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Excuse me, can I talk to you for a second? How can I help you? My date's eating all the fully loaded nachos. All the ones with the meat and cheese and everything. The ones that are fully loaded, she's hogging them. So I'm mostly getting just like, just chips. Like mostly just chips, like nothing on them. But like a little bit of cheese and maybe one little nugget of meat. Okay. Can you say something to her? Say what? Maybe go up to the table and just say like, Hey, stop that! Or like, hey, that's not allowed. You want me to go over and say stop eating the meat on the chips? Just say the restaurant has a rule. It's not you. It's the rule the restaurant has that if you get an item to share, you can't... One person can't just eat all the fully loaded ones. Like, don't look around. Find the one with the most meat and always eat that one. Can't you just ask her to share with you? Can't you just say the restaurant has a rule? TBTL!

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You embarrassed me in front of Derek Jeter.

You embarrassed yourself in front of Derek Jeter. And I also think it wouldn't hurt you to talk to a therapist about your bathroom issues because there's clearly something going on there. Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Thursday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Early bird gets the worm, but who wants to live on worms? My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

We did it. We did it, Joe.

Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where we are looking at an absolutely spectacular Thursday.

Oh, Ma, Pa, it's just beautiful.

In the weather department, fortunate that things are warm here, but they're not dangerously warm as they are in much of the country. Hope that you're doing okay if you're in one of those places, that you are staying hydrated, that you are staying indoors. That's as close as I want to get to weather tips you can use. One of my least favorite parts of the local news. tips for beating the heat because I think most of us instinctively know drink water and stay inside where there is air conditioning here we are everyone at episode 3987 in a collector's series

let the fun begin

you shouldn't sit outside in the direct sun and let it beat down upon you, you also probably shouldn't go all office space on that printer and by that I mean, remember the iconic scene where the three characters take a baseball bat to a printer that's been bedeviling them.

This thing rules. It collates, staples pages. No more stapling by hand.

Yeah, Santa should have wrapped it.

The Washington Post has an entire piece on why it's bad for you to beat the crap out of your printer. It's also part of something that I believe they were calling Printer Week, meaning the Washington Post also has something called Printer Week, which is interesting. Also, there is a product that Burger King has rolled out in, I believe it is, Thailand. And I think it is 100% a stunt to get what we call earned media, to just get people like us to talk about it. And yet, I would absolutely eat this thing.

It's cheesy, it's delicious, and kids go nuts for it.

Also, it's a Thursday, a.k.a. Blur's Day, so we will do some Blur's Day messages. And we'll talk to this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, their splendor, and all that intricate reggae. hey hermano he's andrew walsh and he's joining me right now good morning my friend good morning

luke now i want to make it clear before i tell you a little anecdote that i don't feel threatened by this but clearly my psyche is um preparing for possibly a change in the broadcasting horizon because you know how i often have dreams i don't know why you would know this but you know I would often have dreams that are work-related, and in my case, radio-related, like stress dreams, often stress dreams, not always, sometimes just in a radio station doing our jobs, but often I'll be maybe helping out in some music program, but there's always a song that's about to end, and I can't find a CD to play next, like some real stress dream stuff, but It always takes place in a radio or podcast.

atmosphere of some sort. Well, last night or early this morning, I had a dream that I had to go to the public radio station for work stuff. I'm pretty sure it was even our local 1KUOW. But instead of me having to do any work, I was literally outside in the parking lot smoking a joint with a cool guy I had just met while Genevieve did all of the radio work inside. They told me, oh, we need you for one part later we'll call you when it's time to come in but in this dream Genevieve was doing all of the radio stuff that cannot be a coincidence right this is about Genevieve taking over our media

empire well if my mom is to be believed that's happening pretty soon because you know I was talking to my mom yesterday I got that text from her saying I want to listen to TBTL but I don't know how so I called her to walk her through it and we started talking about how much fun it was for us to get to be in their basement last week and I was, you know, telling her how popular she is and she goes, well, Genevieve was the real star. I was looking at those comments when Genevieve was on the show and they were saying Veeves, it's so great to have you on the show and I could detect a not insignificant amount of jealousy. So if my mother's jealousy spidey sense is to be believed, yes, Genevieve is the future

of this podcast. I kind of had a feeling and maybe i mean you combine those powers the the suzy and veeve's hour and you really got something going on there but yeah that was the first radio dream i think i've ever had where there's like we don't like it wasn't a stress dream i mean that's the nice thing and i'd met this very nice fella outside uh in the parking lot while we were just waiting around for more important people in our lives to take care of their radio duties is this the beginning

of the end is this is this the beginning of slowly walking into the river and feeling no pain only relief because like the point of a stress dream well i don't know what the point of a stress dream is but you know we all have them and they serve some probably some cognitive function or some your brain's doing something but now you're not even stressed in your stress dream because you've fully given over to Genevieve. It wasn't a stress dream. Right, exactly. Just a nice... Go to the light.

Just a nice little life where Genevieve continues to take care of me. It was pretty great.

It's like a coping mechanism for your brain. Your brain was like, we can no longer deal with this kind of anxiety during our sleep time. Let's just subcontract this out, this whole thing. We won't be stressed. We'll smoke a J and Genevieve will handle it.

By the way, I know that this is a very unpopular opinion that Dream Talk is interesting. And but here's the deal. And this has been you look like a dream catcher came to life. Yes, I'll allow it. This has been discussed so much on the show going back to I mean, I think I tried to actually you have this music here. I think that was part of us actually trying to codify into the show a regular dream segment called Dream Court. Right. Like that started. I remember when I was trying to come up with new segments in 2015 as we joined American Public Media. I'm like, hey, Luke, I have more time on my hands to dedicate to the show. How about we come up with some good ideas Like we talk about our dreams And I think we had listeners writing in with their dreams And it was very controversial And it remains controversial

We had this one too, by the way, don't forget

You look like a dream catcher came to life

That's the original

Yes, from the musical Dream catcher

Yeah, that's the original And then Dream Court, I think, came around It became the Dream Court segment Because I, being the somewhat jerk that I am Started saying, people are writing in these dreams and some of them seem a little bit like they elaborated on them a little bit. So we started judging whether or not people were being completely honest about the details of their dreams, and it became dream court, I believe. But having said all of that, the feedback we got was almost universal. Stop talking about your dreams. Nobody cares about dreams. Dream talk is the worst. Am I broken because I was listening to my podcast, not my podcast, but the one that I listened to and am addicted to, the Dan Lebitard Show yesterday, and they had, I don't know, one of their many many podcasts last week that i'm catching up on they spend probably i don't know maybe like a 30 second chunk or something talking about dreams it turns out a couple of them actually keep dream journals and they were um and because these people live life's uh lives of sport they were kind of sport related or famous sport people related uh this one guy amin was kind of a front office guy uh for an nba team i can't the maverick no i can't remember which one it doesn't matter but either way so his dream is like kind of his dreamscape is littered with famous people from like the executive baseball world or whatever they're all they're all talking about dreams they had i found it to be so fascinating i know you can't just like ramble on and on like i am now uh about like well this thing it was a car but really wasn't a car it was a boat like obviously that shit sucks but like there are there are ways

