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all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a friday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live i gotta figure out how to make money on this thing it's simply too good my name is luke burbank i am your host back away banana breath what the hell did you just eat a banana coming to you from the hollywood broadcast center right here in portland oregon where it's it's raining I almost don't even know how to process this sort of weather pattern it's been so long since um didn't know you like to get wet though I'd say the good news is yesterday up at this other house that I'm remodeling they decided to finally pull literally the entire I gotta do this never eat soggy waffles they decided to pull off literally the entire western side of the house and now it's raining today so i'm gonna head up there later and see see how we're doing with that uh this is how we're doing with this episode 3963 in a collector's series let the fun begin it's a friday it's raining here in portland people may be thinking of heading out to the cinema or even just staying home and watching streaming movies that are being released this weekend and including the Flamin' Hot Cheetos movie called Flamin' Hot.

When I eat hot Cheetos, I get crazy. I just love hot Cheetos! I love them so much!

Just one problem with the movie Flamin' Hot that's coming out, but the guy who invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos, is a complete fabrication. Well, we know you're good at lying. Raising the question, does that really matter? I mean, this is not, we're not talking about, you know, world peace or the cure for cancer. Some dusty junk food Like does it really matter The origin story Why is it bothering me so much That Ava Longoria is putting out A complete fabrication Oh and then we have other movie news So who needs a movie Yesterday I uncovered a very interesting Piece of television news Reporting from 1979 In Fort Worth, Texas Where a local TV legend Named Bobby Wygant She went out to a theater that was screening the movie Alien and just interviewed people coming out of the movie who had also brought their children. There's a couple of gems in there, so we're going to play that for you. And we're going to talk to this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, known best for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, their splendor, and all that intricate rigging.

That's a tuna, bro!

This is an Andrew Walsh, bro, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I got a little distracted there for a second. I just got a warning from Gmail that my Gmail account is filling up. That's a rarity. Gmail gives you a lot of space, man. So it's like 75% full. I think I've got maybe an attachment issue. That's what Freud would say. So I'm going through here. I'm going to try to put this out of my mind for the show because otherwise I'll go through and start trying to clean up my inbox. Well, my inbox is relatively clean, but I have to clean up the Gmail. at some point this weekend. I don't want to be cut off, Luke. And I'm not one of those guys who bought a hot air balloon and is just going to buy more space for my Gmail.

I don't think I even knew there was like a limit to Gmail. I have, as you will understand after I say the next sentence, I have a very rudimentary understanding of how things like this work.

Oh, no, I guess I just thought it was like in the cloud or something. I mean, what I know about my stupid personal email account, which is run through a large tech concern, is that about every three months I'm running out of space. And I've either got to get serious about organizing my stuff or I just buy another terabyte for like $2 a month.

And I assume that you get serious about organizing your stuff. I assume that that's the path that you take. I know. It's almost like we're brothers.

I don't think you're going to take that approach. I think you're going to spend the weekend carefully culling the herd of your emails.

I think that is how I ended up with a neat inbox that is all, like, basically my inbox, my kind of, like, you know, the emails that have to be addressed. I keep them to, like, one page, like, between 10 and 20. And I think it all started the last time Gmail said I was running out of space. And what I realized was for years and years and years, especially when you were playing the intros at the beginning of the show from your side, I would create the intros, save them as an MP3. I'm talking about the montages at the beginning of the show, along with this long music tale. It ends up being six or seven minutes of audio with this music on the end of it. And every weekday for years and years, I would email one to you and it would sit in my sent items box. And, you know, like an MP3 doesn't take, you know, it's a relatively compact audio file. But years and years of daily six minute MP3 files eventually kind of dragged down my cloud. You're right. It is cloud space, but you have to pay for the cloud space. So I started like getting rid of all of those. And then this goes back years now. And then I just started cleaning up everything. And then once I had my inbox kind of in a manageable place, it felt really good. And I'm like, okay, I'll keep it clean and then try to use it as my to-do box. Like I told you before the show, I had an email I wanted to get rid of because it was like, grab this drop from Barry. And then once I grab that drop, bing, I can, well, not bing, Google, I can delete that email.

We don't say that word unless we're getting paid, brother.

Exactly.

So anyway, well, that was boring. See, I also use my inbox as a to-do list I just have 11,501 things to do

Good, now I know how you're going to be spending your weekend

Hey, can I switch gears here? For the rest of my life

I don't know if this really pays off But I want to play it I want to get your reaction to it Actually, a listener sent this to me via Instagram today But it looks like I got it here on another source That is going to play on my desktop a little bit better here But did you hear the audio of Andy Reid, the coach of the Kansas City football team? Are you saying that because you have complicated feelings about the name of their team?

No, I just couldn't think of it for a second. The Chiefs, of course. I wonder that a lot, actually, like legitimately. I mean, I don't like any team using Native American iconography or terminology or anything. And I don't, I mean, again, peace and love to our friends in Kansas City who love their team and stuff But it doesn't seem like anyone's coming for that name, for the name Chiefs I guess that's just considered certainly much better than the name the Washington football team previously had

Yeah, I mean, you can make, you're right, there's a lot of, and I'm not making this argument But I think the difference is, like, I would not say the name of the old Washington football team And so I would say the Washington football team In this case, I honestly was just sort of buying some time because I couldn't think of the word Chiefs right away But I think you could make the argument, which I am not, that like a chief is like it's not just like taking a peoples and making them a name. But it's like a commander is sort of a designation as well as a chief. Or I'm trying to think if there are any others that are like that as well. So but I mean, but you cannot justify people doing the tomahawk chop in the stadium, you know, and all the other imagery that goes along with it. Having said that, this doesn't get into any of that. Oh, really?

You didn't decide to start our Friday show playing Andy Reid addressing the appropriation of Native American culture existence in this country?

But anyway, so the Kansas City football team, also known as the Chiefs, won the Super Bowl last year, also known as the big game.

They sure did. Although I'll tell you what, my real president is Harrison Butker for hitting, for doinking the upright during the Super Bowl. I wouldn't have even remembered that name. Tidy some.

Oh, my gosh. Anyway, so that means that they were invited to the White House as a team, as the world of champions of American football. They were invited to the White House. And somebody asked Coach Reed, who's like a bigger guy who seems like he enjoys food. He's a big strawberry of a man, sort of. Mountainous face, strawberry of a bod. I didn't even do that on purpose. But what is with me describing? I got to stop describing people. At least it's dudes. Yeah, a big strawberry of a man. But is that also inaccurate? I actually kind of stand by that. No, no. I would say he looks the most...

like the mascot of the team that he coaches for more than any other NFL coach because I believe that the mascot for the Kansas City team actually am I misremembering that I think I think I've done this before there is a strawberry of a mascot somewhere kind of a big reddish area with points that some teams mascot and I always think wouldn't it be great if that was also the Kansas City mascot because the kind of you know that that mascot and Andy Reid would kind of be like buds

I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure. The Kansas City one, I think, is like the arrowhead, right? With the KC in the middle of it? Or do they have another one?

No, but I mean the actual mascot, like the person running around pretending to be a thing. Oh, I see. I'm sorry. I've interrupted your story so many times. Oh, that's okay. I'll let you get to it. And I'll try to satisfy my curiosity about the mascot.

Anyway, so this has been going around. People just find this tape kind of funny. Somebody asked him, like, how was the food at the White House? And this is how he described it. It's good, by the way. He enjoyed it. but this is him describing it. I hope this is the full tape.

A French toast, grilled cheese, and ham sandwich that they sprinkled a little bit of powdered sugar on. I mean, it was phenomenal. The guys were, and there was abundance of this. And then they had chicken fingers, exotic chicken fingers. And then maybe the best part was they had, which I hadn't seen before, but little bite-sized squares of the heart of the watermelon.

He goes on from there a little bit. This is a little bit shorter than the tape that was sent to me, and he's just like, I just wanted to compliment the chef, and I did compliment the chef. Like, I don't know who has time to cut away everything from the watermelon so that you have these perfect little hearts of watermelon, which, like, I am delighted that he enjoyed this so much. But basically, there were Monte Cristo sandwiches, some sort of chicken tenders that he found to be exotic, which I don't know what that means, and then just cubed up watermelon, which, by the way, I would eat all of that stuff.

I mean, it sounds good, but, like, he's talking about pretty achievable culinary feats, I feel like. Fairly standard food.

I mean, he's lucky it wasn't the previous president who famously just had, like, what, $10,000 of McDonald's brought in for, like, some college team, I think. Now, I just sent you something, Andrew. I had to text it to you because, as you know, for reasons that I don't – speaking of email issues, on one of my computers, I can receive emails on my personal account but cannot send for some reason. So I had to text you this. This is what I sent you is some video of a 13-year-old Andy Reid dominating the punt, pass, and kick competition. Now, are you familiar with the punt, pass, kick competition?

No, but I love the era of this. This looks like maybe early 80s I'm looking at here. Probably so. Oh, 1971. 1971. Wow, even longer.

So it's this program that the NFL has run for years where it's kind of a skills competition amongst kids. So as the name would indicate, you're punting, you're passing, and you're kicking. And it starts out in your local town, and then if you win your local town's version of it, you can go up, and then there's, like, a national championship, and a kid wins it. And a lot of times they'll be at the Super Bowl. They'll let them, like, flip, you know, like, be there for the coin toss or run the tee out or something or whatever. This Andy Reid, the strawberry of a man of whom you speak, was a football player when he was young, grew up in California. And there's footage of him in the punt pass kick competition when he's 13 years old where he is literally twice as tall as everyone else. It is like an adult man is being allowed to play in the punt pass kick competition. It is shocking. And this isn't body shaming of Andy Reid or anything. It's just he's fit as hell. He's just he's just all man. He's just it really gets to sort of like the I guess you could say capriciousness of when the hormones kick in. Yeah. You know, you might be on one side of that chasm as a 13 year old or you've crossed over. And Andy Reid has very much crossed over in this footage. Are you watching any of it?

