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This is stuff so funny, by the way. Did the comic come up with this? Because some of this stuff, like, I feel like I could see somebody doing it in their act. Right? A duck that's friends with a monkey who he can't swim. That's hilarious. That's, like, something I would do. I would be like, could you imagine yourself being, like, a duck? But you don't have one getting in the water. Yeah, that's the way I feel every day when I hop on the 48th freeway.

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It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend

All I know is this violates every canon of respectable broadcasting You like are definitely You're the real thing that a lot of people say So do you think if you weren't I mean, if you were less fake, do you think you would be, or you could, or you have a desire to? Meat from the street sounds like a fun treat.

I'm a poet and didn't even know I was rhyming those words, but it happened anyway.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's a deficient means of understanding the world, and yet it does have a kind of magnetic draw. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. You paint your bald spot? What bald spot? Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where it's another beautiful October day.

California got sunshine.

As does Oregon. it's uh just continuing on this kind of i mean it's kind of like in the movie when they say it's everything's quiet a little too quiet it's like this weather is beautiful a little too beautiful like for us to live on this planet going forward i mean it's it's both lovely to have it be like 80 degrees at this time of october and also sort of unsettling as you might imagine we We hope that things will be very settled here for episode 3,793 in a collector's series.

Let the fun begin.

Speaking of our changing climate and our changing planet, you know how it's getting warmer. It's going to be very hot, going to be very uncomfortable for everybody. Well, some Utes in London who are part of a group that wants to end world oil consumption decided to get the attention of the world by throwing cans of Heinz tomato soup on the Van Gogh painting Sunflowers, a painting that hangs in the Tate Gallery, I believe, and is worth something like $82 million, a very famous work of art. And when I first heard about this, I was sort of aghast, but then I learned a small detail about the whole thing, and it made We think this is actually maybe the perfect protest.

From my point of view, it's a beautiful story. I love your story.

So we'll talk about that also. A Fox News bro, Fox biz bro, that is to say, on Fox Business News, was complaining about inflation and claimed that he spent $28 for a lunch at Taco Bell. I might have tacos when I go home. I'm not quite sure yet. And so then Patrick Redford from Defector decided to go out and actually spend $28 on Taco Bell lunch and see what that actually gets you. And so we will report back on that. Plus, it's a Friday, so we got some music for your weekend. And we've got this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

Oh, yeah.

He's baby-stepping. He's doing the work. He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining us right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. Don't take that sip of water that you usually take when you're done with your spiel. And it's time for me to talk because I'm tossing it right back to you. You mentioned that. Well, I'm happy that you're tossing it back to me. But I'm sad that I have to report that a kind of a folk character within the world, within the TBTL universe. Not somebody that we knew personally, but just somebody who we thought was pretty hilarious. Has passed away. Mike Shank from the amazing documentary American Movie. The kind of sidekick to Mark Borchert. So, of course, American Movie was this documentary about a couple of guys in Wisconsin, particularly this guy, Mark, who's obsessed with trying to make a horror film, which he insists is pronounced Coven instead of Coven, which is sort of like strike one on the whole process. And he's just this like endlessly entertaining kind of ridiculous character.

But then he's got this like ride or die buddy who's just down for anything, who like just everybody needs one of these people in their life. He's just like, yeah, whatever you need, I'm here for you and not living what seemed to be a particularly, let's just say, ambitious life. But Mike Schenck was the person who famously generated this audio from that film.

I had a bottle of vodka. He had a bottle of vodka. But anyway, we were drinking vodka and I was so happy that I found someone who would drink vodka with me.

You know, Mike also plays his like classical guitar as part of the soundtrack of the film. He is featured as one of the horrific screams that's used as like audio dubbing later. Like they need recording of someone screaming in horror and they use Mike. And it's amazing because the scream does not match the body at all. He has passed away at the age of 56 years old in Milwaukee. this was reported by the Milwaukee record so R.I.P. Mike Schenk I have to say I was oddly fascinated with this guy throughout the last 20 years

of my life. That was weird I was just going to ask you what you're planning on having for lunch today but that is sad news I loved that documentary I think that's a documentary that you and I both loved kind of independently right when we got to know each other and thought oh yeah that's something we can bond over but now it's been a really long time um since i've seen it but um and the movie is some of those movies kind of walk the line of kind of exploitation of people right do we feel like sure it's been a long time since i've re-watched that um but i i feel like that movie uh handled handled the subject of quirky outsider artists with love and respect at least that's my memory of it yeah i mean certainly it's

part of why it's so mesmerizing to watch is because it is a bunch of people that are living a pretty different reality than, than like you or I are living. But I do think it's handled pretty lovingly. Certainly the main protagonist, this guy, Mark, who's like trying to make these horror films. He's a person who is very okay with them filming him. You know, he's very into being on camera and, uh, it would seem that his kind of quirks and all that are very, they were, I think that they were accurately represented in the film and you sort of develop this this odd affection for him and then mike too just comes off as the uh i'll actually read you directly from the this was written by matt wild uh in uh like i said the milwaukee record he described uh let me see if i can get to the uh here we go he says um shank was a unique character a loyal and laid-back pal and a talented guitarist um like i guess that laid-back powell thing kind of laid-back powell thing kind of stuck in my mind because he just was this very calming presence again just kind of like down for whatever this his friend mark was going to get into and you knew mike would just be like kind of along for the ride which made him to me a very likable character in the film now the other thing that i thought was interesting in reading this piece that um matt wilde wrote was that you know that audio we just played of mike shank talking about drinking vodka and how he basically he and the other guy mark became friends because they just both wanted to drink vodka together this guy mike shank he got sober and he was like the critical member of the alano club in milwaukee which is a place for sober people to go and get support and everything he'd been sober for 27 years so clearly at some point not long after the film wrapped he ended up actually getting sober, and it became a really big part of his life. And he sounds like he really helped a lot of other folks. And that is incredible to me, because I can only imagine how easy it would be you're living again, a kind of a pretty quiet existence in Wisconsin. He's not somebody who seemed overly ambitious about life. And there are a lot of people, I mean, particularly the state of wisconsin perennially leads the nation in alcohol consumption per capita he obviously had an affection for vodka at some point there could have been another version of this guy's life where he just kind of quietly wasted away in that basement and he actually decided to do something that is really hard and that i tried to do unsuccessfully with a lot more you might say externally on the line um and that's not getting into a value judgment about what anyone's life is quote unquote worth but i just mean he made a decision stuck with it and it changed his life and changed a lot of other people's lives which i think is a really freaking cool postscript to this guy mike shank who i would not have expected that from is it do you think that the decision

was based on seeing himself in that movie is there any indication that would be total speculation on

my part um so i don't i just i don't know i'm this is all coming from this one piece that i that I read.

um about him so i don't i don't know if that how he how he felt about his portrayal in the movie i know that he and mark would do things with letterman sometimes after this movie came out so i you know i think he did have a sort of a there was a a bit of time where they were he and mark were kind of in demand as as being kind of these quirky characters but i just thought that was a really impressive i mean it's impressive to me when anyone makes that choice for themselves um and i thought it was because he doesn't come off in the movie like someone who would ever have a thought oh my life is one way it could be a different way let me do let me pursue something so it's different he just seems so unperturbed and so like hey i'm just going with the flow that the idea that he also uh became this sober person and was really a central part of this one particular uh i think it's alano club or alano club i've just seen the name i've seen it written on windows i don't know how it's pronounced i just thought that was a very cool and surprising

thing about this guy's life this is a dumb question but this is different than alanon right

you're not talking about the alanon program no it's no it's a l a n o that's the word and my sense is that it's it's either connected to aa or adjacent to it it's very i believe it's very similar in fact i'm looking at their the the milwaukee uh alano club website and amidst their like the picture is the what we consider to be the aa logo so they may actually be literally

associated with aa but do you know that i blame um alcohol recovery programs um for the fact that

i'm not a major league ball player right now wow i thought you were gonna say you credit them for why you work effectively in talk radio because no because listening to those aa tapes yeah now how did it keep you out of the out of the show how did it keep you from getting your cup

of coffee no i mean the i mean the only question is not could i or would i have been an mlb player but would i still be playing at the ripe old age of 45 and i would you be a justin verlander type yeah and i think that there's a there's a chance i'd still be playing i mean it really depends on how many records i would have broken along the lines but yeah no there was somebody in my family who struggled with addiction and i was in little league at the time and i remember having a conversation kind of one of those conversations where you're a kid and then the parents are kind of sitting you down and talking to you very seriously not like i was in trouble or anything um but just kind of like and and you could just tell that something serious was being discussed and then it became like listen we we want you to go to this kind of support group for families and join us in this thing but it means that you won't be playing um little league anymore and i remember during the entire conversation again i'm a little kid i think maybe this conversation happened after dinner it's funny how these things like kind of stick in your head i think we're sitting around the dinner table and um i had the napkin on my lap and i kind of didn't realize it until the end of the conversation that i had been pulling little bits of napkin off and turning them into little bb's and then i looked down at the table and i just had this whole thing i got you think i got some issues i just had like all these little paper bb's laying on the table in front of me and i'm

