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can I get a pound and a half of that please TBTL I beg your pardon I'll try that again a man has can we just go back to the very start of that can you say apple can you say banana You want a toe? I can get you a toe. Believe me. There are ways, dude. You don't want to know about it. Believe me. Yeah, but Walter. Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon with nail polish.

It's only a game. Why do you have to be mad? Is this how you conduct yourself in a democracy?

Well, all right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of TBT All, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's an audiophile's nightmare. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I just want you to be normal, and clearly you're not. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in Portland, Oregon, where it's a gray day. It was warm over the weekend, but things were calming down a little bit, which is sort of nice, I guess. It's been an active morning around here. It was literally a major disaster. I woke up to find that Bubbles, the cat, had decided to eat her food way too fast and then throw it up all over the carpet.

Kittens! Inspired by kittens!

So that was a delight. And then I decided to make some coffee. I was going to, you know, steal myself for this job of cleaning up the carpet with some strongly brewed broadcast coffee from our friends over there at Broadcast. And I realized that my janky Cuisinart coffee maker that I've had for, I don't know, three or four years now.

This song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world.

I decided instead of putting the coffee into the coffee pot, the glass coffee pot, it was distributing the coffee around the pot and onto the countertop, Therefore, brewing, I don't know, 10 cups of coffee right onto the counter there. So the good news is I survived all that and I am here ready to help bring Episode 3989 in a collector's series to life.

Let the fun begin.

Speaking of life forms, the life forms that live in the seas, we have a couple of stories about what's going on out there in the ocean. Seared salmon with preserved lemon and quinoa. Including an update on that Sea Otter 841 off of Santa Cruz that's been commandeering surfboards. They've been out trying to catch it. We'll tell you how that's going. Also, some competitive sport fishermen. For a show where neither of the hosts really fish ever, we seem to cover a lot of fishing stories on this program, including, of course, the guys in Ohio who tried to stuff some fish with a bunch of rocks to win. This one involves some folks fishing off of the sort of southern coast of the U.S. who were caught a, like, 600-pound fish and thought they had won three and a half million dollars.

That's a tuna, bro!

Until the judges noted something about the fish, which we'll talk about. Plus, we've got emails and of emails today. And we've got this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, their splendor, and all that intricate rigging. Oh, he's hilarious, dog. Who is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I'm sorry if it sounded like I wasn't listening very closely during your introduction there. I was a little distracted. With? Did it sound like that? Could you tell I wasn't paying that much attention? I feel bad.

I have no idea the amount of attention you're paying, because I'm just in a flow state at that point.

I mean, how could you possibly know? We can't see each other. I'm in a different state.

Dude, at this point, though. Yeah, that is true. If there is, if there are two people who could read each other's emotional vibe without, I mean, if there is telepathy, we've probably got it at this point.

Sure, you know, that is a good point. It seemed like the music was slightly louder than usual. I wonder if Andrew was distracted.

Is Andrew mad at me?

Is Andrew mad at me? Is Andy mad? That's actually a good title for the show, is Andrew mad at me? I don't think so because I think it'll scare people. They don't like it when daddy and daddy fight.

I was I'm going to talk about something here that I don't want to lay any groundwork with issues with possible advertisers in the future. Because, as you know, right now, Luke, we are not carrying any ads for the show because we have been very, very supported by our listeners during our last TV telethon. And we're in good shape right now. But I do like the idea of at some point, you know, if we need to supplement the show, we might need to, you know, pair up with a brand that we really like and trust. And I will say, the brand that I'm about to talk about right now is a brand that you have heard me, Luke, and listeners, advertise on this show. And it is legitimately one of my favorite services.

Okay.

Talking about Grove. Talking about Grove.com. This is the company where you can order. I mostly order cleaning supplies from them. They have all kinds of, like, you know, health and beauty stuff. I love Grove. I learned about them when they started advertising on the show. The one thing that made me leery about them at first, when I first heard about them, was it sounded like it was one of those things where the box, the subscription was going to come monthly, whether or not I ordered it. You know what I mean? I'm a little bit old when it comes to my online shopping. I do online shopping the way our grandparents went to Kmart. You know, I pick up a little bit of this, I pick up a little bit of that, I fill up my cart, and then I check out. I don't like putting myself up for any kind of recurring box that is just going to come in the mail. You know what I'm talking about? And do you agree?

Yeah. And if I can do something to further alienate any future advertisers, Andrew? Yeah, good. We're doing great. Everything is a CSA now.

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean by that?

Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm sure our listeners know the CSA model is like you sign up, you have, you know, vegetables shipped to you. And it's sort of based on what is in season and what the farm may have extras of, et cetera. But so many things now are a CSA model, which is to say, we'll send you an outfit every month, Stitch Fix. And by the way, I'm wearing a Stitch Fix shirt right now. We did ads for them. We don't do ads anymore, but I did like the service. But there's a lot of business approaches now where they'll send you something every month. and ideally it'll be stuff that is that's great and you'll like it but a lot of times i think it comes from a way of i don't want to say sending you the stuff that no one else wants but just sending you stuff that for whatever reason is already in existence whether it's you know we've done very and again people have had a great time with some of these products what was those what were those boxes of like stuff that we were doing ads for for a while that would send you just kind of a collection of if you were really into like comic-con stuff and so-called nerd culture yeah

i think we only did that that a little bit and then we did a father's day thing for something that sounded like a very unbranded for me it was like man dad did they make you do the read it wasn't man dad i actually think it was one of the i think it was literally the only time it was like man box it was something so ridiculously gendered that i do not go for but it was like a one-time father's day read and i think it was the only time in our history that you said no i'm not going to do that and i said seems reasonable to me despite the name of the company and so we did a one-time ad for it and i got a little in the box that i chose was like the geek box that came with a little i think they call them raspberry computer thing the mini computer that you build out and code yeah having said all of that i want to jump to the defense of stitch fix and grow i'm not here for a second this no no no no i'm not trying to be I just want to know I want to I want to make something clear, though, that you said you implied that Stitch Fix will send a box every month or on some sort of regular schedule. And that's how I thought Grove was, too. But actually, the reason why I am totally into those two companies is, yes, you can sign up for something like that, but you don't have to. In fact, I am currently still and I'm not doing ads for them, but I just because I kind of did a bunch of passionate ads. My ads, Luke, are passionate. um you're a passionate advertiser like all us Greeks but um I uh I really like those services and you could easily very easily and this is where I'm going you could easily opt out of any kind of regular recurring thing because that's kind of my old man line there like I've I talked to some younger people they're like I don't know I like it don't worry about it returns are easy I'm like yeah I know but I just don't I still feel like I don't know I'm gonna maybe it's like some sort of a hangover from um signing up for some cd service in the 90s well that's you know what warnings that parents would give us about that that is i think you've really hit upon

something which is generationally i think a whole a whole i saw the best minds of our generation andrew sent to the collection agency yes by bmg and columbia house that's my take on howl if anybody's wondering but like you know what i mean i think that for people my age and your age there was a period of time where returning stuff wasn't easy and And we would get, I would get sort of tricked, seduced into signing up for those CD companies and then never being able to return the selection of the month and then owing them money. So here we are in 2023 when it really is super simple to return stuff. But I still have a big fear around it.

And also, I don't even know, did anybody really get burnt by those CD companies?

Yeah, me. You did. You actually found yourself in a bad situation. I literally, well, it was on my credit report. When I went to buy a first house and was going through my, like, trying to get approved for it, and this was in the absolute height of what they called the liar loans and the ninja, like these, basically it was just this free-for-all where if you had a shady enough loan agent, they would just pretty much write whatever they felt like into your application and then just try to get it sent through some, you know, some loan agency, some mortgage place. And that was basically what happened with ours Thankfully, we were able to make the payments And everything worked out But I remember the guy just going Okay, I can really kind of I can finagle this a lot But there are some unfinagleable things On your credit report Including like $7,000 of unpaid parking tickets And something called Columbia House

Wow, there you go So it really was Because for me, I think I grew up so afraid Of those types of things Or like getting a credit card on campus I was like, I might as well just throw myself in debtor's prison right now. I would never stop at one of those little outdoor kiosks because it was just so hammered into me that it was all going to be predatory. I was going to find myself in trouble.

Really good on whoever hammered that into you because it was not hammered hard enough into my brain, which is why I traded my birthright for a water bottle once walking through Red Square where there was some table set up with like Amex. Would you like a free water bottle? Oh, and sign up for this American Express card, which will have a $200 credit limit, which you will immediately max out at the Red Robin on Eastlake with your daughter.

