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TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

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from TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

October 20, 2022 | 01:16:27 | Leisure, Comedy

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Andrew shares an old mixtape he made which was inspired by Whitney Houston's best song, and Luke clears some things up regarding Christopher Meloni, Elias Koteas, and Blake Shelton.
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00:00:00 - 00:00:37 | Speaker 3:

Excuse me. Hi. You're Casey Casey. You're unbelievable. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. No, no, no. Seriously, I'm telling you. You blow me away. Why, it's really nice of you to say that. No, no, no. I'm telling you what you do. It's really amazing. It's fabulous. Yes, well, can we give you... No, no, no. I'm telling you. I'm telling you what you do. I really get it. I get what's going on with you. It's amazing. Really. Great stuff. Yes. No, no, no. Really. Tell me a favor. Say, coming in this week at number one is Lionel Richie. He's stuck on you. I really don't think I can do that. No, no, no. Come on. Do it. Seriously, do it. Come on. Do it. Coming in at number one this week is Lionel Richie was stuck on you. That's great. All right, through Shaggy from Scooby-Doo. TBTL.

00:00:40 - 00:00:46 | Speaker 4:

So maybe this isn't exactly the most polished radio broadcast you've ever heard.

00:00:46 - 00:00:51 | Speaker 1:

It's not that bad, honestly. It is, but it's not.

00:00:51 - 00:00:54 | Speaker 4:

I swear, every time this guy talks, all I hear is a turkey goblin.

00:00:54 - 00:01:05 | Speaker 2:

Huh. Meat from the street. Sounds like a fun treat. I'm a poet and didn't even know I was rhyming those words.

00:01:06 - 00:01:09 | Speaker 4:

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

00:01:11 - 00:01:48 | Speaker 5:

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome to a Thursday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's called The Danger Witch, and it's dangerously good. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I can't believe you're still on the air. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where I had a realization this morning, or the beginnings of a realization that is possibly troubling. I think depending on the particular kind of workout that I do, my sweat smells different.

00:01:48 - 00:01:49 | Speaker 4:

It stinks.

00:01:49 - 00:03:50 | Speaker 5:

I have a situation going on in my bedroom where I was just like, what is that sweaty, sweaty odor? And I realized it was the hamper, which just had some clothes in it, some workout clothes. From this uphill walking deal that I've been doing, it's like 12% incline, 30 minutes, 4 miles per hour. I think when I do the uphill walking, it causes me to excrete a somehow more upsetting sweat. than just like a normal jog. Anyway, I don't know what you all are supposed to do with that information. I just felt like I should share here on episode 3797 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Also, I saw an article in Slate.com today, a father writing about his son's trouble on the baseball diamond. You throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball. And it exactly squared with my experience as a kid on the baseball diamond. I thought I was the only kid who had this problem, but no. Turns out someone named Travis Nichols' son in Powder Springs, Georgia, is suffering from the same condition that I suffered from. So we will talk about that. Speaking of baseball, am I a New York Yankees fan? You're a gross person. I found myself in the most unlikely of scenarios last night, Rooting for the New York Yankees Dear gosh Anyway, we'll talk about that And also we've had a couple of updates On some things that have been floating around on the show That we've got clarification on Can you verify? Can you give me some 411? And because it's a Thursday A.K.A. a Blur's Day We'll do the Blur's Day messages All that with the help of this young man He's a handsome young stranger He's doing the work, he's baby-stepping He's the longest-running Cobra of the show Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships Now, this is going to be an adventure for him because he doesn't usually do outward-facing media projects.

00:03:50 - 00:03:54 | Speaker 1:

Really? I've never been on live television before.

00:03:54 - 00:03:58 | Speaker 5:

But I have high hopes for him today. He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

00:03:59 - 00:04:23 | Speaker 4:

I'm doing the work. I'm baby-stepping. I think I'm ready for this. I feel a little bit nervous. My God, I used to be so nervous doing this show. Now, I'm so asleep during this show. It's amazing. God, I remember when I said, head over to your place in Mount Baker, and I was brand new. I would, I would, I was, I'd have to change my t-shirt afterwards. I'm not even joking. I would get flop sweat. Yeah.

00:04:24 - 00:04:38 | Speaker 5:

God, we used to have such a dynamic on-air relationship where you were sweating bullets, and I was probably still in a suit. Coming back from Cairo, I'd horfed down a Taco Time burrito from the Taco Time on Rainier.

00:04:38 - 00:04:42 | Speaker 4:

The suit. Now I haven't even looked at the show sheet. What are we talking about today?

00:04:43 - 00:04:47 | Speaker 5:

In the words of that singer, didn't we almost have it all, Andrew?

00:04:47 - 00:04:59 | Speaker 4:

Didn't we almost? That's, oh, my goodness. Is that Whitney? That's Whitney, yeah. Certainly is. I went through a big moment with that song, which was very enlightening at the time. I'm not usually somebody who is into kind of schmaltzy songs like that.

00:05:00 - 00:05:44 | Speaker 2:

I believe it was New Year's, like New Year's Eve of what would have been 2013 going into 2014. I just heard that song on the radio, and I came back to my Airbnb in L.A. where I was living by myself and just listened to it over and over and over again. And the thing is, that song is so specifically about a romantic thing, but, like, I wasn't... You would think of us when you would sing it. Yeah. I wasn't lovelorn at the time. I don't know why that song just, like, just really hit me. You know, I was probably maybe feeling like some... You know, I'm not somebody who puts a lot of emphasis on holidays, so I don't know if the holidays were getting to me. We were talking yesterday. It was kind of a high-stress time in my life. I had just moved down there to take this new job. And I don't know what it was, but that song was like, somehow it soothed my soul.

00:05:46 - 00:05:53 | Speaker 3:

I'm reading the lyrics to this song, and I feel like it actually really is about us. Andrew, do you remember when we held on in the rain? I do. The night we almost lost it?

00:05:53 - 00:05:56 | Speaker 2:

I was trying to let go, but you wouldn't let go of me.

00:05:56 - 00:06:03 | Speaker 3:

Once again, we can take the night into tomorrow, living on feelings, touching you, I feel it all again.

00:06:03 - 00:06:13 | Speaker 2:

That was about the time you tried to crack my knuckles at the ballpark on the radio and I wouldn't let you. That's my love language, Andrew. Yeah. You'll never crack my knuckles.

00:06:14 - 00:06:36 | Speaker 3:

The ride with you was worth the fall, my friend. That's such a good line. Loving you makes life worth it. I mean, that is. That's a great line. The ride with you was worth the fall. It's a good song. My friend. we should be yeah yeah Whitney Houston was good at singing you know what I'm looking at like I'm just looking at her discography right she was a good singer why doesn't anybody ever talk about

00:06:36 - 00:06:52 | Speaker 2:

that that's what I want to know like she should have been a star stop burying the lead Whitney Houston was good at singing oh I know what else did I so that let me see if I can call this up right now so bubbles agrees I don't know if you just heard her in the back oh no a little meow Did I get a little meow back there?

00:06:52 - 00:07:02 | Speaker 3:

You know what she's doing now? And by the way, I want you to know, Andrew, me talking about my cat, this does not impinge on your three cat references this week, which you've only used one of.

00:07:02 - 00:07:19 | Speaker 2:

I know. Yeah. And I should probably give a little update. I actually, Luke, I'm not even joking. I have listeners who are frustrated with me. I literally got a text message from somebody who said, if you limit the cat talk, then I have to limit my donation. What were you going to say? You know what?

00:07:19 - 00:07:26 | Speaker 1:

they know where they know how to get our attention yes so i sent that person's photos of bingo no

00:07:26 - 00:08:30 | Speaker 3:

joke um bingo has started doing this thing that i had actually seen because again i have basically no life so what i do sometimes is look up videos of other bengal cats online just to see what their vibe is and or i'll click on a hashtag on tiktok about bangles and i'd notice that some of them will do this they make this almost clucking sound when they're i guess feeling aggressive or they're feeling threatened or they're just like stalking something and i had noticed these other bengals doing it like a little bit older than her in these videos and she just started doing it the other day and there's no way i can get her to do it now but i have this like feather that's on a stick you know kind of deal that i'll thwack back and forth as i'm watching my new team the new york yankees And she's now starting to do it I can't even I can't recreate it But it's this clicking sound It must just be like a bangle Maybe it's all cats And I've only noted it with bangles But it's this very odd vocalization That means she's about to pounce

00:08:30 - 00:10:26 | Speaker 2:

No, I mean I think I can sort of picture it But it's not I don't think it's universal I don't think it's anything That my cats have or had Before I potentially delve Into too much kitten talk On my end here can I share with you the playlist that ended up coming out of my love of didn't we almost have it all now the center might not hold on this is 12 songs I'll only play four minutes of each now I'm just going to list this for you and some of them yes some of them as this goes on I think I started like just adding to this list every time I heard a song that I thought might fit and I'd like your opinion because some of them you might think are a stretch now weirdly the playlist is called didn't we almost have it all but it doesn't begin with that song for some reason i don't know if i did this on purpose or if things you made this is not an algorithm this is just a playlist that i radio station that spotify made for you back in 2014 yeah as a matter of fact i can even see when i added these songs and i added them all in oh 2014 then i returned to it in 2021 what happened in the intervening years but um the first song on this playlist is totally clips of the heart by bonnie taylor a song that i really like although tyler you're right um and but a friend of mine um pointed out that that's kind of a song that people sing at karaoke too much and it kind of oh very much so see that's the thing i didn't know that and now that i know it it's not as fun and it shouldn't affect it It shouldn't affect how much I like that song. But I remember we were at a karaoke joint and our friend Lini was there and she just left. And then I wrote to her, oh, you're missing Total Eclipse of the Heart. She's like, yeah, you can miss me with that. That's not a quote, but that was the vibe of the text back. And she's like, oh, my. She thought I was joking. It's such a stereotypical thing to do at karaoke. I didn't know that. And now whenever I think of this song, I think of that conversation and I cringe a little bit, which is kind of a bummer because I do think it's a good song.

