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I was watching a football game, and I'm sitting on my couch, and I was going to get something to drink out of the refrigerator. Right when I get up, one guy, one team kicked off to the other team. And before I could get back, the guy ran a 100-yard kickoff return, and I missed it. The guy ran 100 yards before I could get three to maybe four yards. that guy also had 11 people really trying not to let him run 100 yards i hadn't i didn't have an ottoman in my way it was wide open

hello there and welcome to a thursday edition of the tbtl summer game We have two days left of our summer spectacular. And then on Monday, we will be back here live and direct to all of you. In the meantime, though, my name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host right over there, Andrew Walsh, the longest running co-bro of the show. How are you doing today, my friend?

I'm good. You know, we've gotten almost all the way to the summer game, to the end of the summer games, without bringing up this topic. And I hate to bring it up now. I feel like we've been very disciplined.

but um you don't like hummus do you not a hummus guy is it because of breath yes i i don't dislike hummus um it's not that's like uh i'm more of a tapenade guy i love olives the yes olives in a little olive oil kind of diced up or minced up or whatever i'm i enjoy that greatly i don't mind the taste of hummus and in fact sometimes i really enjoy it but i'm always concerned about the breath implications. And let me give you an example. I was on a work lunch a while ago, not related to our company, Too Beautiful to Biz.

I was going to say, I should have been there.

It was John and I were meeting offline just discussing some personnel issues.

I'm not approving those receipts.

I ordered something at this work lunch. We were at a restaurant. I ordered something. It'd be weird if we had a work lunch at a bank. I realized restaurant was implied when I said work lunch. I ordered something that had hummus and i wasn't eating the hummus i was eating all the other stuff and then one of my colleagues said oh hey are you gonna have your hummus and i said no please have it and then they were like ate a bunch of it and then as we were leaving they're like oh my god my breath is so

bad this is so garlic and i was like and that's why we don't eat hummus i see yeah no i love me some hummus genevieve was um snacking with some friends recently snacking with the ferocity of a much younger woman there was something odd about that sentence but it was true with a purpose she would but she had bought a bunch of things to put together kind of a greek platter kind of thing so we have a bunch of leftover pita i think there is some tapenade in there that i haven't messed with and a couple of different hummuses and the one that I was just so for lunch I was going to go upstairs and make myself just a quick sandwich but I'm like oh well we have all this like pita breaded hummus and I have I love cucumbers on sandwiches anyway and Genevieve's growing all these tomatoes out in the garden so instead of just having a regular sandwich I took some pita spread some hummus on there put the you know cucumbers tomato a little bit of turkey on there Felt very Mediterranean, Luke. Yes. Felt very...

Do you feel yourself living longer? Yeah, I do. Do you feel yourself just healthifying just as you begin your life as a person who eats the quote-unquote Mediterranean diet?

Not only that, but I also feel myself becoming more sexually attractive.

I'm hearing it.

Yeah. Down the line on this computer connection. More confidence. But here's what I didn't know when I was making this little snack lunch thing for myself is the hummus that Genevieve bought was the stuff with the roasted red pepper in it. Or so I thought. I didn't realize it was a spicy hummus. I've never had spicy hummus before. I've had the roasted red pepper, which is just sort of a, you know, it's that Sabra brand that I think a lot of people buy. And it's got a little circle of like red pepper or sometimes garlic or pine nuts. Stop naming hummuses, Walsh. But I've never messed around with one that is actually spicy So these were spicy red peppers And I liked it, but it was a surprise to me It was a surprise when I did not know

Do you mess with those Mama, what is it? Mama Lil's? Mama Lil's peppers? These are very big in Portland I don't know A lot of people, when you go to some of the cooler restaurants They'll offer Mama Lil's peppers on things I feel like they're having a moment

No, tell me what they are This doesn't have to do with pita or the Greek diet or anything. You're just saying these are just a popular, just a popular pepper. Popular pepper is your title. It is. a uh it's a popular pepper here in portland oh you know why uh i believe it's made in portland that would explain a lot mama lil's goat horn peppers and uh we're just doing a free ad for them right now we would accept their advertising dollars if mama lil's wants to get in touch i guess i see it so much in portland because it's a local company that would make a lot of sense

but i do enjoy it pickled they're they're jar look okay so they're pickled hungarian uh goat horn

peppers in oil is what the jar says. I see, yes. They've got sweet ones, they've got kick-butt ones, they've got all the whole rich cornucopia of different amounts of spice are represented there. Ever since I had the sandwich at Bay City's Deli in Santa Monica, California, which I cannot recommend highly enough, even though you do have to wait in about a 45-minute line to get a dang

sandwich. Is this from way back in the day, or is this the last time you were in L.A.?

