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#3948 Oh Nap!
TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

#3948 Oh Nap!

from TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

May 19, 2023 | 01:14:57 | Leisure, Comedy

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Luke had a major freakout yesterday, and it involved his friend Andrew. They also discuss the "Boot Girls" of Atlanta and Taco Bell's attempt to wrench the term "Taco Tuesday" from the legal grips of its competitor.
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There is something about the soul of a cat. There is something intrinsically secretive about a cat. Almost touching on the borderline of being seductive.

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Just like 16-year-old boys, they try to go find dates, and that's what he's thinking about.

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Loves to be held. You know, sometimes I say about to people, you know, there's a stare about this cat, glassy stare. A lot of people get scared by that look. I love the way they look. They're very affectionate, and they're smaller than horses. The cat, when I lie down with it, I kind of have that fantasy that I'm lying down with a tiger or the lion. But for somebody else, it may be another thing.

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T-B-T-L

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Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?

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it's friday friday gotta get down on friday everybody's looking forward to the weekend actually you know what i could email you or you know you could email me at uh splat2 at splatnet.net splat1's my father i mean i'll be sad to see him go it'll be nice to get my hands

00:01:10 - 00:01:20 | Speaker 2:

on that handle you know hi my name is olivia i live in woodbury minnesota and i really liked your show it helps me fall asleep but you say the effort too much could you stop

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y'all are joking are y'all kidding with me i'm talking about duped you in charge of duplication yes sir show me how this duplicating machine works i want to learn all about the process

00:01:33 - 00:02:45 | Speaker 7:

well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a friday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live let us throw caution to the wind my name is luke burbank I am your host. I can't believe you're still on the air. Coming to you from Chicago once again, where it's actually kind of a lousy day. It's been raining off and on. It's kind of chilly. There's something going on, I think, in the northeast extending over to the upper Midwest where it was like in the 80s recently and then it dropped down to like 40 degrees. Again, everything seems to be going pretty okay with the climate. There's nothing to be worried about here on a Friday edition of the program, which arrives at episode 3948 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. We got to none of the top stories yesterday, exactly zero of the top stories, and so I am quite committed to getting to at least some of them today, including the story of a couple of people in Atlanta who call themselves the Boot Girls.

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They're like the coolest person I've ever met.

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And they are truly doing God's work out there in Atlanta. We'll tell you what they're doing to try to fight the powers that be coming up. Also, today is a Friday, but that means we're only three days away from Taco Tuesday.

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Hot tacos here!

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And there is an issue with that phrase. a fight between Taco Bell and Taco John's about who owns that. Although, if you read further into the article, it's not that intense of a fight. We'll explain why coming up. Also, I had a freak out yesterday.

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Oh my God, I'm freaking out!

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That involved me calling Andrew in a panic. We'll talk about that too. Speaking of my good friend Andrew, the longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, and their power, and all that intricate rigging. Oh, la, la. He is Andrew Walsh, and he is joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

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Good morning, Luke. That young person that we heard in the intro of today's show saying that we say the F word too much, that's from a long time ago.

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I'm a fucking baby.

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Oh, he's done it. Oh, Chris is leaving the studio.

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Can I blow your mind?

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That does remind me of something that I thought about yesterday whilst doing some yard work. You know how during yesterday's show we stumbled on the hashtag F-A-F-O and we weren't exactly sure what it meant and we looked it up and it means F around find out, which is a common saying of the era. I was thinking it's better if you don't even use the F word there and if you say fiddle around and find out. Oh, so much better. And I was thinking, like, I've never used the original phrase before, but what if I started deploying that one? I think it's brilliant. And I don't say that about a lot of my own ideas, but, hey, fiddle around, find out. I feel like that's disarming.

00:04:44 - 00:04:53 | Speaker 7:

I agree. I love that it's so Ned Flanders, but that it's a real iron fist in a velvet glove because the finding out is still going to be intense.

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Yeah, it seriously is, neighbor. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, so anyway, fiddle around.

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find out makes everybody happy um how are you doing i'm okay but i am still trying to understand

00:05:07 - 00:06:23 | Speaker 1:

what exactly happened to me yesterday i actually really debated whether i should talk about this on the show or not because i don't want the listeners to be worried for my i don't know mental acuity um i feel like there have been a few things where i can't remember something or whatever and i'm mostly laughing it off but i don't you know our listeners are so wonderful But they are also, you know, they're worried for us And I think everything is okay But what I can tell you is Yesterday after we did the show I'm attributing this behavior to the fact that I have been traveling a bunch And being in different cities and different time zones And things of that nature But there was a couch in this hotel room And I decided after we were done with the show And I had done some CBS stuff I had a few hours before Wait Wait was going to commence so I decided to rest my little peepers and I so I kind of laid down on the couch sometimes I'll nap on the couch because I don't want to fully commit to the nap like you get in bed, you get under the covers that's just sleep again, now you're just sleeping you rest your eyelids a little bit on the couch you're Dagwood in a Blondie comic, you're sleeping on the couch but you're not like fully going back to sleep

00:06:23 - 00:07:35 | Speaker 2:

yeah, you just ate a huge sandwich, can I ask you a quick question I know that you're going somewhere with this because i i know where you're going with this um i'll allow it counselor um but let me ask you about that napping on the couch thing do you find yourself having a very different kind of sleep because of the flow of oxygen and potentially the flow of blood uh as you're sleeping on the couch because i have described to you before the quote-unquote couch i used in my college studio apartment which was really just the middle seat of my dodge caravan right i pulled that up to my apartment and i would sometimes fall asleep on that as you might guess it was not like the most comfortable place for a six foot two uh college student to sleep and that is where i experienced my worst sleep paralysis uh where you like you feel like you're awake but you can't move at all and i always attribute that to probably the positioning of me did it stop me from doing it No, obviously not. But I remember, like, many times, like, kind of feeling awake but unable to move. And I have always attributed that to the fact that I probably wasn't getting the right amount of oxygen or potentially was messing up my circulation by cramming myself on that little couch.

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Right, I mean, you could have also literally had parts of your body falling asleep because I'm imagining, like, you know, I mean, a car, what would you call that, a bench seat in a car? I don't know what you call that kind of seat, but it's not designed really for, like, comfortable sleeping. So there's probably all kinds of little ridges and seatbelt parts and things sticking out that it could be, you know, like you may have just literally like your shoulders fell asleep. Maybe that accounted for some of the sleep paralysis.

00:08:01 - 00:08:21 | Speaker 2:

Well, first of all, I was strapped in, of course, a click it or take it in Ohio. But no, it's a little bit different than that because I've had that before where you wake up and your arms are sort of asleep or numb or you can't. This is a different feeling. This is a feeling of you feel like you're awake, but you cannot move any part of your body at all. I'm so glad I haven't had that.

00:08:21 - 00:08:23 | Speaker 1:

People describe that as absolutely terrifying.

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Luke, it is one of the worst feelings you can have. I was going to say while awake, but I don't know if you're awake when you have that or if it's an intense dream. But anyway, so when you sleep on a couch, do you find yourself – because you know how sometimes we'll dream more if we aren't in a deep sleep or if we're sleeping on our back instead of our side or whatever. I feel like it can really affect your experience of sleeping.

