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All right, let's spin those wheels and play with some clay. Now, there's one and only one rule in this class. I will tolerate no reenacting, whether it's ironic or sincere, of the Patrick Swayze Demi Moore pottery scene in Ghost. Ever since that movie was released in 1990, I have seen every conceivable variation of what I call ghosting. This could be guy on girl, girl on guy. the hilarious guy on guy. So since it never stopped, I had to adopt a zero ghost tolerance policy. If you so much as hum three notes from that righteous brother song, with God as my witness, I will come at you with everything I've got. Okay? Let's have a great time.

TBTL. I consider myself to be an absolutely dead center, normal, average American.

I think I'm looking forward to cracking up. I hope I can, like, you know, totally crack up. So I haven't, like, totally cracked up in a long time.

Mom, it's not real. It's a jib jab. If we wanted to, we could have our own business.

No, I agree. If we really wanted to, we could. It's just that, do we want to do that? Do we want to have a website and a blog and be like, this is what we did today? No, it's too much work. Yeah, and too expensive.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

You know, this show is like a dynasty. You hold it, and then you hand it off to the next person.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live?

Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where it's a sort of a gray day, although the rain doesn't seem to be falling as torrentially as it has been recently. Now, the cliffhanger from yesterday's show was what was going to happen to me after we finished recording when I headed off to a town called Oregon City here near Portland to work on a TV story about cannabis cooking. I call cakes big old cookies. Basically, folks who are making really elevated food and also integrating cannabis oil and cannabis butter, known as canna butter, things like that. And if in the process of filming this piece, if I was going to find myself, as they say, tripping balls. Dead ass you high, huh? And I've got a report on that. You may still hear some residual fogginess in my brain that we will talk about more. coming up here on episode 3,806 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Also, we've got another sports scandal.

Do you realize what this means? It means scandal and prison.

In a niche. You know what I did there? When I grew up, I think I heard that you would say the word as niche. Like, what's your niche? Find your niche. And then when I became older And I lived as a man And I spake as a man I heard people say niche And in that moment when I was deciding Which version I was going to use For this show I locked up and I just said Nietzsche I think I might have said Nietzsche I might have been talking about the philosopher Anyway, it's a niche sport Where there is a cheating scandal And we are going to talk about it That sport is

It's corn

Cornhole. We'll tell you about the cornhole cheating scandal and why people are driving their cars over their cornhole bags. And that's not a sex thing, so get your minds out of the gutter. This guy's mind is always firmly, I would say, above the gutter. He is the longest-running cobro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, and their power. He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I run a risk here at the beginning of the show of boring people with more candy talk a full two days after Halloween. I realize that that conversation has sort of peaked, but if you'll allow it, I've been seeing a lot of people's photos on Instagram and Instagram stories. I don't know if I have to differentiate that of their kids' Halloween hauls, right? Like piles of candy. One person, I don't know if this, I can't remember who it was, if it's a longtime friend of mine or a listener or who it was, but somebody posted a photo of them having sorted all of their kids' candy. First of all, their kids got tons of candy.

And this person brought out all these little like little plastic bowls and like those Gladware things, food storage containers, and organized all of the candy by type, like a whole bin for M&Ms, a whole bin for gummy worms, what have you, like packages of these things. But here's what I noticed. I was staring at that. I was mesmerized by that particular photo. And I realized I didn't see there was a lot of candy in this photo. I didn't see one GD bag of Reese's pieces. When is the last time you've seen a bag of Reese's Pieces in the store, on the shelf, in a child's hand that you wanted to take away from that child? I don't think they're discontinued.

On the ground, in a line, tricking an alien into phoning home. I know. Since 1982, have we seen these things? And by the way, just based on the popularity of E.T. Right. I think that was before the days of product placement. Like, I think that was probably just earned media for the Reese's Pieces company. Like, they just did that. That alone should have made them the dominant candy on the planet for a while.

Now, there is always that. I'm looking up on Snopes to see if this is true. But there was always that urban legend that really that was supposed to be M&M's. But then they, yep, it's true. M&M's passed up the chance to be the candy used. Yet, here we are. There's M&M's all over our modern world. But I really do think that Reese's pieces are underappreciated.

They're waning, whereas M&M's are waxing. And I mean that in the sexual way. Get your minds back in the gutter. The anthropomorphization of the M&M's and the one that's got the real long legs. Did they get rid of the one in heels?

No, they kept her, but they gave her tennis shoes. And then Tucker Carlson was very upset by that.

Like, I mean, there is a lot going on with those M&M's characters. Now, back to the E.T. thing really quickly. we might yeah we might when the so snope says that eminem's passed up the opportunity was the opportunity did the opportunity come with a hefty cost in other words was i wrong i was assuming that it wasn't a pay-to-play kind of a deal but maybe it was it was like the studio or steven spielberg's folks or whomever was like hey we want to put your candy in our movie but it's going to

cost you this isn't going to be super illuminating i'm reading a somewhat not lengthy but an actual article about this on snopes as we talk so i'm taking in this information and offering it to you at the same time excuse any mistakes but um amblin productions of course who produced et uh approached mars about a possible tie-in between m&ms and the film now it says for whatever reason mars said no to the proposition many purported reasons for that negative response have been provided by a variety of sources such as mars decided it didn't want its candy associated with extraterrestrial living with an earth family or it felt that the film's premise just a bit too otherworldly this isn't getting us any closer to it this well it kind of is because what they're not

mentioning is that mars just didn't want to pay the money to be in the movie but also you know um i have uh i've mentioned this like last week as well but i did that tv story a while ago about um fun size candy which is made by the mars corporation and in the research for that i i looked into the mars fam i mean mars is a massive global conglomerate now that does everything but it was definitely founded by i think some fairly conservative folks in i'm gonna say minnesota was maybe where the beginnings of it were and then they branched out and And it's also, I believe, still privately held to this day by the family. So it's possible that, you know, back in 1980 or 80, whatever it was, you still had, like, the founder of the Mars Corporation, like, sitting J. Paul Getty-style in his mansion of chocolate going, like, real Mr. Smithers-style, or sorry, Mr. Burns-style, just being like, extraterrestrials? I haven't heard of them on the radiola.

and just saying no

and just saying no because honestly of just some kind of I don't know moral thing or just not getting it so I mean yeah we have not answered the question but we also don't I don't see anything definitive that says it was just

a financial decision in fact I got this a little closer here later on in the article it says Hershey now Hershey of course is the Reese's Pieces company at least at that time Hershey did not pay to have Reese's Pieces used in E.T. but it did agree to do a tie in between the movie and the candy after the film was released a deal was inked wherein hershey's foods i'm sorry hershey foods agreed to promote et with one million dollar of advertising one million dollars that's in hershey's uh couch cushions now in return hershey could use ironically its own i have a lot of hershey's in my couch cushions it's perfect it all works out yeah i mean but think about it was a one million dollar advertising and then hershey can use et in its own ads like oh my god that's worth

its weight in gold that is amazing Think about what companies are paying now to get the IP of things they think will help move their product, etc., whether it's reanimating some celebrity or cartoon character or what have you. The idea that they got E.T. for a million bucks and all the free advertising. Okay, so this then brings us right back to where this started, which is wither the Reesey PC. What the hell happened?

