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How do I act so well? What I do is I pretend to be the person I'm portraying in the film or play. Yeah. You're confused. No, I... It's perfectly simple, case in point. Lord of the Rings. Peter Jackson comes from New Zealand and says to me, Sir Ian, I want you to be Gandalf the Wizard. And I say to him, you are aware that I am not really a wizard. and he said, yes, I'm aware of that what I want you to do is to use your acting skills to portray the wizard for the duration of the film so I said, okay and then I said to myself how would I do that and this is what I did I imagined what it would be like to be a wizard and then I pretended and acted in that way on the day. Yeah. And how did I know what to say? The words were written down for me in a script. How did I know where to stand? People told me. You see? Yeah. Now, you would be pretending to be John in this play, and how would you know what to say? Well, the words would be in the script. Yeah. And you would learn the words. You would not have the script on the night And that goes for everybody There will be no scripts on the night You'll learn the words Speak them as if you were saying them for the first time I didn't think we would have the script No, you won't Because if you did have the script It would break the illusion And the whole thing is illusion You are not really John No, I know You are pretending And that is acting

T-B-T-L Guess what day it is Guess what day it is It's Friday, Friday Gonna get down on Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend In 1971, Bill Greats invented Microsoft Wouldn't it be cool if I could remember my dingus password from my email? We are super fun here And I promise I won't stop until this little guy's leaping and laughing like the other kids

And my grandpa likes to save hot diggity dog as i like to say hot damn have a good show dummies what you do is so important

all right hello isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheet good morning and welcome

to a friday edition of tvtl the show it just might be too beautiful to live sorry i got a little trigger happy there right here at the top of the show by the way my name is luke burbank i I just want you to be normal and clearly you're not coming to you this morning from the offices of Walsh, Walsh and a doormat here in Seattle, Washington.

This is special. This is special.

I was realizing right as the audio tape where we have other people talking was ending and where the part that I begin talking was to begin, that I hadn't written down any information about today's program, like what episode number we're on, what day of the week it is. It would be shocking to the listeners, or sadly, maybe not that shocking to know, that I really have to look at the show sheet each day to remember what day of the week we're currently on, and certainly the show number. I believe we're at episode 3,898 in A Collector's Series. Let the fun begin. Right as it was my turn to talk, I had a mild moment of panic because I realized I'm here at Andrew's place. I don't have my little printout normally. what I do typically then is I, I feel like Ian McKellen explaining how acting works. What I do, but how do I remember the show number? I write it down. How do I know what day of the week it is? I also write that down. Which microphone do I talk into? Andrew tells me. Anyway, I normally write all this stuff down and I, I didn't. So I'm flying blind here. Okay. I'm a, as we used to say in the church, I'm going by faith, not by sight. When I say we're going to talk about food news today which we were trying to do yesterday including the time that the biden family like the president and his wife went to a restaurant a dinner out in dc it's a restaurant within a restaurant and they did something kind of surprising with their ordering habits oh my god that's so crazy why so we're going to talk about that we're also going to explain why some sushi restaurants the kind that use that conveyor belt in japan are having to change their approach to delivering the sushi because people are licking the soy sauce.

Not only does that sound kind of disgusting to me, it sounds unhealthy.

And we're going to do some music for your weekend on this Friday. Plus we'll talk to this guy, the longest

running Cobra over the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's joining me right now from just across this desk. He's Andrew Ferdahl. Walsh. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. Did you see a dog in the neighborhood running loose as you came here today? No, and you had sort of told me to, you put out a bolo on that, a be on the lookout. What is going on with a stray dog in the hood? Yolo bolo. Yep. As your mom might say. She would, Yodo Bodo, you only die once. That really is, right? She's like, I'm not into YOLO, I'm into Yodo. Well, no, she wanted to write a book called YOLO YODO, because at the time she said everyone's focusing on YOLO. It's only half of the equation, you're leaving a lot on the table. Exactly, there's an entire other side of that coin, the YODO side. I die a thousand deaths on this show every day as I misspeak and can't remember famous people um so you know that i get email alerts from people in the neighborhood when they're when they have extra cookies that they want to give away they'll post it to the list serve if they see you have you ever availed yourself person of like that kind of stuff like someone's like i've got some extra fig newtons uh would you ever in any universe go like oh i'll take those if you've got them first of all i do love fig newtons although they're not technically cookies right They're fruit and cake. Isn't that what the ads told us? I don't know that I would want. Why did I pick the one cookie that's not a cookie? And it's also the one thing that isn't usually homemade. I know. That was kind of a like. I apologize. No, but don't apologize because you got me thinking about Fig Newtons. I was going to somebody's house the other day. Was it the Super Bowl party? I pick out the worst snacks, by the way, because I don't like cheese flavor chips or all the stuff that people would want, like Doritos. Bring those to a football game or whatever. Would you like combos? People like combos. No, I don't really like combos. Oh, really? I mean, I guess the only kind that doesn't have cheese is a peanut butter pretzel one, which I might have had once in the 80s. Oh, you know what? I'm sorry. I was thinking that those Gardettos things. Oh, I like Gardettos. What's Gardettos? Yeah, the thing that's got the toast in it. Yeah, I like that. That was very garlicky. But I saw a box of Fig Newtons. You brought Fig Newtons? I didn't. I didn't. That was even too far. I brought, like, Bugles and salsa. Those are good. I'd get down with that. And I got some compliments on the choice of Bugles. But I did think that I would probably get razzed if I brought some Fig Newtons. But when I'm buying snacks for a party like that, my brain, like, if I'm just shopping by myself and I see Fig Newtons, it doesn't even occur to me to buy them. We don't buy a lot of cookies and stuff to bring into the house. But when it's like, hey, it's snack day, it's Super Bowl Sunday or whatever, then I'm just like, all of a sudden it's kind of like the, it's a whole new world. It's like, it's everything is possibility. I'm just like looking around the aisles. I'm like, I could be the guy who brings Fig Newtons. And it just seemed really good to me for a second. And then I kind of imagined the looks on my friends' faces. I can see.

Here's where I feel like a Fruit Newton would be good is in the morning with some coffee. Ooh, yeah. Because it's kind of like it doesn't seem to, for me, scratch the personal itch. I'm using that right, right? I very frequently mess that up. I say itch. And when I mean scratch, because an itch is a feeling you have and a scratch is what you do to address the itch. Yeah, but I think that's defendable because I think that people sometimes say, could you, hey, stop itching at that, right? Some people do, it's kind of a way to... Yeah, it's one of those things where it's migrated, but anyway, it doesn't really, like, a Fig Newton wouldn't scratch the itch of, like, a chocolate chip cookie for me or even an Oreo at night, something sweet with milk, but in the morning as more like a breakfast, a sweet breakfast treat that would go well with, like, coffee. I could get down with that. I mean, it's been a long time since I've had a Fig Newton, but maybe that's the reason we had them growing up is because maybe it's not quite as bad for you as a cookie, which I don't even know if that's true, frankly. You're probably just denying the flavor of a chocolate chip cookie without really- That's very 80s parents health food. Yeah, right. Becca and I talk about this a lot because she grew up in a house where they ate really healthy, but also would drink a lot of, I don't know, orange juice because it wasn't Hawaiian punch, but it still has a lot of sugar in it. And probably had fig newtons and a lot of things that just, if you looked at them and you were like an 80s mom, you'd be like, well, that's got to be better than the thing that seems overtly junky. But in fact, they're kind of the same. New York seltzer. Well, it's clear. It's got to be better than Coke. I mean, seriously, I think those were the kinds of ways that those decisions were made by people. I think you're right. Anyway, you mentioned blueberry. You said fruit newtons. And that reminds me that my family would sometimes swap. But they started selling in the 80s, like, blueberry Newtons and strawberry Newtons, I think. That I could get down with. I just don't really... We used to have a fig tree in the backyard. Did I ever tell you this story? My dad... What does a fig look like when it's on a tree? It's a green kind of... it's like a green ball with uh with a stem on it oh yeah and then it turns purple and my dad was never more like out of a sunday morning cartoon character than trying to defend his figs against the birds in our backyard uh-huh did he have a stick or a broom he had a series of things he would put a net over the because here's what happened oh yeah the figs would ripen we had this little rental house and the backyard was teeny tiny but it had like two trees in it one was just something else and uh whatever kind of tree and then one was this fig tree that was like very productive but we would also tend to go to like a church camp out in august every year at the exact week when the figs would go from not ripe enough to like overripe and the birds like it's like the perfect time for the birds he would hang cds in the trees for like reflective i forgot

that that has a purpose and it's not just like a punk way it's not just a way of showing off that you own compact discs right and it would just be this funny thing where and of course i didn't like as a kid i was like miss me with those figs like i'm just not right it's just like you're not like as a kid like oh do we get figs and honey what it was what is this grease in the 5 bc like come on let's get some real snacks get some twigs pouring wine exactly where's the vomitorium um anyway like so i i just thought it was funny but it's like every i feel like every year it would be like my dad would be like this is the year that i win and we get these figs and every year the birds would outsmart him and we'd just come home from the trip and there's like all the figs would be gone from the tree oh my god decimated not even gone yeah like on the ground with, like, beak holes in them, you know?

Yeah, right, right, right. And a sign that says, never forget. Like, sort of tapped out with a beak somehow. Honestly, very menacing birds in the neighborhood. I also, so were these all Christian CDs?

