Muse

Hey grandma, can you come get me from the rap battle? No, I didn't win. No, he saw you drop me off. It was pretty much over after that. He did a pretty devastating rhyme about it. TVTL!

I think the thing that we want to do now, the thing ideally that we would end this meeting with meeting with is just get everyone looped in circle the wagons to the point where we can sort of set a roadmap for a dialogue yeah going forward isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheets i'm such

as a sucker for content do you just sit around all day thinking of nice things to say to people well it's not necessarily during the day but i do like to be nice to people Life's a potty, wipe your body.

Now we're going back to not in the States.

Didn't know you like to get wet, though.

I mean, whatever. It's fine. This is not an interesting subplot to the show that I somehow live in the lamest weather zone in the country. But I'm just telling you, the struggle is very real for me as I look out on another wet, not dry day. But inside my home here at the Hollywood Broadcast Center, it is warm and dry and just absolutely dominated by this cat.

A cat is an angel that poops in a bar.

The catification of my apartment is complete, my friend.

It's the story of a man with a brothel of a home and a pool filled with human excrement.

I have a, like, five-foot-tall cactus scratching post. I have a battery-powered feather on a stick. I have, like, a thing called a litter genie, which is basically like the thing in Ghostbusters when they catch a ghost. But it's that for cat poop. Everything in this apartment is now related to you, Bubba. Who is just hiding in a milk crate full of XLR cables. But anyway, that's what's going on here on episode 3686 in the Collector Series.

Let the fun begin.

We tried to talk about this yesterday. I ran out of time a high schooler in Oakland had his dreams come true by getting to play drums with Pearl Jam recently.

Have you ever had a dream that you had, you could do so, you want him to do you so much you could do anything?

I literally cuddled the cat during that audio drop, like because she was trying to get out the door. If again, I said this, I don't know, eight days ago, if you're not interested in me talking incessantly about this kitten, this is not really going to be. Actually, you know what? When we go to Denver, I will not have access to the cat. And so there will be a little less of it, which hopefully will drive generosity. Anyway, we're talking about this kid in Oakland who had his dreams come true, and we'll talk about that with my dear friend and the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's got a lot on his plate and on his brain right now.

This shiny guy always worried.

As we approach the TBTL-a-thon, he's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Sweet Cream District of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning. I come to you today, Luke Burbank, bearing two cautionary tales. I thought you were going to say gifts. Nope. Well, that is my kind of gift. That's why I can't maintain a lot of friendships.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

Yeah. Anxiety. I'm terrible around the holidays. Actually, I'm pretty terrible around the holidays. Yes, I have two cautionary tales for you that were given to me, that were delivered to me, Luke, late at night in the form of a dream. In fact, both of them do have to do with the TBT-elathon.

You look like a dream catcher came to life.

I'll allow it. I love this song this really goes hard doesn't it it does slaps as the kid

used to say i've been on a whole thing about the the theme song to taxi which i also that's slap it yeah yeah i'm trying to get cbs to let me do a story about i think his name is bob james is the guy that wrote the theme song to taxi and about one million other things that are sampled in hip-hop now like he's just this he's like i think he's like 90 something but he's totally with it still and he just was this kind of you know smooth jazzer who noodled his way into the culture in a way that people don't you know tend to uh there you go yeah do you know the name of this song is it like somebody's song somebody's name oh come on let's go this all by the way this song also always made me sad as it is yeah It's not in like the MASH song It was like, I knew it was time to leave Whatever room the TV was in But I heard either the taxi theme Or the MASH song Although this one is not called Suicide is Painless It's just someone It's like Benny's song or something What is it called? It's Angela is the name of the song

According to YouTube

It is so good, right? I am really, and again Get ready for Denver, Andrew I see you and me and a barbecue This is when we're all done with our work for the day Possibly Some libations and just Way more Bob James than you want to hear

Why am I I wanted to hear the theme song What is the comedic cop show From the 70s with the guy with the big mustache

Comedic cop show From the 70s Oh Barney Miller I always think of that as a Jack Sue vehicle But okay

Is that who plays Barney Miller

He was one of the, he was like, like the third banana or, or I, uh, the same joke would be, I always thought of that as an Abe Vigoda vehicle.

Now I don't remember what this theme song sounds like, but I'd like to hear it because

in my head, Hal McRae, Barney Miller.

I don't, I don't know. I'll look this up. I didn't watch it a lot. It was one of those shows that I felt like my dad liked a lot, but I did not watch in reruns. Like there were the, the innocent shows that were on UHF during the middle of the day and reruns. Hal Linden. Sorry. Hal Linden. Okay. You know, like your Bewitched's and your, I don't know, Andy Griffith's or what have you. But then at nighttime, there were other reruns that I didn't watch, and they were things like Taxi and Barney Miller. And they kind of live in my brain together, and I'm less familiar with them. Taxi, I'm slightly more familiar with. But this is Barney Miller.

I'm sorry, behind the scenes. this is why theme songs went away they used to slap so hard and and then they just all became you know like uh i don't know what would be the like the the friends actually that was kind of a good song that was a when did theme songs get bad when they let they started letting the bare

naked ladies make them well wait what did the bare naked ladies do oh they made the big bang

theory which there's a famous story about that which is like we have a lot of what do they call are they bare heads are they naked heads whatever fans we have a lot of people who love that band you know so peace and love but there's this kind of famous story that the most money the bare naked ladies have made of anything in their career and they've had a very successful career is the Big Bang Theory song. That makes sense. Which the guy, am I completely, yes, it's not They Might Be Giants, right? No. It's Bare Naked Ladies?

Oh, no, you know what? I think it's They Might Be Giants who do that song.

No, no, They Might Be Giants did the Malcolm in the Middle. Oh, okay. But no, the Bare Naked Ladies guy has told this story a few times, Which is like, he just, either he just, he like made up this jingle in his head in the like Uber ride over to the studio with like the meeting with Chuck Lorre, or very shortly, like literally went in and just kind of like, he phoned it in, literally, in a way, although he was on the phone, so that wouldn't be literal.

He literally figuratively phoned it in.

he literally figuratively it was literally a figurative phoning it in and went in and just like sang this song that was the idea of compressing all of human time into eight seconds which you know what kind of is a funny idea yeah because if it's like if the show is called the big bang theory and you're trying to explain human history in an in a comically short amount of time it's it's pretty clever so anyway went in saying it thought nothing will come of this went home and then they said, yes, we like it. And they may have even used the version that he'd record on his phone or something like that. And that has paid the bare naked ladies enough money.

to buy clothes finally the bare naked ladies have no clothes ladies are are but clothed now sorry

bubbles is going to make an appearance on the show because she's hey bubs kind of up in my

up in my let me see your grill i need to tell you about my warnings that were delivered in the middle of the night but i do want to say that that is dreams yeah i was telling you as professor bananas my cat over here um older cat senior cat now we're now realizing since our other senior

TVTL senior cat correspondent, yes.

You know, since Theo's been gone, she's been way more cuddly with us and wants to, like, sleep on us at all times and that type of thing. But she's still, like, a little – she's just always going to be a little standoffish. She's just not quite – she's just not as cuddly as Theo was. Like, Theo, when he was a little kitten, like, you know, I would hold him upside down – not upside down, but, like, I would cradle him like a baby. He would sleep as close to my face as possible. Then when he became a giant old cat, he would still do that. And so I'm used to like cats being in my face, which I like, whereas bananas will often like she'll like eat her breakfast and then she'll come running and she'll jump on me. And she's like very excited. She wants to sleep, you know, our little cuddle time. But she'll always lay down like near the bottom of my stomach or just sometimes on my thigh. Just choose one thigh. And she always turns her back to me and she likes to look out. And again, I think she's driven by some nervousness and just like always having to feel like she's got the scope of the room, right? Like nobody can sneak up on her. But today was a real blessing because she slept up or didn't sleep, but she came and cuddled on my chest and put her face right near mine. I was like, look at this. You take what you can get. It's amazing. She's so withholding that you get a little bit more and it just means so much.

Two weeks ago, I would have had no interest in that anecdote.

You asshole. You would have presented like you did.

Now it's all I care about. i mean no joke like i said it in the intro but this apartment has fully and 100 been surrendered to this freaking cat like well yesterday what happened was i had to get her microchipped she got her first vaccination and and they were like we can also do the microchip and i was like okay i mean let's knock that out i did not really have you have you been with any of your cats when they get microchipped no i don't think i've been in the room it's really intense because this is a you know like a fairly substantial little nodule of something that's going to go in their body for the rest of their life and the the needle that they use it's not a needle it's like a recyclable straw with like a sharp end on it like and so she'd already gotten her vaccination and whatever which she didn't like and the the vet was like he was like yeah sometimes we have to sedate bangles when the he was like when you come back for the you know we'll see if we can do this when you come back for the next round of this but oftentimes they have to sedate them because they just are not down i mean you know no cat loves getting poked but i guess bangles are basically what i have is a very small tiger living in this house andrew which i did some cursory internetting but not maybe quite enough um but anyway so then after the like the um the the vaccine the vaccination like she didn't love that but then he breaks out the like the needle for the microchip and i was like oh my god this part it i really got i got kind of choked up yeah i hope my human child doesn't hear this because i was fine with her getting vaccinated i did zero crying yeah well that was you know kind of a personal thing just want to make sure she didn't get up to any trouble in college but no when they broke out the needle for the microchipping and the the vet literally i mean i really like this guy this was just at a petco by the way but it was the because i called like a schmancy vet near where i live and they were like it's a four month wait yeah wow to get any of this stuff they were like you should just call petco so i did and i went to a petco in a not particularly like great neighborhood in portland and like was i didn't have high expectations of the overall experience just because of it being a petco and the everybody there was so awesome like the intake person the vet the folks just kind of working in the petco like it was just an overall a really good experience but when they broke out that thing to microchip her i was like oh no this is not gonna and then i was also then i just having all these intrusive thoughts like i brought here i have to get a new carrier for her because i brought her to this moment in this particular carrier which will now always be identified

was when they poked a mcdonald's straw in her back i do wonder about that sometimes if they

can smell their old stress like in a i was like i'm gonna i have to wear new cologne i was like

Everything changes after this because she's going to hate me.

because she's going to associate my smell this carrier my mazda cx-7 everything that got to this moment of this straw going in her back is going to now be in her dna um but she she she was not happy but she got through it again she already forgot she i mean by the time by the time we were back in the car she had totally forgotten she had gone to sleep in the she's so great in the cat carrier which is i was talking about this i think yesterday but that's a huge relief she's she's

portable yeah she's not freaking out in the carrier this is chips by the way see this to me

no it also slaps dang it i was trying to find one of these 80s tv shows that doesn't just totally slap but no i have to say that chips is also it's pretty avant-garde actually and the the one i was

playing behind you a second ago that was a little more distracting this is kojak i did not watch kojak so i don't have any connection to this but this is just more dramatic oh yeah

did you watch kojak is this like no but i know this theme i just again i'd be walking through a room and i'd be hearing this i guess this is kind of you know by the way i flew over duluth yes or two days ago when i when you fly from new york to portland apparently you go over duluth And all I could think of was Telly Saval Was doing those ads for Duluth Duluth, I've been all over the world And I finally found it in Duluth

I believe it, here's what I learned Last night Luke, sorry, dreams Here's what I learned last night We need to Remember to do The TBTL Game nights in the evening Because in this dream that I just had Because here's the thing, if you haven't been Following along, next week of course is our big TBTL-a-thon week. Luke and I are going to Denver. We're going to be holding up there in the shadow of Blucifer and live streaming on YouTube, our morning podcast. In the taint of Blucifer.

