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I like it when I go traveling. I like to have a cell phone because it's really important to have a cell phone, especially when you're going to pretend like you're a business person. And I'm a business person, too. I'm a business person. I have pens. I have a checkbook, okay? And that's what I like to do. I like to go, like when they have a conference in the hotel, I like to go down and mingle with my cell phone, pretend like I'm there for the, yeah, uh-huh, yeah. Can you believe it? They let me out on bail. Yeah. Yeah, manslaughter, can you believe it? No, I did it. No, I did it. Anyways. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, I need 900 billion. No jillion.

TBTL.

Take a hot dog, stuff it with some jack cheese, fold it in a pizza. You got cheesy blasters. And then all the kids say, thanks, Meat Cat. And then Meat Cat flies away on his skateboard.

You know, what happened next was, you know, they'd open their mouth, they'd speak, they'd get laughed at, they'd get called Polacks, and they didn't want to go through that. You know, they wanted to get rid of that stigma.

There is something about the soul of a snake. I'm going to make you work for your dollar. Say something with that great radio voice.

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show. It just might be too beautiful to live.

Jalapeno!

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

Hi, everybody.

Coming to you once again from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon. Where I can't really tell you what the weather is because you're hearing this on a Wednesday. But we're recording it on a Tuesday and I am right now somewhere near Fayetteville, Arkansas. I should look up. I still need to pack. uh i'm gonna just sorry um if everyone can just hang on for a quick minute i want to check what the weather in fayetteville arkansas is going to be like let's see not federal way washington and not fayetteville north carolina uh let's see oh good it'll be it's gonna be uh cloudy and upper 80s so that's always a fun combination cloudy and pushing 90 degrees so that's what I'm enjoying right now as you're hearing this recording which by the way is episode 3956 in a collector's series let the fun begin coming at you here on the final day of May May 31st June is just around the corner and here we are together talking tbtl and netflix because netflix has officially started the process of cracking down on password sharing there are some interesting pieces elements of this article that i was reading about how they're doing it who's being hit by it and also some interesting netflix apologists that i would not have expected we'll get into that also um is there finally compelling evidence that maybe we should actually take off our shoes before we head into our house

or someone else's clean as your mama's forehead andrew and i are on the record as finding that

to be a little bit when you're a guest it's to me it feels a little infantilizing or something but there's a new article out um from some people from the epa and other such scientific type places uh weighing in on it so we will tell you what they're saying about taking your shoes off uh when you enter the home and uh we will talk to this guy he i'll tell you what he is speaking of the home i'm an activist and house party enthusiast he's the number one house party enthusiast i know and is also best known for his drawings of the tall ships uh their grace their power and all that intricate rigging he's andrew walsh he's joining me right now good morning my

friend good morning luke you know what i forgot to tell you what a while back a couple of weeks ago i totally put a strange usb device into my computer i'm not even joking i so is it your lucky day it was not i couldn't hack it's your lucky day i couldn't hack into it so here's the background on this story genevieve was walking to work one day now this goes back a ways this goes back um you know probably nine months ago she was walking to work across that um that walking bridge that'll take you from our neighborhood across the highway to the transit station. You know, as we mentioned, the foot of that bridge is on the campus of North Seattle College. And so a lot of pedestrian traffic there. And Genevieve found a phone on the ground. It's one of these giant, it's an Android, and it's big. It's bigger than mine. It doesn't matter.

though. That's not what's important about a phone. It's helping me visualize it. So it's one of those almost like a

phablet. It feels like a phablet to me. I hate saying that word, but anyway, I'm holding it now. Looks like a pump.

Feels like a phablet. Did you see those commercials as a kid? I don't think so. Looks like a pump. Feels like a sneaker? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the gals playing basketball in the

Yes, we talked about that on our commercial podcast not all that long ago. Yeah. Genevieve was really breaking down the way that The shots were kind of cut and blocked, and so you can see, like, were people really playing basketball in high-heeled shoes? The answer might surprise you. Anyway, so Genevieve found this phone, right? Now, Genevieve does the rightest things. Like, she wants to get this phone back into the hands of whomever dropped it. It looks like it does have, like, a couple of cracks in it, but nothing that would render it not usable, you know? And maybe those cracks even happened when it when it fell out of a bag or a pocket and landed on this concrete, you know, Genevieve, Luke, listen to this. She made signs. She made flyers and posted them around the bridge and around, you know, that area of that campus, just that small little footprint and said, like, hey, did you lose a phone? I have the phone like, you know, there's not a lot you can do. These phones are locked down, you know, so you can't get into it. You can't look at contacts. You can't, even if you're trying to do the right thing, it should make you feel good that these phones are so hard to hack because cut to two months ago, around the same exact time you lost your MixPre, Luke, maybe that was just a month ago in an airport, a similar thing happened to my friend and his phone. He lost his phone in an airport. I remember your whole kind of.

