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I'll never forget my old dad. When these things would happen to him, the things he'd say to me. What did he say? What the hell are you doing in the bathroom day and night? Why don't you get out of there and give someone else a chance?

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All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

This is how legends are made.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

Ever since I was told that comb is real, it tasted good.

Coming to you from the sauna of solitude here in Seattle, Washington, a.k.a. Andrew's finely appointed home studio. Oh, Ma, Pa, it's just beautiful. We are going to have a great, great show. It's a special occasion when Andrew and I get to be in the same room together.

This is special. This is special.

That's what's happening right here on episode 3748 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Something else special happened this week. The HBO show Hard Knocks has returned. And this year it focuses on the Detroit Lions football team. And, of course, their coach, a guy named Dan Campbell, has come up many times on this program for deploying these sorts of gems during press conferences.

When you knock us down, we're going to get up. And on the way up, we're going to bite a kneecap off. All right. And we're going to stand up. And then it's going to take two more shots to knock us down.

Police in multiple jurisdictions, by the way, searching for Dan Campbell. Because that's assault. What was just described there. It's pretty clearly assault. Anyway, of course, a lot of this Hard Knocks season is going to revolve around Dan Campbellisms. And boy, he did not disappoint on episode number one. So we're going to play you that audio. Plus, I've got a beef with the writing on Hard Knocks. which, again, will come as no surprise to regular listeners of the show. I'll play you that audio as well. Also, you know, we have a P.O. box, and you mail us stuff, and we really appreciate it. And then Andrew goes and picks up the deliveries.

Hey, Lloyd! Do some delivery!

And brings them back here to the Sauna of Solitude. Can you tell I'm trying to make that a thing today? And we're going to open some of those items. We're going to play another round of What's in the Box. Andrew just, without comment, just handed me an exacto blade. I'm not sure, actually, a utility knife, whatever you might call this, before the show. And just didn't really clarify what it was for. And I thought, okay, I guess we've finally gotten to the monkey knife fight portion of TBTL's existence. We're going to fight to the death. But no, it's for opening the boxes so we can play What's in the Box coming up. plus music-free weekend on this Friday. And speaking of my friend Andrew, he is the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships sitting right across this table from me. Fireball. Good morning, my friend. I gave you the better one, too. This is mine. That was nice of you. This is a very handsome... It's from something called Art Alternatives. I will be honest with you. I love the utility of these things, and no pun intended, but I'm always a little nervous. It just seems, like, so sharp. And, like, you could just... I read a lot of these books when I was a kid. These Christian... These Christian...

Was it the Bible?

Mm-mm.

We've had a lot of books within the book. An old part and a new part. Okay. Now maybe I am thinking maybe it was the Bible. Okay. No, but this is one with Jesus in it. Yeah, right. The Carpenter. Oh, was that the Bible? Yeah. Manger. You're sure it's not the Bible? The listeners will weigh in. Email Luke. Luke at splitnet.2.

By the way, I saw that clip circulating on TikTok, independent of us, and I somehow felt proud. Yeah. Just that someone else...

identified that particular moment of veep as being funny long after you and genevieve had identified it as being specifically funny but anyway i used to read these books when i was a kid uh one was called run baby run and one was called the cross and the switchblade really yeah and i swear that's a restaurant in ballard sorry dude google the cross and the switchblade it was written by this guy named nicky cruz who claimed to have been in a gang i believe they were called the Mau Mau's in New York in the 50s and 60s my guess would be if we went back and actually were able to do a deep dive on the real lived experience of Nikki Cruz I bet you actually the cross and the switchblade might have been written from the perspective of David something or other who was the pastor who was running this church in New York that was supposedly getting gang members out of the life but then so that was this guy named David something or other who got famous for the cross and the switchblade because he was David Wilkerson David Wilkerson was the cross and then there was the switchblade but then this guy Nicky Cruz who was part of the cross and the switchblade book wrote his own book called run baby run Nicky Cruz being a real life person a real life it wasn't a character writing a no because the cross and the switchblade was this guy David Wilkerson this pastor yeah in New York who's John and Elizabeth Sherrill also writing about how he got these you know gang members to come to jesus but then the i believe kind of like the main gang member that he ministers to is this guy named nicky cruz who then wrote a much better book as far as i was concerned called run baby run okay about his life of crime in new york but people were always cutting each other with switch blades in these books so as a kid i was like you really got to watch out for that open blade oh yeah as i hold one of these utility knives i i call back my mind to the plot

of run baby run well a couple of things yeah i mean really what i gave you i wish you and i should have box cutters and we do have a pair of this is a box cutter it's a box not a box cutter though not really these are these exacto blades are the kind where and you know this right you when it gets dull you break off the tip although i've never done that have you actually yeah look how

short this one is compared to yours i've never had one of these long enough to actually do like these are the kind of things that i buy three of them at home depot and then use one of them and then somehow lose all three of them i've never owned something this long enough to actually go through the process of taking off the duller edge well here's what i think is the deal here

people and it sounds like you do this as well as we will do today we'll like kind of open it all the way and then open boxes with it but really this is not a box cutter this should just be pushed out just the tip and you should do some fine work on this just the tip has never led me wrong in my life when you're making shout out to my daughter when you're making when you're making mixtapes and you need to cut out like the art like very carefully these are more like you know

You know what it's similar to, really quickly, sorry, is a mechanical pencil. Yes, right.

There's just the right amount of protrusion that allows you to do what you're doing but isn't going to break. Right. Now, here's what I want to come back to here for a second. So this book that you're talking about, The Cross and the Switchblade, I just looked it up. Never existed. You made that whole thing up. God, I wish I was that creative. So the thing is, when you type it in, it's actually a movie. It was turned into a movie in 1970, and that seems to be more popular. What I have in front of me, Luke, is two options. I was not allowed to see the movie. My parents probably thought it was fresh. And it probably is.

Even though it was about Jesus.

Now, we could watch the whole thing here, because the whole thing is on YouTube, if you have an hour and 45 minutes. Or we can play this two-minute trailer, which I really want to see. This is from 19... Oh, right.

No, no. I remember. Eric Estrada plays Nicky Cruz.

Oh, that seems like good casting. And this trailer opens with a close-up of a hand. And somehow you can tell it's a 70s hand. I don't know how. But it's a 70s hand opening up a switchblade. Oh, and you know what? People are throwing tributes down onto a coffin. Somebody has died. And it looks like it begins with a melee at a funeral at a burial service.

That's the Mau Mau's doing battle with the rival gang. By the way, Pat Boone as David Wilkerson. Who's Pat Boone? Oh, Pat Boone. The singer. Oh, that's right.

but i do know that some of you are are so blind that you're heading for a ditch and you don't even know it i've seen you walk around like you own the world you don't even know how much danger you're really in now you can't live too long around here on luck because somebody can put

a knife in your back in the next minute this is a kind of surreal way of uh of uh making a trailer It doesn't have, like, the voice of God saying, in a world where switchblades and crosses do not mix.

They didn't have a Don LaFontaine at that time. They didn't have a Don LaFontaine. I'm, oh my God, Andrew, I am looking at the, I don't, probably you can't see it, but I'm looking at the original book. This was the book that I had.

Oh, yeah, that's the actual cover, right?

The actual cover, which, like, if there's anything that takes you back, like, a book that you read and reread as a kid, you know, the original cover. because

i'm sure this book has been released many times with many different covers but this one particular one and what i liked about run baby run was it was a little edgier it was like when david because david wilkerson was the pastor right so when he wrote cross and switchblade it's from a certain you know it's still got lots of good stabbing and and sex work in it yeah but but it was a little bit muted because it's written from this pastor but then when nicky wrote run baby run yeah he lived it he really got into the like sure yeah nitty-gritty then there was this series i didn't want to talk about this today i wanted to talk about a extremely passive-aggressive move i pulled during my jog today but there was this series of books and i've probably talked about this on the show a while ago and i don't think they were they may have been from the sort of cross in the switchblade universe but they were always about women of course they were written by a dude because you know who who better to write about who speaks for women better than a dude yeah uh a christian dude but they were always the same there was this series and they were always called like sunny sherry mandy it was always a one it was a first name of a woman and it was always the same story they were supposedly pulled like pulled from real people's lives right but this was just like this was weirdly repurposed soft core for a like a nine-year-old luke burbank i don't mean soft court and that there was any overt sexual activity but it would be the story of an attractive young woman who they would write in great detail about this woman's beauty yes and then she would fall into this life of of of prostitution and abusive boyfriends and then she would find jesus at the end right yeah the least interesting part of the book is when she finds jesus right you're like damn it but the way that they would write about like her and again it wasn't you know it wasn't dirty or anything but the way i was and there was like hundreds of these books had been written and again i feel like they were adjacent to this the cross and switchblade and like that maybe it was just in the on the same spindle in evangel books or something yeah yeah somehow it had just like gotten into my world and then i was like always picking these books up whenever i saw them because i loved the parts about when they were doing drugs and being attractive and i didn't like the end i did not care for the ending where the jesus came in but i i gotta figure out what those what that some listener probably because we have a lot of listeners who grew up like i did Someone knows about those books. Could someone remind me of what that series was called? It's called Buzzkill Jesus, I believe. It's probably like, Jesus, nobody asked for you, except the person who literally asked you to come into their heart. I'm trying to remember if it's possible they were actually written by this guy, David Wilkerson. Anyway, I don't want to weigh the show down or bog the show down any longer. Oh, I listened to a great episode of 99% Invisible about bogs when I was driving up here. Oh, really? I don't mean Bill O'Grady. Okay, right. Like cranberry bogs? Yes.

