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I know we've only known each other for four weeks and three days, but to me it seems like nine weeks and five days. The first day seemed like a week, and the second day seemed like five days, and the third day seemed like a week again, and the fourth day seemed like eight days, the fifth day you went to see your mother and that seemed just like a day but then you came back and later on the sixth day in the evening when we saw each other that started seeming like two days so in the evening it seemed like two days spilling over into the next day and that started seeming like four days so at the end of the sixth day on into the seventh day it seemed like a total of five days and the sixth day seemed like a week and a half I have it written down but I can show it to you tomorrow if you want to see it

T-B-T-L Guess what day it is Guess what day it is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.

There are many ways to keep one's lips conditioned. I don't kiss, for example, 24 hours before a performance because kissing makes your lips mushy, and we cannot have mushy lips and be a champion.

Actually, you know what? I could email you. Or, you know, you could email me at splat2 at splatnet.net. Splat1's my father. I mean, I'll be sad to see him go. It'll be nice to get my hands on that handle, you know?

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL. A show that just might be too beautiful to live. Sounds expensive. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. Oh la la. Coming to you once again from beautiful Los Angeles, California.

California got sunshine.

Where it has been oddly chilly. Like in the 70s. I don't know what's going on. I am now the merchant of cool temperatures as I travel around the country. Here we are everybody. We've arrived at episode 3,743 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. We're going to try a new segment today. TBTL Explained. Explaining how a show works means the show's already in trouble. We're going to answer some listener questions about TBTL lore and the origins of how certain bits got started. Pieces of audio, sayings, what have you.

explaining how a show works means the show's already in trouble playing the same drop twice

really means the show's in trouble i was gonna play this past is history the future is a mystery anyway we're gonna try tbtl explained coming up also speaking of successful podcasts maybe not this one but some that are successful there are podcasts that are charging their guests 50 thousand dollars to be a guest on their show podcasts are the future of show business And in this article that I read about it, it featured a line that chilled me to my absolute core. Just one of the worst lines I've ever heard in the history of podcasting. So we'll get into that potentially on this Friday. Plus, we've got some music for your weekend. And we've got this guy, the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Also, though, known as the guy who got himself hot in front of Lenny Samosky Jr. He's a spider of death. He's just, there's something about him, you know He is Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now Hello my friend Hey Luke, you know that drop you just played

Of Mark Maron The one I played twice Well not that one Although there was another one you played that I was wondering what the origin of it is But the Mark Maron podcasting is the future of show business There was a point where, that was probably from Maron's TV show Where he played himself a podcaster And that was probably sarcastic And honestly, it turned out to be true. Like podcasting was the future of show business because it was like a way for people to create TV shows based on intellectual property created in podcasts. Like this that has become true and it's no longer ironic.

You're absolutely right. I was on Sunset Boulevard the other day and I look across the street and in this beautiful gleaming skyscraper, actually not really a skyscraper, but very large, beautiful building on Sunset. I just saw the word wondery, and I was like, holy shirt balls. That is a very profitable operation, which I thought was a pretty terrible idea when it started, which was, let's just do basically true crime podcasts, we'll own the IP, and then Hollywood will come a-court-in. And like, you know, season whatever of Dirty John later on television, they've got...

They're in a beautiful building on Sunset making lots of money.

Yep, and that was always the plan. I had a friend who worked for them as a writer, an underpaid writer, for a podcast. It was an early podcast. I want to say it was pre-Dr. John. What is the podcast? Dr. Death? Well, there's Dr. Death, and then there's Dirty John. Dirty John. Together, you get Dr. John, who I believe is a New Orleans musician. R.I.P. Yeah. Anyway, he's not part of this at all. But, yeah, no, I remember that my friend was writing for them and just said, you know, they don't pay us much. And their whole thing is we're going to write these things and then people are going to come to us to turn them into TV shows. And that was I can pinpoint that because I was living in L.A. at the time. I had that conversation. That was like 2013, 2014. So anyway, congratulations, Wondery. I know, right?

This is actually a great intro into the story that we want to talk about on yesterday's show and didn't get to. Ashley Carmen writing a piece for, I think this might have been Barons, about Business Weekly. Thank you. The Business Weekly of the Barons of weekly business magazines. Business Weekly, thank you. About all these podcasts that are now charging their guests, because obviously it's a great promotional opportunity. And I guess this is fairly common. And it seems to happen a lot in the kind of like sort of entrepreneurial and life hack space, Andrew. That whole kind of genre. By the way, maybe somebody's going to ask us to explain that. Yeah. Why we say genre weird. That's a nod to Alex Trebek. But a lot of these, there are just so many podcasts that are about like maximizing your efficiency and just absolutely owning the day or whatever. And those are the kinds of places, and wellness podcasts as well, where people are now charging their guests. In fact, there's a whole company now that does this called Guestio. And they basically broker deals between guests and podcasts. Wow. Yeah. I'm sure they're going to get a building next to Wondery very soon. Yeah, no, if they don't already. Something that just seems so silly to me.

Maybe it's coming from inside Wondery. I wonder if this Guestio is also like part of a, you know what I mean? all these things are kind of part of the same machine these days how much do you actually i should look into this because i think i'm the one who booked her but we had uh our friend kat solen on the show the other day i can't remember how much money she gave us to be on the show well she i believe donates to the program she donates to the program okay yeah it's north of zero dollars and south of 50 000 exactly there is a there is a moment off air with kat i wouldn't call it an uncomfortable moment i don't think the moment was uncomfortable i think i was slightly uncomfortable in this moment which can be a moment that i'm not um but cat solan of course our friend the director who the hollywood director who was uh pretty well placed we've got we've got

a number of hollywood power players that are in the orbit of this show yeah you know i'm actually

upset at myself for not bringing this up on the show when cat was on the show of course you know Well, we have another Hollywood power broker, Wynn, who is on the show from time to time. And they know each other. In fact, Kat is the person who made the and directed the animated intro to all of the Monkey Paw Productions. Yes. Of course, Jordan Peele's production company, which our friend Wynn Rosenfeld is the president. What is his title there? He's also a client. He's also a client, which is when you're talking about Monkey Paws, you don't want to get messed up in that stuff.

Yeah, I think he's basically in charge of Monkey Paw. I mean, I would say Jordan Peele is probably in charge of it, but if someone else is in charge of it, it's our friend, Hollywood power player Wynne Rosenberg.

Yes, and his full head of hair that I'm intensely jealous of. It's getting thicker. I know. I don't know what's going on with that. He's got a picture of himself going bald in an attic somewhere. I don't know. But I was going to say there was a moment in that picture of Dorian bald.

