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Tell me, what are you doing here?

Just a spot of fishing.

You don't like fishing?

Always been interested in it, yeah. Just never had the time. Just thought I'd try it, see if it helped with the old anger.

Yeah. As far as you see many angry fishermen, do you?

No, you don't. I just wanted to say good luck with all the yoga stuff you've been doing and personal development and three cheers and, you know, you've got my blessing, yeah.

Thanks. Faith, maybe you ought to try hot yoga. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do hot yoga. I will never do hot yoga. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. Hot yoga? Hot, hot yoga? No, never, never. T-B-T-L

hey somebody has run out on the field some goofball in a hat and a red shirt now he takes off the shirt he's running down the middle by the 50 he's at the 30 he's bare-chested and banging his chest now he runs the opposite way he runs at the 50 he runs at the 40 the guy is

drunk but there he goes he runs around the house all day naked chasing himself playing tag it's awful he screams at the cat because she didn't vote every time he farts he calls the fire

department sup guys heard the new rap cd yo i don't know what i dig more hip-hop crunk or serving my

country you know what happened next was you know they'd they'd open their mouth they'd speak they'd get laughed at they'd get called polacks and they didn't want to go through that and i also think

it wouldn't hurt you to talk to a therapist about your bathroom issues because there's clearly something going on there all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a tuesday edition of tbtl you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy the show that just might be too beautiful to live my name is luke burbank i'm your host coming to you from the hollywood broadcast center right here in portland oregon hey where's the freaking gabagoo where it was torrentially raining when i got up and didn't know you like to get wet though now i'm looking

outside and it's actually blue skies it's uh oh ma pa it's just beautiful it's really kind of a

combo platter. Didn't know you like to get wet dough.

It's just beautiful.

Oh my goodness. That's the kind of high quality audio entertainment you can expect here on episode 3,704 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Speaking of getting wet dough, I was taking a shower earlier today, not to brag,

and a cat is an angel that poops in a box.

Cat got in the shower with me. You gotta be kidding me. That was, I think, pretty much the last, you know, it's a standard apartment shower. So you're standing in a bathtub. I guess it was like two, maybe two feet by maybe six feet. That was the last two by six foot area of the apartment where the cat wasn't harassing me. Until this morning when she got in the shower with me. So, oh, speaking of the cat I got her a treadmill, which I was talking about on the show yesterday And it's actually working

It's working It's working

Her beef castle is just getting built She was going crazy on that treadmill yesterday It was awesome Really? I'm trying to build my beef castle? That's not primarily what we're here to talk about We're here to talk about top stories today Including sexy garbage cans In Sweden and a Space Needle lawsuit that has one interesting deet in it that I want to talk about. With my friend Andrew Walsh, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Oh, la la! He's doing the work. He's baby-stepping. And he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. Do you have a bathroom door? I think you should start closing the bathroom door. Do you know that literally never occurred to me? I'm not being sarcastic here's the thing I guess I was going to say you've been living alone for a while but maybe you don't ever close the bathroom door whether you're living alone or not I don't know I'm not an open bathroom door person if I'm living with someone else but here's the thing I think my you know what's it Maslow's hierarchy of needs Burbank's hierarchy of worries related to the cat the top the apex worry for me is her needing to go to the bathroom and not being able to get to her litter box which she's has great uh you know control of that thankfully uh as of right now she doesn't seem to have many accidents um so she could probably just

not use the litter box for the five minutes i'm in the shower but i think i instinctively always want to leave that because that's where her litter box is and i instinctively always want to leave that door open on the off chance that that's the moment that she realized she has to go but again i think she'll just hold it i've taken her on like three hour road trips now in the car oh by the way free roaming the car i think is probably over now she has discovered the dashboard too yeah she's

kind of big I love I love having cats cage free in the car I really hate putting cats in the carrier I know that it's best for them in a lot of ways but like I don't I used to love driving around with Theo sometimes he would just sit in on the bench seat between me and Genevieve other times as he got older and scared or he would like kind of crawl all over me like when we were driving just as short jaunt from Los Angeles to Seattle I remember Theo just death gripping me on my shoulder for about the first four hours but still though it was a bonding experience but your cat that was so athletic i think she'd kill you and then you'll end up crashing the car yeah we had

a good run there early on because she was really small and she would basically sort of uh explore the back seat a little bit uh and the the way back there's like a i don't know what you call that it's not a trunk because the car is kind of a crossover suv but she would sort of investigate and then she would generally ignore me and then after about five, ten minutes she would get back in her carrier which would, like the flap was open and she'd just go to sleep. It was kind of adorable. But she's just so curious now and active and also, yeah, has discovered her jumping skills that, I mean, one concern was her going under my feet but actually she really never did that and also I have this kind of adaptive cruise control on the car if I'm on the freeway. I don't even use my feet on the brakes or gas. I set the speed, and then I control it from the steering wheel. So that actually made me feel less concerned about that. But yeah, yesterday I was driving to the bank, and she was in the car, and she just got up on the dashboard behind the GPS screen and then got in front – was just sitting directly, crouched directly in front of me. I want to say crouched cream. Easy. You know, and she didn't do anything, but it just felt, it felt dangerous to me. It felt perilous. So I just, unfortunately, I think, I think she cannot free range in the car anymore. I'm still going to bring her a lot of places because I just like having her with me. And I, she, she's very chill in the carrier. After that, I did put her, I put her in the carrier. I did take a picture and I put it on the internet because I'm the world's thirstiest cat dad. And then I put her in the carrier and then she just immediately went to sleep. Oh, that's good though. She likes the motion of the car. So I think it's an it's still I'm still going to bring her a lot of places, but I can't I just it's too stressful to let her wander in the vehicle.

Yeah, especially if she likes the cage and that's a safe space for her. That's really cool. I mean, you can probably blame us maybe for not like getting our cats more comfortable with cages early on. I mean, I know that there are ways to do that. But for whatever reason, you know, Theo and Bananas, too. Neither one of them really like the cage. You put them in there. I mean, Bananas is just such a stress case anyway. And Theo would just kind of yowl in there. So that always broke my heart. So I was always like, you know, like, yeah, you know, I loved having him just kind of like be my co-pilot during the trip from L.A. to Seattle, although I probably wasn't the most relaxing experience for him. Can I abruptly change the topic for a second?

No, I'd like to talk about this cat for two more hours. I actually would. But I think, you know, I've actually the listeners are like the cat that caught the podcast. They were like, we love cat talk. And then they're like, OK, now that's even by our standards.

