we really were like Indiana Jones grabbing the hat before the door closed. We snagged this episode. But it was a blast. I mean, Luke Burbank, Las Vegas. I was just along for the ride, in retrospect. But we had an excellent time. And Bart Warshall, our trusty producer, who did have a pretty sad cough, frankly.

Oh, wow. Has that been confirmed that – did he have – do we think he had the Rona?

He did not have – it turns out he did not have the Rona.

Because we would have just had it because we were all hanging out in such tight quarters that whole time.

And again, this was before – We were like the monkeys.

Yeah, that's right. We would do this fun move where first I would be chasing the two of you around a desk,

but then the two of you would be chasing me for reasons that made no sense.

i can hear the staccato drums yeah um so i i've okay so these are the the episodes that i've listened to so far brendan are i've listened to the one uh in vegas where you and i were together and then i've listened to this like incredible kind of trailer that you put together for the podcast um but but but can you what are the other places that you that you went for this series

yeah so we kind of covered north where i started in montreal uh and then

Made our way down to Portland, Maine, Bozeman, Montana, Big Sur, California, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Mexico City. And then we're going to do New York City as the final episode, which I'm currently making. Oh, really? I haven't started making, but we'll make soon.

Yeah. Okay, and you live in New York. So is that why that was the kind of last one, because you knew that you could always get there?

well yes it does definitely make some production sense but there is a little bit of an arc until you know i finally found a home here i'm finally accepting that new york city is not just a place to uh leave my clothes and suitcase while i go other places that maybe it's a little bit more and so that's uh so it makes sense for this to be my final destination for season one

so we'll see it's still a work in progress so even though it sounds like you made a lot of these before the pandemic hit did you feel like you wanted to kind of not publish them for a while because it would just be odd to release a travel show in the midst of a pandemic almost like you're

torturing your listeners well i mean there was at some point and actually there's pretty much only one podcast critic that matters this character named nick qua oh we know i know we know nick qua

every time i see him at some event i'm like low-key chatting up tbtl and yet we never make

it into hot pods which is why which i'm sure he would i it's wild he would love tbtl this is exactly the kind of show i think he'd get into you'd think but anyway you know i kind of knew each other peripherally but anyway during the height of covid he was like i heard you had a travel show you should release it now man like people need this people need it but the truth is it was a pretty expensive production it wasn't like really mine to just like release into the world there was like a production company involved and uh we needed to wrap up the season to then sell that season to a distributor so we were just kind of in a holding pattern for a while did you

guys have like a per diem or something i'm wondering if your budget was so high because you took luke burbank to las vegas it didn't help did not help i'm gonna be i'll just be up

that gets back to why are we doing the last episode in new york my travel budget

you think i would you think i was gonna pay for that hangover spa whatever therapy thing i did

that's right i got an iv drip iv treatment yeah um yeah he also didn't bring out you know how he talked about his avis wizard membership um he didn't really deploy the wizardry you know we kind of the production company took it on the chin yeah um so like i don't know if

this is, you may have a kind of a ready answer for this, but I'm curious, like when you pitched this show and when you first started doing it, what were you like, what were you kind of aiming for? Like, what did you want to do? Cause there's a million podcasts that now exist. Um, you know, and yet you wanted to contribute to the discourse. What were you, what were you looking to do with,

with this show? Well, I, I had, didn't, I did some travel journalism. I used to have a little travel column for CNN.com. It was called The State I'm In, and yes, it was named after a bell and sabbatical song.

Good, nice.

I used to have a travel show called

The Boy with the Arab Strap that I did on a public access network. It was offensive. It was problematic. Problematic is the word that Eric Deggans used.