Well, I started going there way back in the day. Oh, I've never heard of this. Oh, yeah. It was a recommendation from somebody who I had been in a relationship previously, an Angeleno, a native Angeleno. And so she was like, oh, yeah, Bay City, Delhi, got to go. And it's just this little Italian grocery store. I love it because it's one of those stores that has way too much stuff in it. Like every corner you turn, it's just piled up to the rafters of some kind of like. It was clearly somebody who works for like an Italian, I don't know, I can't think of a good example, but some particular kind of product that is, you know, they sold the owner of the store on it and then he bought too many of them and they're not really moving and then just piled up to the rafters. It's like a special chocolate wine glass, but it's made out of chocolate and it's got some kind of amaretto in it and it's three of them and they're sealed in plastic and then it's got, you know, like it's Italian, I don't know, just like it's full of weird shit. but they have a deli and that deli where they just make sandwiches is so popular if you go there on

a sunday there will be a line out the door i am surprised that this never even even i'm not surprised maybe that i never went there but i'm surprised this never even crossed my radar i am looking at some of these sandwiches right now and even though i'm full of pita and hummus that looks that bread looks astounding but i worked in santa monica nobody ever mentioned this place to me good

lord this looks good oh my gosh andrew i can't even tell you and the whole it's about the peppers like if you if you've if you've ordered the right amount of spiciness your nose will be running for the following hour after you eat one of these sandwiches but they are just the absolute best this is of course around the corner from another santa monica grocery store that one of our

listeners like uncle owns or something right remember that grandpa yeah and now oh it's bob's right i that's the place that i used to no no bob's your uncle i get it i think it was there bob did i get it right um but yeah i was talking about this place that i would go to for lunch sometimes that was just like more of a more of a standard but somewhat smallish grocery store in other words not like a huge supermarket but also not like a specialty store like like this italian place seems to be uh but they just made really good over-the-counter sandwiches in the deli over-the-counter. Why did I say over-the-counter sandwiches? They do hand it to you over-the-counter, but... Could you imagine a prescription

sandwich? Oh, yes. Ask your doctor. Are you kidding me? I've dreamt about... Ask your doctor if mortadella is right for you.

I've dreamt of prescription sandwiches. Are you kidding me? You would go to the doctor more if they prescribed sandwiches. You know what? They're doing it wrong. When I think about what they're selling, they're doing it wrong. But yeah, I'm pretty sure that place was called Bob's and I was talking about it on the show, and And a listener in D.C., I believe, right? Somewhere. Yeah, anyway, is their grandfather.

I'm not going to guess because I'll be wrong.

No, who's our listener in D.C. who writes in quite a bit?

Ryan? Ryan. I think it's Ryan's grandpa. Go with you on that.

Yeah.

So, yes, I do. I enjoy the peppers, and I'm glad you were able to enjoy them with your Mediterranean lunch today, Andrew. Now, the listeners are going to enjoy whatever this summer game is that we have dialed up. And what is it exactly?

Oh, I got to open up my email to get the quiz out, actually. But I do have a note here from Christian who made this quiz for us. And it says, this is not a quiz about bicycle racing. It's about the rich tapestry of human experiences and the road to glory. Or maybe I just love bikes and bike racing. With over 100 years of history, the Tour de France is great trivia fodder. And I'll do my best with pronouncers. Oh, no. I've got to give this quiz to you. and it's going to be chock-a-block with French words like chock-a-block. Uh-huh. Choc-a-block. Choc-a-block. Did I do it right? Mm-hmm. Perfect. Oui, oui. I might need some help. Oh, God, this is going to be rough

on our French-speaking listeners and really just fans of good broadcasting.

Right, yes, and ourselves as well. So here we go. Let's see here. Oh, we should... We'll probably get some Tour de France music going here. Do we have anything that sort of seems like Tour de France music? That's pretty good. There we go. France! France! All right, let me see here. How can I do this? So, I'm going to be honest with you, Luke. Okay. The font on this thing is so tiny. I cannot even read it, but I can't put it in the show sheet because then you'll see it. So I did not prepare for this well enough. My apologies. But I need you to tap dance for a second while I try to format this.

Well, I'm out of French words that I know. Let's see. Let me go through them again. Je m'appelle.

Okay. What does that mean?

That means, je m'appelle, my name is Luke. In fact, my dear friend, Caitlin Duffy, who I worked at KUOW with and who I've worked on many projects at Microsoft with, She was at the 4,000th episode, one of my dearest, oldest friends in Seattle. She used to have a friend named Jill, and I don't know how this inside joke started, but every time she referred to her, she called her, Je m'appelle Jill. Always made me laugh. Je m'appelle Jill. Maybe Caitlin will hear this and will remind me by email what the origin story of that was, but that's how I know that Je m'appelle means my name is Jill, but she always called her friend Jill, my name is Jill.

