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Welcome to The Breakdown. I'm Chuck Pierce. And I'm Portia Scott Griffith. And on our panel today we have Obama denier and author of the book, well, I never met him, Alan Jarvis. Transracial fracking misunderstander, Sally Rosenberg. Wiccan priestess and director of the documentary, I Hate the Troops, Imani Focolo. Ken Simpson, a Kentucky dog groomer who used a religious liberty law to refuse service to a gay dog. And Rex, a gay dog. Welcome to the program.

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Let's face it, some people have a way with words, other people, uh, not have a way, I guess.

Usually I don't think my brother's that much funny, but I gotta give him some credit for that one, that's a pretty good spoof. www.this and www.that. Let's www.explain it.

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

Peace and love. Peace and love.

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. It's your lucky day. You just found a USB flash drive in the parking lot. Coming to you from beautiful Portland, Oregon, and the Hollywood Broadcast Center, where it's actually not raining for once.

Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful.

Didn't know you like to get dry, though. So hopefully this will hold. Although, of course, I'm only here in Portland for, I don't know, 34 hours or something before I head to Los Angeles and then on to Denver for TBTL-a-thon 13. Let the fun begin. That's right. All next week we will be broadcasting from Denver live. Like, and for real live, not like figuratively. You can actually listen to the show and call us, and it's all happening in real time. So that is going to be exciting. But today's show is also going to be exciting. It's episode 3,685 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. I mean, we know it's going to be a good show because I got the number right. Apparently, yesterday I had the wrong number when I was broadcasting from New York, so I'm sorry to the folks that that deeply unsettles. I'm one of those folks, by the way. I can ruin my entire day when I get the counting, the numbering of this show off. So here we are at episode 3685 in a collector's series. I want to talk about this pretty cool story that happened in the Bay Area. A Bay Area teenager who's a drummer got a chance to actually play with Pearl Jam.

Kids and fantasy.

And it's a pretty cool story of how it all came together. Now, it's also a story that features some sort of bunk journalism from... I'd like to point out to anybody watching, this is really bunk journalism. From the New York Post, which I know, I hope you're all sitting down, as I mentioned that the New York Post engaged in some kind of slightly bunk journalism, but we will delve into that. Plus some emails and V-mails. Oh, and I, well, I have made a decision. I did something. I purchased something today that is evidence of a decision that I've made between late last night and early this morning involving going back to wearing masks. Mask, mask, mask, mask, mask. So I'll update everybody on that. And we will talk to the guy, the voice you just heard, the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is joining me right now from the Sweet Cream District of Seattle, Washington. He's Andrew Walsh. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I just had a revolutionary idea. I know that's why you brought me aboard back in 2012 for my ideas. I feel like some of the ideas have been Few and far between lately But I just had one While you were doing your intro And I'm over here You know as you and I slog our way through middle age We're both clearing our throat a lot more right And so I have a little mute button on my board here And you're doing your intro And I'm clearing my throat over here With the mute button engage Now probably since I've been talking You've probably muted your microphone What once twice and cleared your own throat Am I right about that?

i actually it's worse now for me i just my mic is muted most of the time that i'm not talking so it's not even like press it down clear my throat let it you know go back to uh you know broadcasting as it were it's just eddie and i do this with with this show i do it with live wire uh even when i'm on the road because i have a mute button now that i take i i bring it across state lines so yeah there's a lot of me

just having my mic not actually even on so that I can do whatever amount of old man

throat clearing I need to do. So I don't know if that is a wrench in the works of my idea or not, because I was thinking, you know how sometimes a vocals-only track will go viral? I believe you have a few in your audio bank, you know, like California got Sunshine, Running with the Devil. Oh, right, you do have some Sammy Hagar vocals. No, that's I believe that's the David Lee Roth. Oh, David Lee Roth, right. Version. I always think California Got Sunshine is David Lee Roth, too. I know. I get it all confused. Anyway, what we do is... That's Smash Mouth. I know, yeah. California Got Sunshine is the Smash Mouth.

I just can't get it straight. That's okay. It's complicated. This is the DLR. Just a little quick sample for people that are unfamiliar. Oh! Oh, yes! Damn!

that creates that gives me never not physical feeling i know it's it's ghostly oh i heard the throat clearing okay that brings me back on the file what we do is we create a um system where what happens while our mics are muted is actually recorded onto a separate track and it's not for daily publishing but we collect the unheard parts of tbtl which is mostly me and you clearing our throat individually on our side but every time we hit the mute button it mutes it for the main broadcast but it goes into another recorder and then i can piece together montages we can i think we can go viral i think people will be talking about tbtl finally and then would we offer this

as a thank you gift yes during the fawn like if you want to donate the highest level you'll get the unreleased you'll get tbtl unreleased colon and unlistenable well that's that's either recording i mean this is for honestly if if we find somebody who wants to listen to this we probably need to put them on some kind of watch list yeah that is true it's a trap it's a way

it's a way of actually i mean finding the folks who need help and we're very grateful and and

we're going to talk about this extensively next week but we're very grateful that enough people like this show uh and enough people are able to donate that it's still going all these years later but if somebody wants that if somebody wants to hear you and i when we don't like we're pretty bad at this when we know we're being recorded and we're trying to be entertaining yeah what we do in the i mean that's the audio equivalent andrew what you're presenting is the audio equivalent of what your face looks like the second you leave the zoom meeting and i don't mean you i mean all of us collectively there is that face that we all give of like all right okay well be safe and see you whenever you know and then the like the second that you hit leave meeting and you it's clear that you are now out of that video thing the way that one's face just drops into absolute abject sadness is got to be something to behold this is the audio equivalent of that yeah or a

collection of the um the faces that we catch on our phones when we turn on the camera and we don't realize it's facing us that we're using the um selfie mode of the of the phone camera that's a

rough one too um or facetime or they need to make i feel like facetime needs to have a few more there need to be a few more hurdles to clear with facetime because that seems to be the one that i have now lately been as they say butt dialing people more via facetime i know you don't probably have you have some other version of that on your phone i guess but you know on a if you have an iphone it's just got this little video i mean just the existence of facetime is just so wild to me considering when i moved to los angeles and addy was in um middle school maybe like i want to say seventh eighth grade i wanted it i wanted to be the case that we could still see each other every night and there were no video phones but there was this one particular company that was selling for like a thousand dollars these two phones that would use your phone line but you could actually see the other person too i mean an extremely grainy rudimentary picture but it was such that addy could actually like hold up her school work and like i could there was some semblance of us kind of being able to sort of see each other and this was a prohibitively expensive system that didn't work for shit and you know 10 years later it's just like built into every single phone and it's just it's the easiest thing and yet andrew most of us don't avail ourselves of it yeah i

don't you're right i don't have facetime i don't know if there is an android equivalent frankly i mean there's zoom and the other apps you can use but i don't know that android has like a native facetime uh i would be shocked if they didn't i mean it just seems you got a camera you've got

a data connection um and there are certainly people i know that love facetime and use facetime Maybe.

part of it's because i don't have grandkids um i don't you know i feel like that's a real kind of like generational like inter is it inter intra it'd be intergenerational like you know if i had grandkids and live somewhere else in the country i'd sure want to see them uh you know on the camera on the facetime but for my particular lifestyle i never use facetime which is just funny because it's it's something from star trek it is magic that lives in my pocket that i'm like nah, I'd rather send a text.

