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So, what is this new project you guys have for Sally?

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, so, um, this new project we have, it's called The New Medusas, and we think it could really use the Sally Reed touch. So, it's a show about three women who run a salon in Soho, who are just trying to get by, and they have snakes for hair, and they turn dudes into stone. Okay. So, right now, the show, it's a little, I don't know, hmm? And I think that you, Sally Reed, could bring to it more of a hmm. I don't know what you mean. So, right now, the show, it's more, yeah. And you could bring it to more of a, yeah.

I think I know what you're saying. I have a client right now that's bringing to a Fox show that before was just, hey. So we're looking for less and more. That actually wasn't in the email.

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welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live lots of luck in your senior year my name is luke burbank i'm your host just too fly today coming to you from the hollywood broadcast center right here in portland oregon where my goodness gracious it is nasty out there i don't know if it's a technically an atmospheric river but it is it is not dry god if only i had some kind of audio drop to indicate all of the liquid rain

out there. Oh, I do. I didn't know you like to get wet though. Yeah, it's really

rainy here on this Monday, but as we like to say, it's warm and dry here inside the Broadcast Center as we arrive at episode 3,899 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Last night was the Academy Awards and there were some very cool things that happened. Cool things that happened involving people winning Oscars. of people like ki hui kwan who like it's a really amazing story of this guy who was like a major star as a young person in like the goonies and other such things and uh and then because of hollywood's kind of capricious ways was not in anything for a long time for many many years was just working behind the camera and now he got an oscar and it really it just made me feel so good about life last night so who needs a movie uh we'll talk about that plus also the commercial that was airing during the oscars a lifetime achievement award for um a director a semi-mysterious director

named autodesk wait a minute who are you so we'll look into that and then um also tell you the

update from uh the guy that lives in my apartment building here who drives a gold um sebring and uses the club and a few other things i've had a chance to talk to him now like the coolest person i've ever met guy is this guy's really got a lot going on so we'll give you the update there and we'll talk to this guy the longest running cobro of the show may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships it's a monday it's raining but he's not gonna let that stop him from Bringing the funny Ready to laugh and drop Until your socks come off He's Andrew Wall She's joining me right now Good morning my friend

Good morning Luke There's something I've been Excited to talk to you about I'll be honest I don't think you would be Excited to talk to me about it If you knew what I want To bring up here But I think it's interesting

But legally I'm prohibited From stopping you It's too late

Here we are We're on the air You either have to pretend You're interested Or sink the show Balls in your court Coming in aggressive On a Monday I woke up on Saturday to a text message from one Phyllis P. Fletcher that contained her Wordle results for that day, Saturday, which I think she did pretty well on. I think maybe she got it in three. It doesn't really matter. But accompanying it was a message that said, people who don't think this is a word are old or something along the lines of.

that I might be misquoting. That's a paraphrase. It just occurred to me that was a private text message. Maybe Phyllis didn't want me putting that out there because I was like, what is going on? Is this a controversy on Saturday? Then as I am up and about, I'm getting emails from listeners saying there's a lot of talk on the social medias about today's Wordle word. A lot of people saying it's not a word. I started getting text messages from around the country, Luke, from people saying, what do you make of today's word? I hadn't even done it yet. Then you will eat your word. Whoa, I was a little bit on the other one. Yeah, interesting.

Hey, wow, that's amazing. You can identify your own voice in that quick.

I like words, and I like radio. Oh, I see. You have it on autoplay, and you did a search on words.

Exactly, exactly. Sorry, I didn't mean to distract us. Back to the wordle on Saturday.

So anyway, I was getting some of these messages. I hadn't even done it yet. and then I completed it. I think I got it in three, maybe four, but I think I was assisted in the knowledge that people found it controversial, and according to Phyllis's note, it must be modern in some way. Now, I will reveal the word in a moment, but you have a wordler in your life who you sometimes discuss wordle with. I know you don't play yourself, but Becca does. Was there any conversation around your breakfast table about it?

I didn't hear about the Saturday Wordle, but I did tell you when I was at your house on Friday that there was a Wordle that Becca got last week that was, I wish I could remember what it was. It might have been on Tuesday or Wednesday. It was bananas. It wasn't literally the word bananas. I think that's too many letters. But it was such a random word, and she got it in two because she had just picked the perfect starting word and then had gotten enough information. I mean, it was a very unconventional word, and I was quite impressed. I believe it was the same day that she also had completely finished the New York Times crossword puzzle. So I was like, you're really just kind of showing a lot of range here with various word and logic puzzles and things of that, crab rangoon and things of that nature. So can you reveal what the word from Saturday was? I mean, we're well past the spoiler alert. It's in the past now. It's in the past now The past is history, the future is a mystery The word was email, Luke What do you think of that? Oh, wow All I can say is wow What do you think? That's I mean I guess it's a word But here's the thing The E in email is for electronic Are there other words that are an example of that Where the first letter is actually I mean there's a reason why In the early days wasn't email like sometimes written am i hallucinating was email ever written like lowercase e and then the m was capitalized there are other things like that when e is being used in the electronic fashion

it's sometimes it's sometimes um lowercase right my i don't think it was lowercase followed by an uppercase m i think it was e dash mail for a while i could be i don't know why my voice is cracking It's just this issue is important to me, language and how it evolves. I think if I remember correctly, you would have like in the very late 80s or whatever stories. I mean, we play them on the show. Sometimes I should actually look for some like there's a new revolution taking over the world. It's called the Internet. And with things like electronic mail or email, people are coming together like they never have before. That was me just sort of riffing a little bit. That was it.

And it actually worked. It worked, and you sort of highlighted exactly what I'm talking about, which is they used to call it electronic mail, and then at some point the e just got added. But, like, I can't think of another word that's in the sort of common usage that it's, you know.

I can't.

It's not like, you know. Oh, boy. This is what I get for trying to think of an example on the fly. It's not like a plum used to be called a pretty tasty fruit lum. And they just dropped everything except the pee. Notice I started calling it a plum. That was such a bad example. I got an example for you.

I'm sitting on one. I sent this to my friend Jessica. Oh, geez. Don't hide your light under a bushel, Walsh. What about scuba? I think scuba is the perfect example. Is it an acronym? Of how an acronym, something that at one point was an acronym, just becomes a word. And again, catch me on a day. I'm going to come at you with different rules for language. But I mean, the thing is, I'm both pedantic and it drives me bananas when people say daylight savings time when it's daylight saving time. But I'm only pedantic on that because I happen to know it and therefore I'm going to be pedantic about it. But then also like the reality is when people say. daylight savings time it's the majority of americans say that and i know exactly what they're talking about they're using language to communicate with me so why do i have to get all snobby about it when an npr story quotes a sleep expert who keeps saying daylight savings time and you almost pick up a pen and you write to npr but you don't because you're in the car um but anyway so like language evolves i know what daylight savings time means it doesn't matter whether you use the s or not that's just me trying to be smarter than everybody else and when i'm irritated by it so scuba was an acronym self-contained underwater breathing apparatus andrew do you

know that i did not know that until this very moment the reason it was top of mind for me was

because and this is a whole different story that we don't have to get into but veves and i somehow found ourselves on the pluto tv platform on friday watching nothing but an endless series of family ties episodes uh which i had not delved back into since i was a kid and family ties was airing as fresh episodes it was that that show had a huge impact on i believe my family and the culture at the time and it was kind of a you know alex p keaton was a iconic character michael j fox was a phenom but anyway i hadn't gone back and watched it in one of the episodes they're doing kind of a my fair lady sort of thing as Alex tries to train Mallory to be a successful quiz partner and some quiz show. And so they do this whole thing, but instead of the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane, they do like self-contained underwater breathing apparatus. Like she got the answer right. And they start kind of singing it back and forth. And Genevieve says, Genevieve singing along with it. She's like, I learned that from the show back in the eighties. She's like, the reason I know what scuba is, is because of this exact scene.