The irony here is that I was looking at the wrong email. The font on Christian's email is absolutely fine. Are you ready for your first Tour de France question here, Luke? C. Wait, no. Hey, you know what? Hey, good news. Good news for people who love bad news. There are only four questions in this quiz, so we can lay out a little bit here, Luke. We don't have to rush through this at all. So good news for the listeners and people who like good broadcasting. Number one, the question is this. The Tour de France was first held in 1903 when bicycles used wheels with wooden rims. In what year were riders first allowed to use metal-rimmed wheels? Are you Googling this?

No, I'm typing a letter to my friend Caitlin asking why she called Jill Gemma-Pud-Jill.

So the question is, when were riders allowed to start using metal-rimmed wheels? And again, at first... Do we get some suggestions? Yeah, I'm going to give you some suggestions. Any time between 1904 and 2023. So that's your multiple choice. No. So just to remind you, the first one was in 1903. So when were they allowed to make this change? In 1909? In 1919? Okay. In 1937? Or in 1944? Wow.

I think it was... 1909 seems early. i'm wondering if this somehow mirrored or went along with the sort of vulcanization of the world i.e we were making cars we're putting rubber on the wheels we're getting into rubber as a thing also how hard must it have been to steer those things when they had what did he say the wheels

were originally well it said that uh wheels with wooden rims that doesn't mean that there wasn't

rubber on the rims oh okay so this was then wait this is when they got inner tubes

i'm going to read this again the tour de france was first held in 1903 when bicycles used wheels with wooden rims in what year were riders first allowed to use metal rimmed wheels okay i

see so the the the rim could have had even if it was wood it could have had rubber so this isn't really a question about rubber this is a question about a question about the human experience

Exactly. I think it was 19, what was not the earliest? 1909, what was the next one? 1909 was the earliest. 1919 was the second one. 1937 or 1944? I think 1919. Did you say 1937? I did. 1937, you're absolutely right. Wow, God, I'm good. The tour's first organizer, Henri de Grange. How'd I do there? That was Tremagnif. I will say that Christian gets all the credit. That is a good pronouncer. Thank you. Henri de Grange. Wait till you get to denouement. Was worried that the heat from braking friction, you know, friction from using your brakes, would melt the glue that held tires to the rims. Also, he was an ass, famously saying that the ideal tour would be so hard that only a single rider would survive, as in literally live until the end.

Wow. You know, I've been really getting into cycling, not doing it but watching it on netflix on netflix i would think that it would be a live event that you'd be interested in well um there are a couple of interesting documentaries there's one about this particular rider um this this particular cyclist um who had kind of an inspiring he's a British dude, I believe, inspiring, interesting life. and career, so I was watching that. And then there's one, I forget what it's called, but there's basically a docu-series that just covers the Tour de France, like an entire Tour de France, but it's one of those real prestige documentaries where they've got all these cameras mounted everywhere, and you're following along with the cyclists, you're following along with all their coaches and driving in the cars. You get to see all of the preparation. It's a very interesting world, actually. But it's not like that slow...

I also have no friends. But it's not that slow TV thing where it's like... It's a documentary. It's not just a bunch of beautiful shots of the countryside and writers going through. And it's just sort of like background viewing. Like I used to watch trains do that because I have no friends.

It's no, it is, it's, it's, yeah, it's a, it's a well-produced series where you're, and you're following a team that's kind of on the brink of like they're losing money. Their sponsors are kind of mad. They're trying to figure it out. I don't know what's going to happen. I haven't gotten to the end of it. But it's just a well-produced kind of sports docu-series that has me thinking about cycling, which is why I was able to answer that question correctly with no help from you, because I've actually been thinking about cycling. I mean, again, not doing it, but just that it exists.

I think I actually do know what you're talking about, but I could be wrong here. This is one of those things where I feel like I'm going to correct you, and then I'm going to feel I can ask because you're going to be right.

It's my favorite kind of correction is the one you have to re-correct later.

But you're sure that it's not a Jamaican team and they're bobsledding and not cycling?

Wait, which is the one with the sled? That's bobsledding. That's not cycling. Oh, yeah. Are they from Jamaica? That joke doesn't even work on any level except it involves a word that we said previously.

All right. Okay. So you're watching Cool Runnings. I'm over here giving you a quiz.

I'm watching Snow Dogs starring Cuba Goodingham Jr.

Wait, what is that one again? I feel like you've explained this to me.

I think he has to learn maybe sled dog racing or something.

Lauren, take a note for next year's quiz where Luke describes movies that we know nothing about. Let's figure out what the plot of – on with the next question while I look up the plot of Snow Dogs. This looks like a very wordy question with even wordier answers, so I don't trust you to take in this information while you're Googling. So we'll just do one thing in a hand.