I can't afford not to take on these credit rates. Anyway, so all of that is to say, so I have a, I don't know if fear is the right word, but definitely a hesitation and a kind of a distaste or an avoidance towards anything that I would sign up for that automatically ships to me on a schedule. And again, I was talking to my pal Hannah on the Spotless podcast about this, and she was kind of laughing at me because the whole way Grove is set up is like you can, you know, you subscribe to certain products that you clearly use on a regular basis. Like you can lock this thing in in a way that makes sense for you. It's totally customizable. But I'm always like, no, no, no, I unsubscribe from everything. And then I just go in and I do my little shopping day. Anyway, I just got a note right as we were starting the show and as you were apparently reading an introduction or I guess you don't read those, but offering an introduction. I got a note saying your next Grove order is scheduled to come in July 27th or whatever it said. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the agreement. That's not the agreement, Grove. I love you. I tell everybody to shop at you, but you don't just automatically send me things. So I was distracted because I was on my phone trying to figure out it looked like they sort of I think I was able to get out of it by like kind of unsubscribing from all of these individual products that they auto subscribed for me based on my past usage. I was like, that's a little presumptuous. It's a little presumptuous, but OK, I think I'm out of it now. But I thought it was Tim Robinson. But maybe it was Tim Robinson. You sure that's why you sure that's why I could use a win? I could really use a win here.

Boy, that's too many layers of our own inside jokes with each other.

I know. The one thing I like about the I could really use a win here is that it is 100% original content from the twisted mind of Andrew Walsh. It's not me quoting another TV show. It is literally a line that I feel like Paul Giamatti needs to say in a movie and apparently never has. I could really use a win here. It's a little bit further away each time.

You know who I think tried to do that to me recently? And I would put this out for our listeners. I think Netflix is trying to, under the cover of this new, you know, their new policy that limits how many people can kind of be logging into the same account and from where to try to cut down on sharing. So we talked about that a while ago. And and then, you know, it was instituted. And in fact, somebody in my life who I'm very close to noted that their Netflix account, which had been, which was actually belonged to one of their late parents and which they were using to log in, partially to save 10 bucks a month, but also just because it kind of gave them a nice feeling to see their, their, their late parents name on the account that they said to me, oh yeah, I got kicked off of that thing. Like it's really happening. and then

A few weeks later, that person was like, I don't know. It's working again for some reason. I don't know why. And I noticed that my Netflix bill all of a sudden was like $29 or something. And I was like, huh? What's going on with that? And I went into my Netflix account, and I realized somehow I was getting like Netflix Supreme, whatever the highest ticket one is that allows other people to be on your deal or multiple logins. And I certainly never, I'm not sharing my Netflix password with anyone currently. And I think what happened to mine, I'd be curious to hear from other listeners if they've noticed this, I think Netflix just took the opportunity to somehow upgrade me to the highest level of something. And I think what happened in this other case was this person, I don't know why I'm being so vague about it, but this person I'm talking about, I think their mom probably just got auto-upgraded and didn't realize it. And so all of a sudden the password, you know, the logins were working again broadly because because I think Netflix just went ahead and said, so everyone check your Netflix account and see if suddenly you're at the highest level of Netflix, whether you want to be or not.

Sneaky, sneaky peaks. I don't like sneaky peaks, by the way. I believe one of the new I think that's one of the new Netflix offerings, actually. Sneaky Pete's. That seems like that is illegal. I mean, again, like right. Although you were probably like some email went to some address somewhere that you didn't see or pay attention to.

I'm the worst. The problem is I'm such a flawed messenger for this particular message because I am so bad about keeping careful notes on what I am signed up for and not signed up for and what I've agreed to. And I never read the fine print. So it's possible that I just somehow invited this upon myself. But I did think it was weird that I suddenly had the highest level of Netflix and that this other person who was locked out of being able to use his account to log in suddenly could use it again. And I know that this person's mother was not like carefully going through the Netflix contract and and making sure that I feel like something fishy is going on.

Yeah, I don't like that at all. But also, let's let's take this moment while we're talking about our communication styles and pivot into something else that I think you wanted to bring up anyway. and i'm going to introduce this topic in this way as a question to you luke and this is a sincere question how was it that you and i were both scheduled to go to the same baseball game together this weekend and i didn't even know it until you told us that you can't make it well it's because

sunday was croatian appreciation day at the ball game and of course our friend anita is croatian american and uh an enthusiast for all things croatia including jared kelnic ah did not put

that together but of course i was a little disappointed in the croatian crowd not going a little bit more bananas for jared kelnic because i believe i believe he has some roots and also he you know got our first rbi of the game in the first inning i wonder is that part of why they decided to make it croatian appreciation i think they have i i think there's a local croatian club that just decided there would be a fun thing to do to like you know you can do it with the mariners have t-shirts made oh i see got a section so we were staying in the anyway i'm getting ahead of myself but it was like it was kind of like a tbtl night only it was a croatian club that was holding

it instead you know so anita reached out directly to me and said hey um it's gonna be croatian appreciation day at the ems game and let me know if you if you want to go and i thought that sounds super fun and also i was going to be up in port townsend on thursday night so i thought maybe i'll just try to extend it and you know sort of stick around uh that part of the world and all the way through sunday and go to the game so i bought a couple of tickets um and in the section or whatever and then it just the scheduling of it didn't work out ideally for me because first of all we were just you know we were just gone for a week doing the the the tbtl-a-thon uh i have a week now that i'm home and in that i had to go to port townsend and back and then next week i'm going to be in los angeles doing a couple of tv stories including getting to interview carol burnett which i'm very excited about um so i just was like the kind of thing where it was like am i going to and i'm this reno project uh continues although when i texted everyone my apologies i said i'm in reno hell and everyone read it as i'm in reno hell i knew what you meant um but um i could also be in

reno hell i mean that's not the thing that's what somebody said they're like well either one seems

yeah who are you talking to here like that's there like it would would you be more shocked to hear i was in reno hell or reno hell in this case reno only because i know what you've been up to lately um but um so it just was one of those things where i really wanted to come hang out and see everyone but i just couldn't quite um make i couldn't quite convince myself that it was a good uh use of a lot of time out of my life to make one afternoon happen so i i but that doesn't

i was a scratch that doesn't answer the heart of my question which is this yeah you and i talk on this show constantly about our the most personal minutiae of our lives i did not so i knew that i was going to croatian baseball day with my group of friends i guess maybe i i just assume whenever i see a bunch of people on a text thread i assume it's like the wordle group so i guess the the the the text from anita however many months ago was maybe to the a larger group both our wordle friends as well as you and maybe some other people around there as well maybe i just didn't realize it but what i'm saying is is how did last week it didn't even just come up that you weren't you didn't say to me oh and i might see you this weekend at the baseball game that we're both going to did you not realize i was a part of it were you hoping to maybe make a big like kind of

a surprise entrance no i think it was two things one i had a growing suspicion that i wasn't gonna go okay you know what i mean so it was like i had sort of done the math i'd looked at the calendar and i thought you know if i if i stick around if i just if i stick around that area so that would mean i get up in port townsend on friday morning instead of hightailing it back down to where my other place is and then i'm sticking around for the whole weekend which is really fun but as you know when you know when we all get together particularly at the eagles or whatever hard things go ham sometimes and i was just like this is going to turn this is potentially for me going to turn into like a sort of a three-day rolling thunder and then there'll be the game on sunday and then i just i think i had kind of realized that it wasn't really going to work out for me and so i had already mentally i'd already released desire on the whole thing before let's say about 12 30 on sunday when i let the group know i wasn't coming 12 30 before a 110 game and yeah well i

gave everybody 40 minutes to kind of grieve and we got a text message saying hey we won't be able to make it but have a great time you know i never claimed my digital tickets so give them to somebody else if you want and somebody said um oh that you know that's a bummer but yeah i wish we had more time we could have done something with these tickets giving them away and i'll tell you what luke i couldn't disagree more because you know what i had on either side of me i figured yesterday A lot of buffer. How did I get the buffer? I don't know how I always get the buffer. You deserve it. You know what, my friend?

You put a lot of work in the TBTelothon, and now it's finally coming back. It's paying you back.

What you paid for was an imaginary seat on my left, an imaginary Luke on my left, an imaginary Becca on my right. Perfect. And nobody was there, and somehow I was able to be the recipient of the buffer. So I'm glad that you waited until the last minute. It was a little gift to me. Although that's a shitty thing. Like, there could have been human beings whose company I enjoyed, but I'm like, nah, there's nobody I like more than space.