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Yeah, it's a lighter sleep. So at my place in Portland, I have a whole system, which is like I have these two kind of long, like they're like tube like pillows, if that makes any sense. they're kind of long tubes and they go at the each end of the couch but they're it's like perfect you know one of the things i like about my tube pillows is if it's a day where i've already gotten up and done my hair and that just means taking a shower combed it applied baldness covering powder to it put some pomade or whatever i use fiber in there i can sleep on one of these tube pillows without messing my hair up if i have to go like do live wire later because your hair isn't like

00:09:23 - 00:09:28 | Speaker 2:

your head isn't like going into the pillow right stiff enough exactly supporting you do put a

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pillow down in case any of that stuff comes off on the pillow i got a system man i'll tell you what i i'm i'm pretty much i don't i don't shed much of it off anymore i've got all kinds of all kinds of workarounds but it's it's not as deep of a sleep but like for instance on those days it's it's nice because i don't have to then like go take another shower and redo my hair and everything i can also i sleep for less time it does feel restful though so i'll sleep for 15 minutes on the couch sometimes it'll be like we were done with tbtl i've got to do live wire in 45 minutes I will literally Literally set my alarm, and I will take a 15-minute nap, and I will feel totally restored afterwards. It helps that I am able to fall asleep almost instantaneously when I'm tired. And also sleeping is a stress. It's a stress reaction for me. Like the more stressed I am about something that's upcoming, the more likely I am to fall asleep, which is amazing that my lineage survived this long on this planet. Can you imagine, you know, what, Grog Burbank, you know, 200,000 years ago, as the saber-toothed tiger was marauding through the camp, he got sleepy? Like, how am I even here? That is the worst reaction to stress you could have.

00:10:40 - 00:11:20 | Speaker 2:

Well, that's an immediate stress reaction. I actually, you told me a long time ago that this was sort of a stress reaction for you, and I kind of wasn't able to associate with it. Although as I sort of monitored myself, maybe with that, maybe with that idea in my head, I realized that sometimes I feel that too, but it's not usually like, oh, I'm reacting to something in the moment. It's not a flight, not a fight or flight scenario so much as Grog woke up and he knows on Monday that on Saturday, he's got a big presentation in front of the saber tooth tiger. And so Grog might be falling asleep Leading up to that Because Grog doesn't want to maybe Actually confront it in his waking brain Or work on it maybe Does that seem maybe a little bit more real?

00:11:20 - 00:11:46 | Speaker 1:

It's sort of kicking the can down the road The anxiety is not in the next two hours Or the thing is not in the next two hours But the thing is making you anxious Regardless So to answer your question I do sleep differently if I'm sleeping on a couch I don't do it like all the time There just happens to be a couch in this room, so I was like, all right. But on this particular day, that day being yesterday, yesterday is the day I'm talking about, Andrew.

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I was there.

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I am the yesterday in this story.

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A lot of balls.

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Don't repeat that to anyone.

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I won't.

00:11:55 - 00:12:44 | Speaker 1:

I did fall into what was apparently a fairly deep sleep because this is all I remember. closing my eyes putting my little white noise fan app on my phone which i i don't know nobody needs this level of detail but i'm going to share it with people when i'm napping on a couch this is what i do i by the way part of why i love doing it at my house is because then bubbles will come and she will take a nap on top of my legs oh i love that which is the greatest joy of my life at this point so it's like it's our whole thing like i get on the couch and then she after a certain amount of running around and being a maniac she calms down then she jumps up and she kind of falls asleep kind of in the crook of my knee or whatever and then i go to sleep and then everything is and then the voices stop for about 15 minutes anyway but um so just to reiterate

00:12:44 - 00:12:55 | Speaker 2:

though so this is after tbtl yesterday you're in your hotel room in chicago you got your little get your little day bed there a little couch yeah and i'm going oh the thing that i did i do

00:12:55 - 00:14:53 | Speaker 1:

only when i'm sleeping on a couch though is because i'm not going to roll around at all there's not the room i put my phone i put the white noise fan it's not even it's not even a white noise it's just a straight up sound of a fan i'll play it for you because this is you know this is audio theater this is what it sounds like i okay stop that's enough i put that on and i place it on my chest and the vibration of the speaker on the phone and the noise of the fan it's very calming for me and i fall asleep so that's what happened yesterday next thing you know i wake up i don't know exactly where i am i don't know what time it is i look at my phone and i realize that i have what looks like a number of missed calls from you now what i realized later is the way that my iphone displays unless i clear the cash i will have every missed call for the last eight months or every text message alert the push notifications that come in on my main screen just stay there until i you know tell my phone to clear that out so in other words i was seeing some just old missed calls from you texts from various people but i couldn't process this all in my brain in this moment all i knew is i opened my eyes i didn't know what time it was i looked down at my phone i had what appeared to be a number of missed calls from you and other people and i looked at the clock and i was trying to do the math i think it was maybe like it was like three o'clock here or something and i was trying to do central time and pacific standard and all i knew was that i had slept through tbtl and now last week we were supposed to start early one day and I totally forgot and was out on my jog so I you know I've been kind of carrying around a little guilt around that that's very unprofessional of me

00:14:53 - 00:14:59 | Speaker 2:

and I just woke up and I well I won't let you forget it I mean that's well that's the thing too that's the thing bring it up

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I'm like, well, okay, I'll talk to you tomorrow if you're there.

00:15:03 - 00:16:54 | Speaker 2:

Right, exactly. So I was like, I just, I woke up, I couldn't figure out, it reminded me of when I used to do morning radio, and I would get so little sleep because I had to get up at like 3 in the morning or 3.30 or something crazy, and I didn't go to bed at the right, I wasn't, I was like 20, I wasn't self-disciplined enough to go to bed at like 6 p.m. I used to like take a nap sometimes in the middle of the day, And the alarm would start going off And I remember looking at the alarm clock And not being able to process What that information meant Like as it's going off Like it's And I'm looking at it I'm going I know that sound indicates Something is supposed to happen next But I don't know what that next thing is I don't know What that thing is Is that shrieking at me Like I would be in such a fog From exhaustion This felt almost like that Because I woke up I'm like what time is it Where am I I look at my phone I have all these missed calls from you I immediately write this Story that I somehow slept through the show I'm running around the Hotel room like a maniac trying to like I don't know get like the Equipment together I don't even really know what I'm doing But I immediately call you because I'm imagining you just sitting by your computer Waiting and waiting And waiting for me and you answer the phone Like hey what's up and I launch into probably A minute solid Apology I don't know what happened I laid down for a nap my alarm didn't Go off and then after After I got that out of my system, there's just long silence from you on the other line, probably trying to make sense of what your colleague is saying to you. And you go, we already did the show. And it was like it was it was like it was an extremely you were very nice about it. But it was like I could I could sense also the confusion in your voice of trying to understand what I was taught, what I was on about.

00:16:54 - 00:17:08 | Speaker 1:

Well, I could tell, I mean I think I didn't know how to respond Because I had a sense of what was going on That you probably felt, I mean I can't explain it, it was You didn't rattle on for an entire minute It felt like forever, I'm sure it did

00:17:08 - 00:17:48 | Speaker 2:

And you not talking, because you were just letting me You were just letting me go For a minute, you not talking was also In my mind indicating you were really mad Oh In my crazy, in my I guess we're not supposed to say fugue state anymore I don't know if that's true In the mania of what was going on in my mind, the fact that you were also not responding, because I think you were just trying to understand what I was talking about. I was reading that as I have, well, I've definitely torpedoed Too Beautiful to Biz. I mean, this is over. The show's probably done June 30th off of my behavior. And so you're just waiting for me to explain myself or whatever. And I was just like digging this hole deeper. That's what it felt like on my side of the call.

