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This could be a big, elaborate con game, for all we know. You think it'd be a con game? You know, look at the Sting. That's elaborate. I never saw it. I saw the Sting 2. You didn't see the Sting? No, but the Sting 2, Jackie Gleason, it's pretty good. I mean, what kind of idiot sees Sting 2 and not Sting 1? I don't remember back then, but I'm just telling you, I didn't see Sting 1, I saw Sting 2. You must be the only person in the world who saw Sting 2 and not Sting 1. And didn't see Sting 1. Yeah, I would bet that you are.

TBTL Don't mind me I'm just laughing my way into the final TBTL summer game here we are on a Friday my name is Luke Burbank right over there my dear friend and the longest running cobra of the show Andrew Walsh I didn't know there was a sting too and I'm looking it up now very much as a thing

I had you muted on my end And then I unmuted you at the very end, and I thought I heard a tiny boop. And I was going to ask you if you were laughing back there. I'm glad to hear that that got you. I love it when the intro tape gets you.

Yeah. I did not know they made a sting.

When did that come out? Because the sting was. Can I guess on when the sting came out? The sting was like a classic beloved movie. Paul Newman and the other one. Who's in the sting? Robert Redford. Paul Newman and Robert Redford, right. Did they just say that in the tape? Charles Durning, that's who you were thinking of. Who's Charles Durning?

He's another person in The Sting. Oh, really? If you were saying, who are the two guys in The Sting, it would not be Charles Durning. Great actor, though he was. He really was. You're more familiar with The Sting than I would have thought. I liked that movie. They're running a horse racing scam where they build this whole kind of like bar, and they're showing the results of the race, but they're actually getting the results before all of the betters that they've brought into this room.

Because they're not showing it. I think it's audio only, right? It's the radio. It's not even a radio broadcast. It's not a teletype, but it was some sort of... Yeah, like a ticker or something.

And then I think, if I remember right, they've got these little fake horses that are representing the progress.

Oh, I didn't remember that part.

That could be the Mandela effect, too.

That movie, I think of... I saw it once. I knew it was a beloved movie An appreciated movie I think that a lot of it was a little bit lost I mean not that particular part Because that part It seemed very episodic to me And a little bit sprawling Like that is one part of the movie But the movie is just them getting into all kinds of weird capers And then eventually being chased down At the end, spoiler alert You're thinking of Butch Cassidy

And the Sundance Kid That's when they get chased down

You're absolutely right I'm confusing. Another Charles Durning classic. Wait, that one has, Redford is in both of them? Is that why I'm confusing those two? Oh, there you go.

You're right. I loved this song when I was a kid, by the way. The Entertainer by Scott Joplin.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It meant ice cream. The Sting begins with a poker game on a train, I think, huh? I think so. Yeah.

You know, I mentioned this a long, long time ago, Back around Father's Day But Addie and I saw the movie Paper Moon Which wildly I had never seen in my life It's a lot like The Sting It's kind of set I think around the same era It's got Ryan O'Neill in it I don't know if Charles Durning is in it or not But it's Ryan O'Neill and his real life daughter Tatum O'Neill And what I was so struck by was A. It was just such a great movie It was really enjoyable B. The child is named Addie And it's spelled exactly like how Addie's name is spelled And I was like, how has this been going on for all these years? And it's never come up. And Addy, I think I said this when I talked about it back then, Addy leaned over to me midway through the movie and said, I'm officially telling everyone this is who I'm named for.

That's a good move. Yeah.

Would recommend Paper Moon if you're looking for something fun to watch.

Okay, let's get into today's quiz if we can. Let's check it out. Check it out. This is called The Big Quiz, colon, Rapper or Wrestler, sent in by listener flash um flash says sorry i'm going to say that again because i and it's not by

the way i want to clarify it's not our dear friend and producer emeritus jen flash andrews

a different flash yes exactly um who writes into the show from time to time i believe we blurs uh flash's beloved i'm saying beloved a lot these days it's my new thing more than i'm bozo um but flash says it's really hard to say can you say flash says flash says it's called the big flash says let's all meet at the rural brewery this is called the big quiz because i'm giving you a list of 10 people who go by the big something and you have to guess if it's a rapper's name or a wrestler's name For example, is Big T a rapper or a wrestler? Answer. It's right in front of you, so I'm just going to barrel through here. Terry Ray Gordy Jr., known as Big T, is an American professional wrestler. In addition to his success in the WCW, he captured tag team championships as one half of the Miracle Violence Connection. What? The Miracle Violence Connection.