00:10:26 - 00:10:47 | Speaker 1:

Well, I mean, because we have It's well documented on the show that you're not You'll watch Other folks do karaoke, but you're not somebody who's going to Get up and sing, and you're not karaoke Obsessed like some folks in our friend group I guess I would say me included at certain points In my life, so it's Reasonable that you wouldn't know what the kind Of overdone karaoke songs are

00:10:47 - 00:10:54 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, so anyway, so I do like that song It's got a little tinge of That patina on it for me, but then we go on to Oh, go ahead, what's that?

00:10:54 - 00:11:18 | Speaker 1:

I was going to say it's funny because I I think the first time I maybe ever heard Total Eclipse of the Heart, it was at karaoke. So I cannot I cannot decouple it from the karaoke experience. But if I do in my mind, I think you're right. I think it's a really good song, but I can only think of it as something that someone's doing at karaoke that's going to eat up six minutes before I can finally get up there and do my faith by George Michael.

00:11:18 - 00:11:47 | Speaker 2:

I also I think I can't remember the details on the story But next time you listen to it Listen to it and imagine Meatloaf singing it Now I'm not a big Meatloaf fan But I think there's a rumor Or maybe it's well documented That that was maybe supposed to be Written for Meatloaf And then Meatloaf didn't Take the songwriter up on it So Bonnie Tyler sang it instead And you can sort of hear that Yet I don't like Meatloaf songs Yet I like this song So anyway, that's track one.

00:11:47 - 00:12:14 | Speaker 1:

Well, you know what's funny is that one of the other, I think, most overdone karaoke songs that I can be definitely missed with is Paradise by the Dashboard Light. Oh, really? Which is a meatloaf song that's about— Isn't it 18 minutes long? Conservatively. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, don't do that. When somebody dials that up, it's like, you know— That's just so rude. Take a walk. Go over to the IHOP and see if you can get a rooty-tooty fresh and fruit. They'll be back at the Mandarin Gate before they're done with Paradise by the Dashboard Light.

00:12:14 - 00:12:32 | Speaker 2:

I feel like that is a rude, rude move. Sorry, I'll talk about that in a second. I got some action going on over here. Number two on the list is Didn't We Almost Have It All by Whitney Houston. We've talked about that. Number three, The Rose by Bette Midler. Does it get more schmaltzy?

00:12:33 - 00:12:42 | Speaker 1:

Do you know I watched that entire movie at three in the morning sitting on a Barca lounger at Andy Engstrom's house because I thought there would maybe be boobs in it?

00:12:42 - 00:12:43 | Speaker 2:

I don't know.

00:12:43 - 00:13:00 | Speaker 1:

it sounds like the rose like i just was it was on hbo this is back in the days of like you know the box like the tv the box that went on top of your tv with the you know dial kind of deal and i just was like it's late it's hbo everyone's asleep this is about rock and roll there's probably

00:13:00 - 00:13:04 | Speaker 2:

going to be some boobs oh is it about rock and roll i didn't even know that that's such not a

00:13:04 - 00:13:19 | Speaker 1:

rock and roll song i didn't know what it was but i mean isn't she the rose it's isn't it sort of It's sort of Janis Joplin Adjacent or something Janis Jorpjomp Jackie Jorpjomp The Jackie Jorpjomp story

00:13:19 - 00:13:24 | Speaker 2:

I don't know I think we've had this conversation before I think you've told me that but I didn't realize that

00:13:24 - 00:13:38 | Speaker 1:

I could be wrong about that too by the way Loosely based on the life of Janis Joplin Andrew it's a Luke W Thursday The film follows a self-destructive rock star In the late 1960s Who struggles to cope with the pressure of her career And the demands of her ruthless

00:13:38 - 00:14:59 | Speaker 2:

business manager it's hard for me to imagine how the song the rose which is just like the softest schmaltiest song fits into that chaotic hippie lifestyle but uh maybe i need to watch that movie um okay next on this is kind of a surprise to see it here although it does make sense all of these are old kind of like 70s and 80s schmaltzy songs i do have wrecking ball by miley cyrus on here i feel like it is a modern kind of that torch like i don't know if these Torch songs necessarily, but real kind of big Ballad-y songs. Exactly, then it must Have been Love by Roxette Is that another big karaoke? Did I just Basically make a karaoke list and I didn't realize it Did we just become best friends? Time After Time By Cyndi Lauper The ride with you was definitely worth the fall My best friend. You took us on the ride I'm trying to make us fall as a podcast Right now. Now we're moving A little bit away from the female Fronted lyrics here vocals we have gordon lightfoot if you could read my mind love oh so good that's a good song that's a good song although i'm looking at it here i don't know if it really fits this i feel like that's sort of a different kind of vibe but i'll leave it in there um i added that in 2015 in 2016 i added the song if ever you're in my arms again do you know that song bison that my friend is Peebo MFing Bryson.

00:15:00 - 00:15:01 | Speaker 1:

That song fits this playlist.

00:15:01 - 00:15:16 | Speaker 2:

Peebo Bryson performed at my high school, by the way. What? Nathan Hale. Because we had a radio station there, like C89, we actually got some pretty dope musicians. After I had long since graduated, Lady Gaga performed at my high school.

00:15:17 - 00:15:20 | Speaker 1:

I think you told me that, but you didn't see that.

00:15:20 - 00:15:23 | Speaker 2:

I was not there for that, but I was there for the Peebo Bryson.

00:15:23 - 00:15:27 | Speaker 1:

I hope that tradition remains strong. Yeah, me too. At that high school.

00:15:27 - 00:15:47 | Speaker 2:

I think I was the only person really vibing With Peebo Bryce in that day It was like 11am We're just in the auditorium Now that school is like remodeled And it's very fancy The building is very fancy It was very unfancy It was just like 11 on a Tuesday And Peebo Bryce is just singing On the stage of our school

00:15:47 - 00:15:58 | Speaker 1:

It's like flying a kite at night I think that school Is sort of like It's sort of near Tubbs right Like if I'm driving Yes but

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My friend you have to always clarify You mean the sandwich place The hot tub by the hour

00:16:03 - 00:16:06 | Speaker 1:

The hot tub by the hour place has been gone for

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I know but it will never leave my mind

00:16:09 - 00:16:11 | Speaker 1:

Because you have to realize

00:16:11 - 00:16:42 | Speaker 2:

Like when they built that place I really thought It was elegance personified It was like it had all these Kind of like Grecian Columns on it It was like it was every like every shitty nouveau riche thing you do to try to to try to um sort of uh send the message of elegance which if you're an adult you're like oh that's gross people are boning in those hot tubs but if you're a kid you're like look at that look at that architecture look at those fountains

00:16:42 - 00:17:26 | Speaker 1:

outside like it just seemed so fancy in the heart of the university district by the time i saw that place it was already like decommissioned it was closed down graffitied up yeah it was just like this blight just like this block of blight in the middle of the in the u district um okay you mean the sandwich place anyway yeah i think that's cool because i was i remember i picked up my sandwich and i was thinking oh maybe i could instead of like parking my car in the usual place on this hill that overlooks the lake i'm like this looks kind of like a nice area and then i parked my car and i almost ate my sandwich there then i'm like oh then i'm just like a dude by myself yeah in my car eating a sandwich in a school park at the high school like let's maybe not do that like of all the places maybe not do that but I think that's the place we're talking about right it's pretty big and fancy

00:17:26 - 00:17:29 | Speaker 2:

yes that's exactly the Maple Leaf neighborhood

00:17:29 - 00:17:34 | Speaker 1:

how many hot tubs does that school have do you know and are they open to the public they were

00:17:34 - 00:17:51 | Speaker 2:

they got all of the old tubs from tubs uh-huh good and so I think it's like 30 or 40 I mean I honestly it seems like a really seems like a liability honestly just to have high schoolers using those 30 to 40 hot tubs That's part of your phys ed requirement

00:17:51 - 00:17:57 | Speaker 1:

That's what friends are for Dionne Warwick, Elton John, Gladys Knight Keep smiling

00:17:57 - 00:18:11 | Speaker 2:

I don't know if my dear friend Caitlin is still listening to the show But my friend Caitlin Duffy was a long time TBTL listener and a long time friend of mine And colleague on various projects And she absolutely slays that song at karaoke

00:18:11 - 00:18:31 | Speaker 1:

Oh okay, see I did just put together a karaoke list What about this? Is this one that people sing a lot at karaoke? Or is this a slightly deeper cut There'll be sad songs To make you cry by Billy Ocean Off of the album Love Zone That was added Love songs often do They can touch your heart with something new

00:18:31 - 00:18:32 | Speaker 2:

Saying I love you

00:18:32 - 00:18:38 | Speaker 1:

Sometimes when we touch By Dan Hill The honesty is too much

00:18:38 - 00:18:52 | Speaker 2:

That is a song that exists only for me to quote as a joke Like if I bump into someone who I know I might say sometimes when we touch The honesty is too much It's just like the weirdest line to me I mean I guess it's about S-E-X Sometimes Andrew when we go to Tubs

00:18:52 - 00:18:53 | Speaker 1:

Wait does that mean we're going for a ride?

