Muse

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, it's twice as much shame on me. I cannot believe I allowed you to fool me again. Definitely learned from the first time not to be fooled. Fool me four times, shame back on you. Actually, you are picking on a vulnerable man. Something has obviously gone wrong with me. fool me five times shame on me again I mean there's I'm vulnerable but at some point you have to take some personal responsibility for crying out loud fool me six times and I have lured you into my trap pretending to be a fool six consecutive times to give you a false sense of security only to flip it and now you are the fool and you have the shame for me seven times you saw through my trick but there's no shame because I'm getting fooled by the best TBTL

Hey Johnny Oh hi Danny, what's wrong with Mark? He's cranky today

Alright, let's toss the ball around

I'm a man of few words but those words will count and so will my actions sooner or later gentlemen you will eat your words you can't be that overly confident remember baby never you might eat that mic i get it i know who you are it's been

explained to me i'm into it let's talk all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live my name is luke burbank I am your host.

As Jay would say, he's got flow.

Coming to you from what I pray will someday be the official home of TBTL, the Riverhouse Studios perched high above the mighty Columbia River. For now, though, it is just a real shell of a living situation.

You've been living in the monkey house.

I am once again in the only room with any kind of heat. It's gorgeous outside. Like, it is absolutely blue skies. The sun is out. Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful. But it is frigid. It's like 20 degrees today. And there's one room in the house that has heat. I'm in it right now. I did go out for a morning jog today, which I was a bit concerned about it because it was so cold. It was that kind of cold where you have involuntary tears streaming down your face. But I had a warm knit cap on. I had on my, you know, sort of thermal running shirt and long sleeves. And I actually felt pretty okay out there, except for the situation in the basement. Except for the fact that I was wearing running shorts. And everything in my body was pretty much warm and okay, except one extremely important part of the anatomy.

I know your nuts hurt. Who's laughing?

I am still, let's just say, thawing out from the experience, and I'm hoping everything comes back online, as it were. We are online for episode 3869 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Not far from me, over in Astoria, Oregon. Of course, that's the town where they filmed the movie. The Goonies. Maybe, is it just Goonies? I get annoyed when people call them the Counting Crows because I know that Adam Duritz would not name a band the Counting Crows. They're just called Counting Crows. And I may have just done that to Goonies aficionados. The house, Astoria, Oregon, is not a place where, you know, there were probably a ton of $1.6 million homes. Sounds expensive. But that's what a guy from Kansas paid for the house where the Goonies, or I should say Goonies was set. And it's led to some disagreement with one of the neighbors in the neighborhood who was tired of fans of the Goonies coming to the neighborhood and gawking and parking and doing all kinds of annoying things. So we'll talk about that. I've also found basically my new mission in life, which is just to light enormously large bonfires out here. Fireball. It's so much fun. I was looking forward to it all weekend, and it did not disappoint. Oh, speaking of things that never disappoint, let's talk to this guy, the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is Andrew.

Boom, boom.

Wall.

And he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. You're going to absolutely hate this, but I can't stop myself from bringing this up. It's come up several times on the show over the course of the past several years where I've told you about my little method for falling asleep. If I'm having issues falling asleep, I took this from Genevieve. It was her idea. But it's you come up with some sort of a some sort of a theme of movies or TV shows. And then you try to think of an example of that theme, starting with A and then going on to B and then working your way through the alphabet. And if that doesn't make sense to you, the reason I bring this up is I've been using the same exact theme for about four or five weeks now. And that theme is what you just brought up. Movies that are one word movies And they can't have the in the title So in other words The Goonies would not work for G But Gigli would You remember that movie Gigli Of who can forget

I believe Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck Back before they went their separate ways And then reunited

Now usually you just come up I think smarter people like Genevieve Come up with a different game Every time they're trying to fall asleep But because I'm a completist I've been trying to work my way through the alphabet, and then eventually I fall asleep somewhere. And so far, I've worked my way up to Q. But I've been doing this list so many times that I can rattle off the beginning of this list very quickly, and I think I can get all the way to Q in probably under 20 seconds. Are you willing for me to try this? Absolutely. Do you want to time me? Yes. I might have just written a check with my mouth that my mouth can't cache, ironically.

How much time do you want? And I've got a stopwatch with one minute on it.

Let's just see how fast I can do this. Now, like I said, I can't think of an R right now. So I'm just promising you that I can get to Q. And let's see if I can do it without stumbling. Okay, ready? Start the clock when I start with A, okay? Oh, wait. Stop. Hold on. Stop. Okay. Start. I'm going to start with A. All right. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Alive. Beaches. Chinatown. Diner. Elf. Fargo. Geely. Help. By the Beatles. We know. Inception. Joker. California with a K. L. Looper. Looper. Great. That's Ryan. What's his name? Memento. Norbert. Yes. Eddie Murphy. Old. P. What is a P? Oh, shoot. Popeye. Popeye. I go there sometimes. Robert Altman version. Popeye. Q. Quills. Okay, that's all I promised you. Now, what do I have for you? That's good. Where are we for R, though?

That took you 24 seconds, by the way.

Oh, not too bad. Not bad at all. Luke, it actually took me one and a half months and 24 seconds. Well, it's all the preparation so that you could be great on the field, and you were. That was amazing. So tonight, I'll probably, if I'm having trouble sleeping, I will probably start with A again and work my way up, and then eventually I'll get stuck on the R's, and then as I'm trying to puzzle that out, I'll probably fall asleep.

Now, so you stopped at R. okay can we can i just can we just play this game a little bit longer because i've gone further

before i just can't remember that was andrew i was very impressed how about roadhouse roadhouse

is perfect swayze roadhouse and then won't come to a slaughterhouse um superman superman okay great i have to sing the alphabet song in my head for every letter andrew do you understand this Or at least I have to sing that section So after you said Superman I can't just tell you That T comes after S I have to sing Q R-S-T-U-V Like I have to sing that to get there So T What's T?

I was going to ask you a different question

Twister

Oh nice yes Is that Meg

I believe that's Bill Is that Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt

Helen Hunt, yes, Helen Hunt. And then so were T.U. Could be Unbreakable.

Unbreakable, what they call me, Mr. Glass.

That's right. To you, V. I had a V. Sometimes late at night I'll punch in ones and then I say to myself, I'll look it up later. Like, is Valkyrie actually a movie? Because I'm falling asleep, I say Valkyrie.

It's Tom Cruise.

Oh, great.

It's how I sometimes ask them not to cut my hair. Oh, really? Let me look up. Yeah, because like everybody, there was about two, three years ago, It got real in style for guys to have what I call the Valkyrie haircut, which was pretty much shaved or very, very closely shaved, you know, not down to the skin, but basically like your hair buzzed pretty short on the sides and then a kind of a mop of hair on top that you would kind of swoop back. Oh, the Macklemore? Kind of the Macklemore, right? But I felt like a lot of the people in the movie Valkyrie had that haircut. And so for a while, and I don't, I didn't think that was a good look for me. So I would.

say to the person cutting my hair i don't want to look like one of the people in valkyrie i used

to tell the barber i don't want to look like an astronaut and they never knew what i was talking about it made sense in my head i didn't want to buzz which astronaut you don't want to look like

what gus grissom you don't want to look like um you know buzz aldrin i mean it felt like a i don't

i guess what i meant was don't make it too short i don't want it to be like a buzz cut where the hair is sticking down sticking out at all i want it to be able to i want gravity to work on my hair Is maybe a better way of putting it Which is also a space reference sort of

Well that's the thing And you'd think if anybody would want to have a little hair That could kind of do that fun zero G thing It would be astronauts But you're right I mean certainly the right stuff era What you should have said was Please don't make me look like one of the right stuff era astronauts That's what I'll say next time And then you get into a conversation about the work of Ed Harris

That's right I've never seen that either That's not the one where old people go to space is it?

