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Hey, Grandma. Can you come get me from the rap battle? No, I didn't win. No, he saw you drop me off. It was pretty much over after that. He did a pretty devastating rhyme about it. TBTL!

I think the thing that we want to do now, the thing ideally that we would end this meeting with meeting with is just get everyone looped in circle the wagons to the point where we can sort of set a roadmap for a dialogue yeah going forward isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheets i'm such

as a sucker for content do you just sit around all day thinking of nice things to say to people

it's not necessarily during the day but i do like to be nice to people Life's a potty. Wipe your body.

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

As soon as we get the cakes worked out here, I'm sure it's going to be a great, great show.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Hello, CD listeners. coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon.

Bring it back home, baby. Bring it back home.

Boy, oh boy, am I glad to be back home after it was like 14 or 15 straight days on the road for work, doing the show from hotels and the like. Here I am once again at home. Although I will tell you this, things really went gray gardens on it while I was gone here at my apartment.

It's the story of a man with a brothel of a home and a pool filled with human excrement.

I mean, the list of things that were in disrepair and having problems when I opened the door last night to this apartment was quite something. We'll tick through that list, including, by the way, I got a 72-hour eviction notice. that's a real thing i'm looking at it right now uh so we will get into that here on episode 3820 in a collector series let the fun begin also um news out of uh cutter where the world cup is the government there at the last minute decided they would not sell beer at the venues where the soccer matches were happening and you know this is a lot of the fans are kind of unhappy about it but story in the New York Times talking about how English soccer fans are uniquely obsessed with having their beer as they're watching their team play their soccer. Excuse me, I'm not a La Hocke and I do not like beer. Speaking of addictions, I'm on day two and a half of not being on Twitter and I'm glad to say the shaking seems to have subsided. My tongue was shaking, my head was

shaking, my arms were shaking, and my legs, my feet

too. So maybe a little update on that. And we'll chat with this young man, the longest running cobro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Now, does he always make sure to clean his house thoroughly before he leaves on a long trip? Yes, he does. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Okay, this is the part of the show where usually I try to think of something to make you laugh, or something along those lines or a story from my life but what the hell is going on with you forget about me i'm gonna kill my microphone why are you getting evicted what happened to your apartment 72 hour

72 hour eviction notice why what's going on non-payment of rent which they apparently

really really do not look kindly on would you do we need to have a tb telethon like right now Is that what's happening here?

No, Andrew, this is not the fault of our very generous listeners.

Okay, what's going on here? Are you broke as a joke?

This is the fault of my, I mean, you know, let's just say I was heavily leveraged in some NFL situations that may or may not come through. I don't know why I had Travis Kelsey down to kick a field goal at plus 3,000. I don't, looking back on it, I wish I wouldn't have made that bet. No. Here is basically what I guess happened. Well, first of all, okay, can I give you the list of things that were just jacked up in my apartment when I got back? Now, I know that the eviction notice would sort of, I'd say, be at the top of the list of things.

I guess let's hear the opening acts first, though.

Thank you. Let's get the appetizers going, and then we'll move into the main course. I opened my refrigerator, and it just... Something had turned in the refrigerator.

And it was, I had purchased some, like, pre-sliced deli cheese. It was boar's head. I don't know why the quality of the cheese should affect whether or not it turns. But it was, like, those little kind of rectangles. Not the kind where there's, like, a party platter, you know. I know you're not, cheese isn't, like, the top of your list. But you know how they have those party platters that have, like, five rows of different kinds of cheese? This was not that. The day that I had gone to my local Fred Meyer, they were sold out of those. And so I had bought something that was more like pre-sliced cheese you could put on a sandwich. But I had eaten a couple of slices, and then I'd put them back in the fridge. And what had happened was they were in this kind of plastic tray, and all of the cheese had gone bad and curled up into, like, yews. Like, it had almost animated. It was like it had come alive inside the refrigerator, and it was pretty malodorous. So I got the refrigerator all cleaned out, so that was good. remember i told you i ran out of here however long ago it was in a a real tizzy when i left and i didn't realize that there was about a one cup of coffee still in the coffee pot and so that i mean the good news andrew is i have a free access to as much penicillin as i need oh god it had turned into a complete science experiment as had the inside of the the coffee maker where the the coffee grounds had been that everything had gone to bloom and so i washed all of that put it all through the dishwasher that's all clean and taken care of i have question when

did you get home last night after all of this i know that you had some an interview in san francisco last night but then that looked like that would might be in question so i know interviewed a different person so did you end up like getting into town like did you when you open up your refrigerator and you get that stench you look at your coffee pot and it's overgrown with fungus It's like 9.30 at night. It's 9.30 at night.

It's not super bad. It's not like, it's not one in the morning. And so I, the coffee was a situation. Also, I have this, it's like a fountain, if you will, a water fountain for the cat that's perpetually recycling. Do you guys have one of those, one of those freshwater guys? Yep. it's it's great in theory but the problem is when the water gets too low which just happens through the natural process of evaporation when the water gets too low then the the pump stops well the pump continues to pump but the water no longer moves through it so if you put a bowl of water out you know it'll last for a long time like because the cat's not here right now the cat is actually staying with becca's family um but like this pump this this fountain is fine when i'm here and i can reef like add water to it every day but i've noticed is if i'm ever gone it like it evaporates off just enough water that it's no longer getting caught up in the pump and then the pump is just going oh that's terrible for a pump yeah yeah i mean yeah exactly so that was desiccated and just going with no water moving through it also um uh like i said most critically i had an envelope sitting under the door that said you have you are being evicted for lack of rent payment uh your rent is now seven days overdue that was as of november 7th you have seven days to pay this or you are evicted now i don't know if you are good with math andrew but that would put it at november 14th And we are as today I look at the calendar on, I believe, November 21st, maybe 22nd, even worse. So supposedly I was evicted as of like eight days ago or something.

Well, listen, I don't want to jump right into defending nonpayment of rent here, but I in the in the Internet speak of our time that escalated quickly. I mean, that seems strange to me that, like, if I'm not paying my rent, like, I don't think I've ever rented from a corporation or I haven't in, like, 20 years or something. But, like, you would get an email that says, hey, you know, we haven't received your rent. If this continues, then, like, you know, we would need to take actions. Like, I feel like there would be a lot of communication before it started to get to the E-word of eviction.

Well, exactly. That's the other E-word today. Exactly. Exactly, Andrew. Now, I also I did when I lived in this other apartment in Portland, I guess I also was renting from a huge corporation. But what I've never had happen is I've never been renting from a huge corporation when my lease is up and I'm going to, I guess, maybe start a new lease with the same corporation. for most of the rest of most of the previous 20 years of my life i had a mortgage so this is still kind of new territory to me the crossover between the end of one lease and the beginning of another lease with a big company like the one that manages this place they're called gray star that's when you know know i mean that's when you know it's a mom and pop when the company the management company is called gray star you know that it's probably just a really it's just like a sweet older like italian couple that just like came over and then just worked really hard and then just bought this 40 unit apartment building made of concrete and glass and then named their management company

Greystar. Well, Overlord was taken.

They sign every email with, I find your lack of faith disturbing. Comma, Greystar Management.

Your friend at Greystar Management, please remember to clean up after your pets.