The artist Ted Brooks, played by Cuba Gooding Jr., finds out that he's been named in a will. He travels to Alaska to claim his inheritance. Once he gets there, however, his dreams turn to mush. He discovers he's been left a mischievous. Do you go with mischievous or mischievous? I go back and forth, but mischievous is the one that delights me more. He discovers he's been left a mischievous team of sled dogs who have got it in for him. making matters even worse is the crusty mountain man thunder jack played by james coburn who's also got it in for the city slicker wanting to claim the dogs for himself jack urges ted to hot foot

it back to warmer climate thunder jack you name your kid thunder jack they're not going to grow up to be a super gentle person probably no they're going to be the kind of person who wants to steal a sled team from cuba gooding jr exactly okay here's your question number two i need all ears on this for many years riders were required to repair their own equipment and forbidden from receiving outside help of any kind so which of the following is true A. In 1927 Alejandro Valverde of Spain no pronouncer on that I'm just doing it Alejandro Valverde of Spain in 1927 was forced to ride over 50 miles without a saddle that's what we call a bike seat after it was damaged in a crash. He was able to fashion a new saddle from leather. After arriving at the next town, he suffered lifelong damage to his undercarriage. Basically riding a bike without a seat. Okay, is that true or is this true? In 1909, Belgian rider Dylan Toons had to descend a mountain in the Pyrenees without brake pads after sabotage by French fans. In the valley town, he carved new pads from wine corks, later crashing while drunk. Are you following all of this? Yeah, okay.

I'm intimately. Okay.

Big if true. Here is the third option. Which one of these is true? In 1913, the front fork of the bicycle ridden by Eugene Christophe of France was destroyed in a crash with a race official's car. Kristoff walked over six miles to the nearest village and spent three hours repairing the damage at a farmer's blacksmithing forge. He was penalized by race judges for asking a seven-year-old boy to pump the bellows while he worked. I love any of these being true.

I would mostly love the wine cork one. Yeah. Because it reminds me in the, I think, I forget which London Olympics it was, but there was the one of the years when the Olympics were in London.

this is in the early 1900s they the the water the the the liquids the hydration they offered the runners was champagne oh good and it led to a very very poor outcome for most of the people who are drinking champagne while running the olympic marathon good it's like a race to see who can get the headache the fastest exactly i mean god does anything sound worse than trying to run 26.2 miles whilst swilling champagne okay let me ask you this you get to the end of a race

and somebody either offers you champagne to quench your thirst or milk, what do you take?

Gosh, there's no winners in that scenario. No, there is not.

Or wait, there's a third option. You can mix them together.

This is a great question, Andrew, that you ask, and I think I would say probably milk. I don't like milk, but I think you're right in this case. Yeah, because the problem is alcohol is also Doesn't alcohol dehydrate you further? I think so, yeah It's like drinking seawater Like, you might for like one second Kind of think like, oh, it's quenching my thirst But I feel like it would make you more thirsty I don't think, the milk would not be satisfactory But it would actually, I think, make you less thirsty

Nobody in the world saw today's show getting to this point But let me ask you this Now, you grew up in a very Christian household but it wasn't a catholic household of course me growing up catholic there was a lot of focus on the torture of jesus christ right like that yeah i would i know where you're going with this what because i would do the as an altar boy i would do the stations of the cross almost every week so it's like what they did to jesus along the way is very imprinted in my brain do you remember what they put in jesus's cup instead of wine oh i remember hearing this they i believe they made him drink something called gall does that ring a bell to you vaguely and i remember not knowing what that was and asking some adult in my life and this is a time when i also think that adults would sometimes just give you expedient answers there are some things that i heard as a kid i can't think of other examples where i look back now i'm like oh they just didn't want to really get into it or they didn't know but i feel like i asked somebody like there's some moment in the bible right where in the stations of the cross era and sorry i'm just laughing at my inability to describe what i'm trying to describe i'm not laughing at the bible i guess um but uh i remember saying there's some line in there like they did not give him wine to drink they filled his chalice with gall or something like that and i remember also thinking like well would you want wine in that situation but also what the hell is gall and somebody told me that essentially it was like it was like brackish water or salt water that would be just like an insult to give somebody who is

who is parched beyond measure well i'm getting mixed i'm getting some mixed results on this because i even not growing up catholic i do remember in the sort of like story of the crucifixion some moment where something gets dipped on a sponge and then they kind of put it up to jesus's mouth on a stick and i remembered that from the story and probably some kind of cinematic renderings of the crucifixion. So I googled that, and there's something called the Holy Sponge. It's one of the instruments of the passion of Jesus. Is this what you were talking about? Is this part of your procedure?

