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Okay, are we done with the business part? I wanted to start the clown portion of the meeting. All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. The words mean nothing. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

Is today a good day? Shit, yeah, today's a good day.

Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in beautiful Portland, Oregon. Glad to be back home. Bring it back home, baby. Bring it back home. After a whirlwind 48 hours, less than 48 hours, I went to Austin for the memorial for our friend Mike Frizzell. Went to a Portland Pickles game Had a weird conversation with my Lyft driver Went for a jog in like 100 degree Austin weather Oh, roasted I lived a lifetime, my friends, since we last spoke on Friday Very excited to be bringing you episode 3729 3,729 in a collector's series Let the fun begin Here on this Monday, where we are debuting a new segment Called Monday Mystery Sound The past is history. The future is a mystery. I feel like I should disclose that this will likely be the only edition of Monday Mystery Sound. You know how we had Monday Motivation because I think the Splenda packets I were using had, like, motivational phrases on them or something? And then we just couldn't find any more motivational things that were funny that would work on a Monday? I just happened to hear some sound on the internet. It's actually associated with a video. And what I want to do is play it for Andrew and see if he can guess what the Monday mystery sound is. So we'll do that coming up. Oh, another thing that I did since we last spoke, I started watching Nathan Fielder's new show on HBO Max. It's called The Rehearsal.

If God wanted us to listen to audiobooks, she wouldn't have given us eyes to watch TV.

And it is an extremely complicated television program where he ostensibly helps people deal with conversations they've been dreading by rehearsing the conversation in advance and going to this level of verisimilitude by building a synecduty that is just pretty impressive. I also have some strong misgivings about what happens on the program, so we will talk about that. He lies a lot to the people that are in the show.

Well, we know you're good at lying.

To one degree or another, and some of the ethics of it seem a little bit questionable to me. So we'll talk about that, time permitting, plus we'll do emails and V-mails. And we'll talk to this guy. He is the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is Andrew Firedall Walsh, and he is joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I'd also like to throw this log on the fire. We also have a great email that I received last week from somebody who was a student researcher who did their work at a dump or a, what do we call a dump, a transfer station, a place where people throw refuse.

I wonder why they started calling it transfer station. It's just because dump had a negative connotation.

I think it had a negative connotation, yeah. So there's some really good stuff in there. The one caveat, and this will add some excitement to the segment, is can I find that email before we get to that segment?

That'll be who we'll all be on the tenterhooks until then.

Start the clock at ticking. So you were down in Texas this weekend. How did everything go?

Yes, I think I was. It was whirlwind. It was it was a blur. You know, I flew in on Saturday night and then there was the memorial for for Mike Frizzell on a Sunday.

at this place called Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Preserve. And it is just this really gorgeous place a few minutes outside of Austin. And Emily, Mike's widow, had put together a just really amazing scene that was in this very cool building that looked out on the oak trees and all the beauty there. And it was really nice to get together with a bunch of people who loved our friend Mike Frizzell. And there was a slideshow running of pictures of him. and people got up and just gave remembrances and it was really beautiful and in fact you know one of the elements of Mike's life that he talked about when we did the interviews with him years ago about his time as a bank robber was that when he was living in San Diego he became the most favorite caller of like an LA sports radio show I think it was actually technically out of San Diego but their transmitter at Sports Extra was so it was in Tijuana and their antenna was so tall that it basically went from Tijuana to like Gresham, Oregon. So he would call the show all the time and they liked him so much that they had him guest hosts sometimes. And that was bittersweet for him because that was his dream to do that. But of course, he was on the lam from the FBI at that point and others looking for him for robbing banks. So he couldn't really fully enjoy it. And that's the problem with packing

too much into your life right you have to make these tough decisions exactly and the guy who

was the host of that sports talk show out from la this guy named rick and he was at the he was at the memorial and he mentioned something that maybe this came up when we interviewed mike or came up on one of the other places where mike had told his story but i didn't realize this or at least i didn't remember it there was an fbi agent that was in southern california that was assigned to try to find mike to try to find this person who'd been robbing all these banks this fbi agent was also oh wow a dedicated listener to the sports talk show oh my god so this fbi agent was both looking for mike frisell and delighting in his on-air antics oh my gosh this is like i mean is that cinematic yeah yeah i mean if you put that in a movie it

really doesn't sound believable i know and i know and i know that mike you know he during his last years he was working on a screenplay project based on this stuff yeah yeah he was in fact

working with uh someone named megan uh they were working together and megan was also had traveled out from seattle to um come to this thing and she's still pushing that pushing that rock up that hill so hopefully um something will come with that because again i mean i feel like i know this story so so well and so deeply yet they're just all these always another element to it another thing that i i guess i didn't remember about it was this guy from the sports talk station said you know mike one of the things mike would do is he would call in with top 10 lists um you know sports related or otherwise and they were just super funny because mike was a really really funny writer and so he's calling into the show all the time he's on the show he's like you know he's basically a you know character on the program almost like a third host and then he just disappears for like two weeks and of course this was the time during which he was driving back up to the northwest to turn himself in and this guy said they get a collect call during the show and their board op breaks into the show and says we're getting a collect call from like the king county jail or whatever and they're like put it through and it's mike and he's like hi i know you haven't heard from here for a while i'm in jail i don't have a long time for this call but um uh you know this is what i've been up to this is what happened oh and i did put a top 10 list together top 10 things you really don't want to do when you first get into jail or whatever i'm just like i mean the guy's creativity and presence of mind is just really something able to spin content out of that

moment exactly it's an inspiration because I got nothing today I'll tell you I like I said all of

the everyone who got up and spoke just said such lovely things about Mike and there was it was just a really great energy in the room and as I said to Emily later I thought Mike would have really loved it and he also would have been super embarrassed which is means it was probably sort of pitch perfect because he was for all his ball busting and whatever it was I don't think he was somebody who always wanted to have the attention squarely on him or if it was he only wanted on for a minute or two he was another thing that really came out yesterday was how great mike was at really identifying things in other people that were great and then helping bring that out and elevate that because he just had so many relationships within like the tbtl listener community that never even got to us you know what i mean it was just people he would reach out to people he would help you know encourage or you know just interact with in all these different positive ways.

he was just doing that all the time so he was such an important element of the universe of tbtl now when i got up to make my little um i guess toast remembrance uh give my kind of thoughts on mike i i started crying probably two words into it and i stopped crying two minutes after i sat back down to my seat i was the least together speaker even though i am allegedly a professional speaker like i don't know what came over me i don't know if it was the two glasses of sauvignon blanc that i had at the ladybird johnson wildflower center i just was so emotional and as i mentioned when i was talking to the folks there you know they had this slideshow going of mike And as you were standing at the podium, there was a laptop that was operating the whole thing. And so you could just see. You were seeing the slideshow on the laptop. And then I'm also, like, in direct eye contact with Emily. And I was just in this loop of, like, I'd start talking. And then I would start to become overwhelmed. And then I would look away to try to get myself together. And then just be, like, a picture of Mike wearing a TBTL hat. Yeah. Looking happy. I know exactly that picture. And then I would, like, look up from that. And then it'd be, like, Emily in the back. Very emotional. I think generally in a positive way, because, of course, it's just nice to see all these people who loved her husband. And I was just I was just trapped in this loop of not being able to get my shit together. And like a little I mean, you know, you're at a memorial. A little emotion is not the worst thing. But when it makes it so that you cannot get through the talking, it becomes. And we've talked about this on the show before, like on the occasion that you and I, you or I become choked up on this show. One second of being choked up feels like one hour. to the person who is getting choked up so i'm hoping that it just feels like it was longer to me than it was to the audience but it really felt to me like i would talk for like 15 seconds and then i would get really emotional and then i would take like a one hour to cry and then i would start talking again 15 more seconds would get out and then i'd get really emotional i did not expect for that to be how it went i i just figured you know uh i was going to keep it together a little bit more but i really didn't but aside from my um you know histrionics

i think it was a really nice day you know you and i especially as we get older and there should be a there should be like some sort of a um a test you have to take like your t levels must be higher

i think you're right in this bar before you can speak at any service oh my god you're right You need to call Dr. Arakaki. Yeah, exactly. I think you're so right, dude. My T is so low.