Yeah, I could have handled it better. What I should have done is earlier in the week, just, I don't know why, probably because I felt a little bad that I had agreed to go and then wasn't going to go. I probably was dragging my feet on it. But I think part of why it didn't occur to me to bring up with you was because I had already, in my mind, I had already kind of made the decision. And so it was no longer like, hey, I might see you at the game. I was kind of thinking like, well, I know I'm not going to see him at the game because I'm probably not going to be there. And so it sort of, which was also part of why I actually, after making that decision, like sometimes I talk about sending a mental email where I will think, oh, I got to email Andrew about this. And then what happens is my brain files that under, I sent Andrew an email about this. like no email was sent but my brain has now my brain is now basically convinced that it happened and this was sort of that like once i decided um this is probably not going to work for me to go up to seattle then i actually started to forget that it was even happening to where it was sunday morning and i woke up and i was like oh wait is this the sunday of the game and i looked on my calendar and there it was croatian appreciation day and i was like ah okay and so and and even then though i i was probably up at like eight i didn't text anyone i think because then i was feeling sheepish about my lack of communication and and not to mention that our friend katie was was somehow found some picture of me i'm confused by that whole thing i don't know i have there's like a old she's she is and another friend of ours lives they're holding a photo of me and some other people in the photo i don't recognize the other people in the photo yeah i I can't tell if, is it them?

I couldn't tell.

I don't think it's them. I was, but somehow somebody found.

They will hear this too. So if Luke and I sound like we're being awkward, these two people will hear this conversation. So just add that to a level of awkwardness for this.

But I think I wrote in my response, where did that come from or something? I'm not trying to pretend that I know the origin of that photo. But anyway, so all that is to say, I am though jealous that you all were featured on the Jumbotron, apparently. Were you there for that? I was there. I don't think I was on the Jumbotron. I really was.

They're like, who's that weirdo sitting between two empty seats? We don't want him up there.

I mean, I was on the Jumbotron, but I was obviously wearing my leather mask, so nobody could really tell who was underneath there. Right, sure. It was a Sunday at the ballpark, Luke. Who doesn't wear a leather mask? No, I was sort of sitting in the middle of the row, and as you would guess, I'm not a huge put-me-on-the-Jumbotron kind of guy, but we were a pretty big group of friends there. missing two honestly we were a bigger group but no um no we're pretty decent you know we had like kind of two rows kind of filled out or like two half rows if that makes sense so we were kind of sitting in front and back of each other so we could sort of sit as a group and i was not on the uh kind of aisle seat but that is where like we had a family with us with a couple of kids and so like they're you know the kids are dancing and trying to get on the jumbotron at one point i i heard camaro kev yelling uh more and more angrily almost um get over here to the cameraman i said i've never heard camaro kev want anything more in his life than to get the group of folks on the jumbotron which i believe he i think he was doing that probably more in service of the kids although maybe he was on there too i don't know who ended up on the jumbotron i know the kids did and i'm quite sure that i would not have been in that shot it seemed like a pretty tight shot and

i was kind of like so somebody came over it was the deal where the camera person came over with the big old camera on their shoulder yeah and then somebody usually helping manage that situation standing next to him the producer and that was like so it wasn't one of those things where it's the camera person who's on the big stationary camera and they just like pointed at you and

zoom you don't even know what's happening they went to the section and they're hanging around for a while and they got some uh they got some shots of the of the groups kind of in front of us you know and again it was croatian nights where they're probably maybe i saw anita had

like a cool shirt on that was like probably the colors of the croatian flag or something everybody

had that so here's something that it was maybe an update from the weekend that you might find even more interesting the listeners will not this is so small ball of our lives but uh more than the jumbotron is luke the um the uh rolling pot for the big uh for the big bingo game was finally busted open this weekend wow so i don't know i i did not use the right should have gotten me out a couple of jams but there's a there's something i want to tell you about i want to know if i'm i

want to know if i'm bad for having mom one again i am going to absolutely there's something rotten

in denmark yeah no i don't think that she won um uh not lester i'm blanking on his name there's no good reason for us to remember the specific name in this case elmer's mom yes um elmer is a great name and if you can use the word elmer you should use it so anyway uh and we're not shit talking

just elmer brought his mom oh no i'm talking there was somebody whose mom was yeah and and before i before she'd won anything someone said that person's mom won something big last time yeah and so she was already on my radar and then she wins again our first bingo night there i think

she won three uh three pots in a row including one she split with me but anyway what do you call it when they're oh progressive right so we play bingo and there's you know there's prizes for each round or whatever but then there's something called progressive which is it's a blackout round you buy special cards and uh the person who wins the bingo you know darkens every single number on their card but it started uh you know i don't know months ago and the way it works is the the bingo people only give out so many numbers and then if nobody wins then they just say all right all that money is going back into the pot for next month and then the the next time they do the blackout round they release a few more numbers in the game but still nobody won and so the pot just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and we knew at I believe $2,800 Luke we knew that that thing was ready to pop this weekend and I you know they the numbers the number of numbers that the bingo caller was going to call was so high that there was no way anybody was going to walk away or that

everybody was going to walk away not being a winner right there were so many potential like it gets bigger and bigger every time so that at some point it becomes almost assured that someone

will win because there's just so many so many chances and it just seemed like we really you know it's going to happen this time vives and i have been you know in the market for a new refrigerator so we were thinking that could get us out of a few jams i don't like the way more and more of genevieve's financial planning did seem to circle around the blackout the progressive blackout bingo like it came up in our lives a little bit too much to be healthy i think anyway it did garner some winners this week and at first somebody yelled bingo i'm like that person's getting the twenty eight hundred dollars but then another person said i am bingo and then another person stood up and said i am bingo and it ended up being a four-way split whoa what do you think of that like everybody you know like nobody won for weeks and weeks and weeks and And then with one final number being called.

four people got their cards blacked out and they had to split it and here's the feeling that i felt a little bit bad for having i think i had some jealousy i know i had some jealousy for not being the winner myself um and so when i realized they had to split it four ways i was like well there you deserve that you get you have to split it nobody's getting the 28 this is my my inherent

this is my inherent problem with bingo it is well it's not technically a zero-sum game because we had four people win it so it it's it's absolutely not zero sum but it feels that way meaning in order for one person to win almost everyone else has to lose and i don't like that's why there's this whole thing with bingo particularly at like more rowdy bingo nights kind of like the the eagles or i've been to some fun gay bingo nights where it's like you know really saucy and the whole deal is when somebody wins everybody balls up their bingo card and then throws it at the person and it's like a real it's like we're all mad at you that you got it and i actually don't love that energy because like i when when it comes to casino games one of the things i like about playing blackjack with a group of friends is that if you if the group is lucky and the house is busting everyone wins at once and that camaraderie of we all win yay is so fun for me that's actually sort of the draw i don't like the fact that in bingo it it causes feelings of jealousy and you're not happy that somebody won you're mad at them because it means you didn't win that's really

interesting and there's one thing that I would I would defend in the like balling up of the of the losing score cards or whatever and then throwing them at the winner is you got it slightly wrong what you do is you ball it up you pretend to throw it at the winner but instead you throw it at Aaron Roden and that makes it worth it it's so much fun and then you're like sorry man that's the that's

the fun stuff right there I just I like I said also I think it probably the fact that I've never won at bingo ever colors my opinion of the thing because you gotta practice the games that i the the the organism that is gambling and i know the bingo is fairly low stakes and it's kind of a fun hopefully reasonably affordable thing that's just a fun night with your friends but the the games of chance that have particularly captured my imagination it's almost always trackable along the line of did I weirdly do well at it the first time I tried it? Interesting. And a game that I've played, like for instance, the Powerball. Grandpa lets me watch it after the Powerball. Today, the Powerball is at like 900 million. It's like the third biggest Powerball of all time. If I remember to go buy a ticket, I will today, but I probably won't. Same thing with scratch-off tickets or scratchers as you call them. I call them scratch-em-ups. Scratch them up, scratch them down. Oh, no, I need a body bag. That was just a little line from, was the song Doomy Baby? I don't know. Oh, I think.

Was that a Belle Biv DeVoe song? I think that was a little Belle Biv DeVoe break that you just offered us there. Yes.