No no I forget what the name of that one is

Isn't there a movie like Roadhogs in Space X is Xanadu by the way Nice ding

Xanadu wait we skipped a head though

Twister Twister U was Unbreakable V was Valkyrie T-U-V-W Waterworld I don't think I would have gotten there X is Xanadu Y Because I said so why could be let's see while you do that I'm going to tell you about something what I was planning on telling you about at the top of the show also sleep related and don't worry this one is about a dream I had it's very short though I had a dream last night I just want to tell you about this because it's the classic dream the classic stress dream that everybody's had I finally had it where I order a salami sandwich from a lunch counter but they give me a big piece of fried chicken instead and even though I tell them about the mistake they don't really replace it they're just apologetic god classic dream yeah

you look that up in all the dream books and they'll tell you that that means that your podcast

is not going well yeah and you want a salami sandwich uh as comfort food why is why tripping why am i having such a hard time with it does seem hard um i tried to buy you some time there it's a one yellowstone no wait that's a tv show right yes that is i kept i'm thinking it's got to be yellow um something yellow there's probably a movie is a tv show that's also a tv show yeah um yolo what is your mom it's got to be one word right yeah yeah no does no does no um you look

nice today but it can but it can't be so it's got to be one word but no definite article in front of

it exactly the goonies does not work gilie does that's your that's your key but is but do we know

is it the goonies i looked it up while you were talking it's the goonies it is the goonies yeah yeah um let's see uh i heard i find billy corgan to be sort of a lot sometimes uh i think he also got some unfortunate takes on certain things but of course i love the music of the smashing pumpkins us that certain era you know in the 90s and 2000s um and i heard him being interviewed And he was talking about a song he wrote And it wasn't one of the more famous ones Because I really only know their most famous Like five or six songs But he was describing How he Sort of what he was thinking of when he wrote the song And he said he was a kid Or a teenager and he had some kind of Job delivering pizzas And he was sitting at a traffic light In this big old junky car That he was driving That he either got from his parents or bought And he was sitting at a stoplight and he realized that he was at that precipice between childhood and adulthood and that his childhood was behind him and that his adulthood and his dreams of what he would become, all of it was sort of in front of him but he was at this moment of transition and he said he could tell you the exact intersection he had this thought and then he went and wrote this song which has 1979 in the title.

I was going to say, I'll bet you that song is 1979. That's the name of the song, yeah.

and uh and so and i just it was a very beautiful way to describe a feeling that i think we've most of us have had at some point you know that like it it was uh it was i just thought it was very sort of poetic and and relatable that gets us no closer to a movie starting with why no i got

it in fact i've gotten here in my um in my exercises before i'm just remembering it now luke we were just talking about this movie two weeks ago i want to say it was in the news the movie that starts with a y was in the news we had it on our show sheet for probably about four or five days and then we did eventually talk about it oh i can tell you it or if you want me to keep giving you clues can you give me more clues yes uh we were talking about it specifically about its trailer about its theatrical trailer right it was the um wait it's the

story of a man yesterday in a world where there are no beatles songs so i was getting you know

what i was trying i was going but wait the movie blonde doesn't start with a why and that's because anna diarmus yep is also in blonde yeah is nominated for an oscar i guess for her work in the marilyn monroe movie but of course in the movie yesterday she is cut out of the final product and uh there were some diarmus stans who were very upset about that and sued and i guess the case Is kind of moving forward Which was interesting Wow and then Z Zorro right

Oh is that definitely a movie Not a TV show

Antonio Banderas

Oh it was made It was remade in the 90s Okay Zorro There it is Now let's do numbers Start with number one And we go all the way up Until 1979

Very satisfying though To get through Now also I want to say like I totally understand Your Your sort of way Of not necessarily Trying to reinvent the wheel Every night Because I am the same way I just dream about beating up Donald Trump And it's the same thing every single time But there's something soothing about it And I don't want Personally I don't want to be doing a lot of High level cogitating I want to be somehow my brain Going through a series of rote kind of Movements is what calms it Down and helps me fall asleep if it's one of Those nights where I'm not falling asleep right away So I think I'd be more like you Potentially where I would just do this list every Night I don't think I'd be mixing it up

too much either yeah and then you get to a point it's like you whether it's a story that you're sort of daydreaming about or telling yourself about uh or an exercise like this then you eventually get to a part of the narrative where maybe you haven't been before hopefully you fall asleep before you get to that part but if not then your brain starts working a little bit but you don't want it to work too much because if it works too much then you're gonna get agitated and you're gonna you're gonna want to google was valkyrie really a movie where they had haircuts that are too short on the sides you know and you're like no don't maybe not too short for them Not a good one for me

I've been out here Working on this house With my dad And yesterday I was out Taking down a bunch of siding Because as you know This is your number one podcast For cladding talk And we'll be re-siding I'm not going to do it Because it seems hard But I'm going to hire some people to re-side The TVTL studio But while I was up there i was listening to this american life and i just i guess this is on the subject of storytelling or stories david kestenbaum who's like an old friend of mine from our days together at npr but he's been at this american life for a long time now had this incredible piece where he was just talking to his son miles who i think is nine and who just likes to go run in circles around their like cul-de-sac because he's got a lot of kind of energy and he just gets kind of you know just sorts of needs to let it out he's also the one who told the joke i can't remember andrew if you told me this or if becca told to me but uh what does adhd stand for i don't know attention deficit hey donuts no i did i've never heard that before now imagine that coming from a nine-year-old but it was like this and and what david kestenbaum's kid was was doing and does is he he goes on these like runs he runs around in the rain sleet snow and he tells himself stories and he says there's something about being in motion that makes these stories sort of happen in his brain very vividly and um it was just a great it was a really interesting piece and it was adorable too because of this the love between this father and son and anyways would recommend it was from the uh this american life episode called run around which the moment that ira said this week on the show Runarounds I was like oh we're going out with Blues Traveler aren't we We're going out with You don't even need to call Jessica Hopper this week We know it it's done It's written in the stars And sure enough at the end They played a lot of Runaround Like a lot of the song And I thought I wonder who had to lose 30 more seconds from their piece So that we could get a little more Blues Traveler

Or who didn't Deliver what they promised And so we had to fill it out with more Blues Traveler

I guess I would rather it was that because I, you know, speaking from experience, not so much with This American Life, but just with media stuff where it can be so agonizing when you have to lose 10 seconds. I'm hoping that it was just, yes, something fell through and they were like, just play more John Popper.

They also could have played Run Around Sue, although I was thinking about Run Around Sue this weekend because I'm always thinking about Run Around Sue. We were the as the song by Dion Genevieve was putting together a playlist of we were at the Eagles this weekend for the organization's 125th anniversary or birthday, as they called it. And Genevieve was KJing. She was running the karaoke machine. And in between karaoke songs, she wanted some.

kind of era specific like 1950s era that's not 125 years ago but that was the theme of the night whatever the 1950s sock hop theme so people were dressed up and Genevieve wanted a bunch of music from that era to play in between karaoke songs and I was helping her put that together and at one point we landed on Dion and she was trying to choose between um uh runaround sue or the wanderer which are two songs by Dion and two songs that I remember realizing as a pretty young person the double standards of culture that is the it's the exact same song uh about from two different perspectives one him saying stay away from runaround sue because she is you know somebody who goes out with too many guys and then you have the wanderer where he's singing about bragging about how he's got women in every part of the country you're right i mean the lyrics because

i love to sing the song runaround so first of all thank you for ruining that for me yep uh it's one my favorite karaoke songs because it's very short yeah so yeah right as everyone's getting into it it's like over there's none of that awkward like okay we get it we're all having fun with this now the fun is over wait there's eight more minutes of this song oh a guitar solo oh he that was a hey dummies uh question the other day i remember yeah you answered that well yeah um but you're right it's like the lyrics are like she likes to travel around she'll love you then she'll put you down people let me put you wise sue goes out with other guys now and you take the wanderer and you're right it's and i'm the type of guy who likes to roam around so great for dion to roam around yeah exactly it's irritating that is damn you're right that is like very uh that's a real double standard

there dion yeah dion and then one time i was uh in the car and kicksy was on back before kicksy changed and um i heard another song that i had never heard before by i think by deon it sounded exactly like the wanderer i came home and i played it for v she's like oh yeah i know that from the oldie station growing up i'll look it up now but he has two songs that are almost like you could probably play them on top of each other and the only thing that would change would be the lyrics

do you have any idea what i'm talking about i do i know i can't tell you the song but i know that There's a song that is, like, note for note, The Wanderer, but it's not. Now, also, I'll mention that I do believe that Dion, is he Dion DiMucci? Is Dion's real name?