But also, like, for me, because, you know, I've gotten choked up on this show before and in just weird moments. And, like, even, like I said, I gave a, you know, I read a poem at my friend's wedding this fall that I practiced really well. And I had, it was a really emotional poem. I think I had told you that even in practicing it, I would get choked up. But there's also the combination, I think, of emotion but also nerves that will make. i i want to say us but i'll stick with me that'll trigger that in me even more because like you and i right now can have this conversation about mike we can continue to share memories there's a chance we get choked up the the further we go but it wouldn't quite be the same now you have those other those other triggering things that you say like a a slideshow of mike's face like that's going to add to it and everything you described but i also just do think that nerves might trigger it as well do you think there's anything to that maybe because obviously i want to really honor

his memory and i'm in a room full of people who knew him and loved him so i'm probably putting some i also didn't as was evident to the people who were there i did not have notes i didn't really have a specific plan which is rare for me i usually for anything large or small i usually kind of over prepare so that then i can seem like i'm off the cuff this was me actually off the cuff

and i may need to go back to preparing more you didn't pre-record something like your last day

of the radio show i know i will never live that down but again i don't know i probably never live

it down i'm the i mean i just i was just teasing you gently about that no no no but i just mean people or that you lives large in your head no i guess i wish that i wanted to get it just right

And so this is at the end of when I was doing that. Well, I had been doing a show with Dave Ross and Ross and Burbank, and then it eventually some part of it became just two hours of me, which really nobody was asking for in the greater public. And on the last day of that show, when I decided to quit, I recorded my kind of goodbye message in advance because I just wanted to say everything exactly how I wanted it to be said. And now I think, eh, it would have been better if it was a little bit, it could be less polished and less recorded probably would be the way to go. But in this case, maybe a little more, maybe a little more prep wouldn't have been the worst. But I don't want to, I don't want to center myself in the story. I just want to say it was a really lovely afternoon to get to see a bunch of people who I hadn't seen in a long time and meet some new people. I got to meet a lot of Emily's family who are just an absolute delight. They're all from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. i just wish i was from somewhere cool like just being from baton rouge immediately elevates you like by 20 points in terms of just being interesting between the humidity and the uh you know southern literature element and the accent it's just a thing no one's ever like

i'm telling you're you're just too acclimated to being here like if if if you know if i was living in cleveland my whole life and then you you moved into town as a co-worker or a classmate or something or like i'm from seattle that'd be like the coolest thing in the world oh to you

to the people in cleveland or yeah really do you think seattle because i feel like seattle i mean sounds grunge and microsoft i feel like seattle is just like a fine place to be from sort of like portland i feel like there are cities where there are cities where being from that city immediately is a big part of your identity and then cities where it's less the case and to me the seattle thing feels like it's less the case oh i could i could almost argue cleveland would be more on the on the list of cities that tend to define the people who are from there or can anyway um by the way i i sent you that picture of the guy wearing the wmms morning zoo t-shirt he is a bartender at like my very probably maybe arguably my actual favorite bar in portland now i know i've talked about my father's place or dad's place as someone told me the cool thing to call it is yeah but um this place is called sloan's tavern and i talked about on the show a while ago i sent you a picture of it this family owned a semi-truck repair garage and then the bar on the corner came up for sale so they decided to just buy it like they weren't restaurant people they were semi-truck repair people and the the matriarch of the family who had all these recipes that she'd had forever just took the the restaurant and bar over as her like personal project and so she's still i think she's like 90 and she's still cooking like if you go in there for lunch she's still in there making everything and um they're not open on weekends i think they close at like 9 30 or 10 like it's a totally anachronistic kind of business model for a bar but it's just you know it's a very cool authentic place that where also the bartender is randomly wearing a t-shirt from your childhood morning zoo radio show wmms and then he was very excited to talk cleveland with me because i said wait i was like is that wmms because i actually noticed the bird on the shirt and it bore a resemblance to something you have but it wasn't the exact same thing so i was like this is in that universe and then i was like is that wmms he's like sure is and then we proceeded to i proceeded to try to talk cleveland but but of course my knowledge of cleveland is only what i've gleaned from you but i do feel like people from cleveland i think their clevelandness resides you know strongly in their hearts yeah because of all the sausage

that definitely resides in our arteries that's more lodged absolutely yeah resides and then

lodged it resides very different things medically old ticker yeah hey speaking of sausages uh how did the saturday night party go genevieve's party featuring andrew uh it went um fine i don't have

any great grand stories to tell as you know i parked myself behind the grill and i grilled up burgers and hot dogs and that kind of gives me something to do i'm very awkward i know that you say that i'm not but i feel very awkward in these situations i'm making small talk with people i'm trying to be polite but then you know i know i know folks to you know degrees of closeness you know some of my closest friends are there and then there are people i'm meeting for the first time and then there are some people who i know i've met before but i can't quite remember them like ross Reynolds um no just joking um but no it was great actually Ross did um show up too so it was great I got to see a great group of people it was just one of those things where the next day well probably had to do with like well whatever it was one of those next day situations that I haven't had in a long time where I'm just like you know just like oh you said this stupid thing or you didn't spend enough time with this person or whatever so like that's just that's my own journey. It also probably is tied to the alcohol as well. I didn't go to bed until 6 a.m. Whoa! I was cleaning up. So basically we had, kind of our last guest stuck around until like 3.30 or something like this. Whoa! And then, I think I can tell this. I mean, this guy, there's one fellow who came who I I'd never met him before and he's more like a friend of a friend and I met him for the first time and he like he's he was super super sweet nice guy came alone but then at the end of the night like our last like kind of friend that we knew was leaving at LeBron 315 330 or something and he was like oh man my phone's dead and like and I missed my bus can I hang out for a while and I'm like for me like when I get done with a party like those last two hours are like I most people would probably just go to bed and deal with the the cleanup in the morning but i my brain doesn't work that way i need to first of all i need to wind down i need some andy time i also just like things to be put away so i always kind of look forward to those those last moments like you when you were crouching hiding from late night visitors after one of your parties eating a cold hot dog on the ground like that's my version of doing it so he's like you know can i you know i need to charge my phone or whatever i'm like oh okay and like you know and then veves is kind of handled veves is like i'm gonna go to bed i'm like i don't know this person Like, he's very, very sweet.

She's like, this is where featuring Andrew comes in.