That definitely sounds like a band that would open for the polyphonic spree.

It sounds like if Kermit the Frog were going to be... We'll get that connection going. Yeah, exactly. The rainbow connection over here. You got the miracle violence connection over here. He was teamed up with Dr. Death.

Why did he throw the flying elbow? That's my impression of Kermit the Frog singing a song about wrestling.

That might have been the highlight of the summer games. And that's not just because I want to get out of here early because it's a Friday. All right. So are you ready to take this quiz?

I'm super ready. I'm very curious how I'm going to do or how we're going to do because there is a period of time in wrestling where I was very dialed in, like in the 80s. In fact, I forget what it was, but the other day something came up where they were showing something about wrestling in the 80s, like Becca and I were watching something. And I just started freaking out because I knew, oh, you know what it was? We're listening to an interview with Cyndi Lauper on the radio on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. And she was talking about Captain Lou Albano, who was a kind of wrestling manager and plays her dad in the video for Girls Just Want to Have Fun. And her just saying Lou Albano, I, like, freaked out. Like, I was, like, so tickled by that reference. And I realized I'm not into wrestling now in my adult life, but in my childhood, I was really into it. And, like, hearing—so I'm hoping that it'll be some folks from memory lane for me.

Yeah, I mean, you've really—see, I do the opposite. it i go into a quiz i say well i don't know anything about this i'm gonna do terribly but you're kind of like hey listen this is my wheelhouse i should i'll do badly but i'll enjoy it i'll do badly and i'll enjoy it yep um okay because this is uh a quiz about rap and wrestling i have the perfect music here okay well played okay here we go here's question number one oh and these are spread out in a way that you and i can both make guesses before i reveal the answer so here's the first one the big show the big show a rapper or wrestler the big show really big show really big show oh you know what i spoke too soon this is the highlight of the summer how is it that at our

at our age we're not young people anymore i was thinking about this the other day as i was walking through town and i was seeing people and i was trying to gauge if they were older or younger than me and there were many people who honestly appealed appear very middle age and i'm like i bet you they're younger than me yeah and i realized what happens in life i'm gonna say something profound now andrew what happens in life is at some point you're kind of usually the youngest person in the room you're kind of like you're always like huh everyone's a bit older than me and then everyone's about your age and then everyone's younger than you. I understand that's how aging works, but I'm observing it in my own life. If I go for a walk around Lake Sacagawea in Longview, Washington, half the people will be younger than me. And that wasn't always the case. Now, I say this because something that you said right a minute ago, and by the way, this is another sign of aging. We're doing imitations of... Why did we grow up, why did you and I grow up knowing how to do an Ed Sullivan imitation when neither of us were, like, alive when Ed Sullivan was on the air.

Yeah, I don't know. And also, I mean, obviously my imitation was not good. I don't even know if that's what I started doing. I just started saying the big shoe, and then it sort of morphed into that clearly. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess it was really iconic. I mean, I guess.

Kind of, but, like, show me a 15-year-old who's walking around with a Johnny Carson impression.

Right, or even a David Letterman impression, honestly. Exactly. That would be more apropos, I think.

but like kids our age if you said really big show when we were like 15 probably the person would

know oh that's like an ed sullivan reference yeah i think so although i almost said johnny carson before when i said of course it's ed sullivan weird wild stuff yeah see there there's that oh i love it yeah ed sullivan uh i'm sorry not ed sullivan ed mcmahon mcmahon uh okay so Boy, I'm really slappy. My apologies. My brain is dead right now. But I'm going to read this question again. You've got all weekend to rest it up. That's right. There, there.

Rest your tumor.

The Big Show, rapper or wrestler, Luke? I am going to go with The Big Show was a rapper. I don't know, but I'm going to guess that for myself. I think it's a wrestler. You think it's a wrestler?

Not really from my era, but I feel like I saw some kind of thing for, like, WCW.