like okay so much about why you don't like taking your shoes off of people's houses suddenly makes

sense to me i'll give up my dreams of being in the big leagues now here's the i mean that is a true story i do remember being somewhat disappointed but the thing is that surprises me honestly for as much as I like did I enjoy sports because I don't feel like I did I feel like it was something that I felt like I had to do like school or anything else but like you know I remember like I played soccer as a kid I remember going on um you know like they would make you I mean you know this well almost any sport they'd make you like do laps around the soccer field right like I just remember just hating life just thinking like lord if you're gonna take me take me now like I don't Take me five minutes ago. Don't take me after I do these laps. Why am I? Why does it taste like batteries? Why am I running in the snow around this field? But I must have enjoyed baseball. Or maybe I just felt incredibly awkward, you know, when adults are talking to a kid, asking them to kind of make an adult decision or something along those lines. I remember just being kind of like shocked by the whole thing. And then, yeah, so I took off that year from Little League. I don't know what year that would have been. I want to say third or fourth grade. And then, you know, Luke, at that age, once you're out of the game, not everybody's a Tom Wilhelmson. It's a merry-go-round.

And once you get off of it, it just keeps spinning. But how do you get back on?

Exactly. I've still been trying to get back on. But honestly, at age 45, I think maybe it's time for me to kind of give up the ghost on that. There's a lot of good young players out there.

Have you seen The Rookie starring Dennis Quaid?

Actually, I have not. The Star Whackers have. Wait, no, not Dennis Quaid. No, that's the other one.

Randy Quaid.

Sorry, okay, okay. Then the start.

That's based on a true story, by the way, of a guy who was a, had been, you know, a pitcher, had never made the big leagues, was a coach of like a high school team. And his, I think the story goes that his players like talked him into going to an open tryout and he actually ended up getting into the minors and then getting to the majors and then pitching, being a relief pitcher in the majors for a few years.

Huh. You know, when you said that at first, I was like, oh, wait, I have seen it. That's where they smash the home run into the lights. but that's The Natural, I believe, right? Is that Kevin Costner?

No, The Natural is Robert Redford. Robert Redford, right, right.

Field of Dreams is Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner. Which that movie, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this without... The thing about movies, especially, I think, sports movies that people grew up with, even if they're not that great of a movie, if you saw it at a certain age, it is almost sacred to you. Me not being a big sport-o, having missed my chance to enter the majors, of course, um i don't think that i really bonded with any sports movies that i can think of but like if you go back and watch them as an adult um in 2022 you're like this movie isn't good like i can't say that in front of people like the sandlot i'm sorry i i'm not trying to steal anybody's childhood but there are people who the sandlot is so important to them and i love that for you i love that for you and i wish i had that kind of bond with a movie other than 1989's batman but But I'm a man of few words, but those words will count. So will my actions. But anyway, yeah, like the Sandlot is just terrible. I tried to watch it a couple of seasons ago. It's just like it just starts. I mean, I watched maybe 10 minutes of it and I was like, I can't. I can't with this. And my guess is Field of Dreams is similar, right? I know that that's kind of sacred ground.

Yeah, I have. I saw Field of Dreams when I was a kid and, you know, I loved baseball. So I think I probably and also I saw The Natural when I was a kid, again, as a kid who was pretty baseball obsessed. So I bet you I was really into both of those movies really because of preexisting conditions in my life, which was loving baseball. And also we were rarely allowed to see movies like that. But I think my parents were like, well, The Natural, this is pretty wholesome, right? like it's yeah um and so i bet you i'm with you that if i went back and watched either of those movies i think i would probably struggle with some of the i would say kind of earnestness and broadness and things like that in it that isn't stuff i usually go in for uh in a movie now i also wasn't i'm trying to think if there was a sports movie i was a little too old for the sand lot i think and um also i was like too old for the mighty ducks and things like that so i don't the the only sports movie that made a huge impression on me was major league oh right of course you love major league yes i i absolutely was obsessed i mean we would peter williams and i would watch it like you know a couple of times a week sometimes just because we were so into it but now the problem is reality and and fiction have blended in my mind because there is a player on this then known as the cleveland indians team who's i believe his name is serrano and he's actually the guy from the all-state commercials oh yeah the president in 24 the guy who's also the president on like 24 yeah this is like a young version of that guy and he plays this this this like you know slugger who is sort of cursed he can't hit a curveball and he he has some kind of a deity named jobu that he prays to i mean it's the casual racism is probably off the charts with this thing but he is yordan alvarez in my mind i assume that yordan alvarez has a shrine like i don't know what yordan alvarez's speaking voice sounds like but basically like serrano who is made up and yordan alvarez who is unfortunately very real

become the same person in my mind it's a demon that haunts your nightscapes i mean every time

yordan alvarez comes to the plate i imagine him saying fuck you joe boo which is the critical moment for the character serrano in major league when he basically like moves past his his whatever his kind of mental slash religious hang-up is with the curveball and then of course you know is liberated to smash dingers i so i can't every time yordan alvarez comes up i'm just like oh my

god serrano's gonna kill us again i'm trying to figure out here if there are any sports movies that i really like and i you know like bull durham is often mentioned i think that boulder you know i remember seeing bull durham but the first time i saw that i believe i was in college and i think that's a that's a good movie but i don't spend a lot of time you know kind of thinking about it um i guess you know money ball comes i think money ball is a good film yeah money ball is a good film not to turn this too much boy i was really trying not to talk about baseball today but here we are talking about baseball I'll move. But I guess it's just on the mind. But the thing that bothers me about is it ends so heroically. But that movie and that book came out, what, 10 more than 10 years ago now. And they still haven't they still haven't made it even to the World Series, I think. So it's sort of like it's like celebrated as this big change in the way we think about baseball. And it was a big change in the way we think about baseball and stats. And I know some of the people associated with that have now gone on and influenced other teams and organizations. But it's just like there's it's like this movie that follows the structure of a happy Hollywood ending, but it's based on real life and it doesn't really pay off. And I'm maybe I'm even a little Luke Burbankian that I'm very literal on that. And I'm just like, it just, it seems like they really had to twist themselves up in circles to kind of give it a Hollywood ending, given the actual reality of the world.

Yeah, I'm so tempted to go into a deep conversation about trends in baseball, because what's funny is it's really a home run hitters game now. Like, there's very little value seen in batting average, which is crazy. Batting average was always the, like, statistic that you cared about when I was a kid. basically it would seem that like what what that guy billy bean did was got the absolute most you can get out of and a very very very underpaid relatively underpaid you know roster of players um so that's notable and interesting but you're right it doesn't actually get you to the world series and the game has really i think actually kind of repudiated the idea of moneyball in a lot of ways if you look at the teams that are winning they're not winning because they are have a bunch of contact hitters they're winning because they have serrano aka yordan alvarez crushing my dreams speaking of non-cinematic endings andrew while we've been talking i've been doing some research on the movie the rookie starring dennis quaid so dennis quaid's character is based on a real guy his name was jim morris right and as i had mentioned this guy jim morris was actually drafted in the amateur baseball draft in 1982 um he was uh taken 466 overall he suffered some arm injuries and he never got past the single a minor leagues so flash forward to years and years later he is coaching like i think a high school team and he made a promise to his team that he would try out for major league baseball if his team won the district championship something the team had never accomplished before the team goes on to win the title so he keeps his bargain by attending the tampa bay devil rays tryout um uh the scout was not interested in morris but gave him a tryout solely to let morris keep his promise to his players surprisingly morris discovered that despite his age he was able to throw 12 consecutive 98 mile an hour fastballs after much debate with his family he signed a professional contract with the devil rays at the age of 35 started out in double a got to triple a and ended up pitching in the majors on september 18th 1999 against royce clayton of texas rangers he made his debut striking clayton out on four pitches he made four more appearances later that year now here's andrew where it becomes less cinematic morris made 16 major league appearances in 2000 during which his arm problems recurred uh reoccurred his final appearance came and i don't i'm guessing the movie the rookie doesn't end on this scene his final appearance came on may 9th 2000 at yankee stadium he entered a tie game in the bottom of the 10th with the bases loaded and issued a game ending rbi to his first batter paul o'neill

after which the rays released him oh yeah so wait a second that was 2000 i didn't realize that the rookie wait we're talking about the movie the rookie not rookie of the year right not rookie

of the year which is where a kid has just like a crazy strong arm for some reason they like a 12

year old play in the 80s when you so the rookie came out in 2002 i'm looking here okay i thought the rookie was a movie that came out in like the early 90s that we sort of grew up with but i was

wrong about that no it's a it's a it's a little bit it was a little newer than that even though it's still you know i you might be thinking of movie ed starring matt leblanc and a monkey that pitch i assure you i came out i think in like 1990 why something that is a really good point

i know that you say that i do remember that being a thing maybe because we've talked about on the show but um i for the past i don't know five minutes i've been scrolling through the internet many websites looking at the the top you know people's top 10 or top 20 lists of sports movies of all times how has that that has not appeared on any list how is ed being erased let me god