Right. And I'm just like, I mean, I think Genevieve picked up on him. We've had Genevieve's party, and now it's time for Andrew to be featured. Exactly. And I do a lot of stuff for the party, but I'll do a lot for your party, but I won't do this. And again, this is not a reflection of this person. I was talking to him quite a bit throughout the night. Very nice person. I don't think he will hear this, but if he does, he's a nice person. But, you know, it was one of those things where I was like, I was very looking forward to these last moments of now it's my time. Genevieve, go to bed. I'm going to clean the house. But like, even if this person is the most like low key person, which he was and didn't really need anything but like a charger and to sit on the front porch, like it doesn't feel like I get my house back until I get my house back. Right. And so, you know, I was sort of thinking like, you know, you want to be gracious. I mean, he did. He ended up sticking around until like, well, Genevieve eventually came in at 415 and said, all right, he's going to just stay on the porch for a while and I'm going to bed. I'm like, all right, fine. But I didn't, you know, totally love that because it just sort of felt like, okay, now there's a person on my porch while I'm puttering around. It's just sort of a loose end. But I was sort of, and again, now I'm coming down kind of hard on this person, so I hope they never hear it. Nice person. I mentioned that. But, like, you just sort of think, like, if you are going to be a person who's showing up to the party where you don't know a lot of people and you're the only, you know, you come by yourself or whatever. Like, maybe don't wait for the 4 o'clock bus to miss. You know what I mean? Maybe, like, because it was one of those things where I was like, am I being ungenerous here? But I'm like, well, I would never put myself in that position. And it reminded me a little bit of conversations that you've that you and I have had maybe privately about a friend of yours from the past who, like, kind of leads a easy breezy lifestyle. It's kind of like, hey, man, this is just how I lead my life. And I love it. And it's like, yeah, but if you're kind of putting other people out, like it's not so easy breezy for everybody.

Right. Exactly. Like I've, I've found that to be the case with a lot of people who just, in fact, I remember, um, Carrie used to do this acting class, uh, sometimes the kind of like a weekend intensive and there would be a few people in the class that were, cause you know, they're artsy types and whatever that would kind of have that perspective of just like, I just let the universe, uh, tell me what it wants me to do. and i'm just open to and those would be the same people like texting her for a ride like you know the morning of the class and she's like coming down from bellingham this wasn't could you swing over to lake shaland for me really quick it's like yeah the universe just delivered someone else having to do something really annoying yeah the universe wants you to get you to where you're

going the universe wants you to get a license that's what the right like a lot of times the

people that are the most just like i just i hey man there's no reason to stress it's like yeah because um and again i'm not attributing this to anyone specific to your party but just in life generally it's like uh must be nice yeah right in the words of that tiktok meme it might be nice i'm trying to be you like it would be really nice to just walk around without any problems in the world because they were going to get probably solved by somebody else who has been stressing i can also see how i i'm i'm not exactly like you with the staying up maybe to clean everything later but i do know that for you like having a hundred social interactions on a night is a lot and my guess would be that the thought of just being able to like bring order back to the house by yourself with your headphones on that was probably kind of the the pot of gold at the end of your rainbow a little bit like and i don't want to i don't want to attribute thoughts or motives to you because i know you also love people and you're social i'm not trying to act like you were gritting gutting it out throughout the event but i can just see a world in which you were, like, also looking forward to getting everything back to how it is and just kind of going to bed with this nice feeling of, like, that was a really fun night and now everything is where it's supposed to be and I'm going to get some good sleep. So to have anything kind of change that thing you'd been thinking about can be challenging.

Yeah, but the thing is you sort of nailed it except I didn't realize I had that. In other words, that was not a thought that was at the forefront of my mind at all. I was never even leading.

up to it or whatever i was never thinking oh it's that moment that i'm looking forward to where i can just clean up in fact i'm at other parties sometimes i remember feeling like i just want to go to bed now but i've got to clean this up and it's been or at least in my head i had thought it was onerous so i don't think i was like going through the party thinking like can't wait for everybody to leave so i can clean up or i'm looking forward to that i didn't realize how much i kind of needed it until i realized until i for a moment felt like it was might be taken away from me and then i was like wait a second i guess i was looking forward to like you know putting on some more comfortable pants and puttering around and and just like you know and it was a big party like you know how many people showed up do you think you know i was trying i don't know why but i was trying to do a count in my head the next morning i'm gonna put it around 40 probably which is you know decent size did you feel like your house your new home

performed differently or better than the place uh in roosevelt just in terms of like layout where the people congregated etc like how did this perform as a party pad well we have a yard now

so that's huge i mean we used to have that roof that we treated like a roof deck but it really wasn't a roof deck and it wasn't supported in that way and our landlord would have had a bird had he known how many people we used to have on that roof or how many people genevieve would have on that roof i should say um so and that would always make me very nervous but no no now we had like a front yard where i was grilling in the front and i had a little table i was trying to do some some flow control by setting up a table in a certain way so that i could like kind of bring the food from behind the table and then other people could line up and get the food and then you could move around to the back where we had a keg and we had cocktails and we had a fire pit like yeah it was it was a setup so that was that was nice viva's upset with me today because i insisted on getting or i didn't insist but i strongly encourage her to get a full keg instead of a pony keg and now i guess the keg is due today and we did not float it and she's she's mad about that floating it means used all of it finish it all up right um how much would you

i mean are how much beer can you drink during a home run derby i think is the important right well

that's the thing so last night so the party was saturday in the past when genevieve um rents a keg we can usually keep it on ice for a few days actually and that's kind of what i like and i'm like yeah this is fun we do this once every couple of years why not do that i didn't realize that the keg was she got it from a different place this time so it's actually due today so we had to pack all that beer that residual beer drinking into our sunday night and again that's one of those things i was looking forward to this party i had a good time but i didn't realize how much i was really looking forward to the sunday night after the party like vives and i uh just like we're just trying to drain the keg as much as possible last night we put up i don't know if i told you doing god's work genevieve put up this dartboard uh early last week i heard i heard you were considering

and not putting it up because you didn't want children ruining your wall.

Oh, yeah. Well, I was just like, I was worried. But we had a few younger people here early on, but they didn't really stick around. That wasn't an issue. But I was worried about it being late at night, a bunch of drunk kids, a bunch of darts, and them ruining my walls, and maybe themselves. But anyway, no, this dartboard, Luke, has been a just, I mean, my whole game has changed. I have been loving it. I used to have a dartboard in New Hampshire, and I had a dartboard in the basement when I was a kid. And so to have this thing again, I've been loving coming down here almost, yeah, I guess every night since Veeves put it up on Monday or Tuesday, listening to my podcast. I have my record player hooked up now, which is right near the dartboard area, so I can play my records or listen to podcasts and play darts and hone my skills, and it's been great. And so last night, Veeves and I had a little rumpus room, dart playing, trying to drink as much beer out of the keg as possible. And that's the reward for throwing a party is the Sunday after the party, yeah.

Nice. My reward for traveling to Austin and back in basically a 24-hour period was to have a really weird conversation with the Lyft driver from the airport in Portland to my place here. And the guy was driving a Tesla, which is actually a more and more common thing. I think a lot of, you know, lift people that were considering driving like rideshare stuff figured out that if you're particularly with gas prices, you're actually kind of like if you can you can sort of figure it out. The Tesla can actually be a pretty good car for that kind of stuff. And so I get in the car. I'm very, very tired because I've been flying, you know, for a significant portion of the day. This is after the memorial, et cetera. And but I'm trying to just kind of make the guy was chatty was like how. And I'll mention this guy is like a probably late 50s, early 60s kind of full head of gray hair, looks pretty put together. And he's driving a Tesla, right? So it's like this is – I wasn't quite sure what this guy's story was, but he goes, you know, how was your trip back? And I said, oh, it was fine, you know, came in from Austin, et cetera. And then I just said something like, so does this thing charge on 220? Because at the house that I'm working on, I'm getting a new electrical panel put in where this ADU is going to be. And I'm considering maybe it's, I don't know when, but at some point in my life, I might get an electric vehicle. And I don't even know what you plug that into, right? Like, is it just like a regular outlet? Is it like a 220, like your dryer would use? So I'm literally just making conversation. I go, is this a 220? And he goes, yeah, I don't have a 220 because I live in a condo and my parking that doesn't allow for it. He goes, but mom and dad have it and I take it there and they always try to tell me it's not free, but I tell them it's free for me. And I was like, wow, I wouldn't really cop to that if I were like a guy to say weird

flex.