plenty sir that's like me and okay i actually have a different topic i want to bring up but very briefly that's like me and this cast iron skillet that i refinished like i'm boring myself with those stories now and here's the deal this don't anybody tell hannah this my friend and co-host on spotless not my sister hannah well you i guess she'll find out too oh wait is hannah actually i believe hannah does my sister hannah does listen to spotless i believe um okay hannah don't tell hannah um but um i have talked about it so much that i'm boring myself with my you're boring me to death and i'm already dead you're boring me back to death um i uh i have talked about it so much i'm sick of talking about it but the idea kind of came up on spotless two weeks ago on our last episode and now we're getting ready for another episode of spotless and hannah was like i guess we're mostly just going to talk about your your you know your whole cleaning and seasoning of your cast iron skillet and i'm like yeah i mean i guess we should but i'm sick of talking about it already i really kind of blew it and now i'm scared she's gonna be mad at me but um we'll work through it like we work through everything the topic that i wanted to bring up though um is just i just want to say we complain i complain from time to time like any human being living in this capitalist society i complain about customer service or things that companies Do to us that we don't like Whether it's upping our cable prices or whatever subscription service it happens to be but i'd like to give a put up today i'd like to give a put up to the old gray lady who lives across the street from me no the new york times i got an email from him that said hey you're a subscriber to the new york times you probably got the same email too luke although i don't know if you've seen it yet they said uh we own the athletic now they didn't say it that way but that's the truth we own the athletic now you can now have a subscription to that just sign up here and it's not like they're not so basically the athletic right which is like a yeah which i used to pay for and oh yeah so you better

you better like check your hypotenuse do some also um excuse me new york times to which i subscribe why did i not get this update this is relevant to my interest you didn't get the email

are you sure it didn't go to the wrong account or something like what do you do you have your new york times subscription set up to some like bunk email account or something so you don't get spam i have it set up to your account oh that's good i did have to sign in this book lure bank

for some reason um no it's my it's it's it's my regular personal email account um because i do get updates from them but that's just interesting because you'd think with all the kind of algorithms and cross-referencing of things a person who actually at a time was paying money for the athletic and who has been paying for the new york times for many years you'd think they would send

me that email but they didn't that's exciting news yeah and you did check your pod sexy 69 at gmail.com email address oh shoot luke i'm sorry i gave out your email address um shoot i i will put a marker down and i'll make sure to bleep that out there's no way let's leave a good long pause there's no way i won't beep that out i promise that's personal information but that's cool though yeah i mean it's just like so i kind of vaguely remembered that the athletic was up for sale i think most people are familiar with it it's like kind of a premier sports and culture um you know publication website and uh and it's i don't know it's not the cheapest subscription i

don't think and no that's why i stopped i mean honestly like i was i'm obviously a big fan of the intersection of sports and pop culture and so for a while when deadspin had kind of gone dark and the and defector hadn't started again although i'll be honest with you and i don't know why i don't want to yuck anyone's yummer and i subscribe to defector defector is not dead spin for me it's fine i enjoy it but it just doesn't it's there's some there were it's weird because it's the same people and they're not being ruled by the same corporate you gawker media so it should be by all accounts better and somehow it's not for me and i don't know what changed it was just a time

you know what i mean it was just one of those things that was it was its own thing and it was part of like when when gawker was all more independent you know and it was like a kind of a sister site to the other gawker sites and it was more of a community and yeah it's just like it's still good but you just kind of can't necessarily recapture you can't go back home

right and they also don't generate that much content i guess it's a difference of having you know i don't know how many people work there 12 people versus maybe it was 30 people before but in that kind of um interim when there was no defector i was like well i guess i'll start reading the athletic and then i was sort of let down because the athletic is just straight news it's straight real sports reporting yeah yeah it's good journalism right yeah i wanted more i just wanted more like roasting on ben affleck sure yeah exactly you know kind of like vibe with my sports what i learned is i'm not really a i'm not really a sports fan i'm more a fan of

people roasting ben affleck's back tattoos like you said right exactly so i stopped subscribing

to the athletic but if i can get it for free it built into my new york times thing that's great I will absolutely take advantage of that

Yeah so I guess there was a bidding war for The Athletic I was kind of brushing up on this today because I was kind of curious I'm like oh yeah did they end up buying Did The New York Times end up buying The Athletic And they did and you know I guess DraftKings Was in the bidding and some other And I'm like I'm kind of glad The New York Times ended up with it By the way try to go to TheAthletic.com

Right now Just try to go to the website Why is it down I was just on it a second ago It's down for me

Oh I wonder if that's because all these New York Times

It says error 1015 Dean, you are being rate limited. Wait, what? I'm getting an ad guard thing. The owner of this website, theathletic.com, has banned you temporarily from accessing this website. What?

And I'm getting blocked by my ad blocker for it for some reason. I'm taking a picture of this.

I'm going to send it to you.

Yeah, you're right. My ad blocker thinks I think that there's something dangerous about this. I wonder if... Did somebody hack? I was just on this website an hour ago. what if i proceed anyway even though oh my god is it definitely athletic.com

wow yeah that's something's good this is not a great this is not a great first few hours now i get a different error error message says application error a client-side exception has occurred see the browser comes Thank you.

soul for more information i'm not going to do that no okay if i go to the articles if i if i go to some local some recent articles oh now i i was able to find a backdoor into the website but yeah the main result on google for some reason is i don't know if this is an seo thing whatever something strange is going on but i have found my way to the front page of it but all of that is to say that sorry everybody about the last three minutes um but uh i just think that when you hear about one company acquiring another company and even if even if i am a subscriber to the new york times as i am um you would think that at best at best you would get an email that says as a subscriber to the new york times we'll give you a discount on this new property we have right not just like hey guess what we bought this company and you benefit didn't no cost to you right you as new york times subscriber now are a subscriber to the athletic like i was just like

yeah nice thank you new york times i know that is very rare and i guess you know they acquired wordle but that still remains free right yep that's free although i'm still a little bit i i

don't know if it's a coding thing or a business thing it seems very strange to me that the new york times still has not put wordle into its like word games app you know like i have this new york times because they were already kind of killing it at some of these other these spelling bee games that they have and various things, and Wordle is the perfect fit. But for some reason, Wordle is still not on there. I have to Google Wordle every day and then go to the website on my phone, which I still do. By the way, quick note on that. Yesterday's was really tough for me. I think I got it in six, which is kind of rare. But then today, Luke, everybody on my Wordle text chain is coming in with twos and threes. So it sounds like it could be an easy Wordle day, but I'm usually one of the last people to do it, and now I feel a lot of pressure. I almost want to skip today because even though it could be free and easy for me, if I come in with a six, I don't know if they're going to even let me be on the chain anymore.

What does it say about me that I just completely lost interest in Wordle after, I don't know, a month of doing it? I find it fun. Don't get me wrong. But I just haven't stuck with it. When you and I were in Denver, you were getting texts kind of constantly from this group of people who I'm also friends with who are really into Wordle still. Is it the group dynamic that keeps you coming back or is it just something – do you wake up in the morning and go, oh, cool, I get to do Wordle today?

I think it's a combination of both, but I think I would be doing it anyway even if I didn't share it with the gang. How many people are on our thing? Like maybe let's say six people are on this text chain, six or seven of us now. And it is fun. It ends up being a fun chain. And in fact, one of our friends on there is just like, I just love having this chain because people can just, you know, you do this with your we all have various chains as well. Right. And it's just kind of a way of staying in touch with friends that we might not do otherwise. So that's kind of cool. But honestly, there's also something called quartal, which is like you have to do four wordles at the same time. You have more turns. You don't have six turns. You have like 10 turns, I want to say, or nine turns. But there's like four grids. And it's kind of like and I find myself still wanting to do that, too. And I don't usually even share that with anybody. It's still like I am just a man of routine. Luke, you're probably shocked to hear that. But when I'm done with the show, I will usually go upstairs and have a lunch standing over the sink, some sort of lunch that I'm just sort of like kind of making and eating at the same time. And I will listen to Jake and Stacey on ESPN and do my wordles and my quartals. And that's just like my little moment every day.