Oh, I bet you that they were, like, not even, like, they might have been CD art. Oh, they might have been blank, yeah. They might have either been blank, or if they were anything, they were probably some kind of smooth jazz. Yeah, okay. My dad had his own, it's funny, because, like, at our house it was christian music only pretty much i'm trying to think if there were any exceptions maybe a some musicals like we had we had the sound of music on vinyl my fair lady double album something like that we would never have like a rolling stones album in the house or something um but then when you go to my dad's shop it wasn't that it was he didn't have a lot of christian music around he had a lot of like dave cause like saxophone music and like new kind

new agey piano does he have an album called cause and effect i'll bet you a million bucks he does

that sounds like a jazz album by the way dave cause i believe it's koz which is probably short for something longer than that but i'm joking i'll bet you a million bucks he's got an album i would be unsurprised but my day my dad's my dad's whole cd collection over there that he would like pick up you know if he'd go to like a secondhand cd shop would be much more on the like

smooth jazz side of things i could see that okay yeah oh i'm not getting any great returns

on cause and effect i thought for sure that well i would assume dave cause is still producing music

so there's still time yeah so anyway okay dog yeah let's get back to this dog what's going on there's not even that much to say here but uh i will get emails from people uh with you know concerns in the neighborhood or like i say treats or whatever it's just a little neighborhood let's serve and we got an email pop up i think maybe midday yesterday just saying hey i just was on on a little walk and i saw a kind of frantically acting um skinny dog very cute but it seemed a little afraid of me i don't know if this is anybody's dog i think they said i think they said no collar but um just just putting it out there if this is anybody's dog and then some other people were like i saw a dog today too on my walk or whatever and then um somebody said yeah i couldn't get very close to it as a little scared of me and then people are like we're concerned about this dog and then the the plan is and i say we i i realized i was talking about this with genevieve last night i'm like hey did you hear that we got a name on the dog and she's like we like you know like no i'm not really involved here you know i'm receiving the emails i'm monitoring the situation no i i want to i was going outside looking for the dog to see if i could get the you know i want to see this dog i have not seen it in real life but um it was kind of interesting to watch it unfold all we know is some neighbors are like oh we've seen this dog around you know try to take care of it if you see it and then somebody said hey i was just cruising this facebook page like there's some lost pause facebook group for seattle pets or something i don't know but they're like somebody posted on there that they're missing a dog in north seattle and it sort of fits this description and somebody said i'll reach out like i have some photos and some people had images of the dog caught on their ring light cameras or whatever so people are they're not just used for racism it is true uh

And then they, I guess, have confirmed that this is the dog. Oh, my gosh. And the dog's name is Tiffany.

Aw.

And this is interesting. So people are like, if you were able to, like, if you have a fence, which we do. Yeah. Like, and if you can get this dog to come. Right. Like, you know, try to, you know, put him inside your yard and call this number.

Can you forward me a photo? Let me see if I do have any good photos. I'm imagining this dog is Santa's little helper from The Simpsons. Yeah. When you say a kind of skinny dog. I just, for some reason, picture something that's like a whippet or greyhound. It's probably not, but that's what comes to mind.

Listen to this, though. So this is a woman named Teresa. I don't know Teresa personally, but on this listserv, and I think is the person who has been reaching out to the people on Facebook who've lost this dog. And here's not the latest, but this is an update from 15 hours ago. Teresa says, I heard from the person who posted about Tiffany. The dog belongs to a friend and was seen today at this intersection. no one can get close enough to the dog they've hired a group with tracking dogs and traps to try and catch her but have had no luck so far i let her know that we have neighbors on our end looking out for her and are willing to help please let us know of any sightings i'm going to pass them on and here's my number and i'll give the number here it's 206 um anyway yeah like doesn't i mean so these only way to catch a snake is to think like a snake is to be a snake these owners must be freaking out but i've never heard about getting like like tracking dogs and traps to get your own dog but if you're really scared about your dog's survival and that's the

only way no i mean i i i also have not heard of using dogs to find another dog that's like i mean that's that's serious business and then i wonder if and then tiffany's like really guys you yeah you guys i just wonder also if i could trust you if the owners could get like where tiffany is do you think tiffany i mean we're just speculating here but i wonder if tiffany would come to her owners like you'd think if there'd be any people that tiffany would let get you know like tiffany lives with them most of the time you know what i mean like you're gonna set traps around for the

dog i mean well listen to this i'm gonna reread this again okay i'm gonna re-listen okay no no i mean i'm not i'm not trying to be condescending but like i'm i'm puzzling this out too and it says so this isn't again the note from teresa i heard from the person who posted about tiffany the dog belongs to a friend and was seen today so is there any chance that the owners are out of town is there any chance that this friend because that's a good friend if you're hiring a team of

dogs it's a scared friend well but i mean that can't be cheap no it can't be i mean those guys are probably from new zealand unless they just deputize the neighborhood dogs oh that would be cute but ineffective when they say a team of tracking dogs it's just everyone got their dogs together and they're just kind of walking them around the neighborhood like and the trap is like a like a milk crate with a stick holding it up with like a t-bone steak tied to it f-u-d food

like the the old uh fireside cartoon but yeah so it sounds like the person who posted is not the owners which makes me wonder like are the owners close by and this friend is just helping out because they're diswrought or do i say that wrong distraught yeah sorry um and although i kind of think diswrought is better because it's like because i don't know i think you have a bunch

of wrought iron but it's not which wrought should i use this i don't know diswrought sounds like it somehow kind of like from an onomatopoeia standpoint or something it makes me have the feeling of someone who's not doing well which is what you're trying to convey yes i'm with you on dis rot oh god my my foot i think i have dis rot you have got to get more vegetables in your diet

my friend i mean those toenails do not look right i took my shoes off at the gym at 24 hour fitness once in the locker room for me to leave now i have dis rot yeah um anyway you know i don't know if the if the owners are in in the mix here in distraught or if this is a house sitting situation i mean can you imagine i mean i can't even imagine i can't imagine it because i thought that i lost becca's

cat one time but it was insane because i was i hadn't opened the door to the apartment like there was no logical way it could have happened but i fully reached the point where i thought the cat it escaped and i was really like i was i was just i was dis rot dude this guy was dis rot because it was just like man to lose someone else's pet is that's probably you know losing someone else's kid you're watching would be the sort of worst pet and depending on the kid maybe pet worse than the kids it's hard to say i've met some little assholes depends on my age right a lot of factors if they like around

fart on the wall like the kid in a raising Arizona scatter boy that like throws a handful of nuts at him well I think that overall my guess is Tiffany is going to be found and and and sort of corralled and will be safe it's just good that their eyes on Tiffany yeah and it's good that they're it's it's kind of amazing I got Genevieve a birthday president eyes on Tiffany yeah well And you asked me not to bring that up on the show. Is that right next to the dancing bear on Aurora? I thought it sounded more like a jewelry store. Oh, sorry. No, you're right. No, you're right. I hear it. I do think, I mean, it's sort of amazing the connectivity of the world that we live in in 2023, that somebody's dog goes missing. And now the ring cameras in what's presumably like an adjacent neighborhood are going off and capturing images of said dog. And then the people on your neighborhood kind of listserv or whatever we're going to call it are talking about Tiffany and just are able to interface with this other Facebook group that where we know that Tiffany is the name of the dog and all of this sort of cross referencing. And this all happened in a matter of, you know, 10, 12 hours. yeah i think it i think it makes it highly likely that tiffany the dog will be um you know located hopefully safely and all that like i just feel like we're at the 1960s tiffany's got no shot maybe or less of a shot yeah because i'm talking about like someone nailing up little signs lost dog i mean is that i just feel like that's so much less effective than this the speed at which this information traveled and now everyone in this neighborhood me included are on the lookout for tiffany don't you want to find tiffany oh my god i kid i dognapped tiffany so i could be the hero oops i almost sent this to the wrong person i was about to send a colleague a random picture of a lost dog i am sending you a photo of a dog that we know to be tiffany this is the actual lost dog okay um posting like a screen cap of it okay uh i i'm not saying for sure that this is the dog that people have been seeing around the neighborhood i will also send you what do you thing is the legality of using one of these ring light photos of this dog they're terrible by the way they're tiny um i'm gonna see if i can send you one of these but can i use somebody else's ring light photo if they've emailed it to me as a show pic i think so i think that um that's that's in the public domain as far as i'm concerned emailed it to me yeah exactly i don't think you shouldn't email me something if you don't want it on a public radio website everybody Nobody knows that. What is the dog's reasonable expectation of privacy, I believe, is probably where the, you know, the final say will be had. Okay, I'm looking at it. I'm sending this to your room. Aw. Right. So that's the lost dog posting. Golly, Tiff. I did just send you a tiny little photo of the ring camera. Oh, got it. Oh, this is great. So I'm going to be able to cross-reference here.

Yeah. Because we've got, again, we've got a photo of the dog that's missing, and then we've got a photo of, hold on, Enhance. It's really tiny. I got this. I'm going to. Boy, they must not. maybe those ring cameras just take tiny little uh oh that's the same dog yeah i think so that's absolutely the same i really i mean i'm not even joking never felt more like uh some kind of investigator than looking at this ring camera like yeah you know what i mean like this is right out of an episode of fbi starring multiple tbtl listeners like this is the kind of stuff that jeremy cisco is doing yeah we've got this photo of the suspect and then we saw this you know Security cam footage and then they're like Enhancing and they're cross referencing I honestly think I know We can't do this today and also you and I Would be too shy to be seen out Doing this in the neighborhood anyway but like I'm like I am on the edge of asking If we can just take these microphones And just go wander the neighborhood and do the Rest of the show looking for Tiffany God I mean what How great would it be if we were able To find her then we get The hero's welcome I mean that's what It's all about right the ticker tape the celebration yeah i kidnapped her just to get the glory by the way that's the second time i made that joke the first time you were doing something on the computer oh i didn't even i just wanted to see i knew that i didn't hear you yes no but that's good because i knew it was a good joke and i knew if i just said it in the clear or if or if you say it enough i just laugh so the joke stops come on it's been 10 years i was saying i was saying this last night um when when we were doing live wire at town hall by the way take this as an acknowledgement that i heard your joke thank you to everyone who came out take this as me ignoring that comment thanks to everybody who came out to live wire last night it was super fun i mean what a great crowd it was it was a really cool night and as i mentioned to that audience um you know i i've talked about this on tbtl but i saw a taping of colbert a couple weeks ago and i don't know if i ever gave you the full rundown of how like insane the audience hyping was oh at colbert oh it was like an hour and a half

an hour and easily an hour and a half before like the show started taping they had a comedian out there literally yelling at us to get more excited wow and telling how were the jokes for the they were like not really jokes it was like this guy comes out he's yelling he's like get excited get excited yep and then everyone's like supposed to make a noise and he's like get it and then he like kind of called some people out of the audience and interviewed them and kind of did a like you know kind of ball busty like how long have you two been married and then this you know oh she says three years and she says four years like well which is it you know yeah like whatever this is my worst nightmare it was it was honestly rough but the other thing he said that i was i mentioned this to the crowd at um at the town hall last night he literally said to us if you hear a joke from colbert that you think is is kind of funny laugh like it's the funniest joke you've heard because you need to laugh loud to get picked up on the microphones. And as I said to the audience last night, I was like, I'm sitting in the crowd at Colbert going, this is an option. I've been flailing for 15 years. You can just tell people laugh louder than feels normal to you. And it might have worked because the crowd seemed very receptive last night to what was going on on stage. And I don't know if it was because they took the hint of like, just like if something seems a little bit funny, Just go over the top with your response Yeah I came away from that show with a really good feeling I would just like you to I would like you to consider this as an option In our professional relationship

