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Hi, I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from such nature films as Earwigs, Ooh! The Revenge of Abe Lincoln. The Erotic Adventures of Hercules. The Wackiest Covered Wagon in the West. Alice's Adventures Through the Windshield Glass. They Came to Burgle Carnegie Hall. Two minus three equals negative fun. Man versus Nature, The Road to Victory. Designated Drivers, The Life-Saving Nerds. The Decapitation of Larry Ledfoot. dial m for murderousness alice doesn't live anymore the boat jacking of super ship 79 smoke yourself thin firecrackers the silent killer p is for psycho lead paint delicious but deadly calling all quakers son of sanford and son and here comes the metric system

do i wish our fans were a little more hip yes do i wish they were a tad more on top of their hygiene? Absolutely. Do they have a confused look in their eyes like a dog that's heard a strange

sound? Yeah. That's a no from me, dog. We're going to kick you in the teeth. All right. And when you punch us back, we're going to smile at you. And when you knock us down, we're going to get up. And on the way up, we're going to bite a kneecap off. All right. And we're going to stand up and then it's going to take two more shots to knock us down. All right. And on the way up, we're going to take your other kneecap and we're going to get up and then it's going to take three shots to get down i know you think you can think your way out of this with your thinkiness but don't think too

much you know i just came here to hit dinners and have a good time all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a tuesday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live

the song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world my name is luke burbank i'm your host i don't

know who that is and i don't care to find out coming to you from the hollywood broadcast center right here in portland oregon where i got back from my little morning jog and i have a kind of a tradition that i like to do which is i have a teeny tiny little balcony here at this apartment but i like to sit out there in my little chair because i'm usually a bit you know sweaty and uh I sit there and I look at things on my phone and I cool down a little bit and it's kind of, uh, it's my little reward. And sometimes when I don't want to go on the run, I just think to myself, yeah, but it's going to be so nice to sit in your little chair on your balcony, reading things on your phone, having this whole exercise deal behind you for the day. So that's what I was doing today. And then I saw an article in the Seattle times and a thought crossed my mind, girl, don't do it it's not worth it uh about reaching out to the person who wrote the article i'm not gonna do it girl i was just thinking about it i'm not gonna do it uh to clarify something to be a little as they say pedantic and then of course um well i did it i don't know who i'm turning into as the grammar police but it's not a good look we'll probably end up expanding on that topic here on episode 3680 in a collector's series.

Let the fun begin.

We also want to talk about the new law in Canada that basically says if you're a Canadian astronaut, you can no longer murder anyone in space.

It's literally illegal.

Oh, and guess what it is today? Guess what day it is? It's cat day here at the Hollywood Broadcast Center.

A cat is an angel that poops in a box.

Later today, I'm going to pick up one Bubbles Burbank.

I'm so excited about this show.

My new kitten. Please, if you do not like hearing a 46-year-old dad type talk excessively and extensively about a kitten named Bubbles, I don't think this is going to be the show for you for the next couple of weeks. Because I am so excited. I've got, like, books. It's a real what-to-expect-when-you're-expecting situation with me and this cat that I'm getting later today. So we'll talk about that today and tomorrow and every show until the, you know, cat is elderly. So basically for the next 17 years, you're going to be hearing about this. Speaking of cool cats...

Look at this cat! Terrific stuff by the cat!

Let's introduce the longest-running co-bro of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is Andrew Walsh. He's joining me right now from the Sweet Cream District, Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning. I like cats and everything, and I like you okay, but I'm more interested in trying to figure out which article you wrote in about. I'm scanning the Seattle Times headlines right now. By the way, did you see this one? Washington driver caught with SUV dangling out of small U-Hauls.

Have you seen the photo?

Yes, I'm looking at this now. Who is this? Who had this idea? This is just a U-Haul, your standard kind of, you know, cargo.

It's a trailer you tow behind, right? Oh, no, it's the box truck.

It's the standard U-Haul box truck, and it looks like you can rent this truck for $19.95, it says on the side. And somebody has pulled a small, looks like maybe like Toyota style SUV, yes, maybe something like that, just driven up into the back of this thing. And about like the back third of the vehicle is just poking out of the U-Haul and then it's strapped in there with what looks like one strap, nylon strap and just driving down the road. And turns out that might be illegal. I haven't read the story yet, but I'm thinking that might be illegal.

I saw that headline and I had to click on it because I couldn't picture what they were talking about on the headline. It was, like, a person pulled over in, like, Okanagan County or something for, like, having a car in their U-Haul trailer or something, or U-Haul, whatever. And I was like, what does that even look like? And then I clicked on the picture. And then I immediately thought, I need to grab that picture for Twitter purposes later.

Hey, when you go into a meme war, you've got to have a lot of memes.

That's exactly. I mean, just blasting these memes. like i don't even mean related to what literally happened which was somebody was clearly they wanted to move this car this uh suv to some other place but they only had they didn't have two people they didn't have someone to follow them with said suv so uh although maybe just didn't run do you think that's what was going on because if the suv was operational the person driving the u-haul could have just driven the suv there appeared to be nothing else in the u-haul except the suv that's a that's a really good point no real like chicken fox bag of grain river situation like okay you have one guy and he wants to take this suv to this destination um so how does he get it there well you'd think he gets in and drives it but no for some reason he drove it into the back of a

different vehicle and then drove that vehicle because there's a scorpion on the back of the and then that will sting the rice um yeah so anyway that's probably not what you wrote into

the seattle times about it isn't but i did find that story fascinating or whatever that event fascinating and it was like you know me i'm i'm not i i have a real mixed feelings about when law enforcement tries to get cute on twitter yep yep and i also have problems with the tsa showing all of the like novelty weaponry that they've confiscated in a given year like brass knuckles or like a mace that somebody had not not like the spray but like the thing the spiky ball on a chain on the end of a nunchuck yeah like when they show those and i'm like yeah someone was going to a renaissance fair they weren't taking the plane down with a medieval weapon right but anyway and same with law enforcement sometimes they'll do something that's sort of cutesy and i have a hard time fully embracing it because i think of all the other ways in which i wished we policed uh our citizens very differently in this country that being said i was like i was like god the state patrol person who pulled this car over what a scene but like i can't believe that they thought this person thought they were going to drive the highways and byways of america and at no time was state the state patrol going to observe this and go yeah no that's not that's

not how we do any of this yeah and you know how uh anxious i am about anything like that like i mentioned to you on the show the other day that we're going to be bringing a new refrigerator home pretty soon and like vives and i were going back and forth about like the best way to do it and there was some discussion of maybe trying to jam it in the back of our volkswagen golf i was against this idea uh and then uh you know seeing if it could fit and then if not you know there's no way that the hatchback was going to close so we'd have to strap it in i was already like feeling the feeling the sweat build up just even thinking about that like i'm so close to the store where we'd be picking it up like less than a mile i think but um it would feel like a hundred miles as i'm driving that car with something strapped in i like all doors to be closed let's close the car doors that close is what i like to say i'll tell you though this is where our personalities

you'll be yeah you'll be unshocked to hear andrew this is where our personalities really kind of go off in different directions when i was living on south beacon hill um now uh 20 plus years ago and i bought this little house which i was sort of doing some projects around my vehicle was a maroon probably 91 honda accord and the number of things that i moved the amount of sheetrock that i moved that thing creosote railroad ties i went down to i forget where the place was some industrial thing in like you know sodo um where they i bought those like

creosote soaked giant extremely heavy kind of long sections of wood known as railroad ties because i was installing them in the parking in the sort of area in front of my fence that the um was it was technically our property but it was kind of a lot of people would just park there and it was very muddy and gross and just kind of so i wanted to sort of i wanted to basically make it so you couldn't park there and i put about four or five of those in the trunk sticking out of the trunk of my honda when i tell you that thing did a wheelie oh my god going up ground those those things are so heavy because not only are they a big giant solid chunk of wood they're soaked in a nasty nasty um you know chemical compound that's meant so that when they're out somewhere actually working on the railroad as it were they don't just rot immediately So, like, just me driving around my Honda Accord with the trunk lightly resting on four creosote-soaked railroad ties, that's how I roll, sir, which is a far cry from what you would feel comfortable with.

But it's all okay because you took a tiny, tiny little orange little piece of plastic, a little piece of ribbon, and you just taped a tiny little ribbon to the— Yeah, I was like, hey, watch out, y'all.