I'm trying to call you now in a video call. Now we talk about inter or intra.

So I just answered the call, but it's not coming through in the video form, probably because we have different kinds of phones.

Yeah, but it does look like now if I called, now I could call Genevieve as an Android user, but I don't know if she's in the middle of a meeting with like El Presidente or anything right now, so I will not do that. But yeah, I guess there is some sort of a native function. I don't know that there's a name for it, though. Like, we don't call it, like, you have FaceTime and we don't have, you know, mirror talk or whatever you would call it. That wasn't the best thing. I was avoiding the word head. Oh, there's Genevieve. Genevieve is saying that I can do it. Okay, go in the other room, Genevieve. Hey, Luke, how is the show going? You let me know how the show is going. I'm going to call Genevieve.

You're an ideas man, Michael.

I am. So I have an option. This is so stupid that I'm doing this. When I hit the little camera thing, it says, do you want to call Genevieve using something called Duo or just something called Video Call? So maybe our FaceTime is duo. Let me just try video call first, though.

This, though, this supports my larger point, which is that a lot of us are not. Like, the fact that you don't even know what this system is on your phone, i.e., you've never used it before. It's never occurred to you. Like, oh, you're at a fun thing, and you wanted to, like.

Hey, yeah, we got it, Veeves. See? Do you want to say a quick hello, Genevieve? Hey, Veeves. Hello, Genevieve. Okay. Good audio test.

Thanks. Bye. But you know what I mean? the fact that you've never until this moment ever even thought to use that function on your phone, which is if you just think about it is so magical is so magical. You could be somewhere in the world. Vives could be somewhere else and you could be sharing that experience with her. Maybe not to 100% of the experience. If you were standing together in front of the Eiffel tower, I also think this is an interesting scenario where you go to the Eiffel tower without Genevieve. Yeah. And then you just FaceTime with her. Hey, look at this. You know what they got over here.

We've gotten to that point in our relationship where we just want different things out of vacations.

It doesn't mean that there's a problem in the people will tell you one of the ways to make a relationship work long term is to sleep in separate Eiffel Towers.

I mean, you know, if it works for you is all I'm saying. No judgment there. Yeah. I have no desire to have video calls. I just I mean, now, keep in mind, I don't I didn't live through a pandemic with young children in my house who want to talk to their grandparents in another state. You know what I mean? I think that when you have a family like that, also, I think younger generations, just like young adults, probably I see people walking down the street, you know, with their phone out in front of them. They're clearly video talking with somebody. I don't even think they call it video talking. And I just video talk or not for hours. I feel like it's a company. In other words, I think that you and I are out of the demo for this because we don't have young kids. And also we're of an age where we just don't need it. We don't need to look at each other. there was a time when you and i were experimenting with just doing tbtl by looking at each other which seems like a good idea this is a job but you were like no don't look at me don't look at

me i'm a monster well i think it was i mean yeah we we talked about would the show be better if even though we're in different locations we could at least you and i could see each other and we tried it you know intermittently and i don't think i don't think it made a big improvement or it it sort of negatively impacted the show i think it just kind of was what it was but there is of course a whole other psychological component to knowing that you're being seen i guess or viewed and an example of that is so over on the live wire this radio show that i do we now do a uh we do a little podcast each week kind of a shortish it's like i don't know 20 minutes long it's whatever the quants at prx decided the exact right amount of time for people to hear about good news is and so that's how long it is but of course because we live in a social media driven world they wanted us they wanted to film it like they wanted to record the zoom of it and then try to release that as a show or as a as some kind of internet content and the first thing that happened was for three weeks elena and i completely forgot that it was happening so they'd send us an email some would say okay just remember when you record best news we're going to be using some of that for outward facing stuff and then i would think okay uh try to get your s together for that you know recording and then as we would be dialing up i'd be like oh no is this the one where they're gonna be videotaping our faces so for three weeks we forgot about it then we remembered to do it but we both just felt like crap and we're like can we not use this one and then they just stopped suggesting it i thought

what about the one i thought that it was going to cap off with then you busted your face open and that was going to be the first one you recorded no did you uh that i don't think they ever put

that one out so okay no no that was like that was i believe that was the one and only one where we were looking at the camera while recording the podcast but thinking this might also be visual content and i don't know if it ever i don't think it ever even made its way into the world i think what ultimately happened was we just wore down the people who were invested in this idea of creating video content from it by our just ineptitude my point in all that is just to say being looked at does a number on your brain right and so even just if it's you and me like i like doing the show with you in person like it's fun to do the show at your house next week in denver will be great although there are going to be some throat clearing implications what happens andrew when you get two old dudes in a room where neither one of them i mean but See, the problem is if you're talking and I need to clear my throat, your mic has to be open by definition and vice versa.

Yep. That's a true thing. When I'm doing after these messages with Genevieve here, it's the same thing. I lean all the way as far away from I mute my mic and then I crawl underneath the table and then I clear my throat and then I get back and then I sit down for a second.

But then I got to do the show from separate Airbnbs.

That would be a good idea. Or what about separate rooms in the same facility so that you and I go, we close the doors, and then we connect virtually. And then I say, hey, can we do a video hookup? And you're like, no.

Don't look at me.

Don't look at me. By the way, speaking of next week's activities, I mean, it's happening. This is all really happening. I was just looking at our- Did you think it was maybe not happening? No, it's just it's very close now. And we're like, there were so many kind of loose ends going on in the background of things we've been planning for the TBT Elephant. And those loose ends are becoming tight, Luke. They're becoming tight ends, which is a position in baseball.

They're like Gary Steingart pubic hair, Andrew. They're tightening, tightening and cutting off blood supply and causing all kinds of medical and emotional damage. Wait a second. Didn't you read that book? Yeah. I don't remember. Did you say pubic hair? Maybe that wasn't in the book. Maybe that was just an essay he wrote that was going on. Gary Steingart, you know, the writer of some note, who his book was Our Country Friends. I guess, you know, I might have sort of—he wrote this amazing essay in The New Yorker about an issue that he was having with his, I'll say it, penis, where he had a pubic hair that somehow knotted itself around part of his member and was slowly tightening. What? And he went to, like, 10 different urologists. It's a very affecting piece because it really gets into the nature of dealing with chronic pain and also masculinity, et cetera. And he's a great writer. But I guess that wasn't in the book. I guess that was just happening to him while he was writing the book. So I think I kind of transposed that into the book.

I see. I do see that he wrote something, A Botched Circumcision and Its Aftermath for The New Yorker, published in October of 2021. I can't believe this didn't make its way to you, I feel

I don't know, I don't know any dudes who didn't get this forwarded to them, because it really is like it hits you where you live, but anyway I'm just saying that's like what the TV Cellathon is like for you, yeah

I guess, I mean I was having fun a second ago, now I'm not, I don't know what just happened, but yeah, but anyway things are happening, I want to say I was just checking the, I was just checking the RSVP list for our little in-person trivia night that we're going to be doing in denver at a beer garden called local 46 that's going to be we haven't set a time luke we should do that i was assuming evening of friday the 27th 6 30 for seven gentlemen to trivia um i don't know if we want to do that now or later but maybe we'll i think seven seems like a normal it seems time for that right that seems pretty yeah straightforward

yeah like that we made there look at this and another tight end we'll see it see it we'll see We hit Local 46 at 7 p.m. Denver time on Friday night, the 27th.