TBTL-a-thon 13, in the taint of Blucifer. TBTL-a-thon

13. Taint Seattle. That's gross. I'm bleeping all that. That's filthy. That's not who we are as a podcast. In the morning, we are going to be doing the radio show like we usually do, or the podcast, I should say. we're streaming it live 10 a.m. start time that's mountain time uh every morning um but then like

no offense to mountain people but 9 a.m. west coast noon eastern and everybody in the middle i don't want to make you fly over country but that's i think that those to me that's the easiest

way to kind of frame it but isn't it weird i mean i know that this is kind of a cliche conversation at this point but when we were growing up all the national ads for like the national promos for a tv show they still do it what 10 9 central oh they would say central not mountain okay that's right they would say yeah like why central i i never quite got why they just choose i used to

i had a very bad stand-up joke that was like the center people in central have figured it out at this point yeah like coming on abc kojak 10 9 central you know why i'll bet now that i think

about it because you would be shifting the time for the west coast but they probably group those two um time zones together so that um does that make sense let's say there's a show that's starting at nine it's not a live show right a pre-tape show and it's going to start at 9 p.m uh east coast time they'll probably just hold that and also start it at 9 p.m west coast time but for the networks they might have just grouped uh you know east and central together so that it's just easier to do it that way anyway that's not wait what i don't you don't follow yeah no i just it's really boring i i stand by what i'm saying but it's really boring um let's say that you and i are launching that's on the tv tail crest let's say that you and i are launching our brand new network tv show on nbc nbc tv it's must see tv right and it's called the luke and andrew show it's my fantasy it's called the andrew and luke show it's called it's called kojak yes um anyway So the Andrew and Luke show is going to debut this Sunday night, right? And so the network says, okay, this is just in a meeting. This isn't on the commercial yet. We say, okay, this is how we're going to roll this out. We're going to be debuting this Sunday night. It's going to air at 9 p.m. Sunday night. It's also going to air at 10 p.m. Central Time. So those two, if you're in the Central Time Zone and you're in the Eastern Time Zone, you could be we're gonna delay it for the west coast yeah but those other time zones get delayed so you don't have to say that i follow so anyway there you go ah no damn no you know what that

actually i'm glad that we got there because i wasn't following but now i am following like for instance if you watch the jimmy kimmel show if you're in new york and you watch the jimmy kimmel show you see it at midnight and you see that show at midnight on in the west but

Thank you.

it's the tape it's they've delayed it yeah and you're saying that maybe in um you know uh i don't know michigan somewhere in michigan i'm sure i don't even actually know where the central time zone is but let's just say you're somewhere you're in hillsdale michigan go to go from minnesota here i would say you're in bemidji minnesota you might see you might see kimmel at 11 p.m because they're just like you get to see it at 11 uh but the west coast because it's so it would be weird to watch

it at nine yeah they delay it more they just delay it yeah straight up so that's probably how

that happened so we should do your your point in all this is we should definitely do these game

nights yeah because in my dream last night you and i got there on monday and we did our morning uh tbtl episode and we streamed it live and then the rest of the day was so hectic and we had all these other things to do i don't remember what they were but then all of a sudden you and i turned to each other and we said it's already nine o'clock at night we were supposed to do for the east coast you know in well now we're getting into time zone stuff we were basically four hours late for starting the game nights we realized that we never showed up to do the game night on monday night And we're like the tens were just in the Zoom by themselves, which is probably probably preferred anyway. But everybody was just like waiting for us. And we never logged in. And by the time we logged in, nobody was there anymore. And then we had a really stressful night. And then, you know, what else happened? This is lesson number two. We were up so late worrying about that and prepping for things that we overslept for Tuesday's live morning broadcast of TBTL. Like and that's when I woke up. So God knows if I kept sleeping.

Actually, in your dream, you were up and you were just like, how do I get Luke out of that chamber he's in?

I mean, you're actually, despite a couple of like outsized examples, there's for the most part, like I'm the one who likes to sleep in. Like you're when you and I are doing work trips together. You're up at six o'clock. You're taking your you're taking your morning jog.

And I'm like dragging ass. i'm uh i am going to be doing uh the uh club for eagle soaring will be reconvening which of course just means if you uh you know if you want to follow along on facebook and and kind of get out and take a walk or a run or even just aggressively play with your cat uh on your couch whatever works for you physically we're gonna be doing that next week and i have i have a whole plan i have five runs planned out i'm going to city park on monday cherry creek trail on tuesday uh platte river trail on wednesday highline canal trail on thursday and then cheeseman park slash capital

on friday wow i'm gonna i need to tomorrow i will present the five dive bars that i plan on going to

oh i'll be going to those as well but this is why the running happens i want you to be could you be like a burgess meredith character andrew and and i'll be rocky i know that really makes me seem cooler than i am but like or how about this can i be mac from mike tyson punch out and can you be doc i think is the name of mac's manager who's like there's a scene where mac is running near the like statue of liberty for some reason which isn't even possible because that's on an island uh mac is like running through new york and doc his little like animatronic coach or whatever you Not animatronic, but you know what I mean? Yeah.

A little cartoon coach.

Is encouraging him from the back of a truck or something? Can we do that kind of dynamic? So I'd have to wake up for this?

Sounds like no. I'm going to give you a hard no on that. If I'm waking up early in the morning, I'm probably going to start prepping TBTL stuff. I think I'm going to have so much anxiety. Although, I mean, honestly, that was the Rocky theme song. A lot of people don't know that, by the way.

I want to hear the Mike Tyson punch-out theme.

Yeah, that's going to be some 8-bit. I'm looking it up right now. Okay, you got it there, yeah.

Did you play that game as a kid?

I didn't have it. I think Tim had it, Tim Cassada. Some friend of mine, and I only had like one friend, so it must have been Tim had it.

That was the only, really the only video game, and I wasn't even great at it, but I just wasn't abjectly terrible. That was the only game that I could kind of hang with. I mean, I couldn't get to Tyson, but I could get to like the second bald bowl.

Did you punch somebody until their pants came down, or was the trick that you somehow pulled somebody? Yeah, that's King Hippo. Okay, yeah.

So that was the whole thing. we had to read, James DeMuth and I had to read this is actually, it's really funny, it just cut to a, I'm playing this on YouTube now it just cut to King Hippo getting punched in the tummy this is someone speed running the entire game, Andrew I'm tempted to just play it, it's 15 minutes, I'm tempted to play it under us and just narrate what's happening but that would be dreadfully boring to you.

and the listeners but it did start with a really easy guy named glass joe which is a reference to

having a glass jaw yeah never um never name yourself glass joe if your name is glass joe get in just stay out of the fight yeah exactly find a different field this whole speed running

thing is really fascinating and also that the fact that they made mario the like um referee for the fight i forgot about that i totally did as well until i'm just watching this now like what that's an odd like that's the nintendo universe they're like we should have spider-man just be also like judging this fight for some reason oh von kaiser so you go with you go from glass joe then you go to this guy von kaiser who's i think that they wanted it to be a vaguely uh nazi-ish but then they realized that was too intense for kids so they made him more like a Like a beer barrel von Stein guy who has kind of like that mustache curled up at the ends. Yes, I think I can picture that. Oh, you get a star. So if you punch someone in the stomach, you get a star, which then allows you to do a punch where you jump high. Because, again, Mac, the person that you are as the player, is minuscule compared to the boxers.

Yeah, it doesn't seem fair. What are the weight classes, you know?

Like, how are these people sharing a ring? I think Mac is fighting in the 40-pound. I think that's super featherweight. So we just beat Von Kaiser. Again, there are four people that care about this. Oh, Piston Honda. This is where the casual racism becomes less casual. And in fact, I believe for the rest of the game.

Wait, what happens here? Who is this?

Well, I don't know. I mean, there's a number of people that you fight who are just sort of, you know, ethnically coded in a way that just doesn't... Like, this guy is called... He, you know, appears to be Asian, and he's called Piston Honda. Oh, yeah. There's also a guy named Soda Popinski. There's a guy named The Great Tiger who's, like, Sikh. Like, as I start to think about it, a lot of this game...

It's dealing with some stereotypes.

Really, basically, the only person that's cool is... The people that you can beat up are Don Flamenco, who's just an Italian stereotype, which I think we're all just like, whatever. Italy's had it pretty good And there's a guy named Sandman He's black so that's on the line But there's a guy named Super Macho Man Who's just like a white dude with a ponytail So you can beat the shit out of him

And Glass Joe, I'm looking at the characters now What about Super Macho Man?

That's the guy that you can punt Super Macho Man's punch Is he spins, he contorts His whole body in like 360 degrees Oh here it is

But he's not problematic. This is you and me in New York. Okay.

This is you. I'm running behind you. You're on a bike. Da-da-da. Da-da-da. oh i see so again uh geographically confusing where they are that they can just see the statue of liberty in the background the way that they're where that they're at um also by the way uh don flamenco i think is probably there's some sort of like subtle jokes about him being possibly gay which also doesn't work. I like Soda Popinski. Yeah, almost everyone that you're beating up on this game, it's not cool.