Hey, we're good here. I remember driving with—well, a couple—this happened two times. One time driving with sheetrock on the roof of the car, so I tied it down, but the only way that I could tie it down was placing these sheets of sheetrock on the top of my Honda and then rolling the windows down and then tying the rope through, like, over the sheetrock and down into the car, meaning I had to dukes of hazard it in and out of the vehicle. There was no opening the door. And then a different time I was driving with a mattress With the same kind of thing Except it started flying off The wind resistance Was so intense And the mattress wasn't that heavy That I had to hold the mattress down with my left arm While I was driving

The most interesting thing to me In these stories is not How awkward the load is That's not also interesting But how far you have to drive with it What do you think the longest

well i'll say the railroad ties were not very far they were and no freeway i would for all of these shenanigans i would never get on the freeway no way it would be like let me find the like quietest back street route to where i'm coming back from so that i can try to you know keep it under 20 miles per hour get the hazards going um so so it wasn't in neither of those cases where i wasn't going particularly far in either case okay gotcha like you see someone driving down the freeway

with some kind of situation going yeah and you can tell you're really rolling sometimes you can just tell like this is not a short trip home from from Lowe's like you're right you're booking you're going somewhere where are you going hey I'm with the news dude what article then did you write in

about i was i wrote into our friend sports columnist matt calkins and it was not about the content of his column uh-huh it was because he wrote a piece this morning that was actually echoing kind of how i feel which is you know you and i and you're obviously really really big baseball fans are very invested in the seattle mariners but in this very moment of time they are making it really hard to feel optimistic you know when you lose games nine nothing even the game they won that my mom and i were at i mean they only scored two runs yeah like over the last this 10 game losing streak i mean i'm guessing that they're averaging almost like there's average they have to be averaging under two runs a game yeah yeah just shocking it's amazing yeah but anyway without getting too into the baseballery of it his point i thought his column was was um i i agreed with what he said which was like you know scott service the manager of the seattle mariners is trying to stay upbeat you know the baseball season is long and in this case full of terrors no um hopefully it bends towards the mariners you know getting it together but he used a line in his piece where he said something begged the question oh dear and i went back and forth you know listeners of the show know this is a real pet peeve for me i was misusing begs the question for years and years and years of my life including putting it into stories that were making it onto national public radio until robert siegel the uh one-time host of all things considered sent me a very nice email explaining the difference between raising the question and begging the question and again regular listeners of the show don't need any like further explanation on it but i will just the the risk of over explaining i mean the simple version of it is begging

the question is a formal fallacy that means you're basically justifying your argument within your own argument you're saying the bible is true because god wrote it and you that's begging the question raising the question is huh boy that really makes me wonder about that so i read that and i really felt not like i need to i didn't feel andrew like i wanted to make this guy's life harder on this morning i felt like i wanted him to in the way that i received this piece of information at one time and it helped me not misuse this i wanted to in that same spirit just kind of let him know in a nice way hey oh by the way like that i think what you really meant there is raises the question because what i feel like is particularly when you're talking about print journalism it's if someone is kind of trying to take issue with what you're saying and you you also sort of misuse a term like that or whatever that exactly is you're giving them ammo for something that's unrelated to what your argument is and it lives there forever also do they have copy editors at the seattle times if you're a copy editor of a major american newspaper at this point which i still consider the seattle times to be a major american newspaper it's a going concern they have a lot of very fine journalists there um my daughter also works there it's probably why i'm biased but if you're a copy editor for a major city's newspaper how do you not know at this point that begs the question does not it does not mean what you think that means so i said i'm going to read you the email that i sent i said hey matt regular reader of your column i and i put an exclamation point after matt yeah so i was like hey matt yep regular reader of your column just a small thing that i was misusing for many years until a fellow journo

hipped me to the error trying to keep yep yep keep it hey we're all we're all in the trenches

here matt quote begs the question is a formal rhetorical fallacy meaning you justify your argument within your own argument raising the question is just what it sounds like except for a tiny percentage of the time people mean raises the question when they write begs the question as happened in today's column best l okay and you sent that at what time uh 9 13 remember when i said i lost track of time yeah you're supposed to be dialed at 9 9 13 i'm i'm i'm sending a message to a guy who's never met me about how he's maybe means raises the question instead of

begs the question um and you have not heard back yet because i should say it is now 9 51 it hasn't

even been a full 45 and i hope i don't honestly like i feel listen when we get sometimes not always but sometimes when we get messages like this from people listening to this show sometimes it will it will slightly it will make me have a feeling that i don't totally love although i guess if i'm being honest if we're factually wrong and someone lets us know i don't think that's what bugs us i think it's when it's more of a judgment call yeah and the and the kind of

the whipped up supposed anger or frustration about it i guess sometimes you're like between you weren't like matt i am so sick of people messing this up i had to throw i had to throw

my phone that i was reading seattletimes.com on you know what's weird i'm on his article now

because i wanted to see if he has changed it the weird thing is it still has it so it looks like it originally said so it begs the question what's going on with this club they didn't change that part but that now it says so it begs the question can this team win because they are winners well okay i've got to give it to him either either i saw what you did there i saw what you did there

And actually, good job on the fly of creating, like, you know, giving an example of begging the question.

I think, or I might have gotten close. I think I got a horseshoe rule on that.

I think you did a way better job than I did of, like, giving a concrete example. Now, I would be fine with that. That would be amazing, though. If he wants to literally beg the question in his column, then go nuts. But, so, I don't know. I just feel like between my tweet about Pike's Place chowder and now I'm just, I mean, i'm turning into this woman who used to send us postcards about how bad tbtl was where she called it pure piffle yeah it is that's still safe i've still got that um in a storage container in bellingham and when i when i finally get that stuff and unpack it all in my uh other place that i'm gonna move to um that's going up in a place of honor because i do think that that's one of the sweetest burns of all time your show is pure piffle it's i love i i it's also one of

the sweetest compliments of all time i've been doing i've been getting paid to do not mean it as a compliment i know but but take it you're it's your job to do pure piffle i just thought of something i want to tell you i think i wanted to tell you this off air but i want to tell you it now and we're on the air so let's just go forward here yesterday veves and i checked out a uh a neighborhood watering hole one that you actually recommended to me not because you'd been there before but you felt bad that i didn't have a a new teddies in my neighborhood Right? On, like, was it Friday? I think it was Friday. Or no, sorry, Thursday.

Thursday, when we pre-taped.

I became personally obsessed with figuring out a watering hole for you. Like, why is this my primary concern for you?

Like, a good place for me to go watch a baseball game, right? Like, on the TV. Because there are various places around.

Well, I know how much you love Teddies. I know how much you love Teddies. And I know how fun it is to have a neighborhood joint that you can kind of just, you know, know what you're going to get when you head over there, make some friends, et cetera. So I really wanted you in this awesome new home that you and Genevieve have in this interesting, cool neighborhood. I just was like, where is my friend Andrew going to watch his baseball games?

So we're so Vives and I check out this bar yesterday that's in our neighborhood. I'd never been there before. And it's the right vibe. I think I texted you afterwards. I like this place. And, you know, me, Luke, I'm not somebody who like when I'm meeting somebody for the first time or even out in public talking with Vives, i'm not like leading with the fact that i'm a podcaster or even that i work or worked in radio right like that always is sometimes that just tenses me up anyway because i don't like to

talk about what i do that's not what i've heard andrew yeah i'm a podcaster and i care who knows

oh wait no that is actually what i've heard holy shit you got tape of me walking into the bar last night how did you that is creepy now so veves and i are there to watch the mariners game which was just such a fun time yesterday it was just fun to see them just like not just hit a couple of grand slams and get the score really high against the mariners but to watch the phillies just like slowly drip by drip by drip just keep on getting men on base and then just bring them home and then and just slow and to watch the mariners respond in kind with they i'm assuming they got so many runs that they flipped the scoreboard and it went back to zero because at the end of the game it said nine zero either way it was a really fun time it was and i are watching the game and as more time is going on and as more drinks are flowing somehow here's here's what it is it's me genevieve this bartender and another fella who's at the bar and the for some reason we're talking about music and the topic of the band phoenix comes up and we're all trying to remember what the um what the big hit by phoenix was or what the phoenix is you know most well known song it's the mania uh maybe but the one we know is 1901 and we said 1901 and all of us are like yeah that's the one i'm like i'll put it on touch tunes so i put 1901 on touch tunes

and there's a song called 1901 that song's not called litza mania it might be too i don't know

if we're talking about the same song but the song i'm talking about is called 1901 and as soon as we start to hear it vives and i look at each other we're like of course it was the ross and burbank theme song um do you ring does that ring a bell now right yeah yeah yeah and so i know that song

I think I've always – I think I just blended that all together. Yeah, okay. Yeah, this is – Here, I'll play a tiny, tiny bit of it here. It's off of that Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix album. Or Wolfgang Amadeus? Was the album called Wolfgang Amadeus?

High Phoenix? It is Wolfgang Amadeus. The first song is Lithomania. The second song is this one, 1901. So they're two different songs. I don't know if I know the other one or not, but you're right. You do. It's more – it looks like it's got – anyway, my point is –

I'm going to be bumping Phoenix, by the way, for like the rest of the day or year.

I mentioned to Veeves, I'm like, oh, we look at each other like, oh, this was the theme song of a show I worked on. I'm like, I think it's Ross and Burbank. And at this point, we're talking to each other. But the bartender is kind of there. And he's like, oh, and I'm like, oh, I used to work at Cairo. He's like, oh, yeah. He's like, what show was it? I'm like, Ross and Burbank. He's like, oh, Burbank. Yeah. And I just see this light. And he's like, yeah. Ruh-ro. Yeah. Burbank. Yeah. It reminds me of the time you and I What did he say It reminds me of that time you and I were at a ball game together And some guy was sitting In front of us and he recognized your voice And he turns around and he said are you Burbank He said yeah I listen to you all the time But like he did not say he liked listening You said oh thank you

Well like me telling Matt Calkins that I'm a daily reader of the column That's an accurate statement

I read every column But I think this guy at the baseball game turned around and said Something like oh yeah I listen to your show all the time and you said thank you and i said he didn't say he liked it luke anyway because i'm always there to for a bro anyway so last night this guy this bartender his name is kevin his eyes kind of light up but he's like yeah i used to listen to that uh too beautiful to live show or whatever wow and i couldn't you know and you know i'm like at that point there's no not getting

it you know what i said it would be weird if you didn't yeah no i mentioned that you work on that

show now and i got legit excited i was like oh dude that's that's what i do i work me and luke do we still do that show he's like that show's still around i'm like yeah it turned into a podcast a while back he's like oh yeah sorry i just don't do the podcast thing i'm like no problem then we had a nice conversation about how he and i both still appreciate just like that finding things on the radio and the the sense of discovery one would get in 2009 when just looking for something weird to listen or just something to listen to while he said he was working in his studio i don't know exactly what he does in his studio let's hope it's on the up and up, but, um...