00:17:48 - 00:17:51 | Speaker 1:

We did put a hold on your debit card for now.

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I think just to be safe.

00:17:53 - 00:19:30 | Speaker 1:

Just to be safe, I was going to say I could tell you exactly when you called us around 2.30. Now I'm looking at my phone log. You called me at 2.21 local time. So we had finished the show around noon. I remember this. And then I will admit to have taken too long of a lunch, and I was taking too long getting the show posted. Usually the show would be posted 2 p.m. Pacific time is what I consider to be the deadline. That's my goal every day. hopefully earlier but 2 p.m you can count on it being up there but you can't really count on it because sometimes i need to take a long lunch and eat some yakisoba which is what i did yesterday because i was starving anyway point is i remember seeing you call and the show wasn't quite posted yet um and i was almost wondering if you were calling to see if there's a problem with the show which is i mean you're not i don't think in the history of us doing this you've ever been like it's 221 why isn't the show on on the internet walsh but i was just like i just remember specifically like kind of realizing oh shit i gotta get the show posted it's kind of running late here and you called me we talked for exactly one minute and 28 seconds so i don't know the entirety that was the entire thing but when you start saying i'm so sorry at first i was like i have no idea what's going on and then i was like oh maybe he thinks he's talking to somebody else or called the wrong number or something i got the impression that you were disoriented and it probably was a sleep related thing and then i think i at some point by the time you were done talking i think i realized oh you you think that you slept in like somehow my brain made heads or tails of it in some way but i but the part the long pause was still like i still don't know how

00:19:30 - 00:19:35 | Speaker 2:

to respond to that right you know what i mean like it wasn't like i wasn't having a mental health

00:19:35 - 00:21:32 | Speaker 1:

crisis i just was kind of like well i didn't want to i seriously i mean i think part of it is well i'm not i don't want to make you feel bad but also it was like talking sort of to a sleep i think it was like talking to a sleepwalker maybe or if you caught somebody which i've never done before but if you if you you know live with somebody or maybe you are a sleepwalker yourself um and i know that you have to be kind of gentle around those situations it sort of felt like that and also it was relatable to me i won't go into the the long blow-by-blow version of this because I've told it on the show a couple of times but it reminded me of that time that me and my friend Tony stayed up all night it was one of the first times that we were working on some movie project or something we stayed up all night and it was a Saturday night into a Sunday and then at some point on Sunday afternoon I think we both accidentally both like just crashed out like he fell asleep on the porch I fell asleep on the couch inside then i thought i'd slept an entire night but it turns out i'd only slept a couple of hours i wake up i see that my clock says seven o'clock it's summertime in ohio one of my favorite musicals it's very you know still light outside so i throw on my work uniform i get on my mountain bike and i am racing to work so because i worked for my dad and the idea of showing up late for work like my dad doesn't what i say what was that phrase that i used the other day homie don't play that like showing up late for work my dad did not put up with that shit and so I remember just being terrified but also thinking like this is so weird I can't believe I slept in also why is the sun in a weird part of the sky like why are the shadows different and literally do you remember this I showed up at the work you know at my dad's shop everything was closed and locked I was so disoriented that I rode my bike across the street to get a paper or look at a newspaper to figure out what day it was and it was still sunday's paper turns out i'd only slept a couple of hours until 7 p.m i didn't oversleep to 7 a.m or 8 or whatever it was so anyway i've i've had that i've

00:21:32 - 00:22:02 | Speaker 2:

had that feeling before it's been well you were very diplomatic and i appreciated your tone it's like what don't wake up a sleepwalker yeah right it's like don't make a sleep apologize or feel bad for themselves in that moment although it is interesting how i went from being totally embarrassed that i had somehow slept through our record time to being totally embarrassed that i had forgotten we had just recorded a show sure yeah so the embarrassment really persisted but just it just shifted topics it was like frogger it just jumped off of a log that was sinking onto

00:22:02 - 00:22:11 | Speaker 1:

a lily pad that was also going to sink i i do feel like i miss some opportunities now that i think about it had i known this was coming if i could have been more thoughtful in the moment you could

00:22:11 - 00:22:18 | Speaker 2:

have gotten really gotten over on me god luke you're alive

00:22:18 - 00:22:31 | Speaker 1:

somehow i don't know get in your head so that you think you're a ghost it's the end of that movie with bruce willis where he's naked i don't know uh 12 monkeys i believe that's the one no

00:22:31 - 00:23:32 | Speaker 2:

how about um uh how about a little pedro pascal do you have do you do a pedro pascal impression like it's the last of us like basically you're just like you survived oh yeah oh yeah how are you how are you contacting me through this line like you could just make me think that something very apocalyptic has gone down and it's just do you think here's the real question if you and i were the last people on earth would we still do this podcast that's a really good question you imagine us just doing this show there are literally no listeners oh by the way last night on uh wait wait don't tell me in the um the bluff the listener round which is where there's One real news story and two pretend ones. Nagin Farsad, who was one of the other panelists, said, was making a joke about something that had very limited viewership, this YouTube channel. And she said, the tens of viewers. And I was like, oh, it's funny when we say it. It's hurtful when you say it.

00:23:32 - 00:24:04 | Speaker 1:

I've heard other pod... Didn't Michael Ian Black refer to his listeners as tens of listeners when he had his, I think what ended up being a sort of short-lived podcast i don't know five years ago i'm really i i'll tell you what he was on the show when i don't think we talked about that at the time i don't think he i don't think he realized that he was borrowing a joke that he'd already heard but i do think that it's not a coincidence that he probably was on the show while you're talking to your tens of listeners 10 years before he launches his podcast and thinks he came up with that himself i could

00:24:04 - 00:25:06 | Speaker 2:

see that just kind of dropped into the back of his brain i'm i don't you know there's i don't feel super confident saying a lot of things about this program but i will say i am going to guess we were the first podcast to call our listeners the tens of listeners only because we've been doing this for so long i just think it's just the lack of there was there was like a thousand podcasts when we started as a radio show and it was a long time ago i'm pretty confident to say that we we sort of we had that one speaking of um trademarks though we're going to talk in the top stories about this trademark fight between taco john's and taco bell which was also a topic last night on wait wait don't tell me that's always lucky for me when it's something that we meant to talk about on tbtl so i actually read all of the information and then it comes up on wait wait i bet you it's so annoying for everyone there including peter sagel the host Because in that mode, what I do is. I'm not being funny. I just shift into actual. I'm discussing it the way you and I would discuss it on TBTL.

00:25:06 - 00:25:07 | Speaker 3:

Like you're setting it up.