raw and it was like the big show I think the big show is a wrestler the good news is we will hear a bell because one of us has to be right right yes I love it so that's good the big show Paul White known as big show is an American professional wrestler and actor and rapper no I added that last time known for his long time that would be great if every single person

was a rapper slash wrestler like thank you

flash for making this unlosable so paul white that's w-i-g-h-t for whatever that's worth known for his long tenure in the wrestling industry and his portrayal of a fictionalized version of himself in the netflix series the big show show are you familiar with the big show show i'm not hmm how about oh how about big daddy cane i think we both know that we know obviously that is a Rapper, Antonio Hardy, also known as Big Daddy Kane, is an American rapper, songwriter, and actor recognized for his influential contributions to hip-hop music and his appearances in films and television like Posse and Dead Heist. Big Daddy Kane. The pause there was me coughing my head off. Did you notice how quickly I had to read the second half of that answer? I was about to cough right into the microphone. I raced through that now I was thinking about something though do you remember a video that went viral I'm gonna say like 10 years ago but it was from way back in the day and it was Big Daddy Kane doing something amazing on stage and it ended with it ended with a mic drop but it's also him I believe like does he shake his fur coat off at one point and I think he's I think he's definitely improvising I don't know if it's a rap battle does any of this ring a bell to you at all

It's Big Daddy Kane, though, specifically. You remember? Yes. I do feel like when I picture Big Daddy Kane in my mind, he does have like a, he has like a fur cloak on of some kind. Yeah, exactly. He was always very, he's, and I believe he's still with us. He's a very sort of like dapper gentleman.

Yes, he's always, yeah, he's got a big fur cloak. Like a green, like a money green suit with like a top hat and some kind of cloak. Oh, I know what it is. He pretends like he drops the mic on stage. I'm watching this here. He pretends like he drops the mic on stage, like he's fumbling around for it. But then he picks it up and he works it into the rap that he's singing. Take a listen to that.

That Ben Starfella coming from the Brookwood.

Drop shit and still make it look good. Oh, damn.

Right?

Pretty good. He fakes dropping the microphone. Oh, man, that gave me chills watching that again. That's great. Okay. Very cool stuff. Okay. People compare me to Big Daddy Kane often. Just exuding a certain coolness, you know, in a bigness, in a daddiness. Big John Studs. Oh, please. It's got to be a wrestler, right? That's my guess. Big John Stud.

Of course, dude. Not to be confused with Hacksaw Jim Duggan, who carried a two-by-four into the ring. Oh, yeah. Big John Studd, because Studd is also, I think that was a reference to a horse or something. But I always remember slightly confusing those because I did know that when you were hanging a picture, you wanted to try to find the stud in the wall. But then Hacksaw Jim Duggan carried a two-by-four, but he was not Big John Studd. Oh, that's why you connect him. Big John Studd was, in fact, a wrestler.

Oh, interesting. But was there like somebody in his entourage who was known as the stud finder? And when you couldn't find Big John, you had to go around knocking on doors.

One of those damn little laser things that's supposed to find it?

Oh, man, I remember the magnetic ones with the little like kind of needle type of thing that my dad had. Here's the little blurb. Big John Stud, also known as John William Minton, was an American professional wrestler best known for his time in WWE, where he achieved great success as a larger-than-life competitor, participating in high-profile matches and becoming a prominent figure in the wrestling industry. Yeah, he was 6'10". Whoa! Hence the name Big John Stud. Wow, okay. I don't know how many of these there are, by the way. Should I go back? I do feel like I'm a little bit floating in space without the music, so can we bring this back? Okay, are you ready for another question?

I'm getting these answers right before you are, Andrew, which is why I'm able to make so much money off of you. I have a ticker that's giving me the answers to the wrestling or rapper quiz and then you get the answers a little bit after I do and that moment is my competitive advantage

Luke, I mean it when I say this Why I ought to We did it, Andrew We've officially reached the point of absolute slapitude

I'm so slap We've been good this time around

of not overly obsessing on the fact that we do pre-record these summer games, but what'll happen is, during a given week, we'll be both doing regular TBTLs and then the extra recordings, and then by about the 10th summer game, we've said everything possibly interesting we could ever say during a given week of time. Plus. And then that's where you get this. That's where you get this. And I say this with all sincerity, why I

oughta. I am doing today's show slap the tube test okay number four big boss man a rapper or wrestler i this is a coin flip for me but do you know yes well then i should guess before you tell me um if you're

that confident i'm gonna say wrestler big boss you are using deductive reasoning wisely my friend okay because he is a wrestler and if i remember it he was like a cop oh really and back the blue Andrew is really what I've come to say on this Friday I think Big Boss Man was yeah he was like a cop that was his shtick A-Wab it'll let it sink in

I'm doing

I'm doing the math in my brain okay A-Wab Ray Taylor Jr. also known as Big Boss Man was an American professional wrestler notable for his time in the WWE where he portrayed a prison guard persona often engaging in memorable feuds and matches with various wrestlers, leaving a lasting impact on the wrestling world. He was a prison guard. That's interesting, not a cop.