I mean, if I were his age, I wouldn't be bragging that I'm stealing electricity from my parents who are telling me, hey, this costs us money. yeah and so anyway i was like okay that's but that's odd but whatever and then we keep chatting and then i'm trying to think of what the next thing i said again sorry i was very tired last night so this is a little bit fuzzy but basically he starts talking about how joe biden is a crybaby he starts talking about the biden administration and something they're trying to do with build back better america and something else and he goes well that's all biden does is he just is a crybaby and he just and he just starts going on basically a maga rant and talking the specific thing about him thinking joe biden is a crybaby this is a dude who just copped to stealing electricity from his elderly parents right yeah who is like thinks that joe biden is a crybaby and like i was like i was so tired that i was very close to and i never do this but i was very close to just being like i'm shutting this conversation down right now and also stop stealing electricity from your parents you grown ass man you know i was just

like that what's that you should have said to him sir you happen to be talking to a cry baby

um i just i was like it got so again it was owing mostly to my exhaustion also to the fact that i was not trying to have a conversation about politics with this guy also owing to the fact that he's driving a seventy thousand dollar car like this was a new this was like a six month old tesla and then what i realized as he continued to talk about it was his gripe was that and i don't even understand how all this works oh oh this is another thing he was really mad about he was like biden is trying to make elon musk turn all of his charging stations public it's like that's a private it's a private business and he built those things privately and i was like well i don't have the day i don't have the numbers in front of me but i can tell you there was a lot of public money that went into various factors that made it possible for elon musk to build those charging stations whether it's tax write-offs whether it's rebates from cities whether it's i can just promise you let's just say that all the tesla charging stations cost five billion dollars to build i can promise you elon musk didn't pay five billion dollars to build those i promise you there are a million different kinds of incentives and credits and things that are woven into that that we all paid for as a society but it's like this guy who venerates elon musk and his supposed independence is stealing electricity from his parents who are

telling him stop stealing electricity well yeah i mean i mean the trump was a self-made man

argument right like it's ridiculous who inherited 400 million dollars from his dad um i'll always it's just i think cognitive dissonance is just sometimes it just absolutely stuns me i think

i've mentioned this on the show before but it really um stuck in my head and this was a time before is that fair to say i certainly feel like maybe i i certainly feel like i didn't think about politics maybe as acutely or or certainly in in from as far left as i as i do now when this happened to me but i remember i was new to seattle and i was doing that thing where i i worked part time for kow just scraping up a few hours here and there and one of the things i would do is i would go to these uh book readings and other kind of talks around the city and record them and then they would play on kow what's the name of that show i should know my friend produces it uh uh speakers forum speakers speakers forum sorry john o'brien uh speakers forum of course Everybody knows. Anyway, so that was just kind of it was actually kind of a fun job. It didn't, you know, quote unquote, pay, quote unquote, the bills. But, you know, it was a fun way to kind of get to know my new city and to like kind of have a reason to go to these book readings and other kind of cultural events I wouldn't go to anyway. Well, anyway, one of them was for Michael Medved, who I had never heard of before this. And of course, Michael Medved is a Seattle based but national.

radio broadcaster who's conservative right and he's not on the he's not on the lunatic fringe of that he's just been a long long time conservative broadcaster and you and i later would work with

him at cairo radio anyway i've worked with him before that even i worked with him at kvi oh he was a kvi guy huh he started long long ago and the thing about him and not to interrupt your story but michael medved is such a he is such a complicated figure for me because person to person he's one of the nicest people i've ever met i just very much like him as a person seemingly thoughtful yeah and i don't think i i mean he's an incredibly intelligent person and then somewhere in that journey my politics and his politics and our views of the world have just really diverged but it's easy when someone if it's sean hannity you can just be like f them because like that guy sucks on every level but it's weird when it's somebody like michael medved who i really like as a person but just have like totally different beliefs then and it's also his tone as well

there's a fellow i'm not going to raise his name um on on cairo who's just like an absolute and it has gotten worse over the years just an absolute conservative troll uh on the radio spends three hours or four hours a day just like whipping up anger you know amongst his base to like and to target at you know mainstream uh at seattle you know kind of the seattle is dying sort of vibes and everybody's like yeah but he's so nice off the air i'm just like who gives a shit if he's nice off the air if you're going on the radio and you're foaming also he's not nice off the air he

hated the fact that i used to oh wait you know who i'm talking about i used to be dropping a deuce in that one private bathroom that was also a shower and then he would like get done with his workout he'd like he'd have like eat his like lean cuisine breakfast he'd do his workout eat his microwave lean cuisine breakfast and then be ready to take his shower and i'd just be in there dropping a deuce with the door locked he didn't enjoy that but i had a great pleasure in forking

him anyway we also had some good times with tom tangney so i shouldn't be too hard on him no it wasn't tom okay anyway so all of that is to say i'm at this uh town hall event with michael medved right just he's it's like a book reading or something he's down we're downstairs in the basement he's uh you know giving his spiel about whatever i don't know what it is and i'm in the back of the room and i'm recording it and he uses this example god we're so far from whatever prompted me to tell this story but he's talking about the public sector versus the private sector and how the private sector just obviously pushes excellence because there's excellence in competition right just that old that old saw and he's using the examples of transportation and he's like look at the roads around you look at the potholes look at the condition of our infrastructure in this country and that's because it's that's because it's run by the government but then you take a look at look at that look how great it is to fly look at the airline industry and you know what they've done and i'm like luke this is like 2009 i mean this guy had the cojones in 2009 wasn't i i'm pretty sure the airline bailout like out of the great recession happened like that year like i think like i think the airlines were currently being bailed the hell out while he's talking about like the excellence of the private sector and i remember being in the back of the everyone being like what like i had record scratches like going off in my brain just like are you how are you even saying this of course there's also a town hall seattle event so i'm sure that he really got it in the q a so whatever more of a comment than a question yeah exactly

if someone's holding a tote bag from some from from a co-op you knew they were going to come hard for medved but like i mean the thing is and you're right we're very far afield and that's on me really for talking about this lift driver conversation but what i would say and i'm you know i i feel like the term private industry is itself misleading and i'm not a communist if anything i think i'm having a slight drift towards the center generally in my life probably due to being old due to just whatever is going on with me but i will say this i think part of the problem is we use the term private industry as if these things exist in a vacuum as if the people that work there don't drive on roads that we all pay for as if cities and counties don't like give massive tax breaks to companies to try to lure them to places you know like i certainly believe in uh private in capitalism and in someone's right to start a business and to make a living doing it but none of it exists inside a vacuum and that's i mean very much to the point of what you're saying about medved like i mean i don't know if there's other than probably farming or coal or something i don't know there's a more subsidized industry in one way or another than

the airlines right yeah and you look at also it's a terrible experience in a lot of cases like they're also not only are they super super subsidized but also you it's one of the only industries where you can buy their product and not know if they will deliver on the surface

i got very lucky i'm going to give a shout out to my friends at alaska airlines all my flights were on time they worked i was i was a little nervous because i had to fly from portland to la to austin and then from austin to la to portland i was like somewhere in these four flights something is gonna get funky um and uh i was very pleasantly surprised that everything went off without a hitch

so thank thank goodness so it wasn't just a direct flight huh surprises me well they were sold out