Do you think maybe they mailed my suits to the airport? and like they don't have my mix pre anymore but my suits are there and maybe your mix pre is down

in the mail room you should go look into it i'm gonna check but anyway i was like well you know what i'm gonna do genevieve did everything she could to get this phone back into the hands of the person who lost it that's just never gonna happen it's sitting in our house let me just try to wipe this phone clean factory reset it and maybe my friend can then get a new sim card or something i really don't know how this shit works but i'm like i'll just wipe the phone and get this

to him i after let me just make sure i'm following the the timeline um so after genevieve had made the signs after you'd basically done everything humanly possible to reunite the phone with the

owner it was basically declared a lost cause it's just been sitting in a drawer lost cause i forgot

we had it so so now it's like well maybe this can have a second life right helpful to somebody

exactly we find out our friend had just lost his phone he's you know he's not a man of great wealth So he's like trying to like figure out, does he, I think he thought his phone was in the Portland airport or he was able to track it. He knew it was there, but they weren't getting it back to him or whatever. And we're like, well, we can help. We found this phone. We'll get it to you and maybe you can hack it. And so I was like, well, maybe I'll hack it first. Maybe I'll like try to wipe it clean. I can't tell if it's purely just a security measure on this phone or if it's a security also combined with the fact that it might be malfunctioning. Because I was online reading all these tutorials, as you sometimes know I like to do when I get obsessed with a technological conundrum. And I just could not get this thing to kind of wipe itself clean and just, like, you know, become kind of a dumb phone again that he could put a SIM card into. And at one point, I'm like, well, what if I pop the SIM card out of this thing and just put it into a card reader? Next thing you know, I'm putting this into my – everything's fine.

And at no point in this process did a little – did a warning bell go off? No, it did. I was just like, it's fine. See, I don't know what's – I feel like I would be – well, I would be likely to do either one of those things, either completely just not remember that you're not supposed to do that or remember it but override it. So I get that impulse.

I just overrode it because it wasn't like – listen, I'm not saying that there couldn't have been something corrupt or bad on this card, but this was not a trick. Like, somebody didn't scatter a USB drive, you know, outside, you know, in a parking lot outside my car door hoping that I would do this. Like, I was going very deep on this phone. Somebody didn't drop a phone hoping that months and months later somebody will get so frustrated they'll pop the SIM card out or they'll, not the SIM card, but the little data card out and try to read it on their computer. Like, it just, the chances of this being having some sort of malware on it that would affect my computer network just seems so slim to me. golly though if they did wouldn't you honestly at that point have to tip your cap i mean i would have to tip my cap to who the it department at american public media no the person who laid that trap well sure yeah but i feel like i'd also have a lot of apology letters to write to the

people in my life who make me take it training i just like yeah like i think you're um i i think your hunch was correct presumably that there was this was not some kind of a setup to get into your into your computer so what ended up happening when you know they I think that they know that that's another way of like getting somebody's private data because I was like it won't read it won't read and I tried it on another computer then I was like after I tried it on my main computer I'm like well I should have put this on the junkie computer I have upstairs that I could take off I mean if you really wanted to do this that's how you should do it you should take an old computer you don't care about make sure it's not online anymore take it off the Wi-Fi then try it. I did that as a secondary thing after I tried it on my main computer that has my entire life on it and the thing I use to produce the show every day. The very existence of this podcast.

Yes, exactly.

That's what I tried it on first. But then as I was like, why can't I get into it? I'm like, oh, because it's another security measure. Like you can't just like it's I mean, this should make everybody feel good about their phone. Like if you have a password protected phone, somebody can't just take it and slip the card out of it and then just have all of whatever data you have saved on that card. So I don't know. I got this thing and I don't know what to do with it. It's just it's like it's kind of a brick. It's not even quite a brick. It'll boot up. And I keep trying to boot it up in safety mode. I just get obsessed with like, again, like it feels like a challenge to me. And then I feel like I'm Robert Redford in what's that? Hackers movie. Is it called Hackers? Sneakers. Sneakers. Have you watched that? my god this week at some point or this weekend just watch the first scene of that because i think that's all i've seen it is so hilarious it starts with a flashback where robert redford's supposed to be like a college-aged hacker in the 80s please tell me they don't actually use robert redford they do he's so old he's the oldest college student you've ever seen that's the only thing i remember about the movie i remember laughing so hard getting genevieve to

watch and then probably stop the movie there that's i mean i'm my guess would be that that movie is just full of all kinds of comic unintentional comedy gold because anytime that you're making a movie that is about whatever the absolute bleeding edge of technology is at that time i mean and this isn't even a criticism of them there's just no way that it's going to hold up and you're just going to be saying so many things that are going to sound really funny later i mean that's just that's just the risk you take when you make a movie about

hacking yes exactly and of course and this is the 80s like yeah i mean they're still trying but honestly it wasn't even the computer stuff it was just like come on you couldn't get somebody

to play a young robert redford i love it too because this is like after what was the movie where he is like a newscaster who falls in love with another is it like michelle pfeiffer and him are like a news team and they fall in love and i feel like maybe a michael bolton song from that soundtrack was like is it up close and personal 1996 maybe that's what maybe that's the movie but i guess that's a weird a very weird robert redford movie for me to pull i guess i'm just

trying to say this would have been before that though this would have been about 10 years i think like hackers was an eight or sneakers i think was an 80s movie let me make sure

because i guess and maybe and maybe this is um where i'm wrong like i just feel like even by the time that sneakers got made it was robert redford had already entered his playing a man of a certain sure age and middle and by the way let me just say robert redford is of course a stunningly handsome person and uh has uh you know he's been a stunningly handsome person for a long time and still is but so i guess you know he sort of could try to pull it off but i just feel like He had already, by this point, started playing middle-aged, if not old dudes in movies.