And basically peat and how much of a carbon sink bogs and peat are because there is like the decomposition process is very slowed because of all the layers of organic matter, which is also why when they find those bog people, you know what I mean? And, like, people that were ritualistically killed, often in, like, the UK, like, you know, in the ancient societies there, they'd throw them into a bog. And sometimes someone will just, like, the movement of the earth will just, like, bring someone to the surface, and they're, like, almost perfectly preserved. They're called bog people.

I do not know about bog people. I only knew about a bog person. I used to work with them at a radio station.

But it was a really and the thing is, these bogs are amazing because they're they are holding something like bogs are holding more of the carbon than all the forests on Earth, even though they're only three percent of the landmass or something like that. This is very interesting, but the other problem is, as global warming happens, if the bogs, or if you go in and you try to plant trees in bogs, like if you plant forests, and you churn the earth up, you actually release all that carbon again. And the carbon that gets released to plant a tree in a bog is more than the tree will absorb. So it's actually a bad idea. We need to be planting bogs. We need to be planting bogs. Have you ever seen a bog? I mean, I don't think so.

When I was in Massachusetts, I don't remember exactly where. I'm very fuzzy on the details, but I remember Vives and I a couple of times like driving in an area, maybe on some short road trip somewhere and just seeing bogs. And it's like it's breathtaking.

It's pretty great. Yes. And I it made me want to actually they were mentioning they don't have any on the West Coast, but there are they have them in the Midwest and in the East. I didn't know they were in the Midwest. And I want to visit one. But so I'm driving up here last night, right? And I'm like listening to my 99% Invisible and my Reply All. By the way, great episode of Reply All where they did the depths of Wikipedia, which you actually hipped me to. I don't think I did hip you to it. I think you stumbled on it.

The New York Times did a write-up on it. Oh, maybe that's it. And then you went to check them out and you were impressed that I was there.

on that train well yeah okay you didn't hit me to it but you were you knew about it before i did so what they did that was really genius was they took on three they you know they interviewed the depths of wikipedia curator who's an absolute delight this like 22 year old in michigan it's like oh my gosh to be that on the ball at age 22 um she said that she got started with because during the pandemic she was looking something up for a paper and she was investigating um brain to brain size to body size ratio so like smallest brain for largest body sure yeah largest brain for smallest body humans or species she was looking for just any kind of animal and she found that the according to wikipedia the animal with the smallest brain for the largest body proportionally is called um the bony ass fish oh of course sure and so she just thought that was funny that it was called an ass fish yeah and a bony ass bony ass fish right i mean that literally sounds like a taunt yeah exactly that's something you yell from the stands so so she did that had her going then further down just like finding the weirdest shit on wikipedia and so then what they did on reply all was they took three they took three producers and they said find something that you're really interested in and from the depths of wikipedia and then research it and go deeper

with it is it the bony eared ass fish the bony eared ass how does this just get better and better

I know ear bony eared ass out of here with that you bony eared ass fish is a great insult I'll beep all this but but so that the the the topics that they picked were really great one of them was called cute aggression which is a thing that the human brain does sometimes when something is so cute we want to like punch it like oh I just saw this like this little kitten was so cute. I just want to throw it out the window and it is an actual like evolutionary trait that sometimes if a person is inclined to be overwhelmed with the cuteness of something certain people will evolve this idea of almost wanting to do harm to it but not doing harm to it yeah which then basically moderates otherwise they would be paralyzed by how much they're affected by the cuteness if that makes any sense can you can you imagine that in your own life I can't yes a version of it not as extreme is it with me do you look at me is that why

you are always putting your fists in my face

in one of these days, Walsh. No, there's a version of it where you love someone so much that you want to turn them inside out and climb into their skin or you want to absorb them. You want this physical connection that's almost... And that's how I feel about you. Okay. I want to turn you inside out and feast on your inner. But the other one was something called the Pittsburgh Toilet.

Oh, I know about the Pittsburgh Toilet.

I had never heard of this shit.

Whenever we were looking at houses, I kept on asking, like is there a pittsburgh toilet i learned about the pittsburgh toilet right around that time that is when and apparently it's a phenomenon that is often in pennsylvania but not exclusively there but it's like when you have a basement like an unfinished basement area and for some reason somebody just installs a toilet there for practical purposes but it's not in a bathroom there are no walls there are no walls it's just a basement an unfinished basement maybe there's a washer and dryer in the corner and then in the other corner there's a shitter and there's no sink next to it there might be a plunger or two two plunger says it all in portlandia um but but that's it there might not even be like a lid on it but just like the seat have you ever seen one in the wild i feel like i couldn't have lived the life i lived without seeing one in cleveland

at some point that i just don't remember oh i didn't realize this until i visited is it geaga county yeah how i had to fly into pittsburgh like that's all kind of part of the same part of the I think it's like a three is it a three hour drive Cleveland to Pittsburgh maybe less than that actually yeah it's pretty close but like I didn't I don't think of Pittsburgh and Cleveland or of Ohio and Pennsylvania of those areas being so kind of intermingled but they talk about the reason for the Pittsburgh toilet which is what's the reason it's actually basically a plumbing solution. so the idea is you have this toilet that's at the lowest point in the house so if you have a sewer that backs up that toilet will start backing up before the toilet that's upstairs in your nice bathroom where you might have guests coming over it's basically a canary it's a canary in your crap mine god they should have used that

as soon as you said there's a plumbing reason I was like oh it almost sounds like this is not exactly it but like when I discovered that little um, air gap or air vent on my sink, which is about, you know, it's a, it's not a stop gap that actually lets air out, but it's kind of like, Oh yeah, that makes sense. If you have an issue, then that, then that weird shitter in the basement, you'd much

rather that thing start acting up before the thing upstairs, then ruins your floors and

leaks down. Right. Exactly.

So you have, I mean, I guess that also implies that's interesting. You'd have to go down there and like once a day, go down and stare at your Pittsburgh toilet and make sure it's doing okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I thought that was really interesting. But.

I'll tell you what, Andrew, maybe the highlight of my listening experience last night as I after I'd worked through all my ninety nine percent invisible and all of my, you know, reply all and all of my kind of high gloss, smug, public radio type listening, public radio adjacent. I come cruising into like the SeaTac area and now I don't really have enough time left to jump into another like one hour show, like reply all perfect time for some nice, tight erotica. It's like I had some of these books on tape about these women who fell into a life of disrepute, but then were saved.

I could be wrong, but I think I think Spotify is getting into like the audio erotica or maybe has been for a while. I think I wouldn't be shocked.

Yeah, I guess it would kind of make sense.

Yeah, sure.

There's a demo for that. Why not?

Yeah.

But so it's like I don't know, it's like 1015 and it occurs to me. Oh, is Coast to Coast still on? Like, I will say one of the things about living in Portland that I have not loved is other than Oregon Public Broadcasting, other than OPB, I'm totally disconnected from the local radio scene there. I don't – there isn't – first of all, there's not really an analog to Cairo up there. There's probably an AM station that's playing coast to coast. I'm sure it's being played there, but I just have not familiarized myself with the radio dial.

You probably haven't played around in the AM space much at all. I haven't at all, and I probably should. And probably the lack of Mariners games on an AM station there. I can't believe there is not a station that carries Mariners games.

There's supposed to be, but I can never find it. You know what I was...

I looked it up officially on their website because Hannah, you know, obviously my friend Hannah, who also lives in Portland, she was... Same complaint. She's like, no, there is literally not a Portland-based station. I mean, there might be a station with a repeater or something, but like on the Mariners website when it lists all the cities and their radios, like Portland does not have an official Mariners station, which is... Bizarre. Bizarre to me.

I was listening on Cairo as I was driving north the other day, by the way. That day game that we played against the Yankees, I was going from my apartment up to the house I'm working on. Yeah. And I just turn on 7, 10 a.m. in Portland, and I'm listening to the Mariners. Oh, okay. So the signal is that strong. You know what? There was a cloud layer, and I think it has to do with the signal can bounce. Sure. A.M. is like that. Yeah. So, but anyway, so I just like turn, you know, I turn it to Cairo and Andrew, when I tell you, I don't know if I've had a more enjoyable radio listening experience than that, you know, 40 minutes or whatever, making my way up to coast to coast, George Norrie, sea crane radio. They had this astrologer on who is just absolutely full of shit. Just couldn't have been, couldn't have been more insane. it was perfection I love it it was perfection nothing changes about that show nothing changes the liners don't change also that episode could have been from 2011 absolutely you have no idea it's totally you're right it's just it was so comforting like everything sounded exactly the way I wanted it to sound

the super long bumpers like yeah let it ride we're gonna bump in with 90 seconds of toto

of toto and then George Norrie is going to come in i mean this guy couldn't sound less invested in the process i mean of course art bell is the yeah is the gold standard i mean the thing and i do think that some of our listeners will actually find this content interesting because some people found us on cairo because they're radio heads you know what i mean that and i don't mean that they backed tom york they're those are radio head heads show title but like because there are people who appreciate talk radio yeah and you know george uh art bell was the best but the thing about art bell was art bell kind of believed some of this stuff not all of it art bell was interesting to me because he definitely believed a lot of weird stuff but then he also would kind of call into question things that he didn't believe in george nori probably doesn't believe he doesn't believe

any of it but he pretends he believes all of it like he's you think that he's total even the host of that show, who's been hosting it for a long time now, really doesn't believe like

any of the conspiratorial or I think he's an absolute moron and doesn't have the I think he sounds like a late night radio host and he knows to just kind of go along with all of it. I don't know. Like when he goes to bed at night, he's he's like, oh, what a bunch of bullshit. No, I don't think he even processes that high of a level. In other words, I don't think – maybe what I'm saying is he does believe all of it. I don't think he's a very critical thinker. Sure.

Okay, yes, yes.

