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Good evening, and welcome to the pre-taped call-in show, where we tape all our shows a week in advance. I'm your host, Ken Doral, and let's try it again. It's really not that hard, okay? Our topic, once again, is the elderly. We're taping it now, and it airs next week, okay? So, if you're watching me talk about the elderly, don't call to talk about it. It's too late. Instead, call about cooking, which is next week's topic. Okay? If you wanted to talk about the elderly, you should have called last week when our pet care show was airing, but we were taping the elderly show. Hello.

Hi, Ken. Great show.

Thank you. What can I do for you?

Uh, my dog has a disobedience problem

Okay, okay There you go Look, if you wanted to talk about pet care You should have called two weeks ago When our show on racism was airing Okay, I'm doing a show about the elderly Right now Which of course, to you people watching means Call in about cooking

TBTL I just noticed something that In one of your interviews with John Candy, I believe, it looked like an older interview, you had less hair than you have today. How do you explain that?

I don't wear a wig, sir.

Paint your bald spot?

What bald spot?

You paint your bald spot. Why are you wearing a tux?

It's after six. What am I, a farmer? I was listening to your program on my car radio.

Oh, what do you think so far?

I'm a fan of yours. A really big fan. Hey, guys. You ready to let the dogs out? What? Do what? Let the dogs out. You know, like, ooh, let the dogs out, ooh, ooh. I'm sick.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Thursday edition of TBTL.

We're still in the mix, baby.

The show that just might be too beautiful to live. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

So guess who's got two thumbs and just ordered pizza? This guy.

Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon. I'm back, baby! Happy to be back in the comfortable confines of this particular broadcast center, which also seems to be suiting the cat properly. She's asleep at my feet. She has yet to destroy any of the broadcast equipment. It is looking like it's going to be an auspicious program here as we arrive at episode 3,767 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Yesterday's episode, we meant to talk about Jerry Seinfeld's recent career as a model.

I feel cute today. Look at my outfit.

But we ran out of time, so we will talk about that today. Also, a judge has ruled in the case of the kid who is naked. He's not a kid anymore. Now he's an adult. But the naked baby on the cover of the Nirvana Nevermind album. He sued Dave Grohl, the estate of Kurt Cobain, the photographer, the record label.

It's literally illegal.

And a judge has weighed in on the case. We will talk about that, too. Plus, because it's a Thursday, a.k.a. Blur's Day, we'll do some Blur's Day messages, all with the help of this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

I'll say, what's up, dog?

He is Andrew Welsh, and he's joining me right now.

Hello, my friend. Hey, man. played that drop about pizza in the intro it is astounding to me for as much as we've talked about pizza on the show this week that i have not ordered a pizza for dinner yet this week between the donato's chat yep in fact as as you were just ramping up to introduce the show i got a note here via slack from listener garrison who says in the conversation about pizza in yesterday's show So if you order the thin crust Domino's pizza pie, he just calls it a pie. I added the word pizza there. I like that. That's a certain kind of person who can just comfortably call a pizza a pie. I'm not there, but I respect Garrison. I admire that. But anyway, he says they're going to cut it into square cuts for you. So there is something about the thin crust square cuts that I guess is the tavern style pizza. And I'm really starting to think that I will be the guy with two thumbs who ordered a pizza tonight. What's that from, by the way?

So guess who's got two thumbs and just ordered pizza? This guy.

Hey, that is a dude who I think is kind of a YouTuber, but somebody has taken, it goes under the handle King Cobra, and let's just say he's got a lot of crazy ideas out there, but somebody has taken some of his more memorable quotes and...

uh slapped them onto tick tock and i must have just allowed one of them to run you know a little too long one time because now i get a steady diet of that and then for some reason andrew sorority young young women in sororities presumably in the south doing these incredibly involved group dances that involve the entire sorority and i was explaining this to becca the other day and she just kind of looked at me like well what are you exactly i said you must be getting these bam a rush tiktoks right she goes absolutely not wait a second though hold on because

i do realize that it could be you know the algorithm could be outing you as a bit of a perv here but you know what genevieve who is notoriously not right online was uh telling me and some other people to party recently that even this this bam a rush stuff has even cracked her online consciousness like it's a it's a thing now i haven't seen any of this but i'm not on tiktok i don't know where genevieve's seeing it but it really is a thing and if if becca thinks that you're kind of wilding out uh i can assure her that this really is a thing thank you would

you mind calling her really quick i will do you have that number at a work event but over the air definitely worth um taking a break from that for yeah i i will say that my tiktok algorithm really does deliver me a lot of people dancing which tends to be women that's who's doing the majority of the dancing at least that i've seen anecdotally it's i'm not i have to say it's not i don't feel that i'm especially drawn to that it's not something that is um i'm i'm looking for or i'm trying to uh i'm not i'm doing very minimal leering in fact if i'm on an airplane and i've splashed out for the Wi-Fi, and I'm looking at TikTok on my phone, which is really the best way to use your $8 of Wi-Fi if you're on a plane instead of work, is to look at TikTok. And it's anything that's even remotely kind of looks weird on my phone, you know, presuming there's somebody sitting next to me. I am like, I am swiping, you know, whatever the direction is to try to get that off my phone because I don't want to look kind of like, you know, like, as you said, a perv. So if anything, I should be getting less of this than the average person. I feel like I get more of it, and I'm not exactly sure why.

Yeah, you've got to aggressively start, like, clicking on other things. I remember I wanted to purge something. I don't think it was indelicate. I think when I was on TikTok, and again, I'm not trying to make it sound like I spent a lot of time there, but I don't know, maybe a year or two ago I was spending more time there. It was, like, something that I would actively open from time to time. and I wanted to purge something that I was just like it wasn't it wasn't inappropriate and it wasn't gross it was just like I don't know there was something about I don't know I can't explain there's something about Instagram I'm sorry there's something about um TikTok that sort of gives me the old YouTube feeling of like you're scrolling scrolling scrolling you start to get like kind of an empty feeling which is probably why I'm not on it anymore I never kind of really it just it was too much of that but anyway I remember actively saying I don't want this anymore and I chose something and i just started like clicking on those i'm like i'll just click on these things all the time and then my my algorithm like it wasn't even something i was super into i just wanted to purge away from something else and i just actively changed what it was feeding me by eating other things if that makes sense just a pac-man of yes moderating your algorithm yeah i

yeah for a long time pretty much all i was clicking on and watching now my big thing is people building their own swimming pools oh yeah you've mentioned that now there's the pool guy so he's like a guy who cleans swimming pools but the next level of that is people who've just decided they're going to build their own swimming pool in their yard they're going to dig a hole they're going to fill it with typically cinder blocks and then they're going to actually make a swimming pool and those are very gratifying uh although sometimes they're like 20 parts long and i'm like currently waiting on two guys to put in the electrical on their swimming pools i'm dying for one guy's british i love it and i'm really i wish i could send him an email i could probably message him in tiktok uh but he would be like huh user seven four three two seven three is asking me to please speed it up with the videos but i really would like to see the rest of that pool um and then there's another guy that just did one i think he's like in texas or something is very impressive so like that's the kind of stuff that i'm really into and people that are doing home renovation and then people just fighting each other on the streets that's the

other thing i'm oh none of which seems like it should be giving me bam a rush every now and then i'll see something on reddit it's weird i actually spend a little bit more time on reddit um again not something i'm proud of i'm not putting that on my resume um but uh i do need to update my resume Anyway, um... Wait, do you know something? Huh. Oh, yeah. No, no. I thought you were making plans. I thought you were making moves. I saw you've been in touch with Nora a lot lately. I figured maybe I should start packing my bags.