I don't remember the sponge thing. I am on another thing. Headline, sour wine and gall. Was it a merciful gesture or mockery? So this is closer to what I'm talking about here,

but what are you talking about? Well, this is again, just Wikipedia, which is notoriously devil-based. So I don't know if we can believe what they say about our Lord and Savior, but the holy sponge was one of the instruments of the passion of Jesus. It was dipped in vinegar, in some translations sour wine, or most likely posca, a regular beverage of Roman soldiers, and offered to Jesus to drink from during the crucifixion. But so if my, I guess my thought here based on reading one line about is if Roman soldiers were drinking it, that makes it seem to me like it was an act of mercy, not an act of trying to taunt him. But this is really the first I'm learning of all of this.

Okay, here's what I'm going to tell you. I'm reading this from, and again, what I'm about to read from is very religious. This is the Coptic Orthodox Diocese of the Southern United States. So I'm going to try to kind of like just edit this on the fly, but it says when Jesus was crucified, he was offered a sour, less than desirable, thin wine laced with gall. This happened right after the Lord's agonizing cry, blah, blah, blah. Sorry to blah, blah, blah that for those who are religious. Why did the Roman soldiers give our Lord wine mingled with gall to drink? And then it goes on from there, and it doesn't look like there's a simple one-word answer because it looks like there's a 5,000-word non-answer.

But another website that is much more, I would say, of this world called gotquestions.org says in the Bible, the word gall most often refers to a bitter tasting substance made of a plant such as wormwood or myrrh. So wait, do we it's not it doesn't sound like it's poison, but it just sounds like it's something bitter. That was not exactly what you would want in this situation.

And I'm sure that as a kid it was taught to you As yet another indignity essentially

That is how it was treated That's how it was taught to me Roman soldiers offered wine to drink mixed with gall That's according to the book of Mark Specifies that the bitterness in the wine Was due to the presence of myrrh Wine mixed with bitter herbs or myrrh Created a potion that dulled the sense of pain So that's where the philosophical question comes Was this actually not to slake the thirst I love the word slake by the way Not to slake the thirst But to dull the pain So thus the question Was it merciful or torment

I mean if it was a painkiller It sounds merciful Also really full circle In this dude's life He's born and the wise men Bring frankincense and myrrh And then he dies And he's slugging down the myrrh To sort of dull the pain Potentially Now do we remember If he accepted it or not

I don't remember And I've closed the tabs And I dare to not Open them again If you were there

if any of our listeners were there on what Golgotha Golgotha Golgotha the place of the skull place of the skull yes is that where the crucifixion happened or is that that's my understanding okay okay you're pretty strong on the real torture porn aspect well it's I mean that's why it speaks to the Catholicism

I think it's very much the Catholicism and the Easter not not the Easter holiday yes that is that's the biggest holiday really but it's the you know the lent that leads up to it and the and the the stone was rolled away andrew yes that is he is risen indeed um okay so that's obviously where any quiz about cycling will take one to golgotha which of these by the way just like to say again to everybody happy summer games i hope you're having a really frolicking

time out there we really develop we we build in the listeners a real a real excitement around when we come back for the real show. And that's an important aspect of this. It's kind of one of those like, oh, huh, you're bored of TBTL. Well, wait till we really bore you, and then you'll be excited for us to come back.

Yeah, can you dig even deeper into the crucifixion? That's what people were asking at the beginning of the TBTL Summer Games, and the answer is yes, of course we can. So your options, again, was a guy who rode over 50 miles without a seat, a Belgian rider who descended from the mountain with brake pads That were broken after sabotage Had to make his own out of cork And then the C Is somebody's front fork Of their bicycle was broken Went to a farm Rebuilt it using blacksmithing material And then was dinged because a 7 year old boy Worked the bellows I think it's C There's a specificity to C that makes me Believe it The answer my friend Is C Amazingly this is not the only story give me the yellow jersey baby this is not the only story of riders having to be blacksmiths though mostly they repaired broken handlebars incidentally the early years in the early years there was lots of sabotage brake pads were cork and riders drank buckets of wine it is france so christian must be a cyclist or someone who's just interested in the tour de france and the

the human element of yes it's not it's not about cycling this is about humans drinking wine

exactly exactly and a little bit about catholicism and the stations of the cross and the place of the skull and the place of the skull um number three this is only out of four you've gotten two right so far so you're doing great you've got at least 50 percent um but that's still an f so don't get these wrong okay in the absence of ticket sales racing teams get their entire budget from corporate sponsors the belgian writer eddie oh geez i mean it's this is an interesting one because it's not too many vowels it's too many consonants m e r c k x mercs i guess so what else could it be the belgian writer eddie mercs generally considered the goat won five tours from 1969 to 1972 and 1974 while racing for two teams. What lines of business were these two companies in? Fama and Maltini were the two teams. Fama and Maltini, what lines of business? Now, what were you going to say before I barrel through?

