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guess what day it is guess what day it is it's friday friday gotta get down on friday everybody's looking forward to the weekend are you taking my duplication investigation seriously are you disrespecting my duplication investigation jump man jump man them boys up to something uh i think i need some robitussin we've got a basket full of bread water and now all we need is some great conversation.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Gotta do it again, right now. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Get out of here, you flies. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where we are looking at a warm day. It's gonna be in the 90s. It's gonna be very hot, It's going to be very uncomfortable for everybody. And if you've noticed a certain consistency to the audio drops here at the top of the program, it's because Jack Rebney has passed away at age 93. Winnebago man.

I don't want any more bullshit any time during the day from anyone. That includes me.

Jack Rebney, who was making a sort of instructional video for the Winnebago company. So if you were to buy a certain model of their recreational vehicle and you wanted to know how all of the bells and whistles worked, you'd get this videotape and you'd put it in. Well, the making of that video starring one Jack Rebney is a pretty epic thing. Anyway, Jack Rebney, rest in peace. Again, age 93, has provided us with great audio for this program for many, many years. We are 3,943 episodes old today. That's the one where... Let the fun begin. ...finding ourselves out on this Friday. And there is some pizza-related technology coming to Seattle...

Sometimes you've got to stop and smell the pizza.

...that I am very envious of for a couple of reasons that we'll talk about. Also, I heard a radio story on Oregon Public Broadcasting yesterday that I thought was really, really good. We're getting medium play on three independent radio stations in Central Europe. Play you some clips of it coming up, plus music for your weekend on this Friday. And we'll talk to this guy, the longest-running Cobra of the show.

I get some goddamn diuretic when I sit here, and my mouth just never stops.

He may be as best known for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, their splendor, and all those riggings. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I hacked the hell out of my hedges yesterday. I may have made a huge mistake. Oh, no. What happened? You know I have these hedges all the way around our house. It's our favorite part of the house. It offers a lot of privacy. I'm trying to be a little bit more British. Keep calm and chive on, Luke. Oh, God, that's so youthful. I spent the entire time you were talking in your introduction trying to figure out how Keep Calm and Carry On turned into Keep Calm and Chive On, and I can't get a good answer. Some people are giving historic answers online, but I don't believe them. It sounds like bullshit to me. Something like an onion shortage that I don't believe.

To bring the listeners in, right before the show, you and I were discussing various things. And for whatever reason I was trying to say whatever the original one is Keep Calm and Carry On But I couldn't remember what it was I said I don't know Carry On Whatever that British thing is And you go Chive On And I was like I think that Chive I don't know And then we looked it up And then the description that you found Of how Keep Calm and Carry On Which probably is like a World War I or II thing That was like to basically just tell the Brits to muscle up or whatever Then you read the description of what Keep Calm and Chive On was And it was something like a youthful, humorous spin. But you still haven't figured out how that evolved.

No, how it went.

from carry on to chive on i still can't figure that out and i found some answers on quora that i'm not even going to dignify because i feel like i feel like people are having a are having a go is that also having a laugh a go would work a laugh would get would work taking the piss so anyway i still don't have an answer on that i honestly didn't this is one of those things where i was googling several different things um some music for your weekend stuff some chive on stuff while you were talking, and then suddenly you introduced me, and I realized I have to say something, and the first thing I thought of was my hedges, which... Yeah, what happened? I have... I think they're... I want to say not Elderwood. I can't remember the name of the hedges. Very classic kind of square-cut hedges that we have around our house. Not Boxwood, right? Yeah, you know what? Is it Boxwood? You've seen them. I'm going to Google that while you keep talking. I'll do a little research. Hey, Luke, I also lost my internet. I think the internet was like, dude, stop Googling while Luke is talking. We're just going to cut the hose. I've got no internet now.

But you can still talk to me. You can still hear me.

No, I can't. Oh, yes, that's a good point. I only am missing it on one computer.

Because we're using the internet to talk to each other.

You know what I thought you were doing there? I thought you were saying, Andrew, don't worry about the fact that you don't have the internet. Just talk to me, buddy. I honestly thought that's what you were saying. Andrew, stay with me.

Andrew, keep calm and chive on. I honestly thought that's what you were doing. Okay, I'm right here.

Come towards my voice. I'm so flipping scattered today. I honestly thought you were not chiving me, but chiding me and saying, Andrew, you can still do this. You can still talk to me. Don't worry about Googling every word you're saying. My God, what a mess. What a mess I am.

I don't think it's a boxwood, by the way, only because I'm looking at boxwood, and your Envives' hedge is so much more robust than these boxwoods. I think you're in a different category, because that thing is a – that's quite the living organism that you have surrounding your home.

Yeah. Yeah, and hey, Genevieve, you're not out there, are you? My fact-checking cuz is gone. My internet is gone. My human internet is gone. Anyway, whatever they are, they're pretty classic-looking kind of hedges. And again, they take up a big chunk of the real estate, go all the way around the small little plot of land we have here in the house. But there's one part of it where kind of those hedges meet the driveway where I don't know if somebody planted a little bush that got out of control, if some bird was flying overhead and a seedling fell from its beak 30 years ago or what happened? I would love to be there for that moment. Oh, God. Crows have been leaving us some nasty stuff on our fences, which I think they think it's a gift to us. Yeah, like, well, worse than just dead animals. Like, I had some, whatever, I had fur. I think I had a spine and that was about something that they probably vomited up. I think that they carry these little trinkets around and bring them as gifts because they brought a fish to our birdbath one time, like almost all of a fish. And yeah, they're very interesting. They brought a bunch of these little slugs and sent we I know I sound like a crazy person, but I'm quite sure it's these crows that live in our neighborhood. And they bring us these weird little gifts and leave them. And they left a real season one of true detective style gift on the carcosa. Yes. It was unpleasant on our fence. No. But anyway. So the place where these hedges that we love meet our driveway, there is this other plant that has been growing up through them. And it's much it's a it's a it's a kind of a woody bush as well. And I last season, I just sort of trimmed it with the rest of the hedge and just said, well, these two grow together in existence now and I'll never be able to pull them apart. And that's fine. But the one the the the foreign plant, I'll call it, grows more quickly than the other stuff. And so yesterday I was pulling in, I was like, oh, I just hate seeing that thing, like poking out and kind of ruining the vibe of our nice square hedge or whatever. So I said, well, I'll just see if I can just hack at it. So I started going underneath at the kind of where at the base of the plant, which I could barely get to started trying to pull it out there. It didn't really work. Is it really it's I say it is a it is a kind of a woody plant, but it's vine like as well. And that it really wrapped itself around everything. Like you just really see nature working. Like it really, it said someday some fat guy is going to try to cut me down and I need to protect myself by winding myself around myself and around these hedges that I'm taking over.