I'm trying to do it on the fly. Whoa, that's not even a word. I'm trying to see if I can solve this one No spoilers for me No but I think I know why it was easy Because the second letter is something That just has very few things That can precede it I'm not giving anything away here But I can see how It was solved Relatively quickly but I guess I just feel like For some reason I feel like It's a poor reflection on me that I just kind of Got into the fad and got out of the fad I wish like Becca does the New York Times crossword almost every day and to its completion and it's just like i don't i don't have the kind of interior life unfortunately like i was talking last week about my trying to kind of maybe reset my dopamine levels or like not just always go for the things that just jack up my serotonin kind of artificially i feel like things like word puzzles and crosswords and reading a physical book and just sitting those are all things that a lot of people do that i just don't find myself doing very much and i feel like it just it it's like i'm the i'm the monster energy drink of people and i want to be i just want to be a nice mountain spring of water that's come down from a glacier but instead i'm just like i'm i'm liquid death how about that whole thing do you know about that whole situation oh is that just the water in the can liquid death Yes. Yeah, that's been around for a little bit.

And then didn't they have a Super Bowl commercial or something this year or something like that?

Yeah, it's taken off in a way that I really didn't expect. I was doing that TV story about a guy who bought an abandoned mine and mining town in Death Valley. And I was up in this house that he lives in that's part of this property. and he had this like big kind of flat of this and i was like is that what is that is that like an energy drink is that like a beer and he goes no it's like some water called liquid death he goes that they just mailed me here in this abandoned mining town and i was like man they are hard because he has a very popular youtube channel oh somebody at liquid death figured out oh this guy gets a lot of viewers we're gonna and i guess it's working because here i am talking about it on our little show but they mailed him a bunch of this water and i was like and i guess it's called liquid death because the idea is that um they they don't use any um plastic in their in their um you know containers for the water yeah just cans of still water right yes but they're but they're big like i think part of their sales pitch is that the cans are super recyclable it's not i don't think it's aluminum and it's not plastic it's i don't know what it is but somehow it's like actually environmentally pretty friendly is what i'm told but their slogan is murder your thirst which yeah doesn't seem it i mean liquid death is basically the water equivalent of an ed hardy

tattoo yeah it's just a weird it is actually a lot of this i don't know if it's all still or oh i see they're still and sparkling um but uh yeah i guess it's just like oh this is more of stretch because it's less racist but remember i'm listening actually i don't know that you remembered this when we were talking about it in denver you me our pal john were talking and i brought up like that era of 2005 when like people were like into like i guess ironic quote-unquote thug culture and there was like that white couple that white hipster couple that had like the thug a cookbook or something i mean just yeah i knew then that that was a bad idea i don't think maybe i felt as acutely maybe i didn't know exactly why but even then i was like that is wrong but it's just kind of like i don't i don't even know i think it just had a lot of swear words in it like the recipes were written in a way like they were supposedly like good recipes but it was all like quote again quote unquote thugged out um and just like yeah just double it's amazing though

So how rapidly the sort of culture has shifted around that in terms of what we think of as being okay. Because I'm sure, I am 100% sure that I made jokes about, you know, thug thing, quote unquote thug things. And, you know, I think I thought it was funny sometimes to make a joke about because, you know, like Tupac had thug life, that tattoo on his stomach. And I think when that movie, A Bug's Life was out, I thought that'd be funny to get A Bug's Life tattooed where Tupac had thug life. And I'm sure I like, wait, hold on, hold on. That's funny. Is there anything wrong with that? No, but I just, I'm sure on the way, I'm sure on my journey to that, I just, I'm just saying that like, I'm sure that I thought I knew all your jokes. I can still surprise you, buddy, all these years later. But like I just – I'm sure that I said and made a lot of jokes based on the embrace of quote-unquote thug culture ironically because of my love of hip-hop and stuff. I'm just sure I said a lot of things that I really wouldn't say an hour, made jokes. I just didn't understand the kind of – all of the connotations of that stuff. And it just it's like I don't even think those people probably now, hopefully anyway, would nobody would buy a cookbook put out by a white couple called Thug Cooking or whatever the name of their thing was now. But that's a pretty rapid shift in the culture as far as what we will sort of accept.

I see a headline here from The Vegan Review posted on July 13th of 2020, so almost exactly two years ago, take away a month, and it says the Thug Kitchen has changed its name after years of backlash. The sub-headline is vegan brand Thug Kitchen has officially changed its name to bad manners following backlash for, quote, culturally exploiting black culture and, quote, digital blackface.

yeah did you see i don't even know what the lyric was but i saw a tweet from lizzo yesterday that her new song had something in it that people were pointing out was insensitive and so she's now releasing a new version with that lyric change oh interesting no i did not see that i'll look it up which which i thought was i mean i assume that's a good thing obviously um for for people to particularly in positions of a lot of influence like lizzo is um of course and i mean because you want to

our song of the summer contest that was really what rocketed her uh to where she is now but i think obviously it's good to to um be responsive to to legitimate criticism and feedback from people but then part of me i'm so i'm so skeptical i was like yeah and also i guess you get to sell a bunch of downloads of the new version i don't know if that's how that works i mean i don't think that's why lizzo did that and and with streaming i don't i mean yeah it's not like she's reissuing A new CD version I mean I think My assumption is this comes from a very Good place from her but I did have the thought Well it's actually not the worst strategy For driving more Interaction with your product because you made one version That was wildly popular and now you're Going to make another version that shows sensitivity on Your part that will also presumably be wildly

Popular yeah I Do think it's different in this day and age though The way things are released you know what I mean Like if you were the word oh today is Lizzo Oh two Z's So that's how they get you. Anyway, I'm trying to. So, yeah, she's apologizing. It was criticism over ableist language. Yeah, exactly. I'm just looking at this article now. Interesting.

I don't even know what the word is, and I don't think we'd say it, but it was something that is considered to be an ableist slur. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I see what it is. Okay. We don't have to say it, but yeah. Yeah. Oh, I do see the word as well. That's funny because I've heard that song a billion times now because it's like the most popular song in America, and it doth slap. But I'd never picked up that word Also, the main way I've experienced that song Is people dancing to it on TikTok So maybe I didn't even get the I'm only getting like a 30 second Version of it or whatever No, I mean, I think that's obviously A really positive thing For somebody to hear that feedback And say, hey, there's a way for me to do this song And not have it unnecessarily Make people feel sad, you know I mean, I think that's probably a really good thing

And it's one of those words, the one that she uses specifically here, where you can totally understand why you wouldn't maybe under you wouldn't maybe realize the connection to it. It's just kind of a slang word, you know, and then somebody actually used a lot growing up. Exactly. And they're like, well, actually, I mean, that was a derogatory word that was used, you know, and then you think about it like, oh, shit. Yeah. And like, that's kind of that's what I like. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be like nobody was canceled here. Somebody was like, oh, yeah, shit. Yeah, I shouldn't use that word. You know, you and I still do that. Like, there's still words that will slip in and either somebody will call us out on it or call us in. I'm still not comfortable saying call us, by the way. I like it so much better, but I forget to use it. I know you like it and I should like it, but I always feel self-conscious saying it. But anyway, yeah, I mean, and sometimes you're just like, oh, yeah, OK, yeah, I won't do that anymore. Or I'm going to try not to do that anymore. And then if it slips out, then I need to remind myself not to do that.