I am. So, first of all, I want to hear the sound of this. I want to say the kid behind him on the still shot I'm looking at right now comes up to the numbers on Andy Reid's sleeve. The bottom of the numbers, in my opinion. Like, the bottom of the numbers. Not even, like, and so that's well below the shoulder. So, like, this guy is, like, Andy Reid is literally heads and shoulders above the rest of these kids. I want to see if this has any good 1971 audio attached to it. Apparently not. This sounds like somebody Just like recorded their TV

Well it is audio of inside someone's home Where they're pointing their camera At the TV

But I'm glad you at least got to see the visual of it

Because I think it's just one of the greatest things of all time

Oh my god look at this kid behind him That's the show pic right there I gotta isolate that I love Andy Reid

From everything I hear Unfortunately he's had some really tough family stuff Honestly I believe he had a son who passed away from addiction He had another son who was one of the coaches on the team who was involved in an accident where alcohol was involved and somebody was injured pretty gravely. So, you know, that's all kind of stuff that has been, you know, Andy Reid has had to deal with in his family. But everything I hear about him.

Andy Reid as a person is people just deeply love him and not just because of his, you know, his success of, you know, winning a lot of games with the Chiefs, but just with being kind of like a good dude who's just absolutely dazzled by a good Monte Cristo sandwich.

Yeah, exactly. And also he talks about those tragedies in his life, too, in a sort of in a manner in which to like kind of, I think, be a guide for others, if I understand it correctly, too, which has got to be a very hard thing. I mean, just to go through those things where there's so much stigma attached to it as well. And then like even in just in your in your most private moments, that's the most painful thing you can possibly imagine. But then to also have to like not just be a public figure, but a public figure in kind of a really masculine space, you know, where certain things are expected of head coaches, a certain amount of toughness or what have you. And yeah, no, he seems like a really good guy. And I really I love that he enjoyed his exotic chicken tenders.

it was i was in kansas city a couple of weeks ago for like about a day and boy i'll tell you what like when you're from you know seattle area or whatever like you know people sure love the seahawks you got the 12s and people take it very seriously up in this part of the country but it's still got nothing nothing on a place like kansas city and their love for their football team both of the lifts that i took were vehicles that were completely dedicated to the idea of this football as in the color of the vehicle my god was like red like someone had bought a red car so that they could then put massive amounts of chiefs related stuff on it uh and like a customized license plate and the whole bit and they didn't happen to me once it happened to me twice i didn't even tell you about this there's a really interesting kind of i was overly geeked about this um there is a road in kansas city because of course kansas city is uh kansas city missouri is on the state line of of missouri and kansas then there's a kansas city kansas which is some miles away i was under the impression that kansas city missouri and kansas city kansas were all the same city and the definition was which side of which state line were they you know which side of the line were they on that's actually not how it works there's kansas city missouri um but kansas city missouri is bumped right up against the missouri kansas line and you i was in this actually pretty nice neighborhood where i've been interviewing someone for the tv show and i get in the lift very chiefs oriented lift and the guy is taking me to the next location where we're filming and we're driving on something called state line road and it's just a neighborhood just imagine driving through like a very this part was like a very nice neighborhood like you're just driving on Capitol Hill or something on a like a street like Broadway not even as not even as big as Broadway and I'm like wait a minute I go let me understand this those houses are in Kansas and those houses are in Missouri and it goes yeah you know there's not like a fence or something there's not like a I don't know and it's like I don't know why my mind was so blown by that that I was just like so that's one state and then right over there like again imagine driving down what's basically a like a small residential street except one side is one state and the other side is i was like the implications of this are so huge like they must have different liquor laws um there must be different taxation like you know like there's so many things state to state that are different to have them just bump up against each other on this like little pretty small little road was for some reason i was kind of freaking i think the guy was like okay calm down um then when we got done filming at the world war one memorial uh in kansas city i was going to the airport and that's when i got picked up my sec second kansas city chiefs related conveyance and that guy um i was like telling him the thing that i tell everyone about that super bowl that i already mentioned today which was i had a bet that somebody was going to doink the upright and he goes yeah we're about to kill him over that and i forgot that that was actually a missed

field goal and at the time kansas city i think was losing right right and i was like i'd totally i mean thank god they won for this guy because it's like imagine i get into this guy's like completely you know the the cab they end up taking in planes trains and automobiles oh yeah right yeah you know he's proud of his city and that's a damn rare thing these days like it was that of kansas city chiefs stuff and imagine i get in that guy's like cab essentially and i'm like you know what was great about the super bowl when y'all's guy missed that makeable field goal and i got my winning yeah like i i only really lucky that they won the super bowl exactly i realized in the moment how much I could have been putting my foot in my mouth or getting myself kicked out along the highway somewhere in Kansas City. Because imagine if I'm driving an Uber in Seattle and somebody gets in and they're like, God, you know what was amazing? When the Patriots picked off Russell Wilson on the one-yard line, I'd be like, out!

I hesitate to bring this up because if I invoke this person's name, who is very much... the news this morning i'm afraid it will derail the entire show which i don't want to happen but i will say the one do you remember luke our previous president and how he would say things that would either make us infuriated but sometimes make us laugh at him because what he was saying was so mockable and incorrect apple exactly there was one thing that i just have to admit he made a mistake about one time and i thought don't laugh at that walsh that could be you and it was the kansas city tweet do you remember he congratulated them as like congratulations on the great state of kansas for like winning that but it was kansas city missouri of course is where the chiefs are right right because kansas city in the and i don't like i i i'm only thinking about this because we're talking about it explicitly right here but like i get it confused all the time myself i've never visited it but like you have once oh yeah right of course you and i took

a bus there and we got yeah we came out of the bus station and some lovely tens were waiting for us

yes other than that that was a brief moment yeah and that was that was missouri right yeah because that because kansas city on the kansas side is a much smaller affair am i right about that and it's

and it's i don't know exactly how many miles away but it's again i i was under the impression that kansas city was one kind of sort of large city and then there was part of it that fell in kansas and part of it that fell in missouri and that was the that was how you separated them but they were all kind of a conglomeration and that i learned only on this recent trip and it was not the case

i think i knew that they were totally different cities but i can never remember which is which and it does make sense i mean to just assume if you're unfamiliar now again i'm not holding the highest office in the country but like you're not holding the secretist documents right country exactly illegally so anyway but uh yeah i could see making the mistake of thinking that kansas city like the the the one that is home to the chiefs would be in kansas but of course it's not

yeah they sure they sure love that team down there um so okay you played some andy reed tape i actually feel like that really paid off i don't know if this tape that i want to play coming up is going to pay off we already know the audio quality is pretty low because i was previewing it before the show and we were both like what the hell but i'm gonna try to play it anyway it's from fort worth texas in 1979 so play that and we'll talk about flaming hot the new flaming hot cheeto movie in a moment here on tbtl hello and welcome to top story okay the listeners probably didn't hear this because uh i'm assuming that this isn't one of those asterisk shows andrew that you sent out without your usual careful editing hopefully during the break you and i were chatting briefly that um you did not in fact decide to wait for the freaking weekend to get into your gmail cleaning you figured maybe this is something that could you could you could have gmail at least give you a head start on what did you try to do and now What have you done?

As I mentioned to you, between the segments, yeah, I think I fucked my Gmail. That's a terrible way of putting that. But it's just locked up now. I've never locked up Gmail. I want to make it clear. My computer is not locked up. Computer's working fine. But Gmail is just like. What were you trying to do? I just was like, well, how about we just start by emptying the trash? Like, just take all the trash out, which is a dangerous game, too. because I like to keep a month or two in there just in case, like, something I didn't realize I needed, you know.

There is the finality. I don't know what sound your computer makes. Does your computer have some kind of, you know, little – I'm going to play the one that – I don't know how loud this is going to be, so I apologize. But when you empty the trash, do you get a sound kind of like this? Let's see. Empty trash. Here we go.

I have all the sounds turned off on my computer because I don't want them to go out.

I find that sound to be both very satisfying and very terrifying, because once you've done that, you've really, really, you've really sent whatever that stuff was into the forbidden zone and there's no getting it back.

It sounds a little bit like the sound effect in that Diana Ross song, I Don't Want to Be Eaten Alive. Are you familiar with this song?

I'm not. That was my music for your weekend.

Thanks a lot. That was one of the many songs that I liked but terrified me as a kid. Diana Ross has a song, like this is the 80s era Diana Ross. She has a song called Eaten Alive. I Don't Want to Be Eaten Alive. But, you know, kind of like Maneater by Hall & Oates. Like, you're kind of like, oh, that's kind of evocative as a kid. Like, yeah. But this one really is terrifying. And at the end, I believe it ends with the sound of some, like, large cat chomping on, like, bones. Really? I'm going to make that music for my weekend.

Was it a radio hit? I mean, it made it to your life.

I mean, listen, my dad was into Diana Ross. I believe he had, like, a cassette in the car. And when you're a kid, you're like, you don't really like your parents' music, but there are the ones like that that kind of tell a story to it. Yeah, exactly.

