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well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a friday edition of tbtl the show just might be too beautiful to live it's the story of a man with a brothel of a home and a pool filled with human excrement my name is luke burbank i am your host this song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world coming to you from the hollywood broadcast center right here in portland oregon where we are looking at a beautiful friday morning oh ma pa it's just beautiful the rain is supposed to move in over the weekend but uh hopefully today will stay nice i'm going to a i have a packed weekend actually going to the uh uh the mcmenneman's venue called uh edgefield tonight see uh death cab for cutie and the postal service and then we're staying out there because it's also like it's an old sanitarium that they've converted into like you know like hotel rooms although it's a holiday weekend it's juneteenth on monday and so and it's you know summertime basically so the only room that was left does not have its own bathroom it has a shared bathroom so we'll see how that goes then i'm heading up to seattle on saturday for some father's day festivities with my daughter on sunday so uh it's gonna be a busy weekend hopefully the weather cooperates uh hopefully you all enjoy this episode of the show which is by the way episode 300 uh 3 000 i should say 968 in a collector series let the fun begin inching ever closer to our 4000th episode which will be at the neptune theater in seattle on july 29th um let's see here oh you know one of the things we love to do on the program is to bring you extremely topical relevant information is this a thing people care about no and to that end we're gonna bring you a movie review today of a movie that i just watched last night so who needs a movie a review of the film my dinner with

andre released 42 years ago this is without a doubt one of my favorite items um my dinner with Andre Action Figures.

Also, I hesitate to even get into this because I feel like the story has now already been sort of overhyped. I did have a little incident the other day up at the other house that I'm working on where I got very concerned for the well-being of Bubbles Burbank.

I am petrified, petrified with this story.

Maybe we'll talk about that as well. Oh, and we'll talk to this guy, the longest running co-bro of the show. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, their splendor, and all that intricate rigging. It's a Friday, so you know what that means. He's letting his hair down. I'm an activist and house party enthusiast. He's getting ready to get loose this weekend. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. It's trivia time. Trivia time. Yeah. On a Friday, I have a question for you. Do we have a trivia time theme song? No, we should make one. What about the bubble song? I was wondering.

The type of girl you want to chew all of my bubble gum I'm the type of girl you want to chew all of my bubble gum

All right, keep that rolling underneath this. This is our official quiz music. Love it. My question for you, trivia question of the week is this. How much money do you think one Andrew Walsh made in 1995? Because I got a photo of the cover letter from my tax return.

tax documentation from april 4th 1996 from my dad today he's shredding documents at the old homestead and he asked my permission to shred my tax return documents oh my god from the fiscal year of 1995 now i would have been uh i guess 1995 was my last year of high school which means i worked at least the full summer probably close for your dad at the fabrication shop at walsh manufacturing I don't know if this helps or not, and I did not remember this part, but apparently my dad had his CPA handle my taxes this year. So this comes directly from Hillel Gornick and Company on Detroit Road in Westlake, Ohio. Their reputation precedes them. Loved Hillel. Gornick, not so sure about it. Gornick had some problematic takes about the Tax Act of 1993. Later became a sovereign citizen. the people's republic of gornick is that what you're referring to i believe that's what i'm familiar with his work um yes so let's see i'm gonna tell you this here i'll give you a little hint um dear andrew enclosed as your 1995 federal individual income tax return the original should be signed at the bottom of the page you'll receive a refund of 110 that's right this is back in the day when i got refunds instead of getting letters that said you owe us everything yes i've gotten those letters before i know their work yeah um by the way let's see here thinking about this today really got me thinking about next year's tax season that's the biggest argument against us starting our own business is just filing our personal taxes is going to be even more of a nightmare i know yours is already a nightmare but man i had really gonna get less night i had really shedded a lot of my uh what do you call them not w2 i had shed a lot of my 1099 work and now i'm

going to be i mean i think we can let's this is a great place to take the show on friday i'm guessing we should be able to still just w2 ourself right i think i've been done yourself

i mean you do it too much you go blind hair on your hands i think i think we went to the same

place there i'd rather just i'd rather just continue to i mean because i have a lot of the work that i do that that i have to like you know pay my sort of like quarterly taxes on myself and then i have the ones where i just work for someone and they just send me a paycheck and then they just hold the money out that's the taxes and those are the easy ones those are the ones i love the w2 jobs i would love to continue to have three w2 jobs which i currently do which would be live wire tbtl and cbs i don't need any more 1099 jobs those are the ones i can't really be trusted with

this will be a w2 job we just need to we have some we have some help who's we have some people who are going to help us with yes so anyway um by the way i recently contacted him he's in the supermax facility uh in colorado cannot beat the rates though hello just opened up when the unabomber died so they've moved him off of c block i think we can get in touch with him wow topical and dark okay so how much money do you think oh so i should just say this is not a full time job okay that was what i was gonna ask for 52 weeks of the year this is gonna be i'm guessing i mean i'm a high school student here but a graduating high school student which means this was probably every you know basically every weekday over the course of a summer uh and probably close to full time i'm guessing that by my senior year i was working eight hour days although i'm sure

there was some flexibility in there can i ask you a question that doesn't get us any closer to figuring out the amount but i'm curious about what were you spending this money on oh well

Well, mostly used cassette tapes from, oh God, what was the name of the, what was the name of, there was the Record Exchange, but then there was one next to Chainlink Addiction that I would go to all the time. That was closer to my house. Chainlink Addiction and the record store next door was a different name. Chainlink Addiction is a piercing place? I've talked about Chainlink Addiction before, Luke. I can't believe you don't remember this. No, there was, in Lakewood, Ohio, on, I want to say, Madison Avenue, there were two stores that were next to each other and I believe same ownership or if not same ownership certainly same vibe like they were kind of a unit on the left was the record store which was just like I used mostly cassettes and cds at the time record store and then to the right was chain link addiction which was basically just sort of like I kind of a gothy kind of fetishy um store which the irony here is this is before Doc Martens as boots were sort of a household name and they're still a bit of a niche product yet you know me and my friends all loved our doc martens and this is also during a period when my parents bought my clothes for me which is really embarrassing and so i remember taking my dad into chain link addiction to wow that's my first boot they were my first doc martens were 10 eye hole oxblood doc martin boots i still think about them all the time i see all the youth today or more like the youth like four or five years ago wearing all the doc martens and i'm just like oh i can't go back i can't be the 45 year old guy wearing doc martens i just don't have that steez but like i'm jealous of

their youth and their embracing of doc martens in their youth because my oxblood doc martens were very special to me and i took my dad into the back of this yes i don't know if they did piercings there but they had all kinds of leather and fetish gear a lot of stuff that says daddy loves leather like uh anyway yeah so it's like an edgy place to take old bob walsh definitely but i didn't i mean i was stuck between a whip and a hard place like i needed to uh i needed to get the doc martens right and I didn't I didn't have anyway yeah you're you're probably thinking why didn't I just use my own money that I was making at the shop well keep in mind this is the most I would have made I think I worked part-time at my dad's shop and most of that tape throughout my like late high school years went to like cassettes and a lot of it I think went directly into some sort of savings account that was my slush fund for college so I my parents as when I was a very young person set up a savings account for me all of my like first communion money went in there i don't know if you know about that but like your first communion is a big deal so relatives will give you money like none of that was touchable for me until i went to college which i was very

grateful for wow that's very responsible of them yeah i do remember my parents my dad taking me to see first bank up there on 85th and greenwood and uh near 85th and greenwood and uh having me set up my first checking account when i was like i don't know 13 or 14 and it just blew my mind that i could take this thing around and write on it and like get stuff for it like write these checks and then you know i soon started bouncing checks and it became a lifelong he became a real struggle to uh to to learn how to use that um by the way r.i.p chain link addiction it closed down uh in 2010 this is from the cleveland plane dealer they outfitted everyone from maryland manson to

mushroom head to nine inch nails they inspired from from and from like no that's all that it'd

be one thing if it was like from mushroom head to donovan like that would be a range they inspired goths hot rodders and rockers they anchored a neighborhood period no more period i don't know is that is no more a sentence well no having fun with m-o-r period is no more a sentence no no more

is not a sentence but i'm giving them creative license in this case but um um so yeah they

closed down in 2010 but i'm looking at a picture of chain link addiction there at the corner of

chesterland and madison yeah it's weird that's not the angle i usually remember i don't i didn't remember it being a corner store honestly i thought it was in the middle of a block so that's interesting but um i guess my memory is not perfect okay so it also says here that robert walsh never set foot inside so maybe this whole thing that kind of reminds me of i'm i still want

