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All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome to the final installment of the TBTL Summer Games. Coming at ya on a Friday. Hi, I'm Luke Burbank. Right over there, my friend Andrew Walsh. Good morning. Hello. Good morning. Hello. I'm calling it best summer games yet, assuming I don't really screw up this final show. I would say all we have to do is not have a complete disaster on this Friday. And these will definitely have been probably the most fun, entertaining summer games. Have you ever done a murder mystery dinner type of thing? It seems doesn't seem like your vibe. It's not my vibe I have not done it And I think If I were invited to one I would try to not do it But Did you think I said orgy? Is there a difference? I'm sorry That was a little You know what Andrew? I did it I've already ruined the summer games We have a real bullpen collapse here I had one job Don't ruin the show on Friday But you were going, you could just bleep that out, maybe. You were like, I've never had one. I don't think I would like it. And if I was invited, I would say no. And where my brain went, and I'm sorry, I'm just as God made me. It went to, what's the absolute worst thing he could be referring to with those comments? And I said it out loud. It stopped the whole show in its tracks. Although, I would probably do that before, like, a cottage cheese tasting party or something. When you want to say really the last, last thing. Although, I don't know. that might be a tie um but anyway now murder mystery in my life i have not you you have done it right you've mentioned on the show before you did a murder it's just a murder that the police don't know about oh so it's still a mystery to them maria bamford no no i did it i did it yeah um didn't you go to a murder mystery dinner once or am i making i did i was a kid though like i'm with you i would have a very hard time in adult life taking it seriously enough like i wouldn't do great being in character or dressing up yeah like the kind of that element of it would be something that i would probably struggle with in my adult life but as a as a kid is probably like i don't know 13 14 year old my buddy peter williams's family we we took a trip down to actually the dalles oregon kind of along the columbia river where um their family friends lived and we would sometimes go down the um the walworth none of this is important but just well it's actually kind of cute because did you go to the andrew walsh school of storytelling i'll state like 17 facts and i'll be like okay none of that is important to the story that's just background i wonder if it's just how my brain and maybe sometimes your brain uh-huh is just re it's like the way it's going and finding the information is these little details so it's

like i'm i'm telling a story but my brain's also needing to remember the story yep yep and way it's remembering it is like okay for instance so you had diane and randall williams that was peter's parents and then you had lloyd and diane walworth and they sometimes i believe we would refer to them as the willworths because you had the williams and the walworths and they were really good friends these these families that would do stuff together all the time so we went down um to the walworth's place in the dalles and it was in fact it was probably around this time of because what I remember about it was it was outdoors. I was wearing a, like, tweed suit jacket of Randall's because, you know, you had to be in, like, costume. And I was sweating my balls off. It was, like, 100 degrees. And we're sitting outside, and we're doing this murder mystery, and it was miserable. Oh, my God. And were you also self-conscious in this situation? I wasn't old enough to be – because I was kind of a drama nerd kid as well. I was into things that were like performing also like if adults were saying we're going to do a murder mystery and this is how you do it and you dress up this way I was into it like I other than the temperature was really kind of not bearable but as far as the like performance I don't think I also I don't think I had an extremely exotic character you know I wasn't like I didn't have a mustache and I.

was you know from um luxembourg or something like i think i was just me but sweatier and in like

adult man's tweed jacket yeah like i'll say like you know i was not well i was maybe hesitant but i was you know somewhat anxious about doing the escape room now you know when my friend invited me to try an escape room i know we were new at apm because i was joking with you i said i'm gonna try to extend I'm trying to expand my experiences in my personal life and take up opportunities like this because now TV tells my full-time job and I should try to leave the house more and so when my friend invited me to try a um an escape room I hadn't heard of him at that point this was 2015 right we were hired in the spring of 2015 so um they weren't quite the rage then I think we've now like kind of we're now on the other side of the escape room rage if there ever was a rage but But like, I got to say, I was like a little bit somewhat anxious about like having to go in and, you know, be inside of a story or whatever. But like the good thing about the escape room is you don't have to perform like, yes, there's a storyline around it. Like, you know, like some it was like 1940s L.A. And of course, some starlet was murdered or missing or something like that. And we're in we're in the room, the last place she was seen and we have to get out. I don't read. It doesn't matter. but you know like all of that was like kind of storyline but basically we just had to find clues and get the hell out of there you know what i mean i didn't have to wear a monocle or a or any kind of a silly hat i'm sure some people do that that that's the part of it like any kind of performative measures or any kind of um dress up is the type of stuff that i have no interest in

yeah uh like i said i i all the only part of it that was well there was two things about it that trek that my memory of it so there was two things that were not ideal one i think we were a little unclear on the rules like of actually how to play it so to figure out who did it or whatever you know because a lot of times when you do those if you go like i take a murder mystery train or something there are people running it like someone's kind of in charge someone kind of knows the rules someone kind of knows who did it but we were trying to do it i think in a way where everyone could also play like no one no one had to just be an operating the game the murder mystery everyone was playing so then there was some complexity around how the whenever the point at which someone figured out they were the murder you know what i mean like there was a kind of a practical issue so i just remember sitting around sweltering in this jacket just gotta remember the jacket so vividly sitting outside at like a kind of a picnic table in this outfit just so miserable and then also everyone being like having these weird conversations about is the game over yet

was it was dahlia the murderer when people are playing a game and they keep asking is the game over yet that's always a good sign for the game that's a lesson for us here at tbtl summer games is the game over yet has it started yet what's going on yes that was the that's my takeaway

and maybe that's also informed why i've never uh i've never delved back into that world again I don't know you know I may have gone all the way through like the looking glass to where I started out as a kid like have like basically participating in something like that and being unironic for a moment of my life was fine and then I entered a long 30 to 40 year period of being not fine and maybe I don't know maybe as I we learned from Dr. Kirk Honda that there's all kinds of things happening later in life that we might not expect like high self-esteem at age 70. Maybe I'll just stop being such a no fun person as I move towards 50. And maybe I'll get into that kind of stuff and be able to just be like, it's fun. It's not hurting anyone. I'm pretending that my name is Professor Peacock or whatever.

