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A little BG on me. I do HR. It means human resources. Here at TAC, my name is Eric Rossdale. Some people call me Cool Eric. They called me that once. Some young people, too. Some one young person did that. I love people, to say that another way. I love people. That one's got a little more fun to it, doesn't it? TBTL! Mmm. Mmm. I thought I was shame-eating in private. What is shame-eating? I don't think we have enough time for that tonight. As I tried to explain before, you cannot get honey from a hornet's nest. I just don't think there's any science to support that, buddy. There's some very basic science out there supporting that. Trust me, pal.

What a fun, terrifying joke. That's science.

These are facts. In science, we call that a hypothesis. You find something to back it up and we can talk. Now, if you excuse me, I was watching Mama's Family.

This will be blown way out of proportion. You have my word on it.

torrentially raining but what else is new because it's april in the northwest and we are at episode 3926 in a collector's series let the fun begin there is a chartreuse shortage

that was the fanciest sentence i've ever heard and i used to watch frazier involving monks and a bar

in seattle and lots of things we will talk about that also or arnold schratzenegger is in a beef with CBS News over their coverage of him filling a pothole on his street in Brentwood.

You, sniffy man, make a decision.

Do it now! Also, not unlike my good friend Andrew Walsh and his love of Kixi Radio, radio as cool today as it was back then, I have fallen in love with a program that is no longer in production. In fact, the host is no longer alive. We're getting medium play on three independent radio stations in Central Europe. We'll talk about that too, plus emails and V-emails. And, oh, this guy, the aforementioned longest-running Cobra of the show, may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Hello, my friend.

Hello, Luke. I was listening to that introduction, the montage, the tape montage at the beginning of the show, which I made a while back, and I realized zero female representation in today's intro. All dudes, my apologies to everybody for not being more inclusive there.

Do you want to play the intro tape and I will fire some audio that involves a female person? Nope. So you're upset enough to mention it, but not upset enough to right the wrong.

Well, it was my mistake, and I don't know when I made that, but when I make those, I like to hear from various voices or whatever, and I was just sitting back listening. Because I made that so long ago, and you and I are in kind of a different recording schedule today. Maybe I'm in a different mindset. It seems like a long time ago since I picked that, and I'm just sitting here listening. I'm just like, huh, where are all the ladies at? Actually, you know I said that. Do you know that it's a – well, you will not. Do you mean honeys? You will not be surprised to hear this. I am getting more and more irked well I don't even know why I'm going to bring this up I bring this shit up too much and there's no answer to whatever but like especially are you saying call me Jaleel White because I'm irkled yes I am so sick of men who can't say the word woman or women and so they say we've talked about all the time well not this part oh we finish not me saying female but no ladies I hear this on on the um there are a couple of sports related things I've heard on the am dial recently like there was some sort of like this is what really irked me and i think i was listening to like rick riz and some other people and i i love rick riz and i realize that he's coming from a different generation but they're doing something i don't know if it was the end of last season or the beginning of this season they were supposedly honoring women in sports but rick riz kept calling them ladies like oh yeah you know shannon you and you the ladies are really out there killing it i'm just like just if you're honoring women in sports can you honor them By not making it sound like, well, even the little ladies are on the microphone now.

Yeah, that's not a great look. No, it's not.

It's really not.

Were you listening to the music of DJ E?

Z Rock and Rob Bass. And he said, ladies love me, girls adore me. I mean, even the ones that never saw me like the way that I rhyme at a show, the reason why, man, I don't know, so let's go. Yeah, that's actually that was the text

that I was working off of. Yes.

Thank you. That was the Bechdel test?

Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I don't know how I got on that. My apologies. I feel like I've already ruined the show loop. Please, save me. What's going on in your world? It's beautiful outside my window right now. It's sunny. What? It could not be nicer. Must be nice. When I'm done here, I'm going to go outside. I'm going to go peek into my hedges and see if those blackberry brambles are growing again. I'm trying to go out there every couple of weeks and nip them in the bud because if I turn my back on them, they're going to take over my hedges again. So that's my plan. But it sounds like you're being deluged.

I had to do that up at the other house the other day when I mowed the lawn. I put this on Instagram, so many of the people hearing this probably already saw me vibing hard on that lawnmower. but I also encountered some blackberry brambles and had to clip those as well

yeah now I think that I'm taking like because the blackberry brambles and the dandelions in my yard we're not quite to dandelion takeover in my yard yet but like I know it's around the corner I don't know if I've told you this before Luke but now my brain is broken because when I am walking out in public and you know like on the sidewalk kind of around our house we don't live in the most well-kept area so when i'm walking along one of the main arterials or like aurora or something like that and you pass a bunch of blackberry brambles or like the big nasty dandelion plants that are growing it is hard for me not to try to pull some of those dandelions out like for real like i have this urge i have this i see it and i just said this to genevieve yesterday we took a quick little walk around the neighborhood and i said it is so hard for me not to just bend over and start pulling these dandelions out, especially because I know the ground is nice and soft right now. And if you start, if you're those really big ones, if you get a good grip on it and pull really slowly, you will be rewarded.

Do you have one of those claw thingies that you step on and pull it back and the tongue on it pops the dandelion out by the root? Not yet, but that also came up in this conversation with Genevieve yesterday.

I said, I think this year is the year. And I'll be honest with you, watch out. Because if I get one of those things, I think this is going to go from a notion to a reality, and I think you're going to see me pulling dandelions out, because there's this little area along a main road I live nearby, and they have planted little tulips, which look really nice. I think that they, you know, they're perennials, right? So they're just popping up. Do I have that right? Perennials are the ones that pop up every year, right? I believe so. Yeah. So, you know, there's these nice little tulips, but then there's these nasty groat, and I, oh, my God. I got some emails from people who love dandelions last time. Listen, if you love dandelions, love them. That's fine. Fine, fine, fine. But I'm telling you, this isn't a good look along this little tree lawn area, and I'm really tempted to go to Home Depot or the Lowe's, the article on the wrong one there. Get me one of these dandelion pluckers. Yeah, the Home Depot. And just like, just, would that be weird? Do you think anybody would stop me from pulling dandelions on public land? I'm not joking.