You know that Becca and I went on a big – and by big, I mean we're watching an old Family Ties episode recently on my phone because she was reminded of the episode where Tom Hanks plays –

Oh, you saw that when I was out of the room, yeah.

A likable, but a likable uncle, but who has a problem with drinking and and and he's, you know, Alex P. Keaton finds him in the middle of the night kind of sitting at the table trying to, you know, they're out of alcohol and he's he's he's fiending for it. It was a really weird scene because it's sort of played for comedy and tragedy. Yeah, like there's some legitimate there's some legitimately good jokes like Tom Hanks is like desperate for alcohol. And so he goes into the refrigerator or the pantry to pull out whatever he thinks might have booze in it. And it's like vanilla extract, which does a maraschino cherries, which probably doesn't. And he's like sitting there at the table and it's upsetting Alex because he's never seen his uncle this way. And at some point, right when it's getting pretty dark, Tom Hanks goes, what? You won't even sit down and have a glass of maraschino cherries with your old uncle? And it's like, I was like, that's a pretty good joke. But I was like, what are they trying to do here? Are we? But the reason that I thought it was so interesting, and in fact, the reason Becca brought it up is because Saturday Night Live did a really funny re-sort of imagination of this, where it was a classic 80s sitcom. And the drunk uncle is Larry David. and the two people that like live in the house are um kyle mooney and beck bennett and it's like what i can't remember whose uncle it is i think it's kyle mooney's uncle comes over and that's larry david and then of course the scene happens where he's drunk in the middle of the night but they've just nailed the like the interstitials that used to happen on those kind of sitcoms where they'd be coming back from the break and they'd be showing like a park scene or like they just would do interesting stuff that i'd forgotten was even part of the tropes of those shows and the ones that they did on this snl thing were just like so perfect because they were like very similar to what i grew up with in the 80s but but deeply bizarre like one was like a dinosaur cartoon dinosaur well i was like it was just really and then at some point larry david just for no reason just throws a chair in the in the kitchen and just like shatters into a million pieces and then someone comes in and they say something then he throws another chair like to punch like that's how he's punctuating his sentences now i'm doing a very bad job describing it but it's weird that we've both been experiencing the uh family ties world again here in 2023 yeah it you know so

pluto tv is that platform i think we've talked about it where you can it's no longer a planet well yeah unfortunately they downgraded it to a streaming platform um but um it's the cool thing about pluto tv is yes you can kind of dial in um on-demand content like you know whatever they have the ip2 i can't remember who owns pluto off the top of my head to be i think is a fox one which is why we saw the super bowl uh promos for it but anyway um the cool thing about pluto though is it also kind of fashions itself for construction itself like a streaming service where you can just like kind of choose a channel and it's you know Thank you. like you just pick up in the stream somewhere that you don't necessarily have to watch a movie from the beginning and it does have commercials but like there will just be blocks of programming that will just be one channel is dedicated to a single show like you know like family ties or the jeffersons or whatever and it'll just be hours and hours and hours of that uh under like classic television or whatever which i really like that like not the idea of like okay dial up another episode or um netflix asking you are you still watching this it feels more like watching tv and of course these and i kind of like to keep an eye on our commercials anyway so we can talk about them on the podcast but it was really a interesting ride for me because in my mind i think about family ties so warmly it was such a big thing for us growing up but unlike colombo or Perry Mason I've never gone back to sample those goods again and the first episode I saw was terrible it was like a season one very special Christmas episode with flashbacks and origin story and it was so corny and so badly acted and I was like I thought these were all good actors at least but then we kept watching and you can kind of see the show kind of come into itself a little bit and you see the good stuff starting to rise to the top and Michael gross is a great foil for i mean there's whatever the show is good but i could not believe how every single episode was a very special episode in some way like you exactly what you're describing the tom hanks episode about drinking i didn't see that one but vives did the one about like it's about divorce and custody of a kid and then the dad ends up totally amber alerting his son and like it but same deal though it's kind of they'll slip into some funny scenes while they're talking about really dark shit you know while a man has kidnapped a kid you know like do you from his mom i i'm

guessing that that became a trend because those episodes what performed better because i mean there was really a period of time i mean i think i played that audio actually i don't know if i played that audio for you but i've definitely talked about on the show of like there is this clip going around that i that i saw which is actually robert smigel you know like tv fun house and he's the voice of triumph the insult comic dog and all that stuff and um it's him kind of like playing this clip for um for for some people like steven colbert i think steve carell is also watching it at some point as is dana carvey and what it was is there was a very special episode of um of home improvement like the tim allen show you know where do you remember did i play this audio i don't know i don't remember this so i'm tempted to try to find it but that will probably just waylay us uh actually so you don't have a memory of me playing it on no okay

sorry i wasn't sure if there's no no i'm just wondering going around showing me describing it

i feel like is going to like not do it justice but me looking for it and playing the audio also has a high probability of not doing it justice so i guess i'll go with the more efficient of two evils and that is basically this clip is like there was this promo that was running on like whatever ABC whatever network that show was on and it's a very serious home improvement a home improvement for the whole family and in it one of like Tim Allen's kids is may have been is there may be a diagnosis of something terminal for this for this young you know whatever 13 year old and it's this very serious scene where he's like I don't want to die dad and like Tim Allen's like we're not gonna let that happen he's hugging him and it's just like one of those really intense moments it's just a promo and then it goes like home improvement right after the dana carvey diet mug root beer special which is what they had named there was some insane inside joke dana carvey had a tv show and for some reason unrelated i believe to actual sponsorship they named it like the diet mug root beer show as like the most high concept joke for a network television show name and the juxtaposition of this like very serious home improvement and then the how ludicrous the name like the dana carvey diet mug root beer show or whatever it was is so funny and what's really amazing about it is the reaction of like stephen colbert who doesn't know what he's watching he just sees this and then he's crying laughing and it is the most it's the most funny thing i've seen in forever my my larger point in all that is or my larger question is were those episodes just like were these shows trying to have a larger public message about alcoholism and and childhood illness and whatever or or or were they these did these shows just actually do better in the ratings Why was there this period of time where every sitcom Was like a very special sitcom Yeah I remember even