Do you understand how it is that if we stop attending to the like sort of buildings of modernity, it takes nature a good 20 years before it just got it in a stranglehold?

Yeah, exactly. It's just like, oh, and it is kind of, I do like thinking about that, actually, just seeing how nature can almost erase the sins of man. This was a parking lot Now it's all covered with flowers got it chive on my man um so anyway what i started doing is i got a bit obsessive as you could as you might expect knowing me at all and now so i started like hacking at what again i'm calling sort of the foreign plant in there and the exact corner of our hedges right where our little driveway is we don't really use a driveway on the side street and um and now it looks like a dragon came down and just took a big bite out of our hedges because there's very little it was all this plant and it still is i only probably got like an eighth of it and i realized like i got to stop doing this i'm just destroying our hedges and there's not enough of the real plant to take

over for it got it yeah has we've seen it yes yes but she's she's pretty chill about it she was out

at a sewing class yesterday and she and i was already this was a nice thing now you have a i know that you live out in a more rural place when you're doing work on your washington home and i know you can like kind of create a big bonfire i can't do that here in seattle but i do have one of those great solo stoves that burns really hot and so i was able to just take all of these trimmings and then just spend the next i went to bed really late last night because i just spent like probably three hours chopping at this bush erroneously and then probably four hours burning at all there's no trace of anything that i cut off of this yesterday what are you gonna

you said but unfortunately when you reduce the invasive species um you're also reducing the overall volume of of what the hedge is because in that area it's mostly the invasive species so what what's the long-term plan for this look away

that's mostly it just enjoy the mirror and literally i'm getting through this by saying I'm going to enjoy the miracle of nature by watching this slowly. I think that as the sun and the other one will fill in, they'll both I think I think they'll both start to bud again. Like these things look really green and bushy. But when you crawl into them, you realize all the greenery is really just on the edges and it's all just kind of a woody tangle inside these bushes. So I think now that I've exposed these other, you know, I've exposed the internal bows, for lack of a better word, to the elements, I think that it'll start to green up. It'll grow out a little bit. I don't think in a long time will it ever be square again the way it was, but I'm okay with that. I just kind of want to watch the process now.

Do you think, like, I feel like I do this kind of stuff all the time where, and I don't want to make any judgments, But do you feel like it looks better now or worse than when you started? Like, was the issue of the invasive species growing more quickly than the larger hedge? Was that more visually kind of problematic than what you're now looking at?

This is the first thing that I've done in the house that was maybe somewhat satisfying while I was hacking at it. But I made it objectively worse. It looks, like I said, like some.

But you think you have hope that it will grow back out in a way where it won't be so much invasive species and it will look OK again.

I think I'm screwed. I think that I don't think there's a way. I mean, Genevieve said we could actually talk to maybe an arborist or something. Maybe our friend Karen, who listens to the show, I could talk to her about it. But like, I just think that I probably made a mistake by trying to solve the problem the way I was. And even while I was doing it, I sort of thought to myself, this isn't right. I keep cutting at this stuff, but there's just more and more and more of it. And like, I just at some point, I kind of knew I was making a mess of this. But I remembered this thing that my neighbor said to me when we owned our first house. And I was, you know, I was so young. We sort of stumbled into that house in New Hampshire. And I remember there were a bunch of like kind of like weeds or whatever around the back part of our yard. Or I can't remember exactly what the situation was. But we had like kind of the ideal New England neighbor, kind of an older guy who lived in the neighborhood his entire life. But he wasn't cranky. He was very nice. He was a very friendly, good neighbor. He'd snowplow or he'd snowblow our driveway for us. He was a guy probably in his 70s when we lived there. But I just remember kind of talking to him over the fence and sort of gesturing towards something I didn't like in my yard. And he said, well, then just pull it out. It's your yard now. And I remember just being like, it was this moment where I was like, that's right. I can just do whatever I want. And first of all, shit grows back. It does. And so I was hacking at this stuff yesterday, thinking of Dave Burnham and just being like, you know what? this is my yard now let me just see what happens and so yeah i don't think that's a good approach

that's good that you're not being too precious about it yeah i think this is just a box by the

way i think it's just a box hedge that's what i'm saying yeah which is what i wanted to say but it seemed too simplistic but anyway it'll grow back it'll be a little bit weird it'll be maybe it'll be a little scar for a while um but i'll always have the memory of the night that i stayed up until two in the morning and the burning the burning yes and the burning and then this morning I took a shower and I could feel every little tiny cut and scratch.

in my body and because of course I was just wearing shorts and a t-shirt while I was digging through the oh by the way whatever plant I was pulling out has uh thorns that are they're not it's not like rose thorns but again it's like nature just saying like well I'm gonna we're gonna protect from the future homeowners right like these like I'm gonna say like half inch to inch long like spikes on it so I'm all you wearing gloves no oh god that sounds I was trying I was being careful, sort of.

It's funny because for all of the project on this other house that I'm working on, it's slightly stalling out, as it does. It'll stall for like two months, and then it'll kind of like get active again. We're at this point where in the future TBTL studio, I need to put this ceiling in, but it's going to be too hard for me to do it. It's like using this kind of interlocking pine, tongue-and-groove pine. So I'm waiting for them to get that installed because then we can paint it and then it's like that place is basically like ready to start putting, you know, a sink in and like it'll be usable and livable or whatever. But what I don't have right now, what I'm jealous is I don't have any debris because I keep burning all the debris. So like I'm at a I got a zero debris situation. I'm going out there after the show today to do some lawn mowing. Let's be honest, some Modelo drinking and some lawn mowing. and uh uh i um i was just thinking god it would be cool if i had some stuff to burn i just really did not have a pyro phase as a kid but as an adult there's almost nothing i enjoy more than just putting a big old fire together out there but i am currently i have burned through all of the stuff that is burnable so i guess we'll have to wait till more project happens and then therefore more waste is created or get some pallets oh my god can i tell you a funny story quickly it's not funny story but can i tell you about my could i tell you so without giving too much away you and i both know andrew that there are some conversations about trying to get some some of the stuff like literal swag from uh from our bosses at american public media that um you know is related to sort of old tb telethons and we don't really want to like we don't want to waste uh that stuff but also there's a lot of it it's pretty big and so one of the thoughts was like having it delivered to the northwest and maybe have it dropped off on a pallet at my parents house and i was worried that they were gonna because they have all this land and i was worried that they were gonna say no and i was on the phone with my mom and dad and i said would you mind it's going to be on pallets and my they were like fine my mom was like can we keep the pallets yeah like for firewood and i was like yeah mom you can definitely keep my mom's my mom's only request was can we keep the pallets So it's like, yeah, mom, absolutely. Because when I was a kid. You should have thought about it, though, like to make it really like a deal. Like, I know, you know what? I just gave it up right away. That's like negotiating one-on-one. I should have said half a pallet, mom. I should have started with so that I would have somewhere to go with it. Instead of just being like, yeah, have the pallets. So when I was a kid.