No, I'm sure they will salute you. Listen, people do this kind of stuff all the time. I'm not one of those people, but I find it very admirable folks that take an interest in, you know, a little area by the side of the road or what have you. And they just make it nice. They beautify it for for all of us to enjoy. I think that actually would be a really cool move.

I'm serious, man. Well, I guess I got to look in my backyard first, I guess, as the saying somewhat.

So you'll pull the dandelions. You will not just mow them.

I try to. I mean, I don't know. I went back and forth last year. I mean, there's plenty that I just mowed, but what happens is you just, well, you always quote this. What is the first line of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? Something like, once you find yourself on a dandelion picking. Once you start, right, exactly.

What is it? Once you start in with like a heavy drug habit, there's no telling how far you'll go or whatever.

Yeah, collecting drugs for a road trip or something. Yeah, we're messing it up quite a bit there. No, I think that was it verbatim. My apologies, Duke. But yeah, once I once I like I'll be like, OK, I'm just going to grab I'm not going to get obsessed. I'm just taking out the garbage. Right. I'm just taking out the garbage. But then I see like the telltale signs. Maybe there isn't even a yellow flower on it. And it's just like those big leaves popping out like right in the middle of the grass. Right. I'm like, oh, and there's tons of them in our yard. But I'll just I'm just going to grab this one. I'm not going to get into this. I'm just going to grab this one because it looks like nice and juicy. It's ready for pluck in. The ground is soft. I'm going to get it.

I don't know why you're very into the hydrology of these plants. No, of the ground. I've never heard the term juicy.

Well, meaning that like midsummer when the sun comes out and the ground gets really hard, it's going to.

be again without a tool which i will probably remedy it gets very difficult to pull these things out because they just really cling to the hardened earth but right now when you have a day exactly like today luke where it's been raining non-stop for like three or four days when it's moist but now the sun is out and the ground is very very soft and you can get a good handle on these things if you pull very slowly and patiently eventually you'll just get the most satisfying pop from deep in the earth deep in the earth and you pull this thing out you're like how long is this gonna be how long and you pull one out you got a whole like carrot on the end of it there

my god it's so satisfying it's interesting because the the house that i'm remodeling is on about an acre and a half maybe and i have no dandelions oddly enough that's interesting and the house in bellingham which was a much more like manicured you know just city kind of lawn I was bedeviled by the dandelions

You know I had this very wrong Well obviously we had the quote from Fear and Loathing Wrong but the first line is a different Famous line we were somewhere around Barstow On the edge of the desert When the drugs began to take effect That's the first line But yeah very quickly thereafter I think both In the book and the movie that's when he says Once you find yourself on like some sort of a drug There's a tendency to push it As far as you can go or something like that Acquisition campaign

And then also he said, I didn't tell him about the bats. He'd see them soon enough, the poor bastard.

Oh, it's so good.

It's so good. I mean, for somebody who I've really gone on a long journey with, the idea of Hunter S. Thompson, I have to admit, that book and that movie is really good, as is Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, as is Hell's Angels.

Yeah, I want to read more. I mean, he's obviously like, I think that there are, Now, back to my back to my feminism. Did you bring up on the show recently or was it an off air thing? I completely forgot about the fact that we used to like way back when I was new on the show, when women, when issues related to women would come up. I think you mean ladies. We do something called the one and a half men. Did you bring that up on the show recently? I had totally, totally, totally forgotten about that. I don't think we would do that today. But yes. Do you remember the theme, though? It was I'm Every Woman by Gloria Gaynor maybe Is it Gloria Gaynor

I actually think that's kind of a genius segment

It is, it is I mean you just I think pulled it on me one day I was like alright fine I'll wear that mantle

I mean it gets dangerous because it gets into Obviously weird gender stuff But the idea that we as two men Will with knowing how ridiculous it is Weigh in on issues that pertain to women And as long as we go in with our eyes open and the joke is on us, I actually think that's an OK bit.

OK, I wish I could play this from the movie, but I can't. So I'm just going to read it. I'm going to read the whole long quote because it is beautiful. I think I was starting to say that Hunter S. Thompson is one of those writers who, like, I really admire his writing. And I didn't really question much about him or his his place in the world when I fell in love with like he must have been exhausting to be. Oh, he's just – yeah, and again, you want to run his stuff through a feminist lens? I'd probably say don't. Anyway, this is the quote. You know, actually, though, I have to be – Yeah? You want to defend him? Maybe I'm wrong.

I wouldn't say he was an ally, but I would say that like as opposed to Bukowski or something. Sure. I think Hunter S. Thompson was so narcissistic and male-centered that he generally was just writing about men, which is not great. But I don't think he took – I'm sure someone will find an example to counter this. But he didn't take time out of his day to write actively disparagingly about women because he didn't consider women.

Yeah. No, I could. I could. Yeah, I could see that. So here's the quote that we've been really fumbling around. I'm going to read the whole thing here. It's a little bit long. We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multicolored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers, and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum. a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. What does that even mean? I don't know. I always see this word written A-M-Y-L-S. Is that amyls? I know it's like. Yeah, I think amyl nitrate, right? You inhale it, right?

Is that poppers maybe?