He said, you know, he was just like in a studio and he landed on this station and processing cocaine.

He's making art of some kind. Yeah. Studio usually connote that.

Yeah. That's what I assumed. I assumed it wasn't an audio studio because he's listening to talk radio. But then he's like, yeah, yeah. They would do like push ups and cook things. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, I used to listen to it. He's like, I really like that. And he turns out he listened quite. He's like, yeah, I was like, Jen and Sean. He's like, he's like kind of like remembering a dream sort of. He's like, yeah, I used to win. he's like i won tickets i won tickets to do two different events not tbtl events but like some sort of concerts and that mario batali and um whatever the station ordain thing yeah ordain thing the station was just giving away various tickets that he won through listening to to your show and stuff so anyway maybe maybe now he will go and check out the podcast maybe he's listening right now he didn't seem super interested in podcasts but that was definitely one of those moments i was like i think at one point because i was a little bit in my cups i'm like that's me Well, it's not really me. That's you. But like when he said TBTL, I was just kind of like, what? No, that's – it's just weird to hear it. I don't know. It was just weird to hear it come back at me. Yeah, exactly.

Did I tell you this on Saturday night when I saw you? But on Friday night when I was in St. Louis, I walked back to – I was having some dinner with our crew. And then I went back to my hotel, which was in Clayton, Missouri, which is just kind of, I guess, a neighborhood. it may technically be its own city but it's basically st louis but like for some reason it being kind of a suburb of st louis seemed even more random to me i walk into the hotel i'm considering stopping by the bar to get a little nightcap or something and i walk up to the bar and there's a wedding party i tell you this whole story on saturday nope there's a wedding party there and the person looks up and goes oh are you luke burbank like they were cbs sunday morning cbs who thank goodness i had my wits mildly about me because you know at that hour after being out with the crew it could have been very different but it was i was remember what we said the other day i was like and this doesn't apply to people who are vaguely aware of me through cbs sunday morning because they're not hearing this but if you're a tbtl listener and you see us you have to identify yourself yeah no if you're 10 you have to tell me i just like wandered in there and then to have in that most to me feeling random of places to have somebody like look up and go oh yeah you're that guy and then the same thing happened that occasionally happens with this which was other people and these folks were i think the um aunts and uncles of the bride and groom so it was like this this part they were from new jersey or something this person's like brother's daughter was getting married so this these were a bunch of folks kind of in their 60s or whatever and one person was aware of me from my media jobs but then everyone else was like oh this guy must be somebody and it's that exact same problem where i do i go along with the premise that i'm a somebody or do i and i did and they bought me the drink and i was just like yeah boy there must be i didn't say this but i was like they must be so stoked to meet this micro celebrity and then i went to sleep and i woke up this morning and the drink was on the nightstand because i had to get up at like five for my flight but it was it was the about the last place i would expect seattle kind of makes sense because i've just been there for so long and done so much stuff there that it's but but a suburb of st louis was not where at at 11 30 at night was not what i was thinking was going to be what would be the place where somebody would be like oh this

guy you know i was thinking okay i'm going to tell you something here and i hope that it doesn't make you feel weird or uncomfortable um being serious here but i was thinking about you and the fact that you are even you know more and more recognized and recognizable because of your higher and higher profile status than even two years ago or certainly four or five years ago right because of cbs and and and you living in portland and live wire being very successful and now you being in the in the town where that originates from and so all of that and we've talked about that on the show and we were talking yesterday on this show that um we had a really nice time on saturday night i believe it was you uh came to the eagles where i was hanging out with uh our usual eagles crew but then there was a whole bunch of other people there too because uh a colleague of genevieve's was having a party there and his band was playing we talked about this yesterday just to rewind trout mouth uh trout mouth formerly known as trout mouth um but uh anyway so it's a different vibe there right there's a whole different um a whole bunch of people i didn't know um it was a great vibe by the way it was fun to see the eagles hopping um and there were some people that i did know but from from different aspects of my life not just my usual like you know you know our little dirtbag eagles crew right um and um and you came later and so we're in this kind of crowded place and i'm talking to somebody who's not part of our usual crew and i'm not going to say who it is i don't think they would hear this but i also wouldn't want to embarrass them but i know that this person i was talking to was also like kind of in negotiations with a Thank you. friend of his to like figure out like whether or not this person was going to come up and join him at the eagles or just pick him up and and leave for the night right and um and i think the person who was picking him up was probably tired and was like i don't know but he wanted to stick around you know we've all had these kinds of conversations like just come on come up say quick hello right and so I kind of knew that this was a text message that was going on and then you came in somebody said hey Luke's here and I saw this person pick up his phone immediately and I couldn't help myself he texted something he set his phone down I said you just texted that Luke's here right and he said maybe and I said you know you could have led with Andrew's here and he said I did I mentioned earlier that you were here come on do I know this person um maybe I'm not sure I I don't I'm not sure we can talk about that offline, but it's somebody who I do know, you know, likes your work. And I think that's good. It was, it was Camaro kid. Um, and so texting Roden. Luke's here. They were both like, play it cool. Play it very cool. Cool. Cool. Uh, but anyway, no, it was an innocent thing. And I, sure. I sort of felt bad for calling it out, but I also just sort of knew, I think I read people pretty well, maybe too well sometimes, but I was good. Like you just texted that Luke's here, right? no. He's like, And I kind of tease him a little bit. I think it was fine. But that kind of stayed with me And this is where I was like I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable But I was sort of thinking about that It's like I love our job And to the degree that like

You know this guy who I met last night He didn't know who I was It had nothing to do with my ego He listened to a show that I wasn't even a part of And that I was also a fan of back in the day But I just got excited because it's TBTL And how often do you hear your own weird podcast said back to you And anyway I would like TBTL to be Honestly vastly more popular I would love to double triple why stop there quadruple our download numbers I want to be successful in the podcasting space but it's not because I want to be popular or recognized or famous in any way and I was sort of thinking about that there was nothing weird going on with this person texting their friend they're just saying hey Luke's here you should come up I don't know what ended up happening there by the way but I was like that is the option like I never like I live my life so that if i walk in the room nobody notices i want to be in the room for about 90 minutes before anybody realizes i'm there and i'm not saying that like you walked in the room hoping for that attention i'm just saying it's part and parcel for it and it wasn't a big gross show or anything it was just somebody was excited that you were there but i was like i would never want that i would never like you just mentioned like you're coming home late from drink somewhere you don't want to be like you want to like david castle hamburger in the bar i mean that's and

And literally, that's the thing that I guess the downside of of there being five percent more awareness of my comings and goings in the world. It's a good I mean, look, I don't know why we're just why we're going here now on this particular episode on you come to me on the eve of my cat's adoption. But like, you know, it's a good reminder to me that I need to be a little bit more aware of like how I'm coming off. Not that that's the point of your story, but, like, I got picked up in a lift by an 11 here in Portland who I can't remember. I mean, I was in rough shape, Andrew. And it was not – this person was very nice, but it was not the look that I'm trying to cultivate with even the person who is dating a listener.

I think that person later rode in, I think, even during a birthday segment. So it seems like you didn't burn any bridges. That's good.

I hope. And I can't remember if in the vehicle, this tells you how rough it was. I can't remember if in the car this person said, oh, are you the guy from TBTL? Or if it was only later. But what I do know is the the downside of, again, there being a little bit more awareness of, I guess, me is me not wanting to look like a fool, which is very typically associated with me maybe having more to drink than is advisable. So that's something to think about. Like, I'm glad that when I rolled up to that Eagles, you know, I had been over at Kevin's. We were watching the fight, but we were just having a pretty mellow time. I'd been out with Addy before so I'm glad I didn't hit that Eagles at a speed that I have hit that Eagles at before yes with a bunch of people that I kind of vaguely know you know Genevieve's colleagues who I've met before um but who I don't know particularly well some some other folks there that I met for the first time it's just it's it's something that um is worth remembering for me which is I always you know I always thought it'd be kind of cool to do a job where it was on people's radar so to the degree that that's come true even in a very small way that's that's cool i actually don't mind it but it also is a reminder to not be a shit show yeah yeah yeah it would kill me if somebody was like top you know somebody maybe was a listener or whatever was you know kind of knew about me and then they were telling their friend oh yeah i ran into that have you heard of that um that wait wait don't tell me there's a guy on there but he's like kind of from seattle the burbank guy oh yeah yeah okay would i'll be right yeah oh my god dude i was at a bar and he came in and it was so there's a there's a friend of mine in los angeles who and it's not hollywood power player win rosenfeld who refuses to respond to my emails and texts now is that true we're not even friends anymore is that true no but he did the other day he did tweet it he took the time to tweet at me an old review of a friend of ours and a former colleague laura laura conaway who was um a writer on the bryant park project had found an old pitchfork review of the sigarose album the sigarose album talk and in i think it was talk and in the review they mention what an absolute shit job i did on that interview with sigarose oh i don't think i'd ever read i had never read this pitchfork review like it's not a review of our show it was a review of the album where they went out of their way to talk about how badly i did talking to the band but uh win was kind enough to retweet that to me so that's how i Wait, did they mention you by name?

I don't think so. I think they just said NPR or something. And they didn't say, like, they didn't put it on. Okay, listen, I'm looking for this now. I haven't even read this, but I'm already defensive.

Just go to Wynn's feed or, you know.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

He retweeted it. Laura found it.

