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Do you hear the one about the guy who couldn't afford personalized plates, so he went and changed his name to J3L2404?

Yeah, that's a good one. T-B-T-M. That's a good joke. That's clever. Thank you. It's not clever. It sure as hell isn't a good joke. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is. It's Friday. Friday. Gotta get down on Friday. everybody's looking forward to the weekend because you're a chicken you're a chicken they think you're awesome they think you're number one they think you're the best wait

That didn't even spell anything, isn't it? Well, all right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

This song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where it's just an absolutely gorgeous, beautiful day. Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful. I am trying to ignore the fact that this week was the solstice, meaning the longest day of the year has now happened, meaning each day is getting slightly less long. Imperceptibly so. But that we are, we've had the high water mark. We've had the most light mark. And now we're just going to be getting a little less light each day. But I'm not going to notice it for a few weeks, so I need to just put it out of my mind. I need to focus all my attention on this right here, which is episode 3,973 in a collector series.

Let the fun begin.

As promised at the end of yesterday's episode, I've happened across a couple of little pieces of audio that have captivated me. One is of Martin Short over the years on The David Letterman Show. The other is explaining how it is that Old Dirty Bastard ended up on the Ghetto Superstar track. I'm the president of rap music, and I need to work with you right away. It makes a lot about what Old Dirty Bastard is saying on the track. It makes a lot of it make a lot more sense now that we have Pross, who basically wrote the song along with Maya, explaining how that all went down. We will talk about that. Oh, and I am having pangs of deep embarrassment about something that happened this week that wasn't even really my fault. This is embarrassing! If I'm being totally honest. So I'll tell you the story, omitting some of the names to protect the guilty, by the way, the guilty who set me up for failure. Anyway, we'll talk about that coming up. Plus, we'll talk to this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. their grace, their splendor, and all that intricate rigging. Who do you think you are? He is. He's Andrew Walls.

Damn.

Fire at all.

Back at it again with the white van.

And he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Damn straight I am. Hey, let me start the show today with a little bit of quick business, because I'm dying to hear about this excruciatingly twingy story you want to tell us, apparently. But I just want to say I've been getting some emails from just the most, I mean, the most kind-hearted, generous listeners who want to know how they can support TBTL. Now that here we are nearing the end of June, a lot of people have made their final payment through the American lucre, the root of all evil.

That's how you can support us. Give us money. Oh, you mean how they can get their money to us? I just thought they were generally like, hey, how do I support this thing called TBTL?

No, no, no. Yes. Filthy loot. It's loot, but how do you get the loot to me? You meet me on Aurora Avenue near Green Lake. Bring a Chromebook. Bring a Chromebook and more than $70. But, you know, we've said this on the show, but for those who haven't heard, we are parting ways with American public media, which means if you have been a recurring donor, your monthly donation has now officially stopped with June being the last month of donations. You don't have to do anything to stop that. But Luke and I, going independent, we do need your support now more than ever. However, when I say now, I mean in about a week because folks are like, well, how can we get you this loot? We will have a website up. It's all ready right now. It's in the cut.

That cash can really get me out of a couple of jams.

And one week from today, Luke and I will announce what our – the more details of our plans for our fundraising week. And we will unveil that website where you can then go to tbtl.net, the new tbtl.net, and you'll see the donation portal there. So for folks who are saying, hey, listen, my donation stopped. How can I give you more money? My God, you are such a beautiful person. Thank you. We will have that link ready for you a week from today. So thank you in advance.

And please try to stay in whatever that state of mind is for the next seven days or whatever it is. Do not discover another podcast. Please, dear God, don't have it be one of those things where you were about to hit re-up and then you got distracted in the course of seven days. I mean, I'm worried that I've personally been over-discussing this. I feel like I just keep falling back to it, this question of like, hey, are we going to actually be able to do this for our job? Obviously, we have confidence that we will be able to pay for everything through donations. Otherwise, we wouldn't have told APM, we're going to go our own way. We're going to T-TOW talkers going their own way. But that being said, one still wonders. We've already incurred a fair amount of cost. Like you and me, Andrew, already have some costs on the books that we need to get reimbursed of by the company. And then also we need to get paid. And I didn't realize how much we made before. And that's not a joke. We were going over the budget and the books and things like that. And you and I both, is it okay for me to share this with the listeners? Yeah, I think so.

I can't tell if it works in our favor or not.

No, but I mean the other thing I'm going to share with them, which is that you and I make the same amount of money. Oh, yeah. That's how it's always been. It's just like, and so, and also you and I weren't sure down to the like $1,000 of dollars what it was. And that's because over time we got a couple of like cola raises and merit increases and like not a significant chunk of change, but just like a change in the amount of money we were actually getting in our paycheck. And you and I are both kind of maybe not as detail oriented around that stuff as we could be. We knew generally what it was, but it was a bizarre surprise to realize that we're actually making because we're going to our goal is we don't want to lose money in the process of going independent. And our goal is to just keep paying ourselves what we were making before and hope that we can bring in enough money for that. And it was a very weird experience to think or to learn that we have to now pay ourselves slightly more than we thought we had to pay ourselves. So as to stay consistent with the plan, which was let's just make what we were making at APM.

Right, of course. And, you know, and we are setting up an official business, but we don't have the same sort of benefit plans and everything that we were afforded with American public media. any benefit plan right so we're working on that also i don't want to say too much but i will say along with friday's show as we kind of unveil what the thank you gifts will be this year um and the website where you can donate and kind of a preview of the thon which will officially kick off a week from this coming monday uh we also i'm not going to say what it is obviously but we do have a pretty a pretty significant tbtl announcement to make on friday regarding our future that i'm very excited

about yes that's a big deal it's a really big deal in the plot line of the show and also i thought you were going to say we do have actually some pretty cool thank you gifts and acknowledgements and things for the time we really do there's one biggie that we've been kind of working on and been sending around a lot of blueprints and plans and schematics and getting things locked in so i think this is again other than being an absolutely terrible week to try to raise money that being the fourth of july week um we will accept payment in fireworks by the way just mail us all of your black cats and your no thank you no piccolo petes we don't need those or those snake things that would just kind of uh like uh stain your sidewalk we don't need those i take smoke balls though

the smoke balls were the only like quote unquote fireworks i was allowed to play with as a kid because you can't do any damage because you can't do shit with it um but what i did was i would buy those things i can still smell them you remember they were almost yes they had a very to the touch

Yeah, they had a very – I didn't like the smell of them.

It was a very distinct smell. Oh, I loved it. And it kind of smelled like sulfur. But I would – me and Tony would put those in little model cars. I'd build these little crappy model cars, and then we would film it. Oh, fun. And then we would, like, try to make it seem like this car was going over a cliff and trailing smoke behind it or what have you.