We just steingarded another detail. Anyway, we are up to, I don't know, like maybe close to 50 folks now, maybe about 40 folks showing up for that. So if you are going to join us at Local 46, there's no tickets. There's no commitment here, but just let us know. You can email us at tbtailradio at gmail.com. That's tbtailradio at gmail.com. We're just trying to get a loose head count so we know, you know, what to prepare for.

Yes, exactly. We might if it ends up being around 50 folks, I think there's enough seating there like bench seating from what I've heard. Again, I haven't gotten eyes on this place. So one of the things that's going to happen, one of the other like, you know, loose things that needs to be tightened. Let's tighten. the things that tighten andrew is you and i are going to go over to the venue uh early in the week and just kind of figure out what actually we need to do to make it all work we got to probably run a pa system we might have to rent some chairs and stuff so anyway having an accurate a relatively accurate head count will help us with some of those decisions um so and oh the other thing too is there we're going to be doing um some game nights yes those are broken down by time zone So Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night and Thursday night, we are going to actually jump back on to Zoom and we're going to we're going to play some games with y'all. So you get to hang out with us and other tens. How do people put in their little RSVP for that as well?

Yeah, because that one's important. You can't join us at the last minute for that. You got to get the Zoom link. So right now, if you're on the Facebook page, the Stens page, if you are on the TBTL Slack channel, you'll see that we've posted the links for individual signups. We're doing East Coast on Monday. Tuesday evening, we'll be doing the Central Time Zone and then the Mountain Time Zone on Wednesday. And then West Coast listeners will join us on Thursday. That's seven o'clock local time for each of those. Links are bouncing around. Sign up for the time zone that you'll be attending in. And also, we just hit publish on a website that I will send around via social media today where you can also sign up for those things. And those are important to sign up for in advance. And by the way, oh, I wanted to talk a little bit about something. I was having a conversation on Slack with a listener yesterday who is a little shy to participate in the game nights, but is kind of wanted to be an observer.

Wants to bet on it, though?

Yes. Wants to know what DraftKings is giving us in terms of over-under. But it seems like maybe, I don't want to use the word shy. I don't know if shy is the right word for this particular interaction, but it got me thinking about that. like there is potentially some social pressure of like well i would like to hang out with the gang but i don't want to be called on to play a game any any games that we're playing via zoom will be completely voluntary so if you if you just want to hang out with me and luke via zoom and tens of other listeners and you just want to hop on but not like necessarily participate in any party game who are you talking to i feel you i'm not like i'm i'm not the one who jumps into uh party games myself in most situations but sometimes this is a man who didn't even understand how to

make a video call on his phone until four minutes that's how much he would like to just recede

homer simpson style into the background exactly and then awkwardly just hung up on the love of his life um for fear that she would see his true soul through the phone um anyway yeah so don't let that stop you if you want to hang out we still have plenty of um we still have plenty of slots in each time zone so you know i i just kind of realized that we have a lot of people in our audience who are probably like me who are like kind of interested in like hanging out but not necessarily a gamer i think we'll have plenty of people who want to play the games and it will be voluntary and i'm not going to put anybody on the spot i promise i would never want anybody to do

that to me and if if it just ends up being a bunch of folks who would rather just observe and they don't necessarily be the person who's spotlighted andrew you and i can just play the game absolutely for real entertain we'll entertain all of you we will happily sit there possibly with an adult beverage just entertaining the heck out of each other i'm being me and andrew and then if y'all

want to watch that it's your dime in fact now i'm realizing that one of the games we're going to play was arm wrestling how were we going to arm wrestle people via zoom is there an app for

that on the well that's the thing we have to arm wrestle each other yeah and then they bet on us it's like a switch you would break my arm no giant bear mitts first of all my hand would disappear in your hand that's this is an interesting can of soda in andre the giant's hand they'd be like wow is that a not is that what's going on is luke did luke have does luke have a condition called child hands but no andre has a condition called massive i have big hands they're also i

would this is interesting and it's not even for ego because i don't i don't i really i i assume you would win that you're just generally not even fit than me also there's some there's also something about like the you know there's a way to arm wrestle where you move your wrist in a certain way like I don't have I don't know how to do that I'll bet you you've arm wrestled way more

in your life than me um I was always a very spindly kid so when it came to things like arm wrestling anything that was brute strength I was the worst at it and didn't even engage right there were the kids there was a kid named Dave Maxey who was like kind of the arm wrestling champ of jesus creek and he would take on all comers and uh he was kind of you know big brawny guy like i was never all that i was always in the sports but not the not the pure strength aspect of it and i nothing has changed about me in terms of getting stronger i've only gotten weaker and flabbier so i uh you're just and you're just like taller than me i i think it would not even be close I think you would you would you would smoke me so badly at an arm wrestling contest um you know i did once kind of for a this was the beginning of my participatory journalism phase i entered the washington state arm wrestling championship many years ago like in my early 20s when i was just like an intern at kuow so there was some you know basically what would happen when i worked there was my real job was to do a bunch of stuff that i found kind of tedious but i would just kind of hover by the fax machine And then just like random press releases Would come through and if they looked interesting And they were clearly Bad media ideas and things that no None of the real journalists wanted to go to I'd be like well I might go to that So one of them was the Washington State Arm Wrestling Championship is happening And it's like an open invite like Anyone can sign up and it was in this Like dank bar in SeaTac And I went down there and somehow Convinced a friend of mine And an actual producer at KUOW A woman named Wendy Sykes to go down with me and record me trying to make it as far as i could in the washington state arm wrestling

championship and the answer was not far but you've actually been in an arm wrestling championship competition for andrew yes for this amount of time ready go between go and that thump was the amount

of time i was in the arm wrestling competition this kid and he was a kid it was somebody who was maybe even younger than me you know who i was in my weight division the problem too was i was skinny but somehow i still had to be in a weight division with a guy who was his whole body weight was just in his arm he was a very very diminutive human who just had one humongous arm that weighed 130 pounds and he just like beat me so so so fast i'm gonna say something here that might be somewhat

controversial amongst our um wrestling listeners listeners who maybe grew up you know or in high

school was were on the wrestling team oh you mean like wrestling actual wrestling yeah kind of

performative stuff no the the folks who actually wrestled in school you know that the it's not really controversial but i would say that i was always very turned off by that i mean obviously i'm not really into a lot of physical activity anyway um so it wasn't like i was in high school you know on the track team and other teams and saying but wrestling is not for me I mean I didn't really play many sports but wrestling especially seemed pretty gross to me I'll admit it not only did I feel like I wouldn't be good at it it just seemed gross like I did not want to be like just that close and it's like rubbing on some because I mean people are sweaty I assume people are smelly your head is ending up in parts of somebody else's body you don't even want to be there like that's that's my perspective on it god bless you if you like that but i realize i kind of bring that energy i bring the sweaty gross energy to an arm wrestling competition so that might give me an edge because i have you've mentioned several times big hands but they're also luke and this is what i put on my tinder profile clammy they're big clammy hands and so like i could imagine i was

even thinking like when we're in denver he's got that bce he's got that big clammy energy big

yeah please do big clammy energy so anyway like i feel like we could see we could go on zoom on one of these and one of these evenings next week and actually do an arm wrestling competition except i would just be embarrassed and i think you'd be grossed out slipping your little paw into my big glammy energy.