Yeah, you're right. So in my little nine-year-old brain, I just saw he had a nightstick, and he was wearing a blue outfit, and I was like, that's a policeman.

Now, were there any wrestlers who were literally supposed to be convicts?

No.

Anybody with like the black and white striped classic prison garb.

That would be a great, that would be a great bit. I don't, during my time of watching a lot of wrestling, I don't remember any characters who were, I mean, that'd be a good, if you were going to be a heel, that'd be a pretty great, you know, that'd be a pretty great backstory. Although I don't know if a lot of the wrestling fans have been in prison, so you'd have to be really worried about the verisimilitude. Yeah, right. You'd have to really nail the details with your prison characters. But, like, I was really into any high flyers. So I really loved a guy named Jimmy Superfly Snooka because he would do a lot of stuff off of the top. Really what I was into, Andrew, was gymnastics. And it just so happened that what I was watching was wrestling. But all I wanted to see was I didn't care about pile drivers. I didn't care about figure four leg locks. I just wanted to see people climb up on the top rope, on the turnbuckle or whatever, and do like a backflip onto a dude. That's what I was always there for. I was really there for the gymnastics aspect of all of this.

Was Big Van Vader somebody who would go over the top, Luke? Rapper or wrestler? Big Van Vader. Big Van Vader. I'm going to go with wrestler because it doesn't seem like a rapper.

The Vader thing sounds like a wrestler to me. And also, not a rapper that I know. I'm going to go wrestler.

So we're both going wrestler, scrolling down. Leon White, this one spelled W-H-I-T-E, also known as Big Van Vader, was an American professional wrestler and former football player renowned for his imposing size, intense wrestling style, and iconic mask. He achieved championship success in both WCW and WWE. So I want to know what that mask looked like. Can you look that up?

I remember it now. It was heavy. it was strong um what's the word i'm looking for um strong bdsm vibrations coming off yes van fader's

mask it was red leather dead baby yes red leather but not like a solid it's not a total hood like there's a lot it's like a lot of straps it just looks like it's missing the ball gag yeah that's

upsetting yeah i think i remember being a kid and being like that guy's that guy's uh that guy's

not right that guy is not right big daddy v right or it could be big daddy five if that's a roman

numeral now i'm thinking of bam bam bigelow i was about to mix up um i was about to mix up big boss man with bam bam bigelow bam bam bigelow i believe had his his head was a tattoo like his where he would have hair was a big tattoo i'd never seen anything like that till i saw but it

was it like an arch like an archie andrews tat haircut tattoo to his head what if he had tattooed hair but it was like the most like the worst hairstyle just like well not only that but just like very innocent like kind of boy next door 1950s era

He had also had a slingshot tattooed to his back pocket after he broke a window.

Dennis the Menace, if not a cute cartoon, could have been a good wrestling name, actually. Great wrestling name. Dennis the Menace, rapper or wrestler or next door neighbor kids. Exactly.

Tormentor of Mr. Wilson.

Yeah, I feel like the older I get, the more I'd like to hear Mr. Wilson's side of that story.

I'm not saying Yeah, not like get off my lawn My lawn, I don't want you on it This is my lawn and you must get off it now That's a really good point We should and we won't But we could Sit down and basically analyze The things Dennis the Menace did to Mr. Wilson And then ask ourselves What would our response be

I just feel like Mr. Wilson is often Just trying to read the newspaper in his own yard And Dennis is bugging him with too many questions

I think he's, I feel like stuff gets dug up. I feel like there was a lot of, maybe it was Dennis, maybe, I might be confusing Marmaduke and Dennis.

Marmaduke the Menace is a very different situation. That's actually exactly the same. Did I ever tell you back when the internet was pretty dang new, there was some blog or something like that that I enjoyed? What did we all have back then? The blogging platform that everybody kind of had one. can't think of it off the top of my head but there was one that just took every marmaduke cartoon basically ever and just changed the caption to oh marmaduke you big dumb dog and it worked for every single one because it was just one joke not to be confused with the person who took like what was it garfield and without garfield well the one there were a couple of different versions the one that i knew i think was slightly less popular because i was kind of alternative like that but I think they merely erased Garfield's thought bubbles.

Garfield erasure, Andrew, is something we don't talk about at all.

There was a different one that did something different, but the one that I remember, the OG one, somebody just erased every thought bubble coming from Garfield, so you just had John acting crazy around a cat that was not reacting in any way. But I think somebody did something different where they ended up swapping what they were saying or something. I could be wrong about that second one.

