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Are you rolling? Is that how you say action? You know what, I'll just, do you say action?

You just, you know what, we're having a conversation, and ignore the cameras. I know it's hard to, because there's one right over my shoulder, and I'm looking at one here. And then the lights seem very unnatural, and they get a little warm, but just try to shut all of that out. And it's just us having a conversation like we did a half an hour ago when we met.

Can you just, do you mind saying action, just before you start? Just to, I've always wanted to be, like on the George Lopez show, I saw the behind the scenes of George Lopez, and it was on Entertainment Tonight, and before he started talking, somebody was like, action. So if you, I mean, I'm not George Lopez or anything like that, but I, if you just do it, I think it might kick it in a little bit better.

Okay. Action is usually reserved for film shoots when they do film, because it actually syncs up the sound and the film. And we're shooting video today, so we don't really need to do that. But if you insist, we could do that. Yeah, it's just one word, if you don't mind. TBTL!

Oh, snap! This comedian was crazy in the 80s with his raw and delirious routines. Jared! Oh, he's hilarious, dog. Who is Rick Moranis?

I'd like to say that I'm passionate about walking, and I'm passionate about TBTL, and I think what a great combo. I love to walk and listen to TBTL at the same time.

I think the only promotion I'm interested in is promoting you guys to generals in my friendship army. Yes, sir. You know, this is beginning to seriously undermine my self-esteem.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's a kind of magic. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. As Jay would say, he's got flow. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon.

Bring it back home, baby. Bring it back home.

Always nice to be here with the full complement of audio drops and kind of customized workspace and, of course, a maniac cat who, as Andrew and I were soundchecking, was busy literally erasing important appointments off of this huge dry erase calendar that I have. It's a 12-month calendar, and it really is the way that I'm able to – the way my brain works best is to have a sort of big visual representation of things and for me to keep all the appointments – I mean, I have an Outlook calendar too, but there's something about having everything written out on this calendar so I can see it, all the live wire events and TBTL events and things like that. it's pretty important to my sense of mental well-being and me showing up places. And I look over, and she's fully, almost fully erased an event, a LiveWire event for October 21st on a Saturday night. And so, anyway, if I don't make it to some kind of an appointment or plan or fun thing that we all have scheduled, no, it was probably that darn cat. All right, upward and onward here with episode 3,895. Let the fun begin. In a collector's series, we had our friend P. Fletch send us an article from the New York Times about podcasters. I'm a podcaster, and I care who knows it. Baby. So-called podcast bros, and the question of if you should date a podcast bro. Believe it or not, I'm a complete catch. Seems to be some strong evidence arguing against it, against dating a podcast bro. Luckily, Andrew and I are both taken, so this doesn't really affect us personally, but it is an interesting kind of, I don't know, intellectual question. Also, the Girl Scouts of America have some new cookies. They're called Raspberry Rally flavor.

I call cakes big old cookies.

And the mistake that they made, apparently, was trying to create some interest by only releasing these cookies via the Internet. They weren't the kind that were being sold, like, in front of a grocery store or door-to-door. And so then the Internet and the marketplace did what it tends to do.

This is why we can't have nice things.

And people cornered the market on raspberry rallies and are now selling them at a great markup on eBay. So we'll talk about that, too. And, hey, we'll talk to this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. This is obviously an audio product, what we're doing here. but I just want to paint a visual for you. This is this guy's...

kind of aura his vibe his look here's my sweet stash let's freaking party he's andrew walsh and

he's joining me right now good morning my friend good morning luke i have to tell you that um when we get to the break later on in the show maybe 15 minutes from now maybe 42 minutes from now hard to say with this show maybe an hour and 42 maybe an hour and 42 minutes if we have a real stem winder but um i'm gonna need to run up i have a mystery water problem in my kitchen going on right now i'm hoping that it's not a leak i don't know is genevieve is genevieve texting you about

this situation is that how you're uh finding out about it no i'm finding out about it because i

got up at seven o'clock to feed the cats they insisted upon it as i told you before the show there was no there was no negotiating that time that well there was some negotiations in that they wanted me to feed them at 6 a.m. based on the noise they were making outside. Kittens! Inspired by kittens!

I was saying to you, I've been suffering the same issue with Bubbles, and the problem is Bubbles has no job. She has literally no life. So it's very asymmetric when she wants to stand outside my door and meow, and I'm like, it's a battle of wills. I lose, because she has nowhere to be, and nothing to do. So it's very unfair. It's a war

of attrition, and she's got nothing but attrition. Uh-huh. And she's all out of things to do. She's all out of atrites. Anyway, so I got up around 7 a.m., fed the cats, and I noticed that there's a long line of water that's, you know, like a little bit of a puddle. It's not tons of water, but it does stretch from. Did you taste it, see if it was pee? I did. It stretched from, like, the refrigerator to the sink, and I'm going to say that's going to be about maybe, I don't know, five feet or something like that. And I wipe it up. I do worry that it could be, like, some sort of protest pee. like the cats were pretty riled up they wanted to be fed at six i push it back to seven which is the rightful time um you know sometimes if they get too excited especially the older anxious cat

she'll find a corner and poop in it or something what was that sorry that's just the cat just um i moved to the chair so she can't erase any more of my dates and so she decided to try to

jump on the calendar it didn't work oh i see interesting anyway so i had the same worry i'm I'm like, oh, no, is this pee? But I wipe it up with a white paper towel, very kind of carefully looking at it and inspecting it. It's not pee. I'm pretty convinced of that. And then I just, like, I kind of wipe it up. I feed the cats. I'm like, you know what? I mean, I was. I have these very awkward ice cube trays that I make my special round ice cubes in, which I know it's not a cube if it's round. Just lay off. Not you. Just to one lay off.

Anyway, so I was like, well, one time.

So I was like, you know, maybe I dripped some water here last night. and then i'm like that doesn't make sense though it would have evaporated overnight but whatever like just don't worry about it and i go back to bed and then i wake up around eight and uh i mentioned to be of the water she's like oh i just wiped some water up too and i'm like huh that's funny because i cleaned that up this morning she's like well maybe you missed it glasses weren't on i'm bleary eyed feeding the cats you know whatever um but now i am worried that because i'm trying thing there was like a third time in there too where i was like wait a second are we cleaning up the same water this water is being created somewhere but it's not like coming from the refrigerator right well it doesn't seem the most or the freezer that's what it seems like the thing is really old um but it doesn't seem to be the line does not seem to connect to the refrigerator and freezer it's like kind of start now it could be that it's like it's such a trickle coming out that it's pooling in other areas that's a possibility i mean here's my hope and i don't think this is the case my hope is that maybe i dropped an ice cube somewhere last night and maybe like that kind of melted and that's why it like took a while to melt turn into water i mean that's what i'm not teaching a master's class here but that's what happens when ice melts it turns into water and then it didn't have time to evaporate maybe andrew nye the science guy slow down poindexter anyway um so i don't know i'm really hoping that ice cube theory uh is uh is is what winds out here today but i will let you know but i'm somewhat anxious about this and so i want to go upstairs during the break and kind of see if more water has accumulated because if it has

ice cube theory is out the window i was worried that you noticed there was a water issue because it was dripping down into your studio from up above and i would say you might not want to wait

for the break oh my god on that one don't even don't even don't even say that don't even conjure that now i'm looking up i'm looking at my ceiling waiting for it to start dripping on me

i i know that i delved far too deep into home construction talk yesterday but one of the things that i had to do uh on sunday night and actually monday morning because i ran out of these things called like nail plates and they're it's like a flat piece of metal and this is before they put up the drywall so you just have Thank you.