guess how much money you made in 95 um but that reminds me a little bit of a story that i've told

many times on this show wait hold on hold on i'm sorry to interrupt i just want to make it very clear i'm not going crazy that photo at the top of this article is related to a different event that is mentioned later in the article some hot rod show that is not a photo of chain link oh it's behind it yeah oh it will also no is do you see oh i guess so there in the window

it says chain link addiction there's like a neon sign yep sorry to interrupt sorry to interrupt um uh you and your dad being in chain link addiction reminds me a little bit of like i got obsessed with wanting to get what i really wanted was like a sony disc man like remember when those came out and it was just like it was just my mind was so blown that i could have all of the music of um let me see what cd would i have at that time michael penn half harvest that could all fit on a compact disc you would have to compact it and put it on the disc but then i could carry that compact disc around and i could listen to it anywhere i wanted to be in the highest fidelity available at the time just like the idea of a sony of a portable cd player was just it represented something to me beyond just the music it represented freedom it represented all this stuff and so when i saw kids starting to show up you know at school with these things these disc mans i was like i gotta get one but i didn't have really like enough money to get like a good one so i my my dad who used to go down to the ave and proselytize he used to go down to the ave on fridays and stand on a corner remember that place flowers yeah it just i think it's finally closing that r.i.p flowers it became very chain link addiction now flowers yeah i think that

place became i think the ownership there had i shouldn't slander but i think that that place became pretty problematic they didn't follow code covid protocols and i think the owner ended up a lot letting a lot of bad stuff happen in there i think it's kind of it's too bad because that's

iconic yeah it is like it had been a flower shop on the university way near the university of washington and then it became a bar and restaurant for many years and it was a real fun spot to go to i went to it one time in the last like five years and it was way different like it was clear that it had gone through some some uh some ownership changes anyway point being my dad used to stand out there on the ave with religion tracks and like on fridays when people were walking by he'd be handing these things out he wasn't one of those people with like a giant weird sign and a megaphone like outside of the mariner games he wasn't that way my dad is a is a loving and love lovely person who wasn't there to like berate people but he wanted to be there in case someone was in a moment of crisis and he might be able to help them you know as he saw it uh turn their life around but in going down and And I was – I'll tell you what. I remember one time I think he said, hey, do you want to come with me? And I was like, hell fucking no.

Yeah, you're again like 13 or something here.

I mean I cannot imagine something that would have been more mortifying for me than being on the Ave while my dad was trying to get people to turn their life over to the Lord.

Did he have pamphlets? Because he's not yelling. So he's just trying to like hand them out.

He's got a handful of tracts and he's just there to basically strike up conversation with somebody who if they were to want to learn about the Lord. or something and he would just hand out these little religious tracks well in going to the app i guess he became aware that there was this place called second time around i think it might even still be there andrew and it is a place that sold old uh it sold like albums it sold cds but there's all like used music so used records used cds and then doc martin's it was kind of a catch all for things that in 19 let's say maybe 89 or 90 like i know that the this sounds like a hubert dip joke i know that the smashing pumpkins album gish was out because there was a poster for it in the store so we're after that that has happened the smashing pumpkins have put out an album called gish and there was a poster of it in this thing but it was again a very edgy place for me and my dad to be i don't know if they sold sex toys but they certainly sold things that were very bong like you know just again it's one of those things you'd have near a college where they just sell sort of every kind of thing you might want to buy when you're like 18 and you go to college and you're like parents are no longer supervising you like a bob marley poster some kind of bongish thing a spiky collar for god knows what we the ones that i went to like that aside

from chain link addiction which only dealt with the leathery kind of stuff um was and i only went in there for boots but um we had a place that was a little bit more hippie-ish in the 90s that was in in greater i'm gonna say northeast ohio called quonset hut they had a few locations and we use the generic term head shop for it but like some of them were huge so yeah there was the chunk of the store that sold you know your bongs and stuff and bowls under glass but they it's also in me and my friend tony i mean he's the one who introduced me to this world i mean this is where we would go literally for our donovan music for our incense for our ponchos for everything that would for our grateful dead oaksa moxa or whatever you call that skull t-shirt with the lightning ball yeah i think i got that name of it wrong but anyway um and i think it refers to something else but anyway point is like that we always like kind of called that the head shop and it had everything that we needed

for our lifestyle choices luke did they have like different sections for the bongs like men's bongs and light this is a lady bong it's for a lady you know what i it's funny because like i wasn't part of that i wasn't part of a pot smoking culture or like a grateful dead culture anything but i just wanted to be quote unquote alternative i didn't know what i was trying to be the alternative to but i just wanted to be interesting and unique as i saw it so badly that i would just pick up i was like a crow i would pick up these little weird like i remember in one of those head shops on the ave buying this like imagine like a deflated hacky sack but it was on a necklace it was a pouch and i'm sure it was you know to make the old snl joke you put your weed in there i mean it was probably for like putting your weed in or something but i just liked wearing it because it was crocheted it was like some kind of you know possibly like rastafarian sort of colors and i didn't really have anything to put in there but i just would wear it because somehow it felt like an amulet or something like it was like letting people know that i am not just your average regular old person that i like go to the ave and i wear things like this and i was really searching for an identity as a kid luke it was your freak flag you were letting it fly i was letting it fly but again it's weird because it wasn't in keeping with I also played three sports in high school and was you know like completely and totally engrossed in the regular culture like I wasn't particularly alternative but I just was I was just looking around for my identity so much and kind of what could I be and you know I did like I guess quote-unquote alternative music or something but anyway I just remember being in that store with my dad and wanting to buy this you know CD player which of course I also I did something that will that that would come to really define my how I sort of buy things which was I had whatever I had 50 bucks 100 bucks and the only quote-unquote portable CD player that they had that was in my price range was so enormous it was like bare i mean it was it was portable in that you could put like 12 batteries in it and carry it places but i mean it was as portable as like if you just had a hi-fi system at your house that you could put batteries in and carry around under your arm like it was not one of those sleek disc men that i was looking for and instead of just going i better just save another 50 bucks and then come back when i can buy one of the good ones i was obsessed with walking out of that store with a disc man or a portable disc player that night and so i bought this shitty one that weighed like a thousand pounds could not fit in any pocket by the way and just ate through the

batteries because how much how much buffer did it have man zero buffer that was another problem god

i was so jealous of so jealous of buffer people our age know what we're talking about the one of the sales pitches on these cd players these disc men was that they had however meant and then the new one come out have even more buffer meaning you're going to get less skipping supposedly

that was our version of 5g right like five times buffer dude it's going to buffer so much it's going to read the information so it's going to actually you're going to hear the next album

they haven't even put it out yet exactly how far ahead it's buffering well i want to say

this is maybe a seattle thing because this part of the country was into not just grunge but maybe like just you were more exposed to alternative music maybe before it got all the way out to ohio but like you're mentioning gish like so you have an awareness so that's like their very first album so that's before like most that gish is before i even know who the smashing pumpkins is

you know oh i didn't know who they were either i i thought they were probably like some kind of metal band about smashing things i just remember standing in that store and seeing something that said smashing pumpkins and being like oh i hope my dad doesn't see that and make me leave the store That was literally what was going through my mind.

In this house, we believe pumpkins should remain unsmashed.

Exactly. All right. Back to how much you earned in 1995.

I was wondering if you were going to remember because I was going to let it go if you didn't. No, no, no. So this is – I'll give you another hint. I'm going to say that – okay, let me put it this way. When I first started working for my dad's company, which would have been in the very – probably like the early 90s, like maybe 91 or 92, I think I made $4 an hour. Okay. I don't think I got that many raises. I remember being in college and my first, like, factory job in college or warehouse job in college paid $7 an hour. And I remember thinking, like, oh, my God, this is big money, which means I was making, I believe, well below $7 an hour in 1995. I'm going to put it on average at maybe $5 an hour, maybe $5.50 tops.