That was one of my favorite lines from the jerk, sorry, where he says, it's okay. You send me a postcard someday. A postcard, eh? Sorry.

Was that Mr. Hartoonian? Yeah. jackie mason yeah anyway sorry you were a kid no uh it's when i was a kid you know we lived in this little rental house on 77th street in seattle and we had a wood stove and we heated because my parents were so parsimonious we heated the house all winter with this wood stove like it was just a given and but we didn't live in the country and my parents weren't gonna buy like firewood from some guy on the side of the road who was selling it for a hundred dollars a cord we heated our house every winter with old pallets that my dad would get you know pick up from whatever i don't know job sites or stores bring them home and then break them down in the garage and i would help him do this and then we would just stack all this pallet wood and so my mom's brain still thinks of that as free firewood which it technically is but it's a lot it's a very labor intensive free firewood anyway the point is uh i lost the pallets in the negotiation andrew so i'm sorry about that

There are some pallets behind the pho restaurant I go to just over the Seattle border into Shoreline at 45th. I'll see if I can sweeten the deal a little bit.

You know, my dad actually did this kind of crazy thing with I didn't realize you could do this. But basically, like they wanted in their kitchen, they wanted to have a little like almost like rolling island. not you know like an island you could sit around but just kind of like a countertop you know butcher block yep that you could do stuff on that would have a it would be a cabinet and then you know there'd be a garbage can underneath it and it would be on casters and my dad built this thing and i was like hey dad this turned out really nice it's pretty cool oh what kind of wood did you use and he goes pallets he used pallet wood somehow he basically like ripped it down and then And like our woodworking listeners will.

understand this and appreciate it i guess he had taken a pallet apart or a few of them and then had like found enough usable wood and then had sort of like processed it and sanded it and painted it that you would have never known that it was made mostly out of pallets it was like it's very it's a very um you know like you'd think you went and bought it at some store but it's made out of pallets i can't believe that i guess no is it like a two by junk wood yeah the top stuff the slatted

they're the kind of the slats seem like really junk wood i wonder if you mostly use like the two by fours underneath that's that's really impressive i wish i know the guy is uh the guy's

a pretty amazing dude when it comes to that stuff um all right let's uh take a quick break and then we come back i want to talk pizza technology in seattle and also this uh pretty incredible public radio story that i heard uh yesterday on opb so stay with us this is tbtl on your mark

On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dazzle.

Let's thank some dazzling donors. These generous folks are making TBTL happen with their donation of a dazzling amount of dough each month. It's critical to the financial health of the program. I want to thank Kelly Cam, who's in Denver, Colorado. So, Kelly says, you have been my dog-walking companions and imaginary friendos for years and years and years. Keep doing what you're doing. Okay, Edge. Play the blues.

I figured that was my cue to hit the song again.

Are you the Edge in this version of our show? And are these Dem Blues? Jackie Jormchomp sing Dem White Girl Blues?

These are Dem Blues. Weren't we somewhat obsessed? I feel like in high school, I was obsessed with making fun of Bono when he says, Okay, Edge, play the blues.

What song is that from?

I think I could be wrong. I mean, I know we have some hardcore U2 fans. Like from Rattle and Hum or something? That's what I was going to say. Silver and Gold. It's something off of Rattle and Hum.

Off of Rattle and Hum.

That was my favorite U2 record. I was not a big U2 fan, but I did like Rattle and Hum. It seemed to break. seemed to um i like the fact that it was a weird mix of of sort of like live songs experimental stuff dude angel of harlem oh yeah that's on there yeah of a rattling hum that song i i i stand by

that song um it's funny because you know we had scott ackerman on livewire last night and i forgot to ask him about any of the youtube podcast stuff there's just like a lot to talk about with that guy about any of the the what stuff well you talking to me didn't he do a u2 an entire oh

yeah oh yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah sorry i didn't know he would have known he would have

known okay edge play the blues how was that by the way how was the it was good he was really nice it's funny he did the funniest thing which is such a you and me thing i mean you know this guy is like the founder of earwolf they started mid-roll i mean let's just say i think that it's going fine you know they sold mid-roll to some other giant company and like and then comedy bang bang itself is just like so beloved and popular and i said hey i'm a fan of the show which i am only through you but i have now listened to just not just the episodes you and i did in california but i tune in from time to time and i really like what they do so i said hey i'm a fan of the show and he goes oh

god i'm so sorry yeah which is such a you and me response no he's they if you go back i mean and that show started around the same time tbtl started and there was a time when i went back and listened to their archives from like 2008 2009 i was listening in order um and the similarities between topics covered even inside jokes i know you didn't listen to it especially back then so i just think there were certain things in the air and i mean these two shows are two of the long the one that we're working on right now with our tens of listeners and and comedy bang bang even though that show you know just absolutely dwarfs us in in in a lot of different metrics um i still think it has that sort of self-deprecating um sort of like us versus the big guys kind of vibe

well i i was talking to him about putting the show together because in this book by the way i have a copy of this book for you it's a handsome handsome tome by the way it's really he basically had all the characters from the show try to write like some like submit their pages for the so the book is all over the place it's just a bunch of different pastiches of the different characters and what they would basically if they were contributing to a book what would they do but we were talking about something in the book where he's i think it's a real thing where he's like texting with someone being like hey how's monday at four i think i can record them we're trying to get tawny or whatever and like i was like that's very humanizing for me that you're still doing that he goes oh that's most of the job he goes i just got done with this book tour and i was like relieved because now all i have to do is just try to book comedy bang bang Thank you. Like even Scott Ackerman is spending who I'll just mention to folks don't know, also co-created Between Two Ferns and directed the movie. Even Scott Ackerman is spending a lot of his time just trying to talk people into coming on his podcast, which I just found extremely relatable.