Yeah, so let's see here. So I'm wrong. Sneakers was 92. I thought it was an 80s movie. It was 92. This news movie that you're talking about also has Michelle Pfeiffer. So I think that is what you're talking about. That's the one I was thinking of. So that's only a few years later. It's four years later. But Redford was born in 1936. Oh, my gosh. So in – I'm terrible at math, but in – so in 96, he would have been 60 years old, right? Am I doing my math right on that? So in sneakers, he would have been like in his – he would have been in his like 50s. And for this flashback, he plays a college student.

Now, of course, these days, they could very easily – in fact, this is what they did with – who am I thinking of? They just did this with somebody. Oh, with Harrison Ford in the new Indiana Jones movie Which is They had so much footage of Harrison Ford When he was younger That they were able to I don't know if you would call it AI or not But they were able to go back I haven't seen the movie, I probably won't The Indiana Jones movies It was never my thing Even as a kid One, because I wasn't really allowed to see movies like that And when I finally did When I saw the Temple of Doom What I wish is I would have understood how racist it was But I didn't have those kinds of thoughts at that time But someone gets their heart pulled

out of their chest i found that so deeply terrifying as a like 12 year old that i was like no more for me so i never bonded with the indiana jones franchise like a lot of people did

but i liked him as a kid yeah that that temple of doom one obviously majorly problematic in a lot of ways but also really gross like he has to reach his hand or somebody has to reach their hands into a into a hole in the wall to pull a lever but i think in the in the hole in the wall it's like filled with insects or snakes or like all that snake all that gross somebody eat monkey brains supposedly i think so too yeah and again that's all part of this this mythos that is incredibly racist yeah exactly but i did i will say this i loved the third one i couldn't believe how much i loved the third movie in a because even that it was kind of like oh old indiana jones indiana jones and his dad sean connery right um and even then it was kind of like wow okay this is really going to put a bow on this franchise because he's getting older now and he's flying around with his dad I liked that one and when was that that did that come out in the in the early 90s maybe and like then they have that number four with Shia LaBeouf that was just like one of the worst things I'd seen in the theater and I think I saw Bowfinger in the theater

have they for the newer ones I mean I'm good it's like whatever the Shia LaBeouf one have they figured out a way to make it also not such like white colonial looting of artifacts

type situation I can't remember if they address that in number four or not I don't know I don't I don't think it's a big part of the plot, but I could be wrong about that.

See, this is so boring for the listeners. I'm also right now furiously scrolling because I had heard a rumor that they had actually – because Harrison Ford – I think Harrison Ford himself doesn't like snakes. And, of course, the character of Indiana Jones doesn't like snakes. And I had heard somewhere that they had actually had to, like, train some snakes so that they wouldn't actually bite him. Not that he was ever in danger of venomous snakes, but even non-venomous snakes as a defense mechanism might try to bite you. And, I mean, this sounds apocryphal because how could you do that? But I had heard probably on TikTok that they literally had, like, hatched these snakes from, like, little eggs and then trained them so that they would be somehow more docile or whatever. And that that was a, like, a condition that Harrison Ford created for them, for him to do the scene where he's covered in snakes.

But it does sound apocryphal. I will say, though, that I am the same way around snakes. I don't like to see pictures of people holding snakes, let alone being in the same room as a snake.

Oh, boy. Then you don't like – I mentioned this guy the other day. You don't want to see my guy who's roaming around the Everglades looking for swamp puppies, as he calls the alligator swamp puppies. I will give this guy credit. He is very integrated into the environment. He's barefooted. He gets really close to things, but he's not provoking them. you know what I mean he's just kind of wandering around he seems like kind of an interesting dude you never see his face either oh yeah it's just like he's just walking around and it's it's been this odd thing where it's like I wasn't following or I'm still not following him but I don't think my I was particularly looking for like Everglades related content or crocodile or alligator rather related content but all of a sudden this guy started popping up on my page everywhere just kept kept happening and then at some point Becca was like have you seen this guy in the Everglades and the bare feet and i'm like yeah so i don't understand we talked about this recently i don't understand algorithmically why sometimes that kind of stuff just starts being everywhere and then it's just kind of you know i don't know fades into the background but all right uh let's do this uh we are going to take a quick break and then when we come back um we we want to talk about netflix because we didn't get to that on yesterday's episode i guess we want to talk about shoes that one might get pushed i don't know but also andrew you located the audio that we talked about on yesterday's show where bono from youtube who by the way i have met and he was very nice so i'm like i'm trying to be i mean i met him for 10 minutes at the public radio station it wasn't like i we spent quality time together but he didn't seem in that 10 minutes to be in any way a bad person or aloof for whatever treated you respectfully. He wasn't aloof. He seemed like a very genuine nice guy in my total of 10 minutes where I did literally get him tea. I've always heard he's nice. But it's just something about him that makes me want to mock him. But he's, I mean, he's a humanitarian. He's a beloved performer and songwriter. I'm sure some of our listeners, it's a very favorite band. But anyway, you found the audio of him saying, Edge, play the blues. And then you played it far before the show. This came up on the program. because a dazzling donor said Edge play the blues. I completely forgot that this was a thing we had done. Somebody else reminded us of it. And well, now we have the tape.

And now we're just going to redo it.

Yeah.