I think so. And then the line after that is, not that we needed all of that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. You know. That's what we said.

again that was exactly like to the syllable that's what we said um like we were were we talking on air off air the other day about how difficult it would seem uh to make the movie fear and loathing in las vegas Thank you. reflect the way the book feels and somehow terry gilliam absolutely did that yes it came up i gotta

find this article and save it somewhere and just send it to people when i think of it but i know it was a washington post piece that came out after um oh we just did this on the show and now i'm not gonna be able to remember anybody's names but what's the um the the movie that came out that was based on a book by the guy who wrote the don de lillo book that wasn't underworld white noise white noise came out and so that had a bunch of people talking about like do great works of literature make great movies right a lot of people were saying actually more mid middling books make great movies and it's hard to capture the essence of great literature and there are a few exceptions and this piece in the post goes and interviews a lot of directors who have tried to make those exceptions including terry gilliam who um you know whether or not you think that fear and loathing is a great piece of literature it is certainly something that is written in a very specific a very unique voice very unique not supposed to say that but like that has a has a very specific perspective and voice to it and to be able to turn that into a film would seem almost impossible right but Terry Gilliam really nailed it

you know see previous comments it's a giant drug trip and like the scene where they're like trying to check into the hotel and it's just full of dinosaurs who are copulating eating each other it's like it it holds up pretty well just from like a special effects standpoint and luke there's

something relevant to our interests in that scene as well because i believe that is literally a what a law enforcement conference is it not is it not a cop conference i think it is it is well

they and i believe michael jeter from the tv show evening shade is giving a talk to the law enforcement folks about the evils of drugs and that is just a great great scene it's just

like he's amazing in that I just will give out the name of because even in my personal life I've been quoting this a lot as well or trying to doing the version of quoting that I just did it was a Washington Post piece from early January that says some books are impossible to turn into movies but why let that stop you and it's by Travis Andrews in the Washington Post and again And just gets really great perspective from various filmmakers and other people, you know, creatives and what have you. It's a really good read.

Do you know that I completely forgot that Johnny Depp plays Hunter S. Thompson? Yeah, that's another. I was trying to find Michael Jeter from Fear and Loathing and then just showing me the cast. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's Johnny Depp.

Yeah, that's yeah, that's another thing, too.

But, man, he really disappears in that role. If you go back and you look at the tape, it's essentially a preview for the Savage ads. Yeah, right. It's a universe in which it's all part of the same film world

Now let me ask you this I don't know if we've ever had this conversation Now that I think about it You're a huge Bill Murray fan Bigger than me Have you seen Where the Buffalo Roam Which was his take on Yes

I have a long time ago And I didn't think it was great But I think at the time I didn't realize He was portraying Hunter S. Thompson If you can believe that

I must have been like a kid So it came out in 1980 I wasn't sure about that, I'm looking it up now But I remember seeing it in college and enjoying it And I think I'd read Fear and Loathing by that point But I'd like to go back and watch it again And see if it holds up Did I lose you or was that just an incredibly Uninteresting place to end my sentence?

No, I had my microphone muted I was so interested I was plowing along Asking you if I could play this clip from Fear and Loathing And I was telling you that Michael Jeter is playing a character called Dr. Bumquist.

Okay, yes, you can. Play it. Okay, and I'm sorry. I am so sorry to leave you hanging out. I was actually thinking as I was saying that sentence, like, if I was on the Levitard show, he would never let me get away with that. It's just like ending. Like, I'm supposed to be broadcasting here. I'm just like, I should re-watch that movie. I don't think that's a great way to end.

Let's not start holding ourselves to those kinds of standards now.

Okay.

3,926 times into this. Good. You'll have it.

You'll let me get away with it. That's why I like you more than Dan Levitard.

Because I would I would like to also be able to get away with that. I would like to get away with just playing this random clip from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which I'm sure will totally not pay off. But they're at a, as you said, law enforcement conference. And for some reason, Hunter S. Thompson and his attorney are sitting in this kind of ballroom with all these police types as the guy, Michael Jeter from Evening Shade, is talking about the evils of drugs.

This is not him yet. Sorry, I'm going to get to that.

Here we go. Sorry.

sock of the possessed mind. For example, a dope fiend refers to the reefer butt as a roach because it resembles a cockroach. What the fuck is people talking about?

This so doesn't pay off but it makes me want to watch this movie. I'll just spare everyone.

I didn't know who Michael Jeter was, but I see he played Mr. Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle, on the Elmo's World segments of Sesame Street from 2000 to 2003. I'm sorry, yes, I buried the lead. Mr. Noodle's brother, Michael Jeter, also from Evening Shade. Whoever wrote that in Wikipedia, I love it. He played Mr. Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle, in Elmo's World. I just, I love those people.

I love the people who go on Wikipedia and make sure that Michael Jeter's – that every credit that Michael Jeter is owed is an RIP. I believe he passed away some time ago. But I just love the person who's going on Wikipedia and updating little things like that. I often point out on the show when I can tell it's also the person in question. Yes. Or more to the point, it's the person who did one thing that was related to this famous person. And so it'll be like, you know, something so right is the third track off of Negotiations and Love Songs by Paul Simon, which involved John Smith playing maracas. And you're like, that was definitely John Smith. No one was tracking who played the maracas on something so right.

Michael Jeter often credited his brother, James Jeter, for his inspiration and for pleasing a path for him into the world of entertainment. I think James Jeter might have had his fingerprints all over this Wikipedia page

Let's take a quick break and then we come back I do, if I can I do want to talk about this chartreuse story so maybe I'll talk tomorrow about my new radio obsession with a show that doesn't exist any longer or at least isn't being created anymore, produced anymore but we definitely have to take a break so stay with us, more TBTL coming up

We was hoping for some razzle dazzle Razzle dazzle That's right, man. Razzle-dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set.

We were somewhere near Barstow when the drugs began to take off. I forgot that this song is so prominent in that movie. That would be tonally quite the shift. It would. For fear and loathing. Although, maybe. I mean, it's also weird enough that I could see them go into a diner and this is playing.

Well, right. They go see Debbie Reynolds. Didn't they get kicked out of a Debbie Reynolds show? Yeah.