Now, we were trying to be a little bit coy about the particular game night plan. We just want to get everyone together and have some fun. But I think the cat's a little bit out of the bag. Each night is going to be a different physical competition between me and Andrew. Yes, indeed. So one night will be leg wrestling. One night will be arm wrestling. Each night we will wrestle with a different part of our body against each other.

oh thumb wrestling that i am pretty good because i got one two three four i declare a thumb war

could now see that's the thing i'm wondering if in thumb wrestling maybe i would have an advantage because my my tiny like basically your thumb your thumb is like smog and my thumb is like is like uh is it bilbo or frodo didn't we just watch this movie yeah i think uh frodo is the one she takes to trip i'm i'm like maybe my thumb would be like frodo with the ring uh-huh so your your giant dragon of a thumb could actually would be at a slight disadvantage because I was, my thumb is so small comparatively that you just wouldn't be able, you'd be like, I can smell your thumb,

but I can't find it. It's, it's a classic, um, David and Goliath or like, um, I guess the, let me try this while we're angering the listeners with our cultural references. It's like the rebels versus an at, at are those things called at, at those big walking. the big star wars things that look like dinosaurs but then the small little they wrap their always ring around they're always wrapping yeah the problem is they the knee joint yeah those things are like those things were very vulnerable in that way such that you know if the rebels could just fly around them with some cable and uh and cause them to fall down that was very satisfying as a kid in watching those movies like why not wheels by the way that's such a bad design flaw

i guess can you go over certain terrain if you have those those legs just look bambi-ish to

begin with like it doesn't seem like a good design very knock-kneed and just kind of like looking like i mean i feel yeah you know this is a really good point and again i hope that that sounds right at ads can you google that while well just so that we can save people an email at at though even if it's spelled that way but like every it seems like almost everything bad that happened to that particular um imperial weapon if you will or what i mean i'm sure it has a i'm sure it has an extremely specific classification andrew but like the big problem for those was always related to like stepping in a hole or stepping on a roller skate or having um you know one of the rebels in like some i don't know x-wing or something else fly around it and like wrap a cable or it was all leg related that was the whole issue how do we keep on fighting in

ball bearing factory this is there's got the rebels led them right into a rollerblade factory this is like a far side cartoon right it's like so-and-so's uh rollerblade banana peel and roller skate factory or something um it is the all-terrain armored transport or at at walker is a four-legged transport and combat vehicle used by imperial ground forces

mm-hmm okay so that's a four-legged one i was thinking of the two-legged one which to me was even more because like you know because there was also one that was on two legs which is half the legs andrew from four i did that math in my head although those are shorter the

the one that the that the that i is it luke oh my god how are we doing this but the one that has the classic scene with the string that goes around it that's the four-legged at at i'm

quite i believe you i mean the fact that you said at at i'm just thinking of other battle scenes across the and i really only have seen the first three movies or you know what i mean like the ones from the 80s um i know there's been like a thousand more and some are prequels and i i lost track of that universe a long time ago but i just remember from various battle scenes like well a couple things one the ewoks got one of the two-leggers by um by uh having some logs so they had like two logs that were like on strings they pulled them back kind of like a pendulum and then they released them i think and then that just like and the whatever that particular piece of machinery was that's on two legs was like right in the middle and got like smashed which i thought was a pretty boss move though ewoks if you think about it are really one just one click over from the gopher in Caddyshack I mean even there even just like their their look their celebration like that's I mean really there is somebody has probably written a coherent universe in which those

those characters are related I feel like this is the closest you've come to getting us canceled and I'm not even exactly sure why I just feel like you can't say that um by the way oh sorry did you hear that death rattle as I inhaled oh rough stuff from me on this Tuesday this is why we have cough buttons Andrew I have a lot I know like you know just like in between words now I'm just hitting the cough button um okay i've learned some i've learned a lot here i'd like to share some of these things with you so going back to the four-legged beasts at ats right uh standing over 20 meters tall i think that's interesting because we now know i guess i now know others already knew that in the star wars universe it is the metric system that wins out yes which makes sense i mean it makes sense um but also it says these massive constructs interesting use of the word construct there these massive constructs are used as much for psychological effect as they are for tactical advantage so maybe that does explain the reason why the designers went with the legs because they're like maybe if we give it more of an organic shape it will be even more intimidating now really quickly there's also luke these two-legged little guys they're called i don't know how to say it but instead of at at instead of a t a t it's a t s t which is an all-terrain scout transport Luke and they are literally that's what I was thinking of as the cousin the cousin of the AT-AT

so what do you think of that well first of all I think I've learned a lot about the Star Wars universe here which has been great and I think that there's something with the the first one you're talking about the AT-AT the Biggins they always reminded me like these are like the aircraft carriers of this universe or like the C-130 cargo planes Like there's this big metallic lumbering thing that's just there. to deliver smaller things that are more deadly is kind of how I think of them. The transport, yeah. Yeah, transport, and then the AT-ST walker. Those were, like, the cool, fun, like, get out and tool around and kill some Ewoks, except unless the Ewoks dig a hole and you step into it, which I believe happens to one of these all-terrain scout transports.

Yeah, just, again, seems like the legs... I mean, again, I know that wheels might not solve the problem if you have really rough terrain, But I feel like you could create something like this with maybe a bunch of wheels that are on springs. Genevieve just did this. I mean, now, Genevieve is not a Star Wars level engineer, but we had a – I don't know if you know this or not. We have – yeah, I think you do know this. We have part of a fence. We had to rebuild part of our fence here at our new place. Oh, I know it intimately. Yeah, and so this fellow we hired to build this fence was trying to use as much of the original, I guess, architecture around the old fence as possible and part of it was a chain link thing that he now made a wooden slat fence but he tried to or he did make a gate in an area of the fence between these two metal poles now you would never design it this way this gate is made of wood it's much too big and heavy so it's really rough on the joints like on the hinges that connect it to the rest of the fence right so Genevieve um added some extra hinges went to the hardware store added some extra hinges but then she also found this wheel at the hardware store that's a big wheel like it's not a big wheel like the toy the big wheel but it's like a big wheel literally um that's also sort of on springs and she she attached it to the bottom of this gate so when you open the gate the wheel supports it and when the ground goes further down below it the springs on the wheel push the wheel down so it's always following the contour of the earth as the gate swings open can

you picture that i can i've even seen a picture of this on instagram yeah oh okay yeah so there

you go um so you had the advantage i'm just saying that all of this is to say luke that there's a lot of wheel technology out there and i feel like some sort of large version of this with more springs that can follow the contour and big you know wheels maybe like on the kubota tractor that i used to drive that we were talking about last week i feel like the imperial engineers could have done better than these wobbly legs that's what i'm saying i agree i totally agree maybe like

like the thing well you know it's funny is as they i mean i know this isn't a um i mean every word that we say about the star wars universe only infuriates the and this is not the week for us to infuriate the audience so maybe i'll just shut this down but there is that character That kind of cute droid That's on a wheel now I don't even know which movie it's from