But it is. But I went back and the joke was, Bono says Edge play the blues. And our reaction to this years ago was, has anybody from U2 even heard the blues before? So we will play you that tape. Coming up on TBTL. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set Now ready Ready Go Everybody rattle, dattle

Hey, let's thank some dazzling donors. These are the wonderful, awesome, amazing people who are keeping TBTL in existence with their donations. Hey, look who it is. It's our friends Amy Ludke and Chad Snyder. Now this does not list a location, but I believe these are people that are in Minnesota. I believe so as well.

I don't have a location on this one. Saw them at the Minnesota State Fair. I remember this. Egg, exactly. Egg, exactly. I don't know why I'm emphasizing eggs.

I also feel like, because it's a callback to that comic thing, the thing that was in the comics that was all egg puns.

Right, that you wanted it to be funnier. You're like, couldn't you just give me one more Marmaduke? Terrible. But Amy was the pandemic drummer, Pandrumic, I believe she called herself.

I feel like sent in a Blur's Day message for Chad that was overly sexual. Not.

Okay, sure. By which I mean deeply sexual and wildly inappropriate. It was raw. It sure was. It was shocking. No, it was just sweet. She just sent in a sweet, lovely message for her beloved. I get those two things confused.

Amy says, I just spilled my wine all over my tonight pants, which I'm taking as a sign that I should send in an extremely late, dazzling donor message. I am not taking this as a sign I should stop drinking. By the way, Amy, we may have more Tonight Pants if you need to buy back a pair. Oh, yeah, good point. More on that, by the way, coming up. Because one of the things about leaving APM is trying to figure out what to do with the things that we had for the THON donations, the THON thank yous. And we didn't always use up all of them. So just saying, you may have an heir and a spare someday, Amy. No worries if you weren't able to read this quote on air. Oh, I'm reading it on air, Amy. I'm reading it. This is Amy and Chad from Minneapolis, relatively new tens. Since we're submitting this so late, we've had a chance to learn about your move from APM so we can say how excited we are for this. We wish you all the best and definitely plan to keep listening and being dazzling donors. Thank you, Amy and Chad. We need that. We'll all just say ditto to all of the many delightful messages that have come before us. We're thankful for the positivity, comfort, and community that TVTL brings to our lives on a daily basis. And to the conversation topics it gives us. We love having imaginary friends and the friends of those friends. We got to see you both in 2019 at the Minnesota State Fair. This year, we're returning to see the Hold Steady. Oh, my God. Is there anything more deeply Minnesotan than seeing the Hold Steady at the Minnesota State Fair? At the State Fair. Crowd's going to go wild. Down at, oh, God. It's been too long since I've listened to it. I mean, I love the Hold Steady, but I haven't listened to it. I can't just wing some Hold Steady, like the party pit. People are always going down to the party pit, right?

Is that a Hold Steady song? I don't remember. Were you a Hold Steady guy? There was one record that I liked and listened to, but I don't remember anything about it.

Oh, yeah. Craig Finn's lyrics are kind of, I don't know, you could say Dylan-esque or whatever, But there are some recurring characters and themes, and people are getting messed up down at the party pit and things like that.

Really? There are recurring characters throughout? I did not know that. There's like a little universe, a little world building.

I wouldn't say it's that consistent, but there is – and again, I can't – the listeners are throwing their phones. I can't give you great examples because I did – I really did have a – for a couple of their records, I was really pretty into their music. But yeah, there are basically a few different names that pop up that I think are sort of autobiographical from Craig Finn's life. Real people he knew or real nicknames of people he knew. Anyway, that sounds like that's really going to be fun for Amy and Chad. Amy says, last year we saw The Counting Crows. Luke really should have been there. Well, yes, Amy, but no. Because I love Counting Crows, as you know. but when they play live I get it makes me a little nuts because Adam Duritz doesn't like to sing the songs the way they are on the CD and in fact just the other day I saw a clip somehow a clip of a Counting Crows concert came up probably on TikTok and it was a song I love it might have even been the song Rain King off of the album I don't know.

uh august and everything after and um and he was doing it like jazz he jazzed it up and i was you know it's it's his music it's their music i i respect his right to um do his own thing and by the way there might be people that love that like they've heard the song they've heard the album version they want to hear what adam duritz can do with it i respect that perspective but it's not for me i want to sing along when i think of heaven deliver me in a black ring bird i think of dying down by your sea of fits and kegels i don't really know the lyrics of that song very well i do think kegels gets mentioned really oh i thought that was no i was gonna say i was like that sounds definitely like the part you made up yeah it was it probably was a pelvic floor is actually the term that adam duritz uses in the song now i want to let's see rain king lyrics i just want to see how close i got when i think of heaven deliver me in a black winged bird i think of flying okay error number one it's not dying i think of flying down into your sea of pens and feathers oh it's still and all the other instruments of faith and sex and god in the belly of a black-winged bird why does everything come back to sex in this dazzling donor message i know god i'm gonna have to listen to this song on the plane today i had a big like for a long time my go-to airplane and i didn't travel nearly as much in those days but when i was on an airplane i was listening to the uh counting crows record recovering the satellites which has like long december on it and um things like that things of that nature uh maybe i'll have to when i get on this airplane to go to arkansas later uh after this recording maybe i'll um i'll mess with that anyway amy and chad thank you for the donation uh we really appreciate you maybe we'll see you i don't want to make travel plans for you maybe we'll see you on uh july 29th in seattle for the tbtl 4000th episode amen we've announced that right we yeah i know we have but we sort of we some now we're kind of like we got the new tbtl email we're doing videos it's like i just i had a moment of terror thinking that somehow we hadn't released the video i don't know yeah People know about that

We haven't talked about the venue yet You are nailing that down And hopefully soon we will be able to announce that And put the tickets on sale at the same time Most critically But I did get a note from a listener today Who said I think, I actually haven't opened it yet But the subject line was Just bought my plane ticket So I think people are making plans to get here

July 29th, Seattle, Washington Be there Maestro

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go.