Yeah, I haven't seen one of those in years.

I don't feel like we're not talking about. I mean, this show, this show right now you're doing with me, I don't mean this episode, but TBTL, we have talked more about Violet Crumble in the last two weeks

than we've seen these pieces.

Violet Crumble, they turned down a chance to tie in with Chud.

I think it was Mac and Me, wasn't it?

I couldn't think of Mac and Me, and I went with Chud.

What is Chud? I don't even know what that is.

There was another, I think, bad. It was a science fiction horror film that I feel like had some kind of, I don't even think it was an alien. I think it was like a, it was a cannibalistic humanoid underground dweller.

That's what, you know, I got to, I got to admit something here. Veeves and I had a similar conversation a couple of weeks ago on after these messages. And I think Mac and me popped into my head there quickly. i think that was at the ready because genevieve might have made that joke or a very similar joke while talking about et and candy like a month ago or something and so if there's anybody who listens to after these messages who just heard that and is like andrew's not just recycling material now but he's stealing his girlfriend's jokes and bringing him to tbtl that is mortifying to me so i just wanted to get that in the clear that i may have just i may have just stolen a joke

and i feel a responsibility to report that becca was joking about chud the other day i don't think anyone heard us we were just out walking but that's also that's my girlfriend's as well so i yeah i need to i need to really be transparent about my name is chud i don't think i ever even knew that it stood for cannibalistic underground that is rough dwelling whatever like I was I just that has lived in my mind as like a weird alien movie that I probably like saw the the VHS tape for at Cregan's pharmacy in the movie rental section or something it's got John Hurd in it actually he's a legitimate actor so yeah no kidding oh wait no I think of John Hurd anyway how did it go yesterday well Andrew it was interesting um we went out to uh Oregon City which is so cool by the way i had no idea i had seen maybe the name on the map or the exit if i was going on that freeway but it's um this uh it's this kind of a suburb i guess you could say of portland but it's got this amazing right when you cross this thing called the oregon city bridge um which is cool you're going over the willamette river and then there is this oregon city municipal elevator so it's just this extremely 1950s kind of or maybe 60s it's sort of late art deco early googie observation tower that you can go up i didn't get to do this because i was working but like it's just like a flying saucer that's hovering above this city um this town that has the coolest sign for it too it's written in this very like if you google oregon city observation elevator or whatever it's called you'll see a picture what i'm talking about it's just like i'd never heard anyone mention this before and i was like this has just been here the whole time wow cool so i then drive through town it's lovely and then i get out to where the person that we're interviewing lives and um they live on a houseboat and so you go down this like so you're in this amazing house boat that's on the willamette river it was all just very like kind of interesting to me because i didn't realize that all of this other stuff was going to be interesting or going to be happening in addition to me eating a bunch of edibles or whatever. So we're interviewing this woman named Lori Wolf, who's written a bunch of, she is a trained chef, went to the Culinary Institute of America, and has kind of made her name in, she has a line of edibles and makes all kinds of different, you know, cookies and treats that have cannabis in them, but then also has released a number of cookbooks, which is, you know, how to kind of integrate cannabis into regular food you might be cooking. and so we the plan was we sit down and we do this kind of sit down interview we're chatting and then she and i make some can of butter together and then she starts to put together this lavish meal that she's going to serve to her friends that are coming over uh that night and so i you know i was

as i mentioned on the show recently the folks at cbs were very they had their knickers in a bit of a twist over how high i was going to get on camera or if it was going to happen or how much i was going to consume so i you know the the first and only time that i actually consumed anything that had cannabis in it

was when we made a butterboard. Are you familiar with the phenomenon of the butterboard?

No. Is it like a charcuterie-style thing where it's not charcuterie?

Yes. It is all the rage right now on Instagram and other places. And literally what it is is a cutting board slathered in butter with, you know, capers and onions and who knows what, all kinds of other, like, olives, whatever you want to put on there. And then you just get some really good bread and then you just go ham. It's just bread and butter, but elevated. And it's very funny to me that it's having a moment because it is a delicious. Becca actually made one, I don't know, a week or two ago. And it was so good. But it was good because you're eating bread and butter. What's not good about bread and butter?

Yeah, you know, I'm looking at this. I'm not trying to be difficult here. It doesn't, you know, I'm just hearing about this for the very first time. I'm obviously not a foodie. um so you know just take it for what it's worth but I'm looking at these photos and honestly it doesn't seem to present well like even foods even if I kind of roll my eyes about somebody making a huge deal about like uh you know a restaurant that's not as fancy as it thinks it is or something like that um like there I do believe in the presentation of food and I appreciate the way it looks and like this look it sounds like yeah depending on how you set this up it could be delicious but it it almost looks like I'm looking at all these photos and almost looks like something you'd see in an old 70s style cookbook like it doesn't look good you'd think that like um well

i'm i've done the same google we learned yesterday that i'm better at googling than you but i've done the same search that you have and i'm i'm actually also a little underwhelmed with the with the photos that are coming back the images i'm going to send you an image of the one that i actually had yeah can we use it i don't uh yeah absolutely okay no i mean don't they'll never find out i Do they know you have a podcast? They don't know I work there. Other than CBS Legal, which is giving me a strong no-snacking policy. So we make this butter board, and basically the process is Lori has made this can of butter, which is she takes a bunch of activated cannabis. So it's been put through some process so that the THC is sort of activated in it. And now it's ready to go. And you basically like you boil two sticks of butter in water and then you throw this cannabis in it. It all kind of blends together. You let that simmer for a few hours and then you strain it all out. So then you end up eventually with this like green hockey puck of butter that's got a bunch of cannabis infused into it. So then you take that, you take a very specific amount of that and then you mix it in with a thing of regular butter. So this butter board that we made is like 90% regular butter, 10% can of butter. And it's looking very unimposing to me, and I'm seeing how diluted it is. And also, again, I'm a person who certainly knows my way around drinking alcohol and can consume sort of heroic amounts of alcohol sometimes and seem relatively fine. Emotionally, am I fine? Hmm, TBD. But I think of myself as being pretty sturdy in these situations. And so, anyway, I'm thinking this is just the beginning of my whole sort of foray into eating cannabis food yesterday. Like, we're going to start with the butter board, and then when the friends come over for dinner, we're going to sit around and have this delicious meal with mashed potatoes and turkey and stuffing and all this stuff, and I'm just going to be going for it. So we have footage of it. They have me eat a piece of bread with, like, a minimal amount of the butter spread on it, Andrew. it was mostly like the other stuff the capers and the onions and everything whatever and I eat it and I think I have the classic thought which is boy that didn't work like there's nothing in this huh okay well this is fine and then and then this is the thing with me though I tend to be like if this were I don't know how this would be the case at this shoot but if this were an open bar and I were having a drink and my drink was empty my tendency would be to go get another drink like I don't usually like have a glass of wine and then wait three hours and have another glass of wine I get into a mode where it's just kind of like I'm enjoying this thing so I'll continue enjoying it so I really enjoyed the taste of the butterboard and the bread and all the stuff and I was hungry so like I really wanted to eat more of it but some little voice

in the back of my head said why don't you wait on this like I know you're hungry I know this tastes good but let's not like slather up another piece then there was also these crackers she had made these delicious looking like cheesy crackers that were infused and there were just bowls of those sitting around and every time i walked by the bowl my instinct was to grab a cheesy cracker and pop it in my mouth and i was like maybe don't do that luke like for the one and only time in my life i sort of i exercised a small amount of discretion even I don't know.

