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Just try to be your normal humor self, okay? The guy you were before the tailspin. Do you remember that guy? People love that guy. And don't forget, your novel is coming out in the fall. Oh, really? How exciting. What's it called? Come here, Moss. Come here. Do not sabotage me. If you want to be a f***ing lightweight, then that's your call, but do not sabotage me. Oh, aye, aye, Captain. You got it. And if they want to drink Merlot, we're drinking Merlot. No, if anybody orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any Merlot! Okay, okay, relax, Miles. No Merlot. Do not drink too much. Do you hear me? I don't want you passing out or going to the dark side. No going to the dark side. Okay! Just bring your Xanax. T-B-T-M.

Guess what day it is?

guess what day it is it's friday friday gotta get down on friday everybody's looking forward

to the weekend this show really improves with age why because the jokes get better no because my hearing gets worse here i had a bottle of vodka he had a bottle of vodka but anyway we were drinking vodka and i was i was so happy that i found someone who would drink

vodka with me you know hey johnny oh hi danny what's wrong with mark he's cranky today

all right let's toss the ball around a lot of times what we like to tell people is that you have to let life bounce off of you yep right and so we are going to do just that literally

in the literal sense all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a friday edition of tbtl the show it just might be too beautiful to live my name is luke burbank i am your host peace and love peace and love coming to you from the hollywood broadcast center right here in portland oregon where it is it's still raining my goodness you know you like to get wet though but as you're hearing this is this is being posted on the internet i'm somewhere in the greater joshua tree california area looking for tumbleweeds california got sunshine so this rain is but a distant memory to me but um maybe for for all of you depending on where you are you might be experiencing it even right now and if that's the case i'm wishing you the absolute best we have got Speaking of the absolute best, we've got a great episode of TBTL for you here on day 3928 of this whole operation. Let the fun begin. We're bringing back our Friday Friendo segment.

You're like the coolest person I've ever met.

I guess we decided that now that we're going to be going independent on July 3rd, now that we are heading back out on our own, meaning Andrew and I are small business owners, we should really try to up the content sort of quality on the show and the best way for us to do that is to have someone on the program who's actually funny and interesting so we are going to bring the one the only Paula Poundstone on telling a story about a time when she hurt the feelings of Alan Rickman how dare you in fact Alan Rickman wrote about it in his diary which then someone published which doesn't feel totally cool but anyway paula poundstone will stop by in just a minute first though we got to say hi to this guy the longest running cobro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships he's got his whole weekend menu already planned out hey where's the freaking gabagool just as soon as he gets some gabagool he's andrew walsh he's joining me right now good morning my friend good morning luke i just got the first um

what do you call it when you write a book in is it galleys like the when you start to see your first like kind of review copies come back to the author i just saw i don't know if this applies to video but i just saw the first galleys of this week's hey dummies video which um despite a few technical issues that i ended up having unbeknownst to me at the time i think it might be worth people's time if they have been intrigued every time I say I have to go into my giant hedges to look for blackberry brambles to cut down. And so that's what I did in this week's video. I go into the hedges and we go hunting for some green sprouts of blackberries that you gotta nip in the bud. You gotta cut them down. We were talking about that on the show on the Wednesday.

Some serious wild thornberry stuff going on.

Wait, hold on. Oh, wait. No, I'm thinking of the Thorn Birds. That was a cartoon, right?

Starring Richard Chamberlain.

Wait, yours is or mine is? The Thorn Birds.

Wait, what is the comic strip I'm thinking of?

It's a cartoon. It was on Nickelodeon. The Wild Thornberries. They were a family of adventurers and naturalists. It's called the Wild Thornberries.

I didn't know that. Oh, who were you talking about the other day? You were talking about Jeter. Michael Jeter, an actor? Yes, Michael Jeter. Who was in the movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas briefly, but you kept on saying he was in a TV show, a CBS show. Evening Shade. Evening Shade. I was asking Genevieve about that because I was totally unfamiliar with the concept of evening shade, but got a great email from a listener whose name I don't have in front of me right now saying that they realized that they are going to a physical therapist who is Jeter's, like Michael Jeter's, I think, sister. How does that even come up in therapy? I'm trying to find this on the fly, but I guess there are framed photos of Michael Jeter on the wall that say something like, you know, to my sis, to my sister or something. Oh, I see, that's how you find out. Yeah, so that was kind of the first tell. And then the person said that their physical therapist looks, you can see a family resemblance, I believe. So I thought that was fascinating. Oh, wait, so you said physical therapist. Physical therapist. Yeah, what did I? Therapist therapist. Oh, yeah, did I maybe not? I thought I said that.

No, no, I'm sure you said, I think you said physical therapist. Yeah. I just heard, I only heard the word therapist, and I was just imagining in the kind of mental health space, if it would help or hurt to be sitting in a room where there was a frame poster from Michael Jeter going to, all my love to my sis, like, if that would put you in the state of mind as the person getting the mental health help. Like, my therapist in Bellingham just had a copy of a book, The Body Keeps the Score. Oh, right, yes. That I would stare at for many expensive hours. But, like, I don't think a picture of Michael Jeter would really put me in the right headspace. That being said, it would be just fine for a physical therapist, which, again, I do think was what you said initially. Yeah. Have I boughten you? Have I purchased you enough time to find the name of the person?

Yeah. And my apologies, by the way. When we record the show, I usually keep Bingo the Cat out of here. I forgot to do that today. And he is all over the place, pushing my microphone around. I don't know if it's as distracting to you as it is to me. My apologies if it is, but I'll try to deal with this. But the email came from a listener, Harrison, who says the waiting room of her office has several signed pictures of him addressed to sis. So that was my second clue after matching the last names when I oh, the last names was the first. Although, wouldn't you think Derek like that's the first Jeter that comes to mind, right? No. Well, but if it's not a picture of him, I guess I don't. The first clue was the last name Jeter The second clue was signed photos And then the third was When I finally met Dr. Jeter The family resemblance was pronounced So there you go But I was unfamiliar with Evening Shade As a show

Some of Burt Reynolds and Hal Holbrook's finest work

Oh really Now does Hal Holbrook's also have a mustache Because I'm noticing this is a heavily mustachioed crew Because doesn't Michael Jeter have a big red mustache or was it just the photo I saw yesterday?

It was the time, Andrew. And actually, by the way, it may not be Hal Holbrook. It might be... Maybe it's... Is it somebody named Harry Thomason, maybe? Somebody who looks... No? I was looking at a picture of the, like, you know... Like, if you were to buy the DVD box set of Evening Shade or something, and there's a guy on the cover who looks, for all the world, like Hal Holbrook to me, but he's not listed as one of the stars of Evening Shade. Now, what should I know about Hal Holbrook? Because that name rings a bell. Well, he was in All the President's Men, right?

wasn't he okay oh i'm sort of looking that i sort of recognize his face as i look at uh photos of him okay yeah but gee that's not a name i'd be able to just pull out of the air that's for dang

sure a former pro football player well i may have pulled the wrong name out so it's okay but you

did pull it out of the air though whether or not it's the right name that part did it came out of

somewhere sure maybe part of my body it also starred mary lou henner who's famous for having perfect recall you know this right oh charles durning was on it this is a this is a real

cavalcade of stars i don't know who charles derning is either but i feel like we just keep keep going slip and sliding down this path if i keep asking these questions but you are right

looks like ozzy davis was in it too oh ozzy davis okay yeah this is all based off of the photo from evening shade season one described as a former pro football player moves back to his arkansas childhood hometown to coach the high school football team now am i right that ozzy davis was

In the Cosby show As the grandfather He was the dad Yeah the grandfather Okay interesting well hey I'll give myself Ding ling ling Oh wow Is Jingo on your bell What's going on dude You can't ring yourself You don't get to ring your own bell For an Aussie day

reference the bell rejected me man that kind of hurt wow now i really have to get to the bottom

of this how why was hal holbrook why did he spend an uncredited season on the top it's definitely hal holbrook so why is he not listed on the cast of evening shade what happened why have we erased

him from we have to get into this this is now okay i gotta be honest with you when born cleveland ohio andrew oh a lot of presidents were born there too or you said cleveland specifically That's not true. But Ohio generally is the is the birthplace of a lot of U.S. presidents. I don't know if you knew that, but I like to just throw that around. I don't like to name them, though, because that gets into some show off territory. I was a little uncomfortable at the beginning of the show when you were kind of setting up. Well, I mean, I'm really excited to have Paula on the show. As you mentioned, I saw this thing on Twitter. I was like, what in the hell is the backstory on this? And so Paul is going to join us to explain in a little bit, which I'm very excited about. but I the way you sort of positioned it as like this is the reintroduction of a Friday friend I worry about expectations Luke I don't know if I got that from you or not but I worry about setting up expectations that now we're always going to have Friday friendos or as you put it even worse that the show is going to start getting what they call good I don't know if I'm ready to go out on that limb yet I mean this episode is going to be very good but beyond that Luke I just let's like kind of keep expectations in check let's under promise and over deliver have we ever ever done that in the history of the show

have we let me put it this way have we ever said we're gonna do something and then not done it

we're not said we're gonna not do something and then done it only not exactly have you ever dreamed that you

my point is i think that the listeners are very used to us declaring some sort of era beginning

and then forgetting which era we're in very quickly. So I do think there might be something that would be useful for us, Andrew, you and I as small business owners starting July 3rd to actually getting our crap together and putting some good shows out. Maybe I've obligated us to do better podcasts.

It would just be nice to kind of bring that up maybe in an internal memo or a meeting.