the studs that are exposed and then the insulation. You've got to go around to every place where there are water lines or electrical or like, you know, basically like Romex, the kind of electrical cable or wire that's in your wall. And you have to nail one of these nail plates over the stud so that when the drywall guys are going around, they don't run a screw into either your power or your water. and the the problem was i my dad had done part of it and i had done some of it and then i was going to finish it up and then they insulated and so this they sprayed foam in um which is really cool actually it's amazing it's like a very energy efficient alien attacked the future tbtl studio it's like that scene in aliens where there's goo everywhere but it's perfectly placed in all of the rafters and you know but it totally covers and and sort of covers up all of the wiring and the plumbing so i then was going around trying to follow you know where the other nail plates were and like air on the side of of putting too many up and that's why i was making multiple trips to home depot yesterday morning because all i could imagine was all of this work getting all set up and then paying all this money for the insulation and the drywall and then just a screw going right into a water line and then just water just pooling up inside my beautiful new walls because a water line got pierced and it was just like it was keeping me up on sunday night is that how we

find studs with a stud finder because it's magnetic it's finding the nail protection plates

i don't think so because i bet you not everybody uses them also if you were to run the electrical and the plumbing really far into the stud you could it would probably be safe from the screw but here's the other thing i have never and this is foreshadowing for the new york times piece about pod bros i've never successfully found a stud andrew hmm really like yeah those things never work for me the little guy that beeps i mean sometimes it works but it's very i mean quite literally hit and miss like it's for whatever reason maybe i had you know there was something up with the walls in the various homes i've had or it was the stud finder that you know i'd buy those kind of guy that beeps and then it you know when it gets over the stud it's supposed to like kind of go solid and then you know where the stud is i swear it was not very reliable the ones that i've had and it must have been something to do with the particular

kind of walls that i had yeah i don't do a lot of that you know genevieve does all the hanging of things in our family i was just talking to somebody about this the other day too and i like i really appreciate it like but anything that's been hung in our homes over the years with the exception of air plants which only take a tiny little finishing screw genevieve has hung like from you know like you know framed pictures and posters or what have you to right now she's installing the final piece of hardware in the basement bathroom which is the toilet paper holder um she anything that requires finding studs or not using studs and putting in like drywall screws yeah anchors um she's always done that i was just telling somebody it's like it's a little bit like like i feel like i need to do it with her she i need to have the dynamic where she's teaching me how to do it because i am at a loss of how to do those things and she just i don't know if she likes doing it or she just likes getting things done um and so it's just like a skill set that i completely don't have and that i'm irrationally not afraid of but we'll just say afraid for lack of a better word and and to really emphasize that we are not your average uh podcast bros i will go on a limb here and say i am afraid of hanging things in a house because i've not

learned properly how to do it are i don't want to over gender things i thought you were going to say you and jenny we're not the average couple in terms of the what we would call the traditional gender roles which is of course a great thing for your relationship i would say these pod bros that are described in this new york times piece are are not they're not necessarily i don't see them hanging their own posters either or oh i know pictures there's there are a certain kind of i mean we could just get into it we don't usually do this but i mean should we since we're just talking about it like it this is this piece in the in the new york times uh would you date a podcast bro written by somebody named gina cherilis um and uh it it it sort of details a woman named tazane or tazan roberson a student at cal state university northridge uh was approaching a one one year of on again off again dating with a co-worker when she came to a realization that she would eventually announce to her followers on twitter my biggest mistake in life so far was dating a man with a podcast mrs roberson began seeing him in december of 2021 he was 35 at the time and had dreams of being a social media influencer she recalled they both worked at an amazon warehouse near her home in lancaster uh these

The situationship as, by the way, I think I saw a term the other day that was like imagineship, which I think is when you really want to be in a relationship with someone, but they're not reciprocating, but you're imagining what it would be like. And it's like your imaginationship or something, which I thought was kind of clever. Actually, I've been in a few of those. Oh, my God. She says things were fine when they were together, so long as Mrs. Roberson didn't think about those extracurriculars till one day he sent her a link to his show inviting her to listen and share her thoughts this right here andrew is also where that bro and our lives and our and our podcast which really diverges like i can't imagine ever suggesting to anyone that they listen to this podcast which would explain why it still remains a pretty boutique product yeah it's the idea that you would be like i've got my podcast and i'm trying to get this girl this situationship of mine to listen to it that is that's hard for me to even understand the motivation there's a million

things that are difficult for me to imagine myself dating in 2023 because i didn't date a lot when i was like single and of that age i'm and also i've been in a relationship for 20 some years now so and also i'm just not a dating type i think but having said all of that if i wasn't like if i was dating somebody getting to know them um there's just no way in the world i'd ever i mean it would come up that i do this thing for my job and they would probably want to listen to it they would you know like who wouldn't probably sleuth it out or maybe it would be somebody like the person in the story who says you know what maybe that's like kind of a good boundary for us like i don't need to listen to my uh the person i'm dating i don't need to listen to their band or their podcast or whatever that might be fine too but never in a million years would i be getting to know somebody and say here's a link to my emailing them a link to my podcast i think you're gonna like this one

are you shitting me bury that what i feel like is there it's it's generational like i don't think you know we're in our mid-40s i i think that i'm not saying there aren't a lot of guys like us who have podcasts but i do think that there's a certain generational thing where there's a lot of guys in their like mid-20s who are all kind of trying to do a version of like uh barstool sports or nelk boys or friday beers or whatever where that's a lot of guys that are kind of hipsters and they have like the kind of rolled up like beanie teeny weenie beanie as they did a skit on fallon one time fallon and paul rudd did a whole song you know that rolled up beanie hat that a lot of the guys in urban places really seem to like i'm sure you've seen that guy on capitol hill they're kind of everywhere now um either i feel like there's a lot of guys doing a podcast a lot of guys who kind of appear that way sitting around in a room with their buddies on these kind of microphones that you and I are talking on but in a real like relaxed kind of living room environment and everyone's got like a mic and they're just talking about whatever they're talking about that's a whole kind of vibe and I think it's a whole mid to late 20s vibe we're in sort of a different weird category which is like we're kind of too old to be doing this but somehow it's actually our job

and we do it five days a week yeah but I mean this article is also I mean I saw that I saw like kind of like the headline with the little art i saw the little badge i was reading some new york times article yesterday morning and i i saw the little kind of like you know it's like a bright red square with a classic looking podcasting microphone on and it just says would you date a podcast bro it catches the eye really quickly and i thought there's no way in hell i'm clicking on that because i knew it would be it'd just be like a bunch of generalizations and this isn't me like

are you saying our friend phyllis fletcher professional news judger has bad news judgment

no I mean I think didn't she when she sent it to us did she said I'm sure a million people already sent this to you and as of right now a million people haven't but I think as it makes the rounds we will continue to have people send this to us we'll be like hey you know we listen to that show and two men host it and like there's a lot of jokes about that we've even played some intro tape that was sent to us about like hey I'm a guy I only know certain things I'm a guy I only know certain things let's start a podcast like I know that's a thing but this article touches on it that It's like as much as the New York Times and no offense to anybody who used to work there or sent us this article, the New York Times does these trend pieces that are like all smoke, no fire and often know that they're kind of troll hat, no cattle, all hat, no hipster. I think that like the New York Times knows how to troll its specific readership really well, like whether it's like kind of the class issue things or the woman who was, quote unquote, house poor and couldn't just hop on a plane for an Italian lunch in Italy anymore, you know, because she bought a because she bought some mansion on. was it queen anne or something like i did not imagine but the new york times knows exactly how to like sort of sum up like certain kinds of people in the zeitgeist and sort of try to put a bow on it but the thing is it's like what is it what does a podcast mean right they quote somebody in here who's like well i used to work for npr and i worked on some npr or some

public radio podcast and now i do this other thing i just call myself an audio engineer and it's like yeah like if what we were doing was radio producer or audio producer it's like if you and i like we're doing this exact show but it happened to be on cairo which this used to be like we wouldn't be

kind of grouped in with this i i go back and forth i totally hear what you're saying and the new york times is notorious for writing trend pieces uh because like they got three people to say that you know yeah i eat the orange peel oh people are to eat the orange peel it's the new thing like really okay well three people said they'd do it and also you're right killing the insides of oranges right millennials are skipping the inside of the orange for the peel right like that's the trend piece but so that definitely happens and also you're right they're very good at kind of low low-key i could hey i could host a cool podcast i say things like low-key trolling andrew um They they're also very good at at writing catchy headlines and catchy ideas for stories that will kind of get picked up in the Twitter and wherever else kind of updraft of people talking about them a lot. and I'm looking at the Twitter feed for Gina Cherlis and the link to her story has been liked. Oh, I guess it's been looked at 6,000 times. It's only been liked 40 times. But even so, it's like, I'm agreeing with you that the New York Times is very adept at kind of tapping into something that's going to get people talking, whether or not that something is a real thing. That being said, I do think, and I should actually ask Addy this, although addy is also aging out of this demo andrew which is really really doesn't make me feel young but like i do think it is an interesting thing that the podcasting is so widespread and again amongst a certain kind of dude and i my view of this is very much shaped by tiktok because a lot of the content i see on tiktok is there's two bears one cave now the guys that do two bears one cave are our age it's like a guy named burke kreischer and a guy named tom segura but like and then there's like uh you know um theo vaughn has a podcast and bobby lee has a podcast there's all these kind of like guys sitting around a room having a podcast and by the way when they say podcast it means video which tells you how old i am i think of a podcast as being this where i have to explain to people that you have a sweet stash and you want a party because i can't see you like podcasts for the younger generation is it might mean video as much as it means audio right like that's the other thing but i guess my point is i do think that there's a decent chance that addy if addy goes on a date in seattle with a certain kind of guy wearing a certain kind of rolled up beanie and wearing like john lennon kind of round framed glasses it's probably a 50 50 shot that guy has a podcast which is an interesting is kind of an interesting thing like let me just put it this way uh uh women and again i'm just going to gender this because i guess it's kind of the way it's set up in the story but i mean it doesn't have to specifically be women dating men but like a woman of 20 years ago there was a much lower chance that a guy she went on a date with would be trying to send her a link to his podcast like i do think there's a statistically significant increase in the number of certain