Wait, that's the name of my neck. Is that literally from Clue? I don't think so. Isn't there a professor? There's how many characters can you name from Clue? There's a Colonel Mustard. That's the only one that I can. What about is it ladies? Can you look this up? Can we start the game? This is not officially today's game, but I want to play this game because I used to like Clue when I was a kid. We had the old school. I mean, I'm sure there were many, many versions of Clue, but I think we had one that maybe went back to my mom's childhood or young adulthood. So it was like a very old game that I really liked, you know, with all the little pieces and the and the little envelope with the cards. And my parents, you wouldn't be surprised to hear if they kept anything like that. They kept it pretty meticulous, you know. So we had this old game And so we had I remember you had Colonel Mustard And then you had Like Vava Voom Lady Scarlet Is it Lady Scarlet Miss Scarlet I'm gonna give it to you

You had Scarlet As the Scarlet's the important

Yeah Well the Vava Voom Is the most important Because I think she Wasn't she She was like That was her maiden name Right Yeah But then when she married Dr. Scarlet She became Miss Scarlet Right Okay And then I just had another one Um,

Professor Plum, right? That was the professor, Professor Plum. Okay, now, how many more are there? So we've gotten Miss Vavavoom Scarlet, Colonel Mustard, and by we, I mean you. Yeah, and Professor Plum. So that's three out of- Professor Plum. And then there was the one that I accidentally actually said one of them a minute ago. I made it- Oh, there is something Peacock? Is it Mrs. Peacock? What is her title? Mrs. Peacock. Okay, and she's an older rich lady, right, who probably smokes cigarettes with a long cigarette holder type of thing? Precisely Okay, are there any more? Yes, there are There are three more I feel like there's another woman Who might be a little bit Slightly more bookish With glasses, potentially More matronly I would go matronly Oh, okay At least this Also, by the way There's about 75,000 versions of Clue Clearly every time Hasbro Needs to make more money They just update The avatars of these characters So maybe the avatar I'm looking at For this person Who's a female I don't know if this reflects the one that was on your board game In Valley Center, Ohio City But Whatever She has the name The character's name Is also the real name Of a beloved Figure from entertainment who passed away recently Who was on a TV show An ensemble TV show featuring all Oh Women of a certain age Betty? Yes Whose last name is In the game there's a Betty You know what just occurred to me too No, no, no, not Betty Her last name Oh, right, right, right There was a White But I can't Mrs. White It's just Mrs. White? It's just Yes I mean the version I'm looking at So there's two just Mrs. then Mrs. White Well, Miss Scarlet is Miss Scarlet She's single and ready to mingle Mrs. White But who was the Peacock? Mrs. Oh, sorry So two Mrs. Mrs. Peacock Yeah You know what's driving people nuts? It just occurred to me i kind of got in my head about this is for a lot of people the cult the cultural touch point here is the movie clue which i watched once but maybe not carefully enough and certainly i didn't realize what a cult classic it was and and i'm gonna mention quoting it yeah i'm actually looking at a helpful illustration of who the characters are in the game and who has played them and who played them in the film and i will tell you this the uh person playing mrs white was madeline khan oh right not matronly she's not overly matronly in the photo she looks very stylish in it so so what i'm trying to explain to you is the mrs white character from clue like the avatar the cartoon of it she looks like the lady on the box of c's candies but then the person playing her in the movie madeline khan does not look that way so that could add to some confusion and madeline khan has one of like the most kind of standout kind of performances right she does that scene where she's

like kind of she stutter talks do you know the scene i'm talking about i don't know the scene i've seen a million people imitate it a million times and i'm looking for it here but unfortunately i can't find on the fly a lot of people know what i'm talking about it's um here is this you know what i watched on the plane the other day we are getting no closer to finishing the quiz or even starting it i watched young frankenstein which also has madeline khan in it and a very funny terry gar it was really good i think this is here i think this is the scene here i don't know what they're talking about and again i'm kind of coming into this blind actually i'm going to play the whole clip in case there's any context we need here but i think i might i mean this is just i'm doing this so backwards i don't even know what i'm playing or why this scene is so famous but I've just seen people imitate it. You weren't jealous that your husband was schtupping her back. That's why you killed him. Oh, by the way, there will be the word schtupping in this. So kids, close your ears. Well, we've already said orgy. Yeah, well, one of us did. So schtupping is actually an upgrade. You, I can't believe you said that.