There was one that I watched or watched, read, that was like, in somehow changing something, you just realized that John was living a deeply lonely life. Yes. Which, honestly, I don't even know if you need to take anything away from the comic.

Oh, I know. Here's what it is. The one that I saw originally merely erased what Garfield was saying slash thinking, but the one that got really a lot of traction was Garfield minus Garfield, where they just erased the entire cat totally. So you just had John going around reacting to nothing. I actually thought it was funnier when he was reacting to a cat that was giving him nothing, but he was acting more and more agitated by a cat who was merely looking at him.

I've got a few Dennis the Menace menacing Mr. Wilson here. And I'm just in one, Dennis the Menace is playing a trumpet and standing right next to Mr. Wilson's like recliner. And Mr. Wilson is covering his ears. And Dennis says, for a jazz lover, you're not very open-minded. Again, you went over to his house, and you're blaring a horn at him. There's one where Mr. Wilson is dozing in his recliner, and Dennis says to Mrs. Wilson, Mr. Wilson always gets tired before the TV does. There's one where Dennis is talking to his friend, and Mr. Wilson is reading the newspaper. This is all unfolding in Mr. Wilson's house, by the way. Yeah, right. His house. That's your first problem. His house. Stand your ground, dude. Honestly. Dennis is saying to his friend It takes a long time for a smile To get to Mr. Wilson's face Mr. Wilson is weighing himself In the bathroom For some reason Dennis is in there Dennis should not be in there Absolutely not I mean for everyone involved And Dennis is looking at the scale And says Wow that has to be the highest number You ever got So now he's body shaming Mr. Wilson That's awful Come on Dennis Get the out of thine's bathroom Thank you Let's see Then they have a little moment Oh, here's an emotional Mr. Wilson They're standing in the attic And Mr. Wilson is holding a ship in a bottle And I don't even actually know What the caption is here But it says, Dennis says If all this stuff is so special How come it's up here Instead of downstairs And you can see that Mr. Wilson Is holding this ship in a bottle He has a tear coming out of his eye because he's feeling nostalgic about this stuff.

But wait, am I missing something there, though? Is there also a joke that we're not hearing?

That's the entirety of the caption. Dennis is looking around at Mr. Wilson's treasured items that are in the attic that are causing him to get a little in his feelings, and Dennis's thought is... If all this stuff is so special, how come it's all up here instead of downstairs? That's the joke.

I'm looking at him just trying to see if I can put eyes on this.

Oh, I can send it to you. I was interested in it because it represents a real human side of Mr. Wilson. He's a guy that's got a ship in a bottle. He's crying. This kid is ruining it for him. Is this a Culkin who is in the movie? I forgot they made a movie of this. I don't know if he is, but he sure looks like it. I know the picture you're referring to. I'm going to take a picture of this particular one and send it to you. Maybe it can be the show pic today. A Crying Mr. Wilson. So let's see. The mischievous child. Ooh, mischievous. Mason Gamble.

Oh, Mason Gamble. I don't know who that is.

He, I think, was also in some other stuff. For some reason, I know. Or that's a backup quarterback for the Arizona Cardinal.

He's not the kid in Home Alone 4 with the remote control car. I don't think.

He's a former actor. How interesting.

Oh, you never see that because, yeah, when do you close the book on that? Most people are always open.

Mason Gamble is an American former actor. He played the eponymous comic character in the 1993 film Dennis the Menace, selected from over 20,000 children. He played a sidekick.

Oh, he's the kid with the brogue, right, in Rushmore?

He's not the kid with the brogue. He's the other kid. Oh, that's right. The kid with the brogue was a bully, right? The kid with the brogue is a bully. He is the other kid who is his mom. Max is always hitting on his mom, I think. Oh, yes.

Wait, Max is always hitting on the teacher, right?

Well, I think – or is it maybe that – I think Max is always very cozy, I think, with Dennis the Menace's mom or something. There's something involving Dennis the Menace kid's mom in that movie.

Yes, I think the bully claims to have – Have hooked up with her. Yes, exactly. Somehow I think the bully is using his mom as a pain point.

Now, let me tell you what Mason Gamble is up to right now, Andrew. He is a doctoral candidate in environmental science and engineering at UCLA.

Wow. Yes, I just typed in Mason Gamble stopped acting to see what would come up, and I'm seeing it. Yeah, it says after nearly two decades of acting for the better part of his childhood, But he apparently made the decision to walk away to pursue other interests. His final screen role was the 2010 film Golf in the Kingdom. Golf in the Kingdom.