kinds of guys that have podcasts now yeah certainly i mean a lot has changed i mean there's so much again i know that i've always acted old and i don't mean like oh i'm an old soul or whatever i mean i've always been like kind of a a crank anyway i guess and so i feel like i'm always maybe a little bit out of touch with what's happening in pop culture now that i'm legitimately middle-aged and probably acting like a 76 year old while i live the life of a 46 year old don't even get me started on kicksy radio starting to play songs from 1989 oh i'm sorry can we talk about

that after the break i'm not saying we have to go to the break but since we moved a top story up that was i was you had me legitimately concerned because of your initial contact like you sent me your opening kind of text on that subject i can't remember exactly what it said but i remember kind of stopping what i was doing and being like oh uh is everything okay um but anyway we'll go back

we'll go i want to i'll look up the texts uh in the next segment but anyway so obviously i'm you know i've never been a part of selfie culture i've never been a part of like whatever culture like tiktok culture certainly anything like that like i feel like they i'm not saying that what the new york times is writing about here is totally made up obviously it's part of a phenomenon but it's also part of a phenomenon where everybody is creating some sort of content and what they're doing is they're saying that there's this type of and they they are the ones who are gendering it like there is this type of bro and somebody even mentions in here like it's it's it's more modeled on the kind of like even if even if we see ourselves as progressive but very bro-y like whatever that means i've never they profile a guy named logan I'm sorry. mendoza who's one of the four hosts of something called sweet talks a video podcast on youtube and he said uh he described the show as mostly guy talk and debate right exactly and that's a

thing too i was just talking to a friend a couple of days ago about this there's a certain kind of guy um and we're friends with some of these people who really think like debate and arguing is the end all and be all towards reaching the truth or whatever and i don't i don't think that's true i I think there was a time when I when I did have I had like my friend Paul, like he and I, we our entertainment as young men would be to debate things just kind of casually. But we always slip into this mode. And then now I don't really like that. And I kind of I think I sort of grew out of that. But like and, you know, there's a lot of like when you think of the bro sector of podcasts, you're thinking about people, the things that are inspired by the Rogans of the world or the bar stools of the world, as you said, that might have a hipster look. But do dip a little bit towards misogyny and and putting everything into a gender box of one way or another, because we're guys talking. And like, I just don't. And again, I don't I'm acting like I'm on trial here. Like, clearly what we do is not that. But also. Right. Exactly.

Like this couldn't other than the fact that nebulous. Well, I was going to say other than the fact other than the fact that we are hosting a podcast, this couldn't have less to do with us. I just mean because we're not young enough for anyone at The New York Times to care what our dating habits are. we don't really identify in the world as podcasters like it just and yet i'm taking it as like a somehow a personal a conversation about me as a person and like i other than the fact that we do a podcast this we might as well be delivering the mail or something like this is so a different world than we exist in um but i will also mention that like it feels like they kind of ran out of steam on the piece because like maybe the third person who's profiled you know we talk about these trend pieces kind of going in threes somebody named raymond pang a 31 year old podcast producer and sound designer who works mostly on science shows said he had never personally experienced romantic reject rejection because of his profession in fact he said it was often a point of entry into conversation which is like wow so he you found that there was a hashtag on like tiktok or something that was um hashtag men with podcasts i think you found maybe two people who had dated pod bros and were like i won't do that again and then you found a guy who just kind of works in audio is like i don't know nobody seems to care that much and in fact maybe it's a conversation starter like there wasn't there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of there

there yeah I agree this was one um and I don't want to this is a it looks like kind of a style and lifestyle reporter and I don't want to I don't want to beat up the person who wrote this um but like honestly I got to the end of it and I did that thing um I was reading it on my phone and you know there are big blocks of ads or like promos for other stories or you know stuff that the uh magazine or newspaper wants you to click on while you're reading and you get to the bottom i thought there was more is basically what i'm getting at here i got to like the the links at

the bottom there was a bunch of other podcast related and i kept scrolling the article i kept

scrolling yes exactly i kept scrolling past i'm like when does the article continue and i was like oh the article's over like that line i read up there was the last one it just did and now here's the thing like i i agree that this couldn't be less about us in a lot of ways but i do think that people will even people who like this show and listen to the show and know it well will see this headline and send it to us because we're guys with a podcast you know and they want

to date us and of course most people because of our because of our legendary uh good looks and charisma and my brain they often say i'm cool up here yeah listeners up here yeah i think how

you greet most listeners at live events they say it's so smart the way you pretend not to remember words it's like that's what i find attractive about you it's honestly very humanizing of you oh yeah it puts people at ease that's a real gift yeah exactly it's disarming now uh could

the new york times andrew do the level of journalism we're going to do after the break where we talk about girl scout cookies on ebay i mean your move new york times your move old

gray lady yeah is you know is there new york times reporter upstairs in my kitchen right now checking out the water situation? I don't think so.

You know, we call that enterprise journalism, my friend.

Boot leather reporting. Okay, so let's do that.

Let's take a break. You go check on the water situation, and then we'll continue on with TBTL here on a Tuesday.

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It's our friend Candy Schroeder out there in Chicago, Illinois. Andrew.

Hello, Candy. I still have your hot dog pin.

One of the best things about the show is the introduction to talented tens. I would agree, Candy. Not so much talented hosts, but definitely talented tens. In the last year, one of our fellow tens, Sarah, has opened Magpie Mouse Studios at Pike Place Market. I don't think I knew that was a brick and mortar. I've been hearing, I think I'm followed on Instagram by Magpie Mouse, And some other folks have mentioned it here and there I didn't realize it was in Pike Place Market Huzzah!

I know, very huzzah Let's see some Magpie Mouse Studios Throw in some fishes before a Monday night football game What do you say?

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oh my god i'm on the website this yeah it's their new space at pike place market it is beautiful it's upstairs you know how there's all the the kind of shops and that warren kind of a warren of shops and stuff inside pike place market only of shops yes exactly oh that's cute look at that isn't that amazing that's great yeah it's like tiffany blue oh my gosh adorable this is what success looks like everybody honestly i think genevieve would love this stuff, Andrew.

I'm going to forward her the link. I hear she's got a birthday coming up this week. Yeah, maybe you should forward me the link and not her. What do you think of that? Well, I want her to get something she wants, so I forward it to her, and then she tells you.

She can return what I get her. Yeah, okay, gotcha.

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Hey, we've got to thank Dazzling Donor Steve Lee out there in Shelton, Connecticut. Steve says, I'm not really sure what to talk about here, but I'm just leaving the pharmacy having just paid $60 for medical grade laxatives. God, I already love this Dazzling Donor message. I can't wait to start S-ing my brains out in preparation for my first colonoscopy. Andrew, did you pick this because yesterday at the suggestion of our friend Phyllis Fletcher, who's getting a lot of air time lately, a lot of air time for P. Fletch, she was more or less demanding that we promise to get colonoscopies this year, you and I, because of our age. Is this in any way related to that, or is this just the natural aging of our demo?

I am somebody, Luke, who tries to live my life with as few regrets as possible. But one regret that will always haunt me will be that I did not see Steve's dazzling donor message yesterday because I would have paired it with Phyllis's. It would have been absolutely perfect. A long note from Phyllis Fletcher encouraging us to get our colonoscopies followed by a dazzling donor message from Steve saying that he just bought a bunch of pills so he can get his colonoscopy. I really wish I could have paired those together.

When was the last time you shit your pants? It's been a while.

But I didn't.

Well, so we were able to talk about it two days in a row, your favorite topic. That's true, though. At least we were able to spread the message out, yeah. So to speak. Steve says, that's probably a fun topic to discuss. It is, Steve. Take care of your health is how Steve signs it off. Well, I'm guessing that Steve, I hope he's done with the procedure. I'm presuming this was sent in a while ago, like not this morning. And I hope it went well, Steve. Any tips and tricks for us, the folks who have not yet opened that medical portal to science and to the – it's a camera, right? That's what they use for that whole project, for that whole situation. I believe it's some kind of – what do you call that? Not arthroscopic. Is that what that's called when they use a camera? Arthroscopic surgery is when they – that's like usually in your knee or something, right? But what do they call it when they use a camera to go check things out?

Is there a, I've heard that, I have trouble saying that, arthroscopic, I have trouble saying that word, I've heard that, I don't know if that's a generic term for any camera that goes into your body, I don't know.