talk about your dreams and to incorporate them into the content of a show that i think is actually good content i i was some of the best stuff i'd heard on levitard we have officially incepted the

listeners which is we found a way to not even talk about our dreams but talk about someone else talking about their dreams on a different podcast and presenting it as our content yes and i i actually wasn't i wasn't minding it to be totally honest with you to tell you what a little bit of

a little what do you call it when the crew takes over the ship a little mutiny mutiny little secret mutiny I'm going to lay the groundwork for a little secret mutiny I'm not making any promises

are you the Christian Fletcher of this situation are you and I'm the is that mutiny on the bounty I believe although I was really I was loud wrong about something yesterday that just like I woke up in a cold sweat I said something was epi phenomenal and the crazy thing is it would appear that the difference between something being an epiphenomenon and epiphenomenal are the exact opposites which that should not be the case though don't make two words that sound that similar that apparently mean the opposite of each other i i will not stand for that because it made me sound dumb wait i don't even remember

you saying that word i if you'd asked me if i'd ever heard that word before my life i would have said no but you're telling me i heard it yesterday you heard me say it i believe incorrectly

yesterday about or use it incorrectly about the uh about the sea otters maybe about the otter because what happened was the otter that we were talking about who's been stealing the surfboards off of santa cruz that otter's mother was also a little bit too cozy with human beings and what i something that's an epiphenomenon are two things that are related like the thing that happened to 841's mom being too cozy with humans then is also happening with 841 my understanding of an epi phenomenon is like something that's going on kind of generationally like so your parents went through something and then you're living your life in a way that's affected by that but epi phenomenal if the internet uh is to be believed is the exact opposite it's when two things uh

appear to be related but are not i see yeah well i'm seeing that for epiphenomenon too an epiphenomenon is an increase uh well here here's back to my mutiny thing for a second because are you are you sure that it doesn't mean the opposite for both because and maybe i'm misunderstanding you but it says like epiphenomenon are two things that are happening at the same time but are not necessarily causal they're not related but can seem related that's the definition i'm getting for epiphenomenon right now okay well maybe i'm saying an epi well i'm

looking at an epiphenomenon is a secondary phenomenon that occurs alongside or in parallel to a primary phenomenon but is not do you not see it but not causally influenced well the word has two senses one that connotes known causation and one that connotes absence of causation there you wait a second I'm sorry stand down Mr. Fletcher I'm back in control of this vessel

people are dying from mutiny right now

people are dying from mutiny you're trying to tell me that the word epiphenomenon means either two things that are happening and are related or are not related that is not possible

for a word to do that much work well i you know i don't want to get into more kind of like nitpicky territory but i mean that's essentially if you're somebody who says language kind of evolves and we should stop being pedantic about it that's essentially what's happened with the word

literal the word literal care less what the internet is telling you about this word but the

literal but the word literal now means two different things that are complete opposite it it means figurative and it means literal and it's just like i used to complain about it or correct people or whatever but that's obnoxious and tiring and exhausting and also you can usually tell from context what somebody means when they say that but people often say literal when they mean figurative and you're just like well okay that word now means what it means it also means the opposite of what it means i mean that's that i mean that's welcome to the english language

also i mean i think of it as an overall good thing if we have so many people walking around dropping the term epiphenomenon. Sure, yeah. That it's now just, we know what people mean by it even if they're not using it correctly. That would be a great, that would mean we've really gotten the nose up on this idiocracy.

Yeah, right.

Like, you know. But anyway, I'm sorry. Mr. Fletcher, back to you taking over the ship.

Thank you, Mr. Bly. Bounty. If listeners, and I'm not saying that anything will become of this, but if there are dozens of us out there, dozens, and you want to drop me a direct email or voicemail telling me a little bit about some interesting...

dreams you've had keep it short know your audience i could you know i could see if we get to uh if we get enough good ones maybe we'll be hearing that sweet sweet dream catcher music again in the future and for everybody right now paid for it and right now people are like just hammering their keyboards how do i get my donation back how do i get my donation back and i understand it's

no givebacks no givebacks we have it all in a vault um and also uh it's uh fletcher christian Not Christian Fletcher. I apologize. Yeah, and I was looking up here. I apologize for folks that are upset about that. You know who I think there's a good chance, Andrew, right now, who I'm really, really letting down are two possibly new listeners who I met yesterday at the Portland Pickles game.

Oh, cool. You mean they were new listeners or they could be today because you met them and you told them about the podcast? They could be today because I was talking about the podcast.

I actually knew one of them from before, a fellow named Jules. The other guy was named Dave. And we were chatting at the game, and I was talking about TBTL. Jules was vaguely aware of it and said, how's the world of podcasting? And I said, well, actually, pretty good. We're coming off this week where we went independent, and I kind of explained the business model and also talked both of their ear off for a while about how we had been at APM, and then we thought it was better for the long-term health of the show to go independent. And I was trying to kind of hype the program up a little bit. And while we're talking, Jules has pulled TBTL up on his phone. And all there is on his phone is a huge picture of Gary Busey. And he goes, well, that's quite a photo. And it just came right as I was, you know, honestly, I'm feeling pretty proud of us these days. Everybody who heard Monday's show heard me saying that, like, this is about as confident or as optimistic as I felt about this program since I can remember. And right as I was kind of singing that song to them, just a huge picture of a deranged Gary Busey. And I was like, yeah, we talked about Gary Busey on the show today.

You know what's funny? As I chose that photo, which I think is hilarious, is there's nothing. It's like there are a million really bad photos of Gary Busey out there, I guess, starting and ending with his mugshot, which was quite famous for a while. But, you know, there's a million photos of him looking terrible. This is one of him looking like kind of somewhat normal at a podium. I think it may be at a podium, definitely speaking into a microphone. And the reason I thought it was funny was, I mean, he looks like Busey. He doesn't look super put together, but he's not, he's not, you know, like totally, I don't think totally deranged.

He looks not on like that weird cat from Bloom County.