Well, Glass Joe is fine. You can beat up on him. Glass Joe's good. Looks like later on in maybe the 94 version, somebody named Aaron Ryan comes through, and I wonder if that's like...

Wait, for real? Yeah, look, I just typed in... There's a 94 version?

Yeah, apparently, because I'm looking at some of these, and I'm like, these are not from the original 1980s.

They rebooted Mike Tyson's Punch-Out?

I guess so, yeah. It looks like there were various versions. And so 94, I don't even know what system that would be, but there's something named Aaron Ryan in there. Is Bearhugger original or is Bearhugger from some sort of reboot as well?

That's definitely not from the – now we got to King Hippo. So King Hippo is basically the beginning of what I consider to be round two. And the story with King Hippo was he could deflect every single punch. He was a man of large carriage, Andrew, but he could deflect every single punch. unless you did this where you basically threw a punch at his head and he went to block it and then right away you punched him in the stomach his whole thing was trying to hold his shorts up oh yeah right like an a band-aid like an x of band-aids on his belly button and that was his his achilles heel as it were and as i've told the story many times on the show james demuth and i I spent an entire day pouring over Nintendo Power Magazine to figure out how to beat King Hippo because James was speed.

running through, before there was a term for that, speed running through the game and then King Hippo came and we just couldn't figure out how can you beat this guy. I'd like to

just for a moment come to Bear Huggers defense to a certain degree because he is more OG than we wanted to give him credit for, but I think maybe only appearing in the 80s in the arcade version of Mike Tyson's Super Punch Out.

Interesting. Yeah, I did not ever play this game at the arcade, so I'm sure

But he does go back to 84 for Super Punch-Out, which is probably the arcade version of this, and then does come back around for the 94 version at home.

Have you watched any of these speedruns on any games? It's really interesting, actually.

I have seen, in fact, I'm watching one now, or I have one going on in the background here, for Ninja Gaiden. You said that this conversation we're having now is only interesting to four people. I think I might be the only person who was heavily into Ninja Gaiden. Oh, I think Ninja Gaiden was a big deal. Was it?

I didn't ever play it, but I heard it on the wind. It was quite the topic at school. I didn't know that.

People didn't talk to me at school, so I thought this was my own thing. I'm watching that. You were playing that music that Mike Tyson punched on. For some reason, I was like, I need to watch some Ninja Gaiden right now. Not that the music is that similar, but it's all within a range. And so I was compelled to put this on. I have one of those little emulator things. Is that the right word? It was like one of those little BlackBerry computer things. It's like the size of a deck of cards, and you have to – I just set it up and program it myself, and I turned it into an NES and I guess an emulator for all kinds of old games. The one reason I don't play it so much is I don't know if it's a problem with the little device or if it's a problem with the USB controller I have for it. But it seems like there's a slight delay with the controller that's just maddening enough that if you grew up with these games – like, I'm sure I could get used to it because your brain – like, we're talking about a split second here. I'm sure you would just adjust eventually but like I'm playing these games that I knew how to play in the 80s and muscle memory comes back Contra was another big one for me although I think I always rented that one by arcade I mean the shell station on Aurora and Green Lake Way nice nice nice I loved yeah I loved I love the way Contra would shift perspective I think we've talked about this before in fact as I mentioned something about being a first person shooter and somebody corrected me and said it's not technically that if you can see the character, but it doesn't really matter, but I like the way that the game would switch from being a horizontal left-to-right game to then sometimes being like an over-the-shoulder game, like it was pretty innovative at the time. Was there a thing in Contra where you could do like a flip? Yeah, you could.

Like that was part of your like, your attack style was like the character would like kind of flip into a almost like a, I don't know how to describe it, but was that a thing in Contra? I feel like

when you jumped, you also spun in a circle, and I think you could, depending if you had a certain weapon i could be wrong on this but i think you would spin around and if you could continue to fire your weapon it might shoot it around in a circle which might be what you're thinking of i'm not i'm not 100 sure on that but yeah i definitely want to play some ninja gaiden

here can we do that in denver we absolutely can and i'm gonna i want to get an emulator and i want i mean i i've already said i don't know if this game really holds up from a kind of representation standpoint yeah but i would love to just sit there and play some super mario brothers with you On an emulator By the way we're now training for the next We just beat Bald Bull We're back to running in the mean streets Of maybe Hoboken, New Jersey I'm trying to think of Where this perspective could actually be happening

Remind me again Why it's Does it seem like there are representations of different cities Why can this just not be in New York

It's all set in New York for some reason I think they're Because, you know, Rocky is famously a movie about New York when he runs up the New York City library steps and yells, Adrian, that's a famously New York thing. Who knows, right? I mean, this game is being developed probably in Japan.

But what are you seeing in the game that makes it seem like it couldn't be the perspective on the statue?

Well, have you been past the Statue of Liberty? It is on an island in the middle of, I guess, New York Harbor. Oh, I see. And they're running up to it No they're just running past it It's in the background in a way that They'd have to be at the southern tip of Manhattan But even then it would be sort of far away Like it just doesn't make geographic Sense They're too close to it Like they're just running and it's also the skyline Again it would have to be New Jersey But the Statue of Liberty thing Doesn't fit into that part of it

I thought you were seeing something like Why are they running past the Statue of Liberty And getting a cheesesteak from Philadelphia

Philadelphia makes no appearance in this, unfortunately Oh, here comes Soda Popinski

He's a big drinker, right?

Well, he is, but they can't say that for kids So that's why he's Soda Popinski

But basically the idea of this guy is he's a drunk Russian. Uh-huh, yeah. And so he says, you know, there's a little trash talking in this game. And Soto Popinski, like when you're in the break, Soto Popinski at one point says, I can't drive, so I'm going to walk all over you. Which I think is, they're saying he's too drunk to drive. I don't know. I mean, again, maybe he's gotten too many DUIs. I took that to be the implication when I was a kid.

i can't drive why can't i drive maybe he just can't drive to the united states maybe because he came maybe he hasn't gotten a license in the u.s could it be as innocent as that

i was um on that baz lerman shoot andrew again we're really really really needing to get to break um but when i was on that shoot our it was so interesting about citizenship i was talking to our camera guy Efrain and I was like we're just chatting we're waiting for Baz Luhrmann to descend this like very regal staircase it was like out of a movie which was probably not an accident and Efrain and I were just chatting and I was like hey um you know where'd you grow up and he's like Arizona and we're just chatting and then I go somehow oh I said where'd you go to college and he goes well I didn't go to college because I actually wasn't here legally he goes and I just on my citizenship three days ago oh nice wow and then i was like what and then he told me you know about the taking the citizenship test which again i just don't think certainly i could never pass the citizenship test like i think it's famously way harder than you would think and also a lot of people who think of themselves as quote unquote americans would fail miserably at that test but it was just a and he was like yeah it was really emotional and you know like it was like uh it was just really cool to be with all these people who are just really excited to become citizens of this country and by the way my friend Efrain is like a complete Brooklyn hipster right he's like tatted up and like you know I don't know what I think somebody who didn't have their citizenship looks like but I guess I wouldn't have thought it was this dude and anyway it was just kind of a nice moment to remember what an amazing country this is despite its many problems and all the ways that it seems to be going in the wrong direction, that there are still people for whom being a citizen of this country is really appealing. And if we can just lean back into that, maybe we'll get

somewhere. I'm looking at some sample citizenship questions here. I actually think you would get these. I'm not going to, unless you want me to, I'm not going to... I would love to.

Actually, I'm also a dreamer, Andrew. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

These are pretty, these are, because I always thought this was way more difficult, too. Now, if you were to give them to me and I was on the spot, I'm sure I'd mess some of this up. Okay, let me see how I would do it, being a U.S. citizen. But let me see, is this actually, I don't know if this is a study guide or an actual thing.

We're basing the second John Flamenco, by the way, for people scoring at home on the Tyson speed run.

Can you name, this is a tougher one, can you name two rights that are in the Declaration of Independence? Oof. See, this is one that you know, but yep. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. Those are the three. Exactly. These are weirdly open-ended. Okay, how many amendments does the Constitution have? I don't think I would have gotten this, which is embarrassing, but I need to throw myself out there if I'm putting you on the spot.

Amendments. 21? 27. Dang it. I don't recognize 22 through 27.

Be careful. You don't know what's in there. Let's see here. Let's see.

One of my conversations with Taj, my lift guy, when I was leaving New York, was he was like, well, I think they're going to get rid of the Electoral College. And I was like, no. I wish. I super wish. But unfortunately, in order for the Electoral College to go away, they have to it's I believe it involves a constitutional amendment, which would involve like the senators from Wyoming voting to take away their states over, you know, representation, et cetera. Yeah. I'm sorry. I mean, we can't get Mr. Sandman was 31 years old. I 30. Mr. Sandman is he is the guy that you face. I think he's the penultimate. I think there's a few more rounds, but he is, maybe not, maybe he's not the penultimate. I guess Super Macho Man is the penultimate, but he's one of the guys right before Tyson. And I remember thinking, Mr. Sandman has to be easily 80 years old. To think, when I was playing this as a kid, or more accurately watching James DeMuth play this as a kid, to think that Mr. Sandman was only 31 is shocking. I'm 15 years older than Mr. Sandman from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. This should be the music. Yeah, that was his thing. That was his punch. Yeah. Oh, this is such a good song. This is better than the Mike Tyson. No, that's...

What does the president's cabinet do? Well, that seems really open-ended. I mean, there are a lot of answers to that that would be accurate. You could say run various national projects, but you could also say tries to keep him from walking to a church and holding a Bible upside down. I mean, those would both be accurate answers based on the recent presidency of Donnie.

The answer here on the official form is holds his cans of soup. so oh okay so i was wrong yeah i mean but i mean i do think you're right there's some wiggle room there anyway there you go um that's it that was my power out i don't want to i mean i just had a good president's cabinet joke i don't want to um try to extend this any further i just honestly

like as a i'm not a excuse me i'm not a gamer uh you know in my kind of current version of my life but when I watch something like this does Mike Tyson think I'm watching it like makes me completely understand the allure of gaming because this is one of the strongest sense memories that I could like ever have is this thing like I literally I know it's our job to finish the show but I would just watch this speed run of Tyson just happy as a clam because of all of the kind of childhood stuff that it brings back

but watching the speed run though doesn't it also just make you want to play really bad like watching this ninja game video was driving me bananas i wanted play so bad

no because i was such a bad video game player this is the speed run is similar to what my actual experience was as a kid which was not being the person playing watching someone who was really good at it whether it was andy angstrom or james demuth or his uh sort of stepbrother micah who taught us the term waxing for sex he said he had waxed we were in seventh grade and i was scandalized never i'm scandalized now i'd never heard that before he was like have you ever waxed and i was like what does that mean he's like had sex i was like no i'm in sixth grade i'm not even allowed to say that word i mean and he was like oh yeah me and this girl i remember a girl coming over to their house and i mean literally probably i was watching james play mike tyson punch out and Micah had some, he was a little older than us, and he had some gal come over, and then who knows what happened, probably not even waxing, but then she left, and then was like, what happened? He was like, we waxed.

