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Well, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of T.B.T.L., the show that just might be too beautiful to live. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. We are here again in Denver on day three of the T.B.T.L.-a-thon, Let the Fun Begin, although this is a morning where things don't feel all that fun after the tragedy in Uvalde, Texas yesterday. We know that a lot of you are hurting, you know, we're hurting, and we're thinking about our listeners and our friends in Texas and our friends who have young children and our friends who just want to live in a place where mass violence is not a regular occurrence. Um, so we're, we're thinking about all of you today, but we also have these microphones and we have this phone line. And so, um, we're going to just kind of, we're going to do our show today and we're going to do what we do, which is take calls and hang out with you and try to make each other laugh and then sort of try to let the fun begin at least a little bit because you know, what else are you going to do at a time like this? So thanks for being with us today also thank you to my friend and the longest running cobra of the show Andrew Walsh who's right over there how you doing man I'm all right I'm doing

all I'm doing all right given the circumstances and you know I've been hearing from a lot of listeners I mean everybody's feeling a lot of feelings today and I realized this morning as I think about things I want to say I can't so excuse me for not yeah but I do know that a lot of our listeners are feeling things too and um it's been nice to see uh people reaching out to us and saying hey be silly today if you want to be silly you know um last night we had some silliness planned um yeah yeah tbtl game night god i'm sorry i i man i broke fast on that one okay let's come on um yeah we had some a okay

i think i think i think what you're feeling andrew is is what um is what a lot of the folks out there are feeling um and so i don't think it's anything to feel embarrassed or ashamed of you know if we get emotional today i think that's i think that's the rational response to what we have all witnessed um uh you know yesterday so it's just funny that i was literally trying to say i can't say anything

because i will choke up and i choked up on saying i can't say anything i will choke up so anyway thanks for your patience with me on that thanks to everybody who's reached out to us and also maybe apologies to people who missed out on the gathering that we had planned last night again we've been doing these tb tale game nights via zoom which are very fun but incredibly silly yes And last night was not a night for silliness, so we postponed. What we've been doing, if you haven't heard, is we've been doing these game nights via Zoom, breaking it down by groups in the country, East Coast Time and then Central Time. And last night we were supposed to gather with a bunch of people in the Central Time Zone, and we ended up postponing that for obvious reasons. And so everybody who was signed up for last night's event, if you want to go to tbtl.net, You can sign up for tonight's event and join the people in the Mountain Time Zone or Thursday's event with the folks in the Pacific Time Zone. And we are going to maybe let the fun begin again, maybe, is a good way of putting that.

I believe the term is let the fun re-begin.

Let the fun re-begin.

Maybe that's the new branding for this week's TV Chalice.

Exactly. And we'll let the silliness maybe creep back in tonight as well. And speaking of silliness, I got this note from Alicia today that said, and this just came in, I think, like 20 minutes ago. Alicia said, hey, it's a hard day, and I imagine it's especially hard to know how to go live on the Internet. I love you guys, and I'll say in advance thank you for whatever you decided to do today and the rest of the week. If you feel like something silly, though, do you feel like something silly? I thought I'd share what comes to mind for me every time you or really anyone mentions the word Denver. Which we've been mentioning a lot because we are, of course, in the Queen City. I'm very proud of that. Do you know why it's called the Queen City? No idea. Me neither. I don't know why I asked. So this is, I'm not going to tell you what this song is that Alicia sent it. I will tell you it's a theme song to a show that I was unfamiliar with. And I'm interested to know if you're familiar with this, Lou. All right. I've got to stop the TVTL music here.

I want the listeners to know and the people watching on YouTube, I am averting my gaze from Andrew's computer. Yes, always do that, by the way. I told you, keep your eyes on your own work. But I'm also doing it so that I'm not cheating. If I get this right, much like last night with John, our friend John Sklaroff from the APM team, I got Moise Alou correct as the person who Steve Bartman deprived of an out. Wow. And the victory dance that I did was regrettable. By the way, hi, John. hey Luke how's it going good thanks for being here man

thanks for coming out here guys

I want to do a similar victory dance if I get this right but the only way it works is if I don't

know what you're going to play well I do think that it'll they will say the name of the show in this it's a TV show theme song I'm just curious if you're familiar with this TV show because I certainly wasn't and I don't know John you're a bit younger than us so I'd be interested to know if this ever hit your radar let's take a listen to this this is the silly song that Alicia sent in every time we say the word Denver she hears this in her head.

What? All right. So the dinosaur is named Denver. So there's a dinosaur.

Oh, my gosh. And he rocks. He rocks. This is a show that ran from 1988 to 1990, I think, called, believe it or not, Denver, the Last Dinosaur. I was unfamiliar with this.

How did this dinosaur show miss my radar?

Escape your radar?

Because in the 80s, that would have been prime time for me to sneak over to someone's house and watch cartoons.

And like you said, this is the raddest of dinosaurs. He skateboards, he's got a flying V electric guitar That sometimes electricity apparently comes out of So you were unfamiliar, John, I assume And this is way before your time

Yeah, so I was born in 85 So I don't think that's something It feels very 80s and I love that But I have, no, never heard that

What was like a big formative cartoon for you? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Oh, okay, so that's still kind of the era, right? Yeah, a little after that Were they big in the maybe mid-90s?

Late 80s, early 90s. Yeah, that and the X-Men cartoon from the 90s. Obviously, you guys know I know a little bit about Marvel.

Oh, God. How long did that take to come up? Please. Seven minutes into the program. I is who I is. Did you happen to see that TV story that I did? Not yet.

Oh, that's done? That's aired? Yeah, it's aired.

And I kind of feel like I don't want you to, John, because you are such a sort of expert on all things Marvel that I'm sure you'll be throwing your laptop or whatever it is you're watching it on. It was a story I did about this guy, Douglas Walk, who wrote this book called All of the Marvels. He tried to read, and he did really read sort of like up to maybe a year or two ago, every single Marvel comic ever written. And the thing that's interesting, and you know this, John, but I didn't before the story, is that theoretically it's all connected now. So if something happens in one comic, like as I said in the story, it's like if the Hulk stubs his toe, you know it could end up affecting a captain america or something right that's the new

butterfly effect if the hulk stubs his tongue yes that's exactly right exactly i want to give

you a little bit of information on uh denver the last dinosaur apparently and i guess i never thought about this before it um it it it came well first of all it revolved according to wikipedia around the adventures of denver the eponymous dinosaur who was released from his egg by a group of California teens. Backing up here. It says at the show, the dinosaur hatches from a petrified egg in modern times and is befriended by this group of teenagers. Okay. And it says that this was part of the dinosaur boom after the Land Before Time movie. Oh my gosh. Land Before Time. That's not even

in my wheelhouse either. You will not see a cuter dinosaur. Littlefoot. Littlefoot. So you are on that Land Before Time. That is something that was,

I think there were seven Land Before Time movies or something in that ballpark. Yes. That was prime Young John TV movie cartoons.

Gotcha. Well, apparently this is also like this show was about kind of it was an educational show focusing on conservation, ecology, and greed. You can see how that would end up like kind of playing into this idea of an extinct species.

Speaking of childhood cartoons, there is a film out, a reboot of the Chippendale Rescue Rangers. There is? That's getting kind of a lot of love, and I'm considering going to it as a 46-year-old middle-aged dad type because I loved Chippendale Rescue Rangers when I was a kid. That was such a cool cartoon.

That is the cartoon where in the beginning, are they all in a mine cart at one point going down a—

Well, DuckTales involves a mine cart, but Chippendale Rescue Rangers, they're like these two chipmunks. One of them has a leather jacket on. They fly airplanes. One has a fedora, too. I don't know if that's Chip or Dale, but I just remember loving that cartoon, and maybe it's a nostalgia thing, but the last time I went and saw a cartoon, or a movie that was a cartoon in the theater, it was Enter the Spider-Verse.

Oh, yeah, that was great.

That was so good. Did you see that, John?

yes did i see all right did i see the oscar-winning marvel cartoon did you get a credit in that film john yeah it's it's after the credits rolls the post-cred scene actually they personally thank

me you're eating falafel with uh iron man yeah i was but i was seriously so blown away by that film and i just heard from because i you know again i don't tend to see cartoons i'm not an expert on any of the mcu stuff but i just i was like on a lark one day i was like all right i'll go check this out and it was like one of the best movies i saw that entire year was incredible yeah

i kind of went i mean i guess i probably would have seen it anyway but i remember kind of seeing it on your recommendation because you did you you didn't see it twice you only saw it the one time just once yeah i think i wanted to go back and see it again because there is kind of a lot going

on with that certainly yeah so um i made a questionable decision to order a pizza at about i think it was around my moise aloo victory dance time i had decided to door dash a pizza over here because i was really hungry and um well first of all the weird thing was because of the way this airbnb is situated um the neighbor across the alley was very sus of our pizza delivery guy the pizza delivery guy did a move that i haven't really experienced before he was driving some kind of muscle car and he just did was that the loudest knock yeah you've ever it was like an fbi raid was happening that was a cop knock yeah seriously i mean i guess it's because probably if they don't knock loud they don't know where in the building we are etc and it's a metal door

Again, we're in a converted warehouse loft space, and this is the back alley door. Do you guys want the address?