Is that how that works? Yeah, I think so. In some sort of magical realism way, if you can just get a picture of yourself that's going bald somewhere, but you can trap it, then the human existence for yourself, you'll be fully her suit.

I'll be honest with you. I've never read A Picture of Dorian Gray.

Is that what happens in A Picture of Dorian Gray? It's not about aging.

It's not about balding. It's about aging. I see.

Well, you tell me. I saw that book on the library when I was a kid on the shelf in the library and did not pick it up.

A picture of Dorian Gray. I have not read this myself, but it's a go-to. Let's see here. Oscar Wilde. The story revolves around a portrait of Dorian Gray. A friend of his had painted it. The artist was infatuated with Dorian's beauty. Let's see here. Newly understanding his...

beauty will fade. Dorian expresses a desire to sell his soul to ensure that the picture, rather than he, will age and fade. Wow. Yeah, so that's what the picture Dorian creates. That was

apropos, Andrew. So I believe the man

maintains his beauty, but in an attic somewhere. I don't know why an attic. I keep thinking

an attic. Get me one of those pictures. Yeah, right?

I mean, it's already... That's what I'd say. Winn Rosenfeld has some... I mean, he's got some portrait of himself somewhere where he's got Peter Sagal's hairline, but there he is out on tiktok with his shots fired with it hey i could have said mine almost just as easily but um yeah so uh anyway i was gonna say that there was a moment where we were talking to cat off air and of course cat is a person who hooked us up with an artist who made the models of um the the bobble heads that we gave away i don't know several years ago now These weird bobbleheads that were Based on photoshopped Recreations of you and I and Tennis whites from the 40s I don't Know bring it up in the next segment But anyway I was kind of like When we were talking to her I was like wait a second Did you end up even getting any of those Bobbleheads and then she did Say that she had some but it was unclear to me Whether we ended up sending them to her Like we should have for Being the person who made that project come true Facilitated them happening Get them because she's a donor, Luke. I pray that we sent her some of those damn things. Kat, if you're listening, I have some more in my closet. You can have all of my bobbleheads. You can have my entire – I have a box way back. It's actually kind of my little box of Dorian Gray stuff. I have a box of just TBTL trotchkes way back and kind of in this closet underneath our staircase that I went through when I was moving. Like, remember those promotional postcards they made for us back when we were on something called, what was the network called when we came here? Oh, Infinite Guest? Infinite Guestio. You know what? This makes sense now. Steve Nelson is in charge of this Guestio company. Right, exactly. But we have, like, Infinite Guest era promotional postcards that were sent to us that we were supposed to spread around. Those are probably valuable.

Those are probably fetching a top price on the secondary markets right now. hope so how about the podcast called entrepreneurs on fire does that sound like the kind of thing that you'd be dying to listen to because they're charging 3500 bucks for an appearance wow and they

have such a reach and they're saying like hey you place our like self-help person like self-help that doesn't have to just be like mental wellness right self-help is also just like how to get ahead in your industry right so like essentially this is all self-help we're kind of more of a well yeah Actually, I won't make that joke, it's a little dark

I think I know where your brain was going to go And everyone can fill in the details Or not What's not self-helping, that's kind of what we do Over here What was interesting was that Ashley Carmen Who wrote this piece, it would appear that she Actually, it was sort of Schrodinger's article, because her point Was a lot of these podcasts were not Saying that these were like paid Appearances, and then after she interviewed them about it then they went back and re-recorded like a disclaimer that said something to the effect of uh there's a you know there's a financial relationship or whatever so she's kind of checking the different ones and kind of what their level of transparency is with their listeners this is the line that i just really uh did not um enjoy when i was reading about entrepreneurs on fire so the disclosure that they give on entrepreneurs on fire they end each episode by saying today's value bomb content was brought to you by dot dot dot today's value bomb content i just can't think of of of something that sounds worse in my ears than today's value bomb content yeah i mean i've

value bombed before certainly on this show but i don't know we bomb constantly yeah where's my

money give me my value that we're adding to the listeners lives is that we bomb every time we try to make a joke or improvise or do an impression but can you imagine if we with a straight face described what we're creating as value bomb content i guess that's like them playing off a truth bomb which is another phrase that i really don't like either it's just a whole world maybe i just resent this sort of world of self-improvement podcast because i've given up on improving myself i mean literally like there was a time when i would read those like you know Those Tim Ferriss books, you know, the whatever four-hour body or something or four-hour work week or like these kind of like – I used to really actually be trying to get more fit and be healthier and make more money. I mean there was a time when I had motivation and I just don't have it anymore and to know that there's a whole thriving world of people that are just like on the peloton but listening.

to their entrepreneurs on fire podcast that just really does not appeal to me it's probably out of

jealousy yeah i was going to say like what listen none of that appeals to me either but neither do a million things in this world um but what is it that kind of gets under your skin about it is it the idea of the people who are listening it doesn't seem like you're kind of people is it that is it both sides of that is also just like jealousy about the podcast being so successful or you not having respect for those types of that type of content for lack of a better word

You know some of it is actually can be very useful And so it's not that It's not that I dislike the people who are listening Or I think of them negatively It's I don't know I feel like there is a TED talkification Of our lives That I'm just kind of over As like you know These like And I'm not answering your question by the way So I am bombing Congratulations everyone But I don't know There's just this kind of Energy around Somebody on a stage with One of those small like head microphones It's like a little mole on their Cheek and I don't know This all feels like it's kind of related This just like relentlessly And I don't know why I resent anyone just trying to have a better Healthy or happier more productive life There's also I guess part of it is that there's just Like a culture around a lot of it for some reason Value bomb seems to Typify it for me it just feels like These I don't know it's just something

that feels very synthetic about it to me oh absolutely yeah oh absolutely absolutely synthetic um i even think like if uh value bomb it's also it's somewhere between truth bomb and a value add which is luckily i don't even think that's slang anymore like i think that that's like pretty old school but like i remember a time when the idea of a value add was a new idea and it was around the time of like you know people were digit you know going digital and online and everything and it's just like well what is the value add what is the value add and it's like one of those phrases that like you're first of all you're kind of torturing the language with it a little bit and it's just like oh god it makes your teeth hurt yes do you think we could ever get away with charging people to be guests on our show though I think that my guess is we will get to a point where we are paying people to listen to our show I don't know if that's the same thing is that where this ends is that the eventual I feel like we're moving in that direction I'm not sure that's not fair actually people are But, I mean, especially you and I were just having a little meeting before the show looking back at the TBTL-a-thon. And actually, I shouldn't even joke about that because we're so lucky that people actually do make it possible for us to do this.