The fact that he calls her a gal means he's not ready for waxing.

Yeah, and he was like, is your dance card full, little lady? Because I am fixing to wax. The gal's at the office. Anyway. All right, we should take a break. I'm going to just quietly watch the rest of this speed run. This really should be called Mac's Punch-Out He's not the titular character But the character that you're playing as is Mac Like Mike Tyson only shows up At the very end A.K.A. right now We have two more minutes I'm sorry Andrew So there's something called the Knockout News That says there's a new champ The WVBA World Circuit And then it's a picture of Mac The character that we're playing as Look mama we made it And now here comes Kid Dynamite, Mike Tyson, from Catskill, New York, 21 years old, 220 pounds. And they're showing us an ad for some kind of a... Oh, another thing, Andrew. How many views do you think the Mike Tyson Punch-Out! speedrun is?

I'm going to say 1.6 million.

Seven and a half million, my friend. Nothing we ever do will have the impact on the culture that the speed run of Mike Tyson's punch out has. Well, we're trying to draft off it right now.

Like, I mean. Yeah, we are.

If we get taken down by Spotify for this, I swear to God. So this is Mike Tyson not even landing a punch on whoever is doing the speed run. And I remember even folks like James could not. Like, it was, I remember when he finally beat Tyson, when he landed a punch on Tyson. We couldn't believe it. This guy, this person playing is just, I mean, a punch has not landed on the person who is doing the speedrun, which, of course, is how speedruns work, I guess.

By the way, speaking of music, we have to be especially careful with our music next week. We can't have YouTube pulling us down. Remember that last year?

I know, we ran into that last year. Yeah. We're just going to play the Mike Tyson music.

like, leading up to the show, like, as we're, like, five minutes before the show, we'll just play. I would actually be down with that.

This really pumps me up, Andrew. I promise I'll be better at broadcasting this year if I can listen to this. He's on... Tyson's been knocked down twice, so we're about to get a TKO. If this guy can get it in in round one. Which I guess is why it's called a speed run.

Oh, they did it. Again, I don't know why I assumed the gender. This seems like a thing a dude would be doing. Oh, you're the person who's playing the game. The person who's playing. Whoever we're watching on YouTube, I don't really know what their gender is, but it seems guyish to me. Mike Tyson says, great fighting. You were tough, Mac. I've never seen such finger speed before.

Oh, I see, because you're talking to the... See, that's confusing. Talking to Mac, or are you talking to the player here? Because Mac wasn't using his fingers, he was using his fists. You know what I mean?

This is what I'm saying. Get consistent, Nintendo.

You know what? It's lazy writing. It's a corporation of America. It's lazy writing. So that's it. It's not. I thought you said you faced Tyson twice or something, but no, no. It's just the final, final round.

No, you face a few of them. You face Bald Bull twice, Piston Honda twice. A couple of them come back for some reason. I don't fully understand because there are lots of you. I think you might see Don Flamenco twice, but you don't. There's some that you only see once for whatever reason. All right. Andrew I know that was terrible podcasting But I really enjoyed it That would really put some pep in my step on this Wednesday

Would now be a good time to ask people to donate Or should we just go to the break

Let's try to create as much distance between what just happened And when we ask for money Can we do the thon in four months We will if we oversleep Alright let's take a quick break and then we'll be back With more TBTO

we was hoping for some razzle dazzle razzle dazzle that's right man razzle dazzle on your mark on your mark get set get set now ready ready go everybody razzle dazzle everybody let's thank some dazzling

donors these folks are dazzling us with their donation of dough each month and uh it really helps keep this whole thing going i had pitched a show to apm where i just play speed runs of mike

tyson punch out and when you say play you weren't playing them you were just hitting play on a

youtube video oh yeah yeah okay no i just i said the show will be me watching someone on youtube play mike tyson punch out really fast and they were like uh are there donors who will pay for your salary and andrew's salary for that to happen and i said let me get back to you on that yeah

what's the i mean what is the episode arc on that by the way is that an eight episode season um how

are you breaking this down it's a it's a 3686 episode arc interesting that is funny that and again you nailed it but like these real prestige kind of podcasts that are usually really good and very listenable but where there's like the middle three episodes that just kind of truthfully don't

need to happen when i started playing videos of mike tyson's punch out i asked myself am i mike

tyson am i the mike tyson in this but the irony that like we're complaining about three superfluous episodes in a nine episode season and we're on three thousand six hundred and eighty six today It's kind of rich Today's, the first dazzling donor we want to thank Is our friend Broadcast Barry Barry Fott In the Madrona district of Seattle, Washington I know it and I love it Barry here A Seattle 10 I want to start by saying I'm on the side of the Razzle Dazzle song, it's a catchy tune It puts a pep in my cadence As I soar through the neighborhoods of Seattle During my morning TBTL run

Let me get this going again

I run, and I listen to TBTL, and not to brag, but I do them both at the same time. I find this fascinating that Barry and other folks are able to use TBTL as a running soundtrack. I don't think I would be able to. Well, one, it would be weird because it's my voice. Yeah. And Barry is not just a casual jogger. I once ran a half marathon that Barry won in Winthrop, Washington.

he posted his map you know how you can post your map of your morning he posted it on Instagram the other day I'm not kidding Luke I don't think I've ever driven around Seattle that far before like it exhausts me to think about driving in my car as far as he jogged on just a random Tuesday

well when I was just in Hawaii I was like hey where do you cause you know I was staying near where Barry and Sam live and i was like where do you go and he was like well do you want the flat run do you want the hilly run do you want the long run do you want the short run like he had he had 50 versions of what he does when he's out there yogging anyway he says i also run a coffee company It's called Broadcast Coffee and a bakery. It's called Temple Pastries. If you're around one of them, stop in and say, hey, it would be great to see you. Hint, my office is connected to Temple. It's also where Broadcast Roasts are coffee. And I'll just say that you and I drink Broadcast Coffee, Andrew, because Barry is nice enough to send us free coffee every month. And when I run out of it, I am very sad now. I finally become a person who can taste coffee.

It's so good, it really is I'm not just saying that, I'm drinking it right now

Three days where it's like I've burned through my supply of broadcast And I'm using something that my parents just gave me This random gigunda bag of some Costco nightmare And that's what I sort of tied myself over with But anyway, broadcast is really good stuff I am inspired, Barry says, by the closeness and kindness of all the tens Listening to your V-mails on the pod cart And reading your messages When you order online from broadcast Is a highlight of my week So thanks for your emotional and financial support Y'all are the best See, this is very, I guess, symbiotic Would be the term, right? Barry's sending us free coffee Tens are going to broadcast coffee They're saying, hey, we heard about you on TBTL And just the circle of life

Yeah, or I think technically The FTC calls it payola

Ah, yes, that is Well, no, no, that's not Is that Payola? That's Plugola Or Plugola, sorry, my apologies Payola would be if Barry wrote a song And then paid us, and then we played The song and made it the number one hit In America, which, we're not rolling that out, Bear But I think Plugola would be Yes, exactly, my apologies Those are the two things I learned in my intro to broadcasting class At Nathan Hale High School

I think a lot of people wish I'd Plugola my mouth right about now

Barry says, I want to give a shout out to fellow 10 And Henry Hsu and his business, Robot Dance Battle. Henry is a very talented artist and illustrator. Check out his online store. Henry and I partnered on a couple of projects, and Broadcast uses his washi tape on orders we send through the mail. Oh, okay. I think I've seen that tape on orders that were sent to me. And the best for last, Luke, Andrew, thank you for keeping this thing going. A 60 to 180 minute dose of TBTL is just what the doctor ordered Well, Dr. Nick Riviera, I believe The only doctor who might think this was healthy for people Can't wait to hear what you have planned for the upcoming TBTL-a-thon Well, Barry, we're going to Denver, so we'll see you there I'm sure Barry knows where the good runs are in Denver

I bet you, yes, I'm sure it's already mapped out Here's what I'm going to do before you maestro me What I've been doing is Is it a verb now? Because I don't want to – because I drink so much coffee during the show, what I'll do is now I have this little – our old Too Beautiful to Live travel mug. Remember that thing, Luke? It's kind of like a little thermos. I bring that down in the office with me, and I pour it into my Every Day is Trash Day classic ceramic mug, and then give you some ASMR here. That's Barry's coffee right there, Luke. Can you hear that okay?

Well, great. Now I have to pee.

Oh, wait. That's not coffee. Shoot. Boy, what a terrible way for me to end that sweet, sweet promotion.

Thank you, Barry. We really appreciate you, man. Maestro.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dazzle.

We've also got to thank Dazzling Donor J.C. Clark in Tacoma, Washington. JC says, not to toot my own horn, but I thought it might make you smile to know I spend more money per year on your imaginary radio show than I do for an entire year of car insurance. Wow, that really puts it in perspective. Yeah, it really does. Also, good job, JC. You must have a very clean driving record.

JC's got a really cool car. I follow JC on Instagram. I want to promote Jaycee's Instagram, although I'm not 100% sure if – you know how some people mark theirs as private? But, I mean, you can always request an invite, and I guess Jaycee can decide whether or not she wants to have you as a follower.

I find it hilarious when someone asks to follow me on Instagram or whatever, and I hit sure because, like, I have posted –

Oh, you have yours dialed down like that?