I mean, honestly, we have really narrowed it down for people.

But anyway, so when somebody knocks, it's like, boom, boom, boom.

It was terrifying, and then I opened the door, and the guy is not out of the car. He's in the car. It's idling, this big muscle car, and the pizza is just sitting on the step of the Airbnb. And then coming over the fence is the neighbor across the alley who's yelling something at the delivery driver. And then the delivery dryer just peels out And I'm like what am I witnessing here

Did you say the neighbor too kind of had like a Russian accent Or something along those lines

It sounded a bit Eastern European

Yeah it's funny I almost picture like a character in a video game Sort of the Russian neighbor whose head pops up over the fence To yell at you kids in the alleyway or something

Well I mean it was like he was really mad about something And I just kind of looked at him like What and he goes I won't do the accent

He was like

Like, people dump stuff in this alley all the time. And then he pointed to where there was a random tennis shoe and a big mound of, like, or a big tied-up thing of lawn clippings. So somebody, which I thought, for some reason, was part of the Airbnb, like, that's where the guy stores his lawn clippings, even though there's no lawn associated with this building.

Well, it said in the binder, do not bring your lawn clippings into our house. Do you like how there are no lawn clippings in here?

We do, too. I really had this thought. So basically what happened was the neighbor thought he was busting someone, dumping more crap in the alley. The pizza driver was just like, deuces, I'm out of here. Just like laid rubber. But I did have the thought later, Andrew, that we could be in trouble with the guy who owns this place because he's very persnickety. And I don't want him to think that we dumped. Oh, we brought those lawn clippings from, you know, Portland.

He's going to take him to a lab. He's like, I think these are Seattle lawn clippings. No, I don't think that would be the case Because clearly if this is an ongoing issue With the neighbors and the neighborhood And I really love this neighborhood, by the way We were talking about that yesterday, all three of us This is a really cool area that sort of seems like It's kind of in a transitional phase Yeah, didn't you have a, by the way, speaking of pizza

Cowabunga dude

Thank you, and also with you

And also with you, didn't you have a dream John, as a ninja turtle head Of sometime using a katana To cut up a pizza

Oh, absolutely

anytime uh yeah i figured adult life was going to be a lot more katana pizza work for me i figured

adult life would be pizza about six days a week and then for whatever reason it hasn't worked out

that way and i'm like five it's because you're married yeah let me tell you what divorced living on your own it's pizza o'clock whenever you want it to be it's one of the few silver linings how

is your life coaching business going by the way up and down no but what happened to you you started

telling john and i a pizza related story yesterday when we were walking to dinner and i i think i just said don't even tell me the end i wanted i wanted to hear it on the air what happened real

cliffhanger pizza story it was for me um so i have for the past i i want to say 10 or 15 years lived in a uh pizza hut desert or various pizza hut deserts everywhere i've lived both in seattle and la i did not live in a pizza hut delivery zone which is a tragedy um obviously and it's something that uh vives and i talk about quite a bit about how we are um you know just like we just always get the fuzzy end of the lollipop in life like we can't order a sure pizza hut pizza and have it delivered to our home like we're getting by we're we're getting by but like that's just a reality and i think it's one of the things that has made me such a kind of a tough character yes having to deal with this through adversity through adversity Through not being able to order a stuffed crust pizza anytime you want. Thank you. You know, iron sharpens iron, et cetera.

I loved Pizza Hut pizza when I was growing up. I mean, we've talked about this on the show before. I mean, I loved going to Pizza Hut. The whole Book It program was ingenious. I think our whole generation is just like we—

Questionable decision-making to reward children with a pizza for reading, but it sure worked.

Yeah, well, it was the 80s. We're lucky they didn't give us a pack of cigarettes. but uh i mean honestly i finish a book now and i kind of i get hungry my stomach growls um but anyway i have not had much pizza hut pizza at all in my adult life and so um genevieve and i were on a road trip uh i think last january maybe two januaries ago and on the road trip we realized that we were staying in a place where we could get a pizza hut pizza delivered and that was the first one i'd had in a really really long time we made the mistake of getting the stuffed crust by the mistake well i like stuffed crust pizza don't make no junk a couple of hot don't make no junk show title all right i'm writing it down um but uh the thing is when you haven't had pizza hut pizza in a really really really long time you kind of want the pure experience of it and i think we would have just been happier on that first that first outing to just go with the pan crust which is really good and then maybe you can then start layering more complications like stuffed crust

Once you become more experienced in the Pizza Hut eating experience, once your body readjusts to how much butter, et cetera, is in a Pizza Hut. By the way, I'm getting hungry. There's pizza in the kitchen, and I'm getting hungry for Pizza Hut pizza.

If you can go get some. Trust me, I'm not even ramping up yet. Anyway, so that was a while back in January when Genevieve and I did that. But I arrived in Grand Junction, Colorado on my road trip out here a few days ago. And I had a long, long day of driving, but I had gotten up at a decent hour. So I was really excited that I rolled into Grand Junction at a good time where I could have a nice little pizza party in my hotel room.

I believe you're referring to this for the first couple of days as hotel party.

Hotel party.

Sounds a little more scandalous than what ended up happening. That sounds like maybe you've got some visitors. There's some champagne. It's an after. It's like things are popping off. But this was you, a Pizza Hut pizza and a six pack of Miller Lite. Is that what a hotel party looks like?

Yeah, exactly. It was me, a pizza, and six of my closest friends.

And re-watching No Country for Old Men.

That's true, because how do you party? Hey, it's a pizza party.

Cowabunga, dude. Cowabunga, friendo.

Call it friendo. But, yeah, so anyway, I had a nice relaxing night, and so I ended up ordering a Pizza Hut pizza. I ended up picking it up. I've never, except for this one time with Genevieve, I've never had a pizza delivered to a hotel, Which I know that's a big move for you But I'm not there yet I'm still too nervous Like it just seems complicated

It is wild if you look at my Either Amazon or DoorDash history I have sent food to like the Beverly Hilton in LA While I've been in Portland Because I just forget to like re-enter And you know some of these chains It's like okay cool Subway you know please deliver this And then they'll be like We're having trouble you know Completing your order or getting it to you And I'm like what's the problem And they're like are you in Los Angeles right now

The hotel must be like that guy's Pranking us again

I have this clamp That I forgot to bring from home That holds up my microphone arm One of these is sitting At my hotel in Los Angeles

But you forgot to bring it

No it got there late I'm sort of the proud owner of two of these clamps One at the hotel If anyone is near the hotel June in kind of the Westchester, Manchester area of Los Angeles. Free clamp.

Just go to the front desk. Just go to the front desk.

Say you're Luke Burbank. Say, there's an Amazon package for me.

Do it in that voice. Yes.

There's an Amazon package for me. I'm Luke Burbank. And they'll probably give it to you and I guess, you know, enjoy this clamp.

So anyway, so I did get the pizza pizza. I picked it up. It was a meat lover's pizza, not what you would have gotten, but that was something that I used to get a lot as a kid.

What did I say last night? I wanted an impossible wacky.

what is this sandwich john so uh the deli that uh my high school friends i would go to it's dante's not dante's dante's two specifically and where in new york yorktown heights in westchester county new york that's where i'm from and uh and a wacky was an egg sandwich with home fries ham bacon and cheese and then if you wanted to get real wild you get a super wacky which includes sausage and it was like you know hung over on a saturday morning or you're skipping your 10 o'clock

class that's a thing we would go get and and that i think maybe andrew you said like well i don't think you would like that luke and i was like no don't don't get me wrong i love that stuff i am a meat lover but i just don't eat

And then I said, yeah, I'm just not a meat eater, but I was like, or generally, although I do occasionally have some meat, but I was like, is there an impossible wacky?

Anyway. Impossible wacky is a great idea. I bet you Denver, the last dinosaur, would appreciate your vegetarian ways, by the way. Don't you feel like Denver is probably not a meat eating, it's not a carnivorous dinosaur, right? No, that would be a totally different show.

Denver, the T-Rex, just absolutely devastating the town of San Mateo, California. No, that is actually a really funny idea. Like, kids find a dinosaur, but it's not like a... What would be a brachiosaurus? That's the one. Would be a very kind of like friendly herbivore. Right, right, right. But instead, they get the velociraptor.

Clever girl. They raise it, and then one day it just slaughters them. Anyway. So this story, I don't even know if there's a payoff for this, but the point is I had this nice little hotel party, pizza party, whatever you want to call it, And then the next day I woke up and I had half a pizza left. By the way, I was able to refrigerate it overnight. Yeah.