I'll consider it Then may dismiss it You know I'm glad to hear that First of all salute to Brody Stevens Yeah yeah who It was like the anniversary of his passing recently And so a lot of people were posting like some of his Because of course he was kind of famously A warm up guy A warm up guy I think for, was it, it wasn't Ellen. Well, he did it for a bunch of different shows, but I think he was attached to Ellen maybe for a really long time. That would make sense. He just had that, not the Ellen-ness, but yeah, the energy of being a warm-up guy. Yeah, definitely. But I am glad to hear that that was the kind of vibe in your show last night because I almost asked you about this. I saw some photos posted and you did it at Town Hall, Seattle, which is a beautiful venue. and I haven't even been in there since they renovated it I mean it looks incredible but it is an old church right and so there's something about seeing the photos of people sitting like literally in benches that are pews and again I mean it's beautiful it's renovated for events like this but it's also for events like serious book talks and all kinds of in conversation with who would be the guy who used to work for The Stranger who would always be interviewing somebody at Town Hall Seattle Our guy, we can never remember his name Charles Mudetti, David Schmader Schmader is who I was sort of thinking of Yeah, I sort of feel like it was always Schmader But anyway, all of that is to say I wondered if it was conducive to laughter In a certain way Because it seems revered

I was wondering the same thing Because we haven't done that show upstairs We've done the show at Town Hall twice now But the first time was they have a theater downstairs That's where we did it This was upstairs in the big room And I was a little curious about that, too This is just boring, like, acoustic talk But, like, I play a Takamini That's my favorite acoustic guitar to play Oh, wait, I mean the acoustics of that room Is that a brand? That's just like a Actually, I'm more of an ovation guy I like a, you know, get to Do you ever play an ovation guitar? Is that the kind that has a little built-in amplifier inside of it? Yeah, but it's also the kind that the body of it is fiberglass Oh, yeah, yeah, right You know, it's like rounded that was like a big boy if you had an ovation and you could play like awesome is our god you were scoring at the youth group uh just fyi anyway no acoustic talk is in that room they part of the renovation of that place town hall was the uh like seismically retrofitted it yeah because it was you know not up to whatever the current code is for that stuff and then they also change the acoustics and it is for being a huge room it's so dead in a good way yeah so in other

words kind of not unlike a church like a good church will be very big and open but also very kind of like it'll not i mean i guess some cathedrals are kind of echoey and loud but some of them that i can think of from my youth would have a very like like the the sound did not carry very much it didn't feel cavernous which i was worried it would and the crowd felt very

right there yeah like the the crowd was was also again i literally think they might have taken the hint over the colbert thing also was a lot of people i know personally like from my you know life in seattle and so i think that that was they know they have to laugh exactly they know me they

understand they know what the deal is he's gonna tell the joke again if he don't laugh right

it puts the laugh in the basket or it gets the joke again um but

But no, it didn't. I was a little nervous about that. And I was a little nervous that it would be that the whole thing might feel a little bit formal because it's a beautiful, formal space. Exactly, yeah. But it wasn't. And the other thing that helped was, you know, the band that we had on was that band Who Is She that we talked about on this show because they got basically pulled from their gig playing at the hockey games. Yeah. Because they did the song that said Jeff Bezos is a jerk. Yeah. Billionaires won't work. Yeah. So we had them as the musical act and they were really great. They talked about that experience. I was going to say, you must have asked. Yeah, and they played that song, My Orca Card, and it was a good energy and it was a good, like, it sort of made it so that the night could never get too respectful or too reverent because we had this kind of, like, basically punk, kind of punk band on and stuff. So, no, the energy was good. I was wondering that same thing myself, though, because it is such a, like you said, it's a lot of in conversation with. Now, again, if I can just continue to bore down on the least interesting details of this whole thing, one of the things that we noted was for this, it's this incredible grand space to do the show. The back area, the sort of green room, if you will, is unbelievably Spartan. There's really not a green room. There's like an area you can kind of stand behind the stage. Like there's a little room. There are no surfaces. We have a release that everybody who's coming on the show has to sign. so we can use their image and likeness and their voice on the radio. The only place to sign this was a mini fridge that was in the corner. It was the only surface area. And this was last night, even in the big hall. Because I know that you were telling us last time that when you did it downstairs, you had to change in the stall in the bathroom that was open to the public. Upstairs, same vibe. Although the public wasn't coming back there, so that was kind of a win. But literally, there was a line of people. It's like Adam Gopnik is waiting behind a Brenda Shaughnessy who's waiting behind the people from Who Is She. Everyone is standing in line to hunch over the mini fridge and fill out their release because it was the only it's like it's a weird. And here's what I realized. It's because this is a place that is mostly in conversation with. It's not it's not like a place where you have a lot of like a show like ours that has a ton of moving parts and that has like a whole house band. and like multiple guests and also a musical act like it's usually a person on stage who's very smart interviewing another person on stage is very smart david schmader interviewing jill lapore exactly and so that doesn't you don't need a crazy amount of backstage like you know whereas when we play a theater like the holt center in eugene there's nine dressing rooms that's like and i have to tell you i have to tell you i am a sucker i put an instagram video up of me they for some reason weirdly people last time we did the holt center the music that was playing

throughout the green rooms was the b-52s and i was like listening to your own private idaho as i'm like but what always gets me are those rooms where you have a mirror and then you have the mirrors surrounded by those yellow bulbs yep yep that you can turn it up and down oh nice That's the most that I ever feel like, Mama, am I a star? Did I make it, Mama? You're just putting lipstick on over and over and over. Yeah, because it's just until the pain goes away. Because it's like that's the stereotypical or whatever you want to call it. That's like the trope of somebody who's about to go out and make it. That's like the Liza Minnelli fantasy. You throw the boa over your shoulder as you get up. You go like, if I could make it here and Eugene, I'll make it anywhere. You know, kind of a vibe. And I have to say, I fully fall for that kind of energy of that room. They do not have that going on at the old town hall. No, there's a church. But they do have good acoustics. And you know what? That's probably more important. That's good. I'm glad to hear it went well. Let's go find Tiffany. That's honestly what I want to do today. I don't want to talk about town hall anymore. Okay, let's do this, though. Let's take a quick break. Then let's get the rest of TBT out of the way. Then let's go be heroes. Yes. Just for one day. I don't have a Sherlock Holmes hat, but I have enough baseball caps that we can wear one forward and one backwards. I'm going to go with four. I went a north or south and an east and a west. Even better for detecting. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dazzle. All rightily. Let's thank some dazzling donors. These are the wonderful, generous people making TBTL possible. They're donating a dazzling amount of dough. Frank McCready is the first person we want to thank, who's in Puyallup, Washington. Frank says, hi, guys. I got a six degrees anecdote this year. I worked for a grocery company for 25 years. We got out. We got bought out, that is. And the new owners fired everybody. Sorry, Frank.

On my last delivery to one of my San Juan Island customers, they gave me a gift basket, which included coffee from Broadcast Coffee. Oh, our friend Broadcast Berry. That's the degree of separation. Love the show. Additional note from Frank. Hi, Andrew. I'm sure that I have the same Sears wet-dry vacuum that you grew up with. I bought it in the early 80s, and it still works.

Yeah, it was a, yeah, like you said, did he say Sears here? Yeah. My dad had this – I don't know if we talked about it on this show or if it was just a spotless thing, but I was on the internet looking for photos of the shop vac, the wet-dry shop vac that I grew up with. Oh, man. I got to say, we were talking before, joking around about whether someone would be more concerned about having a lost dog or a lost child. I will tell you what, my dad was a good dad, and he loved his kids, but we might have been a very close second place to that wet-dry vac. That wet-dry vac had a place of honor in our house. And would it be primarily used for wet, for dry? Primarily for dry, but sometimes you have to put that wet filter on there. Got that option. Because we had a basement that would flood sometimes. Not terribly, but enough that there was an inch or two of water across the whole one part of this basement. And so that would be a whole ordeal. You had to pop on a different filter. Are you familiar with this technology? It's more of a rubber filter instead of the paper one?

See, I don't think I knew that there was a... I mean, I have a couple of wet-dry vacs at the place that I'm working on. I don't think I've used them on water yet, but I don't think I knew that you were supposed to change something.

I think so, because I could be wrong about that, and maybe we didn't switch it all the time, but I think that the usual filters are made of paper or cardboard or something, and so the wetness would just make it soggy. Well, you know what's funny?