I'm going to make that my music for your weekend. Love it. I would love to hear that, actually. You know, since we're talking about things from the past, let me just play this archival tape. I saw like a kind of a five seconds of this on Instagram yesterday, maybe 10 seconds. And it was just this clip of a, turns out, an absolute legend down in Texas named Bobby Wygant, who, let's see here. I actually took the time to send myself Bobby's bio. I think Bobby is like around maybe 96 years old, has been working or was working in Texas television for like 70 years and is still on the website of NBC DFW5. Entertainment reporter and critic Bobby Wygant has spent more than 70 years of her broadcasting career with NBC5. Bobby joined NBC5 two weeks before the station went on the air. To quote Bobby, they poured me in with the foundation. Born in West Lafayette, Indiana, Bobby came to Texas with a degree in broadcasting and psychology. During the early years, Bobby did live game shows, commercials, and produced and hosted live talk shows for 16 years. She's noted for her celebrity interviews from everyone from Bob Hope to Bradley Cooper. Anyway, I just love this person, Bobby Wygnett, existing in the world. Like, she's amazing. Can I ask you a quick question?

this is off point but this is one thing that sort of bothers me when people are writing and i do this sometimes too in my writing like in a show description but like i i really do not like the structure of everything from blank to blank when there isn't a huge difference between blank to blank you know what i mean that's not a why those are well i mean there's an age difference that's the difference that i that i would know yeah okay all right anyway just a pet peeve of mine just so you know if you're ever quoting anything again maybe just skip that did you um

teach your students at the writing center that kind of a thing this is more of a later pet peeve

of mine within the past couple of years it's kind of like that thing i talk about a lot when when i'm sorry to tangent so long but um in a commercial when they say this this or even this and it's like well why are you throwing even there like john curly has some hair replacement commercials like that are airing here on local radio and he's like it even worked for me and I was like, why are you saying even there? You didn't set yourself up as, like, a terrible test case. You know what I mean? Like, he's not like somebody who survived, like, being dipped in – the crown of his head being dipped in acid. And it worked even for me. Like, he's a guy with, like, pretty – you know, probably pretty good genes and strong hair. Why are you saying even for you?

Anyway. Bobby Wygant has worked for over 70 years for this TV station, Which I just think is a really incredible amount of time And she's, by the way, 96 years old So this is back in 1979 Now I saw this quick clip of this And I was like, I wonder if I can find the full thing And so I poked around It actually took too much of my day yesterday Considering at 7pm I had to be hosting Livewire With some actual pressing responsibilities But I'm like, let me Google around to try to figure out Because I didn't know the name of the reporter I didn't know where it happened and I don't know why people put on the kind of clip sometimes on Instagram they do because it was not the completion of this thing which was this reporter going out to the local movie theater to interview parents specifically about the question of why did you bring your kid to the movie Alien right so sorry that the audio is not great I'm going to play it from YouTube which is a little bit better it's really only interviews with two parents okay and but the second one it's the second interaction that really kind of jumped out at me So this is, here we go, it's counting down, 3, 2, 1, how quaint.

Sunday, the Ridgely Theater in Fort Worth had the biggest day in its entire history. It sold more than The Godfather, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Superman, and Love Story. But the biggest surprise to theater employees is the number of parents bringing young children to see Alien.

So she's talking to a dad, by the way, the kid has the greatest, the kid is probably like 6 and just has a Superman t-shirt on. it's so like exactly of the moment it's like he's out of casting out of central casting exactly in fact i could i could send you the link to this andrew you would just dig the kind of the look of the whole thing as much as anything know that this was an r-rated movie when you

brought him yes we do are you sorry you brought him yes i am are you glad you saw it the kid just

nods yes are you now this is the part that jumped out at me again i'm sorry for the audio quality so this is a mom and dad and the dad really in my mind takes this somewhere that I didn't expect it going and then you get the reaction from the kid it's just it's pretty good tape

you brought your son along to see Alien

no ma'am I think he's

should have seen it it's something that he needs to know that things could like that could happen in life that could be a true story based on you know science or science we never know what's going

on on the outside of the world did the movie scare you at all yes we did we're taking the same

well yeah especially because you got a parent who's saying that it could be a documentary

like the like the contrast between the dad who's like this kid better know about aliens like in case he has to fight an alien and the kid who's clearly traumatized from having seen the movie

no ma'am i think he should have seen it it's something that he needs to know that things could like that could happen in life that could be a true story based on you know science or science we never know what's going on on the outside of the world did the movie scare you at

all yes we did we take him to see a lot of horror pictures and things by the way i don't know i

feel like i don't want to like gender things but it's 1979 it's texas i don't know if the mom is as psyched about going to this movie as the dad was and i feel like the mom has been sort of stockholm syndrome into thinking she's she loves taking her son to scary movies because she's sort of trying to defend the dad she's saying we're horror buffs or something um we take him to see

a lot of horror pictures and things right because we're we like horror movies would you recommend to your little friends who are your age to go see it uh no i wouldn't

this kid is never gonna be right i mean that's the main thing that jumped out of me was the dad I'm thinking aliens, that could have really happened, so we've got to be prepared.

I mean, he's got to know about these things. It's best for him to learn them on the big screen, you know, instead of on the streets.

But then there's about 30 more seconds, which is just some great, like, man, wasn't that a different time? So Bobby Wygnant is basically saying, like, we legally can't show you a lot of the scenes from this movie on television. But then she gets into sort of, like, I guess opining a little bit. According to the National Association of Broadcasters Code,

television cannot show you the more violent scenes from Alien. Several adults have walked out of the movie, but no parents with children have been seen leaving early. At $4 a ticket, perhaps they feel they have too much invested. Or maybe moviegoers don't equate sci-fi fantasy with real violence. Or maybe, as psychologists keep telling us, we Americans are becoming more and more immune to excessive behavior.

bobby wygand the texas news wow i love it four dollars a ticket and went really broad on just i thought i was gonna say like we're becoming like desensitized but like no like she just went for the whole thing excessive behavior that excessive behavior that's a very poison whatever that is yes um by the way hearing this this is a huge shift in tone this is a huge shift in tone My apologies for that. But I wanted to mention this to you. Speaking of wonderful Texas accents.

Oh, my gosh, dude, I was freaking crying. Yes, I thought you might. Were you friends with Wade Goodwin? I mean, I met him a few times in passing. I think we batons were passed maybe around Katrina, like him coming over. And when I was leaving or I wouldn't say I knew him well, but there was an obit. So sorry, I didn't mean to like.

Yeah, no, but NPR heads will recognize the voice and words of Wade Goodwin, a longtime reporter there who just had to, you know, in all of the obits that I'm seeing, like the first thing, of course, is his voice. He had a Texas accent and a very rich voice, but also just like a really good writer and storyteller.

And the way that they chose to memorialize him on All Things Considered yesterday was incredible. They had Debbie Elliott, who's another just amazing, super talented storyteller and journalist, and friend with Wade Goodwin. They had Debbie Elliott do his obit, and it was a masterful piece of radio. I guess maybe the term is journalism, or it was – the way that she used tape and the way that she wrote it, and by the end, it's like – I was just standing in my living room crying. I mean, a little bit because I knew Wade somewhat, but just I mean, if I had never met the person, if I maybe never even heard the name by the end of this of this obituary, I mean, it was affecting. It was if we have any journalism students out there or people that are interested in getting into, I don't know, trying to tell stories in some capacity would recommend checking out Debbie Elliott's obituary for Wade Goodwin because it was really there was. I remember I used to work with a producer a lot out of L.A. who she used to kind of travel to lots of hotspot stories and things like she was the producer that I did the Michael Jackson.

coverage with we once went to corpus christi when dick cheney shot someone in the face so she always like she was just kind of like one of the a producer who was always flying into somewhere and so she was helping produce some wade goodwin stuff one time and she just told me she's like yeah i got off the plane i just see this guy's waiting for me which was nice but he's just wearing these like these running shorts in the airport which were like like she's like i've never seen someone wearing running shorts that short i don't know why i don't know why that's always stuck in my mind when i imagine wade goodwin this like sort of sonorous like very kind of like uh you know texan and with the great ability to tell stories and he's covered you know he covered the oklahoma city bombing extensively he covered a lot of really part of this what they got into in this obit was that he just because of the quirk of geography you know he covered the branch davidian stuff he covered oklahoma city he covered elements of katrina like he found himself often covering these really pretty traumatic events um and it kind of you know it it did weigh on him heavily which is one of the things that they in in the obit they use his own reporting where he's telling this story and again please everyone just go listen to the piece because i'm not going to do

it justice and listen to the i'm just looking at it next i'm sending it to myself for later it looks like there was a shorter version on morning edition today but you're looking for

the one that they played yesterday uh like was like seven minutes or something exactly that's what i found here really would that i mean that one was really good um they they use this um at the very end of the piece it's it's it's wade goodwin in his own writing and his own voice i guess talking about maybe after like he'd been i think it was he had been covering the oklahoma city bombing in the aftermath you know 24 hours a day for some period of time and when you're thrown into those i've only been in a couple situations kind of like that but when you get thrown into one of those things as a reporter for like npr or any big journalism outfit it just totally consumes you because you feel like you're missing some part of the story or you're gonna you know you just you become totally obsessed and he's talking about how he was trying to record the audio for the story that he had written that day and that he kept um breaking down in tears like trying to just read the stuff and that like he couldn't um he couldn't get through it and then finally you know he like takes a couple breaks and tells the engineer sorry okay and he comes out he gets through it and he says he finishes and he gets a call from his editor that says okay you're done like you need to go home like you've been there like you're having you know pretty big emotional crisis over this and uh and and so you know go he said you've done a good job uh goodwin go home and so he did and then debbie elliott closes out the piece kind of echoing that you've done a good a good job wow i mean whoo yeah it was uh it was really really powerful so um yeah

rest in peace yeah rest in peace 63 years old i know not old that's the other thing about getting