Yes, I did it. I killed Yvette. I hated her so much. It, it, the, it, flame, flames, flames on the side of my face. Breathing. breathing breaths

but while we were in the billiard room Miss Scarlet seized the opportunity I'm so glad I found the scene that pays off she is amazing just amazing yeah I'll wait a minute am I have I lost my completely lost my mind Andrew is she in Young Frankenstein you gotta tell me that I haven't seen Young Frankenstein in a long time I think that one kind of went over my head too honestly Yeah, yeah, she is in it. Okay, good. She's like Bride of Frankenstein. Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah, when you said that, that definitely rang a bell, sure. Okay. Well, it's been a great summer games, everyone. Thank you for spending the time with us. No, we actually have a game that we're going to play today involved. the history of madeline khan um you think people think stuff is just we're just talking we're just chatting we're cutting it up here no this is all part of a very very intentional conversation absolutely uh we're actually going to find out about the history of saint paul minnesota

now this is where the pressure's on me have we had a game yeah i think we have but like this is straight up you are quizzing me this is just a straight up uh it was listener susan who made this quiz yes yeah that's right susan sent this in i'm just on the hot seat here like it's not collaborative it's just you firing these at me and me and it's for it's like a dingus and it is

the last of the summer game so it's kind of for all the marbles in that if you do poorly the taste left in the brains of the listeners it's going to be one of like a really desultory desultory desultory did i even use that word right i'm gonna look that up i know vh1 used

to play desultory videos after 10 o'clock on friday do you remember the red shoe diaries no the actual the that was a show right who's literally called that well there was a show there was a sexy show called red shoe diaries but the vh1 had like hold on let me just look it up

by the way desultory i did i was using the word i was trying to use lacking a plan purpose or

enthusiasm um i can't find it here now because apparently the internet doesn't want to remember uh me coming of age in the 90s but there was some show that actually had sultry in the title and that's when i learned what the word sultry meant i think i was saying it wrong though desultory

oh there you go desultory rhymes with dusseldorf i don't know listen much much to learn and many questions that need to be asked during the break really of me and andrew as in why are we hosting this show exactly but once we do that and we figured it out we'll come back and we'll play this game that listener susan sent in about the history of saint paul there's some very interesting questions on here andrew i'm actually you know i could play this game with you because i have the questions and then the answers are on a separate page but you'd have to like kind of toggle back and forth and then hope that your eye doesn't oh you right i've i'm i'm holding a script that

does not have the answers and then there's an answer key but then what we'd have to we'd have to give them all the answers then find out all the answers at the end right because you'd have to trust yourself to look over to the answer key well i trust myself you don't trust you don't

trust myself i don't trust yourself i did it with the candlestick in the library um that was a clue

reference i got it i got it the one thing about the board game that i didn't since you asked that i didn't like too much with the the the pieces were a lot of the pieces were metal but the rope was a piece of white plastic and I felt like the game could have made the rope. Well, of course, on the other hand, you don't want it to be string. That wouldn't last very well. Maybe they thought a metal rope would be weird. It would have been more fun, though, if it was actually made of rope somehow.

It would be, I think, yeah. Okay, quick break, and then when we come back, we're going to get into this game because, of course, it is the TBTL Summer Game. So stay with us. Back in a moment. Alright, let's get into this game about the history of the home office or mother city of this show, St. Paul, Minnesota. It's really more the... Desultory. The daddy city, I like to think of it. The daddy city, that's right. Because now, Susan says the mother city of... Okay, she says the mother city of American Public Radio, which is very active. Yes. I would say that it is the home office now of TBTL in that that's where our bosses generally work, and that's where our paychecks come from. So it's sort of the home office. But, of course, Seattle is probably emotionally the home of TVTL, right? Sure. I mean, so –

And although, remember when we – and again, this was not criticism of you. It just shocked me to hear – well, shock is a – that's a strong word for this. I would like to back off of shock. It surprised me and gave me a funny feeling, I will say, when you and I were on the road trip two summers ago or springs ago or whatever when we were in the Delica van driving around doing shows in people's driveways you had met somebody and I overheard you describe TBTL as a Portland based podcast and I was like whoa that's so weird because I understood that you lived in Portland then but like I didn't obviously but that's fine it wasn't about like well oh Luke's taking precedent I mean it was just more about like I always think of TBTL as a Seattle thing you know like it was it was born on seattle radio because you moved back to seattle and needed to needed a job right i mean essentially right so it was funny to hear it being referred to as a portland show and you you said like well it's just easy in the moment because i'm from yeah i think that was why but you're right i think it i think that i think it is still a seattle show because that's been the well actually there was a period of time where you were in la and i was in port townsend but still basically yeah there's it's almost continuously had at least one of us living in seattle and most critically it's where it started and it's where we still have the most listeners and etc so i'm i'm happy to call it a seattle show the thing is though there are a lot of interesting facts about st paul minnesota listener susan has sent in this quiz and, Andrew, I'm now going to quiz you. Okay. Question number one, St. Paul, true or false? St. Paul was originally called Pig's Eye. True or false?

Would I be allowed to look at a map of Minnesota and see? Would you allow this? Can I call up a map of Minnesota so I can take a look at, like, what St. Paul just looks like? No, absolutely not. Really? Kind of strict there. I know, because first of all, it's going to take forever. Also, do you know what a pig's eye looks like? I don't. It's going to take forever to look at a map of Minnesota. I'm going to say that's a weird thing to start with to make up a fact. So I'm going to say that that is true. And I am going to say. All right.

So they write my friend. Drop to a hot start.

I didn't even need the map anyway.

It is, in fact, true. It was named after a fur trader who settled in the area and opened Pig's Eye Tavern. That's the only place, by the way, to get your pig's eyes in the early days of St. Paul. If you went anywhere else, you were just in the wrong spot. Before that, the Dakota people referred to it as Imnazaka for its white rock bluffs. So St. Paul, when the non-native folks showed up, they called it Pig's Eye because of the Pig's Eye Tavern. That's weird.

I wonder why it was called the Pig's Eye Tavern, though. Can we look that up? No, just kidding. Okay, I got one right.