You know, I mentioned that I've been listening to The Gist a lot, our friend Mike Peska's show, and he had this comedian on who I found to be funny over the years. Her name's Judy Gold, but she has written this book and I texted Mike about it. I don't think I'm talking out of school. I think it's a very interesting interview. I totally disagree with her premise, as did Mike to a degree. He sort of pushed back on it. but her big argument like i think the book is called like yeah i did go there when they come for the comedians we have real problems and it was quite something to sort of listen to an argument dissolve in real time like in terms of its like level of being cogent like her argument was comedians should be allowed to say whatever they want because of the first amendment and then i was in my car yelling yes and so should the people who don't like what the comedians are saying yeah it's i just couldn't believe that she didn't complete the sentence like every time she would say something it was like laughably kind of preposterous how she she would i i i almost wish i could remember verbatim what she said but she was saying these things that were just like um well one thing she said was if if a comedian says something that offends you that's on you And I was like well I mean sometimes But like it was as if She was describing comedians like comedians Are Like Buddhist monks and that they have Taken on this life of suffering For the betterment of all of us and that we Should basically give them free oranges in the airport I'm kind of mixing this with Hare Krishna but Like she was acting like comedians are The most sacred People and should be protected at all costs from someone not thinking one of their jokes is funny or thinking like as if the only way that the first amendment applies is to the people that are making the jokes but not to the people who would say uh yeah you know i don't i don't like that joke like as if that is not protected by the first amendment it was just wild to hear this argument and have it be so on its

face preposterous and did it come out though and did you say that mike Boom. made that very clear that like you literally can say anything you want it's just whether or not people you know what i mean and if you if there are enough people that think that what you're saying is interesting slash important slash funny then your audience will be there for you and then you will get deals uh with companies that want to distribute that because that's what their audience wants did did that come out or did this yeah to a degree he was also citing roxanne gay had written

column in the aftermath of the situation with will smith and chris rock and she was saying basically that jada pinkett smith um shouldn't have to have a quote-unquote thick skin like jada pinkett smith is not on the hook to laugh at a joke at her expense about gi jane now i don't think roxane gay was defending will smith slapping chris rock but she was saying what is it how is it that culturally we value this idea of having thick skin that like if somebody says some makes a joke about a person particularly about their appearance or anything else about them that the thing that is your that we value in our society is just laughing it off and having a thick skin she was like i don't really want to have thick skin i want to say if somebody says something that hurts my feelings or offends me um so he was presenting that too and i didn't feel like the comedian and judy gold had a particularly um useful response which she just said she must be fun which you know wasn't didn't strike me as a very strong uh defense and and i i tend to agree with that i guess i mean of course i also get my feelings hurt sometimes when we when we hear from people who uh are critical of something we said or or are pointing out that we've offended somebody but i mean that's just how it works that's just them's the brakes if you want to Like, one of her examples was, what if I got an offender bender on my way to a comedy show, and then I did my set, and then somebody came up afterwards and said, you know, my uncle died in a car crash, and that offended me? I'd be like, yeah, what if that did happen? Yeah. Then you, Judy Gold, would have a lot of options. A, ignore that feedback. Right. B, use that joke to open on Conan O'Brien. Conan doesn't have a show anymore, but like on Fallon. C, write about it in your book. B don't use that joke like it was as if someone coming up to this allegedly tough comedian Judy Gold it was as if somebody coming up to her and saying that hurt my feelings was like throwing water on the witch from the freaking Wizard of Oz right right right like it was like yeah you could hear that feedback and then you have a lot of choices about what to do with that feedback exactly again it was just it was a hilarious argument from someone who was coming off as like

super tough but was being so fragile yeah and you know and i've said this on the show before there have been things that some listeners have said you know what you use that word or you say you say this phrase or whatever it is and for whatever reason like i don't think you should or or i wish you wouldn't or i wish you'd think that rethink that or whatever it is right and there have been times where i've said i don't agree with i've said to myself often i don't agree with that i don't often necessarily respond to everything like that because sometimes i know that i need time to process it and there have been examples i've talked about on the show where i've been like my initial reaction is like no i'm not buying that one and then i and then i think about it and i shadow box in my head for a week and then i come around to start feeling like oh wait you know what that person was right and i'll be honest there are other things that people have suggested that i still haven't come around and i'm like i don't know man that one i think that it's fine and maybe i need to think about it some more and grow i can't i don't always always always think that every suggestion or criticism is always right um and but usually nine times out of ten i eventually come around the audio that we use on this show like it does and i was thinking about this today luke not because of anything we're talking about now but there was something that you and i used to i mean there's a lot of tape we don't use anymore we don't use tape of trump you You know, like before he was the president, that stuff was remarkable.

Which is a real bummer because there were some real freaking gems in there. Right. And there are some things. Because the guy is just such an absolute moron. By the way, I wonder if moron and idiot will eventually sort of move off the list. Because those are technical classifications, right, of IQ. Oh, are they? I don't know. Yeah, I think moron is an actual, like if somebody were to test it a certain. And we could get into a conversation about if IQ, you know, if IQ, whatever, is actually a real thing and if they can really measure it. But, I mean, there was a time when I believe terms like idiot and moron were like clinical classifications of where someone was intellectually. Wow.

Well, yeah, I guess. Yeah. I guess a lot of things were happening, too, in those circles, too, that we wouldn't do anymore. But I was just the last time we can ever play that drop. I was going to say like there have been some pieces of tape that you and I have talked about or a listener has asked us to stop.

using or whatever that we have made a specific decision about like yeah that does that didn't age well but there today Luke I can't remember what it was or why I was thinking about it but it's like there are also tons of pieces of tape that you and I just we never talked about it we never made a decision it's just like we have a lot of tape that comes in and a lot of tape that eventually just sort of dies on the vine just naturally right and I was I can't I wish I could think of which one I was talking and thinking about today but it's just like this isn't I guess my whole point is this is just a nat it can be a very natural progression yeah um and and that's

obviously that's that's how it should work i mean i i cringe when i think about some of the stuff that we used to play that we thought was really funny that we would never play now but all we can do is is just you know kind of take in the feedback pull a lizzo uh release a new version of the show every day with hopefully less of the hurtful stuff in it and move forward as opposed to writing an entire book called oh yeah we did play those drops when they come for the podcast we're in real trouble it was like i was again i i would recommend people listen to it because it's an interesting episode but i was just oh my god i was just driving down i5 pausing i was pausing the podcast and then retorting and then hitting play again oh my god which is when you're highly engaged in something i'm sure listeners maybe do the same thing that is by the way if that's when you know you have a problem i'm hosting my own talk show in the car sometimes in between my various jobs hosting more or less hosting talk shows like as if i'm not getting enough of that in my professional life i'm also doing it as my vocation i'm also doing it as my avocation i think the important thing here if there's like kind of

One takeaway, not that I'm trying to sum up too quickly, is I think you should get the Bugs Life tattoo on your knuckles because I think that's funny.

And it would be so on trend. I mean, that's the movie that no one stopped talking about. Everywhere you turn, people are like, have you seen A Bug's Life? Have you seen Pixar's A Bug's Life from, I don't know, 20 years ago, 25 years ago? I'm more of an Ants man myself. I'm more of a Jerry Seinfeld's bees. Oh, wait a second.

And that's when I was thinking, actually, isn't Ants Woody Allen? Of all examples for me to pick, isn't Ants, isn't that, doesn't Woody Allen voice the main character in that or something? I was picturing it being Seinfeld. Maybe.

I didn't even know there was a movie. Oh, there's, boy, they really, they've really thoroughly covered the insect experience with these animated. So there's a B movie. That's the Seinfeld one. And then there's an Ants movie that has Woody Allen in it.

There is. Are you confirming that? Are you looking at that now? I'm pretty sure I remember seeing. I'm going to guess, can I give you, if you're looking this up, I don't have it in front of me, I'm going to say the year Luke was, the year was 1998, am I right, am I close?

Let me go to the Wikipedia page, because all I'm seeing is when the trailer, ah, 1998, look at this guy, it's an Andrew W. Tuesday, directed by Eric Darnell, It featured, yes, Woody Allen, Dan Aykroyd, Jane Curtin. Oh, I see. A rather neurotic ant tries to break from his communal ant colony. Well, the rather neurotic ant, I'm assuming. Jane Curtin. That's Jane Curtin.