Yes, exactly. And I like that the subtitle says, I'm Gary Busey. Yeah, I did like that. And it made me laugh so much. And there was something about me posting that yesterday. It's so funny that we're focused on this particular image because there are many times where I'm like, I don't know what to use for a show pic. Throw it up there. That image gave me a lot of joy Because I felt like we were returning to A well-worn, well-loved Loved kind of well Of content on the show And also that like, I actually kind of thought Like somebody who sees this Is kind of a good representation of the kind Of pop culture stuff we talk about on the show

No, no, it's not inaccurate Don't get me wrong It's just that it was epiphenomenal No, it's just that like I was I was it was a rare moment of me kind of hyping us of me gassing us up as a show and you and I both have the tendency towards self-deprecation and the deprecation of tbtl was the one time when I was kind of like yeah we're we're doing things are going very well and then just he holds his phone up and goes uh what's this yeah we talked about Gary Busey a lot today let me ask you this

what would have been like something that wouldn't have brought you shame like if it was a photo of something the representing something that we had talked about or like or should it just be and i'm making it sound like we're ever meeting here we're not changing what we're doing but just out of curiosity like what would have been something that maybe would have been top on the on the photo list for show pics that would have been like yeah that represents a good podcast i don't know like

like a graphic that's like threads v twitter and it's got you know like zuck and he's and it's like kind of a photo collage with Buff Zuckerberg and then Elon over in the other one. It just feels like we're really on the pulse of things. You know what I mean? And it was some sort of graphic

design that maybe we did ourselves, but not ironically the way I usually do it. Not dank, but actually some sort of a pictograph like you might see from the glory days of Slate or something like that. Totally. That just kind of said

this is a show where we really break down the kind of important things in the culture, but in a way that this isn't your grandfather's podcast uh you know that would have been professionalism though also

as if we have like a bit of an art department or something right exactly like as if we didn't talk

about gary bucey for over 20 as if we didn't go to gary bucey's cameo for the final 30 minutes of the program no again it's it's absolutely accurate uh to what we do but i just in that moment i was like I just felt like I felt like, you know, maybe I was overhyping the the the what was the cultural relevance of this program or something. Now, let me just tell you one other thing really quickly about that baseball game. That team, the Portland Pickles, is owned or co-owned or partially owned by none other than former Seattle Seahawks punter John Ryan.

Oh, right. Yeah, you mentioned that.

And there was a point at which I was chatting with folks at this get-together. It was a work thing for Becca. It was like an event getting together different people in the Portland community. And one of the most muscular humans I've ever seen in my life walked through the area and stopped. He knew somebody who was there, gave them a big hug, chatted, and then kept going. And I had to stop the conversation I was having with these other two guys, go to Becca and go, please go find that person who just hugged that very buff man and ask that person, was that Seahawks punter John Ryan? And she said, okay. And then she went over and came back and said, it absolutely was. Andrew, I am here to tell you, John Ryan is the most muscular man I have ever seen in my life. Now, this is not interesting to the listeners, but interesting to our text chain, because John Ryan is also a punter, was a punter in the NFL, who threw a very unlikely touchdown for the Seahawks, wherein he made one of the silliest faces I've ever seen while someone is doing something incredibly cool and athletic. And it's always been very humanizing to me. It looks like the face I would make if I was tasked with throwing a touchdown in an NFC championship game. And that's always what I've loved about John Ryan. He's a person of the people. He's just like me, except a little more athletic. And it turns out he has spent his retirement getting absolutely yoked. Becca said, that might have been the most muscular person I've ever seen in my life. And I was like, and of course, the last time we were at a Portland Pickles game, I showed her the picture of John Ryan's derp throw. I was like, this is the guy who owns the team. Get a load of this. He just looks like a regular dude. He's Canadian. And then when he showed up last night, he was on another level of physical musculature, as George Takei would say on the Howard Stern show.

well i have a question is the are you are you putting forth here this idea that he has gotten more buff or that when we see people who we think are like are like a punter we think of and no offense but we can sort of be like in comparison to all the other skill sets and body types on an nfl line a punter can be more diminutive like just you don't think of the punter as being the beef castle right and i was wondering if it was more like well when you see the world needs to see the madness that is my upper torso okay when you see something like that out of context a bunch around a bunch of norms like us you realize oh even the people that we might think are the least athletic that's not exactly what i mean but the least athletic looking appear like adonis's

amongst us mortals it is uh the case to me it appears to be the case that john ryan has spent his retirement lifting weights for up to nine hours a day like he is so so much buffer than he ever was i'm looking at pictures of him from his playing desk i mean he's always in exceptional shape and you make a good point even the the person on the nfl football team who seems like they might be the most like us normal people is impossibly athletic they were likely the starting quarterback on a state championship high school football team and at some point they sort of shifted over to you know place kicking or punting or what have you um so yes to some degree like john ryan has always i'm sure been a physical specimen but he is so insanely muscular right now like i i just and the worst part was i didn't i wasn't able to get a picture with him because he was well first of all i didn't recognize him andrew i was staring right into his face and i was like that person has some of the characteristics of the seahawk punter john ryan but there's no way that he is that buff there's no way he's that yoked and then it turned out it was him i missed my chance to get a picture and i would have loved so much to get a side-by-side me and him a selfie and send it to our text chain it would have been maybe maybe not since i forced uh uh cano to take a picture with me in chicago that he didn't want to take would there have been a better photo in uh In our friend text chain with some athlete who's fairly infamous in not even infamous, but just kind of noteworthy in in our our sort of sports lives.

Yet, you know, I, I took a creep. I took a creep shot that I sent you in the sports chain of Jay the Bone Buhner. Had some like pre all star game event I was at. Thanks to the largesse of our friend Katie. I mentioned to you the other day I went to a kind of.

a pregame party that had trucks and trucktober it was uh it was sponsored by root sports and miller light so it was at this bar called muse uh kind of in pioneer square we went in and it was just kind of like hey here's you walk in here's a free can of beer let us know when you need more beer it was just like it was just free beer in an advertisement for all kinds of miller light products and you had your uh jen mullers uh wandering around a root sports broadcaster your uh jay buehners and like the reason people like that are there is because they're there to work they are there to meet and greet they're there to shake hands right and get their photo taken and so i had just met this nice couple who were there um she worked for i believe another media conglomerate i can't remember exactly what and i just met her and uh we were standing at one of those small little um tables you know little cocktail table that you can stand up by and jay Buhner was kind of hanging out behind her and I said hey I know we just met but it's going to look like I'm taking a photo of you right now but I'm actually just taking a creep shot of Jay Buhner behind you just so you know that's what's happening and she said she looked at me like I mean she's very very nice but she looked at me like I was maybe a little bit touched and said you can just go take a photo of Jay Buhner like that's why he's here and I said I know that but I don't think that Like, I didn't want to send you the group chain, like, some proper photo of me and Jay Buehner. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, maybe that is funny and maybe I'm just shy, but I just thought it would be more funny.

I mean, I don't want to tell you you did it wrong, but, like, you standing next to Jay Buehner. Yeah, I guess that would have been funnier. That would have been, I mean, I did like you got us a shot. You got us a snap of the bone. But you next to Jay Buehner would have just been a visual.