Yeah. So, you know, I had a taste for travel, And when I was freed of my responsibilities at the Dinner Party Download, making 41 episodes a year, and you two are probably the only people who that complaint doesn't register with, you know, I had some freedom to dream. And I thought a travel show, why isn't there a good on-the-ground travel show with podcasting? At the time, there really wasn't. Even the Rick Steves show, he called the Rome episode, he calls someone in Rome and they talk in the studio about Rome. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I started playing around with that. But then quickly, the reason is because they're really expensive. And if you don't have visuals, they don't really make any sense. And so I had to figure that out. And then, you know, it was the trip. I don't know if you guys seen the film.

oh my gosh yeah and rob bryden that's that is like um foundational for this show in terms of audio that we play and also just like a movie a film that we talk about yes incessantly like yeah

we're big fans exactly so so that i was a fan of that i was visiting my friend daniel henderson who joins me on half or four of these trips um and we were just talking and i told her about this idea and i was just laying it out she's like you mean like the trip and she had seen it and she got it and i was like exactly and she said i'd like to do that and so then we made the pilot together in montreal and uh that was it so i just wanted to make this show i wanted to go visit places and kind of do an x-ray on them but not by hitting

the main sites but more just talking to people and then my co-host and i just unpacking a little

bit of our lives now uh this this was a it was a fun but kind of intense weekend for me for a couple of reasons one is that i was in the midst of getting divorced which was not a thing at the time i had been talking about on this program tbtl um and and but it was you know it was valentine's day uh that weekend when you and bart and i were in we're in vegas and i remember just kind of thinking like i'm going to be talking about my real life because in keeping uh you know in being consistent with the trip i had to be the steve coogan character who was just kind of whose life was falling apart slowly over a series of pensive phone calls from the uh you know from from normandy or something and so i was like okay i'm gonna do this thing with brendan but i want to be real With where my life's at And I'm going to talk about this divorce Which means when this podcast is released I better have brought it up on TBTL That better not be the place That our listeners are hearing about it And I have to say I was a little conflicted But I also thought it was useful Because it was forcing me into being Ultimately more radically honest With the TBTL listeners Did I fulfill my Steve Coogan duties With you in Vegas?

Oh, in spades You knocked it out of the park I got pathos for days.

Oh, that is such a – I'm trying to figure out if that's a compliment or not. I don't think so.

No, it is. And I remember that was a concern. You told me that we talked about it before we went. You were like, look, the TBTL audience doesn't know this yet. I mean, it was still fresh to you, and you were planning on talking about it. But I was like, no, no, this isn't going to come out for like a year at least. And it turned out to be years and years after.

I appreciate you buying me an extra year on that promise. I was going to ask Luke, now do you regret bringing it up so soon? You had, like, two years reprieve that you didn't even know about. Yeah.

Yeah. But, no, you were great. But you know Luke better than most. The tricky part of this project, like probably the trip itself, the movie, was it is a heightened version of you. You have to kind of plumb your depths. But you also, you're like, dude, I need boundaries. And trying to strike that balance didn't always come easy to my co-host, you know, trying to understand how to play up their pathos without feeling like they were being, like, pickpocketed of their emotions.

I have to say that our particular weekend, we went to the Hoover Dam and got to actually visit – am I giving anything away? Do you want me to not be talking about the details of our episode?

No, no, you can lay it out. You can lay it out. Because it plays – it's so fun to hear, but it's fine to talk about the play.

Yeah, we got to do a couple of things I would have never done under normal circumstances in Las Vegas, And that have really stuck with me, particularly this visit to the Hoover Dam, which, as we kind of learn in the episode, really powers everything that's happening in Vegas, like in a literal sense. It's like you have the is it the Colorado River, I think, kind of coming to this point where they dam it up and then they harness all the power and then they send it down to these slot machines or whatever. But we got to go inside this thing. We got an actual like kind of VIP tour of how it all works. And I mean, that was incredible. And now when I'm on the plane, I've been to Vegas subsequently a few times, actually, since we recorded, and we'll fly over that. And I will look at it and just think, I can't believe I was inside that thing. It was totally amazing.

Yeah, that was a magnificent moment. I mean, always this beautiful kind of Art Deco, like day trip when you're kind of like sucking down like red Gatorade or something. But we actually went there clear-headed. And I forget that woman. Her name was Nancy or something. We took an elevator inside the dam and shot all the way downstairs.