No, nothing was happening to me for like two hours until it did, Andrew, until it did, until I realized they have at their house this one of these like it's a chair that's like a big plastic bubble that hangs down by a chain and has like a pillow inside. Have you ever seen one of these things?

I feel like I can picture it. It sounds cool.

Real space age kind of, you know, 1970s space age furniture. And it was acoustically amazing because you're in almost a complete plastic bubble. there's an opening that you can kind of get in to sit down but i found myself sitting in this bubble listening to the echo of my voice in this bubble as anthony the producer is waving at me frantically from the other room being like we need you to come back in here and shoot some more stuff and i was just like it's happening then all these people start showing up for the dinner party and i happen to know a couple of these people just because portland is a small town and so we're trying to catch up and the whole time i'm just like it's getting on top of me i'm getting the fear am i by the way this was also i what i had was completely it was very heavy towards the indica it was very heavy towards the relaxation side of thc versus the sativa which is the kind of upbeat side that's interesting for a party yeah i think you know what she said it was a combo so i may be overstating that um and then she really does have like a whole theory about this and where everyone's starting where everyone's ending and what's in what but so i start to like i just start to feel like i'm kind of i'm staring off into the distance i'm not being very i i'll catch myself talking and realize i've been talking for like 45 seconds and i don't even know what i've been saying like to somebody like i start to get really worried that i'm just kind of you know looking a little foolish or that I'm too high or whatever from this one piece of bread with butter on it so then it's time for the dinner and I'm like I don't I don't want to sit at the table with everyone this is what's going on in my brain at this point for two reasons one because actually from an editorial standpoint we just need what's called b-roll we need footage of this woman serving her friends this lavish meal much of which contains cannabis we don't really need me sitting they're interviewing people that's not what this will do in the story so there was a practical reason which was the editor's gonna have a hard time cutting around me if i'm sitting in the middle of the table with everybody but also i didn't want to sit there and have conversations

i was like i can't do that right now can i interrupt for a second i just have some i want to slow this story down a little bit um and just because i have some questions um let's go back quickly to like our conversations we had going into this uh dinner that you're going to do You had some anxiety, obviously, over the effects of marijuana on your body because you weren't super experienced with it, but you're not completely inexperienced with it. Did you I feel like we talked about this on the show and I already forgot. Did you eat some like edibles or anything this week kind of gearing up for this? No, you didn't.

I didn't. No, I did not. I didn't do any trial runs. I just didn't for whatever reason. So I did some trial runs with alcohol just to be extra safe.

so it had been i guess that's a better question so it had been quite some time since you've

had this feeling i would say probably i think i bought some edibles like some gummies at a place near my house in portland i don't know six months ago and i had a couple of them so i'd say in the last it's been probably around six months since i had anything and those i asked the folks there the bud tenders like could you like what's the most what's the what is the like you know kindergarten level of this stuff that i could please do like and this is what they gave me so i think they're pretty mild or whatever but um so yeah so it's been about six months and when you

took those earlier and i'm sorry i i do think this is relevant to the story i'm sorry if i'm slowing it down too much but i'm legit curious so when you had those um were you around other people or was it more of a kind of a solo just like you or just you and becca or something just

like watching tv experience it was solo i was in oceanside california doing that story about um a guy who lives on a cruise ship um and i i have i happened to get this really cool hotel that had this like beautiful view of the pacific ocean and had a balcony and i had these gummies with me um like in my pack you know in my whatever and i had like two maybe one i think i had like one and one or something one and a half and i sat out on the balcony and i just looked at the ocean and i remember feeling a certain sense of calm but i do also remember feeling just a little disconnected from my body or myself or something like it wasn't it i wasn't stressed because i was by myself and i was in a safe environment but i also it wasn't like the relaxation that i personally get when i get on like glass number two of wine where like for whatever reason chemically the way that interacts with my body.

my serotonin receptors or whatever the hell's going on. I didn't quite feel that. But anyway, the point is the context was I did have some, but I was alone.

Yeah. Yeah. And also, yeah, I mean, just disavow your your notion that marijuana is supposed to feel like alcohol. It just doesn't. It doesn't have to do with your body.

It's just that I just want I want I want alcohol that isn't poison.

It's a different drug. It's not the same. But we got exactly what I needed out of that, which is you mentioned you bought these gummies in oregon but you took them in uh california which means i have you on the record crossing state lines with marijuana products so case closed that's i rest my no that was the least illegal thing in my area no um i'm sorry now i'm really slowing things down but no i mean i think that's a huge difference first of all like you say there's a big difference in in in your body chemistry on the day that you eat an edible from the same package that you had the day before it can hit you differently how much you had to eat that day all how tired you are various factors what kind of of cannabis you're eating matters you know there's a million different strains like you say and they they do different things and it's cool that this this woman you were interviewing yesterday you know like has all of that dialed in as somebody who's in this industry would um but i do think that being around people is a very different experience too now my guess is you were probably higher yesterday than you were with the store-bought gummies but also like if you were sitting on that bench or wherever you were in ocean city i know i messed up a lot of details there don't worry about it let's not slow it down further but like on a park bench in mississippi i had a box of chocolates right exactly but then like if a a a 10 and her partner came up to you And wanted to talk to you for a half hour When you were on that bench by yourself Like that mood might have changed very differently You would be potentially, not necessarily But potentially you would have felt very self-conscious suddenly And then suddenly you would realize Oh, just being around people has a performative nature to it, right? And so here you are, especially when you're doing a story

Yeah, there's literally a camera crew there It's lit, there are all these lights everywhere It's like an extremely unnatural thing anyway Which puts a certain social pressure on me

