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Ladies and gentlemen, let us welcome Washington's fearless political satirist,

the court jester on the poop deck of the ship of state. Why is this man wearing no pants? The answer will surprise you. There are many ways to keep one's lips conditioned. I don't kiss, for example, 24 hours before a performance, because kissing makes your lips mushy, and we cannot have mushy lips and be a champion.

Why would either one of you, uh, you know, why? Dear God, why? It's a P-A-R-T-Y, because I said so!

well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show it just might be too beautiful to live my name is luke burbank i am your host i'm a professional look it up in the book coming to you from the playa del rey neighborhood in the greater Los Angeles, California area where I think California is going to have sunshine later but as of right now as I'm looking out the window of this hotel room the entire place is blanketed in fog and I'm laughing about that because I just realized in this very moment as I was uttering those words that one of the reasons I'm down here is to film a story about the Hollywood sign, which is turning 100 this year. And today, the plan is for me and a person who's a historian and knows all about the story on the Hollywood sign. We're supposed to stand on this very kind of intentionally and specifically chosen vantage point so that in the background, over the shoulder of the guest, is the Hollywood sign, is the thing that we're here to talk about. And if this fog doesn't go away, we will have no shot. Like, what are the chances? I'm guessing it may burn off. I don't know. I mean, it's supposed to be warm today here in Los Angeles. But wouldn't that be... If my phone just starts ringing... If my phone starts ringing off the hook during the show, it's probably the producer of the story saying we need to take evasive action and come up with a new plan. Anyway, the good news is the plan for episode 3994 here on TBTL, that plan remains strong, my friends. Let the fun begin. I don't know if it's such a strong plan to change the name of Twitter to X, but that is apparently what Elon Musk says he's going to do.

What are you doing?

I have mixed feelings talking about this stuff because so much of it does seem like just an attempt to get us to talk about stuff, But I do think it's, I do think it's, I think there's some interesting stuff to actually discuss related to this is of all of the kind of stunts that he pulls. This is a stunt that's pretty fundamental to the entire operation over there at Tweeter. So, or excuse me, at X. So we will get into that. Also, I have begun a process in my life that has me feeling a little bit worried, a little bit nervous.

This shiny guy always worried.

tell you about uh what that's what's going on with that coming up i figured you know we've uh got the we're going independent as a podcast we've got the 4 000th episode at the neptune theater this saturday night i should throw in some other fairly large life adjustments for me just to kind of just to kind of add to the um the anxiety levels this guy though is never

anxious. He's never worried. He's got it going on. You are handsome. Don't worry. He's Andrew Walsh. He's the longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. And he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke. I

know sometimes I can sort of rat hole on a topic on this show and talk for a long time about something so specific that it would be shocking if even one or two members of the audience would have an interest in it so i'm trying today trying to effort something luke i want to be oh effort yeah i want to effort so right there that's a word that everybody can get behind i just want to be more i want to bring more broad appeal to the show which is why i want to ask our audience here if anybody has any idea what the hell happens in episode one season four of fargo which came out in 2019 i am so confused there and i think i'm being trolled based on my face blindness you didn't you didn't get that far into the series where's that one set where's that one second you're asking me where it's actually i should know that there is a title card at the beginning of the screen i can't remember it's the one though that has chris rock in it i made it like halfway through the first episode oh yeah yeah yeah okay did you watch that season i watched some of it isn't the word andrew bird is like a funeral home director or something oh okay i don't know i didn't know that oh it's kansas city okay yeah and it's like but it begins by kind of covering a lot of ground in the past i think it's you know it's going to be a story of of mafia families of some sort and in the beginning of the first episode it's like kind of this sort of flashbacky kind of situation where it shows you the evolution of the crime syndicates in i say syndicates do i say syndicate funny uh the crime syndicates in kansas city um but as they flashback there's like all this sort of um double crossing and there's this relationship where the the the patriarch of one of the families must like kind of shove his child over to be raised by the other crime family as a way of keeping everybody. Yep. I remember this. Yeah. Okay. And so in the very beginning, the very opening scenes, first you see some girl, a black girl who's being kind of abused at school in a way that is is pretty violent and then like kind of being paddled. But because because of her race, it's like 1950s, I think. And then but then they're flashing back to try to explain the story of these crime families but they're showing like these kids being pushed back and forth but then time is moving on but then they're flashing back and they sometimes have new actors to play the kids as they're growing up and like they have three different people playing one person and they're going back and forth in time and i swear they're just trying to get me at my face blindness level because i cannot i mean i rewound it and i watched it again just that part and i have no idea who anybody is and i'm pretty sure that's going to set me up to not be able to watch the rest of the season i don't think i've ever felt

this way about a show before this was the season that was directed by christopher nolan though

right so i mean that just comes with the territory one person was spinning fargo heimer yes fargo heimer anyway so that is my attempt to try to bring more people in the audience get at me if you can tell me what's going on with that particular episode of the show from 2019 i'm also not really

much help i think i got like four or five episodes in i really enjoyed that season the parts of it that I watched, I just, the real, okay, I got a couple things that I'd love to talk about here at the top of the show, Andrew. One is just that in the Burbank airport where I landed last night, they have a pet therapy program, which is such a cool idea. It's basically like if you're someone who has anxiety around travel, particularly flying, people who have just awesome, awesome boys and awesome gals will bring those dogs in and you can pet them, you can take a picture with them, It could just, like, maybe lower someone's stress levels, their anxiety levels. It's pet therapy. And the name of the pet therapy program is Waggage Claim. That's good. Which is, I mean, that's top five names for anything that I've ever heard in my life. Waggage Claim?

I mean, that's really good. I mean, I would reserve some of those top fives for TBTL titles because we've been going back releasing all the old episodes. We've had some good ones, but I don't know. And people are like, wow, there's some really good stuff in there. So, you know, don't sleep on your own product

Okay, it's top ten then I'm going to leave nine slots for TBTL episode names And one for waggage claim Yeah, that's good, okay The other thing is Speaking of Oppenheimer Speaking of Christopher Nolan I was really ruminating on this I didn't see the movie, by the way I'm waiting I think Becca and I were going to, like I don't know I know this is not something you would do now Because it feels like too much of a Too much of a thing that's gotten memefied but I actually was legitimately considering seeing the Barbie movie and the Oppenheimer movie in the same day. I never see any movies in the theater, and my thought was, why not go all in? Why not actually make a thing of it? And I asked back, and she was like, yeah, totally, I'll do that.

Just so you know, because it's probably important in the conversation. Yeah, I don't plan on seeing him in the same day, but we do already have our tickets to Oppenheimer at the IMAX lockdown for next Sunday. So if you can do this before Sunday, we can compare notes.

Look at you coming off the TBTL 4000th episode. You're going to get up Sunday morning, putter a bit, I assume. Feel the sweet embrace of a job well done the night before and really having this thing that's been a big point of stress for us kind of in the rear view mirror. And then you're going to head on down to the IMAX, and then you're going to watch a 900-foot Cillian Murphy.

A little bit different.

Pretend to be a scientist.

I wish Sunday was going to be so chill. And said, Sunday I'm going to do my volunteer gig, which then will wrap up at 4, and then I'm going to race. I'm going to have somebody else take the tables. My job is tables, Luke. The job is tables. Are you having Eddie Munster take them somewhere? Eddie Munster ruined my tables. But I'm going to have somebody else take the tables back to the garage. I'm going to race out of there and meet Genevieve down by the IMAX. Did I already somewhat worry about parking? Yes, I don't like parking cars, but I will find a place to park at the IMAX and rush in there just in time to catch, I believe, the 445 showing.