Um

oh not silver spoons what's one with arnold um different strokes like i remember like some special episodes of that like scaring the hell out of me like a special episode about mugging

and there was also i believe it was gordon jump who was also on like wkrp in cincinnati but i believe he made an appearance as a as a potential pedophile on different strokes there was there was the silver spoons episode where um ricky's friend uh was clearly um suffering child abuse and never always wanted to hang out at their house and then when it would come up in conversation or when they get near the topic he would change the subject and stuff like there were a lot of these

episodes getting created in the 80s yeah and i do think that the 80s were kind of i'm just going to say this i could be totally wrong i'd be interested in somebody who actually like has a better answer to this i'd listen to them if they've studied this um you're eric degans you're eric's degan if you will um but it seems like the 80s was a very moralistic time you know like family ties the message is always if you were to break it down politically at all which i think it's somewhat fair to do given the dynamic of that show politics is a big part of that show these these are two hippie boomers who are very liberal one working in public television i think she's an architect right um anyway uh but and then they have a very conservative son and so sometimes like those messages are related to politics in some way or capitalism like the time alex starts uh secretly investing his family's funds in the stock market like or even the one about divorce it sort of starts off like a almost like a dad's rights kind of vibe but then it comes back around and usually the the lesson that you're taking away tends to be a more liberal lesson at least with that show but generally speaking the 80s were kind of a conservative and very and you know a little maybe paternalistic time right these reagan years and i feel like that must have been it was always like you know there was always what was nancy reagan's thing just say no and just like all these all

It was like it was like Mr. T and Arnold standing next to Nancy Reagan. Yeah, right. Right. Like it was very, very tied in. Yeah, there was a sort of consistency there that I don't think you would see today. You certainly wouldn't see it, I hope anyway, with the previous president. But like, I don't even know what a popular sitcom is anymore on network television. But it'd be like if those people were teaming up with Melania Trump to try to stop cyber bullying. I don't feel like you would see that in this day and age. By the way, just to quickly close the loop on the Dana Carvey show. So when the Dana Carvey show first appeared, it was greeted with above-average reviews and a lukewarm response from the audience. Isn't that always how it is? If it's got above-average reviews, it's going to have a lukewarm response from the audience. Yeah. That's just how life works. If it's going to be actually like home improvement, it's going to get an amazing response from the audience, and it's going to get very lukewarm reception from the critics.

yeah very much I mean like the you know the things that we love the the um even I mean it's weird it's such a long-running network show but I feel like 30 Rock always felt like the underdog that was trying to punch its way you know into survival by being a little bit more on the edge but Arrested Development I think is a perfect example of yes of something like that I mean that was the example

when Jen and I were sitting around at the Azteca trying to kind of think well what would this TBTL thing maybe sound like or what would its vibe be we were like if we can be the arrested development of radio we're like fine with that i mean that was very much i'm not saying we did that i'm not like i'm not trying to put what we create on that level but yeah that to me is the ultimate you know sign of respect that like you're so good that you get canceled because you know but let's be honest the majority of americans have i would say fairly average taste here's the deal with the naming of the show i was a little wrong about this um it maintained a small but loyal following the first six episodes that aired were officially titled based on the presenting sponsor of the show this was an homage to the classic television shows that dana carvey grew up watching so the first episode was the taco bell dana carvey show the second episode was the mug root beer dana carvey show the third one was the mountain dew dana carvey show then we had the diet mug root beer dana carvey show and then the pepsi stuff dana carvey show and then the final episode i i i'm this is all coming back to me now it was the szechuan dynasty dana carvey show and szechuan dynasty was a local chinese restaurant they like to go to and i don't think they paid anything for this i think it was like they were out of sponsors like no one else no big corporate you know food behemoths or drink behemoths would sign a check so they just named it after this restaurant they were going to and that my friend

is how you do that's how you get a sketch show canceled it's such an interesting story i know

that the documentary about the dana carvey show came out a few years ago and we talked about it but it's like you and i grew up watching dana carvey on snl i thought it was hilarious when i was a kid but then you and i kind of like on the show have been like you look back at some of those dana carvey sketches and it's like really like what was so great but then like lady and

chopping broccoli they're not things that make me laugh to this day but then you have this dana

Carvey show which I still have not gone back and watch it's on streaming services now like I keep seeing it offered to me on Hulu or something and and now like he did have this moment of something that very much would fit us like something that is a little bit edgy something that the mainstream didn't appreciate but it kind of had its little moment in the shade on in a corner of a network evening and I'm just by the way I was looking up the Robert Smeagol story I don't know that I could find the video but there's a story in screen crush and the opening graph about the dana carvey show is how the juxtaposition of those two promos was like the perfect example of how the dana carvey show did not fit with abc's lineup at the time but um it's so funny that like here's this very it's got got a cult following now but i wouldn't expect dana car even now when dana carvey shows up in something it's like re reprising some old snl thing that i always think is a little cringy

honestly i mean look at i'm just on the wikipedia page the cast of this thing uh steve carell stephen colbert robert smigel uh heather morgan and bill shot i'm not super familiar with those two folks but like and then the guests that they would have on would be like phil hartman david letterman um all of these folks who just were like you know i i think of them as sort of comedy royalty now so i you know i don't know i also have not really watched i haven't watched many of the episodes what i have watched is that documentary about it and it seems like it's just kind of it seems like a bunch of really funny people got together and really decided they were going to make something that was not going to be for the network and they were successful um and i don't even know if the sketches worked but the the ethos of it seems like something i'd be very

into yeah another example of this is um uh god i always want to say rest of development but um the one with amy sedaris's show that we loved oh strangers with strangers also involving colbert Also involving Colbert and just a bunch of incredibly funny people, I think, every day saying, we're going to make this thing until they fire us. You know what I mean? Like, this does not fit with mainstream culture.

Yeah. And, I mean, that helped that they were on Comedy Central. Yeah. I think when Comedy Central wasn't just playing, you know, like, we were looking at the lineup the other day. What did they play? Play Billy Madison 33 times in a row or something? Yeah, I was strange to see how good it is. Like, whatever Comedy Central has become now. Well, I hope you're happy. Thanks to your Pluto TV, Andrew.

Yeah, I guess so.

What's left for the folks at Comedy Central?

They can make original programming. I'm really shocked by that. Like, that is a network that has seen all the phases. We got to go to a break. But, like, its origin was basically mostly repackaging old stuff, right, with some stand-up comedies and Marc Maron's two-drink minimum or whatever sprinkled in. And then it lives through the era of everybody has to make their own content. And now it's like, how many Central's on the back half of that again? now they're just like you said running like reruns of another 48 hours or whatever it's very

yeah it's uh it's it's a strange saga for uh for a platform because like i mean well you just described it it's like it started off as that and then they got into original programming and the original programming went really well i think you know daily show and colbert and stuff like that and and then all these other ways that people get content came in and it doesn't seem like they were quite able to stay ahead of that and they still have the daily show but they're like trevor noah's gone now and they're just doing like fill-in hosts um and i'll see like a clip like marlon wayans is guest hosting the daily show and i don't know anything about like marlon wayans's skills as one of those hosts but it just that feels a little adrift to me um having a bunch of people fill in i don't know maybe maybe some people are really nailing it but yeah it's it's strange it's sort of come full circle for that network yeah i haven't been watching but it sounds

actually kind of interesting i hope they kind of keep spinning the wheel for a little bit before they lock someone in but that's the last i'll say about if they lock someone in that's i think the

larger i think i think the news that we're going to hear in the next six months is the daily show is is ceasing production that's that's i mean i hope i'm wrong but i just don't think there's yeah i mean the viewership was the viewership was even in the trevor noah era there were nights where the viewership was rivaling like tbtl numbers oh wow which is not you know and now Now, I don't know if that measured digital. That might just be people turning on their television, turning on their cable box and clicking that little wheel on top of it and going to the channel that is Comedy Central, which may be that greatly... If you're just going with that number or that stat, that might not be very... That might not be very accurate as far as how many people are experiencing the content. But, yeah, we shall see.