Here's what I guess happened. I sent off an email. Now, you would think most people, they come home and they find a letter that says, you have you're going to be evicted in 72 hours and that and that that day was as of eight days ago you know i would say most people would be really freaked out or they would be walking down to the office going please please don't don't evict me i was just pissed and insulted honestly i because of like you said the escalation factor and so i sent an email back that just said i've been traveling for work and i was quite shocked to return home and find an eviction notice under my door my lease ended in october and i was under the impression it would just revert to month to month at a higher rate and continue to auto deduct from my account as has been the case for the previous year is that not what happened i like to rectify this obviously and set up a time to pay the back month by the way i'm not even so this is as of today i'm 22 i'm 22 days late on my rent

total okay so this is interesting and this might have been me not paying enough attention but now I now I understand it better I thought November was your last month rent but no October was the last month October was the last also I also don't know if you said this and I missed it that um it usually automatically deducts like I don't think I've ever done that before I think we've always cut a check or gone online to pay or something so that's interesting I understand I understand everything more I understand I think maybe their position and your position a little bit more Although I still think that like the communication should have began with them. Again, I'm not a phone call or just you're an email. Like, and again, I'm not trying to, you know, like I, I know that sometimes like you and I are on different sides of like whether or not the world should bend to you to meet you. And like, I, I, I'm not really like that, but, um, but in this case, like, I don't understand why they wouldn't initiate, Hey, we have a tenant. I mean, housing is a product and a service that is not like buying, let's say, mayonnaise or even a car. You know, this is your home. There are protections around that. You would think that there would be an email from them saying, hey, we realize that your lease is coming up or is up, and we need to talk about renegotiating a lease or resigning a lease or what have you. Unless you missed something or I'm missing something, it seems strange that it just went from we're auto-deducting, auto-deducting, auto-deducting, and now you're going to be evicted.

Well, let me also give a little more context, if I can make this even sort of more in the weeds of the paperwork. they did um a month before my lease is up they also put a envelope under my door and it had um basically like a a sort of um i don't know a contract a more like just a letter informing me hey your lease is up these are your options okay you can resign for a year and we're going to charge you x amount you can which by the way in all of these scenarios i'm paying more money so they're raising the rent regardless but they're going to raise it the least if i sign a one-year lease right because they want to that benefits them they'll raise it a little more if i want to sign a six-month lease or i have the option to just go month to month meaning i don't have a lease and they're going to add the most to my rent and because i'm working on this other house and i'm going back and forth a lot and i'm putting this studio adu in which i am hoping to actually be able to live in a potentially pretty soon what is pretty soon i don't know talk to walt no but

i mean to get out there and run some romance even in your head like in just a vague notion like is it six months okay under a year or over a year oh okay three months okay that's closer

than i thought okay yeah i mean that just depends on a lot of different variables but not not 12 months okay all right so um by the way you know not to speak ill of my fellow eagles but i think more than one person said to me on Saturday night in Seattle hey how'd that 4th of July party go because I had floated this I wanted to do this grand 4th of July party at this house which of course is like I was wildly off about the timing I thought that you

were always promising this coming 4th of July it was supposed to be last 4th of July

well I moved it it was supposed to be last 4th of July it just tells you how kind of of distended this process has become but anyway here's the point one of the things on this contract was um you can just go month to month and we're just going to charge you through the nose for the for the the convenience of not being trapped in a lease with us what they don't realize is i don't care about leases i don't respect them as a thing so i could have just i could have signed the one you're late ability luke you're losing the relatability fan i mean honestly honestly i mean i'm a cute ewok i'm trying they're the death star they're the death star no but look at this thing i could have signed a one-year lease with them and just been like yeah well whenever i decide to leave i'll iron i'll i'll cross that bridge when i come to it but i just thought no you know what i'm gonna do month to month i'm gonna overpay so that when i'm ready to go up to the other place then i don't have i'm not encumbered with this and so so that's what i did that so i was like i'll just go month to month they're basically like if if you don't re-sign the lease it goes to month to month so i was like fine so that was the uh that was the that was what i was on the impression i was operating yeah well so apparently apparently so let me just finish reading this email that i sent to them i said i find this to be really insulting that after paying my rent on time for the entirety of my lease and being obviously a good tenant no one called me or knocked on my door or emailed me to let me know the payment was not going to be deducted from my account um i just got a letter when i got home threatening eviction i felt this was really disrespectful luke burbank like not like best luke but i just was like come on y'all just call a guy email a guy and not one of these i mean this company gray star sends like 35 things a day that are like the southern elevator is down please use the northern elevator until it's ready or please do not leave your um micro green live edge um vegetable plastic clamshells near the recycle it's just always this in like just inundation of of whatever so maybe there was something in all of that from the like corporate account that was saying hey we didn't get your payment but it's like how about just like one of these people that work here just email me going hey luke where's your rent right well because this is gray star or whatever that's not how they do it so the response i got from from them was and i don't know who it was from they didn't sign it but i actually found this to be reasonable right like they were explaining what happened um i've checked your account it looks like the payment the reason the payment wasn't drafted from your account was due to how the payments were originally set up by you it looks like you had your payment scheduled through october 1st so only so they did not continue to draw after you went month to month you can log into the portal and make a one-time payment for november and reset the recurring payment etc etc um and so basically what happened

was i had the auto payment set up to do one year so it didn't auto it didn't auto kick in november 1st i didn't even know you could do that on auto payments by the way i didn't either i wasn't doing that intentionally it must have been some default setting that i didn't realize but so uh and then she said i actually i don't know the gender of this person the person from the apartment complex whoever responded said um uh we don't track residents online payments and whether or not they have expired we leave that to the resident um and as far as the letter this was not meant to be insulting it is just what we are legally required to do by law to to anyone owing a balance and they must receive the same documentation again i can check in with and i'll omit the name of the person who has signed the letter next week for information about the emails. But in the meantime, you can make a payment through the portal. Please let us know if you need any assistance resetting up your payments. So I sort of assumed a version of this. I didn't assume that I hadn't set the payment up. I assumed that all of this stuff with that you have, I mean, it's a very strongly letter awarded thing that comes in. It's like 72 hour eviction notice, all caps this is all for them basically laying the groundwork for if this gets actually ugly in other words there are you know a lot of people that um there are a lot of people who who are in a financial situation where they can't pay their rent and um they may not want to leave the unit they're in there are also people who are just jerks and they realize that they can just like they can run the clock out to a degree on these on these management companies i could my guess is I could probably stay in this apartment for six months before I have to give them a dime. They would be getting various judgments against me. There'd be all kinds of legal machinations. But I think it's pretty hard to get somebody out of a unit because of what I think are actually very good tenant laws in a place like Portland, where you can't just evict someone. Now, I am very privileged. I'm not someone who personally needs the protection of those laws, but I think there are a lot of people who do. So I think those laws are good. But I think basically what this what this gray star.

is doing is just getting all of their I's dotted and T's crossed so if they needed to legitimately show up with the like police in six months it's all right there it's all documented they've done everything by the letter of the law I don't think there was any chance they were actually going to try to throw me out of this apartment because my rent is three weeks

late yeah and if you're saying not to turn on you but if you're saying that like oh really

you already turned on oh maybe

they did tell me some maybe they did send some emails and I didn't see them because they were mixed in with other emails that they sent. I mean, if that is the case, if they've been reaching out to you via email and there's a chance that you just didn't see it, which, I mean, let's face it, it's very believable. There are some outstanding emails I've sent to you. In fact, I'm still wondering, are we? Outstanding? I'd call them average at best. Don't try to steal my outgoing mail joke from yesterday.

I really was. In my mind, I was trying to meld those jokes in my brain,

as i was saying i will lawyer up so quickly if you start stealing my material um but no i'm still waiting to find out if we're doing that thanksgiving special that tb tell thanksgiving special from 2016 that we were going to do but i'm still waiting an email from you on that no uh but anyway yeah i mean if if there have been communications and this i mean i think it's hilarious that they're called gray star but um but i uh you know that that just sounds like business i mean this is i'm just right here's what i'm saying yeah i think seven days for

anyone that is a bullshit amount of days late to be evicted in my opinion seven days late like think about somebody could like be hospitalized like again i don't think that i am the prime example of i don't think that i'm a sympathetic version of this right because i i do have the money to pay the rent this was a basically a clerical error and i'm also very like um i'm just i don't stay on top of these things the way i should but imagine you're someone else and imagine you are financially struggling or imagine that something happens with your family and you have to go be with them or i just think seven days is way too short seven days i used to have a i used to live in apartments in seattle where there was a five-day grace period they wouldn't even charge you a late fee it was like the rent was due either the first of the month or try to get it here by the fifth and i understand these are giant mega companies and they have thousands of tenants so they have to have strict rules but like i just again i'm not even talking about me in this case but i just think the fact that it's seven days and then seven days after that i mean they could right now legally the cops could be outside my door hauling me out of here they're not going to again mostly owing to my massive privilege but doesn't that just seem wild that if you were seven days late with your rent they can start evicting you i am not a fan of of like