God damn it.

We've got to get some new jokes. We've got to get some new jokes. All right. We should take a break, and then when we come back, we will actually do some of these top stories. and an interesting V-mail that I haven't heard yet, but you were kind of telling me about it before the show, Andrew, and I thought it sounded like an intense but ultimately life-affirming story from one of our listeners who's been going through some stuff. So that is coming up here on TBTL. Hello, and welcome to Top Story. I have to admit, Andrew, that I saw garbage in the headline, and i was like well this is a story for andrew and then i read it and i was like this is the kind of story andrew hates um so this is a real this is gonna this one's gonna really be a sort of clash of of again things that you find intriguing garbage content and things you find not intriguing stunts um but in malmo sweden they've decided to try to get people to throw their garbage in the garbage can like in public particularly near this one very popular bridge where there are a lot of people um they are and actually they bought 18 of these garbage cans that actually say sexy things in swedish when you open them and throw garbage in them nice uh they they say uh oh right there yes oh my gosh come back soon and do that again and a bit more to the left next time are some of the actually

have the audio here do you want to hear yeah i guess what this sounds like yeah you'll allow it now this is somebody just on their phone like recording it so the audio is not great and they're kind of laughing in the background but and also you just hear the bin opening they're like opening it a bunch of times so that it'll like say the different sexy things here's what it sounds like that's pretty racy actually it's way more racy than i imagined it i know right like Like, it's pretty, like, that's, there's a very sexual energy to that audio. Can I get one of those cans? I know. Selling them? I could use a friend. You're heading, like, normally you're heading to Tubbs Sandwiches after the show, but today you're heading to Tubbs Hot Tub Rental.

Yeah, what if, for me, though, the gratification is when my bins are emptied, so maybe I should get bins that I put out the front porch that make orgasmic sounds as the.

I was a little surprised that in Sweden, which I assume is a fairly progressive country, that they went with this kind of like very stereotypical, like, you know, female sexy voice as opposed to, I don't know, like a sexy man voice. I mean, it's like it's it's pretty gendered. But then I also thought, let's be honest, dudes are gross and we're probably the ones not throwing garbage away. So they like they could have, you know, I don't know, Burt Reynolds or whoever the Swedish Burt Reynolds is. But I if I'm going to just generalize grossly here, it's probably more likely that I mean, it's the same dude I see not washing their hands when they're leaving the casino bathroom who were trying to sell on this of throwing their garbage out. And so they probably had to go with the stereotypical female voice to get that dude.

I hadn't really thought about it in that manner at all, but I thought when you started saying that, I thought you were teeing up to say it also might be off-putting to hear a man kind of coming on to the person.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but yeah, like if we're, if someone's being sexy in public or if a voice is being sexy in public, I mean, we were, this is like a very, very distantly related to the conversation we had yesterday at the end of the show about approaching somebody in a grocery store and saying, hey, I like your dress or your shoes. And you were saying, and I was saying, you know, if somebody says that to me, I'm like, oh, that's really, I like hearing that kind of feedback. that makes my day feel nice but i'm a guy and i have not lived my life getting like unwanted attention from women you know walking down the street so there is like somebody's lived experience plays a role and similar to like a guy's voice being overtly sexual in public has one kind of yeah it could be weird impact versus a woman's voice being overtly sexual in public but this is

weird i don't feel threatened by it yeah but it's weird all around like i just don't like it like i just and again i guess i was gonna say we can't we just do something else but i guess we are not doing this i mean this is pretty far afield from uh you know where i live but um yeah i don't know i mean talking garbage cans i'm not against that necessarily but why that why does it have to be sexualized like why can't it well what could they i wonder what they could put you know i think like what i think like an oscar the grouch style well not exactly that but like something that's like kind of like i'm hungry right like what are you doing you're feeding these garbage cans so what If it was kind of like a Sesame Street sort of character voice or something, this is like, you know, yum, yum, yum, you know, as you're putting garbage in its face.

And also, I guess maybe what you do is you do something that's kind of childlike because you get kids invested in the process and then they grow up to be adults who are used to throwing garbage where it goes. I mean, I have to say I have the opposite problem in my life. This is also something I've brought up a lot. I consider it to be the war on garbage. But, like, I can't ever find a frigging garbage can when I'm, like, looking for one. And I feel like it's because, you know, probably cities' maintenance budgets are cut. So they're not. I feel like when I was growing up, there was a post office. There was, like, a postal box or whatever you call that and a garbage can on every corner and a chicken in every pot. And now it's, like, I feel like nobody ever has garbage cans out publicly because people just throw too much crap in them. And they also often have that governor on top of them now to make sure that people you can't put, which, of course, you shouldn't put like your household garbage in a random garbage can outside of a Walgreens. But it's still it's like I just feel like you can't find enough garbage cans in a place like Portland. I mean, it's in Sweden. It sounds like they have the garbage cans and people aren't putting the garbage in them.

Yeah, that's interesting. I'm trying to think if that is true for me. I'm lucky that I feel like there are a lot of garbage cans, at least in my old.

neighborhood if i was walking and carrying something i felt like i'd i'd come up to a garbage can pretty quickly but there were a lot of bus stops in my neighborhood and bus stops usually have garbage cans next to them i mean where i live now i feel like there are garbage cans but they're just like you know they're just they're horrible because somebody has gone through them and pulled everything out and it's trash all over the place or they're not being emptied you know you know what i'm talking about like it's kind of a there's some pretty gross looking garbage cans around here but i do feel like i see them that's always a thing too like what is your moral obligation when you see a garbage can somewhere like a public garbage can but it's so over full that you know that you're like it's not really a garbage you balance your garbage on top of other

garbage which just basically you might as well just throw it in the street at that point right exactly yeah yeah i know that's a good that's actually a really interesting question because there are certainly yeah times where you're like okay i'm adding to the problem here like this is not making it into the proper place by the time like i'm going to just balance this like burger ville crumpled up fast food bag on a situation but i know that either a seagull is going to come take this or it's going to blow over or like this is i should really find a place a garbage can has more capacity than this currently overburdened one right exactly that kind of happens sometimes

and i don't want to throw anybody under the bus here but sometimes in our house too a garbage can becomes an idea of a place to put garbage at a certain point if it's not emptied it doesn't have

to be a can anymore you sent me this article over the weekend uh about the space needle company suing this coffee shop in seattle this kind of small coffee chain for stealing its logo i didn't even realize that the space needle had like at some point trademarked this i'm gonna be honest I don't think it's a very good logo.

Oh, you mean that particular one that this coffee shop, this coffee shop's interpretation of the Space Needle for its logo, you mean?

Right. But it's what the coffee shop, I guess it's called the Coffee Spot. Their logo is a coffee cup. It says the local coffee spot on it. And then above it is almost like a backwards Z and then a little like line above it and a couple lines below it. And honestly, it took me a minute to even put it together that that's kind of evoking the idea of the Space Needle.