It's a ball

It's like on a ball And there's like I've seen versions of That's like a remote control toy that you can buy Yeah I've seen that They've figured out how to I don't know if it involves gyroscopes or what But you can kind of have one of those things Wheeling around your house And it almost made me want to buy one I don't know which movie it's from I don't know what that thing's job is i don't know anything about it but the idea of this little triangle resting atop this ball kind of rolling around i was i was like werner herzog meeting grogu the child i was gonna say

it's called the baby luke and it's from the man like i was there was something that was so cute

about that droid and also it's just so kind of like how do they how does that work how does that

one thing stay on top of that ball especially when it especially when it comes into the real world and it's a toy not just a an effect on the screen here's i just had another great idea so we got the cough button thing and then the other thing is you just mentioned that this probably does not this is probably not a comfortable conversation for listeners who actually know about the star wars universe and it is um i should mention not an insignificant portion of the population that knows this isn't we're not like we're not like trying to talk about some very um narrow, cast-y thing here. This is Star Wars. Everybody knows Star Wars. It's about as big as pop culture as you can get, and you and I are talking about it like it's some universe that we just can't possibly understand because it's so niche. But, what if we made promises never to talk about Star Wars again? You slipped into a

mort, my agent. Loki B! I got an offer for you. promise to never talk about star wars again if you donate at the dazzling donor level that was my idea now i'm the thing is called a bb-8 oh right my sweet little baby and i am looking i am peeping some remote controlled versions of this thing which i still am i'm i'm just i'm trying to figure out how it can be that this thing can roll around and the you know a little, whatever you want. you call it the head stays where it's supposed to stay that's amazing to me that is very cool

how is the very first you know when you google things you'll get a result or two and then it'll be like people ask and there are some of the most you know most asked questions about the thing you're googling bb8 first question is bb8 a boy or a girl it's a robot uh i guess we don't

live in a post gender society i know people are still if that's still the first thing that you need to figure out although i wonder if that's more like a little kid yeah once the toy but because again we still live in a society that in a lot of ways does tell kids there's the boy toys and the girl toys i wonder if some of that isn't like sex six-year-old kids kind of being like is

this a boy toy or a girl toy i'm a boy toy you know did i go on my rant about this i don't have to go into it in depth because i feel like i might have already done this but like i am again as i mentioned before maybe because i don't have kids i kind of and and because i guess my feelings on that stuff are pretty liberal like we these and i were in hawaii leaving hawaii actually at the airport so that's one of the only times i eat burger king right at an airport and so oh yeah we're ordering from a kiosk and it's like genevieve wanted the kids meal because she just wanted a small burger and or whatever she got and uh they're like well do you want a girl toy or a boy toy and just he's like first of all she didn't really care about the toy but also like why are we making why don't you just if you want to offer two toys why don't you just say what the toys are and let the kid choose like what i i was astounded that we still live in that world um but of course of course we do like i'm i'm a i'm childless in seattle i forgot that we still do that

you're literally fox news's worst nightmare except for antifa i had to i had i had the most interesting we really have to go to a break now but i had my lift ride from my hotel in new york last night to newark airport and then my lift ride from portland international airport to my place here last night i had two lift drivers who were fascinating to me they were both uh you know people who had immigrated to the u.s they both had not the perspective necessarily that i would have expected the first guy said he's he opened with a line you kind of never want to hear if you're just getting the lift was do you know what's really going on with this ukraine thing and this is this is two minutes into a 50 minute ride from manhattan to new jersey

and i want to make clear i'm just i mean fill in the headline just you get into the car and the driver says do you do you want to know what's really going on with blank headline that is awful that is and you say no you say no i don't i like to live in the dark this guy was actually so this

guy his name was taj and what was really interesting is as we talked about it and i kind of was trying to walk the line of like presenting my opinion without being confrontational And also without generating more conversation, which I was unsuccessful in part three of that project. But I just said, well, I mean, I'm of the opinion that the issue is that Vladimir Putin is trying to reassemble the USSR. And he thinks that, you know, Ukraine, he wants to get Ukraine back. He thinks it should have never been lost in the first place, et cetera. And then the guy kind of thought about it and he goes, yeah. And then we kept talking. And then it turns out he was not, I thought he was maybe going to be a conspiracy theorist. he was sort of all over the map but he and I were aligned on some elements of I guess the world that we live in in politics and Donald Trump and then other things where he kind of was kind of going on his own journey based on his experience of like jobs he's had and people he's interacted with or whatever so that was Taj again ended up being a really sweet guy and then I land here and I get picked up by this dude Hussein also a really interesting really smart guy who like a block from the airport he goes where do you live and i go this you know area that we're going to or whatever and he goes oh well do you have kids and i said no and he goes so then you don't have to worry about everything that's going on down there and i was like what do you mean he goes oh they train people and they bring him in i go are you talking about antifa he was like yeah i was like uh but then also hussein was not like fully locked into that world either like he just i guess i tend to think that if somebody thinks antifa is real or that there's something conspiratorial happening around ukraine then i assume that it also brings with it an entire set of beliefs that extend to a whole bunch of things like i assume the guy who thinks that there's something going on behind the scenes in ukraine involving nato is going to be anti or it's going to be pro-trump right but he was anti-trump and he was like you see these things that are going on in the country the shooting in buffalo being the recent horrendous example.

of the normalizing racism in america he's like a guy like who looks like me it makes me feel unsafe and my family feel unsafe and i was like precisely interesting so this was your first driver this wasn't this is taj guy number one okay gotcha and then and then hussein guy number two also like thinks antifa is real but then was just talking about his experience um he was from somalia originally and and and sort of being routed around um you know basically not unlike what's happening to a lot of folks from ukraine right now which is that these international organizations are moving them from country to country to kind of try to spread the burden amongst countries and take care of these folks, et cetera. And he had a really nuanced take on immigration and on, you know, race relations in this country and anti—he's Muslim, so kind of Islamophobia. So both of these guys opened with lines that made me think, oh, great. And then in both cases, there was like, well, there's kind of a fair amount of nuance here, which I guess is a good reminder for me.

Yeah, exactly, that there can be conversations. And even if like because, I mean, you know, believing conspiracy theories about Antifa is not a comfortable place to begin. And that seems pretty extreme to me. But it is maybe a reminder that for these two people who are driving around every day, they're not they don't think about what they're doing is being confrontational or even trying to own you. You know what I mean? Or being a troll in that way. There are two fellas who drive around all day talking to people, picking up ideas, thinking about ideas, letting them rattle around in their heads. And some of those ideas that they have may, I might not agree with, and in some cases may even be dangerous, but, you know, on a broader level, not that they are dangerous people, but it is maybe a good reminder that sometimes just talking is okay, too, you know what I mean?