Could you eat a Pig's Eye if you weren't drunk? I'm going to need about 20 pints of something strong before I get to the point where I'm ready to eat a Pig's Eye. All right, question number two. True or false, the world's first electric traffic light was put into place in St. Paul at the intersection of cleveland avenue south and ford parkway in 1914 wouldn't it be funny like

everything's true about that except for like one of the streets is slightly off and i get it wrong um again so much detail there um but maybe it could be one of those things where all of that is true except it's actually minneapolis or something um but no i'm gonna say that's true as well that's a true

fact you're gonna be kicking yourself because it's false check out what Susan did here that innovation the world's first electric traffic light actually belongs to wait for it Andrew the city of Cleveland this is for you on the corner of Euclid Avenue and East 105th Street

oh you know I wasn't listening closely and wait oh I see no she didn't say Euclid in the in the in the question right because I would have nope that would have perked my ears up I think

okay gotcha Cleveland Avenue and the Ford she was giving a little hint okay she was giving you a hint but in fact next time that this that you're more or less your birth town comes up or at least the place you mostly grew up you can say home of the first electric traffic light I can't tell you

exactly what the name because i did grow i was literally born in a suburb of cleveland but that is technically not cleveland but i can't tell you what that is because that's a security question for a lot of like websites if you forget your i think about that sometimes because i don't think that's like the one security question that i don't think i've ever said on the show before like people could be like okay first pet they could probably track that down i think mother's maiden name has been pretty well protected but like birth city and mother's maiden name are the only two things i have not mentioned on this show i think i meanwhile i never stopped talking about

my mother's maiden name which is kelly it's true but it's also not it's also not us it's not part of it i guess i guess the way that it's part of a security question would be if they needed you know it's not any of my passwords is what i'm trying to say but i also guess that like sometimes it's that auto-generated question you know that's like so i guess if someone was trying to hack into my system that might give them a little more intel although i feel like banks and another place have largely gone away from that now mother's maiden name because it's it was so overused as a as a verification question and it's also probably pretty easily gotten as info now it's like what kind of ice cream didn't you like as a kid that's literally what i have to do for my bank no really

literally oh because that's a good joke oh it's also it's also real what kind of ice cream did you not like as a kid What instrument could you play? What ice cream flavor did you not like?

Did you use that one? Because I want to talk about that. I can't tell you because then you'll be able to hack into my system. And now I haven't ever had that question, so I'll tell you.

Okay.

What's the one? Never mind. I can't even name it. Isn't there kind of a nutty one? Kind of a nutty flavor? Pistachio. Pistachio. I would maybe put that.

I don't think there's ever been a kid who likes pistachio ice cream. It actually might not be bad. I might even like it today. But when you're a kid and you're at Baskin Robbins or somewhere else and you're like, oh, my gosh, here are my choices. Rocky Road, something with chocolate and caramel and marshmallow in it. Strawberry, even just some of the old standbys, you know, chocolate, vanilla. These are all great. How about the one that's a weird color and named after a nut? Yeah, right.

Oh, you know what, though? That's not what I was thinking of. I just looked up a list of America's least popular ice creams, by the way. Butter pecan is what I was thinking. That was probably my least favorite. Because I don't know that I was ever confronted with pistachio much But butter pecan Like it had a weird texture It had chunks in there of pecans I think No thank you I'm still not a pecan guy to this day

See I love pecans but not an ice cream How about this question Andrew True or false In September Now this is This has got to be a typo Let me cross reference this Okay In September 1976 jesse james and his gang rode into saint paul intending to rob the first national bank god what a scene that would have been in 1976 the year of my birth in 1976 i think this must this is probably supposed to read 1876 right yeah the teller resisted and when the robbery was discovered local citizens armed themselves when it was all over the teller was killed because he refused to open the vault but the resistance resulted and significant losses for the Jesse James gang. Two robbers dead, two badly wounded, and two captured. True or false, this happened, again, I'm going to say in 1876 in St. Paul.

So is all of that information right, that it's St. Paul and the date is right? Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. Yeah.

The date is not the thing. Okay, that's good to know, because I was going to say false

based on maybe he was 1866.

That's not an intentional typo to trick you up.

So all of this clearly happened somewhere. The question is, was this St. Paul? I'm going to say no. This was not St. Paul. You are going to be so right, my friend. It seemed a little too far east for that kind of shenanigans. It happened in Northfield, though. It did happen in Minnesota.

Oh, okay. I should have shut up. In fact, Northfield, Minnesota now hosts Jesse James Days every September, and volunteers perform reenactments of the heroic resistance at the site of the downtown bank.

Can I tell you something funny? And then I'll close this tab. But I was on this Newsweek article, the least popular ice cream flavors in the U.S., and they just kind of list them. And it looks like it's actually even based on some actual polling. It looks like the numbers, whatever. But then there are two comments. One of them is just irrelevant. But the first comment on this article is from somebody who goes by Tom Pork, and the comment is merely, these aren't the least popular. That's it. That was like, not like, I believe this one should be on the list, or I'm surprised. It's just Tom Pork, T-H-O-M-P-O-R-K, just commented on the Newsweek article listing the least popular ice cream flavors in the U.S. Posted last year in August by Poppy Kodronka. Oh, I'm sorry. My eyes are so bad. Karanka, I should say. And somebody just wanted to comment. It would be great if their name was James Smith. I know. My eyes really are bad. I couldn't make up those letters. No, that's an unusual name. But just somebody wanted to say, these aren't the least popular. That's it. That's the state of the comment. Okay, I've closed that tab.

That reminds me of when, remember I did that TV commentary that was about like, hey, it should be okay to sit in bed and work during the pandemic, and we shouldn't feel bad about it or whatever. And so then, of course, CBS Sunday Morning has a whole social media thing that I have nothing to do with where someone tweeted out that commentary from the CBS account and said, sitting desks or the new standing desks or something and then just the first comment below was just from this random lady no they're not no other clarification

just no they're not is she Tom Pork? I mean that would be amazing just go around and just this just like whatever whatever the thesis of any article is just say no you know the president said this today no he didn't it was a kind of

an amazing burn all right Here's another one. The Capitol, by the way, just so you have two correct and one wrong. Oh, okay.