00:25:07 - 00:25:40 | Speaker 2:

Yes, I'm setting it up. I'm pointing out details. It's maybe lightly humorous, but it's not like set up, set up, punchline. You know what I mean? It's like it's not it's it's not what they're looking for, which is like a zinger. I'm not whizzing any smokers. I'm just going, well, isn't it interesting this aspect of the story, Peter? I'm just basically co-hosting TBTL with him, a TBTL nobody asked to be a part of. So that was me last night with this Welcome to my world Alright, speaking of the top stories Let's take a quick break And then when we come back, we will do those Here on TBTL, stay with us

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On your mark Get set Now ready Everybody rattle, dazzle

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Hey, let's thank some dazzling donors These amazing, generous Folks are keeping TBTL Going All these years later Ever since we invented the term tens of listeners, the tens of listeners have been supporting us financially. These dazzling donors are donating a dazzling amount of dough each month. I want to thank Joe Michael Wright, who's in Prescott, Arizona. I did Joe Michael the courtesy of pronouncing Prescott correctly, but then mispronouncing Arizona. But in the name of comedy. In the name of comedy. And wasn't it funny when I did that? Yes. sorry if i sounded distracted it's because i have these dazzling donor messages open in my email program which i don't usually look at during the show i don't have my email where i can see it for this exact reason but you email me the dazzling donor messages and so i'm reading it and then to the left i see uh-oh uh someone's name come in who is trying to schedule this conference call that i've i should have been on already once i was on an airplane and it got canceled and i had i'm not even kidding andrew there's something going on with me i had this rush it's it's not an issue everything's fine the call isn't until monday but i saw the name come in i thought am i supposed to be on a call with them right now like like because i i the problem is i've been in too many time zones lately i think it's i have some kind of uh time zone brain fog or something let's get back to joe michael wright in prescott arizona joe michael says you guys along with jen and sean have been constant companions for the better part of 15 years. During that time, I lost both of my parents and my favorite cat, Ramsey. Oh, man. Sorry, Joe Michael. That's a lot to deal with. I moved away from my beloved Denver, and I had to survive in Amarillo for three years before making it to Arizona. See, Joe Michael likes the same kind of comedy. Joe Michael knows what's up. That's why he supports the show. I also got married, and I opened a business. hugo's colorado beer and spirits what tens get over there get at prescott arizona and hugo's colorado beer and spirits and now i live literally in a national forest with our two new kittens dr emmet and murphy brown those are good cat names wait dr m is that like dr emmet brown from

00:28:12 - 00:28:16 | Speaker 3:

back to the future no i have that oh i didn't think of that i don't know who's dr emmet do

00:28:16 - 00:28:22 | Speaker 2:

you think i don't know who dr emmett is i don't i do know who murphy brown is is dr emmett brown

00:28:22 - 00:28:27 | Speaker 3:

oh yeah that is the that is the name it's emmett oh i see dr emmett and murphy brown because

00:28:27 - 00:28:32 | Speaker 2:

yeah they have the same last name i think so i think the last name is brown and the okay that

00:28:32 - 00:28:38 | Speaker 3:

would make sense yeah i said i think i might be discussing that out correctly if not my apologies

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joe michael and dr emmett and murphy brown now i i really like i think there's something very um instructive about what joe michael is saying in this message talking about how there can be seasons in our life that are really really hard and really trying like you the loss of loved ones whether those are humans or pets or you name it and i think you can feel in those moments like this is how it's always going to feel and this is going to be the rest of our life but then like look at what's going on for joe michael now living literally in a national forest married kittens hugo's colorado beer and spirits you know uh i just it's it's really encouraging to hear how this is where joe michael's life uh has has ended up it's a good message for all of us when we're going through hard stuff to know that it's not how it has to be for ever and ever in our

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life and also i would say nobody tell the rangers because i also imagine that the park rangers are constantly chasing joe michael and his family around trying to catch him like yogi the problem

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is Joe Michael needs to stop stealing picnic baskets. That's the issue. Hey, boo-boo. I saw an awful lot has happened in my world since I saw a banner for TBTL on iTunes back in, I believe, September of 2008. No idea why I clicked that banner. Insert snarky... response from luke here what my snarky response is we gotta i gotta dig out that email figure out who the hells can put us back on the front of itunes i used to be like a a sort of every maybe four or five months occurrence for us um because i in fact you know who used to this is way way way in the weeds but scott simpson from uh i think put this on the podcast and that other one that he did with merlin nice today yeah you look nice today and then there was another one that they did that was merlin man scott simpson and one other person and they came in live it was a um

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it was that was those were the three you look nice today guys okay but there was one there was

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okay but there was one other one that they did or that that scott was involved with that had to do with like file management or something that merlin man was was that all part of um max fun

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i think so i'm not entirely sure about that i just know that i used to listen to you look nice today a lot that was one of my early favorite podcasts and they all had fake names i'm looking at it now lonely sandwich scott simpson and hot dogs ladies and i think they all met over twitter or some sort of social media it might have i think this is before twitter but i think that you know they

00:31:17 - 00:32:06 | Speaker 2:

brought their handle their social media handles with them i see um well scott simpson's day job was he was the person who put who got to decide like he I think he like ran podcasting for for Apple at the time which probably was like I don't know where this is going I know it's like if you run podcasting for Apple now you won't be like you're a king maker but um he was like they came and did TBTL when we were still a radio show they just like hung out in the studio with us and when they left he was like hey if you ever want us to throw up a tile for you let me know And then it was like Then Scott moved on to a new job But he said oh but here's the new person And then I would email the new person And then that person left And they were like but here's the new person And I had for like probably five or six people I would get the email of who the new person was And then I lost the thread

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I mean so much has changed I mean just so god damn much has changed In this industry I bet you have to pay for that now I wonder about that But I mean it's just we're living in Conan O'Brien and Barack Obama's podcasting world now my friend and Meghan Markle

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so that's not a snarky response Joe Michael but it is my real response which is man those were the salad days when we could just I could just shoot someone an email and be like hey could we be in the on the front of iTunes today and they're like sure Joe Michael says I'm so glad that I did click on that thank you guys so much for always being out there with a new audio blanket to wrap up in daily it's always the best part of the day love y'all power out ah joe michael we love you and really appreciate uh you hanging with us for all these years um we'll come visit you in prescott yeah sometime in your secret location that the parks parks department is not supposed to know about and definitely support hugo's colorado

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beer and spirits if you're in the area yeah man maestro on your mark on your mark get set get set We've also got to thank Sarah Reyes

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From San Diego, California Sarah says, thanks Luke and Andrew For filling our home with delight For the last 10 plus years You and the 10s have been a I hope she's not talking about the Michael Ian Black listeners I believe she's referring to the TBTL 10s

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I think so, and just to be very clear I have been sending Sarah and her family A lot of Sunny Delight So when it says filling the home with delight It's because I have been Incessantly sending them gallon Jugs of Sunny D

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But I've been sending them lots of purple junk

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Oh purple junk That was Kool-Aid right That was like I don't know what they were

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Specifically dissing but like That was one of the few like me and my buddy Peter Williams used to make these Silly movies you know cause he had like a video camera and they were pretty terrible except we once did a whole like sunny d ad for the purple junk oh for like a yeah like a premise being because it's like the fridge opens and it's like i don't know if it's the kid i think it's the kid is like listing what they have in the fridge it's like milk out of purple stuff purple junk sunny d and they're all excited i think you're right what is stuff though by the way i think they're like what if they were what if the per the kit one kid was like oh purple stuff my favorite and the whole commercial ends up being for purple stuff i don't know for two sixth graders it's not the lowest i like comedic premise i like it here

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we go so we see a bunch of so we see a bunch of teams they've been out on the beach i mean this is so like um 90210-ish, or what's the one where they all hang out at the, what's the one? Saved by the Bell. This is that era. So these, you know, California teens are playing Frisbee on the beach. They're walking down the sidewalk. They're all hot. They're coming home. We see these shots of the mom stocking the fridge at home full of Sonny D. Yeah, they're home. We got soda, OJ, purple stuff, and two kinds of Sonny D. Some kids love the rich and talented. Oh, man. Yeah, I'd take some purple stuff over Sonny D. No offense, Sonny D. I know.

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The Sonny D is not orange juice, right? It's something else.

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It's not orange juice, but it's also thick. It's just like to see these guys coming in from the hot sun all sweaty and wanting to down a glass of Sonny D or potentially drink it straight from the bottle, Alex P. Keaton style. Ugh. Too much. It creates too much phlegm, Luke.