The one that I inherited, like, was at the house when I bought it, is Sears. I bet you it's this one. And they clearly lost the filter, and what they had done is rubber-banded a, like, wash rag as a filter. Oh, my gosh. which worked terribly yeah so i took that off and got a replacement it didn't work oh you could

pass through it you you broke the bank and you you went in you you cashed out your 401k and

you know what i did you know what i really did i bought a ryobi electric wet dry vac oh he's bought a different vacuum cleaner and then my dad said well does that sears one work and i said i don't know and he goes oh well they have a wash rag as the filter and then he was like we'll just get a different filter when we go to home depot and then we did and now they both work now you have two shop vacs yeah but that's the luke burbank solution is i should probably go buy a

like 300 ryobi electric shop vac electric like they're all battery powered oh i see like it's

like i like it doesn't not gas powered not gas powered it's diesel it runs on peanut oil i get from thai restaurants no but i mean it it takes you know they have this whole ryobi system now i have a bunch of ryobi stuff cordless that's nice and it uses this battery that's interchangeable through various ryobi products so like i have um i have a big um like a not a commercial heater but i have like a construction heater so it's a you know basically you hook a propane tank up to it and it just blows and you can like if we're working in the adu it can warm the whole thing up really fast faster than just like a space heater would that uses the same battery power as the wet-dry vac. There's all these Ryobi... But that also uses propane, did you say? It uses the propane as the fuel, but you need to have also an electrical current because there's a little element that's lighting the propane on fire as it's coming out. Anyway, this Ryobi system is pretty slick, but I didn't need to buy the cordless wet-dry vac. I could have just fixed the Sears one that Frank McCready also probably has, but I'm just bad with that kind of stuff. Do you want me to buy the old one off of you? Maybe I could give it to you for Hanukkah. Okay, that sounds good. I really appreciate that. Hey, Frank, by the way, I hope you're doing okay being bought out. I mean, that really sucks, man. 25 years at the same company, and then you get bought up and they fire everybody. Why do people do that, by the way? Why do you buy a company and then fire everybody? That's like right out of a movie in terms of being the villain.

Yeah, it does. And also, like, and not to get into Frank's business, but just, like, a reminder, like, Dazzling Donors, the reason Dazzling Donors get a special message read and everything is because they are giving extraordinarily generously to TBTL to keep this alive. And so, if you just kind of lost your job in this ignominious way. Ooh, good use of ignominious. I was wondering if that was good use or not. Ding. Thank you for, um, do you want the bell, by the way? No, that's okay. Your bell is over there in Seattle. Nah, I get a little bell happy sometimes. But, uh, yeah, no, no shit. Thank you for digging deep, and I hope you're doing all right, man.

Yeah, we'll be thinking of you, man, and we really do appreciate you. I'll think of you every time I use that Sears. Do you not have one? Is that why you?

I don't have a shop vac now, and I'm sort of like I'm a homeowner. It's probably time to get back into the shop vac game, right? Andrew, let me bring you this Sears wet dry. I'm not trying. I mean, if you really don't need it, I would take it. No, I've got the other one.

Yeah, absolutely. I would be honored.

But, yeah, I mean, it's a little bit of a storage thing. As soon as you get that pickleball court put in, it'd be a great way to get a little standing water out there. Just dry that bad boy right out.

Say maestro.

Maestro.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set.

You know, in swing dancing, we used to call that back leading. In corporate America, they call it managing up. Yep. Yeah. We've also got to thank Dazzling Donor, Chad Bates, who's out there in Bothell, Washington, for however long it feels right to Chad. Chad says, Ahoy, ahoy, fellas. I don't have a company or a charity to shout out this year, so I will go with the topic that has been the focus of a lot of my reading this year, which is male friendship. This has been a real concern for me through the pandemic because of the move to work from home and everyone isolating to stay healthy. in thinking about and reading about friendships i realized most men are really bad at keeping friendships alive we usually require our employers or the women in our lives to keep us in relationships with other men so i have a couple books to recommend if others of any gender identity would like some ideas on how to make and keep friends platonics platonic rather by dr marissa Franco and We Need to Hang Out by Billy Baker. Both have really opened my eyes to how most people struggle to make relationships work, especially non-romantic ones. I think this is very topical for TBTL since the Cobros are a rare example of long-term male friendship and we are trying to solve global loneliness. Wow, Chad, that's really something to think about. I think it's interesting that chad is citing andrew you and i as uh a kind of a rare exception of long-term male friendship because this is also our job like yeah but we're getting paid we get paid to do this i doesn't mean that we wouldn't be friends but i do think you are by far and away the uh the certainly the male person that i talk to the most in the world and but it's because this is our job if we if this wasn't our job if we were just friends and you worked at a radio station and i worked on live wire or whatever i know we would text each other probably text about the mariners a lot a lot but i but i think the nature of our friendship would probably be different which i think goes to chad's point that i think you know particularly men i think we we do have a hard time maintaining friendships in adulthood uh and uh you know that's something i kind of been thinking about that too a little bit being down in portland and being kind of there was something that was going on i forget what it was but it was just like a bunch of like it was all of y'all up and this is friendship across genders but it was all of y'all up doing some fun thing at the eagles and there was like a text chain going around about it and i was saying to becca i was like it's really kind of funny because those are all pretty much my best friends in the world and they all hang out together and they all have fun and i'm very rarely part of that because you're the reason a lot of us

know each other like you were very close with camaro kev i mean that's the thing too it's kind of it's proximity it's life but like you and kamara kev were like i mean yeah you are great friends but like right when you lived in the area you guys were thick as thieves you were out together probably every weekend night yeah probably so wait do you guys ever go out not on weekends not you two i can't imagine that no never sitting in a uh jack-in-the-box parking lot at three in the morning listening to a george brett george brett pooping his pooping his pants story uh yeah that

must have been a sunday night yeah leading into see that was that was we really need to get back no we don't we need to not get back on that schedule that was when tbtl didn't start until 7 p.m oh right oh that was dangerous those were dangerous days because i just i didn't really i didn't really have to wake up to like three in the afternoon this is a i think this is a strange

place for me to take this conversation um but we're talking specifically about this kind of friendship and you know me i don't usually go in for gender dynamics generally speaking but i understand what chad is talking about here i think yeah and um pd usa i mean we tell i always don't tell the boys that's one of the songs but actually a big and he really as a musician his name is pd p-e-t-e-y he's pd usa on tiktok so i always call him that but that's the artist's name and i need some people think it's p period d period because i talk so fast but it's pt is his name but like he has got one full album out now and then one album was kind of of like kind of kind of b-side sort of material but like a through line of his stuff is friendships and but also though and you get the impression that they tend to be kind of male friendships but like in the most anti-toxic masculinity way you could possibly imagine about like watching like shows from the 90s and crying or rolling around a baseball field but like having like true emotional connection and i almost think that like in his tiktoks and the weird ass shit he does on tiktok like there he's just playing all of the characters but it's still about that it's still about this weird friendship bonding thing and that's like that's it's a core principle of what he's putting out into the world in a way that i'm not doing a good job of describing

i know i i totally agree with you though that even when he's playing all the characters what he's sort of representing is a bunch of guys being together in a space and like the thing is vulnerable i always feel better after i hang out with my friends particularly my friends of any gender but like you know like whether it's kamara kev or you like socially outside of this i mean the only times when i probably feel less great about it is like shalanigans because there's just so much power drinking that you're just like physically well not last year i heard last year was really tame last year was really tame which was good so you were there last year i was and it was tame and it was kind of great in that way i guess absent like it being too much in other words absent like the amount of drinking getting out of control to where you just don't feel physically particularly well the next day when i hang out with my friends i always feel better afterwards and it doesn't like what i need to do is figure out a way to integrate more friendship hangs that don't involve alcohol necessarily and that aren't happening just at night at a bar like it would never occur to me to call up a friend and say hey do you want to like go walk around green lake you know and like that's a really restorative really good thing to do with people and even just last night doing live wire and like just seeing a bunch of friends um who i hadn't seen in a long time you know and being like like there was one friend that showed up a friend of mine named ben and like ben is is somebody who i was friends with in high school we both transferred to the high school that i graduated from as seniors which is weird so we were kind of friends because we both like didn't know anyone and he was somebody who was really important in my life when addie was born and when there was this period of time where i was freaking out and basically like i had stopped going on my visits because it was weird i would go to i would go to addie's maternal grandparents house where you know her mom we were in high school her mom lived at home yeah i go to her mom's house right where her parents were kind of like even though

you weren't a couple at this point it's like going to your girlfriend's mom's house yes although

yeah although we weren't really dating at this time but i would go there and i would hold this baby that terrified me for like 45 minutes and make small talk and then i would drive back home and then the next week i would drive out and do this again and and it was really i was really immature and it was really intimidating and so like i missed a week because i just didn't want to do it and then i felt like i was in trouble because i missed a week so then i like missed a second week yeah yeah yeah and then it just was building and then it was worse because now it's like i haven't been out there for a month and it grew to be i don't know probably three four months or something and this friend of mine ben and i he was aware of the situation and stuff and we went on this walk and uh and he just like kind of coached me up on like how important this thing was in my life and sort of like you know did he have a reason to have more perspective on it no he was just like kind of a wise he was just like a smart person who just was very you know in touch with i think like his emotions and just kind of like bigger ideas of life you know and he was just kind of i forget exactly how he phrased it i remember we hung out this was a day where we hung out for probably 10 hours and we were walking around and we end up at daniel bagley elementary school where i had gone to school obviously as a kid sitting on the play skate we're like two like guy i'm like a freshman in college or whatever so is he we both went to the uw and he just kind of gave me this pep talk that without sounding judgy just sort of let me know like this is a thing you really want to try to get figured out in your life you know and i did from that conversation i went home to my apartment and i wrote a letter to to addy's mom and that was the start of us getting things back on track you know and like last night ben is there at the show and addy is there at the show you know it's very like yeah you know kind of emotional uh for me anyway that whole idea of like friendship is a very important thing which that's not me saying anything um profound but it reminded me of like the ways in which like you know it's very important to me to be connected to people and I lose sight of that because I get really caught up in like my life and my work travel and all these other things and just how kind of important those friendships can be and last night I was really thinking about that because looking out at the audience there was like a variety of people who have been very important to me at stages of my life you know so yeah so so thank you for reminding me of that chad yeah and also thank you for the money and also thank you for the money let's not lose sight of that either thanks chad appreciate

you and thanks also frank for uh supporting tbtl hello and welcome to top story all right

there's a Story in the Washington Post about the president and the first lady going out to a restaurant called Red Hen in Bloomingdale, which I used to live in D.C.