He had a guest on the other day who was not in character. They're just being themselves. I can't remember who it was, but they made some reference of like, well, then you should just have The Rock on the show. And he said, do you think we can just get The Rock on this show? He's like, do you have any idea how many people how many people so far down the food chain of The Rock say no to this show? Like what in the world makes you think we can just get The Rock on this show? Yeah, he he talked. I always got the impression that, like, if he wants somebody on the show, he's just got to he's got to pull his own strings to make it happen.

totally and he was i will not mention the famous person but he was talking about a famous person that uh he had had on the show because they he said they kind of sort of felt like they owed him a favor for through some back you know channel of hollywood stuff and so they came on like the first time he asked them on they came on right away and then the second time they took longer to say oh my schedule's a little rough and then he said the third time he texted him no response oh and again i was just like god i love you so much i love i love how much i understand this same world of like doing live wire and being like okay i'm gonna text ben gibbard again and it's like it goes from people being kind of like oh i'd love to but i'm i'm packed or kumail non i was gonna say kumail is the perfect tbtl like kind of parallel there right right it's like a person who used to respond when i would message them they would respond and the answer would still be no but it would be a response saying I'm shooting in Canada right now or something and then it goes from the risk there's a response but it's no to there's no response that's when you've lost him

also I'm blanking on his name but the Sonics announcer who's now Kevin

Calabro Kevin now that's a weird one to me because let's be honest collabs I love you you're a legend but let's I mean you're not I feel like it doesn't seem I mean I I think Kevin Calabro is the best basketball announcer in the game. Did I tell you I saw him? His kid graduated from Western the same ceremony that my kid graduated from Western. Yeah. And this was the time, by the way, when Calabro, if he wasn't actively working at the radio cluster we worked at, he had been very recently. And we were like buds at that point. Like we would see each other and like cut it up, chop it up. I had his number. like and he was kind of in a career by his own choosing he was sort of in a career lull when the sonics went to oklahoma city they offered him a chance to move there and he was like no thanks so at that point he was kind of just doing some games for like espn but it was like he was at a moment of i thought maximum approachability and i just remember him showing up to the graduation and me being like oh this is so cool my friend kevin colabro is here what a coincidence our kids are graduating at the same time and i'll just tell you this i went into that conversation a little hotter i think than he did yeah it was like he remembered you though like he didn't act like he didn't know you no no he didn't not remember me but it wasn't it wasn't like if i ran into you if your kid was graduating from western and my kid was graduating from western well you'd have a lot of questions for me if that were the case probably that's true a lot of it a lot of it would i think we'd get sidetracked pretty quickly on just the logistics of how this would happen anyway kelly cam thank you so much for supporting the show andrew play the blues

We've also got to thank Andrea Elkins

Who's over there in Humble, Texas What a great name for a town I don't think I've ever been through Humble, Texas I wonder what part of the state it's even in

I picture a lot of those tumbleweeds Tumbling through Humble

Oh boy, that's Tumbleweed, Texas

You've embarrassed yourself again That's right, this is Humbleweed, Texas Humbleweed, Texas

The weeds are like, no, no, no, no, no, no I'm just an average weed Don't listen to our podcast Ahoy hoy friendos To say TBTL is my personal life raft Is an understatement As it lifts me up from my own petty dramas By allowing me to listen to my best friendos Chat about their observations and grievances Anytime I dial them up Listening makes me feel at home No matter where I am physically located And interfacing with the TENS community is my own Digital Eagles Club where I belong, surrounded by fellow friends, funny memes, charitable generosity, and all-around good times. That's a really interesting way to put it. We talk about the Eagles so much on the show because, obviously, the Seattle cohort is very enmeshed in that world now, but the idea that the Stens page and places like that are kind of a Digital Eagles hang is a cool way to think about it. Yeah, that's sweet.

It's a place where there are no real problems to solve, but a real love for one another that's so tangible you can snuggle up to it like a cozy blanket. Andrew and Luke provide a daily beautiful companionship, and it is special. Insert, drop. Okay, I think I can probably find that. We are all supporting one another up the best way we can via cold, hard cash. Is that what Andrea is sending us? Only the coldest, hardest cash?

Yeah, send that directly. If you have cold, hard cash, send that directly to me. i have a cooler for it i keep it yeah keep it all nice and cold over here exactly this is special

this is special um let's see andrea finishes up by saying uh we're all supporting one another up in the best way we can via cold hard cash memes drops and garbage talk also i encourage all tens to check out their local symphony or school bands and support them when you can as music can make all the difference quote in these troubling times okay now we've got a few other drop requests here andrew so do you have this message in front of you yeah let me play these

because oh you actually have them you know what andrea is not merely a listener and dazzling donor to this program but also are these hyperlinks a yes also a producer so andrea has some drop requests but also linked to them where they live on marsupialgurgle.com and so I've got these called up here you know one of them in the middle I don't even remember before we play them let's discuss so the first one that Andrea wants to hear is I like turtles okay so that one is pretty straightforward that's this kid

that's this

kid oh my god Andrew that's

this kid I like turtles

okay so that's pretty straightforward what is this next one Luke before

i played i believe it's jane lynch saying do you know what i had for breakfast cocaine oh jane lynch cocaine nope it's that nope cocaine that's okay that's that's news to me i ever said that

cocaine i do consider myself the jane lynch of podcast so that was the second request and the third one was oh this guy from i want to say new zealand right who made bongs this was some viral

ladies bong from feiji oh that is you doing it being that guy i see i'm glad i wasn't trying to find these drops in my system because i do not have them because i do not remember saying them

i did that is interesting now let me see here um fiji let's see your bong i think i can play the original one here i had not uh so we had this guy paul pearson was his name this one was created

from a wooden vase from Fiji. I'm sure what type of timber, but it's a ladies' bong for ladies.

It's a ladies' bong for ladies.

It's my new favorite bong. I wish I could

smoke it. I don't remember why this went viral, but I guess it's self-explanatory.

That's amazing to me that Andrea loves these drops. I mean, this just proves the power of marsupial gurgle, and also relates back to this idea of the TBTL listener community, which is, I didn't even know that there was a drop of me saying cocaine or my impression of lady bong from fiji and andrea is saying those are her favorite drops that means she's spending some amount of time at marsupial gurgle on the soundboard just kidding repeat repeat repeat so there you go thank you andrea and also thanks to to our friend lynn for putting that together andrea wraps up with with admiration and a texas power out oh andrea elkins poly prissy pants and our begrudged 11 david cotton uh thank you david for allowing this, whatever this is, to occur, presumably in your home and vehicle when you're driving around with Andrea. We appreciate you. Thanks, Andrea. Thanks, Kelly. And really thanks, Polly Prissy Pants, for making TBTL possible today. Cocaine.

Hello, and welcome to Top Story.