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sarah says you and the tens have been a thread of connection comfort and community through seasons of joy and seasons of struggle this is a theme today in the messages i was just just reflecting on what joe michael was saying um uh we uh you're our favorite source of date night gossip so first thank you uh so very much since we have the chance though i also want to shared that my husband, Jared, has taken the leap at the ripe age of 41 to start a band and release an album. It would mean the world to me if you and the tens would check out his band Threadwood spelled like T-H and then Redwood and give it a follow. He's been writing his music for 20 years and in my biased opinion, he's really, really great. Think Bon Iver meets Wilco. Those are two. I'm a power user of both of those products. We are hoping for the first singles to be in Spotify by early May. But in the meantime, I'm sure he'd love the 10s to check out their website, which is Threadwood.com. Again, that's T-H-R-E-D-W-O-O-D.com. Threadwood.com. Thank you both again for all the joy. Power out. And then last but not least, Sarah says, this doesn't feel like it does our gratitude justice. but perfection is the enemy of done.

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I think that I forgot to scratch. I think these were just internal comments. I don't think we need to read the rest of this. But here's what I do think is interesting here. Sorry, there's another field where you can send a little comment in to, like, I like it. I feel like it's the DVD extras. I'm into it. But here's what's going on here. I grabbed this the other day, and I had it scheduled to read, I think, for yesterday's show, and then totally coincidentally, totally coincidentally um i woke up yesterday and i had an email from none other than jared saying hey uh listener to the show here i uh have my first album out and the first single has just dropped i'd love to tell the tens about it i'm like dude actually i'm telling him now dude because i don't think i responded to the email sorry jared um i was like oh my god well let's just pair these up let's let's make this the music for your weekend today when we get to that segment and so we can thank our dazzling donor and celebrate their music so later on today

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we're going to play elliot's song by threadwood nice well um congratulations jared on uh putting the album out yeah that's a that's a pretty big undertaking um and i'm also that's inspiring to me as well just that you know i'm 47 so i've got a few years on jared but like i like hearing about people doing things creatively and otherwise as they're moving into their 40s and 50s and 60s because sometimes i worry that i have sort of stalled out creatively i mean outside of like

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what we there is some creativity outside of literally everything that you do and that you

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can't keep the day straight i'm not trying new there there was a long time where i really was trying to write a book or i thought maybe i could write a screenplay or a shout and murmur i used to just do a lot of i would have my regular jobs and then i would also do things that were extra creatively stimulating i felt like i was kind of brimming with ideas and i feel like the ideas have certainly like we've taken this uh pot off of the burner and all of that all that frisson or whatever you call it all that activity is kind of simmering down stew um but i don't want that to be the case so i'm i'm i'm encouraged and inspired to hear about jared and threadwood um putting putting music out there um so we'll hear that at the end of the show and thanks again to our dazzling donors today for keeping tbtl going we could not do this without you hello and welcome to top story all right can we start with the story of boot girls you sent me this and i was so glad you did because i had seen these people on tiktok um and i didn't really understand the full story and the full story is actually very interesting this was the way you

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sent me andrew was a piece actually from npr um by fernando alfonso the third and fernando is doing sort of a ride along with these with these two women in atlanta who declined to be identified for a reason that will become clear they go by boot baby and boot shysty are we still saying

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shysty by the way you know i i look when i was reading this i looked that up i think it's close to an anti-semitic word but i don't think the word itself is in fact i could be wrong about this but it sounds like shysty might actually be a yiddish word whereas there's another word very

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close to it which is obviously right there's one that's yeah because i remember they called joe burrow joe shysty right right right right yeah isn't that aren't we anyway anybody if anybody's

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more in the know on that educate us but i think that's where i landed after doing a little googling

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basically and they they were they're wearing balaclavas which by the way are just way in style now like i see people in the airport wearing balaclavas like because like louis vuitton balaclavas and i'm like i know it's a style look but boy you wear a balaclava into the airport like you're you know you're asking for some amount of scrutiny yeah it looks like like that eric bana movie munich or something it's like this is you know there's some backstory on covering almost everything on your face anyway they're doing it because they don't want to get uh outed because what they're basically doing is going around and unlocking boots that have been put on people's cars um and uh i i don't know exactly i'm not sure exactly how you contact them they're sort of like the a-team right they escape to the atlanta underground right where they work as

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soldiers of fortune wow they're a lot like the 18 holy cow if you need help and if you can find

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them and maybe you can get the boot girl anyway they go around the largely the buckhead neighborhood of atlanta and if your car gets booted they will show up with one of these boot keys which i found out from this story you can actually buy and they'll unlock your boot and they put these videos on tiktok and they've got like 85 000 followers or something now can i jump in with

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what i think is to be a very key part of the story something i did not know before reading this story and really i guess the point of the npr take on this is we are not talking about the city like parking enforcement putting a boot on your car i've lived in cities where i've seen that boston did that um seattle does that i think i don't know if they still do it but you know let's say that you've racked up so many parking tickets that by the time the parking enforcement officer sees your car for the hundredth time and writes another parking ticket and you're not going to pay it they'll just put a goddamn boot on your car and you can't drive it away until you make things right with the city this is different apparently atlanta or or maybe i can't remember luke maybe you do in georgia as a whole or maybe just atlanta um they are allowed like private industry private businesses are allowed to boot your car so if you're parked illegally if you own let's let's say a brewery why would i choose the word that i can't say let's say you own a small restaurant that also served a world years right exactly let's say you own a brewery called inimitable indefatigables um hey actually i had to think about it yeah that was pretty solid to do myself anyway point is um and let's say you're parking on private property for a long time like or whatever or not a long time the private business can put a boot on your car and that's who these people are freeing because then once you're in that system you're like dealing with private industry hiring some sort of private company putting boots on your car racking up fines that are ridiculous and this has nothing to do with the city exactly that's a huge distinction

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And that is why I find these folks to be heroes. Like, you know, I have my problems with municipal parking enforcement as well. And I think extremely expensive tickets, as I usually say on the show, it's very expensive to be poor, having had no money in college and lots of parking tickets. I mean, it's life ruining. I just don't think it's the best way for cities to fund their operations. But that being said, there is some sort of like legal standing there and reason why a city might say you can't just have like a thousand unpaid parking tickets. This is a totally different thing. I guess in this article they mentioned that Atlanta, Decatur and Union City are among a small handful of cities in Georgia or even nationwide that allow booting on private property by private companies, of which there are about 30 operating in the state. So basically what happens here – this is – I have very limited patience for this. These private tow companies or I guess even just business owners who sort of cruise these parking lots – I mean there was a big problem with this. seattle where let's say you have a strip mall and um you don't want people just parking there endlessly well some towing company comes along goes hey do you want us to like quote unquote protect your lot they'll go yeah so then they put up these signs but they have pretty much total carte blanche to pull up tow your car and then they have your car and there is very very little you can do legally to prove that you were legally parked or that you know you just end up paying them this kind of like extortion fee to get your stuff back because as they say possession is nine tenths of the law and once there's a boot on your car that you can't get off or your car is behind razor wire somewhere it's like they've just got you and um and and most people are not able to you need your car back to continue with your life so you end up it's it's just very very exploitative in my opinion and so what they're doing is going around and liberating cars from boots that have put it been put on there by people where there's not any real due process associated with this this is just some person said i don't think this car should be here or hey i want to make some extra