And next time you and I are feeling down, Andrew, which is most of the time, we should just glance at some of the data around the loyalty of the TBTL listeners. It's really remarkable when you compare it even within American public media to folks that support other shows. It's just it's off the charts what the people who are listening right now and who are donating are doing to, like, let us have this as our job. So, yeah, thank you very much. But I am not I am not above paying people to listen. That's what it gets down to.

Me, too. And don't forget. I mean, this is the important thing. And I assume you do not forget this because it'd be weird if you did. But don't forget the numbers that came out several years ago that said I am the most likable host on American public media. Wasn't that the metric likability?

I believe, yes, but I also think, was it Diebold who did the polling machinery? I think there are some questions. I think there are some hanging chads. I feel there may have been. We just need election integrity as it relates to you being the most popular host on APM. There are some hanging Chadwicks.

Well, Alex Chadwick. Is that an Alex Chadwick reference? Oh, hell yeah, it is.

It's Friday, baby. Yeah, man. It's a Friday, and we are letting our hair down. By the way, this Guestio company, they both will go get a guest for you for your podcast, and you can pay the guest to be on, or they will help. Basically, if you want to pay $15,000 as a show, you can get Manny Pacquiao. So it's not just that people are paying to be a guest. If you're famous like the boxer Manny Pacquiao, people will pay you to have them on their podcast. And Guestio apparently will help broker that deal. For $15,000, we could have Manny Pacquiao on this show.

How much do you have? I'm looking through my wallet here. I've got like $24 here. Bad night at Hollywood Park last night. Wait a second. Temporarily late. Oh, Hollywood Park. I have a card room question for you, Luke. A North Seattle card room question for you here. love to weigh in on whatever this is so i was driving north on aurora and i was up in shoreline so i'm up and i've passed this several times now but um i noticed it when we were when we were new to like kind of this area um you know i know where goldies is that's a car room that is oft spoken about on the show and oft visited by uh you and our friends um i haven't been there in a long time by the way um but then when you keep going north there is uh one that was being like a card room that would looked really new and shiny and they were being renovated they were either being renovated or created right around the time we moved here and it's like hollywood something what is that place has it been around for a while and they just renovated

or is it new it's been around for a while so um right before you get to the hollywood casino there was something for years called the drift on yes you took me there once that was loved it that was the like platonic ideal of like kind of lame card rooms on aurora that we loved and jessica and the mummy and i i mean we just lived at that place um because they had like maybe four tables you can play blackjack or whatever and the thing was they were i mean it was just smart of them but they were they would just give you food comps like crazy just to keep you around again very smart business model because i would stick around for a free black and blue burger and then i would you know end up losing eighty dollars so wildly overpaying for that black and blue burger but we would just we just loved that place then the drift on in for some reason went out of business probably just didn't have enough room like there weren't enough tables you just need to have i think a lot of capacity on like a a busy night and so i think i don't know if it was the same people Or not but somebody built this big Other place next to it Called Club Hollywood and It's funny because it's it's sort of Like an off off brand planet Hollywood oh okay it's Got movie posters inside like the Theme is Hollywood yeah it's Like Hollywood came to Aurora Avenue

In Shoreline yeah right right right So that isn't the drift on and that's next To the and then the thing next To it has become like Aurora Borealis Or something or I might be confusing my north seattle uh establishments is there a place called aurora boreal i don't know about that but

yeah i don't think that place that was the drift on in has been an active like casino for kind of

a while even now okay i'm gonna look this up because i feel like i pass it and it seems like it's a one-two punch of dens of iniquity uh which is i believe another oscar wild well i had been

i was i was in um i mean yeah like i i certainly had nights you know in my younger days when i was a little wilder where you just like be losing like crazy at the drift on in so then you'd like try to change your mojo by walking across the parking lot to a different rigged casino and then go play at hollywood or vice versa like as if like as if somehow you can change the odds by

just changing your physical location okay so you have club hollywood i just love that club hollywood casino which is called a gambling dining and movie museum by the way uh-huh and then let's here next to that there is a place called aurora borealis but i was wrong that and it looks like it is the building next door so i do think that that has probably the drift on end became is it a club but i don't think it's a club it looks like it is just i'm gonna look this up here uh it's actually

kind of a clever name for a business on aurora avenue by the way yeah i'm kind of surprised that

they're the first ones to get there looks like it might just be a bar um a bar restaurant comedy They have comedy there Oh okay so it's like yeah kind of a venue now Music comedy event Yeah it's like a venue in a bar

The other thing about this podcast stuff is You know $3,500 Andrew We could be on Entrepreneurs on Fire Would that be a good use of promotional dollars Because Lord knows APM doesn't do much to cross promote us Could we just see if they would give us $3,500 so we could get on a more popular podcast And then talk about TBTO

I feel like that's not a fair thing to say In defense of American public media We did have one promo that ran in front of TIG Show once about two years ago.

Which was actually great, and you orchestrated that. Yeah, no, I do appreciate that. And that was a huge boon for us.

We should do more of those, APM bosses. We should. But, yeah, so I would be interested in doing that. Now, the question is, are we, and think about this before you answer. Take all the time in the world. Don't worry about dead air. Are we entrepreneurs, do you think? Would you consider yourself an entrepreneur? You? No. have more of a claim to that than i do because you did keep tbtl yes as an independent business

for a long ass time like you know somehow long time at the beginning of this show when we got fired from the radio i would have considered myself i guess to be sort of entrepreneurial or a small business owner because i had this thing tbtl that we would do every day and people would donate money and we had some advertising um but then when we partnered with apm and we just became employees of that place who do this for our job then i think that was the end of my entrepreneurial days yeah i don't think of myself as an entrepreneur i'm an employee of american

public media yeah that is true and don't don't anybody forget i was in a

employee of yours like for a while i mean that is the way to it right like you paid me money to do tbtl you know like you paid me i guess monthly or whatever but like you know i had to file taxes so

i mean i guess that's why i call you my boss daddy somehow though being that i was very early in the podcast game and we have had the great luck to get to do this for all these years how am i how do i not have a building that says tbtl on the side of it like i managed to be in the podcast game longer than almost anyone and make no money off of it like i mean you know i've made a salary which is great and i'm very grateful for but they're just i feel like there are just so many business models where so many people are getting so rich off of podcasting it's just absolutely wild and somehow that's not us we're taking the slow we're taking the slow and steady route to this podcasting

game i don't think i'm making this up you tell me if i'm exaggerating on your behalf but i maybe i shouldn't raise it because i think it's a point of contention with you but wasn't there a moment before marin began his podcast where he reached out to you for advice or am i making that yes

