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Coming to you today from the Arch City. That's right. Just off the banks of the Scioto River here in Columbus, Ohio. the 15th largest city in america which was news to me until i looked it up on wikipedia five minutes ago uh we are at the 3831st episode of this program let the fun begin if you can believe it and uh when i landed at the airport in columbus last night an announcement came over the loud speaker informing me and the other folks there at about midnight that all of the music you hear in the columbus ohio airport is generated by musical acts from the state of ohio very expensive freshwater clams from the cuyahoga river and so i was thinking it might be interesting to quiz my good friend andrew walsh one time i mean i would say native son of the great state of ohio How much he knows about music from the state of Ohio. So we're going to do a little Name That Ohio tune. Also, if we have time, we'll talk about Big Hats. I thought that I was in a fever dream. I mean, I've been kind of under the weather recently and on and off various medications. some of it possibly whiskey I thought I was hallucinating when I saw somebody wearing one of these gigunda hats in a sports environment not like while playing a game but just for fun it seems like it's turning into something and I want to figure out how you can avoid it or embrace it I don't know live your life we're not here to yuck yums we're here to have a nice time and somebody who's going to help us with that is this guy the longest running co-bro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Louie, what is that? I'm like, I don't know. What is it? It's an Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning.

I have an update for you here right at the top of the show. I don't know what's going on with those jokers over at Wikipedia, but I'm on two different websites here that are listing the top, I guess I should say, the biggest cities in the United States based on population, and I got Columbus on a couple of these sites coming in At a strong number 14, Luke Burbank, progress has been made. Progress is being made. And we will not stop. We will not stop until Columbus is number one on this list. Yes. No, they call it the Columbus miracle. Yeah.

As of yesterday.

The miracle on Columbus is what they call it.

The 15th largest city in America yesterday. Today, and by the way, the first day we've ever broadcast TVTL live from Columbus, Andrew. Uh-huh. It.

Coincidence?

Moves to the 14th largest city in America, that can't be a coincidence.

It absolutely cannot be. And this is our lifelong, this is our journey now, Luke. This is our lifelong mission to make, for some reason, I don't know why exactly, but just mark down this date. Actually, this, I guess, is a day that will live in infamy because this is the day that you and I, no disrespect.

to Pearl Harbor Day, but this is also the day that you and I decided to boost Columbus to be the largest city in America. I mean, it's going to take work. I mean, New York, New York, you've been sitting on top of this list for quite some time. Yeah, but they're getting soft. Look over your shoulder.

Hello. I mean, honestly, if you're number one for too long, there's a tendency to relax. Yep. There's a tendency to stop having the largest population in America. Exactly. And we've got New York City right where we want them, Columbus. Other things I learned about Columbus in the Lyft ride back to the hotel while scanning my phone. Columbus named for Christopher Columbus, although there is no indication as to why the hell they did that. No connection to Ohio. The guy didn't even know what continent he was on. I don't know why we're giving him credit somewhere here in Ohio, but we are. It's also the largest city named for Columbus.

Oh, that kind of is interesting. That's a real thing. Yeah. See, look. Again, yesterday it was the second biggest city named after Columbus. Yes. I don't know if you want to win. I don't know. Are we going in the right direction as a city? Stepping back. Stepping back. TBTL is in no way affiliated with Columbus or the Santa Maria.

I do really like, I'm liking what I've seen of Columbus so far. I was here one other time and it was Andrew, who was almost 20 years ago, which is just causes my mind to reel. It was during the 2004. So it was it was technically 18 years ago, but 2004 presidential election. I was here for like a day doing some stuff for the election coverage for NPR because Ohio always is an important state. And then I haven't been back for almost 20 years, and I'm getting to take a more thorough look at the town today and tomorrow, and I'm actually really enjoying it. I got a little jog in on the Scioto River, and there's some really cool architecture. There's some cool old classic stuff, a very beautiful river. It was a nice morning here. I was on the campus of the Ohio State University already today, getting to check that whole place out. My God, Andrew, college students are young. Indeed they are. Like when you're in college, you feel mature. You feel I'm speaking from my experience. When I was in college, it was finally happening for me. I lived on my own. I was in charge of, you know, what I ate and where I went and if I did my homework or not. It's that feeling of becoming kind of an adult for the first time. And I just remember thinking, like, I've made it. And I was just on the campus of The Ohio State University just seeing people who are 10 years younger than my daughter studying for finals. I mean, it is shocking what it is to be 17 and also what it is to be 46 because I'm just very old now.

Well, 17 would still be high school, right? Like 18, 19?

I guess, unless you were maybe one of those, you did running start or you, yeah, you're right. I picked a weird number. 18 is probably more typical.

We don't have to get hung up on that. But you're right. They're letting babies go to college now. Genevieve works on a college campus, as you know, and so I'll pick her up from work sometimes. And it's ridiculous. Like, just babies are going to college. And I don't know what happened. Like, I don't know if you know this about me, Luke, but I consider myself. From the people who brought you Boss Baby, it's baby poli-sci major. I'm still a recent college graduate myself. Did I ever tell you about that? Literally, there was a moment in my life where I looked around. I think I was still working at New Hampshire Public Radio. And for some reason, I don't know if I was working on a story or a segment or something. I don't know why, but I sort of looked around at the younger generation of producers who were coming up in the radio station I worked at. And, you know, like that used to be me. I was at that station for, I think, 10 years. And I went from being literally the youngest person and certainly the greenest person at that station to somebody who was, you know, well, I guess I left there when I was like 30, I think, or 31 or 32 or something. And so, like, and I saw these young people around me. And at some point, I remember thinking, recent college graduate. That's how I've just sort of thought of myself for maybe a decade. I need to recalibrate that whole thing.

I thought you were going to say a recent college graduate because you had failed to get your final credit on something and only recently checked in with Kent State University to find that you needed, like, one more credit of, like, Spanish or something, and then you did it, maybe correspondence course, and now you are, in fact, a full Bachelor of Arts and Golden Flash. I'm very eligible.

bachelor of art uh for the record um but we're all talking about it that's how you game the system right there okay i am interested in this um in this columbus so i guess it's not columbus music it's just ohio artists uh that you were hearing in ohio music airport okay i um i've actually

noticed this i mean they do this in um at seatak in seattle too there's been some movement within the airport industry and i think it's a good movement to really localize a lot of the stuff you'll see um you know when possible you'll see a lot of like local restaurants maybe with their kind of version of you know you go to o'hare and you'll see a frontera grill which is rick bayless's place in chicago you'll see the o'hare version that happens at seatac um it's kind of a nice thing and it definitely there's something in the industry where folks said we want to try to reflect this may be the only part of this city that somebody sees if they just have like a two hour layover so let's just try to let's try to give them let's try to put our best foot forward and one of the things that they announced uh when i was waiting for my uh bag was uh that at the columbus airport all the music is from ohio artists and so i thought oh well this will be interesting and i sort of semi-jokingly texted you and the stew bot and i said looking forward to hearing some michael stanley um because that's kind of the main and the pretenders those would be the two main ohio artists that i could sort of think of and only because the pretenders have a

song about it which is honestly funny that michael stanley like you wouldn't even know michael stanley because he's not anywhere near the biggest musical artist to come out of ohio he's just he was a cleveland guy and i talk about him because he was kind of he sort of loomed large in cleveland But, like, he is, I mean, I don't want to be a jerk, but, I mean, was he ever a national act? I mean, he must have gone on national tours, right? But, like, did people, did he ever headline a national tour? Did people in, let's say, I don't know, like, what would be, like, Phoenix, Arizona, did they come out to the amphitheater or arena to see Michael Stanley? I don't think so.