you know protect protecting or overly protecting landlords or or like i feel like we live in a in a culture at least here in seattle and everybody you know i i know people who've tried to just rent out their house when they moved across the country and ended up with just absolute nightmare scenarios absolute nightmare scenarios of people who are renting their house and and damaging and just like destroying their property and trying to run advantage of everything i know that there are stories about that but i think that the vast majority of people who are renting property are huge companies and um and that this idea that if you're a landlord you're some sort of a martyr that's the way our old um the property owner used to act like he always acted like he was doing us like he was just some sort of like just some sort of princely martyr who is doing his best to to to you know make sure we have a place to live but really this landlord life isn't for him even though he owns several properties on top of being a professional architect you know it's like you're not a hero like if you don't want to make money by renting property in seattle sell your property you know what i mean like i i have a big chip on my shoulder when it comes to that having said that i don't know if in seven days the cops could really be dragging you out of there i think i mean everything you hear about they could in 14 days yeah i mean or whatever it is i mean don't you think that i mean there are so many protections and so many hoops that i think that they they come in especially as a as a corporation like this they come in with that language to state it legally but the process would take you know

potentially months and months i would guess um i mean i can go grab the contract it says as of seven days my seven it says eviction for non-payment of rent and seven days in that's when the eviction process begins if i don't actually pay it off by the 14th of november then they can legally remove me from the apartment now i'm with you i'm sure if i called the tenants board here or if i filed some sort of counter thing i could drag it out like but and and you know there i'm i'm sure there are myriad rules and laws that i don't even know about in terms of like trying to get rental assistance and and maybe arguing that the

apartment's not livable there's all these mechanisms i could potentially use but i do think the idea that like and that it start the clock starts ticking day one at seven days it's like you are technically legally able to be uh starting the eviction process and by 14 days they could literally haul you out of here which is what the contract says that's that just seems to me to be fairly extreme and i also want to say what you said which is i know we have a lot of listeners who have like maybe you own like a house that you're renting out and you live in a different house or you've got an adu um and you're not somebody who feels like you're you're you're well off you just have worked hard and you you bought something as a as an investment and you're you know you're like i know that that is definitely a class of person and a lot of our listeners are probably in that class so i don't i mean i used to back in la i had a i had an adu behind my house and i had a nightmare tenant and it was a whole thing so like i definitely know that's a real thing i don't want to make it sound like everyone who's a landlord is uh scrooge mcduck or something so the idea of being able to have a way to actually remove someone who's like living in your property but who's really um either not paying you ever or destroying the property i do think that those rules should exist this just to me was kind of like i just felt like it basically was why i don't think i want to live in this building i wouldn't mind living in a smaller apartment building where like somebody named like ed owns it and ed just calls you you have a missed call from ed and he's like hey i didn't get the rent this month and like oh shoot i'm sorry and then i go check the like auto pay and i'm like oh i'm sorry it turned off like one call while i was somewhere in new york or dc or wherever and just from even these people a voicemail from a human being saying hey uh what's up um you didn't pay your rent this month i'd be like oh seriously and they go yeah i don't think the auto pay is working i'd be like oh i'm sorry let me go into the portal like that's all you need but because like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand's doing and the the thing the eviction notice was signed from someone who's on vacation right now and none of the other people have access to that person's record keeping it just the i'm sorry to say it andrew but the im the impersonal nature of dealing with a company called gray star is really it's really it's really frustrating me on this tuesday morning

what you want is simple if you're a little bit behind in the rent you just want mr furley to come over and talk to you and your and your your two female roommates you could go on a date with me and maybe we could see about this late rent situation exactly it's very simple oh yeah buddy

anyway um so i i the good news is i don't think they're gonna haul me out of here and i'm gonna get it worked out this afternoon um and everything else i will tell you i had such a nice other than that other than almost thinking i was going to be evicted i had a really nice morning because i basically ungray gardens my apartment so just like thoroughly cleaned everything ran everything through the dishwasher that had gotten gross bagged up all the garbage got all the stuff out of the fridge uh played my little um uh you know made myself a big pot of coffee played my little oscar peterson trio pandora station put the fireplace channel on my tv and just kind of got ready for the morning cleared a bunch of things off my to-do list and you know paid various bills So I had actually an extremely nice morning here that really reminded me of how nice it is to be home. I don't think of myself as a homebody, but, man, that was a long time for me to not have underwear, Andrew. Yeah.

There were some questions about that on Slack. I decided I was not going to bring that up at the top of the show. I'll tell you what.

I'm wearing this today. Well, it's the second time in 14 days that I'm wearing. Well, third time in 14 days I'm wearing underwear because day one when I went to New York, I had it on and then realized I didn't have any and then didn't. And then I got my – I took my laundry to the laundromat and then I had one pair of underwear. So then there was another day that I had it and then I didn't have any more. And then I got home and then I put some on last night.

And the first day felt like two days. Yeah, I've got it all written down somewhere. I'll show you later. But I'm assuming that Bubbles is still at the Cat Sitters. You have a friend. Yes. Okay, just to –

Yeah, because the problem is, guess what? Tomorrow, I'm leaving again because I'm going to my parents' house for Thanksgiving. And then I'll be in Seattle because I'm doing a big four-day shoot for a big software company on the east side. Oh, did I tell you? I probably mentioned this on Saturday night. I got bizarrely recognized in the Wedgwood broiler before I found all of you all when we met up for dinner. I we went into the bar I was looking around for you all and you weren't there they were in like this back room and I was leaving the bar and a woman comes up to me goes are you the guy from standards and practices and I said I don't think so she goes no are you the guy who like says the you're the guy on the videos and I was like oh you mean

the cyber security video she goes she goes yeah she was can i take a picture with you that is amazing and i was like uh yeah she was it's what she said that i thought was funny she goes can i take a picture with you as a joke yeah exactly i i never heard like i've never heard someone say can i take a picture with you as a joke she goes she goes i heard your voice and i recognized you immediately so that was the first ever sighting in the wild for me of being the um anti-phishing cyber security dude for this giant software company on the east side.

Oh, God. If that happened more often, I would insist upon you carrying around thumb drives in your pocket to give out to people. That would be amazing.

Can I just take a picture of you as a joke, with you as a joke? That's going to be... Am I a joke to you? What, like a clown that I amuse you? Is that what you said? No, I didn't. I just took the picture because i was looking for all of y'all yeah i was like distracted and like uh okay sure great yes let's do this it's probably like my least gracious now had it been a 10 i would have you know we would have been there for hours finding out about their family and stuff but this was uh somebody else who was just saying can i take a picture with you as a joke and i was like okay fine i'm just a piece of meat to you a handsome piece of meat here to teach you about cyber security so Okay, let's take a quick break, and then when we come back, I do want to share with you a very well-written article in the New York Times, Andrew, regarding the beer situation in Qatar. So we'll get into that in a moment here on TBTL. hey let's thank some of our daily donors these folks are keeping the program going and we are so appreciative of their financial support folks like joe scott of kirkland Washington do you know Andrew that the hottest the must-have hoodie right now is the Kirkland signature brand hoodie for sale at Costco no I didn't know is it super comfortable it's just I think it's super hip you know the kids the young people they've got like you know how they you know they re-embraced friends like the logo friends you started to see everybody was wearing those shirts that had the sort of, you know, I guess you call it the logo for the TV show Friends. Yeah. There's kind of a, I don't even know what it would be described as, but it's sort of a normcore, there's a sort of normcore vibe. I know normcore happened years ago, but there's a version of normcore that's very in where it's like, if you're a young person, you would wear like, for instance, just a sweater from Costco that says Kirkland Signature Brand on it in the logo. Like they're selling out. You can't even get them because all of the young people are buying them up. And probably some unselfaware dads that are just like, well, that's a hoodie that I can use. But mostly it's kids who are hip.

