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Do you feel this vehicle is safe for highway travel? Yes, I do. Yes, I really do. I believe that. I know it's not pretty to look at, but it'll get you where you want to go. Now, you got no outside mirror. No, we lost that. You have no functioning gauges. No, not a one. However, the radio still works. Funny as that may seem, with all this mess, that the radio is the only thing that's really working good, and it's as clear as a bell. Don't ask me how. T-B-T-L

Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?

It's Friday, Friday. Gonna get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. What is a weekend? I was just fixing to get me some grub. Beans. I love beans. Big, fat, hot, juicy beans. Don't get me going on beans. Or I'll be jabbering away till the sun comes up.

Why don't you come by if you've got some triple fried pizza dough or some kind of frozen meatballs or whatever it is. You can warm it up in my microwave or you can warm it up back at home. Bring it over pipe and hop. And if you want to bring over a vegetable medley, a crudite, figure out how much lunch meat you can spare. Maybe bring over a pound and a half, two pounds of Black Forest ham, maybe a Dijon mustard spread. Any kind of dessert, maybe a German chocolate cake or something like that.

I think people should listen to TVTL because it will make them funnier, even if it's in their own head.

This party is going to be off of the hook.

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL. Oh, la, la. The show that just might be too beautiful to live. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. Brother, who are you? What are you doing? Coming to you once again from Denver, Colorado, as part of TBTLF on 13. Let the fun begin. Let the fun begin. where we are hoping to end things strong on this Friday and raise the money that we need to to keep doing this thing for another year.

That cash could really get me out of a couple of jams.

Thanks to everyone who's already made a donation or kept their donations rolling on. And also thanks to some of the new folks that are going to be joining us today. We have a lot of faith, a lot of hope that this Friday will be a productive one And for the bottom line of old TBTL, I cannot believe that it's already the last day in Denver. I can't believe I ate that whole thing. Our last day broadcasting from the world's most oppressive Airbnb situation.

Don't stay in my house if you're dork-sided.

I mean, the actual house is great. The constant reminders that we're, it's like host V. Graff disease here. It's constantly trying to reject us as the renters through the instructions from the owners. One thing was like, it was like the bikes in the garage are not for you to use. In fact, nothing in the garage is for you. In fact, don't even go in the garage. I believe it's literally the instruction. Anyway, we're having a great time, though. We really are. One of the things that's fun about this week is that we have a phone line, and we can take your phone calls, 206-414-TBTL. 206-414-TBTL Ahoy, ahoy We are, of course, also streaming this live on YouTube right now Which is how a lot of folks are watching and engaging with us And, well, let's see here Oh, I know Andrew is already in the process of planning his route home From here in Denver back to the sweet cream district of Seattle, Washington Oh, shit Things are hard Meanwhile, I am currently putting together a plan to never leave Denver. Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful. Because you know how I am. And after, I had the world's most perfect Thursday afternoon here in Denver yesterday, which I want to talk about, followed up by the world's most perfect Friday morning here in Denver, going out to Wash Park. Although I don't feel, it doesn't naturally roll off the tongue. It's called Washington Park. But what I've been told by many people is everyone here in Denver, all the locals just call it Wash Park But I don't know, I don't feel like I've put in the time to get to be that casual with Washington Park But anyway, I am loving it here, so we'll talk about that And a bunch of other things with this guy, the longest running co-bro of the show Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, he is Andrew Walsh

I'll say, what's up, dog?

Sitting right over there, good morning, my friend

Good morning, Luke Yesterday on this program I began by telling you That we got a nice little note From our friends at YouTube The day before

Because Denver the dinosaur Was some kind of rights issue

Because we played the theme song To a 1988 children's cartoon Called Denver the last dinosaur

dinosaur quick update no the song has still not left my head listener alicia i don't know if we're friends anymore i mean john sklaroff our buddy from apm is here too hey y'all said my name hey john hey me um can you tell the listeners like am i lying that i've been going around the last yeah it's my head too because i keep on infecting you with it my apologies well okay it's a good infection i at the beginning of the week when we get these little notifications from YouTube. I was nervous because I wasn't sure like, do you rack up enough of these and they pull your stream down? Would that ruin the rest of the week's shows? Obviously we have a lot riding on this. We've enjoyed streaming to you directly, so I've been being very careful. Now it's Friday. It seems like we time to let our hair down. We've gotten a few warnings. Everything seems fine. I'm reading the warnings. I'm acknowledging and then moving on. I don't want to go, you know, I don't want to go on the wrong side of copyright law here, but I got to say, I received another note from our friends at YouTube this morning. Oh my goodness gracious. I did this to you the other day, Luke. I think this is going to be harder. Are you serious? Can you, can you even venture a guess? I think you're going to enjoy this. Can you even venture a guess what we played yesterday that YouTube was not thrilled with?

I feel like we're so careful now. I can't, other than two seconds of our ending song, which is the song Words by Doves, I think also there is a legitimate argument that the amount of promotion that we have provided for the semi-obscure band, Doves.

I know. The band doesn't care.

Far, I mean, you know, the opening song that we play, which is Catch My Disease by Ben Lee, Ben Lee has been on the program.

Right, but YouTube wouldn't know that and YouTube wouldn't care. They potentially could flag us for that. Luckily, there's so little of that in the clear. I've been glad to see that. So it has not been the opening music and it has not been the closing music. Did we play anything else yesterday? Razzle Dazzle? Did we play anything else? Ooh, good call. But no, it wasn't Razzle Dazzle, my friends. There's a right way to rock.

Are you serious?

And they didn't even acknowledge the fact that it was the super Andrew Walsh mix where we take this song and then add a bass line from another team. A Heidecker bass group. That's right. So we're just doing it. I'll get a note tomorrow.

Whatever.

That is amazing. Yep, we got a note. we got a note from youtube saying oh you know what you used a song yesterday that you don't

have the rights so that and just for folks who are a little unfamiliar that song is from the tim and eric awesome show and it's from that particular one is from some sort of they did a like a telethon called like the uncle muscles just the name fundraiser hour and like heidecker's up there with this very kind of unsettling makeup on kind of half crying singing i mean it is half crying sweating out there out there and not something that i think has ever been released as a as a piece of music uh-uh i don't so i guess also if we were to play so if we were playing and i don't know why this comes to mind it's very random and maybe a view into my To my weird brain If we were to play Something from the TV show Baywatch Could it get flagged? Yeah Because what we just played Was what we were playing When we do that Is something from a television So we're also not allowed To play audio From a TV show

I believe that's true I mean same with The Denver the Dinosaur Denver The last dinosaur

I'll tell you what That makes a little bit of sense I am as you and John know Because I keep Ducking in and out Of my bedroom here I'm also working on This TV story for this weekend And it's about this new Baz Luhrmann movie that's about Elvis Presley and it's a whole thing to negotiate the clips that we get to use even though we're journalists um it's like the studio has to and it's quite the process of kind of like we say well we would like this clip from the movie because it illustrates this point we're trying to make and then they go back and forth and like all these different I am so glad I don't see the chains of emails that are involved with this But, I mean, I guess a TV show or a movie is as sort of copywritten as a song.

No, I mean, the truth is, like, and I learned this from listening to The Levitard Show, which had a format not on, like, ours only is way more popular, obviously. But, like, you know, it's a bunch of people talking and throwing tape around and stuff. But when they left ESPN, like, or even when they were on ESPN, like, they couldn't even just pull a little clip of tape of somebody saying something funny on a different network without getting it cleared. Like, they were so careful. And I was always thinking, like, man, you guys are so uptight about this. Like, producer Mike Ryan is so uptight. But, I mean, truth is, you and I have been getting away with muck duck, you know? I don't say murder because murder is – do you remember that joke from The Office? Like, murder is the – R is the most aggressive letter. That's why it's called murder, not muck duck. That's a Dwight Schrute. Yeah.

That's got strong Dwight Schrute implications.