You know who should host it is Mike Richards.

Now that, honestly, I would watch that. That would be an amazing development in that story, like quietly, for folks that don't remember. We don't mean the guy who played Kramer on Seinfeld, by the way. It would be the guy who sort of worked his way into being in charge of Jeopardy, and then somehow amidst all of these people trying out to host it and a lot of people doing really a good job, he then filled in as the guest host and then just coincidentally decided that he would be the best permanent host and had the job for like three days total before the outrage proved to be too much.

Before the world turned on him.

Yeah, well, that was a crazy... For those of us who care about Jeopardy a little too much, that was a crazy time. Yeah, it was. All right. Okay, quick break, and then back with more TBTL in just a moment.

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I think if that J sounded like a Y That would be part of Zach's pronouncer I'm more worried about the fact that it's spelled Z-A-C-H Is it Zach or Zatch?

Rhymes with thatch. First word rhymes with thatch. Second word rhymes with toast. All right. Zach Jost. And let's throw Lauren in there as well. They're in Portland, Oregon. Zach says, I'm so happy to be a part of this magical phenomenon that is TVTL. Lauren has become more of an 11. That's okay. No judgment. But loves updates of Luke's and Andrew's exploits, I think, question mark. as a dazzling uh as dazzling donors are being read baseball is getting back into full swing baseball's back the crack of the mass another mariners season with y'all go mariners go eat a bagel and keep up the work of ending global loneliness um the hotel that i was staying at becca and i were staying there um with the uh when i was doing live wire up in seattle last week and they had a big blazing bagel sign i don't even think it was they had they didn't have a location they were just advertising that they that they uh you know sold that product and i was trying to explain to becca why it was that for like a period of a year i was signing the show off

by go mariners and go eat a bagel do you know i've tried to go there um twice now this is not a criticism but it's just there's a blazing bagels that is kind of near the university district now kind of in the ravenna area maybe more likely more like it um but i went once during the height of, well, maybe not the height of the pandemic, but while the pandemic was really affecting people's business hours and everything, and I was rejected because they had just closed early or something along those lines, and then I waited a couple of years, and then I went back again like two Saturdays ago.

And they just had a sign on the door that said just like staffing issues. Sorry, like catch us another time. I was like, man, I'm really trying here. But I know it's hard out there for businesses.

It's not the water, Andrew.

It's not the water. That's for dang sure. It's staffing shortages. Staffing shortages.

Hey, thanks, Zach and Lauren. Can I edit that out? You do whatever you want, my friend, in three, two, and one. Maestro?

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Hey, look who it is.

It's our friend Lauren Costelli in Jacksonville, Florida. Is it Yaxonville or Jacksonville? I believe it's Yaxonville Fool. Okay, got you. Yaxonville Fool. Lauren says, it's my honor to be a dazzling donor, and I'm grateful to have a job and lifestyle that affords me the ability to be one. We're grateful as well, Lauren. Let me promise you that. I'm also incredibly grateful for this community who've reached out to me when I was at my lowest, celebrated with me as I achieved some big goals, and literally supported my family this past year. Sarah Miranda made stunning earrings for the 30 ladies at my sister-in-law's baby shower last February, a custom commission that we all adore. Jeremy Ayers created beautiful gifts I gave to family and friends, as well as pieces that fill my home with functional art. He also shared advice that helped my dad make a decision to have a surgery that forever changed him for the better. What in the world is happening on that Facebook page? This is all news to me and is incredible. People are getting handmade gifts. They're getting surgical advice. Incredible. There aren't enough years worth of Mug Club subscriptions to help me repay my debt. John Takamoto, Julie Kumasaka, Linder Peacock, and Ken Nay are always quick to leave thoughtful Facebook comments, likes, and digital hugs. And Sherry Kopp has many times shared her wise counsel when I needed it most. 1-0 for life, which I believe means 10 for life.

Yeah, 1-0-4-L-Y-F. I'm reading this cold.

I like it. I didn't know that was a thing. Is that happening on the Facebook page? I don't know. 10 for life? 1-0-4-L-Y-F. that's the it's like that could be like a bumper sticker or something or a tattoo oh wait wait let's now let's be careful i there was some listeners that are very gung-ho we've had a few you know we had somebody who got a lip tattoo and they got 10 tattooed on the inside of their lip and it was i guess because of the way that the human mouth behaves it um my by the way my human mouth rarely behaves no but um well mouths rarely donate to tbtl um uh it was supposed to disappear over time because of how things regenerate but i think that listener might have been named listener sam and i would love to find out from from them i'm i'm not sure if they're listening anymore but it would be amazing to find out if that if that's fully been replaced with normal pink skin or if it's still some remnants of a tbtl tat in their mouth like those

quote-unquote temporary tattoos we were talking about the other week that

weren't so temporary exactly well anyway lauren thank you so much for all of your support uh and uh and and sort of input over the years and thanks to all those folks uh that lauren shouted out for being part of tbtl we um we really wouldn't be here without any of you thank you hello and welcome to top story uh i just wanted to talk a little bit about the the story of this guy uh ki hui kwan who won the oscar for best supporting actor for every everything everywhere all the time all at once no all at once all at once they're all vowels andrew and i know that because it was a, it was an NPR, it was like a weekend edition Will Short's puzzle. Oh. That the name of this film is composed of all, the first letter of each word is a vowel. Mm-hmm. And this is a really cool story because he was someone who, well, first of all, was a refugee from Vietnam, came to the U.S., was living in California, had this really kind of unlikely turn of getting cast in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in 1984, and then a big starring role in The Goonies in 1985, and then had a couple of more roles here and there. Had a small role in Encino Man in 1992, and then he was in something called Red Pirate in 96. And then there is a long, long gap in this guy's on.