Exactly. I mean, this sounds like kind of a nightmare to me. Like, honestly, as somebody who is like who has way more experience in this world than you, like we were saying on the show the other day, like I I wouldn't people have sometimes said, hey, you should do an episode of TBTL high or whatever. And it's like, that just doesn't sound fun to me. Like, that's not I don't know, like the idea of having to perform in any way and kind of also manage this thing. I found myself over the course of my life in situations on either, you know, usually like maybe an edible, but like I remember I won't go into it now, but like, you know, taking some mushrooms with a friend and thought we had the night to ourselves and then ran into some friends who pulled up some chairs and wanted to hang out with us for an hour. And like that was terrible because I just didn't want anybody to know, you know. So anyway, here you are. Now, let's bring it back to you. Here you are. People know. That's why everybody's here. That's why you're here You're feeling these effects really strongly What kind of work did you have to do before all the guests Came over like when you're sitting in this chair You're spacing out

Luckily I didn't have actually Very much to do after the Butterboard At that point Because we'd done the interview we'd done what we call The show and tell kind of like I was mostly there just kind of watching We were just filming a lot So fortunately I wasn't like I wasn't on camera a ton during the dinner Or trying to like interview people at the table Or do anything And in fact I feel like I could have done that okay Because when I would like 100% focus It was I think passable right It was when I would like sort of Lose focus for a minute and realize I'd just been Kind of staring off in the middle distance Or kind of going inward a little bit

Or you thought you did and you were actually totally fine But you A second felt like four minutes To you

Very possible see that's the thing and that's the part because I'm not super experienced with it, that I just don't know where the... I don't know how deep the swimming pool is when I'm in it. Like, I know exactly how deep the swimming pool of alcohol is for me, and I know where I can touch bottom and when I can't and how to get over to the side of the pool. This is kind of a newer thing for me. And so luckily I didn't have to do a lot. But eventually, so I sort of... I excused myself from the initial part of the dinner while we were filming. And then when we were done, and they were done filming everyone was like well come on over grab a plate and i was like okay and i'm sitting at the head of the table and there are like 20 things on this table like stuffing and and uh and mashed potatoes and turkey which i didn't get into the turkey or whatever but like and green beans and all this it was a thanksgiving meal basically and i become

deeply worried that i'm going to accidentally consume one of the things that's dosed that's infused because some stuff was infused and some stuff wasn't and i had a menu there was a menu that listed what was infused what wasn't what the milligrams were like it was very official but i would get i got the mashed potatoes i was like okay that's safe and i made myself i'm like richard dreyfuss in close encounters i'm like making a massive pile of mashed potatoes but then i'm about to take a bite but then i'm like wait a minute wait a minute are these the infused ones because i know if i have one more bite of something infused i'd live on this houseboat now

i'm never getting home okay wait i have another question here for you because i understand also you're somebody who even in a situation where you're not talking about like chemicals in your body like it you are somebody who doesn't like to seem inexperienced like i'll be the first person in a situation to be like i don't know what that word means i don't understand the conversation Can you guys explain it to me like I'm a child like that like whatever you like to like you know just play it cool until you can sort of figure out the angles right now in this situation though I feel like especially the person who's running this whole thing like would she must be so responsible and I'm sure she is because people who run businesses like this and they're so careful because they want really good experiences for everybody and also there's liability and all kinds of stuff. So you could have, my point here, probably just said to anybody around you, like, hey, you know, I'm new to this and I'm a little high right now. These potatoes are fine. Right. And everybody would actually probably respect that a lot because you're there working. Right. But I'm guessing that that didn't feel like an option to you in the moment.

You guessed correctly, my friend. And you're absolutely right. All I would have needed to do from the first moments I started to feel something was just to say, hey, I think I think that this that butterboard is kind of hitting me a little bit. And everybody there who all partake would have just kind of like been like, cool, have a fun time or whatever. Like it would not have been like embarrassing to me. But in the moment, it felt like that felt like a stoner thing to do. Like my brain was telling me, if you tell everyone at this thing that you're a little high right now, you're going to seem like a stoner. The irony being we were all there to get stoned.

Right, right, right. Nobody cared.

It wasn't like I wasn't at church telling them I'm a little stoned right now. i was at an event that was organized around the principle of altering your state of mind a bit through cannabis and yet somehow it was just like be cool be cool so then i'm i'm loading up my plate with various things that i'm looking at the menu and it's like these these are this one doesn't say infused so this is fine but then i'd be about to take a bite and then i'd be like let me double check that menu okay not infused okay cool and then i'd be like wait you know what you can't be too careful with these things and i'd reject the menu just like sitting and i'm i'm in total silence somehow the conversation turns to the recent election in brazil and i'm just keep it light don't talk about the election in brazil like i'm sitting there and i'm listening to folks talk about it and i'm having a million thoughts but they're trapped inside my head and i can't express them and then i then i'm thinking don't express them nobody needs to hear your take on bolsonaro right now but then i can't stop myself and then i'm talking about the the importance of lula winning because the amazon is the lungs of the planet and then it's just like i'm like oh my god i'm saying the most infantile things right now i'm saying the most obvious things everyone knows that and like it's good to not cut down the like i'm just saying i'm just saying nonsense to these people who invited this is all just kind of like banging around in my brain as i'm sitting there having

dinner i would love to know how this i'd love to i would i would actually love to see this part of the conversation i the cbs i assume was not taping this part no they had they had they were done

filming at this point but i you know what actually i would be interested too because it would be an interesting experiment for me or whatever for me to see what it really looked like versus what it felt like in my brain because what it felt like in my brain was i'm really slow on the uptake right now i will have a thought that i want to interject but then i won't be able to get it from the back my brain to the tip of my tongue in time now if i do do it did i just barge did i just elbow my way into the conversation did i just talk over someone am i just saying nonsense right now or am i saying am i am i presenting really obvious information as if it's profound because i think it's profound like that's all going on in my brain the whole time yeah and you know yeah i'd love to

see it because i bet you you were i'll bet you i don't know man i know you i know you really well We talk so often that I can tell when something's a little bit off with you. Just generally speaking, I assume you can do the same with me. I'm also like this isn't a brag, but I realize that like one of my superpowers, which is super lame, is like I feel like I'm very sensitive to like vibes and tones and people's moods and stuff like that. So I would love to see it because. I would love to see it and not even know that you were high because I wonder if I'd even pick up on that. You're the ultimate.

I mean, you really are probably at this point you and either anyone I've been married to or am currently dating. Right. And you, that would be the list. The list would be about five people long.