Well, now what I'm doing for you is I'm projecting you into that moment because that will be when you can relax. For me, it's Sunday morning, and that's what I've been thinking about along with the success of Oppenheimer, which I just find interesting as an idea because I, here would be my, I have multiple different threads going here right now, but one of them is I have a really, really busy week in front of me along with the 4,000th episode, which is like the primary thing. I'm here in LA. I'm filming two different TV stories. We've got a lot of Livewire recording to do as well this week. So it's a very busy, I would say, for me, feeling like a pretty stressful week. And I just keep telling myself, Sunday morning, I'm going to wake up. We'll have done all of this stuff. I'm hoping we'll all have gone well. I'm just going to be in a—that's what I keep telling myself or to get myself through the— when I start to feel anxious, I just keep saying, yeah, but Sunday morning is going to be amazing. And for you, Sunday afternoon at 4.40 when you sit in that IMAX seat with your popcorn and your soda pop. Do they let you eat popcorn at the IMAX or is it too highfalutin for that?

No, no. I wouldn't go if there were no popcorn. I'd rather go to a— But the kernels are giant. They're really—and rounded at the edges, which is weird. Yeah, exactly. You know, I don't mean to hijack your story, but honestly, can I just say something here? And I know that this is mostly on me, but it's been a really busy summer, both professionally and then with a lot of social stuff going on. But, you know, like we did coming off of the big transition out of APM and then the fundraiser like that, that was a huge step. But like you say, it's still no time to relax because we got to get to this 4000th episode thing. And then the thing is, I've been just looking at the calendar and it's just like and again, the rest of these things are not work related. But like immediately the weekend after we do the 4000th thing, Genevieve is throwing her big summer party. And then like two days before that, we have some friends coming into town from Australia. So they're staying with us for two days, bleeding into the party. And then the weekend after that, I think, was supposed to be like a cabin weekend with a bunch of friends. And I got to say, I finally just said to my friends this weekend, I'm like, bad news. I can't go to the lake. Like, I'm just like, oh, I'm just like, I just I have not even invited to the lake. Well, there's they were going to invite you. No plans have been made yet. no I um I just like and I feel a little bit whiny about this and I know that I I know that you think that I get overwhelmed easily which is maybe true but I don't have I said that I mean I do think it but have I said it you wrote it in an email that you didn't know I was copied on one time um to the organizer of the thing festival I did do that yes so um uh here my cat's walking on the board how's this gonna go let's move him right up there okay um so anyway I gotta say like Like, I, this is really awful. I'm totally hijacking your story. But, like, Genevieve sort of asked me the other day, like, well, you're looking forward to the 4,000th. And I shouldn't say this on the show, but I'm like, I'm kind of looking forward to being done with the 4,000th. Like, then I will be able to be like, okay, we have done it. And hopefully it will be a success, however you measure success, you know. And it will be fun and we will see people and we will hang out for the first time in a long time. I don't want to take the fun aspect out of the 4,000th. This will be something that I will probably cherish as a memory for a long time, the way I cherish the memories of other big events we've done like this. Having said that, right now in the moment, it's hard for me to say, yes, I'm looking forward to it. What I'm looking forward to is, you know, having maybe a Bud Light afterwards and being like, OK, everything went fine. OK, like that's great. Or everything didn't go fine, but we survived, you know, or whatever it is. And then it's just kind of like, OK, but then I got to turn around right away and be ready for some out of town guests to come into town and then a party. And I'm just kind of like, I am looking forward to a time when there is nothing on my camera. which then raises the thing like do i enjoy and this was a conversation i had with genevieve this weekend like do i enjoy things or do i just enjoy being done with things which is a you know obviously a pretty terrible way to live your life if that's how you look at it but i gotta admit

that's sort of how i've been feeling lately you will finally be relaxed when you're in an urn yeah right when you've gotten rid of this corporeal form right right and you can finally and no one's making you go to anything or stand on a... I was saying this to Becca. Actually, it's funny because I think I was contemplating the same stuff this week and I was saying to Becca I'm really stressed about this week but also it's like what are my jobs? My jobs, I'm so lucky to have them. They are to go ask questions and find out about this interesting thing which is this real estate sign which came to symbolize all this other stuff. It's like a meta conversation about America and fame and the film industry. That's one of my days. I said, I'm also going to talk to my buddy each day for an hour. By the way, you were my buddy in that, just so you know. When I'm not running you down via email that I think you don't know about, I'm actually really hyping you up. I'm really gassing you up. But seriously, this is actually really fun for me, just to get to talk to you. I enjoy this part of my job life. And then on Saturday night, we're going to enter a stage, and a bunch of people are going to be there clapping, being like, we like what you all are doing. The fact that if I don't like this stuff, I'm not going to like anything ever. This is as good as it gets for a person in terms of what their job responsibilities are, which is stand on a stage and have a bunch of people approve of you. That's like, there's, I mean, from this window, I can see 15 people doing jobs that I wouldn't survive at, like just in the Playa del Rey area. And like if this is the kind of thing, if I can't I guess my point is if I can't be present in the moment, if I can't actually be like, man, this four thousands is going to be it's going to be really special. Then there's something something else going on with me. But I think for me, here's what it is. When you and John and I have really, really locked in the plan, when we've tested all the tech and when when once like the show is once we've we've sort of like, again, got it all ready to go. and I've got all my notes and my little printouts and my audio is loaded and we have a really good plan for what we're doing probably at like, you know, a couple of hours before the show, I think then I'll start to feel a certain calm because then it'll just be like, you know, we're kind of ready to go and it is what it is. And in the moment too, I don't know how you feel, but when we're on stage and if we're talking and one of us makes a joke and if the audience laughs or if there's a good moment, that fills me with real happiness when it's happening. It's not like I'm not gritting it out when I'm up there, but I just I also think you and I really want these things to go well. And I think that's part of it, too, like because this, you know, this we've talked about this kind of thing in advance of other, you know, live shows that we've done. And I think our I think the the amount of dread that we feel is only because we really, really would like it to go well. We would like it to be entertaining.

We would like the people who have bought a ticket and come out to get what they're paying for and to have a really good experience. like I don't I will never be able to understand performers who don't get nervous before they perform because I mean maybe they've just reached some other sort of zen state with things but I just think the nervousness I was listening to Sarah Jessica Parker being interviewed on the Howard Stern show recently and she was saying the same thing she was saying she gets nervous before everything she ever films and she says she doesn't understand how to not care like she doesn't understand i just be like it'll be fine even though she's done made thousands of hours of of television and movies and and should just be like i know how this is going to go i've done it so many times she's like i just don't know how to make my brain not care about this which then makes her brain nervous and then she gets over it so i think that's kind of how you and i operate yeah you're the sarah jessica parkers of podcast that's what i've always said of course she's got

to have her own podcast too right um no but she's a big podcast listener and can i tell you andrew

I was like, what are the chances she's about to say TBTL? Because Aster and Aster, what podcast do you listen to? And I was like, God, please let it be TBTL. Listener, it wasn't.

Did you finish your thought? Yeah, I don't think you finished your thought.