I don't think I realized, and maybe this was me not paying close enough attention, I don't think I realized, I looked it up immediately, that it had the big logo on the front. I thought it was just like a style of logo. Oh, right. I assume that you can buy all kinds of clothes at Costco that doesn't say Kirkland Huge on it. it's just that i have some friends who are like yeah these pants are really comfortable or or what have you so i see what you're saying these are actually it says kirkland across the front

it's a real branding thing yes and that's the thing it's like it's something that becomes so you know i'm sure all these young people their parents a lot of them went to costco and so you have a lot of kirkland brand stuff around your house and then it becomes almost kind of like an inside joke and then you're you're you're venerating and elevating the kirkland look Because you all grew up with it And then all of a sudden it's actually in the style And then all of a sudden you can't get your hands on a Kirkland brand hoodie I don't know if Joe's got one He lives over there But anyway, thanks Joe Also, Jillian Williamson is in Calgary, Alberta, Canada The Calgary Cannons One time Mariners farm team Oh really?

What was their logo or their mascot?

I don't know Unless the Cannons now feed up to a different Major League team I'm not sure if they still exist But when I was a kid I would always hear at some point About the Calgary Cannons and how they were doing Oh, it's a cool logo

Are they still around? No, they were a minor league baseball team Last of 85 to 2002 But yeah, it is an angry Cannon So it's like this kind of the nose The face is down by the wheels of the Cannon

You don't see a lot of peaceful Cannons

no just like it's just a just a namaste canon it's like a pacifist yeah just hang on the sideline being like you guys

This is not the answer. The sad canons. There has to be a way to work this out without violence.

That's right. I should just be shooting people out of me for circus acts. I should be shooting T-shirts. For circus acts. Yeah.

I should be shooting T-shirts into the crowd at a Denver Nuggets game. That's right. Thanks, Jillian. Thanks also to Kim and Ryan Kerr in Seattle, Washington. I appreciate you both. Also, Paul Ortiz is in Roseville, California. I wonder if they have any roses there. I'm trying to think. That sounds like it might be Central California to me, but I don't know why. I don't know why I say that, Andrew. I don't know why I say anything on this show. It just feels like it could be maybe the Central Valley or something.

Yeah, it does sort of. I would kind of get that vibe as well. It's the Ville part of it.

You've got Vacaville over there. You've got a lot of Ville.

What would you do if I told you it's right outside Sacramento?

I would say, yeah, okay, I wasn't far off. It's a little north. That's not Central Valley, but it's definitely—it's not in San Diego. I didn't think we were going to have—like, Roseville was going to be a suburb of San Diego.

Yeah, I'm with you.

And I was right about that, and you have to admit it, Paul Ortiz. You're legally obligated, just like I'm legally obligated to pay my rent within 14 days. You're legally obligated to admit I was sort of right about the location of Roseville.

When you look up Roseville on Google Maps and it shows you like kind of the outline of the city or the community and, you know, it'll usually kind of highlight various, I don't know, businesses, museums, points of interest in there. One of the first things that pops up is Denio's Farmer's Market and Swap Meat. And I feel like Denio's Farmer's Market and Swap Meat in Roseville, California should be on my bucket list. That sounds amazing. Oh, also, there's a Costco if you want to get one of those Kirkland shirts.

Good luck getting one of those Thanks also to Marissa Uterberg Of Lakewood, Ohio Now Andrew, I don't know if I'm saying Marissa's last name right But I know If anyone's going to know, it's you Because you're a one-time resident of Lakewood, Ohio

Yes Marissa has written into the show before We share a Lakewood in common I lived in Lakewood for Maybe like three of the Best years of my youth I love Lakewood, I think of it very fondly And any time I'm back in Cleveland, I take a trip through Lakewood. It's great.

But do you know how people with that last name pronounce it in Lakewood, Ohio?

I would have probably said Uderberg. I can't remember what you said.

I said, I think I went with the U, like as in the Uderberg. No, it's Uderberg probably, right?

You put the U in Uderberg. I sure do.

And I shouldn't have. It should have been. How do you say it again?

I don't know, but I was saying Uderberg.

It sounded more natural. I feel like when you come from a place, you kind of have a sense of not only the like other little places around there that you kind of have maybe a unique pronunciation. I'm sorry, an unique pronunciation. But I also feel like you must have known. Did you know an Uderberg when you were in Lakewood, Ohio? Was that a common last name?

No. And I'm also, you know, I don't know if Marissa's are only Lakewood 10. I feel like I've heard from another one. But if Marissa is the tenant I'm thinking of, she might not be from Lakewood, but has moved there later. So then where does that leave you by that logic, you know?

We're back at square one.

We're all the way back at square one.

We're back at square un.

Somebody, I want to say this briefly, because I think this came up on the show. And then somebody, it might have even been my friend Jessica, who listens to the show, sent me an article that came out recently revisiting the idea of why Cleveland, of all places, is such a clam-bake capital. Considering that there are not like you know A lot of clams

They're Cuyahoga clams

And it had to do with like the Is Gentry the right word These upper classes Very expensive freshwater clams From the Cuyahoga River But yeah I guess like Rockefellers Would pass through For like the holidays or whatever And then they would have for some reason clams

ship the rockefellers like the rockefellers like the rockefeller family yeah like the people who

run the label the jay-z label no oh no no no dame dash and no i think i mean oh now i read this like a month ago and i can't remember but like yeah there was some aristocracy basically that would be coming through and then this was the time of year also where you could ship clams via train and the weather was cool enough. It wouldn't turn. You're not doing this during August or whatever. I got you. So probably traveling in the September, October era, I think.

So probably there were some, like you said, some Carnegies, some Rockefellers, some people that were some of those extremely, extremely wealthy American families, and they would be either stopping off in Cleveland or maybe they would have a place on the lake and then they would have their clams shipped out. And then they would do some kind of a clam bake. And then that just sort of became a thing.

That was my understanding of it. And now I'm looking for the latest article. But I see that people have written about this here. It looks like maybe it wasn't even a new article. People wrote about it in 2016 and 2020. How did Cleveland come to love clam bake so much? I can't read this on the fly. Just assume that it was because Jay-Z wanted some clams while he was visiting Lakewood, Ohio.

Well, Marissa, thank you for checking in. Thank you also for prompting Andrew to do some research on the clam history of that area. That's actually genuinely kind of interesting to me.

It is interesting. I wish I had that right.

We have Marissa to thank for that today. And we also have Kelly Welch to thank for supporting the show from Sherwood, Oregon, a place that I now know where that is, Andrew. Yeah. Sherwood. Do you pass through it? Yeah, you drive near it, I believe, to get down, I think, to Salem. I feel like I drive past. I feel like I see a Sherwood exit. or I think the traffic is always traffic tends to back up in Sherwood, Oregon so Kelly next time you're I don't blame Kelly for that at all next time you're stuck in traffic there Kelly hope that you're rocking to TBTL and enjoying the show and enjoying the fruits of your donation so thanks to all of our daily donors for making today's episode possible we couldn't do this without y'all hello and welcome to top story have you been following the world cup at all andrew

just a little bit i've been listening to the dan lambertard show so they've been talking about it a lot and then talking about whether they're talking about it too much as that show usually goes you know that sounds like our move that type of thing it seems to me like it's you know holding it in cutter seems like a pretty problematic move and it sort of seems like a pretty corrupt organization so like and I'm not well read up on that stuff but it's like it's a it's a tough thing for me to do I don't want to I feel like I have a tendency to kind of not care about soccer um in the way I used to not care about any sports and then therefore I can kind of check check out of it um I don't want to dunk on people who are who really love it but there's something I'm trying to figure out if I would feel differently about it if it was some sort of football or baseball event but like even then like i don't follow like international baseball like that it's really it's really hard for me to like kind of get into this and then having in cutter seems even more icky and then um honestly and i've said this before i went to like a world cup watching party for usa like years and years ago when i was in in la with some friends who i appreciate inviting me but like being in a room full of people chanting usa usa usa made me really uncomfortable like i i don't like chanting for sports anyway like you know what i mean like i don't go in for the sea hawks or whatever like it's just my personality but there's something so nationalistic about you know being in a room full of people chanting usa like it just gives me chills but not in a good way and i'm able to separate yeah there is i mean for me uh i haven't been

following uh who's i know that um i know that england won going away against iran i think they won six to two and i i saw a couple of the a couple of the kind of um top line scores but i'm not really following it i will if the u.s men manage to actually like get sort of deep into the tournament as the general kind of buzz around it builds that's when i'll suddenly like become a you know u.s national team soccer fan all of a sudden i'll be like oh wow we're doing better than we expected i actually think that this is one of those years where going in there was a reasonable chance the u.s could do all right i mean in many years past we were just we wouldn't even get to the tournament but if we did we would be really kind of not you know not particularly competitive the main thing though that i've been as far as the chanting usa thing in that case i am i'm okay with it because i can separate it out in my mind and i feel like what i'm chanting usa as someone else is chanting Viva la France. To me, it's like the dynamic is different than I'm on the battlefield in Iraq, and I just called in a drone strike and I'm chanting USA. That's a bad time.