I don't know how he charted in Phoenix, Arizona, to be honest with you, but you're right. I would not know that that artist existed except for these conversations we've had on the show. But I feel I feel richer for it as a person. And if it comes up while I'm here and again, I know we're just saying it's more of a Cleveland than a Columbus thing. Can you imagine me walking up to a student on the campus of The Ohio State University going, are you all jamming out to that latest Michael Stanley tune? They're like, what? And I'm like, famous Ohio artist. Like, please leave, sir. So here's what I did while I was waiting for my luggage, which actually kind of took longer than usual. You know how everything is with staffing these days. I think it's sometimes hard to have enough folks to get the bags off the airplane and on that conveyor belt. And what I will say is that seems like a truly thankless job. So, honestly, however long it takes, the three people that are doing it, I tip my cap to you, and I just want to say we appreciate you. That does not seem like a very fun job. Thank you for doing it. Thank you for your service, and you can board the airplane first next time as far as I'm concerned. But while I was waiting kind of a longer than normal time for my bags, I was shazamming every song that came on. And I'm not going to tell you I didn't look silly because I was I was the guy in far too warm of a winter coat. That's the other thing. It was like 68 degrees here yesterday. Like I was I was sweating in the lobby of the Sheraton because I I thought Ohio December that's going to be cold and then I'm going to New York after this. I was like, and in fact, it was balmy. So I'm sitting there sweating in a winter coat, sitting with one of my bags, waiting for my other bag, just holding my cell phone above my head every two and a half minutes trying to document these songs. Now, I've compiled them into a Spotify playlist, and I have them here. Now, some of them are very easy. There's six total. That was how it took me six songs worth of time to get my luggage after the point at which I started this project, Andrew. So just, you know, should we do this? Should we actually take a quick break?

Yeah, because I wanted to say here, let's take a break and come back and do this. But I wanted to just mention one thing before you even mentioned making this a quiz about what the actual songs you heard last night. You had texted me and Stu, as you mentioned, hey, they're only playing Ohio artists. And so that got me thinking, how many Ohio musical acts or artists can I even name off the top of my head? And I actually did my best not to think about it too much last night. I wanted to kind of keep it real, and I definitely didn't do any Googling or anything. But just now, Luke, since you started talking on this topic, I took a pen, literally a pen. That's what it sounds like. God, I'm jealous.

I'd kill for a pen. and I started writing down every musical artist I get thinking of from Ohio, and I came up with exactly six so far. Now, I know that that's going to make the listeners angry, the listeners from Ohio, because I know that I'm missing probably huge names, but it would be interesting if the six songs that you picked are actually the six that were top of mind for me when I thought, what are Ohio acts, musically speaking? There is absolutely no chance. No, I don't think so either. Actually, you know what? I didn't even put Michael Stanley on this here. Michael Stanley is number seven

I'm going to just I'm going to I'm going to give you a freebie There's no Michael Stanley On this list Okay There was zero Michael Stanley That played during the six songs That I was waiting in the Columbus Air There's no Michael Stanley And in fact

I wouldn't know that either I would just hear butt rock And assume it's him

Well This Much to discuss When we come back from the break But yeah I want to start by saying How many of these bands Maybe during the break You'll You know Be inspired Or you'll have a Light bulb moment You'll think of some other Ohio bands There's a couple on here Basically When we get back you'll learn this for yourself But this is mostly bands that I was very unaware Of their existence and then a couple of bands That I was like oh really from Ohio That's kind of the breakdown Of these six songs

I think I'll get the oh really from Ohio ones But then the other ones I'm guessing they're also probably trying to spotlight Some new artists and stuff that we haven't heard before Maybe some local I don't think so There's no local hip hop artists When I flew into Cleveland, they were advertising – I can't remember exactly what the advertisement was, but they were going really heavy on some local rapper who I had never heard of before but apparently was having a moment, and so Cleveland was really embracing it. It's around the same time as the NBA playoffs, which I think were held in Cleveland that year.

This feels more like these were – this is why this actually – this might work for you. These feel like alternative acts from the 90s, many of them. Okay. The sound of the music, the actual quality, the sonic quality of the songs seems like Cleveland's answer to what was going on, not even in the Nirvana era of Seattle, but in the Posey's era of Seattle. I don't know if that helps at all. It's possible that when you were working your way up to Hall of Fame status at the Kent State radio station, maybe some of these songs were playing. So you may know more about this than you think.

But anyway, well, that makes I would guess maybe then Sons of Elvis, except I've looked them up later and they are not on Spotify. So I don't think Sons of I'm not even going to put Sons of Elvis on my list. Well, why not? If they're from Ohio, that's because I don't think that anybody knows who Sons of Elvis is.

I think one I don't think that the standard you said, how many musical acts from Ohio can I name? Yeah, I guess you're right, because if you start naming your friends bands, yeah, your friends were in Sons of Elvis. But, I mean, you could probably just name five bands that were, like, a few of your friends who played music together, right?

Right. I'm not going to mention any of my friends' bands. Sorry, I lost. I did look up Sons of Elvis here. I guess they did have a hit single. Okay. A lot to do when we get back, because I'm going to play this song for you. Much to do. Much to learn. Sons of Elvis song, yeah.

So, everybody, please stay with us here on TVTL. Back in a moment. All right, let's thank some of our daily donors who are giving us this day our daily bread, which is what I call money because I'm very cool and Christ-like. So, two for two on that one. Thank you to Anne Pequeno.

Maybe Pequeno. I feel like we do this every year, but maybe just Pekano. We do?

I don't know. I'm just taking a little Pekano at Anne's last name, and I'm wondering. Thank you, Anne. And, yes, I feel like we've had – Anne's probably even emailed in. I'm sure. And explained a handy, simple way to say her last name, and I've probably forgotten that handy way. But, Anne, we thank you very genuinely for all your support, despite me not being great at saying your last name. I'm great at appreciating you, and I'm doing it right now out there in Washington. Well, Andrew, this is interesting. How about a thanks to April Ray, who's in the 14th largest city in America on its way to number one. That's right. April is right here in Columbus, Ohio today.

I like to think that April is the person who took the city from 15 to 14 when she moved to Columbus.