I don't know where that neighborhood is, but you know, when I read that, I was like, oh, yeah, that is one of those places I feel like I've heard mentioned a lot. It's like a D.C. is like a D.C. restaurant, the restaurant, the Red Hen. Yeah, to be seen at. And I feel like maybe that's from my time in New Hampshire when things were a little bit more politics forward in my life. I don't know primary season I don't know why being in New Hampshire would affect a restaurant in DC anyway it rings a bell to me I think it's kind of a and I'm guessing I'm also guessing knowing how

certainly not the previous president but if you go back to like Obama the where the president goes and eats dinner is a probably a very sort of like I assume that there are a lot of people that weigh in on that decision because it's a statement about class it's a statement about you know it's just there's so much other stuff that is represented by like where you go grab dinner and whether it's bill clinton going to mcdonald's or whether it's the previous president at one of his shitty restaurants putting ketchup on a steak yeah you know where obama goes maybe a black-owned business like there's just it i don't think you wake up as the president go you know

what i feel like tonight yeah right i'm gonna go down to tubs to have everything scrutinized right in that way is like this article even sort of sets it up too because like oh people are all abuzz about this dinner that jill and joe biden had but they even say it's not because they ordered foie gras right or something controversial in that way it was that they they both ordered the same entree they both ordered do you have the drop where people go gasp for about 45 minutes let's see here sorry i should have uh asked you about that ahead of time

the rigatoni my goodness they got the like the rigatoni with sausage and um they basically ordered the exact same thing They got a chicory salad to share, I believe. Grilled bread and butter, which, by the way, sounds really good to me. Yeah, that does sound good. Yeah, kind of a rustic. Yeah, kind of warm that bread up. And then two bowls of rigatoni. Now, it's a hearty meal. That is. That does sound filling. Miss you with the hickory, I assume. The chicory, yes. Because I don't like chicory in coffee. I had yeah you know I had some um tomato soup yesterday before we went up to do the show and they had it was this real cool place down in downtown Seattle called Mr. West which just isn't just a thing they play on the Kanye songs yeah right that's what I heard wake up Mr. West but like um it just happened to be adjacent to the hotel and they it seemed like it wasn't going to be a whole thing so we went over there I just wanted to grab a little snack and I got this tomato soup the place was very cool actually I liked it and the service was great But the soup had like a sweetness to it that was almost like a cardamom or a cinnamon or a chicory. And I was just reminded that, like, we don't have to put sweet. We don't have to like the standard taste of tomato soup has been pretty great over the years. Why do we have to put our own spin on everything?

You know, it's funny that you say that. I'm not a big fan of tomato soup. I grew up not liking tomatoes, so I didn't really like tomato soup. But now, of course, I used to think they were poisonous.

Uh, what's that? Do you know that? Do you know they used to think tomatoes were poison? I used to think that. No, but that was a whole thing. Oh. They used to think, I mean, you know what? The internet could maybe prove this wrong, but I was under the impression growing up that for a long time, at least probably like in England or wherever the story started, people thought tomatoes were poisonous. And there was somebody who realized they weren't. And to prove they weren't, this person stood in the town square and ate a tomato to prove to everyone that they were edible. And then they coincidentally had a heart attack. And nobody touched tomatoes for another hundred years. That really undermined the message.

Do you think that Tom Brady thinks that they're poisonous? They're poisonous to his hotness. And his joints. But I was going to say, I have no desire to really have tomato soup. In my head, I think of what the flavor profile is, and it doesn't appeal to me. The funny thing is, when you were talking about having this soup that was kind of punched up a little bit, I was like, ooh, maybe I would try that. Not that I'm a huge chicory guy, but like, um, I don't know. You need to, cause I think of a tomato soup is almost, and again, I have not had a bite of tomato soup probably in 35 years at least, but I think of a metallic taste to it. You know how tomatoes, you know, Bloody Mary sometimes can have a metallic taste. So if you had something that sort of rounded that off a little bit, that sounds nice.

Why did Europeans, uh, think that the tomato was poisonous for more than 200? years so um uh a nickname for the fruit was the poison apple no because it was thought that aristocrats got sick and died by eating them around 1880 with the invention of the pizza in naples the tomato grew widespread in popularity in europe but there's a little more to the story behind the misunderstood fruits uh one of the earliest known european reference of food was

made blah blah blah whatever i'm not gonna bore people i did not know that pizza literally was invented in italy i really thought it was one of those american things that we use like mostly

like kind of italian food ingredients in right or like wasn't isn't wasn't pasta invented in china oh i could see the actual noodles yeah because it was like a noodle thing well anyway here's my question to you i i have to say i was shocked would be an overstatement but i did think it was an interesting jumping off point because i have not i can't remember the last time that i was out with a significant other and that's a that's an important distinction yeah it's not just being out like with me and camaro kev going out to grab some dinner or whatever or you and i if we're like traveling for the fawn or whatever yeah i can't remember a time i've been out with a significant other where we have ordered the exact same entree yeah i mean i can think of

times when it's been a really long time and i will agree that it is a conversation like when i'm out with Genevieve there is a discussion whether it's a nice restaurant or just even a diner like there is always a conversation ahead of time what are you going to get right and that that enters into your decision making and 99 of the time we get different things I was even thinking like you know not that Genevieve ever asks me to do this but knowing that Genevieve doesn't eat pork if we're at kind of a nicer place where I think she'll want to bite like I'll avoid getting something that is that is like pork is the main dish usually um the one exception being the last time i had dinner with you and genevieve i got a big pork chop because it looked really good on the menu oh yeah noble rot that was so good i was just telling these just yesterday i was just like that was like because i mentioned sorry i'm a little bit all over the place but because i mentioned at the end of yesterday's show that like i know that i've painted myself in the corner as somebody who doesn't like nice restaurants which i don't think that's true i think i don't like the pretense of restaurants that think they're too cute or clever or that they're telling a story and like it doesn't even usually have to do with the price point of the restaurant that place we went noble rot is that what it's called like you were their website and it's like they have a philosophy and they're doing it but they grow the veggies on the roof but you know but it's a real thing and you know what like when you go in there it's a nice place but it lacked any kind of pretense there was no let me tell you about this or like you know what i mean there was no it was just incredibly good food in a really relaxing place with a nice view you know what I mean like that was good I don't hate that sure I hate it when people act like they're doing like I was making the uh this comparison to Genevieve at dinner last night compared to like there's a taco place in Fremont I think or that that area by Gasworks Park here in Seattle and it's like Pablo y Pablo and we met some co-workers of Genevieve's there for after work one time and And it's like inspired by the poetry of Pablo Neruda and Pablo Escobar and the art of Pablo Picasso. And our restaurant represents the intersection of their friendship and our food represents like something about that.

I bet you I would love the food at that place.

It was fine. That's the thing, though. It wasn't there that like they had a good, I think, homemade salsa selection. That was nice. But it's not like a fancy restaurant or something. you just go for tacos for lunch but it's not taco time you know right and it's total the food is totally fine but this idea of we are trying to find the intersection of these two men named pablo to tell their story right tacos bullshit that's you're selling good tasting tacos like

can we just do that yeah i have a hard time when we've got chefs in the listening audience who might i guess would would push back on this but you know i watch a lot of those cooking shows And like Top Chef and things And people often talk about like the story Their food tells and everything That to me is just a language that I guess I don't speak If the food is yummy I like it And if it's not I don't like it And I mean there's certainly a talent to Probably the way the coursing is put together You know what I mean In other words the first thing not being too heavy So that it doesn't kind of like ruin your appetite For the second thing Or like maybe taking someone on like kind of a journey Of like this first thing is this kind of taste and then the main course is this kind of taste and the dessert really brings it all home I could see somebody being very elegant with that yeah but this idea like it's a real buzzy thing in the competitive cooking and even just because I interview a lot of chefs for Livewire right and actually you know what I talked to a chef the other day that I found to be so refreshing her name is Elena Regan and she is a Michelin starred chef so that's you know Like a very high honor She had a restaurant

restaurant in chicago and she uh was saying in this book that she wrote which is about foraging she's like really into foraging for mushrooms and stuff that she really loved cooking but she didn't love being a chef and what she didn't like was the stuff you're talking about all the like craziness of like the presentation and the telling a story and also for her it was the actual like carbon footprint of the restaurant oh sure so now she and her wife own this um this little like kind of bed and breakfast called the milkweed in in the upper peninsula of michigan and people go out there for the weekend and she and her wife just like cook up a bunch of like insanely good food and you just hang out with your friends there's little cabins and you eat there's a fire there's like a three-year waiting list for this she told me she could maybe move me up on the line to two years i haven't had i haven't found out how before you do this could you watch the movie the menu

and then tell me if you still want to go. You know the broad... I'm guessing they're eating people. No, no, it's not quite that. I'm guessing Soylent Green is people. It gets dark. Here, can I read this to you? Yes. I'm on the Pablo y Pablo website. And this would be terrible. Like, what if this is run by tens or something? I mean, that's why I'm... This is brave. Are you... Well, I mean, I'm just going to give my opinion. And if you own this restaurant and you're a fan of TBTL, my apologies. Reach out to me and I will... My apologies. But here is on their website. And again, I liked the food here. It was fine. I've been there a couple of times. It's fine.