You were the one the other day who said, we were like, why don't we put this Paula interview on? You said, well, we could do the Friday Friendo, the return of the Friday Friendo. I'd forgotten that was even a segment. I'm not kidding. One and a half Friendo's. Hal Holbrook Evening Shade. Oh, yeah. What have we got to the bottom of it? This is what I really need to try to understand. Okay, so he is credited on certain places, in certain places, but IMDB, which is increasingly of little use unless you sign up for their stinking pro account which of course this is what happens with everything so remember when imdb started just how helpful it was just for knowing things i mean it was it was just such a resource and what i've noticed the more that i i was writing this profile of the actor juliette lewis lewis and um i was trying to get a few kind of the order of things in her career make sure i had it right which film uh you know came before what other film and it is so hard now to navigate imdb because they're trying to shunt you into buying a pro account and if you don't have a pro account they're making the relevant information

more and more difficult to locate is that what's because i i mean i definitely have felt that i mean over the course of many years now i but but even more so lately i completely more cutely lately i could not agree with you more luke imdv imdb has become less and less navigable it is really hard but i thought it was just like bad you know user interface you think it's actually you think that if if i buy it suddenly it'll be a lot easier and so i'm looking at top cast here but can you no longer look at all oh here it is all cast and crew but it's just buried it's

buried so deep it doesn't need to i think it's bad ux so that is part of it but i also think whenever something that used to be easy becomes less easy if you're not paying money i assume that it's sort of a little bit of trying to nudge you in the direction of doing something that will then profit the company it's also i mean they've just sold the entire most of the page is taken up with ads and just kludginess and i mean most of the time when you look up and maybe part of the problem was that juliette lewis has

has done a lot of things besides just acting. So you've got to make sure you're on the right tab because they'll list something the person might have been a producer of or the writer of or the director or whatever. But I feel like what IMDb used to be great for was just going, was this person in that thing? And you would just go to that person's page, you would scroll through, and if you saw it, they were in that thing. And if you didn't see it, they were not in that thing. And that just seems like that's become more difficult to do because of all of the other stuff. competing for the sort of visual real estate of imdb now i see that how holbrook is in like a

it looks like the majority of episodes he was in 94 episodes other people are this what i'm saying

if you were to google evening shade imdb and you were to go to uh db also by the way it's not an m it's a t internet movie database imdb now we're doing evening shade maybe that's a problem imdb is trying to do too much wait what do you wait i lost you there for a second imdb stands for what internet movie database yeah evening shade was not a movie oh i see what

you're saying i see it's television oh i couldn't i did not follow you there okay i see what you're saying yes but still that is what imdb does so if you go to evening it is television is moving

pictures luke full cast and crew i'm not going to dignify that if you go to dignify it dignify evening shade uh let's uh agree to agree oh my god i just saw this clip the other day of ollie g aka sasha baron cohen interviewing shaq uh-huh back in the day right like way back i mean back when he was doing ollie g my guess is that shaq was in on it because Shaq is like being very annoyed by Ali G but I know Shaq to be from watching him on television a lot he seems like an extremely affable person but it is so funny the way that Ali G let me just play you a little bit of it here the way that Ali G decides to uh troll I want to see if I can find the the longer file of course this is let's see okay I'm going to get to this part he's interviewing actually a variety of nba players i'm gonna try to get to the shack part what's amazing is that he basically keeps disagreeing with shack about what the name of the nba is which is just the funniest thing to like get into the weeds with sorry as i'm talking to you i'm also trying to scrub through this thing he just basically keeps every time shack will say it's the national basketball association he'll go agree to disagree or whatever like it's just he's just making shack Annoyed the whole time And it's really good

Do you know that Evening Shade is not Available on any streaming platform I've verified this

If there's somebody who would know that I feel like it would be you because that's Just exactly the kind of programming that I could See you and Vives well I've never

Even seen it it looks it looks A little corny to me but Because everybody like because everybody the Two people I talked to you and Genevieve seem to Like know this off the top of your head I Thought for sure that like oh this must be something that was like you know like enough in the zeitgeist at the time that it would be streaming now um but i'm not uh i i keep on it's not like i can't find it i keep landing on websites that say yes we will tell you where everything is streaming and right now evening shade is not streaming on

oh wow shit i don't think this is going to pay off because it's only one minute but this is on youtube saying ali g interviews shaquille o'neal i just i'm hoping this somehow includes the part where he doesn't say agree to disagree he says something else that's really funny and it's my new thing i'm going to start saying to you when i'm disagreeing with you just to be

annoying okay i see with none other than my main man basketball legend shaquille o'neal so tell me shaquille is it well hard to get into the nba or as it's better known the nationwide

basketball society the nba stands for the national basketball association all right i think it's a

Nationwide Basketball Society.

It's National Basketball Association. I should know. I've been dominating for 13 years. Don't tell me.

So you claim. So I know. Let's agree to degree. Let's agree to degree.

Speaking of Shaquille O'Neal, Luke, I am sending you a link to another YouTube video. What did you call it? YouTube?

I'm trying to say more things like the way my dad says. Home Depot. Trying to put the emphasis on the wrong syllable if I can, just for fun.

And Latte. I just sent you a link to my own YouTube page, my After These Messages podcast YouTube page. I uploaded a commercial, 1996. It's a Robitussin commercial, not featuring Shaquille O'Neal. He's not in it at all. There are photos of him, but it does feature his mom. Now, is Shaquille O'Neal's mom pretty famous on her own? Because I found her to be very winning in this commercial from 1996. There was, I will tell you this.

a big moment like in the pop culture particularly around sports where it was a lot of moms being in the commercials all of those those chunky soup ads oh for years were based on the idea that the mom of whomever was going to show up and remind them they need to eat their soup but then the mom would also be like playing free safety or something unexpected it's kind of an affordable way of

of using the player's name and aligning yourself with a celebrity now i sent you that link luke if you don't mind and with the audio up i would like you to watch that there's a something there's something that happens at the at the very very last shot and we were talking about this on after these messages recently i would like your opinion as to how it was achieved uh production are you

gonna play the audio from your end or do you want me to play the whole thing you can just play the

whole thing from your end we see shaquille o'neal's mom this is from a robotizen campaign called a Dr. Mom, and I think that ran for several years, like, you know, recommended by Dr. Mom or whatever. And so you see Shaquille O'Neal's mom, she's wandering around her house looking at photos of her son, holding up his baby shoes, which were still pretty large, and then at one point holding up one of his current 1996 tennis shoes. By the way, I looked it up. Do you know what size he wears? If I'm guessing, I would say probably like a 20? Two. 22. Very close. 22. Very close. Much closer than I guessed. So, okay, it's 30 seconds. Go ahead play on this, Luke, and then watch the last shot where she's in the driveway with a basketball.

My son Shaq is a big guy, and when he gets a cold, he gets a big cold. When he was little, well, he never really was little. Our doctor recommended Robitussin for his big cough. Now that he's all grown up, Robitussin makes a cold formula, too. These little liquid gels can take care of 7 feet 300 pounds of stuffiness, congestion, and coughs.

Now, if they only had a formula for free throws.

okay famously bad at free throws right yes um now trouble now um what she's doing do you want to describe what she's doing that last shot with the basketball yeah she's tossing it actually

very much in the style of what is now popular on tiktok and other places oh uh she's got her back to the basket and she flips the ball casually without looking at the hoop and of course it

swishes now isn't there's no cut in this shot so it's not like oh we see the long shot of her and then the camera cuts to a close-up of the rim it is all one shot so my question for you is how was this done a million times uh until they got it right or did they drop did they have a basketball suspended over that rim in the background off camera and then dropped it through

the ball leaves the frame which makes me think there's a cherry picker yeah that's right above shack's mom or right behind shack's mom and a person is catching the ball when she throws and this is no criticism of Shaq's mom's no basketball abilities in fact she looks pretty natural like that toss she does looks like a person who is comfortable playing basketball she may have played basketball to great acclaim in her own life but she's very comfortable on camera too generally speaking I'm surprised we haven't seen more of her that's what that's why I was asking

you I'm like is this somebody who's in front of cameras a lot she seems like I said before I don't know if I said winning or charming but like both of those things absolutely I've never seen this

commercial before but it's it's great and she's super likable um i do think that probably the ball goes out of the frame somebody catches it and then somebody else is also in a different cherry picker right above the rim uh and i'm just going to watch it one more time zapruder film style back and to the left grassy knoll now if they only had a formula for free throws but i'll tell you what the folks from teen wolf could have really taken a page from whatever production company put this Robitussin ad together.

Oh, we should mention that she turns into a teen wolf right as she throws the basket.