I'm looking it up now, and you are right, but I would have never known that. I thought he was just born Dion.

Because I believe that Dion, as in she likes to travel around, but it's cool when I do it, I believe he later became a contemporary Christian artist because there was a period of time where we were listening to some Dion DiMucci in our house because he got religion he got saved later in his career I believe and so he was on the approved list

it's a reverse Amy Grant

it's a real it's a classic reverse Amy Grant that would happen on occasion there was a minute where Bob Dylan was like playing with Christianity and um and that was another thing was like well okay welcome to the team bob it's like anyone who would kind of have that moment of of embracing you know my my family's you would say version of what that is christianity i guess it would be like oh cool they're on the list oh dion dimucci sweet oh bob dylan okay cool i mean i didn't think bob dylan was cool when i was a kid so that one didn't make a whole lot of difference in my life like okay great i guess i would just can i trade a bob dylan for an amy grant because i'm kind of vibing with baby baby like your your parents

would never listen to the smoking popes but duval heck yeah that was a very specific reference

i only know that you liked the the band the smoking popes and then did they become duval

with the more christian version yeah i think that they all i mean you know i don't think their faith changed or maybe his faith maybe it's mostly coming from the lead singer i don't know too much about it but there were i don't know a handful of smoking pope records like maybe just two or three i'm not sure i could be getting a lot of this wrong but then they kind of re-emerged as duval where the lyrics were and you know the the smoking popes weren't you know anti-religion or anything like that it was just it was kind of poppy alt music i guess i don't know how you define that type of music but um then duval came out and it was it was like those things where if you if you weren't listening closely you would just think it was a smoking popes but then you'd realize oh the third person in this in this or the second person maybe when you're when he's singing about you he's probably singing about the lord you know what i mean that that's the thing that is the difference between like like non-religious pop music and religious music is usually when somebody is singing directly to somebody in religious music that person is usually

god i i'm i've been scrolling through wikipedia dion de moochie's wikipedia page and i'm very gratified to know that I haven't lost my mind in In December 1979, Dion became a born-again Christian. Thereafter, his recordings for several years were a contemporary Christian vein, which he released five albums on the Dayspring Records label. These albums reflected his evangelical Christian convictions, and they were Inside Job, Only Jesus, I Put Away My Idols, which charted at number 37, Kingdom in the Streets and Velvet and Steel. That was his, I guess, last—oh, he was nominated for a Dove Award? The Dove Awards are the, like, Christian Grammys. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I'm sure Amy Grant had to give back her Dove Awards after recording Baby Baby. Very fresh. We all make decisions, and they have consequences. Now, what I'm wondering, though, is... Oh, and then I remember this part, too, as well, Andrew. Now I'm on the Wikipedia. Return to Secular Music, 1987 to 1999.

And that's when he's doing, like, rib kickoffs, just doing, like, runaround sue.

basically in 1987 Dion agreed to do a concert of his old hits at Radio City Music Hall and let's see here he returned to rock music in 89 with the contemporary album Yo Frankie which included appearances by let's see a bunch of it's so interesting how clearly there are people and I don't want to I don't want to seem like I'm being dismissive but when you look at the Wikipedia page of someone like Dion DiMucci you realize that there are a lot of people who came into some brief contact with him for whom it's a pretty big deal in their like professional life and they really want to make sure that on the Wikipedia page it's mentioned that they played like tambourine on the seventh track off of yo Frankie like it's so his his Wikipedia page is so long because there's so many other people reference like and then he collaborated with so-and-so and so-and-so with a baseline originally inspired by so-and-so and it's like you know that the guy who wrote the baseline that was you know modified to become the baseline on whatever is the guy that was on wikipedia making that like and again people should be respected for their work i'm not trying to be too mean but there is just there's a level of specificity in a wikipedia post which you know could only have come from the person who did the thing that's being specifically referenced because it's not of general interest

The only thing that might belie that is the fact that we also know, and in some cases I'm sort of this person, that there are really Nietzsche, Nietzsche, Nietzsche fan groups who really get a kick out of knowing the details of things and then also drawing lines between things. Sure, that's true. And so somebody who might just be like, oh, my gosh, this was the bass player who played on this Chubby Checker record ended up writing the bass line, which became this song, which ended up being adopted by Yodeon. You know, like I could sort of see somebody really geeking out, too. Also, it's hard to edit Wikipedia. I always come back to that as well. Like, did the person who wrote this bass line, are they also skilled at knowing how to add things to Wikipedia?

You know what else it's proving hard to do online, Andrew, for me is not have my Instagram posts taken down by Instagram. You had a post taken down? I had a post taken down by, I can only assume, the Illuminati of Lake Oswego, Oregon. So that was – Becca and I were staying out there. It was her birthday, and we were having a weekend, and I rented this Airbnb on this very bougie lake out there.

and this was last weekend we should say not this just past weekend yep this is a week yeah a couple

weekends ago and what i thought was sort of funny was it's one of those typical kind of airbnb lake house situations where there's a lot of signs telling you about the fact that you're near water you know how when you're in like a any kind of a lake cabin or lake house or beach house there's a lot of like kind of rough rough hewn signs that say like beach that way or you know got sand in your shorts or whatever it's like when you're in one of those houses most of the signage is reminding you that you're on vacation and that you're near a body of water and that you can't

let it mellow if you don't have a problem with yellow exactly and so when you park the car and

you start to you approach the home it has a sign that says go jump in the lake it's cute sentiment that's fun here we are we're on the lake we're on lake oswego and then when you get into the actual house there is the first thing you see is like a size 26 font laminated thing that says lake oswego is a privately owned and patrolled lake unfortunately because of the rules no one is allowed in the lake unless you're accompanied by an owner well of course you're not going to be you rented this person's house they're not there so uh please uh enjoy the patio and lakeside but not the lake and And I thought, wow, like now. it was freezing cold we were not going in the lake but if i had rented this house at the height of summer um and uh and had invited a bunch of folks out and you're like here's what we're gonna do we're gonna barbecue we're gonna jump in the lake it's gonna we're gonna do what that sign said go jump in the lake like and then i found that laminated thing that basically said and the deal is and many people were saying i made an instagram post about this and a lot of people were commenting something to the effect of yeah lake oswego is a place the specifically the homes that along this lake there is a long and probably not great history of exclusionary behavior it's the houses are very expensive the people who own those houses presumably have a lot of sort of political capital uh it's very it's been very important to a lot of them that lake oswego is pristine and only other rich people using it and not the hoi polloi so there's no public access to it there's just a lot of probably not great stuff around the quote-unquote preservation of lake oswego lake almost everything from the last well forever in this country a lot of racism a lot of just bad stuff so i put up a post that just was a picture of the go jump in a lake and then a picture of the laminated sign and i just said i'm not feeling season three of the white lotus probably because becca and i were also working our way through the white lotus at the time well imagine my surprise when a few days later i see that instagram has taken it down they have they have um blocked it for possible sexist racist or violent language and i i it was very weird to me that i've never had a post on instagram taken down and it's the one post that's just kind of criticizing this extremely affluent i mean jokingly criticizing this super affluent place um but then i hit i was like i'm i'll take this to the supreme court if I have to I don't know if this will qualify or if you know the court will agree to hear it but I was like because there's a button that says do you want to like appeal this and I was like yes I do and now I think the post is back up a few days later so I don't really know what happened but it was weird that the one post I've ever had taken down was just taking a very mild shot at this very bougie place Lake Oswego Oregon that only happened to me once before and I had a