That's actually pretty clever. All I would do is sit around with Andy Enstrom, cutting out, cutting open like thousands of Black Cat firecrackers and then emptying the trace amounts of gunpowder or whatever kind of powder it is into a jar until we filled the entire jar up and then making a wick out of toilet paper and then sneaking out of his parents' house at like two in the morning in Mount Lake Terrace and then going to a schoolyard and then lighting it on fire to see what would happen. What happened? Not as much.

of an explosion as you would expect and there was it was more i mean it it blew up the the jar but it didn't like it wasn't like a stick of dynamite it was just kind of like a it was it was it was underwhelming to us and what i remember also was that there was more color in the explosion than i expected i thought it was just going to be white maybe some maybe we used a couple of like ground bloom flowers or something that had a little bit of tint to it but i'm now as an adult I'm relieved that it did not have the massive explosive sort of outcome that we were hoping for. We were bummed as kids, but I'm now relieved as an adult that we didn't like blow up a school or something.

Well, I was going to chide you and say, well, this is exactly why people like my parents didn't let us play with any kind of fireworks because, you know, there are too many bad kids out there saying the wrong example. But I am just now remembering something that maybe this has come up on the show before. And on the off chance, if I'm going to say, if I'm going to admit to anything, I'd try to do it later on in the show so that there's very little chance anybody involved would hear it.

And in case the statute of limitations is still in place when the show starts but has expired by 40 minutes. Imagine. We do record long shows. If you cop to something and you did it a minute before and then someone heard it and then it was right before the statute of limitations expired.

We've done shows where I could commit a crime at the beginning of the episode and the Statue of Limitations would be over by the time the show was wrapping up. You could have done your probation. You could actually be completely free. You wouldn't be able to vote anymore, but that's how long the show goes. I was just going to say this was not as kids. This was as, like, teenagers. I do remember – because as teenagers, I think I was allowed to, like, have bottle rockets or, you know, I don't know if I was allowed to or just did or whatever. And I got up to a little bit of misconduct with those, I remember, on what would it be, like Northgate Avenue or whatever in Ohio, but in Cleveland. But I was going to say, I do remember, well, I won't name the friend, I don't know why I'm being cagey about this now, but he did have, like, a proper firework. It wasn't an M-80, I don't think, but it was some sort of, like... Was it a cherry bomb? A little mini bomb of some sort. Maybe it was an M-80, I don't know. But he was like, oh, my parents were not home. We were living in North Olmstead. And he's like, what I'll do is I'll light it and I'll throw it in this empty garbage can. And the garbage can was like next to the house, like kind of a vinyl sided house. And it was our house. And he lit it and he threw it in there and it went and it was like really loud. And the lid of the trash can went flying. And we were like, all right, no harm, no foul. That was fun until I looked at the house and there was a big black streak that went all the way up from the garbage can up the side of the house.

But Bob would probably not care about that, right?

Yeah, no, that's the type of thing that Bob's real chill about. I think, though, I don't know how, but I think I got away with it. I don't know if we hosed it off and it was still there a little. It didn't melt anything. I think it just left a black streak. And I think that it eventually just blended in before anybody noticed it. Or if anybody noticed it, maybe it was enough time had passed that I could plausibly be like, I don't know, man, what a world, as you like to say.

Now, I want to clarify, I was also not allowed to have fireworks. I just didn't in any way ever respect my parents' rules for my life. But it wasn't like they were like, oh, here's, you know, it's Christmas. Here's an M80 in your stocking or something. It was just we were just so unsupervised in that era, at least the latchkey kids that I hung out with. but also um it's funny because my i'm not i'm not a person who's overly obsessed with fireworks and in fact as i've gotten pets i've kind of become more much more receptive to what a lot of people say which is you know fireworks in a city environment can be really scary to animals and that's like really not if you've ever had a pet cower during the fourth of july you kind of it just sort of takes a lot of the fun out of it for you forever um i'm also not a person who's particularly obsessed with fires as a kid i wasn't you know trying to build campfires or fires in an unregulated area none of that stuff that being said i was as you were talking about throwing that m80 or whatever it was into that garbage can i was remembering that as an adult andrew as a married adult i was involved in a pyrotechnic uh pyrotechnic incident inside a

rental house that i had now this wasn't out in the in the woods when a whole bunch of us got

together like the fourth of july so no no this this was this was many years ago this was probably 23 24 years ago okay i had just gotten married i was living in this uh in this little house in the briar neighborhood of seattle this little rental and i mean teeny tiny rental me and my first ex and she is an artist and had wanted to do this video art project where she was very into process like she would do a lot of things where the the whole thing the piece was like videotaping herself Doing some very kind of step by step thing Of like she lived like Martha Stewart For a month where she did every single project From the Martha Stewart show stuff

like that this was something having to do with a cake and the idea was she was going to bake the cake each step of the way you're going to film this this is like before they made tick tocks you know doing this and um and the plan was bake this cake and it's like step by step and she's wearing this particular apron and looking very as we used to say becky homecky which was part of the you know idea for the aesthetic of the piece i guess and then put the uh put the cake in the oven and then pulled out and then put the cake down on this like nicely for like laid dining room table and then the cake explodes i was hired and by hired i mean i was there on this sunday afternoon so i was tasked with trying to figure out how to make the cake explode and i had somehow in my possession not m80s but some some explosives that were more significant than in fact it might you know what they might have even just been were like mortars that i took the booster off of does that make any sense so like you can buy at you know like like maybe on a native american reservation or whatever you can buy the it's like the cardboard tube and then you light the thing and you drop it and then it shoots up in the sky and it makes like a a smaller version of the big fireworks you might watch if you go down to like the cities you know those are all called mortars i think but the city's ones are the size of a garbage can and it flies up in the air and explodes you can buy one that's way smaller and you will see some this fourth of july uh when you look around in your town if you see some of those kind of pretty big circles that are up high in the sky those are mortars what those are is there's the thing that explodes in the sky but then there's the thing that propels it to get it up in the sky and you can take that part off they're not all mixed together they're like it's kind of hard to describe but you can break them apart and i think maybe what i did was took some mortars took off the part that shoots them into space and just left the part that explodes and like we somehow put them in the cake or one in the cake and i remember the first explosion didn't blow the cake up enough this is let me mention in our rental house and so i was like um okay so i'm gonna have to double up i'm gonna put two of these in she bakes another cake we put two of them in and i'm thinking this might be too much i don't know so i go and i hang some sheets around this is this teeny tiny dining room we had and i hung sheets around all the walls just i was like i don't know what's going to happen and again we're in a neighborhood we're in a densely packed neighborhood lighting fireworks off inside and so i i'm getting a call from fedex freight but i'm ignoring it right now andrew you can take it if you want i light these things off we run and hide it's being all it's all being filmed on some you know probably um digital recording camera i had and it worked it blew the shit out of the cake but all of

the sheets that i had hung were also totally shot through with fire they were like singed they had holes in them were they actively like they were not on fire but like superheated material superheated shrapnel had flown and by the way cut right through the sheets i don't think they did shit i don't know what i was i think i was really trying to protect the walls from cake like an explosion of cake is maybe what i was i wasn't even thinking about the like pyrotechnic aspect but i remember coming back in there and the whole dining room just smells like um well like a firework stand that's just gone off and there's just these sheets hanging they're all just like burned to shit and we're just like hi i wonder if we're losing our deposit yeah and then uh i don't even think that piece i I don't think she ever – I think she was in the exploratory phase. I don't even think that thing ended up being anywhere for all of that.