Oh, there's that. And also there's a diner that they get kicked out of For writing something filthy on a napkin Right

Well, we're not here to talk about such things We're here to honor our dazzling donors These are the wonderful, generous people Making TBTL possible People like Audrey Hausman Who's in Akron, Ohio Hey, hey The polymer capital of the world

You know it, baby

Audrey says It's been 11 years since I started listening to TBTL And in that time I've noticed something odd Many of my major life milestones Have tended to line up With similar ones in Luke's And Andrew's lives Uh oh Are we going to get into Audrey's divorces

Yes I believe Could I be wrong about that I think so I read this yesterday

I just It feels maybe I just hope I am not I hope I'm not causing divorces To happen in the world due to how I'm living my life.

Luke, I mentioned to you that we heard from one listener who woke up in the middle of the night after biting her tongue, something that had never happened to her before until I mentioned it happening to me on the show. I have now heard from several listeners with the same exact story. This has never happened to me before. What I'm doing is causing marriages to fall apart.

And they're both painful. They really are. For example, Audrey says, I moved from Ohio to D.C. as Andrew moved to L.A. I got divorced around the same time as Luke. Well, there you go. The latest, well, I bought a fixer-upper property at a lake in rural Ohio. Wait, I follow Audrey on Instagram. Yeah. Audrey has a great Instagram page. I don't know if this is – it is. I'm getting to it. I should pre-read these. I love Audrey's Instagram page. It's a teal house on the hill because Audrey and her partner are fixing this super cool house up. And I love looking at their progress and I love feeling inspired. Let me get back to the message, which is going to say all of those things in a moment. Fortunately, it hasn't needed as much of a major overhaul. But this is Audrey talking about her house.

at the lake, but it hasn't been without its share of surprises, from pipes bursting to hot water tank malfunctions to the pipes bursting again to what our electrician called truly creative wiring. Not an area where creativity is a virtue,

right, Audrey? No, definitely.

I think I've made this comment on the show a few times, but there's nothing that contractors like doing more than being befuddled by whoever did the project before them yeah and my dad is one of those people yesterday my dad would not shut up about glue lambs and seal floor joists and he was going on and on and on about he was making me walk around and look at stuff that i had no understanding of and then we had to go to the basement of the house and this is not stuff that's going to be Worked on currently like this is so far down The road and I had explained to him The day before I was like dad I need you to understand Something when you talk about Support beams and And you know Crib walls and What it's all over my head I don't understand it and my brain will never understand It and so then he proceeded to tell me about That stuff for about three hours yesterday

Luke That aside I'm not even joking here I've made a terrible mistake oh do you remember how i don't know 20 minutes ago i just dismissively said to the listeners i know some of you guys like dandelions i got a bunch of emails from you get off my back you mean daffodils no i meant dandelions but i'm i'm now on audrey's uh instagram page and there is oh no absolutely beautiful photo of and i even liked it before i realized what was going on here it's her first harvest of the year of dandelions it says ryan had to go mow today so i scurried out in the yard to collect these beauties i think literally it was audrey who sent me the one of the emails last year saying please stop being so mean to dandelions i love dandelions And now we're reading Audrey's dazzling donor message after I just dismissed that 20 minutes ago My apologies, Audrey, can I just tell you this is a beautiful Instagram

Also, I would say to Audrey, no givebacks

Yeah, I'll edit it out, I'll edit this out No takebacks, sorry, we got the donation and we appreciate it But yeah, this is a beautiful lifestyle page and these photos are incredible Oh, so cool Yes, I'm following now

Absolutely So here is the rest of Audrey's message My partner and I have created an Instagram where we're sharing progress on turning this little A-frame into a small homestead featuring gardens and orchard and bees. I invite tens to check it out. It's called at Teal House on the Hill. It's beautiful. It's great. I am already an Instagram follower of listener Audrey and her partner. Now, Audrey says, final comments. I never break rules, but I'm going to do so now. Please continue reading this part on air. I'm already sorry for this flagrant lawlessness, but not enough to not do it. So is Audrey using up extra characters here?

Is that what's going on, Andrew? I think what's going on is, yeah, there's a segment on the Dazzling Donor Forum where you can just leave extra messages for the folks at APM or just whatever else that isn't really part of your message. But I think what's going on here is this is Audrey's way of skirting around the character limit on the form, which I salute that. I salute you.

Absolutely. Good way to think outside the box, Audrey. Audrey says, thanks for yet another year of madcap and heartfelt podcasting, guys. Y'all mean so much to me, and I'm glad to have you as my imaginary friendos. Well, we are glad to have you, Audrey, dandelions, and all. Maestro?

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dattle.

We've also got to thank dazzling donor Samir Qureshi. in porter ranch california samir samir says i first learned about tbtl when luke was doing his awesome not awesome segment on the madeline brand show samir was the listener yeah i knew somebody

was out there i think you got a lot of listeners that way honestly then why am i banned from kcrw andrew that's the real question i don't know if that's true anymore yeah i wonder about that i don't know if we've ever talked about that publicly but yeah i did work with somebody and you and i were doing this podcast at the time and you had various projects i think you were doing livewire at the time and somebody did tell me that like oh yeah burbank's shows aren't really there's no place for them on kcrw and i wasn't exactly sure why or what you did to engender these feelings from management i am going to choose to and

interpret it as because this show that samir was listening to probably when it was on kpcc um was you know had a bunch of sort of the sklar brothers would hang on there's a whole bunch of buddies wait did you guys have the sklar brothers on when you were doing it on kcrw quite a bit yes