Well, that's mainly who I follow also on TikTok. I feel like our friend Nora McInerney, who, if I can, just take a moment. This will make Andrew mad. If I can take a quick moment to plug my other job, Livewire Radio, we're going to be doing the show in Seattle at Town Hall in, I think, November, and Nora McInerney is going to be there. But it's, I have to say, she comes up on my TikTok feed and it feels like I'm watching a celebrity. Yeah, well, she is a celebrity. Well, she is a celebrity, but she's also our friend. It's just weird because I, and this, you're exactly right. There is an empty feeling to scrolling TikTok. I'm sure that on the days when I am looking at a lot of TikTok, there's probably something emotionally that I'm not wanting to deal with. Or there's some sense of like soothing, but it's illusory, right? It's like it feels like I'm soothing something, but then I don't feel great later. But for all that scrolling, it's never anyone that I know. And then if it's Nora or our friend Jen, formerly known as Uber Jen, I follow I think I must follow both of them on TikTok or just have noticed their videos. And when I see either one of them on there, I feel I feel starstruck.

Yes, I will. sometimes you know i do follow a couple of tens and maybe like a a friend who makes art a good friend of mine from college who makes art down in texas now and so i do have a couple of those i didn't make one so i i'm sorry luke i'm distracted here what's going on this whole time i've been googling around you mentioned king cobra and i was and you said that people are making highlight reels and i was trying to figure out what the deal is with him and so there's a lot of toxicity it seems like um surrounding old king cobra aka joshua saunders been a youtuber for quite some time since um it looks like uh 2012 has been a victim of a swatting when somebody pretends to be him but um so i wasn't when you mentioned that people are doing like highlight reels so he's kind of people are kind of dunking on him huh he seems like his his origin story is

getting a bit i think he's well i mean he has some here's the thing i everything you're saying to me is is is new information because i've never been to the guy's youtube page i just would see little clips of him holding forth and it seems to me he's got a pretty uh distinct personality he's often looking for love online he's he he has this quirky way of always saying of age women i on an of age woman he's really clear about that he's often sort of sitting in this kind of grungy chair drinking a beer speculating on the of age women that might have been checking him out when he was doing karaoke or why can't he find any of age women so it's definitely like there's a reason i didn't really dig much further because i felt like there was i just thought it was a funny piece

of tape yeah no no and i'm not i'm dude there's nothing i think it's the second time i've called you dude today who am i i like it dude uh no i don't i'm not trying maybe you want me to just close this tab because i'm not looking for a reason for you not to play that piece of tape it's just that this is such a world like i'm on some sort of youtube fandom wiki page here wiki tubia it looks like it's called which actually i like saying that that's fun um but um you know it gives the background he started like literally in his father's basement this photo of him here He looks kind of like a kind of a kind of a gothy kind of a trashy gothy kind of look, if it's OK for me to say that. I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad. I don't think he's going to hear this. But, you know, he seems to be like he's got a following. I can tell you a lot about his life now. He started dating somebody but broke up with her, it looks like, maybe in 2018. But he seems to also rankle a lot of people. I'm not exactly sure why, but there's a lot of stuff, again, on Reddit, which is definitely the more toxic of these types of social media platforms. And it looks like, you know, there's a lot of people who are for some reason, like, again, somebody pretended to be him, called the police, said that he was doing some awful things and the SWAT team came to his house. So he's definitely he's a real character. But the way you describe it, I kind of want to watch some of his videos. But then I read this and I just wonder, like, will I be sucked into a dark world that I do not belong in?

Well, again, the tick tock kind of is filtered it for me because I'm not in there. No. Actually, there probably are comments, but I don't I don't I've never looked at a tick tock comment in my life. so it's kind of like what i would just get would be these like 20 second kind of like funny or outrageous things that this guy is saying now my guess would be and i haven't you now know more about this situation than i do but here would be my guess this was a person who was putting themselves on youtube and who was initially and maybe to this day sort of not totally realizing how they're coming off.

off and then a bunch of people flocked to that uh you know to this person's content kind of probably with the joke being on the person making the content yeah but then the attention becomes something that the person making the content even if it's negative attention kind of uh is interested in there's another case that actually is i guess we're just going to talk about this now again i don't know why bam a rush and people who may not be fully on the joke that's my algorithm uh-huh sometimes that's the same people sometimes the people in bama rush may not be fully in on the job but like there's this there's a a guy whose name is daniel larson and he uh appears to be in his video somebody who's dealing with mental illness i believe and i've never like i don't follow anything from him i don't know why it would show up in my feed but i have to be honest with you it became intriguing to me only because this is a person again who's clearly dealing with or appears to be dealing with some mental health stuff but would have these videos with like thousands of views and also tons of accounts that were created with basically in like tribute accounts and i ended up having to google the guy to just try to figure out what is going on why is this person just staring into their cell phone making claims that seem pretty provably not true why are there like 50 or 60 tiktok accounts that people have set up uh using his name and and repurposing his stuff it's very strange and and again probably not super great some of the stuff that takes off uh i think often in reddit and then burbles up into places like

tiktok yeah and then like you say probably also tiktok generally i mean i know that all of these things are a little bit choose your own adventure right like um like i say reddit can be a pretty nasty place but also there are there's some really cool stuff on there too obviously um but i by the way i'm looking at i'm now on king cobra jfs uh the youtube page and i i gotta say you always brace you know somebody like this i think i'm on the video where he's trying the the pizza pie i don't know if you saw a video along with that luke but it looks like this was a domino's

pizza unless this is something that he does a lot oh one of the things that happens to him a lot By the way, I also have the sense these videos were made, like, years ago.

Well, the one I'm looking at, actually, I was about to say, only has 521 views, so I was like, oh, that's not so big, but then I see that it was just posted today.

Oh, okay.

So maybe that will get bigger.

One of the things, this, I will say this, this is a thing that made me identify with this guy. Many of the videos that I've seen, and again, I'm talking 30 seconds, I'm talking whatever somebody decides to throw up onto TikTok that, again, worms its way in between my Bama Rush videos. He's often lamenting the fact That he has overdrawn his bank account Because he's ordering pizza And I can totally identify with that Because I have absolutely done that in my life I've written bad checks at Red Robin When Addie was young Knowing I didn't have the money in my account But figuring that was a future Luke problem So he also, this guy Makes a lot of He loves to kind of improvise his own meals That he cooks and they are uniformly awful. Oh, God. Yeah. But he loves them and it'll be like a steak, but he'll be pouring Mountain Dew on it. Oh, sloppy steaks. Crushing up Doritos on it or something. Anyway, again, I certainly don't want to highlight something that adds to toxicity in the world or whatever. I just thought it was funny when he said he lost two thumbs on a pizza.

Yeah, yeah, no, you're not on trial here. It was just a good piece of tape. I hope you continue to use it. I'm just sort of curious about this whole world Because this is somebody who's got a following It looks like maybe A somewhat recent video peaked at 11,000 views Which is impressive But he's also posted about Five videos in the course of the past 24 hours too It's just such a world that I'm unfamiliar with That it sort of makes me think Maybe I should spend this evening Going through King Cobra JFS videos But then I'm like you know what Maybe I shouldn't

This is my prediction By Friday's show, we will have received four or five emails explaining why we are talking about something or somebody or the people ridiculing somebody. Basically, I think we're going to find out that this is a big old mess.

Yeah, maybe.