We should have a newlywed game between me and Becca. How weird would that be? Anyway, I'll bet you you were fine. Maybe there might have been a characteristic or two That might have been turned up a tiny bit But these folks don't know you I'll bet you this whole thing felt like Just a complete adventure in your brain That was probably a pretty just normal night For everybody around you, I'm guessing What did Anthony say? Like, did you ever say to Anthony? Well, that's what I was going to get to next Okay, sorry

So he had one of the crackers And the thing was, he was initially going to have a pecan There was like pecans that were, you know, infused And he was like, okay, I'm going to have one of these And Lori said, just so you know, those ones are kind of next level Those are for the people that need By the way, when I was interviewing her She was saying how she knew a person who worked at a dispensary Who was just immune to the effects of like THC at some point I guess maybe just because of having used it a lot She said that this person, there was like no edible that could really phase this person So she made this woman a 1,000 milligram lasagna

oh god like so a thousand is in the whole lasagna in the whole tray yeah the lasagna has a thousand

milligrams in it and i was like uh what happened she was like well she got high yeah i was like

a thousand milligrams now she did not probably eat a thousand milligrams she ate a piece of a lasagna right so if that was 10 slices so but whatever it's still a lot and you could eat yeah

For my little, you know, pure as the driven snow brain, I was like, oh, because I probably had like five milligrams or something. But anyway, so she was like, the pecans are pretty, those are pretty, you know, advanced. But these crackers are like nothing. And so Anthony had one of those.

Anthony, this is not part of your job at all, buddy. You just wanted to get high.

Well, I mean, I don't blame him. No, I don't blame him either. I felt bad for our crew. I was like, hey, are we all, are we all doing? I got a gift bag. I didn't even look, and I gave it to our sound guy, John, because he didn't get one. But I'm sure it was just full of drugs.

Yeah.

I was like, oh, thank you. Here you go, John. But anyway, so to kind of jump to the end of the story or whatever, like, you know, we wrap everything. We pack the gear up. We get it out of there. I almost get hit by a train. I'm not kidding you. where this little row of houseboats is on the Willamette. I guess they were the first houseboats in Oregon. And they're basically on the other side of some train tracks. And I believe the property technically belongs to the railroad. And so they have some kind of these, like, they're really cool. These floating homes are just beautiful and on such a beautiful stretch of river. But the thing is, you go across these train tracks. There's a parking area, and then you cross these train tracks, and you go down a ramp. you're at the floating homes there is an amtrak cascade line that is like i don't know maybe five cars long it is silent as a whisper andrew like it is nothing like the big freight trains that you hear or the wheels are grinding or there's noise it is to me about as loud as a tesla and there are no gates that go down you just have to make sure that the train's not coming when you cross these tracks that's kind of the deal so i am like still feeling the probably some of the effects of a certain amount of highness and i'm helping wheel the gear out to the um our camera guy's truck and i remember having had a conversation in the house about like those trains are really quiet so be careful so i'm wheeling this cart up and i just think yeah you know what why not double check i'm probably two steps from the train tracks right maybe three and i look to my left and the train is 15 feet from me and it goes goes by me and it's like it's like you know my hair is blowing back and i'm like holding this cart and i'm like oh my goodness if i would have just not looked to my left if i would have been five seconds earlier it is a not improbable thing that i could have come in contact with that train like i've never understood how anyone can get hit by a train accidentally like it just seems like you know they're coming they're very far away that was i'll tell you that sobered me up pretty quick but anyway all i was going to say about the rest of the night was i get home anthony gets home and then he just starts sending me links about how much differently our body processes edible cannabis versus...

smoking cannabis and how much more powerful edible cannabis is and then he just tells me this cracker's a lot like this was not this cracker was not uh you know the junior varsity level that i was led to believe it was and then he goes i got really worried he goes i got really really paranoid and thought i needed to call the people at cbs legal to tell them about like the shoot i ate a cracker and i was like don't i texted him last i was like don't do anything until tomorrow morning yeah just wait till tomorrow morning to see how everything looks and feels so my point is i think i think all of it was a little stronger than we were expecting and and i think it's because mostly you know between laurie and all of her friends there are people that really know their way around this stuff and they you know they they indulge in it often and stuff and i'm just such a a noob but again i guess for me really the story is i i'm so relieved that for one time in my life i just i left well enough alone i was just like you know what that was enough for me because again if i ever start to get on any kind of mind-altering experience we quoted this the other day it's the hunter s thompson quote like there's a tendency to push it as far as you can my usual thing is yeah i'll have another one another shot another glass another whatever like i'll do another one another another 50 bucks in the slot machine whatever it is that's kind of giving me that momentary feeling of something i'm always like yeah a little more of that is great this is the one time i was like i think i'm good and boy am i glad that i stopped when i did because if i would have been grazing and just like having a having a cookie and then like yeah i'll have some of that infused gravy on my mashed potatoes etc

i think i would have had a bad time i feel like this is a tough story to write not that it's my job to worry about these things oh actually i was meaning to ask you could you write this because it's sort of very busy couple of weeks coming up again and i'm not trying to dunk here but like cbs sunday morning the the the viewership there is kind of an kind of an older um audience as a lot of cbs sort of carved out that niche um i i can say it luke i have no problem saying niche uh no um and so you're sort of introducing the concept of people but like i guess what i'm stuck on here is like i know you like you don't want to be like all cutesy with winks and nods of of like and then we got super high or puns about getting high or or 420 or what have you but also you you want to it's not just a cooking story otherwise it would just be like this this woman cooks amazing food and it's delicious like how maybe this is what i'm getting at here like how much are you putting if at all your experience as as mr commentator who has not had a lot of experience with weed coming into this coming into this are you putting yourself in the story much

in that way that's a really good question um a lot of times i do that in these pieces if it's kind of experiential or whatever you want to call it we didn't really do now we're gonna by the way we're filming at another thing in new york next week so i guess i'll have another chance at this But like what we didn't get last night was me documenting kind of like my my journey personally. Like I'm not doing one of those confession cams where I'm like, OK, this is what it feels like right now. So we don't have a lot of footage of me having kind of, you know, feeling the effects of it. So I guess my guess would be this is also going to be a short story. It's going in our food episode. I would think that this will be a little more straightforward, i.e. hey there's uh there are people that are looking to really elevate like basically the pitch for the story is cannabis cooking has come a long way since the pot brownie like there are people that are making really good really elevated food that integrates very carefully a certain amount of cannabis or thc um and this is kind of how they do it and this is what the technique is and so i think it'll be more that than cbs correspondent trips balls i think that if i were to do a dinner

party like this i'm thinking again about your experience of it's you said it took about i i was guessing about an hour for you to feel the effects you said about two hours in well time was standing oh that's true too yeah time slowed down i don't know i'm guessing it was maybe maybe closer to an hour or something that's probably kind of standard um like i'm talking like i'm a doctor who knows but just from some i tried it once um i uh but you know i think about these parties and again i'm still as somebody who enjoys indulging i'm still kind of like but i'm also antisocial let's face it but like part of me is like is that is that fun to kind of slowly get high with a bunch of people i feel like you'd have to build in an after dinner activity like and then you know we're on a houseboat and then we we i don't know all walk outside and we all night swimming um i feel you know like if you could take a walk and look at the stars i feel like you'd want something planned for afterwards otherwise you're all just kind of sitting around there. you know with different degrees of intoxication that could be you know some people might be a little bit more uh feeling a little bit more uptight like anthony and you and other people might just want to like kind of like really vibe but if you can sort of channel that into like okay and then after dinner we're going to do x is something that um kind of complements the experience you mix those nice is anything not a drug why that's my next my next story for cbs