and i mean i could have flown on a different airline but andrew i can't i can't go back to that life i can't i can't join the hoi polloi in the far far back of the aeroplane uh i have to i have to be flying on the airline where i can board first because for some reason i just want to sit on that airplane for a long time just look i've talked about this on the show endlessly but i was noticing last night i just catching myself doing it i have an actual walk that i do when they call for the gold 75k people and what the walk is supposed to convey is a certain casualness like a certain kind of like oh is that me oh okay well i get a kind of a don't make me sing like i don't i mean i don't really want to go up here but okay all right i'll go like because you have the people who are like have their status stuff on their luggage tags so they do when you get to that level they send you luggage tags that has your name and the like level you're at people put those on their luggage they're standing they're very erect they're like got their bags and their phones out and they're like inching forward in front of like the people with children like they're just ready to go and i never want to look like that person so i want to but i but i'll be goddamned if i'm not going to get on the plane first and so i kind of try to do this thing that just seems effortlessly like okay i guess whatever like this is but i'm not like obsessed with this but i will go up there right that's what i am

trying to convey with my body language and everybody notices don't think for a second

that which is the stupidest thing ever i don't know what i'm doing here's what i'm doing i'm proposing we take a quick break here uh 42 minutes into the show and uh then we come back we play a little round of monday mystery sound on tv too um i may have overhyped it so just manage your expectations it's not the greatest tape but i do think the story surrounding it is kind of entertaining. So, stay with us. This is DBTL.

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Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to do it today. Thank you.

That's the sound, Andrew.

What do you think is going on?

It's somebody imitating Bono. Somebody imitating Bono and singing a U2 song.

Okay. Yeah, I'm going to give you half a point because, yeah, you're halfway there. Can you guess who the person is and what the context might be? Hmm.

Is this something that happened to you? This isn't something that happened to you personally? No. This isn't from your life?

I saw this on the internet. This is not from my life. Okay, this is a video from the internet.

It is some, so that's not actually Bono, that is...

No, no, in fact, this person is just singing along with that song, With or Without You, is playing, so it's not like a Bono impersonator per se, it's someone singing along with Bono somewhere where other people noted it and started making a videotape.

Okay, this is notorious crybaby Joe Biden singing along with With or Without You.

Oh, God. That's a great guess. No, I think you would have heard Ben Shapiro having a field day already if that were happening. I'm going to play it for you one more time. This is also for the listeners. Try to guess what person is singing along with Bono and what the context might be for this Monday Mystery Audio.

You know, I don't even I think when I said it's somebody imitating Bono, I was making a joke because I thought I was listening for something other than the song. And I can just I can mostly just hear the Bono. So I don't I don't I I don't know.

Okay, this is, let me get the, this is Tracy Morgan sitting in the Omaha airport in the boarding area of a flight, fucking singing at the top of his lungs along with U2 on the airport music system. with or without you lemon um the thing that's amazing about this video is tracy morgan does not appear to be doing this for anyone's benefit he is not performing for his you know it doesn't appear to have an entourage he is just sitting exactly the way you would be sitting in one of those like rows of seats that then there's another row seats you know behind it that are like connected so everyone's sitting kind of back to back he is just straight up sitting in the waiting area of the in the omaha airport waiting for his flight singing his heart out to you too now i'm i just saw the video of it while you played it the

second time is this a moment is this something where we're supposed to say listen this is truly enjoying a moment of just a moment of life and we should feel good about it or is this somebody who might need help in some way and we should feel concerned about it it strikes me as just

Tracy Morgan kind of being Tracy Morgan he's on the Stern show a lot and uh and so you get to kind of hear him like you know obviously he played the character on on 30 Rock and also on the last OG which I think our friend Hollywood power player Wynn Rosenfeld was instrumental in helping create but um I think Tracy Morgan is just a guy who really uh has just gone through his life just enjoying himself and following his heart and doing things that he wants to do there was certainly no account that this was like a situation with tracy morgan this just seemed to be a moment of pure unbridled joy what i'm really bummed about is though this video was made by somebody who was far away from tracy morgan in the airport but there's also in the shot you can see a guy who's very close to tracy morgan is doing that thing where he's holding up his phone as if he's taping himself but he's clearly just taping tracy morgan over his own shoulder and that's the

sapruder film that i want to see that's i was going to say that i was gonna say how come all of these articles have this shot where they're there's clearly a guy who's got an even closer

shot i need that guy's shot what the heck that guy probably just has it on his phone still he was telling his friends god you wouldn't believe it I don't know. The guy, Tracy Morgan from SNL, Brian Fellows from SNL, who was just singing along to you, too. That's the key footage. And we need to get that.

Now, the only thing is I'm realizing that this fella, our Zapruder, doesn't get his phone out and recording until about halfway through. Actually, I'm looking now more than halfway through the footage that this person has captured, you know, the one that we're watching.

Because we have broader context.

This is like it's a wide shot and then we're going to a tight shot. And we don't know how long this moment lasted after this other person stopped theirs. But I'm looking – this guy, based on where he finally gets his phone up and hits go, there's 10 seconds left out of this 30-second clip. So we would have 10 seconds at least of a different perspective on this.

And that would be very illuminating because then we could see – because, again, it's a little grainy. It's a little bit difficult to make out exactly what's happening. but all accounts uh from what this person put on um you know i think i don't know if it started on tiktok or instagram or something i saw it on tiktok of course but um i brought so many books with me on my trip andrew i was like okay i'm gonna be in the air for like 10 hours i'm gonna bring i have so many books i have to read for livewire for the fall season i was like i'm just gonna treat this as like um 10 hours of uh of office time i can just get really hammer these books and just get make some progress and um i read zero pages of any of the books i just looked at tiktok and tried to get the uh serious app to play the mariners games for me when i was in the air and they were playing how about them mariners how about them mariners we got a text from our friend televisions chris hayes saying jealous of you guys and my response to him was i don't think jealous of you guys are words that have ever been typed out to people who are seattle mariner's fans like it is i i don't i'm sure that there's no way you'll remember me saying this andrew because i say so many things and so few of them are memorable but like i swear you and i were having a conversation i'm not trying to claim any credit for this but as as they were sinking into mediocrity i was said to you at some point i was like they're gonna have to go on one of those heaters they're gonna need to win like 10 games in a row like that's they're just gonna have to have that happen or this because they can't make this my thought was they can't make this up winning series like they're not going to gain enough ground to just generally getting two out of three if you have if you start the season winning series you'll be fine if you take two out of three all year but they had gotten themselves into such a hole that i was like they're gonna need a lightning strike they're gonna have to go on like a 10 game heater little did i know they They had 14 in them and counting.

I'm, yeah, I'm obviously very excited. It's still, you know, so now we're halfway through the season. They could go on another cold streak. They could go another hot streak after that. They could just maintain now. That's what I would like. I'd like to see them just, I mean, I don't think they're going to go undefeated in the second half of the season. That would be something worth watching, I would assume. I really hope that this all-star break isn't a speed bump. that they come back looking like a different team. And I know it's weird, but it's like we're winning now with some of our best players still on the IL, right? And it's one of those weird things. It's like, wait a second. Adam Frazier isn't supposed to be doing that, right? And like, you know.

Well, the thing is, he kind of was. I mean, he was an all-star, I believe, in either San Diego or Colorado. You know what?

I meant Hagerty, not Frazier. I'm talking Hagerty. Like, I think we're seeing. And again, not that Hagerty is blowing it up, But then suddenly we get we see the first in the park home run by Sam Haggerty. And I didn't know his helmet came off that he looked like somebody from pump up the volume. I had no idea that was going on underneath there. Like, it's just kind of like, yeah, wait, it's a little bit like last year where it's kind of like, wait a second. It was dubbed chaos ball. Right. Like, wait, is this happening with these people right now? And it's clicking right now. Now, part of me is kind of like, OK, well, if Hanager comes back, does that mess up the vibes? You know what I mean? Like what is happening right now? And how do we just not change anything? And here comes the All-Star break.