Eddie Merckx comes up in this documentary that I was watching on Netflix because the guy...

Of course, I can't remember his name. I think that literally the doc is named for him. This is separate from the Tour de France season documentary. This is just a standalone one-episode documentary film about a writer. He's trying to break Eddie Merckx's record. And one of the things about the Tour de France that I still don't understand, having watched an entire documentary about it, is this guy is a sprinter, the guy who the documentary is about, considered maybe one of the greatest sprinters of all time. and he's trying to win Eddie Merckx has the record for most stages ever won in the Tour de France what's confusing about it is that like Miguel Indorain who was a great writer or before he was disgraced Lance Armstrong the guy who we think of as being the like you know the winner of the Tour de France is not the person who's won the most stages there's this whole thing about the peloton and about sprinters and so this dude who even when I watch an entire movie about him i can't remember his name he is like considered one of the greatest riders of all time he's one he's trying to win the most stages and beat eddie merx but no one's heard of him outside of cycling because he's not like the lance armstrong he's not the guy who ultimately is considered the winner of the tour de france which i don't really understand no i don't

understand that either honestly i do know he wins a lot of stages but he's not the overall fastest

person he's just a sprinter he's just like this this guy that you kind of set him up and then he

just like races at the end really fast i see because it's a team sport yeah but a person is

crowned yeah like i don't understand how it is that like it's decided that lance armstrong i mean again with all the caveats about him cheating although it seems like everybody was cheating at that point so um i don't know where we land on lance armstrong oh and by the way one of the things that's fun about the documentary is they feature a lot of lance armstrong who now basically does a podcast about cycling oh really and he's consistently wrong about what's going to happen

to the guy in the movie oh you mean he's making predictions like they're yeah he's doing his

cycling podcast and he's saying things like the i should just i just need to figure out the guy's dang name so let's see um any mercs record break or people can't wait mark cavendish is his name people can't wait for monday andrew um cannot wait um let's see but uh yeah the guy's named mark cavendish who's the subject of the documentary and there's just a few times where it's like because his career really goes up and down there's a time where he doesn't even make the cut like he's like the last guy to finish and you got all the like the lance armstrongs of the world being like this is embarrassing for him he needs to hang it up and then he like gets his s together and

suddenly he's winning stages again can i ask you a question you sure can i'm going to start with a few sentences that are statements and then it's going to come around to a question so this quiz was written by christian and we're talking a lot about kind of christianity or some parts of christianity christian is also very passionate about cycling can we call today's show the passion of the christian that might be getting a little bit i don't know if anybody's going to click on

that we can move on it seems yeah my only fear is not that it's sacrilegious but that it's it sounds like we're doing a different kind of podcast but i do feel like there's something christian values good old-fashioned christian values thing maybe okay yeah you know what though

we got to worry about um we got to worry about the answer to this before i yeah ruin okay so so yeah so fama and moltini are the are the companies he's writing for right or the brands that he's racing for what businesses are far fama and moltini involved in farm equipment and roofing supplies espresso and sausage women's fashion and film production or automotive parts automotive parts and bicycles huh what was the first one again farm equipment and roofing supplies well

farm and fame uh sound kind of similar i'm gonna go with that first thought best thought first thought best thought what's your second thought um that's also my best thought uh yeah what is it

Is it women's apparel and something else? What would be like your third thought on this?

What would you say, sort of? The good news is I've narrowed it down. I have one in two. The one with cycling in it?

Bicycles and automotive parts. You know what? I have a question for you. What would be like your fourth thought on this one?

God, I'm killing this. This is unnatural. I'm just asking questions. Fourth thought, best thought.

What's the fourth option again?

Hey, by the way, if this was the game, I saw somebody online the other day saying they were proposing a new way of playing football, which is the way the game works is the quarterback throws the ball to the receiver and then the defense is trying to stop the receiver from returning the ball to the quarterback. Oh! Okay. The guy gets the ball, then he's trying to get back to the quarterback to hand him the ball. Oh, that would be fun.