Well, and the thing that was interesting, in both cases, they both knew more about Star Wars than I did. And we didn't even talk about Star Wars, but I just know that there are very few people on planet Earth who know less about Star Wars than you and I do. Right, exactly. And he kept calling you BB. So he said, you know what I mean, BB? Yep. Yes, absolutely. All right, let's take a quick break, and then we'll come back, and we'll actually start the show in a moment.

Because I'm not going to scratch all of this.

We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle dazzle.

All right. Let's thank some dazzling donors. These folks are dazzling us with their donation of dough, and it is vital to the mission. Starting with Paul Jorgensen out there in Chattanooga, Tennessee. You ever been? Paul said. What was that? You ever been? Chattanooga? I don't think I have, although I feel like Chattanooga has loomed large in my imagination. Is Chattanooga – is that a square on Monopoly? Is there something called – is that a line? Is there like a – is there a famous train line?

I think there's a famous train line because I went there. Chattanooga Choo Choo? Yeah, the Chattanooga Choo Choo is a song, and I went to Chattanooga as a kid. This is one of the rare places that I've been that you haven't. Unfortunately, it's reaching far back in my memory because I was a little kid. I remember there were a lot of trains, and I feel like train museums, and I do feel like that is where I got my little conductor's hat. I had, if you can picture it, I had a little, like, yeah, like those really thin lines of blue and white alternating, you know, so it almost just looks like denim from afar. And I think it had, like, Chattanooga choo-choo or something on the front patch.

I want to say, do you think, yeah, is that hat somewhere in your dad's basement or your mom's basement?

the hat probably does not exist anymore but i'm sure there are photos of me wearing it i feel like it was an early favorite it might have been kind of a precursor to that green hat that kind of castro style hat that i wear now i need a new one of those but i don't do you just type in castro

hat how do you find those oh you mean you mean you want to replace your castro yeah although i should get a chat i thought you meant just you wanted to figure out a yeah yeah definitely well this is what paul's got to say from chattanooga tennessee wanted to drop a quick thank you to both and american public media i dropped off listening for a long while last year but i kept my dazzling donor status active for those who could not contribute i'm back listening on a semi-frequent basis so please keep up the fine work well paul thank you for that yes welcome back i had a miss hit with my bell there i hate that my left i tried to go with my left hand and not look at the bell and that was a mistake um i think this is very interesting that paul's mentioning that he sort of you know this is a lot of show it's a lot of episodes per week a lot of talking about star wars per episode um but i was thinking about this on my little jog this morning because i was thinking about the gym membership that i'm still paying for the gym that i haven't been to in six months i just you know obviously do a different kind of workout thing and i thought Think of TBTL as that gym. that you're still paying 20 bucks a month to that you forgot about. Just think of us as that. And then, you know, we're here for you. If you want to check in, if you want to come, you want to hit the weights or the treadmill or maybe do some water aerobics, we're going to be here for you. But, you know, you don't have to come every day. Maybe you don't have to come for months, but just keep those donations going. Yes. And I also really like precisely what Paul did.

Yeah. And that Paul was now this this maybe steps away from the gym analogy a little bit, Because this is not why you pay your gym membership when you're not there, that being most likely a for-profit company. But I really do – I am touched by what Paul says about he kept his dazzling donor status active, which is a big commitment, by the way. That's a very generous donation for those who could not contribute. That is so nice, and I really, really appreciate that.

Yes, absolutely. Paul, thank you so much. Hope this is one of the shows that falls on the semi-frequent basis of your listening. Yeah, I hope you hear it. Because we appreciate you.

i found a district hold on maestro's got some shopping to do district threads distressed military style twill hat is apparently what we're looking at here a mere 17 dollars um the only problem is it's already looks like it's a little bit pre-distressed in areas and trust me i can distress my own hat you know what i mean like i think that i need to keep shopping the good news

is if you put fidel castro hat into the internet as i just did you see one million examples of the exact you're talking about in fact there's a whole amazon.com category called fidel castro hat oh

good i'm on amazon as a jumping off point but maybe i need to dig a little bit deeper in the

meantime it's definitely a gettable it's a very gettable thing although i don't know if you if you're wearing your castro hat and you get into one of my lifts that i was in recently yeah the person says do you know what was really going on with cuba and jfk or whatever he's like you'd be

in you'd be in trouble well what about that yeah they could be talking about that did we ever get a final answer on that weird like phenomenon of people getting like headaches and remember there was all that stuff about like was there some subsonic warfare going on and folks that were

working for the state department i you know i they actually was an update in that story and i listened to it on npr and i've now forgotten what the final call but my memory is that they

i feel like the accusations were dismissed right that's sort of what my memory of it is well the

other thing about this castro hat is you know who wears that castro hat a lot now is eminem oh no i didn't know that like he i believe he might have even had it on for the super bowl but he definitely shows up in a lot of places now he's a fan of that hat i don't know if his is always green like olive green or whatever but he's he's embraced that look oh i found one that isn't too distressed boy there

is you just think that all these hats would be the same but then you look at them and you're like wow there are a million different styles it's amazing how a lot of these i would not wear well i certainly wouldn't wear the one with the big red star on the front of it i'm not really trying to send a message i mean this is just a look that is comfortable for me that i stole from sean to

tory and i think i'm wait that was that late in life for you i assume that that was something That you Somebody wrote On Twitter This is a picture of Eminem in his hat Eminem looks like Topher Grace Playing Fidel Castro Would watch

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We've also got to thank Jenny in Encinitas, California. That's the one by the water. It is the water. Jenny in Encinitas. Hiya, Jenny. Thank you for continuing your support of the show. We really appreciate it. This is usually where I wax rhapsodic about Encinitas, California, and North San Diego County, but I think people know. It's a beautiful part of the world. Jenny says, I don't have a clever message, so I'll plug something I love and that the tens might be into. curling yes the thing with the ice and the rocks and the yelling the yelling i didn't know there was yelling yeah i'd probably yell at the um the stone is that what they call the i think that the the heavy thing that's being pushed down the ice might be called the stone well thank you

we appreciated you listening for all these years there's probably yell at this i think it's called

the at-at why didn't you yell at the stone also you have to do there's a lot of communicating i mean did you get into curling at all at any point and i feel like never been never touched one of those never touched a stone you um well andrew let me just say there's a great spot in seattle the granite curling club that would be fun to check out sometime i know where that place is north right up north yeah yeah well that's i was trying to be vague about uh i'm trying to be vague about your locale but i live in north seattle i mean i have no problem