You're in the positive.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to put right and wrong. There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to answer these questions, Andrew. Yeah, there is. Okay, so here's your next one. The state capital of Minnesota is located in St. Paul. True or false?

The state capital? Yeah, that's true. Absolutely true. It's expected that one to be a little bit more difficult.

well when you know your st paul stuff everything's the game slows down and yeah i really know like i've been guessing on all of these but because i well because where we work is down the street from the state capitol you could like see the state capitol from 7th and cedar well you were

you on live wire when i saw you um do live wire in st paul i know you had the mayors of each city

uh oh yeah that was that was fun i believe and what was the bit so it was the it was the mayor of minneapolis and the mayor of saint paul and we had them doing a contest but it was like to win the thing that we had them playing for was somehow also part of the joke and it was pretty funny it was like a cd but it was from anyway but yes that is it is the state capital and it's it's it technically it's across the freeway but if you were to walk if you were to come out of the building that you know whatever the main offices of of american public media are and take a right and go across the freeway you would walk directly into the state capital of minnesota okay see i don't think i

realized that but yeah saint paul i had a that question sort of gave me that panic because if you just asked me i'd be like oh yeah saint paul's the capital but then suddenly i felt the pressure i felt like if i got that one wrong i would have been that would have been an embarrassing one to

get wrong well you didn't get it wrong so you don't need to feel embarrassed okay now you've got three correct only one wrong question number five rice park in downtown saint paul is older than central park in new york city do you mind you'll say no to this one again too do you mind

if i just quickly google when each of those parks were created which one is shaped like a pig's eye um i am going to say that is a let's see i know it was like that was part of the olmsted thing

right like famously i was just i swear to god andrew i'll let you i'll let you make your guess and then i will give you my tight two minutes on olmsted yeah did you read devil in a white city

that's kind of when i kind of started to pay attention to the all the olmsted parks you know I grew up that was in Chicago right yes that was yeah yeah that guy who was killing the people yeah that was throwing them down the chutes where that book takes place yeah but it was also very much about the world's fair and Olmstead's involvement of creating that I grew up in a in a town called North Olmstead that's not the suburb I was born in though so stop trying to hack me but I spent my high school years Olmstead with a zero okay I'm using okay sorry i'm clearly stalling here because i really want to get this right and i am going

to say that that is false now the thing i would say andrew is that's the i don't know if susan i'm guessing that susan is from st paul listener susan or at least spent time there because it's an interesting specific place for her to have put the quiz together that to me seems like the kind of thing where you tell people that like it's a topic of conversation because it's in fact true right like the claim to fame is oh oh rice park it's older than central park that would be my guess but i haven't actually looked at the correct answer yet so i don't know oh you don't know okay

yeah i just had the yeah you're right like it sort of feels like oh it's counterintuitive um so therefore it would be true but i'm thinking but some of these got to be false so i'm just

gonna say false false uh rice park in downtown st paul's order than st hold on oh it is in fact true uh rice park was founded in 1849 central park 1859 so a decade before central park you had rice park now just the quick thing on the olmstead yeah like when i was younger and i visited new york city for the first time i walked around central park and i read all the plaques and signs about the olmstead brothers and then eventually i moved to brooklyn years and years later and then there's prospect park which was also designed by the olmsteads and the the claim to fame there is the olmsteads felt like prospect park was the one they got right oh interesting then then i was in seattle somewhere capitol hill i think i'm walking around volunteer park and i

see a sign it's like designed by the olmsteads well there are a lot of olmsteads though right and they're not all the Olmstead. There was other Olmsteads designing parks that were not the two brothers that were like... I think they had like... I could be wrong about this. So it's Frederick Law Olmstead is like the king Olmstead, right? And I thought that when you look at all these Olmstead parks around the country, it's because there were...

And again, I could be totally wrong about this, Luke, but I thought it was because there were like cousins and lesser brothers involved. But I could lesser brothers. That's a real jerky way of putting that. But you know what I mean? Like you think of Frederick Law Olmstead is like, you know, the OG, but you have a bunch of other Olmsteads. I see. OK, I thought I could land.

Yeah, because let's see here with the reporting of measures Olmstead brothers, landscape architects, outlining a city of parkways and boulevards for the city of portland i'm literally looking at this 1903 report it's kind of funny i didn't mean to get that deep into it but that was what i noticed when i got to portland was everything in portland is olmsted as well now i know what you're saying like there was like i'm now the internet is confirming what you said which is frederick law olmsted the main dude he is responsible for eight famous parks central park prospect park the emerald necklace in boston builtmore estate in ashville north carolina mount royal in montreal canada and the grounds of the u.s capital and white house that's all like the guy but then i think it's fascinating if like this became a family business where he had like third cousins that were like yeah i'm also an olmstead should i set up your park in sacramento like what is what a strange thing to have spread through my it looks like it might be

the multi-generational though let me just read this one line i got here in the middle of a wikipedia article called list of olmstead works after retirement of frederick law olmstead senior in 1895 the firm was then manager managed by john charles olmstead and frederick law jr as Olmsted and Olmsted and then Elliot and there was an Elliot in there as well so it sounds like it's kind of multi-generational as well

right that would make a lot of sense because what I ended up realizing was there are very few cities in America that don't have an Olmsted Park and I was like how could this one guy have been and then I just thought well he might just be you know maybe they franchised it maybe you could just buy the like rights to call yourself an olmstead and then just like build a park somewhere because i couldn't believe how many there once you start looking for them yeah and then the fact that so much of portland is olmsteaded out just

always been interesting elliot is not an olmstead by the way i was reading that too quickly as charles elliot was one of the partners there for for the olmstead heads who just threw their phones how big do you think we are with the olmstead heads of the world yeah there's i believe that Knowing our audience, which tends to be pretty smart, I'll bet you there are at least a handful of people out there who know way more about this than we do, who are probably a little frustrated right now. But that's okay. We're going to come back to being frustrated over another thing, which is my inability to pass this quiz.