And so I think he just kind of – like he's just kind of an affable, generally affable guy who's there to facilitate these lunatics and then the callers. There was a call that was so amazing. It was like out of a Guffman sketch. I don't know if you remember that movie to the level of detail where they go to this guy named Clifford Woolsey's house. Clifford Woolsey is the guy

who eventually will be the narrator of Red, White, and Blaine. Oh, yeah. Beans. Beans. Fat, juicy beans. Well, if you remember, they go to his trailer where he lives because they're recruiting him to be in the play. And he's got a gun rack that's hooves. Uh-huh, yep. And he goes, well, I'm a... Something like he goes, well, as you can tell looking around, I am a hard worker. And then I think Corky goes, I didn't know Deere could do that. I do remember that, yes. And it's just, like, clear that they're just... Like, this guy is just living in squalor. Well, you know, I'm a hard worker. looking around you can tell that this dude this trucker and peace and love to people that work in the trucking industry we need you but this trucker guy calls in to get his sign read from this astrologer and you can tell that this is a feller who's just kind of looking um to make a connection and just maybe a sort of on the lonelier side or something and he calls in he goes i've been um uh hi susan uh on my birthday because he had the deal was you had to give your birth month and date so she can know your sign and then you had to ask a question but they kept stressing ask a question that's general enough that it'll be interesting to everyone and i was like first of all wrong yeah i want it more specific george nori as an example goes don't ask this was actually kind of funny but he goes don't ask when is my toe fungus going to heal oh god but i was like uh please ask that yes also george that is see a doctor like you get digger the dermatophyte Running a muck down there. I was like, no, no, I want very specific questions. Yeah, I agree. But the guy calls in and he's very excited to be on the air. And he goes, I've been I'm looking into I've been trying to become more spiritual the last year. What is that? What's how's that going to work for me? How's that going to turn out for me? That's broad. It's very broad. It's overly broad. And so this woman goes, well, I'm getting that you. Oh, you're a Gemini or whatever. And I'm getting that you, is there a partner in your life or a person who's helping you on this spiritual journey? And he goes, well, I did reunite with an old flame a while ago, and I think that maybe her deceased father was giving me messages because I was telling her things about him that only she would know. And the woman's like, exactly. You know how happy this woman is that there's at least a distant thing that falls barely into the category of what she was describing?

I always remember if somebody was telling me, this is something I heard when I was a kid. I was like 13 years old or something. And it was a relative of mine or somebody just went with their friend to some psychic medium type of thing. I remember her saying, she would ask these questions like, is there somebody in your life who wears boots as part of their job? But I always remember that as a specific thing because it's so broad, right? Like, well, oh, yes. Yeah. My brother-in-law's a fireman or, you know, or welder or construction, like boots. Yes. That's it. Yes. Like, oh, it was a beetle.

Yes. I'm friends with George Harrison. So, like, so, like, this guy, you can hear that this guy's now excited because he's sort of giving the right answer, even though he's not, what she said is not really the thing that he was describing, but it was adjacent. And then she goes, you know, she goes, Gemini, she goes, that must have been so comforting to her that you were able to talk about, you were able to touch her father and connect with her father. And he was like, yeah, yeah, I think it helped her because she'd been, meanwhile, I'm just doing, I'm trying to picture what this reuniting, rekindling an old flame was. And I was like, 100% it involves Facebook. Uh-huh, yeah. It involves peace and love. It involves a lonely trucker. Yeah, rolling into town. Parked out of loves. Yeah. He's back in the sleeping cab. He's on his phone. He sees the gal that he, you know, kind of went to high school with or whatever. She's in a loveless whatever situation. And they're kind of like chatting it up and both getting some sense of, you know, connection that they're both looking for. I mean, I'm guessing at all this, but I bet I'm not super.

Well, you've been in touch with her dead dad, I believe. Right.

Isn't that where you got a lot of this? Exactly. And so then she goes, and, you know, you're a healer and and you you heal people and and you may not even know. But you're as a Gemini, you're a healing sign and, you know, you minister to people with your words and even food. And he goes, yeah, well, I am an amazing cook. That was like the most Clifford Woolsey moment. Like, well, I am a hard worker, as you can see.

Yeah. You ever find yourself in that? It's usually Reddit, although I think I follow some people on Twitter. I'm trying to think if maybe Stephanie Drury goes in for this to a mutual friend of ours who's really good at social media. But, like, there's a whole thing of men who take photos of their food and it's just, like, the most disgusting looking shit. I don't know about this. It's just, like, it's dark. I wouldn't even go there. It's just, like, people taking pictures of just, like, I don't know, just the most, just the worst looking mac and cheese on a cheap paper plate that's on a brown carpet or something with, like.

Like, I don't know, a half a pickle next to it or something. Totally. But with a caption of just being like, date night or whatever.

Well, I mean, yeah. And this guy, it was just, it didn't sound to me like this was a person who had had a life that had a lot of Ws in it. Yeah. But in this moment, he was just getting W after W. Yeah, yeah. And the woman was like, you just made my night. She was really good, by the way, at what she did. she was like you know just could roll with any question that george george at one point goes do they after this was done and she says to the guy that just thank you so much i that's never happened to me before i'm talking about him and the medium the channeling she goes you just made my night and i was like it made me so happy for this sucker i was like this guy is gonna be on cloud freaking nine he's gonna make himself some really good rice around i mean good for him i was so happy he got that w and then george nori just goes almost larry king style do they still put the astrology in the newspapers i kind of love that and she goes just like he's just checking back in he's like what oh is that over oh um do they still and she goes still put she goes well some of them that i read she goes you know i can't speak for every newspaper in america it was just some really fine late night radio and i was so so happy to be back marinating in the warm the warm bath that is coast to coast man isn't it nice being able to jump into something too

it's like so strange and i know i've said this on the show a million different ways a million different times but like we still have uh and i haven't been using it at all we have a temporary like free subscription to satellite radio we've had it for like two months now we have it for two more and i think i turned it on once and it was disappointing to me if you want to put on a music station like let's say they have 60s on six which is no longer on six which is confusing but um like you're like okay i'm just going to jump into this stream if you're listening on the app you can't just jump into the stream it will always start with the beginning of the song which i think the majority of human beings would be happy with that right i want to hear umbrella by the hollies why would i want to start halfway through it but the second i hit play on the app and it takes me to the beginning i'm like oh i'm listening to spotify i'm not listening to the radio you know it doesn't feel real so the only thing i did was i don't even know if i was in the mood for stern but like i was like if i just go to one of the stern stations i'll just pick somebody up mid-sentence and that's how i want to listen to my talk radio just like jumping in mid-sentence and let me figure

it out from there a hundred percent i think you and i and this is probably why we've in our own bizarre way i've been able to do this for so many years and and and you know have fun doing it is because our kind of whatever it is about radio that speaks to us is very similar like our our we're very simpatico about the kind of radio we like down to weird specifics like yeah i don't want to start at the beginning of something i want to come in midway through a state roofing commercial you know like that's the perfect expression of that kind of content for me i was

having dinner with friends last night actually i'll name check them because you know them and listeners do too i was having um uh dinner with genevieve and barry and sam our friends broadcast barry right yeah and sam was saying hey you know thanks for like kind of um they listen to the podcast or at least barry does and uh i guess when they go on road trips together they'll listen to tbtl together and sam's like you know thanks for all the content or whatever i'm like do you mean you're suing me because of all the content um but uh he said yeah the one thing is i i i will pause i have to pause the podcast a lot because i always want to jump in and add my own thing and And I was like, oh, guys, you don't have to pause this podcast. There are other podcasts like 99% Invisible or whatever. You need to pause that. This, the beauty of TBTL, and I think Chris Hayes has said it too, is like you don't have to pause it. If you need to quickly take the recycling out to the garage and you need to leave the kitchen radio going and TBTL is on, you can just leave and come back five minutes later. Punching your brain, but in a weirdly satisfying way. I feel like we need to campaign around that. Like, TBTL, no need to pause it. Yes. Just let it roll. TBTL, let it rip. Just let it rip. Because we've all, again, I've said the same thing a million different times on this show anyway. You probably already heard what I'm about to say.

Yeah, like, and the irony is you mentioned our friend Chris Hayes. I am a very diligent listener to Why Is This Happening? But it is often very dense informationally. Now, not impenetrably so. Not like, it's not the kind of thing where it's like, you don't know what's going on. But it's the kind of thing where, like, if I walk out of the room and I come back in, I skip back. Yeah, exactly. Because I want to know. I want to – you just really – it has so much useful information in it. Same thing with, like you said, shows like 99% Invisible. There are the shows – I've started listening to the Ezra Klein show a little bit as well. These shows just have a lot of really good info in them, and you really want to pause them. You want to back it up. You want to make sure you understand what they're saying. This ain't that. This ain't that. This really ain't that. So we're going to put that in the plus column for TV show. Exactly. Exactly, Levitard Show. They're just cranking out hours and hours and hours of that. You don't pause that. You don't go back. You just leave the room, come back in, vacuum a little bit. We'll be here. We'll be there.

Crunch all you want. We'll make more. The passive-aggressive thing I did on my jog today was I was jogging around Green Lake, and I was on the outside path, and I was probably, I don't know, 20 yards behind somebody who was smoking. Okay, the outside path meaning kind of the gravel path, not the paved path. Not the paved one. So there's not as many folks out there. It's a little less used than the interior path, but they're still, you know. And it's a little bit longer of a jog. That's why I do it. If you add that all the way up. Yeah, it's a little over three miles. If you do the inside, it's 2.8, and the outside is maybe like 3.1 or 2 or something.

Yeah, okay, yeah.

But so I was on there, and I don't know why. I think I was just getting tired. As I get more tired on my jog, any tiny thing that someone else is doing starts to bother me more, I think, because I'm in a somewhat of a state of of discomfort. Yeah.

And even though it's not their fault, you probably also feel a little bit like martyred.