Sorry to just drop that in there without explanation. But, yeah, I think we've been getting away with muck duck for quite some time.

now is that a show title getting away with muck duck you write that down you know i think it also andrew raises an interesting sort of strategic thing for us which is part of why we've been able to get away with said muck duck because we're not popular if we were more popular if we were lebitard popular then we we would have even more kind of um you know be even more strict for us right we've been able to fly under the radar because of the bizarre business model that is tbtl which is a very small but very loyal group of folks this is of course the whole point of this week raising the money um donate and so we are somehow able to exist as a thing that is a job for the two of us and takes up a certain amount of john's brain space back there in minnesota and yet not be so popular that people generally notice that we're playing clips that we may or

not be allowed to play in a certain way though and i've said this to you off air a bunch of I am it's almost like Twitter right like I know the Twitter expanded the number of characters you can use in a tweet now but like there's something about the strictures of the format that makes people be sort of inventive actually maybe TikTok is a better example of that you know I don't know what the time limit is but like we first of all that was a death rattle usually I would cut that out of the podcast but we're live here so sorry about that everybody that's what I sound like

by the way how are you doing because I know the dry the dry Colorado air has been wreaking a

certain amount of havoc for you yeah no i'm fine i have chapped lips a lot because of the dry air but i mean i'm i'm fine i do feel like yeah it's a little bit it's a little bit dry here but um i

can feel it in my hair a little bit did you get that oh no yeah my hair you have nerves in your

hair oh i don't mean i feel it in my hair i mean like when i'm washing my hair touching my hair

you can like are you a sea anemone or something just imagining these like tendrils that or are you a navi you can feel things through your hair wow we're promoting the new avatar movie that's

one thing that we should say i mean we do need your donations but we do have a pretty um let's say wealthy relationship with the the new avatar movie we will be dropping casual references it's

a promotional thing it'll be our next riff track actually it wouldn't be a terrible idea oh my god

is that movie like seven hours long i don't it might be super long it's super bad i think it feels seven hours long oh wait i'm allowed to say that we have to give the money back now it was

extremely popular i saw it in the theater it was 3d me too and it was that was a strange time in this country because and john i know you're a big movie guy but like i feel like avatar was like a lot of james cameron films in that it was you know i think probably massively over budget it was this huge undertaking and then when it came out everyone just decided this is great we love it but if you go back and you watch oh you didn't i didn't like love it but i did not leave the theater thinking well that was a terrible three hours of my life I left the theater thinking well you know what they entertained me I ate some popcorn kind of like what you say Andrew but now sometimes I'll see clips of Avatar and I'll be like how were people not throwing tomatoes at

the screen I remember I mean this is embarrassing to remember a tweet but I remember leaving the

theater no it's not the main content I bring to this program I remember leaving the theater

and immediately tweeting they should have left that shit air painted on the side of a van like

i hated that movie so i was fine i was fine with it what did you think of it john uh i actually

refused to watch 3d productions because as a glasses wearer as a glasses wearer it's like really you know we are an oppressed people in that regard sure and so i just never saw it and

whoa that can be your like you know at the party like what have you not what have you not seen mine is actually speaking of cameron mine is titanic i've never seen which is ironic because my sister hannah has seen titanic i want to say like 30 40 times like there was a period where we were all living in seattle still and titanic was at the oak tree cinema and hannah was just old enough that she could like get herself to the movie theater and that she had money from like probably babysitting jobs this is maddie and mary's mom and so this intersection of autonomy and deep love for the movie titanic led to um a troubling pattern of seeing the movie upwards of

like 30 times although i love that that was um that was pulp fiction for me i was about that age maybe a little bit older i was driving by that point but like we would just hannah might have even been driving i don't know but yeah were you were kind of your own boss a little bit what do you want to do want to go see it again yeah okay because it just felt like you know the first you know obviously it's a classic now um but when you first saw it was so complicated with the way it was chopped up and it was like you could watch that movie a whole bunch of times and still like kind of sort out and then be like okay what is the actual order of the event in that movie you

know so yeah i love that feeling how many times let's uh it's a drinking game how many times is quentin tarantino unnecessarily and gratuitously use racial exactly slurs that that movie would

be fine without that so much better without what is the deal why did he bruise on the movie i know

it really sucks well that's i mean do we have the technology now can someone release like what's

opposite of the snyder cut yeah right can we release the non-problematic cut that just leaves in all the good parts of that movie right i feel like most tarantino films would benefit from that yes i agree usually one scene where you're like huh yeah yeah and usually he's in it so right anyway um andrew we uh talked a lot on the show yesterday about uh going out to the airport and getting you a slightly more yeah uh sort of robust vehicle to get back home to seattle with but i know that that's been something because we're going to wrap uh things up here uh today and then tonight we're going to go out to local 46 here in denver play some tbtl trivia with uh with with people out there which is i'm really looking forward to but then you kind of have this complicated thing where you've got to try to get yourself and all this gear like back to seattle and what we're going to actually do is uh you and i are going to record uh another episode tomorrow that will actually air on monday which will i'll give you basically enough time to get back to seattle without having to drive 20 straight hours or whatever. But I know this has been a complicated thing, the getting back to Seattle at a certain point, and also something that's been stressing you out a little bit. Where are you at with this?

So I've mapped out my route. By the way, what is your schedule like on Tuesday? This isn't interesting for the listeners I'm just asking you about my Tuesday. I'd like to start a little bit later on Tuesday because I'll be arriving back in Seattle Monday evening-ish. Not super late, but Monday evening-ish. But then I'm going to have to – all of this stuff that is around me right now is my studio. And so I need to put it all back together. So I'm hoping for a later dial-up on Tuesday. You know what, Andrew?

I've got nothing but time on Tuesday. Really?

Oh, that's good. So listeners – Oh, wait.

No, I don't actually. I have to interview Andrew Bird at 1 p.m.

1 p.m. Okay. That sounds good. We can work around it. Or we can just kind of combine those two things. We make it a TVTL thing that you repurpose. Actually, that would be great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's a very nice person. I've interviewed him before now. He's very nice for being someone who seems very austere. oh yeah because he's just kind of this like very spare kind of singer who's kind of tall and and and kind of i don't know he just has also it didn't help that the first time i ever talked to him i said i love your home because i'd seen it in architectural diet this is when we were at thing fest and he and his family were like coming out of the like artists area and i was excited because i love the music of andrew bird and instead of just saying hey andrew uh i'm a big fan i said love your house man and his wife looked at him like what and i was like no no because or maybe it was dwell it was like one of those things i was like because it was in dwell so it's too late though you lost him no we've repaired that since then because i interviewed him a while ago and he was so much he was just so nice and friendly like i know he just seems like a very serious guy up on stage whistling and singing songs about like quantum physics today on tuesday i want you to

open it with i love your underwear drawer see where that that was in men's health anyway sorry In that voice, though, in that voice.

On Tuesday, I do, but we'll make it work. We'll make it work.

But anyway, yeah, so my ride, so I will, when we're done with this show right now, I'm going to pack up most of this gear. I've got to leave some out because of some more recordings that you and I need to do. But then we will wake up tomorrow. You and I will have to return some equipment that we're using for tonight's trivia night, and we have to record some stuff. And then once you and I are done with our work, I'm going to be hitting the road. And I'm hoping no later than noon and driving seven hours to. And I'm interested to know if you know these towns. Evanston? Yeah. Evanston, Wyoming? No. It would be funny if I was going through Wisconsin.

Then I would say we need to get you off of MapQuest and on to a different kind of piece of software. Well, the Thomas Guide said I go through Evanston, Illinois.

Luke, what's your schedule on Tuesday? Because I'm going through Green Bay.

I'm going to score to settle with Aaron Rodgers. By the way, we made no progress in talking Russell Wilson into coming back to the Seahawks. That was when we were talking. I know I want to talk about your route home. But when we were talking about coming to Denver, like the whole one of the whole things was that we're going to come here and we're going to drive around and just like try to convince Russell Wilson to come home.

Yeah, I haven't really done. I haven't really done.

I've done nothing. I'm disappointed in how much you haven't been efforting that. Anyway, OK, so you're going to Evanston, Wyoming.

Which is apparently a town of about 12,000 people, 12,500 people.

Yeah, but they vote like 30,000.

Electoral College, look it up. Exactly. It looks like it's the county seat for Unita or Unta County. I don't know. I can't read very well when my computer is so far away from me. Then that's a seven-hour drive. The next day I will be driving from Evanston to Baker City, Oregon. Now, that's a community you're familiar with, right?

That looms large in my childhood.

Yeah. Now, is that where you pulled a piano home from? That's exactly right. Okay.

Good memory. Or I've told that story too many times.

Well, I know that there's some town in Oregon that you pulled a piano home from behind your family car. Yep. And every time you mention a town in Oregon, I say, is that the town you pulled a piano home from? And you say, no. This time I got it right.