that's a true story he asked me yes this i i'm sure i've told the story on tbtl and it's about a conversation i believe that was on the air or maybe he and i were chatting before we started recording but you know when he first started out he was very excited because somebody was sending him free coffee and he was telling me yeah I'm getting free coffee which is pretty cool and I remember thinking oh you you little lamb you like you have no idea how cool we are we have Chateau Saint-Michel as a sponsor and you're getting free coffee we get coffee mugs my friend we get coffee and the mugs to drink it out of exactly that's how cool we are because you know we were in the sort of in the early days of podcasting also the data we were getting was wildly misleading we were being told we were getting like two million you know downloads a month or something and i was just like this is the most successful show that's ever existed um and then of course mark maron's show took off and became a cultural phenomenon and um and we're still here andrew and that's what matters so we're still doing the show but um but i remember jesse thorn helping mark set up his audio gear uh-huh oh so Thorne did too yeah yeah Jesse like went over to his house and like set his mics up for him or something I mean it was that kind of just like improvised at the beginning and you know I look at far too much TikTok for a person my age and most of what I see now on TikTok are podcasts that the video feed of podcasts just like a two-minute you know clip of like Theo Vaughn talking to somebody or these guys I reference kind of a lot Tom Segura and Burt Kreischer they have a show called Two Bears One Cave and I just see like 20 second clips of it and I find it you know very entertaining but also like I don't know if the TikTok side of it is monetized but just generally these podcasts are some of them are just printing money for people and I don't know how it is that we missed out on that boat but again we're happy to have this as a job we're very grateful to the listeners it's all fine but I can't believe how successful like going back to your original thing when mark maron said podcasting is the future of show business as a joke he couldn't have known how actually correct it was and that he would be probably the the first

household name connected to it maybe aside yes um exactly yeah uh sarah koenig maybe but um i want actually no i mean i'm sure blind study you say those two names more people probably know maron of course right but oh 100 are you talking because of serial yeah i mean serial people you know kind of cite that as their gateway podcast and and the culture is kind of gateway podcast in a lot of ways but the name Koenig is not um is just not as well known as Marin and of course Marin was already in tv you know tv shows and all kinds of things I mean I knew Marin from being a kid watching um whatever the was I think he was in the vh1 I think he hosted yeah no two drink minimum he hosted right wasn't that his some some stand-up show you know there's a lot I watch a lot of stand-up in the 90s. There were a lot of those shows, and one of them I think was Two Drink Minimum, and maybe he hosted that one, or maybe it was Short Attention Spam Theater. I can't remember which one he hosted, but I knew who he was when I was 13 years old. Well, then he was on Air America. Oh, right. Sure.

I think I was doing the Bryant Park Project, and he's doing Air America, and then Air America went out of business or something. But yeah, so he's had a long and storied career, and it's always been very nice to me, by the way. He has a bit of a reputation for being kind of prickly, but I've never had an interaction with him that was that was negative at all. He was always he and I have always gotten along just fine, too.

I have before we move on, I know we're probably take a break here in a second. Then we come back. We're going to answer listeners questions about TBTL. Like if you've been listening for a while, but you don't know why we say a certain phrase or play a certain drop. I'm going to be going through your emails. We'll try to answer those. But I.

have a question I want to add to the pile as well Luke and it refers to one of the drops that you played at the beginning of the show so I just want to say I don't know if you usually like you probably put together a little playlist of your drops don't I've still got it right in front of me okay don't clear that I want to because I don't even know which drop it was but I want you to play all the drops again because one of them I want to know what the what the origin story of it is

okay okay we will do all of that in a moment when we come back here on TBTL

hey guys it's me Andrew I just want to sneak in my own little promo here actually i guess this is the opposite of a promo this is an anti-promo because instead of telling you about something that you should be on the lookout for i'm telling you about something that is not happening and that is the newsletter this week that's right way to skip the newsletter this week but don't worry everything's fine just some scheduling things um we'll be back next week but you should know that if you see a tbtl newsletter from me in your inbox today don't open it. It's not from me. And you probably have ghosts in your house. Thank you, baby.

All rightily, let's thank some donors of the day. Speaking of our unique business model, this is the only way that we get to do the show is because generous people send in money every month, and we really appreciate people like Soralia Pollock in Cedar Park, Texas. Thanks, Soralia. Elizabeth Dean is in Chicago, Illinois. Thank you, Elizabeth. Chris and Jen Gay are in Halifax, Massachusetts. Oh, you thought it

was. Oh, twist ending.

I know. I know. I'm glad I read all the way. This is why you always read to the end of the article, Andrew. Yep. Thank you so much to Chris and Jen. Also, Clinton Perry is in charlatan lund denmark

cool that's very cool did i say that right charlatan lund

charlatan lund i feel like i want to move to denmark and live on a narrow boat there's a more specific term for them that i can't think of off the top of my head but like part of what tiktok has now delivered me is a lot of just very peaceful content of people on these like kind of narrow, long boats that you can live on and just kind of go around the canalways and riverways of Europe. It seems very peaceful. A very peaceful existence. I can see that appealing to you. I'm more of a wide boat guy. Famously. Maury Higgins is in Lincoln, Nebraska. Thanks, Maury. And then Sandy Taggart is in beautiful Portland, Oregon, where I'll be going very soon. Where it's going to be 102 this weekend, Andrew. My goodness. Whoa, really? Yeah, so stay cool, Sandy. You want to drink water, and you want to stay indoors where the A.C. is. That's my tip for beating the heat. How did you come up with that? A lot of careful study of weather patterns and hydration, and that's what I'm able to tell you. Thank you so much to all of our donors of the day for making the show possible. We would not be here without you. I just realized, Andrew, I should have made some kind of a special TBTL Explained audio package or something. I know, me too.

I should have done something kind of clever. I don't know if this is the right thing to do or not, but I was actually thinking about this yesterday because I was thinking what I would love is a nice little musical intro to this segment, because I'd like to keep this going. But we're limited in the amount of music we can use these days if it's copyrighted at all. And also, I mean, again, maybe – see, I feel like I'm coming off as being thirsty here. I don't want to be thirsty. I like when these things are more organic, but like if a listener who's got a little bit of musical inclinations, even if you just want to call the voicemail line and sing something, but I would say let's open it up. If anybody wants to create a little musical intro for – is it TBTL Explained? Is that what we're calling it? We're not going to get sued by a box? Well, you know, the funny part is – yeah, exactly.

Today Explained, which a TBTL friend and a supporter, Amina Alsadi, is the executive producer of her.