Probably. It's probably part of it. And so this person, first of all, they had a dog that was on a leash that was just they weren't they were. This path is not that wide. This path is basically wide enough for two people or a dog and a person on a leash. And so this person was walking and they're smoking a cigarette. And I see and it's not vape because the vape thing is more volume, but it doesn't smell. Yeah. And it disappears. Disappears really quickly. The cigarette is a different thing. And also their dog is kind of, you know, taking up a little bit. Yeah.

With the long leash.

And that's kind of I'm like seeing it. And I'm like, OK, I'm going to have to go run up on this little grass thing, which isn't the end of the world. But it's like I'm tired. So any extra step, I'm like, and then they're, they're smoking. I'm just seeing the smoke come and it's hitting me and it's like, it's not, that's not going to kill me, but it just feels like we're out here in nature. We're being healthy. We're shaking a leg and you really have to do this smoking. So I start coughing about 10, about 10 feet behind this person. I start like, I act like I'm having a coughing fit, but you're fake coughing. I'm fake coughing. I'm like But I'm not

Did you at any point say I ordered a Zima Not an emphysema Did you say that as you walked I wish I would have even known that I ordered a Zima not an emphysema Is that from one of their ads No I think it's

I stole that from somewhere probably the Simpsons Maybe I'm just And I'm not saying anything I'm not even Looking at the person I felt now I hope you Don't take this the wrong way I felt Like I was a little bit channeling you there in that i was annoyed by something i wanted to kind of let the person know that i was frustrated with something but i didn't want to have a full conversation i wasn't gonna like stop and say could you please not smoke because also it's like they are outside it was pretty remote

it's like not really hurting me i was thinking like i see this totally from both sides assuming the other person has a side or notice you're coughing like right because i didn't even notice it like i'm with you like we live in a society now i was gonna say for better for worse but obviously it's for better that yeah if somebody lights up a cigarette a green like i can smell it up here in north gate you know what i mean like it's just so so the parts per million now is just off the chart and i swear to god i'd be i think i've said this a million times before too i remember being stuck in traffic on the five in la and suddenly you know maybe with my window down a crack or something and smelling of smoke in my car and realizing that somebody like two lanes over and three cars up is smoking and like even in the smog of la you could smell somebody smoking in their own car because people don't smoke as much anymore and so it i could see like if i'm walking around green lake or something or if i were god forbid trying to jog like i could imagine that being like oh god that is a noxious smell on the other hand like i used to smoke a pack a day like we used to smoke i was astounded if you could go into a restaurant and not smoke or a coffee shop Do you want to know the most messed up part of all this?

I like the smell of cigarettes. Yeah, it depends on what you're doing in the moment. Within reason. I wouldn't want to be in a car with the windows up, which was like, by the way, my entire childhood, not with my parents, but with many of my friends' parents, the ones that scared me because they drank beer and- Creepy coaches. Listened to KISW. Oh, yeah. Dude, Dick, my football coach who drove me to the hospital when I broke my arm. Smoking two cigarettes at a time. Just like a Z-28, just full of like dead soldiers and dead packs of cigarettes. They would let anyone coach kids sports in the 80s. But like, to be totally honest with you, if I'm like sitting in an outdoor bar or something, particularly if I'm having a drink, but even if I'm not, the smell of one person having one cigarette outside, I don't even find it unpleasant. No. Like, I don't know why I decided.

exercising i would if you don't mind me saying that well i don't mind you because i guess that takes a little the edge off of what a little passive aggressive twerp i was being but like it was all of 10 seconds the time from when i could smell the cigarette to when i had gone past this person and they just really weren't harming me and i i don't even i don't even dislike the smell of cigarette smoke again i don't want to be in a bingo parlor anymore where it's all the old we used to play these um i guess it must have been summer league basketball games when i played for nathan hale we would have we had the summer league and we would play in the um wallingford boys and girls club and we would play the day after they had had bingo and i swear to god in this gymnasium you would go in the next day and there would be 10 there would be a cloud of

smoke that was still there you have to like in the fire drills you have to get down your hands

and knees to avoid the smoke at the top it would be i i am not maybe that's just the smell was so strong that it like my i'm mandela affecting it but i have a what feels to me like a pretty vivid memory of walking into that gym and looking up and just seeing like the air move yeah just like a cloud of maybe three four feet down from the very top of the gym ceiling of the leftover effects Of the bingo from the back before Creating its own atmosphere So it wasn't that though I mean this was such a minor intrusion on me But I just somehow felt like I needed to let this person know That I wasn't appreciating it And I feel very petty about that So you didn't say anything

You just coughed and you coughed as you walked by And that person's like can't believe somebody with COVID Is out here jogging

Which probably would have been my thought And then this was the thing This was the part that I didn't plan on though I then as I continue on my way I run into somebody I know This friend of my name Craig from Portland Who's like moved to Seattle now And I'm like Craig And so I stop And we start chatting And then

Oh smoker comes back

Ten minutes later The smoker comes back by And I don't think They're smoking anymore They've probably Finished their cigarette But then I was like Oh I hope that I'm just thinking to myself I hope that they did not Hear my They probably didn't even I'm sure none of this Even registered

Yeah they were probably Wearing earbuds anyway

Excuse me I ordered a Zima Not Emphysema What is that Is it the Simpsons

That is from the Simpsons Yeah it's either Patty or Selma I don't know which is which But one of them Is in some Back when you could smoke At the DMV Some banquet area And there's some guys And she's smoking And some guy Sitting behind her says

Excuse me I ordered a Zima Not Emphysema

The funny thing is I remember my friend John Saying that to me one time Because he didn't smoke But it was the 90s And like We all smoked I think I think he was a smoker But maybe didn't smoke At this time And I think I lit up Like a second or third cigarette And he said He said that to me And it's just like I don't know It was such a weird thing coming out of his mouth that it really sticks with me.

Did I tell you that, like, the other day, I'm just like, we're actually out at this thing at my sister's house and my sister Liz's house. And I'm chatting with my mom and Becca was there. And my mom just casually mentions it.

I'll say, what's up, dog?

She smokes one cigarette a day. Your mom does? My mom smokes one cigarette a day. When did this start? I don't know, a couple years ago. Do you think that it was your dad's new-ish cigar habit? I don't think so. They don't, like, sit together Patty and Selma style and enjoy their respective tobacco events. I think...

Your mom does subscribe to Cigarette Aficionado, though, right? That would be a great magazine. Oh, my God. Just like Arnold Schwarzenegger talking about a Marlboro.

Just like Jane Pauly with a Virginia Slim. You've come a long way, baby. But I I was shocked that this is one of the things I love about my mom, though. My mom is like is just the least secretive or pretentious person like my mom has said to me before, like, you know, because my mom is a sober person as far as not doesn't drink alcohol. I don't think smokes weed, although she mentions it sometimes, like almost like she'd consider it if we had some. But she just like volunteered out of nowhere that she just smokes one cigarette a day now, Which is an amazing amount of cigarettes

Did you ask a bunch of follow up questions If I found out my parents did that I think I was too busy dying laughing When do you smoke it What kind do you smoke Where do you do this

We could even have her on the show I would do that Let's get her on the show Also I'm bizarrely proud of her Because one cigarette a day seems harder than zero cigarettes

Kind of it does

If people have one cigarette a day They're probably having the tendency would be to want to have 10 cigarettes a day like if you're a smoker you're a smoker if you're a non-smoker you're a non-smoker yeah one is a weird number one is like somebody who's able

to have one drink a day as i heard now i did have like you know when i quit my average was like five cigarettes a day and had been probably for years now that meant sometimes if i was at a party it might be

up to 10 or whatever but on average like a regular weeknight go outside smoke a cigarette maybe after work or something and then i don't know the last one before i go to bed or something like that and then a few in between so i think that my dad who used to be a big smoker back in the 70s or whatever probably like a couple of packs a day or something and then he hasn't touched it since 20 cigarettes are in a pack okay um to him like when he heard about that he was like astounded he's like i wish you quit but he's like also just like smoking five a day just seems like you're there just stop smoking i can't imagine he's like a guy who at one point smoked 40 cigarettes a day when he was in his 20s and probably literally had them rolled up in his shirt sleeve while he was on job which i bet was a cool look i'm sure yeah your dad's a pretty like

yeah he came up kind of cool like that yeah no i was surprised when i met him at the radio station i was like this is a pretty cool dude he had like pretty cool he had cologne going yeah old spice my dude and i'm and he loves his old i promise you none of this i'm being totally serious i was like this is a pretty boss dude yeah yeah no i could see him as a young man with the with the ciggies rolled up in the sleeve but before we um before we we got to go to a break here but sorry i don't have i'm not surrounded by clocks today so this show this show could go four hours because i have no sense of time we've missed the before we go to the break though to come back to it how is craig craig i say craig i didn't realize how funny i say craig craig my friend craig bun he's How's he doing? He's great. He's in charge of the Northwest region for Penguin Publishing. Oh, that's a good gig. Yeah, he's a writer as well, and he moved up to Seattle for his job with Penguin. He's a friend of my friend's Colin, and I'm just going really detailed on this. My friend's Colin and Lauren in Portland. Do I say Partland weird? Does he miss Portland? We didn't get into that because we were chatting it up, But then also I was trying to monitor my heart rate so that it did not go – I wanted to stay in the fat-burning zone. Were you sort of like jogging in place while you were talking to him a little bit? That would have been the most 80s move. I feel like that's one of those 80s things that's really stopped is the person at the stoplight continuing to jog. Really? Oh, okay. I feel like that was the move for a long time. And then I don't know if it's because we got activity watches. What I did do, though, and I felt like this was kind of a little precious of me, was I did stop my watch when I was talking to Craig.

Oh, sure. Yeah.