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Sometimes we go to Tubs and we rent a room For 90 minutes The honesty is too much

00:18:59 - 00:19:24 | Speaker 1:

Last one on this track number 12 Now this surprises me because I am actually While this is kind of a playlist of Schmaltzy songs I actually do not Like what people describe as like Yacht rock like I don't But this is a Christopher Cross song called arthur's theme that i added in may of 2021 i must have heard it on the radio and thought oh that fits my playlist how does arthur do i have to play this because i can't think of

00:19:24 - 00:19:34 | Speaker 2:

how it goes because it must be from the movie arthur but he doesn't ever it's not like the song isn't like hey you're dudley moore you're rich but you're a drunk that would be a good song

00:19:34 - 00:19:55 | Speaker 1:

oh yeah yeah right yeah yeah yeah between the moon in new york city which is what happens to arthur right he's like stuck somewhere he's like he's in a two-dimensional plane about the size of an lp

00:19:55 - 00:19:59 | Speaker 2:

he was the a lot of people don't talk about this he was the fourth guy in that weird

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glass.

00:20:00 - 00:20:03 | Speaker 2:

That's the last sheet that General Zod and his hench people ended up in.

00:20:03 - 00:21:00 | Speaker 1:

It freaked me out. That scene freaked me out so much when I was a kid. I don't know about that. The Forbidden Zone. I don't know about that last song. I mean, yeah, I'll leave it, but it is a little yacht rocky. And I really, like, why can I never think of his name? The guy that you talk about all, it seemed like you talk about him quite a bit. At least you did for a while. Too much, you mean? Old Mr. Golden Throat. Oh, sure. Old Mr. Golden Throat. Michael McDonald. There's something about that sound that I don't. White Lightning. I actually don't like it like it's I think it reminds me of being a kid trapped in the backseat of like an Oldsmobile like maybe while my sister was taking clarinet lessons or something like that just like that was on the radio all the time I don't know there's just something about that sound of music that I mean it doesn't upset me but I don't know it sort of leaves me feeling sort of empty sort of hmm well there is a certain melancholy to it yeah like to Michael McDonald's voice it's almost like he's singing in a way he's singing in like a minor key or something Yeah, certainly, yeah.

00:21:00 - 00:21:22 | Speaker 2:

Keep again, we're not in love anymore. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's kind of down. It's kind of, keep again, and we'll never be the same again. It's just kind of, it's a little, yeah, it's a little. Were you doing Clinton? Except Shine Sweet Freedom, from the soundtrack of Run and Scared, starring Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines, which is, like, top 20 songs for me of my life.

00:21:22 - 00:21:40 | Speaker 1:

Well, there's one thing that's been going through my head lately. Now I can't tell if I like it or I just associate it with something. But there's a Christopher Cross song that features McDonald. Maybe there's a bunch, but it's about, like, running to Mexico or something. And there is a skit from SCTV that was kind of going viral, or at least it was on my radar.

00:21:41 - 00:21:51 | Speaker 2:

I sent that. I don't know if I sent it to you, but I definitely sent it to Camaro Kevin, our friend JD, because it's basically. And who is it who's playing Michael McDonald in it?

00:21:51 - 00:21:56 | Speaker 1:

It's Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Rick Moranis. Rick Moranis, although you wouldn't recognize him under there.

00:21:56 - 00:22:09 | Speaker 2:

It seems like weird casting, but they've got the beard and the hair, and he's basically just like, it's just, the joke is, right, that he's, Michael McDonald is just guesting on this track, and he just runs into the studio and just goes like, like in the background for two seconds.

00:22:09 - 00:22:21 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think the joke is just that like Michael McDonald will feature on any track, and then he's like trying to sign a check in between, like in between his little tiny appearances. And what's that song? It's about Mexico, right? It's like.

00:22:21 - 00:22:45 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't even know if I actually knew that song. before Ride Like the Wind, right. That was, I don't know that song very well, but I thought it was, I always wonder about that when someone just guests on like, whether it's a rapper that's just, you know, basically doing a bar or if it's a singer who's just like, do they just come in for like 30 minutes and just like knock it out and then they're done for the day? How does that work from a scheduling standpoint? And I think it does depend on,

00:22:46 - 00:22:56 | Speaker 1:

here is this, I want to see if we can get the McDo. And I've got such a long way to go Such a long way to go That's it That's what he does There's the McDonald Such a long way to go

00:22:56 - 00:22:57 | Speaker 2:

And then he starts to leave, right?

00:22:57 - 00:23:54 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, right So the skit is really funny Because you think you're watching a music video at first But then you're just watching Rick Moranis' McDonald's show up late at the studio Just to do that one line Such a long way to go But now when I hear that song on the radio Like that's a song that I probably knew Just like way back in the recesses of my brain But never considered But then I For some reason I loved that little video That SCTV spoof That was going around a month or two ago And I probably watched it Five times in a row I just watch it five times in a row It was spellbound by it And now literally I think it was two days ago I was picking up Genevieve from work and it came on the radio And I'm like oh it's our song Wait this isn't our song Why is this our song You just declared it And Genevieve by the way It was one of those things where I'm the fifth showing I held my phone up to her I'm like isn't this great and she just did not get it or like it at all

00:23:54 - 00:24:09 | Speaker 2:

really I that's interesting to me just because I feel like it is I think it's a catchy song whether it's your song or not it's I it's interesting to me that she would not just enjoy it as a catchy song you know we've never

00:24:09 - 00:24:25 | Speaker 1:

talked about that specific modern feeling by the way so let's say that let's say that you know it's Saturday morning these are sleeping in or whatever we're you know on our phones looking at stuff and then like every now and then you hold your phone up to the other person right or maybe you're at you know maybe you're at breakfast or whatever right

00:24:25 - 00:24:31 | Speaker 2:

you'll hold the phone up i'm a big lying in bed saturday and sunday morning subjecting

00:24:31 - 00:25:16 | Speaker 1:

becca to music that's my move subjecting is an interesting word there because often if and i are sharing something like hey look at this cute cat that is riding the dog that's riding the turtle you know i mean you'll be like oh and it's like 10 seconds long and it's like yeah that's nice but then sometimes you realize you're showing somebody something that is like three and a half four minutes long they don't like it in this case Genevieve like watching this SCTV thing and like just having this look on her face the whole time of just being like wed does this get good when does when does the joke but like at what point do you just bail on it and at one point you're like well it gets better later and i just remember holding the phone up for what felt like an eternity waiting for genevieve to get it and she didn't and it was just a bad feeling

00:25:16 - 00:25:20 | Speaker 2:

honestly we got to learn when to bail what's genevieve's uh opinion on i think you should

00:25:20 - 00:25:33 | Speaker 1:

leave seasons one and two genevieve likes it but i think that by the like i don't know i think by season two she started to feel like it was a little bit monochromatic a little bit like kind

00:25:33 - 00:25:43 | Speaker 2:

of a lot of very formulaic we get who these tim robinson characters are they are someone who has no sense of irony and who's taking something small and blowing it up to be too much and honestly i

00:25:43 - 00:26:25 | Speaker 1:

i mean if i were to watch both seasons back to back now with a little bit of space i don't know how i would feel but i actually liked the second season better maybe it's because i watched it like you had described a lot of the skits now now i feel like i'm blaming you for this but like it was season one was so in the zeitgeist that i had heard the premise of so many of the sketches before i saw them right where season two i watched it i think the weekend it dropped or something so it was all brand new and fresh to me and i liked season two even better i don't know if that's a popular opinion or not but i'm i'm really excited for season three i think it's uh i think it's still good i think it might even be getting better and you know patty harrison has a special place

00:26:25 - 00:26:33 | Speaker 2:

in my heart i can't stop drinking wine these are how i make my living that would be by the way

00:26:33 - 00:26:47 | Speaker 1:

that would be a good halloween costume that would be a great halloween costume the woman who drives the tables or the woman who's um or the woman who's in the like shark tank yeah the shark tank

00:26:47 - 00:27:01 | Speaker 2:

i bet you last year you know to the degree that people were out halloween in i bet you that people Were dressing up like Patty Harrison From the Shark Tank one But this year the just with a table And all you keep saying is this is how I make my living

00:27:01 - 00:27:15 | Speaker 1:

That would be good because you know what I think the most popular for people Who are in this world my guess is the most Popular I think you should leave costume This year will be Dan Flashes Or whatever the name of that shirt company Is is it Dan Flashes

00:27:15 - 00:27:17 | Speaker 2:

Yeah Dan Flashes yeah I could see a bunch of

00:27:17 - 00:27:23 | Speaker 1:

People like just putting on a loud Shirt and being the guy who loves Dan Flashes shirts well the