Yeah, and do you know who she recently hired? Who? Avishai Artsy, my good friend, who I believe I hired him. I believe I hired him for his first professional public radio gig because he was an intern at New Hampshire Public Radio. Then he went to Lincoln, Nebraska, actually, speaking of Maury Higgins, our donor today. I was trying to think, isn't Lincoln where some famous indie bands come out of? Maybe I'm wrong. That's Omaha. Ah, that's Omaha, right. That's where Saddle Creek Records is, all the Bright Eyes. Bright Eyes is exactly what I was thinking. But Lincoln, I hear, is a nice...

place too anyway yeah so Avish I who I've just known forever um I hired him back from Lincoln Nebraska New Hampshire then he and I ended up working at the same radio station in LA about a decade later and I can't tell you and again I don't know if this is interesting to the listeners actually wait yes I do know and the answer is no but like it just delights me so much like exactly like I love Amina so much I didn't I knew that Amina was working for Vox I didn't realize that until like i don't know a couple of months ago that she is the big boss of one of my favorite podcasts today explained over there and that um now now avishai is on that team as well who i know you know also through public radio but completely different worlds in my mind just completely different universes of people i know and it just brings me so much joy to know that

those guys are all working together over there do you think it will make uh i'm gonna mad that we're ripping off the name of their show to call this tbtl explain i think that what we should do

is get her to produce the segment for us since she's a hotshot executive producer and maybe zhuzh it up. Like, she would be rolling in here with a theme song, I think. Like, she wouldn't be begging her listeners.

This would be a much better show if we had any kind of production thought on it. Yes, exactly. But wait a second. Before the break, you said you wanted to hear some audio from me and get the origin story on one of these drops.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me of that. So what were the drops? Start by just saying the drops you used today. Steve Brule sounds expensive. Okay, I know that.

Sounds expensive. Cisco Morris, the gardening expert from the Northwest, sang Ooh La La probably as he stared into a daffodil. Ooh La La. The lead singer of Smash Mouth singing California Got Sunshine from this famous, I believe, no, maybe the song was released, but basically it was one of those things where the isolated vocals Got out in the world And the lyrics of this California Got Sunshine song Are just so Kind of ridiculously silly That we used to play like Play the whole track of him Just singing along these silly words But now when I'm in California I'll just play this California Got Sunshine

And I always think even though You've told me a million times that that's Smash Mouth I always think it's the Red Rocker

Yep it is not Sammy Hagar

That is Smash Mouth No not the Red Rocker Yeah I always think it's David Lee Roth

rather yeah diamond dave yeah sorry um i have the man i'm so tempted to we have probably a lot to actually get to so i don't need to play this but just i think this is just called smash mouth on my like in my apple music thing like that i've saved i don't know if this is that song let's just take a listen though to see if maybe it is come on yes okay it is so the music's playing his headphones he's waiting for his chance to sing

California got sunshine Hanging out with your friends Setting up for a good time Just want a million So you drive a brand new band It's days like these You really want to have now That's what I'm talking about And don't you know It's days like these That make you want to chill Enjoy the ride

Yeah, the day that you want A million dollars Yeah You want to chill and enjoy the ride. Yeah, it's like these.

Nothing goes wrong. Everything's all right. Now when you deliver like a winner every single time.

I think, honestly, Andrew, it's hard for a song to completely and totally describe a person's energy. But this song perfectly explains your vibe. Yes. When I hear this song, I just think Andrew Walsh.

Didn't he have like a big.

Have it all if you want it.

What's that? Didn't he have a big meltdown at like a rib cook off when he was performing recently?

unfortunately i don't think this guy's doing great i think smash mouth might have disbanded after this he had a an incident where it appeared he might have been inebriated and he was sort of like being heckled and then he got really upset with the fans i think he might be seeking help which is good um you know this song alone could land someone in rehab being responsible for these

lyrics right yeah so this was during the pandemic yeah the holiday last

Ain't no reason to stop it Just wanna trip around the world It's all for us, class It's just

It really is like an AI program Frosted its tips And then just wrote the worst song Ever created Okay, that wasn't the drop I was asking about Okay, sorry I'll keep going Tom Shane, Let the Fun Begin

let the fun begin okay actually i need to we okay we need to pause here because somebody does have a question about that this is we need to come back to my question this andrew this andrew walsh still wants to hear some more of those drops because there's one that i don't know the

origin to but we have another andrew in our listening audience who says the let the fun begin drop is so great and i always thought it was kevin spacey and house of cards and it kind of makes me half cringe hearing it but it's a great drop but then i heard luke say it was tom shane i would love some details on that now i'm not sure if andrew even knows who tom shane is so let's assume that people outside of this area don't know well tom shane that's a national brand though right i think it's kind of west i think it's sort of west of the mississippi it tends to

be but yeah there is a jewelry company a jeweler uh the company is called tom shane and company and tom has always done his own ads and he has as you can hear in this i wonder if i have any like other longer examples of tom shane probably not i mean i got this which is his tagline you

have a friend in the diamond business yeah that's he's just an unbelievably kind of um

mellow sounding guy and so i we were playing some ad on the station actually i don't even know if i worked at the radio station anymore i might have just been driving around listening but i heard tom shane in one of his ads about his you know he he follows a very usually follows a very i don't know kind of regular script he talks about going our diamond buyers go to antwerp twice a year to you know like he's just like describing what they process they go through to get the very best

jewels or whatever and then uh and to steal ideas by the way that's another thing it gets me he brags about sending his designers to other countries so you can so you can study the designs that other people have made and then bring them home and i'm like dude isn't that just like you're just bragging about stealing other people's designs we send some of our best diamond thieves

they're wearing black all black and they have a black hat on and they lower themselves down on a rope and we pass the savings on to you so just like notably mellow guy Tom Shane saying let the fun begin just made me laugh because it's just nobody who seems like they've let the fun begin less than Tom Shane let the fun begin and so I just thought it was a funny drop and then at some point it became actually the thing that I play before I say what's going to happen on the show every single day so that's maybe the most played drop in TBTL history at this point because it is literally played you know for the last however many years at the beginning of every program

although it replaced one i'm going to say in the past five years or so that was your mom saying coming tonight on tbtl and it was kind of like you wanted her to say coming up tonight on tbtl but she kind of she kind of fumbled it and so she would say coming tonight on tbtl but then after a while you got sick of that one and decided to well no somebody pointed out that it could have

double on time yeah that it literally never occurred to me yeah and then once it occurred to me i was like well we're gonna probably not yeah that anymore once you put that in your head like yeah thanks to whoever pointed that out in the listening audience so yeah um so for however long it's been the case that i always play this tom shane it's the only drop that well i guess the top story drop gets played most days as well but it's it's a very frequent drop yeah yeah okay so and it is not kevin spacey just so you guys it is not kevin spacey get that out of your head

even though there is a power in these drops like even though you've explained to me a million times now that it's um fred armison saying yeah you gotta eat that mike i still always picture um adam sandler saying that even though intellectually i know it's not and i know it's not diamond dave who's saying california got sunshine i picture him every time so andrew i hope you gotta eat that microphone you know you gotta eat that microphone um okay so uh keep going through the drops you played today though because now we're back to this andrew andrew then okay so

i messed up and i actually played the drops out of order and i played one of them twice which was not a great look let's be honest but i then played this i don't even actually know where this is from but i just thought it seemed like something that would work on tbtl explaining how a show works oh

means the show's already in trouble well you don't know okay that's the one that's the one that i wanted to know what's the origin of that but you don't you don't know it just is how's it labeled

No, I just – I can't – I cannot remember where it came from, but right when I heard it, I was like, okay, that's TBTL material. Sure, yeah. I don't know the origin story, though. So this is off – TBTL Explained is off to a hot start. Maybe can we call the segment TBTL Unexplained, where we try to remember why things started, but then we can't. And that would also really give us more clearance on Ominous' whole show.