Is that what that means? I don't – I mean, I am such a bad Instagram person. Like, I – my relationship with Instagram is like my relationship with marijuana. i want it to be more robust but i just never remember to do it like so i don't mean maybe all i know is sometimes i'll go into the whatever of my instagram and it'll say it'll be like a hundred people were like this person asked to follow you and or whatever to be friends with you whatever the instagram term is and i'll go sure sure sure but then sometimes it'll be like this account is private and i'm like wait what yeah well that's interesting you asked to be part of my Instagram.

life of having three pictures posted so you must have your set to private if people have to ask to follow you because anybody can just follow me but then i do run into that sometimes somebody will be like hey i'm following you now and then i'll go to follow back and i'm like oh your thing is private which means i need to request it and then like i mean so my instagram has been private this whole time i don't know man i don't know what you got going on over there

there's also a thing where some there's nothing happening there but i will i will make sometimes

believe you me anyone can all all may follow if they care to they might be trying to send you messages which you still have to allow but anyway yeah i get into a weird one sliding into my dms

i've always wanted to have my dms slidden into sorry jc that's not where this i'm not saying

jc wants to slide into i know it's just what kind of car does jc have i want to say because i mentioned a classic car on the show before and i was like wait would they have made them back in like 1970 whatever and jc said yes they did because i have that car and it's like a it's a hot rod of some sort but that's all like i mean it is a it's a lifestyle it's really cool that's all well here's

the rest of jc's message which is sort of relevant to that much like my car i consider you guys classic and want to enjoy you till the wheels fall off which hopefully they don't but consider my donation insurance to keep cruising into our ear holes i am incredibly thankful for you well we are incredibly thankful for you jc and now i really want to know what this what this uh this hot rod is that jc is out there sporting yeah i'm looking i had a moment you know carrie's dad uh john bolden is a is a noted hot rodder and classic car enthusiast and literally has a museum that he built behind their house to hold all of his I don't even know how many of these perfectly restored classic cars he has and then something I believe is called Petrolliana which is all things related to OG gas stations like you know the gas pumps and all the like if you were to go into the gas station and then you were to buy a pack of smokes everything every sign every whatever I think that's called Petrolliana So, you know, I can picture that. JC, not to brag, but I, you know, I've I've hung out with the Cascade Car Club.

JC has a 64 T-Bird. Whoa. Yeah. That runs. Yeah, I think so. Because I was saying on the show a while back here, I'll just tell you, JC, I'm going to spill.

I have a 74 Ford F-250 that's still at the Burnside Auto Repair. Oh, my God. You think it is. I know. I visit it, Andrew. Drive by and cry. It's like a child that I don't have legal visitation with, but I know when they're going to school and I watch them from afar.

What's the deal with that? Are they waiting for you to pay or you're waiting to make a decision? Why are they babysitting your truck?

Well, A, I don't think there was a lot else going on in this lot. B, maybe when I go get it, they're going to say, no, the storage is more than the value of this truck. I bought the truck for like two grand. um c maybe they don't care d i just can't bring myself to deal with no i'm just confused because

this is a place that was supposed to fix it right so you take your truck somewhere that's supposed

to fix it up and then what happened so what happened was uh i saw this truck on a street in portland becca and i were going to see the french dispatch and i had been thinking i need to get because i'm going to be doing a bunch of renovation on this house that i bought i'm going to be hauling a lot of debris so i was like i need i need something that's not my mazda to do this and i also just was in a weird mood of thinking i had been thinking this previously like it'd be cool to get an old ass truck and tool around in that so we're walking down a street in portland and here's this truck and it has a for sale sign in the window which you never even see anymore i feel like you know what i mean like vehicles are sold via the internet like to see a actual handwritten for sale sign in the window of something is kind of rare and so i was like here it is a truck and i want to buy a truck and it's for sale so i texted the guy and uh i met him the next day and when i got to the truck he said this never happens but the truck won't start and i was like well what are we going to do about that i was like you probably have to get it started before i can buy it because i'm not going to buy a truck that doesn't start he's like it always starts make me an offer and that was when i said i'll give you two grand for it and he said okay so then we towed it to this repair shop on burnside in portland and we used his ex-wife's triple a membership by the way not to brag um so i had to look really foxy when the tow truck driver showed up i'm candace um no but we uh got it towed

to the thing and the guy who sold to me was not wrong because the guys at the repair shop said it was a loose wire we got it started yeah i was like huzzah this is the this is the perfect crime i got a real discount on this truck which is known as clementine by the way because it's this orange color um and so i was like this is really great the truck is starting now and i'm gonna come get it and the guy and then the guy said have you heard or started up and i said the guy at the auto repair i said no because it didn't start when i bought it and he goes it's rough and this was a guy who's rough yeah like he and his brother are both one of them kept calling it i think the yellow truck and then someone yelled it's not yellow it's orange this guy's here for the yellow truck like these people are completely out of step with portland with 2022 with they really should be living in the town that dan akroyd runs in the movie um uh nothing but trouble like they're bobo and little devil these brothers that run this auto thing so the guy was like she is rough and i said well can you make her not rough can i pay you to tune it up he was like i want you and this is also him actually doing me a solid he's like i want you to hear it first Meaning he was not going to take He was not going to accept my money To work more on this truck Because it's Quote unquote rough So what my brain did with that information was This truck I probably bought I probably bought a truck with a blown engine And if this guy doesn't want to accept More money to tune it up It means it's probably not long for this world And I'm going to have to go over there And listen to this extremely blown out engine on this truck and then make a decision that's going to make me feel probably bad about my decision making previous to this and so what I've chosen to do is inactivity, inaction but I do, it's by the Whole Foods and every time I go to the Whole Foods I just drive by the truck to see if it's still there, that's the status and this is not, this is absolutely not one of my finest qualities but it is what it is

How much does Waxahachie and or Kevin Morby have to do with you buying this truck? You know, because of the album cover of St. Cloud and all their videos. I mean, it's just like, you know, I haven't watched their videos, but very truck driving down a dusty road and probably naming it

probably 80% of it is just just Waxahachie related and Morby. Yeah, those two. God, he has a song on his new album that is about her that is just so beautiful And just adorable to me Like it means name checking her Then I went back and I listened to St. Cloud Her album that I really love And thought of it all being a song Or rather an album kind of about Her relationship with Kevin Morby And then I just was thinking about both of them on the plane And then missing my truck That doesn't run

You're looking up thruples Yes, I don't think I'm invited to that I sure wish

Anyway, thanks JC And thanks Barry for helping keep TBTL going hello and welcome to top story all right let's talk about this pearl jam thing um so this i ignored this story for a period of time andrew because i feel like it's kind of a move with rock bands now and it's a it's a good thing it's it's positive for the world but there are a lot of stories about like x y and z band brings up nine-year-old who totally shreds on the guitar with them like it's i think it's probably a way for these bands to just keep it interesting for themselves on the road maybe yeah and so i kept seeing this headline you know teenager plays uh with pearl jam uh and i was like okay but this happens sort of a lot but then i actually read the story and it was it's kind of interesting to me the um so the drummer for pearl jam matt Cameron uh has COVID because everyone in the world has COVID right now pretty much except you and me Andrew we're not getting it no one other quick sort of parenthetical thing I mentioned this yesterday I never got to it I bought a bunch more masks I'm now wearing a mask when I'm in like I went and got some dinner last night and I wore a mask I'm back to it because you and I Andrew cannot get COVID before next week yeah no I've been thinking the same thing like I had to

go to the um post office yesterday and i was just like you know there's no need for me i mean post offices especially around here tend to kind of be um they can be crowded with all kinds of people and i was like i i don't know where these folks have been so i was definitely like masking up to go there because i'm like again not not that i don't care the rest of the time i know there's a social responsibility there, but so far, I...

haven't caught covid i've been genevieve even had it um and i lived with her and i never had even you know anything close to it so i mean maybe i was a silent carrier or whatever my point with this though and i was cautious and i wasn't gallivanting around town during that period but my point is i'm not doing it out of a huge concern of my own safety but more about like i cannot i cannot i cannot you can't have anything like that happen to me going into this um tbtl nor can i

And so and I'm you know, I'm going to fly to L.A. tomorrow. I've been on a bunch of planes of late and I just was like, it would be catastrophic if you or I got covid because it's again. And what what had me worried was people who have been vaccinated now finding that the vaccine is wearing off or people catching their second round of covid because I did have Omicron. i am of course vaccinated i am boosted which raises the question i know this we're supposed to talk about pearl jam here or this kid who played drums with pearl jam if like when when you go to the airport in portland there's a vaccination like tent there that no one ever goes to like it's just sitting there like hey you want to get vaccinated and i've seen this actually at other airports as well there are so many places where there is vaccine sitting around going unused is it morally wrong would it be morally wrong for me to go up to one of those places and just act like i hadn't been vaccinated and just get basically a second booster i think so

yeah you think so i i think yeah i mean but you know me let me make the argument follower so let

me make the argument if i am if if if the vaccine is sitting there unused so i'm not depriving someone of it and if me being double boosted means i am less likely to get some version of covid and then transmit it to somebody else or some buddies else isn't it the morally correct thing for me to do to make it the least likely that i give covid to somebody else i feel like

if it was the right thing to do you wouldn't have to lie about it that's well that's that's where i'm coming from because i i'm feeling the same thing like i i mean luke i'm i'm being serious here like i'm not somebody who traditionally would get my flu shots only if i happen to be at the doctor and they would like jab me as i'm running out the door um but like you know i just never thought ahead about those types of things i also don't know that i necessarily catch the flu all that often i just don't care about also i used to be and maybe not used to be but i used especially with flu shots i was very apprehensive about getting a shot now i'm just kind of like can i get another shot please like can i please like i want a booster like you know i think the one that people who are 50 and older are able to get now like i haven't been able to get i'm 45 and it's kind of like no i'm envious like i want i want another booster too the shots are sitting

there they're in vials no one's asking for them the people are looking for something to do i haven't done this by the way so just for the record i'm not trying to like retroactively justify my shady behavior but every time i go by that by that tent i think they have the medicine they're looking for something to do me getting the medicine slightly decreases the chance that I will be a carrier of this virus how is that the immoral thing for me to go get that from them again if you trust the

system at all and maybe you're at a point where you don't trust the system but I have gotten through this pandemic by just basically believing what the doctors and and government officials has told us is the right thing to do and so when they say hey Andrew it's time for you to get your shot I immediately go get my shot. And so I hope that they will tell us it's the right thing to do. Now, if you're losing faith in the system and you think they're wrong, maybe you can make that argument. I'm not there yet. And I'm doing what Fauci says. And like if I had to go into a little tent and lie about it, I feel like that kind of answers the question right there. You're lying. Now, if you're to the point where you're like, listen, this whole system is immoral. They're doing it wrong. It is. I mean, I'm not. No, I don't ever lying. It's the wrong thing to do, because sometimes lying is the right thing to do at this stage in the pandemic. from where i sit i wouldn't do i i wouldn't do that me i think the system is great i i think