I admire your self-control. I don't think – I mean, you saw what I did to that large pizza last night, which also was the most bizarre order. Somehow when I was trying to do it through DoorDash, it wouldn't let you just go like, I'd like a pizza with cheese and olives on it. It kept making me – it was called like a 50-50. And so what I was trying to do was extra cheese and olives. And what happened was half of the pizza had four, it had extra, extra cheese. And then one side had olives and no cheese, which is a totally bizarre thing. And I still ate 90% of the pizza and some garlic knots.

Well, yeah, you're right. Like, I kind of figured I haven't had this in so long. I'm going to eat the whole thing. But I guess in the moment I didn't. I ate about half of a medium meat lover's pizza. And there was a refrigerator in the hotel room, so I refrigerated it overnight. And then the next morning I woke up. And first of all, I think this is key to the story, too. I kind of had heartburn. I kind of had, I don't know if it was like a hangover from the Miller Lights, but I also sort of had a Pizza Hut hangover, I feel like, a little bit. I just kind of felt like garbage as one might after this date night with myself. And am I making it better or worse? That's worse. That's worse. Absolutely worse. I didn't ask you, John. But anyway, and I had all my equipment with me, of course, which is why I did the road trip instead of flying. So it's kind of an ordeal for me to check in and out of hotels. It's about three trips for me to bring all of my bags and stuff out to the car. I'm not leaving my equipment out in the car overnight. And during my three trips in and out as I'm unloading my hotel room and getting on the road again, I keep going back and forth as to whether or not I get the pizza out of the fridge and I take it with me for my next leg of the road trip because I know I'm going to be hungry at some point on the road and I'm going to stop to get a breakfast sandwich or a lunch or something at some point. And, I mean, Luke, I mean, this just should not have been a conundrum. Take the pizza or don't. Like, I think I literally said out loud to myself one time, I'll bet you if there was a security camera, there is somewhere video of me saying, you're an adult. You can just buy another pizza. But, like, I also was kind of like, but I had, there was something still, like, kind of exotic or very special about a Pizza Hut pizza to me.

But also part of the fun of road tripping is all of the food adventures. So it's like just having the pizza from the night before means you can't have the famous bratwurst at that roadside stand somewhere in Weezer, Idaho.

Right, exactly. Or even just for me, like I had a McDonald's McGriddle the morning before, and I don't have those all that often. And that was wonderful. You know what I mean? So you can just like kind of write yourself a blank check when you're eating on the road like that. But I went back and forth. I took it out of the refrigerator, and I put it back so many times, and then finally decided.

You literally removed it from the refrigerator. Swear to God. Put it back in the refrigerator.

Because keep in mind, and I'm also, like I just have heartburn too. And that's like, I keep on thinking like, I want this pizza, but I'm kind of like, but I know I can still feel the pizza in my chest. Right. And I'm kind of like, and I'm not hungry right now. So am I going to take this? I only had a four hour drive before I got to Denver that day. And I'm like, am I going to take this goddamn Pizza Hut pizza, put it on the passenger seat next to me where it's going to be baking in the sun for maybe potentially.

That's like heating it back up in the oven. That's the ideal.

Just like this tepid sort of reheating in the passenger seat of a rented Mitsubishi Mirage. So that like two hours into the last leg of my trip, maybe I'll take out this coagulated pizza and eat it. And so I was like, no, come on. You're an adult, Andrew. So I put it back in the fridge. And then the very last trip, I go up to get my last bag. I'm like, well, I'll just take the goddamn pizza. If you don't want it, you can throw it away on the road, right? Like I figured, why not? Sure. So now pizza is my co-pilot. with it's sitting there on the passenger seat it's almost like take the wheel pizza take the wheel it feels a little bit like an episode of like uh bob's burger sort of you know how bob will often talk to food yes i can i just was having i felt like i was so engaged in a relationship with a troubled relationship with this pizza I can't wait. I kept looking at it, and I don't know if you're like this, too. Once I know that there is food there, I'm thinking about eating it even before I'm hungry, sort of. In other words, if I didn't have this pizza in the passenger side seat, I probably would have gone further on my trip before stopping for food. But there was this idea that this pizza just kept saying, don't you want some pizza? A little bit of pizza. A little hair of the pizza.

I just see this box opening a little bit, like in a commercial.

Yep, exactly. So I probably made it, I don't know, 10 minutes out of town before I started eating the pizza. It wasn't 10 minutes. I probably gave myself maybe 30 minutes, but I remember I was in a mountainous area kind of going around the church. Oh, my God. And I'm just like, that's it. I got to eat this pizza now. And I even said to myself, but are you doing it because you're hungry or because you're fascinated with this idea of you have a meat lover's pizza next to you and you need to take advantage of it? And it was definitely the latter. I ended up eating – so it was like four pieces in there.

You've really come a long way, my friend. I mean, maybe it's because this was a rental. But, you know, you grew up in a family where your dad would not let you eat in the car. You guys didn't do drive-thrus. You generally don't do that in your normal life. And here you are just absolutely slamming. You know at least one sausage rolled off of that pizza and is under the seat in that mirage. I'm pretty careful. There is no way that all that sausage stayed intact.

I'm actually going to challenge you on that. First of all, I'm very careful. I'm meticulous. And also a next day pizza is coagulated enough. So there's a pretty stable situation. You know what I mean? All of the toppings are pretty secure.

I think the question, though, Luke, about that is, is it ground sausage or is it sausage slices? Like that to me is the thing. It's meat lovers. It was everything.

Pizza Hut, it's those little. But Pizza Hut, I assume anyway, it's still those little sausage balls.

Yeah, yeah. Like gravel. We call it sausage gravel in the business. Wow. It's good for the gizzard.

We would like to welcome new sponsor, Pizza Hut, between the coagulation and the gravel sausage.

So I did eat two pieces. I'm still doing some soul searching. I don't know if I made the right decision because I ate them before I was hungry. I ate them because they were sitting there next to me talking to me. I ate them because I was a little bit bored, and I was fascinated by the idea of having a meat lover's pizza. But I ate two of the pieces, and then I threw the rest away. I kind of just – I told you this on the show before, and it's something that lives with me. is my friend Jessica, I think it was maybe her grandfather or uncle who told her at one point, like, if you're eating a meal, right, and then you get full, and then you keep eating, he said, you're now eating garbage. You're eating food that is not for you anymore. You're just eating garbage. And I don't think that way if I'm having a nice meal and I'm hungry, but I'm no longer super hungry, but I'm enjoying the experience. That doesn't feel garbage-y to me. This felt garbage-y to me, you know?

I had a period of time, I'm definitely not in this mode, But where I was being very careful about what I was eating And I had heard about I think it was Hillary Duff Had a policy Where when she was full Let's say she was having a burger and fries She would then dump her water out on what was left on her plate And I did that I literally did that for like a year Which the waitstaff loved

You slopped them up Sloppy steaks

White teas You call that slicked back This is slicked back

five people know what we're talking about right now season three if i think you should leave

yes out in the fall maybe i'm nervous about that i mean season two that's up that's overstating i'm not nervous about it but i just feel like i'm arriving at a point addy and i were talking about this the other day like we're talking about the netflix show i think you should leave which is so so funny yes it's so great but there is now a kind of like a sort of a predictable arc Of an I think you should leave sketch And it is a person, usually Tim Robinson Taking a situation Way too seriously And then eventually Weirdly winning people over That's kind of what happens And it's still super funny to me But I feel like the first season was amazing Second season did have Dan Flashes

$150 out the door Now it's been a while since I watched each season But I remember Feeling after watching season 2 that I felt like I liked season two even more than season one. Maybe it was just recency bias, but I was really impressed with season two too. It was a little bit, maybe it was even slightly weirder. I don't know. Sure.

No, I mean, I definitely thought season two was very funny and I was impressed at how many, Carl Havoc in the mall, the guy who's doing the prank show.

I mean, I've never seen a show become an instant classic. I mean, things were already memefied. and part of the culture before I'd even seen the skits. And I think I watched her sketches, or the show, I should say. You don't say skits, right? No, you don't. Cool, cool, what did they say? Beautiful, beautiful girls say sketches. Okay. That's right. Beautiful, gorgeous girls. Gorgeous, gorgeous girls. Say sketches, not skits. But anyway, yeah. So anyway, I'm looking forward to season three of that. I don't know what we're talking about. So I ate half the garbage pizza, and then I threw away the rest of the garbage pizza. I did want to say I got one thing. You know, I'm not a big candy man. And when I say that, I mean I don't sell drugs. But also, I don't eat tons of candy. Yes. Sorry, kids. But I was in love. You know, the truck stop kind of thing?

I thought you met someone.

I was in love with these gummy worms. I just saw a package of just Love's brand, kind of generic travel snacks, gummy worms.

I'm surprised gummy isn't trademarked.

I'm going to eat one of these right now when I'm done talking. Ooh, boy, these are hard now. I'm not going to eat one now. That's actually better. I like it when they— Really?

Yeah, like a Swedish fish or something, when it kind of gets a little bit of a solidness to it.