The elevator looks like it should be the cover of an Ayn Rand book. Like, it's like, I wish I would have thought of that in the moment. That's actually a pretty good pull. It's like beautiful bronze with this kind of, like you're saying, Brendan, like deco era kind of like winged characters and things, you know.

But you know what? you did come up with good quotes because um you know you i when i was with you because i i took some time off and my earlier host was a comedian but not a host and i pretty quickly was like holy cow does luke burbank know how to host things like i needed to hold on to my hat because you were so good at like uh restating something in a clearer way for the audience like you just have your your radio iq your audio iq was so high that uh it kept me on my toes honestly i mean i was I'm glad I had Final Cut just so I could calibrate it so I had a little balance in there. You did a great job.

Any sense of when this episode's coming out? This one is not posted yet, right? Yeah, what's the rollout for this, Brendan?

This one is not posted. So I'm trying to think, like, Vegas is going to be in two weeks. Cool. So not next Wednesday, but the Wednesday after, whatever day that is.

Okay, so the podcast.

The podcast is called Not Lost. I'm assuming folks can find it everywhere that you find podcasts. Is that how you're kind of describing it?

Exactly right. Yep. I'm a preferred podcast player.

What's out so far?

So, so far, we started this week, just Wednesday, with Montreal and Bozeman, Montana. That old two-step. bozangeles montucky uh and uh we did some fly fishing there and it went to on an art walk

and that was why did you pick bozeman of all places you know i wanted somewhere in the west

i wanted i needed i wanted to do some kind of outdoors stuff but i needed density for the dinner party because the shtick is you know we try to get invited to a local dinner party uh and so i need so i was trying to find that middle ground and bozeman i i had a i did a tour of duty uh yellowstone park once when i dropped out of college was a waiter out there and then i made my way back towards seattle and uh i just you know i knew it i think it had i knew it had the stuff i needed it had game people some density but also beautiful outdoors but you're not a big outdoorsman right i am a yeah i i'm an indoors and that is the tension of the episode of there you know there's always a light tension was we are supposed to go camping danielle my co-host who used to live in alaska was very game but i kept finding an excuse to get bison sliders and

uh cabernet i mean i i have to say i don't want to embarrass brendan but brendan is a is a is a very debonair character like dressed well very very worldly very put together a lot like me yeah exactly he's often described as the andrew walsh of podcasting um but so no i mean i um i i don't know if i i'm i'm sure i said this to you uh at some point during our you know our sort of vegas trip but i i i used to date someone who used to always use you as the shorthand for a classically handsome person oh wow and they used to always say well you know like a brand like a brendan francis noonam type and at some point i thought okay there's a definite crush here because you know one time that's just okay you're thinking of a person that maybe is in your field of vision you start saying it a lot i'm realizing that there's like somebody's somebody's sweet on old bfn i mean you bring that into the boudoir i mean you're

crossing lines oh we harnessed it we absolutely harnessed it oh wow yeah very much so oh my gosh

i have to cut airpod cut out um i'm putting my afgat over my ears right now

now uh i have a i have a quick question about pushkin industries is that is that is that the distributor that's where you work right right now you're a you're a staff producer uh at pushkin right and host and things whatever it is you do over there

yeah so pushing industries yeah podcast and audiobook company and i am their tech vice president of special projects oh that is my title is that also and i know it was i know

it was a different production company that you partnered with to actually make not lost my question is do i remember correctly is pushkin is that the thing malcolm gladwell is associated

with yeah this is malcolm gladwell's company do you see him at work he's founded with jacob

Weisberg all the time I know I know Jacob Weisberg from Slate I don't care about that I want to talk Gladwell no offense I love Jacob I want to focus on the Gladwell situation what how long did it take you to just feel completely normal hanging out with Malcolm Gladwell well I was my first

job was to work on two of his big projects so I kind of just had to uh you know enter the enter the highway at the speed of traffic um he's a really kind guy uh and i i mean that i really yeah i believe it i didn't i don't know and i guess weirdly i wasn't i wasn't i don't know how to say this like i wasn't a fan and i don't mean like i didn't like his stuff i just mean like i didn't i don't know i've read his books um i mostly remembered him as someone who never agreed to come on my radio show and so i had a little chip on my shoulder if anything you know i'm like Al Pacino can come on my radio show, but not Michael Gladwell. So I think that served me. I wasn't enthralled to him. And pretty quickly, our gears meshed, and we made a couple big projects. So, yeah.