Luke Luke does MDMA don't do that I've never tried that he loves them I actually I've never

tried that and I don't know if you have and I'm not asking you if you have but I feel like that I'd worry more about that I can see that being something that you're just like oh my god I loved the world for 12 hours straight put it put it in my veins yeah I know there are things like that

that I'm just like I don't need personally because of how much I already tend to uh you know I guess alter my mood again primarily with alcohol but like i don't need to add anything to the list yeah things of crutches that i might be picking up at a time but um yeah so anyway i don't know if that was a very interesting kind of description of what happened yesterday but i guess to just kind of uh try to land this whole thing i did in fact get pretty high and kind of unintentionally i guess that's the takeaway for me like sometimes like i said if it were a story about bourbon right and they were like okay we're gonna set you up and then oh we need to get that and you're gonna do a shot of bourbon with some kentucky bourbon maker and now we need to get the cutaway shot and now we need to get the room tone and we have it's like one of those things where we're doing lots of it i would have just been like i would have been going you know toe to toe with whomever and i would have been like yeah another one and oh we're gonna have a dinner after we're gonna have a bourbon dinner afterwards keep it like that's my approach to most of this stuff unfortunately and this was the one time where i was just like i'm gonna really try to err on the sight of caution and i am so relieved that i did because it could have been it was just kind of fun and weird it could have been not fun and weird for me if i would have literally one more thing

with weed in it well i'll set you up for another moment of reflection here um the tm ira glass uh this is a legit question do you think this experience and you said you have to do another one for work anyway but putting that aside has it changed do you think your relationship with possibly having another edible down the line uh are you more interested in it less interested almost exactly the same as you did going in you know that's a really good question andrew you're asking some really good questions today my friend they call me the ira glass of radio and podcasting

tm i so the here's here's exactly what happened to me regarding that yesterday the whole day when we were talking about it i was becoming very encouraged and i was almost thinking maybe weed is my new booze like because laurie was talking about the way that it's helped her with um you know various sort of mental and emotional health things and a lot of people that she knows uh she's talking about i think i can share this because she says it to us on camera but she has a form of epilepsy and she takes it medically and it has completely stopped her epileptic episodes and also just how it's kind of you know if she's feeling depressed and she has some it really improves it was just like and you know people rubbing the cocoa butter version on their joints if they have rheumatoid arthritis and that providing a lot of pain relief for folks so it was like it was like four hours of talking about it and me just being like this is my new thing i am now a weed person and being like really excited like let's get at it let's get this dinner going man and then when i was sitting in the bubble chair listening to my voice bounce off the sides I am thinking you're way too high right now dude I think I went back to I don't know if it's really the thing for me and you said something obvious but profound earlier today which was it's not the same thing it's it's not going to do the same thing that a glass of wine does for me because they're different chemicals so I think my thing has been hoping I could find the version of it that I could I could sort of use instead of alcohol at times but i just i think that's probably not a realistic thing and where i ended up with it after all of it was the same thing mildly intrigued but highly

highly concerned about doing too much of it also and just one more note on this it does come in many different shapes and forms you know and so if you did not not that i'm pushing this because you know like not everybody needs to be into marijuana but like um you're not exactly sure what was in that butter specifically and you know if you were to go because i you know i had a medical marijuana card when i was in la and it's a little bit different it was a little bit different than than it is here in washington where everything is recreational you know right i assume i don't know if they have dedicated medical places here anymore i don't know if you have a need for it but But, like, yeah.

You could really go in and talk to the people who work there who weren't like, you know, they weren't doctors prescribing marijuana to you. They were it was L.A.

They were young, people who had recently consumed a thousand milligram lasagna.

But you could go in and say, like, hey, listen, I'm dealing with a lot of anxiety right now. And if they if you're dealing with a lot of anxiety, they're not going to give you something that's going to be super racy. That's going to get your mind feeling all paranoid. They're going to give you something that is maybe more calming, you know, and I don't know a lot about that. I'm not the person who could tell you what to take when specifically. But if you find a provider that you like and that you can trust that takes it seriously and it's not like the one place I went one time where I asked the kid behind the counter here in Washington State, like, hey, I'm looking for this. And he just kept pushing one brand on me but not really explaining why. And I said, well, what about that one over there? And he's like, oh, balling on a budget? And I was like, no, doctor. I'm not balling on a budget. I just want to know what my options are. Anyway, if you find the right place for you, like you can have conversations and you can find people who can who can actually push you towards. And like I said, there's different products as well. And then what is in those products can affect you again. But also, it's not for everybody. I don't think that everybody I don't think it's a solution for for everything.

Sure. Absolutely. And, you know, I mean, I really my thought about this whole thing is, yeah, we are going to film in New York. And I'm guessing there's probably going to be a point where I have to taste test some of the food. and then it's like god am i gonna be wandering around manhattan in this condition like because that seems like a lot for me like i could barely handle oregon city like he just imagined me like just looking like mr burns in that episode of the simpsons where it's like an x-files parody and he's like in the woods because he's getting some kind of injections yeah that's just me glowing floating through times square like well you need you need like

you need a buddy there to like whose job it is just to like whether whether or not they are somebody who partakes with you or not but it's like somebody who can be your calming presence

i wonder if cbs will hire somebody for that for me i need a i need a minder or something why are we paying mike peska five hundred dollars why is robert smith on the cbs payroll former host of planet money cum columbia journalism professor all right uh there you go that's the story on that most of the show is over, but yet there's still so much. It was like my trip last night. Most of it was over, and yet there was still so

much ahead of me, Andrew. Yeah, am I high? Because that felt like an hour-long conversation. Oh, no, it

was. Wait, the real effects of this show aren't even going to set in, Andrew, for another hour. You'll just be laughing uproariously for no discernible reason. Oh, did you

get giggly at all? I know we're trying to wrap up, but

was that... Well, that's the thing. Because I know that to be a condition or a part of you know the process i kept kind of waiting to see if i was i think there were two or three times where i probably laughed harder at something than it deserved but i didn't get into that full state um which i was kind of had a like one antenna up for like oh is that going to be part of this yeah so you know again my guess is that if you were to watch the footage of this even you andrew a person who's very very dialed into my vibrations it probably wasn't very apparent What was happening internally for me

Well we got Bottom line We got to find the drug That does make you more giggly Because I could use you Laughing at my jokes A little bit more During TVTL All right

Quick break And then back With more of this Giggle fest In a moment Hey let's thank Some of our daily donors Who are making tbtl possible with their financial support which we are extremely grateful for we're grateful for folks like megan garrett in philadelphia pennsylvania you know what's funny is uh one of the people who was at the dinner last night uh is from philly and is not my mom's age but uh i think you know a little closer to my mom's age like than i am and she was so much like my mom the vibe was so there is a person who grew up in philadelphia pa of a certain era who's just at some point at one point this woman brought up the movie to sir with love starring sydney poitier my mother loves the movie to sir with love it's like one of her top five movies and she cries just talking about it and i'm just walking through the kitchen carrying gear and And I hear this woman from Philly talking about To Sir With Love. And I was like, did they force everyone in Philadelphia in the 1960s to watch this movie?