00:27:23 - 00:28:18 | Speaker 2:

reason i asked if what genevieve's opinion is is because i tried to subject becca to it musing the term subject i noticed which i think says a lot about how i tend to operate in a relationship but i was like early in our dating i was like very excited i was like this thing is the this and of course i way oversold it and like we watched an episode and and she has a very good sense of humor it's not like becca doesn't enjoy comedy but she was just kind of like all right i kind of see it but it's a little scatological it's a little yelly it's a little it is yelly and i don't want to i don't want to gender this because obviously there are tons of exceptions but i have heard this from other guys which is that other other friends of mine and just people that i've talked to have had the similar experience to me of trying to subject their partner in these cases a woman to that show and getting a less than super uh enthusiastic reaction yeah i could

00:28:18 - 00:28:36 | Speaker 1:

sort of see that and also I don't really like yelly stuff either I yeah I mean it's funny I wonder what my relationship to that show would be if I had just stumbled on it kind of how did you stumble on it like you it was recommended to you right or did you just were you just

00:28:36 - 00:29:25 | Speaker 2:

scrolling I must have seen a mention of it I was at a hotel somewhere it was like a Saturday morning or something and I started watching it on my laptop via Netflix and i think i was just crying i mean i was like crying with laughter and then i think immediately started blowing up you and chris's phone to say like this is this changes everything so i didn't have any i didn't have any expectation going in and so it really really slayed me but i've also again i've heard from i've heard from a few people and again let me just say there are probably literally millions of women in this country who love i think you should leave yeah i'm not trying to say it's not I know it's not for women but I have I've talked to a few people who've tried to get their female partner to watch it and enjoy it the way they do and they have struck out with

00:29:25 - 00:29:49 | Speaker 1:

that yeah I could see that you know I'm I'm even thinking of a sketch I was going to send my dad which is the hot dog sketch right so like somebody has crashed a hot dog shaped car into a store like through the storefront and everybody's standing around saying who did this and there's a guy Dressed up like a hot dog clearly The driver of this car is also saying Yeah it's like who did this

00:29:49 - 00:29:58 | Speaker 2:

I think it's a V-dub bug But it kind of evokes the Oscar Mayer Wiener mobile Like it definitely is a hot dog Mobile of some kind

00:29:58 - 00:30:00 | Speaker 1:

My guess is the majority

00:30:00 - 00:30:44 | Speaker 2:

of our audience knows exactly the sketch I'm talking about and loves it and of course it's a meme now of a guy in a hot dog looking around saying yeah we gotta find this guy actually what's the line I'm blanking on it we gotta find the guy who did this I guess we gotta find the person who did this and I do love that that bit so much and I almost sent it to my dad but I did forget that it ends with him porno yeah like raging around the store just like shoplifting things and screaming like the names of all kinds of porn sites and I can't remember exactly how it bridges into that it sort of works for for the sketch but i understand why it is a hard show to recommend to somebody who you don't know is already kind of dialed into that thing especially like i don't know man it is it is more scatological than a lot of the stuff that i uh that i usually am

00:30:44 - 00:31:15 | Speaker 1:

drawn to yeah if you think about like some of the really hilarious sketches are has this ever happened to you where these two workers come over to this guy's house and basically like Replace his toilet with a toilet That has a very very small What would you call it hole In it drain hole yeah a joke a joke Fart toilet and then another One is where he is Accusing the host of a party Of not using enough toilet paper when Wiping themselves and therefore getting

00:31:15 - 00:31:19 | Speaker 2:

Everybody sick yep I forgot about That one yeah there's a lot of that yeah

00:31:19 - 00:31:22 | Speaker 1:

There's also I mean way more scatological humor Than I remembered until I'm watching it with Becca

00:31:22 - 00:31:53 | Speaker 2:

There's the I mean I love this one and Genevieve and this might be our favorite, but the guy in the gun shop who's like trying to buy a gun and then every time he Paint the bowl. Yeah, okay we don't have to talk about this anymore for people who know and people who don't know but I love that one. But yeah, so many of them do come back to scatological humor now that you put it that way and that is not usually something that is up my alley but I'm very, very much looking forward to season three. Also obviously they are making a season three. Yeah, I saw that a while back. I need to

00:31:53 - 00:32:04 | Speaker 1:

go watch Detroiters. You do And I was going to think, did I finish that? I think I watched like two or three episodes, and I really enjoyed it. Oh, it's great. But I just kind of – I keep forgetting. It's just such more of a – Forgetting to watch Detroit.

00:32:05 - 00:32:18 | Speaker 2:

It's such more of a low-key joy. Like I love that show, but it's not sketch comedy. It's more of a format. It's him and – oh, I'm blanking on his name. Robbins.

00:32:18 - 00:32:28 | Speaker 1:

It is – I always want to say Zach Kanan, who's the co-creator, but that's not who it is. It is a Tim Robinson and Michael.

00:32:29 - 00:32:34 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, this is embarrassing. I want to say Michael. Sam Richardson. Of course, it's Sam Richardson.

00:32:34 - 00:32:46 | Speaker 1:

Well, see, that's why I kept thinking. Well, first of all, I was wrong with the first name. It turns out it's not Michael. But Sam Richardson is very similar to me to Tim Robinson. And so I was thinking Richardson, but I was like, wait, that's the other guy's name.

00:32:47 - 00:32:56 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's one of those things where when I have one of their names in my head, I can't think of their other name. But anyway, yeah, the Detroiters is much more of a low-key watch, but absolutely delightful.

00:32:57 - 00:33:11 | Speaker 1:

All right. Well, I will – now that I have the Watcher out of the way. Yeah. I will – by the way, that was a New York Magazine piece. Because remember we were trying to remember what the original media was that we were consuming.

00:33:11 - 00:33:16 | Speaker 2:

Oh, that the true story that the Watcher is based on, that came out of –

00:33:16 - 00:33:58 | Speaker 1:

2018 New York Magazine piece. Gotcha. That's what we were referencing. I see. Gotcha. so anyway that is good we have now closed the loop on that i got another couple of loops to close involving blake shelton and christopher maloney when we come back yeah short break let's thank some daily donors these are the wonderful generous folks making tbtl possible on this thursday with their donations folks like asia brundage more in new york city

00:33:58 - 00:34:06 | Speaker 2:

getting asia that didn't make sense what did you say i said getting asia i don't know man

00:34:06 - 00:34:23 | Speaker 1:

well i was i actually feel like i let you down because i vacillated because i almost wanted to say you really are the most devious donor in new but then i stopped because He's like, that's not Asha. No. Asha is not the most devious donor in New York City. I just wanted to be funny like Matthew Barry.

00:34:23 - 00:34:28 | Speaker 2:

Sometimes I feel like New York City is like a third character in this podcast.

00:34:29 - 00:34:33 | Speaker 1:

Which is ironic because neither of us live there or go there that often. Although I'm going there in like two weeks.

00:34:33 - 00:34:34 | Speaker 2:

Are you? What for?

00:34:36 - 00:35:00 | Speaker 1:

I'm doing this story about Hallmark holiday movies. and i was actually today i was going to be in ottawa canada on the set of a holly robinson pete hallmark movie but it was prohibitively expensive cbs never says anything about travel they never like how much is the ticket this was

00:35:00 - 00:35:07 | Speaker 2:

It was one of those times where they had the producer, Gabriel, put a budget together, and it was going to be like $6,000 or $7,000 just for me to go to Ottawa.

00:35:07 - 00:35:10 | Speaker 1:

It is a long flight, I guess, and it's technically international.

00:35:12 - 00:35:41 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it was just going to be too expensive. So I'm still doing the story, but I'm going to New York in a couple weeks because there's basically the upfronts of Hallmark movies. A bunch of the stars are going to be there, including a woman named Lacey Chabert. She was on the TV show Party of Five, and she is, by all accounts, the kind of main star of a lot of these Hallmark holiday movies. So that's where I'm going.

00:35:41 - 00:35:49 | Speaker 1:

Are you watching about—we should move on, but are you watching a lot of these movies as prep for this? Because it doesn't seem like the type of thing that, like, you would naturally watch in your downtime.

00:35:50 - 00:36:39 | Speaker 2:

I have not started the process, but I will be watching a number of them in preparation for this. I'm a little bummed because I was excited to have on my resume Background character in Hallmark movie So that's a little bit To be totally honest I agreed to do it The producer was like And then we can have you be in one of the movies And I was like okay that would be funny That would make Becca laugh if I was in one of those So I agreed and then they said Well that's too expensive to have you in the movie So just go to New York and interview Lacey Chabert Well we can still get you one of those movies I'll pull some strings If I move to Ottawa They shoot all of them in Ottawa and Vancouver So if I move to either Ottawa or Vancouver And then sign up with a local talent agent I bet you I could get I could be an extra on one of those films What's wild is they're filming it today And it was released for Christmas

00:36:39 - 00:36:45 | Speaker 1:

Oh wow yeah That's a tight turnaround Like that's you know

00:36:45 - 00:36:52 | Speaker 2:

That's You're not gonna I guess you're not sweating the details On some of the edit with that

00:36:52 - 00:37:01 | Speaker 1:

I just like the idea of people now Instead of like trying to make it to LA They like kind of show up in Ottawa With a bindle over their shoulder Looking to make it in pictures

00:37:01 - 00:37:20 | Speaker 2:

Uh huh They're gonna put me in the movies Anyway thanks Asha Brundage Moore of New York City I said it without any kind of editorializing But I do appreciate you Asha Thank you Also Jill Jackson is in Lakewood, Ohio Andrew

00:37:20 - 00:37:28 | Speaker 1:

Indeed Jill is Jill writes into the show from time to time Of course, I lived in Lakewood, Ohio for some of the best years of my adolescence.