Everybody rattles.

We've also got to thank David Bratt. Now, here's the thing. You know, I don't pre-read these, as is very clear when you hear me reading these messages, because I'll often say something that then comes up later in the message or is contradicted or whatever. But I have been staring, since you emailed me these names, I've been staring at David's pronouncer, and I was so confused for so long, and it just clicked. His pronouncer is Naughty Boy, not Sausage. Naughty Boy, not Sausage. And that, of course, is like it's brat. It's not brat. Yes. His last name is like a naughty boy is a brat, not a sausage.

Yeah, I know.

Well, it's always come back to naughty boys with David. David says, thanks for another year of amazing hashtag content. I'm happy to be a dazzling donor and look forward to continuing to dazzle you for as long as you continue partnering with John and the other fine folks at APM. I'll just mention now for no particular reason that I am definitely submitting this message well before the deadline in March. Okay, so

you follow what's going on there.

I like it. It's very subtle, David, but I'm digging it.

We are getting very close to I think, like, reading all of these dazzling donor messages. I think we might wrap up tomorrow. In fact, I will say Dave has the honor of being the very last dazzling donor message to come in through the pipeline And clearly, obviously, knows the news that we are leaving American public media. And so I think having a little go at us here, Luke.

Right. David said, in my Dazzling Donor segment last year, you helped me figure out that I started listening to TBTL in 2015. So as a new, very green listener, I was hoping you could help me fill a mummy-sized hole in my knowledge of TBTL lore. Here's what I think I know about the mummy. One, he went to Jesus Creek and played basketball with Luke. He absolutely did, Dave You have intuited that very correctly He was, is shady Well, I mean, you know, maybe opinions vary But in the words of Patrick Swayze Opinions vary Right before he punches a guy like eight times in the movie Roadhouse You just realize what that

We haven't played that drop in a long time. Would you be more comfortable with has displayed... Opinions vary. Sorry? Would you say that... How about, like, maybe we don't say somebody is this or is that, but maybe has displayed shady behavior. Maybe is experiencing shadiness. No, but, like, has definitely engaged in shady behavior. I feel like you've... I have seen it.

I've seen it. I've been a part of it. I've been the recipient of it. I've observed it, yes. So there's been shady behavior over the years.

Is one shady? Who's to say?

Right, exactly. I don't know, which gets to the next question down the line here, which we'll talk about sort of slightly obliquely, I guess. Number three. So you're right. Again, I have experienced times when the mummy is shady. Then three, did he live in a geodesic dome or something weird like that for a bit? Well, from back when I was spending a lot more time with the mummy, he became very fascinated with the idea of what he called earth ships. And an earth ship is, if I understand right, a dwelling that is made out of naturally occurring building materials, i.e. a tree, some rocks, a cave. I don't know. I think what makes it an earth ship is that you have not gone to Home Depot and bought plywood and nailed it together. You have made it out of elements that are part of the earth. So he really loved the lore of that and then eventually went to Home Depot, I believe with his dad, who then bought him a bunch of plywood and then they screwed it together and made a small dwelling that was in someone's backyard that was, I guess, more of a tiny house than an earth ship. And I think was involved in that community, maybe still is, I'm not really sure. So you're kind of close on that one, Dave. Four, seems to have fallen out with Luke and the TBTL community. I don't know about the TBTL community because I've fallen out with them recently, so I don't really talk to them.

You've fallen out with the community recently.

Yes, I'm not allowed back on the Stens page. It's a whole thing. I don't know the status with the mummy and the TBTL community, but I will say that all friendships go through phases and sometimes run their course. And this would be one of those situations without getting overly specific. It was fun while it lasted, and we sure got some crazy stories, but I just finally, you know, we just kind of reached that point where our roads diverged, and so that's kind of how that went down. Dave says, thanks, fellas. Could you send me out with the butter drop?

Oh, geez. I wasn't reading ahead on this one either. Do you have it? I believe. Oh, I've got it right here.

I will come to your house. I will go to your refrigerator, your refrigerator, I will take your butter out of your fridge, I will eat the butter in front of you and your family's eyes, and I force you to watch me while I eat all your butter, that you are going to have a Christmas evening. You will beg and cry and say, no, don't eat all our butter we need for Christmas. I will say, aha, not my problem. I'll take the empty bottle. I will throw it on the stairway. I will go home.