Someone's going to be like, yeah, here's what you don't realize about this whole topic that you're discussing of this particular person. Either that he's being bullied or he's doing some bullying or that he's, you know. So just it just feels to me like probably if we were to dig way down, we would find that this is the sort of thing that we just don't really traffic in on the show anymore because it just feels like, you know, just anything that that's let's just say anything that's toxic or demeaning or.

is down or is at somebody's expense it's just not the stuff that we generally try to do on the show fraught you might say this topic you believe this topic will end up being i believe it is probably more fraught than you and i realize and i believe one of our helpful listeners will illuminate us

on that but before the cock crows thrice do you think i think i'm probably super interested in this because i consider myself a bit of a youtuber now what with my all the commercials that i'm posting to my youtube what kind of traffic are you getting i'm looking here um i posted a video one day ago that got nine views so eat your heart out king cobra um people know about your are you

is this something you want to publicize or are you keeping this boutique oh yeah no no i've been

talking about on after these messages in fact it is under the after these messages uh youtube channel because like we have an after these messages i'm not the only one who promotes my other projects on the show the cool thing is is you get paid for your other projects i'm just a little bit um but um in fact i actually want to send you something uh maybe i'll send it to you and you can respond uh after the break but vives and i were talking about a commercial that i uploaded here um yesterday it's already got um 20 views uh so that's pretty amazing can you give out the

website so oh yeah just i think your listeners i think over there i think if you just look for

after these messages podcast on youtube you should be able to find it i think it might the thing is it's kind of a common name um so you might have to poke around a little bit but i've tweeted some things out too you know what you know what i'll do i'll um i'll tweet something else out this afternoon one of these videos and if you find that then you can then you can just start you know unspooling the whole did you find the is it the right one came up it was like the second one that popped up all right because i found another one today does it what's the what is i shouldn't even this is such bad podcasting what is like no sorry yeah i don't think that's the one do you

have wait do you have two thousand twenty nine do you have two million twenty nine thousand subscribers i do not i believe i have about 75 okay period so this is a different account that's

called after these messages yeah see that's the problem this is kind of a common thing so i don't know how the best way to find it but probably through my twitter i really do and i now i know what my competition is but here here i'm just going to send this to you now i'm going to send you this because i want your reaction to the visual here luke and i'm doing this via email i'm also going to play the audio while you wait for this email to come through so um the email just went and this is a commercial for itt technical institute here in the seattle area specifically um and you're going to see uh on the right side of the screen is a young man who's surrounded by textbooks and he's studying and he's like he's complaining that he's still in college meanwhile his younger brother who you see on the left side of the screen went to ITT Tech learned I believe electronics and now is already in the workforce and so he's jealous that he didn't go with ITT Tech the funniest thing about this though and I'll play it here is the is the map at the end this is from 1996 and it doesn't look like the map is like hand-drawn but first of all it looks It sort of looks a bit phallic, the way they've drawn out the highways, and very rudimentary. Here, I'll play the commercial here.

That's my little brother. I'm still in college with a couple of years to go. He studied electronics at ITT Technical Institute and started working for a good company. While I'm studying the past, he's working on the future. While I'm studying the past. You can work on your future by preparing for a career in electronics at ITT Tech. Call ITT Technical Institute

And then you see that image at the end And you see like Lake Wash, I guess that's Lake Washington

It's either that or one of those Things from the Quiznos ad That's basically the shape It is

It's like this weird hand drawn weird thing Which really makes you want to go to ITT Tech Because this was drawn probably Presumably by a graduate It's so, it's the strangest

thing because it's like all you have to say is campuses in bothell in seattle and then if because the sales pitch is you know that you'll be able to um find yourself a good career with less time uh invested as a four-year college say so if that speaks to someone they'll figure out where in

seattle or bothell you are why the map i know well it does i mean to defend the idea a little bit we do have to you know kind of remember that not everybody had the internet this is 1996 and if you did have the internet you were probably you know one thing I forgot about the early days of the internet as much as we can kind of as Gen Xers talk about those early days and the sound of a modem and all of the cliche things I had actually temporarily forgotten that oh yeah also if you were on the internet you couldn't get phone calls back in the day people were calling people a lot more because people weren't online and if you were online people would just get a busy signal for hours on end while you were like downloading this would have even been you know long before downloading music or anything so it's 1996 you can call the 800 number and they would have to explain to you i guess well get off at this exit and then take a left and then this is our address there was no way just to type an address in and find yourself there i saw a video on the speaking of the internet

I saw a video on the internet the other day of two, I'm going to say maybe like a 13 and 15-year-old young girls looking at a landline like in their grandma's house. Like the kind, you know, that was like when we were growing up, you'd usually have like in the kitchen somewhere. It was like on the wall with a long cord. And they were perplexed. And I have to say it's been so long since I've seen one of those that it struck me that that is ancient technology at this point and that that is in fact something that if you told a five-year-old to make a phone call – I mean I guess when we use our phones at some point we're still – like our cell phones, we're still punching in numbers. So I don't think it's the idea of punching a number in is so is so foreign. But the look of confusion or the look of being perplexed in their eyes was just incredible to me to think that that is such a relic at this point.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess would a comp there be us watching old black and white movies like didn't you say that it's oh, geez, Andrew, is it not a wonderful life? But you said there's a really romantic scene where it is and it's a wonderful. it is a wonderful life okay and they're sharing it's an old-fashioned phone though right the kind where you hold the mouthpiece with one hand and the earpiece with the other like we if we were to see one of those as a little kid we would know what it was and be like oh wow that is that's if we were to see one in real life we'd be we would recognize it from the movies kids these days still see movies from the 90s we would just be stranger things right exactly we would just be kind of astounded maybe to see one in real life if it seemed that antiquated yeah i guess you're right

so presumably a young person would be able to figure it out because it is still has the components of what a modern phone is they're just kind of arranged differently i mean friends is still like

the most watched tv show in america or something right like i i didn't see this exact video that you're talking about luke but i'm always a little bit well you know i'm suspicious of everything but I'm always a little bit suspicious of the like, oh my God, anything that is like, you see this on Reddit a lot too, like made me laugh or whatever, and it'll be like a shot of a kid's homework where some funny answer is penciled in. I hope a listener didn't send this to me because I don't want to dunk on anything, but it was kind of like the answer to some question or it was some handwritten note from a kid that said mom you worked hard today you deserve a blank and they filled it in a microwaved hot dog and like maybe that's real but chances are people are just like writing these things in and posting them and being and hoping that the internet is like oh kids write the darndest things

you want to talk about like you know king crow king cobra and all that i went down a much darker rabbit hole yesterday i saw a video and it was i must have seen it on twitter or something and it was basically the the headline was like this is the this is the quickest lick of all time have you heard that now the the young folks will describe basically pulling off some kind of a caper or crime or anything you're not supposed to doing is like hitting a lick no okay we're gonna go hit a lick which would just be like basically i think that started out as an idea of like of robbing someone but now it just kind of means pulling something off you know okay and so it was like this is like this you know check out this lick this woman hit and basically what happens in the video is a guy is wearing kind of like um you know bluetooth basically the kind of headphones that you have the kind of yeah you know slightly larger headphones that are that are wireless yeah he's got them on his head as he's picking up his luggage at the luggage carousel and then they fall off of his head and they go in the carousel right over to a woman who picks them up puts them around her neck and then immediately walks away with her luggage and then the guy is looking frantically and i was like that's wild to me that that actually like someone was videotaping but the i have to say the the performance was pretty good if it was a performance so then i was like okay what's the thread on this like did they catch this woman so i clicked on the thread on twitter and then like two responses

down it's like and she brought him back and then she's like bringing them back to the guy and he's like all happy he's doing like a happy dance and i was like oh this is some bullshit this is just totally completely made up for clicks i was kind of annoyed that they got me uh-huh uh with the first one but the darkness came in the comments people just being like um i hope somebody finds this woman like before that like people not understanding that it was obviously made up The outrage that people had over these headphones and then people being mad at each other and people commenting on the parenting, like what kind of a parent would raise a child who does? It was just it descended into complete chaos within like seven comments.

This spurs two things that I would like to say. Number one, it is amazing. I mean, first of all, I just want to acknowledge something here at the beginning of this statement. I know that I should probably get myself just some sort of, like, Android-friendly Air Buds. That's what you call them, right? The small kind that you put in your ears. The kind that most of America uses. I'm still using, like, the big over-the-ear headphones that are Bluetooth. But I realize that, you know, I...

Those are pretty in style, actually. A lot of people use those. I see people... I'm always... I'm a little confused because it just seems, like, more cumbersome than the alternative. But I don't think you're totally, you know, nuts for doing that.