No more wolf. No more wolf. How did I leave that out? No, the angle is perfect. It's very, very convincing because the sight lines of this, if you will, are really well, well done. It looks for all the world like she's just made that shot because they dropped the ball in from the proper

angle as well. Yeah, that's what I mean. And I was going to Zapruder-ing, pardon me, that was not me not knowing that word. That was me trying to John Mulaney down a little bit of a burp. And I just made the most awful sound since the marsupial gurgle. My apologies. Oh, my goodness. I was Zapruder-ing this as well. And that angle, the angle of the ball going into the net is, you know, yeah, into the net, I guess. Is that it? into the hoop is what made me think like maybe this was real like it it goes the ball goes off the screen but it kind of needs to for that shot anyway otherwise it'd be way too wide of a shot right or a weird angle well i mean i would i would argue that it would be more compelling if like if they had

Any intention of just letting her shoot until she made one, I would guess that they would have decided on a wider shot so that you could see it and that there was no funny business. The way that it's framed makes me think that the plan was always to do that. But it's executed perfectly. I mean, down to the timing. It's like you can just imagine when the ball is leaving your hand, it's almost exactly the right amount of time before it goes through the rim just based on how quickly a basketball travels through the air.

like they've really this is really well handled exactly um i love the idea of someday maybe as a friday friendo we get shaquille o'neal on the show and we only ask him about whether or not his mom made that shot i'd also invite her on but i think it'd be funnier to invite somebody so famous on to only just like kind of rat hole on this one specific thing that he has no idea of and i feel

like it's interesting that you've now i've noticed before you've officially shifted from rabbit hole

to rat hole do you not like rabbit hole anymore i feel like there are different meanings i don't know that i'm doing really down the rabbit hole rabbit hole sort of sounds like oh i've gone on a okay i don't know that i'm right about this and i did i have not been doing this consciously but if i'm going to examine my words right now as i'm being asked to do um i would say that a rabbit hole implies oh i it's more of an kind of a research type of thing a light researchy thing Where it's like, boy, I started pulling on this thread about this old CBS sitcom called Evening Shade, which then led me to Michael Jeter, which then led me to Hal Holbrook, which then led me to this, which then like that sort of rabbit holing to me. One thing like you keep on pulling at a string, whereas rat holing, I think I mean it a more conversational sense of I am getting I'm getting stuck on something. I won't I won't let go of something. I'm a dog with a bone and it's not for the benefit of the conversation. It's actually hurting the conversation.

So in this case, Shaquille O'Neal is the rat, and we're putting him into a hole. The only way out of the hole is to answer the question, did your mother make that shot in the Robituss? I would never call him a rat.

I want that on the record right now. He's a very big man, Luke. I don't know if you know this. Oh, yes. Size 22 shoes.

I know that because every time I enter Office Depot, if I want to buy a chair, if I want to buy printer ink, I feel like Office Depot may be a front for whatever Shaquille O'Neal's businesses are because he's the spokesperson for like nine products that you buy in Office Depot currently.

I didn't know that, you know, I was picturing the Home Depot when you said this.

There's a Shaquille O'Neal chair, like, it's just a regular chair, but it's like, there's a big cutout of Shaq next to it, and you're like, okay, and then if you go to the Epson, all the Epson printers are, like, Shaquille O'Neal is the face of Epson printing, I mean, it's not the place I expected to see as much Shaquille O'Neal as I did. Get that money, I would like a Shaquille O'Neal cutout, are they, like, life-size, so if you stand up next to it, you only go to, like, it's like, I don't think life-size, that would be enormous, that'd be seven, maybe seven, two, His mom said seven foot even. I guess she would know. Yeah, but that was in 1996. He's a growing boy. Well, you know what? It's very possible. I mean, when did Shaquille... We'll get him in the rat hole. Shaquille O'Neal, when did you stop growing?

Welcome, by the way, to all of our new listeners who are interested in our new segment, Rat Hole-In with Luke and A.

Andrew, do you know what kind of expectation that sets up for the listeners? Do you feel that we can deliver on Rat Hole-In with Luke and A? I do. I do 7-1 so that's interesting did he grow another inch or did his mom not know his actual height in the commercial I think she's negging him right kind of just now I was so tempted to play some audio and I didn't for once Andrew for once I exercised probably some good judgment but the NBA halftime show and pregame and halftime whatever that's on TNT with It's like Shaquille O'Neal Ernie Johnson is the host Kenny The Jet Smith is on there And Charles Barkley of course

And those two those guys argue all the time Do they legitimately not like each other No no no I think they like each other

They like each other in this great To be honest with you I think that the TNT basketball coverage with those Four dudes up there is some of the best television going today and it's because they will call each other out if they don't agree with each other but not in a like gross skip bayless shannon sharp you know a pardon my take or whatever actually that's the name of a barstool sports show which is a pretty funny name pardon my take but you know like there are the shows where it's like all set up to just be like you know this is the no bs zone and we call it like we see it that's not what they do on the tnt show they just make fun of each other but in a in a way that you know is rooted in like a deep amount of love and respect for each other didn't they but that also allows them to totally disagree on things and also call each other out and also make fun of each other it is such good television particularly if you have the context of the nba over the last like 20 years i thought and again i am totally uninformed when it comes to the world of basketball so but i thought that several times videos have gone viral of those two literally threatening each other on the set as if they were going to legitimately fight you mean barkley and shack barkley and shack like as if they're as if there is a lot of lost love between them maybe that's wrong way of putting that as if like that they who is it that like as far as Barkley used to like literally threaten violence to people on the set like it went viral right I don't remember that

clip but what I would say is that Shaquille O'Neal doesn't take any crap from anyone so if he disagrees with Barkley he doesn't have a problem telling him and Barkley it's the same way but what I find so interesting about it is it's not theatrical but also they love each other like the clip that i didn't play because it would be impossible to follow what's going on is them talking about a guy named derrick white who is a uh very good player um and was having a really good game uh and they were doing the halftime analysis but derrick white has um hairdo that is well he's losing his hair a little bit now also charles barkley doesn't have a ton of hair either but they're trying to talk about the x's and o's of the game and how it's going for derrick white And all Shaq can do is just subtly sit over on the side with his hand on his own forehead about where Derek White's hairline is. And then they just proceed to totally derail the analysis of the of the game because they can't get over how silly they find this guy, Derek White's hair to be. And just the genuine mirth. Now, I guess if you're Derek White or his family, you could be like, hey, man, come on. That's why we don't talk about people this way anymore. That's a that's a reasonable pushback on it. But just there is something that is so pure about the energy between all four of these dudes that just it makes me so, so happy to watch it. It's so funny.

Just so that I at least don't feel totally gaslit, though, I do get a lot of hits, I think, from various times. Shaq threatens to beat Charles Barkley's ass live on TV. That's when we play the tape. That looks very long. So I want to hold off on that. I can maybe find this in a second. I know I've watched these before, too. Then there's another one. Watch Shaq threaten to punch Charles Barkley in the face. Let me see if I can find this one. That one has already been pulled off of YouTube. It was embedded in a video. But the thing is, like these here, let's let's back at it again.

And this time she threatens to beat. But see, here's what I'm saying, though.

I haven't watched these clips. I'm not trying to dig in. I'm not trying to rat hole myself here. But what I would say is it's possible that they lost their – that Shaq lost his cool or they lost their cool towards each other. It's totally possible. What I think would be a more likely reading of the situation, and I will tell you this. I haven't watched those clips, is that two people who have very kind of understated senses of humor and like to say things that are kind of explosive towards each other. Somebody – Shaq said something like, you come over here. I'm going to beat your ass or something. My guess would be that, not unlike when they were saying Kate McKinnon epically breaks character on SNL, I would want to hear the tape to try to interpret the tone, the real tone.

Mr. Sensitive. No, I know Mr. Sensitive. Do it again. I'm telling you right now. Don't you want to weigh in on this game? No, I don't want to weigh in. No. Don't do it. Don't do it, Shat. You know what I'm telling you. Mr. Sensitive. No, I ain't serious. I'm going to knock your ass out. I'm telling you right now. You can play with me if you want to. Supposed to be one, two, three Not one, two, back to one Dumbass

I mean, does this sound like a real threat of physical violence?

Oh, man Yo, dude Hey, so Chuck Who was the better Who was the better ask who played? Kenny, I ain't in the mood for just a second It's supposed to be one, two, three Not one, two, back to four I'm not saying no jokes, man That's him, man That's all him It's funny Say what? Let's get it. Get it. Why don't you go ahead and say what you're going to say? I'm going to throw this metal damn can at your ass.

Okay, he finally broke. He finally broke a little bit.

That was my hunch is that he probably was genuinely annoyed. But also, I think that there's a baseline of respect. And these guys seem like they also hang out when they're not there. So that that kind of like if I don't I can't think of a good example. But if two people who didn't like each other, somebody said that to somebody else, that would mean one kind of thing. But more like two people like come over here and say it again. I'll knock you out to me that read more as a kind of, you know, probably half of a joke.

Yeah. And I'm seeing I'm just kind of now I'm maybe now maybe I'm rabbit holing. I see. And you probably rabbit holing or rat holing. We're so we're rat it holing. Did they have a famous on-court fight? It says an infamous fight between Shaquille O'Neal and Charles Barkley.

in 1999 oh when they were playing when they were playing it looks like so maybe that there's a little bit of that that kind of comes along with them as well I mean I would say at this point

they're I again I'm not I didn't I don't think I knew that they specifically tussled on the court but I am so unsurprised because they were both kind of you know they were big they were big guys didn't take a lot of crap from each other from anyone Shaquille way bigger physically than Barkley, but Barkley was serious. I remember Barkley getting in a fight with Xavier McDaniels, a Sonic who threw Barkley like two rows. And I remember feeling very proud of the Sonics that they had a guy who could throw Barkley two rows. Like, Barkley was a way better player than Xavier McDaniel, but Xavier McDaniel famously, or at least the legend was, tossed Charles Barkley. Wow, yeah.