That reminds me – I really want to get to your story. But growing up, we would sometimes have like family movie night where my dad would pull out a – like the old – I can never – is it 16 – 8 millimeter, I guess? Like the old actual movie projector and we would watch old home movies. Now, those home movies, to keep in mind, I'm a kid in, like, the mid-'80s, and I'm seeing movies that were shot on, would it be, like, Super 8, High 8? I don't know what that stuff is. Yeah, I don't either. But, like, the old school.

But, like, there's no sound, right?

Like, well, no, there was sound, but it was, like, really, like, kind of, you know, you heard the clicking mostly of the actual apparatus playing it and the clicking of the camera recording. But you could hear, I'm pretty sure there was.

That's fascinating because all of those, I don't know why I'm talking this here. But maybe I'm the Hyatt and Super 8. The deal was, if I understand it right, not Hyatt. Hyatt was like the original, like, you know, camcorder that was in the home. But for like some of that stuff, if it's if you're playing it on the film reel, usually the audio would be separate because the film would be one thing. And then the audio would be recorded separately if you had any. But but who knows?

That makes sense. You know, I could be I'll ask my dad about that. That's interesting because I might have the technology slightly off. But I think.

there was audio because of this memory so you know one thing i kind of did not realize as a kid was kind of like my parents experience as young people like i all i knew was i grew up like in the country right like far away from everything i knew my parents had met and grown up kind of more in the city but i kind of didn't kind of realize i didn't have the context for the journey of somebody you know a couple in their 20s saying hey we want to strike out we want to have some fun and we want to like kind of do it out like buy a little plot of land somewhere outside of you know like outside of the city and that's sort of what brought my parents to valley city ohio and i think they had some wild times and with with like friends and what i know there was a lot of like dirt bike riding and taking trips out to arizona to climb my dad has a bolt in his shoulder to this day because of some motorcycle accident he was in they they were they were party people luke and i don't think i quite had the context for that all i knew is we had this one home movie that we would watch quite a bit we thought it was so funny and it was so janky and my mom so this was this the scene took place outside in our yard and i think this was before i was born or too young to remember or i certainly wouldn't have been on scene for this anyway um and my parents had some old refrigerator that no longer worked so they decided to create a skit and i'm gonna put my parents maybe in their like late 20s maybe for this which is so weird to think about weirdest

thing to think about yeah when they were younger than you but still adults maybe early 30s and sort

of having some fun living the dirtbag lifestyle basically and so they have this old refrigerator they put it out on the property somewhere it's a party right like they're having a big like barbecue party they might have even had a whole pig or something i think they used to do that sometimes and um they create this little sketch i guess where my mom is you know dressed up like exaggerated housewife style or something and you see the refrigerator just in the yard somewhere and she puts a a pan of beans and this is why i feel like there was i feel like there was audio because she was like my beans my beans i'll put them in the fridge or something like that and she puts them in the refrigerator and then like walks away or whatever and then of course there's a skip or whatever they they paused the camera my dad and probably my uncle steve who was a terrible influence on my dad load the refrigerator up the refrigerator up with nitroglycerin and then get the camera running again and then the like the door blows off the whole thing and then my mom comes into the scene like screaming about our beans or something that's my memory of that and And I believe that there was audio, although maybe she was just pantomiming my beans. I don't know how you pantomime my beans. I really want to see this movie. Yeah, I know. Actually, I do wonder where that is.

I actually want it to not have audio, but I want it to have those little cards that would have the writing. My beans, my beans.

All I know is they made me play piano. They had an upright piano. I was like. But anyway, yeah, I remember that. And as a kid, still not kind of being mesmerized by it. And now I look back, I'm like, oh, yeah, they were just like they were just party people when they were young adults and had a lot of land and fun in the country and had fun in the country. Exactly.

I don't know if I'm ever going to party again, Andrew, after the embarrassment that I'm currently suffering. Yeah, what's up with this? Well, I'm going to tell you about it after this show. How about that?

How about that? The Statue of Limitation.

We still got to sell a couple more Carvanas before we're done with it. I realize, by the way, the irony of me complaining the other day about the process of buying a car. And I was basically trying to buy the car that I'm already leasing. And it's like, I wonder how many ads for a simpler way to buy your car were running around and amidst and through what I was saying. That was a pretty powerful ad for Carvana.

It really was. How's your air conditioner? Has that crapped out on you yet? Because I believe we have an ad running for it. But if it does, I know how to fix it, Andrew. Exactly.

Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right. I'm going to try to figure out how to talk about this without giving too much away, because I'm not probably 100 percent authorized to discuss this, but it's really it's really keeping me up at night. So somebody asked me to do basically to do them a favor, which was to nominate somebody for an award. And it was someone that I know both of the people involved. And so person A said, hey, would you mind nominating person B for this award? I think they'd be really great for it. I can't nominate them because I work at the place where the award is being given. I said, sure. I was under the impression that that this was just kind of a formality that basically like this person wanted me to just, you know, send in this little, hey, so and so should get this award and then they could take it from there. Then they could like make the case, you know, at the meeting or wherever the voting happens. Like I thought this was purely a form.

because it couldn't come with from within the organization needed to come from someone else they asked me and that's all they said hey can you just like fill out this application and send it in for this person so we can have them as part of the conversation and i said uh sure but you know me andrew i don't really like to do anything ever um and so i was taking a long time and finally the person pinged me again and said oh hey i was just wondering if you might be able to um send

that thing along can i ask you a question yeah does the person who's making this obviously the person who's making the request is requesting it the person who is the target of the request the the the would-be recipient does this person know that you've been asked to do this does this person

know that they're even up for it no okay absolutely no idea they are not in this loop at all and so i am you know how i am with my performance reviews and things like that like i for as verbose a person as i am in this context or if you're hanging out with me at the eagles of which i am now

officially a member congratulations yeah you know i didn't even say that congrats i mean we talked

about on yesterday's show but i feel like i still am not getting my roses on that i know i mean we

talked about it but i never said congratulations fellow eagle and there yes i learned recently there is a special handshake no joke i'll see if i can remember it and also i can't i cannot speak

ill of you andrew oh that's right now i officially cannot now the show's really gonna suck okay go ahead so um so yeah so i figured that this was again a basically a formality like i needed to get this person who was being nominated into the pool of nominees so that then the person who had asked me to do it could take it from there because they thought this person would be a worthy recipient i figured there'd be some meeting and the person who'd asked me to do this would then make the case would then say like here's why i think so and so would be a really strong candidate for this award so i i fill the thing out it's a web form i'm on an airplane while i'm doing it by the way and i'm just saying like well you know what is this person you know demonstrated in these areas for and i would say like i put like one sentence answers that were not i didn't say i want to get into karate like i don't think it was meant to be disrespectful to the process like you put on your review i should exactly but it was just meant to be like let me click through all these things so that now now this is in the system and now someone else can take it from here oh no the way you've set this up i'm already cringing so i write this thing out i believe my name's on it too by the way because you like you're nominating this person i send it along i don't think about it for i don't know a month or two or whatever at some point i'm trying i'm chatting with this person the person who had asked me to do the nomination and i said hey whatever happened with that did that person get the uh the award and this other person goes kind of quiet and they go uh no no they they didn't get the award and i said oh really that's strange because i thought it was kind of like a slam dunk i thought that was why i was putting that thing in they said yeah um it was the um the application didn't go over super well with people and i was like what and and they said yeah um well the there's a committee of people and the way that they decide who they're going to vote for most of it is based on the strength of the application