it's so great i want more of it i want more of it than they are at this moment giving me but

anyway so they're not giving it to you there must be some reason for it right like either like

supplies and again i don't know enough about it see this is see that's the thing there's not a reason they're not giving it to us at this point that makes any sense other than it's just the machinations of the government are complicated and bureaucratic right because so you don't trust the system that's kind of what i was saying well i guess i i'm it's not that i don't trust this is that i observe the system for what it is which is a giant governmental thing that takes a lot of time to get to what it's trying to do and i just am like i'm again i'm just i'm seeing this second booster. that i think we should all get and i'm seeing no no one taking it like it's not like there's a line and i'm thinking again it's probably it is just selfishness and narcissism on my part thinking well we should all be double boosted there's the booster no one's taking it why would i not take it and i don't think it's because fauci doesn't think it's time for me to have it i think it's because it just to roll something out to basically add a bunch of people of your and my age to the list just means a whole other set of things and they're just trying to get ready for those whole other set of things but me going and getting that shot is not i mean again i'm i'm not doing it i haven't done it i will wait i will also wait but it's weird it's like it's not that i think that that those people are lying or that the system is broken i just think i can see the the how long it takes for this system to do the thing that we all kind of know we need to do which is most of us should just get another a booster at this point yeah no and again i understand the temptation i'm

not i'm not trying to be um so uh whatever i'm not i'm not trying to be so rigid here that i don't understand the arguments that you're saying i have the same emotional feeling as well but i do think that saying i trust the system i'm just observing the system and it's not doing what it should because it doesn't have the new i mean if you got into a uber and the driver started a conversation with you about like no i trust the system but i believe the system is not working i mean that's that that is the system that's i'm not talking about fauci individually but i'm talking about the broader version of the system and the system being defined as the system that has been set up to get the vaccine into the arms that it's supposed to be in and that it's not a cure-all for everything, but it's literally the system, and now I'm just being pedantic, but you are saying that the system is broken then.

I guess my analogy would be if the Uber driver was driving 61 miles per hour and the posted speed limit was 60, I wouldn't think he didn't believe in the system, in the Eisenhower interstate system. I would think it's just like sometimes we go faster than the speed limit that's posted. So you can believe, to me, You can believe in the system, but you also can sort of fudge around the edges of what is permissible, which is the zone that I tend to live my life in. But anyway, back to Pearl Jam. Also, definitely, let's both not get COVID, please, before next week. Yes, exactly. The drummer for Pearl Jam, Matt Cameron, who was the drummer for Soundgarden as well back in the day. He was in a band called Back in the Day before he was in Soundgarden. matt cameron got covid and so what pearl jam okay so yesterday i said there was bunk journalism from the new york post this is the bunk journalism the headline in the new york post is pearl jam concert saved by teen after band's drummer gets covid 19 it's like calm down new york post that's not i promise you 10 of the roadies for pearl jam can play the drum parts for pearl jam right oh i see the saves right yeah yeah yeah they were not saved it was not like matt cameron was mid hit on the tom and he just collapsed with covid and then a kid came out of the audience and said let me help finish old lady behind a front desk or whatever that song is called from vitalogy um i i like pearl jam by the way uh for the record but that's a very misleading headline and in fact this whole thing about like how will they find a drummer it's like listen i i'm not a drummer i would be terrible at it but you go to a rock show like a pearl jam rock show and you go backstage find anyone with gaffers tape on some kind of hip thing that person could play the entire set probably on both guitar and drums because the world of music there are the people on stage who are playing it and then there are the 1000 people to the side of the stage and backstage who are rolling in the gear who can also play it at this point because they were trying to

be Pearl Jam and it didn't work yeah I mean in the article even goes on to say that because I mean you're right it's so misleading and then you eventually get to the truth of the of the thing and we'll lay out the details there I'll step back and let you do that I was kind of wondering when I saw this on the show sheet a couple of days ago you had mentioned that there's some bunk journalism here and I wasn't even sure I was curious to see which part you're going to point out because I mean you're right the headline is the most kind of egregious in that the the saves saves concert is not true they had they had a drummer ready to go they let this kid do one the kid played one song

right played amazingly by the way but yes but yeah and and this was like i think the third or fourth show in the run of shows where matt cameron was unavailable and they had like uh the guy that was the drummer for the original version of pearl jam play one of the shows which also that guy was like Like, hey, I've been here. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what the hard.

I don't know what the what like the drummer who's sick right now who couldn't play. Is this the same drummer that was on like a live or what was that first album called? I can't remember. Ten. Ten. Right. Like, I mean, is this the original, original drummer? I don't know. This is no. Is Pearl Jam at all what Pearl Jam used to be? Is it most of the same people?

Oh, yeah. It's other than the drummer. It's all the same people. So this guy, Matt Cameron, I think he started in. i forget exactly when but i mean he was the original drummer for soundgarden so he was with a different band and then at some point he joined pearl jam he was not the person that played on 10 i believe the the guy who played on 10 actually was one of the people that filled in for matt cameron which must feel like a real you know i'm sure that guy's had a great life but if i played the drums on 10 and then for some reason wasn't in pearl jam anymore and then they went on to be Pearl Jam I would be like what the fuck yeah yeah yeah hey I wouldn't mind having a great life where I play pickup basketball against Luke at sound mind and body and call a lot of superfluous fouls aka my name is Jeff Amit um so anyway they've had a bunch they had a bunch of people fill in and and play the drum so it was like this this guy whose name is um Kai Newkermans um he's 18 years old and the way this is this is the part that i think is kind of interesting he heard about this first of all he's in a band i think it's called back in the day yep uh his band is called uh alive oh i'm alive which feels very so it's kind of a nod towards pearl jam maybe okay i mean i didn't say in the article that i saw let me i'm trying to figure out the exact you know eddie vedder actually names name checks this kid's band in the tape i'm about to play but um he was obviously very familiar with pearl jam and what's interesting was he was playing some music festival i think it was called ohana fest which made me think that it was in a in hawaii but it might have just been um just something called ohana fest and he befriended eddie vedder's daughter Olivia so they sort of knew each other and when this kid Kai Newkermans heard that Pearl Jam's drummer was down with COVID and that they were playing the Bay Area he texted Eddie Vedder's daughter and was like if they need someone I'd love to fill in and he didn't hear back for like three days or something so he just figured that well that's not happening and then he was at school And a manager from Pearl Jam Texted him and was like Can you send us a video Playing a Pearl Jam song So he bailed on school Which this is actually I don't know if I have the I don't think I have the article that references this I think it was the San Francisco Chronicle piece But basically he was in some kind of like I don't know like biology or physics class That he said he was like First of all he had a test in it But he was like I think that the teacher will like give me a pass

So he just, like, literally leaves school at that moment, goes home, learns this song called Mind Your Manners, videotapes himself playing the drum part to it, like, 50 times until he gets one that he likes, and then sends it to the Pearl Jam manager, and then also doesn't hear back for a bit, and then I think maybe goes back to school or goes back to his life, and then gets an email or a text, oh, you're in, we'll see you tonight. the name of the band by the way is the the alive that's the name alive so it's kind of i don't know if it's it's not exactly you know i mean if the name uh if the name was uh jeremy spoke in class today right i think that'd be a clear indicator of what the band's about but anyway

this is also this is such a this is me going back to time zone talk here which i apologize for or reminiscent of that there's another thing that might be bunk journalism it's small in this piece But this piece is describing what we're going to probably hear in that YouTube video when you play it. It says, everybody, this is Kai. Kai, this is everybody. Frontman Eddie Vedder introduced the high school student to the crowd in a video shared on the band's YouTube channel. So I click on the band's YouTube channel, and it's something called MFC 172. It says nothing about Pearl Jam on this thing. That is weird.

This is not 13.5 K subscribers, which is big, but not nowhere, not enough for real Pearl.

I'm pretty sure this is a fan page that that the article or the writer, the journalist, and I'm kind of using that loosely. This is a really poorly written piece, I hate to say, because maybe I would someday meet the sometimes I think about that. I get so I get so catty about the way some of these stories are written. And then it's probably like somebody might be. who's just journalism job who's just tap dancing you know just paddling so hard to keep their head above exactly and work how many web pieces for the new york post do you have to and you have no there's no budget for any original reporting so you're just like ripping off i literally included the new york post piece because i wanted to point out that the headline was bunk yeah but then the chronicle piece is actually way better because the kid is from the bay area and the chronicle still has you know um resources for journalists to do journalism metalism yeah so anyway my point is

they link to what they call the band's web uh youtube page which is clearly not the band's youtube page i while you were talking i was like what is going on here what is mfc is that like some sort of like deep pearl jam reference you have to be a real jammer to understand it no i think it's just some fan who like i don't think they call you know you know it's funny they most certainly do call them they call themselves jammers oh certainly yeah i think that their

i think their fan club is called the 10 club or something do you know that oh that makes sense the the album that launched it all but that's kind of funny considering our fan base i think that there's like i think it's called there's something where 10 is involved there it is in

in the naming of their fan club right yep 10 club i didn't know this but i'm just looking it up right

now i'm on their how many people do you think got into tbtl thinking they were getting into pearl

how much of a of an opportunity do you see this like maybe we team up with the 10 club

10s jamming with 10s anyway i have to say this uh we've talked about so this is this is kai now he's taking his place on the stage eddie vetter is taking a sip of something which i'm i'm really obsessed with knowing how much alcohol or how much whatever people that are doing a hard job like fronting Pearl Jam can consume and still have it be in an okay range for a performance. Now, I can't tell if this thing Eddie Vedder is swigging is Martinelli's, if it's just like bottled water, if it's a beer, if it's champagne. I think it's champagne, actually. No, you know what? It might be a... What's the Perrier? It might be a Perrier. Although that raises the question, bubble water? Is that good? I mean, is that good for the voice, for the throat, when you're fronting Pearl Jam?