Okay. I'm going to guess That you made In 1995 Hold on let me get my Let me ask one other question You worked more or less full time in the summer Were you working at all part time during the school year Were you working on weekends

I'm guessing that there's a few Maybe during a holiday or two Go in for one or two days Here or there $5.50 in 1995 would be Almost $11 today

I remember making i think i made 750 my junior year at dick's drive-in and uh i've told this story many times i didn't know how to spend all that money yeah like because i didn't have i had no overhead i lived at home i didn't have any children yet that would change um no change conviction i just like i i i'm i would i went to the pro image at northgate mall and i bought every fitted hat that i wanted and then after that i just couldn't think of anything else to spend all this money that i was making at 750 an hour um the checks were literally sitting on my dresser for like half of the summer like i'd get a paycheck and i would just put it there because i was like i don't this is this is more money than any one person really needs and eventually dick was calling

up being like um we really need to balance our books here exactly who's the um was it um uh who was the baseball player who supposedly famously although it might be an urban urban legend um didn't cash his first MLB check and it was for a million dollars and he hung it up but it's like how did the team balance its checkbook when he just hung up a million dollar check do you know who I'm talking about I've heard that story too but I don't remember who um Ricky Henderson maybe it sounds like a Ricky Henderson thing he has a character right let me oh character to put it

kindly quickly my Ricky Henderson story is that when the um I I'm I may be mixing up my baseball moments but i remember there was the the year that the mariners had the had their tremendous run in the playoffs um or i'm sorry their tremendous run to get to the postseason the 95 season i think it was which would have been when you were making six thousand dollars in lakewood ohio that's my guess by the way six thousand dollars it is we'll just reveal this

here in the middle of the story it was three thousand one hundred and eighty dollars my friend yes wow so maybe i was making a lot less than 550 i don't know uh or working a lot less

than you thought. Maybe you're smoking cigarettes behind chain link addiction. Over there at – I always call it the wrong thing. Power Denny's? Oh, Hardcore Denny's, yeah. Hardcore Denny's.

Oh, that was in a different Seattle sub – I'm sorry, Cleveland suburb. Oh, okay.

But my Ricky Henderson story is that that year – so basically in 95, while you were making $3,000 in Lakewood, Ohio, I was weaseling my way into the local Seattle media scene as a freshman in college. and uh what i had figured out was i was working at the radio station that summer as a work study student but i could call various teams and pretend like i had been assigned to come cover the game and they just didn't care that much they put me on the list so that's how i ended up sneaking into that game that was um you know the the tiebreaker game where louis so at the grand slam inside the park etc one of those games i don't know if henderson had moved to play for the angels i don't know if he ended his career with the angels maybe we were playing the a's and it was just a different game and I was trying to sneak in but I was waiting in line um for the will call because that's where you'd go up and say I'm here with you know KUOW or something and they leave it's also though and they give you the ticket it's also though the line that the family members of the players have to wait in to get their you know they're on the guest list of their player and I'm talking to someone and the subject of Ricky Henderson comes up this might have been maybe around the time that he had also set the all-time stolen base record where he famously uh Lou Brock had been the previous all-time stolen base champion of the mlb uh and i believe he was there when ricky henderson beat his record and i think ricky henderson's speech was you used to be the greatest now i'm the greatest which i always thought was a little crass yeah right you were the great lou brock's like no shit sherlock i flew out here from you know sarasota florida to be here I get it. You have more stolen bases than me. Thank you for the grace. Simmer down, Stu. No, I don't think grace and Ricky Henderson's name ever, ever been sort of spoken in the same sense. I mean, he was just a legendarily kind of weird person and player. And I don't think particularly liked in a lot of circumstances. So I'm talking to somebody in line about this. The subject of Ricky Henderson. Did I say it? I'm probably talking about this exact thing and how I think Ricky Henderson kind of sucks or whatever. And then I get a tap on my shoulder and I turn around and a woman behind me says, Ricky Henderson is my husband. And I was like, how much of that did you hear? And she kind of laughed. I mean, I must not have been saying something truly horrible, but I was basically like dissing Ricky Henderson in line, not knowing I'm standing next to Ricky Henderson's wife.

But also, I mean, first of all, I don't think I knew that story. That's amazing. But also what area were you? And I'm sorry, I was also doing some research when you were setting that up.

The Kingdome, this would have been Will Call outside of the Kingdome. So it's like you'd wait in this line either to get your media pass, which I was, or if you were friends and family of one of the players. That also was the line where you would get your ticket.

I feel like if you are married to Ricky Henderson, you know Ricky Henderson. Well, that's maybe why she didn't.

I don't remember her being even mad at me, which was kind of odd because I was kind of sort of shit-talking him. It was my memory is more that she was sort of like, yeah, you don't know the half of it or something.

Yeah. OK, here's what now I'm not even going to say what website I'm reading this off of because it'll under it'll undermine the entire story. And I have heard in more recent years that this might be apocryphal. But here is the story. Well, I will tell you based on a surprisingly in-depth accounting from celebrity net worth dot com, which I know is your favorite website, Luke, because it's so accurate. But they have a little article here and it says basically I'm going to summarize the beginning of this. he was making the major league minimum for his first couple of years in 79 and 80 or something like that but he had incredible seasons right stealing 100 bases and everything so in 82 they shower him with a huge contract of a of a half a million dollars luke five hundred some thousand dollars um but they end up giving him a signing bonus like once they finally sign him and lock him in with his contract they give him a signing bonus of one million dollars kind of like reward him for the past performance while he was making the minimum now according to celebrity net worth.com a few months after the ink was dry on the contract and the check someone in the Oakland A's accounting office came across an unusual error they no matter how they handled the math they could not account for a missing million dollars this was a lot of money back then even a you know even a ten thousand dollar discrepancy would be notable and someone from the accounting office calls Ricky up to ask him if he has the check he says yeah I have it I'm staring at it right now it's still in the frame to which the accountant presumably responded what thanks for the presumable response there celebrity networth.com but anyway that is the story true or

not that uh follows him around ricky henderson was of course famous for speaking about himself in the third person right i feel like he was one of the real pioneers in that space a reporter this is from bleacher reporter reporter once asked ricky if he talked to himself do i talk to myself no i just remind myself of what I'm trying to do. You know, I never answer myself. So how can I be talking to myself?

Now, let me ask you this. So as somebody who did not watch baseball, obviously, during this era, and so it's all history to me, and I only know him as, you know, a somewhat irritating, obviously very boastful, like I said before, just character, capital C character. I always think of him as a sort of like kind of joyous figure in baseball. But given all of this, you being a Mariners fan at the time, does that that must color how you look at this guy, right? because he was a direct he was in direct competition to your favorite team um i didn't

dislike him because of him wearing a different uniform like there are plenty of other oakland a's i didn't have an opinion on mark mcguire i didn't really have an opinion on jose canseco in those days it was really more because every well every time i would hear him interviewed he would just be he just you know was just he didn't seem like a particularly i mean really he was just not a person who was going to play the game of trying to be likable to the media which is not a crime at all you know and kind of interesting kind of more interesting when you got what we have today which is like a bunch of like baseball players mumbling black athlete as well there's probably a certain amount of like him you know just having agency in the world was sort of strange at that time at least you know it was it was not maybe typical for for for somebody who looked like him to be not trying to you know cozy up to the media but just speaking his truth and his mind um so i think i just thought he was kind of like i again the lou brock thing really threw me when he said you were the greatest but now i'm the greatest i just like nobody does that um he uh one time ricky uh was asked if he had the garth brooks album with friends in low places on it and ricky henderson said ricky doesn't have albums ricky has cds which really brings a full circle

to where the story kind of because i can't tell if i'm out of step as somebody who's like who doesn't have the the cultural context for this at the time like every story i hear about him just makes me laugh and love him more does everybody hate him because like no no no every

one of these stories is hilarious no i think i think i i bet you if if you talked to journalists and certainly oakland a's fans because that was where he played the majority of his career i'm sure that he is beloved for being quirky and for being really good at stealing bases i just always found you know now that i also now that i'm older i think it's way funnier in june 1999 while henderson was playing with the mets he saw reporters running around the clubhouse before a game he asked a teammate what was going on he was told that tom robson the team's hitting coach had just been fired henderson's response was who's he this is bill brasky territory he once fell asleep with an ice pack on his foot and got frostbite he missed three games wait was who was the the football was

it um it's the really problematic football player who ended up taking off his uniform or walking off the field a couple of antonio brown didn't he start a season with frostbite because he was

getting some he did yes he had some treatment or something yeah um let's see uh uh this this i don't know how you verify this i don't know but um uh to this day and dating back 25 years before every game he plays henderson stands completely naked in front of a full-length locker room mirror and says ricky's the best for several minutes is that where i got that from i believe so anyway i'm going to let me scroll to the top of the page i want to make sure this isn't it is no may 13th 2009 i was worried that this was on april 1st and i was just reading like april fool's jokes about those those are according to bleacher report those are real things that