and you were the you weren't one of many did you assume you were one of many people submitting this

form i assumed it was uh no i assumed i was the person that was just getting it into the system before a certain date so then i i assumed that this whole thing was rigged andrew like to a degree

like so i'm not getting the award is what you're saying i'm not getting the murrow award this year

for excellence in vodcasting i assumed i assumed that this thing was not rigged but it was like it's an organization that wanted to honor someone and there's a person that i know who's done some very honorable stuff and i figured this was a way that the organization was intending to try to honor this person i thought that my job was to just push the first dominoes or push the first domino that's a perfect way to describe it i guess i was supposed to set all the dominoes up and then push them and then videotape it and then put it on tiktok and then monetize it because i guess the the tone in the room was this application is the worst application we have ever seen for nominating someone for this award people were apparently shocked at how and in fact it came up multiple times during the conversation people kept saying i don't understand why this person would send this application in with such little information somebody else said and i quote andrew

i feel like i know less about this person now so wait hold on hold on hold on hold on okay so you're hearing about this from the person who made the ask of me but this person and I think I have an idea of who that person

is but i won't say anything but that person didn't bring this to you this person went through this a couple of months ago and didn't know i mean maybe maybe a certain amount of weeks ago or something but didn't bring it up with you it just happened oh it did just happen the process of this

person not getting the award i was nominated for just happened the me putting the application in

was a couple months i i see so that so that did come up this person then did tell you like wow You're you're you're half hearted at best, your quarter hearted application kind of sucked and went into detail to tell you about how people reacted in the room, which was more than just like, oh, not much here, but actually commented on about how bad the application was in a way.

This is a very nice person I'm talking about. They're not trying to make it worse for me. But also they weren't sparing a lot of detail about how put off the people in the room were at the how bad my application or my whatever you want to call it nomination form was. And all I could say to this person was I would have really appreciated it if you explained to me that there was a lot riding on this. Like I just thought I was getting I was thought I was pushing the first domino for you. i didn't realize that i was standing up for this person not unlike when someone stands up for you at an eagles initiation like and the fact that my name is on the application i believe i mean probably i had to put my name in somewhere and that there were it was apparently other than deciding who really got the award the main topic of conversation was how bad the the nomination form was for this other person who didn't get it thanks to me are you tempted at all although

So to nominate myself next year and write a bitchin resume, just like he's so good. No. Are you tempted at all to reach out, like to write some sort of formal letter of sort of a mea culpa to say, hey, I just want to say I nominated this person. I had an assumption about the process that was misguided, and I'm sorry for giving the application process somewhat short shrift. I would love the opportunity to do this. I wouldn't love the opportunity to do it again. Oh, yeah, that's true. You kidding me?

You think I'm going to put more time other than bellyaching about it on the show? No, I thought about that. But like, I mean, really, the problem is I can't throw this other person under the bus who kind of asked me to nominate somebody for this for this category. I guess the good news is it ain't rigged. I didn't do it. I didn't rig shit. Like, we know it's not rigged because not only did the person that I nominate not win, my nomination style was brought under great criticism. So it wasn't what I thought it was. It is a real vetted process where they did decide on someone who they thought had kind of achieved the most. One other thing I'll say is the person who I was nominating, again, I'm just dancing around so many specifics, but they're a person who is actually fairly well-known for their accomplishments. And so I guess I also figured – I literally just thought it was like you write someone's name down, you send it over, and then the people who are deciding on the award would look and go, oh, this person. We know this person. We've heard about what this person does. this person's been you know profiled in various places like i really thought it was more just like going hey what about this person not carefully detailing the specific ways that this person has worked in the community so as to support and elevate certain things that are prized with this award but i can't just go in there and go sorry i wrote you guys a crappy application no one told me like i was just i'm not even supposed to be here today like i didn't even want to do this i'm not

trying to make you feel worse but i think i will i i i disagree you also need to spit my coffee on

my computer don't do that i need to know when you're gonna say something funny you know you

never know stop stop clock um uh i disagree with your assumption that this person like quote unquote should have let you know that you needed to take it seriously in the same way that Like, why would there be an assumption that you wouldn't take it seriously?

Because this person has met me.

I mean, I mean, you can even your thing of saying, like, I would be throwing this other person under the bus. I don't think so. I think that you're only throwing yourself under the bus. I don't think it's up to this other person to say, hey, this is a serious process. Like, it's a serious process. Like, you made an assumption. I'm not just I'm not sitting here saying that, like, you're a bad person for making that assumption. I might have made a similar assumption as well. Like, I hate shit like that. I hate filling out forms. I'm getting all kinds of emails from APMs trying to set up in person or, you know, I'm sure like Zoom, but like actual exit interview meetings as well as taking a voluntary poll about like my departure from the company or whatever, like Luke.

The reason I'm leaving is so I don't have to do stuff like that. Oh, by the way, I'm also getting some delicious emails telling me that my performance review is due at the end of the month.

Even if it turns out we can't support ourselves on CBTL, not doing those performance reviews.

It makes it worthwhile. So I'm with you. I hate that kind of stuff, too. I have a real aversion towards it, but I don't think it's throwing the, I would say, requester under the bus to say, hey, I'm sorry. I didn't understand. I didn't quite internalize the scope of this. I mean, it's on you. I don't think that this other person needed to say, hey, Lukey, let's take this one seriously.

But I guess, I mean, here's the thing. Like asking me to nominate someone already indicates to me that there is some sort of – and this is also where I think I misunderstood. I was under the impression that this group of people were interested in getting a chance to honor this other person who's done some great stuff but who would never nominate themselves. And so somebody needed to just, like I said, get the ball rolling, like you said, push the first domino. Like what I can say is if I was asking someone to nominate you for an award and I knew that most of the weight of the decision making was going to fall on how eloquently that person described your personality and your work in the community and your professional broadcasting. If I knew that it was really like this application was where this stuff gets decided, I would tell that person, hey, could you nominate Andrew for this award? But also just so you know, what they really weight this thing towards is the application. So if you can just kind of like give that your real attention. And if you can't, that's fine. I'll find someone else. I feel like I would say that to someone because just the very fact that I was being asked to basically astroturf this in some way made me think that it was just a formality. let me put it this way if I were like I don't know what websites I'd be looking at but if I was like combing through the internet and I saw that there was like the award for this and I thought oh I know someone who I think would be a great recipient of this and then I went to the website to send in their info I would not have done like the world's I would not have done the least possible work on it that's not how I arrived at this moment of doing this somebody asked me to do it and so my thought was I just got to get this in the door and then they'll take it from here. That was clearly not the case.