This is like my roulette strategy. If I just bet on 20.

three enough eventually that ball will fall in there um yeah uh baker city oregon is where our family once drove in a non-air-conditioned ford econoline this is the middle of summer it's brutally hot out there and uh towed an upright piano back to seattle which thinking about it now an out of tune upright piano which is very weirdly in tune by the time you got home that was kind of things worked out in that sense but just like it's funny because like out of tune upright pianos are not a thing that are they're not super hard to get your hands on like just it's the kind of thing that you know people might have but like it's they're not super valuable it's not it wasn't a great a baby grant yeah but here's what's kind of interesting take it back to the titanic thing that piano that out of tune piano that was never professionally tuned it was just a bunch of guys from the church helped my dad move this thing up the stairs of our rental house and then it's it sat in our dining room my sisters particularly my sister hannah my sister sarah they learned piano on that thing and they had the friggin titanic soundtrack

they could play the titanic soundtrack they could play the near far where i mean it was

it wasn't like so out of tune that it didn't sound like the song but i mean i think if you would professionally tune the piano it would have been helpful was it kind of avant-garde is that why they're avant-garde musicians it was very sort of john cage kind of stuff yep um but uh anyway uh yeah so that was baker city oregon that's where we got that piano gotcha well i can tell

you that's six hours uh from baker city back to seattle that's where i will be um arriving on monday evening are you familiar with seattle seattle washington did that's where the seattle that's where the piano ended up really oh that's seattle washington what a coincidence yeah so did i say seattle ohio i feel like i'm a little bit out of my gourd no i have no excuses today by the way we went to bed at a decent hour last night and i want to say i think i might have said

this during the zoom last night and by the way thank you everyone who this week uh joined us for the tbtl game night that was super duper fun it's just really great to see all your shining faces or your little avatars if you don't feel like being on camera all of it is lovely but i mentioned this it is so great living with you andrew because what you do late at night when you're having any times is apparently straighten up the entire house um you took all the recycling and garbage out last night i mean that shouldn't come as a surprise to the listeners of this

program i didn't take it out to the curb i just got it out of the kitchen but like the bins the

The whole place is just spotless today. God, someone should do a podcast with me. I would listen to that.

Get a couple of handsome people to post it.

Thanks for doing that. You're like, well, you know, I was listening to my podcast. I just, I'll tell you what, you know, and obviously Genevieve, your partner, has just so many amazing qualities that are very, that are obviously things you're very happy about. But boy, did she ever hit the jackpot at the cleaning department.

She calls it letting my disease work for her. That's a quote.

TBTL-a-thon 14, catch our disease and then make it work for you.

It's how I wind down. It was a really nice evening. I think I kind of needed that, you know, like even to the degree that, you know, I'm chill with you and John. There is a level of just socializing, you know, and I think after like and then so let's say the last four or five nights we've been kind of socializing, talking, even just me and you going to get some beers or something, Luke. But then last night to be able to, you know, like maybe around 11 o'clock, just like clamp some big headphones on. I listened to this Slate podcast like they have some spoiler movie podcast that you can listen to once you've seen a movie or if you're not worried about spoilers. Just two people talking about the movie without having to worry about. Was it for Avatar? It was for Avatar. They loved it. Yeah. No, it was for that new. I saw it. The unbearable weight of pure genius. Oh, yeah.

The Nicolas Cage movie.

Yeah. And it was really interesting. And so, you know, that's what I love. I love just, like, listening to that stuff and just, like, puttering around late at night after everybody else is in bed. It's great. It's how I recharge my batteries.

Well, I am very glad that your brain's chemistry was helping to keep this place nice and clean. Because, again, I feel like if even one thing is out of place, we're going to hear about it.

Wait, what do you – oh, you mean, oh, from that, not from me. No, no, I mean generally from this place. Oh, right, right, right.

And I have been – again, all these shows are kind of blending together. And like when we're talking into the microphones and when we're just chatting around the dining room table, it's a little bit of a blur. So I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I really am. I'm I'm I'm debating sending seriously a nice email to the guy who runs this place just saying we had a lovely time. It's everything's awesome. Everything worked great. It's beautiful. I think you might just like friend to friend might want to kind of dial back some of the some of the instructions about or some of the things that make it feel. like we're not actually welcome to be here um and i don't think that's what he means like i asked him oh we also figured out that they're in italy for a wedding because this house is very wired i mean i think that the maybe the the guy works in tech of some kind everything's there's like like a screen like a tablet that's in the kitchen

that's just a calendar, and you can just go up to it and tell it to play music or whatever.

It's the Amazon one, right? Yes. This is it, yeah. I used it. I told it to play public radio the other day, and it did. Nice. And it said, you must be smart. And I said, yes, I am.

But it also has got their calendar on it, and it's reminding them they've got to go to someone's wedding in Capri, Italy. Yeah, that's where they are. So clearly what happened was they were like, we're going to be out of town for a couple of weeks. Why wouldn't we recoup some of the cost? We have this beautiful home. It's sitting empty, which is all great. but i think in trying to sort of like keep their beautiful home intact they they need to like dial back or or even just and john you were saying this when you looked at the folder the other day page one shouldn't be all the things you shouldn't do literally you open it and i forget what the exact thing is but there's like a very stern message the first thing that you see when you

open the folder it's literally like a bullet point list of don't and it starts off don't do this yeah

And, you know, EBSA, effing-lutely, don't do this, don't go in the garage and all that. But here's the deal. I'm with you. Like, I've stayed in Airbnbs. I haven't stayed in very many. But, you know, the ones I have stayed in, it's presented to you like this is your space for this number of days that you paid for.

It's like there's usually a pamphlet for whale watching.

Right. And this is, hey, you're staying in our space energy. And, like, don't F around with this and don't F around with that. And it's like, I mean, I opened a drawer not to go snooping.

That's literally one of the things. Don't open any drawers.

And like the sinks in the bathroom are strange. Like I stopped it up by pushing the little, you know, the drain stopper down. But there's no like lever to pull it back up again. It's weird. There's just a design flaw in there. So I went in the cupboard underneath so that I could like push, you know, have you ever done that before? You push the lever up from underneath. And it's just like a big red sign in here. This is the owner's stuff. Get out of here. And it's like, I don't want to be going through your stuff either. Um, but there's like a, all the drawers are labeled. This is owner stuff, like little stuff on the outside. Like it is uncomfortable. However, I'm not sure what you, are you ever planning on renting this place again?

I probably not just because this would be more space than I would need. Although I do love this neighborhood.

It's a great neighbor, but I'm just saying that like my, I get strong. We've been burned before energy from all of these notes that like they, I don't you get the impression that they've come home to find something in some manner that they're that they don't like and so therefore this is a reaction to that stuff or do you think this was all preventative

in the first place you know i don't actually know i don't know the answer to that um but either way i guess i mean you're right it has no impact on my life going forward but i almost just because he was so nice when i asked if i could use the printer because i was like hey is it cool if i use your printer which honestly i only asked because i didn't need to learn how to get on

the printer right you would you know me asked otherwise no i would have taken the printer back

to seattle if i thought i could get away with it but um owner's printer and he would but he was like oh yeah totally like and here's how you do it like so i i guess the thing i'm trying to fix for is i think this is a really nice person yeah who just doesn't understand what the the vibe that they're like they don't understand how they're coming off and if somebody nicely said oh hey you know what this is kind of how this feels it might actually just help them present the place better to other people although again it has no bearing on me although i'm telling you if i lived in denver i think this is the neighborhood i want to live in love with and there are so many great neighborhoods in denver i can't believe it like so yesterday uh we had a little downtime in the afternoon between the show and and the the nighttime zoom thing and it was just like a beautiful day so i was like i'm gonna just go for a little walk see what's up and i go out and there's this um i don't even know what the name of it is but there's this kind of sort of dryish river bed that has these great like paths pathways on either side of it and it's just actually a very cool kind of use of urban space and i'm just like walking in the sun and it goes from where we are all the way down to city park if you take it it's like four miles but so i'm walking and it's like i'm listening to my music on my headphones and i'm just like enjoying myself and i'm just i walk by it there's like a rivian facility which is those electric trucks that are like super fancy i'm seeing these like i've never even seen it before it's like a sprinter van but it looks like it's out of a pixar movie and it's like it's part of the rivian facility like i don't they don't sell them it's like the people that work there are driving but it's clearly electric and it's i'm like this is the future and then i walk by there's a high school and it's all i don't i mean is it already graduation time it is yeah they have all the chairs set up on the lawn and there's like a couple of parents there with balloons and they're getting ready for the kids to come out there's like the smell of of grass that the like you know sprinklers have been sprinkling and so then i'm walking i start to get like a little bit thirsty and i'm like okay huh this is there's not a lot of stores around where i was i'm just walking and i'm seeing you know people are rollerblading by and also it's just beautiful and i'm kind of like god i could really go for like some water or something and then what do i come upon a popsicle truck when's the last time you saw a popsicle truck in the wild like a what kind of popsicle did you get i actually ended up getting a um a rainbow because they didn't have water the guy was very interesting the guy who was driving the popsicle truck i was like do you sell water he's like i don't he goes i'm really sorry he goes what i used to do because people would be hot is i would i'm just buy a thing of water and give it out to people then my boss said you can't do that you've got to stick to the menu my thought was well your boss should add water to