ricky henderson has done great now i'm gonna say this and it's another name i can't remember it's like the um what was the meme in the kind of the early days of the internet so and so doesn't chuck norris chuck norris yes the chuck norris thing sorry he doesn't do push-ups thank you for covering me there man down or something if you had no idea what i was talking about just imagine how terrible that would i just like i i do like that i can trust you that i can just throw something like that out there and you're able to pick it up because what a what a place to put you in sorry

it's getting but you're right it's giving those kinds of vibes these these yeah also i was just shocked i mean we need to move on from the ricky henderson we do topic but this was i um plan let's see did i like did was i reading this right like how long was ricky henderson's career i think he

played for a long time and i think he even tried to battle back from the minors sometime not all that long ago there was a podcast about him like i think he he played for 24 years in the majors

he played from 1979 his last season was 2003 he was 44 years old 2003 right and i even i do you think i don't know what you're looking at there but did he this sounds like the crazy

thing you're ever going to hear but did he end up playing like triple a ball or something after his major league career i wouldn't feel like he was like he i feel like i listened to some podcast years ago where he was like dominating minor leagues like trying to like trying to like but he wasn't that good anymore but he was still stealing bases or something all the time i probably have almost oh you know we've been getting some um some some text messages i'm going to see if i can call out the person by name now who's a big a's fan who actually helped organize that what we were calling the reverse boycott the other day it's patrick and citrus heights has been texting me with inside information about about all all the ways that the a's fans are getting dumped on right now including now by the by the um commissioner of baseball it's really the

whole thing is sad uh i'm sorry patrick sorry to our our friends who are a's fans i really hope that there's some kind of uh 11th hour miracle have you considered getting a picture of john fisher the heir to the gap fortune and owner of the team and do like they did in major league where every game that you win you take off one article of clothing of his yes not a great move in the original movie but i think totally fine with this guy john fisher can we invite um is

this no is this ricky henderson territory can we invite no that's just you know i'm not gonna say what's happening over there i was gonna say if this but it's so self-serving i hate this uh i I was going to say that, like, we have nice fans like Patrick here. Can we, you know, I don't think that if and when this move happens that they're going to continue to support the A's. Can we as Mariners fans invite these fans in? But that's a very self-serving thing to say while the A's fans are going through what they're going through.

I think there's a way to frame it like we really, really hope that you get to keep your baseball team and we're rooting for that. I truly believe that. If you find that you can no longer follow that team when they move, that's how I was with the Sonics. Like, I'm not an Oklahoma City Thunder fan. even though that was the origins of the team and if you find yourself bereft and without a team um and if but if you want to still have that sort of pain of never quite getting over the top quite having the right personnel or having a team that won't spend any money if that's a pathway that's already grooved in your brain um i we have just the team for you they're called the seattle mariners all right uh let's uh take a quick break here and then when we come back my review finally The only thing that's been longer than Ricky Henderson's career is the time between when the movie My Dinner with Andre was released and when I actually watched it, which was last night, 42 years later. So we'll talk about that coming up in a moment on TBTL. Hello and welcome to Top Story. Speaking of baseball, there was a baseball-sized hole in my evening last night. Even though I keep swearing off the Mariners, I don't sort of know what to do with myself on, you know, late spring, early summer nights when there isn't a baseball game because it's a pretty big part of my schedule. So they had a night off last night and I was – so I was like making some dinner and I was looking at TikTok as I am wont to do. And somebody on TikTok, some movie reviewer, some guy probably a little younger than me was like, this movie – and I just see this picture of Wallace Shawn and I knew exactly what he's talking about. about obviously because other than uh you know princess bride if you see a picture of a young wallace sean it's probably going to be related to my dinner with andre he's like this is a movie that if you watch it you will not stop thinking about it and i for some reason we were talking the other day about public radio promo or sorry i should say podcasting promos and how just one day you'll hear a promo for something and you'll just be like okay i will do that yeah yeah and like you've heard it a hundred times and it's you have not acted on it and now just today you're like i'm acting on it i've known about the movie my dinner with andre probably since i saw it parodied a parody of it or not even a parody but like mentioned in waiting for guffman i don't think i probably knew what it was before that movie but there's this kind of great scene at the end where corky is showing these little he's opened this weird store that's i think in times square that just sells like bizarre things it was obviously just a bunch of funny jokes that christopher guest and his friends wanted to make about you know like das boot and my dinner with andre and other things like that i mean the day lunch boxes remains of the day lunch boxes for sale i mean i wonder if merchant and ivory are holding that up with like some kind of a trademark

this is without a doubt one of my favorite items um my dinner with andre action figures and what you can do which is so cute is um you can reenact the whole scene you know where the two guys talk to each other and say you know oh i'm sure glad you found a good restaurant you know it's so hard these days to get in you know who do you know oh i just called made a call spur of the moment oh you you can always get a reservation And then we're going to take a look at it.

We're going to take a look at it.

You know, that's not from the movie, but you can make up your own dialogue, which is one of the great things about Action Figure.

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When I first saw that when I was watching Waiting for Guffman, probably like in college, I didn't understand how funny that joke is because I didn't understand that my dinner with Andre is just two guys having dinner.

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The whole movie, except for like two minutes at the beginning and one minute at the end. Yeah, I was going to ask you. The whole movie is just the dinner.

Would you mind now? That is something I was going to say. If I make it really short, I don't want to I don't want to blow what you're trying to do here. But can I can I try to I watched this in college on a VHS tape on the the van seat that I took out of my van and use as a couch in my little in my little studio apartment. Can I tell you what I think I remember about the movie? Yes, absolutely. It's very fresh in my mind. I can really fill you in. So I feel like the movie begins and I don't remember. What's the other actor's name? You have Wallace. Andre Gregory. OK, I'll never remember that. So he's a real person, by the way. Their names are their real names, which I thought was interesting. I had forgotten that, but I'm just going to call him the other guy for now. So anyway, one of the guys shows up for dinner at the beginning of the movie, and it seems like it's going to be a normal movie. I don't know if it's Wallace Shawn or the other guy, but I feel like he gets there first, and he might even have to wait for a little bit at the bar or something. And you're like, okay, this is a normal movie. And then his friend gets there, and then they take a seat in a booth, which I believe is kind of a corner, like curved booth, although I could be making that up.

Your mind is playing tricks on you in the works with Ghetto Boys.

It's not one of those beautiful curves. Okay, it's just a table. And then they start talking. You're like, okay, I really like dialogue-heavy stuff. And I think it kind of veers into the kind of like one of them is kind of I think it's the other guy is maybe kind of having sort of midlife crisis, sort of like kind of a man of a certain age, kind of like where am I going with all of this? And then it becomes a really philosophical conversation about life. And I think maybe even I think it's just philosophically about life, but maybe about religion a little bit, too. And then Fiend. That's all I remember.

That's pretty much it. You're pretty close there. Like, first off, my first thought when I started watching this was, I love this film stock, and I want you to watch it again. Yeah, just the quality of, yeah, I love that. Just the look of the film, and just, like, he's, so it starts with Wallace Shawn is, like, is walking along the streets in New York City, and he's, like, a voiceover. And, but every car he's walking by is fascinating to me because it's a car from 1981. and and yeah basically like the premise is and he's taking by the way also wallashan is taking the subway at some point and it's like this is the subway of the 19 early 1980s in new york which was like covered in graffiti you know time square is all just like peep shows and stuff it was like a very different new york than um than you know the sort of modern super wealthy kind of enclave it's become but anyway uh he's going to meet he's talking about being a playwright and he's talking about like this all in voiceover as he's going to the dinner and he's talking about how when he was a kid he didn't realize how rich he was because he was a kid and he you know was like you know was just taking care of and everything which i think is interesting because wallace sean's dad really was one of the i think founders of the new yorker really um yeah william sean he was a he was a very prominent i think editor at the new yorker and maybe writer there so i think wallace sean does come from some kind of like new york royalty in that sense so i was interested in the line of how much of this is autobiographical because he was saying when i was a kid i was i didn't realize basically how kind of like how good i had it he goes and now i'm i think he's like i'm in my 30s or something and he's like and all i think about is money like just trying to make a living trying to pay his rent and he gets to this dinner and now this guy andre gregory who again is a real person who's really alive still and named andre gregory uh the story is that he's kind of like he's a he's a um a director and and had actually directed some of wallace sean's early work kind of gave him his break as a playwright and but had everyone thought that this guy had kind of gone crazy like he had just like stopped showing up to things he'd been in like tibet he just like everyone thought he had a mental breakdown and so they they meet up for dinner to kind of catch up and then yeah the rest of the the whole thing is really like wallace sean doesn't talk very much at all and in fact he says something going into he goes i realize the only way to get through this dinner with andre was to ask a lot of questions and it just ends up being mostly this guy andre gregory just sort of holding forth on all these adventures he's been having a lot of them involving like going to poland and and and just standing in a field with a bunch of people who don't speak english and having ecstatic dance and like it's it's a really interesting film to me because every time i thought it was going to get a little too ponderous or a little too sort of like intellectual like way above my brain's abilities it just sort of stayed rooted enough that I was really in. I kept wanting to pick up my...

my phone and research are these real people um you know i because that's what i'm such a two screen person now like if i'm watching something interesting then i want to start getting i want this like crawl of other information going on about the thing i'm enjoying like if it's sports i'm looking up the stats on all the players you know it's like my brain is now in generally incapable of just experiencing one piece of information or one kind of experience it's Like, I need to augment this always, which is why I recently bought the new Apple visor thing. I'm wearing it right now, Andrew. And let me tell you, you look amazing. Visor Pro or something? Visor Pro.