And do we try to get Juan Soto? Right, exactly. That's a biggie. Because, like, I am, listen, I am, I actually think putting really consistent, you know, people who have historically been good hitters in your lineup is good. Like, so I think bringing Hanegar back is good because it just, I think it, I think it will be better. I mean, bringing, Jesse Winker comes back from his suspension, right? And Jesse Winker's a guy who got off to a slow start, also had been an All-Star, I think, in Cincinnati. and then he you know he uh finally starts to hit a little bit then he gets suspended for whatever it was six or seven games and he comes back and he hits like two home runs in the double header like i think his first games back or something crazy like that so like that's good like i feel my senses and i haven't listened I don't know.

or watched every at-bat of his, but I feel like he was playing well and then he was gone and now he's back and he's playing well. So I take that as a good sign. I'm hoping that Hanager, when he's finally ready, and Kyle Lewis, they'll be able to. The other thing that gives me hope is our run differential, I think we're like plus, we're more now, but we were like, at some point we were like plus 21, which just means for people, that's funny because I'm about to explain this and you either already know what I'm talking about or you couldn't possibly care less. So I apologize for this. Just let me and Andrew have this time, everyone, please. We've done so much for you already on this Monday. So last year, so run differential is just like how many runs have you scored versus how many runs have all the teams you've played against scored in the games you've played them? So you would think that to win a lot of games, you would need to have more total runs scored than the other team. That's called run differential. The Mariners last year had an insane statistic where the other teams were scoring way more runs than them total, but the Mariners were winning games because I guess it would basically it would be like they would just lose in blowouts and then they would just win one run games. So the games that they won, they would only get a one run advantage there and the games they would lose would be like 15 to zero because and we call it the fun differential because it was they were winning even though they were scoring fewer runs in total than the other teams. This year, we're actually in the positive. So that kind of feels good, too. That feels sustainable to me. Like, we're winning games because we're scoring more runs than the teams we're playing.

Yeah, for whatever it's worth, I just wanted to look it up while you're talking about that. Right now, the highest run differential in the league, you know the team, Luke. The Yankees. It'll be the Yankees. The run differential is plus 199. They have outscored their opponents by almost 200 runs.

It's just nice to see some good stuff finally happening for that otherwise humble franchise from that small town.

The Nationals are at the bottom of the list with negative 149, so their opponents have scored almost 150 runs on them. Seattle is ninth in the rankings, which isn't so bad out of 30, and that is a positive 36, so much better than last year and, you know, hanging in the middle there, but at the top of the middle.

last year felt like unsustainable it's like you're somebody that walks in a casino and you just are betting on like you know some crazy thing and it keeps hitting and you're like this is great but this does not statistically this cannot continue indefinitely that's what the fun differential felt like but now it's like the other thing too and then i'll stop the other thing that i find really encouraging is i guess our bullpen is actually good like they were good last year and that was a complete fluke like nobody thought that they were going to be as good as they were and once again they have really shown themselves i mean they you know they when we were in the doldrums in like in june in may they had some some struggles but they've really gotten it together and now we have a very solid so like those to me are the kind of like unsexy but like critical components of a of a of a team if you have good pitching you're going to always be in games and now what we're sort of getting is whatever that magic pixie dust is that allows some teams to just kind of like i just think we're actually playing like we're not going to go you know i saw a stat yesterday if we would have to go 64 and 4 after the break to equal the record that we set in whenever it was 2016 we would have to go we would only be allowed to lose four more games this season oh my god you want to put that in perspective so um but and and dear god i hope the yankees don't break that record this year i have two things i'm rooting for the mariners to get to the playoffs and the yankees to just go absolutely ice cold and somehow not get to 116 We have so little as a fan base To hang our hat on From a historical perspective I just want us to keep that

Only because I've now got the stats page open At the end of the year last year What do you think Seattle's run differential was?

I think My guess is it would still have been in the negative

It was Minus 40 Negative 51 Number 18 in the league Almost dead center It shocks the mind Yeah, because last year ended up being a great year. And that's why that was so fun, too. Like you said, we should probably just end this. But I remember going to whatever the first game of the season I went to last year was, and it was much earlier than when I finally got out there this year. I remember being I remember listening to the Outlook Landing Mariner's podcast and them talking about how the bullpen was just like held together with like strings and wires. And Jerry DiPoto was just trying to just trying to make a bunch of weird trades and not spend any money and put together this bullpen that is just going to be terrible. And there's no talent in the bullpen. And I was angry and the hosts were angry. And why is why are they ignoring? the bullpen and then the bullpen was just weirdly good just weirdly good last year and then they know discernible reason and then they trade away kendall graveman exactly in the middle of the season who is our best closer and then it just becomes like what now now you're tearing apart the bullpen that was unlikely good at the beginning of this year i remember texting dirz or i assume somebody like that and just being like well this is the bullpen like mostly a lot of this mostly the same guys this is the bullpen that last year was supposed to be last year was a miracle like who knows but we're reverting we've regressed to the mean like all of a sudden yeah

these these these pitchers who are all sort of fine but none of them like you know considered to be top talent they're just now reverting back to being the pitchers they've always kind of been

last year was a was a fluke right exactly but then this year they started off pretty rocky this year we actually i'm actually forgetting the closer that um we gave a lot of money to and then he eventually dfa'd we actually got rid of one of the one of our star closers um or at least relievers And then this year, yeah So anyway, Castillo was just bombing out And then he just kind of comes back And is just like a totally different player now

So anyway, it is a really fun time To be a Seattle Mariners fan It's just fun to be like They're unequivocally the hottest team in baseball Or inarguably This is another stat that I saw the other day Which I don't know What I don't actually think that this is as um predictive as i wish it would be but i'm doing this from memory okay but in the history of mlb this is the longest okay 14 is the longest winning streak going into the all-star break in history of major league baseball two other teams have had i believe 10 game winning streaks going into the all-star break uh or maybe it was like three teams and two of those teams all of those teams went to the playoffs and two of them won the world series i saw a headline today that said

did you get that from the times because i knew that they saw it on twitter so much yeah and i saw the headline today something like uh the mariners are one of three teams to go more than 10 wins in a row going into the break how do the others do and i was like i will click on that later

but better yet did great luke clicked on it but i'm wondering if i think i just saw it yeah there you go my guess is those other teams were more like this year's yankees they were just so dominant that they won 10 games because they were winning a lot of games and then they also went to the World Series and won the World Series. I don't know. I'd be curious to see if those teams were more like the Mariners who were sort of struggling. One last little data point that I didn't even realize, but we were playing the Washington Nationals back in D.C., and the announcers were mentioning that in 2019, when the Nationals won the World Series, they had an atrocious start to the season they were like 20 games under 500 or something shocking and had also just traded away bryce harper to the philadelphia phillies who was their best player and they had a young guy named juan soto they had a 21 year old kid with a lot of crazy ideas named juan soto and they somehow got it together to get to the postseason and ended up winning the world series and i was like reminds me of a team that got off to kind of a slow start and has a 21 year old phenom and is now catching fire at the right time like i was like that's

kind of encouraging yeah i i gotta say i um i mean i've never watched playoff baseball for my team before so i don't even know what that's like and i've been thinking a lot about over the weekend i don't want to be pessimistic but i will just tell you that there is something in my brain i don't know if it's broken or unfortunately working perfectly right that just tells me that i'm not going to be watching that this year just because maybe i can't imagine it which is funny because at the beginning of the season before the first pitch was thrown i assumed i'd be watching the mariners in the post right that's what everybody was saying now here we're halfway through the season and in the you know the they're tied for their longest winning streak right now no no no their longest winning streak is 15 right and we're at 14 right now um but you know like just playing incredible baseball and seeing what you want to see from the players that you want to see it from like everything just clicking yet somehow i'm less optimistic i won't say i'm pessimistic but i'm less optimistic now only because i'm i just have this thing living in my head that says okay but when is the boot gonna fall when do they go when do the bats go cold again when does the