I'm going to finish it, but everyone's going to be like, really? We came back to this? This was that important? What I was going to say is, it's interesting to me that this movie, Oppenheimer, is such a blockbuster because it feels like wouldn't you say six months ago if you were walking down any street in america and you pulled 20 people i would be amazed if three of them knew who oppenheimer was like it's not

You

like a movie called like einstein although weird al yankovic did have a really great thread about it he said i saw oppenheimer was not a fan albert einstein didn't stick his tongue out even once that's really funny but like but like you know i just it's it's an intro i i will never understand and here i am in you know here in hollyweird andrew in fact this is a very appropriate week for me to be thinking about these things um with this tv story i'm working on but it's just weird to me the movies that for some reason capture the imagination of enough people that they want to go to the theater and the ones that don't like for instance christopher nolan made that movie tenant which apparently was kind

of a big flop right like yeah why did that one least right like the one of the big only big releases in the pandemic and i think that was a big backlash too was like it was very confusing very long people felt it was very unsatisfying and a lot of people said this was the first time i left my house in two and a half years or whatever it was a year and a half i guess at that point um and so that was kind of part of it too i mean i'm not i'm not the biggest christopher nolan fan actually i've seen a lot of the films but honestly i think that he could use an editor

well that was a really good that's a really good point about the tenant thing um so maybe i'll take that back because that had a lot of other uh what would you call it exogenous circumstances going on but he had a lot of waggage it sure did now that might be in the top 10 tv show titles

a lot of waggage we we reclaimed the top the solid top 10 um but anyway it's just it's it

just feels like i mean it just feels like a kind of a specific character in history who you know like for instance when um when they made the movie about Stephen Hawking starring Eddie Redmayne and I know that was a very well-received film I think he might have even won an Oscar for it um uh it was a I mean and it was because because we kind of know who Stephen Hawking was I feel like he's a person who was big in the pop culture and and like you know again if you take those 20 people I'm saying like 15 of them know who Stephen Hawking maybe more 18 of them know who Stephen Hawking is again I think like three of those people know who Oppenheimer was and yet somehow this is been presented in a way that a significant portion of Americans are like oh yeah that's where I want to go spend my $15 on this Saturday and Sunday and I just I mean honestly it's I think it's kind of good like I'm just I'm surprised that it's worked out as well as it has considering it being a fairly I don't know niche topic well it's kind of part of the

kind of rah rah America right like isn't it about how like we built a good weapon and won the war and like America I mean is again I haven't I haven't read anything I'm joking I mean I think

well I don't know a very complicated relationship well they don't even show that they don't show

what happens with the bomb yeah yeah I read I read a pretty lengthy review in the Seattle Times which by the way this is um I'm gonna start another been doing this a lot today I don't know if you can tell but I've been starting sentences not knowing if they're interesting or not and turns out a lot of them aren't um but i found myself this lunchtime scrolling through the seattle times and they had a big review of oppenheimer i guess just last friday or something and i'm reading it and you know again it's pretty lengthy and then i'm like i scroll to the top because i want to see oh who what national publication is the seattle times borrowing this from is this like a new york times writer because you know that often happens um and it was actually moira it was yeah and it Maura McDonald? McDonald, yeah, yeah. Great writer. Local critic for the Seattle Times. And I was like, oh, wow, it's so rare that I read a local review of a big Hollywood blockbuster movie, and it was really well written. So I don't know that I was familiar with that byline before that.

Good for the Seattle Times, at least in this case, for keeping around some journalists. But I know exactly what you mean, which is for anything that's considered even slightly, i don't want to say trivial but slightly expendable like the you know your film critic if you get to like if you know the la times has a film critic the new york times does the washington post does but you start to get down to like you know more mid-level newspapers and they might have they might just farm it out like might be a person who does you know contributes like they're a freelancer um so it's nice to see that because moira mcdonald is a really good film writer and has been for a long time and it's nice to see that the seattle times still sees the value in that being a staffed position there.

I guess what's more relevant, though, to the conversation aside from the byline was it does sound like the review makes it seem like a very intriguing movie and that it kind of it handles it handles things well. I mean, one ding for me on Christopher Nolan is just like, again, they're they're too long. They're too spirally. But this might be because this is rooted in. real complicated story like i feel like nolan can actually tell it well by taking the time to tell it right as opposed to just something that is kind of like is it a dream or isn't it right it's not

in he's not incepting yeah oppenheimer or something like that or whatever i mean i guess i would say about christopher nolan now that you kind of put some context around tenant which is useful to think about i mean he's had i he most of his movies have been huge huge hits the batman movies inception um i mean i actually i really i remember memento really blowing my mind back in the day

um so i mean what's the um i'm sorry what is the uh the the famous pop patrol 2 dunkirk dunkirk dunkirk oh did you see that was amazing yeah i don't remember that much about it i saw it in the theater once and i remember seeing it by myself and um it was a real it was an amazing thing to see on the big screen i went in with like basically like no expectations i wasn't really sure what i was walking into i don't even know if i knew it was christopher nolan at the time i feel like i must have but um yeah i mean i i want to see that movie again but like i don't want to see it on anything but a big screen right because i mean the visuals of that

battle right are just like incredible the way that they're presented yeah are you going to see the

barbie movie as well yeah i think so i'm hearing good things about that apparently it won the box office this weekend um and that definitely seems like something up my alley um like i said i don't think i'm going to be able to see it before before dunkirk before oppenheimer but yeah eventually i definitely want to see that but again i have to see it in the theater i don't have the patience to watch movies at home and so if i miss the theater release then i probably will never see the movie um but i think barbie will be out there for a while it was a by the way i'm sorry i'm sliding all over the place with this conversation but like it was a hell of a weekend in Seattle and I kind of love the energy even for a bunch of things that I'm not that into but like you know I did go to the baseball game on Friday I think I mentioned that to you on Friday show that I was heading down there but like you know all these things that have been in the paper like oh Taylor Swift is coming to town and the Barbie movie and the Oppenheimer movie and like all this stuff like there was such energy in the city this weekend it was kind of cool like everywhere I was you saw big flocks of people getting off of buses and pouring out of cars and uh in their sparkly gear to head to the taylor swift concert which i again like from a cultural standpoint like i'm i just don't have any i'm not like a big fan of taylor swift i don't know many songs or anything but like it was just i think i got sort of a contact glitter high from all that stuff it was really cool to see everybody just like really just enjoying this beautiful city and this beautiful like the weather held up it was just like it just seemed like a special weekend here

yeah in portland everyone was dressing up like oppenheimer yeah and so it just looked like a community had descended yeah on on portland um i was viewing a lot of that uh through my lens on society which is tiktok and which which is to say like i was kind of scrolling tiktok a little bit this weekend and i just kept getting basically like connected up with people who were live streaming from the taylor swift show at lumen field and it was really interesting i mean i would let it roll so I would watch it for like you know three or four minutes because you're right it was such a spectacle and I don't really feel like me watching this person pointing their cell phone at this gigantic video screen that was showing Taylor Swift I don't think I was losing a lot of the experience like I could hear the music just fine I could kind of see what was going on it actually really sort of brought me there in this cinema verite sort of like way like I was like, wow, I'm just like I'm traveling to this place and this experience via a bunch of people who are there with their phones. It was it was an interesting way to kind of see what was going on. But I did feel like somehow, I guess because I grew up in Seattle and I do like Taylor Swift. I don't know a lot of her music either, but I, you know, I'm a fan of her existing and I'm a fan of her bringing joy to people's lives. There was something about like arguably right now one of the most famous people on earth being in a stadium in my hometown that made me feel weirdly like energized. Like Taylor Swift knows that there's a place called Seattle. Like why did that make me why did that make me a 47 year old dad type like kind of feel a little bit of a charge. what i did i was like i was because it's just anytime this you know eras tour drops into some town that town becomes part of the cultural conversation or at least the pop cultural conversation for that weekend or whatever and it was like it's almost like when seattle had the all-star game or you know what i mean like when your town and i still really consider seattle to be my town when your town is the locus or the center of where whatever the big thing is happening