Ed Erasure is real, Andrew. Hoosiers is here. Rocky. You got Rudy. I have not seen him. Hold on. I've got the – I'm 100% sure this will not pay off.

but i am going to see if we can play after yet another commercial they've really monetized the ed official trailer with a lot of pre-roll ads on youtube okay can i just play you this is a movie where i've never seen it but my the sense i have the cover of the move of the video is matt leblanc high-fiving a monkey they're both dressed in the same uniform i'm presuming that somehow the monkey learns how to play baseball i don't know let's let's find out together i practice i was an ace

i couldn't miss but in the game tell me you ain't gonna throw the curve tip

you ain't gonna throw the curve tip things were going from bad to worse a little word to the wise you choke you croak until someone came along i'm supposed to pick up a ball player

to lend me a hand by the way this is matt leblanc doing

is he gonna do a cressy door ad after this yeah yeah i know the energy level is a little bit low

Hello, Mariners fans. This is Matt LeBlanc for the movie Ed.

Turn the volume up a little bit on your end. Meet Ed Sullivan. Welcome forward, dude. He can catch.

He can throw.

He can swing.

Ed, get down. Suppose you drive, too.

And now he's turning Jack's luck around. On the field.

And off. And off.

He's a great friend.

lucky jack tell me about it i wish i could tell you the things the monkey's doing in this movie

well i can hear he's catching and he's throwing what is what position is he playing they haven't

established that i think he's probably kind of a utility guy i think you can probably you know get some left field out of him but also some five second base is he a five tool monkey he five tool monkey the decent show title there's clearly a point where he's also helping fix matt leblanc's love life because matt leblanc this woman who is clearly someone matt leblanc is interested in says he's a good friend and matt leblanc goes yes he is and then you see the monkey is on the couch watching a movie with his arm around clearly the daughter of the single mom

that matt leblanc is trying to date gosh that raises that's i'm sorry that raises some issues

as i've established i'm not a big marijuana guy but i'm really tempted tonight to eat like four gummies and watch ed yeah i feel like that could be a transcendent experience for me as someone

who's not a marijuana guy i would suggest starting with one my friend don't don't do one viewing of ed one gummy one viewing of ed don't be like who is who's the new york times columnist that everybody loves to dunk on who like went to denver in 2014 and ate a whole brownie by herself Oh my gosh, Marine Dowd? Marine Dowd, yeah, don't doubt it.

Do you know that I'm, do you know what? No doubt about it, my friend.

Okay, there's a good show title.

I'm actually doing a TV story, so we do this food episode on CBS Sunday morning. It's usually like the week of, like the Sunday before Thanksgiving, and I am doing a story about cannabis cooking, which is a real emerging kind of culinary thing, people that are just making all kinds of high-end food but integrating cannabis into it and um so i'm gonna be you know getting a demonstration from a kind of renowned chef at this but also i'm gonna be eating a lot of cannabis laced food so i was telling the producer anthony i was like i'm fine with that he was like are you cool with eating cannabis food i was like 100 but i was like but we need to get everything that we need before i start eating the like pot brownies because i am a lightweight and i am going to completely time travel after about 20 minutes so like let's just

make sure that's the final shot yeah and they should know i mean i don't i assume that they would go easy anyway but they should definitely know that because like in all seriousness like you um you know you don't know what it is somebody who doesn't have a lot of experience in that realm like you don't want to just be jumping off the deep end on that so but again if this is high end stuff i assume that they're just i actually don't quite maybe i'll watch your piece maybe i'll watch your piece for once in my goddamn life i don't know would it kill you um i don't understand the appeal as as somebody who does understand the appeal of being high on marijuana you like food

and you like cannabis but i don't miss in your food is an interest it's i'm actually not i'm also a little bit unsure what it's solving for yeah like you know i understand the idea of a

gummy um or any or maybe even a little candy or having some some like making it you know kind of And I said, oh, maybe you're somebody who likes chocolate, so you eat a little piece of chocolate that is infused. Or like I used to go to this place in L.A. and I would get these little gummy bears when I had a medical card there and they had these little gummy bears you could buy. And I loved them when things got legalized for recreation in Washington and some other states. I think they kind of I don't know if this is still the.

still the fact of the matter but i think they tried to make the candies less fun and childlike so as to not get them in the hands of children or or confuse children who might find an errant one you know which which makes sense but i was telling thieves the other day this is this is so bananas do you remember i bought a bag of gummy bears they made some of them look like an excel spreadsheet right yeah yeah they made them look like it like an excedrin um i what's the thing a kid would be least likely to one. Yeah, I've got a headache this big. This one looks like a graphing calculator. Okay. Anyway, do you remember the other day I bought a bag of just like regular gummy bears, right? I just bought those. I remember.

I saw it on Instagram.

And it made me, I bought it just because I wanted some gummy bears, but then later I told V's I was looking at a gummy bear and I was like, you know, I used to buy those gummy bears in LA and you would just eat one and one would do you. But I said like it's funny, I miss those things a lot. Like I can I can eat this gummy bear that I'm holding right now and then smoke a joint or eat another edible or something. And it's like all I've done is eaten at edible or, you know, I've eaten a non edible and then found another way to get high. But there was something about like I miss eating a gummy bear that gets me high, which is kind of a weird thing. Does that make sense to you? I'm sort of giggling over myself.

That was an enjoyable way for you to introduce it into your system.

Yeah, whereas I could – right now I have the capability in a state where it's legal just to eat a regular gummy bear and then get high, but somehow it wasn't the same thing. Well, you know what it's like?

It's like the difference between dipping a chip in salsa and eating it or eating – chewing a chip up and then also putting some salsa in your mouth. It's like sometimes you want to get – the experience is kind of happening together for whatever reason, even though ultimately you could put some cereal in your mouth and then drink some milk and you could kind of be getting the same thing. But you'd rather it was all coming together at the same time.

Having said that, I don't know if I can totally sign off on those analogies, but I having said that, I don't get the appeal and I'm not I'm not criticizing. I literally just don't get the appeal of of like people making these kind of fancy meals where everything is a little bit infused. And I have a friend actually who went to something. I don't know if it was something that her friends cooked up or if she went to an actual place that specializes in it. But it had like a big fancy meal where everything was infused. And I kind of – I wasn't sure like at the end are you just sort of – I don't know. I just wasn't sure is it like a very, very light touch. And so you just sort of as the meal goes on, you sort of get a little bit of a buzz but it's not overwhelming. Is it the opposite of that? Are people kind of getting – also, I'm not a huge snacker. anyway but since the stereotype is hey you get high and then you want to munch on something if you've gotten high by eating a big meal do you still want to munch on non-marijuana stuff afterwards these are all questions that i hope you'll explore and that i get an associate producer

credit for absolutely and i will be finding out all of those things this just came into my inbox the other day so i haven't really read as we say read in on it yeah but i will say that a thing that is always along with the fact that i just don't have a lot of experience with therefore can't really handle myself great around weed cannabis whatever you want to call it um there's also the fact that i already probably make terrible food decisions at night and it's only exacerbated by me smoking weed i am very much that stereotype of like if i ever do that i then like food with weed in it i feel like i could eat an entire pan of lasagna if i was high like if there's weed in the lasagna forget it's over for the lasagna yeah right and then i will murder that eating more it

seems dangerous right like you shouldn't be just like horfing down stuff that is going to put you

more and more into that state it seems like one time i was hanging out with my friend evan and this was at my place in bellingham and we had ordered jimmy johns and one of the things that jimmy johns makes is like almost like a party sub and i think i had ordered like we each had like a normal size sub sandwich and then for some reason i was probably tuned up i had also ordered the kind of really long one it's not fully like you know you go to like a work birthday party in the break room and there's like actually like four feet of sub it's not that big but it was enormous It was easily as big as two entire foot-long sub sandwiches. I had already consumed a sub sandwich, and then I told Evan, I was like, I can eat an unlimited amount of this stuff. He goes, no, you can't. I go, I will bet you I feel like the number was $100 I can finish this double sub. And I proceeded to just like a cartoon, unhinge my jaw and eat an additional two feet of sub sandwich. Like Homer Simpson just like sleeping. Total Homer Simpson. I can't stay mad at you. I kept throwing the sandwich out But then it would call me back to the garbage can I mean it is I really think I could I would have be like a i wouldn't be like one of the better competitive eaters but i think if i really trained i could i could really like i could win a couple of those contests where it's like if you eat this steak it's free i can consume a shocking amount of food in one sitting if i'm really feeling hungry and whatever so all that is to say i don't know if i trust myself around a lot of weed infused