god so my theory i actually though think that your theory is kind of right because i do know that like they just said let's get rid of the old things that didn't work and now we are kind of getting into maybe some stuff that whatever it was a long time ago it was almost 10 years ago for god's sakes i you know madeline samir remembers madeline did have like a bunch of regular guests on her show at the one radio station then when we started uh another show with her at the radio station across town the the you know competitor i guess um there was this sort of vibe of we don't want to just create the same thing she was doing over there and madeline was excited to have her old friends on the show like you and the sklar brothers and pesca and other people but i think that there were some people who were like well we want to carve out kind of a new space here um and for some reason the sklar brothers i think we did have to sort of fight to get them on and maybe they pulled the ladder up after them i'm not exactly sure what you're saying is you didn't feel like it was a priority to fight for me being on the show you know luke i hear your voice a lot also i don't think it's your nightmares i don't believe oh also congratulations on being apparently the only show on k and kow weekends like i love you to death i really do like i you're one of my best friends or you're one of my better friends um i was good with the first part of that i wanted to pull back a little bit there but is there ever a time on the weekend that i can turn on kow and not hear you on stage legally no because i feel like honestly do they play that four times a weekend or something it's always live wire it's literally always live wire or

is it just my pattern timing of your life i believe it's on at noon on kow but then there will also be the occasional weekend where i'm i'm doing wait wait and so that will um you know that'll that'll double the amount of burbank in your life i guess so i always hear live wire though anyway congratulations sounds like you really enjoy it too yeah god is that on again oh god how long is this flipping show anyway back to samir's message i first learned about luke when he was doing awesome not awesome on the madeline brand show i'm excited to listen to my friends luke and andrew banter about everything and nothing every day i'm also a techno geek with spreadsheet and if anyone is looking to grow their engineering team with offshore resources or needs help with their digital marketing campaigns hit me up this is uh koreshi this is a samir's email which is a remiss r-i-m-a-s dot koreshi at gmail.com that's r-i-m-a-s dot koreshi which is q-u-r-e-s-h-i at gmail.com that's samir up yeah is that samir backwards i guess right remiss oh

i could have stared at that for days well i'm a real oh luke well i don't know whatever you'd be great in an escape room i did i was in an escape room once i had a new record a streak my longest streak ever on wordle i was up to 58 consecutive wins and i busted it yesterday oh no what was the word it was it ended up being hound but it was one of those where i had the hound figured out by turn three but i was putting in it could have been sound yes exactly and i was down to my very last turn i'd eliminated so many letters luke that i knew there were only two options left hound or sound and i went i was like i think they would choose hound it seems more like a new york times word but if i don't choose sound and i and i work in the sound business then i'm going to be forever mad at myself and um i went with sound and it was the other one ah becca sent

me her uh progress the other day and it was a word that she was annoyed with was it dwelt yes

i got that one that was in it the other day yeah i got that one the other day that was good i got that i think she was like who uses dwelt people who dwell places in the past people who have

previously dwelled somewhere exactly yeah um anyway uh hit up samir again remus which i've just learned is samir backwards dot koreshi at gmail.com and thanks to samir and audrey for keeping tbtl going hello and welcome to top story all right uh there is apparently a chartreuse shortage i don't think i knew by the way andrew until i saw this new york times article that chartreuse was a liqueur i i've i've known it as a color i also by the way Didn't know it was green until I Read this article if if if If you would have asked me what color Is chartreuse I would have guessed pink

Probably yeah I think of it I Know I always get this wrong but I Think of it as like that like almost like Mauve or something like a pink or purple Yeah that's how I think of it too

Greenish it is greenish and Forgive me I'm logging into The New York Times because they don't remember That I'm paying them my hard-earned Do re mi To have access to their stuff Now, I don't remember my password. This is great, Andrew. This is going really well.

I actually read this article. Is there anything? And I have it in front of me for details. But essentially, this is a liqueur that has been made for, is it hundreds of years by these monks in France?

France, I want to say. Yeah, the French Alps. One of the things that's fascinating to me, you be my fact check and cuz, okay? Yeah, yeah. I'm going to wing it Robin Williams style. And then your job, because you have access to the article, is to tell me when I'm wrong. So this order of monks has been making chartreuse forever. And they have decided that even though there's this huge demand for chartreuse, because of a particular drink that got popular through the Zig Zag Cafe in Seattle.

Have you been, by the way?

I don't think I have. And I know it's legendary. It's supposed to be the place for cocktails, right?

I did not know that it was legendary. Genevieve and I stumbled on it, I don't know, a long time ago. It's buried kind of near the market, but it's in that area where all those – I don't even know how to describe it. But there's this area that's kind of a common, like kind of campus-y area down by the market, but it's where all the stairs are and the parking garages. And it's like there's some businesses that are sort of nestled away on various levels. And the zigzag is kind of buried away in there somewhere. It's always difficult to find by map because it's like it's kind of it looks like it's in the middle of a no man's land sort of. And I don't remember how we stumbled on it after leaving an Ira Glass show one time, like years and years ago. And we had such a wonderful dinner and a wonderful time there. And I went back a couple of times like when people are visiting or whatever, we'll take it there. Like I'm not somebody who you usually associate probably with places famous for craft cocktails. And I don't know that I got craft cocktails, but it is a you would love it, Luke. This is a really nice place. I recommend taking friends there next time you're in town.

I mean, yeah, I've heard it's legend forever, and it turns out that one of the bartenders at ZigZag was popularizing this drink that involves chartreuse and kind of started this national movement towards making this drink and using a lot of chartreuse. But because the people who make chartreuse, it's not just, you know, Anheuser-Busch or something. It's these monks. They have decided they are not going to up their production. even though there's a ton of demand. And so there is now a shortage of chartreuse. It turns out, according to this article in the New York Times, that the chartreuse was getting so popular that at some point, somebody in charge of the monks had to remind them that they're monks. They're not running a booze business.