Yeah, it's a very subtle kind of pretty subtle. Yeah. But yeah, but we have talked on the show before about how the Space Needle, I think, has always held the rights to the image and likeness of the Space Needle. That's why I sent this to you because it's like an interesting is an interesting copyright thing. Right. And it's and I think we've talked about other stories, too, about like the Space Needle enforcing its copyright that you can't just. and this seems surprising to me and it's still sort of surprising to me like if i want to open a little seattle shop and of course what's the most iconic thing about the seattle skyline it's the space needle yes the space needle the great wheel is beautiful but the most iconic thing is the space needle oh you mean the a treadmill that i built for the cat yeah we should that's the new great wheel get hip um but um but yeah i mean it's it was very surprising to me when i first learned that oh yeah you can't just did the producers of fraser have the rights they well see that's what's interesting i don't know like what if you include the entire skyline because the the like isn't the fraser a line drawing of the entire skyline that includes oh that's an interesting

question yeah there's a lot of ins and outs like does the columbia tower have a trademark on their on its shape and image also what about big tossed salad and scrambled eggs did they get a cut of that but this is the part so so basically that this coffee company is being sued by the space needle which according to the space needle folks it rarely happens because what they're telling the seattle times is that whenever they see somebody infringing on their trademarked image they reach out to that group and they explain to them hey you're infringing on our trademark there's by the way a line in this article this is maya miller writing in the seattle times by the way a nice piece uh by uh by maya um it has that line that you and i are so obsessed with which is trademarks are only as valuable as uh the enforcement of them which just gets us back to hooked loop technology right like everybody who has a trademark is always trying to make the point that they're only enforcing it because they have to for the trademark to have any validity i guess and that's kind of the argument the space needle is making but what i thought was really interesting Was the spokesperson for the Space Needle Karen Olsen says We rarely sue anyone Because we just reach out And then they just We work with them And also the Space Needle wanting to I mean that's a tourist spot And they're iconic in Seattle So they obviously want to like They don't want to look like the bad guys in this So one of the things that the Space Needle is claiming Is that they reached out to this coffee shop Again it's called Local Coffee Spot And they offered to have their design team actually create a new logo for this coffee shop yeah and now that seems like an extremely nice thing to do right like that just seems like wow that was that's very thoughtful you're saying look you're using our trademark um but we don't want to be mean about this in fact we will even help you we will even pay our person to help you come up with a different design well the guy who owns this coffee shop his name's bo mckeon um he said yeah they did offer that and i thought that was great and i emailed them and they never got back to me and he provided the emails to the seattle

times yeah that's because when i first read that i'm like wow that's an interesting claim from the space needle spokesperson yeah somewhat hard to say and it's like is that true did they really offer and it turns out yeah it's verified they did offer there was an email where they said hey you can work with our designers to come up with something new that is that is an interesting twist but then it gets twisted again when he says i wrote okay great what's the process and then

never heard july 15th 2021 he sent the space needle people an email that said excellent what are the next steps and he hasn't heard back right right right so i feel like this the point of this entire article is putting the design team on blast somebody is dropping the ball over at the space

needle yeah it really does seem like oh wait this whole article you get to the bottom of it and it's just kind of like oh somebody just didn't check their email but somehow it became a lawsuit right

like the guy's like i would love a different design uh no cost to me where do we go it'd probably be better anyway no what i know honestly like it's not i mean it's a very i think what i don't love about the look of the space needle trademark design and then what this coffee shop is kind of uh sort of ripped off is it feels extremely 2004 to me yeah it is it does like it's not it's it's not a it doesn't strike me as a particularly like um i don't know up to date it's weird how an image that's of something like the space needle can feel like a very specific time period like why does that look like it's from the early 2000s or maybe even like 2010 like why does that look old to my eyes you mean that version this particular logo not the space needle itself which of course has no retro yeah no i mean this logo itself like how does something like a logo look like a particular period of time you know what i mean i mean i mean it's kind of i'm

not high by the way not to dismiss it but i mean it's kind of obvious right like i mean there you and i made stickers for tbtl that were supposed to look like 90s stickers you know this is what four or five years ago or whatever remember that we took our old high school photos so of course Like there is a very specific 90s logo vibe, which is like fluorescent colors and geometric shapes, you know, and various patterns overlaid. I love and again, not to take this to after these messages town, but I love looking at we get through one show where you don't promote live wire.

I was going to say, oh, and by the way, no, you're supposed to say, oh, and by the way, is how you love to see everybody come out for live wire Thursday night.

anyway um but like you get into these commercials from the 90s and you just immediately know they're from the 90s like it's just like it's like oh there's like this this revival of like why am i blanking on the director's name but the guy from monty python who had that style of animation of terry gilliam yeah that terry gilliam style that was such the rage in the 90s of just like well this is like kind of cut out of a newspaper but it's like kind of hasty looks hastily animated and blockily animated and like there's like layers and levels of things and it's just like yeah that's

just so goddamn 90s i guess i just mean it's interesting how there are no meetings about this stuff nobody gets together and says here's what we're doing we're gonna go with neon uh you know or whatever the kind of dominant like aesthetic choices but it just happens slowly and imperceptibly but very noticeably so that when you look at something you go oh i know exactly when that's from or that was when we were all doing that but it's like this kind of brush stroke that they're using in the Space Needle logo like it's very of a time but I don't remember anyone saying here's what we're doing everyone they're just somehow everyone was doing something similar to that at the time so that when I look at it I go okay that's kind of dated yeah and I

mean it's interesting with fashion too because I really did see I mean I almost hate to admit this because I didn't really like the style at the time but it was funny I was living in LA and there was like that's where you started to see that you know i was living in la in like 2013 and 14 i think um something along those lines and like you would start to see the really wild patterns on pants and a lot of like i don't know if that's power clashing or not but a lot of like pattern clashing and very and like that was not my aesthetic you know like and again yeah now here we are and it's still in seattle you still see a lot of like especially amongst the younger people kind of a a resurgence of a kind of grungy look with like the combat boots and stuff which of course that was my heyday so I love that but like I remember seeing this stuff in LA and just being like oh I do not like these modern styles and then slowly seeing that kind of come out of LA and start touching other cities around the country like it is true that certain areas are just like the kind of trendsetters for that kind of stuff yeah I mean all of the guys

in Portland who and and I shouldn't even say guys the people who sort of identify as masculine in Portland because it really does cross uh gender um as far as like you know I don't know we would say like people's bodies so people that maybe are you know were born female but but either are trans or just kind of you know have a pretty i guess masculine energy the look is a beanie that's rolled up a little bit and then like kind of roundish like harry potter glasses and then like yeah i wish i could just do you know this look and then like a little mustache yep and then but then kind of like wide pants that are rolled a little bit and then like a collared shirt but it's big and it's kind of loose like they all look to me like kind of like the same person and i see them at every coffee shop and cool restaurant and and i just that was when i realized i will never be in style again like i i can't go there like it's actually you know to be honest with you it's actually not even a bad look but it was it was one of the first times that i can remember and you're right same thing with all that power clashing and stuff kind of seeing a trend come and seeing and even a lot of my friends who are younger than me like i have a lot of young cool friends andrew this is the point of this anecdote like just seeing a fashion a look come about that i was like i'm not gonna i'm not entering that space and i actually don't even mind the look and if i was 25 that would be what i was wearing like it's like i would be wearing that uniform but uh like every person my daughter goes on a date with on capitol hill in seattle looks like this same version of this this particular dude but i just remember seeing that and thinking i'm not i don't have the energy to modify my look to i also can't grow a mustache but i was just like yeah not that's not i'm just i'm just gonna keep wearing my jeans my my slim cut jeans from j crew which are not skinny jeans but they're also not like wide-legged and my um collared shirt from penguin and i just like i have locked into whatever it is i'm doing

until i die at this point yeah i guess i also benefit from and i'm not even saying this as a dig on myself but like literally i've just never been trendy you know what i mean like i mean you look at me from the 90s and i definitely had a 90s vibe and that was a very comfortable vibe as well um but and you know i definitely hated the glasses that i think glasses are a real window into culture too right like what is cool and what is not like we grew up during a time when if you look back at old movies you would see the the quote-unquote nerds with big chunky black glasses right or maybe like wireless on the under part of the glasses and and black on top actually i'm kind of describing what i'm kind of close to wearing now i like those by the way i think of