Thank you. Something Pro. You know, my recollection as we say this, like, I liked movies that were outside the box in the 90s. They were like, you know, when I was in college and watching this stuff and going back and appreciating older films like this that came to my attention through, like, my nerdy film friends or whatever. I mean, I liked stuff that was not your cookie-cutter, like, you know, kind of format. You were kind of a chain-link addiction guy. Yeah, exactly. And I remember watching this movie and being like, well, this is something that I'm into. I like dialogue. I like the fact that this is not going to be your typical Hollywood crap. But I do also sort of remember thinking, like, but I really don't like this guy. I think I remember that. I could be wrong. Like, I sort of feel like, oh, I like dialogue. But this guy who talks all the time, like it was just like so far afield of how I saw the world that I found it like I felt like I was stuck with a really annoying friend at dinner, sort of, which I don't think it's supposed to be that way. Right. It's supposed to be mind expanding and make you think about things. But I feel like I was like, oh, this guy is sort of I don't know if I would have had the words at the time, but insufferable.

I think that he's supposed to be a little bit insufferable because at the end of the movie, Wallace Shawn's character kind of pushes back on some of this. I mean, he's definitely somebody who loves to hear the sound of his own voice, which can be insufferable. The thing I was going to say, though, is that I actually found myself sort of compelled enough by the movie that I didn't pick up my phone to, like, start researching it because I kind of wanted to know what was going on, which is rare for me at this point. Oh, interesting. I kept being like, I need to do – I need to figure out, like, details about this. But then I was like, but I just want to watch the rest of this paragraph.

Oh, that's nice.

And then I'll look it up. I did end up looking it up later. By the way, one of the things that I was really fascinated by was it cost – I'm doing this off the top of my head, but I believe the movie cost something like $450,000 to make. I don't understand what that budget was for. You set up in a restaurant. You have two people talking. There's a waiter. There's basically three – there's four credited people in the entire movie. It's Wallace Shawn, Andre Gregory, this guy that is their waiter, and then the bartender who you just see for like two seconds in the background. That's the cast. And there's basically one location. I don't know. And side note, I think it made like two and a half million. There's a really good ROI for my dinner with Andre.

I'm surprised. But yeah, I mean, I wonder where that two million came from.

Well, I think I also benefited from the fact that everything I know about that movie has always been this is a really long, boring movie where two guys have dinner. Hence the joke about action figures. Yeah, right. And so I was expecting it to be like unwatchable and it was not for me unwatchable. I actually kind of like, you know, I didn't follow everything. But it was also interesting too because they're talking about the technology of their day in exactly the way we talk about the technology of our day. One of the big things is that the Andre Gregory character is on this big thing about how he doesn't like electric blankets. Electric blankets he thinks are really ruining life for us because we're no longer – we're not in the struggle anymore. We don't have to feel cold if it's cold. And then he gives on this really long thing about it. And he's talking about electric blankets the way people talk about phones now. It just happened to be the technology that was going on at that time. And basically the question of, like, how comfortable do we make ourselves? And are we distracting ourselves from our, you know, the lived environment and things like that? The other thing, though, was, well, okay, two other things. One, I was really curious about the continuity. I kept noticing sometimes when the wine glass would be like – the problem with doing a movie like this where two people are eating and having wine is that if anyone takes a sip of their wine, you either have to remember exactly where the wine level was or you have to just give up on continuity because you're using multiple different takes of these things. And I think they probably just gave up on continuity. It was like too impossible to try to make it.

Because you noticed it? You noticed that it was all over the place? A couple of times.

And I was just thinking from a production standpoint, like how frustrating it must have been for the script supervisor, because you get like a really good take. But then, you know, Wallace Shawn is, you know, he's having a sip of wine in these reaction shots and then the wine glass is going down. But then you really like this other take that happened earlier for a different section of it. Like just from the editing standpoint, I was like, this should have been a movie about how two guys just sit at an empty table and talk. Because the other thing was they never, ever say thank you to the waiter, which really pissed me off. Like, they're so superior to this waiter. Like, and there are so many. many times when they could have said thanks when he comes and pours the wine when he brings the food they literally love to be talking they're having this deep conversation and then somebody brings them something and at no time and i i watched this and it's like a two-hour movie i watched this entire thing last night waiting for them one time to acknowledge kindly the staff and they don't well that's how you keep that's how you keep it under budget no lines for the waiter and then also the thing that I felt maybe it would have been a different movie but like Wallace Shawn is in the voiceover as he's going to this dinner he's saying how, again I already said this part but all he thinks about is money being a playwright is really hard because no one wants to buy your plays, he's broke his wife is a waitress and he said somebody had to make some money in this family and I just thought boy what a time when you could support a household of two with one person part time waitressing yeah it's a really interesting uh time in new york city's history but like so he's we know that he's pressed for money and he goes to this dinner and all i would be thinking about if i was wallace sean is who's paying for this dinner it would everything andre gregory is saying would just be background noise over like am i gonna have to pay for this dinner some constant buzzing all the only thing my brain would be able to focus on would be who is gonna pay for this and And, like, I don't know if you've ever been this broke, but you somehow find yourself out for dinner and you're ordering – people are ordering things and you're thinking, like, is this going to be – are we splitting this? Like, and speaking of New York City, Liz and I, my little sister Liz, when we were so young, like, she must have been 18 and I would have been 22 or something, maybe about that old. We went on this trip to New York, the two of us, and we had such a fun time. I think we were there for, like, a couple of weeks, but we had no money. in fact we had to hop the subway and then we got like ticketed by undercover cops undercover transport cops for for like dodging the fare on the subway that was the level of vacationing we were doing was like we got to new york but then we had no money for the subway i remember we went to this dinner in chinatown with some older an older person i knew who was also living in new york at the time and we went out to this like seemed like a fancy meal to us because everybody was everybody else was like probably in their late 20s and they had you know jobs so they had that like going out to dinner wasn't this huge thing for them and they're ordering and everyone's ordering rounds of this and all that. And all I'm doing is looking at Liz thinking like, we're so effed. And then it was like, yeah, okay, we'll just split this. And then the check comes in. This person who had been ordering for everyone, cause he was like the expert was like, okay,

so we're splitting this six ways. And I just remember being like,

Oh no,

Right. right. Right. We don't have a sixth of this money. I've been drinking water and eating crumbs. Like seriously, that kind of thing. So I've been in that place many times in my life and I'll, can think is like how is how is there no comment from wallace john's character internally about like wondering who's going to pick up the check now in the end andre gregory does pick up the check and he does say and to my surprise uh andre picked up the check so like that's my wallace john impression by the way oh you know he actually says the word inconceivable in my dinner with he literally does and i i'm starting to realize how genius that princess bride scene is now because i think it's a nod i think it's gotta be a nod it has to be because you're at dinner yeah you know with like uh you know you're you're at dinner these two guys at this thing they're talking it's this intense conversation he literally says inconceivable in my dinner with andre like how many times is wallace sean gonna say inconceivable in a film then you know the the princess bride thing it's two guys they're at this whatever stump table thing i think that william i think it's william goldman who wrote the screenplay he wrote an amazing book about screenwriting called adventures in the screen trade i believe that's what it's called adventures in screenwriting if you're ever interested in reading a book on screenplays read the guy that wrote the princess bride used to teach a college class about screenwriting and he wrote a book about it it's such a good read but that guy knows his history he must have been kind of doing something a little