I like every time I listen to that, I have a new favorite part of it. It's just so love it. Exactly. So there you go, Dave. And thanks, Dave, for supporting TBTL, you naughty boy. hello and welcome to top story all right let's uh knock out this netflix thing so it doesn't hang over our head any longer um so i guess this week netflix has started really enforcing their policy about uh using your path well they're they're aiming it at password you know stopping people from sharing their passwords but this this article that i saw from the washington post which i don't have the the byline i apologize um this article pointed out you got a lot of people they profile this travel nurse named brandy anderson who travels around the u.s working again as a travel nurse but has a home and a husband in midland georgia but because she is traveling a lot and this new because of this new policy she is going to have to pay extra money every month to be allowed to use her own network netflix password if she's not at her primary residence which the whole promise of netflix is that it's a website that you should be able to access anywhere if you are paying for access to the website it'd be like you can only access your Hotmail account from somewhere else. Like, and so.

So they're pointing out that there are, I guess, lots of people that are sharing their password with other people. But then there are people that legitimately – I mean, honestly, for me, I don't watch a lot of Netflix in my hotel room. But if I wanted to watch I Think You Should Leave season three and I was traveling and I wanted to watch on my laptop at the hotel, I think I'd have to start at the end of this month paying an extra service fee or $7.99 a month to have that option.

You know, I used to travel around, especially if I was like on a, you know, like a week long trip in St. Paul or something. I would bring an HDMI cable with me, not just because I'm cool, but because I would think, oh, I can log on to my, you know, Netflix or Hulu on my laptop and plug it directly into the Airbnb or hotel TV. Right. And I swear I have stayed places before that started accommodating that. I feel like there were even hotels, even though I remember being like, well, should I trust putting in my password here? And I'm like, well, I just put a USB drive into my computer that I found on a bridge. Why the hell not? And so, like, that was a big part of the thing is like, oh, hey, I subscribe to Netflix. Now I'm on the road. I'm traveling. But I check into my hotel and it says, hey, do you want to do you want access to your own Netflix? Sure. Like, just log in here and then we'll delete your password later. I don't know how they handled it. But actually, I have thoughts on that. Yeah. Okay, so that's all I was going to say. It's like they were starting to build around this, which makes sense. And I have not read this article. I didn't know what was making headlines. I just know that a friend of ours, I think it's okay, Barry, broadcast Barry, he's been staying, doing some work in various areas and I think staying with some family because he's always got a million things going on. And I saw that he took a photo of his TV wherever he is these days that just said, you know, you can't log on here. This is for, you know, this is this is a service meant for your home and family or whatever. Like, we're going to verify that you're who you are. It's just like, well, he is who he is. He's just a man on the go who's doing a whole bunch of things and wants access to the thing he's paying for.

Well, exactly. And the thing about the hotel rooms. So because now it's very common in a hotel room to at least hotels that are part of the Bonvoy empire to you turn on the TV. And the first thing it wants to do is, like, do you want to watch your Netflix? Do you want to watch your streaming services? It's a giant pain in the butt to put your stuff in. First of all, I don't remember my password, as you would be unshocked to hear. So, like, I can do it all on my home TV because it remembers it. But, like, I have had an experience before of being at an Airbnb, I believe, where you could log in. And the person who had stayed there before me was still logged in.

Oh, yeah. See, that's the fear.

And I was like, that's a bad that's a bad thing for you, because like that might limit your ability to log in back at home. And now it's just like you're like the bad guys in Superman, too. Your account is just floating through space in some giant clear window pane. Did you look at their history? Were they dirty birds? Did they know? I mean, it's Netflix. I don't know how dirty those birds can get. That's a good point. I was I absolutely did. And I forget what it was. Oh, are you kidding me? Sorry, man. like you leave a like a logged in netflix account in a airbnb i'ma look i'ma see what you're

watching you know i i like i've heard just casual conversation i think maybe on podcasts i listen to maybe amongst friends i don't know if i really um have gone out of my house enough to have conversation with friends but um i feel like it's become just common knowledge and accepted behavior that if you can see somebody's phone on an airplane like you're going to look at what it is You're going to try to serve it like more and more people seem to be copping to that.

In other words, if the person would like their they would. It's that sort of reasonable expectation of privacy. I feel like. Yeah. If you don't want anyone to know what's on your phone, then don't have it out on the airplane. Or do they make a tint for the phone? I only make those for laptops.

You know, I was on a very crowded train on a Friday coming back from the Mariners game. and um it was interesting because there were two were crammed in the train right one of those situations and a lot of young people and there were two young guys kind of near me and for some reason i had a vantage point of both of their phones and i think one was an android and one was an apple and i feel like i could have this backwards but i feel like the android everything was right there on front street and the apple because of the angle it seemed like i couldn't it just looked like kind of a now it could have been that he didn't have his contrast or his brightness turned up as much but i did wonder i'm like oh i wonder if that's a technology that some phones are touting i haven't seen a commercial for it but i i feel like that would be like as as apple like kind of focuses on its various like kind of privacy features that would be a really good one like absolutely show how like you can't see the screen that well if it's like

kind of a scans yeah i'm trying to i'm doing an experiment on my phone right now because i have an iPhone. and i'm trying to turn it it's not quite doing that but you're right that would be i wonder if that's just technologically super hard to do because i mean that you'd think that would have been like day one like hey these are people are going to be around other people they might not want everyone to see everything on their phone let's just uh figure that out but um yeah i would i would that would be the kind of thing that might cause me to pick one phone over the other Yeah, I could see that. I mean, not that I have – I don't have any complicated business going on on my phone. But, you know, it's like just your personal life that you might not want to – I mean, I even – every time I open my laptop to do some work on the plane, I say to myself, I've got to get one of those dumb screens. Again, there's nothing happening on my laptop that's particularly interesting. It's mostly expense reports for CBS travel. But it's just – I don't know. It feels a little like you're just – like they can see what my desktop looks like. they can see um my login page they can see just it just feels like a view into my life that i don't