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money let me boot this car yeah you know i've wondered about that like what about towing let's say that somebody just straight up parked in my driveway maybe i live near an event center or not like for whatever reason somebody just parks in my driveway and i don't have any recourse do i just call the tow truck company myself and if so do i have to pay out for this or do does the tow truck company do it like kind of on spec knowing that like well now right we have this person's car and we'll get their money out we'll get our money from them and probably rack up impound fees but if that's the case like i feel like there's no checks or balances to that system couldn't people be like what if a couple gets in a fight yeah and like has the other one tow the other's

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car or what have you i don't know the rule on that but it again to me that the the problem is that there's not a there's just not a good system in place to to challenge whether or not the the towing of your car was lawful like and and because the tow companies have these big fences with a bunch of concertina wire across the top of it it's like once they have your car they've already won the battle like maybe you could hire go hire an attorney and maybe you could litigate it in small claims court but nobody has the time or money or energy for that so it's just it's one of those things where there's no way to prove that it was wrong what they did to you or it's very hard to prove and yeah i mean if i don't know if you're allowed to call i don't know if you're allowed to call the tow truck on somebody who's on your property one of the things that this attorney points out for for some people who have basically been booted before in atlanta is that essentially the law that the let's say the property owner is using is a trespassing law they're basically saying that the car is trespassing but then they're locking it with a boot and the attorney points out that it's the only time where the way you're punishing somebody for trespassing on your property is making them stay there longer like it kind of makes no intellectual sense right exactly

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this person was stealing candy from me the punishment is we're going to give them all the candy well that's sort of the punishment i guess in the 80s when kids were caught smoking right did you have kids in your class who made that claim that like they're i heard that that legendary

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story i was never um that didn't ever happen to me my dad did catch me smoking cigarettes one time but he did not do the famous so you got to smoke a carton of cigarettes yeah he just looked at me with deep disappointment this was when i was probably like in sixth or seventh grade we would hang out on top of the bathhouse theater at green like i don't know if when you and v's walk green like have you ever noted where the bathhouse is that little theater yep yep we would climb up on top of that like just i was a real real wild kid between like sixth probably like fifth and eighth grade once i got into eighth grade i got into organized sports like school sports so then i was mostly at practice or a game it kind of actually probably helped correct my trajectory but between like fifth and about eighth grade i would hang with these older kids and we would just all we would do would be vandalize shit to find cigarettes a shoplift from the albertsons by green lake and then climb on top of the bathhouse theater and smoke cigarettes and one time it was like a i think it was like a wednesday night in the summer we were supposed to go to church we would go to like bible study in the middle of the week at night and i just remember being on top of the bathhouse smoking a cigarette and just looking over and seeing my dad just standing on the ground staring at me and just being like oh man i'm busted i don't think i don't

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i don't think i knew that you messed around with cigarettes really at all but you probably never in a habitual way like me because i know i regularly to this day i'm afraid of inhaling like i never inhaled the cigarettes oh that sounds like a bill clinton thing but like seriously i would just i was just trying to be cool it was the classic thing of i wanted to do what the older kids were doing and seem cool and what they were doing was smoking on cigarettes so i would have a cigarette in my mouth i would be inhaling none of the smoke i took zero enjoyment from it but it seemed like a cool thing to do do you know i don't

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know if we've talked about this on the show or not but did you know that um led zeppelin performed at green lake in 1969 i believe the the grateful dead did as well and there might even be bootleg copies of that because of the culture of bootlegging live shows but um and i've even looked this up to make sure i'm right i've learned this in the past few years i think when i was

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living in roosevelt maybe i was does it say where like did they play did they play at the

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aqua follies it was exactly that's exactly what it was because i don't think that part is around anymore right it was called the aqua theater where the aqua follies and other like kind of

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water based are still there yeah the where the crew teams practice they still have that big kind of stadium seating thing right is that still there i don't i didn't think the stadium seating

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was still there but i might be misremembering and i used to walk around that all the time when i lived in my old apartment but um they you know no there is still some seating it just doesn't look like what i'm looking at here on right i think it was way built out yeah i think it was way bigger before whereas there's still some yeah this is this is like a huge like um curved i don't know what you call that amphitheater kind of style uh seating and it's not that big anymore but yeah led zeppelin and i'm looking it up here it was may 11th 1969 so that's only you know a few months after their very first record came out and so they're not a worldwide sensation yet but they i think that they're pretty damn popular i can't read this on the fly and comment on it but i feel like i feel like either them or the dead kind of put an end to those kinds of shows at green lake i could be making that last part up as it got too wild it maybe got a little bit wild yeah

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yeah um god that's like that would have been amazing amazing to see by the time i was hanging around those parts it was no longer led zeppelin it was the milk milk carton derby they still do that that thing is fun so it was like you had to build boats you had to build boats that used milk cartons as the flotation and people build all kinds of crazy cool contraptions and then get out in the water right there at that sort of area that's also where peter and i um are we decided to form what we called a buff club this is when we had decided to put down the video camera and our ways of trying to be almost live and we're focusing more on girls now we wanted to get buff and so we decided that every day we were going to like run around green lake and we were going to like do push-ups and run up and down the stairs of where the aqua follies had been and we called

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it buff club that's such a one day that's such a thing but but that idea of like creating a club dedicated to something me and my friend Tony started the rubber band for a while where we were making our own guitars out of boxes and rubber bands he had his own guitar a couple of guitars at this point but we were obsessed with creating the rubber band we're tuning our rubber band guitars by the way i want to read to you this is really good writing so this is from history link.org but also heavily quoting from the seattle post intelligencer um this is going to be a little bit of a long pull quote from me here luke i'll try not to stumble too much but i think it's good the seattle post intelligencer reported that on that sunny day quote several thousand of the whimsically clad and nearly unclad younger set attended but that only about half the crowd paid for their entry tickets the rest quote uh bent their freeloading ears on the amplified sounds from a variety of places some roosted in the trees many crowded onto one small dock it submerged slightly a flotilla of canoes rented rowboats and rubber rafts surrounded the backside of the stage where a few also treaded water a hundred perched on the roof of a concession stand and a thousand or so sprawled out on the lawns around the theater forming a wall-to-wall carpet of human bodies the audience was everywhere the benches in the aqua theater were filled to overflowing several energetic souls treaded water in the pool between the stands and the stage there were even two swimsuit clad fellows perched atop the roof of one of the diving towers this sounds like a day

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can you imagine and there this wasn't that long ago people you know i'm sure that some of those folks are still with us sure just being like i kayaked up to led zeppelin like i kayaked up to behind led zeppelin like just like john bonham or something on drums like just putting dynamite in his bass drum right just like at green lake like that is so cool that is amazing i didn't i don't

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think i knew that there too yeah interesting and also like for people who are interested when i first heard this story several years ago somebody told me that the grateful dead played they're around the same time too and again because the Grateful Dead is so like because their followers and fans are so into, like, kind of the bootlegging experience, I am pretty sure on, like, archive.org or some such site, you can actually listen to the Grateful Dead's performance at Green Lake.

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That's very cool. I wish they did that still. Like, I mean, I don't know. Maybe the youth are going to other places in Seattle to see things. But, I mean, it would be very cool if they were still having, like, concerts down there and doing things like that. They used to have the Bite of Seattle at Green Lake when I was a kid. When I was a very little kid It used to be at Green Lake

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That's different now right now it's like you go to restaurants And they have certain prefix menus

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Oh did they get rid of the like thing Where you go stand around with all the Because it used to be I actually worked The Bite of Seattle a few years when I worked For Bumpy's Fruit and Yogurt But it's like you rented your little Spot and it's sort of like food Trucks before we did that a lot and then You'd have like every restaurant in Seattle That had the money for it would be down there making some Like kind of quick version of their food And then you could supposedly walk around and sample like multiple places. That was kind of the idea behind it.