the menu yeah right you think you'd sell a lot of water yeah exactly also stop telling your boss

everything well and you're out there in the truck he was a super sweet dude but he was giving me this really long story on why they didn't sell water so then i was trying to find the popsicle that

was most like water when melted exactly you don't want something that is like a fruit bar with pulp

right i want something that's going to turn into kool-aid when i finish it so i got like one of

those rocket so was it a single like one of the single thin ones or was it the big ones we used to have as kids where it's like kind of ridged and hard to eat like a big thick that kind really Yes. Were you, you are like me in this way that we don't like to feel like stickiness all over our face and hands. How did you do with that?

I, well, first of all, it was super cold, which was great. Like I got, like it had been, I don't know if the guy had liquid nitrogen or what, but like I pulled that thing out and it was just like, oh, it was so cute too, because I'm chatting with him and there's a line of kids forming behind me from the neighborhood because they have heard the song and I'm like, actually, you know what? I could, I have a picture on my phone of the popsicle truck. Maybe that could be the show pick today. But anyway, there's like these little kids. And I mean, little, I don't know what they are, seven, eight, nine or something. And they have come around from the neighborhood because they hear the music. And I'm like this adult who's steady. I love that. Rapping with the dude in the popsicle truck.

And so I said, kids are waiting while this old man is like buying your pops.

So I'm like, OK, I'll take this popsicle. And then I know it's a great day for this, isn't it? Or something. And this little girl goes, sure is. There's a little girl behind me was like, I feel you, man. this is a good this is the perfect day for for a popsicle truck so like that was great so then i just i get my popsicle i keep and i'm basically i'm eating it very fast i'm biting it oh yeah of course that has to be on the good side yeah yeah i have like two teeth that can still work with a popsicle and not create immediate pain so i'm eating the popsicle i'm walking it's kind of slaking my thirst a little bit it's sort of working but then i realize i've now gotten like maybe three miles from where we are now and it's warm i don't really feel like walking three miles back so i'm kind of like how am i going to solve this and then there's a scooter lime scooter just randomly parked in this neighborhood which i walk up to it it was one of those moments where i mean there's so many things about technology uh that uh it can be frustrating or ways that technology really pulls us apart as people you know we talk about social media and the internet but there are also sometimes those moments where you just like everything integrates in this very seamless way like i walk up to this lime scooter in the middle of a random neighborhood in denver i scan it with my phone my the app opens because i have an account it asked me if i want to just use my apple pay i go click yes it lights up and i just get on the lime scooter and now i'm just tooling around denver on this scooter and i'm and they've got a lot of really protected areas so i came back via the kind of um the river whatever that was area so that was great because it's wide um and i wasn't afraid of getting hit by a car or hitting a person so i could kind of go fast but it felt like it was very safe and contained then i was just zooming around our neighborhood then i went over to 7-eleven and i got a vitamin water because i was still kind of thirsty and it was just like

the perfect day in denver i don't want to get off track because we have we have a phone caller we don't know if this has felt on track to anyone so far we could do some dazzling donors but later on maybe next week we should talk about this you're talking about the teeth and like you've mentioned a couple of times on the show that like you know you have a good side the bad I always thought that, like, you can't really go to the dentist too much as far as this, like, preventative health is concerned, right, or preventative medicine. But I think I might be going to the dentist too much because my new hygienist is, like, straight up ragging on me for how much I go to the dentist now. Wait, what? Yeah, right? That doesn't seem right, right? He's laughing at me.

He is telling you you're coming here too often.

Well, he's just kind of like, man, you really like coming here, don't you? Coming here all the time. I'm just like, oh, I'm really scared. I've never had a cavity or anything and I'm really scared of having a cavity and I went through I guess we'll talk about it now but I'll make it quick I went through a period in my life where because I used to go to the dentist at least once a year I don't know what my schedule was but then I think when I was between jobs or something I didn't have health insurance and so I went like a full believe it or not five years without going to the dentist at all and I still didn't get any cavities or anything but like you know I had a lot of build-up and so I had to go in for some pretty you know just kind of intense cleanings and stuff and they really believe it's called sub gingival scaling exactly and i had like my gums were um not what they should they weren't very healthy because

of all of that so that first time so i moved to seattle i had a job um and so i started going to this place called simply dental and they've been my dentist ever since this is like years ago now and because i had so much build up they said listen we're gonna have to do this in in chunks and we're gonna have you coming in for a little bit on a four time a year schedule just to take care of this and you'll be glad you did because your teeth are still fine but let's let's take

care of this back in your days of smoking the occasional cigarette which also can be

challenging for the for the chompers that's a good point too so anyway so back then i got in the habit of going four times a year now i've scaled that back to three times a year but when i go it's not that bad going to the dentist because there there's not that much to clean they do a cleaning and it's it's not that tough on me and and also because i did have that you know that kind of scary situation with some stuff they found inside my mouth when i was a smoker i like having somebody put eyes on that every now and then make sure i don't have anything grown in there that shouldn't be right yeah it's a gross way of putting it but it is what it is but um anyway so i'm like kind of proud of myself thinking like still no cavities i'm 46 i'm 45 you're 46 stop stop making me older luke um but uh now i have this new hygienist and i've seen him like three times now and he's always like kind of he's always laughing at me kind of saying boy you really love to come here huh blah blah blah you i'm just like dude i'm just trying to take care of myself he's like well we love it but i i feel like um i feel like once the dentist is making fun of you for coming to the dentist's office too much you might be you might be a redneck can i can

i just try to um make you feel better about this andrew uh that guy sounds like a jabroni it's it's the dentist it's not like you're going into uh you know get like a big mac three times a day and the guy at mcdonald's right like hey you're like big macs it's like that guy he sounds like

real jamoke yeah they well they he's a nice enough guy and they do have big macs at my

dentist's office one of the reasons if andrew's a good boy they give him a big mac as a reward exactly he was very brave during the fluoride part of the uh visit they give me a double

quarter pounder no cheese and a cigar it's great dental as planned i have to say though i am because

i grew up without health insurance and we only very occasionally went to the dentist i'm i'm lucky that i have my teeth or i have some i mean i've had cavities over the years but my teeth i talk about like having my good side and my bad side i i feel like at 46 i am pretty lucky that i don't have i've never had a root canal i think i got of okay genetics when it comes to my my teeth thankfully and i'm very very meticulous now like i floss probably three times a day i love those floss picks they're just like so easy like my whole relationship with flossing has radically changed from starting from using those floss picks because it used to be like do i want to get out the floss do i want to measure my arm length do i want to wrap it around my finger on a walker you know but those things are just so easy you measure your arm length i never heard that when i was a kid you know that was what they told you was you measure an arm length of dental floss really kids arm length or now as an adult your arm length well my teeth have also gotten bigger john that's a good point when you when i was a kid you know and they would like teach you like even in school i think you know like the probably the dentist or dental hygienist would come around to the class and say like this is how you do these things or whatever and i remember it was you measure an arm length of floss that's why nba players famously go through one roll a day kambi mutombo uses two boxes per day but um so i floss a lot and i brush a lot and i have one of those uh you know sonicare toothbrushes now so i'm trying to stay on it but i have to say it is not ingrained in me to visit the dentist or it's because i didn't grow up go i we went to the dentist but we didn't go like every six months for our checkup it wasn't on a regular schedule because it was the public health dentist and it was probably hard to get in and they were probably also not you know they were probably not going to like be overly careful with the laughing gas or the anesthetic or whatever it was just probably not the top shelf dental care that one could get peace it was like the doctor's

office in the uh in the first batman movie they gesture around and they say you see what i have

to work now that's i actually i want to walk that back a little bit only because people that are working in public health and people like that are a dentist you know um sort of uh working with a community of people that don't have insurance that's god's work so i don't want to even put it on the people that were there at the public health dentist i just know that it wasn't a thing it was never sort of was never instilled in me that you go to the dentist every six months or every year yeah and so i have to remember that and in fact i need to get a dentist in portland because i don't have one yet yeah and i think everything's fine but it's just like you said But when I came back to Seattle after living in New York for a while, New York and D.C., and I never had a regular dentist in those places, and I went to the dentist, that's how I know the term subgingival scaly because it was the exact same thing. They were like, okay. It wasn't like my mouth was gross. I've always been a teeth brusher, but there's just a level of cleaning.