I guess I should have just done it then because later on, you know, a few minutes later, my friend Pauly met me there and I was like, hey, man, the bone's behind you. And he's like, oh, great. And then like a little bit later, he's like, you know, I think I need a picture of me with the bone. I'm like, oh, OK, sure. Yeah, I mean, we can do that. And again, it helped to know that that is why he's there. I am not big on approaching people who are like famous in whatever context they're famous in. I just don't like approaching people in that manner. I certainly would have been uncomfortable doing it if we were just like out in public and he was having a time with his friends or family or something but I'm like literally Jay Buhner is here to get photos taken with fans so me and Pauly the two most betas I mean we're like in some sort of contest to be more beta and Pauly's like well do you want to ask him I'm like no you ask him but I'll take the photo so we saddle up but Pauly doesn't want to interrupt like Buhner's talking to somebody you should have seen the physicality of Paul Now you've met Paul a couple of times He He walks up to him sort of sideways And sort of every now and then When there's a pause in Buhner's conversation Sort of like meekly sort of tries to reach out To touch Buhner's elbow He just whispers in his ear He just kind of like He just keeps on But then as soon as he almost touches Buhner's elbow Then Buhner will say something else to the other guy And he'll retract his hand really quickly It was only like 20 seconds of awkwardness But I was in it and also really enjoying how awkward we were being but anyway fine it's like the woman in the bible who was trying to touch the hem of jesus's garment to be healed i really wish i just had video of paul now that's

a photo i want a picture i want a picture of paulie yes trying to tap jay buter on the shoulder

it was just like it was yeah and that's why paulie has not changed since high school so finally there's a pause and i think i just finally said hey jay um hey this is my friend i'm andrew this is my friend paulie can we get a picture of you and so i ended up taking what was his response he was like oh yeah great and he just like you know shook my hand hard he shook paulie's hand hard stood there for two seconds i took the photo he said thanks we shook hands again and we all i mean this what he was there to do you know like it was it was it was totally fine and so um so anyway so i have a if you want i have a photo of paul in the bone yeah i'll take it okay i'll send it your way but anyway that was my brush with uh with asking a celeb to take their photo recently

i think it's funny because i also do not generally like taking pictures with celebrities i would say I mean, that in the last five years, 99% of the time that I'm taking a photo with someone famous, it's to try to make you and the text chain laugh, whether it's Russell Wilson, whether it's, well, it would have been John Ryan if he would have come back through. I don't like taking pictures with famous people, but I think for a totally different reason than for you. I think you don't like bothering them. I don't like feeling like a beta to them.

It's a little, I mean, I don't know. if i would use the word beta in my con maybe that's sort of it but yeah i think i have a i think i have a weird relationship with celebrity as well like sort of like well i don't i don't know like i don't like rising raising people up sort of in a certain way that's oh i know i've been doing the show with you for a long time shut up i'm talking no anyway

um yeah i do i don't i don't know if it's like i because obviously i don't think that i you you work in a field or you do more events and stuff where you're kind of like well where am i on a level with this person i don't think i'm on a level of that person as far as like our career track or i could have been where you are or something like that but i do think there's something weird about celebrity generally speaking that i'm somewhat uncomfortable with so i don't like to like kind of i don't know like unless it's somebody really really really special i just don't think a celebrity needs another random person they're going to forget saying hey your

work means a lot to me well i had this exact situation on a monday night when i was at that drag fest thing and i was backstage or side stage and fred armison was there and i um you know i have met him before and interviewed him but there was no universe in which i thought he would remember that and i just didn't think that uh like you said i didn't think i was going to add anything to his life by like being like hey what's up man you know and remember me and like i just i just left him alone because i just he was you know just there to help emcee this drag fest thing and and also maybe i didn't want to see him again like i'm fanboying out even though of the people who have created other than maybe tim robinson at this point there's there's hardly anybody out there who's created more comedy that i have consumed over the last decade than fred armison and more comedy that I absolutely adore so in a way that's like Fred Armisen's got to be pretty high on my list of people who I admire greatly yeah like I really really admire Fred Armisen isn't just like some rando one-time SNL cast member was back there it's like a person who's created half of the audio on this show you know but even so I didn't want to I didn't want to I didn't want to I didn't want to bother him but I also didn't want to seem like I was you know being overly a fan And there was someone else back there who I was with who did not have that compunction and was like, let's get a picture. And then was like the person who a person who I think it must be extremely online, like as in if they're around any famous person, they're going to make sure that there's photo evidence of it. Because I think they're trying to build some kind of maybe slightly public persona themselves. And then this person started like live streaming from back there.

did they get permission that is a not that I noticed I feel like that's a legit intrusion you need to tell somebody I felt that way

they were like live streaming I don't even know what platform we were on they were on but they were like live streaming with Fred and I could just kind of see I don't know I mean I know him Andrew I interviewed him once we're close I could just see a sort of a level of slight discomfort on his face but he's such a sweet dude that he wasn't going to be like put that phone down he was just like kind of going along with it and then this person's like we're about to go out on stage and this person's pointing the camera at me and then we end up out on stage to do this little quick emceeing bit and they're the holding the phone out and they're live streaming the entire thing they're standing on stage pointing the phone at the audience at the other people on stage and then we leave and all i could think was i bet you less than four people saw that Like it's not even like Like it was live streaming into the void Which made me extra annoyed for some reason It's not like there's Thousands of people that are following along on this Journey it's like this is an act It struck me as an act of complete Desperation for being relevant

In the pop culture This is totally on me for missing an important detail here That I'm going to ask you to reiterate It was John Ryan Did he say Tell him that Ryan sent ya Yes, he did No, did you say that this person Who was doing the live streaming And, you know, whatever This is somebody who was more like Kind of an audience member Or somebody who knew somebody Or this is also somebody who was participating Somebody who was there to be on stage In some capacity Somebody who was there to be on stage

Who was not one of the drag performers I'm being a little coy Because I don't There's a very, very small chance Although for this to get back to this person Would involve this person listening to this episode which would involve them in any way grasping that I'm a human being named Luke Burbank with hopes and dreams and that was not a feeling I got backstage talking to this person this person was maybe the most self-obsessed person I've been around in a long time and like to the degree that it's like when they're looking at you they're looking through you because they're trying to figure out is there someone more famous I can get a selfie with back here so as to I don't know feather my online nest i don't know if you've if you've been around those kind of people this was this person was i i spent you know an hour in their company i don't think they could tell you one thing about my existence and that's okay but it's like i guess my point is i probably i can probably be more specific because there's a 0.0 chance that this person would ever find tbtl listen 35 minutes in and have their feelings hurt and if

Thank you.