That would have meant donating from somewhere else but listing Columbus because April was that confident that she'd be moving here this morning, thus getting Columbus over the hump. from 15th to 14th.

Now, I could tell you that these numbers are based on the 2020 census, but I feel like that would really ruin the spoof, so let's just keep

moving. No, let's keep the spoof. I take this as a serious challenge to try to grow Columbus to the number one city in America. Wait, is this a spoof or a goof?

I've been treating it like a spoof, and you've been goofing. Was he spoofing or was he goofing?

What did he say? Thank you, April. And hi, by the way. Maybe I'll say, you remember the rules, April. If you see me out at, I don't even know, I can't even name drop a restaurant or bar here in Columbus, but you see me out in Columbus, you have to identify yourself. So I can say thank you for supporting the show, April. Thanks also to Ryan Johnson in Arlington, Washington. Thank you, Ryan. That's where Ryan is. Thank you. Also, thanks to, I'm sorry for getting emotional. This is yet another remote show, Andrew, where I have failed to bring a cough button with me. And that's for new listeners, not just like a new fancy name for some kind of Hall's lozenge. That's the device that helps me mute my microphone when I want to clear my throat. I lost it somewhere on the road, and I haven't bought another one yet. So anyway, sorry for that. Thanks, Ryan. Also, thanks to Amanda Speer in Buffalo, New York.

Interesting

Who's from Buffalo Michael F. Stanley That would be interesting Maybe just move to Cleveland as a young kid Maybe mom started dating somebody Who was from Cleveland And they moved back Or moved to there when he was 10 or 11 No, one of your favorite actors Rob Gronkowski

He's one of my favorite A-list actors Yes Rob Gronkowski

i wish i had one of those yeah i do love i don't think he's i don't think he's actually i don't know if he's from like buffalo proper but he's um which by the way does sound like a good crosby stills and nash cover band buffalo proper yeah tonight at the twilight it's buffalo buffalo proper they do a kind of a combo of a lot of music from that era um no i don't know if he's from i think maybe he's like west orange or something i know he's from the general buffalo area when i

thing of Buffalo I think of that funny um video that Marshawn Lynch made way back in what year would that have been when was when did he get um kind of traded or acquired by the Seahawks uh that's when we all saw this video from Buffalo but when he first arrived in Buffalo I think um so this is you know well precedes his time here in Seattle somebody I think had asked him about you know coming to Buffalo as an outsider and he felt like there was he said something like there's not a lot to do here or something and so um people kind of ridiculed him locally and then they ended some entity made a really fun video of marsh of going around buffalo and showing marshawn lynch all the hot spots uh do you remember that video it was very charming you don't remember

that video i'll bet it was that was he wasn't he wasn't really on my radar you know much until he became a seahawk um but there is i mean i'll say i was watching a college football game this year uh i think it was uw cal actually and it was like marshawn lintz went to cal so he was being honored and he just he just he just elevated the entertainment value of the game so much he was like driving this golf cart around and like almost hitting people which i guess was a reenactment of something he did when he played at cal like he had a really good game and then he just like jumped on like the injury golf cart and started tearing ass around the field in it or something So this was him, like, 15 years later reenacting it. And, like, they kept interviewing him and just kept being funny. Like, he's, you know, he brings a lot to the table there, does the Marshawn Lynch, as has been well documented. What favorite actors do you have from Portage, Michigan?

Portage, Michigan. Let's see here. I think my favorite actor, Tom Brady, once passed through there.

He probably did. He played for the University of Michigan. Oh, he did? there you go yeah he did he was tom brady famously was uh was rode the bench for most of his time at michigan and then finally i think maybe like his senior year he got to play and he was you know he was an undervalued guy coming out of college and i just wish that he would finally get some attention and yeah that's what i wish oh by the way jessica shard is in portage michigan thank home of a place that uh tom brady once passed through boy i'll tell you what that sunday night game just just the probably or no the monday night game i should say just one of the worst things one of the worst things that can happen to america and i say this with absolute love to our friends in tampa i'm glad your team won but tom brady leading an unlikely comeback for the sports fans of america is just it's a bummer because it's like the city decided to run a bunch of water through all the pipes and all the fire hydrants just explode with water except that water is people talking about tom brady like i

had heard that it was a great comeback in the last couple of minutes of the game or something but i

literally don't know who the opponent was the opponent was the equally terrible new orleans saints the the the bucks went from uh i think almost falling to five and eight to climbing to six and seven and I think that the I think that the Saints are like three and whatever eight now or something three and seven like it was it was a clash of two teams that are very very mediocre and granted because that division that the the Bucs are in is so terrible I think the Bucs might

be leading the division I think they are now I had heard that yeah it really retroactively makes me I'm so disappointed in that in that loss the Seahawks loss to the Bucs like that is one And when the next week the Bucs lose to the Browns, who are also struggling, you're just like, the Seahawks really need that one back. I don't have a lot of games that haunt me, but that one really sucks for me. And I'm mad that it was in Germany.

How about we don't play in Germany? Yeah. I mean, honestly, I know that just probably sounds like I'm just making excuses, and I probably am. But it's like, I know you want to sell a couple more jerseys to another quadrant of planet Earth. But like flying, making these teams fly and particularly like, you know what, let's play the Rams in Germany. If you're going to have two teams fly to Germany, how about one of them doesn't get a five hour head start on the jet lag, if you ask me. But anyway, the thing that happened on Monday night was two very bad teams played each other. And then one of the very bad teams just kind of dragged their asses across the finish line. I know if you're a Bucks fan, you loved this. So I'm not trying to rain on your parade. But what it effectively did was it immediately overwhelmed the sports system with Tom Brady obsession. And it's like the sports system has been just like waiting. It's been it's been just like it's been bereft of Tom Brady content because Tom Brady's team has not been very great. So there'll be the occasional like Tom Brady off of his game because of his off the field, you know, life stuff because he's getting divorced or whatever. But it just wasn't – they weren't getting the good, the, like, Colombian gold Tom Brady content, which is still got it. Tom Brady, what a comeback. I mean, it was like – it was honestly like in a cartoon or like a movie where the earth is in black and white and then the sun comes out and everything blooms into color. That was everyone on ESPN because Tom Brady stopped shitting the bed for eight minutes. I don't have a lot of opinions on that game, Andrew But I did want to say thanks to Jessica in Portage, Michigan

It would be so awkward if our next donor came from Florida

Or was Tom Brady

Or was Tom Brady Or anybody who's a famous ESPN announcer

Yeah, that's right It's, in fact, Mario Alonzo Who's in Florida, Andrew, yes But he's in Miami And I'm going to tell you something I think what I was saying was water in the desert to Mario, because Mario is probably a Dolphins fan. And I have to say this. Whereas Todd Bowles and Tom Brady have one of the least entertaining coach and quarterback relationships, the kid, and he is a kid in Miami. Mike McDaniels. McDaniels and Tua Tayavolag, how do you say his name?