is happening it just kind of it feels exciting yeah definitely viz and i were playing a game on the bus um both to and back from the baseball game we were um actually that's not true my apologies this doesn't matter but i i went to the game myself and met up with genevieve so it was only on the way back if anybody wanted to catch me in a lie you could have there but it's only on the way In fact, Vives and I were playing the game, is it a Barbie thing or a Taylor Swift thing? Because on Friday night, there wasn't a Taylor Swift concert yet, but they still had, like, things were already popping up downtown in the Pioneer Square, like, kind of arena area of town. Like, there was a big merch tent for Taylor Swift's, like, merch that already had a huge line. This was the day before the concert, and it was, like, official merch. that there's this big, huge tour van thing or bus thing that was pulled up that had Taylor Swift stuff all over and people were milling about. And I couldn't exactly tell what the deal with that thing was. I was telling Veeves, I thought it'd be hilarious if Taylor Swift is just like, you know what, I'm going to sleep in Lumen Field tonight. She's like, I need to be, because I don't really know what it's like there. And I don't want to be late for the concert tomorrow. So I'm just going to set up a cot on Friday night and sleep inside Lumen Field. I assume how she did it.

Because that's what you would do

if you were playing lumen field right exactly i want to be close view it yeah exactly stay inside yeah be close to it like i don't know i could stay in i could i could stay in queen anne hill

but i just should be like i don't really i don't want to deal with parking i don't want to be stressed about parking on the day of the concert and stuff like that i just want to be able to just be there already like have all my stuff have tested all my laptops and just be like know that

everything works i don't want any kind of unknowns introduced but it really was fun though because people would come on the bus and sometimes you couldn't just I think I said this to you maybe off air as inarticulately as I'm going to say it here on air but like there's just sort of like this this sort of energy around the summer I feel like maybe you and I didn't have this conversation I've been trying to like kind of I've been trying to put words to this feeling I'm having but like you can see somebody come on the bus dressed all in all kinds of pink and it could be in celebration of a concert a movie or just liking pink like that's also just where we are this summer i just feel like this is going to be one of those summers that we can just look back on as being sort of a fun cultural moment maybe almost in the same way that like um i remember batman being a huge cultural moment that was more than just something on the screen you know i remember people getting batman haircuts and everybody wore batman it was just like it was something so huge and i was even pretty late to seeing the movie um and there are other moments like that too not just related to film and i just sort of was getting this feeling of just like oh man what a weekend this is and what a what a vibe the summer of 2023 is and part of that probably is because we you know because of what we all did just live through as a society where we couldn't go out for a long time yeah

exactly i think that it's it's it's the maybe the first summer and i could have my timing up maybe last summer you know things were also very relaxed but yeah it does feel energetically like something something's going on this summer you're right where it's just like for for those of us who are fortunate enough to you know to not be particularly worried about covid right now maybe because of not having pre-existing conditions and things like that and just being out in the world and everything a lot of stuff just feels like it's kind of it's sort of re-energized in a certain way i'm also just watching andrew as you said that four people walk down the street outside my hotel room three of them head to toe pink yeah i mean now maybe it's also just an in style color it is yeah that's what i mean but like because i as far as i know taylor swift is not

playing lax today is she and is she even like me even saying the pink thing like i'm not even sure that i'm right about that like is there i don't think that that's a particularly taylor swift

i don't think these folks are going to see the barbie movie somewhere yeah probably area that

i'm in but generally feeling it just feels like generally speaking it just sort of feels like a

pink summer sort of it does and everyone's talking about the tbtl 4000th episode exactly it's just it's that's i mean that'll be i mean that'll be one of the things that people reflect on when we think about the summer of 2023 i think so yeah hello and welcome to top story uh all right uh here's the top story from my life right now andrew which is uh that i have i officially told the apartment building i live in in portland that i'm uh moving at the end of the month that i'm i'm decamping from portland and i'm going full time from the at the river house studios perched high above the mighty columbia river and the reason that that has me nervous is because the river house studios aka this other house that i bought is so such a construction zone right now with no real like super clear end in sight like i i have to i have to try to just like tell myself that there will be a day in which there are like floors and like uh sheetrock on the ceiling and like electrical outlets and things like that but as of right now it's not there and i just decided well i decided two things one it was far too expensive to

you maintain two households. Um, and, uh, and, and, and also too, I think part of why everything is taking so long at the other places cause I don't live there. And so I'm either in Portland a lot or I'm traveling for this kind of work stuff or whatever, but I kind of feel like if I'm living there, if I wake up every morning, by the way, my sleeping quarters as of right now are an air mattress that is slowly losing air throughout the night. Now it is the kind that has a, like, um, a pump built in but what it means is i have to it's like i'm it's like i have a new baby and i have to wake up every three hours to feed it except the baby is the air mattress when are you well when are your bunk beds showing up um as soon as i'm sorry creighton barrel sends them when are our bunk beds showing up did we just become best friends i've already got the chewbacca pez dispenser there so we can reenact every scene from stepbrothers but i am i am legitimately worried about this because the apartment that i live in in portland for all my complaints about that building um it's it's a nice apartment like it's a you know it's it's newly built it's comfortable uh it's right in a easy part of portland where i can walk to everything it's just like if it were free i would live there indefinitely i would just kind of keep going the way things are but it is not free and what it means is i'm about to kind of like and look lots of people have moved this happens all the time but i'm like sort of i'm stepping off of one thing which is this you know nice comfortable climate control department generally except the other day when the ac seemed to be on the fritz but i'm like leaving that for living in a rural place in like so there are two things there are two things there's the place where tbtl is going to emanate from which is this adu slash studio which right now is a was a garage and now it's just a big empty box granted it's like a much nicer box than it used to be but there's no like there's nothing in there there's no there's a bathroom with no toilet in it you know it's just a big empty room basically and then the the other house the house itself is also just a big empty room with like a minimally functioning kitchen and then like the room where my dad and i hang out and watch the you know stolen bbc content and this is going to be the reality of my life Like, there are no closets right now. Like, I have to get some of those, like, you know, whatever you call them, kind of like rolling things that you can hang clothes on and stuff. Like a wardrobe, but, like, you know, just one of those kind of, like, bare bones ones. Like, again, the kitchen. I had them at one point because I had this one contractor who kind of double-crossed me. And in order to try to recoup some of the money I'd paid him, I just had his guys do a bunch of demo. and one of the things I had them do there were these hardwood floors that had like a really weird finish on them that I thought was part of why it smelled there was a weird chemical smell