There's definitely a difference there.

And I'm able to hold those two truths in my mind at the same time. I do feel like when your nation's soccer team is playing against another nation's soccer team, and they are chanting the name of their nation that's probably the only time that i feel real great about a usa usa chant or at least i don't feel particularly conflicted but the main thing that i've been noticing about this is yeah cutter is does not seem like in any way a very open society and does not seem like a great place to put an international um massive international sports get together just because of all of the stories around the

All of the just Google it, all of the things that go on in a lot of those countries in that area, whether it's Saudi Arabia or Qatar or places like that, where you have really two societies, you have the people who are very, very wealthy because of oil money, and then you have the people who are effectively in human slavery and not a good scene at all. not not very open democracies and so what we're gonna put our tournament there like that feels gross to me but i will tell you this if i went there as a fan of like say england and then i found out like a few days before the tournament they're not going to sell beer anywhere near the stadium i would be especially ticked off which is kind of what sarah lyall is writing about in the new york times today england had a game but first its fans had a quest for beer the basic premise of sarah's piece is that everyone who watches soccer and i'm saying that broadly a lot of you know well i'll just read you her exact thing many countries fans enjoy beer with their soccer of course americans and argentines germans and mexicans and most everywhere in between but there remains something about the English quote I've never seen a sober English football fan in my life said 36 year old a 36 year old fan named Simon who declined to give his last name perhaps because he was a little unsober himself is this the same I didn't realize I had read this exact

article is this the same article where later on she's interviewing somebody and she says so and who mentioned several times that he was turning 50 today and that was literally andrew that was

literally the moment when i said we should just talk about this piece sorry if i blew that for you i didn't realize we're not at all it's just so funny that we zero in on the same things all the time this just basically is this reporter sarah lyle just basically embedding herself with a bunch of really drunk kind of like funny english soccer fans who she's then just like not even being uh insulting towards but just kind of like more so than usually happens in the new york times just calling it what it is we're hydrating said matthew wyatt referring to the many empty bottles of beer and the and the full the many full bottles of water in his booth at the red lion so apparently there's like you can't get beer at the stadium but there is there are a limited number of like bars or pubs that are allowed to operate so it's not i think like saudi arabia i think alcohol is literally illegal maybe outside of some of the hotels i guess in cutter they're letting it happen in some places but like not at the stadium so everyone has figured out where are the like a couple of bars and this one called the red lion seems to be a place for a lot of the english soccer fans to kind of um hang out um a couple tables away gary Douglas 52 was measuring the time in pint glasses we got here six beers ago he said she then talks about what they're selling at the actual stadium she said the new regulation in cutter meant that fans have to cram more drinking into a shorter period of time followed by a too long period with no beer at all except water or Budweiser zero whose name speaks for itself

now this is where i so these people we knew that there was never we knew that there was never going to be any beer inside the stadium but originally people thought that they could like kind of pre-funk as they say right outside the stadium kind of a tailgating sort of situation and then you go and you watch the match and see i did call it a match which means i'm getting better with my terminology um but um and even that here's here's what i'm building up to this idea of people being like okay oh my god they've changed it now now we have to find this bar which is further away from the stadium we have to get as drunk as possible there and then go over to the game as somebody who and i i can't figure out if i'm if my relationship with alcohol is even less healthy than these folks but to me that sounds awful as somebody who loves to have too many beers the idea of pounding a whole bunch of beers so that you can then traipse across town then sit to watch a match and slowly like sober up and essentially kind of start to get hung over while you're watching the match sounds awful i'd rather just stay sober the whole time

um yeah and that i mean that was sort of a calculation i was making was yeah you'd be sort of you'd be coming down during the game which i mean obviously you're going to be amped because you're watching your team play but it seems like it would be now another thing they mentioned in the piece is um i guess this is actually not selling beer at like premier league matches is not unheard of probably due to a certain amount of hooliganism and stuff like i think there are there are stadiums in the premier league where they just said we're not going to sell alcohol because it gets too crazy but those are presumably also like there's a bar there are myriad bars that are almost physically attached to the stadium so everybody can just get like fully tanked up and then walk inside and then just like cruise off of that high for a few hours whereas in this case yeah you're like far away from the stadium you're getting you're getting you know turnt and then you have to like you said go a while getting to the stadium and then the game starts or the match or whatever i thought this probably honestly my favorite it's just one little turn of phrase but i thought it was so genius in this piece um sarah writes um visitors are not allowed to smuggle bottles of liquor into their hotels for clandestine drinking before decanting themselves into the street yeah decanting themselves it's very well written that is a gene that's genius work like that is a great line to talk about humans if it's in the context of alcohol talk about humans decanting themselves out into public i was like that i'm gonna remember that line for a long time that is an extremely clever uh word choice yeah anyway then she just goes on to um kind of talk to other people who uh who are there and getting pretty pretty tuned up these two guys uh who she's sort of i guess profiling kind of following along at another stop on the trip this was um these two guys their last names are wyatt and kenny they had actually gone to the world cup in korea um or i'm sorry they went to japan and korea like years ago some of their fondest tournament memories revolve around drinking they said in japan the brewer sapporo held an epic event in which fans could drink as much beer and eat as much barbecued beef as they liked for a set amount of time wyatt and kennedy thought it might have been 150 minutes though they couldn't remember exactly at another stop on that trip kenny drank so much that he almost didn't make it out of the train station for the england sweden match i told him quote you go on without me he recalled but wyatt refused to leave his friend behind he gave me something like a chocolate bar and that revived me said kenny the game they both remembered was a tie um there's just all of these little like just details little moments by by then kickoff was approaching and fans in the red line were getting rowdy some took up the standard england chant where they just keep repeating england over and over again only it sounds like ingerland paul farrell who was dressed as saint george the

patron saint of england his costume included a linen smock a chainmail hood and a custom-made shield he said he wasn't drunk per se just high on life as he left he began singing an expletive enhanced chorus of there'll be no drinking in cutter to the tune of she'll be coming around the mountain anyway just a very very good piece of writing in the new york times today from uh from sarah lyle so um you know i have to say that sounds not the being in the pub and getting pissed with a bunch of my friends part but everything else being in flying to cutter and i don't know dealing with all of that and going to it just sounds terrible to me i was even seeing some stuff online the other day it might have been on tiktok i can't remember where but it was a bbc might have been maybe before i quit twitter i have joined titter though so that's kind of cool founded something called titter um i saw something it was actually a bbc clip of it looked real fire festival when you do something on the scale of you know the world cup obviously it's so many thousands of people coming and there's so many different sorts of lodging situations that you're going to get you know some some whack stuff but it was all these folks who had basically paid for what was sort of presented as like a beach club party vibe where you'd have your own kind of like you'd have your own like glamp unit and there would be like all of these bars and all these and it was all on the beach in cutter which i haven't looked at the map is cutter on like the gulf of oman or something like is it is cutter one of those places that's actually on some water or Is it one of those places where they literally built an ocean just because they can? I feel like that kind of thing happens in, like, Saudi Arabia and stuff. Qatar is almost surrounded by water. I had to look it up. Okay, so this would have been the real ocean. The Persian Gulf, of course. Okay, so yeah, like, this thing was being pitched as, like, you're going to be in, like, the beach club, and you'll go to the World Cup matches, and then you'll just, like, party. And anyway, they were showing the actual accommodations, and it was just terrible. It just looked so uncomfortable. and it was like a million degrees and there's no like ventilation and like the ac if there is any doesn't work in these they're like basically these like tyvek plastic tents that are just like a heat sink so they're just like filling up with heat all day you can't even be inside them and like all of the the quote-unquote club with some like folding chairs in the sand it was like it was looked really like a nightmare and i just thought yeah i miss me with that that's not really for me