Particularly if they've got a selection of tequilas, I promise you I would. They'll kick you out for evening. I could absolutely while away an afternoon there and probably enjoy the food greatly.

But here's what I think is unnecessary. This is their, I guess, their description or mission statement or whatever. By bringing together combinations. First of all, there's a typo. I think it should be either a combination or combinations. I'm going to say a combination by bringing together a combination of diverse tastes on our menu in a warm and inviting environment. We strive to evoke the same harmonious spirits of Pablo Picasso and Pablo Neruda, two artists whose friendship found a common cause in both art and peace from different corners of the world. Pablo y Pablo aims to give a genuine dining experience to our guests that's just as warm and energized as those two artists and their lasting friendship.

So in other words, they bring out a taco. That's very sexy, but it looks like you're just looking at the side of the taco. That's exactly right. That's my attempt at a Neruda meets Cubist taco joke.

This is also a problem with maybe websites and all of this shit, because I don't know. I think that it was like Genevieve at one point several years ago before the pandemic said, hey, we're meeting, you know, meeting some friends of mine and colleagues for for dinner. okay that sounds good and you know me like i will then be like sometimes i have like social anxiety about that so then i like go and i just want to look at the the the outside of the building on google maps or something i don't know what it is but sometimes that calms me so i'm like okay what is this place we're going to and you read this and you're just and i went into the dinner with such a bad attitude because i was just like constantly telling genevieve like do you think the salsa captures the essence of the friendship between the two pablos or whatever and that's a bad attitude if i didn't read this online i went in i'd be like oh it's a nice place who fresh

salsa yes good tacos amen yeah good you know i can't get over how great it really would be if it was like pablo neruda and pablo escobar just kind of like the poems of love and also duck and cover yeah you're in you are caught between two cartels right now and also this is our uh say hello to my little friend platter um in japan some of these uh kind of i always call them robo sushi but that's really a misdescription because it's not like a robot is making the sushi it's on the conveyor belt it's a conveyor belt but it's funny because i've always just called it that for shorthand like oh do you want to go to that robo sushi place and all i mean is it's the kind where they put it on a conveyor belt right right but they've there's apparently a wait for social media trend where people lick communal soy sauce bottles or touch people's sushi or put their cigarette out in, you know, like, there's just like people are, in Japan some people have been like, shooting little videos of messing with the food as it's going down the conveyor belt I'm kind of surprised it took this long for some juvenile delinquent to think of this, you know?

Well, sort of, except like I I don't know if this gets into the repeat of some of the generational stuff we were talking about earlier this week, but happily, the rise of social media, for the most part, did not bring along with it a rise in people using it to celebrate cruelty. I know that that sounds nuts because I think it's made some kids' lives hell because of... yeah like i mean i know that there's cyber bullying i was cyber bullied within an inch of my life last night i know that like this stuff does affect like especially younger people whatever but generally speaking the things that i see as somebody who's not super involved in social media the stuff that goes viral are pushback on bullying and also just like dances and things that are like celebratory and not like just like get a load of me like maybe a little bit of prank but even that it's like good-hearted pranks it's like somebody pranking their partner or something but it's not

like watch me like lick soy sauce i saw a prank the other day that i would have loved and i bet you you would have loved less it was i think they i don't know where they were maybe times square i couldn't figure exactly where but it was basically this like six or seven like maybe 20 something guys and what they had was one of those basketball hoops that's like you know got the base on it that's got wheels yeah they had one of those and they had a basketball and what they would do is they would see somebody walking down the street it's a very busy street and they would kind of bounce gently bounce the ball towards them and then the four of the guys would run up with the hoop and set it up to see if somebody would like catch the ball and try to shoot it i like what would their reaction be yeah it was amazing how many people just like would like duck from the ball or like hit it away or i think a lot of people are on their phones and probably a lot of people think these people are playing basketball i don't want to get in totally

if i knew for sure that they were like kind of they wanted me to pick up the ball i like to think that i would take a shot and totally miss of course but um i think my instinct would be like when i see people playing basketball i'm like these are people who know how to play basketball

give them their space you know what i mean right i think i think that was kind of what was going on for folks because i just kept being like and there's like they do like 20 people in like the first 19 i mean it's edited but like the 19 people they show are all just kind of like mildly one guy's like really annoyed but they're mostly mildly confused slash bemused but it just seemed like a low stank low stanks yeah see like a low stakes prank where it wasn't being mean to people again they weren't like firing the ball at him it was like gently bouncing it if and then of course it like ends with like a kid does grab it and shoots it and everyone's like yeah right But I was like, that's a kind of a nice prank. Yeah, it is. And I'm with you. Like, I think you're right. I think with all the caveats of like, yes, there is there is bullying and like the comment sections can be really gross for so many reasons on the Internet about things and marginalized people being, you know, just threatened. All of that is real. But I do think you're right that at least the part of the Internet that you and I hang out on, maybe it's because we're not on 4chan or truth social. but still like tick tock that's the mainstream tick tock and it is and tick tock you're right it's like what really goes viral are things that are generally pretty light-hearted again dances something funny or something where the person who is behaving badly the person who's having a meltdown on a flight the person who's yeah being rude in the store it's being amplified because the society the culture of tick tock is saying that's not okay yeah that's true there is that But I'm but I'm saying I still think it supports your point, which is it's not mostly like people licking a soy sauce bottle and it getting 10 million views and everyone being like, this is great. Yeah, you really don't see as much of that as you might expect, which is sort of encouraging in a way. I guess enough of it happened in Japan that this company is now going to change how they will send out. It was it's a chain of sushi restaurants called Choshimaru, and they've got dozens of locations in Tokyo. um what they're they're going to um basically they're getting rid of the conveyor belt now what happens is you order your sushi from a screen they still send it on the conveyor belt but it's described in the article as an express lane okay which i'm just trying to understand it shoots it out to you as a kid who had a lionel train set i'm just interested in the mechanics of it like how's that so i use a touch screen which i'm sure they love because like the less human interaction the fewer employees and then I'm going to tell it I would like this roll and then it puts it on express lane that comes right to me so no one can lick it yeah okay yeah I guess that'll work I mean I'm interested you can keep an eye on it like watching your bags at the airport do you think I wonder if the whole origins of the conveyor belt sushi I always just thought it was a shtick like it was just like a fun way to get sushi but I guess it's also probably there's like a

labor i i guess savings yeah i haven't been to a lot of them but there was one on capitol hill do you remember that one on broadway for a while near pike and pine yeah um i remember when we were relatively new to seattle views and i would go there a couple of times and it was a fun it was just like kind of a fun gimmick but also yeah i mean i guess the thing is you don't have to deal with waiters now servers i should say right um i also have found addy and i went to one like christmas

day two years ago You we had like a really fun Christmas day where we went and saw licorice pizza and then like walked home kind of in the snow and we're trying to find a Chinese restaurant to get some food and there was like lines out the door I had to order it from like Vancouver, Washington or something crazy on DoorDash but we started the afternoon by going to a robo sushi place which was terrible or conveyor belt sushi. There's another place in Japan called Kura that they're taking a different approach to trying to get rid of this kind of behavior they've upgraded their ai assisted cameras which they already had set up this is a little i don't know about this they have these cameras that are already set up in the restaurant to basically track how many dishes that you take so it used to be i think that somebody would come around and just count your empties sure yeah you know the plates yeah would be different colors indicating what kind of sushi was on there and someone just comes around and goes like okay you got that three oranges and a brown or something now the ai camera watches you how much you take off of uh the the conveyor belt also suspicious activity like if you remove a single serving plate and then put it back on you're gonna get flagged okay yeah well i actually kind of like that i know it actually that actually seems like it'd be that would be an easy thing to do these days i mean the cameras are so sophisticated in terms of figuring out behaviors like just the ones i talk about this all the time the ones that are watching me scan my groceries now at fred meyer like i feel like it would not be hard for an ai program to notice someone taking something off of something and then putting that same something back on yeah which there'd be no reason to do that if you take it off now it's yours you own it you broke it you bought it it's the pure one principle i feel like it should be it would be easy for it to know then but then there's also just the kind of weird energy of like hey let's go out for a nice night of being surveilled by this ai program yeah yeah i guess so but also it sounds

like this you know my experience with conveyor belt sushi isn't usually like kind of a high level dining experience it isn't like hey let's go out and have a it's just it's more of a fun sort of thing so if you're going into it and you're like oh yeah they use ai i don't know that it's going to bother the dining i don't know for me it's just sort of like it's it's already sort of a weird wacky world when you're into that i mean the thing is like the conveyor belt just as far as the i guess i'll call it pranking but really it's just like grossness like what's the difference between doing that and just like taking the ketchup and whatever syrup depending on the restaurant you're at off the table and doing it and by the way i knew some asshats in high school who did that and i'm it makes me sick when i think i was probably one of the asshats who maybe

unscrewed the salt shaker top yeah i remember when we all discovered that that's like that's i know that's the kind of thing i feel like you get to you get a slight pass on being an immature idiot with that as long as you see the error of your ways and would not do that in adulthood but that one's I regret that alright how about a little music for your weekend before we get on out of here do you have big weekend

plans do I have big weekend plans yes my friend's birthday party our friend's birthday party is tomorrow night at the Eagles and she's having a really big blowout party I think they're gonna be drag I saw the invite I that looks so fun yeah god I wish I could stick around for that um I was what at first I thought it was tonight and I was like oh you could stick around for that but I realize it's tomorrow and also you don't get home much well

the problem I know that's the thing I'm always torn though because when I'm up here and of course I miss all my friends see previous comments but also I as you know I have to make my way down to this other like house thing that i'm working on because oh yeah section of like tyvek which is the thing that goes on the house but underneath the siding has come undone in the wind and my neighbor who's like thankfully keeping eyes on things sent me a picture of it i've got to go down there and get up on a ladder in the wind this may be my last episode of the show and i know i'm