in the house for like two years and I can really pick them by the way just in case you're wondering and I thought it might be related to these floors that had like an odd like stain on them that didn't look like anything else I'd ever seen like they were stained a weird color and I didn't know if like that was part of what was off gassing so i had these guys sand sand these floors down but then the sander kept breaking apparently i don't know because the floor was so weird that they mostly sanded them but what i now have are like have you ever been to mcsorley's in new york city the the oldest bar in new york city no no my uh it's when you walk into mcsorley's i don't know what it's like now but back in the day when you'd walk into mcsorley's because it was so old and that was kind of part of their charm the hardwood floors were like more sawdust than floor like they they felt like there was no finish on them like they were just like a almost like a raw piece of wood and there would be like dust that would come up and and just like like if you were to walk around in bare feet you'd end up with a bunch of stuff stuck to your feet right that's the floor in the kitchen so like I have to either be wearing like tennis shoes or have to sweep the kitchen like four times a day just to have it even be moderately like so it's a construct I guess my point is it is a construction zone and I guess my hope is that if I'm gonna be there every day it will help me it will force me to get this thing worked out one way or the other because I cannot go on for another like two years in this just kind of like limbo but it's I mean it's gonna be a really big change of pace and change of life for me and I'm I'm I've thought maybe I could get out of it so I had had this thought because I emailed them and I said hey I'm gonna this this will be my notice to you that I am vacating my my unit but then I thought well what if I change my mind maybe I'll suck it up and just pay rent for one more month which is basically what I've been doing for the last six months every month

month when it's time that I should actually like just do this thing, I go, I kind of wimp out and I just go like, well, maybe I'll just do one more month because I don't want to deal with it. But on Saturday night, oh, this is a whole other crazy story. Saturday night, I decided to order some pizza. And I realized as the pizza person was getting close to my place that my phone was on like one percent power and then right as i could see the little icon right as their car was like arriving my phone died completely i'm sorry and where where are you i'm sitting on the couch in

my apartment okay and so but but you don't have a charger i did um i have a charger in my apartment

but i just didn't i wasn't paying attention to the phone battery life and then when i looked at it was like one percent and then i was like i should probably deal with this and then before i got up my lazy butt off the couch it just died and that was right about when the person was showing up so I was like okay fine so I leave my phone now here's the thing my phone is also how I open the door to my apartment most of the time because I have one of those smart locks that I can lock and unlock my door with my phone and in case I were to ever like lose my phone or my phone were to die when I was out in the wider world I also smartly Andrew have hidden a key somewhere in my apartment building that is the key to my front door. So that's my backup plan. Like if it ever, you know, if it ever becomes a problem, I could always just let myself go get the key and then we can get in. So I go downstairs. I'm in kind of a hurry. I want to make sure I'm meeting the guy because now I think maybe he's been standing out in the lobby for a while. I get downstairs. The guy's there. I don't have my phone with me. I don't have my watch on. I'm in flip flops, shorts and a T-shirt. Look and fly. and I get the pizza and stuff and I go back upstairs and I think okay I gotta go grab because I don't have my phone it's dead I gotta grab my little spare key guy grab the key take it to the door it's not fitting for some reason I'm thinking okay maybe I gotta do it upside down I had hidden the wrong key Andrew it was not the key to the front door it was from a thing just a different apartment or an older apartment it was just a key that looked similar um I think yeah I think it relates to it might actually relate to the house at the other house the house i'm moving to but it was just at some point when i thought i was hiding the correct key i was hiding

the wrong key like i was like oh my god it worked like when you just said i went and i got the key and like that it sounded so simple as like i i couldn't believe i thought maybe you were going to go get your key and there's going to be like oh everybody else had the same idea and there are a million keys in there now like wherever you're hiding this thing but oh my god so this is the first time you've used this backup plan you go to get your key you're like huh clever boy and then

so proud of myself and then it's the wrong key it's the wrong key and i'm holding uh i'm holding a domino's a thin crust domino's pizza i'm holding some loaded tots andrew i'm holding a two liter of diet coke and that's it i don't have my phone i don't have anything and it's probably like six o'clock at night or something and i know there's nobody there's a little kind of there's an office and a front desk in this building, but like there's nobody there at six o'clock. But there is a little sign that says basically like if you have a security issue, call this phone number. So I go get in the elevator and a very nice older gal gets in with me and I say, hey, this is, I'm sorry to do this, but could I maybe borrow your cell phone? I locked myself out of my apartment. And because by the way, the thing about my smart lock is it's so smart that it automatically locks behind you after a certain amount of time. That's the only way this could happen. And everybody who I talked to about this throughout the next hour of my life was like well how did your wait huh how is your door locked if you don't have the key and I'm like because I have this smart lock on there um because the smart lock

thing is is it um standard on every apartment or this is something you installed I put it on there after oh I don't think I realized that or now that you say it I remember that but for the sake of the story I realize yes so all the people in the apartment building don't understand the

situation like normal people just carry their keys around and they just deal with it but I don't like trust myself with that i don't want to have like very i don't know i just i thought it'll be easier if my phone gets me in and out of my apartment and generally it has been but i said to this nice older person i was like hey could i borrow your phone she's like oh i don't have my phone with me and i thought well that's generational although i i guess i also didn't have my phone but so then i guess she also might not have wanted to give it to you that's also possible i've said surely if i see surely again i will have words so i get down to the lobby and then And I see this other person who she's coming, she's over by the mail thing and I go up to her and I go, Hey, I'm, I'm so sorry. Could I just borrow your cell phone for a moment? I live here. I locked myself out. I have to call that number that's on the desk and see if I can get somebody to let me into the apartment. so she's like oh yeah totally no problem like thankfully i got like the nicest person in the building kendra was her name so i call the number and immediately i know this is not going to be good because it's not like it rings to the office or to uh i don't know somebody's pager or someone's cell phone who is the on-duty person it clearly goes to another country and the person in the other country explains to me that i need to wait until monday morning when the office opens up to get in or i need to call a locksmith these are my two options and i'm just like totally devastated because i am not set up for this right now i was like watching the mariners game like i'm like in a whole other uh or about to watch the mariners game i'm in a whole other state of mind right and uh so i asked kendra hey could i call a locksmith from your phone And she's like, yeah, totally, no problem. I go, would you like a loaded tot? Because I brought the loaded tots with me from up at my apartment because I was still hungry, so I was eating. I'm doing this whole thing while I'm also casually eating loaded tots

out of the Domino's box. But wait a second, so where's the pizza?

It's sitting in front of my door.

You've dropped off the pizza sitting in front of your door.

Yeah, I don't want to carry all of it around with me, but I wasn't going to not eat the loaded tots.

Let me ask you a question. um all of these questions might sound i'm being quite serious here i'm not being judgy with my questions i'm really not but because i do things i i navigate my life very differently than you there are just a lot of questions that pop up here when you were leaving your apartment and you realized okay my phone is a brick right now there's no point in bringing that but i'll let the door lock behind me but i'll go get my secret key that was all part of the plan as you were

leaving the apartment right i think it was in the back of my mind that was the plan i hadn't really thought it through because sometimes adding to the complexity i will answer your question andrew adding to the complexity sometimes the door doesn't lock believe it or not like when i come back to my apartment i've been gone for a long time there are times when the door is locked and I have to use my phone to unlock it there are other times I'd say 40% of the time where the door just never locked for some reason it's not even a this is why it's such a great system it's not a given that it will auto lock it's supposed to do that but it doesn't always so I think my thought was eh will the door lock I don't know if it does I have my hidden key like I just I should have brought my phone because that would have been a redundancy because what would have been fine would be like heaven forbid this all happens and at least if i have my phone i could find some way to charge it and then once my phone has any juice i'm back in business so i didn't i sort of casually had the plan you described but i didn't i wasn't thinking it through i panicked i wanted to get my loaded tots and i just kind of like i did something stupid so

my question though that i was really leading up to was and again this is gonna sound like well why didn't you just do this? But I saw an episode as a kid of the young and the restless. My mom was watching it and it was very titillating because I believe I've mentioned this on the show before somebody, I believe when skinny dipping or something, and then somebody stole their clothes while they were skinny dipping or doing something naked in public. And now this person was stuck in, in public naked. And I think that just put the fear of God in me. Like I never want to be caught without my shoes on in public. Right. So I'm,

you realize Andrew, I am in the hotel room right now. I'm in the hotel room where the last time I was here, I locked myself in the antechamber in my underwear.