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You know what? It looks like Bite of Seattle still exists. And I think I'm confusing it with Restaurant Week, which is something different that I've done before.

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Not to be confused with Restaurant Wars, which is one of my favorite episodes of Top Chef every season. Is that true? That's a thing? Yeah. Oh, it's great. They basically make the contestants. They team them up. So they divide the whole group of them into two groups. And then each one has to like open a restaurant from basically scratch. Like figure out the decor Figure out what the menus look like Figure out what's on the menu Make all of it And then serve like 300 people And it's always There are always tiers It's great Speaking of restaurant wars Andrew this is actually a very convenient segue Into this thing with Taco Bell and Taco John's Apparently the Taco John's franchise of taco places Which I guess is mostly in the Midwest Did you grow up with Taco John's? No Where you were?

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I didn't I don't think I'd heard of it until you and I started trekking to, you know, Minneapolis, St. Paul for work stuff, I guess, eight years ago. And so I always thought Taco John's was like kind of specifically a Minnesota thing. But it's not. It's actually like it's a different Midwestern state like Wyoming or something. It's not Wyoming. But, yeah, I guess it's those like truly Midwestern states that have Taco John's.

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They apparently have I think it's like 400 locations in 23 states. By the way, this is another – we're all over that NPR.org stuff today. This is from Ayanna Archie writing for NPR's website. So I guess Taco John's has the term Taco Tuesday trademarked. They did this back in 1989. And Taco Bell say that they should be able to also use the phrase. Their lawsuit or their whatever it is – I guess they filed a petition with the Patent and Trademark Office. They say that the registration potentially subjects Taco Bell and anyone else who wants to share tacos with the world to the possibility of legal action or angry letters if they say Taco Tuesday without expressing permission from registrant simply for pursuing happiness on a Tuesday. This is what Taco Bell said in their filing. This violates an American ideal, the pursuit of happiness. Nobody should have the exclusive rights in a common phrase. Can you imagine if we weren't allowed to say what's up or brunch chaos? End quote. That's from Taco Bell. Now, if you hear that quote and you realize there's some PR stuntery going on, you would be correct.

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That's what I was going to say. I know that I'm the one who sent you the story and we're playing into it as much as anybody else. But this is clearly one of those things where the headlines are paying for all of this legal. Whatever legally happens to this, both of these companies win by getting their name in the headlines. Shows like us talking about it. Talk about Taco Tuesday. The idea of tacos are now in our brains. Probably many of us will eat tacos this weekend because of this conversation.

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and taco bell is not actually asking for anything in this as far as like they're basically just doing this as a stunt and taco john's interestingly enough is also not asking for anything from taco bell because they're also looking to maximize this uh a response from the taco john ceo jim creel said i'd like to thank our worthy competitors at taco bell for reminding everyone that taco Tuesday is best celebrated at Taco John's and then they said when it comes right down to it we're lovers not fighters at Taco John's but when a big bad bully threatens to take away the mark our forefathers originated so many decades ago well that just rings hollow to us if living moss means filling the pockets of Taco Bell's army of lawyers we're not interested now here is the thing that I thought was weird Taco Bell is also petitioning something called Gregory Hotel incorporated, which holds a

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trademark for the phrase taco tuesday in new jersey new jersey is the only place that taco

01:00:07 - 01:00:20 | Speaker 2:

only state and hold it and someone else holds it i didn't realize i mean isn't like something like that a trademark isn't wouldn't it apply to all 50 states is it state by state i think so i don't

01:00:20 - 01:00:33 | Speaker 1:

know i'm the wrong person to ask but i do know that one of our uh lawyers named danny has registered disposable media for us in new hampshire but only in new hampshire where danny resides and works i

01:00:33 - 01:01:01 | Speaker 2:

believe uh taco bell seeks no damages it simply seeks reason and common sense said taco bell so this just feels like one of those things where taco bell saw i i'm wondering if taco bell had really leaned into taco tuesday sort of you know using it as their big promotional thing i wonder if they if there was any real chance that taco johns would go after them over that if they were trying to sort of get in front of something or if they just identified a chance to

01:01:01 - 01:02:00 | Speaker 1:

get some earned media and they went for it well when can we trace the well i don't know if you heard that but my water bottle just decided to pop open for no reason that scared me um i'm okay uh but like sometime in the past 10 years the idea of tacos got like really popular in the same way maybe not in the exact same way but sort of like hot dogs did like you know me i love my hot dogs i've been talking about it well since you've known me probably but then it got a little played out because everything was like talk you're like hot dog this and hot dog that and somehow like it just started to become like kind of very meme-y and trendy and i feel like tacos sort of took a version of this ride over the course of the past again 10 15 years or something but like the idea of taco tuesday i feel like the origins of that might go to like school lunches in the 80s right did you have taco tuesdays i'm trying to see if i actually remember that or if i'm just surmising here

01:02:00 - 01:02:29 | Speaker 2:

you know i could it would make sense right you're looking for something alliterative um we didn't have the the last time that i had like proper cafeteria style school lunch was when i went to daniel bagley elementary school a second daniel bagley reference in as many days i believe on this program but um we had something called macho nachos we never had tacos but we had macho nachos and let me tell you when i saw macho nachos on the menu i knew that was a day that i

01:02:29 - 01:02:36 | Speaker 1:

was stealing hot lunch you kids should not have to steal lunch um i know well it was my dad you

01:02:36 - 01:03:02 | Speaker 2:

know we definitely qualified for free lunch but my dad was like well we have you know you you can take a lunch that your mother packs for you and i would get they would buy me the lunch card that had like maybe eight lunches on it and that would be for like i don't know half of the school year would be my job to figure out what eight days do i want to get the hot lunch but i'd burn through that like very quickly which is when i developed my uh stealing hot lunch system can speaking of

01:03:02 - 01:04:13 | Speaker 1:

me being kind of ahead of things like with you know let's say hot dogs i was talking hot dogs before the rest of the world did yeah i mean whatever hero sure um did you in school lunches i've been talking for a long time about how i really love square pizza like there's something special to me about eating square pizza i've talked about in the show a lot i told you that i got some like kind of cheap square pizza from some red robin plug-in a while back um and that A lot of people were writing in to say, oh, yeah, that's called Detroit style pizza. And like now, have you noticed that's the trend? Like it's like big, thick, square cut Detroit pizza. I like the square pieces, but I got one of some not like whatever at a bar that I go to that sort of is like whatever. It's Supreme Pizza on the app. It used to be Pagliacci's. And they're just like, you know, it's not that special of a place. It's not some upscale place at all. It's a low scale place. but you know like i noticed that they now have this big puffy square detroit style pizza and i'm seeing memes about it i had one piece it was too thick for me too much yes too much crust yeah yeah but i still like a square shape but like it's it's a whole thing now square square slices

01:04:13 - 01:05:00 | Speaker 2:

yeah it's definitely the trend there's this place ranch pizza in portland where actually my brother worked for a little while that um is very popular and they do that now i will give them credit theirs is the crust is so buttery in a good way that it's it's very delicious and rich but it's it doesn't feel overly doughy to me this one i had was way too doughy but for me just generally like that's not yeah that detroit style is not what i am going for and when i lived in bellingham uh carrie and i used to go to this place called fat pie pizza which i think is no longer there and i don't know if this is what led to the divorce but i'm saying it played a role which was she always wanted to get they didn't do by the slice and she would always be like i want to get detroit style and i had