pretty strong reaction to it which i think is very relevant today too as we continue sort of to talk about twitter in the state of twitter under elon musk i had taken a photo now this was during the pandemic i think kind of nearing the the waning days of the pandemic i think but i'd taken a photo of theo my old cat's medication and i think one of the medications even had a weird name it wasn't like worm paste but it was like something you know he didn't have worms i don't know what it was uh but no it wasn't but i posted just photos of that and maybe a somewhat cheeky um caption but it was not i was not playing around with the idea of covid like it was the furthest thing from my mind it was not it was not an ivermectin joke it was not a it was not a horse paste joke like whatever it was i just posted these photos and there was probably some dramatic lighting they were sitting on my counter I was probably stoned I don't know either way I posted this thing and then it got taken down almost immediately and I realized quickly because then what I did was I took a screen grab of my kind of ban notice and I posted it up as did I and I posted it up in the into the stories which is different than having it kind of permanently on your grid for those who don't know you get a story is something that lasts for about 24 hours then it disappears and so I was able to like sort of screen cap it and reshare it on the same platform but in a different sort of space on the platform and a bunch of people were commenting oh yeah i'm sure this is you know anti-covid misinformation you know joe rogan was in the news at the time i'm taking photos of weird medication and posting it and they made this decision now am i somebody who wants somebody looking out for society to make sure that we're not spreading really bad information during a global pandemic where people are like you know making a living by spreading bad information uh yeah like i want protections in place but it really underscored to me that like these are not the people these tech people in silicon valley are not the people who should be making these decisions and it kind of goes back to you know what finally broke me on twitter and that that made me sort of get off the platform or at least stop interacting with the platform was when elon musk started like banning reporters for sharing publicly available information about where his airplane was or what have you and i was like who like i'm not against people making sure that information is is you know true and safe and that we're not harassing people online but like who's making these decisions you feel so powerless in that moment when you've done something totally innocent and some algorithm tells you no you've

been a bad boy i had a weird reaction to that well me too because i am do not other than just jokes that don't work I don't post any kind of edgy content ever like that's just not really my thing and so when it said your post has been removed it goes against our community guidelines um it says uh we don't allow things that include graphic violence hate speech harassment and bullying nudity and sexual activity as far as i can tell this post had none of that stuff is it because i said the word sucks oh you said the

season of the white lotus sucks is that what you said yeah um yeah maybe that's what maybe that's what caught its attention and the and they probably just the algorithm probably catches it first and then it probably just errs on the side of caution and then maybe you when you appeal it there's a slightly higher level of scrutiny that allowed it to pass the second time oh yeah

because it's back in now yeah it's definitely back in so they must have just uh yeah it must have gone maybe it went from ai to like a human looked at it god i weep for whatever human has that job just having to look at all of the actually that would be kind of entertaining

maybe all of the band content of instagram yeah but just some of it i bet your eyes well i bet

you it's dark really fast i was just thinking more like it would be mundane because it's me taking pictures of go jump in the lake um i was sorry to interrupt i was gonna say i think i

mentioned this to you off air but i don't think we talked about it on air something that just absolutely blows my mind is the ability of these of this ai or these algorithms to identify content now this is something we've talked about on the show a little bit because we've gotten dinged for using copyrighted music on tbtl and so spotify we know that there isn't somebody at spotify who's listening to every episode and every minute of tbtl if so our

numbers would be better great right use that kind of time spent listening but they have way and

YouTube did this as well when we were doing live streams of our show, like when we were doing live streams in Denver, I played the intro, the musical intro of a cartoon from the 90s called Denver, the last dinosaur. And we got notifications from YouTube saying, hey, we realize that you use the song, you're not supposed to use that song on our platform, you don't have the rights to use it. Here's who owns the copyright. And like, that's pretty astounding to me that like, they have bots that can just identify that, but it's also the way of the world. Now, what I have learned since then in my VHS archiving project is it can identify non-musical things. So I kind of can sort of wrap my brain around the idea that, you know, it's kind of like Shazam. You know, if you have if you're asking a computer to listen to something, it can pick up on certain rhythms or beats or musical notes. But I was uploading like full segments of like one of the playoff games from that. the mariners played in the 1990s and i uploaded them to youtube to share with like you guys on the text chain or whatever and in me uploading like maybe three half hour long files or whatever it was youtube identified certain plays and it said it's okay that you're using this but we just want you to know that at the seven minute and 18 minute mark that's where so and so caught this pop fly like somehow the algorithm knows about very famous moments in sports history and was able to flag it in my videos just in the middle of a half hour long video and yet they don't care about like

mike kingery you know really like battling and taking a like a taking he's behind in the count he's down oh two but then he battles his way back and goes full count then he strikes out no that's that's free that's what nobody cares that like you know have all of the mike kingery you want But Luis Soho hitting that inside the Park Grand Slam, that's primo content. And we're going to let you use it, but just know it's primo content.

Kingrey doesn't ring a bell to me. Was he playing for the Mariners during this time?

No, he was before. I don't know why. He was a Mariner, though? He was definitely a Mariner. I was into him. I believe he played center field. He was sort of like a serviceable outfielder for the Mariners, probably in like 87 or something. i have like two or three like if you just like woke me up out of a dead sleep and say like name like a funny mariner name of a kind of not particularly memorable mariner it would be mike kingery and jack parcante okay i think i've heard you mentioned that other guy before i love jack parcante when i was a kid i just love that name we had a guy named ray quinones also who was like um just these are not like this is we're not talking about uh ken griffey jr we're not talking about alvin davis who was the rookie of the year uh we're not we're talking about the other guys the dudes that were there for like a hot second and for some reason jim beady was a pitcher that we have like why are these names in my head and how soon do pitchers and catchers report andrew because it's a sunny day i was walking down the stairs this morning and i just had the thought oh shit baseball is on the horizon and i got extremely i just emotionally need something to latch on to right now because this... construction project is just like so trying um but uh but i did get to make a big fire last night and that was really fun like you know because there's all this scrap wood around that's like from the demo and stuff and like piling it all up and lighting it on fire and watching it and eating some fritos as i did last night truly gratifying like i don't know if we were talking on air or off air about this recently but i didn't really have a big like teenager let's go out in the woods and start a big you know bonfire hopefully nothing worse than that but oh man at 46 i am here for it like it's and like i have a good yard for it because the guy before me had some kind of like earth moving equipment and so he terraced all this stuff and made like all this parking which is completely useless to me like gravel flattened gravel area for parking your fifth wheel or something but it's ideal for piling up a bunch of wood and lighting it on fire and

watching it burn and boy am i enjoying that i do love doing that i have a fritos related question for you though because i've asked you this a couple of times but i'm somewhat i mean i'm joyfully incredulous which is um maybe a show title um but uh i'll text you when you were here in seattle i believe last time we were opening packages that the listeners sent to our po box and that was right before christmas i think that was the 23rd we did that show and listener i want to say, Listener Garrison found some barbecue-flavored Fritos and sent them to me, because I hadn't had them in a long time, and they were just re-released, and he saw some at his local store and sent them to me from across the country, which I appreciate. Thank you, Garrison. And I shared some with you, Luke, and you really liked the, you seemed to really enjoy the barbecue-flavored Fritos, which I was really surprised by, because you don't seem like a man who would like flavor blasting that much, and I wasn't sure if you were just really, really, now that we've had a little distance from that you see i've waited almost an entire month actually more than a month to return to this um do you like if you were to be at the store and you saw a regular bag of fritos next to barbecue fritos now would you be even tempted by the barbecue or were you just really hungry in that moment and they were the fritos in front of you it would depend on the size of the

bag if it was a regular size bag which is what i was chomping down on last night i'd go regular fritos because i if it was one of those little like the kind that you get you know would get in your lunch if you were like a cool kid when i was a kid which would be not me uh like a a lunch serving of i would totally go barbecue because they're very yummy i just can't eat as many of

them as i could eat of the regular kind yeah if you're putting them back in the cupboard for later

maybe you don't want barbecue for the next or just if i'm because i'm going to try to eat you know once i get started on the fritos habit there's a tendency to push it as far as you can like i want to be able to eat as much of these as i so desire and if they're too flavor blasted then i'm gonna get like i'm gonna get flavor fatigue which is a term i've learned from watching a lot of extreme

eating on tiktok now flavor fatigue that makes sense i mean i don't know if i've heard it but it makes sense in the same way like we talk about nose blindness a lot like you just stop noticing

things it's one of the big well and also even worse it's like you can't have any more of it there's this guy who will eat like i mean just eats all manner of everything you can imagine but he one of the things he was eating beck and i were watching and it was like pounds i'm talking about like 10 pounds of chocolate or something like a novelty like a novelty hershey bar that you don't even think has real chocolate in it because it's so big and it's like you assume it's styrofoam and this is a gag you put it up on the wall or something but no it's actual chocolate And he's just eating through it And he's just talking about the flavor fatigue Of the whole thing Really that word is very kind of like It makes it I can imagine what he's talking about I've never eaten that kind of bar of chocolate I hopefully never will But I can understand what he's saying when he says flavor fatigue

Does chocolate make you cough if you eat it too quickly Or too much of it?