Tua Tagovailoa, I think. Tua Tagovailoa.

Yes, thank you. It's an Andrew W. Wednesday.

I listen to a lot of the Dan Levitard show, can you tell? It's out of Miami. Miami's kind of becoming my second team. I'm really falling for the McDaniels thing. I mean, listen, he's turning it on, but I'm eating it up. That's a mixed metaphor.

My friend, the main thing I watch on TikTok, by the way, thank you, Mario. thanks for getting us onto this topic because i've been meaning to talk to andrew about mike mcdaniel talking to tua on the sideline it's a whole genre of tiktok when they're mic'd up the conversations are incredible because they don't sound like football people it's just mike mcdaniel going uh like something like wow man you really nailed that one that was pretty awesome and then two going well good play call he goes yeah but i mean i can't go out there on the field and do it so that was pretty dope what you just did like they're just having these like bizarrely low-key conversations during the game like one time mike goes which which way do you want to go to this one you want to go to the left or to the right and two goes i want to go to the one that's more likely to score a touchdown and then he does he's like throws a touchdown at the next play and then they're talking about it afterwards it's like i would watch a show just starring these two people talking to each other mike mcdaniels looks like some

somebody who would be in a, like, kind of a hipster cover band in Minneapolis, I feel like. He looks like, you know what he looks like? He looks like somebody who is in a Hold Steady cover band, I feel like. I can see that, but not the lead singer. Doesn't take it all that seriously. No, no, no, he doesn't look like the lead singer of that, but, like, he just looks like a guy who's, like, kind of in a dad band because he's kind of getting to that age where he knows he's acting a little bit hipper than his age, But he's just kind of like he's just like he's just kind of that guy.

He also is a fascinating study in getting to that level of NFL importance, if you will, and not ever having played football, as far as I understand it. In fact, I think it was like somebody in his extended family. Maybe it was like his like his stepdad or his mom's boyfriend. There was some connection to the Denver Broncos, I believe.

Yes, there was. That led to, no, his parents met at a game, I think, or something, right?

But then he just got in as, like, some kind of, like, I don't know if it was equipment assistant. He sort of got in with the Denver Broncos at the least sort of football coaching level that a person can. And just by physically being in the building, he just kept kind of moving his way towards things that were more and more important. And then became actually like a position coach And then actually like an assistant coach And is now like running a team And sort of doing okay with it

Yeah, I'm not right about his parents meeting there But I feel like his mom maybe met his stepdad Or something Something like that There's something that was going on familially Regarding his entry into the football world Yeah, and he was like a kid Who was like working in the locker room or something He was helping the equipment manager or something Did you just say that?

Yeah, he just was like obsessed with the sport wanted to be a part of it and i mean which is not really a crazy thought it's just so unusual you pretty much only get to be the head coach because you played somewhere uh and then you you know you kind of you know you assisted at your college maybe you were like a graduate assistant etc there's like a there's a pretty prescribed pathway to it and he didn't really take that path uh just like we didn't take the normal path of thanking the donors today we did our own Pale version of a sports talk show. And for that, we thank the donors for making that possible. We couldn't do this without you.

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Did I buy you enough time to think of more Ohio based or at least originating in Ohio bands?

No, you bought me more time to do something even better to find this paragraph in NBC Sports dot com and then we will put it to sleep. He is the only child of Donna McDaniel, a single mom. He attended Broncos training camp every day at the University of Northern Colorado, where the team trained one day.

So let's clarify. He attended the training camp like he went as a fan. I believe watch them play.

Exactly. And this was when they would practice in Colorado. One day he lost his hat and broke down in tears. Gary McCune of the Broncos video staff took notice and got him a new hat the young McDaniel introduced McCune to his mom they ended up getting married then McDaniel became a ball boy for the Broncos when he was in high school that is an amazing story

right like the lost hat led to this relationship which then and you're actually pretty right about that Andrew by the way they did meet at a Broncos event and it was the beginning of the pathway of this guy getting to be an NFL coach.

Yeah, and I didn't even hear that on Lemon Turd. I heard that somewhere else. I don't know where, but I'm kind of proud. I did sort of, yeah, I'm kind of proud. I kind of got, I got close there. I think you got a lot of that right.

All right.

Do you want to start with my list or do we want to start with the song? I want to start with your list. Oh, you do want to? Okay, here's all I can think of.

First of all, there's six bands on the list that you're then going to know. Well, maybe. Yeah, we don't know. But, I mean, you will then know them. Like, in other words, I think we should start with your list because some of your list might be on the songs I'm going to play. Okay. Well, I've added Sons of Elvis.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. So I'm up to nine if you count them. So Guided by Voices, obviously a Dayton band. The Pretenders, who I'm ashamed to say I didn't even think of. You said The Pretenders, and I wrote it down, but, of course, from Akron. The Breeders, also a Dayton band And so that also, I'm not including like the Amps You know what I mean, the Breeders and the Amps I mean, it's the Kim Deal stuff I'll just call it the Breeders Devo, I believe, was from the Akron and Kent area Okay Bone Thugs and Harmony, that's Cleveland Right?

Oh, really?

I think I always thought they were Milwaukee Bone, bone, bone, bone Oh, did you ask me to do an invitation? I did And I'm gonna miss everybody

And I'm gonna miss everybody

Let's see, I believe that they're from Cleveland Let me type in

I believe that, I believe you I was not saying you're wrong I was saying I had always missed I had miscategorized them as being from Milwaukee

Confirmed, formed in Cleveland in 91 Kid Cudi, I believe, is from the west side suburbs of Cleveland Oh, sure right uh michael stanley rest in okay unfamiliar um pear ubu who i'm not super familiar with

like uh post punky you know pear ubu you like pear ubu i do i well i just i if you were to tell me what their main song was their most popular song i would go oh that's pear ubu i

know that i know that name because they had a hit song i did did they have a hit song i don't know that they had a hit song they might have had a song that maybe your friend circles liked i could be wrong about that yeah yeah something like that and then i'm rounding my nine out with sons of elvis now the fact that i have sons of elvis and pair ubu on this list and i know i must be missing some major major acts is going to probably infuriate a lot of listeners but that's okay that creates content let me know what i'm missing you know i don't know if you're going to feel um

i i don't think that they're it's i don't think these are bands that you're going to be kicking yourself you didn't know these bands are definitely on the i would say less well-known side with two exceptions so let's just start with this is in order of the songs that played while i was sitting in the columbus airport okay and a couple of things here i don't really sometimes when i send the level down to you and i'm on you know the road it can be kind of funky so just like let me know i don't want to be blasting out the listeners by playing this too loud or too quiet But also, I sort of have to talk over some of it because, you know, like we don't want to get in trouble with Spotify. So, yeah, I'm just going to start you with song number one.

Turn up a little bit more. You're right about the sound. It's 90s indie.