No, but like the games, like things like the Powerball and the scratch them ups, I've just never won anything with them. And it's weird. they're totally unproblematic for me like i just it's it's like me and weed if i i wouldn't necessarily turn it down but i spend zero time thinking about it and could you know walk into a mini mart at any time and it just does not speak to me because i've never won at it and i consider that a real benefit because if like the first time i bought a scratch off ticket it had been like for 300 i'm sure that that would have become something that is maybe less than healthy for me and bingo's in the same thing i just never in all the bingo nights i've been to i can't remember ever winning any of it so again it's good because i don't have much of an obsession

with it and these things tend to be more small bore too i think i mean yeah a lot of things working against it but like i guess pull tabs i don't know if you put that in the you do play

pull tabs but again it's just for fun like not very casually yeah you could take him or leave man what's another thing i've never won like a thousand dollars a pull tab or some crazy yeah you know big win i'm i'm again so as long as i've not won at something i'm able to contain my demons but if i have one at it we got real you get a taste of that blood in the water yeah exactly um let's see here uh okay we talked about the jumbotron we talked about the cat throwing up not really i just mentioned it in the intro when you were mad at me i also mentioned this coffee maker situation you want to talk about allocation of resources i have this coffee maker that i i don't know would you consider this breaking it i broke it when i was first living in portland accidentally by throwing out basically part of the lining of like what do you call the cone that's inside a coffee maker like oh yeah like where you put the filter but not the

are you talking about the basket or are you talking about the little reusable filter that they sometimes come with that i don't use you're not talking about the metal mesh thing no somehow

plastic basket oh that's rough somehow i accidentally threw out like the whole basket or something i i because it wasn't it wasn't the mesh part it was something else somehow i i threw out the whole plastic thing and didn't realize it was gone until the next day so i had to buy a new one on amazon just a replacement basket yeah because it literally won't work without it yes and that thing has a little device at the bottom of it that's a spring-loaded little ball thing that when the coffee pot is where it's supposed to be it is releasing the coffee into the coffee pot now the problem is this was like an aftermarket basket that was being fit into this cuisinart coffee machine and even though it was all made by the same company they didn't come out it didn't come off the assembly line at the same time so it didn't really and i mean it should have worked perfectly it was the right part it just didn't or doesn't and so what happens is if i put the coffee pot on the burner right under the little release thing the coffee doesn't come out right the coffee gets stuck in there it gets stuck in the basket or it goes off i have to put the coffee pot in at this weird angle where it's like half inserted into where it goes so that it's pressing up on the little button like and i've been doing your headphone jack exactly and i have been doing this for years andrew and every morning when i make coffee i have to kind of like get it just right no one like if addy's visiting or becca's over no one else can make coffee in the house because no one knows how to like put this weird janky thing together that i have just been like living with as if this coffee machine was 800 or something like i i had i bought a coffee machine for the other place um at like the walmart in town it was like 25 and it works great and i've been using i use it every morning when i'm up there i don't know what uh becca and i are actually going to do some errands later today and she goes you know because i was complaining to her about my morning with this coffee everywhere because what happened basically was i put the uh coffee on and then i was doing some other stuff i was in here resetting up my audio gear and stuff and i go back out and i realized it's like zero percent of the coffee has gone into the coffee pot 100 percent of it has gone around the coffee pot flooded the burner area and then just i know that went out onto the countertop and i was complaining about this to becca and she goes oh we're gonna be out in wilsonville you know they got a costco you can probably get a coffee maker there and do you know that was the first time it occurred to me that maybe i should just i should just take the l on this coffee machine like i should just get rid of it and buy a new one it is strange because i

do think you're somebody who does not get hung up on the price tag on most things right like you'll buy of certain things of certain things like you'll buy like a laser baldness helmet like in just a just a I'm wearing it right now peak of fancy you know I don't know if that's an expression um but like so first of all this story that you have sounds very much like more my behavior I'm like well okay I'll sort of make up my mind when it comes to like kind of a I don't know a piece of an elect of electronics or some sort of an appliance like that a small appliance And it's like, I will limp something along for a while, and then I'll decide, you know what? That's it. I'm pulling the cord. I'm buying a new one. But then after I make that mental cord pulling, then I'm like, yeah, but now that I've made up my mind to get a new something, I'm going to run this other one into the goddamn ground first. Oh, wow. And I'm sort of doing that with, like, our coffee grinder right now. Started giving me some issues a while back, and then we decided, you know what? We're just going to get a new grinder. Like we probably bought one of the cheapest ones like five years ago and it's run its course. And then I started doing research. And then I think I can't I think with our friend Broadcast Berry's help, he identified one. You know, he's in the biz. He's like, hey, this is a good one. It's affordable. I recommend it. You know, you should get this. I'm like, you know what? That's perfect. I'm going to get that. But then once I was like, there it is. That's my new one. I didn't buy it. Instead, I'm like, all right, old guy, I'm really going to use you until you're spitting smoke. and so you're kind of it sort of sounds like yours was a little bit less deliberate but it is funny how we have these things in our life where we're we're so used to limping them along but you did something Luke the other day when we were in Silverdale doing the shows from your from your parents basement there was a moment right before our zoom meetup on on Wednesday where we did kind of an antiques roadshow type of thing with a bunch of listeners around the country via zoom we had the audio stuff set up and i thought it was going to work but i'd sort of missed a couple of things but then um we went away for a while and then we came back to do the live show i'm just getting everything in order and suddenly there was a new audio hiccup that we had not stumbled upon earlier in the day and i still don't know exactly why it happened but at The very last minute. literally minutes like i'm gonna say 120 seconds before we're supposed to go live i start like pulling cables out of the board i'm just like shit i'm just trying to repatch things i don't know if you remember this you might have been just sort of thinking about what what you were going to say i don't know but then i'm grabbing just a very simple cable that you and i use all the time to connect our computers to an audio board right you know what i'm talking about and i grabbed one and i plugged it in and it was janky just like in that way that you complain about your headphones being janky sometimes like if you sort of twist it a little bit you could get it to come in both channels but it was it was crackly and it wasn't working right and um in you know on deadline i just unplugged it and sort of threw it across the room i'm like that one's

dead and i grabbed another one and i plugged it in and it was fine and then after the whole zoom thing was over later i'm like i'm gonna throw this one away it's not working and it seems like such an unluke thing you're like eh i'm gonna take that home there might be some more life in that cable and i was just like you're not somebody who's like i think of as being like kind of parsimonious or trying but like i found it so odd knowing that cables can be sort of the bane of your existence i feel like you always have a bad cable somewhere and we had identified this as a bad cable but you want you couldn't bring yourself to throw it away when you heard that i was just going to throw it away you're like nah i better take it home i have a very weird relationship

with audio cables which is i'm the flat earther of audio cables shorting out which is that i don't believe audio cables short out this is despite all scientific evidence to the contrary yes i'm

personal evidence as the guy who's often helping troubleshoot i'm the kairi irving of audio cables be careful which is only that but only on that but only that only that only that like i i have a

really weird thing which i feel like an audio cable should never go bad because it's just such a simple thing it's some metal that is surrounded by rubber with a couple of you know plug plugs of some sort on the end and i know they go bad i know they short out because it happens all the time and often the fix for something is you just go yeah well that cable just went bad and then you pull it out you put a new one in and it works so like i understand intellectually that audio cables go bad emotionally i can't bring myself to live in that world and i don't know why it is there's just it just seems to me like maybe it's something else maybe it's just you know i don't know maybe maybe this audio cable just grew up in a fatherless home and it's just searching for direction maybe it just needs some positive male attention i don't know like it's just i i cannot but you just saw it totally in action like you're like this cable's bad and i'm like well let me see if i can salvage it which i i did bring it home i have it here i'm not using it i'm sure if i tried to use it it would be bad but you know what's going to happen it's

going to go into general pop and then you're not going to remember gen pop or whatever they call and then you're not going to remember that that was the bad one then you're going to be out somewhere and it's not going to work and you're going to have to like we're going to be on stage like that that's why like for me now like i need to follow through actually now i used to go to a radio shack but it's so it's just it's almost impossible to do any any of this other than online now i just need to go on amazon now and buy a replacement because it's good to have a bunch of backups of that that's a very common cable and you don't want to be um you know you definitely you want one my solution is now i'm down one so i need to i need to rebuy it but like it it's a banana michael what could it cost ten dollars you know it is not some expensive piece of hardware and for me like it's worth all of the money in the world to know that like that's not going to trip me up again in the future when we're going live in 120 seconds i totally agree with you