Not that I'm aware of

Is that something that happens to you? Yeah I was surprised to find out that that was not a universal experience The other day I was talking to Genevieve She came in, and I was coughing. She's like, whoa, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I just had the chocolate coughs. I was eating some Reese's Pieces. The chocolate coughs? Genevieve's sister, Julia, sent me some Reese's Pieces for Christmas because she heard me talking on this show about how much I love me some Reese's Pieces. And, yeah, I said, oh, yeah, I just got the chocolate coughs, and Genevieve gave me, I don't know, the look that is the equivalent of the sound in your voice a moment ago, which is like what in the world are you talking about like you know you you eat too much chocolate too quickly or whatever he kind of makes you cough he's like no that's that's not that's not

something i can associate with i i don't want you to feel othered but i will be honest with you that's not i love that there's a term for it that you invented the chocolate yeah but that's not a

thing that i've ever heard of either like picture like what i think of is like one of the most Thank you.

Coffee chocolates, I would guess here, and I don't mean coffee-flavored chocolates. I think people are following.

Yes, but most likely to induce coughing.

Like right now, imagine somebody lays out five Hershey Kisses in front of you. You know, it's that pure. There's no candy shell. It's just that like kind of sticky chocolate candy, and you eat five of them in a row without any water. Don't you think it's going to make you cough? And I don't mean a choking hazard, obviously.

Five Hershey Kisses.

I just think there's something about the.

It kind of tickles your throat. I could see that I'd be willing to do an experiment Next time I'm at your house for the show That'd be kind of fun It's not quite as exciting As somebody eating 80,000 calories In a sitting But we just each eat five Hershey Kisses And see who coughs The five kiss challenge And then we actually kiss So that's where the twist happens Okay We should take a quick break And then we come back We will talk about the Goonies house in nearby. I can almost see Astoria, Oregon from my porch. So, yeah, we'll talk about that coming up here on TBTL. Hello and welcome to Top Story. The the house from the movie The Goonies is kind of legendary in Astoria, Oregon. and it's I guess I've been reading up on this in at KGW.com and also over at the Oregonian and I guess there's kind of a long history of a sort of complicated relationship between either the person owning the home in any particular period of time or the people living near the home because it's a really big tourist draw but I guess it wasn't always so some number of years ago let's i have this article actually uh i'll give you kind of the backstory here um somebody bought the house uh and fixed it up because it was i guess it was in some amount of disrepair so somebody bought it just like as a house to live in and um she fixed it up and was just trying to live in this victorian house in astoria oregon which presumably with like a nice view of the water or something and that was about the time that the internet started to really pop off about the Goonies house I also think it was like the 30th anniversary of the movie's release and you had the city of Astoria encouraging people to come out and visit Astoria and be nostalgic about the Goonies and so basically the person who owned the house was pissed apparently they covered the house in tarps they put up all these signs do not come to the house please which seems like kind of no fun but on the other hand if I just bought what I thought was a regular house and I spiffed it up and I just wanted to live in it and i was constantly dealing with people showing up and knocking on my door i think i also would be a little bit turned off by the experience heck yeah i mean you know me i need

my personal space but um even if they weren't knocking on the door even if i were just to look out my window and there's just another even just one car full of people standing outside their car staring at my house or taking photos of my house i would feel very self-conscious yeah um the they

say about uh back when the house was being owned by the woman who was not excited about being well in her defense by the way she initially when people would show up she would give them impromptu tours of the house she was trying to be you know gracious like it wasn't like she was screaming at people from like day one but over time it became like ridiculous they said that some estimates are 1500 people per day stopped by the house unannounced whoa that's a shocking number that is a shocking hundred people a day that's not a week that's not a month it's not even a lifetime bothell that's that's wild in a day i mean that's a full-time job just greeting the

people who are coming to see the goonies house wow that is quite i'm jealous not of people coming to my house but listening to my podcasts i know honestly we could just do tv chill from the porch

and that'd be more people than this under the current system yeah right so um i guess that person eventually sold the house i'm not sure if they were the one who sold the house to this guy from kansas or not his name is beeman zachary and uh he's an entrepreneur from kansas city he has uh seen the goonies movie more than a hundred times he says he's always dreamed of buying the house and it came up for sale for 1.65 mil and he bought it and he is doesn't plan to live in it i guess he's doing pretty well with whatever he's doing for a living he just wanted to preserve it and wanted to maybe try to turn it into something like a museum or something people could take tours of now the interesting thing is the city of astoria even though like they're excited for people to come to astoria for whatever reason spend tourist dollars they're not letting him turn it into a museum he can't use it as like a short-term airbnb which would also be popular stay in the Goonies house for a night. There's a lot of rules about what he can and cannot do with the house, but he seems pretty chill about it. And this article that I saw on KGW said that the reaction to, and I don't unfortunately, I don't have a byline for who wrote this, but on KGW they said, the reaction to Beeman Zakari purchasing the iconic Astoria home from the Goonies has been overwhelmingly positive, especially as the new owner of the 126-year-old house has made it clear he's thrilled to welcome fans of the movie um so he hung up a banner on the house that said goonies welcome um and i guess now and i don't know if this is we have fans that are probably much more into the movie than i am or i should say we have listeners who are bigger fans of the movie than i am i didn't realize that if you're a fan of the movie the goonies you are called a

goonie yourself yeah that doesn't make sense to me this is all new to me now this is your story you sent it to me but I'm on the same article and I'm kind of scrolling through it as we talk and it looks like the first sign was Goonies not welcome on a neighbor that's the neighbor yes and then it says in response to that Zachari placed a banner on his house that says hey you guys Goonies welcome so did you already say that and I was maybe in my own world but yeah so it started with the neighbors and then him responding hey you are welcome here correct and then by coincidence

They say in the article, which I can't understand how this coincidence works. Beeman Zachary, his a childhood friend of his or some person that he just knows in the world has purchased one of the other homes. He purchased the home next to the Goonies house, which is in between the Goonies house and the neighbor who has the sign, the banner that says Goonies not welcome. and the guy in the middle has a banner that says ignore the karen and then has an arrow pointing at the lady with the sign that says goonies not welcome so you got the two like two guys from kansas city that randomly own homes in the same neighborhood of astoria and know each other and the middle there's a guy literally in between the so-called karen uh and the the the guy who loves the goonies like that's very bizarre to me as i don't know there's got to be more to that

spree i'm also wondering how much money they put into these signs and i'll tell you one thing this

would never listen i come from a long line of sign makers yeah i can see one of them my dad from here he's out there right he's out there running pex pipe in the uh studio you know where

this wouldn't fly luke corvallis these signs would get stolen in a hot second you can't have

signs and we learned that the hard way they're using the goonies font too if you've noticed like for the for the the the goonies welcome and the ignore the karen they integrate the goonies font the person who's not excited about the goonies they're just going with a standard i don't know times new roman or something goonies not welcome but it's yeah it is a standard

you know sans serif font but like it's irritating because like goonies not on the top line are all cap and then welcome is just like capital w then lowercase elcom and i'm not exactly sure why but

it makes my brain itch well think about the emotional state of the person who's getting