Is this ringing any bells at all?

I don't think so. I don't hate it. I don't hate it, but what is it?

No, it's actually, honestly, it was some good tunes that they were playing. They just were not mostly from folks that I knew. This is from a band called Good Shade. Okay. Off of the album Way Out, and the song is called I Don't Want Anymore.

I think these are going to be more modern, huh? I mean, it sounds like 90s music, but I think that's because modern music sounds like 90s music, Especially in the indie world

I don't know I only have so many screens here But do you think Good Shade Is modern I feel like the graphics When I was looking these albums up I felt like the graphics looked To me like these were OG Like 90s and early 2000s bands But also I don't know what anyone's Aesthetic is anymore These new bands might be Making their stuff look like it's a 90s cover Because that's what you do now

yeah i'm trying to figure out dates on this stuff but i will tell you that they are on band camp and let's see their discography october 2022 september 2022 yeah they're a new band yeah okay you're well kind of like that you were right them out this is good publicity for these bands yeah that's right

well go columbus airport for promoting ohio bands here's another one that i'm going to play for you i also did not recognize this song take a listen to this No more excuses I've been up all night You're sick of listening And I know I'm tired of crying Replacements much?

I know, I kind of like it I mean, it's definitely of a It's good, right? I like it, yeah If I'm a barbed alarm shirt

You can kiss me now

But you'll never know what I know Of course, Paul Westbrook, famously from Cleveland. They call him Cleveland's son. Mr. Cleveland. I have no idea. Who is this?

This is a band called Watershed. This is off of the album Twister. And this song is called If That's How You Want It.

I can tell you that they were playing this song live on stage And it was posted to YouTube in 2013 So I'm guessing a relatively modern band But actually, wait, no, no, no, 2013 was a while ago Yeah, not only that, but also, no, that was just some live performance were doing of the song the album is 95 it looks like ah okay so that one is that's maybe a little bit more in the time period that i was imagining that's really interesting though that the um the good shade one is much newer because again everything old is is new now here's one that had me going oh huh okay from ohio take a listen

it's not the cars for the record say the cars i could also this sounds breedersy sort of Oh, wow. Yeah, I love these guys.

Tommy James and the Shondells? Tommy James and the Shondells?

I had no idea. Are they Ohio? I mean, I guess so. Can you fact check that for me? You're asking me to fact check the Columbus Airport?

Columbus Airport music department?

Looking weird. I love this song. Now, I can't hear this song, though, and not think of the Weird Al Yankovic version. Do you know what that is? I think I'm a clone now. I think I'm a clone now. In a womb with a view, I believe, is the line in that song. That's so crazy. He was born in Dayton. Okay, part of the great Dayton.

Hey, there you go. Okay, I'm sorry for doubting the Columbus Airport music staff. That's my thing. Crimson and Clover is so good. Oh, dude, Crimson and Clover, so good. And then Crimson and Clover makes an amazing appearance in the Elliott Smith song that Crimson and Clover's playing over and over, and we're ready once again. This is the part of the show where I just sing an Elliott Smith song kind of from memory. Elliott Smith, I don't think, from Ohio, for the record. All right. Now, this is—you've already named this one, Andrew, so I'll just get it over with because you obviously know this.

Okay, Breeders, right. Yeah, Cannonball.

They played Cannonball by the Breeders I didn't realize that the Deals were from Ohio Because I think of them as being related to The Pixies Which is a Boston band to me I did not know that they were from here Or Massachusetts, whatever

Yeah, it's a little confusing But they're strong, strong Dayton energy Them and Guided by Voices, I think Especially for my generation Love this song God, I wish this was a catchier hook But also wish that the airport would have taken a slightly deeper cut there, but what are you going to do?

Yeah, well, they've got to throw, you know, for folks like me that are just not yet steeped in my Ohio music, they've got to throw me a bone every once in a while of either some Breeders or Michael Stanley, something that's just kind of sort of well-known. So, okay, that was song number four.

The only one that I predicted, not how we set it up, but I did predict, I guess, the Breeders in a way.

100%. So now we've done four songs of the six that played while I was there This is another one that was a band that I wasn't familiar with the name of this band So take a listen to this The song is Kids, Are You Listening?

I don't know this. I don't know this, but it sounds very much of an era.

You're not familiar with the work of The Floor Walkers? The song is called, I'm sorry, the song is called Up the Vine. I got confused because the album is called Kids, Are You Listening? But he just said, kids, are you listening in the song, which was an interesting creative decision. This is a band called Up the Vine. Or sorry, this is a band called The Floor Walkers. The song is Up the Vine off of the album, kids, comma, are you listening? Okay.

And it looks like they're from Columbus.

Are they? Okay, wow. So that's their home airport, too.

They might have been in the airport. I'm not seeing. It's possible. Can I even get into their Facebook page if I'm not on Facebook? That's the one thing that's like so many people still have their main presence on Facebook, but I guess these are public. So I'm just trying to get to like about here, the floor walkers, about. Okay, you're just sending me to your website. Better SEO. We could have avoided all of this. We have podcasts to do, people. I can't figure it out. I'm guessing Columbus. They seem to be very much a going concern.

Okay, great. That's got kind of some ska vibrations there. Got a little sublime kind of vibe happening I'm sure the folks of Columbus Are enjoying the live and tweedle out of that stuff So that's the floor walkers Now I don't know why I have a weird sense

Let me give them a little promotion here by the way Their annual holiday show is coming up At Rumba Cafe December 16th and 17th Spotify tries to take down this show Just I want all the listeners to write To Mr. Spotify I'm sorry Ms. Spotify I don't know who runs That company anymore and Let them know that we were actually doing this To promote these local bands

And If you see me At the Floorwalkers show you have To identify yourself as a listener

That's right

Them's the rules now I have a bizarre This is the final song now Andrew we're at the final Song that I heard in the Columbus airport Now, I don't know why, but I had a sense you might have known this band or mentioned this band. But but not I'm by the way, I'm not spoofing here like this is I'm not going to cat roll you or something. But like there's something about the name of this band that it just seems like a band that might have existed when you were in college. I don't know why. I'm just going to play it for you. I'm sure that I'm I'm wrong on multiple levels. I don't know, this band could be circa 2022, for all I know. But this is the final song that I heard in the Columbus airport.

Oh, I feel like I do that.

This sounded in any way familiar?

It sort of does those swirling vocals sort of sound familiar.

Don't put it off the hook. Put it here.

Okay. I don't know. I don't think I know. It reminds me of something, though.

The song is called Queen Cobra. It's off of the album Queen Cobra by a band called The Orphan, The Poet I don't know why, but the name The Orphan, The Poet Just felt to me like he could have been squarely in the mid-90s And maybe would have been like a college radio hit out here in Ohio When you were at Kent State But you're unfamiliar with The Orphan, The Poet?

I am completely unfamiliar with that Now, I do have, though, the game is not over, children. Oh, the game is just beginning. It's the most dangerous game, Dano. It sure is. I've got to stop listening. Dang it.