Yeah, that's not a huge trip for you. So anyway, I've never tried curling, but I do think it's really fascinating because, of course, you throw that stone or you slide that stone down the ice. And then you've got these folks with these sort of broom-like devices who are furiously sweeping the ice. But what they're really doing is melting the ice so that it affects the movement of that stone to get it into the place that you want to get it. sort of like shuffleboard but with way more going on and so you've got folks presumably yelling to each other like more over here yeah and less over there because you know you're trying to direct

this thing so uh-huh yeah i think it actually does seem sore it seems sort of satisfying certainly the the slide i mean i love air hockey and it must be like air hockey somebody said this is

not the same but kind of reminds me of like somebody said when you're um cutting wrapping paper and then the scissors just start gliding that must be what it feels like to do heroin i did not see that coming wow there is a zen there's just a deeply satisfying moment when those when the scissors are just gliding through the wrapping paper and you're not having to kind of you know clip anymore but it's just like i feel like when you when they push that stone in curling and then they're sliding like they're in a crouched position but their body is moving with the stone that seems like very fun and satisfying anyway definitely um here's some reasons that jenny gives for why the tens would like curling curlers are generally interesting and funny people so tens would fit right in also curling is all about community it's the official sport of the fight against global loneliness also from a physical standpoint curling is super inclusive whether you curl from a wheelchair standing up or do the traditional slide on the ice thing everyone plays together if you can throw your phone you can throw a rock hey look i was right it's called a rock that is a really stone though right yeah um uh that's okay i was close that is a really great pitch for curling if you can throw a phone you can throw a rock i wish it was called stone because then that would rhyme and that really yeah you can throw a phone you can throw a stone that's perfect well we can change the game the u.s has 180 plus curling clubs including in the tbtl hot zips of tenver andrew should we do some curling in tenver you

and i i would be certainly up for that i do think that they're called stones i think that maybe rock here is maybe like jenny's so inside the game that she's like because what do you call it when you're bowling didn't we learn something from the big lebowski like you're well i think i'm throwing

rocks tonight or something is that something that um steve buscemi's character says i want to say

yes he's in an atst i believe and he says i'm throwing rocks tonight and he says shut up donny you're out of your element that was from i believe a new hope anyway yeah so i think that the use of rock here is actually slang and i'm actually thinking that you're right about stone okay good

thank you it's a luke w tuesday uh austin minneapolis st paul and even in cleveland They love the way you swing I'm sorry I slipped into a digital underground song there For a moment But this and this is for you Portland oh I see Cleveland this is for you LeBron James style Portland San Francisco San Diego Los Angeles and of course Seattle So grab a friend or adventure out by yourself And sign up for a learn To curl today No mountain too tall and good curling to all Nice That was an extremely informative dazzling donut Yes, and somewhat inspiring, too. It makes me want to get out there, maybe when the weather changes, because Lord knows. It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe that I want to be outside while it's sunny. But once it turns again, I could definitely get into some curling. That seems super fun to me.

That would be odd, especially for your personality. You love the sunlight so much. You're waiting. I mean, this has been a pretty rough spring. I don't know what the rain was like by you yesterday, but was it yesterday or the day before? No, it was Sunday here. The rain was huge. I can't even explain it. I don't usually think about the size of raindrops, but, like, it was not Seattle rain. Like, it was some sort of, like, it was, like, a downpour. It was so much water coming down at once, which I know I'm just describing rain. But trust me, you live in the Pacific Northwest. Like, you're used to overcast skies and drizzle and that. I mean, this was rain. Like, I had not seen in a long time. I didn't leave you with much there.

I was just trying to think about what the weather – because I was in New York, so I don't know what was going on here in Portland. But I just like – yeah, I mean it's been – I know that I'm a broken record on this show, but it's just like it has been really – and I grew up in the Northwest, and I feel like I kind of have a sense of how the weather is supposed to be.

to go usually in the spring you get a couple of weeks total where it's like really nice and you're like summer's here and then it rains for a week but you get those little like just unbelievable days where it's 75 degrees and blue skies and everyone's just walking around in a great mood and then it goes back to the bad weather this spring has been that minus the moments of good weather it's just been the bad weather part which is mostly yeah really strange so anyway

I guess to complete my thought yes it would be ironic if right as the weather changes you go inside to start doing winter sports inside of a curling chamber, which is where they play.

Mostly I want to say thank you to our dozling donors. Dozing donors? Our dozing danners? Our dozing donnies who are in their element supporting the program. I don't think that works conceptually, but I'm going with it. Anyway, thanks so much, Jenny, for supporting the program. Wouldn't be here without you.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man, it's not from a female.

I know that this is the email sounder and not the top story sounder, but it's just because we had so much Star Wars to discuss that we blew right through nap time. So we'll talk about this Pearl Jam performance, this performance by this high school drummer with Pearl Jam on tomorrow's show because it has some pretty cool sound with it, and I think it's actually a cool story. But for now, let's just do maybe an email or a V-mail before we wrap it up on this Tuesday.

Yeah, I'd like to play two voicemails for you here because, Luke, we had... I don't know if this was the same exact day or not, but we have two voicemails on the line that are reacting in the polar opposite ways to something that we said on the show. Here's the first one for you. This first one is from listener Rachel, who we made very hungry the other day.

Hi, guys. Listener Rachel here from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Just calling because I am not quite shame eating yet. And to be honest, I have no shame. But it's still not. I already had breakfast.

Good, by the way.

It's 930 here, Pennsylvania time. And I was just finishing up your episode from yesterday, I think, or two days ago, where you were talking about Traffic Jam Jimmy and his fish sandwich. And I was, then you started describing fish sandwiches and au jus sandwiches. And I was like, I could go for a McDonald's sausage biscuit with egg. So here I am in line for the McDonald's sausage biscuit with egg. I was supposed to go to work. I'm going to be late, but I have a hankering. So I'm going to do it. So here I am. Power out.

I love calling from line. That's a good move there. I like the specificity of sausage with egg. I learned recently when Vives and I were moving, that was like McDonald's time. One of us at one point stopped at McDonald's, which isn't like a usual move for us, but we were kind of in project mode. So it seemed like the right thing to do on some morning. I don't remember the details beyond that. But I know I asked Genevieve for a sausage – oh, McGriddle, actually. That's the kind that has, like, the kind of sweeter muffin that it's served in with the –

The greatest minds of science had to figure out how to have it – have syrup in it without it getting sticky on everywhere because people are usually driving while they're eating it.

So good. Get those minds on the Ant app. But anyway, I didn't realize you have to say egg. I'm always focused on no cheese. So I figured if you just ordered, like, a McGriddle sausage sandwich, I figured it would come with sausage, egg, and cheese, and I want it without the cheese. No, you have to specify you want it with egg because what came home to me, and it was fine. Actually, it actually hit the spot perfectly. I didn't really need the egg, but it was just one patty of sausage on the McGriddle muffin, which I didn't really expect. But that sounds so good to me now. I also learned during that move that all-day breakfast is no longer a thing at McDonald's. And I was in the drive through, not a very comfortable place for me. And then they told me that all day breakfast isn't around anymore. My brain got scrambled and I couldn't order lunch on the fly. So I sped off, embarrassed and you just nixed the whole project. I did. I drove away. I said, ah, and I think I actually I'm not even joking. I think I made that sound. I was frustrated.

I went there with the intention to get breakfast food, but it was after the breakfast food. Yes. Being sold. And so then you didn't have like a backup, like I'm going to go quarter pounder. No, which, I mean, I could have.

I've ordered lunch at McDonald's enough times. I mean, I could have gotten chicken nugs, right? But I just was, I remember I was in a huge hurry, too. It was a Sunday. I had somewhere to be. I was also feeding my friend's cat. I just had too many things. I just remember, like, my brain just twisting and me speeding off. Anyway, okay, so.