And now now I know it reminds me a little bit of the recommendation process when applying for a job. Like, let's say that I was applying for a job, which let's say that's a real possibility in the next six months or so. And I want you to be a reference for me. Right. And so I might ask Luke, like, hey, I'm applying for this job. Could you be a professional reference? Now, I'm not going to ask you to say something. I'm not going to say, hey, Luke, I've already written out this recommendation from you. Could you just sign it? Although you probably prefer that. But I might say, like, I think what they're looking for is somebody to, you know, testify to my attention to detail and stick with it or something like that. You know, I might kind of guide you in that way because I might say to another reference, like, hey, I think what they're looking for from our professional relationship is my ability to manage up or something. You know what I mean? Like so you can sort of guide people. And it sort of sounds like that's what maybe you were looking for as far as guidance on this.

Well, yes. And also, again, not that it's everyone else's job to account for me and my tendencies, but it's like, you know, you ask a fox to guard the hen house. What do you think? Like, like, I'm not known. I'm not the person who over delivers when it comes to something that feels, you know, paperworky like that, which just means of all people, like if I was I'm trying to think like you do over deliver on that stuff generally. Like I think you put a lot of thought into things and like you wouldn't have done this. But if anyone has met me and they're asking me to do something like this, just in the interest of getting the thing they want, getting the outcome they want, I would think they would want to be like, oh, and by the way.

Take this one seriously. Take this one seriously. Right.

Not that people should have to ask me that. Not that I should be the kind of person who doesn't take a lot of stuff seriously. I'm not saying that that's the correct thing. I'm just saying from a practical standpoint, if somebody wanted me to really like – I think it would have been worth – it's like we all work with people like this where you're like – although I just realized I'm pretty much the only person you work with now or soon will be the only person you work with. But like we've all worked with people over the years where you kind of have a sense of like, oh, that's a person I'm going to have to ping them a couple of times or that's the kind of person that I'm going to have to really be pretty clear like I'm going to need to really explain this in a way that's really followable for them. versus I can just kind of give them a rough idea and then just see what they come back with. Like we all learn what folks' strengths and weaknesses are and stuff like that. My weaknesses include doing anything.

i don't want to be doing ever so this person if they've met me maybe i feel like they could have been a little bit more thorough with explaining to me really what was on the line here because again now i just like look like and if to the i don't i'm i'm not a famous man andrew but if somebody who's like reading this nomination is like is that the guy from the radio is he

functionally illiterate which is going on with this person right because you because of the because of the weight that your name carries well it doesn't carry a lot of weight but like i mean there's a reason why this person asked you aside from whatever your personal relationship with this person is it is also because it's luke of public radio live why people in in that area know you and you're you're recommending somebody who's known in the community as are you specifically specifically portland not just the public radio audience all i can think is these people being

like why did the guy from the radio take the time to nominate this person but do it so poorly give almost zero supporting evidence like why what is going on for this guy so you know what um can i

make you feel better now about something you look marvelous um no i it's like i'm trying to keep the

cultural references as current as possible i forgot about that era of billy crystal's career

hey um here's here's one here's one silver lining alert for you um at least the person doesn't know they were nominated at least the person who is the target of this nomination at least you don't have to face the embarrassment in front of them i guess right they they're not and and also this

is a person who is doing great work in the community and um and is very busy and is very appreciated in a lot of other ways so it's like it's not it's good that they don't know that this was even happening honestly they're the kind of busy person that it would have been one more thing they had to deal with they would have had to figure out how to like sideline some of their daily duties to go and be part of this so it's it's basically fine the only person who loses in this andrew is

the reputation of luke burbank yes that's the only l in this whole situation is that these

some group of people think that i am the weirdest and worst writer in america and and the person

who requested that you do this because they wanted this person to be well but that but this person

can be nominated next year yeah that's true yeah they can come back and happen again but i was like can you do me a favor i was like can you i don't know how many people there you're allowed to mention this to but will you let at least the people within your organization know that you had asked me to nominate like i was like can you at least clear my name amongst like four of the nine people that were in this room going on and on about how do i how do i feel like i know less

about this nominee after reading this is that what you said they said i feel like i know that is a

great they literally somebody said i know less about this person it was pretty devastating yeah

grandma can you pick me up from the award nomination it was pretty devastating it was

pretty devastating oh that's hilarious all right let's get to this audio on a friday it's absolutely zero newsworthiness but i thought it was pretty funny um i was watching a tick tock the other day and what this person had super cut together was like 20 plus years of martin short being on the david letterman show and he clearly had developed this recurring bit where he would basically say to david letterman sort of he would he would mistake david letterman for some other random celebrity who's considered handsome and this starts in probably like the late 90s and goes all the way right up until like they both look like it's really close to letterman's retirement now what i ended up doing was because this was video i had to go in and basically take out all the stuff that made no sense and then put a little sound effect in between appearances because what you what's hard to realize is this is each one of these things is from a different time he was on

the letterman yeah so kind of a wipe but kind of an audio it's kind of a wipe and in fact i found

myself googling audio wipe the other day and finding one that was free to use so uh this is just again probably 25 years of martin short over his career being on the letterman show and just like saying funny kind of insulting things to david letterman and every wipe that you hear now we've jumped into a different appearance from martin short let me just say something to you

Yeah. You, and I've said this before, and I'm sometimes afraid I'm going to come across phony. No, but look at me. You look fantastic. Oh, thank you. Because I sat in a monologue and I thought, oh, my God, David Schwimmer is guest hosting? Have you had a rib removed? No. What is it? Is it the new chin? No, I just take care of myself. I watch for you. Is it the new chin? Yeah. You are looking so much like Johnny Depp. I thought you were Skeet Ulrich. Are you training with Radu? I'm watching the show and I say, wait a second. Why do they have Dawson's Creek on? They didn't. They had you on.

There's a whole Lord of the Dance thing about you. It's fantastic. Have you had another bypass? In the rehearsal, I saw you from a distance and I said...

I love the Dawson's Creek reference. It's a real trip through time of what weird thing Martin Short was... What cultural reference Martin Short was into at the moment.

What is Hallie Joel Osment doing guest hosting? There's a whole Vin Diesel thing happening. Have you had your skin resurfaced? you've had a tattoo removed haven't you i don't i don't the ones with the unicorns mating that one you look so young you could be marrying elton john i'm telling you they can't all be winners okay that's fine and it's not until you get really close i see the surgeon scars you can't see them how's the son how's harvey uh harry harry oh you dropped the v well i think i like that

that i think is maybe the most devastating line from the rap battle how's harvey your son harry

oh you dropped the v i like that even better that is just do you think there's any chance that he actually did mistake the name and then had an amazing recovery or you think that he went in

knowing that i don't know enough about his process to know like if like how you know how sort of planned out he was or how in the moment he was for these things but like can you imagine and can you imagine like being in a relationship with martin short in some capacity you know the family member of his whatever and if he was actually trying to cut you down he has an amazing it's so it's uh it can be quite quite as we keep saying now devastating harry oh you dropped the v

Are you wearing Spanx? You could be one of the fourth Jonas Brothers. Really? Yeah. You know what I think, what I love that you're doing, I think it's very savvy, wearing your suit so tight. I've talked to so many people who actually still watch your show that they say it's a stretch. You know, you don't thrust your Scientology in people. You are absolutely, oh, my God, your skin is so youthful.