this banner as they were filling out the quick sign yeah okay yeah right they're down at the

quick sign and they're like just fuming and they're just like these Goonies fans again no offense if you're a fan of the movie The Goonies you should be described as a Goonie fan you're not a Goonie yourself just like I'm not a Jedi if I like Star Wars

right or you're not a Smashing Pumpkin if you like the Smashing Pumpkins to go back to that

you're not a Goonie you're like a Goonie enthusiast you're Goonie head yeah there you go you stand The Goonies whatever you you know choose to use just being them the people who are fans of it being themselves called the goonies is weird to me but just imagine the person who's getting this sign made because also by the way it's not just like they're annoyed by all the extra traffic and the you know people parading into the neighborhood they also had to pay for this banner so they're probably out another 50 bucks 100 bucks so they must have just like you said if there's a if there's a function where you type in the what you want to say like or like what you want the sign to read i just imagine just smashing the keys just angrily god these goonies fans so yes it's not consistent goonies not all caps and then beneath it welcome with only the w capitalized almost looks like a different font i could be wrong

about that but it looks like the kerning is different it's really driving me bananas um but you know what i want to take a i want to take i want to offer a retraction for myself and take the other side of this Goonies fan argument I like it. I think It's cute. I think that if in the movie, which I have not seen since I was probably the age of the kids in The Goonies, if the movie is about a group of kids who unofficially call themselves The Goonies, I don't know if that's true or I don't know if they say the name of the movie in the movie, but... They do. They have a whole song. Hey, hey, we're The Goonies. That's right. Some people say we Goonie around. I think it's cute. I think it's kind of like, hey, there's a bunch of us out here and we're all Goonies. I like it. I'm going for it.

Yeah, you know what? You've convinced me I'm good with it too actually

I was just trying to make hot talk radio We can't agree on everything Luke

That's why I did that Well that's the thing is you know the story is of course About a plucky Group of kids that are kind of like underdogs And outcasts and they bond together To go do A thing I'm not really familiar with the plot Of the Goonies but There's a baby roof involved There's something called the truffle shuffle happens I believe there's a sighting of not James Brolin that's the dad but who's the younger Brolin Josh Brolin I think Josh Brolin is like in it he's like the older brother maybe he's kind of a I don't know if he bullies them or if he's nice to them I don't know

a penis falls off of a statue or breaks off of a statue do you remember that part I remember that because I was scandalized by it because I remember and my friends thought it was super funny because the kids are horsing around somehow Now, there's some like, I don't know, like some outdoor statuary. I want to say it's like a cherub. Do I say is it cherub or cherub? Cherub, right? Cherub. There's like a cherub or something like that. And I hope that cherub wasn't hard. It's a whole other kind of sculpture garden. And they knock the statue over and the little penis breaks off the statue. And one of the kids says, that's my mom's favorite part, I think. Now, that is a memory from like 1989. I could be wrong about that. But that's how I remember it, and I remember just being like, oh, my God, this is the dirtiest movie ever.

I know that, like, we probably can move on here, but I'm just looking at the Goonies Not Welcome sign, and it's really causing me to just consider the experience of the person who owns this home, because it looks like it's a nice home. It's kind of a craftsman. It's got a little bit of a Cape Cod kind of cladding. As you know, Andrew, I'm big on cladding. um and again it's like on the one hand it's very easy to want to just be like what is wrong with this person but on the other hand it's like i don't know if if here i am in this funky weird cottage that i bought that i'm trying to fix up and part of what's appealing to me about it is that it's not in the middle of a thriving city and it's got some kind of pretty views and if it turned out that like my neighbor's house hat was used in top gun maverick i don't know why i thought of that except that he's an ex-pilot and suddenly there was a parade of people i would be pretty bummed out you know like it's weird because they're like two things can be true it's fun for fans of the movie to get to come see the house that's true and those fans i'm assuming are mostly good people it's also would be very frustrating if you were just living in a neighborhood and you had constant traffic and people you know parking in front of your house and maybe blocking your driveway or whatever is happening that causes person to make this very very sad banner like it's easy to dismiss them as a quote-unquote karen but it's also like i'm trying to think what would my response be i probably wouldn't make a banner but i think i would be pissed

yeah that's what i was going to say like you probably be annoyed but you would not make this banner this banner just i mean this is one of those things what is the expression not even even

on the windows it's like it just yeah this it's like it's it's off center as far as where it's hung on the house i mean this just reeks of a person who was in a moment of of unbridled anger

yeah i mean it what is it you you you shoot you lay down with pigs you get dirty or whatever that expression is it's like this you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas is that what it is yeah either way like that's one of the versions of it like if you get wrapped up in your own rage with somebody you end up becoming somebody that you don't want to be you're more like that like this this banner like it's just so unhinged it's just like there's and if you liked your house and you're like hey i like my little i like my little house my little cottage it's got style but then you're hanging this banner outside of it like you've you've lost sort of you've you've lost your mind and also your house now looks like a nut lives there and it looks ugly you look like

the bat the mean lady from the goonies yeah right exactly you know that like throw mama from the train right i was so afraid of that woman when i was a kid she's frightening very frightening i assume that's who lives in this house um you're right about that though like can i give you two more highbrow even more highbrow than you lay down with pigs you wake up with dirt yeah then i got one more goonies thing to say okay uh and i said he's on the show many We'll be right back. times but i just like i like them one is uh if you stare into the void long enough the void stares back which is you know what's kind of happened to this person the other one is if i think jeff garland might have said this to us if you wear the mask long enough it begins to fit

does the void one work i don't know if the void one works there though maybe maybe i don't know

i guess it's just i take the void one to mean if you obsess too long over anything it begins to affect you now i don't know how the void staring back affects you but it just to me it's a sort of like a fixation thing it's like if you if you fixate on something it is going to fundamentally change you which you're right i don't know if the void one actually if you avoid the noise i was

gonna say if you stare long enough at the noise the noise stares back i thought that is a show can i get back on twitter for that okay i will here's what i was saying about the goonies i was sort of i got some part of the statue story right and some part wrong um they are not outdoors they are indoors it's not a cherub it looks like it's a miniature statue of david maybe or something along those lines well that would make sense a kid comes i'm gonna play the audio here now it has spanish subtitles so i'm assuming that the audio is still in english a kid comes crashing through the window on some sort of a um like like a pulley system or like a uh a zip line a zip line system one of the kids comes crashing through the other kids living room window and comes crashing in and then knocks this statue over but then who's the who's the overweight little kid who's the he has to do the shuffle his uh uh didn't you just say it before i'm embarrassed anyway well no

i don't remember what his name is because i always mix him up with the guy named chunk is wait is he chunk oh maybe he's chunk or is chunk the other kid who's like there's the monstrous kid who's

chained up and that's not chunk and that's not a kid i don't think that's and that's a that's an adult like creature i believe that lives okay when with the with the throw mama from the train boy this is worse than us talking about star trek anyway so one kid comes crashing through the window knocks the statue over and then the other kid saves it he saves the statue from crashing to the floor and for a second he's like victorious but then when he writes the statue and puts it back on the table he does so so haphazardly that the statue ends up falling anyway and the penis breaks off, and that is where we will... That's basically what happened to me

this morning on that jog.

I know you would think that from good old Chunk. You idiot!

Yep, his name is Chunk.

Look! It's not broken! It's perfect! Oh my God! What? That's my mom's most favorite piece!

That's my mom's most favorite piece. I was right. What a filthy movie.