Well, actually, no, you're doing okay right now. You've got three right and two wrong, so you're still in the positive. Next question, in the 1920s and 1930s, St. Paul was known as Crookshaven because corrupt politicians and police turned a blind eye to gangster activities, including smuggling, racketeering, and gambling. Three of my favorite gangster activities, Andrew, and even provided tip-offs about FBI raids, all in an effort to keep crime low in St. Paul.

When people start asking me what I do for a living I'm going to say I'm a racketeer What does that mean? Does that involve embezzlement?

Well, here's the thing RICO charges are racketeering charges Usually, I think racketeering is a catch-all for You are an incredibly important element In a larger criminal organization Whereas you're not just the guy Who's like unloading the illegal hooch You're the guy Or you're seen as the person who's essential to all of these different operations, and therefore we can charge you with a much larger set of crimes and more prison time under racketeering charges than just you smuggled in some booze during the prohibition or whatever.

It looks like the original definition was specifically about money being extorted from a victim by threat or force, and so that's why you think about that with the mob a lot, like protection, quote-unquote protection money. But it looks like federal crimes of racketeering now include bribery, gambling offenses money laundering obstructing justice of a criminal uh investigation or murder for hire so anyway maybe i shouldn't be a racketeer i probably don't have the i probably don't have the uh constitution for that uh i'm gonna say that this is false i think this is another city and um this is apparently very true for me this was known as the layover now listen

i actually think we should set this question to the side andrew because i think the way that i read it was a little confusing okay so i think a little bit of this is on me so this was called a crooks haven because basically the politicians and police were letting crooks

hang out there and and not arresting them as long as they didn't do any crimes there i think that's the nature of the question i don't think i presented in a very clear way it is true apparently this is known as the layover agreement because criminals were protected when they laid over in saint paul if a crime was committed in minneapolis or des moines once the perpetrator got to saint paul they were untouchable john dillinger ma barker and sons machine gun kelly and baby face kelly all spent time in St. Paul after

robberies. Now was it, you know my problem was there, I always pronounced it Crook-shaven. I didn't realize it was Crook-shaven. Oh, you've got to be

careful where that S goes. There's a place. By the way, we'd like to welcome new sponsor Crook-shaven. Are you paying too much

for your razors? I, uh, there's a, um, I guess it's a van, I assume they sell vans, they don't rent them, um, on Aurora, a place called van karma but they their logo they jam it together do you know this and every time i pass i say out loud to myself vanc arma you want to go to vanc arma and that's a joke only for myself and now you i guess because i've never shared and the five people still listen exactly uh let's see

here i am okay you know each year at the minnesota state fair i'm sorry now here's the thing three right three wrong so we're is this it is this is this gonna be there are many more questions i'm I'm going to have to pick the last three or four promising ones. Oh, easy. Definitely I have to get to question 15. Okay. Okay. Each year at the Minnesota State Fair, a.k.a. the Great Minnesota Get-Together, a new princess of the Milky Way is selected to promote Minnesota winter activities. Part of her duties is to pose for several hours as a block of ice is carved into a head with her likenesses. Is this true or false?

My man, that is so false because they are getting it twisted. That is the butter princess we are talking about, not ice. You are absolutely right. Who do you think you are? I am. Do you know about that?

I love that you know about that guy. Did I get it right?

I am so obsessed with that bowler. Yeah, that's from like 20 years ago, isn't it?

I only saw it like six months ago. Oh, really? And I can't stop thinking about it.

Wait, did I bring it up on the show? Because I was telling somebody about that recently, too.

I don't remember you bringing it up on the show, but, of course, there's a lot that I forget.

What do you think you are? I am. Yeah, it's a classic moment. Who do you think you are? I am. Classic moment in bowling history and anger history. It's right up there with you bleed for me. Yeah. It's great.

It's just, like, nonsensical. It also just helps that it's bowling and that it's, like, you know, it's not, like, the guy didn't just, like, you know, run a kickback for a touchdown in the Super Bowl or something. I mean, granted, he's doing a thing I couldn't do either. that's really hard to do it's challenging in its own way but his level of adrenalization versus what we've just witnessed happening and then he's also just like being mad even though everyone's just clapping but he's like the way that his emotions are are channeling is into

anger at that point because his name is pete weber and um this is in a bowling competition of you know some import i guess um and uh you know i think there is a story behind this has been like I think he's just kind of like he sees himself as like the bad boy of bowling at this time anyway. But also, like, I think that he was like kind of getting into some passive aggressive stuff with the people he was competing against or maybe one bowler in particular. So take a listen to this. Strike to claim it. A strike to claim it. And he got it.

I did it, Jeff. That is why I did it. That's number five.