wasn't it um the fire festival that you had the photos of just like hey we served lunch and it was like a single piece of american cheese on a single piece of white bread or something yes

yeah wow exactly um speaking of twitter um if i don't know if that was if i saw that on twitter or not but i'm gonna tell you andrew uh i really am now now that i'm off of twitter i'm surprised it's like whatever this is the third morning that i've woken up without twitter i missed it significantly less today than i did morning one and i know that sounds like i'm being kind of i'm making this almost sound like it's a alcoholism or something but it's really the case that i was very like what am i going to look at now that i don't have twitter am i missing something what's going to happen when i have a funny thought and i can't express it And that feeling was at about a nine, and it's at about a four now. Like, it's weird. I probably feel about Twitter now the way you've always felt about it. Like, okay, it's there. I'll pop on sometimes, but I could go a day without doing it. It's not the default thing that I stare at when I'm standing in line at the grocery store or whatever. And I'm actually a little surprised at how quickly it's kind of receding from the front of my brain.

In your down moments, though, I don't mean emotionally down. I mean, just like, no, that's just kind of a resting condition. Yeah. I mean, like, if you're in, I don't know that you've had this experience in the past 36 hours or whatever it's been. But when you are, well, sure, you were on a flight, right? You've already had, well, you would usually probably have Wi-Fi, right? And probably, like, mindlessly scroll through Twitter, certainly while you're at the gate. Anytime, like, that kind of downtime, what do you find yourself doing now?

well i was working uh on this uh story about twitter and i was i may be looking at tiktok a little bit on the flight because i did have wi-fi um and i still can't it's weird i still can't get that interested in instagram part of it is i don't follow that many people so i just when i look at instagram i bait and please i hope you take this in the spirit it's intended but when i look at instagram i see amy sedaris's face i see a cartoon of you i maybe see genevieve if she's been up to something i see elena passarello it's like i see the same like five people at the top of my thing and i've and i'm mostly caught up so it's just kind of like it's there's because i don't have a wide enough range of things i'm looking at it's not refreshing enough you know what i mean in other words there's not enough new content that i'm looking at on Instagram to where I want to go back to it whereas Twitter one of the things that I found appealing was literally if I waited 10 seconds there was a hundred new tweets there was new stuff happening all the time and I guess this is probably owes more to me not having my Instagram set up correctly but it just feels extremely stagnant to me it's like unless you put up some story I just don't even nothing's changing on my Instagram feed yeah I mean I listen I'm not

here to talk anybody into using Instagram we're not using Instagram but I mean that's just the very nature of it's not something you use much so therefore you don't you don't it's not the snowball rolling downhill where you keep on collecting things that you're like oh i'll follow this i'll follow that i mean it's the same for twitter i know i've said this a million times but it was probably what five years ago or something i just remember it was new year's day i was on vacation somewhere and i just woke up and looked at my twitter feed and i was like i'm sick of this i'm sick of all the same people complaining about the same things in politics like I'm just going to scrub my Twitter timeline so that I was down to like 99 or 100 people that I follow, I think. But then five years pass. Now, OK, let's do that because I know I got it down to 100. Right. I'm talking about Twitter now. But then you're just like, OK, I want a more manageable feed. That was a little project I worked on. I don't want to follow everybody in the world. But then just by the very nature of using the app, I am now following 470 people, which is actually probably pretty conservative based on what a lot of people follow. But um you know that's almost four times five times what uh what i wanted to be doing and so that's what i mean like the longer if you were on instagram more you would just see more people sharing stuff and then you'd be like i'll follow this person and you know like again i'm not trying to say you should do that it's just i think the nature of not being on it much totally yeah if i

interacted with it more and i followed more people and then more things would be happening which would i mean that's what engagement's all about really i came up with this analogy yesterday i was doing what we call a walk-in talk uh with this guy named alex stamos he used to be the head of security for facebook and he's we were interviewing him for this twitter piece because he's knows a lot about like basically like what keeps these kinds of social networks secure and what you need the teams to be able to do all people by the way that have been fired by elon musk but we were chatting on this walk that they're filming and i was saying i was asking him i was like what's your deal with twitter he's like yeah i'm on twitter a lot because it's where a lot of the people that work in the industry i'm in are at it's we can talk to each other you can talk to a nobel laureate potentially directly he goes instagram is fine but i just don't check it that much and i said i think instagram is like pot and twitter is like alcohol and i think your brain is just into one or the other i wish and much like pot and alcohol and this has been a recurring conversation i know i wish my brain like instagram more because i do think it's a it grows in the ground man it's just like mellow it's a more mellow place it's just mostly about beauty i wish that was where my brain wanted to go but my brain wants to go get a shot of twitter most of the time you know um i do i just i don't know a lot of people who use twitter and instagram equally it seems like you're kind of interested in one vibe or the other i think i would belie that argument but but you don't use twitter that much i mean you post the show sometimes and you might tweet but by your description it sounds like you're like twitter's like it sounds like your relationship with twitter is like my relationship with instagram right or am i am i underestimating how much time you actually spend on twitter i'm on i don't tweet

much but i also don't really post on instagram much if you actually looked at my grid like when is the last time i actually posted a photo to instagram like every now and then i'll throw something up in a story if i'm just like kind of but that's a very you know that's a very it just kind of disappears after a while but i would say i probably i i feel like i use them almost exactly the same amount like because i look at some maybe my theory is uh is is not accurate and i i also don't know if we're measuring based on how much we're creating content or or taking in content because i take in content on both kind of constantly throughout the day um and i i post content on both very very sporadically like i'm just not putting that much stuff out there yeah

Maybe I'm thinking of people who post, maybe you're either a power Twitter poster or a power Instagram poster, or I guess neither in your case, like you're kind of sparing with both of them.

Let's see, I posted something to Twitter on October 23rd. That was the last photo that I posted, so that's been almost exactly a month, yeah. When was the last photo that I posted to Instagram? On Instagram, I meant, yeah. Yeah, the last time, was it the guy with the parrot on his shoulder, on the boat?

The guy with a Maine coonhound cat on his shoulder?

Oh, that's what it was, right.

I believe I have that one, and I believe I have a picture of me and my brother sitting on top of Oysterdome. I think that might be it. I mean, maybe I should just start posting more pictures on Instagram and see if it kind of starts to click for me a little bit.

I mean, if you want to, but it sort of sounds like you're not feeling like you need to fill that hole.