Yeah. I do think day two gummy worms are good. day seven or whatever we're on day five not so great but there was something about um the color of those seeing them in the bag and i was just like i don't again don't know the last time i've had a gummy worm but i was compelled and i gotta say that was a great travel snack as you see i

ate about half the bag there luke yeah i mean the thing that i don't love about about any kind of gummy product is that it basically and the same goes for jello is it basically has horse hooves in it yeah people always say that which i once i knew that i mean it's a i've eaten many

grosser things like i mean that's definitely still true that's i don't even know but i can't

get it out of my head yeah i've never been a huge i mean what else did you get i just chase it with a hot dog instead well exactly i mean i don't know why that bothers me so much when throughout my life i have eaten you know vast quantities of meat that is also the body of some animal

so i don't know why the hoof right like uh gross speaking of you ask me what else i eat of course I did get a little thing of like horse hooves I like them because like they give you something to do with your mouth right like you can chew on them for a while actually you know what let's talk about this this is somewhat um tbtl canon now on a hey dummies video that you um released in the newsletter I'm going to say two or three weeks ago with our friend John you guys were talking about snacking and John apparently is very into um sunflower seed culture and he had some pretty hot takes on that i didn't know that like if you're eating davidson david's oh is it oh yeah david's uh brand then you're not really a seed head you know i was just trying to be a

gracious host hang i was trying to be cool i was trying to show off and i was trying to be a gracious co-host of hey dummies so i didn't really cross him on that but i have had many a david

sunflower seed and found it to be totally fine he says that the real heads uh eat spits brand And the thing is, like, I know that you do spit out the shells, and I understand where that name comes from, but I hate that name. I don't like the Z. I don't like the Z, and I don't want to buy any food that is named after spitting.

Yeah, I agree.

For real, like, it's in my head. So I would go with David's. But here's the deal. I thought that would be a good road trip thing because there are points of the road trip where you're not super hungry, but you want some sort of stimulation, right? And you want something salty, but you're not hungry. So sunflower seeds, perfect for that. this world is too flavor blasted and jumbo sized now every bag i found hot takes sorry we should have led with this but i have you look at nature is healing i don't know if this is just on the road or if this is in grocery stores too but i could not find any sunflower seeds that weren't jumbo and i don't want a jumbo seed or and all of them were flavored there were just no regular sunflower seeds they're all pickle flavored or or ranch flavored like what the sorry thank you Andrew I went up to the edge yes but then I stopped now we know where the edge is

it's an emotional day um I I'm with you that like for me a sunflower seed or you know a bag of sunflower seeds they've got a lot of salt on them they're delicious I feel they're calorie neutral I feel the amount of work you have to do to get a sunflower seed out of its shell burns the amount of calories that the sunflower seed creates that's my theory but plain old sunflower seeds are plenty flavorful for me i do not need them to be cool ranch i was really bummed about that in fact my

mouth can't handle it i don't know if mine can i didn't try it too it's like you know after an

hour of eating those it's like the inside of your mouth is destroyed we you and i went out to get some dinner on um i guess it was sunday night and i ordered this sandwich that was so good it had like sprouts and i feel like sprouts are making a comeback and i love into it sprouts avocado cheese it was so yummy but it was on sourdough and they had toasted it to that level where every bite was agony and like i i really feel i wrote this on twitter but i feel like getting older is mostly just chewing on your good side like the inside of my mouth is just it's an adventure every time i am i gonna bite down with a tooth that hurts is the roof of my mouth gonna get shredded are those sunflower seeds gonna be so salty that like afterwards the inside of my mouth feels weak.

weird yeah yeah yeah so i i totally swerved on the sunflower seeds yeah yeah can i jump in real

quick i don't want to cause family strife here but um there's a one david burbank in the youtube chat saying what i think pickle sunflower seeds are the way to go so what if they had if they

had regular brother to brother i'm looking at you right now in the camera uh i actually don't think

i've even tried the pickle ones maybe they're good if they had regular sized pickle seeds i would have tried them but I wasn't going to be trying jumbo and pickle at the same time that yeah I don't I'm you already had a you're already dealing with a pizza situation that's right this was the same day in fact um so anyway I did have a bag of like regular pretzels in the car I can never find small snack bags of regular pretzels I like pretzels that's one of my go-to snacks on the road whether you're actually driving on the road or just traveling like I think I've made the argument on this show that pretzels are the perfect breakfast snack like it's uh you know we eat toast, right? Like, is it really that much more carbs than toast, but it's a little bit salty and you can take it with you. I mean, I'm sure I mean that. No, I don't. I mean, have whatever, live your life. Okay. But I also picked up, so I got a big one pound bag of those things. So I still, I'm still eating them. In fact, I ate some of those on Sunday. Did you? I didn't ask permission. No, you have permission. This is all, this is all, but what about these? These came into my, I got them right here. These are dots, home style pretzels. I had these for the first time a few weeks ago. They were sold at a hardware store. Vives and I were in the middle of a painting project, and we ran out of paint.

And so we had to run back. And love hardware store food. Yes.

Popcorn. That's what compelled me.

Like some of those places, like the kind of more old-school neighborhood joints, you'd go in, and they'd, you know, free popcorn.

Oh, I didn't know about free popcorn. Oh. But they do have, like, a snack aisle there. Or not an aisle, but, like, you know, impulse buy kind of thing. And they had a whole bunch of different flavors of this Dots home-style pretzels. And while the kid behind the counter, and, yes, he was a kid, and, yes, I'm old, was ringing us up, Veeves and I started a conversation about these dots. We're like, I don't know. I haven't heard of them. And the kid behind the counter is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, this is a thing. He's like, you've got to try these.

It's a whole culture.

He was so cute. He was just like, no, you've got to try them. He's like, they have a whole bunch of different flavors. But he said, but if you haven't had them before, you've got to start with original. He said, swerve on these other ones, but you can try these down the line, too. He really wanted us to have a good dots home-style pretzel. And so did you grow up with these? I didn't. Because I get the impression they're kind of regional. It says they're from North Dakota.

I did not grow up with them, but they've come into my awareness in the last few years. And people get really into them.

Yeah, this kid was very into them. So I bought some of those on the road trip, too. But there's something about, like, a regular pretzel that is not flavor blasted. That's why I think pretzels are a good snack. It's like even these, their code is original seasoned, but they are seasoned pretzels. And they're delicious. But when you're on the road, like, I don't know.

I would like to try one, but my mouth is still recovering from the sandwich I ate on Sunday night.

And this is one of the first things I bought. So these are probably not the best Dots pretzels in the world. But there's just something about feeling really greasy when you're on the road, too, when you're driving for hours and hours and hours. And all of your snacks are like, if they're chip-based or whatever, you just get grease on your hands and you feel more like garbage. That's why I like to always have just an emergency bag of plain pretzels because it's a good snack that doesn't feel terrible. You know what I mean?

Or a slice of meat lover's pizza. Or a slice of, again. It's grease-free. Throw a couple pretzels on there.

Okay. Does anybody know how to cut John's mic?

Hey, Andrew, can you do me a solid? Can you do two things? One, can you activate our phone line? Yes, I can.

Oh, I was supposed to do that a long time ago. Sorry, I've been blabbing.

No, no, no. This is good. I think people love snack content. I'm not even kidding. And John is monitoring the YouTube feed. And are people enjoying snack content?

There's a lot of love about the Dots pretzels. That seems to be a thing that people are excited about.

So we're going to turn the phone line on. It's 206-414-TBTL, 206-414-8285. You can give us a ring. And then also, Maestro, if you could dial up our Dazzling Donor music.

We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle-dazzle. On your mark. On your mark.

Get set.

Get set.

Now ready.

Ready. Go. Everybody razzle-dazzle.

Let's thank some Dazzling Donors. Of course, this is our fundraising week. we also sent out an email today for folks and it wasn't to raise money for our show but it was to include a couple of links if you feel like helping support some really great organizations that work with victims of gun violence so look for that in your inbox you may know where to donate your money, maybe you already have ideas but today we want to really try to center that experience and really talk about that so we're kind of low-keying the TBTL fundraising element today just out of respect, but we do have to thank the people who have been supporting the show for the last year, folks like Tracy Phillips in Des Moines, Washington. Hi, guys. I always struggle. Did you just wave at the camera in case Tracy's watching?

You said hi, guys, and so suddenly I just thought we should say hi, guys.

That is a very, like, Pavlovian response.