You know, I don't love having the new kind of earbud that kind of like sticks way into your ear. And we've talked about that in the show, so I don't need to belabor it. And I do like them anyway. But it is, you know, I'm at the gym the other day, not to brag. And like, you know, I'm wearing my big over the ear headphones. I'm like, yeah, this is an example where I should not be wearing them. But I also wear them to baseball games. If I'm traveling to a baseball game, you know, at T-Mobile Park by myself, I'm going to be on the train for a while. I'm going to be walking to the train, so I need my headphones, and I cannot tell you how many times I have gotten up from my seat and either moved seats or gone to a concession stand and then not come back to my seat for a long time, and I've left my black headphones just hanging on one of the seats at T-Mobile Park, and nobody messes with them. And I – probably because, like, you've got to be kind of – first of all, you've got to be a bad person just to take somebody's headphones. You know, if you see them there, you assume the person's coming back for them. Secondly, they're earphones. You know what I mean? You have to be pretty hard up to want to be using some stranger's headphones to the degree that you're going to steal them. And these are not expensive ones, the ones I have.

And then you have to be willing to leave the baseball game and or sit there with them in your bag hoping that nobody comes and searches your bag.

And also the ones I have now, although I don't know if I've made this modification, we'll call it, since the last time I accidentally left them at a ball game. But also there's a couple of places where I throw these things on my backpack a lot and the ones I have now are kind of cheap. I tried to I tried to replace the ones I had, but they no longer make that model. And the newer version is so much cheaper and it really takes me off. It really frosts my balls anyway. So I've had to like use green electrical tape to tape up two parts of the headphones. So like you said, they're kind of in style. Anything that I have that might have even at one time been in style I will do my best to make myself look like a goon out there So I now have these big black headphones that have two pieces of green Like, they make black electrical tape If I really wanted to be subtle about this I could at least have used found black electrical tape But they have these two big green pieces of tape on them To keep them secure So I don't think a lot of people are interested in stealing my headphones That could be part of why nobody's stealing them Yes, exactly I can't remember That's a somewhat more recent development But the other thing that I wanted to say, and this is going to be negative. I think that you and I talked about this off air, and I really don't like to do this thing where if somebody sees something online and it reminds them of us or one of the things we're obsessed with, they like to send it to us on various channels, whether it's Twitter, Slack, email, whatever. I like that. That means that people are thinking about us, and I appreciate it. But I do need to say something here. Uh-oh. No, never mind. Let's go to break. No, it's joking. All right, so the video that was going around maybe like three weeks ago that was all over the place, and of course I saw it a lot because I like hot dogs and people will send me stuff, but the video of the man sitting at the edge of an aisle at a ballpark, I want to say, is that Yankee Stadium maybe? I don't know.

I think he might be wearing like a Mets hat or something if I remember right.

Because he's somewhere at a major league ballpark and he's sitting, his seat is at the end of an aisle and somebody is filming him kind of from above and kind of cattywampus from him, him take his hot dog out of the bun, take a straw, hollow out the hot dog using the straw and then using the hot dog as a straw to drink his beer. There is no way that that was not a plant, that that was.

not set up so that he could get somebody to record him, probably a friend, and knowing that it would go viral because it's so similar. He's even sitting in a very similar position to the thing that went viral earlier in the spring at a baseball game where somebody was being- The person dunking their entire hot dog in a beer. In a beer, which makes a little bit more sense. I wouldn't do either one of those, but I mean, everybody was like, get a load of this guy. And by the way, it's not just me. Even the, I saw that The Athletic, the website, The Athletic, I get a daily email from them. Even they were like, this cannot be real. This is somebody who was looking for attention online. I just want to throw that out there.

Well, I hope you know, Andrew, you ruined an entire segment of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me That Will Never Air.

Oh, that's right.

When I was in D.C. doing Wait, Wait, but I was on the Friday night edition, which means most of it doesn't end up on the radio. They'll use, like, the interview with Vivek Murthy, the Surgeon General, was the Not My Job guest. By the way, delightful fellow.

Cool.

So they'll use that, but a lot of it doesn't get used. And they asked me, like, not only did they ask me a question about that hot dog thing, we then had, like, a 20-minute chat about it. It was then also basically the, like, end of the show. They do a little prediction. Like, what's the next novel thing somebody will do with a hot dog? which I think was designed to make us give racy answers since, again, that would also not ever go on the radio. So it was a big part of that show that I did, but which will never air.

But do you think that because this is where I'm a no fun, Nick, right? This this is the reason why I've never been invited on that show. Luke, no other reason other than the fact that, like, you know, I probably would be the type of person to be like, well, obviously that's fake. Right. But that's not fun.

that's not yes and and that's not good for the show do you think that like you didn't even occur to me that it was fake well i don't have say i don't have proof of it by the way no but i think your theory i'm glad here's what i'll say i'm glad that you told me this after i had already done that bit because it would have lived in your head yeah and it's more fun to not think that way i was going into it being like i guess a guy did a weird thing you know like i wasn't whereas if i kind of knew it was fake I still would have probably pretended that I thought it was real for the sake of the show because you know I'm selfless that way and I want to be invited back like for instance tonight I'll be in Chicago doing wait wait don't tell me with Paula Poundstone and Faith Saley but yeah if I if I had known if I if I had thought about it long enough or heard you say that I would have been like yeah of course why would they be videotaping this guy randomly is it even called videotaping anymore why would they be recording this guy just randomly doing this thing like it obviously that was done intentionally yeah i mean again i

don't have proof of that but i'm just looking at it but like i'm now re-watching it now so this so the taping does begin with taping you know the recording does begin you know once he starts messing around with the straw and the hot dogs i could have said like why did you start taping this guy until things got weird but like i don't know again i don't have proof of it but it just seems real staged to me so i don't know i won't say we knew it was fake but it seems i mean we

need to obviously go to a break here but do you think by the way julia louis dreyfus just posted her wordle so take that slate magazine take that heather um would you like let's say that you were on like wait wait and it was you know that that topic came up the hot dog thing would you for the sake of you know playing along would you be able to kind of go into it and just treat like it was

a real thing because you knew that that would be a better bit no i would try to be funny in me saying that there's no way it's real but i i would be very un i'm and that's just my personality and it's it's what it's they call it a what's the no fun nick i believe that's not true at all you actually just have a moral code which i don't i don't know if it's moral i just like i i'm just pesky that's not the right word uh like it's just like i can't it just drives me bananas like i couldn't just it's not even about morality i would feel i just i don't want to play the fool in that way like you know what i mean like oh it's just a fun online thing let's all believe it's real like i think that it's um you know it might even be a uh a personality fault of mine that i can't go

along with that no i don't think so i mean i think it's tied i do think it's in a way tied into the fact that i am much more of a sketchball than you like i just don't care that much about if it's a real story or not if to me it's like if the crowd is laughing and having a good time then the you know hundred percentness of this is less of a concern for me but i think that that probably is indicative of some larger moral failing on my part not that i don't know this up i don't

of moral That's the right word. But I do want to just say here, the Toronto Star entertainment opinion writer, the entertainment columnist, Vinay Minan, wrote, why did the media swallow the hot dog straw man? Because they know New York fans are bonkers. The sub headline is, if I'm wrong about this video being fake, I will retract to this column and go to Nicholas Heller's house so we can drink martinis out of a sirloin. I don't know who Nicholas Heller is, but just on the fly, at least there are some other members of the media. And, yes, I do consider myself a member of the media who believe that this is bunk journalism.

I have just been scrolling endlessly trying to get back to the woman allegedly stealing the headphones so I can just read you some of the comments. But probably, you know, to the good fortune of the listeners, I couldn't find it. So we can just move on. Okay. It's just, I mean, I guess what it is, Andrew, is I feel like you and I generally move in fairly self-aware circles when it comes to the internet. Like, the people that you follow on Twitter are probably, you know, the Scott Ackermans of the world or the whomevers of the world. And you're not on Facebook anymore, right? Is that true?

No, I haven't been on Facebook in forever.

I think we both just kind of generally move – the internet that you and I hang out on is mostly people that are kind of quote-unquote get it or are fairly self-aware. And then if you find yourself accidentally in a different corner of the internet where no one is self-aware, where people are just so unbelievably, like, earnest and mad and, like, just not – again, just not ironic at all, it's a very weird place.