Yeah, and then the likelihood of a lawsuit decreases. Right, exactly. Kathy in Bel Air, Maryland First of all, did you know there was a Bel Air, Maryland? I didn't, that was a complete That was a full, like, record scratch moment in my mind

When you said that

Okay, Bel Air, Maryland Kathy lives there Several questions Number one Oh, man This is a good This is a good question What I'm sorry, why No, I'm sorry

sorry how i'm sorry where no okay her question is why does the doogie hauser theme music play during emails and vmails now i know that this is something that happened in my tenure i think it i could be wrong but i tie this decision to around 2015 there were just some things when tbtl became my full-time job in 2015 i remember like having a very very very brief moment of motivation where we thought okay we're going to try new things and new segments and whatever and people mostly didn't like them so they went away but like talking about dreams was one of them getting listeners to write in and call in with their own dreams was a whole thing um around that time there were some other things that we added um the idea of of coming up with the show titles during the show happened around that period that was not something that we always did i think that also came from the fact that before tbtl became a full-time job with american public media you were the one who recorded and posted the show but then once we became employees and it was like okay andrew's like a full-time producer of the show now i became the one who recorded and posted the show every day and so because of that i was the one coming up with show titles and i think i started noting like when you would say it was like a conscious decision that we would sort of ding the bell and and and note when we said something that sounded like a show title that was around that time and i swear it was also around that time that we introduced the idea of bed music during the email and voicemail segment but i don't for the life of me remember

why it was doogie's music do you no i don't and in fact i think everything you're saying tbtl unexplained andrew this is how it works i know um everything you're saying makes sense to me i if you would have just asked me though i would have my guess would have been it was something with the radio show because i feel like we were like obsessed with doogie hauser for some period of

time but i yeah i don't but you that definitely did not go back to that was definitely something that started not just during my i know it started during my time and i'm quite sure it started during the time when tbtl became my full-time gig i don't know why i'm connected connecting those two but i just have a memory i can remember things often by like where i was doing a show like you and i were teasing a while back when i was in cleveland because i remembered some topic that had come up and it kind of irritated you but i remembered we had talked about it in two different places and i knew in two different shows and i knew that because i could picture myself in two different studios talking about this topic like and i i have various various topics and conversations we had i can picture myself in my old la studio when i'm talking about it and i feel like that's where i was when doogie doogie made his um i guess great return debut when that debut was on tv in the 80s and early 90s i'd say return to media prominence prominence would have been around

And then after that, we saw the career of Neil Patrick Harris really take off.

He won a Tony after that, or he hosted the Tonys. He looked Tony.

He made a friend named Tony.

He made a friend named Tony.

I saw a picture of Neil Patrick Harris the other day. It was just like some random, I don't know, it was in the New York Post or something. And he is just so attractive, so fit. He has this beautiful, attractive husband. They have their beautiful children. And charm. And he's just – he's so charming and so beloved and so likable and so talented. And it's just shocking. That is not how I would have thought it would turn out for the guy playing an egghead child doctor. Yeah, it's true.

And also, yeah, often like the – when people become stars at a young age, it can mess with you. Not always, but it can. Yeah. I mean honestly, yeah.

It's shocking. And I'm so happy for him. He seems like a lovely person. but it's just I would have never expected that the guy who was playing the brainy kid doctor would just go on to be have such a successful career and be so sort of universally beloved I don't think you can find a person who doesn't like Neil Patrick Harris yeah I think

you're right about that for a moment people tried to get him in trouble because like he tweeted something like kind of he was like live tweeting like an award show and he didn't recognize one of the stars or something and he said who is this he's sort of you know snarkily you know you're you're in that mode where you're you're you have a big audience and you're you're snark tweeting or you know kind of ribbing a little bit whatever the oscars or emmys or whatever it was but he said like someone like well who is this person and everybody came out of the woodwork to be like how dare you diss her i have no idea who it was are you looking this up as i'm talking no i'm not but i'm remembering by the way that i did change my twitter bio oh

to tweeting, deleting, repeating.

because i do feel like that's what i do that is what you do yeah i used to have livewire and tbtl in there maybe i should go back to that i know that probably like the livewire people actually specifically asked me to put it in my bio so i just had livewire plus tbtl and there were links um as if my like whatever 15 000 egg followers are such a uh you know it's gonna move tickets or whatever but uh but yeah i just thought you know i delete so many tweets that i feel like It should be in my bio to just warn people That if you interact with a tweet of mine There's a really good chance that someday If you went back to look at it the tweet won't even be there

Yeah yeah I believe my I was just saying This to Vives the other day because I think we're talking about the new Beyonce Record or actually we're listening to We're listening to an old Beyonce song called Partition Which came out in 2013 and it Has the line I sneezed on the beat and the Beat got sicker which I always thought was a very Clever thing and I changed my Bio when I heard that in 2013 to I sneezed on the tweet and the tweet got sicker And it occurred to me I have not changed that since So we're about to get to the 10 year anniversary Of my Twitter bio For those who celebrate