like on paper like i'm not i i can't i cannot defend my uh where i'm you know what sort of my actions on this it's just purely that like there i clearly have some weird hang up where it seems to me like an audio cable should pretty much work forever because like really what could go wrong with it and it's not logical it's an emotional thing yeah yeah and that was why but again you saw it very much in evidence that that i'm just like i'm you know what i'm i'm like i'm basically like carl weathers on back to arrested development yeah yeah oh you throw that in a pot you got a stew yeah i'm like that's me with audio cable that's a good audio cable it

was like it was a strange i mean not strange i don't want to make you feel self-conscious but i really was it was one of those moments that really did surprise me i'm like we'll just throw that away you're like no i'm gonna take it home i was like wow okay somebody's gonna be making a stew

hello and welcome to top story all right uh we do have um an update on the situation with 841 the sea otter uh off of santa cruz who we talked about the other day on the show who has been um biting surfboards and climbing up on surfboards and i don't think she's bitten anyone yet but it seems to be a dangerous situation and what i had said on the show was

well, if you want to find the sea otter, why don't you just get on a surfboard and go out there and then wait for the otter to try to climb on the surfboard? And it appears that's exactly what they've been trying to do. Our unpaid but very valued senior bidet correspondent, television's Chris Hayes, has also apparently shifted over into being our 841 producer. He sent us an article. Actually, he might be time banditing because I don't know if he realizes that we've already talked about 841. he said this would be a great tbtl topic and it was basically the update on them trying to catch the otter so i don't know if if chris is up to speed on the fact that we've that this has actually been a topic the irony is i'm sure that me trying to use the term epiphenomenal or epiphenomenon about 841 the otter was because of me listening to chris's podcast why is this happening where he regularly uses terms like that that i don't understand and then i google them and then i try to integrate them into my vocabulary and then it goes wrong although i do want to point out i think i think some of the blame lies with the fact that there seem to be opposite definitions of epiphenomenon that both apply to the same word yeah so i don't know if that one's so much on me but anyway it'd be ironic if chris hadn't heard the segment in which i was basically using a word i probably heard him use um uh regarding this this otter anyway i was watching some some video of them trying to catch the otter. And they were doing, I think, if I have the timeline right, like if this is what I thought I was looking at, it was very clever. They basically had a boat. They had somebody in a wetsuit and fins in the water. And then they had a dummy surfboard, but like an otter-sized surfboard. And I think the idea was for someone to get on a surfboard and then wait for 841 to come up and try to climb on either the real surfboard or the otter-sized surfboard. and then get the person swimming in the water so that the otter would follow them and then get the otter close enough to the boat, like a Boston whaler type of boat, that they could then, I guess, maybe get it in a net or something. But it has been unsuccessful. 841 is very elusive, it turns out. She can smell a trap. She kind of can, and she's also very wily, they were saying in one article I was reading on ABC7news.com. This was Lauren Martinez is writing for the, I'm assuming this is like a San Francisco station or something, that 841 is just, is, is pretty, is pretty clever. And she kind of can, she can, in fact, in the video that I watched that somebody just like, I think did from their cell phone or something, she gets on the, like the small surfboard, she starts going towards the boat. Everyone's thinking it's going to work. And then she sort of smells a rat. Not literally, she probably would eat a rat if she saw one, but she, she senses something is up and then she jumps off the mini surfboard and they can't get her really like johnny depp

in that movie about cocaine exactly i don't know if i get any of that right blow i don't know

are you thinking about point break are you thinking about point break where keanu reeves is a sir is a surfer bank robber actually i think keanu reeves is i think he's fbi and he's trying to crack a bank robbing surfer bank robber team where they wear like ex-president masks

yeah that would have been a better cultural reference given what we're talking about here but i'm trying to figure out is it donnie brasco or brasco johnny um donnie brasco uh is there's some movie where johnny depp plays an undercover cop but well that's donnie brasco Donnie Brasco. Brasco, okay.

And he goes undercover and infiltrates the probably Boston mob because there aren't enough films about that particular slice of culture.

And for some reason, I just sort of feel like I can't remember what happens to his character. It was a great cultural reference.

So you're saying, oh, but there's no surfing in Donnie Brasco, right?

No, it wasn't a surfing thing at first. So look, I didn't get tons of sleep last night and I'm not really on my game. I think I was just picturing like Johnny Depp being nervous about people smelling him as a rat. It didn't make sense. Oh, okay, okay, I'm with you. But can I just say, in your defense, this show would have been better if I hadn't said, like Johnny Depp in that movie about cocaine. Like, I just want to know that. I want everybody to know that. Because the problem is... I recognize that that was the most unhelpful thing I could possibly say at that moment.

Because the issue is he was also in a movie called Blow that was literally about cocaine.

More about cocaine, yes.

And he also is, there seems to be some fairly substantiated reports that that has also been a lifestyle for Johnny Depp. Right. So it's art imitating life, imitating Johnny Depp, imitating Donnie Brasco.

Okay, I'm going to do a remake.

Also, by the way, not set in Boston. Let everyone calm down. Donnie Brasco set in New York City, just for people that want to.

This is like that Johnny Depp commercial where he plays guitar. Uh-huh. For Savage? In the desert, yes. Yes.

So anyway, they can't seem to catch 841, which then, by the way, some of the let me go back to my previous screen because I was too busy Googling the plot of Donnie Brasco and then double checking if he was in a movie called Blow, which he was. It was interesting because there seems to be some real disagreement about what to do with 841 just based on sort of interviewing surfers who were standing around at the beach. Let me see if I can find this. local surfer joseph wilcox said it's a shame they're trying to re-home 841 he held a surfboard friday that said keep 841 free quote every time humans come across some nature that doesn't act their way acts like nature we got to put it in a cage and you know take it somewhere this is where she belongs this is her home and this is our home we can share it and yeah watch out for the otters Wilcox said which I have to be honest I started out being like I started out not really necessarily agreeing with Joseph Wilcox and I ended by saying I don't know maybe he has a point he's the one

who's at risk here you know he and his friends and those who are who are surfing I mean if you I mean I honestly think the the overall message of what he's saying is at the heart of what like my kind of gut reaction to the story is when we were talking about it the other day which is like god it's kind of a bummer like i i know this sounds so um sort of childish but like when you were talking about this the other day when we read that first article and said there's only like three thousand did it say three thousand of these little guys left of this particular kind of sea otter it's very endangered and i thought it's endangered a small enough number that they're definitely like a number that i could count to by the way that was a new thing i was trying over the weekend as a falling asleep no as an icebreaker is asking adults uh the highest number they can count to it leads to some interesting conversation um boy they make them strong at the eagles anyway uh i um i sort of like i just that number is so small i think it was 3 000 and like when like it was hard for me to get my head around the fact that i mean i know it's just it's again it's just sort of a naive childish thing to say but like that number is so small i just can't believe that we can't we can't somehow encourage more reproduction amongst something just to double i think of these sea otters the way i think of the tbtl audience can't we double these numbers

pretty quickly we're dealing with such a small number now that they've escaped from under the thumb of apm maybe the sea otters will be able to double the numbers maybe what i'm saying is why

can't we breed listeners wait hold on this one really off the rails no but like for real like in that movie where johnny depp is breeding cocaine yeah i don't know the numbers are so small and honestly i kind of appreciate this server now you can't speak for everybody and

there's liability but 3 000 that's yeah it was number 3 000 yeah that's what the internet is

saying so yeah and i'm just like man like there is something true about that like the sea otters are where they're supposed to be you know and it's like the humans who want to use that use that space too but i sort of feel like well there i haven't counted lately but there's more than 3 000

humans right and also many places where humans can recreate in the ocean and like there's this one little area which again i don't know the geography of santa cruz very well i bet you we have listeners there and i bet you have listeners who have even been to this particular beach so i don't want to be like dismissive of their experience but it's like yeah maybe i and i legitimately hadn't thought about this until local surfer joe wilcox brought it up to abc news 7 but like maybe either just be like all right an otter might mess with me or go to a different beach that could be a solution to this instead of trapping the otter rehoming it which by the way i think this one they're going to keep in captivity if they catch it i think they said i have really mixed feelings oh don't do it luke don't do it i have very mixed feelings about the term rehoming are you familiar with this term i mean i thought i got it from context but i clearly i didn't it's well it's just become more and more frequently used like let's say somebody has a pet oh yeah yeah oh yeah it's like the pet is you know they they get a dog but then the dog's really active and it's more active than they you know thought it was going to be or it's too much work for them which like totally happens in life um so i'm not trying to be overly judgy about that but then people now use the term i'm going to rehome them and then

charge your rehoming fee i mean that's the real i mean that's kind of how i came across it was like people saying like oh well you know you can't just sell dogs on online or whatever but people will be like hey you know we couldn't take care of our dog but uh for uh you know nine thousand dollar rehoming fee you're like a rehoming what does that mean i'm the rehoming is i'm going to take this dog and care for it in a way that you are not able to i'd be right what's the cost to

you for the rehoming of that like I've even heard it in extreme cases I've heard of people who are adopted adoptive parents when the family dynamic clashes trying to because of maybe the needs of the child who's adopted or whatever like trying to and I'm being totally serious quote unquote rehome the child and it's just like rehoming to me really strikes me as a way of kind of taking the edge off what is really happening in the situation and so I have some it feels a little I don't know I It's not my favorite term because it strikes me as a way of not really addressing what's going on, which happens in life, at least with pets, where it's like, I can't take care of this animal anymore. Can I please have somebody else take care of this animal for me? But somehow rehoming just feels like a passive thing to me or something. I don't know.