Yeah, definitely. Oh, by the way, just to close the gap here, this Heller comment, Nicholas Heller, he's the person who's like a social media director behind the account New York Nico, which originally posted this. So this is really interesting. I think we can agree that this isn't real.

I think it's probably fake. But again, I'm glad you didn't put your evil inside me until I had already delighted 6,000 people at Wolf Trap.

Hey, I'll do your kids' parties, everybody. Email me, andrewatbtl.net. If anybody's having too much fun, I'll come and ruin it all.

Let's take a quick break here, now that we're about 43 minutes into the show. And then when we come back, I'm not going to do it. Yesterday, I accidentally slipped into just a brutal Seinfeld impression. I'm not going to do that, but I do want to talk about this Seinfeld fashion campaign with Kif. Coming up in a moment here on TBTL. What's the deal with fashion? Thank you, baby. All right, let's thank some donors of the day. These wonderful, generous peeps are keeping the show going. Peoples like Michelle Coggin of Portland, Oregon. Hey. See you Saturday, Michelle. Yeah. Everybody in PDX is coming out to, what is it, Brooklyn School Park or something or other? That sounds right to me. There's going to be some kind of a potluck going on with the 10s. I believe it's 12 to 4. I believe it's on the internet somewhere

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That's a lot of S's, dude Laura Case Nagai Is in Puyallup, Washington Boy Heard Dave Sims really Really slip up on Puyallup The other day during a Mariner's broadcast And I was like, Dave Sims? Dave Sims? Sims I mean, that's a local reference. What did he do? They were talking about a player, I believe, on a different team who went to Puyallup High School. And he just, you know, I don't blame Dave Sims. But I was like, my guy really got to like, that's the thing. We talk about it a lot. Like, that's one of those things that if you're in the Northwest, it's a real like, did you grow up here or not kind of thing.

Yeah, I mean, I didn't grow up here. It just seems like it's one of the most, you know, it's one of the one of the bigger like areas outside of Seattle as far as names are concerned.

I'm, you know, as far as names that are not, you know, super common or.

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. He corrected it. He even heard himself. Oh, so maybe it was more of a stumble, not a not realizing how it's pronounced.

Yeah. Yeah. Somewhere. Because he he he heard it in his. I mean, he must have corrected it because he knew he was saying it slightly wrong. All right. But it didn't sound like when I say Puyallup, it's like. It just rolls off the tongue Honey, I could hear you say it all day What was the word the other day? It's sonorous Oh yeah

I tried to say sonorous

It's sonorous when I say Puyallup Because of course the Puyallup Fair Was the first time I ever held hands with a girl

Oh yeah, do the Puyallup That's what it means When Luke says to you

want to do the Puyallup, it means do you want to hold hands with him? I just think the listeners should

know that. Yes. Particularly Laura Case Nagai, who's down there in Puyallup. Thanks, Laura. Also, thanks to Rachel Langan Lundmark in Tumwater, Washington. Thank you, Rachel. Laura O'Neill Dunn is in Durham, North Carolina. That seems like a cool place. It is. I have not been to North Carolina Probably since I was a kid Because my granddad Farnam Moss Burbank Hell of a name He lived in New Bern, North Carolina But I don't think I've been there as an adult For all of my travels around the nation That is surprising That's part of the research triangle, right? I believe so And it's supposed to just be A very cool part of the country CBS must not trust me In the research triangle Yeah, probably you'll mess up all the research That's why I'm never sent down there Corin Copps is in Seattle, Washington Where I am still currently allowed But probably not for much longer And then, thank you Corin And then Lisa Kloss is in Westchester, PA Nice

I feel like Westchester, PA would be a great place to spend Christmas I don't know why I'm saying that It just seems like it Seems cozy

Seems like there'd be a fire going to be an old kind of brick home with a fire going in the hearth yep it's basically the the home that steve martin comes home to oh nice planes trains and automobiles very nice yeah thank you to all of our donors of the day uh for making the show possible we would not be here without you hello and welcome to top story so these pictures of jerry seinfeld have been making the rounds because he is the, I guess he's the model for this clothing company called Kith. I don't know how many on Tuesday of this week, I'm just reading from CNN now, this was a piece by a person named Oscar Holland. On Tuesday, the label Kith unveiled a series of campaign images that immediately set the internet alight, shot by celebrated photographer Mark Seliger. The pictures show Seinfeld perched on heritage furniture, leaning on stacks of dusty books and sitting at a desk with a typewriter. The comedian is seen wearing somewhat effortlessly, it must be said, a range of kiths, new hoodies, sweatpants, varsity jackets and floral prints. These are all from the fall 2022 collection. And what I will say about these photos is it is not Jerry Seinfeld's typical outfit. it is very very kind of stylish i guess uh for a certain person's style it's i've seen it called hype beast wear by some although i think even that term is a little probably outdated but like uh it's it's definitely not the typical look for jerry seinfeld the one the first one that i saw

which confused me a lot was him wearing jeans a new york mets cap and like a letterman's jacket But the Letterman's jacket is the kith jacket, and it's got little cartoons all over it. It's a little bit amplified, but that didn't seem completely outside of his comfort zone to me, that particular photo. Particularly the Mets hat, right? Exactly. And it just goes with the jacket and the jeans. And it's kind of like a modern version, a little Norm Corey, but then you add a bunch of pizzazz to the illustrations on the jacket, right? Which takes it right out of the realm of Norm Core. But that seemed somewhat normal to me. But here was, and this is embarrassing, but that's what, you know, that's what we do here. We turn it into content, but I have never heard of Kith before, okay? I didn't know it was a fashion brand, and I have heard of the Kids in the Hall before, and I follow a Kids in the Hall account called Kids in the Hall Forever. Yes, it's a wonderful account, by the way. If you are a fan of Kids in the Hall, the account Kids in the Hall Forever just takes full skits, no matter sketches. I can't remember what the cool way to say that is. They take the whole thing, no matter how long it is, and they'll just post one or two a day on Instagram. And it's wonderful. It's a great way to relive a lot of that content. But but they posted something jokingly that said so cool of Jerry Seinfeld to wear the special K.I.T.H. jacket to promote our upcoming tour or something along those lines. And I was like, oh, that's so cool, because like kids in the hall were big in the 90s. Seinfeld was big in the 90s. But of course, he was a superstar and kids in the hall were a little bit more underground and edgy or whatever. But that's cool that here in 2022 Seinfeld would give them a little boost.

And I'm just like, but that still seems weird. And I had this feeling. I'm like, but this could be wrong, right? Is Kith something else, but the kids in the hall are just spoofing here. Sometimes I'll ask you to give me a little Kith. Yeah, exactly. Backstage before the show just to kind of set my mind right. Yeah, to pump us up before the show, yeah. And, of course, it only took, like, I definitely thought, like, I can't tell if they're joking about this or not, but then I dismissed it. And then later on in the day, as more and more of these photos came out, I'm like, oh, okay, Kith is a brand. And, yeah, I should have thought about that a little bit more. But, yeah, so I honestly thought the first time I saw this, I thought, oh, that's cool.