those as being like and i don't know what that look is called but i've always really liked those

that style of glasses yeah it seems kind of just classic to me and and the thing is though back you know when we were growing up these glasses we'd see old movies and it'd be like this was an indicator of you were a big nerd there's probably tape on the glasses or what have

literally the guy in revenge of the nerds yeah i think the actor who is i think he's david Carradine's brother so like you know the the main nerds are like I think Anthony Edwards might be one of them yeah and then um and then is the guy that plays Skolnick Lewis something Skolnick he's um I think he's a Carradine I think he's David Carradine's brother but literally his glasses in that movie are exactly what you're describing like that was the number one way to

tell people this person is a nerd but it became a very cool look I sort of feel like um you know By the time it was like the late 90s I don't know when exactly Mid 90s it was like the wire rimmed glasses Kind of like the round glasses that you're talking about But I always think that glasses are such A window into the styles Of the time and it's so circular Too like growing up I had my parents you know I was just kind of a I just wore whatever my parents told me to wear I was just a hopeless nerd And like I would have those big square Not even wire glasses But like plastic glasses Kind of squares or whatever I mean they were The kind that Tobo is wearing In his Twitter throwback picture And I remember so many of my glasses Had like this sort of Double bridge over the nose With the hole in it And they were just like The biggest nerd glasses You look at me now In those photos They're so nerdy But those glasses Are so cool now Like those are Yeah they're in style The hipster glasses Yeah

By the way The cast of Revenge of the Nerds Was Robert Carradine He played Louis Skulnick Which is funny Because like this picture Of Robert Carradine Thank you.

He is a very debonair person in real life. Like, he does not seem nerdy. And again, he is David Carradine's brother, the guy from Kung Fu and all that stuff, and Kill Bill, I guess. He was pretty amazing in Kill Bill, I thought. Then Anthony Edwards, who was—that guy's had quite the career. He was in the original Top Gun. He was. He was on ER for many years. He was in Revenge of the—he really had range. he was in a movie that i was obsessed with called gotcha never that was like a movie about paintball fighters from the 80s but then he gets dragged into some sort of world of intrigue but he's really good at i think he's really good at paintball which is kind of like ends up being a useful skill but this is the thing that i'm interested in james cromwell the actor from babe and la confidential and many other things played i guess lewis skulnick's dad james cromwell comes to mind because he recently super glued his hand oh yeah to yeah to a to a starbucks counter to protest that they charge more for oat milk wasn't that on behalf of pita wasn't that a pita campaign i believe so yeah and it's such an interesting thing because obviously i I talk a lot about, you know, just trying to be less harmful to animals in my own life with some success and some failures. But I mean, like that's an intense move because his basic point is if you charge more for non-dairy milk, then you are going to sort of you're incentivizing people to just keep getting regular milk, which is, he says, very bad for the cows. And he's probably not wrong about that as a person who consumes massive amounts of dairy. I just I choose to just cognitive go cognitive dissonance on that particular one. But for the guy for the guy from L.A. Confidential to walk into a Starbucks and then just super glue his hand down to the counter. He's also like 85 or something. That's a bold ass move.

Yeah, I kind of again. That's not my battle to fight. But like it is it is interesting.

I gotta respect him for his For his conviction on it What's the My opinion

How does that story close Like how did they eventually Because I mean superglue is superglue right

Well you know this has been A whole thing That's been going on kind of everywhere This must be a concerted Sort of campaign by PETA Because you had At the Timber I think it was the Timberwolves game Because the owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves I think also has some big farm business And you had someone Try to super glue themselves to the court And it didn't work Because she just couldn't Get her hand down for long enough You had another person who got tackled by security Like a different night And you've got people at soccer matches Over in Europe Zip-tying themselves to the goal And this is all I think one of the zip-tie things was about climate change But there's this kind of Movement happening right now Of people either gluing themselves or zip-tying themselves To things to try to make a point And again, it seems batty, but I sort of considering what the ultimate goal is, I sort of respect these people's conviction.

Yeah, I mean, back in the day, I remember people would handcuff themselves to things all the time. Right. And it's kind of similar. And zip ties like eventually that can be cut off, whether it's cut off by by the protester themselves or or some official who wants them to stop protesting. It is not as permanent as it sort of seems like putting glue on your hand. Like, eventually, like, does it become I understand that the whole point is he's protesting. He was probably there for a very long time. He got a bunch of headlines for it. And it is extreme. If it wasn't extreme, you don't get the headlines. Like, I get that. But at a certain point, like, he's not there now. Right. Like, at a certain point. No, he's still there. I mean, do the protesters kind of say, hey, also, we have the solution that will just sort of, you know, mitigate the glue at some point when we splash it on there.

And also, is that a thing? I don't believe in conspiracies, but do they have the cure for superglue? I don't know. And they're not releasing it? They'll find the cure for superglue. Like, you know, they've had the cure for superglue forever, but they just don't want to know it's just about big money and big pharma. They don't want to release it. Because honestly, this is a great question. How do you solve a problem like James Cromwell's hand glued to a counter? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because everything we know about superglue, it's really sticky. Yeah. Like, what do you treat that with?

And also, do they still call the other stuff crazy glue?

in this day and age and is that construction worker still hanging from his hard hat right how's that guy doing has anyone checked on him we just take off the hat man here i go once again

with the email every week i hope that it's from a female oh man it's not from a female

all righty uh emails or v-mails yeah because i already said it was going to be

email so that mystery is solved yeah i'll play this voicemail that we got from listener jay now some listeners might be familiar with jay she uh traditionally was one of our younger listeners she started listening i think when still in high school right we talk about her on the show sometimes um she i'm laughing because drink the day tbtl went off the air you drove right i think

she told us about that at the boat show yeah right exactly i'm laughing because it's like Our listeners are also experiencing What we're all experiencing Which is the aging process Because we have listeners who started out As young people And now they are full-fledged adults Yes, exactly It's just It's weird for them, but it's weirder for me It's like watching, in a way, your kids get older I just kind of feel like I'm still the same guy I'm just trapped in this I'm just trapped in this Carl Havoc outfit Called My Body there's too much stuff on me i don't want to be around anymore but but i outside of that i don't feel that much older but then when i i observe that our listeners are also growing older with us

and maturing it's like it really blows my mind yeah and so jay uh lives here in seattle i used to see jay around town sometimes um and jay just had an intense couple of months that she'll talk about here and you can listen to and um it just kind of i don't know connected her in a way to tbtl and the tbtl community so take a listen to this i thought this was an interesting voicemail