Anyway, when we get him on the show, we have to ask if his mom really made that shot, and if not, what was the production technique can you do you want do you want me to put in the call or are you do you have any

contacts there i will have to say i don't um so i would say if you want to just kind of what zaba search or something yeah find you don't just deal dear shaquille rashawn o'neill i'm laughing at my

own joke that i'm about to say because i think i think i'm going to name this episode outside the nba which is very much what i am actually that's not true i think i better put paul his name in

the title today what do you think oh right paula poundstone colon outside the nba she'll never come on again she'll also never see it i promise you there's a zero percent chance she's already her brain has already erased the entire conversation just out of self-protection so anyway uh speaking of which uh in a minute we're going to uh take a break and we're going to play this interview that we had with paula first though of course we need to thank our dazzling donors maestro

did i not send you the dazzling donors is that the long pause that i'm hearing here because i can send them to you if you'd like it could be no the long pause was i have my

mic muted in so we got two things going on here i don't think i sent them to you did i i don't know if you sent them number two remember all the way back on yesterday's program when i said i have changed mic position and i'm it's not muscle memory yet i was there's only four there's only four sliders andrew it couldn't take that long but i was talking to you and furiously trying to understand why i wasn't hearing myself in my own headphone oh because you were muted again oh i was I muted myself, and I couldn't figure out how to unmute myself, but also I don't have the name.

So it was really two things. That was like me trying to disarm my friend's home security system the other day, and suddenly I could not operate my phone fast enough as I'm frantically going back in my notes looking for their code to disarm it. By the way, while you wait for that email to come through, let me just say that I brought a prop for the Dazzling Donors today. I mean, I know that I know that we're not videotaping ourselves today or whatever the kids on TikTok call it. They call it videotaping themselves. But I will say I'll let you read the message. But our first donor today is Laura Talbert of Baltimore, Maryland. Beautiful Baltimore. I say beautiful because it seems beautiful to me. I've never been there. I'm dying to visit someday. I want to go to Camden Yards, and I have my Baltimore Orioles ball cap here, which I claim to be. So I had to take off my headphones for a second, so I don't know if you're talking to me. I think this is maybe the best hat in baseball, with the possible exception of the Brewers batting helmets. Oh, the Brew Crew? The Brew Crew. How are they looking this year? Let's not talk about it. Let's not rat hole on that. But I did want to wear my—I don't have a lot of occasions to wear my Orioles hat, so I'm wearing it right now. So you're wearing the Orioles hat. I just put it on. And I took off my headphones and I put it on. Because we're thanking dazzling donor Laura Talbert right now. In Baltimore, Maryland. Indeedly do. If I had a wire t-shirt, I'd be wearing that too.

Wow. So if we, in other words, if we have a donor, if we have a dazzling donor checking in from, like, let's say San Jose, will you put your Quakes hat on?

You have a good memory, man. Because I was going to say, whatever you're going to say is wrong unless it's San Jose. Because all I have are the San Jose Giants. I have their hat a bunch of Mariners hats And this Orioles hat Well I'm glad Andrew you're wearing

The appropriate Baseball wear for Laura Talbert who says this is my first Year dazzling with my dough and I'm not Sure what to say thanks to Andrew and Luke for their friendship and honesty It's one of those things that makes this show so great I hear their voices and stories more than almost Anyone else in my life we're talking about that On the show recently that like Other than maybe if you happen to live with someone or I gave me Maybe you work very closely with some other people. It's possible that our voices are the largest volume of talking that you hear that one might hear during a given week.

Yeah, which is, you know, with great power comes great responsibility. I if I think about that too much, I might get shy.

Yes, we can't have that, Andrew. We need to keep this needle moving for a minimum of about an hour a day. So if I have to rat hole you into the show, I will. um uh laura says um i get to hear your voices more than almost anyone else in my life next i like to tell people about storybook farm in vermont they're a non-profit dedicated to rescuing horses from slaughter they save horses of all ages and either give them a loving end to their life or adopt them to new loving families if you like horses and beautiful vermont scenery i don't know doesn't sound visually appealing laura good luck selling that ice cream popsicle to someone in a white fur coat beautiful vermont scenery and horses you can check them out on instagram at story brook farm at and story is s-t-o-r-e-y story brook farm uh to close it out i want to thank the dummies again and politely suggest that they do a small mid-Atlantic tour would that be where we just talk like Catherine Hepburn is that is that

how you describe her accent is it admitted yeah I think that's described as mid-Atlantic I could

see that yeah that's like yeah yeah I like that sound because I don't know anyone who talks that way but it was a big thing in movies for that kind of mid-Atlantic accent I like that accent yeah it was always I enjoy it in films but if I were to meet someone who had it I think I would start feeling very insecure very quickly because it's so more it's very erudite sort of it is and it's the kind of thing where you would say rather instead of rather yes and if anyone ever says like i mean i'd rather i'm always like whoa somebody graduated high school it's also like

also if you just use rather like that just as a sentence in and of itself like um say something

interesting luke um shaquille o'neal once wanted to be an undercover police officer rather that didn't really work never mind how is but wait what were you thinking i don't know isn't that

can you hear somebody just sort of saying that like somebody gives an opinion or something and it's a way of like saying maybe that's it maybe it's a more it's more a way of like affirming

what somebody just said rather you know what i just realized andrew rather than just record a regular length intro to the Paula Poundstone interview we have now gone almost well we've done two-thirds of a show we haven't even gotten to the thing we're dangling in because we had so much Shaquille O'Neal and I'm making it even worse by mentioning I want to expand on that previous comment Shaquille O'Neal really did at one point say his dream was to work in undercover law enforcement and I have always thought that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard the undercover part yes because the idea of shaquille o'neal trying to affect a drug by undercover is one of the greatest images you could ever imagine he just has a fake mustache on but he's still right exactly like anyway um back to laura's message um while uh uh on your way to luke's ancestral home in philadelphia maybe a stop in baltimore an orioles game and some amazing dive bars that could be needed that does sound god that sounds actually really wonderful now that you say it that way laura as chatbot gpt says come for the crabs stay for the chaos baltimore the only city with a sense of humor as twisted as its streets power out to the chatbot really say that i i mean probably not like that but this is what uh laura says the chatbot g i wonder if laura said hey chat bot uh can you write a a kind of um you know um a hype statement about the city of baltimore maybe it's a pretty come for the crab stay for the chaos baltimore the only city with a sense of humor as twisted as its streets i do like that that is actually pretty good i love my dad so much but we've you know when we're working on the house we always watch the shows, the BBC shows, particularly this one, Baptiste that we've been watching. I know that I'm in a glass house of emotion when it comes to repeating myself. I do it constantly on the show. Sometimes I'm aware of it, sometimes I'm not. But my dad at least one time during every episode of Baptiste will say this has more twists than a bag of pretzels.

And

every time he says it, it's brand new to him and then I said it to him the other night because I was low-key a little drunk and he laughed so hard at it's his own thing He was just delighted that I said it By the way, I had a feeling The reason I was a little quiet there Is I was Googling around This twisted of the streets thing This whole slogan This is something that I think a newspaper Maybe put into a chat GPT recently And so it's a little bit more widespread In Balmore Yeah

Well, like I said More twists than a bag of pretzels That's Baltimore, Maryland for you That's from Dad GPT Which we didn't already have Paula Poundstone colon outside the NPA I think dad GPT would be a pretty strong contender What if it's

Paula Poundstone colon dad GPT

Okay I'm fine with that Anyway Thank you Laura appreciate you so much Maestro

On your mark Get set Now ready Everybody rattle

We've also got to thank Jack Eckert Out there in Cambridge Massachusetts Now, it's interesting because, of course, we offer folks a chance to clarify their pronouns. And Jack lists, I believe, he or him. And Jack is, I think, just trying to indicate to us that, you know, he or him, that'll work. But the way it plays out is he slash him is fine.

He says he, him is fine. Yeah, you're right.

It sounds like Jack is being like, all right, him is fine. Okay, we get it, Jack. We get it. No cause to shout out here Though I did consider talking about The day I found out my dentist also Worked in adult entertainment Excuse me Jack Excuse you That's an interesting story But I'll save that for another time Jack have we mentioned we're trying to do better Hashtag content on the program That would be great content

I'll tell you what Jack send in that story Or you call it in that would be the best 206-414-8285 but if you don't want to you can email it in andrew at tbtl.net you tell that story and I will tell the story about the time my dental hygienist asked me if I wanted to sniff her armpits have I told you that story on the show I must have I don't remember it wasn't all that long ago and I find it hard to believe that okay then I don't think I wouldn't have forgotten that well I mean it was like since I've been doing this show is like three years ago or something maybe just pre pandemic so anyway I will I will retell that story Jack and I will have dental lofts

I think Jack's going to win, but I think that sniffing the armpits, that's pretty strong. I'd like to see those go head-to-head. So Jack says, this is more of a question than a comment. Given all the traveling Luke does, has he any hacks for dealing with time changes and jet lag? I'm going to Spain this spring and am really out of practice at this. Now, one thing is Jack might be in Spain right now.

I just realized that.

I mean, first of all, Jack, I hope to God that you're not listening to us in Spain. I hope you're listening to flamenco music and wandering the streets of old Spain and enjoying yourself. But if this does get to you in time, I wish I don't have a lot of great jet lag as it relates to international travel stuff, because I just don't I just haven't traveled internationally a lot of late, really or ever. But I just mean it's been a long time since I've been over to Europe or anything. I do remember it actually sort of being worse for me the last couple of times, like feeling real zombied out. I went to Hungary, I don't know, five, ten years ago. I would say the thing that I hear the recommendation is, particularly, like I said, for international stuff, is try to stay awake really is the trick. Try to just like—

You mean once you're there, like just don't give in to your internal clock?