Food yeah well in all seriousness You should just make sure that Everybody knows what you're and I'm sure that Because of all kinds of Liability issues I'm sure oh yeah the producers Will be careful with this but just you know Know what you're getting into and make sure that They know who you know yeah I mean

These honestly are like The folks that That we're talking to one of them is described as the Martha Stewart of Cannabis cooking they're very Like careful and Mellow around this stuff as opposed to like i kind of feel like this is a weird place to take the conversation but like the more in my experience the more into like micro brews and all the wide range of kinds of beers there are for someone in my experience usually the less interested in being stone drunk they are oh of course yeah which is why i rarely go to those places because i'm often interested in being stone drunk same kind of like wine tasting as well right i mean yeah totally like there is this kind of appreciation of something like oh i you know i i have i'm very interested in the kind of process of how this beer is made and the different tasting notes and the and there are those folks and i'm i'm sort of envious of those people because i think they have a much more healthy relationship with sure booze than i do they'll go somewhere and they'll have like two beers and they'll try two different kinds because it's on their bucket list and they'll just like and they'll be fine i'm that's not my relationship with drinking and um i feel like these cannabis people that i'm going to be interviewing are more like the micro brew people yeah they're interested in this as a culinary experience if they wanted to just be you know high as balls they would just be doing you know a gravity bong somewhere right that's my hope anyway also i'm looking at this high cookery.com website and i want to eat every single there's like a kind of a auto loaded video at the top it's actually a very cool shot it's like an above shot of this table that's got all this really amazing food spread out on it and um uh i'm excited about this so anyway all right

speaking by the way just very quickly here i was gonna say speaking of martha stewart and of course

her uh three new although now they're passing a joint around which is like come on guys a little

on the nose are they really i'm not even kidding you sorry go back to where i was just gonna say i do want to confirm that we get we got the text message we will be picking up bingo our new kitten tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. Are you going to be like a kid on Christmas Eve tonight? I'm very excited. Genevieve has just, I mean, I think I literally saw her with stars in her eyes today. She was like, right, she was like putting it down on the kilner. She was just like, I just caught her daydreaming, sort of staring into the kind of middle distance upward. Just she is beside herself. I'm excited too. I've decided because like, you know, potentially the, you know, potentially the last playoff game for the Mariners would be tomorrow. If it's if it's bad news, it'll be the last one. And I, you know, it's finally on a Saturday instead of these two like weekday games at noon. I was like, OK, well, maybe I'm going to try to make it and get together with some friends at a bar somewhere and do this. And I was trying to prioritize that. But I felt a little bit weird about like bringing a brand new kitten home and then saying, like, see you later. And daddy's going to go out and get a pack of cigarettes. suckers um and uh and then the more i think about it especially because we lost yesterday i realized like well listen if the mariners lose tomorrow i don't need to be around a bunch of people for that if the mariners win tomorrow then there's more games to potentially celebrate so i think that i'm just gonna like get this kitten bring this kitten home um stay home watch the i'm not gonna skip the game but watch the game with bingo maybe as opposed to i don't know going going to a

bar again but you're surprised by that huh well only because i don't think the cat will have a memory of if it's first afternoon at your house if you were gone for the mariners but on the other hand i was the one who you know last week was like i'm just gonna stay home and watch with my cat and i'm yeah and i'm bored with this cat it's not even like you don't even like the new cat smell is worn off so i totally get that impulse um i mean i could change my mind but the thing is

like right now i don't i assume that there would be like some sort of a natural draw like people being like okay well let's get together let's do it but like so far actually haven't heard from anybody i think a lot of mariners fans are bummed and like i say if tomorrow's a loss then you know i think that i think my draw of wanting to be around people is in case the mariners do something really special which is why saturday's watch party at t-mobile park was exactly what i wanted it was an impossible come from behind win and I got to lose my

goddamn mind and voice with you know 7400 other people uh which was special but like i know that tomorrow is not going to be that i mean we could win and survive to play another game or we could lose and that'll finally end the season but like i don't feel like i'm going to be missing out on any kind of like amazing sports right it's not my life pivotal i mean it's pivotal in that if we

don't win we're done but it's not it's not the game five or something like that that kind of make sense to me i think would also be hilarious if you decided to go to the game and then for the rest of your time with bingo he was much more bonded to genevieve because of the critical six hours in which they were home playing and cuddling exactly you were off getting lit and then he just always is like daddy's daddy smells mad why does daddy smell like medicine yeah he come home with A little Jim on your breath and like it just like forever changes the sort of tone of your relationship with this cat.

And another maybe factor in this is also – and again, we can bring the cat home and settle him into a room and leave for a couple of hours. But Genevieve also has a work event on Saturday. So now the tables could be turned. Okay. Now Andy and Bingo are chilling out, putting on the Mariners game bonding. Steal one on the road, dude. yes exactly that slip i mean i then i changed the number one dad i changed the locks on the house genevieve can't get in you post some photoshopped pictures of genevieve just like harming cats just i take the movie poster of that um what is it the internet don't hurt cats on the internet don't f with cats don't f with cats i photoshopped genevieve's face on the cover of

that movie absolutely yeah no i mean i think you could honestly you could pull far into the lead for most favorite parent status just throughout saturday afternoon i think the good news is uh

it's very clear that genevieve and i are both entering this with the right intentions

all right uh let's enter this break which we're a bit overdue for um and then we will be back with a couple top stories and some music for your weekend here on tbtl all right let's thank our daily donors these are the wonderful generous folks making today's episode possible supporting the show month in and month out and we sure do appreciate it we appreciate people like jill casasola in miami beach florida oh nice i've been having a couple

people check in yeah from uh the 315 let me ask you a question miami versus miami beach they are of a part i know they're not the same exact community but they are

yes jacens next to each other okay by the way the 315 is syracuse how could i forget But how could I forget Miami area code? I stayed there for a while. It is 305. Sorry. God, please, Jill, do not take your donation back just because I mangled the area code for Miami. The 305. Yeah, Miami Beach. I'm looking at it now. Yeah, that makes sense. It's definitely part of the same region. Yeah. Thanks, Jill. Erica Sparkenbaugh is in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. I don't think I've ever been to Chapel Hill.

Me neither, but you were just talking about that's part of the research triangle, too.

Yeah, we had Durham coming up on the show the other day.

Wow, everything's kind of, yeah.

There's a lot of parallels. I feel like if you go to Chapel Hill, though, you better be ready to, you better have some powder blue on. You better be ready to support the Tar Heels. I feel like they will escort you outside the city limits if you express any anti-Tar Heel sentiments.

Do you think that they use powder blue to offset the the darkness of tar that's a good question i will say that i love that color i think

it's an absolutely rad color for your kind of college athletics um thanks erica also joseph rangstorf is in paul's bow washington this is joe who was on jeopardy oh joe yes i know joe from twitter and joe has like sent us i think some videos of like is driving around with his kids in the car or like call i think called in and left a voicemail with the kids in the car uh which is not to be confused with the kids in the hall it's a totally different thing kids in the hall

driving around drinking coffee is that the show you're talking about yep that's that's the show

i'm thinking of starring joe thanks joseph appreciate you also molly litke is in toledo

ohio ah toledo the future's so bright you got to wear shades i'm only saying that nobody would know why I'm saying that the only school that I visited as a potential college for myself other than Kent State where I ended up was the University of Toledo and they showed we all sat in an auditorium and as an introduction they showed a student made film that was showing all of the fun times one can have at Toledo University or the University of Toledo I should say and it was set to the song the future so bright you got to wear shades and There were a lot of students wearing sunglasses in the video. So if you happen to have made a video for the University of Toledo in 1994 to the soundtrack of that song, let me know because it looms large in my head.

Now, I've been looking up where the sort of exclamation, holy Toledo comes from. According to the Internet, in the 20s and 30s, Toledo was a sanctuary for gangsters. They made an agreement with the police that if the police would leave them alone, they would leave Toledo alone. Since this provided a sanctuary, the gangsters called the city Holy Toledo.

Didn't we just hear that about a different city? Almost like a Vatican kind of parallel or something.