Well, what I'm realizing is I can have a thought, and my brain can try to convert it into a tweet, which, again, still is happening a lot. Just like I'll have it And my brain will Something will happen and my brain will think Huh, that's funny that that's the way that thing goes And then it immediately wants to go I wonder if other people have It's almost just like a, you know, what's the deal with airlines It's like an observational stand-up comedy joke What is the deal with airlines? Have we figured that out? I mean, why don't they make the entire airplane out of the black box? But like I Yeah, so I find my brain Observing something and then trying to convert it into a joke that i can put on twitter so that people can say they like it so that i can feel better but it's that's happening a little less and also what i'm realizing is i can have that thought it doesn't have to be shared with the world i can just have the thought and have it and then there's nowhere for me to tweet it right now so then it just like goes through my brain and just goes to where it evaporates into the ether and it was never tweeted about and the world is not a worse place like nothing changes in the world based on me not putting my thoughts out there constantly and then waiting around to see if i get the love that i'm hoping for you know it's it does feel like a bit of a cycle is being broken right now and um although i did here's the thing i talked to this guy yesterday i was talking about alex stamos and he was saying excuse me stamos his name is spelled like the guy from full house but it's not pronounced the same and i was trying to make a real point of that yesterday so he felt like i was like taking it seriously and not just mangling his name but um he was saying his opinion is that probably elon musk won't own twitter in a year he thinks that he'll kind of get bored with it and or either the the actual payments will because you know they owe he owes a billion dollars a year in interest right now just on the debt that he has with twitter and twitter has never twitter's never made a billion dollars in a year like it's never generated a billion dollars And so it would be remarkable if with all the advertisers leaving, somehow the company actually is a billion dollars in the black to pay off that debt. And if he doesn't have the money from Twitter, he has to go start pulling his Tesla stocks and using his own money to subsidize this other company. And that's also going to probably concern Tesla shareholders. So he was saying Elon Musk may not own it in a year. he might

just sell it off that makes a lot of sense yeah you know or something like you just find out that it's just not very fun to run this thing and it's not what he thought it was going to be um there's still some value there i mean certainly right now it looks like he way overpaid for it like the valuation is like eight billion dollars he paid 44 for it and then i thought well hmm i guess if elon musk doesn't own it in a year i would i i would i would reconsider i can't see a world in which he owns it and, like, Trump and Ye are back on it, that it's, like, a place I would want to hang out. But if he says adios and some other people come back in and own it and it seems to return a little more to the sort of way it was, I don't know. I guess I'm not ruling it out forever. But I think that would be what it would take for me to go back on that platform. Not that anyone cares.

Yeah, I mean, for me, it's just, like, so far, like, my user experience hasn't really changed. And so, you know, I know that. I mean, I guess I can't follow Jack White on it. There are a couple of like rockers who said that they're, you know, that made headlines yesterday saying that we're going to jump off the platform. You know, I didn't see it. Yeah. I sort of mocked that. Actually, I guess I said that in a sort of a mocking way, but that's not exactly fair because when I read it, I was like, good for you. I I want the worst for Elon Musk. And so every headline that says we're leaving this place and then more advertisers will flee and whatever, like I'm actually I'm glad people with big megaphones are saying, hey, listen, we don't want to put up with this bullshit. good for you but like so far like i say so far like my timeline has not become a toxic place except for when everybody was retweeting elon musk's hey take this poll should i let trump back on and everybody was retweeting it out of anger i was just like you guys come on stop i railed on that yesterday like that was the only moment where i was like this is turning bad um but then it just went back to people talking about you know how you know whatever whatever happened at the world cup and how argentine did you hear about that by the way just back to the world cup for a second you know i don't follow this stuff but i did know that argentina is one of the premier teams and did you hear about the huge upset this morning or is that no to twitter too yeah no they lost to saudi arabia like i guess it's like one of i don't know much i don't know anything about this world but i was just seeing headlines like it's just like the biggest upset you could ever possibly

imagine that's messi's team right lionel messi i mean he's considered i don't know if he's still the world's best player but he's a he's i had seen a headline that said this is messi's last world cup and it might be his best chance to actually win which i took to mean argentina

must have a really good team yeah and they and they uh i believe will maybe lost two nil or two

one or something but anyway um uh what was i wow i'm looking at that now that what did the what was the score two to one two one yeah so wow that's yeah that's that's uh that's huge i'm your twitter now oh yeah that's how it'll work so this is the thing andrew can i call you at all hours of the day well just no we just need to keep the line open at all times and i'll just say something to you and then if you don't laugh i'll just delete it but if you do laugh then i'll just wait around

to see if other people laugh at it and then if i chortle then it'll be up there for some time but um okay um yeah so anyway uh yeah i'm just for me i'm just gonna keep on you know keeping on and And if it gets to be a really ugly place and I hate being on there, obviously, I'll just stop using it. But so far, I haven't really noticed a big difference in the user experience.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man, it's not from a female.

How's the user experience with looking through the emails and V-mails today on this Tuesday?

Pretty damn good. I have an email that I wanted to – I read this a couple of days ago. I've been dying to share this with you. This is from listener and weighing in on our Space Force conversation, because this is one of those things where I talk about the Space Force. You know, I think I said this on the show that leaves a bad, you know, Space Force. It seemed like a joke because it was started under Trump. It seems like something so mockable. But really, I don't know anything about it. And now, you know, views and I were just watching a commercial yesterday for, I think, what is the Navy Credit Union? what's the official name of it whatever the navy credit union and you know it says we service all branches of the military or members of branches of the military including vets space force air force whatever and they go through them all it's like yeah i guess it's just it's legit now but it still seems so so weird to me but ann gave me a great perspective on this ann says i'm not trying to stop anyone from having fun joking around about space force please continue to have fun but if also if you want to know some facts about the space force i got you covered it might help You decide how to feel the military Has been working in space for Decades of course we knew that I mean even with them did we Mention this the other day with Reagan Star Wars System no anyway I don't think that came Up but anyway the military has been working In space

for decades. It's mostly satellites and spying and missile stuff, as you would imagine. Sometimes it's also secret space planes, which we were talking about. This work used to be done by the Air Force, but also a few other organizations distributed around the Department of Defense. The military proposed consolidating these functions for better management since it was becoming a bigger deal. Space Force was not Trump's idea. He just liked the idea of elevating these components to a new branch of the military so he could say he created a new branch of the military the reason it became law is that there was a lot of support for it in congress too the rollout of the new language to describe the space force and the logos and stuff has been pretty cringy this is typical of the department of defense and the government in general it has made the whole thing seem not real my friend's sister was the spokesperson for the space force at the pentagon how about that uh and she was constantly answering humiliating questions but it absolutely is real a lot of the people who work at um vandenberg air force base in california oh i see a lot of the people in space force are at vandenberg air force base in california and she also says the steve carell show was funnier than people gave it credit for it was trying to do too much with the character but the jokes were 100 percent

um so that's kind of interesting i mean i think i said i don't i'm i'm not trying to shadowbox with ann's email but i do think i feel like i remember saying you know the space is kind of is a big deal particularly we're talking about the closer part of space like where all the satellites are and the fact that you could i think potentially weaponize it like you could you could have things in space that could then actually like maybe shoot things down towards earth or you could shoot out other people's satellites which would throw entire you know nations offline so i do think i do think that it's probably good that we have a dedicated branch of the military toward looking towards this extremely important thing um of course like i think ann said and you agree andrew it's just the fact that donald trump was the one rolling it out for obvious trying to you know i don't know whatever just the optics of it that was the part that made my eyes roll hard but actually i think i'm kind of pro space force person yeah no i mean it definitely makes sense

and it was like it rolled out during a time and during an administration where you didn't know what to believe or and also everything was just about his ego and everything was just so mockable. But no, I'm with you as well. And that's just like kind of probably my inherent bias of not knowing much about it, knowing it was a Trump thing. Like if this had come out under Obama or Clinton or potentially even Biden, you know, how differently would I have felt about it? But anyway, I did appreciate that. I thought it put it in some perspective for me. So let's just wrap

things up here with a completely off topic observation by me okay so i was looked at world cup game up because i was curious and so then there was just like on a sports thing and so then i was just scrolling while you were talking kind of not even really looking at the screen and i realized something kind of funny so last night i was filming in um kind of in between san francisco and san jose uh in a town called redwood city california and then i was going directly from there to the airport in san jose and my very nice lift driver when i was going from the hotel to the chute said make sure you have your driver take when you're going from the chute to the airport don't have them take the 280 south because there's a niners game tonight monday night football it's going to be crazy so have them take um or don't have them take the 101 have them take 280 south or whatever i was like okay note to self and then i get in the car later and we're going towards the airport and i'm like oh dang i forgot to tell him what to do and i'm looking at the lift app and i'm like why is it having him take the 101 this is bullshit but then we're just cruising along and i'm like huh why are we not seeing any traffic for the niners game and then i just look down and it says it's a picture of the niners playing the cardinals in mexico city oh right

right right it was mexico city right yeah so that's why there wasn't any traffic the game i was

worried about the traffic to was in Mexico City yeah the driver had Santa Santa Clara had just

heard can I so since it's so late in the show I just want to tell you this which I don't even know how much you care and I know the listeners don't care at all but you know I've played fantasy football now for I don't know probably more than five years I think I started playing with when a 10 invited me into a into a TBTL league a while back and I never knew what I was doing and then I've played fantasy baseball the past couple of years and just gotten pretty much destroyed But I think maybe because fantasy baseball was so difficult, maybe fantasy football, the draft was a little less intimidating to me this year, or I just lucked out. I don't know. But I had been basically the top of the pops in my league. I'm in a 10-person league, right?