Right. like when you get there i'm trying to remember what we did when we were in australia i think we got lucky because we were sort of flying in the middle of the night so it was actually morning when we got there and i had dozed a little bit on the plane so we i think we tried to just kind of stay in a relatively normal deal but if you uh if you land somewhere and i mean i guess the downside would be if you if you were to land at night but you weren't tired or something but just try to stay on your regular uh try to stay on the local schedule in other words if it's morning time if you can fight it stay up all day which will feel like you're pulling a graveyard shift but then you just got to try to get on the local time schedule as quickly as possible and the best way to do that is to just stay awake when it's light out and lie there quietly with your eyes closed when it's dark out do that and then you know your body should figure it out hopefully pretty quickly And get some of them trucker reds. Oh, sure. Uppers, downers, high-quality blotter acid, ether. Once you get into a trip to Spain, there's a tendency to push it as far as you can go, Jack. Indeed. All right. Well, either have fun on your trip or welcome back. Thank you both, Jack and Laura, for keeping TBTL going. All right. We've got to take a super quick break. But when we return from that...

We will play this conversation with Paula Poundstone talking about her run-in with the actor Alan Rickman and also the sort of weird side role that Billy Joel kind of played in the whole thing. We give a pretty good explanation, I think, on tape with Paula about what the deal is. Anything else that you want to say here, Andrew, before we leave and then come back in a taped segment?

No, I think just stick around. It's really good. And in all seriousness, this wasn't just sort of a, I don't know, let's just have Paula on. It was something that we saw her tweeting about where she said, does anybody know if it's true that Alan Rickman said I was super rude in his diary? And she's like, it did happen, but it's too long of a story to tell on Twitter. I'm like, well, we have a podcast. So thanks to you, we were able to get her on the show. And I'm very excited about this. We recorded this yesterday, and I don't think I've laughed this hard in quite some time.

it was uh it was really fun and i think you're all gonna really enjoy this so quick break and then back with more tbtl in a moment paula poundstone welcome to tbtl hey thanks so much hey so um andrew what did you see on twitter that had you texting me we have to talk to paula

poundstone okay i'm so excited to have you on the show paula because this has been bedeviling me for a couple of weeks now i and i know you know this but i'll set this up for the audience I saw on April 8th that you just tweeted, has anybody read Alan Rickman's book? Does he really say I was rude in it? So I'm like, hello, what is this? I see that one of your followers clears things up and says that this is a new book that's a random collection of diary entries from him. And it says this is the direct quote from the book that has been published posthumously. quote Paula Poundstone stand-up comedian comes over from a Billy Joel type table to inquire as to who I am breathtaking rudeness but then later the manager slides by to say that she's paid our bill I have so many questions starting with what is a Billy Joel type table but when was this where

was this what is this about I don't remember what year it was now okay so a little while ago I guess I must have told the story on my podcast, which caused one of our listeners to write in and say that Alan Rickman had a book and that this thing that I talked about was in the Alan Rickman book. Now, I don't have a copy of that book, and so I just got thinking about it one night. It was sort of bothering me one night, and I decided to turn to the all-knowing Twitter, hence I asked that question. So I don't – the way I understand it – and again, I haven't seen the book. The way I understand it – you're right. It was posthumously, and they even go to the trouble of saying that there's controversy over whether he really wanted that published or not, the book itself.

Yeah, as I've been telling people this story, Paula, or sort of repeating it, they're going, Wait, they published his diary? Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I think happened. So technically, Alan Rickman wrote about me in his diary. He may have that night on his cocktail napkin written Mrs. Alan Rickman a few times as well. I don't know what kind of.

Just to practice his handwriting?

Yeah, yeah, just to see what that would look like.

Just to try it on with little hearts.

Yeah, Mrs. Alan Rickman Poundstone. Mrs. Alan Rickman. Mrs. Alan Poundstone Rickman. Maybe that sort of thing. So, okay, so I don't know what year it is, but what I'm certain of is that you could find the year in Alan Rickman's diary entry. All right. So I was in New York working or something. I was there for some particular purpose. Must have been working because I never traveled for any other reason. But I visited some friends. Now, I'm reluctant to disclose the name of the friends because I'm not sure that it puts them in the best light. But they were very rich. Are they well-known people? Yes, very rich and very famous people. and uh does it rhyme with schmill and schmillery no no uh actress it was an actress and her and her husband and a very uh very very well-known actress and uh so it

we go out to dinner. I think I met them at their apartment. Now, I don't know my way around New York, and I have kind of a notorious problem with directions. I don't know whether or not those friends of mine knew that or not. I can't believe I never told them, but whether or not they cared, whether or not it ever registered with them, I can't get around by myself. I have no idea. But I did meet them at their apartment, and I then, let's see, I think we sat around and chit-chatted for a little while, and then we go to this Italian restaurant, which according to Ellen Rickman was in the east end or east something. I don't know. We go to this Italian restaurant, and we're sitting there for a few minutes when Billy Joel comes in with a group of friends and they sit at the table beside us and we can't help recognizing the fact that, you know, here's, you know, famous, you know, music star, Billy Joel. And then here's this really famous actress at my table. And so we're kind of like, we all kind of go, you know, oh, this is the place to be tonight, kind of kidding around, you know. But our two circular tables chat with one another over this funny coincidence. And as we're, you know, ordering food or eating or whatever, now into the restaurant walks Alan Rickman and a big party of people. Like they sat at like a long table. And now we're all like, oh, my gosh. You know, okay, so there's the person at this table with me, there's Billy Joel, and now look at that. And all of us go, you know, I don't know that guy's name. And we're all talking about what we've seen him in before.

Was he fresh off of Die Hard, or was this Harry Potter, Snape era?

No, it's pre-Harry Potter. This is all pre-Harry Potter. So they're talking about Die Hard. Well, I never saw Die Hard, but they're all, oh, yeah, yeah.

It doesn't seem like your kind of film, just knowing you.

No, I did finally watch it, and it's not a Christmas movie. But I said, oh, my gosh, he was so great in Sense and Sensibility, but I don't know his name either. And so, you know, two tables of people trying to figure out this guy's name. And I go, you know what? I'll just go ask him. and I jump up from the table and I'm probably a couple of steps away before, you know, before you know, people, certainly the couple that I was with was like, no, don't do that, don't, don't, no, don't and I was already sort of a couple of steps away and I'm like, it'll be fine you know, because if somebody came and asked me my name, I would tell them I didn't find that that challenging a thing

You would say, it's Alan Rickman

Alan Rickman so I now I'm aware that I have ostensibly, you know, broken a social code of some sort. It wouldn't matter now because of Trump. But back then. Let's call it.

Let's put that in the win category for Trump. That's the one silver lining, that norm being broken.

So. All right. So I wish I had just sat back down. I wish I had said, okay, all right. But instead, I sort of just awkwardly, you know, kind of stuck to my guns. I don't know why, but I did. So now, because now I'm sort of standing up in between where Alan Rickman's table is and where our table is, and I just felt mostly embarrassed. And so, all right, so now I walk over to Alan Rickman's table, and he sees me. He's talking, and there's a bunch of women with him, and there's probably some guys too, but I remember these women sitting right next to him. A couple of German terrorists. He's at the head of the table, and I stand there, assuming that he's going to, You know, knowing that I'm interrupting, right, assuming that he's going to stop and turn to me to figure out what I want. And, you know, I stand there and I just wait and he doesn't turn to me and he doesn't turn to me. And finally, you know, slowly and and people listening to this story, this was his prep for Snape. finally slowly he turns his head towards me and he's sitting down and i'm standing up

And he raises his eyes up to me, and I say, and now I'm sure I am beet red, right? Because now I'm just in the soup in terms of embarrassment. And I go, and I'm tripping over myself because I'm so nervous, and I wish I had never walked across the room. But I go, hi, I think I said I'm Paula Poundstone. I think I said, you know, I'm a stand-up comic. And I said, and I'm sitting over here with my friends, and I sort of gesticulate to where we, and I go, and we all are talking about the movies we've seen you in, but no one can remember your name. Oh, God. And I go, so I just, you know, it's driving us crazy. And now I realize that I've dug the hole deeper, right? I've said a terrible thing that we don't remember his name is clearly an awful thing to say. And he doesn't respond right away, and so I keep talking. So it's just getting worse. So now I'm trying to explain to him that I really – I'm not – whereas many people would know his name, I'm just not that well connected. So I go, you know, I hardly ever even go to the movies. I said, the last movie I saw was The English Patient, and the woman sitting beside him goes, he wasn't in The English Patient. And I said, I didn't think he was in The English Patient. I'm just pointing out that I don't go to the movies. And I said, no, he was in Sense and Sensibility. He was terrific. And right in the middle of my just babbling at this point, he turns and he goes, Alan Rickman. And I said, oh, okay, thank you. And now I just, you know, I walk with my head down, I'm sure, back to my table, and I sit down. Next to Meryl Streep. And the meal ends quickly at this point. I think my friends were so embarrassed that they just were like, so, you know, we finish up, and there's no like let's hang out a while let's you know let's hover at the table over a drink it was just like okay let's go and so we walk out of the restaurant and they say you know okay well good night and i'm left i don't know how to get back to my hotel um i don't know how to get anywhere And so, you know, I'm just a miserable failure. I feel awful. I'm totally embarrassed. I wish I had never done this. Well, now, as I try, I guess I walked them to their hotel, to their apartment. That's what it was. I walked to their apartment, but they didn't invite me up.