But didn't we just hear this about another city in the Midwest that was also considered to be a place where you could kind of get away with whatever as long as you didn't make any trouble? I mean, was that like St. Paul or something? I feel like it was either Minneapolis or St. Paul

The game was Is this a twin city or a different city And I'm sorry I'm blanking on the listener

So that was a summer game

It was a summer game and I think The answer was no that city In question was not St. Paul I feel like it was an Ohio city But my brain is so bad I don't know Holy Toledo Let me see if I can actually get you an answer to that by the end of the show

Alright thank you Molly Appreciate you Thanks also to Mitchon McCabe

here in portland oregon hey you know the rules oh yeah oh yeah shout out to listener annie who knew the rules yesterday when she saw me at teddy's drinking and watching the ball game she

and shout out to listeners lauren and sarah and also uh our friend lynn who were at live wire last night and then obeyed the rules by telling me after the show that they were there exactly

appreciate that yes although you being on stage i think there's an assumption that never assume there's no uh what is it there's no there's no expectation of privacy the privacy exactly yes

no i i um i uh i still appreciate don't ever assume that i know i'm being watched uh so please do identify yourself thanks me sean also thanks to anna marie jackie of mount lake terrace washington thank you anna marie thanks to all of our donors for today for making this episode

possible do you have an answer to the question no i'm gonna i'm getting very close though i it was listener susan who um made that quiz and i have a note here from my show sheet that i sent the email to you because you were quizzing me so i mean but now there's no chance no no i will have it in my email in my sent folder so uh or my whatever i watch this space we will update this before the show i will yes break in with breaking news

hello and welcome to top story all right um i saw this headline today and i was like this is big news that protesters at london national gallery threw cans of tomato soup on van gogh's sunflower painting sunflowers and i saw a photo of this and i was like dude this is a big deal like they have straight up ruined this almost priceless piece of art that is like really famous but i feel what the headlines did not fully explain was it's covered in glass it's now completely fine and the update from the bbc van gogh's sunflowers back on display after soup has been cleaned off of it all of the headlines and even the photographs made it seem like these people had destroyed or very grievously is that a word that i grievously maybe they've they've they've they've done great harm to this famous painting and what you had to read about eight paragraphs into every article to find out was no because there's protective glass my thought was like how is this thing not under glass i for the answer is it is and it was easily cleaned

off for the record and i will admit i did not read this story but i did see the story um this morning as i just kind of woke up and was scrolling through various things and on the new york times they made it very clear in the sub headline that the painting was okay like the subject line was you know um environmental activist throw tomato soup on painting and then the sub headline was the painting was not damaged except for a little damage to the frame so i kind of knew that but it did get me thinking even before i knew it was going to be on the show sheet and of course here i was just thinking about it having read to headlines about it i was thinking about our conversation the other day about going to extreme measures when you have a message that you feel is so important that even a how much did you say this painting is worth i saw a number like in the 80 million range right right and it god damn it walsh don't take it here i was just thinking like even if they had damaged this painting okay and i don't know anything about this organization and i'm not i'm not advocating for this either but it just got me thinking and my brain started whirling right i started thinking like i saw a photo of two of these protesters i don't know if more were involved or not but it looked like they were young younger people as i get older everybody looks like younger people but they look like younger people yeah i think they were in there they were late teens or early 20s and so I'm thinking to them like this I mean to a lot of people but but to them in this instance I mean this is an existential crisis they must be thinking even if I damage this painting who gives a shit if the earth isn't gonna be here yeah okay yeah like even if the earth isn't here this value has if there's no humans on earth this painting has no value like what is valuable to them right but then I started thinking about and this is why i was hesitating there i think about people um who i grew up with who who believe who truly truly truly believe that when you get an abortion you are killing a child which is not how i see the world and you think well then you see extremism on that side too because to them even though i think they're wrong in their thinking on that to them they are literally saving lives you know and then you start thinking about what the extreme what the extremism is because then i think about their extremism i'm like well that's just ridiculous right But meanwhile, it's clear that, like, what we're doing is destroying this goddamn planet. And I don't have any kids. Like, it's not. I mean, this sounds awful. But, like, it's not me who's going to have to be doing the cleanup or living with the consequences of what we're doing to this planet. It's these young people who are just, like, doing everything they can to scream at us, to scream at us. Yeah. You're killing us, you know?

Literally what they were saying. Demonstrator Phoebe Plummer. By the way, the big problem for me was I was reading Metro UK, who did not do a great job of mentioning that the painting was protected. It's not the New York Times of newspapers. It is certainly not. So and this was before the painting was back up and, you know, sort of working. So I think that's where I was deriving a lot of my kind of confusion around, like, why aren't we making it more clear? I mean, I think they also know that it's a more interesting story if the painting is permanently damaged, hence burying that important piece of info, at least these folks. because it's a real click-baity website. One demonstrator, Phoebe Plummer, age 21, said, What's worth more, art or life? Is it worth more than food, more than justice? Are you more concerned about the protection of a painting or the protection of our planet and people? By the way, these two protesters had also glued themselves to the wall, which is a big trend right now, by the way. Yeah, no PETA people were doing that. If that was a stock, I would buy it because this is the go-to. People are gluing themselves to basketball floors and you know like this is this is the new move uh wasn't it like um the the guy from babe

yeah i'm trying to think of his name um james cromwell james cromwell look at you it's an

andrew w friday james cromwell gluing himself to the counter of a starbucks this is the this is kind of the new move um but uh i mean they they they raise i think a point that is extremely worth considering which is like you just said none of this shit matters if we don't have a planet and yet it's also a i think somewhat of a slippery slope because if you go with that kind of if you if if you look at it that way then almost anything that anyone does is justifiable because if the in other words if they see it as being if they think blowing up an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico will cut oil production you know you could make the moral argument for that using basically like the trolley dilemma right you could say these workers on this oil rig they're going to die but more people will have their life saved by earth's continued existence because we've stopped the production of oil right I mean that's an extreme extreme example but it's like on the one hand I totally get what they're saying which is nothing matters If we don't have a planet And I can also see a way in which You know Saying nothing matters if we don't have a planet Could just justify all kinds of behaviors That would be problematic

Yeah, absolutely And also, I'm sorry, I need to jump in here And play this sound effect It's going to be a little harsh I don't have the TBTL breaking news sounder But I did have something called breaking glass So that's what that is I can email you the breaking news too So it's right here.

TVTL Breaking News. It's a little harsh. I think the breaking glass was kind of a nicer sound on the ears on a Friday. I found Susan's true or false quiz from the previous, I believe it was maybe the Winter Games that we did this. And here was the question. It was number six on the quiz for those following along at home. In the 1920s and 30s, you have to know, is this true or false? In the 1920s or 30s, St. Paul was known as a crooks haven because corrupt politicians and police turned a blind eye to gangster activities, including smuggling, racketeering and gambling, and even provided tip offs about FBI raids, all in an effort to keep crime low in St. Paul. Is that true or false? In my memory, I said that was false. But actually, it is true. St. Paul liked to leave. This is why you have the expression, holy St. Paul. It says this was known as the layover agreement in St. Paul because criminals were protected when they laid over in St. Paul.

So there you go. Mystery solved, or at least things have been settled in that department. The last thing I want to say about this protest and why I said at the beginning of the show, I think that it's a beautiful story, is because I actually think, well, first of all, the goal was achieved. by these uh by these folks to draw attention to the fact i mean again will it change the course of human history or whatever will change the course of our society and our world probably not but these two people set out to make a statement about stopping the use of oil and here we are talking about it on this little old podcast so they totally accomplished their goal they got a ton of attention and it's a very visually stunning thing that they did they you know they're they're knelt down glued to the wall in front of this painting that's been defaced but also the painting is fine like they they got the attention that they were looking for again i think for a very a worthy cause and a cause that's worth serious consideration which is the future of being able to live on the planet also the painting is fine i mean except the frame got a little tomato soup on it and they're glued to a wall still i would say you sop that up with a little grilled cheese and you know you're fine this i just thought this was actually kind of like a very very a very good way for this to go they're forcing a bunch of us to have at least a sort of cursory conversation about the the path we're on and also van gogh's sunflowers can be observed in london as we're recording this pretty much just fine and campbell's soup sales of

tomato soup have probably gone up just because people are thinking about for some tomato soup this is a huge change of conversation i apologize if you had more to say on this but i have a confession to make um and i need i'm gonna i need to return to a topic that we talked about like two weeks ago because you were describing something to me and i even went back to the article and i couldn't quite figure it out you explained this on the show and i don't think i was listening closely enough i was probably looking for like susan's true or false quiz or something but can you using your words again detail the different ways to cut a sandwich and why people were upset because I'm pretty sure that every sandwich I've ever made in my life I'm cutting the way people are upset about and I'm not sure why it upsets people wait so again