Because I want my average time to reflect the running and not the like standing there. Yeah, that would kill it if you stopped for five minutes. But the thing is, I don't actually really care that much about my pace. Although, here's the thing. But your watch does. Green Lake is really flat. So if there is anywhere that I can actually kind of get a pace that I feel a little proud of, it's Green Lake. Like, in other words, that's like in running circles, they'd say, like, it's a PR. It's like a personal record. Like, oh, did you get your PR in that race? Or they'll say, oh, that's a good Boston qualifier, meaning it's a marathon that is pretty flat. And but if you run it at a fast enough time, you qualify for the Boston Marathon. But it's a marathon that the one you're doing will maybe give you a PR. okay so green lake for me is a three mile pr sometimes yeah so i was like pausing my uh little my little running device which also made me feel kind of silly because like uh i'm still

not setting any world records out there yeah but first of all i think the gamification of exercise is one of is a huge motivator i think that makes total sense and also if you're worried about your your friend craig or as i say craig um partland from park craig from partland um you probably just thought you're pausing your music or whatever nobody knows what you're doing on No, I said to him, I said, I got to keep this PR going.

I literally made that stupid joke. Was he jogging too? He was just on a healthful walk. But, you know, I have to say, like, I think that jogging around Green Lake is my favorite. It's my favorite way to get some exercise. Well, no, pick up basketball is my favorite way. But as far as like jogging goes, that's my favorite place to jog because it is just such a nostalgic journey for me. And I mean, I have talked about this endlessly on the show and we are due for the break. But I could just stare so much of the formative memories of my childhood are held at Greenlake. As I'm talking to Craig, I go, I got my bike stolen from that field during football practice.

This is where my coach used to swim. Didn't you have a coach or teacher who would swim Greenlake?

That was the mailman, George. The mailman, George. Yeah. He usually would enter more near the bathhouse swimming area. But yes, I was like just in this random spot I stopped. I could have told Craig who You know was humoring me but I think also Was ready to get going with his walk I could have told him 20 stories From that spot that we stopped at And if you had me run 20 more yards I'd have 20 more stories The stories I told in that spot were and I'll be brief There used to be an Albertsons right there Me and Todd Staley and Donald Whitehouse would shoplift Potato chips and soda And then we would sit in these bushes And eat our stolen Ill-gotten gains from the Albertsons This is also where I used to have flag football practice i did get a bike stolen from here those basketball courts is where i used to play pickup basketball every day in the summertime if i took 20 more steps i'd go you see that starbucks it used to be a baskin robbins where my sister liz works she got carpal tunnel syndrome i mean it just doesn't stop and you haven't even touched duck island yet oh we were on the other side but thank god literally every 40 feet i ran be like oh that's the green lake public library that's where i used to you know go and steal books with josh i'd steal books and then sit in the woods and read the books i mean again i don't think that this is interesting content for craig or for the listeners but it's just amazing how many memories are packed into that place for me that are just stimulated or i'm reminded of as i go around because i mean from age i don't know probably seven to 17 i went to that place almost every single day of the

summer and did some bullshit you know it's beautiful there i was just passing it i got a glimpse of it from aurora the other day maybe even yesterday actually i think it was this is actually kind of funny genevieve and i mentioned we went to dinner last night genevieve had um a gift card for that place aqua which is a fancy restaurant by el gaucho down by the water i don't think i even know about that pretty fancy place and it was um because she she bought it in auction for a for a non-profit and it was a you know charity auction so um we had this gift certificate and um we wanted to do that but anyway so i believe that viz and i are the only people who've ever taken the e-line from aurora down to this fancy restaurant bus we took the bus we took the bus literally as literally as the bus pulled away from our bus stop a woman who asked genevieve for a dollar lit up a crack pipe as the bus was pulling away i have ever i had never i don't think

i've seen it in real life i've ever seen that in real life that so and i'm not even saying that i

I mean, obviously, that's a sickness and that's a problem. But I'm not even saying that to, like, shame that person or I'm not saying to defend smoking crack at bus stops. I'm just saying that, like, we've got to be the only person in the history of Aqua by El Gaucho who's taken the E line from a street corner where people are smoking crack all the way downtown to their fancy restaurant. I think I am very confident in saying that is a one of a human event.

And on those for that specific restaurant and that specific experience of that bus.

Yes. And but anyway, as we're driving down, as we're driving down Aurora on the bus, you know, taking advantage of the express lane, of course, the E is an express bus. I got a little glimpse of Green Lake and I was like, man, you move a little. Well, maybe this is maybe I shouldn't universalize it. Maybe it's just me. But it's like, man, I move. I don't know what four miles away from my old house. And it feels like a different world. Like I haven't walked around Green Lake in forever. It was almost like seeing something from my past sort of. And again, I don't think that I was doing a lot of walking around Green Lake maybe in my last few months at the old place anyway. But you were into that for a bit. There was a time when I lived in Wallingford, which was further away from Green Lake, I would walk I think a mile and a half there all the way around and back because it was something like five miles a day or something. I was doing that quite regularly, and I really enjoyed it. It really – and then for some reason I just have stopped doing that. I've enjoyed eating and playing darts more.

Well, now I've seen your dart setup, and I understand why. It's pretty sweet, right?

I get what all the hype is about. I love the dart setup so much.

I almost am like, I mean, I'm, boy.

Do it, do it.

No, I was going to say, I'm leaving for Lake Chelan after this. I've got a, this is my stopover. I felt like I didn't want to just do, it's like a seven-hour drive from Portland, and I thought it would be useful to break it up. Plus, I wanted to see you. Yeah. But I'm like, maybe. Chelan again. Can I just call, tell them I'll go tomorrow, and can I just stay, can we just watch the

mariners and play darts yes that'd be great you know who's coming my liver begs you my buddy uh nick jarn is in town he's coming over in a little bit come on let's have a let's have a slumber party that would be so much better for me than going to shaland all right anyway i'm glad that craig is doing okay by the way you don't have any clocks around you we are not almost an hour into

the show okay i'm gonna let's take a break and then i'm gonna consider my options and then we'll come back and play some dan campbell and play some what's in the box and do some music for your weekend stay with us here on tbtl hey let's thank some daily donors who are keeping tbtl in business with their generosity thanks to deborah watkins bellingham washington hey i remember that place thanks deborah chloe Pinckney is in Aberdeen, Washington. You almost said it with a Scottish broke. I know, and then I stopped myself for some reason. I just feel like that's more I reserve that for Connor Mulcahy. Also, Chloe's like, this is my thank you, not Connor's. Exactly. So thank you, Chloe, in Aberdeen, Washington. Ian Webster is in Athens, Georgia. Ooh, home of REM and the B-52s. And the University of Georgia, I believe, right? Go Dawgs. Although, I'll tell you what, I believe that the Georgia Bulldogs also use the D-A-W-G-S.

Yeah, I hate that. And I know there's a reason.

Well, is the reason for it here in Washington because the W like what I'm guessing that's the that's the kind of, you know, genesis of that. And I don't love it either, per se, but I at least can see a logical explanation because you've got the W for Washington. So we're being clever spelling the UGA. Is it is it UGA University of Georgia, Athens, Athens, maybe like spelling those dogs as D.A.W.G. to me is kind of makes no sense because there's no W.

What about the Cleveland Browns had the dog pound in the 1980s? Was it WG? Yeah, the Cleveland dogs, they call them. I hated it then. I hate it now. Like, it's terrible. Spelling dog. I'll say what's up, dog. Spelling dog, D-A-W-G. And even I can't I'm sorry, I can't give the U-Dub a pass on that either. I just think it's so it drives me bananas.

You know, when I was writing for the U-Dub Daily and Danny O'Neill was my editor, he would never ever let anyone use good d-a-w-g in that man in their pieces because he was like we're not a pr arm of the u-dub we are here to report objectively on men's swimming which but

i also love like he's also like he is so dyed in the wool more than anybody i even know as a u-dub

fan but like he wanted to when it came to the journalistic scruples of the u-dub daily circa 1996 he was all about it that guy's great thank you so much Ian in Athens also Brad Baxendal is in Norfolk Virginia I heard Baxendal I'm gonna say Baxendal thank you I heard a piece on NPR the other day and there's a Norfolk like Nebraska or something or it's a different one they also say Norfolk and I was like is I just thought that was a quirk of the folks in Virginia but there's another norfolk somewhere and they're saying it the same way which always feels like i'm right on the edge

of saying something bad well i also i'm just so sick of these people who name cities not coming up with any new plots or characters they're just taking all the old stuff and rehashing it and rebooting it and i'm not for it like come on name a city something new i saw something on twitter

this morning as i was about to head over here i don't think i'll be able to find it on the fly but i think it was a guy saying here you can visit every european capital without leaving the state of Maine it's either Maine or Vermont it's one of those states and he had this it was like you know he had the mapping software going there's like a Stockholm up in the top and then it just they just every city I mean they had every major European capital represented in these small towns now maybe it was a Photoshop bit and I missed the joke or something but the sense I got was that there is a state somewhere where you can visit every major European capital without leaving

this new England because I'm seeing some Texas stuff no it definitely struck me as being in the north the far northeast because apparently in yeah this looks like it's all in Texas you obviously have you have Paris you have Moscow Moscow like almost wasn't sure if I was gonna go with Moscow or Moscow there and I said it weird but you have Warsaw Rome Dublin London those are all in Texas

There's no way I'm going to get back to this tweet because it was one of those things. Something's been going on with Twitter. By the way, I also have to say thanks to Renee Miller in Seattle, Washington. Thank you, Renee. And then Carissa Carpenter is in Denver. Thanks, Carissa. Something's been going on with my Twitter where they just start. Oh, here we go. Steve Collins. This is the tweet. Touring the capitals of Europe without leaving Maine. Maine. So you start, according to this tweet, again, if it's to be believed. You start in Stockholm, and then you drive down, and then you go through Bangor, which is Bangor, which is not a capital. But you do hit a Rome, Athens, Moscow, Madrid, Berlin, Paris, and Lisbon.