old like i am yeah everyone who passes away now seems like it's always too young pretty much you know with you know within reason i did a story about a guy who died at 109 recently that's probably you've done enough living 109 no one's gonna say too young but just about everyone else now when i hear about them passing i think that's i start doing the math i'm like 63 well i'm 47 you know that's like what 16 years yeah 16 years god i've got to get my acting career going i have 16 years left i'm never gonna be a matinee idol you gotta make it into the nba man first nba and then i spin that into an acting career right exactly within 16 years right exactly like michael jordan uh-huh uh from the movie space jam i was gonna say i was trying to think if he was in a more obscure movie that would be a funnier like michael jordan from the like michael jordan from the lebron james movie space jam like michael jordan from the haynes commercials um all right uh speaking of movies uh the flame and hot movie comes out today i didn't know about this my friend Seth my good friend Seth B from actually Jesus Creek days who I text with on the occasion texted me yesterday goes are you psyched the Flamin' Hot movie is coming out tomorrow and my because I'm such a killjoy my response was did you know that's all a lie and then I send him the LA Times like the pretty pretty exhaustive LA Times piece where they decided to really deep dive into the question of if the guy who gets the credit for Flamin' Hot Cheetos you think i would have this story actually right in front of me uh uh i want to make sure i have uh his name correct there's a guy you know from uh who's a motivational speaker now and um i think his last name is montanez who the story had gone for years and i had told this story to people right we talked about this on the show yeah we talked about it before we knew that it was kind of made up richard montanez is the name of of the guy who for a long time was regarded as the person who invented flame and Hot Cheetos. And the story was a really beautiful

story and again it was a story that i had repeated many times at parties so as to wow people that like get a load of this flaming hot cheetos in fact the story was so it's sort of what's the word that it got so kind of um detailed that i was like so the story that i was telling people was that they used to sometimes have the um assembly line would like break down at this Extruded snack Manufacturer In Rancho Cucamonga I think it was Rancho Cucamonga maybe Where this guy Richard Montanez worked And so what would happen is you'd have all these like Cheetos that didn't have any flavoring on them They were just like the basically extruded Corn snack I only know that's what it's called Because I also did a radio story about Flaming Hot Cheetos many years ago

Which is why so many people think of you first when they think of

And I mean I have to say I have to be totally honest I think I might have done like The first national piece about the sort of like bizarre popularity of Flamin' Hot Cheetos. I think there was even like, I was a little butthurt because I went back and reread the entire LA Times piece yesterday. And there was a link where they said the Pasadena School District has even banned them. And then there was a link and you clicked on it. It was a dead link. And I was like, was that a link to my story?

Oh, yeah.

Because the only reason that I knew that the Pasadena School District had banned Flamin' Hot Cheetos was because my first ex-wife worked. She ran an after school program In the Pasadena school district An arts program And she came home one day And she was like Get a load of this The kids at the school Can't have Flamin' Hot Cheetos anymore And so I was like Really? And so I looked into It was like probably The one and only piece Of semi-enterprise journalism I ever did It wasn't like There was an LA Times piece And then I went out And reported it Which was often how Those stories would come about for me This is one where someone That I knew Just experienced something And said This might be a story It's crazy They don't let the kids Have Flamin' Hot Cheetos

Because they were getting too excited about them

Because they were a huge As I think I said in the story They were described as a janitorial nightmare Because the dust And then kids would also They'd get the dust all over their hands And then they would wipe their eyes And then their eyes would be They'd have to go to the nurse's office They'd get dusty fingerprints on everything There would be fights about the Cheetos What happened in my radio story of course was They all had the Cheetos They just had to wait until like 3 o'clock And then the second the bell went off all these kids just break out this contraband. But so anyway, I, I have, you know, been kind of following this for some amount of time. So that's why I know it's called an extruded corn snack. But basically like the story was that they would have these boxes of these like Cheetos that weren't going to ever actually get made into real Cheetos because there had been some breakdown on the assembly line. And this guy, Richard Montanez took home these unflavored Cheetos and then Used his local kind of neighborhood Recipes involving you know Really spicy things and and and lime And stuff like that and kind of made these These treats that were sort of similar to Stuff that was being sold in the in the Neighborhood and is you know mostly like Mexican-American mostly Latino neighborhood And that then he called the CEO of Like PepsiCo or whatever Frito-Lay and then like Pitched him and even though he was a You know a janitor at the factory or something And that he pitched the guy and that the guy Then they made Flamin' Hot Cheetos and they were a big hit That was the story that I was telling people because I had read this story a bunch of times until the L.A. Times wrote this piece that went through the real timeline of what happened and pointed out the many ways in which this could literally not have happened, including the fact that like, well, I mean, the first thing is they just have a very a pretty detailed like sort of paper trail of what really happened, which was there were these folks. There was like a team of people working for Frito-Lay in the upper Midwest, in more like Michigan and places like that, Chicago, Detroit. And what they were noticing is that there's a business that they were in charge of called Up and Down the Street. And that means the mini marts and the little like bodegas and things like that. And they would literally go in there and figure out like what snacks are selling. And what snacks were selling were hot things, like spicy things. All the local kids were coming in there and getting excited to buy some spicy hot thing. And so just in the most unfun, in the most corporate way, they identified this as a market that they wanted to try to penetrate. And then they created they did all these tests and they they created this like, you know, Flamin' Hot Cheetos thing. And it's all very well documented. And the reason I know that that that PepsiCo and Frito-Lay isn't lying is because they let the fake story go on for many years because it's way better.

I this is a good example. I remember on the media a long time ago, a long time ago, Brooke Gladstone talking about the problem with corrections of correcting the record on something is that when people hear a fascinating story or just any story, the first time they hear it, that imprints on them and they believe that's the truth. And then sometimes when you hear a correct. to that story you're repeating the lie in order to in order to correct the record right and it reinforces like when you started this i didn't realize i don't remember this correction how did

we how did the truth come out the la times decided some reporter that decided to spend the better part of a year just like bird dogging this i think what really happened was there was a woman in the midwest who was worked for frito uh i think it's technically owned by pepsi that's why i keep going back and forth. It's like Pepsi Frito-Lay. Basically, the woman who actually invented this or at least shepherded it along, she came up with the mascot, which is this chubby baby devil with a pokey fork. She came up with the name. She came up with the idea of what would be on the bag because she was just the person in charge of the R&D in that part of the country. I think eventually she heard, for one thing, a lot of the people who had worked on the project in the midwest had either retired or passed away there wasn't a ton of institutional memory and uh frito lay wasn't really arguing with this great story because it was selling more flaming hots and it was a cooler story and i think the woman who actually invented it was a little bit miffed eventually she was like look i just don't love that someone else is taking credit for this thing that i worked on with a team and made happen and so maybe that Maybe she tipped off the L.A. Times, but the L.A. Times did a very, very extensive, long. It's as if they're like looking into, you know, CalPERS, like someone embezzling from the like the state retirement agency or something. But no, it's just who invented this snack. I was going to say, yeah, how is there George Santos coverage? Right. Well, but that's how that's how this came out. And this is also interesting, Andrew. I did a screen cap today of if you were to Google Flamin' Hot, this is a real kind of breakdown of the different way that news organizations cover this story. And this is a little bit to your point. So if you just Google Flamin' Hot today and then you get the news results, top result, New York Times. Who created Flamin' Hot Cheetos? A new movie seeks answers. Then you get to Slate Magazine. Flamin' Hot movie, the quote true story of the Cheetos inventor is a bunch of baloney. Then you get down to USA Today We're getting I don't want to say USA Today is not journalistic But it's just I don't know I guess I feel like We might even have listeners that work for USA Today I don't want to Again, I believe that their journalism is fairly sound But the headline from USA Today is Flamin' Hot Movie Ava Longoria Talks Hot Cheetos Origins And what I think happened was The people from the film company Wanted to make Ava Longoria available But only to news outlets that weren't going to ask her too many questions about if this is real or not So they decided USA Today would be They didn't make her available to the New York Times And by the way, I have the quote from Ava Longoria in USA Today The one question they ask her The claim, and they mean the claim of this guy Montanez inventing it The claim has been contested in a 2021 Los Angeles Times investigation Well, contested is a real That's USA Today writing, sorry The claim has been contested

No it's been debunked Exactly contested is like well there's two sides of the story There are very clearly not Two sides of the story there are other things that I can't even remember all the details from the LA Times piece But there are things where it's like Montanez Like didn't even work At a place or this certain thing didn't happen Until like 1992 But then they have all this like Documentation and videos literally like Internal videos where they were trying to Promote Flamin' Hot Cheetos within the company that are from like years before montanez is even saying like he did it and like you know i mean it's like it's just not contested it's just provably not the case that he you know invented this or whatever um but the us but usa today describes it as contested the claim that has been contested in a 2021 los angeles times investigation but longoria said she quote never wanted to tell the history of the flaming hot cheeto i've always been committed to telling richard's story like so what does that mean i never wanted to tell the history of the flame and hot cheeto i mean the movie's called flame and hot and she wanted to tell richard's story

that's montanez that's so but that's not but minus right minus inventing the flame and hot cheeto i don't really know what the story is that's not yeah like and and chances are like this this movie is not about the lie that was told like that is yeah this is galling and because now that it's a movie i mean to the point that anybody cares about this i don't think this is going to be like a blockbuster but like people will like just you know now more more people will just go around telling this this story hey did you know the true story behind it is fascinating it's like it's bullshit then then it's up to somebody at like thanksgiving to be like actually like do i need to debunk this one or not or should i just let this one go and there's one more

headline that i didn't even get to that's the ap movie review

Flamin' Hot Cheetos gets a loaded origin story that's one that's worth the crunch. So they like, this is, I read way too much about this movie this morning, Andrew. And what's really interesting is, as a movie, as a piece of filmmaking, people are giving it sort of like decent reviews. Like what I'm seeing is the people who are being like, you could say pedantic, or you could say want to live in a fact-based reality. But there's those people that are like, hey, this is not a real story. And then there are people that are going, But as a film, it's got some cute kids that it's very heartwarming. And I think for me, the issue is, I mean, I don't think that, you know, the Avengers movies are real. But the difference is if you watch the trailer for Flame and Hot, it says based on a true story. That's the issue for me is that it is presenting itself as a true story when it's in fact provably not true. And it just it's kind of making me crazy because, you know, movies take creative license all the time with things. And most movies are just a made up story from someone's head. But this is a made up story from someone's head and someone's pocketbook, by the way, that is then being presented as a true thing. And then there's another element to it. And this is where we are probably not the most well equipped to really get into this. But I'm seeing a lot of people talking about it as an important story for people who are Latino or Latinx in that, you know, that's one of the things Ava Longoria is really going hard with in the USA Today interview is like, you know, she's saying we don't see a lot of movies where the hero of the story is somebody who has brown skin, somebody who is, you know, their background is from Central or South America. And so really it's almost like what I'm getting The implication of all that is Don't rain on our parade This is a feel good story for people Who are not getting enough feel good stories Where they're centered in it So who fucking cares who invented the chip And it's like