Yeah. And for people who think I'm completely ignorant, which is actually kind of fair on this topic, I do understand that there are fees that go along with adopting an animal because that animal has been cared for in a certain way. Of course, we paid for them. You know, like when we adopted Bingo, we did it properly through a service where, you know, Bingo had all of his shots and, you know, all of his procedures that he needed. I think he was already fixed before we adopted him. So, of course, you're going to pay for that. I'm not trying to make it sound like there is not a viable reason why you need to pay to adopt a pet properly, obviously. But I think we all know, too, that there are people out there who are just sort of like selling animals online and calling it a rehoming fee.

or in the case where somebody i it feels to me like somebody did not and this is seems rich coming from me because i am the kind of person who does not do their due diligence on like anything ever but to me sometimes the idea that somebody could have done a better job of of of sort of anticipating what the level of life commitment was going to be to have a certain kind of animal um and then they sort of didn't do that like i remember when i lived well one of the things famously is you know the i believe the most commonly available dog at least for many years in this country through rescue services was were chihuahuas and i directly attribute that to paris hilton i'm not saying this is what paris hilton wanted to have happen but i think that there was a time where getting or maybe it was the yokiro taco bell dog it's either paris hilton or the yokiro taco bell there was just a time in the culture where it was like chihuahuas were kind of cute little purse dog accessory. And a lot of people were getting them because I think probably it seemed like a fun thing, but then a lot of people found out that you still have to take care of them like a dog and they can bark a lot and there's all sorts of stuff going on. And then suddenly you see a flood of them available through shelters and places like that. I think in my mind, if I feel like somebody maybe hasn't maybe put in the research and really considered what's the responsibility of having this pet, and then they're rehoming them, i think just in being kind of a judgy a-hole i'm like i don't love that term do you know that i'm

becoming best friends with a dog that lives next door to us i don't i can't i can't believe i haven't even talked about this on the show yet the dog's name is rog it's rog the dog that's a good name and i i'm so bad with the types of dog but it's a it's a um it is a it looks like it's some sort of a like maybe um a shepherd mix i don't think that i don't know are german shepherds necessarily long-haired i don't think so right it's like kind of a i'm so bad with dogs i don't know it's like kind of a it's a medium-sized dog with like but but kind of like not a very round dog like kind of a um kind of a skinny pointy dog it's a pointy brown shape uh rog the dog rog the dog is its name yeah i wish i knew more about dogs but anyway it's a very very cute little dog and when um the neighbors who recently moved in i'm going to say maybe in the past six months or so um we knew that they had brought a dog with them but we didn't really have any interaction with it every now and then maybe hear a bark or two but that was about it um and then we at some point like i don't know i let it like the the dog came running over to me and there's just a chain link fence in this one part of our yard separating our home from the neighbor's home and this was rog the

dog that that you didn't want them to think you were yelling at them about yes that's right one

time when rog the dog was brand new in town when the neighbors moved in it wasn't the dog making noise i didn't even know there was a dog associated with the noise one one night i was trying to fall asleep i remember i was under the weather and it was exactly 11 o'clock at night and somebody started making this sound outside of our window really really loudly and i could not tell why they kept making the sound over and over when i eventually opened up a door just yell hey could you guys keep it down in a kind of a grumpier tone it's really hard to ever say that not in a grumpy tone no matter how hard you try i kind of heard i'm trying to imagine that could you keep it down in a happy could you keep it down okay that you did it hey we did it uh i could hear that oh this person was playing with a dog the dog wasn't making noise but when i opened the door i could hear like you know the jangling of maybe some collars or something anyway since then like the dog would sometimes kind of come over to me by the fence but i wasn't really sure what the dog's disposition was and I didn't the

The fence is about, you know, I'm going to say maybe like it comes up maybe about my armpits, you know, so it's a it's a real kind of fence. So I didn't want to just like reach my hand over the fence and like kind of like getting this dog's business in case it wanted to nip me or something. I just didn't know it that well. But over the course of the past couple of months, the dog and me and Genevieve have become great friends because the neighbor's yard is fenced in all around. so they just spend a lot of time inside with the dog just like having his own time outside and he seems happy enough it's a nice size little yard for him but when i am washing dishes that is the part of the yard where the dog can come over and make direct eye contact with oh yeah now rog hears my voice or hears me turn on the sink and will come running over if he's outside and he'll look at me through the window while i'm doing dishes i'm like rog i can't pet you right now and he looks at me longer he's like you know you can i'm like awesome oh my god so then i go outside and I reach over and he gets so excited and he tries to bring me toys I'm like where's your toy but he dropped but we're on different sides of the fence it's a love story between it's a forbidden love it's I can't throw the half eaten frisbee because I can't get it through the fence but it is so cute and so now and it's just like we've never given this dog a treat but you would think that we're like it's best friend like if he hears me or Veeves he comes running over with tail wagging and it's just it's so great it's

really improved my life and And also, if you reverse his name, it spells Gore the God. Yeah, there you go. All right. On to this other fishing story that we have for you today. A boat called the Sensation was out in a fishing tournament that was off the coast of North Carolina. It was the Big Rock Bluefin Marlin Tournament. I think I may have played a That's a Tuna drop for this earlier, but it's actually That's a Marlin would be more accurate. A really well-written piece by Brandon Sneed in the New York Times. They caught the fish, but the $3.5 million prize got away. And it's this sort of crazy story of this big fishing tournament that happens, like I said, off of North Carolina. It's called the Big Rock Tournament. There's 270 entrants in it. The thing goes for over six days. There are two big prizes. The first prize is for the first boat to catch, I think, a fish of over 500 pounds. That would be worth $739,000 and change. So that's called the Fabulous Fisherman Prize. If you were the first boat to catch, got me a marlin of over 500 pounds, then the prize for catching the biggest overall fish was $2.7 million. The totality of that being three and a half mil. And what's kind of interesting about this boat, the sensation, is that it was actually made up of a number of just kind of like pretty working class, like normal people who had all bought shares in this fishing tournament. So some of these teams, this whole, I mean, again, we have listeners that live down in this area. Some of this fishing stuff is unreal. The sort of scope of the finance that's involved in this. You know what I mean? Like you have professional fishing teams. You have teams that are, you know, that are sort of staffed by, michael jordan had a boat in this tournament for instance um that i think is called catch 23 which

i think is a very clever name is a michael jordan fishing boat oh shit that is so clever i love it

but like so you've got like you've got michael jordan's fishing team involved in this and then you've had the guys on sensation which is again a bunch of like pretty normal sounding dudes who all kind of like ponied up sort of all the money they had in the world to to pay for their you know entrance into this thing and they get out there and sure enough after a few different uh you know attempts they've been out there multiple days and it's not really going well and then at some point they just hit on this like crazy crazy uh i don't know we call it hit on the line like the guys the guy's line just starts running and running and running and what ensues is an all-day battle with this fish um they see the marlin jump at some point and tell new york times um uh oh they'd seen this marlin actually jump before they locked it on the line they just saw it was in the area and they said if we catch this fish we're going to win the big rock so sure enough they eventually get the fish on the line the fish goes down like a thousand feet they're fighting the fish fighting fish finally they get it all the way up into the boat and sure enough it's this huge like i don't know you know over 500 pound fish they bring it in in fact it was 620 pounds they bring it in they weigh it that you can see the picture of these dudes who think they've caught three and a half million dollars worth of fish because it's the first fish over 500 pounds it's the biggest fish of the whole tournament they are like planning the rest of their lives because they're going to divide up this money and then one of the judges comes over and says um well congratulations We'll take a picture and everything, but we need to have a... huddle about this we the judges and the next morning the judges announced that the sensations catch is disqualified because they concluded the fish had been bitten by a shark or some other predator during the time it was hooked on the line so in other words some of the rules of the tournament are if you are trying to reel in a fish of this intense magnitude 620 pounds It needs to be you or your team versus the fish. Mono e, however many people are in the boat. Fisho. Mono e fisho. Not like a fish that, it never even occurred to me, but when you have a fish this big, if they're caught on a line, on a hook, and they're battling all day, well, first of all, one of the things that can happen is apparently these fish can have a heart attack and just die from fighting so hard against being reeled into the boat.