I think I did a very lousy job of describing this was a thing where a food blogger had made a tomato soup and a grilled cheese sandwich and kind of you know filmed it very artfully and then at the end they just kind of casually cut the grilled cheese sandwich and instead of cutting it it seems like the the agreed way to cut a sandwich in half is either right down the middle of the sandwich right you can

picture that yeah like from as you said kind of from wall to wall if you're picturing a square and you're looking down on it you can cut it from corner to corner or wall to wall right

no top to bottom

oh because the bread isn't a perfect square the bread has a little like loop-de-loop on the top has a little roof on it you don't you want it you always want it to be symmetrical is the point

right but what i'm saying is what people were upset with on the internet was instead of cutting the sandwich from top to bottom she cut it from side to side she cut basically a horizontal line in the sandwich instead of a vertical line and most people say it's either got to be vertical right down the middle or diagonal from corner to corner but never horizontal never like the never like the equator of the sandwich because if you cut it then it's not symmetrical you have

one half of a sandwich that might have the little loop-de-loop on the bread and the bottom half is just has square corners if you're well you want to cut it in a way that the left totally mirrors the right, if you were to set them on top of each other and flip it around, they could totally each other i hadn't i hadn't thought of it that way in terms of the lack of symmetry but you're right that's also a factor i just think it's that nobody thinks to cut a sandwich horizontally so when they saw it happen it was like again it was sort of that website of like things that are what does it make you irrationally mad or yeah yeah mildly infuriating but mildly and it was a mildly infuriating cut because it just doesn't occur to most people to ever cut a sandwich in that

particular way well this is i guess where my confusion is is like i think that so veves and i have been buying kind of like um you know not generic growing up we only bought bread from like the bakery or the bakery section of the grocery store so it was like the stuff that didn't have a lot of preservatives it didn't last very long but it was like kind of a rounded loaf if you can kind of picture that you know like and so the pieces of bread were almost like almost egg shaped except flat on the bottom but now we buy like kind of factory made bread or whatever the factory baked bread um and so the squares that whatever brand we use the squares the pieces of bread are perfectly square basically so from cutting up and down to side by side means nothing to me it looks nothing it look it just it looks like nothing to me right like i understand that some people like to cut it diagonally which i have never done and that seems like a nice thing to do but I wouldn't understand getting upset if somebody doesn't cut a sandwich diagonally but other people are saying hey listen this bread is not a perfect square this bread has some sort of something on it that indicates what the top and bottom is versus left to right and if you're just cutting it left to right and not making it symmetrical that's what's itching people's brains.

I know this is not going to make any sense like I just want to I want to lead with that okay but the idea to me is if you cut a sandwich down the middle you have a right side of the sandwich and a left side of the sandwich and you pick up the right side with your right hand and you eat it and then you probably also pick up the left side with your right hand and eat it if you right hand it like i am if you cut it diagonally you still have sort of a right and a left you have the diagonal you know if you cut it down the middle it's like you have a top and a bottom and there's something about that that just feels wrong to me that's so like i don't want a top and a bottom to the sandwich i want a right and a left it's adam and eve not cut the thing down

the middle andrew that's funny i think like when it's sitting down on the counter i think i cut it left to right but again it doesn't really matter because if i were then to move it over to a plate and spin the plate around you wouldn't know the difference you know it would only be totally if you witnessed the act of me cutting it and actually in this particular instagram video

after she because she cut up like a few sandwiches i think she was making lunch for her family she cuts up a few sandwiches and once she's cut them and stacked them together on the plate you honestly would struggle to note the difference freaking delicious yeah throw a little cannabis in there man you gotta party but so i mean agreed this is all so silly but i will say whereas there are a lot of tempests and teapots on the internet where people are you know just looking for something to talk about or be mad about this was one where legitimately when i saw how she cut the sandwich i was it like did slightly take my breath away and i did watch

the video too and i couldn't i was like is it because like i thought maybe she didn't cut it perfectly down the middle maybe she made one side a little bit bigger than the other i could see that bothering people but whatever it was i it really didn't it really didn't bother me but i also felt like i didn't understand it although this is the type of thing and i'll raise this again although i know that i already told this to you on the show but like well the internet better never see me make a sandwich the in two halves because i am absolutely joker level insane with Because what I've been doing is taking a piece of bread, cutting it in half, making half of a sandwich, taking another piece of bread, cutting it in half, making that half a sandwich.

If you'd like to go viral, may I recommend that you videotape that?

And listen, I'm not trying to step on Dan Pashman's toes here by having like an outsider food take. And I'm also not developing my own pasta. But like I actually think I can make a decent. I didn't notice I was doing it until Genevieve walked in on me doing it one day. And boy, that's a real that'll change your relationship when your partner walks in on you making a sandwich the way the Joker might. But I actually think I can make an argument for it because you can arrange the ingredients on each half of bread better so that like if you make a sandwich and you just cut it in half, chances are the edge around each half is going to be is going to have like kind of more bread than meat and ingredients unless you do it perfectly. Whereas if you can, like, if I'm making a roast beef sandwich and I know, like, I have two pallets, not one pallet that I'm going to cut in half, two pallets, I can make them each perfectly with the amount of meat, lettuce, and tomato on there.

Well, again, I don't think, yeah, once you described it, I don't think that there's anything that's impractical about it. In fact, you could make the argument it's more practical, but it's just.

not what we do traditionally and so to see it or think about it it it's really upsetting for me oh my god i now i now i want a roast beef sandwich i'm so hungry oh can we talk about

i've been obsessed with this thing that becca saw going around this summer which is like considered to be the traditional i think it's kind of big in the south it's just a tomato sandwich now there's part of this that would definitely not work for you it relies heavily on duke's mayonnaise but the the the sandwich is white bread a big a big slice of like delicious like heirloom tomato duke's mayonnaise and a little salt and pepper and that's the sandwich that's it and i tried i made one at my house it was fine although i don't like the mayonnaise i have here

i know this is all lost on you because mayo but but i mean i actually don't i i've stopped telling people to take mayo off of the sandwich like because there's so many i just say no cheese now and if there's mayo on there often i'm just like fine whatever mayo the mayo is a big i think

it's like it's like the third you know leg in the stool that is this sandwich yeah if it's a prominent feature i wouldn't like that yeah i think that's and i think the reason the one i made at my house was not as ideal was because i use well first i didn't use like white bread i just have no like wonder bread white bread or whatever that it's like it's weird because when i was a kid we always had stupid wheat bread sometimes with like you know half sprouted sunflower seeds in it and stuff and i just hated it so much and now i love that kind of stuff it's so much more appealing to me than just like wonder bread or just like kind of white bread um so i used a roll of some kind and then but again i had this organics 365 mayo here that i hate and i always forget that that's the mayo i have and every time i do something that involves mayo i'm like trying to tell alexa to tell me to buy more mayonnaise but as we know the alexa's offline so i just continue to repeat this behavior pattern that's really ruining my sandwich

experience just throw it away because then you're going to need to but anyway um so but you were talking about the three stools of the sandwich right you haven't is it you said yeah well the wonder bread tomato white bread yeah the tomato and the mayo gotcha so that's it that's pretty

much it salt and pepper optional like that's and everybody apparently like again this is something that i think is sort of a summertime thing in the south maybe when like tomatoes are you know kind of at their peak and it's it's deceptively simple but you know people sort of swear by it although my guess would be also a little bit like the movie the sandlot it's one of those things where if you grew up having it it's nostalgic and kind of like reminds you of being a child and so you love it But maybe if you come in at age 45 like I did, again, I didn't do it exactly according to the recipe, so I need to give it another shot. But it was sort of just okay for me.

Well, I need to play this. I was telling you I actually played a little bit of this for you before this show the other day because I was so impressed with the phone quality. But I feel like I cannot have this conversation about childhood sandwiches and simple pleasures without playing this voicemail from our pal Cheryl in Corvallis that she left the other day. And, again, I mean, for folks who are not into sandwich talk, just enjoy the phone quality here. And for the rest of us, you'll understand why I have to play this. It's 90 seconds.

Hey there, Cobros. This is Sherilyn Corvallis. You were talking about eggs on sandwiches yesterday. And my favorite childhood taste memory, honestly, is an egg sandwich. Like, not anything else, just wheat bread. and mayonnaise or Miracle Whip, especially Miracle Whip. I know Andrew won't have the Miracle Whip, but a little bit of Miracle Whip or mayonnaise, mustard, and then a fried egg with the yolk still just a little bit soft, a whisper of salt, and some pepper. Just slap that together on wheat bread. And we always had to have wheat bread. My mom would never buy white bread. I was so jealous of the Wonder Bread kids. Welcome to my life, Cheryl. See why I had to play it. If I am craving comfort food late at night and I just need a taste sensation, an egg sandwich is the best. So anyway, you should try it. Also, pickle sandwiches. That's for another time.

I'll leave it there. I'm listening. Okay, here we go.