Does your mom sing that song when you guys do karaoke nights?

She doesn't sing the song, but she will sing it when she talks about it. Oh, okay. It's a beautiful song. She'll go, you know, the movie that really gets me. To Sir With Love. It's love, or however the tune goes. She'll sing the song to illustrate just how great the movie is. I don't know if that's what Megan Garrett does out there in Philly, but I know Megan Garrett supports TBTL, so thank you. Also, Cara Greenwalt is in Seattle, Washington. This is, Andrew, this is something very special today. We have two Caras, and their names are both spelled C-A-R-A. We have Cara Greenwalt, and then we've got Cara Tillman in Austin, Texas. Is that just one of those things? Is that just a coincidence? I think it's divine, clearly. I mean, I think both Caras are described as being angelic, divine, otherworldly, like Mr. Burns from that episode of The Simpsons. That's exactly how we describe them both, yes. Thank you, Cara Tillman in Austin. Also thanks to Caitlin Hart in Madbury, New Hampshire.

Caitlin is an internet friend of mine. And she makes amazing mixtapes on Spotify and is a great photographer.

Had, did you ever get out to Madbury, New Hampshire, when you were there?

I don't know if I've ever passed through. I should look up where Madbury is in the state here. Let's take a look. It's around Durham, Luke.

Okay, sure, that helps.

Where is it in relation to the Old Man of the Mountain R.I.P.? Not close. It's close to the seacoast. It's by Portsmouth. It's kind of getting near Portsmouth. So that's a beautiful, beautiful part of a beautiful, beautiful state. Of course, New Hampshire, fat on the bottom. That is the state motto that Genevieve and I really tried to get him to adopt, but unsuccessfully.

New Hampshire, dumps like trucks. I can't believe that one beat us out, actually. We're not fat on the bottom, had a little more class to it. Thank you so much, Caitlin. Also, thanks to Sean Savage down there in Los Angeles, California. that's a familiar narrow all the way through i think is what yeah state motto there so yeah uh thank you sean also thanks to stephanie thielen in gig harbor washington beautiful gig harbor washington um you know i might have mentioned this last time gig harbor came up but you know they they at some point i think not well no that's not true i think it was added a while ago but you know they built a new Tacoma Narrows bridge and they made it a toll bridge I don't think that the bridge before that was toll but what I've noticed is that there's a Whole Foods that's on one side of the bridge and they think they realized that a lot of their business was getting cut off because people didn't want to come come pay the toll to come to the Whole Foods so when you check out of this Whole Foods they will credit you the toll oh wow give it to you as a refund so that you don't get nicked trying to come across the bridge to buy their food.

And do you, is there a way that you have to show that like you're paying the toll or they just assume, you know, people who didn't have to pay the toll get a little bit off their groceries too?

I think that's what it is. I've only experienced this one time, but I was, I'm checking out and this is, I think the Whole Foods in Gig Harbor and they go, are you like, they sort of like asked me about my, where I was going and I was like, odd question. Lord knows I don't love the Trader Joe's. got any fun plans for tonight i mean the pressure of that question is intense but another weird question is uh where are you going after this i was like huh and they're like well because if you're crossing the bridge we'll give you your toll back on your thing or something so i was like wow that's that that's actually a pretty clever solution to the whole situation it's a

great advertising thing i had a question for you who can stay here for one second yes and then move on just speaking of like your local experiences and grocery stores and again apologies this is a little bit of retreading of something I talked to Genevieve about and after these messages yesterday but I came across a commercial on one of my old VHS tapes from the 90s from Seattle I think it was Cairo 7 I found a commercial maybe I should even try to dial this up for you here for Fred Meyer and this would have been 1995 and they talked specifically about the grand opening or grand reopening of three area Fred Meyers and they're really emphasizing this idea that it's one-stop shopping here and you've told me before i'm going to play this for you uh you've told me before that you you remember when fred meyer grocery stores started carrying groceries and weren't just more like appliance and technology stores um and i'm wondering would it have been around this time 1995 that they introduced groceries probably yeah

definitely um that because because that was the 95 would have my freshman year of college uh and so yeah my whole my whole childhood was that it was like a place you went to get clothes potentially and like you know uh a sleeping bag or a oil for your engine or whatever here take a listen to this i don't know if this is really

going to pay off that much it's just yeah i think this is just for you luke Thank you.

Do you live in the Bellevue, Lake City, or Renton areas? Then come see what's new in one-stop shopping. The Bellevue Fred Meyer Store. Completely remodeled top to bottom, inside out, and now easier to shop. The Lake City Fred Meyer, a special store for a special neighborhood. Two floors of great food, clothing, and new looks for your home. And in Renton Center, there's now a brand new Fred Meyer Store. The best in one-stop shopping. See it for yourself during the grand opening.

They really emphasize in all of the images people both, like, buying milk and basketballs and phones and computers.

Now, if I can take this to an even more esoteric place, that Lake City Fred Meyer, I knew it well because when we first moved to Seattle, we lived not far from Lake City. And we used to go to that Fred Meyer, and it was a one-story kind of low-slung building. and what they did was and that was back when it was you know not grocery and then they eventually built this big what seemed like a gleaming tower of fred meyer across the parking lot and then eventually moved over to the other location so i am guessing yeah that this would have been about the time when they moved across the parking lot from the humble original lake city fred meyer which i knew and loved to their fancy new palace of milk and tires it's a special store for a special community i mean that sounds like pretty patronizing the lake really does it really does oh lake city they're trying is there a that used to be their heart lake city

that used to be their slogan i love lake city but um yeah i know that lake city was kind of the butt of a lot of jokes uh for a long time is that fred meyer still there i kind of can't picture a fred

meyer it's like you go north of um you know i'm terrible with like the things that are that still exist in seattle but it's it's like sort of a little before 145th okay yeah i'm sure i'd say i'd put it like 100 130th and lake city way or something but yeah i believe it's still there again i don't know everything is just a vape shop now andrew can you imagine a vape shop the size of fred meyer and i didn't used to be able to but now i kind of could oh another thing remember when we were talking about raw cones on the show the other day oh the because i had gone papers yeah I had gone to get my dad a cigar, and I had to go to like Vape World or something because they also sold cigars. And they had all these signs about their deals on raw cones. And I was like, that's an interesting term. And anyway, I got sent home with some raw cones yesterday. I have a baggie of – not the gift bag, a totally unrelated baggie of stuff that I will probably never partake of, including some raw cones for my purposes.

So you gave away the weed, but you kept all of the stuff that you –

No, I have a different bag of weed.

Oh, really?