You hear it a lot in the. sports um things because somebody's getting arthroscopic surgery to see like you know if their knee injury is real bad the internet says uh it's a procedure for diagnosing and treating joint problems so there you go okay unless if you have a joint in your medical portal you got to see a whole different doctor something else is going really wrong for you a surgeon inserts a narrow tube attached to a fiber optic video camera through a small incision about the size of a buttonhole the view inside your joint is transmitted to a high definition video monitor i remember i had a actually a teacher and also a dear friend named gare dollin rest in peace who was my friend joe's dad but he was also a teacher at our school and he was just like the best guy he taught me how to play guitar he would always come and play basketball with us just one of the kind of most gentle souls i ever met really loved the guy but he got a knee surgery once and he was really obsessed with trying to let me watch the video of it because they give you the video when you go home and I was like Mr. Dolan I do not like I hung out at their house all the time you know so it wasn't like at school he's trying to hand me a VHS tape like hey do you want to see the surgery you want to see the knee I was like absolutely not under any circumstances they use a colonoscope

in a colonoscopy which they don't use the word camera they call it a tube-like instrument used Well, I mean, honestly, you don't want to use that for anything else.

That colonoscope, you don't want to mix that up with the one that they put down your esophagus at all. You want to really keep those tools separately. Anyway, Steve, hope everything went well with that. Thank you for yet another reminder that Andrew and I need to get that whole thing going. And also thank you so much for supporting TBTL. We really would not be here without you. hello and welcome to top story all right andrew i mean can you can you verify can you give me some 411 i'm dying to know what's going on with the uh you know you like to get wet though situation

upstairs that you just checked on uh we have a leak under the sink jennavee had discovered this while i was recording the first part of tbtl i don't think it's going to be a big deal i don't even know if i'm gonna have to buy any more hardware it might just be that i need to tighten some things up under there jennavee installed a newish um well she installed a new uh faucet in that kitchen sink maybe about six months ago or something um and so i'm guessing that maybe some things just weren't tightened enough uh one of them one of the little uh fasteners felt like kind of finger tight to me so i'll do that it might be buying some new hardware some washers but i don't think it's going to be anything beyond that so they're so it's not going to be you don't have to buy a new refrigerator no i mean i well let me answer that in two different ways yes i have let me answer your question with a question in the talmudic tradition i um actually i recorded a hey dummies video in my kitchen yesterday for this coming friday's newsletter and i did even give a warning i said at some point this refrigerator is going to kick on like the the motor is going to kick on and you will hear it because this is a refrigerator from the height of the grunge era it has stickers and paperwork on the back saying that it was in a band that

almost opened for screaming trees if the bass player wouldn't have gone to Ellensburg for the

weekend and now it's a noise band of one because it kicks on and it's a very loud thing and I think it's from 95 am I exaggerating maybe it's from 97 or something like that so yes we are in a certain way like Genevieve we've been waiting we've been waiting for the news that we have to replace that thing like one of these days we're just going to open it and it's going to be dead inside you know like like me um or it's just gonna or we're gonna have water on you also really kind of peaked in the 90s so there's a lot of similarities i really did man that was my era now uh when you mentioned

the refrigerator being from the grunge era it reminded me of something that happened the other day at the apple store becca was getting a new phone and so we went to the apple store in like downtown portland and i mean you know a lot of the folks that work at the apple store are really young and we were she was transferring everything from like the old phone to the new phone it's kind of takes a while so we were just kind of making small talk with the the person who was doing the transfer and that person said oh where'd you grow up and i said well seattle mostly and then they said like and again this person might have been like 22 oh were you there for grunge which is funny because it's it's it's got to be kind of like asking you know you meet an older person and you're like do you remember when the beatles were on ed sullivan you know like or meeting

maybe somebody from san francisco and being like were you there for the hate ashbury day right like yeah exactly summer of love or whatever you call it but i just the idea that grunge like the grunge

movement the mid-90s or whatever is it's so far in the rearview mirror i mean it's so many well Is that 30 years ago, basically, almost? I mean, it's a long, long time ago. And then the person who we were talking to said... um oh do you know one of the i said yeah i lived in seattle at that time and i was really into it i thought it was so cool that all this music that was popular was coming from like the town that i lived in and this person said did you ever like go see nirvana and i said i didn't see them but their guitar tech lived on my street which is a true story and i used to see not so much kurt cobain but like dave growl and chris nova selic a lot on my street because they were going to this guy's house and um so i told them that and then they said something like oh you know so and so his band like opened for nirvana or something like that or he basically it was like one of those things where it was something that would have been pretty cool if it were true and maybe it was true but it also for some reason it felt like the kind of thing that a lot of people who were in some kind of band in seattle in the mid 90s i'm sure everyone has a story of a near miss you know we were almost signed by this label or we were like you know uh i got asked by so and so to play with this band or whatever and i was asking a few more follow-up questions and then the person who was helping us said well i can just go get them and ask them and i was like no it's fine because i didn't want to catch this person in some kind of weird i don't want to say lie but maybe exaggeration or like if they said the name of their band and i had never heard of I don't know. I just thought, like, there's a person my age walking around this Apple store telling younger people that they opened for Nirvana one time. And I don't want to get into the details. Right. I don't want to because I don't want to because I'll be like, oh, was it at the Velvet Elvis? Oh, was it that one? Because I actually have a I wouldn't say like a in-depth knowledge, but like a fairly a semi deep knowledge of what was going on at that time because I was obsessed with it. And I just didn't want to catch this person in an exaggeration. I just wanted everything to go on as it had been.

also this scenario sounds potentially especially fraught but generally speaking i never want to be part of a conversation where somebody says okay i got him now tell the story i don't want to be the person who's asked to tell the story and i don't want to be the person who's asked to hear the story getting somebody from another room you're really in the right business getting somebody from another room to tell tell the story tell the story it is always the most awkward way of hearing or telling a story I remember when I was at home I mean you know I love my family they're very kind to me but I was home in Cleveland I'm trying to think if it was the I don't think it was my last visit so it was probably maybe you know several years ago before the pandemic and um I was at my parents house we're all just chilling and and like you know a bunch of like kind of my dad's siblings were over and their uh spouses or whatever and there was some story it was probably tbtl related it was some maybe it was something about the maybe us going hitchhiking or something story of your cool friend luke yeah exactly cool friend luke is what i call you nobody can eat 50 podcasts anyway but uh anyway i just remember being like so put off like i you probably could have seen the anger squiggles coming off of me because you know i don't do well like in a presentation format okay Andrew now tell the story of hitchhiking everybody be quiet and it really was one of those moments and you know I hope I'm not calling my family too much it was totally out of love but I remember just sitting there being like I was you know 40 years old 41 years old whatever it was at the time and just feeling like this the stampy seven-year-old that I was when I was shoving my my hands over my ears while people saying happy birthday to me I didn't want that kind of attention thrust on me okay everybody Andrew's gonna tell the story now

oh not for me I've I'm only that's interesting to me because I would just imagine that doing this so much and having your own actual radio show on a commercial radio station five days a week that you would have just kind of like gotten more used to that kind of attention just from

your like professional stuff yeah but even that's different first of all I do this show i forget that people hear it you know and we've kind of talked about that before fewer and fewer people do every day so that's good but even still i would even say well no i mean i guess in in a situation like this podcast there are times when you say well andrew will tell us what happened with the leak in your kitchen or something but i don't know there's just something about being in a room full of people um and everybody's saying oh andrew's gonna tell the story now everybody hushed down or again vice versa like i don't want to be in the room when somebody else is doing that as well the funny thing is is like we don't have to get into this like we should just move on to more interesting top stories but um i do have a personality that might be slightly more look at me louis as they say in the parlance of the dan lebitard show than i would like to admit like i guess you know i always consider myself somebody who liked to be behind the scenes i like being a producer not a host that was never my goal to be on the radio i never thought like i had sort of a birthright to be on the radio this way a lot of like kind of successful broadcasters do feel like that was their goal and that's what

they achieved um but there i do look back at times when like we were launching a new radio show i was the producer and the host was you know giving a presentation to major donors or something and i remember like afterwards she was like any questions and i said yes tell us more about this cool producer that you have working with you or something like i found my way of like wiggling into conversations and getting that spotlight on me in ways that maybe but in a way that was felt okay to you and self-deprecating in a way and so i need to acknowledge that i might have a little bit of that but it is always like on my own terms and it's at least like at least seemingly um self-deprecating like you know and maybe deep down if i examine it maybe i am somebody who wants all eyes on me at all times i don't think that's the case but i certainly don't do well when people

are putting that on me it's funny because i had that almost exact situation that you're describing um where i was in a group setting and i was out with people and it was actually like a sort of a quasi-professional setting uh where somebody that um i sort of work with was was we were at a bar and it was people i'm trying to be vague because there's a five percent chance that this could get back to the to the people involved but also i actually don't mind that sort of attention or at least it certainly doesn't bother me but somebody called me over and said literally like tell the story of this well yeah and also and and i think this is going to sound like i'm basically that i can't remember if they said it before i told the story or after probably before they were like this is why i think you're like a really good storyteller like literally like it was something where can you imagine that amount of pressure like you're at a bar there's five people you don't know standing around there's one person you do know they've called you over tell the story of this and then something to the effect of like he's a really good storyteller which i may or may not be but like that's about as that's like you got you really have nowhere to go but down from there

right and so i told beans i could talk about beans all day what does he say big fat juicy beans

don't get me talking about beans i'll be liable to talk until sunup that was the story i told it It was the story of the time I had some big, fat, juicy beans.