Like earlier in the show, before we were actually, quote unquote, on the air when John said, I think our mics are hot. And I've honestly never seen your cat like I want to go back. I've never seen you move so quickly. Our mics were not actually on, but we were getting ready for the show and just chatting. And we weren't saying anything that would be inappropriate. But you and I share, Andrew, as longtime radio folk, we share that just like deep, deep fear of saying something into a hot mic. Just when you're talking near a microphone, but you're not thinking about it as something that's, as they say, outward facing, it is the number one fear of, it should be the number one fear of radio. That's why I can't believe, I'm always surprised when someone says some kind of BS into a hot mic, right? Like who works around microphones, like Castellanos, Tom Brenneman in St. Louis saying something homophobic into a hot, like how do you not know? know at some point if you do this enough that anything you say near a microphone you have to be able to stand yeah behind it and assume that someone's going to hear it you just remember that that's not who he is he's a man of faith yes exactly thank you tracy phillips is a person of great generosity and has been supporting tbtl for a long time i know tracy tracy says i always struggle with what to say in this message i'm going to do my best to keep it brief why do i love and donate to the show i've been through a lot over the years while i've been a listener I always feel like I have two bros living life beside me, not to mention the TENS community. I listen when I'm puttering, going to bed, and when I'm working remotely. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You keep me looking cool with my nieces. Luke, my niece Haley thought it was cool that I knew you. She said, my aunt knows people when we saw you at the Vera Project. I was doing a TV story about the Vera Project, and Tracy was there, which was really cool. And we had all our big cameras And it was like The only cool moment of my life

I just realized I've been pronouncing that wrong My entire existence Since yet I always say Vera But you did a story on it Must be Vera Well I don't actually know You don't know? It hasn't aired yet So I don't know

I know I'm whispering I sat down with one of the co-founders And I think I said Is it Vera or Vera? She goes it's whatever But just don't call it Vera And I was like Oh so then I mean it's Vera She goes well just people And then throughout the story That's the most confusing It was totally confusing And throughout the story, I talked to the other co-founders. I swear, no one, there's no consistency in how it was pronounced. That's a great organization in Seattle, by the way, the Vera Project. I made her listen to an episode on our way over to Wazoo. She was mixed on TBTL, but she is 14 years old. All right, fair. From TikTok videos to pop culture, you guys keep me up to date since I'm a 53-year-old lady. Okay, Andrew, I'm wrapping up. One minute is hard to hit. Is that part of the thing? Do we tell people to keep this to a minute?

That's actually in the message. I didn't notice that. Yeah. John, you know, but we put a little message on the form. Let's try to keep it to about a minute, right?

Yeah. It's just a character count thing more than anything.

That's rich coming from us. And you even put like Andrew asked to keep it. That's why this is directed towards me. Yeah.

I think we like to, in the membership team, we like to pass the blame to hosts as often as we can. That's great.

That's good. But I think it's pretty funny that we, the show that just talked for about 35 minutes about Pizza Hut, Are asking the people who pay for the show To keep it tight

I love the way we said before the show We're going to go to the phones early And then 45 minutes in I'm wrapping up my 7th pointless story

We're just letting people compose their thoughts Regarding Dot's pretzels Oh, you have a picture of Dot on the back? Look at that, Dot's a real person That's pretty cute I don't know what I'd do without you in my ears This is Tracy again I'm not just confessing something to Andrew I've spent 14 years with you knuckleheads Said with love I'm finalizing an anniversary party for us And I thought, oh, I'm missing Luke and Andrew Andrew isn't this kind of party guy, let's be honest But this is how my brain works

Did you not hear about my hotel party?

You're my friends You were there as my relationship was starting There through my wedding planning And so many other events That being said, I feel I'm not alone Luke, keep up the loose cannon behavior parenthetically but be careful thank you Tracy with a balance of self-discovery Andrew you do you I love your thoughtful ways and sense of humor love you guys Tracy in Des Moines I don't know if you're tuned in today on the live thing but thanks Tracy we really appreciate you and it's always fun to get to catch up with you at various events so thanks Maestro

on your mark get set now ready

We've also got to thank Jennifer Wolfe from right here in Denver, the Dinosaur, Colorado.

I think we're going to meet Jennifer at our event on Friday at Local 46. Jennifer starts, first of all.

Miigwetch, which means thank you in Ojibwe to Boots and Brian for having my back on a culturally sticky situation earlier this month. Okay, now I know how to say thank you in Ojibwe. That's pretty cool. The story is boring and forever taking. Someone's heard our drops and our show. But suffice it to say, they each demonstrated what it means to be a good ally to people of color. In fact, many tens rallied to repair my hurt feelings. I'd like to invite you all to follow my indigenous consulting business account on social media Project Mosaic LLC for strategy services to tribes and Native American organizations on my socials I post updates to increase awareness of issues that affect my clients and indigenous people such as missing and murdered indigenous women hashtag MMIW crisis environmental justice issues the horrifying news that the bodies of over 10,000 Native American children that have been recently found buried at boarding and residential schools throughout the u.s and canada political news and other stories often overlooked by the mainstream media however i also share uplifting stories and general indigenous silliness i have found myself andrew following a lot of indigenous folks native american folks on tiktok and i mean you know i'm a far far outsider but there is a really rich rich comedy history within native american culture yeah that i'm just kind of get like people doing impressions of aunties and like just all of this like really kind of fun interesting stuff that again is all sort of news to me that's really cool that there's now a way i'm serious i feel like i'm kind of like looking into the world of some folks that are you know i would have never met otherwise or experienced this kind of particular strain of humor and kind of cultural you know uh sort of way of relating anyway um my brother is a producer and a writer for the oh and this show yeah reservation dogs is so good so good my brother is a producer and writer for the hulu show reservation dogs so there are plenty of res dogs memes to be found on my pages as well i'm most active on instagram and tiktok at project mosaic llc and i'm just getting up to speed on twitter at project mosaic colorado well co i've been a loyal listener since the ross dress for less episode that was such a good episode dang dude that is really going back and I'm grateful for many years of laughs. Pedamaya, which is thank you in Santee, Dakota. Pedamaya from listener Jennifer. Well, Pedamaya to you, Jennifer. Thanks.

Can I mention one more thing here too? Because I was chatting with Jennifer via email and she mentioned, oh, I forgot to put this in my dazzling donor message. But her sister is recovering well, apparently. And we know about her sister because this was one of the most touching stories I think I've ever heard related to certainly a TBTL-a-thon. But, of course, was it last year that we gave away these little sound? I think so. I'll say, what's up, though? These little sound effects boxes that have our TBTL drops on it. And Jennifer's sister was recovering from some brain damage and was not able to vocalize at that time and communicate vocally at that time. And apparently they were able to sort of communicate By using buttons on this box And we talked about this on the show Which is absolutely amazing So Jennifer I'm glad to hear that your sister is doing better And thanks for sharing that story I mean it's just I can't even wrap my head around that

Yeah it really is one of those things where It sort of stopped us in our tracks And made it feel like This I mean the listeners are so kind And we like just reading those messages From Tracy and Jennifer It's like they're so supportive of us and they never fail to let us know that the show means something to them. And yet still, it mostly feels like we're just bullshitting here. And so you hear something like that, like this silly fun box with my mom's voice on it saying, what's up, dog? Yeah, exactly. Was part of someone's recovery in a way that somebody was able to sort of re-engage with the world. And it's just like it's very I use this word a lot, but it's very humbling.

Don't miss the sausage fest. Is that a good punctuation to your heartfelt message?

Perfect. All right. Listen, yesterday I promoted something that I said was going to change the sound of TBTL and maybe the sound of podcasting, but I'm not going to tell you about that today. I'm going to push that over to tomorrow because I want to take some calls. And also, if we have time, I want to tell you one of the great news stories I've seen in years involving someone stealing Seth Green's NFT board ape.

You and John were telling me about this over dinner last night.

I mean, it is honestly, as they say, giving me life. Everything about this story is just so perfectly 2022. But in the meantime, let's actually take a phone call.

Yeah, it looks like we have a call coming in here from Seattle, if I know my area code.

Who's on the line?

Oh, is this me? Hi. This is you. Hello.

Hi there. We don't have a call screener. Sorry, we just throw you right into the deep end. Who's this?

Yeah, I didn't know if my name, Jen Joyce, is going to show up or not. Oh, Jen.

Uber Jen. Maker Jen. Yes, exactly.

Yeah, formerly known as Uber Jen and now Making Jen.

Making Jen. How are you doing? Hi, Jen. How are you?

I'm good. I just called because I'd like to one-up your Airbnb Wi-Fi name story. Okay.

Okay. Church of Scientology, for people who may have missed that episode, at some point, it would appear that the Wi-Fi here was called Church of Scientology.

Yes. So I am currently visiting the lovely city of Austin, Texas. And my Airbnb, I was, you know, everything's been really amazing. The person I was working with super communicative and nice and i sit down to do some work go to look for what the wi-fi is

and uh it's called joe rogan's wi-fi oh no oh wait is this are you airbnbing a property owned by joe rogan because he lives in austin now oh shit i mean this is actually a possibility

But there's no way Joe Rogan would name his own Wi-Fi network Joe Rogan.

Counterpoint, he absolutely was. He would name it NeuroGum or some other bizarre product that he's hawking. Wait, is there a chance that this is a property owned by Joe Rogan, Jen?

I mean, the person I've been in communication with is not Joe Rogan, thank God. So I'm going to guess no, but that makes a little bit more sense.