You ever bring that up with him, the fact that he didn't come on your show?

No, I never, and so I hope he doesn't hear this.

Will you do it now? Are you at work right now, and is he available?

I am not. I'm at home right now. It's bizarre. I will see him. He is making a cameo in the final episode of this series.

Has he heard? Yeah. Has he heard, not lost, has the Malcolm Gordon?

Gladwell, heard, not lost?

He has. He actually had a very generous tweet about it yesterday.

Did he say anything about the guy from the Vegas episode and how he should probably try to collab with that dude because that guy had a real special something?

He was like, why did I call it David and Goliath? It could have been Luke and Brendan. That's right. I think his actual part, yeah.

He said maybe it should be a million hours is what he said.

No, no, maybe it should be 3,777 episodes.

Well, see, we've actually, Brendan, we've puzzled through this on this program if we've gotten to our 10,000 hours yet with podcasting. And as far as actual recorded hours, we're obviously well short. Because even if we'd have to have every episode would have to be three hours because we're at 3,678 as of today's episode. So we're – and the average is more like an hour. So we're roughly a third of our way to mastery of this whole thing. But holy shit, it's going to be good when we get there. God, just give us – how many more years did we figure out it was, Andrew? Too many, Luke. I mean, well, it's been 11 or 12 years to get a third of the way there. So we've got another 20 or 30 years before we arrive. Yeah, my liver doesn't have that many years, unfortunately. So what are some of the standout moments in your mind from just like experiences you got to have while doing the show we've we've probably over described the vegas episode but just like other things that you're excited for people to hear about and experience when they listen to

the show you know there's moments of uh there's a little bit there's some magical realism that happens in the show which um i took you know uh inspired by like tv shows like atlanta louis like i kind of take a little bit of uh of poetic license at times and those are my favorite moments um so like there's an encounter sort of with leonard cohen's ghost maybe or maybe not in the montreal episode uh there is uh right now uh i one of the last of those i did a big sir we had a sound healing session oh um this is true we sat with this woman deva who rang these crystal bowls while we were kind of laying in this ranch overlooking the pacific ocean uh and then that kind of turns into this, uh, parody of a beach boy song sung about, uh, um, an elephant seal named 1885. Did you write the song? Those moments. I did. I did. Yeah. Look at your,

you have, you have so many talents and, uh, abilities, so you can also write music in addition to being debonair and the Andrew Walsh of podcasting. Didn't you role play this out? Yes.

I also write music, and I'm a damn good cook. A few issues.

Yeah.

I think I— No, no, I wrote the lyrics. The Beast Boys wrote the song. I just wrote the parody lyrics. Ah, gotcha.

Okay, and now wait. Were you ever—I'm sure, again, forgive me. I have a lot of short-term memory issues that pair nicely with my long-term memory issues. But were you ever in a band? Were you in a band at some point, and we talked about this, and I forgot?

I was in a couple bands, but nothing—you know, they were local Philly bands when I was young.

nothing nothing that really you would have heard and and so but you wrote the lyrics for the beach

boys parody song i did i wrote the lyrics and who wrote the music i used to have a band where i wrote the songs well the beach boys were the music but the music was performed by um bart warshall who

oh our guy the covid guy from vegas no wait so he actually it was so you literally took a beach boys he's not a covid guy that's unfair unfair he's never had covid but he's a covid guy yeah i got that exactly he um no but so oh i see zero so you use right patient warsha you used the actual music from a beach boy song and then you made new lyrics yeah we took the cool well we didn't take

but we took the chords okay and then we replayed them on guitar and then we put in some drum beats and some synths, and then, yeah, we rewrote the lyrics because with the added benefit of not having to pay for licensing, because charity is protected.