00:37:29 - 00:37:30 | Speaker 2:

Was that near Lake Erie Screw?

00:37:31 - 00:37:51 | Speaker 1:

It was. The house I lived in abutted Lake Erie Screw. I would sit on the roof of the little separate garage and look at the tow motors or forklifts as they moved big spools of steel to and fro. It was great. Smoked some secret cigarettes up there. Don't tell my dad.

00:37:51 - 00:37:55 | Speaker 2:

What did you smoke as a teen? Did you have a brand, or was it just whatever you get your hands on?

00:37:55 - 00:38:21 | Speaker 1:

At this point, I think I was so new to smoking, it was probably whatever I could get my hands on. I definitely went through phases. I remember going through—I remember when I was in high school, when I latched onto something, I think my first big brand was Marlboro Mediums. So you had Marlboro Lights, Marlboro Reds, and then the medium was right in the middle there, Luke, and that's what I smoked. And then for most of my smoking career, I was a Camel Light guy.

00:38:22 - 00:38:24 | Speaker 2:

I see. That has a filter on it, though, right?

00:38:24 - 00:38:27 | Speaker 1:

They all have filters, yeah. I mean, all of these that I'm discussing, yeah.

00:38:28 - 00:38:54 | Speaker 2:

By the way, don't smoke, kids. No, also very much don't smoke. I learned that the hard way. 100%. That's one of the main things Jill Jackson of Lakewood, Ohio taught me. Don't smoke, kids. Craig Berenger is in Edmonds, Washington. Thank you, Craig. Thanks, Craig. I almost called him Craigery for some reason, which doesn't even make sense. I have a friend named Craig, and I sometimes call him Craigery. But I don't know Craig Berenger that way So I'll just stick with Craig

00:38:54 - 00:39:05 | Speaker 1:

Craig's a tough one for me I feel like you hear my Ohio accent A lot in Craig Sorry the cat just jumped on my leg The cat is now on my lap

00:39:05 - 00:39:13 | Speaker 2:

It scaled my body like Mount Rushmore In its claws Really bubs you've got to do that Do your little cackle for the listeners Will you

00:39:13 - 00:39:16 | Speaker 1:

That means she'll pounce

00:39:16 - 00:39:23 | Speaker 2:

You can't hear it under the music but she's doing that we both at this moment do we both have cats purring on our

00:39:23 - 00:39:47 | Speaker 1:

lap my no my little bingo moved over to the chair next to me is roll he's curled up like a little comma here like a little bean he's asleep there I tweeted out I kind of hate to do it like I don't want to be that guy who's just constantly tweeting out photos of his have you seen my Twitter I said I don't want to be that guy he gestures towards the IPDTL computer that he's talking

00:39:47 - 00:39:58 | Speaker 2:

to you with right now he gestures to the guy who has whose twitter banner is his running shorts while he's going to the bathroom and the cat is in them oh i don't know if i i'm glad that i haven't

00:39:58 - 00:39:59 | Speaker 1:

seen that uh but anyway

00:40:00 - 00:41:42 | Speaker 2:

Yeah so before the show today Bingo was Fell asleep momentarily on My radio board and I thought I could just do The show that way as long as he didn't move around too Much but then he started to stretch he does This thing where some cats really curl Up I guess he's doing that right now while he's sleeping But he really likes to stretch Out he's just like he's so Comfortable being vulnerable Like there is not a paranoid What must that be like? Oh my I've never had a cat Like this I've never had a day Like this in my own personal life it is just so amazing he is just so malleable and trusting and just chill this is it this is my my using up of my um my bingo uh reference for the day but i had we do have some more people to thank here my apologies for doing this here but i just want to say i almost broke down in tears yesterday when i realized that my new kitty isn't just the coolest cat in the world he's not afraid of the vacuum he thinks it's a toy now like my entire life cats are scared of vacuums you have to like kind of make sure that i don't want to cause trauma to my cat so i always try to do it when the cat's in the other room vacuum a room that the cat's not in whatever well our whole basement is where we're keeping bingo now kind of keeping the cat separated for a while now is uh carpeted i had a lot of vacuuming to do since we have a cat who's been living down here um and i'm like okay i'm gonna try to do this in the other part of the room and hopefully not not freak him out too much we'll see how this goes bingo comes running over to see what's going on and then just chases the vacuum around while i'm vacuuming and not in the not in not getting in my way not annoying just enjoying vacuuming with me i'm like what did i do to deserve this that is adorable

00:41:42 - 00:41:59 | Speaker 1:

because one of your favorite things to do is vacuum yes exactly and just the fact that you can share that with the cat yeah is that's a match made heaven you know i used to have a dog Flea who was a boxer and her move was whenever you vacuum she would furiously hump the leg of

00:41:59 - 00:42:05 | Speaker 2:

whoever was vacuuming. Wow, it's an aphrodisi vac. I just came up with that. I just came up with that.

00:42:06 - 00:42:47 | Speaker 1:

100% aphrodisi. And I made an entire movie by entire movie. I entered the Stranger newspaper. Used to have a short film festival. Maybe they still do. And I made a short film that camaro kev and jd helped me with where i set it up like it was a very i was on a director's chair in kuow down in that like performance space kind of on the second level and there was like a tracking shot up to me and i was introducing this film called forbidden love that was i was it was supposed to seem like it was a real art house kind of film some kind of very high-minded thing and then when we cut to the film it's just the dog humping my leg set to who

00:42:47 - 00:42:52 | Speaker 2:

let the dogs out and then didn't you have a really long credit roll after that i did i stole the

00:42:52 - 00:43:07 | Speaker 1:

credits from casino i took all of the actual credits from the movie casino and then i typed i don't know why i didn't just leave the real names and i made up names and by the way it's really hard to make up like 300 names it's hard to make up names that sound real john johnson

00:43:07 - 00:43:13 | Speaker 2:

territory really fast it's so hard like making up a name for a story like a first and last name

00:43:13 - 00:43:24 | Speaker 1:

it you just it always feels so phony yes i should have just used the real name i mean who like who cares i don't know if i thought i was going to get in trouble or something well it is more creative

00:43:24 - 00:43:36 | Speaker 2:

so you took the you took the casino credits because you wanted the you wanted all of the titles but you didn't want to use the actual name so you recreated yes so i retyped all of the titles

00:43:36 - 00:44:47 | Speaker 1:

all of the jobs that are listed in the credits of the movie casino but then i just put made up names in which again i don't know that that movie must be somewhere on like a um like um i used to have a uh what was it it was a um sony like dsr 500 was that the name of a a digital camera that sounds plausible i had one of those kind of like cool digital not the canon everyone had the xl the canon xl1 but i had the i had a sony dsr something and it had those little kind of mini tapes look like dat tapes yep yep i'm sure it's on one of those tapes somewhere but um it did not get it was not accepted at the stranger short film festival oh and i've never forgiven dan savage for that well you're submitting it to the hump festival oh actually was it for the sex it wasn't but god i mean i think i would have gotten into hump yeah quite literally it was um it was a non it was a non-sexual film festival as far as i understood but anyway none of this has to do with thanking sarah brown of houston texas it has to do with apologizing to sarah brown because maybe you're an astros fan and that's okay sarah you get to be that despite all the things that we've

00:44:47 - 00:44:59 | Speaker 2:

said and we'll continue to say oh no what if sarah is the person who i blocked on the tech on my text chain phone i should unblock that person right now yeah well boy that's a real

00:44:59 - 00:45:15 | Speaker 1:

that's a that's a tough call. Sarah is obviously very generous and loves this show to the degree that Sarah is donating hard-earned money to keep it going. But then is also maybe the person who said, it brings me no joy to do this, but go Astros. I will say this though.

00:45:15 - 00:45:54 | Speaker 2:

That is because I do want to say this, like in the moment, I have no regrets about saying, Hey, I'm going to block this for a while because I'm in some sports pain right now. And I don't kind of need to hear that. But like people were like, Hey, you know, I'm sorry. Like there's some people saying, Hey, we're not all jerks or sorry that person was a jerk or um you know whatever and i i'd say i don't think that person was a jerk like i think that person maybe you know didn't have a lot of people that they could reach out to to like talk about the baseball game we were involved i i don't i don't think saying to me in that moment go astros was the thing that i wanted to hear and i don't think i would have done that to like a blue jays fan like during our victorious uh series but i do

00:45:54 - 00:46:05 | Speaker 1:

I didn't send you that video of sad Blue Jays fans, and I told our text chain that I'm hydrating from the tears of these Blue Jays fans. Did you? But that was to you all. Yeah, but that's still different, though.

00:46:05 - 00:46:22 | Speaker 2:

I didn't send it to one of our listeners in Toronto. Bill in Kingston or whatever. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, but I do want to say here, like, this person is not a jerk. It was just like it came in at a time, and I said, hey, I don't want to get these personal messages about sports hurt right now, but I'm going to see. I don't even know how to unblock people. So sorry, Sarah.