You do tell that story really well.

All right. This is actually, I have to be honest with you, there's a little more to this story than I expected, the story of these Girl Scout cookies that are selling on eBay at a kind of like an inflated price. They're called Raspberry Rally. They were released February 27th. I guess that the Girl Scouts of America were trying to think of a kind of a new cookie to do this year and so they came up with this thing that it's like a thin mint but instead it's got a raspberry flavor inside i've looked at a picture it looks almost like maybe it's like a raspberry jam kind of thing looks good to me man i mean sure i don't like look i don't think there's any girl scout cookie that doesn't look tasty to me pretty much oh i don't i don't like the coconut ones oh yeah i mean the thing for me is i just i this is okay where do you take a lot of stories uh to not wanting people to sing happy birthday to you and where do i take all of my stories to growing up without a lot of money i think i grew up in a household thinking that a box of girl scout cookies cost roughly 120 dollars like if you would have if i would ask my parents like hey how many girl scout cookie boxes can i sign us up for it'd be like zero how about negative five how about we have no money what are you thinking like i grew up thinking girl scout cookies were the most fancy thing and and also never having them so i don't fetishize them i don't care about them my nieces have them i buy them from my nieces this is the by the way maddie and mary i don't care about girl scout cookies just heads up wow but i but i will buy them and i will give them to people who care about them um but like uh they all seem kind of tasty to me and like i guess if somebody handed me one i would eat it um uh so these ones look pretty yummy but what happened was they wanted to kind of i guess create some excitement around these cookies and so they're only available they were only available online i think it was like february 27th wait yeah february 27th or something was like when you could go online and buy these and um so of course what happened they immediately sold out and you can't get them anymore and now people are selling them on ebay and what's kind of interesting about that is that now ebay has had to weigh in on the story so the um girl scouts of america have described the reselling of these boxes of cookies on ebay some that are going for as much as 1500 over asking price according to the uh washington post um the girl scouts of america say that they are disappointed to see this happening the cookies usually sell for five bucks a box so somewhere north of 150 dollars is what i thought they were as a kid or somewhere south of that rather um while we are happy to see this is from the girl scouts of america while we're happy to see there's such a strong demand for our cookies year over year uh why why do they always why does can we just why do the pr people of america always have to they can't miss a chance to just throw in some kind of corporate

speak even the girl scouts of america like while we're happy to see such a strong demand for our cookies year over year that continue to delight our audiences like why do you have that's not That's like such a corporate construction, right? Why do you have to mention the strong demand year over year? That's just PR right there, right?

I guess. I'm also kind of trying to figure out if this really is bad.

Oh, you think this is all... You think that maybe the... You think the Girl Scouts of America would actually plan to get some earned media on this whole thing?

I'm just asking questions.

Should I have put this in our earned media spotlight?

No, I don't think that. I'm just wondering, though, is it bad? I mean because what am I doing right now I'm not saying that this is a fabrication I believe that I mean this is exactly Where we are as a culture right now Like Girl Scout cookies didn't realize I think that or the Girl Scout cookie Model I don't think the organization Realized how well They're right it works

Too well they wanted there to be some hype But they didn't want it to become like you Know like a limited Release Jordan like sneaker Drop or some shit where it like immediately Goes you know increases in price by an order of magnitude this is what the girl well hold on let me because that

isn't what i was going to say what i was going to say was i don't think the girl scouts of america realized early on just how well suited they would be for the 2023 culture when it comes to limited edition things this is something that they were out in front of for years and like we would get excited for it because it was a limited supply right and now of course we live in an era where massive companies like McDonald's or whatever kind of realize that limited supply runs of things is I mean McDonald's was doing with the shamrock shake a long time ago but we also have companies that are discontinuing products like my beloved barbecue chips and then bringing them back because we've been craving them for so long then they get this big media splash about it like the Girl Scouts have been doing this for so long well before our culture was obsessed with this kind of thing so them releasing a limited edition cookie that was only available online was i don't think it was intended to go this way but it was like it was just so primed to take off on like some sort

of a gray market huh uh they say we're saddened that the platforms and the sellers are disregarding the core mission of the cookie program and are looking to make a profit off the name without supporting our mission and the largest girl-led entrepreneurship program in the world on monday an ebay spokesperson said that while the company supports quote the entrepreneurial spirit of hard-working local girl scout troops and encourages quote cookie seekers to also support their local girl scouts the listings do not violate its policies so ebay is like sorry but uh people are allowed to sell these cookies at a great markup um the uh this is uh this is another thing the girl scout this girl scout seemed genuinely again and i know you're not arguing that this is like the M&M thing or something where they're in on it. But if they were, they're certainly putting up a pretty good face that they're not excited about this. The Girl Scouts of America also said, cookies that are bought through resellers, troops are deprived of valuable experience and more importantly, proceeds that fund critical programming throughout the year, the Girl Scouts said in a statement. The organization said, instead cookie lovers could and should be using that money to support girls by buying the many other varieties or by supporting the program through donations.

Hold on. I thought I read this article. I didn't read that entire statement. And what you just said confuses me a little bit. It said, like, the secondary market selling of these things is depriving the Girl Scouts of something. Because, I mean, these cookies weren't stolen, right? These cookies were bought at face value at some point. Like, why was that depriving anybody of anything?

I think that's a misunderstanding, not on your part, But on the Girl Scouts corporate, I think it's a misunderstanding of an economic principle, which is if they sold the box of cookie for six bucks, they got the six bucks. Yeah. Now, if somebody else sold it for 50 bucks, that's not, you know, 44 bucks that the Girl Scouts were otherwise going to get.

Yes. It was never a cookie system. Yeah. It was never an auction.

Maybe they should. Maybe that's what they should be doing. But under the current system, I think the Girl Scouts got the it's sort of that Trader Joe's thing. Remember that crazy story out of the Bellingham Trader Joe's, which coincidentally ended up being literally down the street from my house? Pirate Joe's. Pirate Joe, this guy from Canada, would come down and send in these kind of like workers and buy up massive amounts of stuff from the Trader Joe's in Bellingham, Washington, and then drive it back up to Canada and sell it at his place. And it was the, you know, the Trader Joe's.

was kind of mad about it because it was sort of it was in a way making it so that you know then the people that lived in bellingham and went to the store they wouldn't have as you know great of an inventory but it really raised the question he is paying for it like you sell it he's buying it what he does with it later kind of is his business also my brother sam was i believe one of the people assigned to be on the lookout for pirate joe people which i think is kind of hilarious

my brother sam worked at that trader joe's yeah i mean i guess the one thing about that is and I'm my response here is influenced by the pandemic that we just went through is I don't like hoarding I don't like and I don't like a lack of well like resources I can't think of the right word for this right now but I was in the grocery store the other day and some something some product was pretty much like cleaned out well actually I know sriracha we talked about this there's a sriracha shortage well that finally hit my local grocer I bought some like generic kroger brand sriracha sauce because like you cannot get like the classic stuff um and anyway but i was walking in the grocery store and i just saw some area where is it like sriracha yes it is um and of course with the the egg shortage recently because of the bird flu like you go in it's like you see these vastly empty shelves that i think i saw for the first time during the pandemic, it gave me a very bad feeling. And the idea of people hoarding things when they hear there might be a shortage coming down the line now with our ongoing supply chain issues and everything. I guess I would see an issue if I'm trying to manage a legitimate Trader Joe's and people are coming in and buying up mass quantities of things. I don't know if that's what they were doing, but if they were, I could understand being a little peeved about that.