a little bit worried about you're telling me about that you said it's a 30 foot ladder that your dad calls the widow maker like i and you said that nobody's at the house can you i'm like i feel like really oh condescending or overprotective like i honestly think that somebody should know that you're somebody my neighbor brian yeah like hey bry i mean for real like i was gonna ask for you to do that like it was that is a tall i mean if you were to fall off that ladder and you don't have anybody there at the house with you like that's my phone in my pocket i even got one phone

in my pocket and the other one is dialing 9-1-1 I uh yeah I'll um Becca will be with me so I'll have somebody you know ready to call it's it's funny though because you know I don't know if this happened to you and Vives when you bought this place I'm guessing that the previous owners really cleared everything out there's probably nothing in the house maybe the garage is the garage

anything yeah the garage there's kind of a weird

unspoken thing isn't there when you buy a house that it's like kind of okay to leave stuff in the garage as long as it's not like you wouldn't leave a bunch of garbage but like stuff that goes in a garage like what was left in your garage well a bunch

of stuff and some of it is still out there like well first of all like all kinds of paint cans and stuff which you kind of want like Genevieve and I need to put one of our ceilings yeah but then like a bunch of like kind of like lumber and stuff and then there were a couple of things and our agent And Sarah, who's our friend now, first you're an agent. Yes. Then you become friends. That is the way of the world. No, but I remember Sarah and I never bought a house like this before, meaning like through like an agent and everything. And we're like, well, we don't need this stuff in the garage. And Sarah said, well, I'm going to make it. I'm going to the dump anyway. Like, I'm going to swing by and pick up a bunch of stuff from the garage. And like Sarah took stuff to the dump for us that was left behind. And then I've seen in her Instagram story since that this is just sort of the life of a real estate agent that like she's like another dump run. I'm taking like this big foam. Was it a stuffed bunny or something different that somebody just loves going to the dump because that is one of the most fun things.

It is so much fun. Once you've done the hard work of loading the truck up or whatever, it's so fun to just push that shit out of the back of your truck right onto the ground.

I have the old vanity and mirror and stuff from my bathroom that I need. That's going to be expensive, though. Get some fast food on the way home. Subway.

Subway sandwiches, for some reason, are my project food. Mine used to be, when Addie was little and I lived here, it was a place called By's. By's was a very unremarkable. How do you spell that? B-Y apostrophe S. It's down in Soto. It's right by the giant. Because I lived, the first place that I had was in South Beacon Hill. and so i was constantly doing stuff there and filling the the truck up or the we didn't have a truck we had a jeep with like you know stuff like whatever garbage stuff and then drive it down there with addy on a saturday and then we dump it and then the reward was we would go to buys and we'd sit and it was like kind of like two tables and like you can take you know exactly what the burger tastes like even if you haven't probably got crinkle cut fries just kind of like a very like in the shadow of the garbage dumps which is like mostly seagulls in the parking lot oh parking lot seagulls just like addy and i sitting at bys having a burger on a saturday

after a dump run that's and now like even if it's not convenient you will associate that food with working on a project right i don't know how we ended up subway is subway i think it maybe started way back in new hampshire when we were painting our house or really like scraping our house which It was just like scraping the oil. It was just like so much work. I know we would get our nice sandwiches at this little shop. But then also, I think at some point, we're just like, just go to Subway. And now I think of Subway in that regard.

Well, so the people, when I bought this place that I'm fixing up, the guy left the ladder. And I was like, free ladder? I was like, in my mind, doing all this math of like, oh, God, this cost me X amount. But I got a free ladder. And then when my dad called it the Widowmaker, it was like, oh, they probably left it here because those are people don't really use those anymore oh really it's not just that it's tall but it's a it's a design that is something it literally has something on it called the suicide step oh great which is just it that's more dang that's that's that's overstating the danger what it is is that the not the bottom step but the next step up is missing and it has something to do with how the ladder is raised because two ladders that fit together and you lift one of them oh it's not an a-frame no it's no this is like this is a biggie shit this is a big one elizabeth right this is like you have to like go and there's like a pulley so you crank it it goes way up this yeah and then it's locking ideally in place and then you lean it up against the house but as you're coming down it's got the suicide step on it so you've got to remember that like there's not a there's it's missing a step and then the widow maker part of it that's just some unrelated shit about it just

being dangerous generally yeah jesus well that's why i'm not making it to katie's birthday and

that's why this might be my last episode of tbtl interesting i hope you're all happy the good news

is our listeners don't usually uh worry too much about our health i need to i need to calm really incentivize them to tune in on monday yeah no that is a really good point yeah if i'm the first voice on monday guys if i'm the first voice uh what song would you like to play on this friday i i've only listened to this once but i got an email from i want to say listener gabe okay gabe let's say i'm pretty sure it's listener gabe who said hey i know you like that old like a doo-wop-y sound and there's i i think this band is from new orleans and gabe had seen them recently perform they're called the lost teens if i'm saying that correctly they still have a little bit of a cold so i'll say It is.

Again, the Lost Teens. Do you like that doo-wop music? Well, not really. I don't know if he said doo-wop, but like music of a certain era. Like this is a lot of female vocalism. Because my favorite impression you do is a slightly negative impression of doo-wop music.

Doop, doop, doop.

No, this is like a, I don't know that he said doo-wop, and I don't think that's the right way of describing it. But it's like, this is, I think, a band that is performing now. Well, I know they are, because Gabe said he had seen them perform recently. I don't know if they have a very big following or not I'm not sure if they're signed with a label but anyway they are a they're a female vocalist group with nice harmonies and what not and kind of an older harkens back to an older style they're called The Lost Teens and I can't remember which one of these songs I liked more but I pulled two of them in my playlist here I'm going to play this one which is called Playing The Fool by The Lost Teens

Sweet, sweet words You used to say, say

My love is true and I want only you Can you blame me for playing the flute? My love is true and I want only you Can you blame me for playing the fool Can you blame me for playing the fool

You're holding back, I can see it clearly You're not giving what I want to take But I could feel something special Honey, don't make it nothing mistake

It's Playing the Fool by the Lost Teens. That's catchy. It is really catchy.

I'm intrigued by the recording of this. That's what I was going to say. It sounds very, it sounds, I don't know, kind of analog to me, and you can hear a little room tone, but kind of in a nice way.

I mean, I'm guessing that this might have been a live-to-tape recording or something there are other songs that I heard is recorded in a similar way but it definitely has like a microphone or a couple of microphones with a bunch of people around them all playing together not like in a studio where things are isolated and I gotta be honest with you I don't mean this as a diss I like this but I would also love to hear the more studio fied recording of this you know what I mean where you could really kind of kind of dry things up a little bit warm things up a little bit anyway Look at me, Phil Spector over here Oh god, I hope that's just a musical Production reference You know like, Robert Blake died yesterday And I was just immediately like All I could remember was just like I kind of got him confused With Phil Spector Because of their

He was Phil Spector who didn't go to jail Right, exactly, but should have I know, that was the same thought I had I was like, oh my god, I was like That guy wasn't in jail, was he? When it was like, very obviously the case i mean there was no other logical explanation for how his uh wife lost her life than this guy who had a history of violence uh and had issues with her you know i mean it was one of those it was the most bizarre thing that he was found not guilty and i had forgotten about this

i don't know if you reread this yesterday or if you just remember from the trial in 2004 and 5 but um i couldn't remember like well why wasn't he found guilty and apparently like there were three witnesses that did sort of like kind of put him there or whatever he was there I mean the murder happened outside of a restaurant it doesn't matter but either way there were three witnesses that would have put him in prison but apparently the jury dismissed them because they had a background of drug use and they said they couldn't be trusted right I mean what a that was just a

bizarre also I mean I think that the the the defense did a very good job of seriously like impugning the sort of like you know whatever of his of his wife who passed away her character exactly and making it sound like she was you know some kind of like uh you know gold digger i was like wow how much gold could be in them thar hills of yeah of of anyway robert blakely um well from that to this um happy friday everybody uh you know a couple weekends ago addie and i went and got this airbnb celebrating her birthday and i love hanging out with my daughter for so many reasons but one of them is because she always is hipping me to new music uh i was playing that mj lenderman last week uh that that i was listening to with her now this is very interesting to me andrew she was also hipping hipping me to old music as in music from the band len like

Thank you.

Like, Steal My Sunshine, Len, from the album You Can't Stop the Bum Rush. And that is the same album, right? I believe it is. And I would have thought, like, I actually love that song, Steal My Sunshine. Like, I think it's very catchy. But this is not that song. This is a song called Junebug that is off of that same album, I believe, anyway, if I have that right. It is. And this song is a vibe. like it is just a good song like i was personally shocked to know that len has not one but two very good songs i was also shocked to see that you know the outfits that the the outfit that the person the drawing on the cover of the len album you can't stop the bum rush totally in style again totally a style that people would young just that heavy 90s super heavy 90s retro like the 90s through the lens of the 70s like a bucket hat and like whatever it's just it's amazing it's all come back but anyway i was struck by what a good vibe this song june bug is by len so can we play that no this is not a cover of the b52 song june bug i don't believe so but you will tell me if it is i'll give you a little taste of that after this okay i'll bet you they're a little different We'll be right back. I feel like I need to talk over this part so that we buy ourselves a little more time in the clear with the singing because, you know, there are vocals. There are vocals, yes.