Apparently, they also have a Mexico and a Peru. Really? All in Maine? I think so, yeah. I'm just looking this up now. I might be reading the internet wrong, though.

The thing I was going to say, though, that Twitter's been doing—I feel like I can tell that Twitter is teetering.

You tweeted this the other day. I was surprised. You were looking for Twitter help on your Twitter.

Well, I guess I was looking for community, Andrew. That's true, yeah. Because it feels to me like when I, you know, as of a year ago on Twitter, I would mostly see tweets from people I follow or.

maybe somebody who was followed by a lot of people i follow now it's just like first of all there was this thing called like t-shirts that go hard oh yeah did you hear about that that was that an ad was that a buy it was it felt so it's so funny i mentioned my friend nick um who's coming over

later today just so everybody knows um he tweeted out this is some sort of corporate hackery or something and then two days later he um he tweeted the article it did come out that the twitter released a statement saying like you some accounts including these t-shirts that go hard took advantage of something in the algorithm to like they like kind of game to the system somehow then

twitter shut it down because i was getting a ton of that but just it feels like it's gone from like five to ten percent of the tweets i was seeing were from people that i had no connection to and didn't care about to it's like 20 or 30 percent now like it's doubled of just a tweet

that's like it just says viral tweet yeah or or popular like it's and i i always do everything i

can in my feeds to shut that shit down yeah i mean i guess i had to i i should invest five minutes in learning how to do that but it just what it feels like is and this happens in radio or it happens all over the place like you can tell like a radio station is starting to starting to have some problems when it's like they'll take ads from anyone yeah and the ad the ad blocks get bigger and bigger and there's less and less content because there's they can't have to keep selling more ads, but then the problem is that's driving the ratings down. It's a spiral. It feels like Twitter is doing that to me right now. It's just, it's way more visual noise and stuff I didn't ask for than before.

Do you want to buy Twitter?

Do you think it'd be more expensive than Kixi?

Let's buy Kixi, make a dime, and then we can buy Twitter.

Can we buy Kixi and turn it into an NFT of some kind?

Oh, the Kixi NFT. I like it. I could say that.

This is my box. This is my box I never travel without my box Oh, what's in the box? In the first drawer I keep my magic stones Oh, what's in the box? Licorice, licorice Black sweet licorice Black sweet licorice

You can sing along now. Finally, I'm in time with the music. There's no delay.

Who made that again?

I did. But who sent in... A listener suggested using that music and I don't have the listener's name for me right now.

You know how we talk a lot about How we Sort of misremember Who is saying what In a drop like the thing The drop with California you got Sunshine It's the guy from Smash Mouth but it forever sounds like Sammy Hagar to you I believe If we hadn't spent so much time Debating on the what's in the box drop Itself because it's from the movie Seven and it's very dark I would believe that was Bill Murray

Oh what's in the box

Let's just listen to this again

This is my box This is my box I never travel without my box Oh what's in the box

You did not have a box to my knowledge

There was no box Like it sounds Bill Murray-ish to me I don't know Maybe it was a recommended tweet or something But I watched a tweet yesterday Where I think it was a guy's TikTok video I watched a tweet that was a guy's TikTok video Where he was like doing like Celebrity impressions nobody does I'm never really super impressed with these things and it was like bill murray coming in like bill murray getting over covet or something he just kind of walks out of his house and he's this guy's kind of good though right bill murray imitation was good but what i liked the most about it is like this guy is just like doing it full volume and he walks from the inside of his house into the little outside area and he's yelling as bill murray uh and then you hear his name i think it's literally his neighbor yells at him to shut up and he's like oh sorry do you remember this can you look it up are you trying to call it up here trying to call it up here uh i um oh boy and i think and i always think about that like these people who are doing their tiktok dances or their imitations or whatever like it's so it's so annoying to the people around them i would imagine okay i don't even know if this is

the same guy um it should say on the screen like part three right okay okay okay i think this is the guy that same guy i was thinking of or there's two people out there doing bill murray getting over covid impressions they should do it yeah and he's like i survived it or whatever right

we all really like these so here's part three of impressions nobody else does bill murray getting over covid i had it i made it out it didn't kill me you can too everybody can

we're gonna be all right sorry unless you think that's a plant do you think that might be a plant

But you know what's really

His face looked a little bit Actually chagrined there Listening to just the audio I'm with you, that sounds too clean of audio If somebody's saying shut up But when I saw it yesterday He looked kind of chagrined

This guy's named Justin Ruppel by the way I want to give him credit

talk under the ruffle is this guy's handle whenever he's ever been in a thruple the ruffle but anyway really we have to get to what's in the box but what this says about me is that my attention span has now gotten so short that i don't even watch an entire tick tock you didn't get to the end of that i watched this when i when i saw it i thought that's kind of a interesting idea but i didn't even get to the part where someone yells at him because i now don't even have like my attention span went from i could read a book i could watch a movie to oh i just like to scroll twitter to like i like to look at tiktok to like i don't like to look at tiktoks that are over 28 seconds i like about 24 seconds in me it's just wow to witness it in real time the absolute and complete degradation of my attention span is really something anyway

actually before we find out what was in the box i want to do something else here because we also have a new segment called tbtl unexplained and we asked people to make a theme song for that right now we're not going to do tbtl unexplained right now but what's in the box right now are more listener submitted theme songs for our other segment tbtl unexplained because we'd already

heard this one from listener alley dummies don't know what you're saying so please start explaining TBTL

So I'll fade that one out. That was the one we heard the other day. Sophie submitted this one.

TBTL What does it mean? Drop spoofs and memes Forever It's too beautiful To live Inside to the power Of inside It's TBTL Unexplained

That is beautiful and I'd also buy that as a magnetic field song. If you told me that was off of 69 Love Stories, I'd be like, 100%.

Oops, sorry, I didn't mean to hit play again on that. I have one more here that I haven't even listened to yet. I just realized this is from our boy Brian in Portland. Oh, yeah. Pedal steel is one of his instruments and just all-around musician and producer. And he sent us this 11-second. He said, short but sweet, that's the way to do it, right? And I said, yes, you clearly have listened to TVTL. So this is from Brian. Again, I haven't heard this. Let's take a listen.

tpto unexplained wow what happened wow that's so good i was not ready for that

i thought it was gonna be like a full like multi-instrumental kind of thing but it's a

straight up that's just mtv news yes meets sports talk meets whatever this is you're right it's That typewriter sound. That's great. We go again.

TBTO. Unexplained. Hey, what happened? You're right.

There's literally the MTV News sound. So great and beautiful in their own way. Now, here's the problem, Andrew. Our colleague, Annie, who we work with at 8 p.m., who's so funny and clearly listens to the show on the regular. I know. was sending us i mean annie has the i could say you know potentially annoying task of sending us lots of ideas for sponsors and then us in my case taking far too long to reply and say that seems like a good fit for us or that doesn't right it's not a big ask of me and yet i somehow stretch this out over the course of weeks and months but annie is so clever so she will often sometimes start the email with something related to the show and she wrote a headline the other day that i think is so genius tbtl unexplained try to remember i do like that yes that's the official name of the segment not thanks for the rememories or maybe i just the word remember i do try to remember try to remember is so good good tbtl unexplained so i feel like the try to remember we have all these beautiful theme songs that so if you want to get in on the action there is an opening for someone to record using the official title TBTL Unexplained Try to Remember It. Every time we do this we're going to have

a different name and a different song but that's not what we're here to do now.

This is my box. This is my box. I never travel without my box. Oh, what's in the box?

Okay, so let's start. Now these are a bunch of things that I picked up at the post office recently. Some of them were actually in the very first batch as well And I think I know what's in a couple of these boxes I'm going to give this one to you This is from I'm excited about this one Just based on the packing tape Now this one is exciting It's addressed to me But I'm letting you open it Because this is from our buddy Lynn And he emailed us I kind of know what's going to be in that box You have your opener, right? Okay, I do Thank you, yes So do you remember what's going to be in that? No, I don't

It's actually official TBTL business in there. Oh, okay. I just love, again, this is a notoriously visual medium podcasting, but the packing tape that I'm going to guess Lynn put on here with this kind of incredibly adorable octa animal. I don't know what kind of. I don't know, but I love it. I want to adopt this animal, whatever it is. It's very cute, yeah. Can I get a picture of that? Could that maybe be a show pick if we're looking for something? Try to keep your feet out of this pick for once. Jeez Louise. Do you want this episode to trend or not? Hold on. Here we go. Okay. Nice. So you're going to open that. Now, I'll give a little bit of it. So Lynn, most listeners know Lynn ran or kind of runs the Marsupial Gurgle website. Marsupial Gurgle. Hey, Marsupial Gurgle. And, of course, he was kind of backing off the daily responsibilities of chopping up every show and posting a bunch of audio every day. So he wanted you and I to have, I think, like full digital backups of his entire website. So I think what's in this box are like opening it. Oh, it's very dry. It's bubble wrap. Do you know part of the cute aggression study that they were doing? The scientist who was remember I was talking about the reply all. They would give people bubble wrap and then they would ask. that they would note how many of the bubbles they popped when they saw something cute. That was a way of measuring what their level of cute aggression was. See, that's a little bit more relatable to me, yeah. So I'm going to ask you what Brad Pitt asked at the end of seven. What is in that box? What's in this box, Andrew? Hold on, still. It's very, very well protected. Use the knife. Don't be afraid of the knife. You know, one time, years and years ago, i bought carrie this camera that she wanted it was like um it was a digital camera but made to look old and it came with a cool leather uh kind of vintage looking leather case you know that snapped yes that snapped over it yes tightly and it was in the box and i was opening it and i was being impatient and i had some kind of a knife yeah and i cut the tape god damn it in doing that I scored, I scratched a line in the lens cover. This is how the camera was oriented in the packaging. And it was just like, I basically made a scratch in the leather in the most visible, dumb place. And then I tried to give it to her and play it off like patina. And she was like, did you use a knife to open? So I'm forever worried. And then she served with papers the next day, I believe. Ironic, maybe less ironic and more interesting. Of all the things I did, that that was it. That was what finally was the last right. No, okay, I'm still opening this, but anyway, my point is I'm always a little nervous around cutting into boxes. You should be. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. Here we go. I'm looking at a couple of... Anchor brand.