hey guys uh this is listener jay in seattle um it's been kind of a crazy couple months um back at the end of march i was working a delivery shift and i went to step out of my car and it was one of those days where i you know i'm in school full time i was working i just quit my third job uh so i was working two jobs including running my business and uh i knew i shouldn't be working but anyway i got out of the car forgot to put it in park and got run over and hurt pretty severely um good news is it's like now i'm doing a lot better i'm actually cleared to walk again and whatnot so this isn't a sad story but um i got home from the hospital and within that week you know while my friends had taken care of me around the clock i decide i'm gonna really try and date again because I'm always like bitter and I hate dating and so I made a like a bumble account and I met this guy and I don't know I just really liked him I've just really been vibing so I'm I'm I'm time banditing right now I'm listening to TVTL it's an episode from I don't know sometime and you guys are talking about like older movies and like cute little date seeds and all these times and you guys went on like dates and stuff and I'm listening to this as I'm literally cleaning my house he's driving up from Oregon right now and we're gonna go out to lunch um but yeah it just like was like perfect timing it seems very synchronous with where my life is right now that I'm time banditing the show and you're just like getting me all excited as I'm mopping my house you know with my little Swiffer wet jet which I don't know Andrew hopefully you're proud of that but anyway I just had to check in because it's been like a really intense uh few months of like almost dying and then being disabled and as we've been feeling and listening to tbtl and definitely jumping ahead a little bit to hear luke's new cat meow and stuff was really exciting and it's just a nice to have kind of like some reassurance along the way that things are going to be fine and um like hearing people call in um sorry i'm getting emotional um with their donor messages and talking about like hard times they've been through it was just very inspiring and like these times really teach us who we are and i'm grateful to kind of have my community in my personal life and then also like hearing all these other people going through their stuff it's just really helpful and i'm just really happy right now despite the fact that i have seven broken bones and a torn rotator cuff um this is weird but i thank you for doing the show

power up you cannot jay you cannot get choked up on the voicemail line you know that i will

start crying at the drop you told me like we got this really nice voicemail from listener jay you go and you go it you know um she gets a little emotional at the end and then it makes you feel emotional and i was like okay whatever we'll see and then i just immediately turned into like i was getting very emotional hearing the sincerity in in jay's voice and also just the the the sort of i guess the fact that the show and the community really has been important to jay in her life and and particularly of late and and that jay is also you know what really made me feel emotional is that jay is feeling good yes like yeah i loved hearing that because that sounds like she has been through a lot yes and i i also really identify with that feeling of of kind of being in a hard moment and then coming out of it and then just feeling like things are going to be okay that is an extremely powerful emotion and i'm really happy to hear that that's the place that jay was in when she left that uh voicemail yeah absolutely i'm glad to hear that yeah that could have gone very differently let us know how the date went jay oh yeah yeah

because this is how was lunch i think maybe over the weekend or something like that so do tell we're

gonna basically if i have my way andrew this show is going to just turn into a version of tiktok that i see a shocking amount of the time which is people typically women in fact i don't think i've ever seen it not a woman in their car about to go on a date and telling you that they're about to go on a date or in their car debriefing after a terrible date and telling you about the terrible date they had and i don't know why i find this i must have just let the first time this popped into my feed i must have let it run for a while because now it's one of the main things that tiktok delivers to me and i've almost had my fill of it but i still find it endlessly fascinating It's like a less produced This American Life of just somebody telling you, someone you've never met and you never will meet, telling you about this horrendous date they were just on. I don't know why I find it to be such interesting. Now, of course, I'm hoping Jay's date was amazing, which also comes up sometimes. People can get really excited in these things. But I would just like any listener who's about to go on a date to call in and give us a before and after or maybe even a during, sneak into the bathroom. Hey, that would be kind of fun content. Can we hear from more listeners who are out there dating and about to, you know, go on an adventure? Do you feel like – would you be okay with that being the direction that the show goes kind of narratively?

Oh, just – you mean that that becomes the main mission of the show? The exclusive mission. The exclusive mission, yes. I've been pushing for that. Have you not been getting my emails at podsexy69 at gmail.com? Oh, God, I've got to – I don't have the login anymore. I'll beep it. Yeah, no, I do like that, like kind of the, you know, we used to have people call in about the shame food, like, you know, they were shame eating, like, I'm in my car sneaking a taco. I always love that stuff. I think some people, actually going back to what we were talking about before, I think some people are kind of like, you know what, I don't want to associate with shame anymore. I'm eating a taco in my car because I want to, you know, so I think some people maybe have backed off of that a little bit. So, yeah, let's hear about those dates.

I would like people to call in who are eating a taco before they go on a date, because that's great. You are rolling the dice. I want someone eating a four-course, very spicy Mexican food meal before they go on a first date to a bar that has one of those terrible bathrooms where it's just all graffiti and there's not even a door on the stall.

Oh, my God. Do you remember that amazing – I think it was like several voicemails because then the people involved called back to clarify some questions we had. But there was the epic story of two of our listeners who are a couple, but their first date was kind of a disaster where they went out to eat somewhere, and then the fella got tummy troubles. But then he wanted to use like a bathroom that he found in her house that seemed like it was less used so that he could have some privacy.

Wasn't it, I thought that the woman was having the intestinal distress.

Was that a different, am I thinking of a different story? I think you're mistaken on this one. I'm pretty sure he's in there. I could be misremembering it. I think, though, that it was him, and then he goes in there, and I think it's a combination of the toilet clogging, and he gets locked in there because, like, the handle, it's not a bathroom that's often used, and the handle broke off, or he couldn't get out, and he was stuck in there with a clogged toilet or something.

I don't know. That's the story that I remember that I remember that story. I and I in my mind, I thought that the person who was having the situation was actually the the woman in the couple. But I could also be Mandela in that or conflating it with another long ago story that I also remember vaguely about somebody having tummy trouble on a date and it being super embarrassing. um but uh i i again i am a fan of those kinds of stories uh as you know i know you're a little less into the scatological stuff but i just think it's a very human experience and and again i do feel like it's really kind of what built this show i was regaling becca with this the other day i was like it's i was like you never know when you're uh 12 years old or whatever and you're standing in the bathroom of the kingdom and you've just had a massive number two explosion in your pants and you just don't know what to do next you never think this could be a critical formative moment in your radio career yeah i mean how much do you think

that incident is like if you had to put a dollar amount on you know like you you've used that as

so many launching pad of your career and i guess the reason that i was bringing it up with becca was because i was saying that the three most common i guess like the two most common pieces of kind of feedback. If I ask someone, oh, how'd you hear about the show? One is a lot of times wait, wait, don't.

tell me and then i guess the three are well i was just listening to cairo and you guys were on and i thought what is this weirdness and now i'm here 12 years later um the other one is oh i heard them say it on wait wait don't tell me and i they said it a hundred times and on the 100 time i was like okay fine what is this and then the other one in seattle is oh i read about it in the stranger because eli sanders wrote this amazing article about us um and it was a lot of that article revolved around me telling that story of crap in my pants and i mean i'm not trying to make this profound but it is very weird to think that that was that moment was one of the lowest moments of my life yeah just absolute abject humiliation and again just that feeling of like i don't know what to do next like i i there were no cell phones my parents weren't there i couldn't call anyone it was just like just was probably in my life up to that point it was the most alone i'd ever felt and embarrassed and just like totally and completely out of options so that was the feeling of that and then flash forward 20 years and i'm telling the story into a microphone on the radio show that i'm the host of and people are laughing it's that's and there's a reporter sitting there there's a reporter sitting there who would go on to win a pulitzer for that article but like yeah like there's just no way my brain in that moment in that stall in the kingdom could have ever conceived of what it would what that picture would look like 20 years later it's the house that poop built and we have our show time no we don't okay i had to try uh oh uh i do want to tomorrow can i i'm sorry but tomorrow can i give you an update on a few other cat situations here one the treadmill which i sent you video of and two i got that spray thingy that scat thingy you reckon oh yeah but the problem is catalogical less catalogical more catalogical on this show that's what i say the problem is i'm getting sprayed constantly with the thing, because the place I don't want the cat to go is also where I brush my teeth. Yeah, you gotta, yeah, you gotta. I don't know the solution to this. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Anyway, thanks for listening, everyone. We will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. Until then, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves, and please remember, the mountain too tall. And good luck to all. When I saw myself pooping, I was just like, you've got to be kidding me. Power out.