In your underwear, right. So anyway, just because of my paranoia, possibly somewhat produced by an episode of The Young and the Restless, of being locked out of some place, I would just keep keys by the door. I know that you usually use your phone, but I'm just kind of surprised you don't have a little hook. And you're just like, well, I'm going to go grab this pizza. I'll just grab this key here and not rely on my secret hidden key.

Well, the reason is because I don't have multiple keys. I only have one. They only give you one when you move in. And I felt like hiding it outside of the apartment was the safer choice had I hidden the correct key. But I know what you mean. I mean, there are so many ways that I should have had a better system. And that's exactly what I should have done. It's just have, like, emergency keys. And they sit by the front door. And if I ever need to leave the apartment, I just grab, I mean, you know, kind of in a hurry, I grab those. That's what I should have had.

Was there a whole drama about you wanting more keys and they wouldn't provide them or you had to pay a lot of money?

That was more fobs at my old place. And then a listener, I forget, maybe listener Grace in New York. I remember the fob thing. Hipped me to something called Key Me, which is amazing. And you just take your fob. If anybody lives in a building where you have like a fob and they don't want to give you more of them, you can go to this kiosk. It scans. it and then they'll just send you whatever you want uh and it'll work to get you in your building

or whatever so um so either way so you didn't have an extra key here so that's why i didn't

plan yeah i did it was this is not a great plan but i'm sitting now in the lobby with kendra we're like oh did kendra take the tot no kendra politely declined which you know honestly we're going to eat a loaded tot from a stranger who doesn't have a cell phone to their name um so i call so then i just like do the thing i would never do in normal life which is i just google like locksmith near me because like that's going to shunt me through some other service right that's not just going to like connect me with like greg's locksmiths it's going to be some intermediary who has figured out seo you know what i mean and their whole thing is like I call this number and sure enough I'm not calling some locksmith in Portland it's just somebody who's answering a phone somewhere again not in the United States of America who's then sending the message back to Portland at some point hopefully to get me a locksmith and they go okay we'll find you a locksmith but they're going to call you back to confirm and I go I don't have a phone you can't call me back on this number it's not my phone and they said well they have to call you back i said could you please try to have them do it in the next one minute and then i go kendra can i borrow your phone for one more minute and she goes yeah totally no problem and uh and so i was like all right so i hang up and i'm just in one of those moments which luckily i guess i don't have a ton of these in my adult life although when i do i certainly talk about it on the show but i just had one of those moments where i was like i don't really know what my next move is like i'm like I'm just I don't have my obviously I don't have my wallet I'm in shorts and flip-flops and a t-shirt I don't have my phone I like I have I'm stripped of everything that I use to navigate my world right now and I'm just at the mercy of someone who's being nice enough to let me call a locksmith but then it's like okay when the locksmith calls back and confirms then I give the phone back to Kendra Kendra goes back to her life I'm then like just gonna have to sit I can't even sit in the lobby because from the lobby like the comfortable couches you can't see the front door of the apartment building and i'm gonna need to stand there and wait until someone who looks like a locksmith shows up because there's no way for me to communicate with this person right like it's just such a bad situation and then the door opens from the stairwell and who walks out the guy from the building who i don't really like so much oh right the guy who was kind of rude to the kind of grumpy guy who i forget what it was but something kept breaking and he his response was it's not my fault yeah right it was like the elevators weren't working or something yeah he's a guy who doesn't have maybe the 100 greatest knack for interpersonal communication if you will and this is all so i go i go are you an angel from heaven and he goes what

that's i mean that's how it was like i was floating in the middle of the ocean

you say are those astronaut pants because your ass is out of this world he's like wait what oh sorry i used the wrong turn of phrase there

do you believe in love at first sight or should i walk by again i was like i would i was like marry me i was like i will like this guy who works for the building appearing randomly because the service that i had called did not call him he came downstairs because he was also getting food delivered

did you give him a loaded is kendra here still or is kendra is kendra still here okay kendra's

still here because i'm waiting for the locksmith to call me back she's lucky too then yeah okay Oh, dude, I know. Her life just got a lot less annoying. I offered him a loaded tot. He also declined. No one would accept a loaded tot for their hassle. But I just looked at him and I was like, oh, my God, I got locked out. And I was having to call a locksmith because basically the deal is he lives in the building. He also said to me, this is where I think it's like kind of the dynamic is. Well, I don't know what the dynamic is, but what he did say to me at some point, he goes, you know, I've lived in the building for three years. and my answer was I didn't realize that because I didn't I don't really monitor this guy's comings and goings but I think also and I totally understand this by the way also I'm sure that when they signed him on to manage the building or be one of the managers he was like yeah but when it's Saturday night and Sunday if there's a problem no one's calling me like I'm not going to be running around on a Saturday trying to let people into their you know what I mean like even though he lives there like I would have thought somebody who works for the building lives here and part of the remuneration for them having their apartment is that on a Saturday night if someone gets locked

out they are reachable that is clearly not the system that has been decided on for this building in other words i only made contact with him because he came downstairs to get his typhoon

okay but i'm confused so at the beginning of episode one season four of fargo no um i'm confused about the story you're telling now which is he sort of said this to you like well you know i live here as in why didn't you reach out directly to me but you're saying that he lives

there but probably doesn't want to be reached out to yes i think the rules are probably like i mean when i called when i called the phone number that's at the empty front desk it did not like send me to his cell phone it sent me to a person who my sense was was not in the united states who was just looking at a script and what they read from the script was you'll need to wait until monday morning when the office opens or you'll need to call a locksmith so in other words they didn't go oh here's the cell phone number of the on-site manager and here's how you reach them like that wasn't which which tells me that the that the the the rules are or the whatever you want to call it the plan is not that this guy who ended up he did help me by the way but the plan is not generally for him to be sort of quote-unquote on call right no i understand that but i think

the interesting dynamic here though is is maybe well here but what i find interesting is the fact that he then says to you though in a way that's almost like maybe somewhat like well you know we're bros right like a little bit like well hey you know I live here like and almost in this way and this is going to maybe take it a step deeper than it needs to be but in a certain way like you told this story on the show a while back where you were I don't know yeah again the elevators were broken it was something you were looking for some help and he was kind of like I don't know and was just kind of like just kind of blew it off and then I think you had an interaction with him later that sort of redeemed that I think and it was more of a pleasant interaction, if I recall. And now here you are, and he's like, well, yeah, I'll help you out. And I'm just wondering if, in a certain way, you've been seeing him and telling these stories on the show, but even if you didn't have a podcast, we all have these sort of interpretations of the people around us and our lives, neighbors, superintendents, what have you, that maybe he was seeing you a little bit more than you were seeing him, if that makes sense that's a weird way of putting it but like that he's kind of like well i'm i'm i'm here like i live here why didn't you just knock on my door it sort of sounds like i think