00:46:22 - 00:46:36 | Speaker 1:

Do you know that I block a person on our text chain now On Sundays just so I don't get my blood pressure up Sammy And then I unblock them Yep, it's you actually, Andrew And then I unblock them

00:46:36 - 00:47:23 | Speaker 2:

I unblock them the next day Dude, I actually wish you would block me I was really embarrassed What? Oh no, you know what I was watching that 18 inning Mariners game On about a two minute delay because I was watching it on some, you know, video stream that I found online that was sketchy. And I made a joke about Robbie Ray's pants in the bullpen, and I hit go on it. And it was about, I sent that joke about two minutes before I watched Pena's home run that would end the game, basically end the game for it. And I realized you guys probably got my joke tweet right during one of the most painful moments of the entire Mariners season. does that ring a bell to you now that i say that because i was super embarrassed i don't think i

00:47:23 - 00:47:42 | Speaker 1:

touched the text chain the rest of the day i mean that's not a fair i don't remember that text coming through i was just pacing like a lunatic anyway at that point but like that's not a fair standard because by that by that standard then no one can really say anything because we could always be five seconds away from a game-changing development i'm trying to think if i'm thinking

00:47:42 - 00:48:07 | Speaker 2:

of the right thing though too because i swear i did something on sunday that was almost exactly the same oh yeah i think yeah i also sent you some really really dumb tweet that i made that was sort of making fun of brock huard sort of commenting on gino smith or something and again i was watching on a delay and i sent you that right and it would have hit you right during a really really painful moment of the of the seahawks game i did it two days in a row i think

00:48:07 - 00:48:50 | Speaker 1:

last weekend this stuff lives in my head i would never just i want you to know that that would never irk me because i would just understand the timing was you sent it whenever you sent it and then it just like i know for that if like the seahawks like lose a game you're not going to be like sending some kind of tone deaf text right after that like it's clearly just a you know it's just a timing issue i would never take it that way do you realize and you know who does realize this probably is paul pope of annapolis maryland because paul knows a lot of things as does mary collins of seattle washington do you know that it was only a couple weeks ago that i learned and everyone else must know this that russell wilson apparently audibled that play in the super bowl

00:48:50 - 00:49:15 | Speaker 2:

that led to the interception i thought we were talking about that on this show that was part of that that was part of that big um that article that brady henderson i didn't realize it until that article yeah yeah yeah you i think that that was the big reveal of that article i think you told me about that on the show did you not maybe i'm confusing it with listening to sports radio but yeah that that is not everybody is on board with that but that is that is one accusation i

00:49:15 - 00:49:45 | Speaker 1:

have defended that i have spent years of my life defending that call saying like look they only had x number of timeouts and they were going to need to throw it on a certain down they were going to have to throw it at some point and they were trying to use the element of surprise i had like Probably out of a survival instinct I had developed this whole Kind of argument on behalf of that play And then when I learned that No, that was just Russell freelancing Something inside me really broke From that information

00:49:45 - 00:50:09 | Speaker 2:

If it's true, by the way I don't think that that has been Because I heard Brady talking about it It's like me trying to remember My cat's names now But I heard Brady talking about it On the radio And I thought that he was saying Like that is, that is an accusation. that's out there some people say it's true some people say that is not true right is that how you read the actual piece I only heard him talk about it yeah I don't even remember if he mentions it

00:50:09 - 00:50:35 | Speaker 3:

in that he must have mentioned in that piece because now I'm just seeing it kind of I'm seeing it referred to as a given at this point you know I don't think it was like people are just like and another thing he did that which I was like this is news to me and I feel like I would have really like I had just gotten over that and then again I was just re-traumatized by knowing that that might have just been russell that might have been the danger witch trying to cook

00:50:35 - 00:52:26 | Speaker 2:

well yeah and then also dan um um luke i'm really having i almost called you andrew um so that's that's not really good danny o'neill for a second i couldn't remember danny's last name who i still i i need danny o'neill i need to i need to pay for his um for his media services yeah because i am subscribed to it but i only get to see the beginning of his new of his like daily newsletter but then it says you know click here and pay to read more every day and i never do that so i'm only reading for content so i'm always reading the first half of danny's pieces which i really like and i like him and i should support independent media so i will do that after the show today in fact but he's been really writing about it too like saying like hey listen some of this stuff is delicious as a uh seahawks fan who you know we felt kind of spurned there if that's the right word which i don't think it is uh it is okay yes that's exactly the right um but uh but also it is a little it's starting to feel a little bit gross not just me and us as just like kind of casual fans but like all the media and everybody just kind of being like now now just like this narrative that like he was always just a terrible person from richard sherman and uh lynch yesterday or over the weekend talking about how oh we can't call him because he would never give out his private phone number you have to call his agent are these stories of of him supposedly quote-unquote demanding like special hotel accommodations for his staff on the road and like it just sort of sounds it sort of feel like we went there is an amount of piling on yeah exactly that now everything is sort of fitting that narrative which i think we should all be maybe maybe we can all calm down on that a little bit i'm not rooting for him but i think we can maybe be like all of these things can't be true at the same time when we like him he can do no wrong and now that we don't like him he's just a terrible selfish human being right i'm with you

00:52:26 - 00:53:03 | Speaker 3:

on that and that's why i said on the no point this week that i actually feel like i feel like it's enough already like i i kind of i mean i don't want to see him go win the super bowl for another team but i i feel like he has been brought lower than i could have ever imagined like i was Fully ready for him to just be triumphant And for it to really kind of be a thorn in my Side but it's a Whole other situation like It's it's gotten to a point now that It's like okay this this poor I mean he's like he's tweeting Bible verses like Like a person who's like literally having A psychotic break What did okay

00:53:03 - 00:53:50 | Speaker 2:

One quick last thing on this I think I was listening To the levitard yesterday or maybe It was no I think it was levitard it was just such a Quick throwaway line that it actually was Like more damning than anything else People were talking about how he no longer is saying Let's ride at the end of press Conferences because it kind of like it was kind Of he gave he whimpered out a sad One as you talked about I remember that The other day and I didn't really hear that and then Somebody said hey do you think that Russell Wilson will Be like kind of doing any cute Twitter videos This week and everyone's like nope he's just Going to go to ground there will be no tweets and I think Dan Levitard said well On game day there will be a picture Of a jersey and he'll write compete Or something like that And I'm like yeah that sounds about right It wasn't quite compete though It was just like this picture of a jersey And like always I don't know what the word was

00:53:50 - 00:54:08 | Speaker 3:

Well the thing he's really doing now Is this like hyper Christian stuff Like it's just It's like all caps Like I praise you God Stuff you know which I very much grew up with that But it's how he is taking some solace And you know some people take solace from that And some of them are our listeners

00:54:08 - 00:54:12 | Speaker 2:

I take solace in worse ways, so I'm not going to dunk on that. Absolutely.

00:54:12 - 00:55:00 | Speaker 3:

That's better than the Jameson that I've been taking solace in of late. Anyway, that is my way of saying thank you to our donors of the day. That was a long one. I praise you, all caps. That was a long one. Like I should. Hello, and welcome to Top Story. Okay, a couple of quick things. One, I took us down such an unsatisfying and incorrect rabbit hole the other day regarding if the singer Blake Shelton has a song called I Hate Every Bone in Your Body Except Mine or something, and I thought he had a song, and you looked it up, and you're like, I'm not seeing that. And I asked Carrie about that as the Blake Shelton aficionado that I know, and she said, no, that was a—

00:55:00 - 00:55:05 | Speaker 2:

tweet that he wrote okay it is a song though remember it's a song by a band he said i believe

00:55:05 - 00:55:35 | Speaker 1:

the tweet i don't have the tweet in front of me but she said it was something like he tweeted i'm thinking about writing a song with this lyric and then she had brought it up and her friend jake who had seen it also we had all the three of us talked about it because it was such a ridiculous turn of phrase so he doesn't it is a song he doesn't sing it i don't know why he was trying to claim original that's a weird authorship of that idea but it was not a song by blake shelton which explains why we couldn't find a song by blake shelton by that name can i give i know we

00:55:35 - 00:56:13 | Speaker 2:

have more updates to do as well but can i also give an update related to music with um questionable lyrics i had mentioned that the lyrics to mistress for christmas were a little untoward and then i said but i didn't say what they were and i mentioned on the show i wonder if like there's an uptick in people Googling the lyrics for Mistress for Christmas after me sort of teasing that. Well, Alicia in Ontario went inside the Internet in a way that I don't fully understand, was able to get a graph, a chart of the people who have Googled Mistress for Christmas lyrics.

00:56:13 - 00:56:16 | Speaker 1:

And according to Alicia, you can see that information.

00:56:16 - 00:56:55 | Speaker 2:

Yes. And this was posted to the Slack page. zero worldwide searches for five days previous than a jump to 71 searches on the day that episode dropped hashtag influencers wait wait wait wait wait yes there were zero searches in the days previous five days previous and that does and that is amazing to me yeah that there's anything that has zero searches right five days yeah and but and then i think that but there was a higher peak right previous to that five days of no searches so it looked like a hundred people might have googled that previous so I don't know if another podcast was talking about that or what

00:56:55 - 00:56:59 | Speaker 1:

well I mean honestly 71 that's impressive

00:56:59 - 00:57:03 | Speaker 2:

and I'm one of them because I googled it you know so 70 so 70

00:57:03 - 00:57:35 | Speaker 1:

not counting me I may have googled it too so really 69 yeah there you go Ronnie Munde voice for those who celebrate that's just purely to make Phyllis laugh Ronnie the limo driver on the Howard Stern show Was once hosting a bikini contest At a pool in Las Vegas And he was just yelling A string of ridiculous Overly sexualized Weird things Which they've now pulled all the audio And they just play it constantly To torment him Including him yelling 69

00:57:35 - 00:58:01 | Speaker 2:

Are there big chunks of That show that are not available When you said they pulled it, at first I thought you meant they pulled it from the archives because they didn't want to be associated with it. Has Stern, because I mean obviously Stern's been around forever and has always been kind of on the, you know, his whole thing has been rattling cages and saying things you shouldn't say and doing things you shouldn't do. Are there parts of that show that are like verboten now?