Congratulations

Yeah thank you Kathy had some more questions here She said Andrew how long have you had your Twitter bio And was it influenced at all By any major pop recording artist It's funny you should ask Kathy That's so specific Kathy says number two What is the song that plays Before the Blur's Day segment I thought Luke said it was from I think you should leave with Tim Robinson but I must have Misheard well that's an easy Mistake to make because I think You should leave with Tim Robinson also Sometimes And famously will feature Tim Heidecker of the Tim and Eric great job show Is it a great job Yeah no what's the full name of that show Suddenly my brain isn't Tim and Eric awesome Show great awesome awesome show great job right um and uh and you know we started doing birthdays it's probably that same era right luke 2015 16 maybe something because when you were a radio show jen andrews your producer was vociferously anti-birthday message on the show am i right about that um maybe this is such a bad

segment by the way because i literally don't remember anything at all about the show that seems like a thing that would probably be a rule for jen i mean jen has thousands of rules that she's established and could very much see no birthdays on the air being a rule or no like

i think that she and i believe that her acolytes were like yeah no birthdays although the tbtl community is a close-knit community there are some people who also want to use the space to to say happy birthday to each other so at some point it came up on the show again and i asked you if we should do a birthday segment again i was probably kind of like i have all this time on my hands let's do more segments and we decided that um we would do it and our audience was very split on that and i think it remains that way although now now that we've been doing it for so long it's just part of the show so i don't think people think about it as much as they used to but when there was there was a while where we always introduced the segment by talking about whether or not we're going to continue to do the segment which gave the anti-birthday people hope that someday if they were loud enough that they would uh that we would stop doing it but of course we haven't but in the in the past do you remember what you used to play for birthday music if you just were doing kind of a one-off happy birthday to somebody or maybe even a famous person probably the beatles they say it's your birthday you would play tax man for some reason which i'm Not exactly sure why. No, you used to play this all the time. Oh, my gosh.

I totally forgot about that. Yes, from aforementioned Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job.

Which is exactly. So that, and you'd think, hey, if you're going to use a Tim and Eric song about birthdays, you would use that one. But for some reason, you and I had gotten obsessed with this other, I don't know if it was an outtake, if it was actually from Awesome Show, Great Job, or just some other, I think it was maybe a video.

It was from a fun – it was from this weird like telethon they did called like Uncle Muscles telethon or something. And that's Tim Heidecker singing in this very weird looking like – if I remember right, he's got like some weird makeup on his face. So it was just the Uncle Muscles skit or did they do some sort of breakout special that featured Uncle Muscles? I don't remember that part of it. I just know that it – like viewed like a telethon of some kind.

OK. Yeah. So I'm looking to see, but, but I think we just got obsessed with it around the time that we introduced the birthday segment. And for some random reason, we decided to use it. And the thing about it is that the base, the base instrumental that then happens for the rest of the song is not actually from that song. That's some other like just Tim Heidecker joking around playing terrible.

bass and I combined the two and that's how you come up with it.

There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll You can't just listen to your soul Just remember that life is number one You can be having so much fun Just remember that life is much fun You can be number one

And then that's a totally different song there that I combined it to But it's still Tim Heidecker on bass It is, this is And of course it's funny because Tim Heidecker is out now Like he's actually released a couple of records that he takes seriously And he's touring on them and people love them And he's playing with Waxahachie and all kinds of famous people now And you are right, though, it was Casey Tatum from the from the skit, which was the Uncle Muscle's something hour. I found the actual skit. Oh, I think I'm playing two things at the same time there. So anyway, another answer, which was like, I'm not sure we were obsessed with something. And that's what we ended up with.

And then I have a bad feeling that even of the things I can remember, which is almost nothing, it turns out, the answer will usually be, I don't know. We just kind of got into that for a while.

Well, this one I remember specifically, and you do as well, although I think it's going to make you cringe. Why is Luke surrounded by clocks? What's the significance there?

Okay, my memory of that is we were on the road somewhere. Was it a Thon maybe? Were you doing some kind of a road trip? And I think I had – or maybe it was a live show. But there was something where you and I had a disagreement about what time it was or how long we'd been doing the show or something. And I said in a moment of rare candor on the show I'm like surrounded by clocks I was trying to point out that I was winning the argument Because I had clocks everywhere What do you remember about it?

I remember everything about it And it wasn't an argument at all You were just kind of being tetchy all show And I think this was one of those situations Where you were just really nervous And because of that you were not able to sort of maintain a It was one of the rare cases where you were being no butt on me Throughout the whole show and it was the very was it a live show it was it was the very very first episode of our 24 hour van show so there was a lot of stuff going on so you and i decided we're going to record for 24 hours we're going to broadcast it live we're going to do it in the back of the van the van is going to drive them back and forth across the pass we're going to drive around picking up our tbtl friends it was a whole thing to mark our 10-year anniversary right wasn't that an anniversary thing yeah our 10 year anniversary um and so you know we're both in um we're probably both pretty hyped up about this thing but i think it was a moment where because i remember starting the show and i i didn't start it that well but i kind of made a a reference to um arrested development uh and you just sort of stared at me and you had no idea what i was talking about and then the rest of the show is a little bit weird and then at the we're getting near the end and or we should have been getting near the end of the show and you and i are kind of sitting across from each other at that little table and i just sort of like um i just tapped my watch just to make sure that you were like paying attention to the time because i was thinking like okay this is the first of 24 shows or whatever we were reaching the one hour mark so i just tapped on my watch like a producer being like you know you're marking the time and you just stopped and you were and we could find the tape but i won't but you're just like what i'm just what i know what time it is i'm surrounded by clocks you don't think i know what time it is and i was like jesus christ man

I actually now I do kind of want to hear that tape Because I want a side by side Of if I was actually that angry Like if you can hear in my voice If I was that angry or not I mean as angry as it Came off to you and maybe I was Maybe I was more angry but I would be Really kind of curious to actually hear what it sounded

Like in the moment I can look that up While we talk about this next one Because I haven't gone back to it either because it was like one of those rare Moments I was like why is tapping My watch like why are you taking that as an insult it's just like i thought we're just trying to stay on stay on track here

yeah and i think you're probably accurately diagnosed the situation which was i probably was just really stressed about how you know i remember the first hour of that show being kind of a little bit of a slog and i think what was happening was i was having a growing sense of dread about how hard it was going to actually be to keep the needles moving for 24 hours now it ended up being super fun and we had a great time and everything like really got better after the first hour but i think i must have just had this big ball of dread in my stomach that was oh my god this is going to be way harder than i thought and i can't believe we're only an hour into this and so that probably made me extra i don't know what um unfriendly sensitive snippy whatever it was that must have been what was going on so that was in jam January, too. I'm looking for it here because it should not be that January. Janule. My name is Janule. What is that? That's I should. Oh, Don. Auntie Donna, by the way, if anybody's wondering what I'm quoting, there is a sketch comedy group. Sorry, I'm looking and talking at the same time here. It's a sketch comedy troupe that released a season on Netflix a couple of years ago. But anyway, I'm not having I'm not finding this right here and right now. So maybe we should be 24 hour.

But we can come back to it at a different time. Here. But I'm just curious. Yeah, I wonder if – I wonder how – because it's pretty rare that we actually get annoyed with each other on the air. I mean it's constant off the air. Yeah, right. Just continual shit talking. But on the air, we're usually pretty friendly. So if that broke through, yeah, that's like – that's a pretty unique situation.