Yeah, yeah. Which I found hilarious. Right, exactly. Hey, let's focus on our mission here, guys, which is interesting. And also, like, this is one of those things where I didn't, When we got to the part of the article, when we, when me and my eyes got to the part of the article that mentioned the zigzag, I was like, oh, I know that place. I like that place. I was very excited. I didn't know that this had that connection. But I got to say this was one of those things, as much as I love that place, also this New York Times article does that thing where they include quotes from people that you know you're supposed to roll your eyes at a little bit too. Because I'm not into the super precious cocktail scene or whatever. And I have friends who are very into that. I have friends who have podcasts about that scene. So I'm not trying to like throw shade there. But like there's a quote in here somewhere where there is a one of these bartenders or one of these mixologists probably who says, I found it. I stand with the monks, says Tony Malichi of Rolo's, a restaurant in Queens. But I'm also responsible for running a sick beverage program. Andrew, when I tell you that quote jumped out at me, sick beverage program. I know like that is the perfect example Of a quote that they drop into a New York Times Article because you know You're supposed to like it's supposed to spark a little Bit of either a little bit or a lot of rage In you I stand with the monks

But I also have to rise and grind

I have to run a sick Beverage program is there any Like oh my that reading that Line made me wish that these monks would never Create another drop of chartreuse As long as they live so this guy can run His sick beverage program with so in queens without it anyway i just uh i it it's sort of charming to me in a way because it

is you know everything just about everything out there in the world of commerce and business

is just driven by profits and by production and you have this weird intersection of of what these monks i assume would consider a higher calling right yeah so you have this kind of weird intersection of business and someone's spiritual life where the honoring of the spiritual life

means less chartreuse for your sick beverage program right exactly and also in the fact that it's now suddenly like on trend is some and and also the fact that it's like and again if you're using chartreuse in a cocktail you're probably not somebody who's like really just hammering these things and getting super drunk and you know what i mean like i don't which is why i don't

generally go to cocktail bars and this is not i'm not even kidding this is a terrible commentary on my relationship with with booze but i'm i'm not the kind of person who wants to go have one very carefully crafted cocktail yeah i wish i was i wish i it's also why i don't care about brew pubs I don't want to go have one hazy IPA or whatever. Like, I'm here to have stiff drink. What do they say in It's a Wonderful Life? We serve stiff drinks to men that want to forget things, and we don't need anyone around giving the place atmosphere.

I did not know that line, but now I'm starting to fill in the gaps of why you like that movie so much, or maybe how that movie impacted it on you or imprinted on you.

It really did. But that's when Jimmy Stewart's character has not been born, right? He wishes he wasn't born. And then he has to go – he's going through this town where he has had a huge impact when he was alive. But we're seeing the version of this town when he was never born. And this bar, Nix, is run by this guy who in real life is super nice and loves George Bailey. But this has become it's become kind of a speakeasy, kind of a den of iniquity. And Jimmy Stewart shows up with his angel buddy, Clarence, and and they are they're summarily thrown out of the place because they're giving it too much atmosphere.

I don't have the actual audio here, but it looks like the actual quote is we had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, the five blotter acid.

Do you take you drink the blotter acid? You eat it. I guess you put it on your tongue. Yeah you ever take acid I've never taken acid in my life

Yeah

That's one of those things that has no appeal to me It's probably the same reason That weed doesn't have a huge appeal to me I don't I have a hard enough time keeping my brain rooted In reality as it is I don't feel like I want to see things That don't exist or whatever Although that being said I do love mushrooms

I was going to say I'll admit to having dabbled a few times In my youth And I don't like that stuff I don't like mushrooms or acid They both make me feel too speedy and anxious But I would say it's interesting Because I mean you like mushrooms And I think acid is I'm not recommending it by the way I'm seriously not But I would think that the comparison to acid and mushrooms Would be much closer than the comparison between weed and acid

Well I've never had enough mushrooms To have any kind of hallucination The closest I got was i had maybe one too many when i was in hawaii and i remember just floating in a swimming pool and just like feeling like i could see the music that was playing on the like sonos speaker

so maybe that was a hallucination maybe but but it is true i mean you hear the term micro dosing a lot and so like it it can be used as like kind of a a mood lifter and it sounds like that's what you that's what you like about it and it kind of will maybe like offset if you are drinking a little bit do you like to why am i doing this but do you like to drink when you're on mushroom In my experience, it's been a really long time I remember being on mushrooms made me not want to drink Or consume anything

I've only done them a handful of times And my memory is that it did not cause me to want to drink Which is, you know, again That's good for my liver What I remember is that I was at Sasquatch The music festival And on one night, somebody gave me a pot brownie And I ate it and I just thought everyone was mad at me The whole night And then the next night somebody gave me Clearly when I'm at those festivals I'm like Mikey, I'll just eat whatever you hand me But I had a mushroom The second night, like a psilocybin And I just thought, God, what a beautiful place This world is So it was a real kind of like side by side Experiment In how my body or my brain reacts To different substances And I just had such a wonderful night The night that I had the mushroom And a very kind of tense night The night I had the weed brownie And what were we talking about? We were talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger Well, we were going to Yes Now

Now, have you followed this whole this whole situation? I did not know about it until I saw it in the show sheet today, but I did read the New York. I saw that it was from the New York Post. We'll call back to yesterday's show. You're saying that you're your shame publication. And I did read it, but this is the first I heard of it.