But here's what drives me crazy. Like, it's been a long time since I've heard that, and we don't need to relitigate this. I mean, this is going back to pre-TBTL days, and obviously it's gotten a lot of real estate on the show over the years. but this review are you being a little bit sensitive did this review call out your interviewing skills or to call out what a terrible interview they are like maybe a sudden maybe because i'm work on the other side of this it's like it wasn't your fault they weren't talking to you

no no it wasn't they i believe they said i i'm let me see i'm trying to you know oh i know how i can find it i wrote a response to it so that's i'll find it in my replies no no they specifically said that i asked very obvious bad questions again i don't think they said i don't think okay so here we go actually sorry the the album was half heim which i think was a documentary slash album if i remember okay so this is 2007 it's a review of the album half heim which i'm probably saying wrong um let's see a couple of weeks ago the masochist at npr posted a video clip of an attempted conversation with members of sigur rose titled when good interviews go bad the pauses between question and answer are painfully long the answer is brief at best and completely disinterested at worst you'd almost think the whole thing was a joke if it were the least bit funny oh surely wow surely the icelandic band isn't a bunch of sourpusses neither do they seem particularly antagonistic but at this point one imagines the only thing tougher than speaking to sigaros about well-trod subjects invented language iceland's music scene is actually being in sigaros and constantly getting asked questions about music all but designed to speak for itself um so i guess that was it maybe that wasn't though maybe that wasn't it wasn't positive but it didn't go on quite as long as i remembered i think they get onto the review super kind though they are i mean

i guess i sort of lost the thread there a little bit not being as smart as your average pitchfork listener it sort of sounds like they are saying though that like there's a little bit in there that sounds like if they were behind the microphone they know enough about music and culture and sigurosa's place in there that they could have these smart these intellectuals these musical intellectuals at pitchfork wouldn't be been able to do that screw you that website's never gonna

survive oh wait yeah right i think i think their point was what's kind of interesting is i don't even know who wrote this it doesn't even seem like there's a byline on it but i think yeah i think the point of this little blurb was uh or the way they got into it was to basically say like sigaros must be really tired of getting asked about the made-up language and that they sing in um which is which is probably true i mean not that how do you not ask that for a general npr audience for a show that is trying to reach a bunch of people the like 80 of whom have never heard of sigaros you sort of have to and that's where like a person writing for pitchfork is not trying to do the same job as a person trying to host a show on npr exactly where you know and i sometimes i give i think in my mind uh a little derisively about the over explaining of npr like terry gross was interviewing this um pianist um and his i think his album or maybe he wrote a memoir called every good boy does fine which i feel like almost everyone knows those that's you know the what do you call it notes yeah the scale i think i don't know if it's

i don't know if it's technically a scale maybe i do need to explain i've just actually very much

supported Terry Gross' whole thing, which everybody

Every time she would say, every good boy does fine, she would then explain what it means. I thought, I bet you the listeners to this show get it.

But so sometimes I think the Batman is for listeners who don't know a caped crusader who fights crime. Do you remember that? Yes, of course.

So so I do think that sometimes public radio can over explain things. But that being said I was asking very obvious questions of the band Because I was trying to Draw out the interesting points About that band for people who were unaware But all of that is to say I have a friend in LA Who is not Hollywood power player Wynn Rosenfeld And this person Actually tends to go to a couple of bars Out in Los Feliz that you and I used to love The Drawing Room and the Rustic And there is a person Who shall remain nameless who is a a member of a very popular podcast um like it's kind of a two-person operation and this person is just a rolling disaster like and my friend just has story after story of this person just being completely out of control and i think about that when i think about other how other people and this this person's much more famous than i am um and on a podcast that like you know you said we want to have four times the listeners this show has four times the listeners but i just think about that being my reputation in the world or like if i was you know back in the day of living in la if i went to the tattletale a lot and which i did and everybody there was like oh my god that That guy is so tiring and he just gets – like the stories that I've heard from my friend about this particular – this semi-public figure, it chills me to my core because I could be that semi-public figure sometimes and it would really destroy me if that were the word on the street about me. I had no idea that's what Linda Holmes is like.

That's a joke. That was not slander. You have to say it's a joke before you say it. What are the rules on that?

I'm not sure. Who's our boss?

Trigger warning, spoiler alert. I'm about to make a Linda Holmes joke, so I thought it would be quasi deep cut. Holmes, you don't play that? Well, also, I mean, not to make you even more paranoid, but the other thing I've been thinking of is, like, also, we live in a day and age where it's not just word of mouth. It's also if somebody's acting really ridiculous or something, somebody could tape, you know, film it, post it to Instagram, or take a photo or something, too. again like i don't know how messed up you'd have to be for somebody to take a photo of you and be

like oh and i'm generally not by the way i don't want to make the listeners worried that i'm just like in some kind of free fall but again it's just this sense of like there's either being more or less anonymous or just being a person who is moving through the world with very little awareness that they work in some kind of job and then there's being famous and then there's something well south of famous but slightly north of anonymous and that's currently where i reside yes yes and so i have to just kind of bear that in mind and i i asked for it and um i've been pursuing it in a way and and i mean and it feels nice too to be honest with you like i would be lying if i said that it it didn't feel kind of nice to think that me being somewhere kind of like that's the exact right the exact right amount of celebrity is you go somewhere and someone tells their friend hey guess who's here and you never even hear about it that's the perfect

until you're on your podcast

at that time I would have been like oh gosh well I don't know I would have maybe felt a little bit shy or something but that's the exact right amount of celebrity you're totally unaware of it no one's doing anything different or weird there's a tiny, there's one text message saying oh the guy from The Thing is here that's about that's good that's the right level i we can't make this show four times as popular andrew because you and i will not survive the crush of the paparazzi yeah no that's true also

we won't survive if we don't get to a break probably so pod the podperazzi is that what

you call the the people that just post up outside of like um you know the the my favorite murderer Georgia Hardstark And the other one Like Would you call those pod paratsi?

I think you would I think I had some pod paratsi outside my house The other day, actually I'm thinking about an encounter I had with a random person Walking down the street Pretty late at night While I was standing in my backyard the other day I want to tell you that story sometime on TBTL But now is not the time We've got to talk about your cat, right? That's what I was going to say before We've got to take a break but I want to hear about bubbles I'm very excited about this. Okay. So, quick break, and then back with more TBTL in a moment. We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man, razzle-dazzle.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle-dazzle.

Let's thank some dazzling donors. These are the wonderful, generous folks dazzling us with their donations of dough each month, which, as we remind you, and we'll be reminding you a lot in a couple of weeks during the TV Telethon, that's how we're able to do this. We want to thank Zinzi Bailey in Miami, Florida. The famous Dr. Bailey. Speaking of starstruck, when Zinzi Bailey enters a bar, everyone starts texting their friends. Zinzi's here. because Zinzi is our TBTL epidemiology correspondent and a person who is regularly featured on National Public Radio. When they need to talk about something from an epidemiological perspective, they call Zinzi Day. Zinzi says, I want to say hi and thank you, Andrew and Luke and everyone in the TBTL community for the continuous support and for being one of the only constants in my pandemic life. Well, that and being an emerging media celebrity. Stay safe out there folks I feel like we Have A fair number of people checking in from Miami for one reason or another It does seem that way The 305 showing up Hardcore In the TBTL narrative lately Also is that Miami's area

I don't know I was very impressed there You just did that thing where you just Say it confidently and I went along Yeah Miami Florida Can I see? You know what threw me? You know what threw me? Uh-huh.

I was like, I know the 305. That's Miami. But then I was remembering the song Ice Ice Baby, where Vanilla Ice says A1A Beachfront Avenue, but A1A is a reference to a road.

Yeah, to a thing.

But in my mind, I was like, wait, is that 818? And then Blue Scholars have a song called 808, which is the area code for parts of Hawaii. So I just had a lot.

Wait, aren't they singing 808? They're singing 808 as an area code, not as the drum machine?

I think they're – I think it's probably a dual meaning. Ah, interesting. Because they're talking about the – because 808 is the Honolulu area code, I think.

Interesting.

But also, like you said, the 808 is that. It's the big old speaker. Anyway, that's a long and complicated way of saying thank you, Zinzi. Is that where you expected it to go, Zinzi?

Can I try something, Luke? I think this is going to be a disaster. Literally a major disaster. Genevieve is starting to talk in drops a little bit, too, by the way. I think I heard literally a major disaster come from her yesterday. I want to try playing this morning edition piece. This is about masking. I want to see if we can get some Zinzi tape in here.

95% of U.S. counties have low COVID community levels, meaning people there can live, learn, work, and shop without masks. The entire country at this point really doesn't have an indoor mask mandate. It's really not consistent to have a mask mandate on a plane or a bus versus the whole community. Here we go. Here we go. And matter of discordance, the mask mandate applies to city buses, but not to school buses. Still, Zinzi Bailey, a social epidemiologist at the University of Miami, says the CDC's mask mandate for travelers can make a meaningful difference. When we are in enclosed public spaces with other people who may be from a variety of different locations, it's prudent to have a mask, right? Power out.

Way to go, Dr. B. Wow. Was it worth it? Did it pay off, Luke? Absolutely.

Now, you knew when that was coming up because you were probably reading the transcript.

I was reading the transcript and trying to, but also try to needle drop. You know, not my best needle dropping, but certainly not my worst.

No, I think it was good. And a good message as well. Let's err on the side of caution.

Good thing I turned this into a review of me instead of Zinzi. Yes.

Thank you, Zinzi, and thank you, Andrew, for your help in this. I do what I can. Maestro.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set.

Now ready. Ready.

Ready. Go. Everybody ready.