Are you kidding me? That's right. Who do you think you are? I am. it's so good who do you think you are i am oh god and he's wearing sunglasses when he when he throws the rock but at some point during the screaming rampage he loses the glasses that was in 2012 oh i said i said 20 years ago it's 10 years no no but i'm just i'm just trying

to orient it because you know what's weird for me is i knew about pete webber as a bowler as a kid because every once in a while when you turned on sports on like saturday i mean this is of course in the era of like three channels this is pre espn and also i didn't have cable and uh my friend peter williams didn't have cable of the willworths i think you remember the story yes but um so every once in a while like the best would be if you turn on the tv on a saturday to watch some sports and there was like a cool nba game on or even an exciting you know basketball or football game then sometimes it'd be wide world of sports which would be okay maybe some ski jumping the lowest level of sports on a sport that on a saturday would actually give me a sad feeling in my stomach during the summertime because it would be kind of in the

doldrums of the summertime when they're kind of like football hadn't really started and baseball didn't mean anything yet and the NBA is not happening and you turn on the TV and you put it on the channel hoping to watch exciting sports and it's bowling and it would just give me like a very very sad feeling as a kid I didn't grow up nice I didn't grow up in a

sports household but I did grow up in a household where my mom loved bowling and she was often on bowling leagues i was in one with her we won a giant trophy we came in first place in the mother-son uh bowling tournament and bowling was always on the tv and to me it's the complete opposite it's a very comforting feeling i love if i ever owned a bar well first of all i would hope it was part of a bowling alley but assuming that i owned a bar that was not part of a bowling alley i would i would try to have bowling on tv even just like archives of bowling matches i think

it's a great thing to have on on tvs in a bar i love the sound yes you could even leave the sound up i love the sound of it and i don't find bowling itself to be depressing and i don't even find if it were a like cold winter night and i was in milwaukee and i was at a bar and they were showing bowling i wouldn't that wouldn't make me sad it was this specific thing of being like 11 years old It's warm outside So why was I not outside playing Who knows But it was something about The extreme difference between The beautiful weather outside And then this sort of like Slightly hushed tones of It's not quite golf but it's still pretty close In terms of the announcing And it felt far away and I didn't know who the people were And it was dark in the bowling alley But what's funny is Through that I knew there was a guy named Pete Weber Who was the best bowler in the world If you would have asked 11-year-old Luke Burbank, who's the best bowler, I think it's this guy, Pete Weber, because sometimes I turn on the TV and it's on bowling and I'm very sad, but I'm noting that it's this guy, Pete Weber. So it's very funny that he's the who do you think you are, I am guy.

Yeah, it's like it's so nice outside, yet all these people are inside, probably at that time, smoky room with a drop ceiling and fluorescent lights. Like, why? Something about that drop ceiling. There's something about that drop ceiling, isn't there?

Okay. Two more, Andrew. And by the way, you've pulled back into winning position. You have one, two, three, four, five correct, and three wrong. That doesn't make sense. No, you've been on a hot streak. Oh, wait. Sorry, you got crook-shaven wrong. I did. Yeah, I got crook-shaven wrong, exactly. So you're actually like one, two, three, four right, and one, two, three wrong. Okay, perfect. That makes sense. So you're doing okay. Just don't get these last two wrong And then you are victorious And then you can scream into the microphone Who do you think you are? I am

Which I think is what got us here Because I did just scream that

Comedian and actor Jim Belushi This is true or false Comedian and actor Jim Belushi is part owner And team psychologist Of the minor league baseball team The St. Paul Saints

Obviously there's that connection there because it wasn't there was oh no no bill murray did bill murray have a connection to that one or am i can no i'm yeah he does okay so you obviously have the connection there um so you know what yeah and team psychology yeah i'm gonna say yes that's true wait jame jim belushi you're saying jim belushi is part owner and team psychologist oh no i see what they're doing there i see okay i you we kind of cheated there i'll cut all that part out and i'll just bring it here like

Who do you think you are? I am.

Exactly. You're right. It's false. Right. I'll take that because I did say the factual statement. You did.

You said you pulled Bill Murray completely out. You knew that Bill Murray had an association with that team.

And I kind of blanked out on the ownership thing there. So I was thinking maybe Bill Murray hires him as a joke to be this team psychiatrist or something like that. But I see. No, it was all Bill Murray all along.

It's all Bill Murray all the time.

Let's just like – I'll tell you what. Let's call that one a wash. I don't want to take the point for that, but I don't want to take a demerit for it.

Well, the good news, Andrew, is much like a – let's imagine if you were a pitcher and you pitched seven innings and it was – well, let's put it this way. If you were a pitcher – who's pitching for the Mariners? Who's the pitchers in these games? Let's say you were a pitcher. You just closed out the seventh inning and you're leading by one, which means you cannot lose the game. you can win it or you can get a no decision but you cannot lose the game right now you cannot lose this game can I ice my arm up afterwards absolutely

use one of those weird

bow and arrow things with no string on it that the guys are all using down in the bullpen you ever seen that move now it's like a javelin I think Logan Gilbert does one of those I've seen the rubber bands

where they're just like pulling on the rubber bands there's this like wiggly stick

I think Logan Thank you. Gilbert's big on the wiggly. It's okay. One, two, three, four, five, correct, two, one, two, three, wrong. Oh, yeah, you're fine. This is honestly, you can get this wrong, and you're still going to win. No, no, no, because we're not counting that last one, right? It's still a four, three. Got it. Okay, well, then the pressure's back on. Okay, question number 15. On American Public Media's website, TBTL is listed in the section news and investigative journalism. True or false?

where where on the website or on the on american public media's website so that's interesting i'll bet you we appear in different places i'll bet you on the website for apm studios which is the podcast division i don't think we would be there i know we are not there but the question is is the does the parent company have some part of their website where we genius question we just got swept up with like in the dark in like 2016 or something i'm gonna say this is true because that's amazing i wish i kind of wish it was true god damn okay because we're like what is what does our department put us in we're in like lifestyle personality and lifestyle personality and lifestyle i'm the personality you're the lifestyle but it is being luke is a

whole lifestyle and it is that much but um susan says in my opinion it should be listed under news and investigative journalism because not only are opinions presented as facts but real-time investigative work is done on the world wide web sometimes right in the middle of a story exactly

and don't forget i did some journalism at uh subway not all that long ago yes you did

um so okay well i guess it was a tie i guess it was a tie no decision i feel like i feel you should get a quarter of a point for bill murray and a quarter of a point for the final one putting you over the top why would i get a quarter point for the final one because the listener susan thinks that we should be listed under under news and investigative journalism so in a way that the

that answer that you gave was correct is this what codependency looks like or what not codependency What's the other word that's used when you're enabling? This is what enabling looks like, I think. It sure does. Thank you, baby.