Now, I have to say, I am. I find myself siding with the governator here, Andrew. Are we still calling him that? Yeah, I think so. People loved calling him the governator when I lived in California. It was a whole personality for people that didn't have a real personality was calling him the governator. So the first wave of this story was Arnold Schwarzenegger is out fixing a pothole on his street in Brentwood. And it's him and a guy who presumably works for him maybe and they're filling a pothole with that kind of hot asphalt or something. And so the first wave was Look at former governator Arnold Schwarzenegger is out Fixing potholes on his own street He is being the change he wants to see Then the article started coming out saying Actually what Arnold Schwarzenegger filled Was a trench that was for utility work That the city, the street people The people that work on the streets had that there for a reason and so Arnold Schwarzenegger was out there trying to get some attaboys but in fact he was making life harder on the people who fixed the streets of Brentwood. But now he denies that. Yes because his point and I have to say I kind of agree with him is he says this headline from CBS is basically misleading. This is the tweet from CBS News and by the way some of my best friends work for CBS news not me i hate myself but my friend john goodwin and my friend anthony lodato the this is the tweet from cbs news the giant pothole that arnold schwarzenegger said he recently filled on a street in his los angeles neighborhood of brentwood was actually a trench that had been dug for utility work according to the city arnold schwarzenegger's clapping back is yes it was a trench but it's been there forever and i called the city and they're not using it anymore and Everyone on the street hated the trench, so I filled it in. So the spirit of the story, i.e. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the governator, fills in troublesome hole on his street, that's still what's going on in Arnold Schwarzenegger's consideration. Like, okay, technically it started out as a trench, it wasn't a pothole, but by putting the headline, Arnold Schwarzenegger actually filled in utility trench, it makes him look like a fool and makes it look like he was doing something dumb when he his argument is the nature of the whole is not important it's that there was a big hole we all hated it i called the city and they weren't using it anymore but no one would come fill it but

the official statement from the city and i mean this could just be bureaucracy or what have you but the official statement from the city when contacted i i believe by i believe by the post but maybe the post is just re-reporting somebody else's reporting but apparently the city said no that is an active project until the end of may like they gave that specificity that like that is considered an active project until the end of may that's a good point i'm reading that right now so

maybe i now have to side with cbs news oh that's right cbs i'm sorry i boy i just no no no no you're right it's a it's a piece in the post but arnold schwarzenegger is specifically mad at cbs news

right some reason because of their tweet and so i'm assuming it's cbs who did the reporting on that now that's interesting because you we all know how you know bureaucracy can sometimes you know not that they would just make that up but yeah there's probably a quote open ticket on that right and it technically doesn't end until the end of may it's one of those things where everybody can sort of be right and everybody can sort of be wrong you know well i mean it really does i mean this fits into exactly what i was talking about before like maybe i go and i pick these dandelions off of aurora and then i find out from the city that's part of an open ticket for a dandelion harvesting. You're going to mail those to

who's our listener in Ohio? Pardon me, Audrey.

I was drinking a little coffee.

This is what Arnold Schwarzenegger says. This headline slash tweet is bogus. He's referring to the CBS tweet. The story is correct. The utility work was finished in January. I filled in the hole three months later and the city left my fix in place. This story should be taught in a class for people who are confused about why institutional trust is in decline that might be a little bit of an overstatement yeah exactly i read an arnold

schwarzenegger joke on um read it a while back i'm trying to remember it now so i can tell it to you um i think it went like this my girlfriend left me recently she said it was because my arnold schwarzenegger imitation is so bad Yeah.

but I'm not worried about it. She'll come back. But it has to be, wait. It was like. I'll be back? Well, that's the thing. The imitation is so bad. She'll be back? But it shouldn't be she'll be back. It would be she'll return or something like that. You're supposed to make, I messed up. I got nervous at the end. It has to be like, you have to mess up the quote so bad. My girlfriend left me because my impression of Arnold Schwarzenegger is so bad. But that's okay. She'll return. Sorry, I messed that up. Oh, well, I messed up the joke. It's hard. Like, I know we have a drop that says this, but jokes are hard. When, like, when it's somebody else's joke and you need to, like, reverse engineer it on the fly to land at this punchline, I'm just giving myself, I'm trying to give myself cover here.

No, I'm telling you, most of what I do on this show is poorly repeat jokes that somebody else said.

I was so close on that one. I was so close. and I just whiffed the most important part.

It whiffed right out of your brain.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man, it's not from a female.

All right, email or V-mail before we... I was going to say hit the dusty trail, but here in Portland, it's the soggy trail. I'm jealous that you're getting...

Oh, it's so beautiful. I'm seriously...

Beautiful treatment up there.

I know we're posting the show a little bit late today, but as soon as I'm done here, I might just go peek inside those bushes and just see what's going on. Because I already went out there once about a month ago, maybe three weeks ago, and already the blackberry brambles were starting to take off from the places where I'd cut it down to the ground last year. But I know that you have to actually kill them.

You have to literally nip that in the bud.

Yeah. And so I don't want to go out there where people are saying, use bleach or use this organic pesticide or whatever. Not pesticide, herbicide. But I kind of don't feel like getting into that. and it's really hard to navigate back there because I have to squeeze into the hedge. It's really hard to get back there. So what I'm trying to do is just keep an eye on it.

You've got to be careful, too, because you'll go into Narnia.

That was such a fantasy of mine as a kid, man. That idea of just finding an accidental doorway literally in a wardrobe and it takes you to a different land, that's the shit. We were talking about chinchillas on the show the other day. I just said Narnia's the shit. Show title? We were talking about chinchillas the other day. Any idea why? I can't remember.

Because when I was trapped in Chicago and my flight was canceled on a Friday night, on Saturday I was bonding with some of the other passengers. And one of them was a teacher from Chicago who was flying Mr. Bean, her chinchilla, out to, I think, Portland ultimately. And Mr. Bean was the chinchilla that had belonged to the class.

Right, exactly. And I think that will even come up in this voicemail. So thank you for the clarity on that. But a couple of things. We did get some emails from our friend Nick, the Perfect Ten, who was saying that his dad has, like, three or four chinchillas, I think, and that they're, like, really smart. And we also got this voicemail from Sarah.