That I didn't even ask for. Like, there was the gift bag, which I handed off. But then there was just, during some downtime, a different bag of weed that was given to me. And then, like, well, do you have anything to smoke these with? And I was like, nope. And they're like, well, here's some cones. And then here's how you tamp this down. And then you need – make sure you grind this. And I was like, uh-huh, uh-huh, sure. I'll use my grinder for that part.

How's – by the way, I should have asked this before. How's Anthony this morning? Have we checked in?

He seems fine. We've checked – I don't believe we've made any regrettable calls to CBS Legal. Okay, good. I think where he and I actually have a meeting scheduled to talk, well, nine minutes ago. Oh, no. Really? But, yeah, no, no, we're good. I mean it's just a phone conversation. But I think everything is A-okay. And I think I'm okay. But, again, I will say this, and sorry that this has been belabored beyond all reasonable whatever. I felt this morning when I woke up like a Mack truck hit me. Really? I didn't have any alcohol yesterday. I literally had the butter that I've already described in excruciating detail. That was the only thing I consumed yesterday at, like, 2 p.m. And this morning when I woke up, I felt like there was, like, a 50. then i felt okay once i was up and moving but i felt sluggish is there a chance that that train

hit you wait is this heaven you said mac truck i mean a train and a mac i mean that amtrak

cascades line yeah i mean yeah it was weird though i mean and then i it didn't feel like a hangover i didn't have a headache i just felt like when i opened my eyes i felt like my body was still kind of sinking into the mattress i just felt like there was kind of i don't know just i felt sluggish i guess and then you know i had some coffee and i feel fine now but um anyway that's the story on that and also that's our donors of the day thank you so much

for your support we wouldn't be here without you here i go once again it's happening again now there are two of them what is that why is that going in and out i was because i was talking

over it i was just trying to lower it when i say now there are two of them i mean this is the second

Second show in a couple of weeks where we've just completely jumped over the top stories and gone right to the emails. But I figure we can talk about cornhole cheating tomorrow and also this Venom Fest story. Well, yeah, is is, you know, it's exactly what you expect from something called Venom Fest in Missouri.

Let's place a couple of short voicemails here and then you can get on the phone with Anthony and tell him that we're all rooting for him.

No, I'm going to tell him we're all wondering why he was being weird.

You should just be like, man, you made a real ass of yourself yesterday.

Are you? You're good, right? Because, yeah. What do you remember about last night? Dude, get it together. Jesus.

No, wait till he's high next time in New York, then say that to him. Don't act like you did last time. Anyway, okay, no, that's cruel. All right, so here's a voicemail I've been sitting on for a while for some reason. This is from our pal Anna Who, I don't know, I think I talked On the show at one point last week Or the week before about how various songs Will just sort of pop in my head and I'll go around The house singing them And that gave Anna this thought She has a question for us, which I actually I think I need some more time to think about But I'd like to put this in your head, Luke In the listener's head

This is Anna in Seattle And I'm listening to the part About Andrew having an ear warm of dirty deeds and they're done dirt cheap that's right um and that made me think of what my earworm song is but more specifically my anxiety song versus or like my interrupting intrusive thought song i don't know if other people have this but if i'm like oh my god this sucks i'm having a bad time or i'm such a doofus the song that i sing is from the elise mcguire movie and it goes hey now hey now this is what dreams are made of which is a little bit shady to myself um if i'm having anxiety or intrusive thoughts but i'd love to hear other people's or you guys have a song that sings you out of Terrible moments Power on

I want to think about that some more Because I know that feeling I know that feeling of going to a song When you're having intrusive thoughts Actually last night I felt like I was having some intrusive thoughts I was having one of those weird kind of mental days And I do know that sometimes I go to music But I can't put my finger on one right now

Well, first of all, that song I didn't know that was from the Lizzie McGuire movie I know that it has had a resurgence on TikTok That hey now, hey now This is what dreams are made of So that's some context for me Thank you, Anna I don't know This is not a song that I will sing to myself To self-soothe But it is a song that I mentioned recently on the show That is unfortunately jangling around in my head And it is basically Let me play this for you

how's that for you warned us about that last week that is like terrible losing my religion under the sea cut i do i don't like that you described that last week you don't enjoy that That sounds awful, and I thought you said that.

That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight. Losing my religion.

You know, one thing that I was thinking about was the songs that I sing. That's from the Chud soundtrack, by the way. That I sing to Bananas, our older cat, because I found myself this week, because I kind of, I don't know if I totally realized that I was doing this, and there are two songs that I sing to Bananas, often when I'm feeding her, but just throughout. And one of them is My Bananas has a first name. It's B-A-N-A-S, which I know isn't how you spell bananas, but it just works for us.

I like that it scans better, and the cat doesn't know how to spell. I stand with you on this.

You can sort of see it cute, like, you know, like, of course, a cat would spell bananas, B-A-N-A-S. And then the other one is... It ends backwards. Yeah, exactly. Like the R in Toys R Us. And I don't like singing on the show, I don't make nice sounds with my mouth, but I do sing, you know, that song, Rosanna, which was a point of focus on the show a while back because I think I had some of the lyrics wrong my whole life. But I will sing to her often when I'm when I'm like scooping out food. I will say, feed you all the way. Dunn, dunn, bananas, bananas. Now, those aren't. anxiety songs but those are two of the songs that i sing the most around my house i got it yeah i

sing a made-up song to bubbles that's just about it doesn't even really it doesn't have like elaborate verses or anything it's just kind of nonsense singing about bubbles burbank and her being the best and i don't know it's like i would be mortified if i actually recorded it and ever tried to analyze it but it's just it's just a pure expression of love between me and that cat but But, yeah, if you were just to hear the conversations that I have with her and the songs that I sing to her when it's the two of us, it's like with me and Rudy. It would just be you would think that I had had a psychotic break. It just seems totally unhinged.

Oh, that's the beauty of pets. I just want to say one more thing and then let's get out of here. I didn't know that there was such a thing as a Lizzie McGuire movie. I'm looking at it now. It's Hilary Duff. I was. Yes, it is. Huge.

I think Lizzie McGuire was a hit. It was a hit Nickelodeon show, I want to say. And then they probably made a movie.

Oh, okay. And it's Hilary Duff I see here. The movie came out in 2003. So, yeah, anyway.

Good. All right, then. I guess we will call that good for today. But guess what? We've got another one of these shows coming up tomorrow. So please do join us for that. Until then, have a great Wednesday. Take care of yourselves. Go Phils. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Dude, you smoking pot in here? We're not smoking pot, Rex. Dude, I know what it smells like, all right? Papa sucked a bit of it down in his time, okay? This is my house. I didn't have to let you live here after your mama kicked me out, did I? Dude, we don't even smoke pot, man. Let me tell you something. I inhaled your secondhand smoke. By noon, I'm smoking a crack pipe. You hear me? I got to keep it on the straight and narrow. I know. I know you know, bro-ham. Power out.