Fine-ass phone line. Here we go.

These are probably relics of my parents' extremely religious and Catholic past and being just genuinely poor in the 1950s. And so there was a lot of egg and pickle sandwiches happening.

Oh, okay. I thought she was going to go in and talk about the pickle sandwich. But, yeah, I mean, so much over – you see why I had to play that. There's so much overlap in exactly what you were just saying from – Yeah.

From white bread envy to just like this very simple sandwich where it's like just kind of mayonnaise and one ingredient.

Yeah, that sounds delicious. We got to wrap this show up because now I'm back into that. Between the cannabis food and talking about egg sandwiches and stuff, I need to go get me some lunch.

I want to hear about this Taco Bell thing too, but maybe we can save that for Monday. Maybe we do that on Monday?

Mm-hmm. All right. uh let's we will talk uh we will talk taco bell on a on monday because i have to say when i saw that number 28 for taco bell the internet reaction was this is shocking this guy's lying i thought i've probably done that i've probably done that but then i actually looked at what patrick redford from defector actually bought and i thought no i don't think i've done that so anyway we'll go through how that unfolded uh on monday in the meantime a little music for your weekend before we hit that dusty trail. Andrew, what would you like to play for the

listeners? You know, I got a good mixtape going on Spotify. You know, I usually kind of keep track of kind of what I'm listening to during a season and I kind of make these little playlists for myself. If I like the playlist, I'll then like kind of give it a little cover art and tweet it out or Instagram it out. I haven't done that in a while because I wasn't in a good groove over the summer. I was just listening to disparate things and nothing fit together. But my God, I don't know how this happened, but I've played a lot of the songs off of this fall 2022 playlist for you already Luke like that song by dead that I played a couple of weeks ago and Alex Leahy and I'm just looking at this now I'm realizing I'm very into this mixtape and I'm just realizing that not only is it highly not only is Australia highly represented I have like three or four Australian bands on here but I think they're all fronted by women or co-fronted by women too. So it's definitely got a vibe And the song I'm going to play for you now Is a band that I've played a lot before They are Australian They are fronted by a woman And the band is called The Beths Oh yeah, of course I mean, they have so many songs and albums now And I just feel like I could play them all

Weren't they a song of the summer contender?

Yeah, I think they were Although, yes, the song is on the tip of my tongue And I can't quite place it right now But this song is relatively new I think this came out on their last record which I think came out maybe this summer. The name of the song by the Beths is Knees Deep. Take a listen to this.

Watching light through water I want to bend the way it bends You slice like a knife through the surface But what a thrill to see it bend With no scar, no memory I'm envious, why pretend I'm not Waiting in and out to the end goes The cold speaks straight to my voice Whole body and soul, hesitation I am a coward turned to stone I stay there for centuries So all of history knows about it But hey, hey, we made it to the longest day

They never miss. The Beths never miss. Right? Whatever was happening there, right, is you had to duck it down for Spotify-ification reasons. Although now that our old boss is the boss of Spotify, can we get like a pass or something? You think we can? Maybe. Or maybe it won't be a problem because we won't be on Spotify much longer.

While you mention that, I just say. It's going to get a lot better for us or a lot worse for us over there. I just want to say something here quickly. Speaking of Spotify, I was reading about all these layoffs at Gimlet Media, which is now owned by Spotify, and this other studio that's now owned by Spotify. And you and I got into this a couple of weeks ago about the state of the podcasting industry and just how messed up it is. And I find it I'm almost getting angry at how messed up I think a lot of executives are treating the industry and trying to turn it into like a mini Hollywood and essentially destroying it. And I was overcome with appreciation for our listeners today as I was reading about the goings on in the industry and the fact that we, you know, some of the failures have to do with putting things behind paywalls or you can't monetize this with advertisements. And so this and like I know we have ads on our show and it has to do with, you know, American public media and agreements that they have. And but the reason this show is going, as we always say, when we're asking for money and I'm not asking for money right now is because of the people who are listening right now who allow us to play music that I'm talking over and ruining. And I just I was seriously I wanted to send a valentine to every single listener. for keeping this going and letting us do what we do. And I want to say that not as an ask, but just a genuine thank you here in the middle of October.

Yeah, hear, hear. I've been following all of that stuff too over there and also just reading other threads that are about, you know, various entities looking to start podcasts, but then not really having an actual budget to pay the producers and the people that make podcasts. and like it's just honestly the industry is kind of a mess unless your last name is you know rogan or unless you're making cereal um unless you're in a certain echelon of this and then there's this whole mid-range that's kind of a mess and then there's us it's like you and me and the people whose names we read each day on the show um that it's we are so fortunate to get to have this direct connection to our listeners and a direct funding source from the listeners it's the only reason that we're here able to do this because we there's no competing out there in the in the kind of deep end of this of this ocean right now for us we're never going to have more listeners than you know um some of these hit podcasts and we're never going to be able to monetize the ads in a way that's you know significant for us etc so it really comes down to a bunch of people and by the way probably fewer people than you're imagining it's not in the thousands of people it's in the hundreds of people who are generous enough to donate money every month so we can keep doing this and you're right i'm really grateful for that and it's because it is it's a it's a very weird cutthroat place out there where a lot of the wrong people are getting to make the decisions about other people's creativity and livelihood and it's just yeah it's kind of a mess and we're it's like this roiling sea and we're kind of in this little snug harbor that is we got 600 people who are willing to pay for this thing yeah and it's very direct it's like

do you want us to make this okay thank you for donating what you can and of course we have yeah yeah and this is not donating all over no i'm not going anywhere with this i have set up a paypal

account yeah right exactly if you luke's stone gambling locks and if you'd like to get access to those i'd say right right adam frazier home run plus 2200 for tomorrow's game yeah it's a free

beef anyway yeah i'll end it there because i think i i said what i want to say but it is true and it's not an ask it's just to like a my god thank you so much and i appreciate it and i think what we're all doing here is is a little bit special even when i'm just talking about my hedges so thank

you we i yeah i mean we obviously you're and my our default setting is to be very self-critical and self-deprecating and that's clearly a defense mechanism at least for me but in all in all seriousness it is pretty unique and special and kind of wild that this is still happening all these years later and it's you know it's because of the the folks that listen i mean that's really what makes the show happen it's not because we're particularly entertaining or anything like that there i go again there you go again self-deprecating um all right the song that i well i will tell you story i had one song ready to go that i really liked i still may actually play it at some point or suggest it it was a song that i just heard um somewhere and i shazammed it because i'd never heard it before and the song is really good but then i went and looked up the band and it's like it the band is so not for me with their aesthetic i'd call it mid 2000s my chemical romance meets swing dancing the way they look you're talking the way they look the way the videos are shot you know what screw it andrew let's do this can i can we can we shift because i'm already talking about it the band is called miss derringer like the gun miss derringer and the song is called devil in the white city and it i think is a really cool song but then i went and did some recon on the band and again if if it's something that uh you're into then great i don't want to yuck anyone's yum but it was it was so outside of the sort of stuff that i seek out that it made me wonder like can i play this song that i really like can i play it in good conscience knowing that it would appear that most of the other stuff that this band generates is not particularly for me and so i i hit the eject button and i went with another song which i'm medium excited about but honestly i think we got to play this miss jaringer song devil in the white

city yeah you know that kind of reminds me this is a little bit different but i was thinking earlier as we were talking about um movies you know beloved movies from people's childhood and they might you know folks might still like a movie like um any of the kind of cornier baseball movies we were talking about but to them it's just it brings them joy you don't see the corniness Because you grew up with it When Veeves and I were in our road trip

trip i was listening to like poor genevieve i was listening to like full b52s records and not like

the cool 70s ones but like kind of newer ones it's like honestly i shudder no offense i shudder

at the thought of the 13th track right exactly on a b52 and i still love it but nobody should necessarily right and it's just kind of like but i don't and it's just like this weird thing it's like if i heard this now i would be like i'm sorry i'm sorry what what did you say fred um but like i absolutely loved it it was great and like if you like something purely for nostalgia or if you just like one song off of i think maybe i'm thinking like you like one song off of this album it's okay it's okay like one song off of an album or to even admit that like hey i like this stuff it's corny and i don't care if other people like it or not it's my journey yeah well the

journey that i'm on today andrew is of discovering miss derringer and then discovering what their outfits look like and then failing but then finding my way back to them nice so uh can we are you able to get that on your music playing service okay this is devil in the white city by I miss Derringer.

It's been a hundred days Since I've been alone And he came to say he'd stand by my side I, oh I should have known better, Lord Every time that I look in those eyes Don't tell me I've gone wrong Everything he said sounded so true They told me all along Don't ever trust no eyes so blue

All right, so there you go. Oh, I love that. It's good, right? Yeah, I'm going to move this right over to that playlist I was talking about. It fits perfectly with the vibe.