bullpen start giving up games again i think see i i again i feel optimistic because i think what happened was obviously they're not going to be they're not going to win every game but they are on paper a good team they have a pretty solid starting I mean they picked up the reigning Cy Young Robbie Ray that should give you some stability in your pen or in your your pitching staff they have solid pitching and they do have some good hitters when they have Hanniger back I mean Ty France is also an all-star now by the way Ty France is hitting over 300 Julio Rodriguez is a revelation Mitch Hanniger is a consistently good good hitter like they have good they actually have a good roster on paper and that's why everyone thought they were going to go to the playoffs at the beginning of the year then they just stumbled which some of it makes a little bit of sense because people were hurt people were out with covid or whatever all kinds of stuff was happening and um actually i don't know if anyone had covid but there was just like weirdness going on suspensions now i feel like they this winning streak basically hit refresh on the season they're basically starting over now and that and so now they can just play like the team that they were supposed to be which is like a pretty good pretty competitive team you know that's kind of what i'm looking at it as like they're going to go to the second half of the season they're not going to they're not going to be winning at a 98 win rate but they're going to be the team we thought they were going to be and i think they've gotten hot enough that they've they've erased enough of the mistakes they made in the first half of the season to give themselves a chance to just play well for the second half and then make the playoffs now you know what'll happen they'll actually get to the playoffs and then they'll trade for disron

watson and then you'll have to i kept thinking about that like there i mean i'm trying to think of anybody in baseball who's as despicable the thing about baseball is it's spread out more right like even if you have one problematic player on the team like it's one moving part as opposed to the face of the franchise right which is what happened in cleveland with um because i'm trying to think it's not um who's the uh guy who plays for the yankees now he gets traded around a lot he was a twin he's got like a lot of he's got a lot of bad ideas he's like the most despicable

person in baseball uh i'm blank yeah was he the guy that was like uh saying kind of racially

charged stuff to another player yes yes exactly i'm blanking on his name former twin i believe

um yeah i can't remember that guy's name here at the top of my head he doesn't sound like a super

great dude no um but anyway yeah oh and one just last thing while we're just broing down on this and and we've lost all of our listeners except for the mariners fans anyway i will just say that Carlos Santana has far far far exceeded my expectations oh my god I really that because

you know that happened at the sort of nadir point for this team right just like when we things were just as bad as they could get and then they're just getting this retread like a guy who's like not young and sort of the best days are behind him and I remember between the Justin Upton thing and carlos santana i remember just being like what are you even doing like how can you jerry depoto with a straight face present this to us as a solution you know that was where that was where my expectations were and um i just shows you this is a weird game you kind of never know what throwing something in the mix is going to sort of serve as some kind of bizarro catalyst And plus it just means we get so many more Carlos Santana smooth GIFs in the Text chain from Durs Which is also a fun element Yeah I don't like that

I dislike that song so much That even just seeing the I know But for some reason it triggers me

You think Durs, the king of indie music Is just vibing to Oh he loves smooth, are you joking?

That's his favorite song

Here I go once again with the email Every week, I hope that it's from a female No, man It's not from a female

We did not have a chance to get to the Nathan Fielder story Now, do you have HBO Max, Andrew? I do I don't want to give you an assignment But I do think it might be interesting to hold this Until maybe you've had a chance to watch just the first episode And then we could kind of, like, compare notes Because, you know, I liked Nathan for you Although I wasn't like, I didn't watch every episode, but I certainly was aware of it, and I thought it was a really interesting show. And so I was kind of, I was intrigued when I heard he had a new show, and then Becca and I watched it on Friday night, and I had very complicated feelings about it.

I hate it already from the description of it. I hate shows. I mean, that's even the thing I always hear about how Fielder is just like a comic genius, and I believe that. But his last show was not for me because I don't like anything that is anywhere near pranky or lying. Nathan was not for you. Nathan was not for me And it's just like I don't like anything That is kind of pranky Or lying Or cringy Or uncomfortable Or awkward Like it's my least favorite thing I will maybe watch A little bit of this But it doesn't sound like My kind of thing Through one eye Yeah

But okay So but here's the thing It's premised on this idea That if we could just Kind of get our ducks in a row And if we could just Rehearse enough That we could make Conversations that are That are Create anxiety for us We could make those conversations Go well And I know that you Are somebody who as you said You'll kind of relitigate conversations You had or things you said or whatever I actually think Your brain I'm not saying you're not You're not out there pranking an elephant I think there are elements of When I was watching the show I was like there might be some elements of this Andrew can relate to more than I can Because that's just not the

way my particular brain works about those kinds of conversations but anyway uh if you don't want to watch you don't have to watch it i don't want to um i don't want to traumatize you but uh at some point we should talk about this show because i do think it raises some interesting questions

and i will not watch the smooth video um i have some interesting emails here i'd like to share with you um i uh we you somebody on this show one of the people who hosts the show brought up recently um the ross and burbank mariners day when you and i were working on the show ross and burbank you were the burbank and ross and burbank i was the producer dave ross being the other host this is on cairo radio um we had a day where we got to broadcast we got to do the three-hour show from t-mobile park which was then i guess safeco field uh and then watch a day game and um and meet up with a bunch of listeners in the stands to watch the game together it came up i believe because you were also part of a pop you and Dave were invited to take part in some sort of pregame

pop fly which I had totally forgotten about like I have you know the the time that I got to throw out the first pitch that's very seared in my mind but I had completely forgotten that years later there was a different time I got to be on that field and it was standing in center field running to try to catch some kind of fly ball something yes now did you see this note from

the stanwood tens no okay dave wrote in to say i have some details about when luke and dave rosted a mariners event that you failed to talk about the other day no i'm sorry why did i say i just put the word fail in there the mariners event that you talked about the other day man i am i'm really looking for l's over here geez louise i don't know i guess i was seeing that as like freudian i thought it was like this for fail i thought it was like details we left out okay Anyway, Dave and Luke did their 9 a.m. to noon broadcast from the concourse out in center left field. And, yes, Andrew was producing at this point. This was August 22nd, 2012. Luke, we are almost exactly at the 10-year mark. We are one month away from the 10-year anniversary of this. I've sent you a photo of me producing you and Dave in the concourse. Dave sent that along as well. Oh, my gosh. Are you looking at it? that shirt that i'm wearing that shirt that i'm wearing i was just wearing that yesterday it's now got some holes in it and i wear it to do like yard work and stuff but i still have that baby um it says there was a lot of talk on the show that day about how felix had just thrown his perfect game that's right that would have been 2012 still the last perfect game in baseball um this was one of those games dave says like we've had uh for tbtl a few times where fans of ross and burbank could buy tickets and sit together in a section for the game which i think was a 1 p.m. game towards the end of the uh ross and burbank show the mariners reps told them that they had to find a small child to try to win prizes for before the game started and dave and luke were like how are we going to do that but then luke saw us walking nearby and was like hey dave and carrie and gwenny can you come over here gwenny who's about to turn 14 had just turned four at the time oh mg so the mariners folks took us all down onto the field for pictures and whatnot and then handed luke and dave ross giant fishing nets in which they had to catch fly balls that were shot out of a pitching machine i knew it was one of those proppy yeah yeah you're right and for every ball they caught we got prizes a jacket an autographed ball really really good tickets for another game it was awesome and so that that all went to the boy this explains the loyalty of the