camera career because he said the roles just kind of weren't coming his way this is a little bit of his acceptance speech uh from last night when he got up the stage oh my god thank you thank you uh

my mom is 84 years old and she's at home watching mom i just want an oscar

like i've seen this three times and i'm getting choked up just playing it it's like so genuine i

love it. My journey started on a boat. I spent a year in a refugee camp and somehow I ended up here on Hollywood's biggest stage. They say stories like this only happen in the movies. I cannot believe it's happening to me this this is the american dream

well here comes the anti-vax stuff

i was pitched a movie you wouldn't believe the plot by the way um so so the story is i've read it for this guy was you know that just even though he had been in movies and stuff when he was younger they're just i mean i don't think it's news to anyone there aren't enough good roles for like asian american men well probably asian american folks of any gender but um so just as he said his phone kind of stopped ringing and so he transitioned into like fight coordination and stunt coordination and so he was for many years working behind the camera um and and choreographing fight scenes for movies like x-men and stuff so i just want to mention he wasn't like uh you know it doesn't sound like he was wandering the streets of hollywood panhandle like i think he was having a pretty successful career and not in the business too i mean that's kind of totally and i think my guest is very well respected for what he was doing but even so he so he didn't have an agent anymore or anything and then he the story goes that that movie crazy rich asians came out and it made a crap load of money at the box office and it like proved that like i'm laughing because it's like what how in like 2022 does this need to be proved still but like it was just proving that you know movies that are starring people who are non-white can do okay and he i guess was so inspired by the success of that film that he went out and got an agent again and had just done that like uh for he'd only been like repped for a couple of weeks and then one of the uh i think one of the directors the writer directors of the film known as the Daniels, which are these two guys that happen to be named Daniel, saw this guy on Twitter and reached out to him via his agent to see if he wanted to try out and he got the role and the rest, as they say, is history. But it's just like an amazing story of sort of having this moment of being a child star and then being very far away from what would seem like you're going to ever win an Academy Award in your life

and like here he is so that's pretty cool you know i i don't follow the oscars very closely at all um and this year i hadn't even seen a lot of the films that were probably nominated i did see this movie and i'm gonna say something that's gonna probably bum some people out like this movie was so hyped like i had like i saw it relatively early in its run but it was still well i think i had like two or three weeks of just like non-stop instagram stories saying you have to watch this movie it's literally going to change your life and like getting thousands of messages saying that a certain movie is going to change your life that is a high expectation to go into a theater with so i don't know that i had the same experience with it that everybody else did i liked it i thought it was a great movie like i really did like it um i just kind of i wasn't quite as hyped as everybody else was right i was seeing people on tiktok who were like

crying as they walked out of the theater right and it was it was it was definitely like described as something that could potentially change your life if you watched it right and but that's just

me watching it and discussing it strictly as a movie but the thing is like and i don't know if i've changed on this or not but like the thing is these things don't happen in a vacuum and when you look at the stories behind this and you look at the fact of what a triumph it was for a bunch of asian americans who are making this film and then to be honored the way they and their work was honored last Like, and again, I will admit that I probably shouldn't be weighing in on this because I didn't watch the Oscars. I'm not a huge awards ceremony person anyway, but I feel like that's what the Oscars should do. Like, take advantage of the moment. I don't even know what other film, I'm seeing a headline here written by Justin Chang in, I believe, the LA Times here saying that the Oscars picked the wrong best picture, right? And I don't know what this author's this film critics argument is, but it's probably pretty fair based strictly on what else was out there as far as actual movies and judging them just based on the content therein. But I don't think that's what the Oscars should do. I feel like what the Oscars should do is celebrate moments like this. this movie was a really really good movie but it also was an amazing story and an amazing accomplishment and it says so much about where we are right now and it also echoes some terrible things about the past as well and it gets us talking about those things like this is just like i'm not an oscars guy but it just sort of seems like this is what the oscars should do and did

do well and uh michelle yo winning um the best actress category that was a first for um an asian woman to win that so that's like pretty dope as well i'm with you like let's be honest none of this fucking matters so we might as well like we might as well have some representation like if in a way you're throwing a dart right with like what how do you how do you how does anyone decide what the best picture is or what the best acting is it's a slightly unknowable thing so if we agree that it's very subjective i would hope that it would it would subjectively move towards elevating people who have not traditionally been elevated and i don't mean that to say like any kind of tokenism or any kind of like giving someone an award just because they don't look like other people who've gotten the award but it's just like if they're if the knock on this year's oscars was they were safe i'll take it yeah absolutely way better than someone slapping somebody on set or the reading the wrong reading the wrong winner which happened one year or like i don't know i mean i know there's some other arguments out there about um there was this a woman named an actor named andrea riseborough who was nominated for her part in a film that was a very indie film and i think it was like called something like we got to talk about louise or something it had one of those serious names and actually it's a movie that i want to see or dear alice maybe or something um i want to see this film because it's based on sort of true events which is a woman in texas who's kind of living a pretty marginalized life and then wins like a lotto but it's like 150 thousand dollars i think which is like a lot of money but not like you know i'm going to i'm going to retire from life money and then i believe it kind of follows what happens after that which is an interesting premise for a film for me anyway the controversy around her nomination was that there were a bunch of really like a hundred people saw this movie but of those hundred people like 40 of them were like hollywood power players not unlike our friend win rosenfeld although there's no indication that win put his thumb on this scale but like and so it was one of those things where that some people complained that this nomination was the result of a very important Hollywood people taking an interest in it as opposed to whatever the other factors are supposed to be and there were a couple of women of color who were not included on the list I believe Viola Davis wasn't included on it and the woman who played Emmett Till's mom in Till was not included so I I mean I guess my point is it's I don't think we're ever gonna have a year where the Oscars are free from some sort of controversy or some people who should have been included who maybe weren't or whatever but that being said I got a pretty damn good feeling off of watching you know the people that won

generally speaking get up there and win these awards I was happy for them

yeah it seems like they did it right for a change and I will just say one more thing I know you were wrapping up but like this movie truly was unlike any movie I've seen before like I said like there was so much hype around it that maybe i got to it a little bit later than everybody else but at least it wasn't like wasn't it a few years ago that it was green book one which i know is you know on its face an anti-racist movie but it just had that you know it was just had that white white savior shit going on it was just like such a like just a a cookie cutter oscar movie like the kind that is just such a parody that my whole life even when i was like a a youngster i think i hated that kind of shit Which is why I kind of hated the Oscars There's always like this obvious bullshit Like this is a great win Like this is not your usual Oscar bait

I think it's pretty rare Well actually that's not true I don't know if it's rare I haven't

I don't have a running list of the movies. In fact, maybe I'm wrong about this. It seems like there are the years where an indie darling wins that the critics are in love with, and then there are the years like a big blockbuster movie that's unstoppable but that has just enough prestige wins. And this seemed like it was a nice combination of something that I think did very well at the box office, but also people could say, maybe Justin Chang doesn't agree, but generally people could say, this is at least not Top Gun Maverick. And again, peace and love to that movie. I haven't seen that movie. But didn't Titanic win one year? I'm not sure. I don't remember. I don't remember. I just think like, yeah, anyway. I also didn't watch it. I just watched all the clips this morning. I was too busy watching the show Alone, Andrew, which there is not a program on television that I will lose more of my life to than the History Channel documentary show Alone. It is compelling television. Have we talked about that one? maybe years ago i kind of i've sort of forgotten about it and then for some bizarre reason got into it yesterday at about four o'clock and then i look up and it's like 11 30 and i'm like i gotta be in bed i gotta be awake in like five hours um it's a show where people um are trying to survive in the wilderness with very very very limited stuff they're allowed to bring like 10 items so like a pot and a little fire starter and maybe like a hatchet or something and what i think the genius of the show is that they are filming themselves and i believe once a week they check in with a doctor like a doctor comes out and this is in like this season that i was watching was in british columbia way up in the middle of nowhere on this remote lake where it's like you could just i mean there's nobody up there and there's a lot of grizzlies but it's my problem with some of those shows is the fact that there's a crew usually just standing two feet from them filming them makes it feel to me like it's not i'm not like the stakes are lower like it doesn't feel like they're really trying to make it work the genius of this show is well one it's edited really well they also pick interesting people to be in the show but the fact that they really are like on some island somewhere and it is just them and their freaking camera and their ability to survive And whoever stays out there the longest wins like a half million dollars It's a really interesting show though I would argue It was making me anxious you just describing it I'm not joking How long do you think you would survive in the wilderness With only like a pot, a fire starter, a hatchet, and a bow?