Shouldn't have gone this far Willingness and sudden greed Made all that much too

Alright, so that's a little sampling of Junebug It's good, right? That's really good I think I should listen to the rest of that record I mean, I only know two songs That one, because Addie was playing it on a playlist, and Steal My Sunshine, it makes me think maybe it's worth revisiting that entire album. Or visiting, for me. Yeah, you're right. That would also be visiting. Steal My Sunshine, first of all, that is one that I try to remember to put on my jukebox list when I'm at a bar. Oh, yeah. People always like that. And is that also our friend Scotty's song? No, he's Teenage Dirtbag by Weedus. Why do I always get that confused? Well, and I, I, I, I weep for our friend Scotty in that he listens to TBTL. No, in that he, um, that song, which he's been doing forever became a huge TikTok meme. And the way it was used, I, I don't know. Like, I only like people being thirsty online when it's me putting up pictures of my cat. I only agree with me shamelessly and thirstily looking for those likes and whatevers. But the meme of Teenage Dirtbag was clearly people who wanted to show off how attractive they were when they were teenagers, mostly people who were famous. Oh, I see. So imagine like a famous Hollywood celebrity, and it's like them now, and it's like – and I think it – I don't even know if – yeah, I think it was the regular song. A lot of times the songs are also sped up, but it was like, cause I'm just a teenage dirtbag. And there'd just be a bunch of pictures of them being impossibly attractive at age 16, but in a way that was presented as like, look how random I was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like, come on, Gael Godot. It wasn't her. That's not fair. I don't need to throw her back under the bus. She just climbed out. She just climbed out from under that bus. I don't need to throw her back under. She's beloved. But it was annoying to me because it was mostly the people I saw doing it were celebrities who already kind of had the world on a string and were very conventionally attractive showing us how they've always been attractive set to the music of Teenage Dirtbag and I was like why you gotta do this to my guy Scotty the Body he just wants to be at the gate singing Teenage Dirtbag I promised I was gonna do this I shouldn't I've already played my song but I am gonna play here's the deal is this kind of a slowed down like real kind of chill number no this breaks the format um

The reason I'm going to play this is because this is off of their breakout record, right? The B-52s were around for a long time. They were appreciated and loved in some circles, but it was obviously the album Cosmic Thing that had Love Shack on it and Rome, and I think they even had a third.

Did that have Rock Lobster on it?

No, that's their first record, actually. That's their very first record from, like, 79. Did it have Kish Moraine on it? No, that is from My Own Private Idol.

Okay. No, this is really useful Because I do, you know, I was I was really into Quiche Lorraine and I was really into Rock Lobster In high school, you know, when I was in my Like, I'm into the songs that The other kids at my school aren't into Quiche Lorraine, I said that was off

Of my own private Idaho, but that's not the name of that Record, and I just really I really exposed myself As being a B-52s fraud No, you're not, I, it's, listen I've witnessed it, it's your lived experience What is the name of the record that Private Idaho is on? Wild Planet, of course. Wild Planet. A fine softmore effort.

What's on Wild? What else is on Wild Planet? Here, let me get back to you. Because I think I had Wild Planet because you know why? I would be surprised. Because it was a Columbia house. I think you had a greatest hit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, when did Wild Planet come out? Wild Planet came out in the early 80s. Okay, well, okay, yeah, that would have been a long time ago. Can I describe what I remember the album cover being that I had and you tell me? I bet you're right by the way It felt to me like it's Fred What's Fred's last name? Schneider It's like Fred Schneider and is it Kate Something? Pearson? I feel like it's Fred Schneider and Kate Pearson or they're standing in Space. What is that the album cover of?

I don't know but this is a kind Of iconic looking red background Album cover with the whole band That's not the one that I have Wild Planet came out in 1980 I'm pretty sure it was their second record It would have been a pretty deep cut for you

And it would have been 10 years later. The question would be, why would Columbia House be offering it?

But it does have Private Idaho on, and it does have Quiche Lorraine on it. Okay. But I'm guessing that you probably did. Find yourself. There's no shame in greatest hits. People love hits. Having said all of that, I like the B-52s. I like their early stuff. They're kind of like, I don't know even how you describe what they were doing in that kind of post-punk era. But what I was going to say was Cosmic Thing came out. Everybody knows Love Shack. And, like, I'm just such a big B-52s fan, and I was listening to this as such a young person that I just loved everything on the records I liked, right? And the song Junebug is one of those songs that I know from my youth very well, and I listened to it for the first time in a long, long time, somewhat recently on a road trip with Genevieve. And I'm like, if I heard this song for the first time today, would I have any attraction to this kind of music at all? And also, if anybody said, oh, you like the B-52s, Andrew, you're rocking out to this song Junebug, like, they would have no idea why anybody, I think, would listen to this kind of music. Here's the song Junebug from 1989 by the B-52s. I believe it begins with a bunch of sound effects of animals. But then it gets real Fred Schneider-y and Kate Pearson-y real quick. It's like if the state were doing a skit based on the B-52s, which they did once.

I'm into this, by the way. I hope this is the song that gets pulled off of Spotify. Longer build-up than I remembered.

She's the wildest hunt in the wild. Kingdom. She's the hottest thing to blow down.

I don't know.

I can't hear. I'm into that. I actually, I'm listening to this now, and I'm like, no, I still legit. I think I legitimately like this. I think if I didn't know the B-52s were a thing and somebody played that song for me, I don't know. Would I like that or not? I mean, it's definitely like, it's definitely Fred Schneider-y, but, you know, it's a sound.

Andrew, I have to tell you. I'm sorry. I don't know why this is the planet I want to die on, but I think I had Wild Planet. Oh, really? The track list. Here's what I think happened. I mean, it was definitely like a Columbia House thing. It was like, in other words, and I think here's what I bet happened. When the B-52s blew up with Love Shack, which would have been around the time that I got this, they probably...

Somebody owned the rights to Wild Planet, maybe Columbia or Columbia or whoever it was. Somebody thought, you know, this band is really popular and maybe we can move some copies of like their previous album to people like Luke who are trying to get 12 CDs for a penny. Because I remember the song Give Me Back My Man. Oh, that is such a that's one of the best. And I remember Dirty Back Road. These are both off of Wild Planet, which I there's. And then Keisha Lorraine, which I loved. So I think that must have been it. But it was, again, purely because I think I probably liked Love Shack. I probably thought Love Shack was going to be on it. And then I just, you know, I was going to say I clicked on it. But, of course, I didn't because this would have been the 90s. And I would have, I guess, filled in a circle and mailed it. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what. I mean, first of all, I liked that Love Bug song or June Bug song, though, that you were playing. I didn't. And I'm not trying to be insulting to you or the B-52s. I mean, Wild Planet is a great I love this record And also, like you said Give Me Back My Man is on there Which is just like, honestly If I had to just choose one B-52 song On a deserted island Which is such a weird island Such a weird island I told Becca today that if I was on a deserted island And all there was to eat was biscotti I probably wouldn't have it You would just die of hunger Because it's so dry already We were in a coffee shop I first of all just don't like biscotti I don't get it This is nature's way of saying Don't eat me It's like a super crusty thing Would you take a biscotti over a scone We had this exact Because there was a scone next to it And I was like I'm telling you it's like you were there Andrew I was like I would take the scone over the biscotti But only barely Either way you're dunking it in the coffee In seawater We're on an island bro that's right there's no coffee no there's no percolator no the the professor hasn't wait do we have a professor no the professor has not invented a percolator i'm sorry to do that to i every chance i get i take us into some b52 no i actually liked that i i was expecting to hate it so much more than i did actually i yeah actually maybe i maybe i set it up too negatively but i just remembered maybe we're driving back from the grand canyon i'm like i haven't listened to this record all the way through in a long long time every song on it's good and then you're just like oh i'm in the car with another adult now listening to this song june bug is that word jenny put forward the theory that some music is is objectively bad get out of the car you know what addy was playing like crazy on that weekend was silver juice oh yeah you mentioned that which is funny because i think that might have been there was one actual song that started us talking about that in australia um all right here's our listener suggestion we got to get on out of here today it's from sean who says i'm not sure but luke may have even shared a mississippi studios stage with these guys portland supergroup eyelids with members of the decemberists actually is it

just decemberists i always say the decemberists but i've never heard of john is saying the is saying decemberists might hold the definite article guided by voices dharma bums camper van beethoven and it's usually produced by rem's peter buck the new record is coming out uh march 10th That would be today, but this is a song from their most recent single, Way Home. It's guaranteed to soothe that jangly itch. I do not think I have... Wow, this is, what a super group. I have not shared the stage that I remember with Eyelids. I've maybe met a couple of those folks in Portland. Now, this reminds me of a missed opportunity, Andrew, that has been, it's been bothering me for the last, like, I don't know, week or two. Remember, we had a dazzling donor who wanted to use their time to mention their friend's van company, like, yes, you know, kind of like van life type of company. Now, one thing I think it was called. It I forget the exact I forget the exact name of it. But what I was realizing was that I think maybe you're trying to remember that because I have it here. You want the name of the company that we were talking about? It looks like it's Vander Outdoors. Vander Outdoors. Okay. So I think I had it mixed up. I was thinking maybe it had a W and they wanted it pronounced as a V. No, it's spelled Vander Outdoors. Okay. That part. Then that makes sense. I feel it was a missed opportunity for their company to not be called Camper Van. Oh, sure. Camper Van Beethoven. Right. Some version of Camper or just maybe the company could be called Take the Skinheads Bowling. I don't know. The one Camper Van Beethoven song I can name. A lot of business managers say if you're establishing a company, try to put the word skinhead in there. But how memorable? How many outdoor van life companies are there? Sure. How many of them have skinhead in the name? Yeah. Eastern Washington, western Idaho area. Northern Idaho? Or northern Idaho. Way up in the panhandle.

Yeah, sure. Okay, maybe not.

Anyway, here's what we're going to hear from listener Sean. It's from Eyelids, and it's how we're going to wrap up this broadcast week. Thank you so much, everybody, for listening to the show. We'll be back here on Monday. Maybe if I survive my Tyvek reattachment process later today. In the meantime, please have a great weekend. Stay safe up on those Widowmakers. I'm talking to myself mostly here. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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