It's the wrong solution to a real problem though

It's the wrong solution to a real problem right Right I mean I think that's where I come down on it too Because I was like wow so now we're like It just means that And it just means we're just actively lie to folks to try to, like you said, solve a real problem. But with this approach, again, maybe a lot of this, too, I think is just because of – I think I feel overall like I've been watching the Flamin' Hot beat for so long that then to see it have its kind of apotheosis and it's everyone just going to pretend that this is what happened?

Like it makes me crazy. I'm sorry that I'm a little distracted. I have a cat who wants to leave my office, but I cracked the door for him enough that he should be able to put his little paw through there and open it. But instead, he's just kind of wandering around here. This is actually going to be taking down this entire operation in no time.

Get the cat out of there. I made a major blunder. I started a land war in Asia. Uh-oh. I thought I was Mr. Cool Guy with my coffee. You know, I got this coffee cup that has a lid on it to keep the cat out of there.

You're so Mr. Cool Guy with your coffee.

I thought I was being smart, though. I thought I was being a smart little girl. But I had actually not refilled my coffee. I had coffee in this cup that I thought was piping hot. And then right as the intro tape started, I took a sip and it was ice cold. Oof.

Okay.

And I've had to suffer through this entire program without my compliment of warm coffee. So you fix the cat. I'll get the coffee. You hear that?

You're getting fixed again.

You fix the cat. I'll get the coffee. And then we'll do a little music for your weekend. Sounds good. Sweet. All right. let's do a little music for your weekend before we skeet up do you have any fun weekend plans

what do i have yeah i'm getting together with some friends tonight my big thing though is operation hedge trimming wait i thought you uh i thought you you did that it's a long job i started it um earlier this week i think on monday i got like the front of the house done yesterday i got like a long inside part of the hedge done but i'm a very like kind of a very ocd tendency so i don't like leaving things sort of half done right so is it raining up there but yeah so this is interesting so i thought that even today like i thought maybe i could get done with my work and then maybe get out there and do a couple of hours before my evening plans but the rain sort of told me no why don't you just focus on like work work today and then i think the sun's going to come out tomorrow afternoon again and i'm thinking i can wrap up the majority of the project not the back hedges which are just kind of beastly and a whole a whole project in themselves but i wanted um i i want the the genevieve's having another summer party and so i wanted to have the hedges sort of like uh kempt if that's a word as opposed to un exactly before uh before that party and i also want them to have a little bit of time to grow back they look a little bit butchered after you Thank you.

cut them back a little right it's like a haircut on a person right right try not to get a haircut if it's the literal day i have to do something where they're filming it exactly so i wanted to

kind of get it done this weekend so i was telling vives i feel like this rain might have been like fortuitous in a certain way like because not only does it kind of dictate when and where i'm going to do this this weekend but also like i think the hedges could use the hedges in the lawn could use a little rain it's been a very dry spring and summer so far and now like this will help get some new growth going so i'm very um i'm very uh sanguine about the rain today yeah you're rolling

with it yeah i was all excited to um head up to the other place and uh first of all check it out i mean they did this like the the largest change in the literally in the entire project just happened yesterday when they pulled an entire side of the house off and like um and which i was overjoyed by because you know me i'm just like dying for them to make progress but um then of course i get up this morning it's like it's not just raining a little bit here it's like pretty steadily raining like pretty hard and i'm like oh great so like the house is so exposed right it's been it's been sunny in 85 for the last two weeks or something but anyway i was gonna go up there and mow the lawn and stuff today but um i think i'm gonna have to wait until this uh this weekend for that but um but i have a i have a i have a i'm feeling my andrew right now which is i have an overly packed social schedule this weekend i just don't know if i'm up for it oh i thought

you're gonna say that i thought you're gonna say you're gonna like kind of tuck in but um no you're

unfortunately you have to do a bunch of well it's because you know i mean i think that i i think of myself as a pretty social person and uh you know you're sometimes like man if i've got two things

in a weekend yeah no i feel like a busy weekend i'm trying to relegate it to one or two i'm sorry either a friday night or a saturday night but you don't get both world i think i'm i think i'm really

started to enter my andrew phase of life because so um tomorrow night there's a going away party for a friend of becca's and that starts at seven and that's presumably going to be an all-night deal and then sunday i'm going to we're going to a timbers game with um some friends which doesn't start until seven and i'm just like i gotta like i gotta be social on saturday and sunday night i know i gotta think at seven i know i i like immediately i just assumed it's a timbers game it'll be at one then i like texted becca i was like you know this is at seven there's a text

chain going with some friends who want to get together this weekend and somebody said um okay well let's do it seven or eight and i'm just i didn't say sunday or this is for saturday but or no i'm sorry this is for tonight but either way i was just kind of like please say seven please say seven but i didn't say anything and then somebody said okay eight o'clock and i'm just kind of like uh i know it's a friday eight o'clock but like i am really just becoming those memes of people who do not like to leave the house like all the i feel like every cartoon in my instagram now is like is a is a adult woman saying to another adult woman let's make plans to cancel them sometimes i know but like i mean let's be honest seven on a sunday yeah on a sunday that way lies madness what are we even what are we even talking about on a sunday especially like

i love it that it was like someone it was like someone in the family died when i had to confirm with becca you know this is at seven we agreed to do this but you know this is at 7 p.m right

on a sunday i am doing some reading here about my somewhat spontaneous music for your weekend pick diana ross please don't eat me eaten alive is the name of the album it came out in 1985 and i am learning a lot of dazzling details about this so first of all the album was kind of conceived by and uh primarily written by barry gibb of the bgs and then a lot of co-writing from you know all of his famous brothers including andy uh michael jackson uh apparently co-wrote and performed On the title track Which I'm going to be playing for you We usually do not play Michael Jackson on this show But I think in this case We're not really I don't think we're pumping A lot of money into the estate By playing Eaten Alive By Diana Ross It was not a very successful record By commercial standards

It's really interesting The cover

Yes, it's not like Diana Ross It's not like the You know, it's not the girl group era This is 1985 And she's like very sultry And laying down with a tiger

Well, it looks like a cross between a prince album cover looks at the cost between purple rain and some michael jackson

thing actually yeah that you're right yes yes and then i can't tell if this tiger is real or not i don't think it is i think it might or it might it might have been real but maybe i mean at some

point yeah now i want to know the story on this cover shoot did diana ross say like okay i'm cool with like i'm going to be stringing some pearls through like a tiger's mouth but it is not going to be an alive real tiger i am not doing that that i don't think that was tiger is alive i do not think that tiger is alive i know i don't think so either but it's notably not alive yeah like like i feel like you just either get a live one or let's rethink the concept yeah but this this it just

has strong 80s vibes to it i don't think they were rethinking anything it's very yeah the the cocaine fueled 80s we need a tiger we need pearls we need the whole thing tigers and pearls this is interesting if you scroll down a little bit further now we haven't even heard the title track yet which i will play for you in a moment before after thriller let's see this is 85 so i'm thinking there may be around the same time this is right after when did thriller come out 84 let's see when i would have guessed 85 as well but because i'm just wondering if there was also like michael jackson was no not 82 thriller was way earlier than i thought i just think it's kind

of interesting because i wonder if it was like okay michael jackson had this crazy hit with thriller so now what we're doing is these kind of like almost like slightly i don't want to say horror show but you know what i mean like something called eaten alive looking at that cover michael jackson helps out this is three years after thriller is this major hit it's just like you wonder if they were like we were kind of we're trying to have another thriller you know i'm

trying to um i i was not a big uh michael jackson head um but of course growing up in the 80s he was kind of omnipresent like i remember several times renting i think you've mentioned this on the show as well the vhs tape of the making of thriller like that was like a i don't know it wasn't feature length but i think it was like a maybe an hour long or something and like john landis is that who the director was yeah i don't i don't remember that name but i remember like we would like hey can we get that again and then like it ends with the thriller video i believe and it was like it was just like such an event i didn't realize that was 1982 i'm trying to think what was he was he like doing like the the bad stuff at 1985 or is my no no i don't think oh maybe maybe maybe that was let's see bad is 87 how does there's nothing between 82 and 87 from michael jackson that is shocking to me but anyway yeah like i i actually never liked thriller very much

like i loved i loved other stuff from uh from off the wall um from that album like earlier

disco-y dancey stuff yeah exactly like literally the song like uh i liked off the wall i liked um as a kid you liked this stuff or more as like as you were establishing your musical taste

i probably had almost no opinion on michael believe it or not even though he was the probably the number one you know music star in the world i didn't have a strong opinion on him when i was really little other than i didn't like thriller probably it just scared me or i don't i didn't like the vincent price sort of beginning i didn't like the camp i'm not into camp like they're like we're at a we're at a thriller you know i'm michael jackson and i'm at a thriller i'm at a i'm watching a thriller movie with my date it's kind of 1950s and then he turns into this you know monster or whatever like i just didn't care like the the story of thriller didn't really interest me very much but then when i did start to really consider michael jackson at all it was like don't stop till you get enough rock with you off the wall those songs pretty much everything else off off the wall i was like those are just masterpieces i think you used to do did you used to just do some of those on karaoke no way out of my range i mean the the that guy's vocal abilities were

pretty were pretty amazing okay so i'm sorry back to diana ross one actually one quick dazzling detail one last dazzling detail about this album as i just read to you from wikipedia is apparently because again this was sort of like a barry gibbs project or a barry gibb project that and you know

I mean, those guys were so rich. Couldn't they buy an S?