they did it would be kind of a wake-up call honestly because it was the level of narcissism which I think that word is overused and thrown around but just the amount of the amount that this person was the main character in their own thing until they saw Fred Armisen who then was the more main character but like it was really wild it was it was something to behold when I got out of there I immediately called Becca and just downloaded for like 20 minutes as I walked through the night in portland of mostly my experience with the person who'd been live streaming can't believe roxane gay acted that way that is i know i know wow interesting pull let's get on that radar i don't know let's famously let's try two white straight men let's try to pick a fight with roxane

yeah i just sort of felt like is roxane gay just like i mean i've i booked her once for a show i don't i just think of her as like a very very like the opposite of narcissism i don't know why that name popped in my head maybe i saw it yesterday um i thought you were gonna say roxane roberts from wait wait i was gonna say absolutely i mean that checks out 100 yeah right right yeah um i am interested and don't i do i am not asking for any more information about this person now because i would actually like to respect what you're trying to do i'll give you i'll give you all the info uh

off yeah and by the way if you'd like to donate a thousand dollars a month you can be in on that

conversation listeners oh my god is there some level like a uh the t level or the what would you call it um not not my tea levels by the way we're talking about like spilling the tea but anyway yeah i'm interested to know if this is somebody that i would have even heard of but

no you would not okay you would not have uh you wouldn't know this person nor did i know this okay it was one of those things where it was made known to me that i'd be collabing with this person like a day before in other words it seemed kind of last minute and i wrote a whole story in my head about this person, which I think is actually belied by the real facts, because my theory was this person saw that there was a going on in Portland and that, you know, if you were in Portland and you were kind of even a minor celebrity, you might be invited to be part of this thing. And they felt left out and they had like made a call and they had sort of wedged their way into the situation. But then Becca mentioned that this person's name was actually on one of the posters so somewhere so it couldn't have been what i thought it was which was a last minute edition by this person kind of like calling in some favors or something was the name slightly

bigger than yours i i never saw the name but i'm assuming yes i'm assuming probably we already established there were various versions of the of the poster

hello and welcome to top story this story uh popped onto my radar earlier this week and i actually think it's it's an interesting business story and also kind of to some degree an environmental story a health story uh it's part of printer week in the washington post andrew which i know all the kids are lining up to read like i'm not kidding if you go to this article the the headline is people are paying to break printers with sledgehammers in smash rooms but then above it it just says printer week they had seven store maybe i don't know five is it a business week five printer related stories i'm gonna click on printer week yeah what do you got uh let's see uh boy there doesn't seem to be any other stories about printer week i shit you know andrew i clicked on printer week and then it just takes me to a different page and none of the stories how to avoid falling for misinformation fake ai images on social media five ways to love tech without killing the planet three things everyone's getting wrong about ai i'm seeing absolutely no other stories about printers printer week's a bust man printer week is a friggin lie anyway uh this is a story by tatum hunter and i think it is actually quite interesting because it turns out those rage rooms are not just a passing fad. I didn't think that was a real kind of durable business, but they apparently are, those rooms where you can go get a sledgehammer and smash up a bunch of stuff. But the number one thing that people request when going to a rage room are destroying printers pretty much because of that one scene in office space. But it turns out printers are full of all kinds of hazardous chemicals and dusts and components and things that are released when you smash it up so that it's pretty dangerous to human health and a pretty bad idea to do it. And so there are a lot of places where it's actually illegal to destroy consumer electronics of that kind. Peter Wolfe, who owns the Los Angeles-based Smash Room Rage Ground, had to stop offering printers entirely after his local government stopped businesses like his from smashing them. Wolfe pivoted and started giving customers more plates and furniture. But in the beginning, it was tough to bring in customers without promising them... technology to smash he said quote all these rage rooms are individual small businesses so it's really up to each one to find a solution that works for them in terms of getting inventory that's not electronics then this guy noted that other places were still other rage rooms in LA were still letting people smash printers so he reported them to the city and the city is now investigating the rage rooms that are letting people smash printers because it's an unfair

business advantage i have so much to say about that narking or at least i i want to talk about that but before we get there i just want to say that there seems to be a mistake on the washington post website where the printer week link just is no longer going to the printer week page however if you just do a google news search on printer week are you getting a 303 fax error no it's just taking me to the main pc load letter that's a printer error that's just a joke about i got it I actually needed to cough there, so I just used my mute button, and it kind of left you hanging. But if you're curious about some of the other things that happened.

I thought it had been so long since you heard PC load letter that you'd forgotten. That's the most obvious printer joke.

Printing is still needed for some workers to do their jobs. That was posted two days ago. Are you printing securely? Some printer companies can read your documents three days ago in raid rooms. You're telling me printer week is real. That's right, and it's wreaking printer havoc. we tested some home printers here's what we loved and hated I was giving Shep his due there how to save money on printer ink with remanufactured cartridges and more how to print without using a printer well there you go that's anti printer week stuff right there and printer hacks to save you money and hassle so they messed up their landing page for printer week because the headline from six days ago was printer week is upon us Well, obviously I was interested in that, but it just takes me to the main Washington Post page. It collates, staples pages, no more stapling by hand.

Yeah, Santa should have wrapped it.

Okay, let's get back to this narking thing.

Okay, but let me just say one quick thing about Printer Week. Yeah. I'm so here for this. Like, everything you just listed is an article I would read. Because I don't know if there's anybody who doesn't work at a Kinko's who prints more things than me. because I have this hang-up where I worry if I have it digitally, I'm not going to be able to find it. It'll be on the wrong screen. So I print everything all the time. All of those printer-related stories are very germane to my daily experience.

I love that we still call it Kinko's. When do you think there was the last time there was a Kinko's? I'm actually trying to look that up right now. What are they calling now? Now it's just like, I think it just got sucked into FedEx. Yeah, now it's just like you. Yeah, whatever. but um i was gonna say so uh back to the smash room thing and so you're a you're you're a business owner and you uh run a a one of these smash rooms and then they we call today's show smash room best no okay hold on i'm ready to do um okay so you let me set this up generally speaking i am not somebody who i think would celebrate or champion a narc or narc like behavior right it seems somewhat petty however i was wondering if in this case it's justified because you're somebody who runs a business and then your business happens to be one of these smash rooms and i think this person literally got dinged themselves right somebody came and said you can't be smashing these electronics it's against the echo the laws that are supposed to you know protect us from harming the environment right and so you're like okay okay okay that's tough i'll go buy some more plates from goodwill um and i'll work around that but then if your direct competition in town is is just like smashing all kinds of electronics and people are like well of course if we're going to go to one of these places i want to go to the place where i can smash the printer and again whether or not the market forces should be pushing in this direction is another question but they the thing is they are like I sort of feel like this business owner is justified in saying like if I'm running this literally to pay my bills I need to be able to start doing that and I can't compete if I have to follow rules that the person across the street doesn't have to follow and so kind of like tattling in this case I think is somewhat justified what do you think Luke I totally agree

I complete for all the reasons you just laid out like because I'm just imagining this the the guy who's obeying the rules, how many times a day he has to let somebody, he has to disappoint someone who says, hey, can we come in and smash a print? I also feel like the kind of person who would go to a rage room is also the kind of person who probably watched Office Space and probably wants to kick a printer to the soundtrack of Ghetto Boys. Whichever song that is that they use. Is it Damn It Feels Good to Be a Gangster? No, I think that's the one in the beginning when he's driving in the car, like, listening to his music loud. But then he, like, does he pull up to a car of black people or something? And he gets embarrassed. I think somebody, yeah, yeah.