It's a Kids in the Hall promo. Now, I will give full marks to this clothing brand. It was very smart to pick Jerry Seinfeld because even though the Internet seems quite divided on it, if, like, he actually looks pretty good in these outfits or if it just seems very silly, it's so much earned media for this company. It's perfect. the other thing that i realized though was what as i read through this story on cnn is that they pointed out this is not the first time this company has done this they did it back in the spring of 2022 with steve buscemi i'd seen i'd read that i didn't see the photos though and what i realized because i saw these steve buscemi photos when they came out and i remember thinking steve buscemi looks so cool in this and what i realized was on some basic level i like steve buscemi and i don't like jerry seinfeld oh okay yeah like i had a very positive response to steve buscemi all kind of done up in these unusual for him clothing you know pieces of clothing and i just thought this only confirms that i like this guy even more and with seinfeld it was like get over yourself which must speak to some base response meanwhile i love comedians and cars getting coffee like i really like that show and you know i was a fan of seinfeld when i was a kid although i don't actually think seinfeld holds up all that much interestingly for me um but i must on some level not really like jerry's i find i guess i find him to be a little abrasive and in some way that makes me think it's like i basically feel like jerry seinfeld is wearing an outfit that he would make fun of somebody else for wearing it's interesting i um i still like

this show a couple years ago i started at the beginning and started watching all of the seinfelds all the way through and while some of the you know some of the topics they cover like there's still like i think some homophobia in there and some other things that i didn't totally love or like gay panic sort of you know you know the whole not that there's anything wrong with that um but clearly the joke there is well there is otherwise you wouldn't be making such a big deal out of this but again like you know times change i'm not totally hung up on that but honestly and let's just make you know just reiterates what like kind of a snowflake i am like seinfeld isn't out there saying like terrible things but he is one of the people of that generation of comedians who i know he's on the record in interviews talking about like he's not even going to do college campuses anymore with his stand-up because like or maybe i can't imagine him doing that anyway maybe you're saying he wouldn't in this day and age because you know you can't you know basically like you can't say anything anymore and you know comedy you need to be edgy to be funny and like i just think that is such a bullshit old man argument like if you can't be funny without saying something that is offensive like what are you you're just wrong like obviously like we have so many people who are like making comedy uh young people who are making comedy in places like tick tock that like slays us and there's nobody insulted in that like you don't have you can be weird and you can define edgy as different things but the fact that like if you're any kind of comedian who takes pride in your work but you think oh well i would never do a comedy for young people these days because they would just call me out on things i'm like well maybe think about what you're saying because this idea that you can't be funny without um without you you know, is somehow offending people is just such bullshit. Weren't you and I just the other day talking about like I was just talking. I can't remember if you and I were talking about this guy. We were talking about him a lot on After These Messages lately. But Mitch Hedberg is a perfect example. Like that guy was I mean, you know, his story ended very tragically. But like when he was at the heart of what he did or when he was at the peak of what he did, I should say, he was hilarious giving his one liners. He was lovable and hilarious. He didn't have to worry about like, oh, maybe somebody will be offended by this. I'm just so put off by that. And again, not that Jerry Seinfeld is out there like saying it all the time. He's not like a John Cleese, but all these older comedians who make those arguments. I'm just so is that is that an argument John Cleese's Cleese is out there all the time talking about how wokeness is killing comedy and all this shit. And you're just like, yeah, I mean, grow up or get young or do something. But you're wrong, dude. Go in one direction.

Either way, but you know, I mean, this is, I, I know I said a version of this, I don't know, a few weeks ago when the same topic was kind of coming up on, on sort of like cancel culture and comedy. It's, I think it was because I was listening actually to, uh, the comedian Judy Gold, uh, was, had written, had written a book and was, and it was just basically like the most distilled. And I would say just like least kind of least well expressed version of that argument of like everybody who's attending a comedy show needs to get a thicker skin. It was like, how about the comedians get a thicker skin? How about the person who's standing up there if they say something that hurts someone's feelings or is seen as offensive? And that person just happens to express that their opinion that it was offensive. How about the person who made the joke in the first place have a thicker skin? It seems like a lot of comedians think that the First Amendment only applies to the jokes they're making, and it doesn't apply to the people who are responding to their jokes. Exactly. It's just like it feels to me like you can make any—unless your joke is there's a fire in this movie theater, you can pretty much make any joke you want. You just have to be ready for people to respond to it with their protected speech of their opinion of it. It's just for a bunch of people that are like so into like this idea of like you got to toughen up and take a joke and whatever. It's just like wild to me how kind of precious they can be. It just seems like you get to make whatever joke you want and then people get to have whatever response they want. When you mentioned Mitch Hedberg, it reminded me of one of my favorite bits of his, which funnily enough, I think Seinfeld also had a version of this bit. I think well just because For some reason we've decided Jerry Seinfeld is the enemy today I think the Mitch Hedberg version is better Do you remember the I have it here on YouTube Basically he's talking about Mitch Hedberg is when You're at a restaurant And you're waiting for them to call your name and they Call somebody else's name and the people don't respond Do you know this bit I know it because

You raised it on the show a while back And then I found it and used it as intro tape The next day but I don't but I only Am I only know about it I think because you brought it up like i don't know in the past year or two or something right what happened to the dufrayne yeah what happened i love him so much it's just taking a minute you only want to a

restaurant on the weekends it gets busy so they got to start a waiting list they start calling out names they say like dufrayne party of two table ready for dufrayne party of two and if no one answers they'll say the name again dufrayne party of two but then if no one answers they'll Let's go right on to the next name. Bush, party of three. Yeah, but what happened to the Dufresne's? No one seems to care. Who can eat at a time like this? People are missing.

Now, I feel like there's a Seinfeld, I think there's an episode of Seinfeld where something like that happens, where they're like waiting to get a table and Jerry's doing a version of that same bit.

Now, by the way, I think that ends with him also saying some of the Bush search party of four. I you know, you might be conflating things because one of the earliest, most famous, famous episodes, like a real cult classic of Seinfeld is the Chinese. I believe it's a Chinese restaurant episode. And it's like kind of a closed box episode where it all takes place while they're waiting for a table. I don't remember him doing that exact bit. I could be wrong about it, but that is an incredibly famous early episode of Seinfeld. I'm probably combining that with the, you don't have the reservation.

Yeah. That's how the reservation works. It's all probably, I'm probably combining that in my mind and making a whole new episode of Seinfeld. That would have been great.

Because that's a car reservation, right? Right. That's a rental. And he's like, oh, I'll take the insurance because I'm going to beat the hell out of this thing.

now the other story that i saw that was interesting to me because we talked about this in the past was uh the judge in los angeles has thrown out the lawsuit from the kid who is naked again i keep saying kid this person spencer eldon is now age 31 uh he is naked on the cover of nirvana's never mind and the suit uh named various record labels the drummer dave groll which that just come on i I mean, I don't really feel like that's Dave Grohl's fault. Chris Novoselic is mentioned, Kurt Cobain's estate, the photographer. I mean, honestly, if you're going to go after anyone, maybe go after your parents, maybe go after the photographer or the label. But like it seems like Dave Grohl and Chris Novoselic seem fairly to the side of the issue. Um, now, uh, this, uh, this guy, um, Spencer Eldon, he was, the suit, uh, claimed that it was, uh, let's see here. It caused lifelong loss of income earning capacity and permanent.

harm and i mean i don't know if i would want to have a picture of me naked as one of the most famous album covers in america like i can actually identify with that but what i would probably do is not tell anyone yeah see and nobody would know it was him i mean the problem is i think he tried to embrace it for a while he did he didn't yeah exactly and and then he decided that it was upsetting him and it might be genuinely upsetting to him i mean if his life is not going great this is probably a thing that he would be fixating on but the judge tossed it out because basically he was missing all these deadlines to he filed it it was thrown out and then he was supposed to refile or his attorneys were and they didn't do it in time so it's been thrown out with prejudice meaning he can't i guess he cannot bring this particular lawsuit back now oh interesting but like i mean i don't know it's it's complicated because there's no way this kid could have given consent i guess this is what being a minor is i guess if his parents gave consent it's kind of on them at that point but i i will i will give him this much it would be strange to have a your naked body adorning t-shirts posters album covers what have you with your little naked baby willie out there like that would be kind of an intense experience i think willie that's my

imitation of elf by the way it's a short sure willy it used to be better i'll i'll say it definitely used to be better um you gotta do it from the gut um i uh i guess you know me i'm very sensitive about my body and stuff like that but i do feel well i mean the one the one big deal here is i feel like you can't try to capitalize and right cash out on that for the first part of your life yeah and then at age 31 turn around and sue and say i wasn't ready for this i also do you know obviously whatever paperwork was signed at the time was probably pretty buttoned down they were with sub pop at the time this wasn't an independent release um and you know parents are signing away their kids rights you know every time a kid appears in a TV commercial you know so you know I'm sure there's all kinds as long as they did their legal due diligence with the releases but then but that's to the side of what you're actually talking about like how would it feel to walk around being that person like I feel like I'm with you if I was uncomfortable with it I wouldn't tell anybody and nobody because no one's going to recognize you