that was mildly the energy although i wouldn't have known how to knock on his door yeah and i agree with you i think you described it exactly i think there might be it might be the case that this person's seeing me a little bit more than i'm seeing them and i actually don't know to what degree this person is aware of my of my uh you know my life one time i was talking to somebody in the office about something and i said well could you make sure it was like they were testing the fire alarms and i said could you make sure they don't um like test between you know nine and eleven or whatever in the morning and she said oh yeah because you're the one with the like the podcast or something right and i was like yeah like i wonder what that information i wonder how widely circulated that information is you know like sort of within the staff of the building and the other thing and this is really where i'm going with all this if i'd thought that i could kind of like pretend like i didn't actually want to move out at the end of july slash early august if i wanted to kind of just be like maybe i'll just pay rent for one more month as i was chatting with this this guy in the lobby goes oh yeah you're moving out soon aren't you i was like oh and it was like so he definitely knows he knows my name he knows that i'm moving out like this is you know this he's aware of like he's aware of of me i don't know if he's aware of this show or anything like that but he's he's aware of of the fact that i have put in my notice and i don't know if they already have someone else lined up to move in it was weird though because for all that was going on in that moment for me which was mostly relief that i was going to be able to get back into my apartment i also had this moment of realizing like okay we have now officially cut the cord here yeah yeah there's no going back like there's no there in the words of katie perry there's no going back like uh this is yeah this is like this is happening and the wheels are in motion things are you know i am going to whether i like it or not i'm going to have to live uh the next however many months of my life in a very different scenario than i'm living right now i'm going to be further away from becca i'm going to be further away from the comforts of portland i'm going to be in a totally different deal and this is now happening and there's no this is one one doodle that can't be undid as rain wilson says in juno and for some reason that was one of the biggest takeaways from that whole thing on saturday night was oh yeah yeah no this is this is happening this train is

leaving the station yeah i had that feeling a couple of times not to over obsess on this but uh when we were leaving american public media there were various steps and i think one of them was as corny as this sounds. sounds like i think when i sent we were still technically with the company but we sent out our our first i don't know what it was i we sent out maybe our first tbtl email that was going to be like from now on it's coming from here like forget about that other email like from now on like we're just doing we're just we're podcasters doing it ourselves you know and i just kind of like and i had several of those moments where it was it wasn't a bad feeling but i think i described it to you once on the show is almost like this feeling is sort of floating in space a little bit like that's it like they're not I mean once we gave our notice it wasn't like we were I couldn't imagine a scenario where we'd say hey we've made a terrible mistake can you welcome us back into the fold I don't think that was ever really on the table but there were still moments that were kind of like I guess a bit of feeling unmoored but in a good exciting way but just saying that like oh this is us we make all of our own decisions now and and maybe that's somewhat it's similar to like you're like well I've been building towards this thing it's been a reality for a while it's been a public reality like but now like I've sort of like you said I've sort of cut that thing off and now I'm sort of floating in space towards this towards this destination and

there's no turning back yeah I mean I think I've had this tremendous amount of privilege which is I've been having this you know in fits and starts this remodeling project but I you know anytime I need to i can go back to a very comfortable spot in portland and you know have all of the creature comforts of like a recently built you know apartment building it's like staying in a nice hotel or something and now to know that like so if i wake up you know if i if i spend a few nights up at the other house it's just like okay but this isn't my real life like this is just i'm on a little adventure but like you know starting in early august it's gonna be my real life and it's going to be like i'm going to have to i mean like just i mean this is really going to be where i live and i'm really going to have to just kind of like you know make the best of it and and uh and yeah that feeling of like you said floating in space or being like this i've now started something i've started a chain reaction in it's not unlike oppenheimer andrew and i think he probably felt very much the same way when he put in his notice at his apartment which is i've created a chain

reaction which might end human life and now i don't have to see the movie thank you actually You saved me some IMAX tickets there. Let me ask you a question. I guess we have months to talk about this, and you probably want to shift focus to the CBS gig you got to go do. But speaking of CBS and all of the travels you do, is it going to be much more difficult to get to airports from your new location, knowing that it's in a more rural area? Or is driving in the city kind of that takes up a lot of time anyway, so it's kind of a wash?

It's not a wash. it's a little bit further but it's not like it's not uh like a ridiculous change and like you know i actually live very the place i have in portland is pretty close to the airport actually so it's very convenient it might be like a 15 20 minute drive this is going to be more like a 40 minute drive now which you know considering how much i end up traveling that's not you know nothing but it's not like when i lived in port townsend uh you know that was like half of the day would be taken up trying to get to sea tech airport and that was why that was not really kind of like uh tenable for me over time this is not like that this will just take more planning and it'll you know be a little bit a little bit less convenient but not like not like i'm losing half of a day to

get to the airport at least there's that here i go once again with the email every week i hope it from a female no man it's not from a female all right you got an email or v-mail that's

of interest yeah i think so i'm gonna play this voicemail for you here from listener alex who i think does a pretty good job of setting it up but um just in case the phone quality isn't super great uh i'll i'll i'll pre-iterate what alex is setting up here which is um on the show a while back we talked about netflix cracking down on password sharing and um and then what we realized was a bunch of people were kind of getting kicked off of their family plans if they weren't staying in the house where the main wi-fi was for the for the core netflix plan or whatever um and people were like oh i guess i lost my netflix oh well and then you mentioned that in the days following these people who thought they were kicked off their plans actually were back on their plans but paying a lot more money for some sort of a Netflix premium account that nobody signed up for. And were you even were you one of those people who might have gotten gotten roped into paying more for your Netflix or is it just people in your life?

No, it was me. I got a bill from Netflix that was like, I don't know, I want to say like maybe almost twenty dollars more than I'd been paying. And I was confused. And then I went and I looked in my account and I had the like highest level of.

netflix dome which i don't need i'm not sharing my password with a bunch of people so i wondered if they had like when they did the shift if maybe they just like bumped people to a different level i mean legally i don't know if they can do that but it was weird okay take a listen to this from

listener alex this is alex in chicago and i was listening to today's episode and luke was talking

about how the netflix got upgraded to supreme netflix without his knowledge or possibly without his knowledge but probably with his consent and i think i know how it happened so about three days after they kicked everybody off of the netflix accounts there was a pop-up when you logged into netflix and if you just blasted through it without looking at it it defaulted to say would you like to upgrade your account to whatever their tier with sharing services is and the default on the remote was to okay you had to actually click over and clear this pop-up out and this has popped up on me for uh three times now since they've done this and i keep having to watch to blast away the right way and not accidentally upgrade my account to uh supreme netflix just because they have a pop-up that comes up on the screen and i want to get to my you know wednesday out of viewing or whatnot have a good day pretty sure that's what happens bye as an uncle might say isn't that some

shit and also if you know me the chances are roughly one thousand percent that that's exactly

what i did yeah but although for anybody though you're like sitting down to watch tv at the end of the day a pop-up you go to clear it and if you just hit okay like it defaults to upgrading it Like, that is, well, as I said, that is some shit, man. That is so, that is bad business practice.