But I'm just imagining the guy who's obeying the rules just constantly being like, yeah, no, sorry. Yeah, we have a papier-mâché printer. Yeah. Hello? Yes. Hello? It has candy in it. Like, it's just, like, and I'll even be honest with you. smashing up a printer with a sledgehammer to me sounds way more fun than just smashing up like some i don't know piece of furniture or whatever so yeah if he's obeying the rules and it's costing him business and somebody else is just sort of flaunting the rules then i think it's totally

reasonable for him to drop a dime on them yeah now you and i i think are not the type of people who would like to go to one of these smash room businesses anyway um although it's strange because i do and i i do think i appreciate the enjoyment of smashing something i mean when i was a kid i loved taking things apart like my parents would give me all the old electronics that didn't work anymore and i would just take it down to like my dad's work table and i would just use all of his tools to take it down to its smallest components i would take stuff in the backyard i would smash it like smashing things is fun there's the idea of like this particular model though of like going in with a group of friends or or even worse like colleagues as some sort of a team building bonding thing like that sort of sounds like that just sounds like i could not loosen up and have a good time there you know i have a friend who i went to high school with i haven't really well i guess we've whatever chatted on social media i guess in in the year since but we are not very close but years and years ago i think he lives somewhere out in ohio still and uh he set up like some sort of little shed and it looked like he had a party where it was like kind of a smashing party where they had some beers, and it was kind of done responsibly, but it wasn't on Capitol Hill or in Seattle. You know what I mean? It seemed a little bit more organic. They did have goggles or whatever, but maybe if I was at a party, or certainly if it was just me and a couple of buddies, and we were having a couple of beers in somebody's backyard, and somebody said, hey, you know, I got that old organ. That old Casio, should we destroy it or something? Like, I'm not saying that that wouldn't be fun, but there's something so like, OK, come in here, sign these permission slips. Here are your goggles. Now we'll take you to the back room. Now, what what what scene do you want to recreate from office space that feels like that would not be for me?

Yeah, I think that the the all of the planning and the formality that you would need to go through before you could do the thing. That's the opposite of formality. That's just a pure like your inner whatever, just howling maniacally. Everything about the Smashing is primal, and everything about signing the releases is non-primal. What if you screamed maniacally while you're signing the release? You didn't even need to go in the Smashing room. You're like, that actually kind of got it. That worked. It's out of my system. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen this photo that's bopping around threads, Andrew. I'm trying to make that a thing. I'm really enjoying threads, by the way. And my personal opinion is that it is actually here to stay. Although I read an interesting kind of review in the New York Times. They had two of their tech writers kind of analyzing if they think that Threads is actually going to survive long term. And one of them thought it wasn't for some reason. Do you know the reason why they have the theory? I think their theory was that one of the things is that what people like about Twitter is that it's great for breaking news is because of how the algorithm presents the information to you. So you log into Twitter, and putting all the Elon Musk stuff aside, it was sort of complicated, but basically some of the utility of Twitter is not matched in threads. It's a very different thing, and it's mostly talking to your friends because it automatically adds all your contacts on Instagram. Oh, and also, the thing about threads they were saying, which is a good point, is Threads right now has a ton of people on it who just got on there because they were on Instagram. They're not Twitter people. You know what I mean? It's sort of like how I was on Instagram. In other words, I was a Twitter person trying to learn how to be on Instagram and what you have with Threads, because it's so woven into, so to speak, the world of Instagram and Facebook, because it's all from Meta, that you have now a bunch of people who are on basically on Twitter, aka Threads, but that's not really their place. They don't really know how it works. They're not really into it they're not into text you know based conversations so you have basically a bunch of noobs on threads right now who just kind of found themselves there because they were already on

instagram which is kind of true actually yeah um i don't know i don't want to totally derail where you're going with this but yeah my experience with threads has been kind of similar like for some reason i just have not really gotten into it and i think it comes back i was a little bit more like i kind of made more of a social argument for it uh for what We'll be right back. what I'm about to say when we talked about this last week when it was brand new, but just even just like on a personal level, like I really hate that it's auto populated with so much stuff. Like you mentioned that it automatically comes with all of your Instagram contacts. Well, it can if when you're signing up for it, you just hit the big black button that says import all contacts. I did not do that whenever when I sign up for something like Twitter or, or social media, when it's brand new, one of my favorite aspects of it is okay. I'm starting with a clean slate. Like, and then over the years you start, you're like, you start following randos here, randos there. Then after a while, you're kind of like, why am I following all these people? And there's something about the clean slate of like, okay, I'm going to curate this again. And I do not like that. Like at first I was only following five people. Were you one of them, Luke? You bet your ass you were. You broadcast Barry, a couple of other people that I just knew would bring good content. But that didn't matter because as soon as, you know, as soon as I saw the three or four things that those people posted, it was just this noise of everything else that the app thinks I want to see. And it's clearly trying to figure it out. So it's like throwing a bunch of parody onion headlines at me along with serious stuff, along with like weird humor. And, hey, listen, I like weird humor. Nobody would say I like weird humor if they weren't a real weirdo like me, Luke. I don't know why. Interesting. It's just such a strange thing to say, just like, hey, I like weird humor. Sounds like the most boring person in the world would say that. But I don't know. I can't seem to escape the constant glut of shit that I did not sign up for. And I just want to clear it out and slowly add contacts again. And I kind of don't like my inability to do that. That's the big thing that is keeping me from kind of going to it. And the thing that I think you mentioned you read, which is I turn to Twitter when I need to figure out if something is going on in the world, sometimes just technology. When Squarespace went down the other week, we didn't talk about on the show, but it did like right as we were making the transition to our new Squarespace powered Web site. I couldn't post a show for about 12 hours or eight hours or something because the back end of Squarespace had gone down. i had to go to twitter and say squarespace anybody else having this issue right squarespace down or whatever and then i finally was able to see oh other people are complaining about this too and i don't know if threads is there yet to be like hey i think something is going on in the world can i turn to the social media site to see if it actually is true yeah it definitely isn't