Okay, I'm not going to belabor this. And by the way, I talked about this before we started taping at Livewire last night so if you were at that show and you already have heard this sorry to be a little repetitive but there was a story on OPB about a guy named Jerry who is known at his job as two-ply because his job Andrew is to float down the Deschutes River in a dinghy that he built and basically clean out the pit toilets that are along and the composting toilets that are along the river. This is one of the rare places where they actually have because so many people use this river they actually have toilets but the toilets need to be cleaned out they're obviously not hooked up to plumbing. Now, I mentioned this last night to me really good journalism it's sort of well let me

play this clip this just kind of sets up what's going on this is from opb yesterday jerry christensen

has a job that truly stinks some days the bathrooms are easy some days they're not here in the canyon of the deschutes river the dusty bluffs are dotted with sagebrush and jerry is scrubbing the plastic toilet seat of an outhouse

By the way, Ian McCluskey reporting for OPB. Now, the thing that I think good journalism does is it puts you in someone else's experience. It kind of like – it helps you see the world maybe differently than you did before. And this story did that because what I realized was – so apparently there is like through permitting or whatever, there's a specific number of people that are allowed on this part of the Deschutes River every day. And that number is 500 people, which to me sounds like a minimal number of people because it's a huge river, right? That seems like very low. But to Jerry, who has to clean the toilets that the people use, it definitely seems higher than that.

500 people is what they allow on this river per day.

That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people for Jerry. yeah it is a lot of people when you're dealing with those people in that way now this was the thing though that i thought i knew how the story was going to go because i you know i was a public radio reporter there's a way that these stories tend to unfold and i thought it was going to be there's this guy jerry he's got this job that doesn't sound very great but he loves it because he's taking care of the river and he's taking care of the folks out there and in fact he's been doing it so long that he doesn't even he's not even phased by it like he's just used to it just part of the job you know humans we're very adaptable we can do anything that's not how this story went every time you get jerry gets to one of the toilets and it's like opening the hatch to get to the like the the stuff he sounds exactly like you or i would sound he is as horrified as any of us would be at this process all these years later about halfway down the river trip

Jerry pulls into a campsite. There are several rafts tied along the shore and half a dozen tents pitched under the trees. Just behind them is the most used outhouse on his route. Alright, here we go. Jerry lifts the lid of the outhouse toilet and peers down into its abyss.

Oh yeah, that's super. I love how fresh the horror is for him. all oh yeah that's super yeah the traditional pit toilets along the poo patrol i don't know if you hear him sighing in the background but just listen for the background sounds of just how much jerry hates doing this can be emptied every year or two but further down the river

deeper into the canyon there are no roads the waste here has to be treated on site composting toilets solve this will require jerry to get more well let's just say more up close and personal.

We're about to get to the really fun stuff.

After scrubbing down the stall and restocking the rolls of two-ply, Jerry goes around the backside of the outhouse and opens the hatch.

Oh, yeah.

That's awesome. Oh, man. Jerry jams a garden hoe into the hatch, pushing around the pungent heap. God damn it. Many cranks are ratcheting lever to turn the entire batch that helps it break down until it becomes a dark compost soil looking something like typical

garden mulch i just loved this story so much and i loved jerry so much because i don't know why it was so humanizing to me to not that i want this guy to suffer but like i just love that he hates it as much as you'd think you would hate this there's something weirdly like i don't know that Makes me feel like we're more connected than we are disconnected based on the sounds he's making when he's opening that hatch because that's the sound any of us would make.

I assume the story does not get into how he ended up with this particular job or does it?

It doesn't. But it's interesting because, again, at the end, I forget the exact quote from from Jerry, but it's like he basically says, like, yeah, I'm going to keep doing this job as long as, you know, they fund the position. um and then he says something else basically he says something at the end that's again he doesn't i think he likes being on the river i think he likes you know being of service to the people that are using the river but he doesn't like the job and i forget what he says at the end but it's not again i thought the story was gonna be about a person who who who loves a job that most of us couldn't love and it's like no it's a person who

doing a job and they're doing it well but they're hating it as much as we would hate it and they are going to do it as long as they get paid but not a second more and also wouldn't be that sad

if they stopped doing it yeah and i the reason i ask about his journey to this particular role is i mean obviously there are all kinds of really hard really gross jobs out there that people have to do you know and i don't want to you know demean that i mean these are jobs that people have to do and a lot of us have had those jobs at some point in our lives um but you get the impression that this particular job is tied to this person's lifestyle in some way right like they they must you know maybe they are very into composting or having a small ecological footprint and love the outdoors you just get the impression that like this person if they weren't doing this they wouldn't just be cleaning you know bathrooms right they wouldn't be driving stadium yes right

right that truck that you know like goes around yeah i think this is i mean considering that they built this guy built his own boat yeah and uh it's a really nice looking boat i saw a picture on the opb website and like yeah i'm i'm totally with you it's a lifestyle um and i'm sure that he wouldn't be doing this if not for the being outdoors part of it i just i don't i can't explain why but i i just found it greatly pleasurable to hear again not that i want this person to not enjoy their job it's not like i'm this isn't schadenfreude or whatever it's just it made me feel i related to this person i would have been it would have been weird if he was like not just

smells like uh roses to me yeah like or just like that's human nature right there and it's a good reminder of what's going on inside of us all right no it's like because we've all had to use one of

those those either composting or pit toilets they call them you know at like a state park or something and it's it's just deeply troubling as i wrote on twitter many years ago if you have to use a porta potty it is always going to be the worst part of that day for you like it's just so upsetting yeah best case scenario um okay from that appetizing topic to um something that is actually more appetizing believe it or not which is pagliacci pizza's plan in seattle i know that's a lot of peace dude it is to use drone delivery did you see this article in the seattle you know

i saw the headline yesterday and i didn't explore it this is why i was really fascinated by this

because andrew based on this reporting in the seattle times by there was a piece by um renata giraldo from what i can tell this is not a stunt that's exactly why i didn't click on it

luke i was going to say like not to be defensive but i was gonna say i didn't click on it because i figured this means that mostly they're going to deliver pizzas the way they always have but they're gonna have like one drone and every now and then we'll see it and it'll get like headlines because they're but this sounds like a real deal huh from this reporting in the seattle times that

i'm reading i didn't see anything stunty about this paliaci pizza is partnering with the drone company zipline to begin drone delivery to customers in the seattle area um uh the drones will have the capacity to carry two 13 inch paliaci pizzas drinks and side dishes uh matt galvin the co-owner of Pagliacci said in an interview the drones will allow for faster delivery and wider reach than what is possible with the chain's driver team of 250. He said he didn't expect the drone delivery will lead to a change in delivery fees. He said many of the addresses around our locations are hard for our drivers to reach. Either they're too far away or they're difficult to get to, and this drone delivery affords us the opportunity to easily do that. The pizza chain plans to maintain the number of drivers and possibly hire more employees as the wider reach may increase demand but the drones also have limitations they can't fit paliaci's most popular order the 17 inch pizza or larger orders so drivers are necessary he added like it's just so businesslike you know what i mean like and they're just like yeah this is going to help us get these this pizza to people it's not going to cost more and oh we also can't fly the biggest pizza so that sucks but whatever like it's not like it just doesn't nothing about this as i read the article struck me as stunty it struck me as an actual solution to a challenge that they're dealing with and i was like i was immediately like transported to the world of