I always want to call them Barry Gibbs or the Gibbs brothers. There's so many of them. They're plural by nature, which is one of the albums I'm working on.

Yeah, that was, who put out plural by nature? That was Treach, I think.

Anyway, apparently there are some early demos of this album where the songs are sung and performed by Barry Gibb. And iTunes released that in 2006. Now, that's interesting. I would go back and listen to that.

Now, you know who would know about that? And I wonder if some of your plans involve this person tonight. They don't. Camaro Kev. Camaro Kev, but I need to bring him into this conversation. Camaro Kev is a real, he's a real knower of a lot of things about music of that era, but he's a big, he knows a lot about those Gibb brothers.

He certainly does. So here's what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to play the title track. None of the songs on here on Spotify are like in the six digits, which I mean, that's very low for a Diana Rock. Anything that has Diana Ross's name on it. I guess the one exception is Chain Reaction. That must have been the big hit off of that because that has, like, over 53 million listens. The rest of these are in, like, the humble tens of thousands, including the title track here. I do not – man, I probably have not listened to this unless I went on this journey on the show before and forgot about it. I don't think I've listened to this since I was a child in my dad's car listening to it on cassette tape. So I want to listen to the beginning. I almost wonder if it does have some sort of theatrical intro, not unlike Thriller. I would be shocked if it didn't.

So let's listen to that. I've never listened to it. I've only learned about it like 25 minutes ago. I'm going to put $100 on the fact that there's some kind of something going on before the singing starts.

Definitely, because it sort of seems in that vein. the title track is Eaten Alive and is track number one on an album called Eaten Alive and like I told you I know this song ends with sounds that I found both exciting and scary as a kid but we're going to start with the beginning and then I'll maybe skip ahead to the end at some point because I do want to hear that payoff so here you go as everybody has been anxiously awaiting this is Eaten Alive by Diana Ross If you listen closely, you can tell this is not from the 60s. This is not the Supremes. Discerning ears can tell.

Baby, baby, don't eat me alive.

You forget and let your spirit breathe. Catch you in my blood is red. And I'm the victim of a ritual. For you, my skin is shed. Ecstasy ain't what you find. In a modern world. When my time changes, it's the need of a world. And you said that it's impossible. It's not impossible to do. Oh, you knew that just what I could see. That's how you can be. I don't want to get eaten alive

That's MJ on backup vocals, right? Yes, yes.

I don't want to get eaten alive To be eaten alive Eaten alive I don't ever want to be

Eaten alive

Weirdly, that part, that ha-ha, eaten alive part, does go through my head from time to time. It's quite the catchy hook there, and you can definitely hear the Michael Jackson popping in there, and then let's go it would be really I don't know funny tragic tragic comedy if me playing this much of this terrible music is what gets us pulled off of Spotify again but let's skip ahead to the end of the song see if we can hear some bone crunching I don't want you to be scared here Luke

No more arms I can trust, you see, I don't want to get eaten, no more arms I can trust, you see, I don't want to get eaten, no more arms I can trust, you see, I don't want to get eaten, down to the tree, brought all over me, to eat, you can rip my shirt, drag me in the dirt, to eat, I will be your slave, anything you say, I don't ever want to be, eaten alive.

whoa that sounds exactly like emptying the trash on a mac you are so right is that how we got here

i forgot that that's how we got here i was asking you if your computer makes that sound and i said no but i i'm familiar with the sound from the track eaten alive boy very michael jackson-y

it really delivered i mean that's i mean listen i peace and love to diana ross who's a legend but That's a Michael Jackson song. Yeah, right?

You know?

And actually, you know what? If I can take this to a slightly weird place, I think that as we're thinking about kind of like Diana Ross, it gives me even more of a respect and appreciation for Tina Turner and what she was able to actually accomplish. Because Diana Ross, you know, after having been in like the Supremes, I mean, she had some hits. She had certainly some disco hits. I'm not trying to say that Diana Ross didn't have like a post Motown career because she did. She had some certainly some huge bangers. I think what was I'm coming out. That was a biggie and upside down and stuff. But it's hard. I think I can only imagine how hard it would be to be a black woman in America performer who's had a sort of one version of yourself out there, you know, which is like you're this Motown, you know, baby, baby. Where did our love go? and how challenging it then is to sort of reinvent yourself and if you think about it like Tina Turner was Tina Turner singing you know Proud Mary and performing with Ike Turner and and being this kind of certain kind of performer and then goes away, goes through all this stuff, and then comes back, I think, in her mid-30s, and that's when she puts out the album that had, like, What's Love Got to Do With It? And for her to just have this whole next phase of her career where she's just massively popular and making relevant radio hits, that is, like, so much harder than I think one could imagine. And when you look at Diana Ross's career, like, I don't think you said there's tens of thousands of listens of these songs off of that particular album. I just think it's so hard to do, And it gives me an appreciation for that Tina Turner was able to do it. Yeah, not to be disparaging of Diana Ross in any way, shape or form.

No, but I mean, similarly, although not a black woman, I think the description you just gave of Cher's career reminds me a bit of, did I say Cher? I mean, I was going to say Cher. The description you just made of Tina Turner's career reminds me of Cher a little bit as well, right? Like very specific, like 1960s, like, you know, very like kind of bubble gum and incense pop or whatever she was doing with Sonny. I don't know how to describe that. And then and then to parlay that into, like, what she became in the 80s, like gay icon and and just and still to this day, a powerhouse, a cultural powerhouse.

And, yeah, still putting out, like, you know, songs, or at least as of, you know, what was the song where she had the I can't break free? Do you believe in life after love or whatever?

Which is pretty old now, but seemed like very modern when it was popular, like that's in the last, what, 15 years? God, I'm so old. Not even. I had a bunch of 20 years or more, I would say.

I was like, I remember hearing that song and being like, damn, Cher still got it. That was 20 years ago. I'm going to be so sad. Let me see.

I'm looking it up. Do you believe in life after love year? 1998.

Oh, my gosh. That's so long ago. Yeah, that's like 25 years. I would have told you that song was from four years ago.

Do you believe?

I do it, too. I do a lot of impressions, and that's one of them. I have. You want to talk about – you were wondering if I had tried some Michael Jackson at karaoke. Actually, you know, Camaro and I used to do The Girl is Mine, and we would always argue about who had to be Paul McCartney and who had to be Michael Jackson because the Michael Jackson part is so much harder. But you want to talk about karaoke disasters There's a song by Cher Called Just Like Jesse James Which is Such a good song But so hard to sing And I became obsessed with this song some years ago Do you know this song at all? I think I I probably played it on the show

I think you've played it or talked about it before

It just has Can you just play a little bit of the song Just Like Jesse James by Cher I'm sorry for people that have already heard this But no one talks about this song And I feel like it's in her top like five songs And it's so like It just has like such a great kind of I don't know, propulsive like Rhythm and hook to it Like Are you able to grab that on Spotify?

So this is This is 1989

We'll be right back. What you don't realize is it's getting higher and higher and higher.

Let's hear the chorus.

Tonight Somebody's gonna win the fight So if you're so tall Come on and prove it Your heart is down for the count And you know you're gonna lose it Tonight you're gonna go down in flames Just like Jesse James

I mean, that is, I feel, a certified hit song. And it never even comes up in the conversation around Cher's music. You know, it's funny you said that nobody knows this song.

I'm like, no, I feel like I used to hear this on the radio, but maybe I only know it from being in karaoke bars with you.

Well, I only tried it once because that's really the third rail of karaoke for me. It was one of those times, not unlike when I was recently trying to sing Closer to Fine, where I was just like, oh, God, please let this song be over. Right. It just got so much higher because Cher's voice sounds very low. You know? Yeah.