want to share with a plane full of strangers yeah and again people seem to just be again not saying that it's morally right i'd prefer not to hear from like finger waggers on this like i assume that it's not morally right to look at somebody's private information but it just sort of seems like it is becoming a cultural norm that people seem more um comfortable kind of saying like yeah if you're on an airplane i can see your phone and i'm stuck in this place for a while i'm probably

going to check out what you got on your phone so the big question about this netflix stuff is if it's going to make people actually cancel netflix or like if there's going to be a an annoyance factor where they actually lose customers or if they're going to actually gain customers because the people that have been managing to you know stay on there oh by the way i know someone i'll just i'll be vague about this just out of respect but i know someone um who lost their father um like probably maybe 10 years ago eight years ago and um and it was a really tight family and the father was was and remains very very beloved and um their netflix is still the netflix that their dad had set up and when they log on it welcomes their dad's name and everyone in the family maybe not everyone but some of their siblings these are all adults will they all everyone's still using this netflix account and these are not people that like um can't afford netflix literally it's a connection to their dad no interesting which is really sweet and actually makes me feel really sad to think about this being something that would bring that to an end because every time they log in it's just it's one little thing that's kind of you know again a connection to their to their late father so i don't know what's going to happen with all of that but like that's probably a fairly

unique scenario but um and if they're still logging in at home i don't think that really affects this it's more about like logging in at various at places that are not like on your wi-fi

right right but it depends because uh both like again this person and one of their siblings i know that they are both using it oh i see in in different locations one of them's gonna lose it i mean but it'll live in one place but not the other place sure i see but but of course this is netflix and so they have data on everything and i guess what basically happens typically because they've looked at this as they lose some people who are pissed and then over time they end up in a net positive as far as more subscribers because of the people who now have to sort of sign up. One of the people that they ask about in this story is how they're going to behave is, let me see if I know the name of this person. Oh, maybe not. Let me look at the other part of this article. Sorry, I have a bunch of different things circled. They talked to somebody named Amy Woodbury and her friends. They were on a premium Netflix account together. She says she gets that the company thinks its business model isn't working anymore. But the change pushed her group to cancel. Amy says, I reckon we'll probably subscribe for a month or two, a year to catch up on Stranger Things and Wednesday and watch a few movies. But then we'll shut it down again, says Woodbury, who lives in Santa Clara, California. By the way, I reckon we'll probably subscribe for a month. Yeah. Were you expecting Santa Clara? Is this a real person? Santa Clara, California. Well, here's another person who I think might be a Netflix bot. Not all Netflix customers are upset about the crackdown. Some were happy for the company to go after, quote, freeloaders. Yeah, right. Yeah. Especially if it means more revenue for their favorite shows or if it means their own monthly fees stop rising.

Which, first of all, they won't. And nobody is kind of like, oh, now that they're cracking down, we're going to have more high-quality content because they can put the money directly towards the shows. Hari Kondabalu

will get paid more for co-hosting Snack Wars. Netflix has said 100 million people around the world stream using borrowed accounts. Quote, we subscribers are getting either higher rates or lesser services than might otherwise be the case if the freeloaders were to cough up the subscription.

free fee said diane avril of pittsburgh in an email and netflix employees might get better wages if the company were more profitable so a lot of people are potentially being cheated by the cheaters oh diane sweet sweet diane do you think that netflix making more money means they will pay their people better yeah oh oh it's this free rider problem that we have let me ask you

this. This is top of mind

for me. What do you think Diane thinks of student

loan forgiveness? HBO became Max last week. Oh, they won't let me forget it. I know. I was going to say, like, that sounds like a nightmare scenario for you. Are you just going to cancel? Because they didn't just, like, take the app and say, hey, you have to sign in again or something. Basically, when you go to your old HBO app, it's like, this app is dead in the water. We created a new app. It looks kind of the same, only it's a bit jankier And you have to install it on all of your devices now And re-log in I'm like oh well then probably Luke will never watch another HBO show

I'm going to be honest with you I don't think I even realized I need to do all that stuff I just keep getting these emails from Max Being like Hey I'm Max

Yeah I mean that is the thing too My grandpa's name was Max And I feel like the name Max Really sort of like Max is a no bullshit kind of guy

He's the brother of the mucinex slime slime ball but

it kind of depends on your device like I've had some devices where it says like my TV downstairs said oh you have to install a new app and I'm like okay fine do it and then it's like okay it's installed and now you're already logged in I was like oh beautiful Genevieve had the complete opposite example upstairs on the TV where it didn't make her install a new app but it maybe installed it maybe while we were sleeping I don't know, but it did make her log in again. And so she had to look up the password and like, here's my thing to the new app, like both on the television and when I'm watching it, just like kind of via the web, via like a web browser, I was watching the final episode of Succession yesterday and like the rewind and why did I say rewind funny? The rewind and fast forward buttons, like they don't work like they still work once and then they seize up on you. You have to refresh the whole page. I just don't understand like it's just like they want they wanted to give the experience of completely cheapening a product like I just don't get why I mean I kind of understand the rebranding from HBO and calling it Max but also it's like but also since we're not HBO anymore we should probably make our product just generally kind of janky and shitty but is that because again you've got this prestige you got the prestige television of HBO which is part of the point of this right is to like separate

to untangle the succession from the world's deadliest

catch. Because there's all under the same umbrella. But that doesn't excuse making your new app a piece of garbage. It just all feels so

crappy. Did they let Sig from World's Deadliest Catch make the new interface? It's an app. It can't be

that hard as an app. My brother's name is Max.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week I hope that it's from a female. Oh man! It's not from a female.