Do I have one of those things in my teeth Where it's like a little false tooth But there's a suicide pill inside? Wow, false tooth, interesting place to keep it i feel like that's too close i feel like it's too easy to get it accidentally isn't that what spy i mean isn't that i mean i realized that i went a little bit dark there um but isn't that the classic spy craft thing like that if worse comes in a false tooth i just worry you keep it in your mouth because you're the chances are you're like you're bound up you have nothing more you can do so you have to i thought that that was like kind of a common i'm not saying you're wrong i'm just

saying that would make me nervous i would you're right if your hands are tied up and you have you have to be able to do it without putting you know being able to use your hands I guess that would make sense but I just would be like damn like just miss me with some Abba Zabba or anything that's too chewy like you're just you're on your way to the gig and you just have a Charleston chew and you off yourself very dangerous to keep that capsule in your mouth

miss me with some Abba Zabba yeah have we used that before do you think

um one other thing that happened related to the oscars was there was this kind of one of those like not quite in memoriam but like um special honorary things that was playing during the oscars there's a commercial for some mysterious filmmaker named well i'll

play it for you of all the legendary names in hollywood one stands out otto dashinsky Affectionately known to his friends As Autodesk What do I think when you mention the name Autodesk Hollywood legend, icon That's Ron Perlman by the way It's Elizabeth Banks He has been called a world builder A dream maker An innovator He changed game changing Visual effects wouldn't be where it is today If it wasn't for Autodesk As curious as he was fearless He would raise impossibles

They're showing all kinds of, like, grainy photos of this person and, like, you know, Time magazine covers, but in profile. Into reality.

I mean, if Hollywood had a Mount Rushmore, Otto would be on it. His grasp of technology is awe-inspiring. He can do it all. He's a wizard. What's your favorite movie? I bet Otto worked on it. I never met Otto, but he changed my life. And though he never sought the spotlight, tonight it will finally shine bright on Otto.

Autodesk.

Now, here's the thing. You're a keen observer of commercials. You already kind of know where this is going, right, Andrew? Is this for an Autodesk? Is that what? It's for the company Autodesk, which is a software company. But I think it's, you know, it's.

Oh, they're saying auto. Oh, OK. We'll see.

They're intentionally misspelling it as a misdirection. Right.

Because there is something called O-T-T-O, which is a design style that I was Googling here and looking. I say, yeah, Autodesk. Yeah, like AutoCAD and stuff like that.

Right, so Autodesk is, among other things, they have software that you can use for filmmaking or whatever. This was made by Ryan Reynolds, his company, Maximum Effort, I think, and then also I think Jimmy Kimmel's production company helped or something. But I was like, okay, this is kind of a clever idea, and then it should just go to a website or something that you click on, and then you figure out for yourself that it's Autodesk later. But, of course, Andrew, because it's a commercial, you can't leave well enough alone. you can't just you can't trust people to either misunderstand that you can't you're too afraid people will just misunderstand the commercial and just think there was a director named auto desk or whatever so then of course it kicks into like a stop the show congratulations otto congrats otto congratulations otto thank you for everything

ladies and gentlemen auto desk so they're calling auto desk out to the stage hi i'm courtney i think there's been a misunderstanding i use autodesk software to make movies look amazing there is no guy named autodesk anyway and then she goes on to explain

all the great things autodesk does i again i thought it was a pretty decent idea except for the second half when they had to come out and make sure that there was zero confusion about

i wish they would have left it more vague that's interesting yeah this is the first i'm hearing of this but i'm taking a note that leaves and i should talk about it on the show yeah it's great i can send you the audio i've already got yeah okay sounds good we'll have you on as a

special guest as a matter of fact now here's the thing too is they definitely used the guy who does the most interesting man in the world v over here's here of all the legendary names in

hollywood one stands out and this is in a past life he was himself oh yeah if opportunity knocks

And I also felt like that was that to me seemed like a mistake because it it was if you're somebody who maybe the thing is, most people don't watch commercials that closely. If you're somebody who watches commercials at all closely, as soon as you hear that voice, you know, you're in a parody of some kind.

I thought I didn't know what you were playing me. I didn't. I the way you introduced that, I thought you were spoofing me. It's kind of funny. Sometimes I don't know. We've worked together for a long time and I guess we have our I can still surprise. I don't know what it is, but like, but I could tell that you introduced it in a way that there was something up. And I thought you were playing tape from I think you should leave or something like that at first. I thought you were spoofing me with some tick tocky thing.

because it sounds like if you were really really trying to actually fool people it what you wouldn't use the guy who it was it's just a little too much in a way that like tells the eye in the ear again as an astute viewer that this is something there's a joke is about to happen whereas you could make it much more like sort of i don't know how to put it you could just make it much more understated and not use the guy who does the most interesting man in the world voiceover and and and and trick people more but it's like the problem is this is going we just i mean we just pointed out that like look most people like home improvement and don't like arrested development like so who are you playing to here now maybe the oscars audience is a slightly more like if you're watching the oscars maybe you care more about film craft and television craft than the average bear but like i don't know i just feel like a kind of a funny idea to me that then of course they had to like they had to make sure that it wasn't so good that people misunderstood it and that's usually when things get a little less good for me here i go once again with the

email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's not from a female now do we want to do

emails and females or do you want a quick update on my neighbor i want to play for you one voicemail

that we got from a listener that i uh got last week and was bummed that i couldn't play it sooner So I will hear about your neighbor at the beginning of tomorrow's show. How about that? Because I won't come in hot with any language debates related to Wordle.

Okay. You better not have any experiences between the end of today's show and the beginning of tomorrow's show. I need you.

For so long for somebody to say that to me. Thank you. I need you. Thank you. Thank you.

Here's the only things I authorize you to do. Darts. Stay in your basement. Play darts. But don't do anything interesting while playing darts. Don't have any thoughts.

Nope.