00:58:02 - 00:58:05 | Speaker 1:

You mean like old episodes that are not available?

00:58:05 - 00:58:10 | Speaker 2:

That they've taken down because they feel like it would truly be problematic through today's lens.

00:58:10 - 00:59:59 | Speaker 1:

That would actually be a really good question for our friend P. Fletch, because she knows much more about this than I do. But my sense is, as far as Sirius goes, because that's where they are now, that show, it's just all things that have happened on Sirius. And I would say, other than being raunchy, most of the time that they've been on Sirius, I think that they have—it's recent enough, even though it's like 20 years on now, But it's relatively recent enough that I don't think that they're saying things that are overtly racist or homophobic or like stuff that you would definitely not. And I know they did a lot of that stuff back in the day, you know, under the sort of cover of humor and comedy. Back when they're on the radio, terrestrial radio. Extremely, extremely regrettable and doesn't hold up. I will say that where they're at now, it's very bizarre. Again, Phyllis and I should just do a spinoff podcast about Stern because I'd be curious to get her opinion on this stuff because they're still – I mean Howard Stern is still very problematic around race. Like the way – he just talks about stuff in a way – he is both in a certain way pretty woke at this point, like very much in favor of trans rights and people being able to live their life however it is they choose to. But then he'll also say like he'll use the wrong term or the wrong pronoun for Caitlyn Jenner or he'll say accidentally or he does it to make a point accidentally. I think out of just like lack of care or he'll talk about he grew up in Roosevelt, Long Island, New York, and he talks incessantly about how he was by his description, the only white person in what became a predominantly African-American neighborhood. And I think he thinks that gives him some kind of pass on talking.

01:00:00 - 01:00:35 | Speaker 2:

about you know the african-americans that he went to school with and this and that yes it's not like the show is is problem free at this point but it's it's certainly come a long way from the uh w nbc days and i don't think those episodes are available and probably it's just as well it's like when howard stern's voice is really high in a recording it's like when homer sim it's like when marge's hair is too wavy in an episode of the simpsons or like bart's hair is too wavy I just know that it's a really long ago one That I don't want to watch Howard Stern

01:00:35 - 01:01:01 | Speaker 1:

I've made this reference a lot on the show And I think a lot of people think I'm totally Just wrong on this topic But Howard Stern seems like the epitome Of a white guy Who would refer to black men As dudes He seems like the type of guy where if he said So I was in the store and this dude comes up to me I feel like he's saying that about a black man I could be wrong about that But I do feel like certain people say dude When they're talking about black guys

01:01:01 - 01:02:19 | Speaker 2:

It's very possible I was like the pause in my voice Was me trying to like rewind You know 20 years of the Howard Stern Show and think if I could think of an example of that And I can't but he certainly Uses problematic language And terminology often around A variety of topics Even though he is also at the same time Like for instance they've renamed Well first of all having the whack pack is probably questionable as a thing, but they've renamed some of the characters in the Wack Pack to be, there's a woman named Wendy, and she's known as Wendy the Slow Adult now. She used to have a much more pejorative name, and she calls him the show all the time. She likes being part of the show, but they call her Wendy the Slow Adult. There's a guy who's actually here in Portland. His name used to be Gary Thee, again, pejorative. Now he's called Gary the Conqueror. Like, so, you know, they're they're trying in their own way as a bunch of, you know, mostly 60 year old white dudes and then Robin Quivers. So Robin Quivers, Robin is interesting because she is of that generation that I feel she buys in a bit into sort of respectability politics, which is also complicated, you know. So anyway, that's where I spend three hundred dollars of my money a year to listen to that show.

01:02:19 - 01:02:32 | Speaker 1:

I haven't listened in quite some time. My free trial totally passed without me even checking it out once this time. Anyway, I got us. I don't even know how we ended up there, but it's my fault. But you had another update, I think. I did.

01:02:32 - 01:02:48 | Speaker 2:

And it involves local zaddy. And by local, I mean he probably lives in Los Angeles. Christopher Maloney. Okay, he's on one of those, what are they, Law and Order? But it's like SVU something or whatever. Isn't that what he's on?

01:02:48 - 01:02:53 | Speaker 1:

I can't tell you which one he's on, but he's on one of those. Yeah, I've never seen any of those, so I don't know.

01:02:53 - 01:03:11 | Speaker 2:

I think he's on one of those ones with Mariska Hargitay, who's kind of been forever on those shows. It's interesting. Mariska Hargitay, her dad was a bodybuilder named Mickey Hargitay, and her brother is the landscaper who does all of the plants at the Burbank Airport. And I know because when you walk by these succulents, it says Mickey Hargitay.

01:03:11 - 01:03:12 | Speaker 1:

Oh, interesting.

01:03:12 - 01:03:16 | Speaker 2:

It's like got her brother's name on the, like, this is like Landscape by Mickey Hargitay.

01:03:16 - 01:03:18 | Speaker 1:

That's interesting. I didn't know.

01:03:18 - 01:03:25 | Speaker 2:

Next time we're at the Burbank Airport, check out the plants. The lady from the woman, I should say, from SVU, her brother's in charge of the plants.

01:03:26 - 01:03:38 | Speaker 1:

And the Burbank Airport, that's the what's it called again? Is it Bob Hope? OK, it's Bob Hope. Then who's John Wayne? Who's John? Where's John Wayne? He's in Orange County. OK, gotcha. I get those two confused.

01:03:38 - 01:04:37 | Speaker 2:

anyway so um christopher maloney is on those shows and he is also uh has a very uh a very voluptuous posterior that has been noted on the internet and he's been called a zaddy which is an interesting turn for this guy who's not young and uh an unlikely uh person for people to lust for and i was trying to remember the movie that he was in where he plays like a kind of a punk sort of skinhead not with the racial implications but just kind of like a shaved head tough guy and i thought he was in some kind of wonderful or one of those movies and then i went on imdb and i could not find him and it's because as listener max pointed out and you said somebody else yeah my friend edward wrote to me too about this today it is a young elias cotias who looks max attached a photo of a young christopher maloney and a young elias cotias however you say his last

01:04:37 - 01:04:54 | Speaker 1:

name who you might know from just shoot me andrew elias cotias um i know him because i was listening to that teenage mutant ninja turtles podcast recently and he played um casey jones in those movies that's my first point of reference yeah i thought for some reason maybe i was confusing

01:04:54 - 01:05:00 | Speaker 2:

with news radio you weren't a just shoot me head i um i that's the one with dave

01:05:00 - 01:05:03 | Speaker 3:

David Spade, I want to say, but I didn't watch it. I didn't watch a lot of it.

01:05:03 - 01:05:04 | Speaker 2:

Laura San Giacomo.

01:05:05 - 01:05:08 | Speaker 3:

Do they run a magazine or am I confusing that with a different one? Okay, gotcha.

01:05:08 - 01:05:19 | Speaker 2:

No, they run a magazine. George Siegel is the publisher. Laura San Giacomo. I think that's her dad on the show. She is a writer. And then Elias Cotillas, I think, is like a photographer or something.

01:05:19 - 01:05:26 | Speaker 3:

Oh, yeah. He's always wearing like a backwards Kangol. Sure. That's him? Okay.

01:05:26 - 01:05:54 | Speaker 2:

I believe so. Now, I've been wrong on this whole topic already once, so I don't feel super confident, but I think that's him later, maybe, I don't know. No, I could be wrong. I think his name was Elliot on the show. Anyway, point is, I was thinking of a young Elias Cotillas and not a young Christopher Maloney, but they look so similar that I'm actually letting myself off this hook because it's, you know, it's understandable that I would mix them up because they're almost like dead ringers. I think you did it again, though.

01:05:54 - 01:05:56 | Speaker 3:

I don't think, I think it might be this guy.