tomorrow land or something like because it makes it will help sales though right because people will

be excited to get a pizza delivered by a drone i mean i would be yeah honestly now i was at on the University Oregon State University campus a few weeks ago and you know what they have there everywhere are these little rolling autonomous robots that are basically a cooler and there are like it looks like hundreds of them on the campus and they're just working they're just taking food to students in their dorms or you know professors or whomever and there were so many of them they're cross in the street and they're just like and what i found so kind of charming about it was that it wasn't it wasn't a stunt nobody was like it they'd moved at least on the campus of oregon state when it comes to these autonomous food delivery robots they've moved past the kind of like get a load of this and yeah it's the novelty is over it would appear it's just like oh yeah you want to get that thing um you like want to order whatever you know some food from the cafetorium it's like yeah and then it just brings it to you like there was something now i don't know we you talk a lot on the show and it's of course a an easy go-to joke of like oh the robots they're gonna take over so i mean i don't know why i'm rooting for this in this way but there's something nice about seeing technology go from being the gimmick stage to being the like we're just using it stage and reading this article it seemed like they're pretty much just gonna be going to the we're going to try to use this phase of and yes as a person who once lived one or two neighborhoods too far for the Pagliacci delivery remember I used to have a whole scam I would run because I love Pagliacci pizza is my favorite you know it's local to Seattle it's not a large chain but it's also not just one restaurant Pagliacci's pizza is my very favorite pizza from any kind of it might be my favorite I might say this entry it might be my favorite pizza just of all pizzas and I you know I don't think most people will agree with me on that, that it's the best pizza in the world. But I love Pagliacci and I really miss having access to it, right?

Like, I mean, that's I think that pizza like, you know, foods like that have such a nostalgic connection. Growing up in Seattle, did you eat a lot of Pagliacci? Isn't that probably what's happening here?

I think not so much as a kid, because, you know, my parents would get like if we got pizza, it would be from Guido's, which was actually a very artisanal, cool place by Greenlake when I was growing up, where they literally tossed the pies and everything. We would get a large cheese pizza for $10. We would go to Greenlake with a wagon and sell Craigmont soda to people and get $10. This is my mom running this operation, you know, the palate queen of Silverdale. And then we would take the $10 and we would go buy a large cheese pizza from Pagliacci's. That sounds so good. Or sorry, from Guido's. Anyway, it was either Guido's or somewhere we had a weird coupon for. But here's what happened. Once I started to be a teenager and get a little bit of my own spending money, I would go to the Ave, and I would go to that Pagliacci's on the Ave, and I would get a slice, and I felt so freaking grown up. And then when I worked at KUOW, it's right across the street. I don't know if that Pagliacci's is not that anymore.

No, you know what it is now? I literally just had a couple of slices and a couple of beers there two days ago. I think it was whatever, Wednesday. I was out and about, and I said, hey, let's meet up, and it's a Supreme Pizza now, which is a little bit more. It's like a bar slash pizza place, which I kind of like. True Pagliacci, you know, people who went to school there, I think, really miss the old Pagliacci's. But, like, I love the new Supreme Pizza. It's more my scene.

And I'm sure that if I'd grown up eating that Supreme Pizza, then that would be my nostalgia. I totally agree with you that this pizza is a very nostalgic food. But, yeah, then working at KUOW, I'd go over there and get it. And then really just living in Seattle, it was my go to all the time delivery order for years and years and years. And it was very sort of part of a reward system for me. You know, it'd be like, oh, so exciting. I'm going to order this pizza and I'm going to get my soda and I'm going to watch my show. And, you know, it was like it was just like I just looked so forward to it. So I'm very I'm envious of people that still have access to that place in Seattle. And also, yes, of course. How flipping cool would it be to put in your order and then have a drone just land on your, you know, in your front yard with the pizza? I can see both how the technology is pretty straightforward. You put the address in. All these addresses are now so sort of mapped out. I wonder how the drone knows where to land at the address. It must just have a bunch of cameras on it. Because, like, think about my old house in Seattle, the one with, like, 8 million stairs. If you flew a pizza drone out to there, where does that pizza drone actually land?

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, that would be a tough place to, not the address, but actually to land.

Even your house, your current house, I mean, you have a porch, but would it know to go to the porch? Would it drop it off on top of Veeves', like, recently planted landscaping in your yard? Like, where at the house does the drone drop the pizza?

I think you, the recipient, have to act like a falconer. you go out there just hold out your arm and it lands on your arm that'd be awesome

it was crazy when i climbed that tree the guy who was our climbing guide who runs this whole program he also because this is the world we live in does all kinds of photography and drone stuff like he's really good with the drone so our camera guy who was like yeah i'm our camera guy paul i have to say he's considerably older than the rest of us he got like 250 feet up there with his camera on which i was like damn dude but um he he sent the drone controls with leo the guy that was leading us and it was wild to sit there on the top of this tree and leo's flying this drone all around the tree he's doing all these crazy shots he's controlling it with paul's cell phone and then i said well how are you going to get it back he goes i'm just going to land it on my hand i was like what and he just brings it back in and just is the word a light he just lands it right on his open palm this little drone i was just like holy shit while he's up

I'm a little confused.

Is it the person up in the tree has it land on his hand? We're sitting in the top of the tree like we're hundreds of feet in the air. If it misses and it's not spinning its thing, it's going to fall. I was just like, don't we need a – is there a landing pad for this or do we – I mean, how does this work? He's like, oh, I'll just land it on my hand. I was like, you can just land that thing on your flipping hand? It's amazing. All right. Let's do a little music for your weekend before we get to our various yard projects. I know you can hear the excitement in my voice. Let's be honest. We have a meeting later today, and I want you to know I'll be there for that meeting, but I might be on a riding lawnmower, okay?

Okay, good. What time is the Mariners game on? It must be a – is it a – oh, we're in Detroit, so it's a daytime game, so that's going to be good for you, right? 4 p.m.-ish maybe? Yeah, like 3.40, so you'll get out of our meeting, and then you'll hop on your lawnmower and listen to the game?

They didn't play yesterday. I guess they were flying to Detroit.

Yeah, yeah.