I do need to figure out how to hack into my Max account at some point because I love the show Somebody Somewhere. Oh, yeah, right. With Bridget Everett. That's on there. And then also, Carrie recommended, she's very into the SmartList podcast and recommended that they have an HBO. You know about SmartList, right? Yeah, yep, yep. It's Jason. I can't remember people's names, but yeah, I know. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Actually, it's Will Arnett, obviously, from Rest Development. Jason Bateman Jason Bateman and then Sean Hayes from Will and Grace now the podcast itself I think is sort of entertaining I've listened to it a time or two but they've done this like almost like Kings of Comedy but like of their tour so they did a Smart List tour and they're going doing these live shows at all these big venues and it's all very cool they're flying on private planes but I've only watched one episode but it's actually very charming because what it ends up becoming is kind of like a documentary about a band when they're touring what's really interesting is them you know them like analyzing the craft services before a show versus whatever happens on stage yeah so that's also on max yeah so if i want to keep watching and i'm gonna have to figure out how to get back into it um do you have an email or vmail you'd like to share with the class i do have an email an email

that came as a bit of a surprise to me so in a recent dazzling donor message um somebody mentioned how much they love their TBTL Coffee Lava mug, right? And if you'll recall, listener Jeremy, Jeremy Ayers made those for us for the TBTL-a-thon a couple of years ago. Hand-crafted mugs.

They were things of beauty. And so I checked in with Jeremy about Jeremy made those mugs for us. And so I was emailing Jeremy about his mugs. And then he wrote this, a huge thanks to all of the tens. I think he wanted me to share this. A huge thank you to all of the tens who have reached out to me in the last week. I just had brain surgery last Thursday. It's a long story, but I have Parkinson's and I had a DBS device installed. I'm part man, part machine, which will help minimize my physical symptoms. The same surgery that fellow 10 Lauren said her dad just had. I'm at home recovering, and so many 10s have reached out to me with messages of support. Just like everyone says, the 10s really take care of their own and are literally the best. I've been doing a fundraiser for the Michael J. Fox Foundation during my time in surgery that has raised over $8,000, and the 10s have been a huge part of that. Big thanks to all of the 10. So, Jeremy, I did not know about that. You know, I do think that a listener reached out to me and maybe said you were dealing with some health stuff. I did not realize the extent of it. Thank you to everybody who has supported Jeremy during this time. And, Jeremy, man, thanks for letting us know. Thanks for everything you do for us. And I hope you are recovering okay.

I sure hope that the – I think that's deep brain stimulation. That makes sense. And it kind of, you know, when it's successful, it's able to use, I think, electrical impulses to help calm some of the tremors and the effects from Parkinson's. So, Jeremy, I really hope that that—I've known people that have had that, and it's, for some of them, been really a life changer. So I'm sure hoping that that proves to be something that improves your quality of life. So thanks, man. Thanks for letting us know. And thanks for making those boss mugs. It's funny because right after we mentioned them the other day I've only been drinking out of my TBTL mug Literally since that show Because, you know, you open the cupboard And you've got I'm not a rich man, Andrew But I do have a few coffee cups And every day it's a little like Huh, what kind of day is it? What am I feeling like? But every day has been a TBTL mug day That Jeremy made Nice, nice

I'm drinking out of a mug that listener Jay gave me That says every day is trash day And it's got a little pasta on it all right all right you gotta go you gotta go hop on an airplane

yeah man oh man uh turns out portland to um bentonville arkansas is not an overly traveled route turns out you gotta go on a few you gotta you gotta you gotta take a plane train and an automobile to get there but uh i'm gonna try and see if i can make it and um the thing is for the listener experience there will be no time lost i will be back here tomorrow at the hollywood broadcast studio for a thursday edition for a thursday edition of the program so i'll have lived an entire lifetime and none of you will have even noticed it oh we'll notice because i

won't let you forget it because you know i'm gonna have some complaints i was gonna say let's just hope that the air travel goes smoothly otherwise we'll really know it you know i'm gonna have some

stuff to talk about if i if i get to the rental car agency and it's just at a chevron yeah and the guy's like i don't know anything about the cars that'll be hours oh andrew hmm speaking of which speaking of my petty existence in the world and travel and hours of content on tomorrow's episode please do not let me forget to tell you about one of the more maddening and And by definition, insane interactions that I've had with a store, and it was in the Portland airport.

Okay, so this has already happened. This isn't something you're excited about, that that may happen.

No, no, it happened, and I literally thought at the time, this is making me furious, but it will be content for the show. Okay, that's how you do it. It's a survival mechanism at this point. Exactly, exactly. So that'll be on tomorrow's episode. In the meantime, have yourselves a great Wednesday. Be safe. Take care of yourselves. Go Mariners. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.