Are we most dangerous gaming again? I don't want to die on an island.

All right. So I mentioned the Sons of Elvis before, and I said I don't think anybody in the world knows what the Sons of Elvis are. I still have a cassette tape of them somewhere. Well, I know exactly where in my cassette tape drawer is where it is. Let's not pretend I don't know where my Sons of Elvis tape is. we're all we're all too intelligent for that um but they did have a song called formaldehyde which is sort of like they have a video for it here and um i'm wondering if this got any radio play outside of cleveland i mean again i know sons of elvis because my friend sean had the tape and he introduced me to him we would drive around in the shitty little hatchback car and listen to the sons of elvis and beastie boys and stuff um they are not like the beastie boys take a listen to this i have no idea i think i'm starting this from the beginning off of youtube it may take a while to get to the hook but i i just don't think that probably sons of elvis is on spotify's um don't playlist so let's take a listen to this if we have to let it i haven't heard this in forever Honestly, this part doesn't even ring a bell to me You could have played this for me I wish you could see the visuals I like this. Uh-huh. I remember it now. I think we are products of the 90s, Luke. What do you think? This is like the most 90s thing I've ever seen in my life. From that kind of wacky, dark animation mixed with like images of the band playing and just like always looking like they're in pain for some reason while they sing. I don't know why that is.

Well, the thing, too, is I only know how to talk to talk about music by just referencing other things that sound similar to my ear because I have no ability to really add anything meaningful to the conversation. So that just that was like that was like five different things I liked in the 90s, all converging. That was one. Art Blind Melon, another dash of Spin Doctors. Yeah, you're right. Just kind of had, there was a certain kind of, you know, there was a sound that we were making on guitars and with our vocals. There was a little collective soul, heaven let your light shine down. It had a lot. It was made up of all of the DNA of all the stuff that was swirling around in that moment. But like I just was I would I was thinking maybe this was going to be all songs about what it would like to actually be the son of Elvis, like just perspective on living in Graceland and daddy's sleeping again throughout the afternoon. And now part of the the what was the name of Elvis's posse? I feel like there was. Oh, I don't know. A particular the Memphis Mafia. I think they know that like, yeah, I think so. i think i mean they meant that jokingly but like uh i feel like you're a son of elvis but like you know your dad is kind of having a bad day he's been up in his room all day but then one of the memphis mafia guys is gonna like take you out for ice cream and you just like he had an okay day i mean it was still fun to do something you kind of miss your you miss your dad though like the sons of elvis i mean i don't think he had any sons by the way but this sort of speculative history or whatever you call it memoir about being a son of elvis i i think that's fertile ground for some

songwriting i want you to know that they are from cleveland um they were active between 88 and 95 and the lead single formaldehyde received airplay um on the radio and on mtv and that song that we just heard was featured in the film higher learning john singleton's higher learning that whoa song is i mean that's kind of like i've never seen that but that's john singleton like

that's a that's a real movie absolutely now wait do you does it say what the kind of mtv play i'm

wondering was it 180 minutes or was it like wait wasn't it was 180 minutes that's not what is that

what the show do i always get that wrong that's 120 minutes i think it was 60 minutes i think it

was 120 minutes am i wrong about that i know you're really in my head right now hold on dude 180

180 minutes would be a weird amount of time, right? Because it'd be, well, it'd be three hours of Matt Penfield.

It would be, so I guess 180 minutes is exactly three hours, yeah, but this is 120 minutes. But was it 120? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's got to be 120 minutes, right?

It is, yeah, it looks like it.

Don't you think it would have been more successful at 180 minutes? Well, when they had to run-

One hour more successful? When they had to do that All Things Considered thing where they rerun the first hour as the third hour, then you get to 180 minutes.

Some of that, and you've got to update certain things. For the West Coast. Yeah. For the West Coast, you have to update that intro for that Soundgarden song. Right. Now, was 120 Minutes, that was the alternative show, right? Yes. But did it have a bent towards more sort of like real heavy guitar music, or could anything have made it on there that was considered to be alternative? Could Bjork have played during 120 Minutes?

I didn't watch it a lot for as much as this was like my era of MTV watching like I didn't have cable until about this era and then when I got it my parents were going through a divorce so I had like kind of kind of unlimited screen time I would say during this time it was a wonderful time silver lining alert honestly kids just no I'm not going to make that joke sorry I stepped up to the ledge and then I realized I can't jump but anyway That's probably the right decision Fill in your own joke there folks But no it was a good time It was a good time of watching a lot of MTV And a lot of stand up comics On TV on various Viacom properties But I would say That I didn't watch a lot of 120 minutes but maybe because Matt Pitfield Was kind of a beef Wasn't he kind of a beefy tattooed guy I always got the impression that it was a little bit more of a harder edge

Ironically his name was Matt Pinfield And he looked like Hellraiser minus the pins coming out of his head

Oh yeah did I just say Pittman by the way i might have said pitman you said pitfield oh i did not get it right but yeah i think i assumed that it was kind of heavier alternative music but right because he kind of looked like

he might be a sort of a headbanger type of dude um but i don't think he was i think his background i was always really fascinated with him as the host because he made me think even i could get on mtv and i don't say that that's not meant to be any kind of slight of matt pinfield i think his now I'm in my head is that his name it is Pinfield I'm looking at it here Matt Pinfield he um I think his deal was he was a you know he was an like alternative DJ on some big station and just was sort of a person who not unlike Mike McDaniel just had a love for the game and just was like I'm gonna like learn everything about this and I'm gonna I'm and you know found himself eventually on MTV hosting this like hugely influential show but not just due to being like the most naturally attractive person or whatever. It was like he knew the music.

Like it was I liked it because I felt like, oh, this is a person who got here for the right reasons.

I don't know what was going on in the 90s when I was watching it. But this in the history section of the Wikipedia page, it specifically says that when the show began in 1986, which is before music was all over the place. No, I don't. I think Penfield was always the host. I don't know. But the music was very varied at the time. You could hear anything from the Jesus and Mary chain to the Replacements to New Order. It says here XTC, you know, so like even 10,000 Maniacs. But I'm getting the impression that this is in the era before all of these alternative acts became the mainstay on MTV. It says here Nirvana's music video for Smells Like Teen Spirit received a world premiere in 120 minutes. But then it was so popular that the channel began to play it outside of 120 minutes. So I'm guessing that maybe before you and I got into our MTV era, that if you were looking for more alternative stuff, you would only find it within the 120 minutes. But by the time I was watching it in the 90s, everything was like 120 minutes, right? Because that's what was popular at the time. Right. That and hip hop.