So now I'm trying to figure out how to get back to my hotel. And as I do so, I'm walking past that restaurant again. And I say to myself, you know what? And these, by the way, should be red flag words. I say to myself, I'm going to fix this. So I go back into the restaurant and I talk to the, there's like a bar, you know, there's like a bar area before you get to the dining room. So I talk to the bartender and I say, could I, you know, could I talk to the maitre d' or the manager or whatever? And she goes, yeah, and she calls the guy, you know, gets the guy to come over. And he's very sort of, he's like a character actor, this Mater D. He's kind of short. Who would play him in a movie? Oh, oh, oh. I'll tell you, I have to go look for the name of the actor on a poster. I can tell you exactly. It's Alan Rickman. Edwin. Edwin, who is Uncle Albert in Mary Poppins, would play him in the movies. So I say to him, I say, listen, I was in here earlier, and he says, yes. And I said, and I think I insulted one of your customers. And he went, oh, no. And I said, yeah. So I go, I'd like to pay for his meal. And so I give him my credit card. Or maybe I waited a little while and then – I don't recall that. But basically I give the maitre d' my credit card and I say, you know, don't bring them the bill. Bring the bill to me and, you know, and I'll pay for his meal. And here was the really nice part is that I guess I walked into the dining room and Billy Joel saw me. And And just to be, I don't know how well Billy Joel was following the story. I don't know if he gathered that I, you know, that I'd been dumped. But he said, Paula, sit with us. So I sit down with him, and he was telling really funny stories, and he was charming.

He's very self-deprecating, right?

I don't know. He told a really funny story about Paul McCartney coming to his house and how excited he was about Paul McCartney coming to his house. And then he remembered that, you know, on the back of the Stranger album, I think it is, he has, there's a tableau with like meat hanging the way it would in a deli, like on little ropes from the, apparently he had that in his house. and like in his kitchen or something and all of a sudden he remembers uh you know oh shit paul mccartney's coming and they're vegetarians uh him and linda and so he's like trying to hide all the hanging sausage it was it was a funny story i can't remember if he may have even had some plastic hanging sausage i can't remember any longer but anyway he was he was just couldn't have been more charming couldn't have been more kind you know for all i know he's an axe murderer in real life i don't know but in those few minutes that we spent together he just it was so sweet of him to to reach out to me there was zero reason for him to but it was very nice but he recognized

you like he he recognized you from your work sitting but no no he recognized me because i had been sitting you're sitting with glenn close i think he's gonna keep naming actors until we figure out who this is because you were sitting with sarah jessica parker and matthew broderick

Because when Linda Blair began to choke, I was the first one to reach over and heimlich her. And a lot of people wouldn't because of the green stuff. All right. So now, you know, so now I guess the guy, maybe the maitre d'e signal me or something, whatever. So now Billy Joel's meal is over and I step out of the room because I don't want him to see me paying for his meal. So I stepped out of the room, I signed the bill, and by the way, they were ordering, they didn't know I was going to pay, but they were ordering bottles of wine, and it was a big table of people. This was, you know, this was an expensive meal that I paid for.

What do you think? Are we talking five grand?

No, no, not that much. But certainly – no, no. But I would say – and this is – this might have been – I don't know. This might have been like 2017 maybe. I'm not certain about that. But it was – it might have been close to $1,000. I can't remember anymore. I can't remember anymore. But it would certainly be more nowadays. But so – all right. So I signed the thing, I paid for the thing, and now I guess I'm still standing outside the dining room, and the maitre d' comes back up to me. Oh, no, no, okay, I missed a part of the story. When I say I think I insulted a customer, and he was so befuddled by that, he said, oh, oh, no, and he said, who? Who? And I said, Alan Rickman. And he went, oh, no. And then he goes, who is Alan Rickman? Thus, supporting your original point. Right. I said, don't say that to him. But, you know, he's an actor, blah, blah, blah.

Paging Alan Rickman. Paging Alan Rickman.

I've paid for the bill. I'm ready to go. I'm leaving. And the minute he comes back up, I guess maybe to give him my credit card back or something, and he goes, Alan Rickman is so embarrassed. What? I don't know. Nothing I could do could dig myself out of this hole. So now he's embarrassed because you picked up the check? I'm assuming that's true. I don't know because I never spoke to the guy again. um but when i got back home to los angeles i got a call from my manager who said that she had gotten a call i believe i'm you know it was so long ago but i think i got that she got a call from alan rickman's manager saying that um if i was ever in town he would take me to mcdonald's Ha ha ha.

what that's so weird and i've never known you know first of all it was relayed through a couple of people so you you don't have tone of voice um but second of all because i'm a comic a lot of people feel the need to you know they always feel like they have to make jokes when they talk to me and sometimes it creates like a miscommunication because I'm a person who believes everything I hear. So I don't always realize that someone's kidding. So with that one, I've never known, was he trying to be insulting or was he trying to be funny? And I don't know the answer. Maybe I should someday find whoever was Alan Rickman's manager. But that was that. So years later, I tell this story on my podcast

Nobody listens to Paul Poundstone.

Yeah, and lo and behold.

Featuring Adam Felber.

Featuring Adam Felber, who is on every show, every episode, something we're very proud of. So, yeah, so I've never – it's furthered the Alan Rickman mystery. Someone did at one point send me an article about him that I think was literally titled, Who is Alan Rickman? I think that it turns out that this was something that happened, I think, to him often. again i would say pre-harry potter um you know that that a lot of times he's just one of those faces that you're like oh yeah i know that guy i'm i recognize that actor but i can't remember his name i think that's a thing that happened to him a lot which could have something to do with his prickly response um or it could just be that you know socially i was way out of line I accept that.

So what are you going to say, Andrew? Well, I was going to say I was surprised to hear that this was as late as 2017. When you first started telling this story, I assumed we were talking about like kind of the pre-smartphone era. Were you just tempted or – Well, this is a subject near and dear to Paula's heart, right? Your non-use of a cell phone.

Well, I can't remember if – I think it was – again, I could be screwing up the timeline here. But I wouldn't know how to use a thing to get me. But what about Sandra Bullock? She was there.

She was your dinner date, right? Sandy B.

Couldn't she have looked it up? Well, I'll tell you something. Betty Davis was no good.

What about Lillian Gish? What was her? How did she not know who Alan Rickman was? We're just going to get older and older with the actor references. You know, Louise Brooks was very quiet.

So let me just ask Paula. Alan Rickman. That's how he said it. Alan Rickman.

Wow. So he was in the moment pretty ticked off. Then when you heard – you've not read – you've not actually read the book slash diary. You've just seen it kind of on Twitter or something. Like does the tone of that make you think that he really was pretty ticked off?

It sounds like it. What did he say, breathtakingly rude? Yeah, it doesn't sound good. um and then when he says that i paid for the his his conclusion doesn't it is without emotion so i don't know that oh she paid for the meal well what does that mean uh some somewhere somebody tweeted me i think it was and said that he wouldn't allow But this had to be – this was after Harry Potter. He said – this person wrote me and said, well, Alan Rickman would not allow people to pay for his meals, and he would make an argument in two words. So when a waiter brought the check and there are a couple of people at the table and they're saying, no, I'll get it, no, I'll get it, he would make this argument in two words, and they were Harry Potter. you know because he he could you know i'm sure by that time and you know whoever tasked harry potter may have been in that restaurant that night because he may have had a lot to thank you for that he couldn't have been more snape like but you know unless unless he had come over to our table where I was

fitting and in a frock my head and taking my head and catherine hepburn's head and bang them together

i love the idea that for the years before harry potter when people tried to pay alan rickman would just go three words shoot the glass which is his iconic line from die hard when he figures out that bruce willis doesn't have shoes on he tells his henchman to shoot the glass because it

will get stuck in bruce willis's feet oh oh see he wasn't that nice a guy

oh hans gruber how do you feel about all this now though like i mean even knowing that this was like i mean to me it adds so much more i don't know intrigue emotion the fact that like this wasn't a book that he meant to have published that he like he just went home and in his private thoughts wrote this like that hits different i feel like well that's a good point yeah the idea that he

was he he couldn't sleep one night and he had to sit up and write paul punston is a doo-doo head paul punston is a doo-doo head over and over again yeah i don't i don't know i wish that there was a way of of knowing that the mcdonald's thing yeah yeah i mean i think it's a joke

i think that was a i think he meant that to be humorous i think there's a very big possibility

of that because otherwise i i don't know why the effort yes right yes exactly he would have just blown it off right i mean it's not like my manager bonnie burns by the way who's a terrific manager uh and and has we've been together for i think 20 29 years um so uh but it's not like you know it's not like you're calling william morris you know you like they would have had to gone to a lot of effort and this is pre-websites so you would have to go a lot of effort to get her number the santa monica white pages yeah yeah i just picture him pouring over those

onion skin i i definitely think it was an attempt at humor that then when it went through the game of telephone and when you imagine alan rickman really saying anything it has a certain kind of drollness that causes one to wonder yeah i think it's downright flirty of him frankly

oh the guy was after me calm down he came in that room you know he cast an eye towards me and then just he may have even emitted some sort of scent when he went by that is the reason why i had to get up and walk over he was by the way so good in sense and sensibility and yet i also enjoyed the english

patient that he wasn't in i'm also a little surprised that your well-known actor friends didn't know alan rickman the name because of just like actoriness well i think the fact that

But, you know, the fact that I was sitting with Barbara Stanwyck was even more insulting to Alan Rickman. The idea that it's one thing that this hack comic didn't know his name. Who cares? But the idea.

He looks over and sees Billy Joel, Joan Crawford, and Paula Poundstone are making, having fun at his expense.