Let me ask you another practical question. As the head of special projects for Pushkin Industries, do you guys pay like ASCAP or BMI, or what's the deal? Do you have to get all original music for anything that you do?

Oh, man. Heck yeah. Oh, goodness. Yeah.

Do you have any original music we can borrow that sounds a lot like Wilco? because we have a lot of episodes that are being pulled down by spotify for using music

really yeah i mean i know a guy you know i know a guy who runs the music library uh he lives in marina del rey and uh you see they have lots of things that sound you know they have music called like bilko and you pay like a flat fee so i can connect you with him yeah but no when we were in montreal we we we had we actually ended up having a dinner party or organically everyone's drinking but we had a little Celine Dion playing in the background and then we had this song called Voyage

Voyage by this French band that was popular in the 90s called Desireless and it became so integral to the plot that we had to go pay for it and that is also why I'm in New York for the last episode because it was not cheap.

And that's just incidental music that was picked up by the mics.

No, well Voyage Voyage ended up becoming a plot point but yes, originally people were just singing it at the party and then they were like you should name your show Voyage Voyage. And then the next morning, you know, we start singing it. So we just had to get it cleared. And I tried the, hey, man, I have $500 I could give you guys. And now they're like, Malcolm Gladwell is your boss? And then you get a letter from a lawyer.

Oh, they saw those deep pockets. And I mean, so you were actually hoping that they could just do you a solid and kind of like, you know, maybe.

It's happened in the past.

Yeah.

It's happened in the past. You know, you tell people There's this musician, Mira O'Reilly Who has a wonderful song And she's an album out And she, I shouldn't be saying this a lot But yeah, she liked the show And was happy to kind of give us a generous rate

We gotta figure that out on this show The problem is, the fun of this program To the degree that there ever is fun On this program Is us just free associating And then wanting to grab The song that we're, for whatever reason, referencing And it's never Oh, you know what I heard the other day that I loved? It was an Ace of Bass sound-a-like. It was something. Andrew, I heard this song that was in the general style of Lou Begum. I noticed the billboard. It was the song that we went with. I was getting ready for the big game that some people would refer to as the Super Bowl, and I was listening to music that was very much in the style of Savage Garden. all of my sound alike references are from hgtv basically like the world's worst just like we want something that sounds like third eye block we want something that sounds like semi-charmed kind of life when this couple finally decides on which condo they're buying

but you don't do that at pushkin no no we go through the front door but i think what you could do is you could have someone playing the music and then you only have to pay half of it right like if you have you don't have to pay for the master there's two sides of every license there's the original who wrote it and then there's who's performing it right and if you had an in-house uh you know accordion player playing ace of bass you'd only have to pay for half of that license

which is why the publishing is really where the money's at right yeah yeah well i mean it really is yeah i think we've i think we've i think we've ended up exactly where we all expected to in talking about Brendan's amazing new podcast series called Not Lost, which I can't recommend highly enough. We've ended up at an esoteric conversation about music publishing and podcasts. So, you know, mission accomplished. Anyway, I just wanted to say, Brendan, the show, the parts of it that I've heard so far are just incredible. I'm actually about to go get on a flight myself and I'm going to get the Montreal and Bozeman episode dialed up so I can listen to that one. But I would highly recommend that everyone check this out. It's called Not Lost. It's really good. Brendan, you're a genius and far too talented and far too crushed upon by exes of mine for me to continue this conversation any longer.

I'm I'm blushing a gentleman. It's a pleasure to have you on. Your stamina, you guys show is just it's astounding.

Quantity, quantity, baby, over quality, over quality. It's actually funny because I do feel that the Dinner Party Download, which I was a weekly listener to and a huge fan of, the Dinner Party Download and TBTL, which for a very brief moment, I believe we were all under the same umbrella of sorts. Yeah. If I'm going to be kind of, you know, generous to us. Yeah, we tried to glom onto this. You were on hundreds of radio stations and were very popular and we were doing this. But like the dinner party download was so beautifully prepared, edited, presented like it was just so great. And then we had what I describe as a slack titted gorgon of content, which is TVTL. We just you're just all over the place. I'm such an admirer of of like the style of of programming that you do, Brendan, because it's so good. It's so like sharp and insightful. It's so something that I'm not capable of doing. So, bravo.