No, that makes sense. Yeah. It's also interesting that like Nirvana was even making videos or that Pearl Jam or these. I mean, I but just keep it on Nirvana because, you know, Nirvana was really not. It just seems like that. I would say like not that long after after Nirvana, I feel like bands kind of those kinds of bands sort of stopped making videos like they're very expensive. They're not corny. Like I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is kind of a great video. But like I feel like there was a period of time where bands kind of stopped making these big, huge budget videos as like a given you're going to need to get on MTV. That sort of stopped being a thing. I don't know if it was because MTV had pivoted to just playing all road rules and real world and they just weren't playing videos anymore. So then the industry stopped doing it or if the industry stopped doing it, so then they didn't have anything to play. I don't know what the who who did what first, but there was really a period of time where MTV was all videos and then where it was not that many videos anymore.

Yeah, I feel like it came after this, though. I feel like this was the last gasp of, like, real music television because, like, Nirvana, I mean, you played the Breeders before. Cannonball was, I think, kind of an iconic video. You know, like, all those alternative – I'm even thinking of What's Up by Four Non Blondes, whether you like it or not. But, like, all the – you know, that kind of goofball alternative look and, like, all – I mean, that was – and, again, I'm a little bit myopic here.

I'll tell you what, when that hat comes back, I'm officially – I'm retiring from being fashionable. Are you segueing? Do you just want to do the hat thing now? Because that is that is all. No, no, no. You want to do that tomorrow? I'm going to push. Can we push the hat thing tomorrow? Yeah. No, I just I was just reflecting on Linda Perry's hat. Listen, I love I love Linda Perry existing. The performer from Four Non Blondes and the writer of many, many hit songs that hat. And it's probably come back. It's probably come back and gone out five or six times since that song came out. I'm I'm OK with us living in a world where there's fewer leather top hats. That's just me. But I'm also dressed like a soccer dad right now. So I don't know what anybody what anybody should be wearing. That's right. It was leather with the goggles. But then didn't she have one that was stripy and soft that wasn't leather? I don't know. Maybe it's very possible. I mean, that song, I will tell you, that song has lived many lifetimes. I mean, it was a huge hit. And then I feel like the karaoke, the world of karaoke sort of revived it on a sort of peer-to-peer basis You couldn't go to karaoke without hearing that song being done And then because of that you've had lots of artists cover it again and perform it at their shows Because it's just considered to be a national treasure And it is, that song really slaps

I love that song, I loved the album, I still have it on cassette I wonder where that is, oh I know it's in my cassette drawer I unironically loved that record As I got older I don't feel like the record stood up At least it's not to my taste anymore But I still do very very much Love that song And I do think that she only wears a leather hat So I don't know where I got the Maybe I was just picturing it literally as a Dr. Seuss hat I don't know I will say Four Non Blondes I mean it's just like we've said it A million times in our lives I really don't like the name of the band For a band that I used to really, really, really like I had to get over the name I don't know if it was like They're saying they're not the stereotypical Like you would hear in a quote-unquote Blonde joke of the day I don't think it's a good band name though

I agree, but I wonder if that's slightly gendered I've never liked the name either But I wonder if it has to do with us being guys For instance, it took me many years To even contemplate what the meaning of that band name was I never even thought Oh what you're saying is there are four members And there are people that

don't have blonde hair like i just heard it as almost like a word a non-blonde for non-blondes like what is that like so i don't maybe it's just maybe maybe i'm bringing my own my own male baggage to my interpretation of that band's name but yeah i feel like they're trying to you know i feel like

they're maybe like reclaiming something with that name um it may be of the of the time too because also like by well whatever i don't need to break this down let's just move on i feel i feel

bad, though, Andrew, because I know that you got me a leather top hat for Christmas. I did. And you got me goggles. And you took... It's the gift of the tragi. I make that joke about once

a year. I was going to say, I don't think that can be a show title because I think we've already used it.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a

female. And it's always in December, Luke. December 25th, 2018. It is. We get O'Henry on the brain that was episode about gifts that was episode 2800 the gift of the tragedy 2800 we were mere children back in december of 2018 but it's beautiful that we you know about every

wait what year was that 2018 okay so four years ago about every four years i get to make that joke around the hall it's a holiday tradition unlike any other i was gonna say except that

It's exactly like the thing I've already done.

Right as I was saying that I realized how ridiculous that was.

So around Thanksgiving, we always have the, there's something about the outside of a turkey that's good for the inside of a man, I believe. That one pops up. Yeah, we get that one going. The gift of the tragi comes around about a month later. What are the summertime ones, I wonder? I don't know, but I'm not dunking on you. I do the same exact thing. Oh, no, no, no. Believe me. Here, let me play one quick voicemail for you, if you don't mind. This is from listener Jamie. mean now this is a reaction to something that i said on the show the other day when you weren't around luke um and i i okay let me just it actually started a lot of chatter online as well it was kind of off the top of my head i had mentioned in passing for some reason the naked dream you always hear about like you know people having a dream they show up to work or school naked right and as i was just sort of pondering that out loud to myself i was just like is that even a real thing like i've heard of people having the teeth falling out dream and other stress dreams and i just wonder if like the naked dream is something that like maybe that got amplified in our collective imagination because tv show writers can work it into plots and it's more titillating than like a dream where somebody's teeth fall out you know but can i ask something is

that your way of indicating that you don't have that dream i have never had that dream and that's why i was like hi i had that dream all the time you do you have the naked dream huh i had that dream like two weeks ago really i had that dream the day before the night before we did live wire live in seattle and the dream was i'm on stage doing live wire and i don't realize until midway through the show that i'm in my underwear so i wasn't fully naked but i'm in tighty whiteys and i'm kind of behind this podium so i'm thinking maybe i can sneak off stage and get some clothes But if I do that, everyone will see me in between where the podium is and the side of the stage.

The weird thing with you is you have to sort out whether you really were in your underwear or not because that's also how you closed out the radio era of TV Tell by literally being in your underwear.

Well, I talked about this when we did Livewire the next day, and I explained this dream, and I said I was wearing tighty-whities because even I don't want to see myself naked in my dreams is the real truth of that. But no, and I've had many, many dreams. It's probably in my top four most recurring dreams is I'm somewhere doing something and I suddenly realize I don't have any clothes on and now I'm mortified and also I have to figure out a way to get to some clothing.

Yeah, I am hearing from listeners who are not into my erasure of the naked dream because people are like, oh, it is real.

We've been through enough, Andrew, what with everyone seeing our junk.

But you mentioned, like, I have some common stress dreams that kind of fit other people's experiences as well. And Jamie wanted to weigh in here. Our pal Jamie in Mississippi wanted to weigh in. She had a combo dream that was both the naked dream along with these other kind of tropes. Take a listen.