I wonder if the attempted humor situation is similar here, but that is so that's such an interesting trend of people wanting to name their Wi-Fi something that's kind of not, you know, the most like, I mean, if let's say that it's either they're a Joe Rogan fan or that they're trying to roast Joe Rogan. But either way, it's just involves them thinking of Joe Rogan more than I would personally like to.

I mean, yeah, I would hope nobody thinks of Joe Rogan anymore. That's the direction I'd like to see this go

It's a pretty popular podcast From what I've heard Yeah, I don't even get the joke Now, I've been seeing a lot of memes Now, I think we're at a point with this Where these are probably fake at this point But have you seen those things going around Where apparently neighbors in apartment buildings Are fighting with each other By naming their Wi-Fi network Something aggressive or passive-aggressive About somebody else across the hall

I haven't seen that But I've lived in buildings Where people are like you know uh you know get off my wi-fi or fbi van or people like love to try to get get cute uh-huh

yeah yeah i saw one the other day and again it's hard to say if somebody didn't just photoshop this or they're doing this because they want to go viral or something but it's something like uh their a network was something like apartment 24 your music is too loud oh wow whatever yeah exactly

like really going targeted are you what are you working in austin jen or are you on vacation

a little bit of both i'm i'm you know uh i i just got over the covid so i oh i'm sorry my body no it's okay i i was uh fortunate to have a very horrible few days and then it got better but um you know here in austin uh there's no such thing as covid if you didn't know

no and i think i had it i had omicron in austin that's really the place for it I had that was when I was down there doing that interview with Kirsten Dunst and may have given Hollywood sweetheart Kirsten Dunst the cron. Gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So it was kind of bad for a few days, though, for you.

Yeah. And then it ended up being fine. And yeah, it's just it's interesting because, you know, just being so careful for so many so many of these years of the covid years. And then all of a sudden you just it you go to one Sounders match.

Oh, really? But, I mean, how many people were there, 80,000?

Yeah, it was the CONCACAF Cup, so the entire stadium was sold out.

Wow, you went to that game. Wow. I thought the whole thing is scarves up around your face. Yes. That should be one of the safest sporting events.

Yeah, that's what it should be. Yeah.

Hey, Jen, I wanted to say, you know, I'm thinking about, I mentioned that you're making Jen now because we mentioned your new projects in your Dazzling Donor message, which we read, I think, just maybe last week or two weeks ago. and maybe I'll give you an opportunity to talk more about it. It was just Friday, yeah, and just a reminder, I mean, obviously you've been a friend of the show for so long now and a supporter for so long, so thank you sincerely so much.

Hey, thank you too. I truly miss you all.

In real life, Drew, as you said, we're going to burn shit in your backyard. That's right. Sorry about that. No, no. And, Luke, I think I'm planning a trip down to Portland in August, so I'll definitely hit you up. Yes, absolutely. It was fun. We had, like, a little bit of a – I could tell some tens were trying out the new app, Making, because we had some surgence of new people posting throughout the weekend on Monday.

And people should use the promo code TBTL?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, can you hook us up with whatever it is you do there like you did with Uber in the early days?

Yeah, right. I was actually talking to our CEO about it, and she's like, you know, this is great. How do we pay them? And I was like, I already do. It's okay.

That's the business model. Well, Jen, thanks again for being such an awesome friend and TBTL homie for all these years, and real-life homie as well.

yeah thank you have fun y'all take care it's down there yeah yeah the y'all is coming out

it's beginning i want to tell y'all about this um this seth green story because it's so great so seth green who everybody knows from uh like a whole bunch of different things robot chicken he's uh uh he's dr evil's son in austin powers scotty scotty scotty don't Nope. How about you don't? Scotty don't. He is also a big NFT person now, and he, I guess, owns a bunch of these so-called Bored Apes. And he loves NFTs so much that he's actually created this new TV show that is called White Horse Tavern. And I guess it sort of asks the question or it sort of presents this universe where humans, humans real life humans are kind of just moving about in the world along with nfts sort of like who framed roger rabbit and one of these board apes is a central character in the tv show that he's been working on and it's the board ape that seth green owns i forget what his name is own a

board ape oh yeah i guess you can that's the whole point literally the whole point right and i forget

what the exact name of this of this ape is but you know they like they have names and so trevor Yes. And so he's been, you know, he's been making this TV show. And one of the things, just side note, for those of you that got into that podcast, Dead Eyes, about the guy who was fired from Band of Brothers by Tom Hanks for having dead eyes, Connor, that guy is in this. He's in this pilot for White Horse Tavern. But anyway, so the thing that happened recently was that Seth Green got he got fished. Somebody tricked him into giving away some of his bored apes. And then that person sold one of these apes, the ape who's the star of the TV show, sold that ape to a surgeon in Australia who just likes to collect NFTs and bored apes and the like.

Can I ask a quick question here? I don't mean to get you off your roll. But do we have any idea how this phishing incident happened? Do we have any details on that? Maybe it's just too boring. But I'm just like, I don't know anything about NFTs. I know a little something about phishing. I've been phishing people for years now. But like, how did how these things are supposedly so valuable, right? Like, how did somebody trick him into handing over his precious, precious Trevor?

I don't know enough about maybe John you do I don't know enough about the NFT world I mean the thing I do know is with the blockchain what's interesting about this is that there is a very very clear and documented record of the chain of custody of Kevin the board I love that his name is now just Kevin

I said Trevor but either way is fine

Trevin Trevor the board ape

Trevor

but you know that's the whole thing with the blockchain is the blockchain has been described to me is basically a giant Excel spreadsheet that keeps track of... So everybody knows who owns everything and who has owned it at various times because it's just a big, long receipt. So they can actually figure out to some... Well, this is the thing that's interesting, though. The person who scammed Seth Green, it's still a bit unclear that person's identity. So they know that some shadowy figure had Trevin, the Bourdais, for a period of time. But then that person sold it to this guy who goes by on Twitter. He's known as Mr. Cheese. And he has another handle, Darkwing84. So they figured out, like I said, he's in Australia. He's apparently a surgeon. BuzzFeed has gotten in touch with him.

So this is the new owner who came upon this legally from his perspective.

And again, in the blockchain, you can see, I think he paid $200,000 for Trevin. Okay. And so it's sort of like Seth Green has it. some person who we don't know gets it away from Seth Green sells it to the guy in Australia now there was some speculation that maybe the guy in Australia

And the person who got it away from Seth Green is the same person, because that's the thing. The scammer, it's unclear that person's identity.

It's just, yeah, I thought the whole point of I'm not asking you to explain it, but it's just I thought the whole point of this is that there's some security there because they're there. Everything is supposed to be accountable. Like, how is he just like, first of all, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for nothing is interesting and infuriating in its own way. And then also like you're just like getting scammed out of it. i thought thought the whole point was these things are trackable well they are but it's a little bit

of a legal gray area if you bought an nft that was stolen i guess that there's basically what i'm reading and there's really good reporting by someone named sarah emerson in buzzfeed on this everything i'm saying is kind of just cribbed from from sarah's really good reporting she's the one that tracked down mr cheese aka the australian surgeon um but like i guess the story is you're supposed to sort of do your research it's i guess it's a the um the polite thing is to do your research on nfts that you're buying to make sure that they have not been fished from someone but it's un but this the mr cheese is saying this thing wasn't flagged as stolen when i bought it right you know what i mean like so i don't know what i was supposed to do um he said that he has right now no plans to give trevin back to seth free what he really said was i have no plans like he's just got that he paid 200 grand for it what's he gonna do give it to seth green right so this was um one of the things that i thought was really great about this was uh when i first saw the story so seth green goes on twitter and he goes well friends by the way seth green is probably a nice guy i'm not trying to be anti seth green i think i have a certain amount of suspicion around rich people and their nfts like it's just like a topic that makes me feel bad because i'm not a rich person and i don't have any nfts um he said well friends it happened to me got fished and had four nft stolen please don't buy or trade these while i work to resolve so he's then got these um like kind of screenshots of his different um nfts that are stolen and he goes uh by the way at darkwing 84 it looks like you bought my stolen ape hit me up so we can fix it so there are several involved in this there's like four of them wow so here's what i'm trying to do i'm trying to take care of your bored apes seth like jeez louise the best thing though i got How is it that I don't understand how Twitter operates at this point in my life, Andrew?

You would spend more time on Twitter than anybody I possibly know. You're looking for the response from somebody?