like no one understands that you unless you bring it up which probably would be the best approach I mean

if there were some you know in this day and age maybe somebody would be curious hey who is the kid on this cover and you could google it now if you did that you would find interviews with him I mean they would check in with him when he was like I don't know I think a young man he did I think he was on the cover of a maybe Rolling Stone or something could be making that up but I feel like I remember him like kind of there was a big media moment where he's like this is what the Nirvana kid is doing now you know but before all of that there's still a chance that somebody could figure it out dig through the records who is this person and google you but i doubt unless somebody's like doing a big expose on you and you're like hey i'm just living my life and trying to be left alone but this thing is dogging me maybe but that just doesn't sort of seem to be the situation here it seems like yeah grab to me although i really hate it man i gotta say you know you turn on am radio you listen to one of the talk shows that i seem to enjoy so much and you hear somebody like you know somebody with absolutely no legal expertise at all sitting in this chair saying oh this lawsuit sounds like a cash grab it kind of makes me feel gross to say that so you know maybe i'm not being totally fair there but

that's that's just my gut reaction i guess now the reason that i've got nirvana on the brain along with this particular ruling is because uh the other day i saw a clip again probably on tiktok of Nirvana I don't think Dave Grohl's even in the band yet but it's Kurt Cobain and Chris Novoselic they're playing at a Radio Shack Andrew oh cool and like I don't know what that maybe I should uh let's I'll I'm just googling it here to see if there's a little more information out there I mean I'm guessing that the Radio Shack I guess I'm thinking it was must have been in aberdeen like they played at an aberdeen washington radio shack like can you imagine and what's interesting is watching the footage is like it's pretty rough right like it's pretty it's it's just kind of noisy and it's like chris the video i saw chris novoselic is just kind of like sitting on the ground just kind of hammering on his base and kurtz just got his hair all over his face and like if i'd walked into that radio shack in aberdeen in you know 1988 or so whatever i would have just thought well this is garbage if you just you would have grandpa simpson right on out of there i mean a hundred percent i would have been like what is this bullshit i'm just trying to buy some batteries i would have hank killed it you know um and yet i mean you know obviously one of the probably one of the most influential uh short short lived though they were one of the most influential bands in in like america uh we're just doinking around in a radio I just it was so it was so crazy to see them in that context yeah that is amazing and I have I

have like these very complicated emotions I don't mean complicated like they're problematic in any way it's just that it's really hard for me to explain them but living here in Seattle as an adult and loving the city and also loving the fact that a lot of people like like you and I know that you're in Portland now but just kind of go with me on this you know for the most most of our friendship you were living in seattle and camaro kev and you know just the folks who grew up here um it's fun because like i'm from ohio a lot of people my age and in my demographic left ohio i still have some friends there and so they have these connections but to live in a city this city of seattle a place that i knew through nirvana mostly when i was just some pudgy kid in ohio as opposed to a pudgy adult i don't know why my pledge has anything to do with this to be honest with you and my god am i glad that lynn is no longer grabbing uh isolated cuts from this show the show's probably gotten better as i just leave stuff like that in the clear um but uh you know as i was just some kid on a school bus listening to nirvana for the first time because some kid told me hey you'll like this it's an mtv buzz clip and not even really knowing what that meant but like that was like the first modern music that i i liked and then then i'm like okay it's from this place of seattle and to live here now and to i just and because of the tragic tragic end of kurt cobain and the band of course um along with it um it's just like it's it's definitely a wistful feeling but also an appreciation and it's hard for me to wrap my mind around some of the romanticism that i attach to that band and that era and living here now i i was driving somewhere yesterday i think i was in the fremont area i can't remember where this is but it doesn't really matter but I saw a man who was probably like 20 years older than me maybe 15 years older than me um and he was crossing the street kind of long shaggy white hair big white beard um he looked again he was kind of shaggy looking but like kind of just maybe in the same way I would be shaggy looking you know what I mean like somewhat unkempt and I just sort of thought like okay who's that guy that guy just looks like an older Seattle guy who probably just lived through the grunge era like for some reason i just saw a guy crossing the street and i wondered huh i wonder if this guy was at a bunch of like nirvana shows or mother love bone shows or something like that the fact that that history is still like sort of here is again something that i don't have a power out for this because like i said i just have weird complicated feelings that i can't quite

put into words well right i mean for a certain kind of music particularly like you mentioned things like nirvana um you know to some degree pearl jam but i i i mean we have listeners who are like pearl jam heads and i i like the music of pearl jam i mean i was obsessed with 10 i think of nirvana as being more musically important probably just as my personal opinion um but uh yeah there is it's like it's so woven into this city that there was lots of people who probably just went to a show at the velvet elvis or the off-ramp or the you know one of these clubs back in the day just because it was a thing to do and they just saw a band that was like the band that was playing that night and that band was nirvana yeah exactly that band was sound garden or that band was uh who met you know whatever some mud honey these bands that are considered to be you know really kind of important in rock music and it wasn't like a big thing it was just that's who was on the bill on that Thursday night.

And a big thing for me is like, and I don't know if I want to, I mean, I definitely like Nirvana more than Pearl Jam myself, although I was big on Pearl Jam back in the day too. And I don't want to just say like, Oh, one is better than the other or whatever, because first of all, it's not my place to say, but it's just an opinion. But like, this is going to really rock your world. The statement I'm going to say is, I just think that, especially when I look at old footage and old photos of Kurt Cobain, he was just so cool. like I think maybe that's what like I like you know or I liked maybe I should say Pearl Jam I don't know if I would put on a Pearl Jam album now to listen to it but like I definitely was way into them and Eddie Vedder was cool in his own way too and I like Eddie Vedder but there was always more of a pretense there or whatever and Kurt Cobain I still look at images of him a kid who I mean he died when he was what half my age but I still almost like part of me would look up to him because he Thank you. just was so goddamn cool he just completely carved his own there's so much aberdeen in that kid you

know yeah right i mean and the funny part or the interesting part is that he was uh apparently you know well he obviously uh met a very untimely end but also was just racked with self-doubt i was reading this story about how i nirvana was i think in like england they were just starting to blow up and he tried to quit the band yeah because he just was like i can't deal with this and what he said was when i look out in the audience in this packed room i see all the people who bullied me in high school oh wow yeah and i don't know if he meant the actual fans reminded him of the bullies or he just was self-conscious about being in front of so many people but it was like for a person who was battling so much internally as he was he was so freaking cool seeming to somebody like me and just everything he did you know every outfit he wore just like the way he carried himself it just Was the coolest thing you could ever be Yeah

Sorry go ahead I was just saying You said the stuff he would wear He was shining a light on all these underground cultures And artists that we didn't know about Outside artists Daniel Johnson comes to mind And all of that stuff And the Vaselines when he did their unplug Playing all of these And the meat puppets All of that stuff I knew through the lens of Nirvana

One other thing just in the kind of nirvana adjacent universe was last uh I think it was Saturday so almost a week ago they had this tribute concert in Wembley Stadium for Taylor Hawkins and of the Foo Fighters and my thoughts on the Foo Fighters are I actually genuinely really like some Foo Fighters songs I really like Dave Grohl as a person he just seems he seems like he's a really cool down-to-earth guy and um and i you know so like i like the foo fighters i don't own any foo fighters albums and i would probably you know i wouldn't describe myself as somebody who has a huge knowledge of what their work is i was i felt sad when i heard that taylor hawkins died because for anybody to lose their life prematurely is a sad thing but what i was really shocked by was how emotional i got watching clips of this concert like for a person who you know of course i had never met and i didn't have a hugely strong opinion one way or the other i don't know if it was the very beginning but somewhere early on liam gallagher comes out and sings live forever um that really great oasis song and he's being backed by uh by the foo fighters and the whole stadium is just going crazy and i just was like it was really emotional and then uh they have taylor hawkins's kid come out and play the drums on that song my hero which is a big foo fighters hit and taylor hawkins's kid pier i don't know anything about drumming but he appears to be a really really good drummer and all i could think as i was watching is how is anyone keeping it together on stage right now yeah i mean maybe it's just like you're focusing on the music but it's so deeply imbued with this tragedy of the loss of this guy's life and you've got and it was just a cavalcade of different kind of well-known musicians coming out and playing either their own music or probably Foo Fighters music. And I just, you know, Dave Grohl was on drums for the, the, the song that Liam Gallagher was singing. And I just thought like, how is Dave Grohl even able to like swing these drumsticks at these drums?