But it was not very good. Hey, the song that I wanted to suggest this week is also an oldie, and it's from somebody who actually passed away this week at age 83, Astrid Gilberto, who is most famous for singing the song The Girl from Ipanema, which I've actually got a little bit of that here. Not that people need a reminder, but of course I've got like a – Oh, this is maybe the original. No, this sounds like it's live somewhere. It's from Verve Jazzmaster, so you know it's going to be some... Do I need to play the girl from Ipanema to remind people of the song? Everyone knows the song, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so she passed away at 83 this week, and I was reading this obit of hers in the New York Times, and it was pretty interesting because basically she was married to a Brazilian singer, and they went up to the u.s to he was recording an album and um with uh i think let's see uh stan getz maybe and they were the guy was named jao gilberto this brazilian singer and they go up to new york city to record this album with stan getz and um there's somebody they've they have this song the girl from ipanema but they don't have anyone to sing it and it's kind of one of those classic stories where she sort of was like well i'll sing it and then she does and it's just like incredible major international hit now it turns out she'd actually been singing privately a lot and singing for her friends and their friends and so it wasn't like as kind of overnight and in fact later in her life she was sort of frustrated that a lot of people perceived her to be just kind of this like sort of bimbo who happened to be right place right time but she was someone who took took it really seriously and had been preparing for this moment And it wasn't an accident. It wasn't a fluke that she did this. But she has another song called Agua de Beber, which is, I think, water to drink in Portuguese, which I love so much. I've started so many Spotify radio stations and Pandora playlists off of this song. Because if it is summertime and you are trying to relax somewhere and you make a radio station or a playlist or an algorithm based on this Astrid Gilberto song, you will have a good day, I promise you. So can we hear a little bit of this, Agua de Beber?

I wanted to love, but I was afraid And I wanted to save my heart But love knows a secret Maybe it's just because I love bossa nova music,

but I think Portuguese is one of the most beautiful languages to sing in. When it's being spoken, I find it a little confusing. It has a lot of kind of phonics that I'm not used to, but as far as a language that people are singing in, I'm into it I'm here for it This is very Cocktails at the pool That's for damn sure Well that's And you know That's a whole It's a whole personality for me I just don't have a pool Actually no I have a pool Andrew I don't know if you saw On Instagram I have this kiddie pool That I bought That's actually More of a pain in the ass To inflate Than I was expecting But I bought like One of those hipster kiddie pools A hipster kiddie pool I didn't know that was a thing It kind of is It's By that I just mean What happens on Instagram a lot is there something that was not stylized was not overly stylized before like a fairly straightforward product i can't think of a good example let's just say a paperweight or a spray bottle or a something that just was more or less utilitarian and then someone had the bright idea we could make this cooler and then we could sell it for way more and so um i started to see these ads for like an inflatable it's like it's like if there was an a small inflatable little like kiddie pool in a Wes Anderson movie you know like it's just I'll send you a picture of it it's like it's hard to describe except other than saying it's kind of a hipster kiddie pool but the other day I was up there at the other place and it was super warm and I just like inflated this thing and filled it with water and sat in there and listened to the Mariners game

And it was actually really fun, and I was like, man, a real swimming pool is a tremendous amount of hassle and responsibility and expense, and this thing cost me $80 and took me 25 minutes to set up and fill up with water, and now I'm sitting in it, and I'm feeling 70% of the experience of having a swimming pool with 1% of the hassle.

I was about to say, I can't imagine an $80 kiddie pool. Can you send me a pic? And then as I was about to say it, you sent me a pic. I see this, so, okay, yeah. Does that make sense when I say hipster kiddie pool? Kind of, yeah. So you must have to sit crisscross applesauce in there?

No, it's actually – I'll send you another picture, Angie. Don't worry. Of your legs in the pool?

Exactly. Okay. Just keep asking questions, Walsh.

I actually could sit – I couldn't lie down in it, but I can sit so that my legs are fully extended. So I'm just sitting, my back is against one part of the, you know, one end of the circle, and then my feet are actually, you know, still in the water. So it's, I have to say-

Was the water cold? Of course, you're into cold water these days, but just like you filled it up with a hose, I assume?

Yeah, but one of the things I did, one of the things that's also kind of nice is it's not, I was worried it was going to be like a cold plunge that I wasn't really trying to sign up for.

Yeah, yeah.

But because it's not a crazy amount of water, I think, and if it's a warm day, I think it warms the water up pretty fast. Sure, yeah, that's cool. So, like, I found it to be tolerable. Like, I sat in it, and I sat in it for probably, like, a half hour, listened to the Mariners, had probably a little cocktail, and I had a nice little afternoon out there.

Let's see here. Was this the terrible game? You have to be more specific. Well, I'm trying to think. Was this the latest game they played, the Padres game? No, no, no.

This was, like, last week.

Oh, so, yeah, it probably was one of the terrible games. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I think it was. It wasn't the one win they've had in the past, like, seven games that they didn't get blown out of the water.

yeah okay yeah oh you know what it was a yankees game oh that's all you need to know and i don't think it was the one that they snuck from yeah i think it was one of the other ones did you read that just because we're here together and the ever all the listeners have left we can get down to it um did you read the um divish piece on like jerry depoto's radio appearance this week yeah i didn't

hear the radio appearance but i read the piece this morning because it was just yesterday that he was on he's got a regular this is the general manager is that his title no like base president of baseball operations whatever his title is for the mariners the guy who's in charge of like you know getting talent you know wheeling dealing trading or whatever and he's got a standing like segment a weekly segment on the flagship radio station that i listen to all the time and i like divish's divish's piece it started by saying like a lot of managers might have just skipped this one he said i'm sick but he he he um went on the radio and just talked about how kind of miserable this season has been which is weird because it's like a 500 season it's not like miserable like some people's baseball misery right now but the expectations were so high and you sort of feel like we're blowing an opportunity to be a really good baseball team well exactly and

i mean uh the problem is that there are other teams in our division that are going in a really good direction i mean we're 10 games out which is not great and uh so even though we're 500 it's like i think last year if we were 500 actually i don't know this for a fact but my sense is if we were 500 last year at this point we would still be in contention for i don't know the wild card or something i don't know where we fall on that continuum this year um or or on that metric like i mean what how far out of the wild card are we currently i don't think we're going to win the al

west yeah and i don't know how i don't know what the wild card standings look like um but yeah no i i've maintained like this whole time like okay it's not we haven't been great we're probably going to go on a winning streak at some point and we're going to scratch our way into the playoffs i'm starting to doubt that oh yeah i'm starting to doubt that but there's no and this is what

depoto was talking about there's no it's just like we just have like mass hysteria we have mass sucking going on with our hitting like and there's no explanation for it yeah he's like it's up and

down he's like i can't like we we're not going to get seven or eight new players in there he's like there's just something going on up and down the lineup right right I thought you meant up and down

like we have some good games and some bad games we just have some bad games yeah um but yeah it's like it's it's and just like we're so snake bit like we the everyone we acquired in the offseason to help has been terrible looking at you Colton Wong and Pollock and then uh the other players like you know uh like Eugenio and stuff like just everyone has just decided to be bad at hitting at the same time um which is really a killer for your team's chances and then our pitching is also kind of regressing to the mean now we've had this amazing run of really really great pitching outings and now we're like giving up 14 runs a game it's just like demoralizing now did uh so pollock is still on our major league

Thank you.

roster who's the person that we sent down i got there were two new names with an l um yeah there were two names that i would get confused a lot but you just mentioned pollock and and i have not been honestly like i'm not i don't consider myself a fair weather fan but like baseball again as i've described them many times it's sort of like just like it's kind of omnipresent in the summertime and you dip in you dip out and you know like because of because we've just been getting like not just losing games but uninteresting losses by just many many many runs five runs in the second

inning and we have and we get one hit yeah so i just demoralized so i'm not like in as engaged

as i usually am and so i wasn't even sure if pollock was still on the roster but like yeah we don't we don't have a designated hitter like we just don't it's just ridiculous you were pointing that out earlier in the season i'm like well you know you platoon it maybe it'll be fine it's not It's not fine.

Now, this is where I was about this time last year. So maybe we'll look back on this in three months and go, God, remember the darkest days and then something switched, some switch flipped. I mean, I don't know. You can't rely on 14-game winning streaks. I will say this, though, Andrew. There is one bright spot in all of this, and that is that your fantasy baseball team sounds like they are just absolutely destroying that league. So much so that our friend Joe Gerlitz, the commissioner of the league, reached out to me yesterday to remind me how much better the team is now that I'm not one of the managers.

Okay, so here's the deal here. And I said this to him, and I was maybe kidding on the square. Like, Joe makes it sound like I'm dominating the league. I am winning one of the two divisions. I'm, like, third place in the entire league, but I am in first place in one of the divisions. But he's right below me. There's not, like, a lot of space between number one and number two here. And what Joe did was Joe decided to jinx everything by sending an email that says, hey, congratulations. He wanted to rib me. He wanted to rib you, but also, like, really talk about, like, how, you know, whatever he said about having a more mature eye for talent. I did do something kind of sneaky this week. I mean, I don't know if sneaky is the right word, but there is a – I'm blanking on his last name. I don't know anything about baseball. There is a, I believe, a rookie outfielder for the Red Sox, Adam something, who got off to a really hot start and then and then got injured. And it was a place on the 60 day I.L. I coincidentally saw something like, oh, he's coming back. I don't know why I stumbled on this information, but I saw, oh, he's supposed to come back on Friday as in today. and you know it was a wrist injury he could really suffer from that but his recovery swings seem to be fine so i just like i picked up a player who was on the 60 day il a few days before he was scheduled to come off the il and he's gonna play tonight and like if he ends up being good again like that is such a steal like that will be the most crafty thing by the way

that's like a plus 1500 bet i love this for you like you're like i'm gonna buy low on this risky

risky thing but if it pays off boy howdy because he had a hot hot start to the season boy you know I should just look up his name I'm sorry that I didn't mention this uh or I didn't look this up earlier but um yeah and I just it's like I didn't know this guy's name until a few days ago but I was like oh I don't know he had a really hot start to the season coming off the IL Adam Duvall is his name by the way oh he's still listed as 60 day IL I have him slotted in today so let's let's get moving people uh let's get let's get him suited up but anyway yeah so this could pay off it might not but i i am winning my division i'm very happy about that but i am not in any way sitting on my laurels i am ready for this entire thing to to go up in flames at any moment i have a bad feeling