I want the replies. I'm just going to paraphrase. Basically, right when this tweet first went out and started to get some attention, somebody responded to Seth Green and said, I think I know who Darkwing88 is, and I can have them brought to justice. And Seth Green then, and this is actually, I have to give Seth Green credit. Seth Green responded to that person and said, I'm not mad at Darkwing 88. He was like, I don't think he should be punished. I just need to get the info. And then the guy responded, the first guy, and he said, oh, I was just fucking with you. I don't have any of this information. But the term like brought to justice was so funny. But here's the really interesting part of the story is that because Seth Green no longer owns Trevin, He also potentially doesn't own the intellectual property Or the IP or the copyright

Of the actual drawing

Of the ape Now Mr. Cheese, the surgeon in Australia Owns Trevin And to use this Bored Ape in this television show That he's already made It's legally possible that he no longer has the rights To even put that Bored Ape in his TV show And he's already shot the thing

i can't put trev in my bored ape in my tv show because mr cheese owns it now it's like how did we get here this doesn't seem right like just every fiber in my being says everything about this is wrong it is interesting though like yeah like so along with the i guess inherent value of these nfts which are still they seem pretty ludicrous and arbitrary to me but okay i guess there's a marketplace and i need to just accept that there's also a copyright angle of it too which is a totally different set of laws. It's just, it's kind of mind twisting for me. And also maybe it's because I'm so dumb about it that it's starting to anger me, but it all just seems so stupid.

I mean, again, I am very suspicious of it, but it's only because I didn't have the wherewithal to get in at the right time.

Yeah, and one of our closest friends, I mean, this is her life, and she's not like somebody who is at all sketchy or, I mean, she's one of the smartest people I know. You know what I mean? And so like, I know that there are people who are like legitimately into this world and i'm not saying that i'm right in being angry about it

but i am and i don't know why yeah i um i saw the story in the new york times recently that also just kind of added to my sense of outrage which was a rundown of all of the famous people who have been pitching nfts nfts that have now You

or crypto, I should say. Not just NFTs, but crypto. It's like Paris Hilton. I mean, it's a long list. I can't think of all of them off the top of my head. But it's Larry David. Oh, really?

That's surprising. Well, he's in these ads. He's in the ads.

Don't be Larry. So they went through. The New York Times went through and basically identified Matt Damon, that really overly serious one he did. They went through and basically found all these celebrities that have been hawking crypto and getting paid a bunch and getting a bunch of crypto. And now that a lot of that crypto has lost like half of its value, they went back to get a comment from these celebrities who were interestingly silent. And the quote, this was what I thought the funniest thing was. There was a quote from somebody at the ad agency that made the Larry David commercials. And the response of The New York Times, and again, I'm paraphrasing here, was we don't know anything about crypto. We don't care about crypto. We just make TV commercials.

And I was like, what? That's interesting. Well, I mean, wait. Can I suss that out for a second? Yes, you can. suss away you're a reporter um and you're reaching you're trying to do this story and so that does make sense like let's say there is a big scandal involving let's just say kleenex tissues i'm saying that because i've been using a lot of them i apologize to everybody on the uh live stream who's been for the past three days watching me constantly blow my nose during these broadcasts i'm sorry when i laugh my face starts to leak it's i don't know why that is um but anyway so let's just say that there's some scandal with Kleenex. As a reporter, I don't think I'm going to go to the ad agency to get a comment on Kleenex, right? That seems like kind of a strange approach to journalism. Like, why would the ad agency want to weigh in on a scandal?

By the way, the piece was written by Tiffany Hsu in the New York Times. This is what she said. On the Super Bowl commercials, the comedian Larry David denigrated important inventions such as the wheel and the light bulb before rejecting crypto the ad winkingly urged viewers don't be like larry jeff schaefer the director of that super bowl spot said in an email that he and mr david did not have a comment on the market collapse unfortunately i don't think we'd have anything to add as we have no idea how cryptocurrency works that's actually really don't own it and don't follow its market he said we just set out to make a funny commercial i guess i mean i don't know i mean just it feels i wonder if there's a like if you were the ad this is a weird comparison but if you were the ad agency that made the ads for marlboro would you have would you have a certain kind of moral responsibility around promoting something that was ultimately not

great for people okay all right good argument wow touche all right well uh mic drop that was it i want to go to a call or do we have more on no let's take let's take a call okay let's see here We have a call coming in. It looks like from the 425 here, so right outside of Seattle, right? Ahoy, ahoy. Hey, who's on the line?

Hey, my dude.

Hey. Hey, who's this?

This is listener Julie from Portland. I can't believe I got through.

Hi, Julie. How are you doing? You sound excited.

I'm also maybe a little high on caffeine right now.

You and me both. Andrew makes a really good cup of coffee Also, I said this to John last night I love living with Andrew Because when Andrew is slightly bored He just starts doing the dishes Or straightening up It is just like such Genevieve has got it so good, my friend But because Andrew makes such a great cup of coffee I'm now regularly consuming like four mugs of coffee every morning

Can I say, Luke, it was a real honor to see tomorrow's coffee made today

It didn't actually happen live I do like to prepare the coffee I do that as well at my house

It's great, but to see you do it, it was like, this is really pulling the curtain back.

You did say yesterday, you're just like, wow, you guys, it's not bullshit. You guys really live the lives that you talk about. Yeah, 100%. Oh, yes. This is not an act, Julie.

This is not a persona. We're really this boring.

What people hear on the podcast is 100% real life.

So the 425, is that a Portland?

No, that's like the east side. Are you originally from like Bellevue or something?

I'm originally, yeah, from Washington State, but living in Portland now. And I have to say, I also love a man with dishpan hands.

Wow, that sounds like a country song. I love a man with dishpan hands.

So what are you up to this week? What are you doing there in Portland?

I am a dancer. I also, I teach dance mostly. Oh, cool. Yeah, I also door dash a lot.

Have you ever dashed to my door? Has Luke Burbank's name ever come up in your account?

No, it hasn't.

I order more DoorDash than anyone in Portland. It's like, it's insane. It's only a matter of time, Julie, before you're bringing me like some.

kind of a salad from Basal Thai Vegan over there on Broadway, which is a go-to for me.

Well, I'm the dasher you want to get. I'm a great dasher.

Oh, yeah?

Not to pat myself on the back.

What do you do? What's the Julie Mark of Excellence that you bring to your dashing career?

I just treat it like it's mine, you know? Yes. You eat it? There's, like, cold items and hot items. You've got to keep those separate.

Good. I love that. I have to say there is a real range. I try to, you know, be I try to be mindful of the fact that it's not an easy job. And you all are super busy when you're door dashing. And sometimes it can have to do with maybe the food doesn't come out quite right or whatever. the one thing that i don't love but then i'm mad at myself when i get angry about this if that makes any sense like there's something that annoys me with door dashing that i'm also mad that it annoys me which is where i happen to live is not super convenient for parking so sometimes the dasher will just say like i'm in the car and then i have to come out of the apartment building and go to their car and get it from them yeah which at that point i would have just gone i should have just gone and got it the journey for me is leaving the apartment building right right

right so but you would never do that julie right no i i i always just read whatever is in the description like if you if you write bring it to my door i'm gonna bring it to your door but um some some users of the app will intentionally wait outside their apartment building because they kind of have that deal too and i always thank them always i'm like thank you for coming outside because you just saved me like 10 minutes to try and find parking yeah figure out your door code go up the elevator like i do that all the time but if it does save me time when the user comes down to like the sidewalk or the lobby i feel like that's yeah i feel like that's that's

reasonable but sometimes if i have to go into the street if the person literally is in their car i'm

like huh now what's have you ever gotten like a super good tip i have actually yeah uh the best tip i got was it was for like a work meeting i delivered like 50 cupcakes and i got a 60

day yeah nice and then when you when you're when you're teaching dance is it like is it adults is it kids is it the is it the bossa nova is it interpretive what are you teaching i mean i

mostly teach kids i have taught some adult classes but i teach ballet mainly um i do you know contemporary jazz and kind of lyrical a lot of the stuff on on the outside but do you ever teach

oh i'm sorry i didn't mean to cut you off i was gonna ask though do you when you're teaching kids Do you ever have to teach reluctant kids? I don't know if parents still do this, but for my parents, it was very important that I learned to play an instrument at an early age, right? And I wasn't super into it, so I played the trombone for a while and the baritone and the trumpet. Yeah, you didn't know that?

Are there any pictures of you as a kid with your trombone? I would make an NFT out of that.

I love playing the trombone because I like the slidey nature of it, and we would goof around a lot with them. but I think my parents were like I wasn't very good at it and I don't think my parents were super big fans of the bass clef I remember actually hearing my mom or dad one time say it just sounds like farts up there and so they wanted to get me off they wanted to get me off the bass clef and onto the treble clef so they transferred me transitioned me into the into a trumpet by way of baritone anyway we don't have to relive all of that but you know I did it because I had to but I didn't love it but I think if it was dance that my parents had pushed me into i would have been so much more self-conscious about it are you do you ever work with kids who are maybe reluctant or self-conscious the answer is absolutely yes

a lot a lot of kids are trying it out yeah and you know they're they're kids even if you're even if you're 13 you know you're just not a fully developed you know human yet um yeah i mean they're just they're a totally different type of person to work with i love working with kids um yeah they're they're less inhibited in some ways but then when it comes to being more inhibited like you're saying andrew they can be really intense and when you when you can get through to a kid like that there is nothing better like I had a kid once who she was doing great throughout the year but then when it came to recital and she was about to go on stage she just broke down into tears she said I can't do it and I had never had this happen before like she's in her

costume she's right about to go on stage and you know i just like sat with her and i was like i just comforted her and i said you know what it's fine to feel this way and um the feeling you know will pass um the nervousness you don't have to go on stage but there's nothing scary about it even if you fall and i i always tell them like i fall on stage all the time and i'm fine did the the

Did the young dancer end up going out on stage?