Yeah. Knowing you mean, I mean, you're getting emotional and then this is somebody that he knew and loved and worked with day in and day out.

they were really dear friends yeah and you're now playing your day i mean david growl is obviously a really great drummer in his own right but you're playing the instrument that taylor hawkins would have been playing yeah and this is in honor of him and also you're looking out at i don't know how many people wembley holds 80 000 yeah it's just like the whole thing was it i just kept going back and like watching on consequence of sounds twitter feed these like selects from it and like just like I texted Camaro Kevin Croatia about it like it was it had like a way bigger impact on me than I would have expected considering you know that isn't like I wouldn't consider myself this like the biggest Foo Fighters head out there but man it was it seemed like really emotional and

also just really cool this is quite a bit different than what you're talking about but I'll just tag that by saying um when I was at um the ballpark watching the Mariners Guardians game I guess that was last weekend They were inducting Itro into the Hall of Fame Into the Mariners Hall of Fame I think this might have come up on the show already But you know like A bunch of his old teammates are there Junior's there Itro himself gave a long acceptance speech In English that he had prepared At one point they flack

a his two dogs yowling in the house but they subtitled it as if the dogs were honoring him as well it was actually pretty funny and the whole and it this this whole ceremony that happened on the the diamond in you know be right before the ball game in fact each row speech took too long and the game was supposed to start at 710 I think first pitch was probably more like 720 725 and I was dying to know what the Cleveland radio broadcasters were doing during this time when Your game is just postponed by 15 minutes. You don't know when it's going to end. Rick Riz, who is like what would be the position of him? He was like the host of this thing. Oh, the emcee. The emcee would be a better word, yeah. When he finally gets back up there after Ichiro got done talking, he's talking a mile a minute getting through his remarks because this man knows that he's 15 minutes late for a ball game, right? He's a broadcaster. Ichiro's not looking at the clock. But anyway, during all of this, you know, Edgar is there. Junior is there.

Impact for a lifetime.

Itro's famous and longtime translator is there. His family is there. Anyway, the whole time I'm sitting in the stands, and this is a pretty long ordeal, and I had to so actively, actively front of mind say, don't start crying. Don't start crying. And I'm just like, I think I might have seen Edgar wipe his eye at one point, but I'm like, how are these guys not like just balling up there? They're they're playing on the jumbotron. They're playing old commercials where where Junior was pranking Ichiro by putting glue on his seat or something. And then Ichiro referenced it later. He's like, well, I'm trying to keep this long because I don't want to go back to my seat because he probably would glue on it again or something like that. It was like, I wasn't even a baseball fan then, you know, during this time that they're talking about. I probably never even heard the word Ichiro, and here I am, and just, like, I just could not understand how people – I mean, I'm so quick to cry these days, I think, as part of it, too.

I'm telling you, dude, low T. I know. I was, like, interviewing this guy for Livewire the other day, and I just started talking about something from – in reference to something in the book about his childhood, it kind of echoed with some of my childhood, and nothing particularly traumatic. I was just talking about you know I don't know if this was this is I mean You were bullied so maybe this was really The case for you as well in Ohio But what I remember one of the I mean I had A very great I was very lucky I had a great childhood But one of the things I remember about growing up when I grew up That the era that I did and also going to Like the public schools that I went to and just kind of Being out you know Out in the world mostly unsupervised was The constant The just kind of being aware that You might get your ass kicked at any time like there was just that kind of thing where like was like oh that one bully guy like there was a guy named jason bass and if we were like playing football at the school like you know in front just throwing the ball and jason bass showed up was like we got to figure out how to get out of here because he's gonna be kicking one of our asses by the end of this and like there were just like the kids that you knew were just gonna mess with you or test you and i don't know i'm talking about this with this guy isaac fitzgerald um and luckily i kept it we're on zoom too so that doesn't help because, like, my face is presumably, like, big on his computer screen because I'm talking, you know, and everyone else, all the producers are watching. And I was just like, why am I starting to cry talking about this? Yeah. You know, it's just like, I swear to God, my tea is in the basement. I'm just such an emotional mess.

That might be the name of today's show. Only I'll spell T-T-E-A to not let anybody into the joke.

Thank you. Please. I'm crying right now thinking about it.

There's a right way to rock In a wrong way to roll You can just listen to your soul Just remember that life is number one You can be having so much fun Just remember that life is much fun You can be number one

All right, Luke, I don't want to be, what's the word I used before, a no-fun-nick here? I don't want to be a narc.

I'm so proud of us.

Yeah.

This is unprecedented, the fact that we went like 80 minutes or so without mentioning that, in fact, this is the Thursday edition of the show, but we are recording it on a Wednesday. Exactly. Pretty late on a Wednesday.

So it's still relatively fresh. It might not be hot out of the oven, but it's still warm. Honestly, if it's too fresh, you'll burn yourself. Exactly. This episode is cooling on the windowsill, and it's absolutely perfect for consumption right now. But because of that, I should note that there are probably...

people who are going to be sending in blursday messages in between us recording this and this posting so i feel bad about that i was wondering luke if it's a manageable number if a few people send in blursday messages between now and friday show can we share them on friday so that they

don't have to wait a full week i'm absolutely fine with that okay let's see as long as it's

not too many i don't want to do like a long blursday tomorrow but we have a short blursday today, which I'll stop extending by getting to it. Reset here. This is from Corey, who says, Happy actual Blursday to Ava, who entered the world during the TBTL Summer Games. We have a new listener. We have a new person in the world, a new member of Corey's family, but more importantly, a new TBTL listener. I feel terrible. A future donor. A future donor. This was sent in for last week, and I missed it somehow, so sorry about that, Corey sorry about that Ava

Corey says do not hold that against us

No Corey says Ava your mama and I are So happy you're here and Eliza is super Excited to be your big sister if you Start time banding now You should be caught up by the time you're in high school So ziggle zag it let's Start listening My low T can't handle it Rachel says I'd like to give my husband A belated blurs day wish his birthday was Yesterday but we had a really hectic Week full of plumbing problems and work deadlines so brad you loved brad so brad i'm sorry do you know what i did there luke do you know why i said you loved brad that makes no i didn't there was a liberty liberty liberty commercial where a young woman stood in front of the um statue of liberty and you know how they have that kind of setup yes and that and she would say you had a car you named him brad you love Brad yeah anyway but what is the best what is the oh scientifically recognized best Liberty Liberty the fact that they have not changed their logo or their slogan to Liberty Liberty blows my brain like they should definitely have leaned more into that that's great okay hold on wish I hadn't said blows my brain get back in and get back in so Brad Brad Rachel says, I'm sorry your Blur's Day was overshadowed by the emergency re-plumbing of our entire house. But thank you for being my co-bro through all that life throws at us. Happy Blur's Day, Brad. That is cute. I'm sorry you guys had to go through that. But I'm also glad you found somebody to fully re-plumb your house in this economy.

Yeah.

That sounds involved. It does. Good luck, guys. And finally, Carolyn says, I want to wish my friend O'Candy in Chicago. a very happy blurs day now this is interesting because i believe last week candy was wishing carolyn a happy blurs day if i remember oh i see what they did there yeah and they're close together but anyway carolyn says happy blurs day to candy in chicago hope you're having a great vacation and fun celebrating your big day happy blurs happy blurs day everybody and welcome

to this world ava yes all right that's gonna do it for today's episode thank you everyone for listening. We will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. So please if you can join us for that. Until then have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all.

Aloha means hello and goodbye. Goodbye!

Power out.