That's what they were doing. And that is why the Trader Joe's was very intent on trying to stop them.

i think because of that exact tune because i think i've interviewed pirate joe on the radio before oh really oh yeah on your show night show yeah and i think i was fully in until but that was again before like you're going to the grocery store and you can't buy toilet paper not because somebody bought the last roll and they needed it but because somebody bought the last 500 rolls

i guess for me there would be a difference between are we in the in a pandemic or are we not like if we're not in a pandemic then and like okay you can't get you maybe maybe there's not as much of whatever you know butter chicken or something that's like popular with trader joe's that's kind of a bummer but like you know when you're when you can't find toilet paper to feed your children a lot of questions i don't know okay everyone's raising their kids differently uh you know what i mean like in the pandemic i'm with you like it just felt so gross for people to be kind of hoarding a product that that there was a shortage of when they found the kind of a decent amount of it somewhere a supply of it somewhere i'll tell you this too i love eggs like i really love eating eggs i can't tell you the last time i bought a dozen eggs and i don't know what's going on with that it's very weird because i really like i love a good over easy fried egg very yummy also if it's not fertilized it was never actually going to become something when that egg shortage happened it struck me that i have not walked into a store and bought a dozen eggs probably since i've lived in portland which is very strange i think it's because i don't generally i don't really eat a lot of breakfast these days and i think and i don't bake very much so i guess that just kind of erases it from the from uh you know my needs if you will but uh but yeah i was realizing

that i never buy eggs which is kind of strikes me as strange yeah we always we have a must have more than a dozen at all times rule for eggs in our house so we will always have at least two like cartons of eggs one that is 12 eggs and then however many are left in the other one you know but once we crack into that um second carton of eggs we put it on the list because yeah i mean it's a really quick i mean it's very versatile and it's a very quick thing if you need to cook up a quick meal um whether you just scramble up some eggs quickly or or fry an egg and put it on top of a griller or whatever like eggs are a big part of our life i have to say if i think about

eggs too long though i do get a little like i get a little weirded out like i love dairy i love that yes and dairy also by the way i consume probably more dairy by way of cheese than almost anyone on planet earth but like by the way there was that thing that woody harrelson was saying how somebody on the bus told him he was lactose intolerant and his skin cleared up and i thought what if i because I mean, I've complained on this show about still getting pimples at age 46. How do I have low T and pimples? It just seems unfair. But are you there, God? It's me, Luke. But I really thought, I wonder if I've been lactose intolerant my whole life. And I consume so much lactose. I eat so much cheese. But yeah, kind of like you with dairy, with milk and stuff. Like if you think about it, you guys got to not think about it too long.

That's me with eggs. Like, I love, love fried eggs and scrambled eggs and eggs on a, you know, on a burger or an egg, like a fried egg on rice, like at a, like a Korean place. Like, I love it so much.

Don't get me started on eggs.

I'll be, I'll live, we'll talk here until sunup. We got there. But if I think about it too much, I get kind of weirded out. I got to like, I got to not think about it, not overthink it.

Can we do what I think everybody is expecting here right now, which is for me to give my top five Girl Scout cookie flavors?

I couldn't even name five Girl Scout cookies.

Well, I'm on the website, and there's some on here that I'm unfamiliar with, but I'm going to start with number five and work my way to number one. I'm going to say number five, just sneaking in there, is the Caramel or Caramel Delights vanilla cookies. These are the ones that look like a little tire with a hole in the middle. They got the fudge stripes across it and then some toasted... That's called a Caramel Delight? I guess so. I did not know that. I think they used to have a different name. I could be wrong, but that does have the coconut. I will eat those, but those are number five on my list.

I want to look at the same list.

Okay. If you just go to my Girl Scouts, they have a site called Meet the Cookies. I'm there. Raspberry Rally is already like the top of the list that I'm seeing. Oh, really? You're on meetthecookies. I don't know. I don't even see that on here. I'm on mygirlscouts.org, meetthecookies. I don't know what you're looking at. My web browser won't let me go there for some reason. You might have a better list than I do in front of me because I do feel like stuff is missing here. Okay. Or I feel like stuff is missing here, I should say. But I'm going to come up. So number five on my list, I will eat it if it's the last cookie in the house, the caramel delights. I'm going to say after that, number four is Peanut Butter Sandwich Crisp and Crunchy Oatmeal Cookies with Creamy Peanut Butter Filling. That's pretty good. Do you mean the Do-Si-Do? That's the thing. Have they changed the name of these things? I'm at GirlScouts.org. I'm at Meet the Cookies. This is, yeah, because these are not how, I'm at MyGirlScouts.org. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Can you milk me, Thin Mints? But yeah, I don't know Yeah, because it's not called Do-Si-Do on mine It's peanut butter sandwich

I think I'm on the most updated version Because literally the first one If you go to girlscouts.org Meet the cookies The first one they're listing is the Raspberry Rally Alright, what's going on? And then something called an Adventureful And then the Caramel Delights are also called Samoas

Yeah, Samoa I was going to say, you know, here Okay, now let me go to a different Meet the Cookies page Yeah, I might have been on an older Meet the Cookies page This is going to complicate everything. Oh, my God. There's so many more. These are not the classic ones. But I think I can keep going here. Yes, yes, yes. I'm following along. Samoas are also known as Caramel Delights, it looks like, according to the updated page. That comes in at number five for me.

I wonder why they would change the name. I wonder is Samoas. What do you think the – because I didn't eat a lot of Girl Scout cookies growing up, but I always knew there was something called Samoas, and people loved them and talked about them. Why would they add Caramel Delight as one of the names of the Samoas?

I'm not sure. Yeah, and also, like you said, Peanut Butter Sandwich, it was listed as that on the other website. But we always called them Do-Si-Do's growing up. And now that I'm on this website, it does call them Do-Si-Do's. That is a solid number four for me. I got to say, I'm only listing the ones that I have had before. And it does look like something is missing off of this one. So this list is falling apart because there was something on the other one that was like a s'more.

What were tagalongs?

Tagalongs were called peanut butter patties on the other site. That is going to be my number one cookie. So we're out of order now. That's my number one. I'm going to say, I guess I'm just messing up the list, so screw it. But I will say the absolute worst are the ones that are called trefoils or trefoils that are nothing but shortbread. Like, really? I do like that they have the Girl Scout logo on them. that's true for branding sure but for anything else it's just it's just shortbread like what

are you gonna do i know that's a big letdown like i don't show me a kid who's like oh good shortbread like you know those did these make their way to ohio the um like danish butter cookies in the tin you know the round tin and you open it it's got actually two layers yeah and the love cookies yeah yeah did you guys get those where you were growing up yeah i mean that rings a bell around the holidays right that we had them it was a big christian thing like i think maybe they were like cheap and it was a lot of cookies and we would always have you know like the fellowship hour it would be called which would be like bad coffee and a couple tins of those danish cookies after church and they were you know what actually i would still grub down on them i'm not gonna lie but those still seem like the those are basically what the trefoil or trefoil cookies are like a shortbread cookie some of the danish butter cookies had a little bit of sugar sprinkled on top.

which was kind of good but like generally speaking i was like i need some i'm looking for some chocolate chip cookies in my life or something like that wow i just had a very

visceral memory you mentioned the sugar sprinkled on top yeah it would be that really crystallized almost like sharp kind of big kind of yeah yeah actually you saying that kind of had me changing my tune a little bit i guess i'm missing a number i guess i'm missing a number three but i will say that uh thin mints is a strong number two uh and the tagalongs are a strong number one for me but i'm really really intrigued by the raspberry rally i would really like to try that i'm not going to be buying them off the secondary market but if they came into my life i would accept them

i want to take that back to what i said earlier it doesn't look like they have jam in the middle i don't know where i got that idea from i think i just was wishing that was the case but it just looks more it's chocolate on the outside and then something that looks raspberry flavored on the inside yeah like i just want to i want to be accurate in my description of it i do by the way love those Samoas and have for all my big talk about not being a Girl Scout cookie person I have definitely destroyed a sleeve of those a time or two like if those are around that's my relationship with pretty much every kind of sweet treat if it's around I will consume it like I'm not above it at all I just it doesn't it's not like why I get out of bed in the morning to you know like and again there's lots of people that get really excited about Girl Scout cookies and it's a tradition and it's fun and that's awesome i mean no reason to yuck that yum but man i'll tell you i have definitely done some damage on some of these cookies at various times when they've

been around i was leaving the grocery store the other day and um they i noticed as i was entering the store that there were some girl scouts and their parents out there selling girl scout cookies and um i walked in they were busy with customers so they didn't ask me about anything and i i didn't I knew that I didn't want to buy any I love Girl Scout cookies I like supporting the Girl Scouts but we're trying to keep somewhat healthier food I just like this this winter I just we had so many sweets and candy and cookies more than ever in my life in the house and I had no self-control and so there have been many nights of me like eating too many like just jars full of Reese's pieces like at night and so like I was like I don't think we need to bring these into our life right now but I also hate saying no to little kids who are asking me to support their organization you know what I'm saying And so, like, I remember, like, thinking when I leave, I'll just, like, keep my head down, move fast. I couldn't go out the other door, which would have been a slightly longer walk to my car. But I considered it. But they had it blocked off with grocery carts. I was like, okay, just move fast, move fast. So I kind of moved fast. And then I think it was the mom called out to me or one of the parents there, I should say, just like, hey, do you want any Girl Scout cookies? And, like, I stopped. And I said, oh, not today. And, like, I'm just a weirdo. like i i felt like they needed more explanation and so like i took a beat to give like a reason why or maybe to say but i'll be back later or i don't know i just felt like i needed something more to say and the person just said to me it's okay and i was like okay and i walked away that's a true story of me just it was one of the parents yeah yeah yeah i'm assuming like the mom of one of these kids but it was one of the one of the the adults there is what i'm trying to say was just like i was like no i can't today and then i just looked at her and she said it's okay and i said okay like i'm getting more and more awkward in public i'm not joking i had why am i even