Yeah. Okay. Another one here. we got um dorothy who's writing in from the tattletale district tattletale district so culver city california culver city california why oh this one is for me why do andrew and sorry i'm just realizing the answer is going to be the same as all of this why do andrew and genevieve call wingspan birds actually so there's a game called wingspan veves and i started playing at the beginning of the pandemic it was quite the the hot game around that time it's called wingspan but these and i call it birds actually dorothy says maybe you explained it back when you first started playing and uh i didn't have any context for it then but now i'm an avid player you might even say you're an aviary i can see what you're trying to do but i what is the word for birds you know when someone's drowning it's important to not let them take you down with them so an aviary is where you keep of birds right yeah so what is the root word of aviary um avia maybe avia so anyway you're an avia player um now i'm an avid player myself and it's crazy making i want to call it birds actually but i don't know why i want to call it birds actually jeez louise dorothy neither do i i mean it's i think it's just one of those couples things like these and i have truly created i mean not unlike tbtl our own language that is a combination of mostly just dumb shit that we say and also um and also you know just quotes of tv shows and sketch you know comedy sketches that we've been watching our entire relationship together and i'm guessing that i probably just started calling that like based on love actually but i mean i've never even seen love actually so i don't know why i have a connection to the movie or the emotion no or the certainly not the emotion so So, yeah, so that's it. It was just Veeves and I just were spoofing on that. And we do call it birds, actually. All right. Can we do one more?

And is there one that seems like we might be able to answer it? No, that's it. That's all we got. Wow. Just an absolute stunning defeat for me. Just had my ass handed to me by that segment. I don't know why we do or say or play any of the things we do and say and play. I need a palate cleanser, Andrew, and I think I have it for you. What do you got? It's a Yankees fan who's really mad from the other day. Have you heard this yet? Yeah. The way he says Mariners, I cannot recreate it. It's such disdain. He's like, you know, he's like, hold on. It's been normal.

And guess what happens?

Here we go. Let's go back to the beginning.

Today was the first time in three years my blood pressure's been normal. And guess what happens? Derek Cole gives up six runs in the first inning to the Seattle Mariners. Mariners.

So great. I love it so much. That's just giving me so much life today. So even though I really went down on three straight pitches for that segment, I look like Jared Kalanick most of the time. But like Jared Kalanick, sometimes I can hit a two-run home run and maybe surprise you a little bit. So I'm going to put my cleats on tomorrow and get back out. Well, actually, no, because tomorrow is Saturday. Monday, I'm going to suit up again, get back out there, take some reps, and just see if I can do a better job as a podcaster.

Here are the important things that came out of this, okay, because I think this is important. I think that we have landed on the segment title TBTL Unexplained, right? That's what we're going to call it now.

As a framing device, I think that really helps because it manages the expectations going in.

Exactly. And it gets Amina off our asses And then Now that we know that I can once again call on the TBTL community To create Some sort of intro for this segment I do think it's going to get better I don't want to create another Blur's Day Segment situation where We introduce it by saying should we be doing this Because there will always be somebody who says no And I think we need to stick with this one So we are going to Continue to do TBTL

tbtl unexplained send me your questions andrew at tbtl.net put tbtl unexplained in the subject line and uh you know also somebody produce something for us all right let's do a little

music for your weekend before we get out of here i want to play this song for you andrew um that i have just been vibing to and it's taking me down a whole kind of rabbit hole of ultra hipster culture and ultra young person culture the group is called coco and claire claire have you ever heard of coco and claire no no not at all google them it's a whole vibe they're these two young women from atlanta who uh started collaborating a few years ago in fact i don't even think the song that i'm suggesting which is called crush crush crush is that new but it's just they are so instagram ready these two coco and claire claire um and uh just like they're um they're sort of friends with the that dj cray sean remember who i was really into some

years ago yeah on the oh oh yeah yeah yeah though the woman yeah i liked krayshan's yeah yeah she was not just a dj though right she's wrapped she's a rapper yeah well i guess here's what i'm

she dj'd some she dj'd a set introducing them at some point like this whole krayshan coco claire claire universe that's just ultra stylish young people staring disaffectedly into the camera on instagram and um i find it fascinating and also unwelcoming but i sure do love this song Crush, Crush, Crush. Can we play this?

I think I've got a crush

That's a little crush, crush, crush from Coco and Claire Claire. It really is a whole energetic vibe, the music.

Yeah, it's very chill. I can see this has a good summer vibe to it. Yes.

And the whole album, at least the songs I've listened to, are pretty similar. So if you like this song, you'll – I forget the name of the album. It's awful, but it's pretty good.

I got a song here from a musician named Stella Donnelly. Now, this just came out a little bit ago. I think this came out like a couple of days ago, and I'm pretty sure she's Australian. And I'm just looking to confirm that, yeah, Stella Donnelly is an Australian musician. And it's funny because you can sort of hear the, I mean, I think a little bit the influence of, oh, gosh, who's my favorite Australian musician? Sorry, I'm all over the place. Courtney Barnett. Courtney Barnett. Yeah, because this song, she's got a couple of verses in here that are more like almost talking and almost that sort of like kind of a very down to earth imagery and sort of almost a talking pattern flow. But the chorus and there's almost like a couple of different choruses. Clearly, I don't know a lot about music or the terms, but like I actually really like this, the back half of the song. So I'm going to hit play on this, but I'm going to kind of cut into it a little bit to skip the first verse and give you a sense of this brand new song, How Was Your Day, by Stella Donnelly.

How was your day? How was your day? And it feels like breaking up Calling my name, calling my name Never wanna be the one to call it off Never wanna be the one to call it all Never wanna be the one to call it all

There you go, Stella Donnelly, I believe has an album coming out Actually, I think in the fall, so I think this is an early release single off of that Really cool video as well

Yeah, I like that a lot. Good summer vibes. And the song that is suggested by the listener also has a very cool vibe to it. It was suggested by the listener, Rachel, who said, I started watching Ms. Marvel, kind of against my will, and I ended up loving it. And this song was on the show, and I'm obsessed. There are no lyrics, but it's very compelling. I literally know nothing about the artist, but it's a great song. By the way, the artist, I believe their name is Ruginder, And the song is called Summer Nights Featuring Wise Child This is this dude on violin It's actually kind of interesting Because the guy who's, I believe, Raginder He's just like playing violin in this video But then I watch some of his other stuff He also raps He's one of those rare violinists who also raps But this song just kind of has a very cool energy to it And thought it'd be a nice way to slide into the weekend So that's going to do it for this week Thanks everyone We'll be back on Monday with more Imaginary Radio for you until then have a great weekend stay cool take care of yourselves go mariners and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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