I'm just realizing I have had so much coffee today. Yeah. So much coffee. Like, as I just took, as I just basically polished off mug numero trace, I was like, huh, why is my heart beating like a hummingbird? we got to thank kevin's and tarski in omaha nebraska kevin says i want to thank you too for continuing to be such amazing imaginary friendos for another absolute cluster fluff of a year i love that i've never heard that before i don't know if kevin made it up but i love i feel like the other one the kind of a little bit more

more profane one is you know has been in regular use for a long time but it's a little aggressive a lot of the time like you talk about oh i was down i went to the grocery store and it was a real cluster f and it's like that just immediately is going to put whoever you're you're in a bad mood they're in a bad mood but cluster fluff is like yeah you know what it was messed up but

It was fluffy.

Yeah, it was tolerable.

It had some round edges. There's that place, too, the Cluster Fluff and Fold, which is right next to the dry cleaners.

That's where you had to take your stuff when your laundry broke at your old house, right? That's right. And you got zero compensation for it? Yes, exactly. This community is fantastic at reminding me that there are good people still out there who genuinely care about the well-being of their neighbors. And on that note, I am so excited to start the next chapter of my life and do my part to grow the listenership of this boutique podcast as my wife, Melissa, and I are expecting our first child at the end of April.

Now, we're past that. Keep in mind, these were submitted a while back, so I think maybe some congratulations are in order. Sorry for reading this so late, Kevin.

Or if Melissa is still with child, you got to go to the mall and take a walk. You got to get that baby moving. And we are we are way overdue here. You know, that was my mom's my mom, who birthed eight children. Her, you know, she had a lot of tips and tricks and techniques. And her big one was to go to the Northgate Mall around when she was due when she was ready to get that baby out of her out of her. And then she would just walk the mall until something shifted. But you'd have to go into every store and use the bathroom because the baby would be like resting on her bladder. Yeah. None of the stores in the mall have public bathrooms. By the way, you go into. yankee candle or jk gill and they don't have a public bathroom my mom you know big as a house

they got to let her use the bathroom so but wait they don't anyway but don't i figure all mall employees use like a common restroom in the mall not each little store like hot topic doesn't have

a bathroom back there right you know that's a good point i wonder how that worked i guess i never actually followed her i knew she made a lot of stops to use the bathroom but maybe i'm maybe i've mandela did into being in each individual store the point is kevin and melissa uh were due at the end of april kevin said we're happy nervous and stoked all at the same time and in a show of solidarity my wife started referring to herself as a 16 since she's 11 and pregnant with a 5 you love to hear it that math is rock solid yes she is wonderful and i am blessed to have her as my partner i also wanted to volunteer as your dedicated omaha nebraska correspondent in case the omaha category ever comes up on jeopardy again and the champion doesn't get any of the answers correct your first fun fact the henry dorley zoo here in town regularly ranks in the top five or ten zoos not only nationally but in the world it's located right next to the site Where Rosenblatt Stadium Of College World Series fame Formerly stood Now this is the thing I even know this part Like going to the College World Series Was in Omaha For many, many years And maybe it still is But it was always a thing Where it was like Oh, we're going to Omaha That was a big deal And I only knew this Because I was the College baseball reporter Oh, right For the University of Washington Daily Right, right So it was all about Are the Huskies Going to make it to Omaha This year

Right, right, right And you had your little fedora With the little press thing in there You and Danny I did Yeah

Yep, yeah. If anybody ever watched a game played at that stadium, you probably noticed the Desert Dome exhibit visible out in left center field. Hopefully, that'll do as a resume. It does, Kevin. It very much does. Much affection to all you 10s, and here's to another year together. Peace and love. Kevin, Melissa, Divot, our pod dog. And future 10, Baby Z. and then Kevin signs it P.S. Slabjacking I've been seeing a lot of slabjacking commercials on TV I feel like it's really coming back in the consciousness maybe we should work it back in you're going to be slabjacking with that baby I'll tell you what all hours of the day and night Kevin so very good luck to you and your family and that's awesome thank you so much for supporting the show hello and welcome to top story speaking of new arrivals and this is a much less important thing than a human child but i am getting this cat today andrew and it's pretty funny how like weirdly excited i am like many many people have cats including you and genevieve including my daughter including most of the people i know it's not like a big story to get a cat But I've never...

had this particular situation so like i had i lived with a cat named pagoda who was actually part of the tbtl merch universe and i liked pagoda but that was uh van's cat um that i just kind of like you know coexisted with peacefully then we had olive carrie and i but that was also olive was an indoor outdoor cat was very self-sufficient we never had to deal with like litter or anything she just kind of like came and went on her own and and it still is up there in bellingham uh so that was a kind of low impact on me this is got this whole thing is like i'm bringing a like eight week old cat home to live in this apartment with me and i'm like i'm doing all kinds of research i'm trying to figure out how to acclimate her and and get her to use the litter box and what kind of food she has to eat because she's a bangle kitten she's got to eat like something that's called ancient feline food because i think bangles are like their dna is still kind of out there on the serengeti or something there's just a lot of unknowns for me at age 46 uh on the thing that's again not really a point of stress for most people but i really want to do this right so i'm got the it's it's like i'm bringing home a child later today and i'm trying to get everything all set up and ready for her so she can be comfortable and and uh you know just i don't know settle in here didn't know you like to get slab jacked sorry i

had that thought about um five minutes ago but i didn't want to interrupt you and so i just needed to get it out um so we can just like i'll cut it out in post don't worry about it but um okay that's out of my system now um wow i didn't know you had that drop um that was me right you just played a drop of me yeah wow that was slab jacking that was weird i did not know that existed or that i said that in that manner um but uh first of all now we have you saying didn't know you like i didn't um i don't think it's weird to be excited to bring a new pet in the house of course i mean i mean i feel like it's ridiculous for you to say that you shouldn't be uh excited well no no

i'm not saying i shouldn't be excited i'm saying that like this is this is when you really know that you're a little too close to being if not a narcissist somewhat self-centered because i ever lots and lots of people have gotten cats in their lives and gotten kittens and it's a cool thing but i'm like but but now it's happening to me everyone yeah but now it really matters

because it's part of my story but well i mean that's exactly i mean yeah i still don't quite i don't think that's narcissism i think that like you know if you know when our friends kevin and anita got a cat somewhat recently they were very excited for them i was happy for them but they were obviously my obviously my level of excitement was deeply offensive how excited they were was less than theirs, because they were the ones bringing home a pet. Pretzel was really chomping on me the other night, by the way. Oh, on your foot? Was Pretzel going after your foot?

Yeah, we were watching the fight, and I was fine. Again, everything now feels to me like I'm collecting info. So Pretzel jumps on me, and you know, Andrew, shoes off. So the cat's just going, like chomping on my big toe, and it didn't hurt, but I was like, okay, now if Bubble starts doing this, at what point is it like I gotta stop her? At what point is it okay? Anything Everything involving a cat now is like me building up my little kind of mental sort of Rolodex on cat things.

Well, I did want to ask you this. Where are you putting the litter box? That's the number one question for me. In the bathroom. Okay, that'll work. What are your plans there? Hooded one. Where would you? Now, you've got to remember, I'm in an apartment. Yeah, no, I don't know. I've never been to your apartment. So I don't have a utility room. My reaction there was not judgmental. It was that my brain wandered for a second. I apologize.

Something came across my between asking the question and hearing the literally.

Yes, something came across my screen and I was just like, oh, OK, I expected maybe a longer answer. But you just gave me one word, which is right, because it's a one word answer. Like I was in the wrong. I wasn't being a very good host. But don't take my weird little reaction. There is like me being judgmental. I just was kind of for a second, for a split second, half listening. No, bathroom is good. I'm just always curious about this because this is the big deal, especially as a apartment dweller which i have been uh most of my life like that's always like the the the big question and and weirdly luke when veves and i were house hunting it became we didn't think of it at first until we were looking at more and more houses it became one of the number one questions is like where do we put the litter box and um we have a pretty good solution here because we're in the basement and there's a place where there's like um uh like a little furnace room that we have that i call the boiler room and so that's kind of perfect it's tucked away we can leave the little sliding door open for the cat we can keep it really clean it's like it's out of sight out of mind but that's kind of the perfect and maybe it's not perfect but like that that's kind of ideal but i mean i've had litter boxes in in like kind of the front foyers before i've had litter boxes in the bathroom i mean there's there's a given

take with all of these solutions so the layout of this place that i'm in it's a two-bedroom apartment so i'm in one of the bedrooms right now which is just the studio and then there's the other bedroom there's a living room and then the kitchen is kind of sort of part of the living room with like an island off of the kitchen and so to me it seemed like and also that i've mentioned the bathroom here is a is very weird it's like as big as one of the bedrooms it has a ton of kind of dead space in it perfect and i attribute that to something architectural like there's some support there's some reason like there's it makes no sense for the bathroom to be as big as one of the bedrooms if it in any way takes away from the size of the kitchen and living room but i think it has to just do with where the structural support of this apartment building was and that just like how it kind of shook out so the good news there is there's a lot of room there's this one area that's kind of ideal for it i think so i'm not going with a covered litter box because i was reading that sometimes it can be a little intimidating to a young cat if they're if it's if it's covered initially like they might be a little bit less likely to want to go check it out so i've got this uncovered one also my long-term plan is to potty train this cat so um i just want to get her like associating with the litter box figuring it out um using it ideally and then the other thing that i read is you know you want to when they're young you want to really be on top of cleaning it so that which i would be anyway because you know me i'm not going to like have no bunch of you know cat leavens in a litter box i would pretty much like scoop it as soon as it happens if i'm there but also you want to keep it really clean when they're a kitten in particular so that they want to keep using it you don't want to create any impediment or unpleasant experience for them so that for now is going to be in the bathroom but her food and water is going to be out kind of adjacent to the kitchen and um because i feel like the food and water that's not gross i feel like the litter box is gross i don't want the litter box anywhere near the living room or kitchen yeah it's my big it's the big reason that it ended up kind of where it ended up yeah no no