Yes, anchor brand thumb drives, marsupial gurgle, audio archive, USB thumb drive, plus type A to type C adapter. Oh, nice, because our modern computers only have USB-C, so that's really sweet. Thank you, Lynn, for this completism. There are two of them in there. There's one of them for you and one of them for me, I think. I guess. Do you want to take both of them? You take one to Chelan and play with it. I cannot wait. Tonight in Chelan, everyone's like, let's go to Senior Frogs. And I'm like, actually, let's gather around my laptop. I've got some audio for you, Dykstra. It's going to be me and Andrew and things we've said in the past. Honestly, though, the inclusion of the adapter is just like that is exactly. Lynn is very, very detail-oriented in the best sort of way. Oh, this is a cool thumb drive, too. Here, I'm going to open this one. This is another one that I got a couple of weeks ago and I've been dying to open. Listener Keith emailed me. Actually, Keith, I should give him credit. He was really, I think, maybe the final inspiration for finally getting a P.O. box, which, by the way, I'm getting a bunch of messages from Concur at 8 p.m. saying, like, you haven't submitted your receipts for this P.O. box yet. I'm going to take that out of your salary. But Keith is a leather crafter. Oh, wow. Yes. Yes. I know this, Keith. And I was obsessed, of course, with my cast iron skillet reclamation project recently. And so he said, it's special to own a house. Let's let this be a little housewarming gift for you. Enjoy from Keith. And stone craft leather is Keith's operation. And he made, and I think that he made these for a couple of other tens as well. a nice little leather skillet handle. That says too beautiful to live on it? And it says too beautiful to live, and it's a hand-crafted leather. Now, I used a knife to open this, so I put a big score across it. Oh, good. That's the best move. But look at that. So you slip that over the handle of the cast iron skillet, and then you can touch it. You're like me, right? Anytime you get a fine piece of leather like this, you smell it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Usually I put it in my armpit first and I smell it like I did to that one. No, but you know what? I am actually worried about the whole game. No, here's what happened today, Andrew. By the way, Keith, this is incredible. It's beautiful. And it smells amazing. It smells like my baseball mitt from seventh grade. Stonecraft leather. I want to say that again. So check it out and support Keith. I'm very worried, Andrew, because this morning I got back to the hotel room And I realized that my deodorant was still in the car. It was in a different bag than the bag I had in the hotel room with me. And I told myself, I took a shower, of course, and everything. And I said, Burbs, when you get to your car in the parking garage, first thing you do, put on the deodorant so you don't forget. Because otherwise, you're going to go on a journey the rest of the day where now, even if I put deodorant on now, it's too late.

I'm putting, I'm spackling over the problem. I now have an underlying situation because I forgot to put it on.

Oh, and you can't go back to your hotel to shower before you go to Chelan.

And also, you know me and the showering. I don't want to do a full entire re-shower. I just want to like. But you wanted a jog. I showered. Oh, after the jog. This is what I look like showered. Oh, I see. Can you tell I look amazing?

I was about to offer you our shower service. No, wait, not shower services. It's not a shower service. But I was going to say you can. And it kind of just re-caulked our bathroom. Oh, wow. That's not getting less dirty. No. Okay, here we go.

Okay, you just opened that. That is a handsome, handsome piece of leather work from Listener Keith. That's really nice, yeah. Should I open this letter from McShell? Is that okay?

Yes, and now if you, yes, I think, do you know what's in all of these boxes? Well, not all of them. While you do that, I did want to get a, I wanted to also shout out Listener Karen, Karen hug h-u-g-g who has a new book coming out and i actually saw karen recently and she gave me an advanced copy and i want to promote this as well her new book is called leaf your troubles behind how to de-stress and grow happiness through plants i mentioned this briefly the other day but i think i got the name wrong it's a beautiful book and it's a great idea as well and karen's an amazing writer so i wanted to shout this out as well look for karen's work online i think she's like kind of

active in the facebook community and what have you uh this uh from michelle andrew is addressed to you i think what i'm realizing is and this is only fair because you're the keeper of the po box flame but every one of these is addressed to you andrew here are two new save tbtl postcards jen flash andrews is the creator so i guess jen made these yeah so these are the can i have one

of these yes please yeah exactly these are the you can have them both because i have this one here with uh michelle's original note on it so this is the photo of handmade signs that people stuck up on the outside brick wall of cairo radio back in 2009 when you guys lost um your radio show and it says save tbtl i knew exactly where it was in the shitter you didn't you didn't lose it no i did not

misplace the radio show cairo misplaced us oh yeah i love this picture yeah this is so genius Honestly, when this came up recently on the show, I sort of cavelled a little bit more than I do normally just by saying that night was so kind of comforting to know that as many people cared as did and people showed up and posted these signs at the radio station and then somebody took a picture of it and here it is a postcard. I am going to frame this and put this up somewhere in my house. What are you laughing about?

I just figured out the perfect thing to do with this. Remember I told you. With what? with the thing I'm holding. Remember I told you that I mailed a letter to myself at the new P.O. box to make sure it worked. I would like you to open it so you can actually see the detail of what I did. Oh my gosh, you made it. Take a look at what I mailed myself. Do I say mail funny? Look at what Craig mailed me. From Partland. From Partland. Okay, this is from Andrew Walsh. It was just a test envelope, but I didn't want to send an empty envelope through the mail.

It's from Andrew to Andrew Walsh slash TBTL. and it's a piece of paper here. Let's see. Hey, Andrew, comma, I sincerely, sincerely underlined Hope This Finds You Well.

I forgot I wrote that. That's handwritten, right? This should definitely be the show pic. It can't be because it's got my home address on it. I literally could blur that out.

Blur that out because then you have this great piece of clip art of like a 1950s mailman rushing to deliver this letter to the TBTL mailbox. Sincerely, comma, A.

And then you notice I adjusted the clip art so that it actually has the proper addresses of both my home and the P.O. box on that. I love that so much. I love that so much. Anyway, so, yeah, we can make that. It worked, Andrew. It worked. We can do that. So it'll work. The P.O. box works. So that is, my friends, what's in the box. I want to. reiterate one more time you have some more things to open but I really enjoy the fact that people get a kick out of sending us these things and you can continue to do so but also don't I'm not out here asking for gifts I want to make that clear too we love you all you do not have to send not everybody can send handcrafted leather products to me or huge volumes of far side jokes and that is fine just

one last thing we got this this is like a baseball card and you open it and it pops up this is very beautiful isn't it god this is incredible this is the most elaborate there's i'm sure a term by the these were my favorite kind of cards when i was a kid yeah anything that like opens and like something kind of unfolds or like there's any movement you know that was always what i was going for this thing opens up to be a baseball stadium with crowd and a huge mitt and a baseball and then inside the card is a photo of us from one of our mariner games and it says hey lloyd do some delivery for the truck to the airport happy podcasting from kirk from our pal kirk who's

going to be on the show next week oh this is dr yeah this is doc put some respect on that

some respect on my name absolutely dude that's really dope thanks kirk yeah so really uh yeah

some really beautiful pieces of art in here so again just uh if you feel like emailing us or i'm sorry if you feel like uh physically mailing us something the uh p.o box is three three six eight 7 seattle washington 98133 that's p.o box 3368 send a self-addressed stamped envelope to p.o box 33687 seattle washington 98133 also we finally have a good cute accessible uh contact us page on tbtl.net just went live yesterday i'm getting emotional talking about you you and james put that together if i remember right yeah exactly our colleague and our buddy james uh and so if you go to tbtl.net all of our because i realized like i don't know if our phone number was up there definitely our new po box wasn't up there and it was just like various information about us was scattered across the site so now we have one place a contact us page you can check that out i swear i'm not crying i just have something in my throat all right let's do a little music for your weekend

before we get out of here but andrew we got to keep it relatively brief because now that i'm stressing about my armpits i'm now stress sweating you know what i mean like as soon as i realized What I did As in forgot to put deodorant on Now I'm freaking out And every second that goes by Is only making the situation worse What I really need to do is Yeah Basically I need to do another hose down I need to You can't just put deodorant on over BO No And think it's gonna be okay Do you need our shower or not? No I might need to Do you need our showering services? I need I need more caulk in that bathroom Andrew What would you say the current level is?

Now I hear it I didn't hear it before When I said caulking And maybe I'd maybe better emphasize that L a little bit more. You tweeted something about that recently, right? Or did you quote somebody else's tweet? Never do I speak more carefully than when I'm asking somebody for caulk at Home Depot.

Although I do remember retweeting that. But I'll tell you, I bought a machete. I bought a machete the other day at Home Depot because I've got these enemies. Yeah. You got all these like long plants that are growing in places they're not supposed to. And if they're not weed-whackable or whatever, and as I wrote on Twitter, there's just, no matter how many times you rehearse it in your head, or even mutter it quietly to yourself, there's no not weird way to approach someone at the store and go, hi, where are the machetes? I think muttering it to yourself is probably the best way to do it. Yeah, muttering quietly to yourself as you're walking past them. Okay, let's do some music for your weekend.