this is dumb i don't even want to bring this up but i don't know it's on the subject of how those interactions can be kind of awkward like i this is totally different i i i'm already gonna there's a 50 chance no there's a 80 chance i'm gonna have you cut this out andrew but it's just one of those weird moments where uh after we did live wire last week i was standing outside with becca everybody had pretty much left the theater except for the folks that were working inside taking the chairs down and stuff and uh one of the guests uh who had been on the show uh dana schwartz who's a podcaster and uh writer was waiting for her like uh uber or whatever and it was dark and it was late at night so we were kind of standing there just you know being like keeping her company and waiting for the car and stuff and somebody came up who was who was panhandling and like i was like i might a lot of times i just say i don't have any cash i usually don't have any cash on me

but in this case i was like uh i i was like social pressure a little bit not social well

i guess maybe i didn't want to like lie in front of becca and dana schwartz like i don't if i was by myself i would have probably just hustled past him sorry i don't have any cash or something but it was like i don't know what was going on my mind but i was like i knew that i happened to have a hundred dollar bill in my pocket and i thought there was i thought i remember seeing one other paper amount of money in there and i was like please let that be a single so i look in there and all i had was at 100 and then i just had a 20 but it was like once i brought that wallet out and went into it there was no way i'm gonna not give the guy Okay.

something from the wallet i guess luckily i was a i mean luckily i don't know who's lucky i'm lucky that i have access to 100 this is a person who doesn't have access to that i probably should have given them the hundred that's why i'm regretting even bringing this up i guess it's just on the subject of those little momentary interactions in life where for some reason it gets more awkward than needs to be or we have these like i like i sort of wished i would have never reached in my pocket then i was like god twenty dollars is for me it feels like kind of a lot to just hand to someone who's panhandling but on the other hand it's like i should be giving him more and i was like why don't i just keep a couple singles in there to hand people and it was like i was thinking about it for the next hour and i was like i waste twenty dollars on so many things why am i hung up on i gave the guy 20 bucks it's like then i was mad at myself that i even cared i'm now more mad that i'm bringing it up on the show no i mean i think it's an i think those

situations are very awkward and for whatever it's worth like it's not a given and again i'll just lay my i'll just put myself out there too so if people want to comment on your behavior they can comment on mine as well like um i don't think i think the vast majority of the time when somebody asks me for money outside of a 7-eleven or wherever it happens to be in my neighborhood i don't think i usually say yes like at times i do i don't have a science i certainly don't have like a a rule or a code about it like i think this person's gonna spend it on x y or z therefore i'm not going to I think I'm just like a very I mean you know where my heart lies when it comes to helping people who need help like I volunteer with a group like I don't think that like I need to give any kind of bona fides on that for some reason the the the the interaction of asking to stop me and to say or even like in some places like to come up to my window or something I find that maybe it's my boundaries thing and just the way I interact with strangers but I think often I'm just going to say sorry I don't have any cash I'm going to keep moving and just know that somewhere in my life i'm going to do something that maybe really helps the cause better like and like and then again i'm not like i'm not i'm not keeping notes i don't have rules about these things but for for whatever it's worth you telling that story don't think that you're talking to somebody over here who says i always open up and i always give the biggest bill because i don't and i don't know exactly why i don't but i often well i you know what for me it

is i'm actually more apt if someone is standing on like you know i'm waiting at a light and they're on the side of the road or whatever with a sign, I will, you know, if I've got a couple extra bucks in my, like, you know, middle thing of my car, what do you call that anyway? The console? Console. But for me, the big deal is, and this is bad because this is me just being, like, very, I don't know what, but, like, I want to be able to figure out exactly how much money I have on me in paper money, what I'm willing to give, and then tee it up. So if I've got, like, two car lengths to sit there, and then I'm looking around, like, if I would have looked in my console and there was only a 20, Truthfully, it would be unlikely I would hand that amount of money to somebody, which, again, is a poor commentary on me because that would probably make that person's day a lot better. Why don't I do that all the time? But if I have $4 that are singles that I can get in my hand and I can kind of roll them up and I can be ready to roll down the window and hand it to the person and say, have a great day, if I can do that, it's something about me. I want to have control of how I get everything ready. I what I get weirded out by or what I struggle with is like the in the moment it because to me it's again it's like if I'm if I reach for my wallet I'm not going to reach my wallet open it see paper money and then put it back in and be like sorry pal like to me that's bad that's very that's very bad form like if you're if you reach for your wallet you better give the person who who's who's needing some money at least something although I will say you can play it a little bit

differently like it's you had a lot of things going on I'm not saying this would have worked in the situation that you were in there but if you don't want to give a $20 bill away to a stranger which I think is totally reasonable you know but you're not on the move you're not just walking by and so you're there's going to be some sort of conversation I mean you can be sort of honest I think and pull your wallet out and say I don't think I have any and like sort of start apologizing and because if you really don't like I don't think I would give a 20 away I mean depending on the circumstances i don't think i would do that um and so if i'm like thinking to myself i think i've only got 20s in my wallet um but i might have a single in there i'm probably going to pinch up my face and be like i don't think i have any and just you know take a private peek at myself take a private peek myself and then if i do have something smaller sure but if i don't just close and be like i'm sorry i i don't but good luck you know that's another way to do that because i will

say that's an expectation and i promise i promise you that i was not trying to bring this story up In any way to I don't know Sort of Point out that I Gave somebody more money On the street than I typically would He was pretty stoked I was going to ask

What the reaction was You know there's that

I mean he was a person Who appeared to be Dealing with a pretty A pretty profound Probably mental health You know Sort of Situation It wasn't You know there's a

a real range and i know because you volunteer a lot that you kind of see a real spectrum of how folks are doing and this was didn't this was a person who definitely was looking like they were like you know sort of in and out of being lucid and so but he was he was he's you know was a very appreciative and i was happy for him and i was well i mean happy for him is a weird way to put it but i was like this you know hopefully we'll get this guy something hot to eat tonight or a bottle of booze whatever i don't i literally don't actually care what he does with the money but um but uh he was he did he he was definitely uh you know there enough mentally to be like oh shit that's 20 bucks right on yeah yeah that's good so that was at least that was at least good

and then he moved on because also and again this is not about me being a classist or anything but like i also just like when strangers just sort of hang around whoever those strangers are that can be awkward as well yeah and so if you're waiting for a car with a group of people and then a stranger comes up and decides that we're friends now that can be an awkward situation as well but the person just sort of like you took the money thanked you and moved on pretty much although i

will tell you this that was a night where three of our four guests were at different times outside the theater in the dark waiting for their ride share and each time i was like at somehow because i was coming and going from the theater i was getting changed i was doing all these things i was like each person i was like hey do you need a ride because like i have my car and i was like are you going to be okay and it was like and they're like oh yeah i'm just waiting for my ride and then i'd kind of stand with them it was like somehow it was the night where i was like i needed a little outfit and a whistle like the guy at the hotel who like whistles for the next car you know with the bell not the bellhop or whatever you call that guy i was like somehow i was on like get live wire guest making sure they got in their ride share duty but um anyway um yeah i don't know I don't know why I felt the need to tell that story, but I think it's important for people to know that I am one of the more generous souls you will ever meet. And I'm bad for not buying Girl Scout cookies. Exactly.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man, it's not from a female.

Now, do you think that conversation, Andrew, will drive you to maybe grab a box of Girl Scout cookies if you're going to the store and there are some folks? Because so often on this program, you and I, At about this time, which is about lunchtime, talk about some food product, and then I think you and I both then become obsessed with that food thing until we get some of it. Is that going to happen with you and cookies?