Don't listen to anything.

lebitard wait wait no no you need me to stay completely mentally neutral for the next 24

hours please you need me to listen to lebitard because i'm always shy to bring up just like that's literally my only life is listening to other people's lives so anyway here is you're hitting a little close to home for our listeners there i'm uh i know we're a little bit tight on time here but i got this um voice memo from listener emmy kate down in florida and

she'll i'll let her tell it herself hi luke and andrew this started as a shame eating story but that's not where it ended um and i called because i i know andrew will understand so i i have been having a really hard week and everything's fine just it's one of those weeks and i decided to treat myself to a five guys burger on the way home from therapy because of course you do um so i i drive to five guys i walk in and it's empty there's no one in there and everyone behind the counter instantly said we are gonna be your best friend and they were hyping me up we were talking you know back and forth you know do you want some fries with that i'm like yes i want some fries with that we were all so excited and then i go and i sit and i sip my drink while i'm waiting for the burger and the nice gentleman when he was handing me my burger literally did that like two hand handover of the bag like this is precious and he looks me in the eye and says this is the juiciest hamburger i have made all day and i'm like say less i am so invested in this hamburger and um i get in the car i'm driving home i'm smelling this hamburger and i know it is way too juicy even just a regular five guys burger is gonna be a mess if i try and eat it in the car so i i drive home i'm smelling this burger i'm so excited for this burger i have been waiting all week for this burger and i go home and i open it up and it's not a hamburger oh no it's a cheeseburger oh they are different and i don't eat cheese and i think they doubled the amount of cheese it's just it is a cheese bomb and that is the story of how i cried

power out I'm sorry man I feel that I feel that in my deep core Emmy Kate

I really thought that was gonna there was gonna come around at the end something like no sometimes in the words of Fred Durst it's just one of those days it's just one

of those days what's that on Jimmy's head wrong band wrong lyric wrong band wrong lyric wrong

name but same I'd say sure some shared some shared sensibilities

I there is something you know our friend Camaro Kev is like this too not with cheese but with like mayonnaise or something and there is something especially when you've had let's say a long week maybe even a bad week or something or a day like a real day but you're so hungry you're just so hungry and you're really putting all of your happiness on a meal and then for him if it comes with mayonnaise or for me if it comes with cheese or something else I don't eat and it wasn't supposed to like nothing reduces you to just being a child again like it is it is the most basic and base that i can be like i will sometimes feel like crying i mean luckily this has not happened in a long long time but you actually you're so hungry at that moment that you're already in this weakened state you're not ready for this kind of disappointment and it all just piles up on you and you're just like i don't think i mean literally i have i i know that kind of somewhat choked up feeling emi kate is talking about so i'm sorry you went through that and it tends to

it tends to be the one time you don't double check the order yeah that too yeah so like because a lot of times you will double check the order and then at some point you get cocky and you just figure i said these words to them and then they repeated those words to me and then so it should feel fairly confident that's what's going to be happening here and then the other thing is it's not the reason i think it's so emotionally it can be so emotionally difficult for something that really in the grand scheme of things isn't a big deal it's because it's not just a singular disappointment it's the result of something that was probably multiple hours of anticipation so it's not just like one thing kind of went not great it's like oh no i was thinking about this since i got up this morning and i had a plan in my head and it was like i'm gonna go to therapy and maybe there's going to be a hard week for that. But then when I'm done, I'm going to get that five guys hamburger and I'm going to sit at my whatever kitchen table or wherever it is that you want to eat that and I'm going to just enjoy it and that's going to make things okay in my life for that moment of time. And then when something is wrong with it, then things can't be okay in your life. So the steaks go way, way up even though we're just talking about a burger. And you're still hungry. and you're just still so hungry. By the way, I had an experience like that. I have a lot of, I need to be better about this. You know, Veeves is really good at the...

the, what do you call it, the sort of offsets, not the carbon offsets, but the like, you know, if you want to buy something from Chick-fil-A, then you maybe should try to donate the same $8 towards a LGBTQ plus organization or, you know, try to make some good in the world because unfortunately like Chick-fil-A from a corporate standpoint is pretty homophobic. Well, I really love Jimmy John's. I love those stupid sandwiches, but that guy sucks. books james john he's like a big game hunter and the hunter is like you know pays a bunch of money to get to go shoot an elephant i mean just all you have to do is look around the inside of a jimmy johns and just look at all the posters and just be like yeah no this is a terrible environment you're more of a tony baloney kind of guy exactly i side i stand tony baloney yeah but i will tell you this their veggie like i get their veggie uh sandwich hold the avocado and i get all the peppers on there and stuff it is really tasty and i ordered one a few weeks ago and i i was at home and i think i had i had a did i did i have it delivered no i went in and they have this board that's called like everything it's like a it's just like a sign and you point at it now here's the problem they have a thing that goes like you can just say i want everything on there and then they do that but the problem is there's multiple kinds of mustard on there so when you say i want everything do you want yellow mustard and gray coupon and jimmy's special mustard or whatever so i feel like they need to work on this board because for a person like me who overthinks things if i go i want everything on there i'm like there are there are a few different things that are that are duped that are like you know redundant yeah right well maybe they ask you you

say i want everything okay what kind of mustard that might be part that's what happened but

somehow in all of that i never got the peppers and the peppers are my favorite part of the sammy and i didn't oh you know what it was this sounds like a humble brag becca and i had been on a very long for me jog on a sunday and i was coming home and i was like famished because i had been out burning a lot of calories and I was going to have like an awesome lazy Sunday afternoon where I probably watched some NBA basketball and just kind of lounged post jog and ate this giant ass sandwich and I got it home and I got out of the thing and it didn't have the peppers on it or something else and I was kind of bummed but you know I ate it anyway I'm not going to go get back in the car and drive back over there so then I was there like I don't know a few days ago and i was ordering and i said oh and can i have everything on here i go um and definitely want to make sure i have like the peppers and the onions he goes yeah yeah if you say everything it'll be everything on here i go i got confused because of the mustard he goes yeah you just tell us what kind of mustard and i was like okay because i go because last time i think i screwed up the order and i didn't get the peppers he goes he looks at me he goes you know we make a lot of mistakes too so it could have been us oh and i was like that's kind of a nice way right on my guy yeah like cool like i wasn't even trying to go there like i wasn't blaming them i was just trying to be extra careful you just want to know what i was just like because i could have i could have misordered last time i just wanted to make sure there was no way i was leaving that place with a sandwich that didn't have jimmy's peppers on it but then he was just like totally like was like yeah but we also kind of mess things up sometimes and i was like well hey whatever happened we're

cool well listen we don't have time to get into it now but i've been with the combination of several things happening in my life and foremost being the closing of the nearest tubs location

If only you had some t-shirts, though, to commemorate.

I know. Yes, listener Jason and listener Jamie from different parts of the country both sent me different versions of Body by Tubbs Subs t-shirts. Thank you both so much for sending those in. I appreciate it. But now I'm starting to build a Body by Jersey Mike's, and we don't have time to get into it right now, Luke. I have a very loose 50 minutes on this, a loose meat 50 minutes on that. So I won't even get into it. I just want to plant that as something that, you know, you can you can steer us towards at some point this week. I could I really love to talk about Jersey Mike's. But let me just end by asking you a question related to your last story and Emmy Kate's experience. And the fact that people like me and Camaro Kev can kind of relate to it with the cheese and the mayonnaise or whatever to us that ruins the sandwich. Like it's a no go. Like you now need to have some you have to go back and get a different sandwich or just figure something else out. Is there anything, because you're talking about like a sandwich missing the ingredient that you wanted, but you can still eat it. You're a little bit bummed. Is there anything that somebody could put on a sandwich that you come home and you're just like, you generally like the sandwich. You know this brand or whatever, but they've put X on it, and therefore the sandwich is just burn notice to you.