He did. Yeah, it was so, oh my gosh. That was a huge win for me. He did. He went on.

And that kid's name was Jojo Siwa.

I'm assuming that's a famous dancer.

That is a famous kid dancer. Are you familiar with the Jojo Siwa phenomenon, Julie?

No, I'm just laughing because it sounds like a funny name. She is.

Jojo Siwa. Okay, somebody out there knows what I'm talking about. She was on – well, yeah, but she was on – I think started out on that show maybe Dance Moms where – but then she became super popular on YouTube and TikTok and places like that and is now just this huge influencer but also like a really good – I believe she was on Dancing with the Stars. Do you watch Dancing with the Stars religiously, Julie?

I don't.

I like that you just – you keep your work life and your home life separate. You don't have to watch dancing when you're at home.

that's your that's your you time i want yeah i want i want to i watch a lot of other stuff i love a good competition show you know like great british baking show is my people love that show i

need to get into it but i worry it's moving a little slow it moves a little slow for me but people swear by that john did a fist bump when you said great british baking show can i also

make a plug for the great pottery throwdown that's on hbl max it's like the british bake-off it's in england they're all very kind and nice but they're doing pot it's really it's wholesome

wholesome you're speaking my language man i am so into that show right now guys everybody watch it on hbo anything one of the judges breaks down in tears oh so happy like every episode it blew my mind i was like what is this i need more but i also watch a lot of murder documentaries wow

You've got a real range there, Jules.

Counteract.

All that.

All that.

Well, listen, Julie, thank you so much for calling in. You really brightened our day. I think you were the caller. I mean, we love all of the callers, but you were just the caller we needed to wrap the show up with.

Oh, yay. Well, I wanted to say before I go, congrats to Andrew and Genevieve on their house.

Oh, thanks.

Congrats to Luke on his kitty. I got kitties two years ago, and they've brought so much joy to my life. I'm just really, really excited and happy for you.

Have they stopped scratching the shit out of you?

Well, we clip their nails.

Yeah, that's what I got to do when I get home.

Every once in a while, but my cats are also indoor-outdoor. They have a little cat door, so I think they kind of, you know, trim their nails on the wood that they scratch outside.

Yeah, that's good. I got a video. Becca, my girlfriend, is watching Bubbles right now and took her down to Salem where her mom lives and they live on all this acreage and she let Bubbles run around in the jungle, like in the forest, which is crazy because Bubbles is a bangle, so she looks right at home. And I was also like, well, now she's tasted freedom. Yes, exactly. Welcome back to my one-bedroom apartment, bubs.

So anyway. All right, thank you, Julie. I appreciate it.

Yeah, we appreciate you. Thanks so much for calling in.

And, Luke, I want to jump in here for a second. I know that we're taking phone calls, and you said you kind of wanted to wrap up the show. But speaking of – we got a very interesting voicemail the other day that I think you might be interested in regarding – it's from an actual cat trainer. I'm talking here like I'm setting up a joke. I promise you. I don't know what. There's something about my tone right now that I wouldn't trust me. I'm not setting – this isn't a joke. It's just a serious voicemail that we got from listener Jason, and he and his family are, I think, professionals in this field and had some really interesting advice that I'd never, like, I don't think I'd ever heard this before or thought about it in this way about training a kitten to not attack your hands or the ways to think about your hands. So take a listen to this.

Hi, Luke. It's listener Jason from Los Angeles. I just wanted to give you a little bit of advice about bubbles. My wife and I do a lot of cat and kitten rescue. And if I had known these things, it would have been much better. First of all, you've already kind of figured out that it's better to play with the kitten using a toy than your hand. And that teaches the cat that the hand is just for petting and holding and, you know, picking up. And you're teaching the cat that the hand...

is not a play thing right when the cat does i'm talking to jason like you can hear me or hurt you the only way you can teach the kitten to not do that is you have to recoil in an hugely exaggerated way and you have to yelp in pain and you have to hide the the quote-unquote wounds that the cat just gave you by turning away you have to put on this whole melodrama of emotion because the cat understands instinctively what pain looks like and by behaving in this way that it's hyper painful the cat will quickly learn that giving that putting a claw on you causes you to experience something it doesn't want you to experience so anyway keep up the great work i'm really proud of you that you are opening up your life to this new thing uh new thing and that it's your third

the cat but couldn't resist the shade could you that's really interesting though isn't it yes i

love the idea of you play acting like right well because i've done i was i was doing sort of the exact opposite which someone had told me if the cat starts to get after your hand you just you make your hand go dead and you just move it away from the cat but without being dramatic because you don't want the cat to associate your hand as being a thing you play with or attack so you kind make it unfun for them uh-huh but this is the opposite in a way this is like you know being very and i remember this being this is start going to the bedroom start packing your suitcase

like you're gonna move out like i can't live in this relationship i just like walk out of the

bedroom and i just like mean mug bubbles i have a huge bandage on my hand but like this i i remember i remember um this advice around when when like i had rudy early because you know puppies also would they their teeth are really sharp and they just kind of don't know and that's also advice i think for for training a dog is to like kind of overemphasize the pain because they don't want to hurt you i assume cats do want to hurt you that was why i didn't think that would work but i'm jason i'm absolutely going to put that into practice when i get when i get home and i am gonna i don't know you know what age but i'm going to start getting her um her nails uh trimmed at

the groomer as well yeah yeah genevieve actually trims our cat's nails and it's something or our cat now um but Theo as well and like they hate that right but Genevieve is just like that's where Genevieve is like she's obviously she loves animals so much that part of loving animals is also just being comfortable with the cat being uncomfortable for their for their own good for a little bit yeah I can't get there like I think I'm still just too nervous like I will make if it helps I'll maybe hold the cat while Genevieve trims it but I cannot do the trimming I'm afraid

to trim any animal's nails because I know that there is an amount that's too much. Uh-huh, uh-huh. That too, yeah. Like with Rudy, I used to take Rudy to the groomer and then they would dremel down her nails.

Uh-huh, uh-huh, good.

And I was like, I want the professionals to do this because if I think about trimming like Rudy's nail or even Bubbles' nail too far, it makes my butthole hurt.

Oh, God.

Like I have an involuntary pain in my anus.

I don't get it there. That's where I get it. I don't feel it in your anus. When I think about something,

When I think about something that's just like, ah, I feel it right in my sphincter.

Oh, my God. I don't feel it there. But I do. I almost get. When I think about it, I've never even tried to trim a dog's nails before. It would be weird if I. John's got.

You've got a herd of dogs. That's right. Do you trim their nails? We have three. My wife mostly does it because she's the responsible, good dog owner. But to the point of the teeth thing, 100%, the puppy tries to play with my hand like a toy. And I have to yelp. And same thing.

by which you mean you put a yelp review yeah i say benny's a very bad boy right now zero stars

would not recommend oh benny but the thought of like the thought of taking a device and actually trimming just like a big black dog now it's like um well because there's a vein in there

you're making it worse that they call it the quick you got to the quick but not cut it to the quick that's what i'm talking about see butthole hurting right now everything hurting everything You feel me? All right. That seems like a good place to wrap up today's episode of the show. Hey, a little info about tonight. We are going to be doing the TBTL game night. This will be 7 p.m. Central time. That is right. No, no, no. Mountain. Mountain time. Excuse me. 8 Central. But basically, if you want to join. John, what's the best way for folks to be part of this, particularly folks who missed last night because we postponed it?

Yeah. So if you go to tbtl.net, there's a page button that says join us. And there's a page on the website that has the registration links. It's a Zoom registration. So you just fill it out like your name and you'll automatically be registered. You should get confirmation email right away. Okay. That says you're in.

And once again, thanks to everybody for your patience with us last night. I know that some people were, I think most people were just like really on board with the idea of not having a real goofy night last night.

night but i also know that some people are like oh i could use some community right now yeah and so i i definitely feel that i understand um i understand yesterday was really tough today is really tough um and so i'm sorry we couldn't be there in that way last night but i really really appreciate you guys all understanding why we couldn't be it really means a lot to us and i

have to say i um this was very cathartic for me today's show yeah hanging out with all of you and the listeners um this has done my heart some good yeah so hopefully that's um also helping all of you out there in listener land and YouTube land and everything like that. So that's going to do it for today's episode. We'll see a bunch of you tonight on Zoom for game night and also see a bunch of you tomorrow for another edition of TBTL coming at you noon East Coast, 9 a.m. once again and live on YouTube. Andrew, congrats on fixing our janky broadcast.

Assuming that there's no audio interference today.

Sorry that yesterday the YouTube thing got a little funky at the end, but we're back better than ever, baby. All right. thanks everyone we love you we're thinking about you please have as good of a wednesday as is possible take really good care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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