01:05:56 - 01:05:58 | Speaker 2:

Who's the guy that plays Elliot on Just Shoot Me

01:05:58 - 01:06:00 | Speaker 3:

Enrico Colatoni

01:06:00 - 01:06:09 | Speaker 2:

Oh Yeah Man well then what did Elias But wait what did Elias Go on to do

01:06:09 - 01:06:13 | Speaker 3:

Casey Jones and I think doesn't he have a famous Father or something

01:06:13 - 01:06:32 | Speaker 2:

Yeah he's definitely not the guy from Just Shoot Me I'm sorry I said that about you Elias He What else was he in Was he in Full Metal Jacket I don't know I'm seeing pictures of him in a Like in a military uniform Like he was in one of those Like platoon type of movies Or something I'll just stop now Because I'm just digging

01:06:32 - 01:06:34 | Speaker 3:

Now we're making it worse again

01:06:34 - 01:06:38 | Speaker 2:

I want to mention though That Elias Cotillas Is still also Pretty much a zaddy

01:06:38 - 01:06:47 | Speaker 3:

Oh yeah Very handsome man Yeah yeah yeah Extremely handsome Yeah yeah That is what I always like seeing A handsome older man Because I always think like Oh I have time to get in shape

01:06:47 - 01:07:00 | Speaker 2:

Yes By the way He was in Some Kind of Wonderful Okay And he was in Chicago He's been on Chicago PD Since 2014 so i feel even more justified in mixing him up with christopher maloney because they're both

01:07:00 - 01:07:57 | Speaker 3:

on these procedural type deals yeah yeah yeah yeah which again like i'm forgetting like how many of them there are like i've never watched any of them i told you that um former kind of colleague slash boss at uh new hampshire public radio this is you know going back i left there in 2009 so this is probably like i don't know maybe 2006 or seven or something um this guy i who got a cease and desist order from i want to say his internet provider because he was bit torrenting and downloading a bunch of i think law and orders and he kind of got a slap on the wrist uh for it and i don't think i don't think there were any consequences just got a warning but i was just astounded i was just like you can't not see that like you turn on the television like how can you like of all of the things to get in trouble for stealing why would you steal that you turn over the earth you find one of those episodes it's like go to any laundromat yeah

01:07:57 - 01:08:04 | Speaker 2:

you know i think he said the answer is joe brown and law and order are always playing in every

01:08:04 - 01:08:17 | Speaker 3:

laundromat and soccer matches if you're in la i feel like there are a lot of soccer matches i moved around a lot um for i never latched on to a single laundromat in la we had generally

01:08:17 - 01:08:29 | Speaker 2:

washer and dryer but when they went out occasionally i'd go to that lucy's on Sunset. I can't picture that. I don't think I've been there. Then that became a hot spot for stand-up comedy, for pop-up stand-up comedy.

01:08:29 - 01:08:34 | Speaker 3:

Oh, in the laundromat? That's cool. I like that a lot. Yeah, it was actually a very cool spot for it. Yeah, that's cool.

01:08:36 - 01:08:59 | Speaker 1:

There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll. You can't just listen to your soul. Just remember that life is number one. You can't We have been so much fun. Just remember that life is much fun. You can be nothing but funny.

01:09:05 - 01:09:51 | Speaker 3:

All right. Let's do some Blur's Days. Luke, have a pretty healthy amount of Blur's Days today. If you want to wish somebody or yourself a happy Blur's Day, email me andrew at tbtl.net and put blursday in the subject line. You know who did that? Monty did and Monty says I appreciate the opportunity to wish both of my kids a happy happy blursday. There's two happies in there Luke. I like to think there's one per child. On October 18th Ira will be six and Tilly will be two. What do you think about that? They share a birthday. Sending mad amounts of love to my little family and to the tens. Thank you from a you 10 cute ira and tilly those are great great great names great family mike says we're a

01:09:51 - 01:09:59 | Speaker 2:

mated pair of tens from san jose california it sounds like mike met his partner in captivity it sort of does san jose

01:10:00 - 01:10:00 | Speaker 1:

But they get along.

01:10:00 - 01:10:24 | Speaker 2:

Mike and his partner together, put him and Michelle together, and they were like, will they mate in captivity and create a child? Which they have. That's the gist of Mike's message. He says, we're a mated pair of tens from San Jose, California, and I was hoping to get a shout out for my wife and new mother, Michelle, for her 31st birthday. Michelle, congratulations. Yeah. It was awesome.

01:10:24 - 01:10:25 | Speaker 1:

Happy Blurist.

01:10:25 - 01:10:42 | Speaker 2:

She spawned an 11. Again, spawned. Are you in captivity? Are you swimming up a river? What's happening with your family, Michael? She spawned an 11 last month. And so, Kaladin is also one month old this week. Aw, Kaladin.

01:10:43 - 01:10:48 | Speaker 1:

Happy Blur's Day, everybody. Welcome to the family. Yeah, and sorry for what you're about to hear for the rest of your life.

01:10:48 - 01:10:56 | Speaker 2:

Kaladin was like He's thinking Elias Koteas was not the guy on Just Shoot Me

01:10:56 - 01:11:20 | Speaker 1:

Already Sending an email Also got a note from Dakota Just asking us to wish Dakota's wife Amy In Memphis a happy Blur's Day Now my guess is, and I'm not 100% sure on this But Amy in Memphis, that might be our roller skating 10 Amy, right? I believe so Yeah, happy Blur's Day Amy We got to hang out with Amy down in Florida during the live show at the—

01:11:20 - 01:11:25 | Speaker 2:

Also, I just realized I used she to describe Kaladin. I don't know what Kaladin's—

01:11:25 - 01:11:27 | Speaker 1:

I almost asked you about that, but I didn't want to—

01:11:27 - 01:11:42 | Speaker 2:

Gender is, I kind of guessed, but, you know, who knows? Yeah, exactly. We'll leave that to Kaladin to figure out. Yeah, sorry about that. We're not sorry. I didn't do it, but— We got off to a really—we're getting off to kind of a rough start. You're one-month-old, and you've already been possibly misgendered on this program.

01:11:42 - 01:11:50 | Speaker 1:

But also, let's give Amy her due as well. Happy Blur's Day, Amy, from Dakota, and from your pals, Luke and Andrew. I added that part, Luke.

01:11:50 - 01:12:01 | Speaker 2:

Nancy in Florida says, I'd like to wish Julia in D.C. a very happy Blur's Day. I hope your birthday is amazing and that the year ahead brings you happiness and joy.

01:12:01 - 01:12:38 | Speaker 1:

Nice. What up, Julia? Rachel says, this year's Blur's Day for my husband, Matt, has been a challenge for me to write. We lost someone in our family recently, and I'm taking it pretty hard. When I say Matt has been a constant presence of strength, love, and kindness, I would be understating it. Words simply cannot express the gratitude and love I feel for him. It's a miracle to experience such loss and love at the same time. I love you, says Rachel. We will make this a happy birthday if it's the last thing I do. Really, really sorry to hear about that, both of you guys. Happy Blur's Day, Matt, and hope you guys hang in there.

01:12:38 - 01:13:19 | Speaker 2:

holly says happy seventh blursday to my son keller he has been listening to tvtl i was going to try to play it that's what you get keller the half of an off that's your you know what when you turn seven you're a grown-up now you only get half of an shock and half of an off uh keller has been listening to tvtl since the day he was born and i'm happy to report he loves the show and has requested this blursday shout out wow you are my heart and i'm so proud of the person you are thanks for being such a great big brother we love you love mom dad and rainy nice happy blursday

01:13:19 - 01:14:06 | Speaker 1:

keller happy blursday keller thanks for listening i mean thanks for listening of your own accord i mean that's really special and finally stephanie says happy golden blursday to my chubby bunny My TBTL baby And my longest running co-bro Thank you for being such a great cat daddy And for always making sure my coffee is ready in the morning I love you very very much And I'm excited to celebrate with you Signed Uber Fox Now I don't know if Stephanie purposely left Her Chubby Bunny's name out of that Or not But I like it I like to let the mystery be there Maybe Actually Maybe Chubby Bunny is the name of the recipient here I'm not sure Anyway, happy Blur's Day to Chubby Bunny and everybody involved

01:14:06 - 01:14:27 | Speaker 2:

I guess that's going to do it for today's show Now I do want to talk tomorrow, Andrew, about my emerging New York Yankees fandom Words I never thought I would say And also this letter that this concerned dad wrote about his son's baseball Because it's exactly what my experience was as a kid playing baseball So maybe we can get into that tomorrow

01:14:27 - 01:14:36 | Speaker 1:

Color me intrigued Good We don't have any show titles for today, unfortunately. What's that? I don't have any show titles for today. I'll figure something out.

01:14:37 - 01:14:41 | Speaker 2:

Oh, you said, um, uh, uh, vac, vacrodisiac?

01:14:41 - 01:14:46 | Speaker 1:

Oh, oh, that's actually better. I said aphrodisiac, but, um.

01:14:46 - 01:14:47 | Speaker 2:

No, I think aphrodisiac is better.

01:14:47 - 01:14:54 | Speaker 1:

Okay, you're right, you're right. Thank you for the reminder of that. Yes, good. And throw a picture of bingo up, it's fine. You might as well. Maybe I'll just use that same one.

01:14:54 - 01:14:59 | Speaker 2:

You get no judgment from me, but you have to go look at my Twitter banner so you can see what my feet look like when I'm going number two. Nope.

01:15:00 - 01:15:18 | Speaker 1:

And good on that. Thank you. All right. Thanks, everyone, for listening. We will be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio, a Friday edition of the program. This week really kind of whizzed by. It really did. So we'll see you then. Until then, have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

01:15:30 - 01:16:54 | Speaker 2:

what is she playing at some kind of multiple personality defense not quite it's called a cocktail personality she senses other people's vulnerabilities she reads their personalities and then she performs accordingly his insomnia sweating and extreme meiosis are all symptoms of a kind of genetic neurodegenerative disease called fatal familial insomnia never heard of it it's only recently been described in the literature dr kepler miss jeffrey's pica what is pica it's a rare neurological disorder in which a person eats objects other than food patients suddenly believe that their loved ones have been replaced by duplicates it mainly affects families from a small town in italy there must be something wrong with me there is it's called munchausen by proxy syndrome it's a stockholm syndrome it's called noonan syndrome it's the peter pan syndrome to the extreme any pathologies with jeff other than extreme internet addiction no he's just a jerk power out Let's go.

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