that's good especially if you have an oversized bathroom that's a really good um use for it now i'm sure you you're already buying all the top stuff on amazon or whatever but like you know

i'm sure you're gonna buy if you haven't already talk myself out of buying a 256 dollar teepee for her yesterday yeah like i was on all modern and i was like my finger was hovering over and i was like this is madness this is like more than the cat cost to buy i bought a scratching post that looks like um a cactus okay kind of a green southern like a saguaro and that wasn't cheap and then uh i was gonna buy this teepee and i was like no no no no just calm down just just slow it down calm down so i didn't buy that but i've been buying her a lot of other stuff just be ready

though because i'm sure that you'll buy us we got a pad a special pad to put under the litter box here that's been working out probably better than i thought i was going to that kind of contains the well we call them yeah thanks to my dad we call them shit seeds in my family um but just like the you know like it's not the actual it's not the actual waste of the cap but it's just like all of the litter just they they will naturally kick it out of the box and you will and you know if you're in the bathroom that's a place where you're going to be barefoot sometimes you're

going to i bought a mat as well like it's on it's under the litter box it's kind of like a doormat more or less but it's got you know a grippy substance on it so that hopefully um the that will catch a lot of the litter i guess we'll see how randy does to the roomba right the room

service because that was my next thing i was gonna say also they have these mats now that They're almost like kind of two levels. That's kind of what we have where it's kind of got bigger holes in it. And it's like somehow the seeds, like all them seeds, somehow kind of end up between the two layers. That's actually been working out really well. But, yeah, I forgot that you have a room because maybe that will take care of this. I was going to say if you have an electrical outlet near that litter box, I would buy yourself one of those small little, like, just handheld, almost like Dustbuster type of little vacuum. Yeah, if you can plug that around there, too. that way like every day just kind of you know in the morning or whatever you can just clean it up you just kind of nip it in the bud because you don't want to you don't want that stuff getting tracked around which i know that you wouldn't but it's just i'm just preparing you for that that's kind of been that's the biggest kind of bane that you might have to deal with the shit seeds

yeah that's um i'm at this advanced age uh luckily i think i'm pretty good at staying on top of that kind of stuff um i'm i'm much tidier now than i was like say when i was 26 or something or maybe younger than that but um i'm also kind of curious like is she gonna want to sleep with me is she going to which i'm like fine with i know that probably people go back and forth on that like do you want the cat to jump up in bed with you or do you want them to sleep on their little thing or something certainly with dogs like with rudy i was a pretty strong rudy has a really awesome bed to sleep in and that's kind of better for everybody but i'm gonna believe you me i'm i'll be completely fine if she wants to come lump it up as you say Yeah.

That would be such a – well, that's something kind of specific. Our cat, when she gets nervous, she'll go – because she'll spend a lot of time just sleeping kind of on the bed even when we're not in it. But then if she hears an unfamiliar voice or something spooks her a little bit, she somehow gets up under the covers, and then you just look at this bed that is perfectly made except it's got a lump the size of a cat underneath it, and she's lumping it up. But, yeah, I would never – and, again, everybody's got their own thing and cleanliness. And I, you know, I wash our sheets quite a bit because, you know, it's easy to because we're lucky enough to have a washer and dryer here in the home. So there's no need not to. But I understand there's some cleanliness issues, but I would never have a pet if I couldn't like snuggle that pet like in bed.

Like, yeah, I'm very that's a big appeal. The other thing I realized is probably when doing this show now, I have – there's a door that is a pocket door that's closed because my neighbors, if they were to come out of their apartment, where I'm doing the show from right now is relatively close to my front door and there where they are. And so I just – so for my own – because I'm a podcaster and I do care who knows it, Andrew, for my own sense of well-being, I like there to be as much buffer as possible. Well, if I have an eight-week-old kitten here, that cat is not going to be happy with a closed door, just chilling on the other side. And then if I were to bring her in here and close the door, then she'll probably want to leave. So I guess that thing's going to have to be cracked for the foreseeable future slash for the rest of time that I work out of this apartment.

Really depends on what the cat's personality is, too. You know, like there was a time when Bananas would never come visit me in my studio. That just wasn't something she did. And and and that was fine. So maybe maybe your cat will just sleep, you know, somewhere during the show or maybe that's the I mean, I don't know.

And that's a huge question mark, too, because every cat has a different personality and it's just a complete I mean, I've I've hung out with her one time briefly outside of a pet co. and and um so i have i mean i it's it's it's a pretty big question i mean you know i guess it is in a little in a much much less intense way like having a kid where you just kind of you wonder how what are they going to be like like what's their deal going to be this is like i wonder if she's going to be like a cat that is following me around and wants to hang out with me and is fun you know like wants to play games or cuddle or is she going to be kind of aloof and just like doing her own thing it will just um you know it will reveal itself over time but i am

i'm pretty excited yeah and over time for sure because i i've seen um with both my cats like um over the years change personalities in some cases kind of slowly and subtly in other cases kind of um significantly and uh but even theo like theo who you know lived 21 years was a kind of had a different personality in year 20 than he did certainly even in year 15 or 10 i mean they they change and evolve with you so it's exciting i'm just really hoping and this is what

i'm going to try to i don't know how much i can impact this but i just really want her to be a chill ass cat who can kind of hang yeah yeah like like uh one that i can easily get in and out of the cat carrier to take to the vet one that you know i can kind of like hopefully you know if i'm going between here and this house that i bought a lot i can you know put her in the cat carrier put her in the back of the car she can kind of be cool there like i i'm hoping it's not going to be a situation where it's like she's high stress freaked out all the time like olive again because of olive's barn cat ways was absolutely and totally not okay with getting into the cat carrier and going to the vet and all these things i would just like to get an easy cat like a cat that's basically like hey whatevs like becca's cat holly is that way she just was like okay she's like a tuxedo cat and she just like she jumps in the you know and the carrier and then it's just kind of purring in the back seat and can like just it's an easy thing to deal with i'm kind of i'm really hoping that's what i get with this one bubbles yeah i i will admit that

like bananas our cat that we currently have um has like i say really warmed up to us especially since theo died and i've talked about that a lot on the show that like she she was getting a lot of affection or was able to kind of get and give a lot of affection with theo in the house and with him gone she has sort of transferred a lot of that to me and vive so she definitely like if given the opportunity she will you know like she she would be on my lap right now if she happened to be down here she's just sort of in a pattern where she's not hanging out downstairs much right now but like you know it's really great but she's never going to be a chill cat and i'll always be a little envious of like we were talking about our friend's cat pretzel earlier and like pretzel is just so sociable you know what I mean and I gotta say it's kind of a bummer to know that like when somebody comes over or somebody like the electrician came over and was making some noise with drills the other day and bananas like that ruined her day man she went hiding for a long time and I know was really kind of upset by that and that that just

bums you out and i do wonder like both of my cats had weird kind of personalities with theo and bananas and i do wonder how much i'm responsible for that like maybe i have a oh don't put that

on yourself high strung person i don't know no i can't even imagine that that would be in any way connected it probably just the luck of the draw if this cat loves to gamble and sometimes have too many drinks and then get picked up by a tens partner we will know that's my influence on bubbles That much, that's a straight line. We can draw that straight line. This story has quite the headline, Andrew, which is, I have to give credit to Tristan Hopper writing for the Calgary Herald. Canadian astronauts no longer free to rob and kill with abandon in space or on the moon. That is, I would say, journalistically, well, I would say it's not bunk journalism. It's a stretch. It's a stretch. I mean, the logic is not complete. It's not it's not false what they're saying, but it is a funny place to take it buried deep within the legislation implementing Canada's 2022 federal budget is a criminal code amendment that would explicitly extend Canadian criminal jurisdiction to the cosmos. um here's the exact verbiage a canadian crew member who during a space flight commits an act or omission outside canada that if committed in canada would constitute an indictable offense is deemed to have committed that act or omission in canada reads the measure that's included in bill c19 which is uh part of the federal budget so what this is basically saying is um if you are a canadian astronaut you are now bound by the law which is this is where this guy tristan makes a turn he goes this means presumably that canadians can currently murder and rob all they want provided that they do it while in orbit so that's the extrapolation uh is that since they had to make this law and the law hasn't passed yet i guess this budget is probably working its way through or this amendment to the budget as of right now if you're going to commit a space crime as a canadian i would say do it and didn't they say that the u.s actually does have

something codified into its law books because of some i remember i read this story a couple of days ago when you sent it and i feel like there was some story about a couple of like um i guess like researchers scientific researchers out on an ice flow somewhere and one of them shot the other one or killed the other one i can't remember and because of that maybe that um i can't remember did that like kind of spur on the idea that like we need to have a law that says even if you're in an area that is not technically claimed by any sovereign nation whether that's space or out in the middle of the ocean or whatever you are held to the same law standards as you would in your

home country yeah it was in 1984 that the u.s passed a law subjecting their citizens to criminal law in the event the alleged crime is committed quote outside the jurisdiction of any nation and And this was because of something that happened in 1970. A U.S. citizen living in a research station aboard a floating ice sheet shot a fellow researcher to death over a dispute involving a stolen bottle of homemade wine.

Oh, right. I forgot about that dazzling detail.