I don't think so. Here's why. I'm pretty, I mean, despite everything I just said about losing my willpower at night, in the moment, I'm not usually craving sweets. like that's one of the reasons why it's okay for me to go to the grocery store see the girl scout cookies and think to myself man i really do like the what are the peanut butter ones i like tag alongs the ones tag along yeah like i really do love them and if i thought i'd bring them home and genevieve really wanted them as well like we we usually will do that but i don't think genevieve wants girl scout cookies in the house right now either because again it's just a temptation that we don't necessarily need and since i know that my urge for those cookies is going to come on much stronger at night like it's easy for me to skip that during the day you know and not buy them and not and not bring a temptation into the house for later what about you yeah that's pretty much

my like i already kind of said it earlier but that's that's my relationship with it like i bought some halo top the other day which is this like diet ice cream which actually i i think is pretty yummy but like i think it was because my dad my dad literally was fueled by ice cream and nutty buddies so i kind of was thinking of it so i got a couple things a halo top like i could go six months with no ice cream in this apartment and not think about it and then within three days i'd eaten all of the halo top that was in the apartment because it was there you know yeah yeah that's

kind of how it works for me i haven't eaten ice cream in a while i think is the weather has kind of if i'm in the grocery store and i see ice cream it's not appealing to me because it's so cold or wet outside or whatever but i i will i will i do wonder how that will change as the months get warmer let's start with i want to play two voicemails today this is just a quickie we don't have to get into um like parking rage uh deeply we were just talking about how i'll kind of really i'll get really bothered when somebody who's driving like a mid-size suv parks in a compact car spot and i can barely get out of my car next to them um or there are no spots for me to park in because people are breaking the rules um this is a voicemail that we got from a listener

who uh rides a motorbike so i have a parking note story which is it's not a good look okay it's not a good look but i've gotten very possessive over a parking spot um that's motorcycle only because i drive a motorcycle and um i did leave multiple notes in blocking that said

motorcycle on jeeps and it's not a good look and also if someone wants to vandalize a vehicle leaving the uh nice motorcycle note um it'd be pretty obvious who it is uh because there was only one motorcycle in the parking lot um yeah i'm mortified i don't know if you need to be

mortified but it does raise the question yeah i got a little i i sort of lost the thread there at the beginning of the message so what exactly

happened so this listener rides a motorcycle and there are certain spaces that are reserved for motorcycle parking and the listener is saying that when they see it for some reason they said it was jeeps at all times so like they said that a couple of times they've seen jeeps got it park there and they'll leave a note that says nice

motorcycle but then it's like their motorcycles

parked just down the way motorcycle is right there but that is one thing that I think about a lot the vulnerability of parking a motorcycle I think I told you this story before when I was about I don't know what I think I was maybe like 14 years old maybe 13 at the earliest we finally moved out of the country and moved to a very suburb a very deeply suburban area like it wasn't like it wasn't like there was a any kind of stores or movie theaters nearby for me to go to but I did have a new mountain bike and I think we had a little town center in medina that was about five miles away which was like doable um compared to where we were before when there was nothing for like 10 miles or something and so i remember saying okay i want to ride my new bicycle to the little town center in medina and go see a movie and i'm pretty sure i did that twice in the same summer we could fact check this i think we've even done this before i want to say the movies were hook and father of the bride the original father of the bride i don't know if those were the same year or not or close enough to make sure i'm right about that but i remember being so excited on my bike on the way there like this is what i always wanted i wanted to live in a place where there was like more of a city there were things to do i was a kid on a bicycle who could go places and watch movies and go to arcades and and maybe i'll get into baseball cards even though i don't like baseball it was

by the way they both came out in 1991 extremely possible that that these were the movies and

that'd be about the right age range for me too right 13 or 14 or something so um i'm not a liar um and i may be a podcasting bro but at least i'm an honest one but anyway i just remember both of these experiences especially the first one which i think was hook was by the time i got there and locked up my bike and went in to watch the movie when i was watching the movie a big chunk of my mind was how is my bike doing out there that's a new bike i love that bike it's fluorescent it was three different colors faded it was very nice Luke I can't remember the brand um but I remember being so obsessed with having my bike my vulnerable bike like locked up where strangers couldn't look at it or I couldn't enjoy the full depths of hook I think about that a lot when I see motorcycles in a parking lot like those things are Hoffman's finest work those things are so expensive to just to leave your your fancy bike there and just know that somebody isn't going to bump it accidentally or do something out of malice. That must be kind of a mind F.

I have a complicated relationship with motorcycles in general because on the one hand, they obviously are much less of an environmental impact than a full-on combustion car. And in a lot of places, you know, in other countries, they're fully necessary just because there's so many people. And if everyone had a car, there would be no way to get down the street. and I've had a motor scooter before that I really loved I also I don't think this our listener I don't think the person who likes our show would also be the kind of person that has the crazy loud kind of motorcycle you and I heard at my old place but like when those people when someone goes down my street or down any street I'm nearby in one of those like bored out like Harleys or I don't even know motorcycle brands but something that's just like deafeningly loud I just it makes me so aggravated like and yet i also am you know i feel uh which one is it sympathy or empathy like uh not that i can't really relate personally because i don't ride a motorcycle but i i feel sympathetic for that is that the one yeah i think so i think empathy yeah i can't remember i think sympathy empathy is like you've lived it and sympathy is like you can just understand it i feel sympathy for folks on motorcycles out in the world like i don't want them to get you know bumped by cars or like to be you know i don't know getting rained on or whatever but I just wish they would make it illegal for those loud, and I know people say like loud pipes save lives or something, but I just wish those loud motorcycles were illegal which is probably the least macho thing I'll ever say on this show, and that's really saying something

Let me play one more quick voicemail for you here, this is from Listener Joe

Hey y'all This is listener Joe from Atlanta. I had to call in with a very Georgia sharp shot that nobody is in any need of, but I have been getting most of my life, which is that the name of President Carter's wife, First Lady, is Rosalind Carter. Wait, I said it wrong. Oh, my God. It's Rosalynn Carter because she is named for her maternal grandmother, Rosa. This is something that everybody gets corrected on and that I have gotten corrected on my whole life, but I still want to do exactly what everybody else does and say Rosalynn. But she is Rosalynn. Or if you're from South Georgia, she's Rosalynn. but the Carters are beloved here but we smile as everybody says Rosalind but it is Rosalind in any case alright don't you know put sugar in cornbread and flour doesn't belong there either I love it thank you guys love you as always

that's a good Georgian voicemail right there

that's a really beautiful name Rosalind

It is, yeah, and I also like not having that extra syllable in there either, Rosalind.

Yeah, now that raises that, and in fact, this is something that will probably be, you know, in a sort of sad way as Jimmy Carter has entered hospice. Although I heard somebody in his family said he's still got some life in him. I'm like, he may outlive all of us. I mean, that guy, tell you what. But anyway, I was going to say, because of Jimmy Carter's health, we may be hearing a lot more about him and his legacy and his family, which is very intertwined with his wife. And if I were to say to somebody, Rosalind Carter, like if someone would have said Rosalind Carter to me just in passing and they weren't from Georgia and they weren't calling in to say, oh, guess what? It's actually Rosalind. I would have been like, well, those idiots don't know how to say it.

Yeah, it's a real Ayn Rand problem.

Totally. so it's like what do we go with the real the proper pronunciation as was it Joe listener Joe laid out or like you know if it's like Jimmy Carter passes and I'm talking to someone I'm like yeah you really your heart just really breaks for Rosalind Carter are they going to be thinking this fool doesn't know how to say her name you're going to say

boy this is really heartbreaking for Ayn Rand

they're going to be really confused Ayn Rand may never go to the Puyallup Fair again I don't know why Puyallup is like like Rosalind Carter is one of those things that signifies if you're from a certain part of the world you know that it's Rosalind and if you're from a certain part of the world that I'm from you know it's Puyallup I know those are other than that totally unrelated concepts as opposed to how would you say well no you know what that's a good point that's a that's a terrible example um squim what would be squim well but not even squim because those are just words that most people wouldn't know how to pronounce it's more like it's more like um being from uh at some place where we pronounce it it could be pronounced one way but we pronounce it differently and knowing that you that it's pronounced differently is is the that's the local knowledge so yeah piallup is a terrible example because you either know how to say it or you don't but like rosalind looking at it and thinking it's rosalind but knowing it's rosalind is a kind of a different sort of specific local knowledge concord new hampshire instead of there

you go thank you we got that i got you i got you appreciate you yes concord washington yeah that's

what that's the other one i was thinking of all right uh we should wrap it up because andrew guess what i've got to go get a haircut at rudy's which means oh i got one of those tomorrow free content on the show tomorrow because you know i'm going to come back with a story oh my god just you know i'm going to come back with some kind of issue because i always do if i didn't keep going to Rudy's, what would we even talk about on this

program? Do you know that I cancelled a Rudy's appointment two weeks ago and I was within the four hour window that they asked. I called three hours before my appointment and cancelled. I'll tell you what happened on tomorrow's edition of TBTL. That's

something to look forward to. Alright, thanks for listening everybody. We'll be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. Until then, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves and please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

I was just fixin' to get me some grub. Beans. I love beans. Big, fat, hot, juicy beans. Don't get me goin' on beans, or I'll be jabberin' away till the sun comes up. Power out.