Well, that is very generous. It is awfully time-consuming, and my fantasy after this is to maybe do something a little more. I would call your show elegant, you know? Oh, thank you. It's just consistent quality and not as you don't need to get music licensing from Ethiopian jazz artists. That's true. That is true. Stay the course, gentlemen.

We have a guy who does all of our Ethiopian sound-alike projects.

Yeah.

It's actually Louie Vega, which is incredible. That's exactly his brother. It's Louie Vega's brother, Louie Vega, who is Dewey Vega. He's the sound-alike of Louie Vega. Yeah. Well, that's the thing about the sound-alikes is it has to be a person. So the guy that does our third-eye blind sound-alikes is actually named Stephen Jenkins. Yeah. It's phenomenal. It's a whole host of stunt doubles. Thanks, gentlemen. Hey, Brennan, thanks for coming on today, and congrats on the show, man. It's really amazing. Yeah, thanks for legitimizing us. Thanks so much, guys. All right. Cheers. All right. Let's do a little music for your weekend before we hit the dusty trail. Do you have big plans for the weekend? You know, I have kind of a busy weekend. I have to record a couple of episodes of Spotless, the podcast, because I'm prepping for when you and I are out of town. So that's going to be a big thing. And then my girlfriend, you know, Genevieve? Are you familiar? Yeah. Oh, who I'll be receiving palimony from on the road? Palimony does not equal shrooms. Oh, okay then. Not interested. I meant to ask Brendan if he had any good tripping stories, although I don't know. I think he's too professional maybe to get into that on the air, even if he did. If Gladwell hears about that, it's all over. Yeah, no kidding, yeah. But this is an interesting situation. Genevieve's colleague at the university, somebody who works in the communications office, is in what I think it's okay to say this because I think he described it this way. in a dad band you know he's a fella probably around our age maybe slightly younger um but he's in a band with a couple of other fellas and they happen to be having a party where this band is going to play and they're doing it at our eagles oh my god everything is yeah so i'm going to be there have to as part i mean i i guess i officially got invited to the party but i also you know like if i um if i get dad banded out i can go pull tabs at the bar as well so i feel like That actually sounds like a wonderful evening. Yeah, it's pretty good. I'm betting that they'll play. So do you have a sense of the genre of music? I mean, I always assume it's going to be like some sort of like Wilco-esque rock and roll because it's a dad band. I don't know. I wonder if dad band always. I mean, yeah, dad band sounds to me like you might get some Steely Dan. Oh, wow. Isn't that more? Isn't Steely Dan kind of noodley and like kind of jazzy? So see this, but this raises the question of what the, like, does dad band mean that one must play music that people our age, I'm saying like mid-40s, particularly guys of our age would be into, because that would be Wilco, Built to Spill, what else is in there, like some obvious ones, or could it go back further, could it be like they're playing like, you know, Taking Care of Business by Bachman Turner Overdrive, what defines a dad band sound? Oh, there's a band that you used to be very into And I think you still like them I think they're Chicago Oh, no Who's like the quintessential Midwest