You wouldn't stop talking about it.

I know. And I have been – I actually want to get to the rankings here. Going into this week, I was 8-2, and there was pretty decent division.

Between me and everyone else Except for one other player And I have no idea who this person is But their name is HawkNestMonster And I think they might have won That's what Genevieve says, she likes it too But this person has been Just below me For the past several weeks Basically we had the same record of 8-2 But then it goes to how many actual Points you've accumulated over the course of the season And like I was up by like I think 15 points And then after the last week, it was like I was only had like a 12 point lead. I mean, that is a matter of like a, you know, a couple of receptions. You were like tight end.

You were like Katie Hobbs trying to hold on against Carrie Lake in Arizona. Every time a new batch of votes came in, you're like, OK, is it from Maricopa County? What's going on?

So then this past week, Luke, it finally happened. I had to face Hawk Nest Monster. I think we faced each other early in the league when there was a lot more separation all around and nobody knew how things were going to shape up. But now we're pretty far in. You know, we're well past the halfway mark or a couple of weeks past the halfway mark. And now it was like, as I was describing it, the Battle of the Titans, me being one of the Titans in my own head. And, Luke, this fantasy match could not have been closer, and it essentially came down to Sunday night football, because I have Patrick Mahomes, and I also have Austin Eckler, who was also playing in that game for the Chargers, right, a running back. That should be a cool hundred points for you, just between those two. Should be pretty good if my opponent didn't have Travis Kelsey. and so my opponent was winning almost all day but then some things happened he had um who's that wide receiver for the vikings who's really good justin jefferson i want to say yeah and he he maybe got injured or just got i mean whatever the vikings got blown out of that game and so he didn't have many points and suddenly the app was telling me hey you could win this you could win this you could win this and i'm watching my homes have kind of a rough game they go to the running game which you don't usually see kansas city doing um and it's a weird position where i'm not really rooting for kansas city to win i don't give a shit i just want to see mahomes complete a bunch of passes especially but not to travis kelsey he threw three touchdown passes every single one of them went to travis kelsey so every time i would get some points for a touchdown from my quarterback my opponent got more points for a reception and a touchdown with travis kelsey we ended the game on sunday with me being ahead by i believe four and a half points and on monday night football my opponent had a running back i don't remember who it is i'm going to look it up now and so it all hang it all hung on last night like if there was any chance that his running back who is very good i'm looking and you didn't have anyone in that game no so you had to just hope that that

running back got like less than 50 yards which is like yeah just not going to happen as james

Connor of the Arizona Cardinals who I'm not really familiar with I'll be honest with you but apparently a good running back because got 13 points and blew and ended up so now I am in second place and I and I and my opponent only has like like literally in the league my opponent has like a four-point lead on me or something so we're still in it but my yeah it sounds like you'll clash again in the finals probably in the playoffs and I will probably lose but yeah like yes no literally i am i am in second place by four points and a lesser record because he's nine and two or they're nine and two i don't know who hawkness monster is and i'm eight and three but anyway

that's one of the story that's one of the beautiful things about and by beautiful i mean annoying things about fantasy football is you'll find yourself in a position where you need somebody to do something but not to the person that they mostly do it to right exactly you're like god please let him just for some reason decide to throw like you know throw like a screen pass to you know somebody else like but a pass it needs to be a pass like just dink a pass to what's his the Clyde Edward Halar and like have him just go off for 60 yards and a touchdown like we need a weird thing to happen where Mahomes is throwing touchdowns but not to the main dude he throws

touchdowns exactly to to his tight end who I mean that relationship between quarterback and tight end seems pretty and i wouldn't say particularly those two yeah exactly those two very specifically like gronk and um and brady but anyway so that was my little story and honestly i think it's because like usually when i play these fantasy sports i really have just been learning about it over time i don't know what i'm really doing most of the time this time i know just enough to be dangerous and it reminded me i'm like oh this is what people like you and the folks i listen to on the levitard show feel when they're actually placing bets like i guess you know oh yeah you know just like okay well i bet on this i'm They're trying to cover the spread and this, and I need this person, you know what I mean?

And I'm just like, I'm watching this Sunday night game. I'm like, yes, I want you to win. But no, don't throw to kill. No, no, not that. God damn it. And I'm just like, I don't even know if I like it. That's the thing. Like, this was as, I guess, entertaining as a fantasy football match could be. But like, is that a good feeling? It doesn't feel great on Tuesday. I'll tell you that much.

Yeah, I think that for me was why I liked fantasy football. and it's why I like betting on sports because it can take a game that I would generally have no interest in and suddenly give me a very very very strong interest but that's sort of like hey maybe how about some of my life isn't obsessing over a football game that's why like not being in fantasy is good for me but then I just replaced it with real money yeah right exactly except me hence me being evicted alright let's go ahead and

wrap her up what are you doing by the way are you doing just month to month that's your plan now We never, I don't know if we established that

I guess I am I'm mad about it I'm mad at you Because I'm mad about it because Basically I don't like them raising my rent Nobody does, but I also know that if I was new To this building, as I was a year ago They would be charging me Drastically less, they'd be incentivizing To get me in here, and they would be subsidizing You know, they do this proration Where it's like, you know, three months Free, which really means they just reduce your rent by like one week per month over the course of the 12 months or however the math works out but once they have you here they know that there is a sort of um the law of of kind of inertia yeah it's a pain in the ass that you just don't want to move and they they know this obviously they calculate for this and it bothers me that i am in the midst of that calculation because what i really want to do is just move to a different place and then get a screaming deal and be like shows you but i don't want to move twice i don't want to move out of this place and then eventually move to the other house or at least put a significant amount of my stuff up in that other adu so i guess i'm just going to pay a premium price to just stay here and not deal with it until it's time you know what i mean like it's like it but that i don't like making that calculation um i feel like i feel like i'm not getting a good deal here all of a sudden i went from this place being a pretty good deal which is why i moved here to now it's not a good deal anymore but laziness and also just yeah laziness i guess is the answer because also by the way if i move the amount that it costs me to move offsets probably what i'm paying in extra fees for the

next three months or four months which is also part of their there i believe calculation yeah

yeah exactly because if i now like if i were to move to another apartment in portland And, yeah, I'm going to drop an amount of money because I'm hiring movers next time. I did it with my little brother last time here, and it almost killed me. And I was like, how am I a person who regularly wastes as much money as I do on things, and yet I wouldn't hire movers? So if I hire movers to move somewhere else, I will eliminate whatever the savings are of moving. So I guess I'm just going to stay here for the time being.

Especially if you really do think it's months, just a matter of between three and six months until you can move into the other place.

then you know i mean really i need to sit down and go through it and i haven't because i've just been so uh you know on the road and distracted and and and things have been pretty hectic i need to sit down and do some calculating because i don't know maybe the six month thing isn't crazy and maybe like maybe i just signed for six months i don't know i i have to kind of i have to kind of figure it out so all right um all right well on that note let's wrap things up for today but good news folks we'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you so please do join us for that until then have a great tuesday take care of yourselves we'll see you tomorrow and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all I know more about football than you do. Oh, really? When was the first Super Bowl? 1967. What does a running back do? He gets paid. To do what? I already answered your question. Power out.