You need it every now and then.

They do. They get into stuff you can't get into. And I remember the dentist just going.

Okay, this is going to be like a three-day process, and they literally numbed my gums because they had to go that ham on the situation.

Yeah, luckily, I don't think I got to that point, but I got to say, I mean, all kidding aside from this hygienist who teases me, I love my dentist so much. I think I've told you this before that I was living in L.A. and just missing so many things about Seattle, And then when we finally got the kind of got the news, Genevieve basically was offered this job and negotiated this job back up in Seattle. And Vives and I realized we are definitely moving back to Seattle. I remember there were two things I did. One thing was I touched base with my friends at Cairo Radio and said, I can do fill in work again. And the other thing I did was I called my dentist's office and I said, I'm back, baby. Let's get something on the books.

I think it's great that we've been able to spend this final Friday of the TV Chalethon talking about subgingival scaling. And really, I think really showing people, really demonstrating some sort of proof of concept as to why this is something that everybody should be supporting with their donations. What would you like to do, Andrew? Would you like to take a call or would you like to thank some dazzling donors?

I think we should. Let's take a call now because I've had the phone line open for quite some time. And somebody's been on hold for almost 10 minutes now. I don't know who this person is, but they're calling from the 541. Hello. Hi, who's this?

Hi, this is Kevin.

Hi, Kevin. Where are you at?

I am in Springfield, Oregon.

Oh, beautiful. Springfield, Oregon. That's about how far outside of Portland?

About an hour and a half.

Okay.

Yeah. Have you seen like Bart Simpson lately by any chance?

Oh, dear God. Do you know Springfield? I believe Springfield is the most common. I think that might be the most common city name in America. That's why they chose it, I think. Didn't we look that up? Do you know, Kevin, do you know anything about that? Is Springfield a pretty common thing?

Yeah. I mean, as far as like the Simpsons go, I just mean as far as there's a lot of towns.

I figure if you live in Springfield, maybe you've done, you've gone to the Springfield Wikipedia page, like just for how common it is as a city name.

I don't know anything about that, but when they were doing the contest for the movie, you know, They asked everyone, a lot of people in town. And, I mean, as far as I know, Springfield, Oregon is the place that they...

The contest for the movie. What was the contest for the movie?

Which Springfield would premiere the Simpsons movie.

Oh. Did you all win?

No.

What's going on over there right now? Are you at a daycare? Are you at some puttering going on?

uh it's my my son and my wife and my cat tom sling uh his name's tom hanks my son's name is river oh it's like so river for river phoenix uh no uh river for river um okay that's fair

my wife named him that's a good name i like that yeah so um how long you been listening to the

show kevin oh uh let's see 2015 um oh baby how'd you hear about it uh my friend uh marissa

um you guys talk about her sometimes in maryland uh in cleveland oh okay yeah yep yep yep

and she told you about the show what was the sales pitch like what did she say to try to get you

into this universe uh it's the same thing everyone says when they try and tell people about tbcl

hunky two two real hunks massive sex appeal

well the funny thing was uh she came to visit us we were living in bellingham at the time oh yeah and she she came to visit us and she goes all right i need to go to alabama hill don't ask me why and we went to and we're like what's going on and and so we went to the the falls over there yeah whatcom falls yeah whatcom falls and uh she's like i'm walking where luke walked that's funny so i started listening because of her and

well that's that no wait a second i want to back up kevin because you said i said what was the sales pitch and you said what everyone says but i don't know what everyone says what is the sales pitch that is commonly given around this show um let's see how how would i pitch it you know

um i don't know it's just it's uh it's not it's not a normal it's not your normal podcast

It's not your normal podcast

Um, and you know, it takes a while to get, get into the, the jokes, the inside jokes.

Yes.

When I first started listening, I, you know, I didn't really understand what, what you guys are talking about. And, um, I was talking to Marissa and she's like, just give it time. Just give it time.

We may need to hire Marissa as some sort of brand ambassador because that's a very, like I'm, I'm impressed that she like, I'm, you know, I, I'm flattered and, and, um, mildly shocked that she wanted to walk in the footsteps of lb and walkham falls park that's very flattering um but then the fact she got you to stick with it and listen and actually like you know stick

with this thing is kind of impressive yeah she actually came to visit um well in october and she she bought she had the sound machine and so she brought it with her and we were kind of

geeking out over the sound machine nice nice your kids love that too right how old are your kids or

kid uh my my son is about 16 months old oh congratulations yeah it's actually my wife's birthday today too hey what's her name heather heather all right well happy blurs day to heather

she's a cuyahoga clam oh nice okay so you guys got a lot of cleveland roots

all right kevin she grew up in berea oh yeah is there anything we're gonna we're gonna do some dazzling donor messages here is there anything else that you other than i mean and By the way, I hope Heather gets I hope you get some serious points with Heather for getting a day of birthday Blur's Day message on. Yeah. Anything else you wanted to ask us or talk about before we before we get to these donor messages?

No, just one thing. I was I was trying to call in and I told her, I said, hey, I'm trying to call into the hotline because they're doing it live today. And she goes, what are you going to talk about?

how about your birthday honey yeah yeah exactly well kevin thanks man thanks for calling in and

happy birthday to your wife all right thanks all right take care all right cheers all right now luke would you like to i would like to can i dazzle you please we was hoping for some razzle

how is this how is this not being pulled by you that's right man razzle dazzle i think it's funny because we have talked at length and endlessly and at this point unnecessarily about the getting flagged by YouTube stuff. But I do think it's yet again a snapshot of the difference in your personality and my personality or kind of the way that our brains are. And I think that there's pros and cons to both approaches. But on Monday, I think, after we got quote-unquote in trouble for whatever it was that we played, I think the message that YouTube sent you was you cannot monetize this stream that was the warning was like the punt the penalty is you can't put an ad up before this and make money because there's something in here that is somebody else's intellectual property or copyrighted property and we of course have no plans to monetize the youtube stream we're not going to put an ad on it we're not let's get yeah each one gets like 300 views or something so i was like well that's well who cares then they're not there's no way that we're going to um try to make money off of the youtube so and you were like yeah but what if that's the yellow light and what if too many yellow lights equal a red light and i wasn't

totally wrong on that either so it was words by doves that we got flagged with the first time and so what we ended up doing was just like fading it out quicker so like we sacrificed 10 extra seconds of words by doves at the end of the show but because we've been continually flagged throughout the week something happened yesterday that startled me which is our entire our entire feed has it wasn't just like individual videos were no longer to be able to be monetized now I have a red light on the whole feed. So you were totally right. Well, we're still broadcasting. That's why I kind of am a little bit more relaxed about it today. But clearly, like, now, like, there's a part when you're setting up the feed where you're kind of, like, filling out some information. It's like, buddy, don't even fill out this information. You're not allowed to do that anymore.

We're getting close to being on a no-fly list.

Yeah, but, I mean, I think it's fine. Again, like, I'm chill today, but I just, on Monday night, didn't want to sacrifice our whole TV telephone.

And that was the right approach, and I'm glad we went with that because here we are on Friday. Also, we don't have to monetize the video because we have dazzling donors.

Yeah, what they don't know is we have monetized this.

Folks like Ben Neal, who's in Tacoma, Washington. Ben. Ben says, so, the jig is up. My wife asked me why I was donating so much money to APM. I explained. And although there was some perplexation, there was also acceptance. I will once again avoid plugging my family business. Sorry, Dad. I guess this is a running thing. that Ben has been not plugging the family business. Oh, okay. Maybe, I mean, would that soften your wife to the idea of this whole thing? Yeah, but I use it to plug the family business.

Everybody find out what Ben Neal's family business is and support it. Patronize them.

Yes. For anyone who's thinking about becoming a dazzling donor, since becoming a dazzling donor, I've gotten both married.