Of course I did it.

Would you like to start?

Yeah, sure. You heard me playing a little bit of this at the beginning of the show. This is by a musician named Ezra Furman. You said that you had some knowledge of Ezra Furman. I don't know too much about her. I don't even know her city of origin, but has been around for a while, was in, I think, the Ezra Furman band, and has a new album coming out, a solo record. And this song really struck my fancy. Is that the right term? Yeah, I believe it. It's in the right tense. What does one do to one's fancy? You strike it?

Yeah, that would really strike their fancy. But if it was past tense, when you first heard it, it struck your fancy, I believe.

Yes. Oh, and by the way, I think I think other people know Ezra Furman's work a lot more than I do. And I think we probably have some fans of the Netflix show Sex Education. And apparently Ezra did the soundtrack to that. So maybe that's some context for you here. The name of this song is Poor Girl, A Long Way From Heaven. Oh, a big swear right in the first line.

OK, darn it. The human mind is a pile of shit New life takes root in it It grows into the most Complicating formations With stunning colors And branches reaching up Toward the heaven That they long to touch Trying to get just a brief audience With the sun They want to ask the sun to shine down And warm the pile of shit they come from The new album is coming out in a couple of weeks, August 26th.

It's called All of Us Flames, and the name of the song is Poor Girl, A Long Way from Heaven by Ezra Furman.

I really like it. You know why I was, I told you, oh, Ezra Furman, that rings a bell. And I was like, well, maybe Addie was talking about them. But, no, I remembered it as the music was playing. There's a This American Life piece where Ezra Furman's, I believe, brother is talking about the fact that their father keeps this spreadsheet of where all the Furman children are sleeping every night. And then can, like, it's just like this weird, let me just, I'm scrolling through this episode of This American Life. How long ago was this? Can you tell? I can't. I'm trying to buy a little time here. Let's see here. This is Dana Chivas talking about. So Boris Furman is, I think, the family member that Dana is interviewing. Or maybe that's the dad. He records all this data in a physical notebook, which has his name and family average location embossed on it in gold next to a little rocket ship. Every few weeks, Boris sends an email announcing the F.A.L. family average location, including a fact about the place. Like at one point in September, the F.A.L. was. Oh, so what he does is the dad figures out the middle point. So he figures out where everyone in the family is and then what the geographic middle point of all those places is. And he calls it the F.A.L. Recently, the F.A.L. was Elkton, Maryland, which Boris noted in his email conducted a lucrative business in quick marriages until a 1938 state law stipulated a 48 hour waiting period. That's funny.

That's Ezra Furman's dad. I kind of, I can sort of associate with that weird kind of a project. You've got big F-A-L energy. That's so, good memory on you, too. It looks like this episode came out in December of last year, so relatively.

I think the episode was called The Ghost in the Machine. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I just, yeah, I just remember that, I remember that standing out to me, and then the person's last name being Furman, and then them referencing that Ezra Furman was their sibling.

I need to get, I need to get into This American Life again, it's been way too long. Dude, that show don't miss. It used to be like a religion for me. That show don't miss. I used to literally have a briefcase of the of this American life on those little generic white cassette tapes at the radio station. I would do a I would do a board op shift that would end at midnight. But on Fridays, I knew that the new this American life dats had dropped in the in the traffic person, the person not who handles actual reporting of traffic, but the the traffic coordinator who coordinates everything that's kind of on the air. And when certain spots air She in her office would leave the dap for me On top of a filing cabinet And knew that I would tape it that night Dub it onto a cassette tape and take it home And then I would go home and drink beer Light a candle and just listen to This American Life That doesn't sound like a bad Friday night to me, man Great, just I loved it so much

And I have to give them credit I mean, I feel like the show still For me, really delivers You know, like I just I find it to be very compelling listening And it's it's evolved in ways over the years, but I think it still is a really, really good, particularly considering how many other shows it inspired.

Yeah, they're also good. Yeah. I don't have a lot of regrets over getting rid of objects in my life for the most part. But I mean, I know I go on my little quests as an adult of like trying to get another Walkman or whatever, but that's just kind of nostalgia and midlife chrysery. But the one of the things that I really regret at some point, I probably just chucked it. Maybe I gave it to somebody, probably just chucked it, but my little cassette briefcase with probably 60 This American Life, all meticulously labeled. Oh, God, that would be such a trove. Oh, well. I know.

The song that I want to suggest is from this guy, Labby Sifri, who I've just been obsessed with. And the more that I listen to his stuff, the more obsessed I become with him. I first kind of got interested because he has been sampled by lots and lots of artists, hip hop artists like Kanye and Jay-Z and Eminem. But so it was first it was a bit of a curiosity for me. And I know I played a song of his a while ago, but I don't remember which song. I hope it wasn't the same one. But like just the further I get into this guy's catalog. Oh, you know what? The song that we played was God Bless the Telephone.

Yes, I fell in love with that.

That's this guy. Okay. I thought it was a woman.

This whole time that we were talking about it, and I've heard that song a bunch because a bunch of – we played a cover of it as well, I believe.

That's right, and then it drove us down – I think it took us down the rabbit hole of finding the original –

That's so funny. In my head, I kind of didn't – because I was unfamiliar with the name Labrie except for you telling me that. And because that song is so delicate and in a very high register, I didn't realize – that is such a beautiful song about a technology that future generations won't even understand.

end and i'm telling you like every uh this person labby sifri i mean he was he was i don't know if he was out but he was like a queer black man in england in the 70s so you know yeah probably zero shit coming his way and is just writing this like incredibly um beautiful thought-provoking smart musical music like it holds up on every level for me uh i'm trying to find since since now i remember we played um god bless the telephone we could actually switch over to this this this other song too by him that is quite amazing by the way i've been getting so obsessed with him that i like was thinking could i do a documentary about him he's still alive by the way and seems vibrant and then i realized bbc one just dropped a documentary about him like four months ago but i can't watch it because you have to be in the uk i clicked on it and they're like you have to be In the UK to watch this

Why don't you I know talk to Walt B Or Andy W I might be able to hook you up

Can I play from my computer This is this song Called I Got The And it's Labby Siffry And this is I want to be careful because when we play too much of a song We get By the way I think the telephone song is just called Bless the telephone But anyway I don't want to play too much of this song So as to get us in trouble But we're not on YouTube You think I can get away with two minutes of this song? Because there is a tempo change And then it goes into an incredibly well-known sample

Why don't you cut in a little bit? Can I fade up?

I'm going to start it I'm starting the song And then I'm going to talk over it And then I'll jump ahead

Okay

By the way, totally different sound than the Yeah, I love this That blessed the telephone, though, right? This could be a T-Rex intro. There's a whole story about this session guitarist, by the way, who played this, which is a story for another day.

I know this. It must be from a hip-hop song. Oh, it will be in a few minutes. I know this really well, yeah. This isn't even the sample, though.

Wait till we get to that.

I got the blues, but I don't mind All I have to do is get to you And then I feel just fine I'm on a down, but not all the way When I'm feeling low, you do your thing just so And then I feel okay You're so good The way you give

Like, how is this not the number one song in America the week it came out? Okay, I'm going to jump ahead a little bit. Okay. So here we go. Here we go now. Here, bring it back up. There's going to be a major tempo change, and then we're going to get into the vibe.

Oh, yeah. It's built for sampling. I'm so mad at Eminem for ruining this. Because that's all I can hear now is his squeaky voice. Right. Good call. That's exactly what he is.

Now, here's the thing. And peace and love to our Eminem fans. The only thing I like about my name is this sample. Right. I was always like, I'll tolerate that song talking about Pam and Tommy and going into strip clubs or whatever, because I find this sound so engaging. Now I've gotten to the source. No, I can listen to Labby Siffry just doing this completely great track and hear this sample.

We're going to get a note from Spotify saying that Eminem wants us to take this now. Easy, Marshall. Oh, the irony.

I'm talking over a lot of it though So I think we can keep playing it for another couple seconds Anyway, the song goes on for like six and a half minutes But I just cannot I can't recommend this Labby Sifri guy enough And again, he just has like Let me just play one more really quick, okay? So this is just

Just Kanye samples this one. But listen to the range of this guy's, the kind of energy and emotion he can create in a song. This is my song And no one Can take it away It's been so long But now you're here Here to stay And I wonder Oh, yeah, right? What it means To find your dreams come true Is this the song that Kanye sings about Jay? No, what is it? This feels like near the end of a record. Right, one of those, like, When he's just going to go 17 minutes. Yeah. Oh, God, I love that. Anyway, yeah, Labby Siffrey would recommend. And as soon as I can get my hands on that email address, I'm going to try to watch that doc. Splitnet.net. Yes, splitnet.uk. All right, our listener suggestion this week comes from listener Peter, who says, Hey, friendos, I'd like to submit Loretta by Ginger Root as music for your weekend. I came across this song on Instagram, and it's such a summer jam. The group's Wikipedia says they are self-described as aggressive elevator soul, which somehow actually makes sense. So much fun. And the video is pretty entertaining with the 1940s big band jazz vibe mixed with Japanese talk show and a 70s aesthetic. And all the instruments are played by the same guy. So that's what we're going to go out with on this Friday. A little ginger root from listener Peter. Thanks for listening, everyone. Thanks for being part of TBTL. I'll be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for you. Got to go put some deodorant on. So if you see me out this weekend, please don't judge me for my smells. We'll see you on Monday. Until then, have a great weekend. Stay safe. Go Mariners. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. We'll be right back. You whisper, how are we supposed to carry on?

Actually, you know what? I can email you. Or, you know, you can email me at splat2 at splatnet.net. Splat1's my father. I mean, I'll be sad to see him go. It'll be nice to get my hands on that handle, you know? Power out.