Well, the idea that somebody that big in the show business didn't know who he was, I think. And it's not that they didn't know who he was. Everybody recognized him when he came in the room. We couldn't think of his name. And, you know, I don't know how well Alan Rickman's memory was holding up towards the end of his life. But, little buddy, I'll tell you, one of the things that happens is the old teeny-beety fills up.

And sometimes you can't think of the irony, though, Paula, that you didn't know his name, but possibly his last thought on this mortal coil was Paula Poundstone. It's kind of ironic.

You know, if they made a movie of the Alan Rickman story and his last words were Paula Poundstone, it would be the Citizen Kane. Right. You know You're his Rosebud His pet name for me was Rosebud Yeah

oh my gosh well that is an amazing story um again i choose to believe and i actually think this is true i think he was was touched by you picking up the check and then uh you know was trying to get back to you through various management people that he would like to buy you dinner so i i'm hoping that when as as the last breath left alan rickman's body and he said pound stone it was with affection i think so i think so too yeah i hope so you would say

i i mean i don't know anything about how he how he died but you know i wonder if he couldn't have maybe gone to the diary with an eraser done some some quick editing just before you know get your affairs in order he could have I made a little carrot over stand-up comic Paul Poundstone. Beautiful stand-up comic Paul Poundstone. Funny stand-up comic. Devoted stand-up comic.

Generous stand-up comic.

Yeah, nothing. Nothing left. Nary an adjective in the thing, except for what was it? Breathtakingly.

Let me ask you one last question here. Did he remember you in his estate planning? I think not.

Do you know, the first time I made a will... First time? And boy, dream on. Have you made subsequent wills?

Have you been revising your will?

I didn't have kids when I first made a will. And by the way, my son, when he was, I don't know, 10 years old or something, We're in the van one day, and he says, Mom, what do I get when you die? And I said, debt, honey, and I want you to have it. But when, okay, this reminded me of this because asking me if I was in his estate, I left, in my original will, I left my ping pong table to marry Tyler Moore Just because I was delighted, and I thought, if I'm on my deathbed, right, the idea that in a day or two, someone is going to knock on Mary Tyler Moore's door, some legal person, and say, I just, that would have made me smile before, you know, before my last breath. But unfortunately, I outlived her.

So did you know her or was this just going to be totally from left field?

No, it would be from left field. I did eventually meet her and know her. But at that point, when I did that, I had never met her before. I didn't know her.

That is a power move. Right. I mean, that's like if you if you leave somebody, even if they're famous, if you leave them something in your will, there is a certain amount of needing to execute it. Right. It's almost like a subpoena or something. Someone has to serve them with that ping pong tale, so to speak.

Yeah. Yeah. I just I loved the idea of, you know, and I don't I don't for a moment think she would have kept the table and played. who knows god if she did what a legacy

do you still have the table well oh yeah right you you still have folks over to play on the table right yeah nice yeah yeah who's the who's the the best famous person uh at ping pong uh

that you that you've played um okay the best that i ever played was uh and we weren't at a ping pong party we just played someplace in new york years ago was uh jonathan katz oh yeah of uh dr katz uh he was nationally ranked when he was 12 whoa and uh when i went into his apartment in new york and you open the door and the first thing you see is a framed blueprint of his paddle that's when i knew the game wasn't going to go so good for me i think that was the day i lost my will to live i don't recall seeing the ball i just it just would like i know i don't think i ever saw the ball it just would fly by so quickly did

Did you guys go to that, like, Susan Sarandon place? Didn't she own, like, a ping-pong place?

No, it wasn't there then. She does. Yeah, she has a place called Spin, or she did. What? Which is, by the way, the one in New York, I have to say.

is really fun and there's something about it that's just ridiculous um they have these you know good looking buff young men um that walk around the place because there's there's like dozens of tables and and they and it's you know it's nightclub lighting um you know and some sort of electro disco-y kind of not disco but you know electric beady music playing but so they have these fancy looking young men walking through and they all have these long sticks with like a net on the end and they're walking around picking up ping pong balls and there's just something so silly about it uh and then they have over one section where really good players are playing but for the most part it's just people you know you can rent some paddles rent a table and get you know order drinks like as if you're gambling or something um but i have to say it was really it was fun but when jonathan and i played it was it was years before any such club like that existed and then i played um he's jonathan was hands down the best player i've ever played but uh gary shandling used to play and he and i would play it sometimes and uh in fact he struck me in the nipple with a ball one and very painful and uh intentionally i was like i don't think it was intentional but it was an act of dominance i don't think so but i was like fuck that hurt and he said if you're not gonna wear your equipment you're gonna get hurt now i want to read his diary

going on in that exact moment trashed me all over dear diary today paula poundstone wasn't Hilarious, generous comedian Paula Poundstone was braless.

You know, they're useless devices to brassiere. Useless devices. It's a man's invention. There's zero reason. And people believe that there's some sort of health reason. There isn't just foolishness.

Is the back support thing just a canard as well?

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

So I've been wearing this for nothing?

Yeah, that's exactly my point, and I didn't know how to bring it up.

You saw me backstage at Wait, Wait when I was emerging from that fine green room we have at the Studebaker. That's the nicest theater we have in Chicago and also the most drab green room. Well, you know, green rooms aren't all they're cracked up to be anyways.

People get so excited about backstage, backstage. You know, there's a reason the backstage isn't out front. It's not made for show.

Paula, thank you so much for taking the time to regale us with that story.

And, you know, I love telling the Alan Rickman story.

Your show with Adam has more listeners than ours. But to the degree that you were able to set the record straight, at least to our tens of listeners, We hope that that was also, you know, cathartic for you.

Well, and I hope that my dozens of listeners get a chance to play your tens of listeners in, you know, in a game sometime, maybe start a league.

I wonder who would prevail. Do you and Adam and the crew, do you have a name for your fans of your show? We call ours the tens because we have literally tens of listeners.

um uh you know listeners themselves uh named themselves um which is uh people would come up to me and they'd go you know i listen to nobody listens to paul upon so and then i guess that makes me a nobody uh and uh so people started calling themselves nobodies um and i always say to them, you nobodies are somebodies to us. As you know from your tens, you know, love is love. I'm thrilled with the people who listen to our show. I have a bad feeling that I would do it anyways, but it's nice to know that somebody's listening. I'd appreciate it.

Where are you going this weekend, Paula? Where are you going to be playing?

I'm actually going nowhere this weekend. Do you know what I'm doing this weekend? Yeah, it's weird. This weekend I am harvesting worm waste. I have a worm farm.

At Zany Bones in Terre Haute, Indiana.

No, thank goodness. No, I have a worm farm. I have about five.

bins. I have about, I don't know, maybe 5,000 worms or so. And they, worm waste is really good for plants. And so I harvest the waste from the bins. And I sell it for, you can email me at paula.paulapoundphone.com. I sell it for $4 a pound plus shipping.

This was not the plug I saw you making today, Paula.

It's true. I have a worm farm. It's something that you can't tell when you just look at me, but I do. I have a worm farm.

Would you honestly sell some of the worm leavens to our listeners? Because I'm sure many people will email you.

Yes, tell them. Email me at paulafoundstone.com. And you know, Luke, I don't want to make it all promotion, but I also have the how the heck does she do it? What do we call it? Oh, the How the Heck Does She Do It package, which is for $30 plus shipping, I'll make you a personalized video showing you some portion of my worm farming process and introducing you to the worm that I name after you.

No.

And also send you a pound of worm waste.

it's like naming a star can you find that specific worm later who knows but you get a certificate that says there's a worm named after you at Paula Poundstone's house

no I put a name tag on them

it's like that scene in Scrooged where Bill Murray is like running the TV network and they can't get the antlers to stay on the mice that are playing reindeer and he goes, have you tried staples?

Do you hear that cat?

Yeah. Yes. What's the cat's name?

That's my cat Tonks. And by the way, I have a cat named Severus. It has nothing to do with, well, other than he did a really great job playing the role. But it's not.

We've got to let you go, but what are you at for cats right now? What are you down to? I have ten. Ten. Okay, so still a lot.

I had 16, but, you know, eventually the herd atrophies. Yeah, but yeah, I got 10, and that one, that's a Siamese that you could hear a second ago, who is, Siamese cats are a little bit like country western singers. They love to tell you their problems And if they can do it In a hallway where it echoes All the better Well it was so fun talking to you Thank you so much

Thank you so much I really appreciate you taking the time today Everybody go listen to Nobody listens to Paula Poundstone With Adam Felber And then also please When you emerge from your warmatorium Please go see Paula when she's out touring The highways and byways of this country And buy some dirt

Alright, take care guys Bye Paula, thank you Sure, bye

Did you cut that oh lord? I just cut off the oh lord At the end

Alright, let's do a little music for your week and i have to say though andrew that that was so much fun talking to paul and also i think you're right i think we have now set up an unrealistic expectation about a friday friendo i think friday friendo is canceled that's right welcome back goodbye uh all right uh before we get out of here uh let's play a couple songs what would you like

to play it i thought it was you might have heard me chuckle when you played that remix of the did you ever have a dream kid earlier with some Pixies music underneath it? Because I wanted to play a Pixies song for you today. This is not a new song. I usually use this segment to play for you something new that has come across my radar. But for some reason, I've been in a big Pixies mood recently. I think it started a couple of weeks ago. For some reason, I had a Frank Black solo song stuck in my head. And that got me thinking about the Pixies and just how much like there was a time in my life when basically all I listened to was the pixies and they've sort of slipped into the background for me for a while now and i went back and i was just listening to some of my favorite stuff and it's just it's just as the stew bot would say objectively perfect um i'm gonna play this song which i'm not gonna tell you why i thought of it during the show yesterday but it's similar to some

Something that you were talking about. This song is called Levitate Me. It's the last song off of Come On Pilgrim. The real heads know it.