And that doesn't count? That's a war of attrition that you won.

No, the heart attack would be fine. The fish being bitten by a predator while you're trying to bring it in is not fine. And they found that there was damage to a couple of the fins, including, by the way, the fish's anal fin. That was news to me. They have an anal fin. Yeah, that's news to me. It had been bitten by a shark or some other predator. They decided. And so these folks got nothing from this. they i mean they can sell the i'm sure that the fish itself is probably worth some money but like just because it's huge and it's a lot of marlin meat but like they did not win the tournament because of this fish bite on the anal fin of this marlin that doesn't seem right to me i know like

i just can't obviously you're rooting for these guys but like you're not controlling it's still an act of nature right i'm trying to think like is that rule in place because some people figured out a way to like hey we got this thing on the line let's now drag it through a school of sharks or something do you think there's a way to like to like sort of leverage that and that's why the

rule exists i don't think so i think it's probably because again and i'm i only know from reading this article about it but my guess would be that it's more common than than some person like me would imagine that sometimes when you get a big giant fish on the line that is itself essentially prey and so now it's not really in charge of its movements and it's down in an area where in its normal life is probably evading sharks anyway now it's a sitting target and so it might that just that just might not be as rare as you would think and if you get your anal fin bit off now you're even less able to direct yourself under the water you're you know i saw something on tiktok the other day that was like can you imagine that you like walk up to a restaurant and there's just like a really delicious huge cheeseburger it's like a beachside restaurant and you take a bite of the cheeseburger and suddenly there's just a hook through your face you're just being pulled into the water like fishing is weird which i i mean i i tend to believe i tend to agree with that sentiment but i to me i think i don't think it's that there's any way for an angler to intentionally try to disable the fish by by moving it through predatory waters my guess would be it's just a thing that can happen sometimes that i would have never even considered yeah and so they have to account for it so uh of course the guys from the sensation boat have lawyered up so i guess we'll uh so that's a positive ending that there will just be years of litigation trying to get the three and a half million dollars some settlement

it's hard it would be hard not to fight that though i mean yeah i know i mean well i'm just

thinking again back to the sort of talking about the games of chance and whether it's a powerball or a scratch them up or whatever i mean can you imagine you got to scratch them up and it says three and a half million dollars and just what that does to you emotionally to go there this is why by the way they make these prank scratch them up tickets that's right and i think that is probably i think that is the dirtiest absolute dirtiest thing you could do to someone yeah and i see i'll see videos online sometimes of like you know like it's christmas morning and someone you know put one of these prank tickets in someone's like stocking why It is only downhill from the moment that they think they've won $100,000 or a million dollars. The things that your mind can do to you in the span of 10 seconds when you think something like that has happened. It's almost physiological. I remember listening to a Radiolab episode years ago that said, essentially, our bodies understand things before our brain sometimes, which sounds crazy because you think your brain is what tells your body. what's going on but there are examples of where your body it's like you said it's physical almost before your brain can process it and that's like what that would be to scratch off a a ticket and to see that you won a million dollars and then for the reveal to be you didn't win a million

so cruel it really is sometimes the body will even just like do something like say it's like that movie with johnny deaf and the cocaine and your body doesn't your body knows it but your brain doesn't even know why you said that um have i this is a probably a cruel thing to say or or maybe a divisive thing to say that i i don't need to bring up on the show but i will um have i told you i've been telling a lot of people i've been sort of working on a theory as i sort of discuss it with various uh groups of friends and that is that and this goes back to this idea of of a prank you know i'm not a big fan of pranks right i might have even already said this on the show last week but i've been working on this theory that like basically the mid 2000s was one of the lowest points of culture i feel like have we talked about this or like kind of pop culture because of everything that was going on like it was a very heavily i think all of this was fueled by the internet but it was a very heavily like kind of pranky era it was a lot of like let's like flash mob it up which is you know that's sort of a little pranky because it's kind of like hey we're all normal people no we're not we're dancing and then um you had like you're not an you're not an improv everywhere guy i don't know if you can sort of pick up that i'm not a huge flash mob uh kind of guy um you had you know this is when you really had the proliferation of like hey we're we're at a normal wedding but wait no we're not the the groom is going to start sashaying down you know like everybody was like there's like constantly thirsting and looking to go viral in the most like in the most thirsty annoying way or like the the big um proposals that were supposed to go viral like everything that was just sort of happening around that time i sort of feel like 2005 was like the epitome of shit i hate i could see that and again i want to

you might want to you might want to footnote with annoying to you and also kind of to be honest with you annoying to me although less annoying to me than it seems like it is to you in other words i probably wouldn't do a flash mob proposal but i also probably am not as put off by it let's just say if i were the mariner for croatian appreciation day i wouldn't be above elbowing tatum out of the

here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's not

from a female all right emails you brilliant son of a gun bringing up baseball again here at the end for the perfect transition into jen's voicemail i see what you're doing luke and i love it and

andrew this is jen from fullerton california i'm calling to contribute to baseball talk so when i was little my grandparents had season tickets to the angels and my grandma was very concerned about me getting hit by a ball and so when i was very small like two years old she would make me sit under the seat and she would give me some like crayons and a laying book or something i'm not really sure but i would sit down there with the still beer and the peanut shells and yeah i bet i just had a great time down there

all right bye I do baseball oh thank you um I uh I I love and despise that at the same time I remember being a little kid and just like you would be in these little spaces that like were your little kingdoms for a while and like I'd love that aspect of it but now as an adult also knowing what the ground at a ballpark is like I just I just want to take that kid and clean them

so badly no no no I love it that's like you know I don't know if I don't know if if I'm if I'm getting too close to uh like anti-vax conspiracy theories like you know there's that whole school of thought that you like kids need to be exposed to some yeah some dirt and grime in their life to build up their immunity i mean is there any better dirt and grime than spilled beer and peanut shells at a baseball game i mean i feel like that's why this listener is such an obviously cool person right like that's just that's just the absolute building blocks i think for a life well lived. And if it's a Mariner's game, maybe

it inoculates you to losing a little bit too. Totally, just from so much success over the years. I was going to say, just used to like you've developed a callus from the loss. You're okay. Nothing can hurt you anymore.

I also just like I love this caller's grandmother who is like maybe on grandmother duty, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to go to my baseball game. We're just bringing the kid, but also a caring grandmother that doesn't want the kid to get completely nailed by a foul ball so it's like get under here with the spilled beer yeah also i think it really speaks to how when you're a little kid anything can be fun yeah because like again what's great about that message is how it doesn't end exactly where i thought it would end which is like i used to go to the baseball game my grandma would make me hang out under the seats it's like had some really great times down there like i just i love everything about that voice made a lot of friends um yeah that is great you One time a foul ball came and a guy named Peter.

williams kicked me right in the head you were a businessman special or business person special next to a grandma who had her grandchild under the seat by the way is it is it our old friends at blazing bagels it's some local business i think has really taken that idea of the business person lunch and like they they have now like branded it as bring your laptop to the ballpark day like actually almost like a work from home thing like i love i mean i would never do that Because, first of all, I just would not get anything done, obviously. But I think as a branding opportunity, that's really smart. Like sort of like updated for the times. Like, hey, just bring your laptop to the ballpark today because we have a day game.