Totally. And I'm surprised there hasn't been more dust kicked up over that from folks. You know what I mean? I mean, again, strictly speaking, it's legal because I guess I, you know, I have the ability to take two minutes and read something and see what I'm blasting through. I do like, by the way, how the Bob Walsh terminology is now. Blasting, yeah. It's really spreading throughout the community. But, like, yeah, I mean, I obviously, like, should be more responsible about what I'm agreeing to or clicking on or things like that. And I think, like a lot of us, I just, you know, I'm just, I've just completely and totally abdicated any sort of personal responsibility around carefully reading the fine print of terms of service being updated because it happens so much now.

Yeah, but there's got to be some sort of protections. Right. Like, I mean, like you just said, the terms of service that like a company will say, hey, you have to read all of that. You just want to download like Candy Crush. Right. It's like first read the terms of service. And it's like 18 pages of legal mumbo jumbo. Like there's got to be some sort of expectation for the common person, because like, yes, technically I accepted this. But don't we have any digital like usage laws in place that are kind of like, well, what what is the what is the reasonable expectation of a of a casual consumer to read, you know, what would be 18 pages of legalese before they can play retro bowl on their phone?

Yeah, I mean, is this this should be that's like an FTC issue, right? I mean, shouldn't that be something the Federal Trade Commission kind of, you know, hones in on? Because I'm sure I mean, I'm sure that that's there should be rules around that, even if and it's not strictly like you read it or you don't read it. It should be like there should be a reasonable sort of like I don't know if if a reasonable person might be likely to just click on it because it's inconvenient. Then even though you're technically by the letter of the law, OK, like morally, that's.

Yeah, yeah, certainly. And especially if you keep getting fed this pop up. the kids use televisions you know like a kid logs on to watch netflix and just says yeah i don't know like sure fine whatever like that just doesn't seem it doesn't seem kosher to me me neither but

thanks uh by the way um what alex yeah thanks alex i i again i i love it when a theory comes together it's so rare for me i have so many theories and so few of them ever are in any way rooted in the real world but it sounds like my theory was was more or less kind of on on on point

on track with that one yeah and something's going on with google too because i told you that you know i keep on getting these warnings about running out of space with my gmail and i've been using gmail since like i think i mean as early as possible 2003 whenever it came out and yes i do have some pretty you know deep archives of stuff that i've saved but like it's all pretty i i've maintained it i've gone through phases where i've gone back and trimmed down my email and gotten rid of everything with attachments and like you know me i can i can get

pretty particular about those things and it's kind of ridiculous that google is suddenly saying well you can buy more space and i was mentioning that to somebody else i'm like yeah i got a google issue i'm trying to clean out my gmail they're like i've been getting that now too and it sounds like there's something i've tried googling it nothing i got i can you know you tried to google why google's being weird exactly and i did land on some kim commando article luke oh my i was trying to explain i landed on that while recording spotless and i was trying to explain who i thought kim commando was to hannah my co-host on spotless and then i was like i i think like it's probably like i i think i described kim commando as sort of like a tech writer and tech presenter but in the um like kind of in the style of a fox news woman who appeals to men of a certain age is that how you would describe kim commando yeah and also i don't want to i don't

want to besmirch kim commando but like it's like if you're having an issue with your aol account i believe kim commando is is is your is your person like i feel like the era of like so kim commando did tech tips on radio and had some oh yeah well that was my experience yeah i think that you know she used to be a frequent guest on like you know places like kvi and como and cairo can i

just jump in and say the reason I threw that Fox thing in there is I think I'm by the first time I heard about Kim Commando was somebody who listened to a lot of Rush a man of a generation older than me who listened to a lot of Rush Limbaugh and a lot and watch a lot of Fox News so maybe I was just throwing that sort of conservative bent in there for some reason now some listener may you

know come in and like clarify this I don't really know what like Kim Commando's politics are but it's what it is is it's like tech tips for people that are listening to am news radio yeah so it's like a 45 second tech tip which i don't know how deep you're going to really get with the tech it's like it's like a tep tech tick it's something for like somebody's grandparents to hear about how to like you know not get spammed or something yeah right yeah you know what i mean it's like it's that which by the way is also useful to me it's basically the kind of tech tips that maybe even i could follow like honestly i'm making it sound like it's for old people but it's like i what i can't follow is like whatever the latest you know gizmodo thing is about so but it's it's one of those things where she just was kind of ubiquitous apparently she is still if you go to her if you go to like her website she's the host of two daily radio shows and one weekend radio show about consumer technology on her weekly call-in show she provides advice about technology gadgets websites, smartphone apps, and internet security. Again, I don't want to speak out of turn here because I don't really know what the current status of Kim Commando's technical expertise is. But if you were to ask me what my hunch would be, it seems like it's tech advice for an older

generation than us. Yes. And I apologize. I raised this confusing specter with a lot of speculation on my part i didn't mean to imply that kim commando is putting any kind of politics into the world but just that because of the person who told me about this and the and the very strong demographic that they represent i always just sort of thought that that sort of like kind of older audience i always thought sort of male in a way that she sort of fashioned herself as some of the the people that you see on fox news i just sort of thought that that was the target audience not that Kim Commando is out there looking for Hunter Biden's like laptop you know what I mean like I just sort of think that like it just sort of seemed to me that you could go hand in hand with the type of person who who might be sitting down for a big bowl of Hannity might also check in with Kim

Commando in the morning I I think that there probably is some overlap there um but again I I just don't know enough about I don't think as far as I can tell I don't think it's a right-wing tech show yeah right and that's not what i'm implying that plays a lot on am radio and probably that person who told you about it no doesn't mind that kim commando ain't hard on the eyes yeah and

and and again like i think that you're right just even by saying that really we should just say people who listen to am radio because with the exception of i believe myself as maybe being the only person who bucks the the trends of or the demographic trends of am radio like that is a

certain kind of person i believe absolutely well uh on that note i have a i have good news andrew the fog seems to be dissipating so maybe we'll be able to get our get our film on today later at the hall and we're not even at the hollywood sign today we're like at a vantage point where the hollywood sign is supposed to be carefully positioned over the shoulder of the person i'm interviewing which i have a feeling is going to be a living nightmare because it'll be like Sir, please stand still.

we have this framed right sir please sir you drifted one inch to the left and now you're

blocking the l stop gesticulating it is no gesticulating the weather here i don't know what it's like in portland and i assume you don't either if only there was some like app that would tell you what the weather's like in other places but we all did i got a little surprised woke up today to the rain helped a friend move a table out of her kitchen couldn't fit it into another room in her apartment so we just left it outside this weekend and said well you know it hasn't rained in forever and somebody's picking up this table now it's like raining on her table genevieve left a book on the porch last night it rained it's just like the rain is a a nice uh welcome addition to the blazing heat of the summer but um i think it caught a lot of us off guard yeah i i

saw that seattle's getting rain today and i thought and and again i don't maybe portland is as well i do not know but it's funny this tells you how hot it's been and how much the climate feels right now like it is in the process of changing pretty rapidly, usually I'm like, I don't want any rain in the summer. I know I need it for drought, et cetera. I'm usually like a no rain in the summer person. I was like, you know what? I could go for that in Portland. And I have never had that thought before.

Yeah, definitely. I'm definitely thinking about my brown, parched lawn and just thinking, drink up, baby, drink up.

Yeah. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. We will be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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