You know, I would assume that he's probably not drinking because of his age as well. Like, I feel like when you're a young rocker, and Pearl Jam's always been, like, kind of very much into, like, kind of, I mean, they were rockers, but they were also into social responsibility and fighting Ticketmaster. And, you know, like, they've always carved their own path. They weren't ever just like, we're going to get up here, we're going to drink. They weren't Van Halen. yeah exactly um so it but also they're of an age now where they probably realize like oh this is a business like we are yeah performing and people are having a good time and there's rock and roll

you mean why i will be only lightly if at all consuming alcohol next week right because i've already thought about that i was like man we are going to be busy i cannot be hung over going from

yeah the mornings to the to the evening things but um i did find an article here from 2013 from rolling stone it looks like an interview with eddie vetter and it says eddie vetter is really trying to take better care of himself quote i quit drinking and smoking all the time he says with a laugh i'm currently not drinking because it's 11 o'clock in the morning all right he's got a decent

sense of humor i don't think i realized that i know i mean i i everything i've ever heard about eddie vetter is that he's a pretty lovely human being one of the things i love is that he's a huge white socks or sorry a cubs fan boy that was i could not have said the more opposite team He's a huge Red Sox I mean Yankees fan

He's a huge White Cubs fan

Yes The old pale hose But no There's that tradition at the Cubs games Of somebody leading take me out to the ball game I think Harry Carey kind of started that Like somebody famous Sings take me out to the ball game And if there's no one famous Harry Carey would do it But anyway Eddie Vedder doing that was very charming And humanizing because he was so pumped about it

And then Bill Murray did the real cringy, or the one that I thought was cringy, but I think maybe I was out of step with pop culture on that one. Didn't he do it during the series in Cleveland?

With the Guardians?

Bill Murray, yeah.

Maybe. I don't remember that particular event. But, okay, this is Eddie Vedder. He's taking a swig of something that is age-appropriate. He's introducing time. Now, this is actually very nice of Eddie Vedder. He brings Kai out, and then he tells Kai, just take a moment. Kai is now sitting behind the drums, and Eddie Vedder is telling him, settle in, breathe. Eddie Vedder is kind of vamping for this kid. He's buying him some time, which is very nice. That's cool. I would physically not be able—I mean, I can't do this because I can't play the drums. But I mean, I would physically—

Not be able to do the act, even if I knew how to do it, because of my nerves at this point.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I would go weak in every part of my body. We were swapping stories the other day. I mean, we were, well, we were probably around this kid's age, maybe even slightly older. The very first times you and I found ourselves actually behind a live microphone on live radio.

And for mine, I was like pressing one button and talking and talking.

And I was in turns out I had the wrong microphone turned on anyway. But I remember the 10, 15 seconds I had to say that, like, we're having technical problems. We're having technical times, here's more classical music Or whatever I had to say I'm going to use a phrase here that my uncle likes to use My apologies, it's grotesque But I was shaking like a dog-shitting peach pitch Like I could not control my body I was shaking so hard Can you imagine trying to play drums like that?

No, I can't It's so physical But that's part of what's kind of impressive Everybody, this is Kai

Kai, this is everybody

Yeah, the official Pearl Jam website, apparently, Andrew, is someone on a shaky iPhone. That's the camera person that they were able to get. They were like, should we film this professionally? No, let's have a guy filming it on his iPhone through clouds of marijuana smoke. So this is... And it sounds good, too, because it's from an iPhone. This is the part I don't understand about playing drums. How do you remember what the beats are when and when to hit the... This just speaks to my complete and total blind spot when it comes to that instrument. But I don't understand how drummers remember what the rhythm is at each point in the song and when the tempo changes are and when it's like cymbals, cymbals, now it's the bass drum, now it's the hi-hat, you know?

And you, like, I'm not pretending like I understand it because I don't. I don't have a musical bone in my body. But you think that with something that's more like the melody or the melodic instruments, like it's easier to remember than just the rhythm section because there's less. I think they're both hard to remember.

They would both be super hard to remember for me. But the drum seems particularly like, you know, I mean this. So they get to the end of the song. Let me see. I'll just end this like I know this audio is terrible. Sorry. and the song is winding down this is also a Pearl Jam song I've never heard yeah me too and the kid just like knows exactly when the song ends I know that sounds really dumb to say but it's like he just and I don't think he really knew or he was not that familiar with this song before he said he just listened to it a million times and then did that audition but like the fact that your body and brain would remember each beat and again when it's like hitting this drum versus this drum or this symbol versus that symbol or like even the ending i guess the ending is really just it has to do with you know what how many bars there are in a song like you probably that part you kind of know instinctively we're gonna go this this number of times because this is this stuff is kind of you know that's a formula but just the fact that he and again that audio was really horrible because it's from the official pearl jam page oh by the way 218 000 views nothing not even a little bit close to that

other youtube video that we played earlier yeah mike tyson the punch out speed run yeah dominating

the official pearl jam youtube well frankly better sound of the video game anyway uh i thought i the part of that story that fascinated me really was more this guy this kai um just kind of like realizing there was an opportunity and hitting up eddie vetter's daughter to be like could you this again i don't know how to drum and i was nowhere near as charming as this young person appears to be at this age but that's the kind of move i would have pulled if i would have like if i would have had an in with anyone like if the if i would have known detlef schrempf's daughter And the Sonics were like, we're looking for a six foot one rangey to guard who really can't hit consistently from the NBA three point line. I'd be like, hey, could you like ask your dad if I could maybe try out like that was very much my personality and remains, I guess, my personality. And I think it's interesting how this kid sort of found.

his way onto that stage i um am in a bit of a pickle here because i would love to name the show today get a load of this kai um just based on that little you just word play that you well you said this kai which i thought was funny but there's so much weird energy around you and kai rizdal these days and with the twitter stuff going on do you think that about it but we are a remora

that just tags along with Kai Rizdahl's immense fame. And when he wants to mildly scold me on Twitter, I will take it because it serves the greater good, which is TBTL.

So you don't think that this creates any weirdness if we name the show Get a Load of This Kai? No. Because Kai Rizdahl's probably not even, like, really looking at the show titles of our episodes. No, if I tweeted it and I added him, maybe.

Don't do that, yeah. I won't do that. No, but if he were to become upset by it and then tweet at us, it would only serve to actually drive some traffic.

Yeah, in fact, you're right. We should go harder on him.

Yeah.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man, it's not from a female.

All right. Email or V-mail. Wow, we're at 92 minutes, my friend.

No, I have some things I really want to share with you, though. By the way, once you gave me permission to name it, get a load of this, Kai, I was literally just typing the words made me laugh. I think that's a great title. All right.

Now, if we use a picture of Kai instead of the Kai playing the drums, that would be really funny. Then we'd be really trolling him.

This isn't about you, Kai. It's not. Okay. This 1118 already. I know. We got to get going. I'm looking at my to-do list.

I'm supposed to be checking out something called South Pacific Redwood right now at Hardwood Warehouse in Tigard, Oregon. What is all of that? It's for a project at this house.

Oh, I see. I see. Gotcha. Okay. I'm going to play at least this one for you because we're not going to have time for a lot of more voicemails because we have Blurs days tomorrow. Then we're taking calls during the TB Telethon. So I don't know. But I definitely have some things I want to share with you. Let me share with you this one. This is from Tan Ying in, I think, Pittsburgh, somewhere in Pennsylvania, I think.

She had the garbage surveillance one time, if I remember right. Oh, right.

Yeah. And also, this was inspired by-

Oh, no, dog surveillance? Dog poop surveillance. I don't remember the details on this. Maybe it got to garbage. Maybe it was- I think she had a security camera on her front porch that- Something having to do with someone throwing a bag of dog poop into her garbage.

Well, this is not about dogs. This is about lizards, which came up on the show the other day, I think because you were talking about having bubbles, your kitten on your shoulder when you ran downstairs for something. And that started me thinking about, you know, the people who walk around with lizards on their shoulder, which is everybody's right to do. But that reminded Tanying of this.

Hi, Luke and Andrew. This is Tanying from Pittsburgh. a few episodes back you guys were talking about having a pet reptile or a pet lizard and you guys were there was a moment where you wondered oh what kind of lizard would it be having it perched on your shoulder it just reminded me of my husband's story of when he was in college and I guess everybody was moving out of the dorms one day and somebody was trying to get rid of their pet iguana um i don't know i don't think anybody knows how they got the pet iguana but um my husband was the only uh idiot stupid enough to to say hey i'll take the pet iguana because he imagined it as more like a dog this like a friendly little guy who would like follow you around the house and be your animal companion so um he took the thing home in a box and it basically lived in the curtains of the house. It climbed into the curtains and just stayed there for most of the day. And then it would come down maybe once or twice a day and use the litter box for the cats. So it was really low maintenance. That's good, yeah. One day it climbed down while his grandmother was sitting on the couch and sort of just creeped over to her. and she turns around and there was this iguana kind of looking at her in the face. You can imagine the reaction she had to that. Basically, they had this weird iguana in their house for a while and until one day it sort of jumped off the deck for some reason and fell to its death.

um so uh that story and stories like that has made me very vigilant about ever letting my kids bring random pets into the house oh succeeding so far so fingers crossed that it continues to

be this way anyway thanks guys power out that is a moment that i it's very cinematic just Just picturing a grandma sitting in the maybe an easy chair, maybe reading a book and then just like suddenly looking over and seeing that somebody is reading the book with you and it's a lizard.

Now, I'm sure we're going to have some people who have, you know, lizards that they love and think have real personality. And I'd be curious to get that feedback. But I do feel like there are sort of some animals that are wired for domesticity and being pets, and there are some that are probably not. And it feels to me like the lizards and the snakes of the world—I guess I'm just talking reptiles now—are, you know, probably—they're not—it doesn't seem like they're that into the lifestyle of, like, living in, say, this apartment.

the thing that i was surprised about on this was maybe i was really wrong about this i figured a lizard especially okay so you see those people they have lizards on their shoulder so they're very close to their lizards and i'm not i'm not mocking here i'm just saying that like they obviously if you're taking your lizard out with you then you like to be close to it and so you're not going to just have it in a terrarium all the time you probably do when you're at home that lizard probably does have the run of the place i had no idea about the litter box that's

that's impressive that's amazing yeah and actually that ups my interest in having a lizard

yeah um but um you're at now one percent interest um i uh but i'll have a lizard by tuesday i did kind of assume though that when it's time to go to bed or something the lizards probably go into a terrarium or no don't seem cuddly yeah like i would not i mean again this is me i'm a very I'm scared of a lot of different animals Like my sister-in-law used to have I believe a tarantula or two in a terrarium That's normal to be scared of that Yeah, it was some sort of a big fuzzy spider

My sister-in-law used to have a puppy No, tarantulas I think we are generally As humans afraid of

She listens to this show Tell me if I'm wrong about this, Julia I feel like you had some sort of a creature that you had in a terrarium that wasn't like running the house, but I can't remember where you lived at the time, but we were staying at Julia's house, and I remember just thinking like that animal is in this house, and I just remember being creeped out by it even though it was in a terrarium. So if I had a lizard, if I was staying somewhere where somebody had a lizard, do you think that the lizard just wanders around at night?