That would be easier to play if your kids in a... You know, like... don't have a full field or something because you can play half field football i believe what the

guy said was this is on this very funny um uh kind of podcast that i see clips of online uh that's i can't remember the exact name of the show but um but basically like the guy is going yeah that's really just these two guys sitting around talking the one guy's like yeah that's they should redo football he goes and then they only need a quarter of the field and then the rest of the stadium they can just use for AI, and they can finally start making some money in the NFL. I think this show's called The Adam Friedlander Show or something. It's very droll and very generationally different. It's like a couple of 25-year-olds being funny, but my point is, the new way to play these trivia games is try to guess every wrong answer first. Yes, exactly. From that perspective, I just crushed it. What was option four? You don't eat. Come on, man. It's harder. Andrew, what I've just done is arguably more difficult than the way the game was initially structured which is i managed to pick every the chances were greater that i would have picked the right answer accidentally than i was able to successfully pick all three wrong answers and that is why you won the tour de france that's that's how the

take that eddie merckx it was espresso and sausage oh my see that just the the very word sausage is

so loaded in this on this show with us because of all of the don't miss the sausage fest and your love of sausage i just thought that that was christian having a having a laugh having a go

fama made espresso machines and maltini was an italian salami concern i do think it's a salami i think we're having a little bit of fun with the word sausage there but i think i'd accept that the coolest jersey of this era was from the brooklyn team they were sponsored by a chewing

gum company and what would do we know what the chewing gum was i do not this is where okay well you're dialing up the last question and by the way note to everyone out there four questions is

probably enough for us yeah exactly because we're noted because yeah we might not even hey should we hold the fourth question for tomorrow luke just joking okay here's the fourth question for you cycling loves its characters and loves to give them nicknames which of the following is not not a famous racer's nickname okay the sparrow the death rider of lichterveld big mig or the eternal second all of those are real except for one which one is fake

i bet you big mig was miguel in durain i'm flexing that because it's literally the only cyclist that's not uh lance armstrong that i can name um i like the sparrow oh that's haunting that just sounds like you're not even gonna see that person they're just they're just they've got they've got bird bones i have hollow bones and they're just gonna fly right through the race

what were the other two so you have the sparrow yes the death rider of lichterveld oh that's a

big mig or the eternal second i'm reading up by the way on the brooklyn gum cycling team uh which i'll i'll fill you in on later i think it was um i oh god i i don't want this to be true because i love this nickname so much what's the death rider what was the death rider the death rider of lichterveld i think the death rider of lichterveld is made up i'm afraid you're

not right on that the correct answer is a the sparrow the sparrow is made up but there is a death rider of lichterveld well that's what this is what christian says hardly newer vel

is that the show title i hardly knew her veld lichter veld i hardly knew her veld is the show

title here's what christian says for the answer to this one i love how tbtl this answer is answer a at least i think so there's tons of them but i did make that one up i made up the sparrow i love these names from dr teeth to white blaze uh i was able to uh that's as far down as i was able to get into this category reene why wagdemans was white blaze and phil anderson was dr teeth

i'm reading about this despite the knee the name of the team brooklyn was an entirely italian team in fact brooklyn gum isn't even sold in the usa it's all a marketing point brooklyn are or there known as Team Brooklyn or the Brooklyn Cycling Team, and their iconic jersey were first seen in 1973. It sounds like this was a European company that was just calling themselves Brooklyn Gum, although I would imagine the word Brooklyn is associated with the Netherlands before it was associated with New York, right? There's lots of things, Harlem, there's lots of things in New York that are basically Dutch in origin because it was Dutch folks that sort of, you know, were the first white people there, and I want to clarify they were not the first people on the island, but they certainly named a lot of stuff. And so I bet you Brooklyn is actually a Dutch word. right that sounds about right to me i'm just trying to figure out how to spell know herveld i have one other update andrew please that that's the last question that's it man that was great christian thank you i do i have an update on je m'appelle jill my friend caitlin says uh we called her that because she always spoke her seventh grade french with an impeccable accent i think we were making fun of her for being a tryhard and then caitlin says she had the last laugh though because she's now fluent in French, Spanish, and Portuguese. She did try hard. She's also a succeed hard, which is really nice. That's actually a good show title, too. Right, yeah. What happens, every once in a while, a try hard turns into a succeed hard, and then we all just kind of like give them their roses, give them their flowers. All right, what do you say here? Oh, we should get into some thank yous here, probably. Yeah, when I said give them their flowers, I thought we could just pop the music I don't know if you're building breaks or not I kind of lost the thread on that I lost the thread, I'm not going to lie to you something just popped in front of my face and I tried to read it and I momentarily put TBTL broadcasting to the back of my brain so I wasn't listening but let's just pretend I know you're going to cut this out but this is actually the best part of the show No I'm not, it's the summer games man we don't cut anything out Smacks of effort as Mark Simpson once said we have got to thank our daily donors give us this day our daily donors that's sacrilegious an extremely biblical show on this thursday these are the wonderful generous folks who are supporting the program i'm still i'm still mildly in shock that it worked andrew that when we tbtl went independent we were able to through the incredible generosity of our listeners and your really hard work and John Sklaroff's really hard work and to some degree my mother's contribution of coming downstairs to the basement repeatedly throughout the week we were able to actually get this thing so that it's a business that we can work at and pay ourselves