Kind of rock and roll band of the early 2000s You were kind of into them Van did not like them very much I remember it was kind of a You've got to be You've got to be Oh, way more No, no, not They were kind of more New York Yeah, no Goodness gracious I'll never think of it But it's a very I don't know Maybe this won't drive the listeners crazy because maybe I'm being so vague that they don't know what I'm talking about either. But I've seen them perform at festivals before. What kind of – sing a song. I can't. I can't get a song in my head. This is terrible. I'll cut this all out. Don't cut this all out because now I want to know because I've got some scores to settle with Van if she was besmirching. They're from Chicago. They're not Wilco. The guy's got kind of a raspy voice. It's almost, it's just like traditional rock and roll, but it was a little bit younger when it was like, you know, around 2005. Like the quintessential kind of, they call themselves like the bar band, sort of. But they weren't cheesy. They're from Minnesota, that's why I was confused. Minnesota, yes. It's the Hold Steady. The Hold Steady is who I was thinking of. Craig Finn and the Hold. Luckily. God damn. Luckily. In three, two, one. I assume they'll be kind of like the Hold Steady, Luke. Yes, but the question is, if the Hold Steady were in a dad band, what songs would they be playing? See, because I feel like I need to see these dads. Yeah, right. I can tell by the t-shirts the dads are wearing. It would be amazing if they're going to be playing. It would be amazing if they just sounded like Diggable Planets, wouldn't it? Like, that would be an awesome dad band. Of course, because probably Ish Butler is probably a dad. That's what I'm saying. If you show me the dads, and I'll show you the world, Andrew. Can I ask a favor Will you write that down As a possible show title Because that's I want to see these dads We can't have that As a show title On Mother's Day weekend Oh yeah no Let's not erase mothers But like That's the thing I feel like if I could Get eyes on these dads Then I could tell you What kind of music They're going to be playing At the Eagles

because if they have, like, their fashion, their T-shirt choice,

that will tell me musically where I think they're going. I could be wrong about this, but I'm picturing, like, button-down shirts with T-shirts underneath, and some of them have their shirts open. But maybe I'm just living in the 90s too much.

I need the shoes. I need the shoes.

The shoes are huge. Do you want me to text Genevieve and ask her what shoes her co-worker is wearing today? But no, because he's going to be at the office. He's going to be a professional at the office. Ask her to ask him what their playlist is. Okay. And then I can decide whether or not I want to go.

No, then I can decide whether or not I had this thing dialed in. You're going.

I'll take some photos.

A hundred percent you're going.

I'll take some secret recordings and play them for you on Monday. That would not be nice. I'm going to pull from Spotify. So my song for Music for Your Weekend today is by a band out of Minnesota called The Hold Steady. I don't know if you've heard of them. They're a Chicago band, right? But this actually is a Chicago band, which I knew was Midwest and I knew Chicago was wrong. I'm sorry. I would just like to take a moment to apologize to everybody, especially music lovers or hold steady lovers who had to listen to all that. I am I hate all of that that I just did to you. And I want you to know that. And I want you to accept my sincere apologies. But moving forward on a more positive light, I'm going to play for you a song by this band called Horse Girl, which actually is a Chicago band. They have several albums out, including one that I think just recently dropped. I don't know the name of the record. Why would I as I introduce their music? But this song is called World of Pots and Pans. And I think you'll understand why I like it pretty early on. It's very much in my wheelhouse.

See her run There's simply nothing to be done When Emma sweeps the floor It turns more gray I'm out of the way Sometimes I'm thinking that I must do But I know it's a song E-F-G-H I think you're just like honey in heaven too Come on, let's go dance the jamboree Seven days and seven nights I drank of horses and the rain While Emma eggs her head She looks the same When I'm coming away Sometimes I'm thinking about

Very fuzzy in the 90s, almost shoegazy. I love that chord progression. It's pretty nice, yeah. Yep. There you go. Horse Girl out of Chicago. World of Pots and Pants is the song.

It's ironic because we I don't know if you'll leave it in or not But we were mentioning La Savvy Favon

I'm going to leave all that in

They have that song Pots and Pans That I love as well So everything comes back to those terms The song that I would like to suggest this week As a little music for your weekend deal Is by a band From Venezuela in the 60s Because I, Andrew, strive to A. Stay on the cutting edge of music And B. Pick songs that the listeners may or may not Vibe with I went with Domi and J.D. Beck Last week although I've been getting some nice feedback on that So that's good this band Los Darts was a Venezuelan Pop rock group in the 60s And is considered to be A Kind of instrumental or seminal Part of the Venezuelan Garage rock scene from the 60s I was it's actually hard to find A ton of information on them but what I was reading was I don't know why these things are necessarily related, but there was obviously they have a lot of oil in Venezuela and somehow the kind of confluence of the oil boom and maybe, I don't know, may have more access to sounds from outside of Venezuela. There was this also this kind of Venezuelan rock boom in the 60s. And this band, Los Darts, was a part of them. And if you want to start playing the song right now, it takes a little while to get going. This is on just a playlist that I have. I'm trying to remember, let me, I'm going to actually look in my Spotify as.