All right. Let's thank some daily donors who are making TBTL possible. I hopefully enjoyed these summer games, which are now drawing to a close. We have to release some doves, I think, and bring all of the competitors back together for a celebration. Don't we have to go get the doves and bring them back?

I thought we released the doves at the beginning. Yeah, the catching of the doves is really the hard part.

I made a mistake where I kept one in my jacket for too long. Oh, no. Yeah, now it's not doing great. It's not doing great. Let's thank Sierra Barsati of Chico, California.

Thanks, Sierra. I got a homemade postcard from Sierra a few weeks ago. I showed it off on the Hey Dummies video.

Was it in the box?

It was in the box. She made it.

It was a thing that was in the box.

Because I guess Chico, I'm sorry, we should get out of here. But Chico is the, I guess, where Sierra Nevada beer is made. And so she made a handwritten, beautifully handwritten postcard out of a Sierra Nevada box. Cool. And we are saying her name right, because it wasn't until the Hey Dummies video that I realized I was saying Sierra and Sierra Nevada at the same time, even though the spelling is very different.

I'm going with Sierra, but it could be Sierra or Sierra. Let us know. It looks like Sierra to me. Yeah, I think you're right. Sarah, this looks exactly like Sarah to me. Sarah Hernandez is here in Portland, Oregon. Beautiful city. And is donating. Thank you, Sarah. Jennifer Healy is over in Sisters, Oregon. Oh. That's a really beautiful part of the world I've driven through Sisters, Oregon On my way to Lake Billy Chinook Which also sounds like a movie Bill Murray would have been in You mean Dan Aykroyd Or possibly Jim Belushi

Jim Belushi was the joke I was trying to make God damn it, I just lost another point Now I lost How did you snatch defeat in the jaws of Victor? I was trying so hard

Toby Taylor McPhail is in Denver, Colorado where since we, Andrew, I feel like since we went there for the TBTL-a-thon, well, certainly I've had two layovers in Denver. Have I had another one I forgot about? I feel like I cannot stay out of Denver, Colorado. I know. Since we went through there. It's a magnetic town. Sure is. Thanks, Toby, for the support. Kathleen Vandlick is in Naperville, Illinois. It feels like a place There's somebody especially famous from being from Naperville, Illinois. Yeah. And is that just outside of Chicago, too? I feel like I know Naperville, but I don't know why. How about this? I'll thank our next donor. And will you Google, other than Kathleen, who's obviously the most famous person from Naperville, who else is from Naperville of note? Why would I know that name just looks familiar, the name of that place? The last person we're going to thank today is Harrison Bell in Burke, Virginia. Thanks, Harrison. Is Harrison the one that worked with the Voyager? I feel like Harrison, I could be confusing with someone else who's out there in the greater D.C. area. But remember we had somebody who knew about the whereabouts of, or at least some of the original materials from that record that we sent into space with the Voyager that's supposed to tell other civilizations what we're all about? Right, right, right. I think that might have been Harrison But anyway, Harrison, regardless If that's you or if that's someone else Thank you for supporting the show What have you heard about Naperville?

Well, unfortunately, I found a too-inclusive list That has hundreds of names written in here Can you be too-inclusive? That's a good question But the Odenkirks are from there Bob Odenkirk and his brother Bill That might have been it Because he does talk about that from time to time That stands out to me

I think that is I think that's what I'm thinking of Because he put out a book recently Bob Odenkirk did And he was doing tons of interviews. And I really do think that came up like on Stern or something. I could see that.

That's probably it. Because, yeah, that's the one that stands out to me here on this list. So, all right. Good job.

Go with Paula Zahn, newscaster and television personality.

You know, that name rings a bell to me, but I can't picture Paula Zahn.

She was a big deal when I was a kid. Paula Zahn was like, I think she might have been on like 2020 or Dateline or something.

ABC, CBS, Fox, CNN All of them, all the different ways She's done it all And we've done it all, Andrew

Which is why we need to now call it a week And call it good on these TBTL Summer Games Really and truly, thank you Everyone who took the time to generate These really fun, interesting games And pull audio and record audio And find facts and send them all in This was, I'm with you, Andrew I think this was probably our most fun Summer Games session

Yeah, and I'm glad even today, I'm glad we were able to go the distance here today with kind of a normal length show almost. So, all right, everybody, thank you so much. Again, I just want to remind everybody that here on the final day of the Summer Games, if you do all the tallying, I won. Yes.

Ask no follow-up questions. I consider this a layover state. If you've lost playing trivia games somewhere else, you are protected here on TPTL. We will call you a winner. Fantastic. No matter what. All right. We'll see you all on Monday. We'll be back here with, you know, kind of the typical TBTL stuff once again.

You're back, baby. Get ready for that drop. We're going to hear that on Monday.

I'm back, baby. Yes. So we'll see you then. Until then, have a great weekend. Stay safe. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. the most important thing to remember about the Minnesota long goodbye is to start early hours before you climb in the car and drive down the road toward home power out