01:05:00 - 01:05:16 | Speaker 1:

be like that's too much crust for me so we'd and she would also eat three bites of her detroit style pizza and i'd have to get a separate pizza that was of the thickness that i was looking for and that was you know i think that was a leading indicator of stuff right absolutely and then

01:05:16 - 01:05:21 | Speaker 3:

and then she cheated on you with the pizza uh exactly and then and that's really how it kind

01:05:21 - 01:05:26 | Speaker 1:

of all played i think that was almost bigger even a bigger maybe i mean i don't know the quality of

01:05:26 - 01:05:42 | Speaker 3:

the crust that wasn't a very good joke to say about a friend of mine i um i'm just thinking like there's steve martin has some bit and i'm trying to remember if it's even appropriate for me to say on the show but um yeah he does i have a joke that i can tell on the show that i'm excited

01:05:42 - 01:06:41 | Speaker 1:

about yeah go ahead okay so this guy walks into a bar he's got a dog with him and he tells the bartender i've got a talking dog here and the bartender goes that dog's not going to be able to talk and he goes yeah he goes um i'll tell you what the bartender says if you if you can prove that dog can talk i'll give you ten thousand dollars if i but if you can't prove that dog can talk i'm going to throw you and the dog right out that window the guy's like all right i'll take that deal so the guy puts dog up on the bar and he points to the he says what's what's on top of this bar what's on top of this building and the dog goes roof roof and then he points to the top of his mouth the guy does and he goes what's this called the dog goes roof roof and then he goes who's the greatest yankee hitter of all time and the dog goes roof roof and the bartender looks at him and says you are full of shit he throws him and the dog out the window and they're lying on the ground amidst all the broken glass and the dog has landed right on top of the guy and the

01:06:41 - 01:06:48 | Speaker 2:

dog looks at him goes do you think i should have said dimaggio that's a good joke that's a really

01:06:48 - 01:06:59 | Speaker 1:

good joke all right let's do a little music for your weekend before we head on out of here uh what are you interested in favoring the listeners with this week andrew well i'm interested in

01:06:59 - 01:08:08 | Speaker 3:

getting my spotify open here i forgot i should have seen this coming it is a friday um i am going to see um nation of language tonight at the crocodile at the croc right yes you played you played something from them you know what i well not recently but i might have played something for them i feel like this album maybe the it looks like they have two albums now but i'm only familiar with their first one which came out i think in the heart of the pandemic yeah it looks like this um their first album introduction comma presence came out in 2020 and i just really associate this album with um listening to it during the pandemic with genevieve playing a lot of this playing a lot of cards uh on the porch uh during the summer and listening to this record which is kind of a has a bit of a darker synth pop sensibility but I do love it and yeah they're playing tonight Genevieve got us tickets so heading down there to see that I'm gonna play this song which now that you say that I'm wondering if I've played this on TBTL before I'm not sure this song is called Automobile it's not all this ominous it's gonna kick in

01:08:08 - 01:08:38 | Speaker 4:

In the calm of a lover, I'm concerned I never deserve I never deserve In the night, I'm bleeding and she's hurt Never deserve

01:08:38 - 01:08:42 | Unknown:

Never deserve

01:08:42 - 01:09:20 | Speaker 4:

Tell me now that I always watch the world All right, there you go.

01:09:20 - 01:09:28 | Speaker 3:

I was just sorry to let it play so long. I was looking it up. We did play this on the show once way back in 2021. So now you get to hear it again. Yes. Automobile.

01:09:30 - 01:09:59 | Speaker 1:

I would like to, if you don't mind, Andrew, have you play a song from a performer that i just found out about named lauren early um i think we're talking about having her on livewire so the producers sent me some examples of lauren early's work and lauren early actually has an album that is dropping today called don't take my dream away and there is a song off of that album called good girl bad boy i probably listened to this song

01:10:00 - 01:10:44 | Speaker 2:

15 times yesterday, Andrew It's so good This is what Lauren Early says I wanted to make a sort of last splash A dookie, a Siamese dream She doesn't mean like number two That's like the Green Day record An album with absolutely no dead weight That takes you on a journey And adds another layer of joy, catharsis And vibes to your life Says Early I also have to say The video to this song is so great It's so good. Oh, my gosh. I don't want to oversell it. I've already probably done that, Andrew. But I have a feeling this is going to be maybe your new favorite singer. I think you're going to really be into the vibe. So can we hear a little bit of Good Girl, Bad Boy by Lauren Early? We can.

01:10:44 - 01:11:07 | Speaker 3:

I was going to play it off of Spotify, but now I want to see the video. So I'm looking to see if I can find it off of the video. I'm looking if I can find that here. Is it a there's a Florida Georgia Line song called Good Girl, Bad Boy. Is that what we're looking for? different are you sure it's not like kind of the same vibe okay i can't seem oh here i got the video up here i hope it doesn't have a long introduction i am excited okay

01:11:07 - 01:11:40 | Speaker 4:

am i an angel am i hysteric i don't care i love you i can't bear it I don't care if it's problematic. I don't care if it's a good dramatic. I'm a good girl.

01:11:43 - 01:11:56 | Unknown:

I'm a good boy. I'm a good girl. I'm a good boy.

01:11:58 - 01:12:15 | Speaker 4:

this is great right i love that line we're both trying to look forward but our eyes still meet in

01:12:15 - 01:13:07 | Speaker 2:

the corner that's a that is a clever line and yeah the video is really funny it's i believe lauren early and somebody else running around making mayhem in los angeles um just has a kind of a it does bring together a very essentially 90s it almost feels like he could have been like written by that band len who does steal my sunshine yeah meets beck meets a bunch of influences that i'm a fan of so that is yeah lauren early that's right up my good girl and i listen to i the the album actually i think i have believer in i think i have an embargoed version of the record from the pr company but i didn't realize that yesterday so i was just listening to other lauren early stuff on spotify there's like five or six songs out and they're all really good so i would recommend folks check that out um and for our listener suggestion this week uh we of course are going to be playing some of it's jared's music correct it's threadwood threadwood

01:13:07 - 01:13:14 | Speaker 3:

yes and the name of this song is elliot's song this is from our dazzling donor today jared

01:13:14 - 01:13:32 | Speaker 2:

all right well listen that's going to bring us to the end of our broadcast week uh thank you everyone for hanging out with us thanks for being part of tbtl we will be back here on monday with more imaginary radio for you so please do join us for that in the meantime have a great weekend stay safe and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

01:13:32 - 01:14:49 | Speaker 1:

hello son so nice to meet you i assume you found this box in the attic hitting somewhere near my vinyl song collection and you've probably all grown up with a family of your own or you're just starting a family or you're just now leaving home either way this letter finds you at a juncture in your life since us old things found in addicts tend to surface by surprise but just know that as i write this i am only 32 with a wife all super pregnant and on days from meeting you and i know i've made mistakes hell you've probably made a few but right now just Sit down. I am so damn proud of you. So live your life and live it well. Build a form that folk have found. Find a girl who loves your branches. And find a place to plant your roots. I never live too far from family Those you get and those you choose

01:14:49 - 01:14:54 | Speaker 3:

Well, I'll tell you one thing. I'm not eating at Taco John's. That's spicy stuff.

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Power out.

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