Give me help. Give me help. You can. Levitate me. And take off the rings. Off them holes. Levitate me. Higher, please. Never take me If all in all is true

If all in all is true If all in all is true If all is true Won't you please run over me Won't you please run over me

I know that we've gone pretty long today But I want to give a little coda to me playing this song As I mentioned, this is the last song on the Come On Pilgrim I think it's technically an EP, although it's eight songs long Which was, I think, lesser known when it came out And then they kind of broke a little bit big on the indie scene With Surfer Rosa, which would come out later But as I was riding the train last weekend, listening to some old Pixies music and doing a little Googling around and reacquainting myself, I learned something that I didn't know. Come on, Pilgrim, this sort of extended EP, is only half of what they recorded in that session. And they called it, I guess it was in the underground for a while, the full like 16 song cassette was called the Purple Tapes or something. And I think there are versions of them Bopping around the internet somewhere But they are So this was a very early recording But it also sort of was when they wrote And recorded some early versions Of some songs that they would put on their later records I am dying to hear the purple tapes If anybody has a line on that I'll google around but let me know Because this is only half of one of my favorite records

I would be Shocked if there was anyone Who was so into the Pixies that they had rare or unreleased or hard to find audio content of them yeah right it doesn't seem like the type of thing don't see it happen person would get into not see it happen no i just mean that you know like i feel like you're in that's a good band for you to be putting that ask out on yeah i feel like they're the kind of band that when people get into them they really get into

them and they kind of become completists yes and i do know and i was reading they they kind of re-released it they released an app like 15 years ago and they put some of them on the app and so Like, I know that they've been and I think they might have released it under something called just the Pixies or something. But I was having trouble finding it on my phone on the train. I'm sure a deeper dive would get me there. But if anybody has it readily available, send it to me because it's not on the it's not on the streaming platforms. But, yeah, I've just for some reason just completely over the weekend rekindled my love. A small a small spark became a large flame again for the Pixies.

Nice. Yeah, there must be some anniversary. because I've been seeing tiktokery about them of late uh which I think was related to like you know 40 years ago today maybe not 40 but 20 years ago today this was released or something you know stuff like that maybe from their official account I think they're coming up on some pretty big kind of round number milestones they're still making records that's what I didn't realize

also while I was going to the ball game I listened to a record that they released last year um which I didn't listen to it all the way through but I did not realize that they were still unfortunately Kim is gone um but still interesting to listen to I just realized something Andrew the song that

I'd like to play this week is from a singer who who plays under the name Rosie Plain um I think Rosie is her actual first name I think Plain is uh kind of a stage name maybe and um I this was of course sent to me the the album is called Prize this was sent to me by my daughter Adelaide who Is my conduit My connection to any and all Kind of cool music at this point If it ever happens to my life it's because my daughter Sent me a message going you should listen to this Which she did basically with this new Rosie Plain record But I'm looking around Looking around for more info on Rosie Plain Rosie Plain is a member of This Is The Kit Didn't you play This Is The Kit on our show Isn't that a music free weekend you've played before

I don't think so Maybe it was a listener and I'm not remembering it

But that name doesn't doesn't because that name rings a bell for me, but not because I know much about them, but because I think that they I think this is the kit came up on the show before as a music for your weekend, possibly a listener suggestion. K.I.T. This is the K.I.T. This is the kit. Huh. I'm not finding anything in my archives, but well, this is the Rosie Plane and this is off of Rosie's new album.

Called Prize and the song is called Complicated and it's just a this whole album is Really beautiful it's spare It's it's it's kind of a vibe I don't Know if it's a spring vibe but it's a vibe that I'm Into since spring is never coming to The Pacific Northwest so Let's play that

Thank you. It needed eating, so you ate it, you ate it, now it's revealing, revealing, revealing itself. so there you go that's a little bit of rosy plane i like that a lot yeah it's real dreamy

it reminds me of a song by somebody i don't know if i'm saying this name correctly aldous harding which was i don't know oh sure oh you know aldous harding because i only know i know

Aldous Harding because of my daughter.

Oh, interesting. And for some reason.

Wiseblood, Aldous Harding, Rosie Plain. It's all part of a, I don't know, a wave. I don't know what wave it is, but it's part of a wave.

Yeah, so it is part of a scene then. I did not realize that, but there was some song that came across my radar. And the reason that it stands out to me is at the very beginning of the pandemic. And I remember just listening to the song called The Barrel over and over and over again, along with something else that was sort of like Halsey or somebody was kind of similar. And I had a couple of these songs and they're very produced in this way. And like you say, it's very much a vibe that I'm very into.

That Aldous Harding song, I remember I was in Vegas. I was recording that episode of Brendan Newnham's show, his kind of travel show podcast. And it was literally like, I don't know, five days before the world shut down. and i was listening to that aldous harding song while i was jogging around the like let's just say maybe less glitzy parts of las vegas the barrel that particular song that i mentioned

i believe so really see i did not know that that was well well known or well listened to well it's

the number one song listed which i don't know okay i mean i can try to play it here for a quick second and just think if this is here i'm playing it yeah yeah that's the song the video

I think this was the one Amazing, you gotta watch to the end

I love this song

Yeah, this is the song

And I just remember, yeah, like

Listening to this of all things And then listening also to this It was this playlist that had like Wise Blood on it, Aldous Harding There may have been some Rosie playing At the back of it And I didn't know the name Of the person singing But just like It was this kind of bizarre juxtaposition of what i was hearing in my ears what i was seeing around me in the sort of you know like i said the back side of las vegas and the fact that there's this pandemic that's like kind of of course none of us knew at that moment what was going to happen but there was this sort of gathering uncertainty around it and kind of like feeling like we're getting away with something in vegas because because you know we were able to do the trip and the casinos are full and we're interviewing people and no one's wearing a mask yet but then everything was about to shut down and change like it was just a um it was a it was an interesting time oh my gosh i'm looking at my

playlist from may of 2020 so that's kind of early pandemic ish right like about a month month and a half two months after the the news broke and everything changed and this is around the time i think i started making and keeping playlists like making little record covers for them on spotify and then sharing them on social or whatever and i thought someday this will be a snapshot of these Months as I'm going through them and oh my God I am just reading the names Of these songs this is also when we were obsessed With Farewell Transmission The Kevin Morby cover of that With Waxahachie That you introduced to me Was that the original yeah

I got Big Thief on here. And for me, this is all like sitting out on the porch with Genevieve, like playing cards, listening to these like, you know, kind of these songs that are not super upbeat. Right. Snow is falling in Manhattan by Purple Mountains. I remember like around this time, like literally sitting on my roof and bawling, finding out that he had died and like listening to that. Like this whole playlist, if I ever want to just like really just crawl under the covers, man, May 2020 waiting for me.

that's well i put that behind some glass and then i just wait for a real emergency before you break

that glass oh my god though this is all good shit okay sorry we gotta get out if you're gonna do it

though this is the time because the weather as i look outside it's the weather still sucks like you can't i feel like that's not gonna work it's not gonna work on a friday when it's 80 no and and and it's 3 p.m that's when you got to get gold sounds by pavement going that's so i was

listening a little of that this weekend too i think there's nothing better than listening to

gold sounds on a sunny friday when you've knocked off work but it's still you have maximum amount of weekends still in front of you yeah that's uh that's about as as good as it gets so all right our listener suggestion this is convenient it's coming from our dear friend uh friend of the show lynn um now what helps is that i received this message from lynn through uh an email email that's not my tbtl email but that was good because when i was pulling the music for your weekend uh the

email was down you had that email was down yeah go daddy is down huh you and i both noted that i'm

sure it's up and running again by the time people hear this but at the time i literally was like what am i going to do for music for your weekend well i had an email from lynn uh through a different email address yes lynn has special privileges you all right that's what happens when you maintain an audio archive of the show for many years yeah i think he's earned it uh Lynn says, hey, ever since No-No Boy made their appearance on Livewire, I've been listening to a lot of their songs. Now, I'll try to keep this brief, but No-No Boy is this music and art project of a guy named Julian Saperidi, who is an academic and also a musician. And he went about going to locations where Japanese-Americans were interned and kind of creating music out of things like banging on a pipe there and creating rhythm and researching the stories of people who were interned by the government of this country. And anyway, so that's kind of the project of No-No Boy. although I really love Boat People and Tell Hanoi I Love Her Lynn says the live wire performances of both songs really moved me but those may not be a great music for your weekend choice instead I would love to recommend the best god damn band in Wyoming from No No Boy's album 1975 so that's what we're going to go out with a little No No Boy this is off of the album 1975 and the song is the best god damn band in Wyoming As suggested by our pal Lynn so that's going to do it

What's that

Lynn just wanted to hear you swear It worked How many F's are we up to this episode And have you beeped them all out

I'm beeping things that aren't even Swears anymore Just throwing beeps all over the place

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And good luck to all. We'll see you on the next one. Some girlfriends to cheer her on, their club was called the Roddills. Mom said if you keep up with school, Joy, you can't sing. Georgie Kawa, Oji Nisei, he tore up the coast and even played Japan. Before the war, they ripped up the...

Let me just welcome you to the show, and then we'll sort of start talking about that. Tell me how many, because do you want the long version or the short version?

I think the long version, right, Luke? Long, please. Yeah. What have we done? Power out.