Both the accused and the victim were U.S. citizens. they were living in a u.s facility but the iceberg happened to be within canadian territory at the time of the crime right so that was why the u so eventually canada just basically said look we will refer this back to the united states even though it's technically happening within like the bounds of canada we don't want to deal with these crazy wine smugglers so you deal with it u.s and then they eventually passed a law the other thing is the international space station there's an agreement there's some legal framework between all of the countries that are part of the ISS about what happens on the ISS legally so it's not like because the international space station people are living up there for long stretches of time and so they have to have some sort of that's not just lawlessness up there so but this there's some kind of other part of this like basically a Canadian who was like traveling to the space station before they got to the space station it would have been unregulated or if they were in orbit for some reason basically there was some kind of connective points in the journey that were not there was no law around them and so they're trying to fix that in canada i really think though i mean this seems kind of like a silly thing but with more and more people going into space and more and more like not that astronauts can't commit crimes because you know well one we had that astronaut who drove from texas to florida wearing the diapers yep i mean that was an earthbound situation but then there was this allegation which was ultimately found to have no merit right where this there was a a divorce and custody dispute between an astronaut and her wife and i think it was

a u.s astronaut right yes and and i believe her estranged wife her name uh let's see oh i don't have right in front of me her estranged wife basically claimed that she had um stolen her identity we talked about this yeah back when it happened because it was just so wild i think it

had to do with the bank records or something too right they were going through a breakup i believe um and a divorce and and the claim was that the astronaut who was on the international space station was using iss computers to spy on her partners or her wife's or ex-wife's um uh banking but luke give me i i remember that story but that's all i remembered about it and then this art i love this article because i had forgotten about that sort of and then um this has a new

twist to that story that i didn't know about well just that it was ultimately thrown out by the way the astronaut in question was ann mcclain accused by her estranged spouse a summer warden of unlawfully using an iss computer computer to access for online bank records which warden contended was a form of identity theft the allegations were subsequently found to be false and a warden now stands accused of lying to u.s investigators so that's yeah that's the update on

that story i didn't know that i didn't know that they were false allegations and i certainly didn't know that now now i mean that's you don't want to be investigated for like lying to federal officials involving the international space station i don't know man you still want the reason we were so

i think the reason that we were so intrigued by the story was at the time and it was obviously only allegations if those allegations had proved true it would be we were struck by how wild it would be to be in space and then trying to use the iss computer to do something shady like what are you going to like look at porn and then erase your history like it just seems like those computers you don't think there's like 30 guys with buzz cuts in houston and headsets on watching everything that computer does ed harris style like like that is the least anonymous computer system you could use to try to do something nefarious which would explain why it probably didn't happen dave you can't clear the cookies dave you can't clear the cash but you know what i mean like uh it it was shocking at the time the allegation and and again it's it shouldn't be shocking to hear that they found that it didn't happen because if you were going to try to like do something um you know shady that computer every keystroke someone it's probably it's literally going on some giant screen in a control room some like what do you think they just have a computer that they're just like okay you know log out when you're done with it like you're at trying to print out your boarding pass at the hyatt you walk into the you walk into the control

room it's bunch of jib jab videos you're like what the hell are they doing up there like that

thing is just again it just would be the most monitored um computer system of all time and and and would be the absolute worst place to try to do anything questionable or even i mean you it raises the question i'm sorry it begs the question do astronauts have to do astronauts have to worry about their online banking while they're in space do electric sheep dream of checking their chase account what's the philip k dick yeah title uh do android's dream of electric sheep i think that's the one i was close um you're like i wonder if you are an astronaut let's just say you're an astronaut but like you're single okay and you're in space i mean i guess you're not spending any money so things should be generally fine but what about like auto pay on your mortgage or your cell phone bill like what happens to your real life if you're on the space station for nine months and you just don't happen to have a person on terra firma who's going to be like do you actually check your bank account from space

does that happen up there yeah or or do you have computers that are personal computers you can take personal items up there but it's whatever is going to be what's the yeah exactly are you need one of those repeater things for the wi-fi so it's strong in your capsule um yeah i don't know because you you're right about the idea of these computers must be you know especially the work computers they must be monitored or at least have records of every keystroke but on the other hand computers are an integral part of people's private lives now too and so you must be able to have some sort of concessions for private computers that are not monitored up there right like so that you can have yeah intimate zoom conversations with loved ones so that you can have you can do all kinds of things related to your life that is not public that should not be public i guess that's

a good point because it's one thing if you're just going up for a day or two and then you're coming back down but if you're living up there you need to be able to communicate with people on the ground in a way that is private just for

own emotional well-being because of how connected we are through that stuff these days um also it's kind of surprising to me that there hasn't been a space crime on the space station or maybe we just haven't heard about it i don't mean like a murder but just like you put whatever nine people in a floating tuna can for years at a time it's like you have some of those people have to suck right like a couple of them have to be like just at the very least annoying yeah i wonder if like

patty moriarty is actually floating out in space somewhere right now but you know what i mean like

they they're these are obviously highly highly trained individuals who've dedicated their life to science and and and and getting the qualifications to do this and so that probably generally selects for a person who at the very least is able to keep it professional but some of them still have to just be kind of boring or kind of annoying or kind of laugh at their own jokes or something where you're just like just like floating and then you just like ah shit it's karen and you're just like sorry like try to oh yeah sorry karen that's not fair you know what i was is there a made-up name you're just i won't give a name you're floating into like one of the chambers i'm doing this physically by the way as i'm telling you andrew You're floating into one of the chambers Or whatever they call them And then you just see that person who annoys you And then you're just like You try to bend your floating body back around

And float right back out With your like that umbilical cord thing That is connected to the The baby in 2001 There was a podcast That was about A group It was almost like The real world for I feel like it was for a group that was training to go into space oh it felt a little i listened to some of it i think are they still down there

in there they might be it was like two years and weren't they trying to prepare for mars

i was it a mars thing maybe that was right yes and i remember so i thought it was a good idea but it felt a little bit long i mean we kind of i complain about this a lot i might not be the you know this just my own personal taste i just remember feeling like okay let's get to it It just felt like it was like they were adding a lot of breadcrumbs to that meatloaf to get to whatever their episode limit was or episode quota was. But that's a mean thing to say because I'm sure other people really enjoyed that show. It was just a little bit slow for me. But, yeah, no, it's an interesting thing to think about because it is like personalities. Like that is – I mean, how do you train for that?

Well, as we learned in the documentary Biodome starring Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin.

Oh, I was going to go with a Brendan Fraser. I think I'm thinking of Encino Man

I think you're thinking of Encino Man Which is considered a comedy classic Do the Anteater But I think it was Is that the, is Stephen Baldwin The one that played, or no, is Stephen Baldwin The one that Is very handsome and is married to Chyna Phillips and now they're like Very religious Or is Stephen the one that played Fred Rubble

But isn't Stephen a blondie

Well Oh, Billy Okay, Billy is the one that's still very, very handsome He's married to Chyna Phillips from Wilson Phillips And they are extremely religious In fact, can I just play you something, Andrew That is just completely shocking to me There was a meme going around on TikTok You'll be surprised to hear that I was looking at TikTok And I had no idea what the source of it was Until I found out at some point It's Chyna Phillips playing like celebrity family feud of some kind. So it's Steve Harvey is hosting. Now I've kind of needle dropped this on this YouTube video, but China Phillips was about to try to do her part of the, I think it's maybe like the final part of family feud, you know, where like one person is being held in a soundproof chamber, then they have to come out and try to get enough points to add on to what the first person did. And this is China Phillips.

Survey set.

Okay. Oh, wait. Hold on. I think maybe it's before this. It was basically right before she did her... Okay, here we go. So this is... I think it's like Carnie Wilson is going to be wrapping up.

Oh, okay.

And so this must have been a whole Wilson Phillips thing. Okay, now... And then we're going to get... So this is Carnie Wilson's last guest. She does really well. Everyone's happy. Now they're going to bring Chyna Phillips out. I've way, way oversold this. Chyna!

Chyna! Woo!

China? Yes, sir. Carney did okay. She got 184.

That's better than okay. That's great. That's like all but 16. I'm going to ask you the same five questions you can... Hold on! Holy Spirit, activate. Oh, no. Holy Spirit, activate. Holy Spirit, activate. Yeah, Andrew. Activate. Activate. All right, let's go.

11 years. 11 years has never happened before.

Steve Harvey. That's dope. I got a God bless. I stepped on that.

Holy Spirit, activate. Holy Spirit, activate. Activate. Activate. All right, let's go.

11 years has never happened before.

Right.

That is awful.

Wow.

Holy Spirit. Oh, no, Steve.

I said, okay.

Now he's doing it. He started it again.

Come on, you can do this. Next time you're down at the DMV.

holy spirit you can also tell that the other phillipses and wilson's are mortified like they're just trying to like they're because it's like so it's this appears to be wilson phillips against uh i think like an acapella group called pentatonix oh yeah they're famous yeah they're they're well known and it's like so this must have been you know battle of the uh of the bands as it were but i had no idea and we have lots of listeners who are christians and people of faith you know um i will just say that i did not realize that um china phillips had reached a place with her personal journey with christ where she before answering questions on family feud does a dance

and song called holy spirit activate yeah and i mean from yeah and also everybody can have their faith i don't i would never take that away from anybody and they can celebrate it however they want and it seemed like it was a lighthearted moment but i always do think though like what if this was somebody who was muslim and they wanted to do something that was i don't traditional in their own religion like the reaction would just be so much different so much different it's just you know i don't need to get too far into but there's a story of this like high school coach here and in washington state who wants his old job back his contract wasn't renewed because he was just praying on the 50 yard line and if students wanted to join him they could join him and hey if they want to learn about god like he wasn't forcing the issue and i'm just like yeah but the power dynamics there are off and also it would be a different story if you weren't doing christiany things but other religiony things out there you know it would be a different story you

absolutely know it would and you know great legal mind brett kavanaugh even raised an issue with this andrew i don't know if you heard that and who knows how he'll ultimately vote i'm sure wrong but he he even said like look this is related to the coach praying at the you know middle of the football field after the game Kavanaugh's got kids that play sports and he said look if you're a sports parent you know that a big part of the dynamic is like is your kid in good with the coach yeah and I know that from playing a lot of sports in my day and often not being in good with the coach because I was a little asshole I mean I really was it was just a I was just some real shit out there but like I mean even he said look if the coach is out there praying after the game and you're like trying to move up on the depth chart at wide receiver and the kid who you're kind of vying against for that position is out there praying, you're going to not go pray? Yeah, right. I mean, that's the sort of unspoken stuff around a lot of these team sports. Anyway, and you're 100% right. If he spread out a prayer rug and towards Mecca after the game, I promise you it would be a very different response from the people that are the current people who are defending this as a free speech issue.