Thank you.

It's not firm, but it's youthful. I was looking backstage, I thought, is that one of the Winklevoss twins? They're usually separable. The word jaundice barely comes to mind anymore. And that fragrance of yours, it hits the back of the throat. I look at you and I think to myself, whatever he's doing, 30% more, and he's Angela Lansbury. I remember one time you said to me at a party, you said, I find you artificial and I've hurt. Because it's not true. How funny is that?

Anyway, that's 25 years of Martin Short just being really funny on the David Letterman show. That kind of made me miss that show. I mean, I'll be honest, in the last probably five, ten years, it wasn't like I was, you know, a regular viewer of the program. Really what it makes me nostalgic for is the time in my life and in the time for the time in, I guess, what, like American cultural history where people would watch those shows, whether it was like, you know, Letterman or Leno or whatever it was, you know, The Tonight Show. Like it was appointment television. I don't know if I'm going to bed earlier. I don't know if I'm just looking at TikTok more. But it was like there was a period of time where like, you know, Hugh Grant is going on Letterman to like talk about what happened with him in Los Angeles when he picked up that Lady of the Night or something like it's it just used to be such a cultural moment. And it was I mean, this is I say some version of this all the time, but there just was so much less competition that it was just kind of it was kind of event television. And I felt like I remember when David Letterman moved to CBS from NBC to CBS, I remember going to my friend Joe Dolan's house and sitting in like a bedroom with like him, his brother, another friend of ours, and maybe even his dad, Gare Dolan, R.I.P. Mr. Dolan, watching David Letterman's first show on CBS. like we were like we're getting together to watch this because this is and I'm probably like 16 at the time or something like it was just a big deal and I kind of missed the fact that it's not a big

deal anymore I do wonder you know we've talked about this a lot and one thing that I don't know if I've brought up because I'm not I wasn't somebody who watched a lot of these shows I do remember the sort of heady feeling of like maybe staying up and watching some letter men which seemed like pretty I mean can you be counterculture and have the late show like it's for the late

late show certainly in the early days yeah Andy Kaufman stuff yes certainly pretty close to that

and you still got a you still sort of got a vibe of that even in the 90s when we were young and also staying up late and all that but like I you know I was never a huge watcher of it the way you were um and so maybe take what I say with a grain of salt but I do wonder if the shows the reason or one of the reasons those shows don't have the same gravitational pull anymore

is because obviously the media landscape is drastically different. That's number one, right? But also, were the show's victims of their own laziness? Like, specifically when it comes to the guests, you talk about, like, having, like, maybe going on the show, maybe having a serious moment, maybe trying to discover somebody's truth a little bit, maybe actually trying to, like, have a conversation. It just seemed so fake. It had the fakeness of awards shows, I feel like, near near the end of the 90s or early 2000s where like everything is just like fallon being like okay well tell me about this thing that my producers told me to ask you about and lead you here like and none of it felt or organic at all not that like short didn't come out there with knowing what he was going to say and who knows how much letterman knew but like there's always a bit of preparation and in you know the roles of producers to sort of get a sense of where a conversation could go but it just felt so fake and fabricated and preordained by I call it the end as if these shows don't exist anymore but by the end of their cultural significance I think

you're probably right I think that probably they went more and more towards pure entertainment and you know away from maybe at least a little bit of interesting conversation I will say when I was at the taping of colbert um when uh we were there because depeche mode was playing he had his actually his first guest out was a writer was a black woman who had written a book i believe about reparations and i was actually kind of surprised i was like i was like and i thought it was a very thoughtful conversation and uh i was again because i don't watch these shows anymore all i see are if like something quote unquote viral happens you know so i don't even know i guess maybe these shows still do have on some actually interesting meaningful conversations but but I my guess is that the where their bread is really buttered is like Jimmy Fallon surfing uh with Drew Barrymore and on a thing that they built on the set where they're also singing karaoke that's like really where the whole that whole industry has gone uh and it's not like you know Saul Bellow on the Jack Parr show having a deep conversation about um anti-semitism

or something yeah and you know you also identified the fact that different people are doing different things like I don't watch Colbert on the late show but I do think Colbert is a straight-up genius like and knowing you know his previous work and the character that he played on the Colbert show and everything that he's kind of parlayed that into and like sort of like almost deconstructing and reconstructing the format a little bit like it doesn't surprise me that what he's doing in current late night is actually more substantial than what a Fallon is doing and Fallon I think is probably the opposite extreme on that.

I will say, and probably this came up back when I attended the Colbert show and then we talked about it. I had never been to one of those before and I'm a huge, huge fan of Stephen Colbert's. It was interesting being in the room with him, watching him do it because it demystified it for me. And it doesn't mean that he's not a genius because he really is. But it was fairly yeoman-like what the actual job of doing that hosting thing is uh if that makes any sense like it was i was weird i left thinking i could do that you know and maybe that's just because i have an inflated sense of my abilities uh and uh because i have like a very very very very very very low rent radio version of that job but i was like oh okay i see how this works i see what they do they do this and then they do this and then this is where they cut i was like it was kind of getting to see the mechanics of it it like demystified colbert for me in a way that's still healthy because i'm still obsessed with the guy and i think he's a i think he's a national treasure but it was i it was weird it was like i watch it and i thought oh okay well that's that's how this happens that's

how they do this and i think the thing that col and i'm thinking more about the colbert show here um you know that he was okay so yeah which was like clearly a spin-off of like kind of the standard that the daily show set like okay instead of fake news we're gonna do fake conservative talk show host with tons of bombast or whatever and that and that all makes sense but then what he started it's sort of and i know that john oliver does this too but i'm pretty sure colbert kind of did this stuff early on it's like that and this does sort of remind me of my early days of working with you the sitting down even when we were just like producing the the daytime show that you produced with that you hosted with uh dave ross i remember you telling me like you know let's try as much as possible not to just like talk about things but let's do things you know And so you have Colbert out there. He's got a successful show. He could just kind of keep the format running. But instead, in order to highlight the ridiculousness of super PACs, he starts a super PAC, you know, like that's what I mean. It's like, like, it just wasn't good enough just to like kind of ease in and do a good job. Now, I think that there's probably going to be a lot more strictures probably, you know, working for The Late Show on CBS. And, you know, it's probably going to be maybe a little bit less.