I can't. There is.

anything that would that would do that to me except if they put like a massive amount of mushroom yeah that's i was gonna guess but those could be pulled off so the only there's that's really the only thing for me that would be like if there was if somehow them like if if the bread had like mushroom baked into it or something which would be a truly strange decision or if it was a

sloppy like if it was something that was just like very mushroom forward like they almost well sure

and that's or something i've really been of late i have been toying with the idea of ethically reintroducing a certain amount of meat into my diet because i was telling you i think i was telling you about this you and vives about this on friday when i was at your house but like after the show after live wire beck and i were going trying to get some food and we went there was like very little that was open late at night in seattle like that is to say at 10 p.m in like basically bell town which i was like what's weird it was very strange but so we went to this place that was near the hotel and it was a they had a limited menu because of the hour but b it was like i ordered we're always ordering a bunch of sides because neither of us really eat meat and it means that and i was i was talking about i was like i was like we rarely have a great experience at a restaurant where we're just like that was awesome it happens sometimes but it's very rare and the reason is because we're almost never ordering the thing that the restaurant is good at making because those are all things including meat usually like i am so effective at scanning a menu of a restaurant and finding what the non-meat items are and it's like it i'm often with me just eating a bunch of sides sometimes they're good sometimes they're not it's not the way the restaurant is designed to work though and so i was like you know if i were to like i don't know make some new rules for myself about the kind of meat that i'm willing to consume i don't i may think about it i was just like also i was really hungry it was late at night i was tired i was just like i was kind of i think i was just bummed out i was like i just want to have a decent restaurant meal again now i know if you go to a restaurant that is a vegetarian restaurant then you can really change that but that's the problem is most restaurants aren't that and it takes a lot of scheduling and I find myself a lot of times sitting at a hotel bar restaurant somewhere having just gotten in off a flight I just want to eat something that's satisfying and then go to bed and I'm almost always picking around the edges of what

the of what the restaurant does yeah you know I was gonna say and I'm not pushing back here because you know me I think you you should always do you but I was kind of surprised to hear that Like, not about your experience, like, everything was closed, you're traveling in Seattle, and you ended up at a sports bar, and you're trying to eat vegetarian.

Yeah, so after that, we ended up going to a second location, Buckley's, and getting a big pile of fries and mozzarella sticks.

Right, right, which I understand, like, that being, like, so unsatisfying. But I am surprised, because I would think that you're, I guess I just picture your restaurant experience different, and, like, because I think, well, you live in Portland, and you both, like, like good food. And I know that you describe Becca many times on the show as being very into good food and being a good cook and everything. So I would just assume that being in Portland, you guys are always going to good vegetarian forward restaurants. But I guess you travel a lot.

And you'd also be surprised. There are not like, I mean, there are a few. I'm sure people are going to email them to me. There's not like an endless list of strictly vegetarian restaurants in Portland or even places that are like mostly vegetable. Like, you know what I mean? And the other thing, too, is that a lot of times the pretend meat products are arguably more, like, weirdly engineered than, you know, something that was alive at one point. Like if I could figure out a way and this would just involve all of it involves more planning for me, whether it's just going to restaurants that are more able to do what I want or more meal prep on my part or like going out and finding very ethically sourced eggs and meat and things like that. And then saying, I'm going to buy, I'm only going to buy, you know, like a hamburger that's from these providers that I know they have the highest standards for what the life kind of the, you know, lifestyle of the animal is before it dies, that kind of stuff. I don't know. I just was having, I had like a mini crisis where I was just like, God, I haven't just been able to sit down in a restaurant and just order whatever it is I want in a long time. And I was just feeling kind of frustrated by the whole thing.

And again, me saying that, that was not a pushback. That was just me. I was kind of surprised, but no, I, I, I say this to you every time this comes up and it doesn't come up as often anymore, but like, this is, you're not, you're not making these decisions for anybody but yourself and maybe yourself and the people in your life that you're, you're dying with and animals, that's the thing. And animals, but like, I do kind of, you know. But you're, but you, you know what I mean?

You will make these decisions for yourself and not worry. I don't want people weighing in or you feeling like as you make decisions like this that you owe, I don't know, the listeners or me or anything more.

No, I don't feel that way, but I do – I remember Carrie said something to me once. I don't know. We were not having an argument at this moment that I'm describing, but she said something casually like, yeah, I can't believe we're still doing this vegetarian thing. It's like the longest thing I've ever seen you stick with. And that made a very big impression on me as a person who starts a lot of things and, you know, doesn't finish them, such as marriages. And so there was something about this being the one thing that I actually was, you know, and have stuck to, you know, more or less. I've had meat, but generally speaking, I don't eat a lot of meat, you know, for the last however many years of my life, five, six years. There was something about her being like, yeah, that you really, you really stuck to this. or that's the that's the longest thing you've ever stuck to that made a big impression on me and it's probably somewhere in the back of my mind when I consider kind of how I'm going to

consume food going forward that's that's like now it sounds like I'm going to be twisting the knife that's weirdly the nicest thing anybody's ever said to me is the exact opposite of that to me and in fact I think this inspired me to put in the TBTL newsletter 10 of the week thing like what's the nicest thing anybody's ever said to you or something like one time a couple of years ago So Genevieve and I were walking somewhere and I passed somebody who was smoking a cigarette or I caught a whiff of somebody's cigarette from, you know, it was one of those like kind of chilly days. It was outside. It just smelled nice in that moment. Right. And I just said, I'm thinking about starting smoking again. And she said, all right. I mean, it's your decision. I'm just surprised you are somebody who always like really sticks to sticks to your guns on things. Or she didn't say, I don't know. She just said, you're somebody who wants you to make your mind up on something. You stick to it. And I was like, is that what I'm putting out there? That is the nicest thing. Like, I don't even know if that's true. but man I think about it like when I'm when I'm hating on myself I think about that that's like literally one of the nicest things anybody's ever kind of casually said to me I was also totally joking about smoking I just said that as a dumb joke but I think she responded earnestly in a way that really made me feel special

that is a high compliment that basically says you're a person that when you decide something when you put your mind towards something you follow through and you stick with it that's a very high compliment the thing that Carrie said to me was literally the only time I've ever demonstrated that sort of characteristic in my life, which is why it's all I have left.

That's all you have left. You're like the last man on Earth. You're just surrounded by animals. You really talk about

that podcast a lot. Because it's all

I have left. Right. Right. All right. I've kept you 15 minutes later than I was supposed to. No, we're all

good. We're all good. I mean, not emotionally or physically or spiritually, but as far as me getting to the live wire recording, we're all going to say. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. But guess what? We're going to do another one of these tomorrow, probably mostly focusing on Jersey Mike subs and the culture surrounding that sandwich enterprise. So do join us for that. Oh, and my neighbor. And your neighbor. Who is going to talk about the most interesting man alive. We certainly got some interesting habits that I want to talk about. So we'll do that tomorrow. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. Stay dry wherever you are. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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