I think... Wait, so you think The kid is saying that the penis is the most favorite Piece the kid is not describing the Overall statue as a piece no no no

He's reaching down and grabbing the little Piece yeah I think you know that's

Pretty entertaining honestly I Wonder what's like I wonder What's going on with me or what Was going on with me as a kid that I wasn't More obsessed with that movie like because It was a big deal in The world I feel like I watched it Like you know we Like we didn't rent it at my house that would have never Flown but it was like maybe I went to Jesse stevenson's and like they rented it because they had low low standards uh for personal behavior and uh i just it's funny because you'd think i would have just gotten obsessed with that movie

but i just never did i apologize for dismissing you there this is one of those things where i feel like maybe you're right maybe he's referring to the entire statue as the piece but i've been thinking about likely he means that wiener but i think that might be a double entendre that maybe he's because you're right like i've only been thinking about this through the brain of an 11 year old for the past 36 years like or whatever it's been um it might be like favorite piece meaning like the statuette but also it's a little bit of a double entendre as he picks up the little wiener and kind of tries to stick it back into place i think if they weren't trying

to play it for i think your initial first thought best thought i think your first thought was right I think if they weren't doing that, they would say, that's my mom's favorite statue. Yeah, yeah. Like saying peace is very intentional. Yeah. As the kid is picking up a broken, you know, penis. So, a what unit? Yeah.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man. It's not from a female.

All right. Emails or V-mails. I want to tell you, Andrew, it's all happening for me right now. Now, I keep talking about what absolute disrepair this home is in, and that is true. But as I was talking to you about the Goonies, I was also staring out the window at the Columbia River where a tugboat was pushing a big barge down the river. And it was like, that's what I'm... And that's what I'm here for. That's what the staring is all about. That's what I've been, that's what I'm in the market for is look, talking to you while watching a tugboat push a barge down the Columbia River. And it just happened and it felt pretty good. I wonder if it's my tugboat captain that I met at Ozzy's seven years ago. I mean, how many tugboat captains could there be? More than one, less than three. How great is it that that's part of the plot of Patriot? Yeah, the tugboat, tugboat. the made-up tugboat captain dad yeah yeah well yeah the plot gets a little

you get a lot of coincidences in season it's three seasons right i know we did a recap show on it it's two seasons or three either way by the end i thought it was two you're probably right and we always wanted a season three i'm gonna stop talking about patriot now it's just embarrassing me i um have a bunch of voicemails on the voicemail line that i haven't even gotten to because I have so much great stuff from last week. I think today I'm going to stick to e-mails. I'm going to read some of these e-mails to you. We also got an amazing story from listener Emmy Kate as a voice memo that I'm going to play for you tomorrow. I almost just want to do nothing but e-mails and v-mails on TBTL this week. Here's a quick mention. I'm fine with that. Here's a little promotion from listener Kate. her dear friend and colleague Max is installing an art exhibit in Port Townsend they said the Kate said it was in the Seattle area but it's actually at what I recognize this Luke and I was very excited that I recognize it it's what is the name of the fort there in Port Townsend Fort Warden I think it was at Fort Warden I was like that's not just the Seattle area that's Port Townsend my friend

that's where Luke likes to have some of his weddings

so anyway

that's one of my top two places to have a wedding

This art exhibit benefits the families of missing and murdered indigenous women, which is a huge issue and something that people are talking about more and more. In fact, I think here in Washington state, there's some legislation related to that as well. And anyway, Kate says she's been working on the project alongside him and some friends and proceeds go to the National Indigenous Resource Center. Anyway, if people want to check this out, go to Fort Warden on Sunday, February 19th at 6.30 p.m. And if you want to support this cause and also check out this project that Kate has been working on with her friend Max Bidasha. I just wanted to let people know about that. Also, I want to tell you some stories here, Luke. How about this regarding bowling pins on strings? This was a news story that we talked about the other day. apparently for various mechanical reasons the bowling alleys that still exist in the united states are finding it easier to put little strings and they're not even invisible i picture that it is as like fishing line but it's actually like these visible strings on the bowling pins that helps them get set up right quicker and easier after you hit the after you knock them down

it's well and also i think it's the idea is that a lot of money gets spent on fixing those kind of mechanical pin resetters and so if you could not have to do that you'd save money and the story we

read came out of milwaukee and um this is from laura who's a mishitan but was in milwaukee on a business trip says i went to bowling as part of a team event on this business trip it was a newer place with several entertainment activities and a restaurant bowling was not the primary thing but we thought it was pretty cool it's something to do we reserved a couple of the lanes and i quickly notice our bowling pins never really disappeared they just sprung back to life like little puppets which made me feel bad somehow for continuously knocking them down like they're defenseless little beings and we were they were indeed on strings says laura about halfway through our game somebody bowled a strike clearly knocking down all the pins but the scoring system recorded nine the string technology placed one pin back upright and made the person bowl for a spare which they then missed we thought it might be a malfunction of that particular frame sadly not the case we realize after several turns the system stopped recognizing the far right pin it says the 10 pin in the standard numbering grid was never marked down ever as a result no one could ever score a strike or a spare no one could close a frame at all it was absolutely maddening all caps on that by the way if you're hanging a sign outside your house I never want to bowl in an alley that uses the string system ever again the only silver lining was I took the edge off and otherwise oh I guess the bowling took an edge off the otherwise awkward work outing power out Laura a Misha 10 that sounds awful Luke as somebody who doesn't bowl enough but really enjoys bowling that experience sounds so frustrating all caps all

string pins than lowercase. Not welcome. Not welcome. I thought that that was going to be a story where Laura was like, oh, I didn't even notice. And then it was just kind of fine. And then we got on with it. But no, that sounds like that's the worst case scenario, pretty much.

That was, yeah, just like that sign, it makes my brain itchy. I'm going to read one more story here. This has been in the hopper for a really long time. It's from listener Bill, who says, I have this green tool shed in my backyard, not too far from my back door. I was out there rooting around about five years ago, and I see what looks like a dirty sandwich baggie on the ground. Now, keep in mind that I have lived in this house for 30 years, and I've cleaned and rearranged this tool shed a few times since then. I also use some foam in a can insulation around the inside top to try and stop a couple of leaks. That sounds like something. Oh, yeah. I've been using that. Oh, yeah. Anyway, I pick this baggie up, and I see what looks like a folded up money inside. Sure enough, it was. it was folded up dirty moldy money i take it out of the bag and i count it i think it was about three hundred and forty dollars i looked at the dates on the bills they were all from 1977 or earlier we've lived here since 1993 and i bought it from an older couple who lived here for quite a while before that i told my wife about it and then took uh took them into the utility room to cleaned the bills up needless to say i tore one of the hundred dollar bills in half is that needless to say my wife took it to the bank and they took it no problem by the way so that's good uh getting back to the where the heck did these come from part of the story my wife and i threw some ideas around like maybe a drug dealer or similar person tossed it into the shed temporarily or something that doesn't add up though as the bills were from 1977 or earlier my last guess was that the old guy the previous owner of the house had a secret stash forgot about it and somehow worked its way into the woodwork all those years later i'm not sure we'll ever know but i enjoyed the gift and i did not really have to worry about tracking down an owner i would not know how to get a hold of the previous owners of the house and i'm pretty sure they're no longer around that is from bill from the territories formerly known as unincorporated king county uh that would have

been a lot of money in the 70s like you know i mean presuming that's when it was put into the ziploc bag three hundred and forty dollars yeah that's a lot of dough i'm trying to do the math

here dollars 1977 money um i want to now go tear down my garage see what i can find in there it's

funny you know i think it's interesting that you are as interested in stories about finding money Or I mean, by the way, that was a great story. I'm not I'm not mad that we heard it. But the reason you are one of the least materialistic people that I know, and I really admire that about you, like I think you just you don't you know, you like to be comfortable and you like the stuff that you have to be stuff that works well for you. But you do not – I don't feel like you acquire things for the sake of acquiring them. And I get the sense that you see not having a ton of, like, encumbrances and, like, having a bunch of stuff that you're making payments on as a form of freedom that's important to you. Would that be accurate?

Yeah, I don't like carrying debt.