experimental but that's when i think of him being like oh it wasn't good enough no we're not going to just make fun of super packs we're going to freaking start a super pack and he did a whole

bunch of stuff like that totally and i think you're also right you know uh the john oliver thing a lot of the really to the degree that the late night shows might be getting a little bit having less cultural relevance you also see the ascension of things like last week tonight with john oliver um you know so so it's like i don't can't believe this is the second life finds away reference i've made this week but it's like entertainment and information finds a way it just doesn't go through the same channels it used to but i think i miss those channels because i miss being 16 years old and sitting in on the floor in this bedroom at joe dollin's house like excited about letterman being on a different network yeah you know i miss that i miss that age in my own life and i associate and really i think probably about 80 percent of when you know when we're complaining about how things used to be better i think what we're really thinking is or what we're really connecting with is the fact that we used to be younger. Just everything used to be a little better when you were not as advanced in age. And now, you know, there are also other studies that say that the most happiness, the happiest people are, can be much later in life than you think. What do we find, like 70 or something? That's what Dr. Kirk said. When people feel a real sense of happiness. So I'm certainly not trying to say all of my happy days are behind me, but I do think that sometimes when I think about the days of yore, what I'm really missing is not the specific song or television show or vehicle that I that I missed that I think I missed I think I missed just being that age and the sense of discovery that comes

along with that age because the world is still newer to you by definition you know like when you were watching a Letterman show that might have been something that somebody was was feeling like they were discovering 20 years ago when it was a brand new show but for you as a young teen or or or younger than that in the 90s you're discovering it for the first time or you're discovering your era's snl or whatever it is or and maybe this will transition us to the next segment the music at the time like we have tons of music now there's no reason why music would be less enjoyable to us now but there was something about our hormones and our world experience when we were younger people that it was that this this just unbelievable sense of excitement whether you you were looking back at music from 40 years ago or something that was being released in the moment

Well, speaking of, before we get to music for your weekend, I've always been a fan of the work of Old Dirty Bastard, but I've also always been kind of confused about his process. Now, at the end of yesterday's show, I was confusing Baby Got Your Money and the song Ghetto Superstar, both of which involve ODB. In Baby Got Your Money, he utters the iconic line, God made dirt and dirt bust your ass, which doesn't follow any of the traditional rhyming systems that we have identified in Western culture. And yet it's something I love about ODB's rapping so much Even though it doesn't really feel like he's rapping As much as just like possibly having A mental breakdown And like just this Ghetto Superstar Is a perfect example He's on the track but he's kind of seems So here's what I had forgotten Andrew The song Ghetto Superstar You know this song Everybody knows the song

I know the hook although I don't know the song that well

Well what's amazing about the song Is what I had forgotten about the song is that it was from the soundtrack of the movie Bullworth. Oh, Christ. Okay. Where Warren Beatty decides that—I had to look this up today. Warren Beatty plays Senator Bullworth, who is disgraced— this is back when we used to have, I think the word is shame— disgraced Senator Bullworth realizes that his political career is over due to some scandal, And so he decides he wants to have himself killed So that his family can inherit his insurance money That's the plot? He puts a hit out on himself I only know this from reading like Wikipedia today

I thought he was just trying to like run for election or re-election By being an outsider candidate who sometimes raps I had no idea

He becomes, by the way, the movie poster for Bulworth Is to this day one of the most upsetting things I've ever seen It's a cartoon of Warren Beatty And then a rapping Warren Beatty Is climbing out of Warren Beatty's mouth And it is, it haunts my nightscape. But so, no, the plot is, I guess, he puts a hit out on himself. But then because he has nothing to lose, he starts just straight talking everybody. And he's cutting through the BS, Andrew. And he's just saying what's on his mind because what does he have to lose? And then guess what? Everything changes. First of all, he meets Halle Berry. And I believe probably falls in love with her. Who wouldn't? And then is getting all this crazy, like, response to his just straight talk. And now I guess he's got to figure out how to not get assassinated Or whatever And I do believe he raps at some point in the movie Which is, I just can't even There's no universe in which that holds up well Probably So that's where this song is from The soundtrack

Of Bullworth and it's written by Pross and probably to some degree Maya And Pross's raps are kind of like about I'm watching the Video today when I'm grabbing this audio Pross's raps are about things that Are related to Politics ish you know And whatever and then Maya's just singing Ghetto Superstar And but then you get ODB jumping in with something that seems like Only a kind of real limited understanding Of the plot of the movie Bullworth

by the way that line i find myself walking the streets trying to find what's really going on

in the streets it does rhyme that's a real um well if you use the same word you're pretty safe on rhyming that's a classic odb line to me because it's like this was the best you had like this was really like do you wrote this down like they said can you be on this song from the movie bulwark and you went home and you wrote down i find myself walking the streets trying to find out what's really going on in the streets and like they left that in like how did this happened well it turns out that pross recently uh was uh being interviewed about how it all came together and it appears that what happened was old dirty bastard was at the wrong recording studio and thought that when pross was having his recording session odb thought it was his session and pross didn't know how to get him to leave in a non-awkward way and this is how that went down

He walked in my session by mistake. He thought he was in New York City. I don't know if he was drunk. I don't know what it was. I don't know if he was tired. I can't say it. God bless his soul, by the way. But he just didn't know where he was at. And so he thought my session was his session. I was sitting there trying to figure out what's going on. I was being respectful. You know, he's a fellow artist. We don't have no beef with him, you know. Trying to get him out the nicest way. The music is looped in the background It's being played Finally he's like Yo what's that Like oh this is something I'm working on What Put it up

By the way that's not a bad ODB impression

No it is not What Finally he's like Yo what's that Like oh this is something I'm working on What Put it up That shit's hot I need to get on this Thinking to myself Alright He goes in the booth Lay his vocals I'm like yeah I'm gonna erase this shit it's all said and done shit turned on hot we kept it

I mean you can just hear like you can now just imagine ODB let's be honest probably on something he's been given like three of the main bullet points it's a movie about politics and then he's just going in there and he's just kind of he's kind of really shooting from the hip but it ended up i guess being you know iconic enough to make it into the song and uh and now you know because i've always wondered how it was what odb's creative process was and i believe it was show up at a studio any studio and see if they'll let you on the track and then just kind of let go and let God.

I had that queued up from earlier.

Hey, speaking of music, let's do a little music for your weekend before we get out of here. Andrew, what would you like to play?

Well, Luke, I need to revisit something that I did in this very segment last week. I don't know if long time, and when I say long time, I mean seven-day listeners remember. this time uh last week i chose a buddy holly song called um which by the way showed up on one of my

playlists the other day on spotify and i was like yep that was the same yep and that's how i discovered

it i was listening to some um algorithm while grilling it was really dialed in the vibes were nice and the song came on i couldn't remember if i'd heard it before or not and um and so i wrote it down and i played it for music for your weekend the official song title of the buddy holly version is um oh yeah dearest and i did not notice when i was listening to it while barbecuing but i did notice when i played it for you last week with my you know broadcast headphones on luke that the vocals are kind of interesting they're not that well miked actually he sounds kind of far away and after the show last week i learned so much about this song with so many dazzling details first of all it was a cover more on the in a moment that's where things get really interesting secondly this was a song that was recorded just by him as a demo but then the the version that we all hear now is what's called an overdub version there was um the album giant apparently was an album that was released posthumously where they took a bunch of demos of buddy holly and they uh assembled a band to kind of you know fill out the rest of the arrangements and they released the album posthumously kind of like they did with that john lennon song in the 90s and they turned it into like the quote unquote last beatles song right so that kind of explains the the vocals on that song but then what i learned was the original song was just called dearest and that's what i'm going to play for you today by mickey and sylvia do you know that's why yes so mickey and sylvia do one of my one of my favorite jukebox jams i put this on whenever i can control the jukebox they're the ones who did that song um love is strange which i want to say is dirty which has which has um well