bit sly there do you know that wallace sean will only appear in movies with characters named andre uh the giant the gregory exactly so the other thing that's just funny this is funny that i kept saying the other guy when his name is in the title i'm just getting that now you said andre i'm like who cares the other guy and i'm like oh no it's literally in the title now i'm

catching up here but um so anyway i would say that overall i thought it was in it you have to be in the right kind of mood and maybe the right kind of hadn't just enough wine maybe i'm scared how much wine i needed to watch my dinner with andre and no but like i was i was in like the exact right state of mind to watch this if that makes any sense like i was it was a different day and i was in a different mood or something or maybe you're watching with someone who's bored and looking at their phone like you could have a totally different experience i really actually found it to be kind of interesting and watchable but i also thought it was so funny because i'm looking up wallace sean later and of course he's Most famous probably for Princess Bride playing Vassini. Is that his name in it, I think? And then My Dinner with Andre. But then the other thing that he's done that most people now would know him for is I think he's like the granddad on Young Sheldon. And there is something about the high level of art of My Dinner with Andre. This just like it's I mean, the whole conversation is really about the meaning of art and if people are selling out. And, you know, like, I mean, it's just the ultimate thinky movie, right? my dinner with andre like it's the it's the most kind of like in your head new york intellectual you know people just like casually dropping berthold brecht references and things like that right and and also if there's you know if you can make a living doing it if it matters the money and it's like he did the artiest thing you could ever do which is this movie my dinner with andre and he is probably known to more of america now and has made vastly more money being on a tv show Called Young Sheldon It's like the prequel to the Big Bang Theory Like it's just that's the weird Intersection of like he's in the most Unartful thing you can be in and I don't mean that As like a judgment on him at all But it's just weird to see these little Pictures of him my dinner with Andre era Princess Bride era I think They made a version of Uncle Vanya he and Andre Gregory made I think it was called like 40 They made a move there's a is it a Chekhov Play is Uncle Vanya a Chekhov play I don't know I don't think I've heard of it they made it they made a movie version of it like in the 90s anyway all this artsy stuff of Wallace Shawn and then just like him like beaming in this like weird orange sweater as the granddad on young Sheldon yeah I'm looking up he is in young Sheldon which

reminds me of something that I don't know if you remember this and this is just such a weird dark thing to bring up which I shouldn't but you want to talk about like just false memories I don't know if you recall this Luke but I don't know a couple years ago I was shocked shocked shocked when you told me that Wallace Shawn was still alive because I feel like I had specific memories of memorializing him on this show. I swear, I'm just like, we did a whole show that was in honor of Wallace Shawn when he passed. And obviously I was thrilled to hear that that was a false memory and that he's still not only around, but working. I mean, that's great. But just like, the only thing I can maybe think of is, I don't know if this is a compliment or not, but maybe i'm confusing him with the guy who also had a big broadway career but then was most famous for being in roger rabbit whose name i'm blanking on bob hoskins bob hoskins now he did pass away and maybe we did a tribute to him and i was confusing them because maybe they're both actors of the same generation in a certain body type or something but not even i don't know if that's a comparison or not but um he's very much alive as is um uh now i'm now i'm like trying to

remember the name andre gregory yeah andre gregory and uh wallace sean are both very much alive and seem like they're doing pretty well i mean they're both pushing 90 but as far as i could tell they both are sort of doing okay which is also kind of interesting i mean that's you know they're not young but they're both you know they're out there they're doing their thing i ended up going down this whole of course you know where i'm gonna always take everything andrew is like were these people independently wealthy wealthy yeah wealthy rather like uh you know because there was there's this whole like privilege thing where the andre gregory character never at any point is he ever concerned about how is he paying for anything it's like his whole life has just lived in this way of like pursuing his own happiness and it's just like money is not ever part of what his calculation is And I'm like but in real life is that Andre Gregory So I looked him up I mean yes he probably was pretty rich He was born in France Then it was directed by this guy Louis Mal Who is this like pretty famous French director Then I looked him up He used to date Susan Sarandon His dad was a French industrialist And I just got really mad at how unfair life is About how like if your dad is a French industrialist You get to just like fart around And make talky movies And date Susan Sarandon I really ended up in a weird place I enjoyed the movie but disliked

most of the people associated with it that's funny yeah that's kind of i mean we've talked about that a lot on the show in various ways that like i that is sort of a hang-up that you have if you don't mind me using that word and it's part of it kind of like drag shows for my billing is part of it like you're like well i could have done it too had i given this it's a way of feeling like no i've done what i can with my life because i wasn't given the the same opportunities that

these richy riches i think it's just jealousy it's just pure jealousy because and and i understand intellectually that listen we have all kinds of different problems and um maybe one of them for somebody isn't money maybe it's um you know they're not worried about that because maybe they come from wealth but then they have other problems and and you might not want those other problems they could be mental health they could be physical health they could be all kinds of things but because the problem or the thing that I was challenging most by most by as a kid my real fundamental memory of being a kid was being poor and being embarrassed about it and being stressed about it i was telling becca a story the other day because you know my mom was 42 when she had my brother david and the story in the family is she went you know to tell my sisters my little sisters that she was pregnant again and all like i think it was Maybe Liz, Sarah, and Hannah broke into tears and started crying and said, Mom, we can't afford another baby. That was the vibe in our family was we are hanging by a thread. And so when someone announces someone, the mom, the mom is the person announcing this, Andrew. I'm pregnant again. It wasn't like, holy crap. It was like, we can't afford this. That was coming from the children.

Wow. Do you – I might have asked you this before. Or do you feel like your eating habits are connected to a sort of scarcity around the dinner table?

Probably that I eat really fast. Do you eat fast?

I know that you like to eat a lot when given the opportunity.

I do, both. Now, I want to be really clear. I don't want to over Dickensian this. We were not. We had plenty of food. We lived in a rental home that was perfectly sufficient. Like, we had a working car. Like I did not grow up in abject poverty at all. And there was plenty of food. There was always enough food. But what it was for me was usually the food that I wanted to eat, there would be less of that because we would have these weird melange sort of meals where it'd be like five Arby's for $5 and then also like two pork chops. And this would all be the same meal. It would be literally just like a random bunch of shit that my mom pulled together. And so I would be scoping out, well, I really want those Arby's. You know, that's like I don't want to be messing with the scalloped potatoes. I want to be messing with the Arby's. So I think eating fast and I could like I'm going to have another one. So I do think there's a little bit of that in my brain still and just and how I consume everything, just how I go through life. I think a lot of it is shaped by this idea of like there's not enough to go around. You've got to make sure you get yours. I'm sure that like goes pretty deep for me. But I think my thought about, like, looking up the director, Louis Mal, and what his life was, I think that the – it's not that I think if my dad had been an industrialist instead of a one-man sign company, it's not that I think I would have made my dinner with Andre. It's just that I get very jealous of how untroubled it seems to me a life would be if you just never had to worry about how you were paying for things. if you just were able to just like not you just weren't losing sleep over that you know or like i'm doing this remodeling project and it's just like everything is so expensive and everything is another five thousand dollars like where am i going to get the money for that is this thing am i going to run out of money or even access to money before this thing is actually done and then i'm gonna am i going to have just like this like half constructed thing you know like which is my own decisions to to uh you know to embark on these various things but i think why i'm obsessed with if people had it easy or not, if they have money or not, is because I'm jealous of how unfettered that must feel. But then again, I also understand intellectually, Louis Mal might have all kinds of problems I don't have, you know? So that's why I get obsessed with, particularly when something is just arty for art's sake. I always want to know, did the person who make this really roll the dice, or are they like somebody who can just do art for art's sake and doesn't have to think about any of the financial ramifications?

And some people make movies unwatchable on purpose, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know what I'm razzing you about, right? Wait, no. Oh, I said that because going back to our little, I think spat is too strong of a word, but we're driving. Was that over a Silver Juice song? A Silver Juice song that kind of goes into cacophony. I think the whole song is just cacophony, honestly. It's like two minutes of cacophony. You're just like, some music, they make it just to irritate us, right? Like, nobody likes this sound. I'm like, I just think different people like different things.

This is what I think I was saying. This is what I think I said, but I could be wrong. I think what I said was there are sounds that are objectively bad, like scientifically bad or something, and this song is making those sounds or, like, basically saying this is not a matter of opinion. This is a matter of, like, science fact that this is bad. And I believe you were saying, no, it is a matter of opinion. Some people like it. Some people don't.