that place yet and i don't know if it ever will be because of some decisions they've made about it not being like a new a breaking news kind of place and also not being a kind of place where uh you know there's as much trolling and as much arguing as much kind of you know that sort of discourse like they're really leaning into it being like the friendly place to to post tweets or whatever so i i think that will keep some people out i what i find myself doing though is i find myself scrolling on it now mindlessly which is the ultimate sign of respect from me for an app like i don't have to like even with instagram uh which somebody somebody reached out to me when i was getting super into threads some probably a listener and said so uh you've probably posted your last instagram post haven't you because if you remember before i quit twitter i probably had like two posts on instagram and then when there was no threads i was using instagram much more frequently and now threads is definitely more my speed and i find myself i find myself scrolling through it the way that i used to scroll through twitter and it's not exactly the same and there are some things about it that are certainly not as i mean it hurts that i went from having uh not a like a lot of followers but you know a decent number of followers on twitter to like i've got a pretty humble number of followers on thread so if i post something if i get like two or three likes i'm like okay that one worked but that's okay that's just part of the i gotta like joelle and beat i gotta trust the hashtag process andrew of um of rebuilding my my social media influence uh speaking of things that were bopping around threads this uh burger king uh a sandwich hamburger except doesn't have any meat on it thing that is uh apparently available in thailand they're calling it the real cheeseburger it is just a typical hamburger bun like you'd get at burger king but with 20 slices of american cheese and it is apparently available in thailand it costs about ten dollars it's gone viral on social media uh burger king said uh this is no joke this is for real um and uh people are you know talking about how gross this is i don't think you would eat this andrew because i know you have a complicated relationship with cheese some melty cheese you'll eat like on pizza some other melty cheese you're not into this i'm not trying to be like liking too much cheese on a sandwich is not a personality type but i would absolutely eat this i love american cheese i often order extra american cheese on And if I get a veggie burger or when we were at Red Robin recently, I was like, extra cheese, please. I would absolutely eat this thing that I think was created to gross people out. But I'm like, no, I will. I will have this, please.

Yeah. I mean, and this is the type of thing that is just created just to go viral. Right. It's just kind of a stunty kind of thing. And they'll do it for a little bit and then we'll talk about it. But, yeah, I don't have a lot to contribute because, yeah, I wouldn't eat this kind of cheese. I've never had one of those square orange pieces of cheese melted or otherwise. It's not really not even.

Even in your childhood, like your mom didn't make you a bologna sandwich with that stuff on it? No, nope, nope. See, I was so jealous. We did not have Kraft Singles in our household. This might explain a lot of my problems. We just had like a giant block of cheddar cheese that we were, as a family, slowly gnawing through over the week like rats. And I was so jealous of kids who had Wonder Bread in their lunch and also American cheese to the point where in the summertime I would go over to my friend Andy Engstrom's house when I was probably, like, fifth grade. And he was a total latchkey kid. So we would watch WWF wrestling, and I would just sit there. I would eat probably 20 pieces of craft, 20 craft singles that they just had, you know, in the drawer. I don't even think they were refrigerating it. I just thought it was such a treat. And that has stayed with me throughout my life. I still think of a craft single as a real treat. That's shelf stable? I don't know. Well, you're alive.

There's a right way to rock get a wrong way to roll you can just listen to your soul just remember that life is number one you can be having so much fun just remember that life is much fun You can be nothing but me.

hey luke our buddy jerry first of all this is the blurs day segment everybody welcome to the blurs day segment if you have a blurs day wish you'd like to share email me andrew at tbtl.net and put blurs day in the subject line uh we got a note from listener jeremy now this is listener jeremy who is the craftsman who made the tbtl ceramic mug a couple yes telethons ago which uh i've been actually getting emails from listeners saying are the more of those available uh i'm not actually not sure about that we can put you in touch with uh with jerbear i'm calling him jerbear um but jeremy a couple of things on this before we get into his blurs day wish i wanted to mention that uh jeremy we had mentioned on the show that he was having brain surgery somewhat recently uh recovering really well i got a couple of updates from jeremy and it sounds like things went really really well with that so that is great however luke jeremy is in vermont have you heard about anything going on in vermont lately i sure have i sure like biblical level floods and jeremy has um a lot of listeners have been sending me photos and images of jeremy literally like rowing a boat with his partner through streets of um where he lives and also like and rescuing a dog i think jeremy was actually also featured or at least a photo of him was featured in a local news piece about it. But it sounds like, and I haven't been following the ins and outs of this too much, but if you're somebody who's on the Facebook page, the Sten's Facebook page, I believe there is a Kickstarter up to help Jeremy and other folks who are struggling with this just unprecedented weather event up there. It sounds really scary. Having said all of that, Jeremy reached out to me a couple of weeks ago to say happy blursday to fellow vermont 10 david of the smittens who's oh yes tbtl's new music correspondent and my tbtl daddy says jeremy happy birthday broski let's eat some vegan wings soon so hopefully things will calm down enough for you guys to enjoy some vegan wings in vermont and i was in touch with david yesterday too hope david and his family are doing okay uh as everybody is

dealing with this just absolute craziness in vermont yeah thinking of all of y'all it's like you know i'm not saying anything particularly interesting here but it's like you've got you know uh you've got broiling you know temperatures in parts of the country you've got biblical floods in other parts of the country it seems like things are going pretty well in the climate

department luke i don't watch like network evening news i'll bet you i have not seen a network evening news broadcast not talking about cable not talking about watching chris's show or something when i used to have cable but like an actual just nbc nightly news with lester because my parents say let's watch lester the other day genevieve and i were flipping through like kind of these weird streaming channels that are available on roku and i think it might have been it might have been And maybe we're dipping our toes into Tubi. I don't think so.

No, but there was the the network news from NBC was available for us. We put it on. We watched three or four stories in a row. It was like a Frank Miller comic book that was too heavy handed about climate change. And I don't mean this wasn't MSNBC broadcasting. This wasn't them trying to make a point. This wasn't the producers or at least apparently it wasn't like them trying to wrap all these stories up together to make a statement about climate change. It was just like the beginning of a pre-apocalyptic movie, or as in the pre-apocalypse part. It was the temperatures across just huge swaths of the country just broiling, like you just said. Then it goes to Vermont, where people are rowing to their front doors in boats. Then it went to Southern California, I think just outside of Los Angeles, where houses are slowly sliding down hills in a slow-speed crash. And I'm blanking on what the fourth one was.

It's probably Florida where state farm insurance has said we will no longer insure homes. Oh, I didn't see that one.

But yeah, yeah, I had heard that. But I had heard that stuff like that was happening in Florida with farmers, except not in Florida. Oh, my gosh. So anyway, yeah, it was it really was like we looked at you like if this was a movie, this would be so heavy handed.

So, right, exactly. Like, it's just the the the plagues that are upon this country feel almost like something out of a book or a movie.