I know that feeling.

Yeah. We made one listener hungry. I think this next voicemail is the closest that you get to the opposite of hungry.

You guys haven't really said very much in general to upset me a lot. But this, oh, God, I'm going to puke. Talking about having a bowl of a swick from the book. Oh, God.

the ash the pop all the shit i'm okay so i don't want to trigger this person again or anybody else but a quick explanation of what they're talking about here is i mentioned one time taking a swig from an old can of dr pepper that i didn't realize i had thrown a cigarette butt into the day before this was way back in the 90s when i was smoking and drinking dr pepper i'm obviously now mr pib guy mistakes were made i've grown um also we were talking about spittoons and dipping at work uh again activities that people did uh in i believe when you were in college at the newspaper um so

anyway that's what this person is responding to i'm at the end of a 76 hour work week trying to drive home it's kind of rainy a lot of traffic and i am trying so hard not to throw up in my car So, anyways, maybe pass on that, Tanya. I do appreciate you guys normally. Yes.

Yeah, so, I mean. That was listener Tanya? Is that what was said at the end there? Tanya? I heard her name, Tanya.

Pass on that, Tanya. I do pass on that, Tanya.

Oh, Kenya. Pass on that, Kenya, I think. So her name's Kenya. Her name's Kenya. Thank you, Kenya. I mean, the irony is I enjoy that voice. So I enjoy the frankness and thank you for sharing. But I had by you leaving that in me playing it. I then had to explain the phenomenon that put you there in the first place. So I'm hoping you don't hear that. I don't know.

I people it's so first of all, sorry, listener Kenya, that we made it hard on you. But also that is a great voicemail message. So I'm not saying we're not going to do it again just to keep getting updates from the road on how you're doing. But, like, I am not somebody who has an overly, an easily triggered, I guess you might say, kind of throw-up response. But for people that do have that, it's kind of fascinating, right? Like, because I've known people that, like, if they just say a certain word or they describe a certain thing or food or whatever, it will actually trigger their kind of vomit response. Which is it seems like it's sort of, you know, they're just doing it for, you know, show. But no, no, I've I've seen people have real trouble with that.

Yeah, I don't. Usually it's not words that trigger me. I do have like kind of a bad gag reflex. And so sometimes if I'm at the dentist, I have to kind of warn them about that. Like I haven't had a lot of actual dentistry done on my teeth. I've been very lucky in that way. So I haven't had like, you know, fillings or whatever. But one thing that makes me very uncomfortable, which should be simple, is when they take x-rays and they put those pieces of cardboard way back in the back of your mouth and they tell you to champ down on it chomp down on x-rays yeah x-rays yeah and like that can kind of trigger me a little bit i have to kind of warn them i got to a point and i don't know if it was a stress reaction this was like a year ago i started to get very concerned i was sometimes actually triggering my own gag response just brushing my teeth which is not uh and you know i'm not doing anything kinky in there like i don't know i do that every time i brush my teeth really to the

point where one time i think it was carrie like when we were maybe first living together was like do you always almost throw up when you brush your teeth and i was like yes oh wow so you're actually making noises that others can hear because at the end i brush my tongue and i want to brush as far back and of course you know i very carefully wash my toothbrush out after this and so i'm hoping it's not a gross situation but at you know i was taught by the dentist many years ago that you know you also brush your tongue after you brush your teeth but i mean i want to make sure i'm really getting back there and it's always almost too far back there you have a you you are

very um focused on like uh oral hygiene i would say because and you're so and i'm saying this also because you are so paranoid about bad breath like bad breath lives so much in the front of your brain i'm not saying that is a bad thing if for some reason my tone sounds like it's a bad thing i don't take it um but like that is i didn't know that thing about you and the brushing of the tongue I don't know why I would. Well, I guess 10 years of doing this, but that doesn't surprise me. Oh, you're going to hear it in Denver. Take this one bathroom. And we are going to brush our teeth together. I ordered the hat, by the way. I don't think it's going to get here before I leave. It might get here Friday morning before I leave. If so, I will be wearing a new hat. Although I'm starting to not trust Amazon. I bought a little tiny transistor radio, Luke, like a little handheld one. It's like a power bear like I did.

No, I think I need to go back. I found one. It was relatively cheap. It was cute as a button. It looked like the type of thing you would listen to a ball game on in the 70s, only it was a new thing. It wasn't like an old retro one. And my God, I didn't know it could be so bad. I read the reviews of it, but I'm like, how can a radio like this be bad? It's so bad. Like, you turn it on, and it's already too loud, and then there's hardly any more, like, dynamic range after that. Like, you turn it on, it's too loud. then it'll go up a little bit louder than that which isn't loud enough to like hear over the shower if i have it on in the bathroom and it's so loud that the whole thing just sort of rattles and just makes a bad sound like it's just it's awful it was really cheap so i'm not like you know i'm not super angry about it but i was like i i guess i gotta be more discerning i was trying to just be like like you and genevieve like hey i found this thing on amazon i solved the problem it's gonna come my way and everything is gonna be fine i don't have to overthink it like i that i Sometimes it's hard for me to pull the trigger on things. Now this hat is going to come, and it'll probably have bad sound, too.

I just realized that you and I in Denver, I mean, obviously, our schedule is pretty packed, honestly, but we can figure out some kind of way to probably also enjoy some baseball games together.

Yeah, you know, people were saying that there is a homestand there for that would be the Rockies.

Oh, I was thinking our beloved M's, but you mean like maybe we'll try to see the Rockies.

I was going to say, I think that we're going to be too busy. Several people sent us notice that there's some ball games happening there. I think we're going to be too busy for that, but, you know, I could be wrong. I mean, we're going to be doing morning shows and then evening events on Zoom, so it would be hard to squeeze a baseball game in between those, I think.

We're kind of spoken for. Our time is sort of spoken for. It's going to be fun. It's going to be exciting. Speaking of time being spoken for or having appointments. Whoa. Yeah. Sorry. Oh, are you playing it on that radio you got on Amazon?

My apologies. I was meant to sneak it up, but that's where we left off yesterday. Sorry about that.

I was saying, speaking of appointments, I've got to take Bubbles to the vet for her first round of vaccination. Oh, good. So that'll be an adventure. That'll be something to report on tomorrow, how that went. Yeah, I hope that goes well. I assume it will.

Yeah, she doesn't seem super anxious about stuff.

No, she's been at Becca's because I was in New York, so I'm actually going right now, as soon as we stop here, to grab her, put her back in the cat carrier, and then take her over to the Petco, Vetco Clinic. But I'm happy to say that so far, she is very chill in the carrier. That's great. Like, she doesn't dread it, she doesn't run away when she sees it, and she doesn't, like, meow incessantly. She's kind of perplexed, but generally okay in there, which is, like, a big relief.

Yeah, that's good. You throw some little cat magazines in there, just so that she can chill out.

Sure, exactly. All right, that's going to do it for today's episode, but we will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. So until then, uh, take care of yourselves. Have a great Tuesday. And please remember no mountain too tall.

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