that it's either the mariners or your fantasy team like they can't both it's it's unfortunately it's like our friend television's chris hayes speaking of the previous president had one time fatefully uttered that you know basically i forget exactly what happened he jinxed it somehow he wanted the cubs to win the world series so badly oh on our show yeah brought about the rise of one

donald trump i asked him i asked him like could the could if you could choose between trump winning the election or or the cubs winning in other words like if the if the cubs win but donald trump also becomes president would you choose that and he said on the show i would and the cup the cubs did win the world series that year and trump became president thanks chris well the good news is he's

gonna have to govern from inside a prison now so that should i think cut cut back on some of his um you know ability to uh i don't know ruin this country even more but um all right on that note let's get to our let's look north to the great white way of i don't think that's really what they call it let's let's look up to canada where our friend bill in kingston formerly our friend Bill in Toronto, suggests a song. He says, hey there, I thought of you when I heard someone playing this in my mail depot that's just is that near the cafetorium he's he's a mail he's a mail carrier

right bill he sent us a bunch of uh canadian mail service oh so when he says mail depot it's like

probably where all of the mail gets sorted and he gets it and goes out i thought mail depot was like in canada like we have home depot here oh they just have mail depot i just thought it was the post office i don't know i'm sure you're right yeah i forgot that bill is a postman and post person so i just thought it was like um the cafetorium like they just have like maybe it's like one of those you know post office uh what do they call those like you know like places that are like a store it's like a private like mailboxes etc mailboxes etc thank you i figured they called mailboxes etc um the uh the mail depot right in canada but that's probably just where mailers get mail done thank you i actually have that song you'd think i would just play it The song is by the band Wet Leg. Have we played Wet Leg on this show before? You know, when you play this song, this very song, I didn't.

When I saw this listed, I was like, well, we must have played that because I know that this is a favorite song of a lot of our listeners. And Genevieve loved this song when it came out, I think, last summer. But I checked my records and I guess we haven't played this on the show. But, yeah, this is a hugely popular song amongst. Maybe it was a little too racy for us. It is a lot. It's all entendre. It's all entendre.

hondra so so basically yeah only smart kids are going to be scandalized by this song right and i

feel really bad about how i described my gmail before i threw an f word in there that i didn't really need to do and it also wasn't how people talk it was like in star trek 4 when spock tries to swear um and so i feel bad about already giving us the illicit or what is it the uh explicit

explicit i'm just this is the day where i don't have the energy it's my friday today andrew i have the energy to find the drops i just say my first yeah explicit um you could also bleep it

out i might you have because it was a weird it was a weird construction i don't mind using the f word from time to time but it's such a weird construction do you remember when spock tried to swear no i don't was that in like one of the movies yeah and star trek 4 i saw it in the

theater with my was that the one where they save the whales yeah it's all about i saw that in a

theater too it's the most 80s thing it's about saving the whales and it's like and they go back to like modern times so they and isn't there like they're on a bus right boom box and so it's kind of fun you get to see like what would you know it's like you know it seems like whatever yeah so like somebody on the bus has a giant boom box and then which is again a hallmark of the times and then like i think spock just makes the person pass out by doing the vulcan grip thing and then maybe stops the boom box i don't know but i feel like it's that same scene or maybe it's a running joke throughout that he's trying to assimilate and he's trying to learn how to swear, but he swears wrong.

It's so interesting that you and I, I don't know when that movie came out, probably what, mid-80s? Yeah, I'm guessing mid to late 80s, 87-ish

maybe or so. When did Even Alive

come out? Yeah, exactly. But it's so interesting that you and I, you're in Ohio, I'm in Washington State, we both went to see that movie in a theater because I was not a Trekkie of any kind. Yeah me too. I mean sometimes I'd see Star Trek on like you know it'd be playing on television and I would watch it and I always found it entertaining but it wasn't like I wasn't super into it I didn't have any you know models of the Enterprise or anything but like that movie came out and I was like oh I'm definitely seeing that in a theater like why were you and I both seeing that movie in a theater? I think

it was a pretty big cultural phenomenon. I don't know when Star Trek 3 came out but here's my memory of this so Star Trek 4 came out in 1986 I'm seeing here and my guess is like I always think of the the earlier Star Trek movies as being almost products of the 70s I don't know if I'm right about that and my guess is Star Trek 3 might have came out in the early 80s but it sort of felt like the Star Trek sort of franchise went quiet for a while and I feel like start I could be totally wrong about all of this but I feel like Star Trek 4 was like a really big deal because it was sort of like the the reawakening of the franchise and it really appealed to like kind of kids like us because this idea of like what they're the modern world like to see this these fish out of water like i feel like it was just i feel like

it was a cultural phenomenon it's funny though because like first of all i was trying to google star trek four and i guess they're remaking it now so all of the oh why would you remake a four that's weird who knows we're out of ideas but like i the voyage home was what this was called what i was trying to get to the bottom of was i wonder how old by the way they made it for 26 million and it made 133 million i'm i'm curious how actually old the actors were the cast was because what i seem to remember from it even being a kid was thinking because this is 1986 i mean you could figure it out pretty quickly by like okay leonard namoy

was born in 1931 so okay so uh what's the math on that he's like 55 or something and i bet you that um i bet you uh what's his name uh who's the main guy in that what's his name oh yeah about bill shatner he was born in uh 1931 okay so he's 92 now i just remember thinking these guys are pretty old to be in a movie like the number one movie in america was like a bunch of guys in their 50s like trying to squeeze i mean not so much for leonard namoy but like for some of them trying to squeeze into their like star trek uniforms 20 years or so after you know the tv show that was only on for a season or two had kind of run its course maybe not 20 years but probably i mean the original star treks are in black and white right um no i don't think so oh really i don't Maybe that's just, I'm sure that's me Mandela, Mandela-ing it. I guess, I guess my point is just, it's an interesting thing that, that I just don't know if we get a version of that now. Like when you're looking up the, like when I'm looking up Star Trek four and it's going, Chris Pine weighs in on the reboot of Star Trek four. It's like, yeah, we have Chris Pine in these now. Like when you make a movie like that, you don't have the people who were in the original TV show from 15 or 20 years ago sitting on a bus. You find hotter, sexier, younger versions of them And you do a reboot or something

And you were having that thought You mean back as a kid

Well, I mean, I didn't know anything about The reboot culture that would come around But I think I remember I honestly think it might have had to do A bit with Scotty Like James Doolin

Yeah, and he's like aging And he's got the big Well, Andy Reid-esque mustache

He's kind of a strawberry of a man I feel like he was kind of like getting you know his he was wearing his age pretty like sort of pretty james dohan was his name and it was like i just i just remember being like this guy's pretty like i was not i was not a person who would see the movie cocoon at the time which as we've pointed out many times featured many actors who are probably younger than we are now but anyway like a movie like cocoon would see like would seem like a movie for old people to me but i'm watching the star trek movie and i'm looking At James Doohan Who could have definitely just also been Shooting Cocoon at the same time

What I need to do in my life And maybe I should assign myself This weekend, I need to rent I need to go to Blockbuster and rent The Abyss and Cocoon And watch them so Hopefully for once and for all I will be able to separate them in my brain Maybe watching them on the same weekend would be a mistake Maybe it would just conflict things even more

It's like, you know the thing that they You know what Phantom Limb? pain is, and how they manage to, one of the very surprising ways that they can sort of alleviate it with the mirror box. No, I don't know about the mirror box, I don't think. So sometimes people who've lost a limb will still have pain where that limb would have been, and one of the feelings, if it might have been an arm, is that it'll be a really strong cramping, like your phantom limb is making a fist, and you can't undo the fist Because that limb doesn't exist anymore But some scientists figured out That you could build this mirror box Where the mirror box Basically reflects your other existing limb And you Unclench your fist with your existing limb And when you look at the mirror box It's as if your phantom limb is unclenching And it provides It can provide a tremendous amount of relief That's what you need to do with these two movies You need to untangle them in some way So you know which one you're trying to talk about

That is not – that's why I think one of my favorite sketches from I Think You Should Leave is when Tim Robinson puts on a VR mask for a couple of minutes and then forgets how to use his body. The connection between your brain and your body is actually quite fascinating. It sure is.

I wish ours were connected more when we were doing the show. I think it would be a lot better.

Yeah, my brain and my mouth. That would be nice.

All right. So we're going to go out with Wet Leg. The song is Chase Long. Now, I'm guessing that that is also some kind of clever, you know, of course, Chase Lounge is what we would call it around here. I don't know if that's how you spell it in the UK. Because everything else in this song is so dirty. I'm assuming that's also just like a Dirty Bird reference.

Oh, no, I think that's just the original.

That's how you spell Chase Lounge over somewhere else?

I think so. I thought that might even be how you spell Chase Lounge here and we just say it differently. You know what? But I could be wrong.

I've never actually looked at the words. That's what I kind of assumed.

Oh, by the way, I wanted to give a shout out. if you do like the song or somebody who enjoys Wet Leg I would check out their KEXP performance you know it's on YouTube or whatever just type in Wet Leg KEXP it's really good

okay so that's what we're going out with thank you Bill thank you all everyone out there for listening thanks for being part of TBTL we're going to be back here on Monday with more Imaginary Radio in the meantime have a great weekend take care of yourselves go America And please remember, no mountain too tall, and good luck to all.

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Excuse me. What? Excuse me. What? I don't know what this is all about, but I want you guys out of here right now, or I call the cops.

I assure you that won't be necessary. We're only trying to help.

The hell you were, Buster. Your friend was messing up my tanks and messing up my whales. They like you very much, but they are not the hell your whales. I suppose they've told you that, huh? The hell they did. Power out.