Hey, Andrew, this is listener Sarah from Hampton, Illinois. I was pulling up to the Petco to get our chinchillas, some food and hay and whatever, while I hear chinchilla talk. on today's episode, and I had to chime in, I could not think of a more intricate pet to get for a school classroom than chinchillas. Our family made the very unique mistake of getting chinchillas, and when I say mistake, we love them. Our children were about five and seven when we decided to adopt two chinchillas. My son wanted a rat. My husband said you no thank you she wanted a hamster we wanted something a little bit sturdier that wasn't going to maybe pass on after six months and so we got the idea to get chinchillas and we did the research we thought we could take wonderful care of them and it turns out we do take wonderful care of them because now my daughter is getting ready to graduate high school and moved to college, and she's not taking her chinchilla, who is still going strong. These animals live 20 years in captivity, and now we're stuck with these very large cages for these chinchillas, and guess who gets to inherit these chinchillas now that she's looking to move out? definitely not what i was thinking we would get ourselves roped into when a seven and a five year old say we want a pet for our room however they're super wonderful we love them um they're really cuddly and fluffy and the one will just sit with you and TV and hang out and you know eat little treats out of your hand he's great probably not the best pet for somebody like Andrew though because they they poop everywhere and they do kick their

poop is it Sarah's contention that I would enjoy something I think that I have a reputation for being especially person everywhere and they do kick their poop out of their cage which is super

fun so a lot of vacuuming with a shop vac that doesn't go in mom and dad's dices though yep just had to add our chinchilla talk to it because i could not imagine having that in the classroom it's such a they are really high commitment pets however we love them and they're cute and fluffy

power out how great is that voicemail from sarah amazing i wish though we knew the name of the chinchilla oh yeah sarah let us know i feel like whatever that chinchilla's name is it's gonna make me laugh oh hey by the way big cat news here in the has walsh household uh today you're getting a thruple excuse you also what's the cat news by the way do you know that you introduced the term excuse you like heavily into my lexicon you were telling some story like i don't know six months to a year ago and you were talking about some woman who was rude in an airport or something I don't know what it was and you in the middle of your story I don't know if you remember this you just said and I was like excuse you and I had not heard that since I have no memory of saying that but I'm glad I laughed so hard I told Genevieve about it and then we both are like cry laughing and now whenever possible we implement a excuse you which is just like such a I mean it's just such a good retort but anyway the cat news is that uh earlier today luke i gotta whisper this our cats were not just sitting together on the same couch but on the same blanket and bingo and they were both like totally relaxed and bingo had his little paws on bananas's tail i mean this is a big development like we love our cats to snuggle our old you know when uh theo murray was still around he and bananas would just snuggle all the time but bingo still got so much you know kitten energy and i don't think he means ill i mean i know he does he's a damn cat but you know he sees bananas the older cat the the timid cat who doesn't want to who just wants to be left alone he's like sees her as like a either a toy to play with at all times so if she's just chilling by herself he'll just randomly jump on her back and try to like start beating her up and she's like i don't want to do that now and then she goes and runs to a corner somewhere um and uh anyway she's been a little bit more relaxed lately and i think that maybe he jumps on her and she just knows if instead of running away if i just if i just hold my ground here for two seconds maybe he'll settle down and so i i'm wondering if maybe by this winter when things get cool again at the end of summer might we see just two cats snuggled up on a blanket together luke i can't even tell you what that would mean to my to me and my heart cute yeah by the way i just texted you a photo that i'd randomly saw on like instagram the other day it was an ad for this litter robot thing that i have which is this self-cleaning device yeah but it's basically bubbles and bingo that is yeah that's a bangle cat yeah a cat that looks a lot like bingo looks a lot like bingo we also i got a text message from a listener and i'm so sorry that i can't i can't remember your name off the top of my head but a listener texted me um a photo of her cat who i think is quite a bit older than

than bingo but luke i would not be able to pass a uh uh what do you call it when criminals stand in front of a wall a lineup like i did they look exactly alike they both have ridiculously big tails they have the same exact pattern um bingo's really grown bingo really is he's like a long haired cat now by the way which i never it's so funny i tell aviv i mean i love him so much like he is my i literally could not love him more he's such a cool cat but i know that if if his hair had grown out when he was a young kitten i don't think we would have ever brought him home because that's not my kind of that's not my kind of cat i'm a tabby guy we've talked about that on the show before and it's so funny like and i guess you know we'd have a different cat who we love but like i just can't imagine not having my bingo you know but it is true that i would have been but if you would have known what a hairy little devil he was going to be yeah with a you might have not gotten him with a tail that you can see from space yeah but anyway so that's it we all grow we all live we all love we all learn but be sure if you if you get a chinchilla know that you're in for 20 years of learning laughing and loving and pick and poop off the floor outside Which they may have kicked out of their cage Which feels aggressive Yeah it seems like something that the prison do in um i'm also just imagining the inside of that woman's purse by the end of that flight from the air to good seattle to portland you know what that is that's a poo bag it is now that's what it became when a purse becomes a poo bag also a possible show title i don't like that either first becomes a poo bag i don't have a show title but i can't use either one that you've suggested so far they're both too blue well you'll come up with something you always do i always have All right, thanks, everybody. Are the Mariners playing right now? We're getting texts from the StewBot about Julio Rodriguez carrying a Triton. Is it a day game today? I didn't think so, but, yep, there it is. It's a day game, and, oh, my goodness, the Mariners aren't losing for once. How's the brew crew looking, Andrew? Did you hear Rick Riz? I don't know if you're listening to the broadcast, but Rick Riz used the term brew crew so much during the first game of the series. I kept laughing. Basically, south side of Chicago and saying brew crew are the two things that keep Rick Riz alive. And the Bronx. Oh, God, he loves here on the south side of Chicago. I have to literally skip the White Sox games because I'm going to hear him say, and Chicago, south side, like a thousand times. I mean, we shouldn't get into this now and certainly get into slander, but how much do you actually believe his stories about growing up playing sandlot baseball? I believe it. Yeah, you think so? I mean, he literally talks about, I mean, he's, the older he gets, the more idealized it sounds, and it sounds like he's more remembering the movie The Sandlot. Right. Well, when he says that we had a guy named Smalls, and we were always saying,

you're killing me, Smalls, that part does seem like a stretch to me. Yeah, yeah. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. We are going to be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you, so please do join us for that. In the meantime, have yourself a great Wednesday. Go Mariners, and please remember no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.