Because I was wondering why our text chain was – I was like I was I was expecting when I got done with Livewire to look down and just find a bunch of just frustration, which has really been a theme lately. I think a reasonable theme of just like them not hitting. And I didn't see any of that. And I was like, either they won and no one was paying attention or they lost and were so depressed. We're not even talking.

It is kind of depressing. This is taking a bit of a toll on me. It's been a bit of a what's the word I'm looking for? A slog is I don't I'm not like I'm not like. this saying like oh the season's over i'm not catastrophizing like whatever like i i do think that mariners tend to get off to a slow start especially in when they're playing at home in this weather things are going to start literally getting warmer and the team is going to heat up a little bit like they'll figure some things out but it's just been such a slog of a beginning of a season very little to even like get excited about one way or the other well and also it's

reminded me of why baseball is a uniquely crazy-making sport to watch because it takes even with the shortened games it still takes kind of a long it's like a slow speed crash and there's so many moments where you might be able to steer back into the slide and get control and you don't over and over and over again just the rhythm of the frustration which is a great miami sound machine song by the way is is different than the frustration you feel in football or basketball those are maddening for their own reasons but like it's just when you when you keep going you keep sending your allegedly best hitters up to bat and they keep just failing and they're failing individually but as part of a group and they're failing in a public way where you know it's just them it's not like the right tackle missed a block and it flushed geno smith so he had to throw the ball a little bit uh you know quicker to to uh tyler lockett and we didn't get the completion it's like tie france hit the mother flipping baseball with people in scoring position you know it's like so it's just so direct who you're kind of frustrated with and then that happens how many times in a game let's see nine innings times three 27 it happens 27 times

potentially yeah and then and then the mariners give us a little bit of hope because they get these like late like twice maybe three times this season there's been some sort of like late in the game comeback that was unexpected like usually with two outs and the eighth or something like that and that's so funny you think oh that's the turn this is going to chaos ball yeah exactly and it's like you know the mariners last season that was sort of their reputation to scratch out wins in this way like they never give up and when you see that you're like oh they're going to get that old spirit back and then for them just to like fart out another like one run loss the next day it's just like no they need to fire their hitting i don't know if it'll matter but they need to fire they're hitting coach i mean just to shake things up just to say i mean i mean it's not working

what's happening is not working i don't know maybe that's maybe that's hasty i mean our pitching is has been great our pitching has to be some of the tops in the mlb it's just they're getting zero run

support something has to give over there yeah i'm starting to hear uh five five hours ago seattle times is matt caulkins no it's divish um well okay yeah we'll slow i don't want to be aligned with cold take calkins but if it's divish i mean i love divish he's a regional treasure will slow start offensively lead to mariners firing their hitting coach this is not him saying that this is a mailbag question i believe um actually let's just see if divish answers that directly um i guess it could happen this is divish speaking boy we're just doing this uh if the mariners were looking for a scapegoat. They can't really fire Tasker Hernandez or Julio Rodriguez So anyway He says if they did fire the coach it would basically Be something players refer to as eye Wash like it would just be kind of like you Know symbolic in a certain way which I but like that seems like what changes

What changes for A hitter like It's hitting them baseball At the major level is so insanely Hard it's amazing anyone ever does it Ever and like I don't understand how you make someone better at that like you're either just naturally amazing or you're kind of not i guess you can work on your mechanics i mean i guess kalanick is an example of that like he was not good at hitting last year and he now is good at hitting so something changed but it just it feels like you're trying to like you're you're trying to in the words of the uh mother superior from sound of music you're trying to catch a cloud and pin it down you're trying to keep a wave upon the sand like how do you make someone better at doing this nearly impossible task are you about to sing how do you solve a problem like julio

that is the because that's the funny thing right because like julio isn't getting like screwed at the plate in the same manner he was in the first couple of months of last season like he's just missing he's missing a lot he's but he's also he's you know pressing like they say but he's also missing fastballs over the plate like you just must get into a mode where everyone knows if you

throw teoscar hernandez a slider he's casey at the bat like every they talk about it all the time they're like yeah he can't hit the slider it's like so what are you throwing him a slider right what's he not hitting the slider it's like oh god yeah anyway what were we talking about oh you're

going to listen for your weekend you're going to listen to that game later while you're on the tractor uh but you're going to give uh me your full attention during our tbtl meeting i'm going

to have my laptop i'm going to be like that guy have you seen that guy on tiktok you probably haven't who the bit was he had like um he had this chroma key green screen that he could mount like he could wear it so it was behind him and then he had his laptop mounted so he had this kind of harness that he had made and what he could do is he could put a fake office background in for his zoom calls but then he'd be going on a water slide or he'd be like riding a bucking bronco and it was like it wasn't convincing but it was still a funny bit it was he was it just a

joke for us the audience or was he actually like spoofing his co-workers was it like a prank situation he would be in

zoom meetings with multiple people I can't imagine that they weren't aware of they may have even just been you know actors pretending to have fun with him just to see what is the most what is the wildest environment that this person can be in while trying to present the idea he'd have like a collared shirt on and a tie and he'd just be like he'd be like skydiving but his background would just be like a zoom office background but his hair is flying up his mouth is doing that crazy thing where it's like filling with air right like it was kind of a funny bit anyway i'm glad we're kind of stalling here

because i don't know how to get into my music for your weekend like i just have more of an idea for music for your weekend than a song i was mentioning this to you a little bit before we started our show today i found myself in the car um it i guess it was around like three o'clock yesterday afternoon running a bunch of errands it's just like it's not usually that's not my mode for a kind of midweek radio listening um and i gotta be honest i don't want to be rude here but like the kicksy radio of old i don't i don't hate everything they play but it just doesn't have the same kind of charm that it has because you just hear much more modern stuff on kicksy now that you could hear elsewhere rattling hum yeah right so it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel special to me anymore and there was no mariners game on yesterday so i i flip on over to kexp a station that i listen to i'm so ashamed of myself how little i listen to this radio station which i think is one of the best radio stations in the country right here in seattle um has been a groundbreaking community radio station for a long time used to be now did you have a connection to kexp back in the day when it was uh still licensed by the university yeah when it was kcmu i was a

volunteer there in like my senior year of high school um and my job was to like alphabetize things bulk carts meaning erase carts and also try to get local quasi celebrities to record like station ids for us so i would call them up and and get like jack roberts from jack roberts linwood home appliance to do an ad or mayor norm rice or whatever so um i but i was just basically