Now, I say this in all seriousness. Strong, bad, activate. Strong, bad, activate.

Oh, you're really do you have somewhere to be? I love it. You're really helping kind of. No, that is true. I don't know.

No, I'm not in a hurry. I don't know why I've done that a couple of times. I guess maybe when I'm out of stuff to say, I'm just like, let's get out of here. I'm done.

I like hearing you say StrongBad Activate.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man, it's not from a female.

All right. StrongBad has been activated.

All right. I have a couple of voicemails to play for you here. One that I want to play just came in, I think, this morning. I actually think the listener here does a good job of setting up and reminding us the story that they're talking about. But just to say it once again, and then she'll repeat it, probably. This is the story about the man who spoke many, many languages. And he was also, I believe, a carpet cleaner, right? And there were some dazzling details. A hyperpolyglot. Yes. And there was an incident where one of his customers was talking shit about him in a different language, not realizing that he could understand what they were saying. And I think that he said goodbye to them, maybe in that language. Or maybe he didn't. Maybe he just let it ride.

Anyway, I think he said I think he just as something to that effect, something very subtle, like he didn't confront them, but he just kind of let them know very subtly as he left that he did, in fact, understand everything they were. right so this listener wanted to reference that oh my goodness okay so i was just listening to

the episode where y'all are talking about good gentleman that's a like massive polyglot that can speak multiple languages and how um this portuguese couple was talking trash on him in portuguese in front of him i am fortunate enough to have learned italian um just like by way of family and travel i used to be really fluent in italian now it's kind of gone away because I haven't visited Italy in a while, but I went with my partner and we were eating. We were eating a lot of people and we were so excited to eat the food because we were on vacation and we were three pasta plates. And so we ordered and sat down and then an Italian couple sat down next to us and when our food arrived they were basically like these Americans are so gluttonous and disgusting and blah blah blah. They were talking trash on us while we were eating and let me tell you. Can you

hear enough i know that this isn't the best phone quality but essentially it sounds like they ordered a lot of pasta and then this italian couple next to them yeah they were so excited they're on

vacation in italy they've been looking forward to this they were probably getting a variety of things because this was a fun adventure and then the italians are shit talking them saying these

gluttonous americans exactly when i asked the waiters for the bill in italian i could like feel their energy just like totally I probably should feel so much pleasure in this I felt so good inside I told my auntie about it and she's like you should have told them to have a good night also and I was like well that's the point but yeah it's so satisfying to have someone talk about you in another language and for you to understand them and then yeah

bye bye it's worth learning a language just for that

honestly that Duolingo should make that more part of the sales pitch hey would you like to just put a savage burn on rude people who happen to think you don't speak the language that they're being rude in i love it that would motivate me that could actually get me to stick with uh you know one of these language programs like babble andrew one time tbtl sponsor babble i was gonna say maybe we can get them back uh get them back with that pitch i love it sure um i this came when the original story came up um you and i talked about this so i don't need to just repeat it but like i don't think i would have the self-restraint or just restraint maybe to wait until the very end of the meal to just even though that's the best i mean that's like the best way to deploy this yeah that's really the i like i recognize it's the best way is you let them just do their whole thing and then as you're leaving you just kind of drop a little something on their plate that now has them just completely questioning everything that they just said for hopefully the rest of their lives. Yeah. I feel like I would have to slide in there with something earlier just because I'm terrible at slow playing situations.

I'm also with the listeners and I think saying something to them directly would have been just so sweet but it sounds like the listener might be

slightly nicer than us hey can i play travel to a country where they speak pig latin but they don't think i speak pig latin because that's pretty much the only thing and it has to be the specific kind that i grew up with because you know pig latin is like different everywhere is it i always thought it was well i'll tell you what i thought they're tiny i think they're a tiny regional there can be a tiny regional difference well okay so how would you say do you speak pig latin well i can't i can't

I'm not good at... I can't say a whole sentence, but... Wow, see, there you go. But, like, I would say voicemail would be oysmail vee, right? You take the first letter, you move it to the end, and you add the word.

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How do you say ae, ae, ae, ae, ae, ae? Like, if you have to go to a meeting?

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Leads, the Glen Gary Leads. This next voicemail is from listener Grace. Luke, you and I ended the show a couple of weeks ago now.

Is this Grace who changed my life with the key card code? Maybe.

I don't know. Is this Grace in Brooklyn? I don't know. All right. I don't know. Let's see if Grace says that she's from Brooklyn. I don't know. But you and I, a couple of weeks ago, were talking about, we were joking around about phone throwing being an actual sport. and I believe you and I end up even naming the show something like The Ancient Art of Belgian Phone Throwing and And Grace wanted to say that we were kind of close, actually.

Hi, Luke and Andrew. This is Grace in Ithaca. And I just wanted to call and let you know that mobile phone throwing is a real, legit, although obscure, international sport. And it's not Belgian. It's Finnish. It's not. I don't think it has a super long history, but it's pretty legendary over there. And, yeah, you should look into it. There's some delightful video on the Internet.

I did see some photos when this voicemail came in last week. I did a quick little Google. And, yeah, it sounds like it's some sort of modern, somewhat tongue-in-cheek games that happen over there in Finland where it's actually – I don't know why they're throwing phones, though. I know. I understand why our listeners are. Well – Is it Nokia? You know Nokia was started in Finland. Yeah. As soon as I said – as soon as you said I know, I thought, oh, I'll bet you it's a Nokia thing.

because i went to i went to a facility in espo finland to do um not for cbs but this was actually for microsoft when they acquired the nokia actual like phone division yeah like the physical phones like i think it's called their devices division and then they just tanked it right they just well

yeah ultimately i wonder if you're even allowed to use a microsoft product in finland after that I would be so mad

Well the two things that happened was First we went to Hungary Went to Komarom Hungary And filmed at this like location Where they basically put the phones in boxes And everybody there was so lovely And so stoked to have these jobs that paid well You know locally And when we got back from the trip Somebody in legal said Oh we've actually No one told you that that facility is closing Oh my gosh So that was a waste of a trip to Hungary But then we also went to Finland because the Nokia headquarters, we were talking to the designers of the phones because these were the people who had been designing Nokia phones. But now they were going to be designing phones that were going to be sold technically by Microsoft. And so they were looking for content. This was going to be something that was, you know, you could watch within Microsoft as just like interesting content about what the company is up to. but the main thing i remember about being in finland at this big company was they had the coolest cafeteria i'd ever seen it was real mid-century great furniture and they had cheerleaders they had the day that we were there and i don't think they did this for us because nobody really even realized we were there we were shooting in a very small section of this facility but like we're just having some like finnish food from the cafeteria and do what do they say that they say finish your food so you're gonna finish that you're gonna hey you're gonna finish that show title you're gonna finish that but they all some of these cheerleaders like from the local high school come out or is doing your routine and i asked someone's like is this normal they go yeah they just bring things through to keep it interesting i was like okay i mean it kept it interesting job done yeah job as they famously say in finland and we now have a show title

you're gonna finish that yeah i got it written down locked and loaded all right since i'm leading the show today why don't we uh leave it there for the day uh but don't worry everybody good news we will be back here tomorrow sorry sorry luke do your thing i don't know why i'm i don't know what

this character is i love this character would you consider making me the happiest host of all time and actually doing more of that because that it's just less that i have to do it's great it's you know what honestly it's like it feels nice andrew it feels nice to have somebody else driving this bus and being like we got to get to the next thing i love it i don't my toes not only

do my toes not feel stepped on i feel cared for my favorite thing about the old radio days of tbtl since we were talking about the radio days before is like that there was a clock that you guys had to try to manage and that you were constantly messing up the clock and it was driving jen up a wall and there were so many conversations on air like Luke we gotta move on we gotta move on I loved that energy so much because it always felt like there was something about the scarcity of time that makes the show itself seem even more urgent you know

whenever we talk about the olden days it's more and more clear to me why we were fired because you know what would happen there were commercials based on sorry that we're doing this now but based on what the client had paid there were commercials that could be moved out of the hour in commercials that could not so somebody had paid to be on at 7 30 at night or 7 31 um some kind of slab jacking situation and so sean the real brains behind the show really honestly would just be like okay dude um i can move three of these spots but i cannot move this one so what would end up happening is the spots that were just generally purchased that It would just be. like they're going to run whenever they run by nine o'clock we'd have 48 minutes of spots and the nine o'clock nine to ten hour would just be i don't know if the listeners grasp this fully the people listening on the podcast wouldn't because it was all cut out but just check the third hour there's probably some of those that are about 12 minutes because it would just be like we start and then sean would just be like okay we have 12 and then one of the rules was like the bosses didn't want us to ever have 12 minutes of commercials because of the tune-out factor. Terrible, yeah. Again, I side with them in firing us, now that I think about it. Well, I liked it. Thanks for listening, everybody. We will be back here tomorrow. More Imaginary Radio for you. Until then, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves and each other, and please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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