And it is my music for your weekend as soon as I can remember what the name of the song is.

all right before we get to music for your weekend only to close the loop on this i just want to give you the two minute version of this bubbles thing that i keep talking about oh yeah i've already overhyped this and i'm just i'm trying to lance the boil that is the expectation of this story um because of the other house that i'm working on because like literally one side of it is just an open maw right now like they took a wall down took a roof off they're rebuilding the new roof raising up the wall so i can put these sliding glass doors in it's just a big open thing that leads out to this you know i don't know acre or so of just kind of wild land and i was up there the other day

with bubbles i was doing some work but i wanted to bring her with me because i thought i might end up staying the night and i um you know just wanted to have her around i thought it would be fun i had this whole plan which was um i'm gonna do a bunch of work and then i'm gonna sit out in the yard and i'm gonna enjoy the sunset and i'm gonna have a beer and i'm gonna put bubbles on her tether and let her just kind of chill in the sun on the grass like this is gonna be a nice night for us and so bubbles again trying to send a fax she started the roomba today just to get on my nerves that was a pretty power move still not riding it around though right never riding it around but starting it on a semi-frequent basis has definitely figured out what that big button does so the long and the short of it is i had i had her in the upstairs part of the house for the first hour or so that i was working so she was she was just kind of you know she was in an area where she couldn't get out these upstairs bedrooms but she was meowing her head off and like continuously for like an hour like usually she meows a little bit and then if she doesn't get what she wants she just goes and sleeps somewhere but she was really kind of going for it and i was like that's weird so i get done with that stuff the stuff that i need to move and now i'm ready to go into phase two which is i'm going to put this little harness on her that she's worn many times and put her little leash on her and then kind of set her up in the main part of the house uh where she can hang out and i can finish my work but she won't be trapped in the upstairs because she's not liking that and i um so i opened the door to the stairs and she's sitting there meowing and i start putting the harness on her and she's really not into it like she's extra not into it this time i'm like okay i get it on her click it all up put the little leash on her and then we walk out into the main part of the house which again is just a giant construction site and by the way the reason that i don't want her to run you know a jump off the the deck where the deck's going to be and run down this hill is because she will never come home i think probably like also there are all manner of wild animals that live in this kind of wild part of the of my yard and the neighborhood and i've seen them because my neighbor uh brian has a game camera and i see like mountain lions and a bear and coyotes and a bunch of things not to mention there's like five enormous feral cats that live in the neighborhood that are just like i'm afraid of them and like i'm just thinking it's not going to be good if these cats and bubbles um end up squaring off so i put her on the leash thing i i tie it to this big piece of construction scaffolding and no sooner have i just like stepped away then she starts flipping out like in a way that i've never seen her flip out like like a salmon that you just pulled like a salmon that you gave meth to and then pulled into the boat now that kind of flipping that a fish does she's doing that like she's just flying around she's banging into everything she's like just her body seems like it's like three disconnected parts is the way that she's like shimmying and freaking out she

does this so hard that she pulls herself out of the harness which is crazy because it snaps like under like it is this is like a four-point restraint connection that is not designed she is not supposed to be able to get out of this at all i don't know how she houdini did but she gets out of it and she goes running to this corner of the house it's all boxes and i realized that she's in this part like i can't see where she's gone but if she's gone into the basement which there's a stairs to the basement right where she went the basement door is open which also leads out to this hill where all the wild animals are waiting to kill her and it's just was like the most stunning thing and just like out of the blue like she's never she again she wears the harness all the time here because when i go on the balcony at the apartment i also leash her up now because the one time i didn't she was walking along the handrail of the balcony five stories above the streets of portland so frightening so i just like i i'm looking for her and i can't find her and i realized that like she might have gone downstairs and if she's gone downstairs she's already out because the basement door is open so i go downstairs and i close the basement door and i'm looking for i'm being like hey bubs and then i come back upstairs and i realize while i've been in the basement she may have left where she was hiding and gone off the deck and is now like down the hill so like i go outside i'm standing on the deck i'm looking down in the grass i'm trying to see if i can see her i'm calling for i'm walking around this goes on for probably like an hour and i really and truly maybe you remember this when uh professor and theo escaped that one time i mean that was days i really hit this point where i was like i think that's the last time i've ever seen my cat i was like this is so fucked like i was like i always the weird part is part of what i was thinking was how am i going to explain this to the listeners because i was like this cat is never coming back like and there's again there's so many avenues out of this house out into the wilderness because it's like a giant open. construction site like so i was just like walking around looking for and i knew there was no like getting her back if she was gone she was gone gone and uh i was like i just came back in the house and i was just kind of trying to think well i'm gonna have to just i'm not a religious person but i was like i'm not just like let god handle this one because i can't i am not in any position to get this cat back like i can't see her i can't find her it's getting dark like this is just i don't know what's going to happen but i think she's just gone forever and then i just walk into this other room and i just from amidst this is like a room i haven't been in yet from amidst like this huge pile of boxes and like i said about five guitars like you said one for each chord i can play i was thinking of that joke as i was carrying those guitars upstairs

you said me did i don't think i commented on it i almost did you and i were texting about something the other night i think baseball related and you sent me a photo of something maybe your baseball watching setup or something and I saw one guitar in the very corner of the frame and I was gonna be like oh there's one of them that's the only one that's even like playable

that's a little like Martin travel guitar that I like because the action is really low so it's like easy to play um but uh so I'm just like I I hear the saddest meow not even like a meow that she does like you know normal thing it's just like it was the saddest things like it was like a groan more than a meow and it was sad because that was the sound she made but when i tell you i was yes my heart leapt in my chest i was like i don't even know where she is but i know she's in this back room and i know that she's alive and that was like that was you know that was what i needed to that's what i needed to hear at that moment and she was really she was freaked out

for the rest of the night and like was she so she was trapped somewhere like she wasn't trapped she was just hiding from me oh i see but then but then what but this meow was just her just

again imagine just like a room that's just full of because i'd moved all the stuff from bellingham down to this house but i'd piled it up in these couple of places and part of the problem was it was all getting covered in construction dust so i needed to move it somewhere else so she was in this room that was still full of a bunch of cardboard boxes somewhere i couldn't even see her but i just heard her go and it was just it was heartbreaking but like amazing yes she was

not yes that feeling dead finally reconnected you know when you mentioned it wasn't a cat story but earlier this week before you ever even brought this up you mentioned that there's going to be a period i don't know if i fully realized this when you move into this house before it's completed is that by the way i think in the back of my head i kind of had an assumption that you would keep a place in portland i guess you wouldn't keep your big place in portland so is that kind of dependent on your lease schedule at some point your lease in portland is gonna is gonna run out and the house will be livable enough for you to like kind of just move out of there and and get rid of that

expense in your life is that sort of the plan yeah although i'm already like my lease is up i'm on

month to month so i can basically basically as soon as you can as soon as it's livable up there

i want to get you know um but but it's going to be uh yeah i want to move up there because it's like way too expensive to i might get like a teeny apartment in portland just to have a place yeah

because you do so much work there with live wire but anyway all of that was just to say you mentioned that you're going to be living there with and you even mentioned like you and bubbles are going to move in and it's still going to be kind of a constant i was like oh you're gonna have to be really careful with that cat like you're gonna have to set up a space and i know that that cat likes to to roam and it's like it's a it's a cat with a lot of energy um and and uh verve for life what's the french word i'm looking for uh or something like that anyway um but uh you're gonna have to like find a room that is just like do not open this door like well you know that's

i don't know the answer to that because i don't think that's any way to live like the whole point of this house hopefully when it's all done is that there's going to be a big in inside outside kind of flow like the idea is you know the cool thing about this house is it has a really cool view of the river and it's like i want to have barbecues and have people over and be a lot of like we're in the kitchen but now we're walking out onto the deck like that's the whole thing and if that whole time we have to be freaking out about where bubbles is like i don't really know and listeners please don't get at me i know this is the kind of thing that stresses our our cat owner listeners out i don't know what i'm going to do exactly like i think i used to think that i was just going to like get a tag for her you know like get a little tracking thing and then slowly try to integrate her into the outdoor environment until she becomes an indoor outdoor cat but i don't know now like i was so scary the other day like i may i don't know what my system is going to be um but i feel like i'm going i don't i now i'm feeling less good about the idea of like of having her have any kind of outdoor life that's unsupervised i think i'm going to have to just like figure out something where yeah she is i don't want her to be like i don't want to be having a big get-together and it's all fun and she's like trapped in some room you know super depressed because she can't you know we don't want to keep closing the sliding glass door every two seconds i don't know what the answer is andrew um would

you like to adopt another cat no that's the interesting thing so i was talking just during the construction phase until you get things set up and then you'll be able to maintain the cat indoors but if that's your plan for um for you know for even when you're done maybe you do need to just kind of be prepared i have a more important question for you you don't um expect me to come out to wallow wallow where are you well we don't say exactly where you live but like you're in the

middle of nowhere aren't you no no no it's not the middle of nowhere it's it's it's southern washington it's you know like a half hour from the wash from the washington oregon border so it's not it's it's i'm just in a neighborhood it's just more room than like you know you have in portland typically but i'm not like in the country or something i'm on like you know i'm on a like we get garbage service and amazon deliveries and things like that so like how far of a drive from

Yeah, I'm just like already like kind of prep. Like if there is a summer party invitation and I might have other things to do closer to home, like literally in my backyard that day, you won't be totally offended. Will you?