It's a really good song. So there you go.

The one thing about it is, and I don't think I'm going to get in trouble with Spotify for playing that, but I am getting a cease and desist from Eric Larson, author of Devil in the White City. So you know what?

I can't play my Lusitania song next week.

Can I get some points on an Eric Larson poll? I wish I could remember the name of that book because I read that book. I was reading that book right around the time that that progressive commercial, You're Becoming Your Parents. Dead Wake, by the way. Dead Wake, right, right. And a big part of that book isn't just from the point of view of the people on the ship that sunk, but on the submarine that sunk it, right? And here I am reading this book. And the best parts, I thought, were the submarine parts. Yet there was that commercial that was running, like, are you becoming your parents because you're reading books about submarines? And I'm literally sitting there with a book about a submarine on my lap.

Those commercials continue, I think, to work for me. Like the guy that's doing line management. Yeah, yeah. We don't need a line manager. We don't need to manage the line. Yeah, they're pretty good. I think the bloom is a little off the rose for me. Sure, sure.

But they're still pretty good writing, yeah.

You usually keep – there's usually one kind of riff in there that kind of wins it from – we just – we have to move on with our lives and our weekend. And the listeners, I think, most of all demand that we end the show soon. But I would say at some point, can you talk on After These Messages about these – I can't even remember the restaurant there for, but these commercials that they clearly – It's a massive campaign where it's like a newscaster. On the radio, are you talking? No, no, TV. They play them during the baseball games and stuff. It's a guy that's like, I don't think it's Jimmy John's. I mean, obviously, it's not a great ad because I don't remember the product. But it's a food. It's a restaurant. And the guy is a newscaster. And he's going like, food news. OK, something boring. Now here's a message from whatever. And it's like it's weird because it's like they're so unfunny. I'm sorry I'm giving you zero specifics

I don't think I've ever seen this either Because the way I watch baseball games now I don't see commercial If I'm watching and not listening Then I'm usually watching on a stream That blocks out the commercials

Yeah, because they're I want to

say it's either for no it's it's carl's jr i think and they're just if you haven't seen them then it's not interesting and this is i'm sure particularly interesting to the listeners but i think they're carl's jr ads and it's again they shot a lot of these and it's like a guy who's kind of a sort of typical looking tv news anchor but he's delivering news about food but then he's it's clearly supposed to be edgy and funny but it just misses i've sold on one second

The sourdough star is back at Carl's Jr. notching a victory for flatbreaders everywhere. It's a victory indeed. Take that, science. Bite into the sourdough star.

He put on a hat that said something. I don't know if it's supposed to be a MAGA hat, only it's blue and yellow instead. But this must be what you're talking about, right? It's exactly what I'm talking about.

Every one of them has a tag that's sort of joke adjacent. I guess that's a flat earther joke. I see.

So flatbreaders celebrate victory. So he puts and then he puts on a hat that says buns are an illusion. But I do think that's sort of taking a swipe at, like, all the conspiracy theories on the right. Right. Trump world. Right. OK.

It's which it's like it just feels to me like it's all. I mean, Carl's Jr. is the company that brought you Paris Hilton sitting on a car hood eating a messy bird.

That's right. Those were the ones that they really lean like during the during the Maxim era of American culture. like there's all these commercials that i'll stumble on when we're producing the show that i'm just like oh this is this is from the maxim era right that's a really good way to frame it

because i remember that i will admit and i'm not proud of this but definitely in the early era of maxim i was quite intrigued and this is going to also sound like what people used to say about playboy i swear to you i was reading it for the articles like even at that point it wasn't like impossible for me to get my eyes on images of scantily clad women right that was not but it really was something where they were writing about culture and things I was interested in and sometimes with some pretty talented writers and I'm sure a heavy heavy dose of misogyny and bro culture and toxicity that I didn't really pick up at the time but I did have a moment where I think

I I was a pretty regular reader of Maxim I see yeah and I think that they were that's what they were trying to do right they were they were trying to bridge that gap between bro culture and people who you know maybe figured that they don't fit into uh bro culture yeah maybe one other thing

that i'll just say to close a loop that i opened like a month ago and never closed which was i promoted something saying one of my favorite media publications appears to be down again and it was mel magazine oh yeah i saw that as far as i can tell nothing new has been posted there in two

months yeah i know i saw some uh pieces going around it is it is done again it's shut it again the company that bought it yeah it was written about yeah that it was because like it was it

was you know it got a second wind and that what did that last for five months i feel like it might

have lasted a year because it was owned by that um shave club for men i believe it was like in the strange like kind of outreach uh kind of of their a publication associated with them and branded content yeah sort of and they shuttered it and then i believe it was just like one of those investment like one of those what do you what do you call those companies that just kind of like they own a whole bunch of different things right they're just right um a mail yeah uh what's the capital sure yeah and so sure no it must not have paid off i know that what's that it just must not

have paid off in the end and i just feels like they didn't give it enough time to find its voice And find its readers again That just also seems very much like I know, why can't I Think of the name of what that kind of Financial operations The same thing that happened to Deadspin Was basically like One of these sort of Financial companies that just Buy up things so those things can make money So they can maximize profits But of course the way they maximize profits Is always to just cut all costs You know But it just seems like they should have if you buy something like that and you give it a year I just don't think that's enough time for something like that to actually oh my god I don't think this is a Halloween thing but I just I was

looking for Mel magazine news and so I clicked on the first thing but it was actually something that supposedly was published a week ago on Mel but when you click on it it is a picture of a gravestone that says rip Mel with a ghoul behind it floating so I don't know if this page has just died or if the but it says rip Mel so apparently yeah I mean it seems like they are announcing

their own death here yeah well anyway i just felt like after i it's one of the thousands of things that i'll just like throw out at some point on the show and then just that's how i keep people

listening yes exactly down the line at some point we might pay off on that yeah uh our listener

suggestion this week for music for your weekend comes from listener chris who actually hit me up on twitter and said this made me well up a bit because i miss my dad too and i thought you'd enjoy it it's a candidate for music for your weekend and it's a song by

Tommy Pryne, who is the son of John Pryne. And the song is called I'm Not Crying. I know it sounded like it. This is a kind of emotional song. And maybe I will be crying quietly when it plays. But that was just me getting a catch in my throat unrelated to the emotion I have around John Pryne's legacy. But the song is really beautiful, actually. It's called Ships on the Water, and it's by Tommy Pryne. Addy also sent it to me. So I'm going to give dual credit to listener Chris. Ships in the Harbor, by the way. Ships in the Harbor. Yes, okay. I mean, they're on the water and... Right, no, I just wanted to, in case somebody's looking for... Unless they're in dry dock. Okay, fine, we'll go with the real title. Yeah, Ships on the Harbor. No, actually, you know what? It's funny because Ships in the Harbor is completely essential to the message of the song. The song is basically saying, like, you know, when you lose someone or when you're really close to someone and they're kind of like a ship in the harbor like at some point the ship that's in the harbor is going to go somewhere else it's there for a time being but it's not its permanent home unless you're one of the jerry's that lives at sagstead marina but generally a ship in the harbor is something that is you know it's going to eventually make a new journey and that's going to be kind of hard and my guess is that this is a sort of a reference to his dad's passing um so the fact that i got the title wrong which completely like that u-boat approaching the lusitania completely torpedoes the message of the song well it's a fitting way to wrap up there we go i'm trying to say uh all right so thanks chris for the suggestion and thanks everyone for listening this week thanks for being part of tbtl we will see you on monday with more imaginary radio in the meantime have a great weekend take care of yourselves go mariners and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

It must be the morning again The sun through the window felt good on my skin So it must be leaving soon as it should And I saw the bluebird again She pointed it out in the yard on our fence So it must be leaving soon As it should When I'm standing by water It's harder and harder It's why I get sad when there's ships in the harbor Cause they must be leaving soon As they should And I got to see an old friend We left and stayed after the cane doing it Cause we must be leaving soon

It's the first line of the film, man. It's got to be on the money here. Roll down the window, Bill. It's all right. Okay, cut. All right, man. Shit. You've got to give it some passion, too, man, and you've got to... It's all right. It's okay. There's something to live for. Jesus told me so.

It's all right. It's just something to live for. Jesus told me so.

Okay, great, Phil, but we have to have fluidity in there.

It's all right. It's okay.

Okay, cut. You've got to bring passion to it, a message. It's a message.

This is for the shits and for the birds. This is for the birds.

Okay, I believe we can do this. I believe this can be done, Bill. Hey, man, Mike, why don't you keep track of what takes these are, man? Does this take seven? Okay, let's do take seven, man.

It's all right. It's okay. Cut. Okay.

You have to believe in what you're saying, Bill. Power out