Yeah, that is smart. But I also, this is, again, I feel like today is a show where I'm really taking the lead on being kind of no fun and, as you might say, finger waggy. First, I'm telling people to stop calling it rehoming. Now I'm telling them they need to celebrate baseball the way I celebrate it. But like a baseball stadium full of people who are on Zoom calls and are sort of moderately paying attention to the game feels unfun to me as well. Now, I don't think that's going to be the effect. I don't think you're not going to get 40,000 people on their laptops. But I just I mean, on the one hand, I'm kind of into it because I've talked about this guy before who is I see him on like TikTok. But his whole move was he had a green screen that was mounted behind him. So it was just a circle made out of some very light material so that he could strap it to his body. And then in front of him, he had this, he was wearing this harness that could support a laptop. And obviously, it's some kind of Wi-Fi hotspot that he could bring around. And the whole bit is he's on Zoom meetings while he's in all kinds of, he's like on a water slide. He's like running. He's doing all these crazy things. But if you were to be on the Zoom call, what you would see would be a green screen Zoom background of like an office behind him. and it just messes with the idea of like how far you could push that so that guy at the game or people like him at the game who are like having super fun at a baseball game but are kind of making it seem like they're at work i'm kind of down for that deception yeah absolutely again i

how much of it is actually going to happen and how much of it is just a bit i think mostly it's just a bit but i think it's a pretty good bit i think it's i like it because it's kind of updated for the times a little bit instead of like hey take a take a nine inning lunch break it's more like well we actually live in the era where there's a whole generation of people that don't think there's any reason why they need to go into an office which is you know i'm i'm not making a statement on that one way or the other um it's just i am just kind of i i think that is going to be one of the biggest kind of demarcations of generational thinking especially when it comes to work is like i was talking to a friend at a actually at a ball game a couple months ago we're talking about a mutual friend and he said oh yeah she moved out to uh she moved out to new york i'm like oh did her work take her out there he's like no she just told work that she's going out there for the summer but she's actually just going to stay out there and see what they do and that is not the first person i know tangentially in my life who's done basically that same exact thing like moved somewhere said i'm going to be out here for a little bit but have basically told their friends i don't intend on coming back and i'm valuable enough uh and i can do my job from out there and so i'm just going to push it like it's an interesting thing like that like it's just so such a different mentality we were you and i even though we're kind of the slacker generation I think we still were that generation that had like the boomers really kind of hammering it. I know me and I don't even have regrets about this, but my dad was very much like kind of like, you know, very strict when it comes to like what work means. And, you know, you work hard and you show up and you don't you don't you don't not take it seriously.

My family was like, work hard, pray hard. Yeah, the kind of family, you know, it's funny because I definitely I think because my job stuff is sort of so central to my. identity um probably to a degree that's not healthy like i get i think probably a lot of my self-esteem from these jobs that i'm lucky enough to have and it when i'm at a loss for something to talk about with someone else i will say something like you know i it often goes to job town for me where jobs fit like jobbies um and i think it was it might have even been vives who at some point i think was asking a different form of question of people at a party like where instead of like what's your job because that really doesn't define everyone more sort of like

what what are you into yeah that was sort of thing especially in LA she realized like a lot of people are into things they don't want to talk about their job they want to talk about their

projects but I also have a tendency if someone has moved to be like oh was that for work and more and more the answer is no yeah like to your point it's like it is not the drive for a lot of jobs anyway it's not the driving force behind people you know relocating to places and and um For good and for bad. I mean, it's cool that people have more latitude. It also can get really complicated in places where the housing is now totally unaffordable. Because, like, I was, to be honest, when I was up in Port Townsend, I was talking to some folks. Port Townsend.

you know when i moved there years ago it was it was changing already but it was still a place where there was some affordability in the housing market and i think because of a lot of factors but one of them being the pandemic and people being able to work from anywhere it's now wholly unaffordable for anyone particularly people that work there so if you're somebody that works in the service industry if you're not already a rich person it's really really difficult to live in the place where you work. And you see that happening in a lot of places.

That's really bad.

Classically been the issue in places like New York and L.A. and San Francisco and Seattle for years. But now it's even hitting places that used to be protected by their remoteness. And now they're not anymore because anybody can live there and continue working. And so that's obviously not a good outcome.

Yeah, definitely. And that's because post-pandemic, that was a huge problem in Seattle, too. Like you said, it's not like necessarily a brand new issue, But it was an issue that was becoming more and more of an acute issue here in Seattle is that, like, you know, while we were having a lot of trouble, we as a city kind of attracting people to the to that sector, to the service sector. There were like it was hard to fill jobs. So people were waiting, you know, longer for their brunches or whatever and maybe complaining about it. It's like, yeah, because we priced everybody out like nobody can live in Seattle on a server's dime. You know what I mean? On a server's paycheck. So people then have to come and say, well, why would I live in federal way and drive all the way up to Seattle to work in a restaurant?

You know? Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, that was a great voice. Good. Thank you for the thank you for that. No, I'm being serious. No, I know is my power out of the show isn't ideal. You be nice to my friend, Andrew. We're going to need him for the 4000th episode. Are we still doing that? Even though I learned last week that we're actually well past episode 4000. If we count individual hours of the show during our first year as episodes. Yes. And you know, we may not even have to do the show.

This is a good reminder. In fact, now I'm starting to get I'm starting to get cold feet. I wrote this whole newsletter on Friday warning people that we're about to unleash 4000. It's actually in our archives right now because there are a bunch of like no point conversions. There are a bunch of of us recapping Game of Thrones. What did we call that? A game of ice and spoilers. you and i we actually have over 4500 files to transfer over and i've been warning everybody and if you hear this you should do this anyway um you should go to your tbtl uh setting the settings on your tbtl feed on your podcatcher to make sure that it is not set to download all new episodes because i think we're going to open up the backlog on friday and i'm getting more and more concerned about people not hearing my message that you need to make this switch and just basically giving people too many files automatically downloading on their phone. I'm getting very nervous about this, Luke. We should be having this conversation off-air, but we're not, because this is what we do, and so I'm starting to wonder if maybe I need to backtrack on this plan. We'll discuss it, and then I'll get back to everybody. Only this

show, by the way, and granted, I know that some of those 500 are the result of the year and a half where we were doing effectively three episodes a night, if you broke the hours out as individual

episodes.

So even so, even that being the case, only this show would have 500 episodes we didn't even remember doing. Like a rounding airbag. Oh, you know what? Actually, there was 500 other like Song of Ice and Spoilers and Macmillan Men and whatever else. You know, just like only our show and secret shows that we were doing for a while and stuff like that. It's like just the sheer quantity of this undertaking is truly insane.

Yeah, I'm trying to log in here. I want to give you the exact number because it is quite staggering. In fact, I'm really thinking about maybe not putting these in the in the I can't believe what I just can't believe how many things I've discussed on the show. And in this case, very emphatically, actually, we're up to four thousand eight hundred and sixty five. We are so close to actually having five thousand episodes. We did it. Joe, we did it. And so I am actually now I have discovered a way that people can find these online. If I share We did it Jones And so I'm wondering If maybe we just need To send people a link If they want to go Digging through the archives Because that just seems Like a lot to unleash Into the world of RSS But anyway We'll talk about this What a weird place To end the show Sorry buddy

I appreciate you giving The listeners And the potential downloaders A bit of a heads up Yeah We don't want to overwhelm Anyone's telephonic device

It's so much

Especially my mom My mom has just recently Become a listener

Do you think she's going to start with show number one and then work her way through 4,865 episodes?

I believe, in fact, she starts most books at page one, and then she gets at least to page 10. So I think that probably that's what we can expect. My mom will listen to episodes one through ten of TBTL and then probably call it good. Mom, if you're hearing this, let me...

me know i am i don't know how many of these episodes have john boy in them so i think she

only watches she only listens to the john boy episodes right um uh yeah exactly oh dude sorry i just had a it reminded me that i have to get her i have to get her birthday present figured out with involving john boy and then i stopped there because if my mom is listening right now it's getting blown that she's hearing me talk about her her birthday present okay then i'm

going to tell you remind me when we when we say goodbye here but we come back on the line i need to tell you a listener had a really good idea for that thing that you're talking about i want to

share okay all right and again at the thousand dollar level thousand dollar a month level you can hear that conversation between andrew and i that we're going to have after the show at the one thousand dollar a day level you can listen at the one thousand dollar an episode level you too can hear me and andrew because believe it or not there are things we don't talk about on air yeah which is shocking to think about how much we do how much of our personal business is

conducted right here on this recording especially after today's show stay tuned everybody thanks

for listening everyone we will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you in the meantime have an absolutely great monday take care of yourselves and please remember no

mountain too tall and good luck to all um i am driving on my way home and i'm listening to podcasts and i'm crying with so many tears of happiness i'm so happy for you guys this is very very very exciting that you hit your goal and i am literally crying No, it's so ridiculous. But I'm so happy for you guys. Yay! See you in the air forever! Power out.