I am building a pickleball. You can't take mine. All right. Let's do a little music for your weekend. What would you like to play on this Friday?

Well, first of all, I would like to point out here that Andrew Walsh does not play albums. Andrew Walsh plays Spotify, and that is where he will be playing this song from this. So the past few weekends when it's been nice, I've been grilling on Sunday evenings, kind of into a nice little routine on Sundays, come home from my volunteer gig, stop at the grocery store and stop at like, there's a couple of fruit stands and vegetable stands that I like to frequent now. One kind of in my neighborhood called Lenny's and one in my old neighborhood. Oh, Lenny's. We love Lenny's.

Don't you have a Lenny's? Wait, I'm confusing that with, what was the hat that you, what was that other little mini mart? It's not a fruit stand.

Oh, Rising Sun is similar in the old Roosevelt neighborhood that I have a shirt of.

No, there was a mini mart that had a hat.

Oh, darn good. That's like a quickie mart. No, I'm talking about little like kind of quasi open air fruit. Right.

I know Lenny's too. I was just getting it confused.

Yeah. So anyway, and those places are great. So anyway, it's just been kind of nice. Come home with various groceries, kick on the grill, turn up the tunes. have a vodka soda or vodka tonic in my case um and i've been kind of homing in on these nice kind of playlists for that for that uh for that time of day for that vibe and they're not playlists are more like me finding a good algorithm on spotify and i can't remember exactly how i get there weirdly there was some hippie song by the troggs that i heard on the way home the other day and i you think of the troggs you think of like wild thing right and like that is not the vibe i can't stress that enough but like some some like i don't know like whatever i put on the other day like there was some great song on and i looked it up i'm like oh this is from that monkey's album head that everybody talks about as being like the the real deal or whatever and this song popped up the other day and i loved it and it is by buddy holly now my relationship with buddy holly is every time i hear a buddy holly song it's one of the three that i've heard a million times and i think this is so good but i need to dig deeper than just the few greatest hits that i know right and this song that i'm going to play for you i don't know if this is one of the greatest hits i've heard over and over in my time or if this was the first time i heard it does the song um oh yeah dearest does that title ring a bell to you off of the album giant luke by buddy molly um oh yeah dearest um oh yeah in parentheses by the way you know well i'm

i'm looking forward to hearing this because i have a memory of some uh buddy holly song that i can't remember the name of but it's not like you said it's not one of the like three ones that we've all heard a million times and i remember hearing it on some you know came up on some algorithm and being like oh my god this is such a good song now i don't remember what that song is

but i will know if this is that same song yeah the vibe i was going for on my algorithm is not exactly the type of stuff you go for but i feel like there might be a little bit of overlap or at least a little bit of kissing if you don't mind me saying that um and so i could see this maybe popping up um anyway i listened to this once i saved it on my playlist to play for you here today i only heard this uh once recently um oh yeah dearest by buddy holly

We'll see you next time. You were scared and you were so bold Yes, together, yeah, our love will grow up Yeah, our love will grow up

You may be a million miles away

so there you go that's the vibe that's exactly the song yeah you know that from your algorithms

but it was the exact same thing i was like oh this is really great um and i had not heard it

before but i love that oh i really like this song yeah so this is off the record giant which that might be i'm always wondering like if i want to get into buddy holly what is like the record

to start with uh and maybe it's that one i don't have any great backstory or uh insight into the the music for your weekend that I want to play this week. It's just something that I heard, again, because of some algorithm that I was listening to, and then I shazammed it because I thought, oh, this is pretty good. And it's by a singer who plays, I think, under the name Class Actress. The song is called Let Me Take You Out. I can't say a lot else about Class Actress because I listen to some, it's sort of, I think a lot of her stuff is a little more, I would say, electro. But this one, I just love the vibe. It's a very kind of summery thing, and I love the intro. It kind of starts hot, but I just thought other people might want to check this out. It's Let Me Take You Out by Class Actress.

Let me take you out Down, down, tonight Let me take you out Follow you home Watch you write that note You know what's funny, Andrew, is I was like, it comes in hot.

And then I realized, oh, I was thinking of the listener suggestion. I had made a mental note to tell you one of these songs, like it starts pretty, you know, it starts pretty hot. Like, we want to make sure that we're not talking over it. And then that was not that. I see. That was just the song by class. Because then I was like, wait, is there like a minute and a half of intro music on this thing?

Oh, so there's good, that's good info for me, though. You want me to not fade in this next one, huh? The next one from the listener. I will say this, though. That sounds, I mean, and I'm no expert in this field of music or certainly this band. But it sounded like the Smiths to me. I really like that. That has a really, does that sound like the Smiths to you?

Yeah. And also the guitar, there's a tiny echo of Feel the Pain by Dinosaur Jr., which was the intro song to our friend Roden's podcast, Air Raid, which I think is the greatest intro music. And peace and love to Ben Lee, Catch My Disease. But the guitar riff from, I think it's Feel the Pain. It is, yeah. By Dinosaur Jr.

I didn't hear that as much, but yeah, I do love that song.

It's a good summery vibe. That's Let Me Take You Out by Class Actress Now the listener's suggestion is from our friend Jamie From Mississippi who I saw at Livewire The other night Well I think that she had work going on In the Northwest And trekked all the way out here And Jamie wants to play a song Called Why Don't You Come Out Anymore By I'm going to say The Natural But the way that the you In The Natural is You know how like in Bulgari Those other things Is that just like a Latin U? It looks like a V, but you say it like a U.

And that band Churches did that, too. It always makes me feel like it's going to be more severe.

It's also, I just, it's confusing to me because I never, I'm like, we say it like a U, right? I think so, yeah. Well, the music is really good. The band is called The Natural. And this is what Jamie says. This is some super music from The Natural. It's under the radar for such a polished sound, but it's a relatively new project. It's from Kip Berman, who started The Pains of Being Pure at Heart. Oh, interesting. We loved them. I think we had them on a TBTL Live at some point.

Oh, really? That was before my time. But yeah, I went through a big phase with them. Yeah, I remember.

really loving them i think what show was it would have been a a bumbershoot show one time we also

had surfer blood on one of our bumbers that i was there for because i was way into surfer blood that was really and i had just seen them independently at the vera project and then i remember i don't know maybe a year later or something being like oh my god we're doing a show

was that the same show where it was like surfer blood and then we had kumail not i want to say

yes but i kind of can i think i conflate a couple i think i did maybe bumbershoot with you twice or I'm conflating a couple of very, very early shows I did with you. I just remember there was one. I think it was my very first live show. I sat up there with you and Sean, and I don't think I said anything, which I am somewhat professionally embarrassed about, but also it was probably a relief to the listeners.

Well, please don't do that at the 4,000th episode, because at this point... We'll see. It's past my bedtime, you know. So let's see. anything else from Jamie's message she says I hear the 60s through the mid aughts in this time defying vibe and I'm loving it and it is a really good song I have to say it's called Why Don't You Come Out Anymore it's by The Natural it's how we're going to wrap up our broadcast week we'll say thank you for listening to TBTL please go to TBTL.net and get your tickets for the 4000th episode it'll be July 29th at the Neptune Theater in Seattle alright everyone have a great weekend take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

We'll be right back.

So why don't you come out anymore

I see a sailboat in your hand With a gold on your hand You've done something you can't undo again Lord, I know it's not him I'm promising as much, it's just the way the dishes fish And they wish you'd touch the side for you This one was created from a wooden vase from Fiji Unsure what type of timber, but it's a ladies' bong for ladies Power out.