Married and bought a house. Coincidence? Definitely. But still, if I hadn't, maybe I would still be single and living in a rented basement. This is airtight causality in my mind, Ben. Ben used to be single and was living in a basement rental and now is married to a lovely person who carefully pours over their finances. keeping the whole you know financial ship afloat and uh they uh they've bought a house together that's amazing i think that's directly attributable to tbtl uh ben says well technically the world may never know results may vary but thanks for everything you guys do i know this 10 greatly

appreciates it yeah and i think there's a lesson in this because um you know veves and i will sometimes talk about like hey i'm going to donate to this thing and we usually hash it out in advance And sometimes we just do it and tell each other later. But if you do want to donate to TBTL, especially generously like a dazzling donor, which is certainly a dazzling amount of dough, as Luke likes to say, I understand that is a commitment. And sometimes you don't want to have to explain it. That's why you create secret bank accounts, right? I just feel like that's one thing that maybe our listeners should consider doing is just create an account and tell your partner that it's so that you can buy them gifts without spoiling it. But then you give the money to us. Yes. And you give them a sound machiner.

It's a gift to them for you to be in a good mood. Right. Right. Which you will be because you love TBTL. So, I mean, this is, again, this is just ABC, right? This is Bob's your uncle. You create a secret account. You use that money to donate to TBTL. You have a generally good feeling from listening to the show. You are then more lovely to your spouse. Everybody wins. Exactly. That is, in effect, a gift to them.

That is ABC. Always be creating fake bank accounts You can give your money to TBTL I mean, it's classic ABC

Hey, on the subject of various donations That are going around An anonymous TBTL listener, donor, supporter Did something really amazing this week, Andrew Can you kind of talk about that a little bit?

Yeah, and speaking of this person Who doesn't want their name shared Recently It was me This person has already been a long-time donator To the program But recently upped their donation too be a dazzling donor and that was earlier in the week and then of course the the tragedy the disgusting tragedy that happened in texas happened and um it it made a lot of us um turn to organizations like sandy hook promise and every town for gun safety because we want to try to do something to stop this senseless violence in the future and you and i had talked about that on the show a little bit luke and we sent out an email with links to those organizations and we said hey listen this is not necessarily a time where we feel like we should be fundraising for tbtl at least on that day because there's something huge going on in society right now and so we have a this newly minted dazzling donor said I also want to on behalf of the TBTL community donate very generously to both of those organizations and I think the idea there is there might be some people in our audience right now who don't have endless means obviously nobody has endless means and they might be struggling saying hey I want to keep TBTL going I want to keep on donating to tbtl or donate for the very first time but now i feel very conflicted should i give to one of these organizations should i give to tbtl not everybody can give to both not everybody can give to either you know and so this amazing human being this amazing family gave a one thousand dollar donation split amongst both of those organizations on behalf of you the tbtl community so that was really amazing they want to remain anonymous but like man um just email me and i'll tell you who it was no just joking just joking but uh just incredibly incredibly generous and important thing and it just reminds me what a special community this is

exactly like this is i mean uh even by the standards of tbtl generosity which are uh pretty high that's an amazing thing to do to say like i know this is the week we're trying to raise money for this thing whatever but it's like also there are other hugely important things going on in the world and by that i mean the support of organizations that help people who are survivors and victims of gun violence and and and events like that like for somebody to kind of put it all together and to say i'm going to support those as a way of also supporting tbtl or at least helping some people if if like you said andrew uh they don't maybe have the resources to do both we're going to take a little pressure off of you just know that as a group as a tens community y'all have made in effect a really substantial donation to these very very worthy

organizations yeah absolutely and also quick shout out to our to our friends at american public media who not only like not only allowed us to kind of switch the message there but suggested that we do you know what i'm thinking of our colleague emily who who suggested that and like that's a really big deal when you're a professional when you're a professional fundraiser and sitting next to a professional fundraiser right here in john and your your whole reason for being i mean professionally is to raise money for an organization but you realize in a moment that right now we need to shift our focus onto something else and ask people to give money to something else like

that's really special it's not in the handbook yeah it's not like day one of a public radio fundraising school they don't go what you really want to try to do is include a link to a different organization exactly during the week you're trying to raise money of course it was not a hard call because it was the obvious thing to do.

But, I mean, it's nice to work for an organization that has those values for sure.

Yes, hugely, hugely. Maestro.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattles down.

Let's also thank Dazzling Donor Dave Bratt in Oakland. Dave says, I've got two quick requests for you. Neither one of these are quick.

I mean, I love you and I appreciate the Dazzling, but I just want to let everybody know, neither one of these are quick.

Okay, first, could you help me figure out when I started listening to the show? I missed the chance to confirm the details of my genesis with Brendan Francis Noonan, my TBTL progenitor. You ran ads on the Dinner Party download at some point. I had no idea. Andrew, you and I, well, I don't want to put you on blast. I constantly complain about how much we're not synergizing with the APM shows as much as we could.

No, I mean, we've been with APM for seven years, and we've had seven promos.

But the seven promos appeared to have kind of worked. We heard from somebody the other day who said that they heard about us on Splendid Table. Dave heard about us on Dinner Party Download. I remember the first few episodes I listened to involved Luke talking about water damage in the basement of Burbank Springs that he discovered soon after he'd moved in.

See, this is where I'm wracking my brain here.

And this is my fault because I should know the timeline of my life more. Okay, so we started the show in 2008. and at that time i lived on an apartment in capitol hill then got a house in mount baker and and and then we did the show we got fired from the radio show um like 18 months in maybe a year and a half or so in a little bit more and so that would have made it 2010 then i would say around 2012 maybe we moved to port townsend when did schubert dip come out then about i you know know what i'm sorry dave i can't help you i am i like i don't understand people who are able to say like oh i was this old when this happened or it was in i it was 2012 like i just do not i and this dave again thank you so much for the support i love you but like i am the worst person to ask this kind of question because i just somehow i don't track my life in those terms like but i mean i've had some pretty big i know my daughter was born in 1994 i know i get divorced about every six years uh that's i know this radio show started in 2008 i only learned that recently like i don't know how long i've been doing live wire i don't know how long i've worked at cbs

sunday morning well i can tell i'm piecing this together based on a clue we just heard look at this encyclopedia encyclopedia brown stuff because i was reading this earlier and i basement flood yeah not just that but earlier we were talking with the caller who called in whose name i'm already blanking my apologies um the person we just kevin who we just spoke with he said that he's been listening since 2015 he also said that he was introduced but by it because he had a friend visiting bellingham yes um who wanted to walk the places where you had walked which isn't weird at all the most messianic i've ever felt right exactly just wanted to touch the robes yes there's the hem the hem of my robe but he put that at 2015 which means you must have already have been in Bellingham at 2015. I don't think you would have been in Bellingham much sooner than that. So I'm starting to think 2015. This person also goes on to give some clues from my life, and I've got to say, none of this gets me any closer either, if that makes you feel any better, Luke.

I remember from those first episodes also that Andrew had recently traveled to Cleveland to attend a friend's wedding. I correctly surmised at the time that this would be the dynamic of the show, with Andrew traveling around the country, calling Luke to check in about life back in the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, that's exactly right. And generally just leaning into his road warrior lifestyle. Yep, that's me. That's a pretty good spoof, Dave. Yep, yep. Okay, anyway.

So I'm saying 2015-ish, probably.

I think that's a pretty good guess. Let's go with 2015, Dave. If anybody asks you, and we'll back you up on this story. It was 2015.

I'll swear to it, man.

I'll swear to it. Okay, also, if there's still time remaining, could you make a very happy Dazzler by either devoting a few on-air minutes to getting started on your annual IT security training? Or by playing my favorite voicemail jingle. Thanks, fellas. You're the best. Now, Dave also says, Andrew, on the off chance, you don't know what my favorite jingle is. I'd love it if Dave would have not included the follow-up.

really quick background on this. There was a time where you and I were really promoting our voicemail line. Now, this is the same number that you're calling into right now to talk to us live. But before we were able to take live phone calls, we just encouraged people to call the line. And at some point, I'm sure on the fly, we encourage listeners to come up with little jingles, either call in by phone and sing a little song, including the phone number to call to help people remember it. Some people got pretty elaborate and brought out their acoustic guitars and sent us songs. And And so we have way more of those than I think either one of us remembered, Luke. I went through the archives yesterday.

We should ask for more of them, though.

Yeah, sure.

I mean, you can't have too many.

When you hear how good this one is, you're going to be very inspired, I think.