Hey, this is Jamie. I was calling about the naked dream. I had a conference in Stonest, Colorado that was really stressful. They kept changing the time I had to speak and various things. So I get there, and the night before my talk, I had a dream that I went to give my talk, and I was just butt naked. So I get there, and I realize that I've gone back down the hill to where my condo lies, and then I can't get my car back up because now I'm late, and I have to take them.

vehicle so then i'll run back up and i go into the room and it was on my dissertation committee there and i've been in school you know five years before that or whatever so so i'm going to jump in

here and just read because it's the phone line isn't awesome so in case you didn't catch that so uh in this dream so in real life jamie has to give a talk right that she's nervous about in the dream she goes to give the talk she realizes that she's standing in front of people naked that's no good so then she runs back to her condo down a hill or something apparently gets dressed gets into a car to drive back to the place where she left everybody naked um but then she can't control the car to get back there and when she eventually does get back there then is a bunch of dissertation judges sitting around looking at her so okay then um jamie then uh tells this dream to

somebody who knows from dreams and i told a psychiatrist friend of mine about that dream I mean, he said it hit all the psychological kind of speaking in public things, that being naked I was exposed, that when I couldn't get my car back up the hill, that I was being stopped by forces that were out of my control. And then once I got there, it was my dissertation committee that I was being judged by others. So I thought that was really interesting. Never had that trifecta again, but it is real, and it left me very shaken. And even giving the talk, I probably was still shaky the next day over it. So there are naked dreams, and I had a doozy of mine.

pull out now this could lead me to talk about all kinds of dream stuff that i'm really fighting the urge to do and you can trust me i won't get into it but i will say that feeling of waking up from a a dream that was very intense and sometimes it's even a good thing but often it's one of these stress dreams but when you carry it around with you for like the first three hours of the day those are the dreams man like especially stress dreams where you you keep on having to remind yourself that like that was a dream that i had several hours ago well the thing that jamie was

talking about about you have to leave but then you're trying to get back to the original place but then you're in a car and it won't drive that's always the issue for me in any stress dream is trying to find my way to something that is happening on a sort of at a particular time so there is it's almost always performance related I told you I I I sort of mentioned that i had a dream about us the other day and the dream was oh yeah what was it you and i were co-hosting a weekend show on it was sort of cairo but it was weird because it wasn't in the cairo studios as i remember them it was in this other studio that they had built at the radio station but it was you and me and for some reason the control room just had like all of these kind of like cool with it funny attractive people in their 20s and i was like this is not the radio world that i worked in what is going on here and for some reason and this is where the stress came in like we were having a great time doing whatever this show was i kept leaving during the commercial breaks and then i would be in some other part of this labyrinth of this radio station knowing that the commercials were about to be over and that i needed to get back to the studio where you were but i could never figure out where the studio was and i'd get back and you'd just be looking at me because you'd have just been solo hosting for an hour. And then I'd get back in, and then I'd chime in, make some joke, and then it'd be another commercial break. And then I would leave again for some reason, and then I'd be trying to find my way back. It's always trying to get to a thing that's making me really stressed out in my dreams.

But as somebody who produced you in the Ross and Burbank era, I will say that that is also sort of like real life. How many times was I waiting to see if you were going to make it back from the from the deli down the street and central with your salad with a fried egg on top of it yeah it's like it's like he's got 10 seconds nine eight oh and here's luke okay who what are we going to my little 9-1-1 tape are we going to play now what with my little cardboard box you're

exactly right with my frisee salad from grand central and then like a fried egg in it uh as my little low carb breakfast or whatever god i was i remain annoying to work with but i i don't know am i more i don't answer that question you know what i went up to the edge and i stopped that was a really fun i went up to the i didn't i was gonna ask you if i'm more annoying to work with now or then but i do not want to know the answer i really do not want to know the answer

please i thought that was a really good time though we would it was fun because we would radio show and then we would do tbtl at your place oh i think of it very fondly too but it's

Like, I think of a lot of situations fondly because other people were dealing with my bullshit. So that's where I can't take my experience as the definitive because I loved that. I thought that was really great. But also, it was a universe in which I was somehow able to breeze in there like that and do the show and not be fired. So, yeah, it seemed fun for me. And then, yeah, those.

those early days of you um joining tbtl it was all it was a very it was a very fun time in our

life and i'm not being sarcastic when i say that yeah no it really was fun and boy that's when we

still liked each other boy how things have changed now we're just now it's just a grim it's just a grim uh you know five day a week march to the inevitability of whatever this is um i was really excited to make a joke this morning that i forgot to at the beginning of the show which is i wanted to say coming to you from columbus ohio home of course of the columbus crew and apparently some football team because i jogged by the columbus crew uh soccer stadium today and i just thought with the the obsession with the ohio state football team here is right is intense and they just made it into the the playoff kind of unexpectedly so everyone's buzzing around here and it was just like i liked it's like the thing you said the other day about what is it what was the livingston

taylor stuff we were talking about yeah just the fact that like you mean that that i consider him to be the main the most famous taylor right exactly like just being like oh you're from

you're from columbus oh my god uh how about that columbus crew and i was confused because that's

the name of the soccer team not the college crew team right i'm not even joking no that's the name Of the soccer team.

And by the way, that joke is, or that, I don't, joke, let's not even call it a joke. That reference I made also slightly falls apart because the Columbus crew, I think, are very popular here.

Are they, yeah. Soccerists.

I just wanted to, yeah, the MLS is, you know, those games are well attended these days. So that joke doesn't even work. I just wanted to try to slightly take the air out of the balloon of our Ohio State fan listeners. And I tried to do that, and I failed miserably, like a Washington Husky. turns out i'm working with a bounded w there is a yeah i have some questions because i don't know

much about uh college sports but i mean basically people felt like they should not have been in right but they're but because it's still like kind of a choosing system they were chosen to be i

don't yeah i i'm not i i don't know i don't know very much about the machinations of of college football at that level the huskies you know uh were hoping maybe to get into the rose bowl but What was going to have to happen for that would be USC gets into the final four, if you will, the bowl championship. And that is a judgment call. But because USC lost, that sort of reopened the door for Ohio State to get in. So it's Ohio State, TCU, the Horned Frogs, get them Horned Frogs, and then Georgia and Michigan. So those are the four teams. I don't I don't know enough to say if I think Ohio State should be in it or not. But that is the sticking point

For people around the country right It is I don't know I don't know if legacy is right

Oh interesting Yeah I could see that I'll do a little You know what I've got to go back I literally have to go back to the Ohio State University now So I'll go ask some of those students Do you think that you got in as a legacy pick

Yeah you should definitely do that

What do you think of that new Michael Stanley song

Start with the Michael Stanley Find people in red and silver body paint And then ask them

Lead with the Stanley And then close with the Buckeye negging

Tell them that you had a lot of stickers on your helmet too

Oh god If you just really want to know What my personality is like in a nutshell That's the story I think maybe more than anything else That really caps it

Stolen valor of football stars

I mean, I am one of the few people that it would occur to to try to steal that valor. All right, that's it for today. I've taken enough and I can't take no more. We'll see you tomorrow. Until then, have a great Wednesday. Thanks for listening, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

So it was like my grandma's house, but at the same time it was not totally my grandma's house like we will not listen to

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