stand with 10s i had no idea i had done them this extreme solid you're welcome well they have paid

us back uh in multiple times over um and uh they say here oh and the most of the people who bought tickets to see the game were 10s so dave ross was rather bemused by the whole experience in the stands and the ems beat cleveland three two one i do remember that it was mostly 10s who came out too because i must have i was new on tbtl at the time but established enough i guess because i think i started in 2012 yeah so anyway there you go that's amazing dave thank you for jogging our

memories that's yeah i'll make that the today show pick too oh my gosh that's yeah 10 years 10 years i can't believe it that's why andrew i feel so old when i go anywhere now in a major city when i landed in austin i was walking around trying to grab a little dinner and my hotel was in kind of the uh you know i guess i wouldn't even say it's in the the youth district i don't know what the youth district is what i know is i went into a couple of places just to find a little food and have a drink and i would just walk in i would take a look around and i would just do a u-turn and walk right out of there i could not find anywhere where i was not older than everyone

by 20 years Luke I was volunteering at my usual gig this Sunday and I was volunteering with a woman named Abby who I volunteer with you know off and on quite a bit um and I know that she's younger than me I also mostly see her you know all of us have masks on when we're doing that because we're dealing with food so I kind of forget what people look like I only know them from like the bridge of the nose up but anyway I know that Abby's younger than me um by a bit um and I also learned while we were just chit-chatting on Sunday that she grew up in New Hampshire she mentioned something about growing up on in New England and I'm like oh that's right you told me you grew up in New England where was it again she's like New Hampshire I'm like oh right I lived in New Hampshire for like 10 years and she's like oh really yeah I'm like yeah I worked for like New Hampshire Public Radio so that took me to Concord she's like New Hampshire Public Radio I love oh I miss it so much I used to listen to New Hampshire Public Radio all the time I'm like oh wow I bet you I mean you probably heard some of the shows that I worked on probably I'm like what era were you listening she's like well I was in high school so like 2015 2016 and I'm like oh none of the shows i worked on even existed anymore by that point they'd all been phased out like i was like do you know the name laura kanoi that was like the like laura kanoi was like i don't know who the the the comp would be but in like she was the face of nhpr you know what i mean she hosted the flagship show every right public radio market every local market has their laura kanoi and this woman didn't even know laura kanoi which is fine like it's just amazing i'm kind of like okay she's younger than me so maybe she heard like some of the stuff i worked on in 2008 before i got out of there but she's like well i'm still in high school so like 2015 2016 i'm like oh i don't even know any of those people anymore man i don't know i just i'm gonna go dig my grave no i don't feel that i'm loving life so i i don't i don't mean to make it sound like growing old is terrible or

anything well no it isn't here's just but this is the thing that i now understand i'm with you i i have no intention of going anywhere I'm very blessed to get to be on this planet that's brought home when you you know go to a memorial for somebody who left us far too young like Mike Frizzell did so I'm very grateful but I just know that I can't go to bars in popular cities like Austin like I can't just like literally I just wanted to get some dinner I was I called it a pretty early night but I like I just wanted to and everywhere I went granted maybe some of it was the area I was in but i just can't by myself go into places on a saturday night in austin and not and basically i just need to realize everyone is going to be like 26 and then i'm just going to like hide in the corner like a weird troll i wish i could have a t-shirt that says like i'm not trying to creep on anyone i'm not trying to interact with anybody i'm not trying to i i'm sorry you have to look at me and my old ass face just leave me alone while i eat my four cheese pizza please like that's the feeling i wrote on twitter like i used the carl havoc a logo that you know the guy from i think you should leave and i said it's me anytime i'm in a bar where i didn't realize how young the people were gonna be like it really is like oh i gotta get out of here like this is i'm not i'm not welcome and no one's even doing anything to me i just feel like i am an intrusion somehow

That's funny. I wouldn't want to go to places like that, mostly because I feel like young people like louder, less comfortable settings. Like, I don't think like I feel so invisible at this point. Like, I don't feel as self-conscious. I just think that people like beautiful young people probably just don't even see me. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think I have ever left a place. Now, you and I are going to different kinds of places in these contexts anyway, so maybe I can't relate. But like, I don't think I've ever felt like, oh, I'm too old for this place and people think I'm a troll in the corner. I just that doesn't bother me. But I just chances are, if it's a younger person's place, it's going to be probably too loud and too busy. And if I'm trying to get a drink, I won't be able to flag anybody down and it wouldn't be a comfortable experience for me just based on my slow lifestyle.

I also think there's something specific about Austin, Texas right now in this moment. It is an extremely attractive city to people. i think there were a lot of a lot of young people like tourists come into the town for you know on like a nice weekend so i think it was especially pronounced and kind of where i was staying i was walking down you know we did the show at stubs i was um walking along i think that's called like red river road or something i always forget the names but i was walking along that street and i just was overwhelmed at how many young people were out and about and waiting in line to see shows and and just in their little clicks of people and i just again i just felt extremely out of sync with everyone and i just wanted to get my little meal and get back to the hotel like um i was considering just going to the hotel and just like ordering doordash to my hotel room but that felt overly reclusive um but but um i do think that there's something about us because It's okay.

places in portland i just don't i know i don't go wherever that section of portland is i don't go to that section of portland i don't know what that section of portland is right i go to the part of portland where the people look a little more like me in terms of their age and their interests and their vibe so um i probably just found myself in that part of austin kind of unexpectedly right

the way we were trying so hard to find a dive bar when we were in denver right but like the places that were listed as dive bars were like oh my god that was that exact taken over by younger people

one thousand percent that was exactly what i was experiencing because i didn't have you and john to commiserate with right because like we walked like from our airbnb we walked like uh you know a fair distance to get to this bar that was listed as like a great dive bar in in denver and it i'm sure it was at one point it was a very cool space yeah building but it was just had the exact people i saw in austin andrew spilling out of it just like people in their early mid-twenties some lady some young woman person uh yelling at us that they weren't there to be hit on or something and we were like it couldn't have been what was it or she's not here she's not trying to talk to you or what

was i didn't even you guys told me late i found out on the show that that's what she was saying i thought she was just drunk and yelling at us saying keep moving keep moving which i thought that's maybe what she was doing but you and john told me that she was also saying something like we're not here to get hit on keep moving something look at us do we look like quasi married guys

just like tromping down the street also Andrew it does torpedo your theory though that people don't see you that lady saw you long enough to say get away from me creep that is true but I don't care you are seen we should end the program today alright that's going to do it for today's show are the Mariners playing today

Well, it's the Home Run Derby, yeah, which are you going to try to watch that? J-Rod. What's that? Are you going to try to watch that?

Depending on the timing, yes. I have some stuff going on this afternoon, but I love that Home Run Derby now. Yeah, it's fun. And particularly with the inclusion of Julio, I'm extra excited about it. So I will tape it, if nothing else.

Yeah. Oh, that taping. Oh, wait. I don't have the functionality to tape it anymore. I have a friend coming. Well, I can, you know, Hannah, my Spotless co-host, is actually in town. So she's coming over here to record a Spotless, which I really got to produce. And then I think the plan is for us to go to a neighborhood bar that she wants to check out. And the plan was to watch Mariners. I forgot the All-Star break was on. So maybe I'm hoping that maybe we can get there at a time where we can post up and watch the Home Run Derby because she loves baseball, too. Anyway, you didn't ask, but that's my plan.

That sounds like a fun afternoon. yeah well we hope you all out there have a fun safe afternoon as well thanks for listening to the program today we're gonna be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you until then have a great Monday take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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