wanted to be in the building right so anyway so now it's kexp and it's a great like kind of trip i don't know if they still call it triple a but it's a community radio station with eclectic playlists and this guy larry meisel jr who i used to know as a writer for the stranger um is a is a mid-afternoon dj there and i think he often spends hip-hoppy stuff i don't hear his show all that often but apparently what i stumbled on yesterday They will. was a kind of new segment that they're doing, or new hour of programming that they're doing on Thursdays called OG Thursdays, I think, where Larry will just take a year and sort of explore the hip-hop kind of roots of that year, what was going on in hip-hop in that year. But then it was so great. The playlist wasn't just, oh, then this song came out in 1983, and then this song came out in 1983. He would play some song that came out, I don't know maybe in the mid 90s but it was using a sample of a song from 1983 and then he'd go back and play that song from 1983 when hip-hop songs were legally they had to be 18 minutes long I believe and then and then he'd go back and say well the sample there was actually something they were pulling from the 60s I love that it was just like such a great afternoon and one of the songs a great afternoon of listening I should say um I'm really gonna I think that's gonna be appointment radio for me and i think they archive all this stuff i'm cool yeah anyway so as you can tell yesterday's year was 1983 that's what i came in on and i heard here's the here's the first song that i heard that was sort of like kind of connected via all these tendrils to what i'm about to lay out for you here is a song called breakdance electric boogie by the west street Mob and I'm going to start this maybe about let's see here maybe about 45 seconds in but what you're going to hear is this is one of the songs that borrows heavily from that old 1960s song Apache and of course the Sugar Hill gang will come out with an actual song called Apache and I'm not going to play that boy I was listening and watching a little bit of that video today I mean just I mean 1983 man I mean it's just everybody I mean it's just so offensive to Native Americans I mean it is just so over the top I mean just so over the top the imagery I mean it's just so anyway I'm not going to go down that road but I will play this this is another version of that sample of a song called Apache it's called Breakdance Electric Boogie take a listen to this

I'm going home. So this is the West Street Mob

using a lot of those familiar sounds. The thing that struck me about that was the horn part that comes in because I was so confused by that and apparently the original original song Apache that all this was kind of inspired by was some 1960s song with a guitarist and it sounded very much like kind of a spaghetti western style soundtrack but then it's the 1972 version by the incredible Bongo band their version of Apache which ends up being the beat for like basically everything in hip hop this is the incredible Bongo Band's version. Oh, of course. And then you get into that sort of that Apache chorus sound, but it was like that big horn sound, and I just can't figure out why it's so familiar to me. Maybe because I've heard this more than I thought, or like that version of it, But also, I kept thinking it was the Brooklyn Nine-Nine theme song. Are you familiar with that at all? No, I'm not. Yesterday, I kept on Googling Apache, Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Is there any connection there? And I cannot find any connection. I'm going to play for you just the very beginning of the Brooklyn Nine-Nine song. This is, by the way, this is not something that Larry Mizell would have brought up because I don't believe there's any connection here. This is just an Andrew Walsh broken brain special. Oh, I mean, very similar. I was reading an interview with the guy who wrote this. I can't remember his name off the top of my head. And I was like, well, you must mention that you were inspired by those horns in Apache. And there was no mention of it. Can we file an amicus brief? Can we get another estate of Marvin Gaye? whoever wrote that song because oh my gosh right when i mean yeah i didn't know the brooklyn 99 theme but that is very very similar so anyway um thanks for going with me on that i feel like

everything i've done today has been very um blabbermouthed and unfocused but that's also you're saying everyone should tune into larry my zelda oh do that that is the recommendation thursdays i think at 3 p.m og thursdays so good like i was i wanted more errands i probably got to hear like 45 minutes to an hour of the show it was so goddamn good the song that i would like to

recommend is a song by katherine paul who plays under the name black belt eagle scout oh yeah and she was the musical guest on livewire last night and uh has a new album out uh that's just really really lovely um and she's um she grew up on the sunamish reserve uh reservation in um up in la connor kind of where our undisclosed location was one year where we rented an airbnb um and in fact the cover of the album uh this uh her latest album is called the land the water the sky the picture is her in the water i swear it's like right by where we were although i think there's probably a lot of places in that area that look like that but it's just unbelievably a beautiful

part of the world that's a big reveal by the way what you just revealed not that i care but But I just on Wednesday ran into a friend who's also a listener of the show, and she said, will you please just tell me where the undisclosed location was? People still want to know. It was in La Conner.

It was in La Conner.

How about that for Anticlimactic at hour number four on a Friday? We're just dropping that knowledge.

Also, Bruce Willis has been dead the whole time in 12 Monkeys. Anyway, it was really great having Catherine on the show. And this album is really beautiful It's just kind of like It's really dreamy a lot of it But then it's also got some rockin' guitar I would recommend Anyway, I kind of picked the song more or less at random But I thought we could play Nobody By Black Belt Eagle Scout Can you play that?

Yeah, I feel it in my bones

And I find it through my arms

I see it in a dream Like a whisper spoke to me

So there you go. That's a little Blackbelled Eagle Scout.

Nice.

Yeah, it really brings together a bunch of different things That I kind of love musically By the way She's going to be playing in Denver June 2nd, the Lost Lake Lounge And in Salt Lake City At Utah Pride, June 3rd And in LA at Out Loud Festival So if you're in one of those places And looking for something to do Go see Black Belt Eagle Scout

Kelly, our dazzling donor should be there Tell them that TVTL sent you

She'll be like, what? And go, the guy from LiveWire Our listener suggestion comes from our friend Nick, the king of Ska, although this is not Ska, Andrew. I'm going to tell you. Way to talk me down right away. Don't worry, Andrew. It's not Ska. It's by Fishbone. No, it is a song by Stephanie Ann Johnson. And listener Nick says, you know this one because you've had them on your Fancy Pants Public Radiola show, which is true. So we have had Stephanie Ann Johnson, who is – they're from Tacoma, I believe, which would explain maybe how Nick became associated with them. Nick says, I've seen Stephanie play more times than I can count over the past decade or so, and I'm always blown away. They're also genuinely one of the kindest, most thoughtful people I've ever had the pleasure of getting to know. Wow, Nick, I thought that was me, but okay.

I'll make room for Stephanie Ann. I've had the pleasure to get to know, and I really love when good people become successful. Also, this is just good, sunny weather music, and it sure is. So we're going to go out with a song called The Day You Begin by Stephanie Ann Johnson, and that is going to bring us to the end of this broadcast week. The good news is we'll be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for you, so please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Enjoy the fine weather if you're somewhere where the weather is fine. Please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Don't be afraid, no. Don't worry, none. You are a star, yeah. You are the one.

Where you relax, oh, and listen in. That'll be the day, a child of the day that you begin.

all right they're gonna run see you on the flippy flops power out