uh um no there's another there's no i think that so the guitar i was going to say this last week when you played it i was going to say that guitar loop sounds like a mickey and sylvia because that's in the song i think the song from from dirty dancing is hey lover boy which isn't the same yeah no it is it is it's love is strange mickey and sylvia

dirty dancing it's the most famous song that this is not my music for your weekend but this is the this is their most famous one right and isn't there a loop in the buddy holly song that is very similar to that the guitar part i'm not sure but um i'm gonna play for you their original version which is just called dearest not um oh ah dearest but here's the other dazzling detail so i love that song love is strange i've never seen the movie but i love that song and i knew it was pretty good by the way mickey and sylvia but that's all i knew about them turns out sylvia mickey and sylvia i don't believe were a romantic couple they were i believe just a musical duo i could be wrong about that but either way sylvia ends up becoming sylvia robinson she gets married marries somebody um named i can't remember robinson's first mr robinson together they found so sylvia of mickey and sylvia uh her and her husband found sugar hill records and end up releasing rapper's delight and the message which are by i believe those are both officially by the sugar hill gang but like they i think she produced that yes so mickey sylvia of mickey and sylvia her and her husband mr robinson founded sugar hill records and released the two like first two of the first iconic hip-hop songs that's wild is that and that song that's amazing

because i've even looked them up before mickey and sylvia because i went down a similar journey which was just thinking about that song their version of love is strange um the reason also that i always get confused on that one is because the first time i heard the song love is strange was the everything but the girl cover of it oh and it's a really different vibe so then when i heard it uh associated with dirty dancing again really a pretty great movie and if anybody knows where i can get that kellerman's hat that wayne knight is wearing get at me because there's a i've spent a lot of time trying to find this hat that wayne knight's character is wearing in the

movie it does not seem to exist i get all the dancing movies confused and it frustrates genevieve is the dance is dirty dancing the one where there's like um there's somebody who's banned dancing in the town no that's footloose that's footloose okay kevin bacon and john lithgow and

diane weiss and footloose also uh chris penn rip one of them has an abortion is that dirty dancing that's dirty dancing okay that's um uh somebody you know so dirty dancing is basically there's this like summer camp like you know for the whole family up in the catskills i think it's called kellerman's and it's the story of a young woman who goes up you know with her family to stay at the camp for a month or however long it is her dad is played by jerry orbach ah jerry orbach yes dirty dancing or excuse me later of law and order and also being lumiere in uh the animated beauty and the beast and she uh kind of falls for everybody calls her baby that's her nickname and she kind of falls for patrick swayze who he is one of the people he does like he teaches like the dance classes to like the older you know retired gals because there's all these activities at this camp you know you can do archery you can do ballroom dancing and she falls for him but he's from the other side of the tracks because all the people that work at the at the summer camp you know uh they're all like townies they're all local and they don't have the money to come up and spend a month off taking you know activities so he brings her into his world and there's this sort of epic scene where all

All of the staff from the camp are like dancing and there are black people there and the music is great. And it's just like it's the most polar opposite of this kind of stuffy Kellerman's Club thing. And she's helping him because Patrick Swayze is bringing some watermelons to this big dance party.

Yeah, I was going to say I carried a watermelon.

She carries a watermelon for him, which she then later yells, I carried a watermelon for you. and also she's the baby that the line nobody puts baby in a corner is famously associated with. Again, if only for the costumes I think it's a pretty solid movie and I know there's people that think it's much more than a solid movie. It's an entire religion for some folks

Well, Swayze definitely has that kind of pull. I am concerned with time here. I know that you have a hard out today so I'm going to play this for you. This is the original song titled Dearest by Mickey and Sylvia

guitar solo us say we'll part you scorn and you were so bold yes together yeah our love will grow old yeah our love will grow old you may

Sylvia's voice as our friend the stew bot would

say is objectively perfect it's so good yeah i've never heard that song but it makes me want to like figure out their whole catalog however much music they made during their time together because that's really good i want to find it on vinyl i am and then bluetooth dongle it into your head exactly i was doing that last night uh i don't have any interesting backstory about my song or any babies in any corners none of it relates to the television show law and order but it is a song that I heard when Addie and I were driving to see Paper Moon. And, you know, if I spend a weekend with my daughter, you know I'm going to come back with 10 new artists that I'm, like, obsessing over. It's somebody named Helena DeLand. The song is called Spring Bug. Helena DeLand is, I guess it's called art pop or something. That's what I saw on the internet today. But she's from British Columbia originally, might live in, like, Quebec now, and just has been releasing records. This is just a single, So I don't think it's on an album yet, but this is a really nice little early summer vibe. Can we hear a little Spring Bug by Helena Deland?

This year I'm on my own The buzz is all mine When it starts getting fun Its poison makes my blood rush Past lives walk by and I push They ask to sit I try leaving Fast enough to outrun them Remember that's a bad plan

So there you go, A Little Spring Bug by Helena DeLand. That's really nice. Yeah, very. I guess she's got maybe five or six releases out, which I have not had the chance to go through and do a careful study of. But I will be very soon because I'm digging this song anyway. Our listener suggestion is from listener Gregory. He says, sup, y'all. My suggestion for Music for Your Weekend is Miles by Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit. It closes out the excellent new album Weather Veins. I've been hearing Jason Isbell doing interviews and things, which means he must have a new album out that he's promoting. Isbell describes Miles as if Neil Young was in Wings. I don't understand enough about rock and roll to know what that would do exactly, Neil Young being in Wings. I guess then Paul McCartney wouldn't be the only good member.

Well, I think of Wings as being kind of schmaltzy, very rounded. Well, I mean, kind of schmaltzy and rounded, like 70s, kind of. Whereas I think of Neil Young as being that really kind of aggressive.

Some sharp guitar, like, you know, like kind of pounding on it. And I don't know what the voice is like, too, but you get that raspy voice. Well, we're going to get to find out together here.

Miles, excuse me, Gregory says, of course, that's all filtered through Isbell's Alabama sound. The song is anthemic, smooth, and has a fantastic transition halfway through. I don't know if we're going to get that far, Gregory. We're already in trouble with YouTube over playing Catch My Disease during Andrew's pretend show the other night. So we'll get as far as we can, though. The lyrics are nostalgic, mournful, and loving. Give it a spin, signed Gregory in Pomona, California. We will give it a spin, Gregory. That's how we're going to wrap up this broadcast week.

That does sound like Neil Young. That guitar right away sounds like Neil Young.

This is Miles from Jason Isbell and 400 Unit. Have a great weekend, everybody. We'll see you on Monday. Until then, take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

guitar solo played. I wish it was as simple as somebody done, somebody wronged. I'm coming home early, catching on with you. There's miles between us, the boy you should have seen us when we met.

Hi, this is Kathleen DeLanne Arbor. Am I the only person that thought my dinner was Andre was with Andre the Giant? Obviously, I've never seen the movie, but every time I've heard it referenced, I assumed it was Andre the Giant. Sounds like it wasn't. Thanks. Power out.