Yeah, like it's just fun to have, you know, the more of those we have to go to, the more fun it'll be. But Dave says, the one that he's talking about, I'm talking about the one with something like the following lyrics. The Cobros are waiting for a voicemail from you. so something something if you've got something to say to andrew and luke well it's v-mail time i've got the voicemail line for tbtl i've got the voicemail line so remember it well are any of those

lyrics consistent with the song they did not ring a bell to me because i i thought i'm like i thought he was talking about a couple of different ones and i was i was like ah that doesn't sound right and last night or a couple of nights ago i went through a whole bunch of them and i tracked down the one he is talking about i remember this jingle because it is amazing i mean i was floored when this was sent in from listener lani um but i didn't remember the lyrics so much maybe i was just so impressed with the instrumentation of it so i'm going to play this for you this is the voicemail that dave is looking for and yes he got the lyrics very right i had just sort of forgotten i had forgotten what the lyrics were but this is the jingle that dave wanted to hear dave is our dazzling donor today so dave gets what dave wants here it is lonnie's voicemail jingle

the cobras are waiting for a message from you so call up and put it on the line if you've got something to say to andrew and luke it's female time i got the voicemail line for tbtl i got the voicemail line so remember it well it's 206-414-tvtl that's 206-414-tvtl But if you're shy, you can always send an email

That is so beautiful! Amazing! That is, I said this last night when you were playing, the intense Kimya Dawson vibes for me, who's a singer I love, who sometimes plays with the moldy peaches. Like, that is, Lonnie, I don't know if you're still listening, but please, if you're ever inspired again, send us more content. Like, I would listen to whatever, do we know anything else about Lonnie's musical career? I don't know.

I honestly don't, but I'd be interested in definitely, I mean, because Lonnie clearly is a musician, right? So Lonnie's got to have something else out there. I want to listen. I'm a fan.

Thank you, Lonnie. And thank you also, Dave, for supporting the show. Yeah. Hey, should we take another call before we get out of here?

Yeah, we got somebody who's been on the line here for quite a bit of time. It looks like this call is coming from Boston, or at least somebody who once lived there.

Ahoy, ahoy. Hi, you're on TBTL.

Hi, guys. It's Alicia, and I am so sorry.

Oh, wait. wait wait wait uh did we play the voicemail from you earlier this denver you sent me the denver the last oh that was you were the denver the last dinosaur person that was me that was me that was that's days of content don't feel bad we're the bad boys of public radio we don't care if we

run afoul of youtube well it's been stuck in my head for about 34 years so you'll be good you'll

be good in like the late 2050s it sounds like it hasn't left your head though like how do we know

there's an end game here that's a good question that's a good question i i don't have a good

answer here's here's my question alicia where did this cartoon rank for you in terms of your favorite cartoons did you just have a catchy song did you just think of it because of we're in denver or was it also a cartoon that you legitimately liked was it good

you know it's so funny the song is what looms the largest for me and i i have a memory of watching it in in a friend's basement like rumpus room kind of thing but i honestly don't remember much about that show but the song is just so darn catchy that it just will never leave my head i went to a conference in denver a few months ago and as soon as i started booking my flights and things the song started going through my head and it just hasn't left and i i don't know if it ever

will i gotta say it's not a bad song especially the version that's been going through my head i I mean, I don't know if I love the instrumentation. I wonder if listener Lonnie could do a cover of that song for us that we're allowed to play.

Would we be allowed to play it? Right, exactly.

Ooh, ooh, a lo-fi Denver. I love it.

Yeah. So what kind of conference were you going to in Denver?

No, it wasn't conference. That would have been more fun. No, conference, like a work conference.

Yeah, what kind of conference? What kind of work do you do?

Sorry, I thought you said conference. So I'm actually a professional fundraiser, so it was a fundraising conference.

Are you coming for me here, Alicia? What's going on? Watch your back, Sklaroff.

No, no, but I have so much respect for what you guys do in general, but particularly this week i thought the way you handled things on wednesday was really was really spectacular too

well done john and emily and and you guys thank you what what sort of thing do you raise funds is a specific um organization or is it do you just kind of consult with people at the moment um i work

for a school um it's actually a high school that i went to um myself it's my alma mater but i've worked for different organizations in both education and in social service and advocacy

advocacy so kind of all over the place is this in boston yes is it like a is it like a independent

school or a private school of some kind yes exactly it's an independent high school nice how did you hear about tbtl i through wait wait and i remember it was um david simon was the guest and you were giving him a hard time and i love that i just thought that was i had to hear more of that i think he you you were introduced and he groaned or something and i was just like all I got to hear more from this guy.

Oh, my gosh. That's so that that makes me feel really good because that show is, you know, I'm a very, very, very small cog in the wheel of that show. But to hear that maybe if I get off one funny response, it could drive at least one person to look up TVTL. That's like that's good. That gives me some inspiration to try to, you know, I don't know what, just be mildly entertaining on that show. Now, do you know that did you ever hear when we actually got David Simon on TVTL after that?

God, I don't remember. Was it just a few weeks after then? No, it was this.

It was an epic journey. I want to tell you two things about David Simon. And I can say this part because there's no way someone's going to guess it. But I will tell you this. David Simon has an AOL account, which is, first of all, just amazing in the modern era. But I was able to finagle his email address from someone who knew him. Actually, a journalist who'd worked at the Baltimore Sun with him, who I then had worked with. but I, you know, obviously a huge fan of the wire and homicide and all that David Simon stuff. And so I thought, because I had been on wait, wait with him, maybe we were kind of like, we cool now. And so I got his AOL email and I emailed him. I was like, Hey, it's the guy from wait, wait. And this is when I was in super duper hardcore trying to get famous people or interesting people to be on TBTL mode, because I thought maybe this is the path to success for us. Later I learned it would just be, um, you know, talking about uh hr problems at the place we work yeah and other there's a time when you wanted to

get really interesting people on the show then you just put me on the show and oh andrew um but

then my dentist said to me no go ahead so then uh i emailed him and he was very uninterested and then he said uh he was just like no thanks no i'm not interested okay so then i heard him on alec baldwin's podcast and he said something in passing to alec baldwin he said if anyone calls me to talk about court reform I go on I will go on their show so then I was like oh you done fucked up because I just found that email from like six years previous I emailed him and was like would you like to come on TVTL and talk about

court reform and you did reply to your

old email and then he was like you got me so then he totally came on the show we did talk about reforming the judicial system which is a very legitimate issue and something he knows a lot about and then of course we got out into like the wire and all this other stuff and did and he went there willingly he was yes he was lovely once we were talking i mean he's he's irascible he's sort of that kind of person who's you know always going to be a little bit grumpy but not in a mean way he was actually very nice and he was happy to like happy to expand on various topics but it was just funny that i basically caught him in a trap of his own making yeah right uttering on the air that he would have to go on a podcast if that was the topic um i have i have a couple of questions for

you out there in boston um alicia um they're all food related i'd like some check-ins now these are not all boston proper some are just boston area like what's the latest on charlie's kitchen have you been there recently have you gotten a double double or whatever they call the the double

hamburger double hot dog deal yeah i haven't been there the last time i was there was for the boston's meetup which was a while ago now um certainly pre-pandemic but it was great it was Great then. I haven't checked in on it since COVID, so I'm not sure.

How about any Anna's Taqueria visits? I believe Anna's have some of the best burritos on the East Coast. Are you familiar?

Yes, of course. Nice. And you can't go wrong there.

Nice. Absolutely. So you're keeping...

them in business as well i'm doing my best i'm doing my best okay eat another burrito eat a

burrito for me today and also now i don't know if this is bad news for sure or not but i had heard and this this might not be for everybody but rfo sullivan's famous for their giant burgers that are luke you'd hate them they're so thick well also you don't eat meat um but i loved them i used to get the chinatown burger and i'd say to vives forget it vives it's chinatown burger i

I mean, that's exactly where I would figure R.F. O'Sullivan's is where I get my Chinatown burger.

Well, they have all kinds of burgers, and that one, I believe, had some maybe teriyaki and pineapple on it. I don't recall the details. Are you familiar, and is it true, if you are familiar, that they may be closing or moving?

You know what? Now that you say that, that is where the Stens meetup was the last time. So that was the last time I was there. And I was confusing that with Charlie's. They're both filed in a – Andrew loves them. What about – So I was just mixing those up. I am not sure. I live a little bit south of the city, and that's north, and I have a three-year-old, so there's only so much out and about I can do.