I hope this is the right version because this is listed. Yes, it is. It's got several people's name listed, but I think this is, some producers kind of made a compilation here. So they're officially credited.

Yeah, this song is called El Despertar. Uh-huh. And it just comes up on this, I started this playlist from this other song that I was obsessed. There's a guy named Jal Gilberto, who I think is maybe from Brazil that I was really into. So I started a playlist on Spotify and it just started bringing up all kinds of things, including this song that I just feel like is a very good spring leading into summer vibes. Take a listen to this. This is Los Darts doing El Despertar.

¡Gracias por ver! Promesas que ya el viento se llevó Qué triste fue tu sonreír Cuando al marchar te dejé ir

So there you go. That's a little Los Darts for you. Now I was just doing some internet searching. What do you think despertar means? I'm probably saying that wrong

Despertar is what it looks like Is it a I don't know I'm not going to have a very

Do that again El despertar

El despertar

El despertar

I think maybe one of my cords is out too Because I only heard that in one of my ears But anyway, that's not interesting to the listener Does it mean something about a desperate? I thought that's what it meant too It means waking up The song is called to wake up It's very, I like this a lot It's very pretty, I thought when you said garage band Or something I thought it was going to be a little more

I think maybe they have some other songs that are a little more lo-fi

I like that though a lot, that's very nice

If you like that vibe, what I'd recommend Is if you're using The cursed music medium Of Spotify I would say you just Make a radio station out of that song And then you pour yourself a couple of Capereñas and you While away a summer afternoon Listening to the vibes

I had those in LA, I didn't even know what they were I can never remember what they're called, Casparana Caparana, yeah

Or if you want to get This is a drink that I always get weird looks on But it's never failed me Is a Fernet and Coke Which I have not been to Argentina But I am told that it is kind of like The national drink of Argentina A lot of people have Fernet kind of as a Just stand alone digestif pero Fernet en Coca-Cola

Yeah, I've never had it in anything I've only had the worst shots of it Delicioso

Diagnosis, delicious In the words of Dr. Hibbard Who I believe is no longer on The Simpsons Or is at least now played by an actual black person

Oh, really? I didn't know that was played by a white person?

It was played, I want to say, maybe by Harry Shearer

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that

We have a listener suggestion for some music for your week And it comes from listener Lauren Speaking of, Andrew Speaking of popular summertime drinks Lauren says I'd recommend this dreamy groove Combined with quarter life angst And a partially Also for the Topo Chico name check This feels like a rooftop bar Summer song It's called Ranch Water By a singer named Story Slaughter Have you heard Tell of the Ranch Water phenomenon Andrew? I don't think so This is a big drink If you're ever in Austin now Or really anywhere warm They love the ranch water And I think it's like I don't know exactly what goes into it I haven't had one But I believe it to be a topo chico And tequila type combination That's called ranch water This is going to be the summer of ranch water Look for it You're going to see it when you're out and about Particularly on warm afternoons and evenings

Will they be drinking it Around my janky ass bonfire in the backyard while I'm slugging down Coors Lights because that's where I'm going this summer if you get a pickleball court you will have

the hotties will be lined up drinking the ranch water Andrew so that's how we're going to wrap up the week thank you everyone for being a part of TBTL thanks for listening to the show we'll be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for you so please join us then until then have a great weekend take care of yourselves go mariners it's not The Ranch Water And please remember No Mountain Too Tall And good luck to all

Little me would have thought That this place was a dream But the hills don't look Like they do on screen Is it everything Is it everything That I want It doesn't really feel Doesn't really feel ¡Suscríbete al canal!

She was only 16 years old.

She was only 16. You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.

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