And so it's funny because, like, I am way more the kind of person who would, like, get overextended or, like, make bad financial decisions or whatever. You'd think I'd be the one obsessed with finding some money. I'm the one who you know Like all of my tendencies are towards like God I really need to find a bundle of money Somewhere and you are like In my experience a very content person Again in a way that I'm envious of But you also really want to find you some money

I don't maybe because it does seem Free and clear maybe it's because it's like Finding treasure not unlike the Goonies You know like I don't know

Should we go to the Goonies house in Astoria And just start digging

That's probably like 40 minutes from here oh yes it's closer to you than me certainly yeah absolutely how much i'm in washington but i'm i'm

the part of washington that's very close to oregon what do you think three hundred and forty dollars

in 1977 would be equivalent to today because i have in front of well i want to i want to say i'm

sure i'm overestimating i want to say three three thousand dollars oh you are overestimating this

is higher than i thought but nowhere near that 1665 so 1665 dollars well not in joe biden's

america have you seen what's going on with oh my goodness yeah oh my gosh check this again tomorrow it'll be 3k to all of our listeners who've been stealing copper wire could you stop oh because it's expensive to buy now well it is so expensive to buy i spent 280 today on a 50 feet of what's called 8 3 wire which is just the kind of wire you need to basically run a dryer $280 for the wire and the price is really frustrating but you know what's even more frustrating the secure

protocols now at your local home improvement store i saw this i was going to mention this to you i was in a home depot just this weekend and i saw exactly what you're describing i was shocked this is my whole life now is so yesterday my dad and i were there because we're at the stage with the studio uh and little apartment thing where we're running the wires through the walls i remember when we did that years ago when i we were making when i lived in seattle in the first house that i bought and was with my first ex who was an artist and we were wiring up the garage so she could use it as a sort of art studio and my dad just brought over the wiring and we just did it like what wire was like so inexpensive and you would just have it lying around and then you would just use it now it is like um you know it's worth its weight in copper or something there's all of this security kind of gating and stuff that has to be like one person at the store knows the combinations and they've got to undo multiple combination locks and then kind of open up this very very secure thing and then they don't hand you the wire they don't trust you to carry the wire out of the store they ask you if you're going to be doing more shopping and if you are they then go to the front of the store with the wiring so yesterday when my dad and i were there buying some stuff uh i went up and found an employee i by the way this home depot that i go to i find everyone there to be pretty nice it's not like it's some bad customer service spot but uh the i said is there anybody could help with wiring because this is like the literally the one thing in the store that you are powerless as the customer to help yourself with everything else is just you could figure it out if you had to you're staring at a wall of different pvc pipe fittings you could figure it out this is under literal lock and key So I go, can you, could we have someone meet us at the wiring? And the woman goes, I think she just went to lunch. And I was like, well, is there somebody else who knows? It's a big store. It's a Sunday. It's a Sunday at a Home Depot, and the doers are trying to get stuff done, but we need to buy the wire, and the wire is locked, so we need one of you to please unlock it. And somebody did come eventually, and, you know, it was sort of fine, although it seemed like it took a long time. And that was the frustration was these locks are very complicated and they're not like some newfangled thing where they just kind of like wave their phone at it and it like digitally knows what's up. These are literal like eight, seven, seven, two, five, like the combination lock that you have to move the numbers on the bottom of the lock to like get to the thing. And then there's two of these things for each section that needs to be opened. And so that was yesterday. Whatever. We got our stuff today. We're in the wire section. We're waiting. the guy comes back we've said to someone could you please send someone to wiring they go yes we're we're waiting my dad and i and the guy walks up but then these two other dudes kind of walk up and there's that moment of confusion which i have so much agita around

like whether i'm waiting in line for a table or i always think there's going to be a misunderstanding about who got there first and it's going to cost me time and that's exactly what happened this morning the guy kind of looked at all of us and kind of looked to these dudes Basically, these dudes hijacked the person that was coming to respond to our wiring call. Oh, yeah, yeah. And they weren't trying to do it. They weren't being jerks. They didn't know what they were doing, yeah. They didn't know what they were doing. It was just one of those things. But so then they're getting their kind of wire, and the guy is unlocking this elaborate thing for their section, and then he has the wire, and then he goes, are you going to be doing more shopping today? And they said no. And he goes, okay. And so then he looks at me and my dad Who we've now said we also need some wire And he goes okay I'll be right back And he has to walk the wire To the front He can't just give it to these two people Who appear to be I don't know what sketchy looks like But not sketchy He can't just give them the wire He has to walk the wire up to the front He's gone for easily 10 minutes He must have you know when he got to the front There must have been some other conversation Or maybe he knew where the mops are I don't know but i was just standing there and i was just thinking to me along with the fact that wiring is now very expensive it's just the time of my life the amount of time in my life that's now dedicated to standing around in the wire department my dad and i went to the went to the home depot in vancouver washington one time because we were down there and we needed to get some wire for this project we just traveled the globe buying wire at various home depots we got the guy who was the in charge of the electrical like the wires he was a character he proceeded to explain to us that he was actually an electrician or electrician depending that he actually had his degree in electrical engineering and that he hated working at home depot but he had been a a journeyman electrician and had been too physically rigorous for him but now he realized that working at home depot was even harder on his

body than being a journeyman electrician this is all stuff he's telling us as he's pulling this wire down from these big spools in this highly secure situation because you can either buy it like pre-shrink wrapped or you can buy it like in bulk like you would like you know gummy bears in the barrel at the store where there's like a scoop there's like the wire version of that where they bring it down off a giant spindle or whatever he gave us so much more information about his life than we were looking to get in that transaction so so much of my life is now dealing with trying to buy wire which is all locked up because so many people are stealing it it um first of all

i wonder how many times he tells that story in a day and if he's like me if i don't blame him by the way self like do you ever have a story like that where you realize i've told this story a million times it's like what i do if i want to like cover up kind of an awkward moment or something i just sort of default to telling the story and even though i've told it to different people in my head i know i've kind of said the same thing a million times in my life and i get embarrassed about it does that ring a bell to you do you hate yourself the way you hate me story twice oh yeah

that's a good point i don't i there's absolutely no historical precedent for me repeating stories um using the same story uh to somehow steer a conversation in some direction now i'm actually like i feel like if i was this guy and i had a degree in electrical engineering and i was pulling the wire at Home Depot by the way this isn't to say that if somebody's job is to work in the electric department of Home Depot there's anything about that that needs explaining but most of the folks doing that don't also have a degree in electrical engineering you know that's kind of like that's a whole and I know I'm saying I'm not just talking about he is an electrician I believe he actually studied electrical engineering like so I think if I had done that it'd be sort of like if i had studied if i had a like a phd in filmmaking from you know usc but i was working in the um concession uh booth at a movie theater i feel like i would want to tell everyone that i also have a degree in filmmaking like he had a lot more knowledge of electricity uh that he had studied that then he needed to necessarily like hand us a spool of of a certain kind of wire and if i were in that it'd be like if i was doing something associated with podcasting but it wasn't the hosting of it and it was i would want to constantly tell people well i did

do a podcast for like 12 years for my job if you worked at a podcast rental store like a blockbuster

or something you'd probably want to right exactly that's that's that's that's the analogy that i

was thinking oh your your line is starting to break up and it's just breaking up enough that i have to figure out like can i just say this and make it okay and use use the tape as it is and we get out of here quickly or do i have to remix the show you sound like a chipmunk to me

right now so i can only imagine what i sound like to you so yes this is a perfect time to end the program i don't know if uh if i'm sounding weird or normal now we're back to normal it was that

was a rough spot but the fact that we acknowledged it just saved me about a half hour's worth of work so thank you for that not harder sorry guys or just cut it all out we'll clean it up tomorrow No, that's all gold, though. That's all gold. Just like this is the problem with Mondays. You and I don't talk for 48 hours or whatever it is. And it's like in just you wrapping up the show, you've said seven things that I want to anecdote or talk to you about. But I won't get into it. We should just wrap it up while the line is somewhat stable now.

All right. Well, the good news is we've got an appointment tomorrow to talk once again. So I hope you all can join us for that. Until then, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. stay warm it's cold out there double up double up on your running shorts is all i can say from personal experience uh and uh have a great monday and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

so the guy goes back after and the captain It says, no, you idiot. The forward quarter belt. God, I love that one. Me too. Yeah.

Because it's so true. Oh, you're damn right it is. I mean, picture this guy at the Morris lamp halfway to the court nozzle. I can just picture that. Hilarious? Yeah, it sure is. Power out.

Thank you.