What about legal seafood? I find it to be the weirdest name. Is there illegal seafood that was nearby?

Well, you know their tagline, Luke. If it isn't fresh, it isn't legal.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's a pretty good tagline. It is a strain. For me, and I'm with you, and I was never a big fan of that place. i'm not a big seafood person anyway but um it introduces the idea of something being off even

if you're it's like it protests too much right yeah exactly that's what uh and my guess is it started probably in a fish market down there you know because boston's famous for that kind of thing so yeah i think that's right well alicia what's your three-year-old's name natalie have you turned natalie on to denver the last dinosaur yet just passed the torch yeah but i'm i'm going

to for sure but she she is going through a dinosaur uh phase at the moment but it's so funny yesterday you mentioned blippy yeah who she was quite obsessed with for a while but i want to give you a little background on blippy that blew my mind when i was googling while watching with her so the guy's name is his the name is born with steven grossman uh-huh his name wasn't blippy it's not his government name as far as wikipedia would have you believe you never know people work hard on these things but before he became blippy he was a gross out comic and his name was stezy gross man that's what he went by which is both dumb and somehow vaguely anti-semitic yeah yeah there's a lot going on wrong there so but uh yeah i'm not gonna um go into what he became somewhat famous for as a gross out comic but wikipedia will tell you and it was rediscovered after he uh then became this um you know popular for little kids and he somehow sued and had it completely removed from existence this video of his uh gross out comic performance so

you know very weird it's so funny you bring that up because we had a couple of other listeners who sort of flagged that and sent it to us and it's just shocking to me that this guy blippy was able to i mean just sounds like a person who was trying very very hard to get clicks on youtube and was going with this one let's just say extremely scatological approach for a while and then that sort of didn't work out and then reinvented himself as this kind of kooky guy who wears a kooky hat and glasses and talks to kids and that that worked like it was like a person i I mean, he could be he could be doing martial arts on there. He could be doing, you know, unboxing video. It sounds like I mean, he was just a person who wanted to be. Listen, as a person who wants to be famous on the Internet, I speak from experience on this. He was just like looks like he was just trying anything that would work. But it's amazing that of all the people that would like to. And I'm assuming he's now making a lot of money because he's got a lot of people subscribed of all the people that would get that job. And there's so many people that are trying to do this and become YouTube influencers. There's the guy who also did something involving the Harlem shake and number twos was the guy that managed to emerge as one of the main kids entertainers. It's kind of shocking.

I completely agree. I think it's also pretty shocking that he somehow succeeded to get it almost completely removed from from existence aside from Wikipedia. But he's a huge deal now. There's dolls and games and merchandising. I mean, he became so popular that there are now a few other, like, imitation Blippies that he has sanctioned. So there's, like, one that has a Netflix show and one that tours. And it's very – in the mom's groups that I'm on, you know, Facebook and things, people, like, got their kids tickets to see Blippi live. And then they were so upset that it wasn't the actual Blippi.

It's like a Gallagher 2 situation. You bought a ticket for Gallagher. You got his brother. Uh-huh. Yeah. Do you – I know you probably have somewhere to be, Alicia, but we don't. So sorry, you just messed up by calling the show because now I just have a million questions. As a parent of a three year old, do you try to let her enjoy the content that I mean, appropriate content, but enjoy the music and TV shows and things that she enjoys? Or do you try to put your thumb on the scale a little bit? And I ask because I was so I was so uncool with my daughter about the she basically mostly got to watch and listen to whatever the thing is that I wanted to watch and listen to. like if there had been a blippy in those days and she tried to bring that into the apartment i'd be like that is not we are not watching blippy that is not happening yeah it's hard there have

definitely been ones and i mean there's so much more content available now than when we were kids i mean it goes without saying and you know if you don't pay attention and it's on netflix or prime or something it's just going to roll over to something new so it's a lot harder to um to to limit because you know they'll even have the little thumbnails and she'll point to things and say you You know, if there's another dinosaur or what have you.

Sure.

We definitely, there are a few that she has discovered in that way. And then we have gone on to Netflix and said, just hide this forever.

Does anything come to mind?

Well, Cocomelon is, I'm not a fan of.

That's a biggie right now, right?

Yeah. And there's a show called Crybabies. Like, why? Why do you call a show Crybabies?

What are they doing in there? Is it like rugrats? They're laughing.

Yeah, it's like discount rugrats, but they spend a lot of time whining and crying. But fortunately, you can just hide it, like erase it from your navigation.

Here's a description of crybabies on Netflix. Little babies with big personalities explore a magical world where their tears of love and happiness give them special powers. What the hell?

who are the ad wizards yeah not a parent no parent was like i know but children's tears are

just magical yeah i want to i want my kid to cry as much as possible thinking it might actually give them powers right the famously pleasant experience of your child crying anyway well alicia um we even though it like i said it got us ever so slightly in trouble with youtube we thank you for sending in that email and that link earlier this week because we've actually

had a lot of fun talking about it do you want to just um do you just want to sing a little bit of it get it maybe get it out of your head maybe try to exercise that earworm or is that too much

pressure i i can give it my best shot denver the last dinosaur that was good that's great that's

what's been going through my head that's wonderful you got some pipes thank you for doing it and

thanks for calling in and uh thanks for everything thank you guys no i love you and i'm i'm looking forward to my tonight pants when those will become my favorite you are gonna love these by

the way they are they're they're really really cool they turned out great yeah so i did want to

mention everybody thank you alicia for calling in and i did want to say because we weren't very specific before if you're curious how to donate it is friday it's officially the last day of uh the drive although we'll keep the donation links open for a little bit uh longer in case you in case it's next week and you you still want to get those tonight pants or the mad libs or what have you but um uh if you're hearing my voice today there's a very good uh possibility that an email just went out about 20 minutes ago from me from andrew walsh um i believe the subject line is the fun done begun fun done begun and there's some links in there that'll be especially for you whether you're somebody who's given before in the past or if you're somebody who hasn't given before and we also have a really great uh hey dummies video in there this week too with me and luke playing some uh nba jam so in luke and by playing and by playing i mean staring with confusion at

this at this sort of arcade setup because neither of us john of course was like i mean you were coaching last night that was really fun i actually felt like kind of a jerk standing over no it was

great i was learning i need to learn i need a i need a coach i need a coach like hey and also

there was nothing in the instructions at this airbnb that said we can't play nba jam yeah i'm kind of surprised about that i know right wouldn't you don't press the buttons too hard in fact don't press the buttons at all stay away from don't even look at it don't look at my game anyway um we uh we do have a hey dummies video that i think will be entertaining just fun also andrew when you and i get to be like in the same room yeah just that's everything this has been such a fun week uh just to get to and have john here as well just to kind of like hang out in this place and like not be on some internet connection that's kind of a little bit less you know i don't know personal and engaged So, yeah, I think that's going to kind of bring us to the end of this week of broadcasts. Thank you so much, everyone. I don't think there's very much else to say about the donations and the TBTL-a-thon, but I just want to say that we really appreciate you. And we feel really, really lucky that this is our job and that we get to do this. And it's only because of all of y'all. support and long-sufferingness and just, you know, love in the TBTL10s community on the Facebook. I've been on the Facebook page this week, which is, you know, rare for me, and just watching all the different kinds of fun things that people do and ways they interact and ways they help each other and lift each other up, as we now say. It's really incredible. So, thank you very much for helping us and letting this be a thing that we actually get to do five days a week. And, I'm guessing, John, do you think we get to do this for another year? Are you feeling confident? i don't want to be dire no yeah i think yeah i was like wait a minute is this really the last episode if it is we're going to play a lot more copyrighted music the generosity of the tens is really amazing thank you because you're kind of i mean you're you're not new to this but you you know you how long have you been on the case with the tbtl community well i've been a listener since

uh for a few years now but i started working officially on the show about six months ago or something it's just been six months well you've done a lot in six months like you know from a fundraising perspective like this is not blowing smoke like the generosity and support of this community is unparalleled and and i think it's you know we see it everywhere in the game nights in the chats like it's just a loving and great community that lifts each other up so

thank you everyone and thanks john you were so great this week having you here for the game nights and and tonight for trivia which you like we're super instrumental in like you've done a Great job. Thanks, bro.

All right. Speaking of, we'll see the rest of you who are here in Denver. We'll see you tonight. The fun begins at 7 p.m. Trivia night. So you can show up.

Local 46.

A little bit before that at Local 46 here in Denver. Yeah. All right.

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