And yet it's real life. Yeah. Anyway, in all seriousness, happy Blur's Day to our dear friend David of the Smittins, but also hope you and Missy and Jeremy and everybody who is out there in Vermont are doing OK. And Susan says, hey there, we this is from Susan and Ruby would like to wish a very happy Blur's Day week to 10 extraordinaire and newlywed Jesse. I am assuming this is Jesse in Cincinnati. You are such a thoughtful and lovely human and so deserving of joy, celebrating you and wishing you endless love and delight from Susan and Ruby. Happy Blur's Day and congratulations to Jesse. Absolutely. Nikki in Worcester. Now, this is not spelled Worchester, Luke, so that makes me think it is Worcester, Ohio. Nikki in Worcester, who's been, I know I said Worcester. I think we say Worcester, where I'm from. Nicky's been a long time listener on the show. Says, happy birthday to my friend and fellow 10, Caitlin, in Idaho. This year, we'll be celebrating our 40th birthdays together. Oh, happy Blur's Day to both of you in Philly with our families and some old friends. As this message is read, we'll likely be on our way to a celebratory dinner. Here's to the next 40 Blur's Days to come. Indeed. Keep an eye out for my Aunt Kathy. Absolutely. Yin's going to have a good time. Happy Blur's Day, Caitlin. gotta wait for it Jennifer says happy birthday to my grand bunny Opal Marie that's my oldest fives five so my grand bunny Opal Marie that's a cute name it definitely is she's in town to celebrate my actual mom and ten Judy their special birthday on Friday P.S. I'm Judy's TBTL daddy as she casually told me she's been listening since the turn of this year it only took about 13 years, but now she's on board. Better late than never. Absolutely. So much to celebrate. Happy Blur's Day. Welcome aboard. Annie in Seattle says, I want a happy Blur's Day to Megan in Edmonds. While I had completely forgotten about you sicking the army recruiters on me in high school, I'm glad we are still in touch after all these years and that we're both tens. I don't know if you remember, Luke, but I believe Megan sent in a Blur's Day wish to Annie a while back saying I apologize for telling the army recruiters in high school that you'd be a good fit for the service that's like the plot of a Pauly Shore

movie it really is is that what happens in In the Army oh is it actually I don't know everything is based on the cover where he looks like he doesn't really belong in the army sure sure sure

sure and what's the one with Bill Stripes too right wasn't that kind of the plot of stripes like he wasn't ready for the military either were you a stripes person i haven't seen it i've again i've seen the cover yeah and i studied it anyway annie in seattle says again in wishing megan and edmunds a happy blursday since the husky helmet car is back at football games you need to make getting a ride on it your number one priority for 2023 red robin and husky helmet car forever. I love that little car. I'll say, what's up, dog? I've been very close to that car. I've touched it, but I've never gotten a ride in it.

I've never been in that either, and I'm a graduate. And you know what we're talking about, right? Well, it's a helmet. Yeah, it's a big, giant helmet car. Sometimes I'd see Sun Dodger near. I don't know what they call the Husky Mascot anymore. It's got a new name, but when I was...

there it was the the husk the actual dog that portrayed the university of washington husky was named sun dodger and uh it would often be sun dodger would often be near that big

w helmet i'm trying to figure out what because the the the actual husky the dog itself is named dubs i know that right they always have an actual dog yeah and i back in the olden days it was named

sun it was like sun dodger like one through seven and then then at some point switched over to being

dubs. Oh, so that is the dog. You're not talking about the mascot. No, I'm talking about the actual alive animal that is a husky. Gotcha. And I see the mascot is Harry the husky. You probably knew that. I didn't know that and I don't like it. I don't think that you would like this.

I'm not a fan. Yeah, of the name or of the mascot. We kind of obviously want to keep doing the blurses and not take too long on today's show because I've got to jump in the car and zoom up to Port Townsend, Washington, where I'll be tonight. But I did have A slightly weird run, not run-in, but the pickle mascot, Dylan the Pickle. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I sort of talked to the, I high-fived the pickle, and then the pickle kind of stood there because the pickle was observing the mascot code, which is never break character and never talk through the mask, through the helmet. But then we were just standing there, and then I just kind of was ready for that to be over. I realized I don't know if I'm a big mascot guy.

Well, what do you mean? So you see the mascot, you high-five it. Are you in your seat, or are you walking by?

No, no, we're standing around out in sort of right field on the other side of the fence, chatting with some folks. Again, we're at this work event for Becca, and Dylan the Pickle walks by. So there's like three or four of us standing around chatting, and Dylan kind of sort of joins the conversation, but silently. Kind of stands there with us, kind of like, hey, it's me, Dylan the Pickle. And we kind of all give it a little high five and say, hey, what up, man? And then Dylan just kind of keeps standing there, and then eventually just kind of saunters off. That's kind of funny.

I kind of think that's funny. But you were done with it.

We know about your long-running, let's just say, interest in mascots.

If you hear Rosie Red, or if you let Rosie Red know that I have a wandering eye. I messed up that joke. Anyway, I see. So you were just like, okay, you're walking by. High five. But then you were like, okay, keep walking.

Well, Dylan kind of, I felt like, joined the conversation, but silently. In other words, was kind of milling about with us. We were all talking about, you know, how cool this podcast is before the Gary Busey news dropped. Sure. And then Dylan was just kind of standing there. But then because Dylan's not allowed to talk, Dylan was just standing there kind of silently. And it was after a while, I was like, well, this is getting a bit awkward.

Well, maybe Dylan's listening right now after that conversation. So welcome. I welcome my new Dylan. Happy Blur's Day to Dylan. And finally, Gregory says it would please me greatly if you would give special recognition on the Blur's Day segment of TBTL to my wife, Tiffany, for her 50th birthday. While I have been, quote-unquote, forced to listen to some TBTL episodes, it's more usual that I receive enthusiastic recaps in the evening after Tiffany returns home from her work as the pastor of Peninsula Baptist Church in Gig Harbor, Washington. Nice. Good work. Congratulations. And I don't know why I say congratulations. Congratulations on getting that gig probably many, many years ago, Tiffany. But more importantly, happy Blur's Day from Gregory and your pals at TBTL. Cute.

all right let's get you all right my boy thank you uh maybe i'll see some i don't know if i'll see any tens up in port townsend tonight but maybe we'll be at the uh finn river cidery big uh fundraiser for the jefferson county land trust so um and uh and then i think i'll be i think i'm coming back not all the way home but i'll be up in washington state tomorrow for this show andrew so we'll join you from whatever is happening there at the oh i thought you meant

you were telling me that you were going to be here in the studio you want to do it here in the

studio with me i kind of feel better when we're in different i'll air it out different states um no i'll probably be down at the other place because i've got a there's brush hogging to be done oh yeah you gotta do that yes we've got to get rid of that tansy out for the for the get rid of that noxious ragweed which is uh poisonous to livestock how much livestock you think lives in my yard andrew zero we got to get on top of that tansy so that's what we're doing tomorrow Anyway, thanks for listening, everyone. We will be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Thursday. Again, hope you stay safe and okay wherever you are, whatever is happening in your particular part of the country. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

I love pickles. It's my heritage. I love a pickle.

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