from and that's thanks to folks like Sidney Hofferth in Tacoma, Washington Thank you Sidney, I'm sorry that Luke burped I know, I really Mullaney'd that The problem was, I tried to power Down a bowl of cut green beans Andrew, right before the show Oh, you eat those cold? I love them I love nothing more, well that's not true There's lots of things I love more than this, but I do find It pretty satisfying to open up a can Cut green beans, drain the water out Throw that in a bowl, a little salt and pepper And you've got Yourself a stew You could eat them out of the can And that would be a real Popeye move That would be And you don't take the whole Can, the top of the can off Yeah, you have to pry it You pry it open So you do the can opener But then it's still sticking up As a dangerous blade You should do that in public Seriously, take a can Because drain them But then you don't live in an apartment anymore I can see you walking Just being in the elevator They're taking it down to the garage or something. I still have a fob. I could probably get into my old apartment. Can you go back there and just eat some green beans out of a can in public and see how people react? Is it worth it? Definitely, though, you're right. If you're doing this move, the only way to extract the product from the can is to squeeze the middle of it. Popeye style. Oh, well, there's that. Well, that's a whole not. Now I'm worried, though. Keep your lips away from the edge of the can, though. I don't want to be cutting your face up. Not far from Tacoma, Washington, where Sydney is, is Greg DeVore, who's over there in Lake Tapps, Washington. Thank you, Greg. Thank you, Greg. Holly Barnett Reba is in Lakewood. Ohio. Hey, what's around on the sides and high in the middle? Ohio. Yeah. I was going to say Lakewood. There's a Lakewood. See, the reason I paused there was because there is a Lakewood that's near Tacoma. But this is a different Lakewood. Oh, that's true. yeah and there's also a lakewood california i believe as well um but yeah this is lakewood ohio i hear from holly every now and then um sending in messages from my old stomping grounds there i don't think holly lived there when chain link addiction was still around unfortunately hmm yeah um was the um eerie screw company still lake eerie screw hopefully although it is gone now they turned into like an art center or something very strange yeah i mean that is that At least, I thought you were going to say, they turned it into an Amazon distribution facility. No, that probably wouldn't. That's the type of facility. That place was huge. Yeah, I'm not sure. I think there's lofts and stuff in there now. I think they sort of reclaimed it, which is kind of cool. Like a mixed-use kind of deal? I think. Let me look up Lake Erie Screw while you think the donors. And I'm going to thank Paul Richardson of Harrogate. Tay! Is that our buddy Paul? It is. Is that our British listener? Indeed. I almost said Boris Yeltsin. We got to get a Boris Yeltsin impersonator on this show.

We have a great Boris Johnson impersonator, a.k.a. Paul.

That's right, yes. We need a Boris Yeltsin. We certainly do. We certainly do.

I'm guessing Harrogate is in the United Kingdom.

England, yeah.

England.

The Lake Erie building is on Athens Avenue in Lakewood, Ohio. I know Athens Avenue very well. I lived literally across the barbed wire fence, and I'm using barbed wire correctly this time, the barbed wire fence of Lake Erie Screw. In fact, the house that I lived in was a house my dad lived in when he was a young man, and he worked for his dad at Walsh Manufacturing, but Walsh Manufacturing was housed in Lake Erie Screw. And so my dad, as legend has it, cut a hole in the fence, or at least he cut a section of the fence that he could bend back and just walk through the fence to get to work.

It looks like it's, among other things, now a place, the Lake Erie building, where you can get married. Oh, interesting.

Yes, a lot of like kind of looks like lofty, event spacey. It looks like they have art shows there. You can, yeah, this is interesting. Oh, price per head from $20 to $200. I'll take $20, please.

I can have my next wedding there. Yes, you should. I'm always just a couple of years away from starting and then ultimately stopping one of those projects. Thank God, Teresa Slusher of Tumwater, Washington. Also, by the way, in the general Tacoma, Lake Taps, south of Seattle kind of area, that's where Teresa is. Thank God, Teresa is a long-suffering and long-standing supporter of this program. And then we have to thank Laurel Price. Thank you, Laurel. In Seattle, Washington. This is where I like to make my Yanni joke on a yearly basis, but I won't do that. I won't do that to Laurel. Extremely long-running donor to the program as well. So thanks to Sidney, Greg, Holly, Paul, Teresa, and Laurel. Thanks for making TBTL possible and for listening to this summer game.

Now, I am paying attention. I'm going to play the music to get us out of here now. Okay, perfect.

All right, one more summer game tomorrow. What's the game?

This is from listener Flash, and the game is called The Big Quiz, Rapper or Wrestler? cup of coffee with death row records that's right so it's going to be people with the word big in their names oh and we have to know if it's a rapper or a wrestler with the word big in their

name okay cool looking forward to it that'll be tomorrow in the meantime have a great thursday take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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