What's the status of the lizard when the sun goes down?

Yeah, is there a chance that I'm waking up next to a lizard? Like, I don't want to wake up next to a lizard.

Also, how hurt are you going to be if Julia doesn't get back to you, meaning she doesn't make it this far into the show?

Oh, I mean, what are we at? Like an hour 40 now or something? That's fine.

We're about to, yeah. My timer only goes up to, it's at 99.20 right now.

And that's where it stopped? That's as far as it goes?

No, then it turns over to zeros. Oh, I see. Which I think means an hour and a half or something. Anyway. Oh, wait. How do minutes work? I guess 120. It doesn't go to 120. It doesn't have enough spots for 120. Oh, I see. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay, you said you wanted to kind of like sort of clear the deck.

I mean, do we have time? I'm sure if we have time for another one, I'll do another one. Okay, yeah, because this is related to something that I was talking about.

She's somewhere in this. Okay, you go. I'm surprised she hasn't come in here and harassed me, which means she's somewhere doing something she's not supposed to.

I told a long story the other day about a home improvement project that I accidentally found myself in when we ran the dishwasher and water started pouring out of this little what I called like it looks like a little silver robot head that is attached to my sink to the like the top of my sink we it's actually we now know it's called an air gap or an air vent and water is not supposed to pour out of it but when I turned on the dishwasher for the first time and water started pouring out of this thing it's like Genevieve was able to like spin these two holes around on it and it started pouring water into the sink and for a split second in my panic I thought oh maybe this is like some crude way that this dishwasher actually is supposed to empty it's supposed to empty into the sink turns out that was definitely not the case it had been installed wrong and we fixed it but it made me feel good first of all I got so many emails and notes from people who said I'm listening to your story I haven't heard exactly where it goes yet but I know where it goes because I had the same exact thing happen when I installed a dishwasher and a garbage disposal. Like, there's this process where you have to tap out this little plastic blocker thing. Otherwise, water is going to go all over the place. So it turns out that was kind of a universal experience for a lot of people. Here's a different take on this.

Okay. I'll just get right there. I have to get this off my desk. So last night, I was at my ex-husband's house to celebrate my son's birthday. And a few minutes after I walked in the door, I walk in through the kitchen, and I noticed that there's water spewing out of the robot head next to the faucet. And I say to him, what is going on? And he says, oh, that's just how the dishwasher works. It was destroying the countertop because it was pointed the other way. So I just turned it around. It spews out into the sink. That's how it's always worked. Well, I used to live in this condominium with him, And that is not how it's always worked. And I tried to explain to him that that is not how it worked. So imagine my surprise when I am one day behind on TBTL and there's Andrew with exactly the same problem. And thank you for reminding me of what that thing is called because I said it's air something. I can't remember, but trust me, it's supposed to be air coming out of that, not water. anywho perhaps i will just refer him to this episode of your show okay that was all now i

would say wow this is dorothy in culver city that's dorothy yeah um go to the backstage i bet i know where those condos are oh i bet it's the rain tree condominiums where they filmed the original tarzan and also where jack black's family lived because i once looked at a condo there and the person said this is where jack black's parents used to live this is where jack black grew up Yeah, it used to be a lot. I mean, Culver City is sprawling and there are lots of condos, but it would be funny if it was the Raintree condominium.

Now, my guess is unless Dorothy's ex-husband installed a new garbage disposal himself, this is probably actually a blockage that he has. You know what I mean? Ours was a blockage that was built into the garbage disposal that we had to pound out with a hammer. But if it's old equipment that's been in there for a while and now suddenly or at some point it suddenly started pouring water out, there must be a blockage somewhere in that drain pipe.

Right. Unless, I mean, the follow-up question from Dorothy is, did you have someone put a new disposal in?

Yes, or that would be, yeah, if it's a new disposal.

Because Dorothy lived there.

I almost guarantee it. And it wasn't happening. Yeah, if her ex had it installed since she's moved out, then that would be the issue. So anyway, good stuff there. It was so nice to see so many people being like, you know where your story's going. You need to tap out that plastic blocker thing.

I'm going to. I don't think I don't have the money or the knowledge to do it in the short term. But this house that I'm kind of working on, the plan is to move the kitchen at some point because the kitchen is so small right now. The refrigerator is on the front porch of the house.

Oh, wow. Okay.

Which is, you know, it's good. It's good to feel like you're in college again. Got a couple of couches out there and a refrigerator. Not really, but just a refrigerator. But the idea is to eventually try to move the kitchen to a kind of a more logical place because it's teeny tiny and kind of hidden away from where the people would be hanging out if they were in this house.

So you said move the kitchen. You mean actually totally change where the kitchen is in this house. Totally change where the kitchen is.

That is kind of a biggie. And it turns out I didn't know this, but there is this thing called inflation, which makes everything it's it sounds like it's going to be fun. But what it means is Joe Biden doesn't get reelected. Oh, is that what inflate gates all about? That's exactly what it's about. But anyway, if and when I finally am able to do that and move the kitchen and if and when I put a disposal into the new sink, which will be undermount because, come on, I'm classy. In some kind of island situation I will know now Andrew thanks to you To tap out That little thing that I would 100% Assume is solid For a reason

We don't have to get into this now because we've gone on too long But maybe I can bring a debate from spotless To TBTL one of these days Because I would say if I were putting in a brand new Kitchen right now I would not get a garbage Disposal now I am somebody Now we've been composting for a long time But I do not This garbage disposal, it's a maw in the bottom of the sink that just sucks in small spoons.

I rate my life as B, D, and A, D, before disposal and after disposal. Like, in places that I live that don't have a disposal, my life is not the same. Like, I am a huge fan, and I also think that it's, well, is it environmentally?

like because you're you're basically macerating the food waste and then it's going into the water supply and then it's getting treated i mean maybe that's bad for the environment or maybe that's bad for the impact on the city maybe composting is better in that way i would guess composting

is the best because right now we have um i mean listen it's not as convenient i understand that but right now we use curbside pickup so with this big industrial composting operations that the city is able to tap into you can compost almost everything like bones but you keep that outside um no we just have we have a oh well we have a little tiny cute little bin that is like made for this is a tin it's a little tin doesn't stink no i mean you've been in the house you'd be able to tell me we've had this oh that's true you know the whole time it's like a little tin that is built for this so it's got some holes in the top but then it's got two or three filters that you replace from time to time oh sure i've seen those and it's only in there like i probably take that out every day if not maybe every day and a half or something and so when this little tin fills up next to our um sink and you know me like i've been in people's places where they are not as um careful about meticulous meticulous is the perfect word like i've seen them where they're grubby on the outside i'm just like oh it kind of gives me a bad feeling but i keep this thing clean as hell i polish the top of it every day with glass cleaner like trust me and then i take it out and then yeah the the big compost bin is outside and i throw it there and i take out to the curb And it's kind of cool that all food waste can go in there. But then what I'm really excited about now as a homeowner is Veeves is going to get a little compost bin for our garden. And that stuff is great. We had that in New Hampshire. Now, you can't get that rotating kind. Exactly. Which means we're going to have to be separating out like we're not going to be throwing meat products in there. So we'll still have to use a combination of curbside and then, you know, like for any kind of greens that we're throwing away, eggshells, coffee grounds, all that stuff. It can go in our little personal compost, and then you have this great, rich soil that you can use in your planters and stuff.

That is very cool.

Yeah.

Now, this place that I'm going to be working on, it's on, like, an acre, and it already has some raised beds and other things, so I'm probably going to get into that composting life when I'm there. Yeah, it's fun.

It's fun to see, like, just waste become something valuable, like, just by letting it sit, you know? I mean, it's an amazing process.

Do you have to put worms in there?

I think it helps because they'll go through and they'll kind of eat it and then they kind of just pass right through the worm. They're like little filters, I think.

Wait, what was the voicemail about? Oh, it was about garbage disposals. Yes, and the water flowing out.

You're saying I shouldn't put a garbage – you're making the argument I shouldn't put a garbage disposal in the new kitchen. No, no, I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I would never should on somebody or shouldn't on somebody. I'm just saying that for me – Why are you shooting on my fun idea? I just don't – and again, maybe I've just been in that compost life for so long. But the thing is, I was arguing about this with Hannah, who's also a composter, but she still loves having a garbage disposal because sometimes things just go down there. And she doesn't like cleaning those little metal traps that you would have at the bottom of your sink if you didn't have a disposal, which I don't love either.

But I feel like fruit flies also are more, you know, there's a greater chance of fruit flies, the more kind of like, you know, food waste that is maintained in the kitchen.

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, you're talking about the actual bin. I don't think I mean, my bin is kind of sealed up, so I don't think that attracts it. And also and again, I know that I'm pretty, you know, obsessive about keeping things clean. Like I don't keep like, you know, if I'm if I'm washing out a salad bowl and some little greens end up in a little trap at the bottom of the sink, I'm cleaning that out. I'm not leaving it there for a few hours anyway. So anyway, that's just my process. But I just like I'm sick of turning on the disposal for a second and finding out a tiny little teaspoon was down there or one of our little measuring spoons fell down there. And it doesn't happen all the time. But when it does, it scares the hell out of you. You potentially ruin your it doesn't it's not good for the disposal and it's certainly not good for the spoon.

So I don't know as we've as we just said recently, when this first came up on the show, this disposal fix that you did, there's nothing more terrifying than for any reason reaching into a garbage disposal. Even if you're the only person in the house And you have eyes on the switch There is still something about Putting your hand down there I mean it's like putting your hand into the friggin Sarlacc From Star Trek Is today the day Alright I was able to get one botched Star Wars reference in Which is really what I Get up in the morning for

No hate mail after yesterday's at-at conversation Well maybe people are just time banded

Give them time they'll be at-atting you

don't at-at me bro would have been a great show title

for yesterday I liked what did we go Big Clammy Energy

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