Good for him, though. I mean, that's an impressive thing to be getting your Ph.D. in environmental science at UCLA. We need more people studying these things. What I don't like is that in 1993, when he played Dennis the Menace, they nominated him for the Razzie Award for Worst New Star. and also the Young Artist Award for Best, like, in other words, there was a Razzie for him as the worst new star. He's a kid. Leave him alone. You should not have a Razzie for child actors.

I agree with that. I agree. And that's the kid really sucks.

And also, as we learned in Rushmore, the kid's not a bad actor.

Right.

I'm sure that the people that were, you know, directing him in Dennis the Menace were never, I can tell you what they never said. Can we take it down a little?

Yeah.

Can we get a little more naturalistic with the delivery? I'm sure he just had a room full of adults going like, amp it up, dude. Make it even more ridiculous. I thought he delivered a very subtle and memorable performance in Rushmore.

I agree. Well, sort of memorable to the degree that I can remember it. I realize I'm sort of signing off on that. I remember him being fine, but I also, it's been a long time since I've seen that movie. We only have 18 more of these. Okay. Is that how many you want to get through? No, I don't know how many there are. It's just there's a lot of white space. Don't bother me.

I'm bird watching.

So Big Daddy V or Big Daddy Five, rapper or wrestler? I think that's a rapper, Big Daddy Five. I accidentally scrolled ahead, so I'm going to. What is it? My brain is so dead right now, Luke. I feel so bad. What is it? I'm going to recuse myself.

Big Daddy Five, I think. Yeah, just you don't even. You know what, Andrew? You just take the rest of the show off. I got this. Okay. I think Big Daddy 5 is a rapper. But what if he was also a wrestler?

I think I would have heard of him if he were a wrestler. Trick question. He was both. Nelson Frazier Jr., who was originally known as Big Daddy V during his wrestling career and later became Big Daddy Voodoo in his musical endeavors. Frazier competed in various wrestling promotions, including WWE, before briefly pursuing a career as a rapper under his altered stage name, Big Daddy Voodoo. Do you think that we would enjoy the music of Big Daddy Voodoo, and do we think that he wrote The Entertainer, or was that Scott Joplin?

That's for the historians to debate, Andrew. I'll tell you something else about these wrestlers. Oh, they—

This looks awful. They do not tend to live long lives. Almost every wrestler that we've mentioned, and then I've looked up, the first thing that will come up is the tragic life of fill in the blank. Like, I mean, obviously, it's a physically very punishing sport to be a part of. Are we going to call it a sport? Yeah, it's a sport. I mean, it's a hard physical thing you're doing. And then there's the lifestyle. There's all the stuff around it. But I feel like you just a lot of these wrestlers, they they they they end up dying kind of would seem before their time.

I typed in Big Daddy Voodoo and I saw a bunch of images pop up and I was like, oh, God, this looks awful. And then I realized, oh, the Internet only recognizes Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. Big Daddy Voodoo. I just reacted negatively to one of the biggest bands of the 90s, one of the biggest ska bands of the 90s.

Not ska, swing.

Really?

I don't, yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess so, swing, yeah. Listen, I'm as sad as anyone to report this to you, Andrew, but I was definitely found swing dancing at the Derby in L.A., listening to the music of Big Bad Voodoo Daddy.

And they did not have a ska component, huh? It wasn't like trombone heavy or something?

Well, I mean, no, they were like, I mean, they did have like horns in the band, but they were playing, I can't think of it because I have too much Scott Joplin in my head, but, like, it was Big Bad Voodoo Daddy was, they're all in, like, pinstripe suits, there's a big upright bass, you know, and it was all music that was kind of meant to swing dance to, whereas, like, Fishbone was kind of more ska, or the, what's the band from Boston? The Mighty Mighty Boss Tones. Yes, those guys, I think of those guys as being very ska-like. Bart Skompson You know usually I'm okay with people Stealing my trademark but this is just Objectively bad

So here's an article from The Ringer How Big Bad Voodoo Daddy became the Last niche act to play the Super Bowl Halftime show Wait a minute Stop the show

Why I ought to And I say this with all seriousness Why I ought to

are you how what how did i forget this stevie wonder gloria estefan and big bad voodoo daddy so okay they're part of a uh part of a composite here i'm looking to see if i can actually i'm

sure they played you and me and the bottle makes three tonight um that's what what an interesting way what an interesting lens through which to observe our culture and and by that i mean our sports culture and kind of where the nfl is now i mean the nfl i think has been pretty popular throughout most of its existence but the time when it would have been three kind of you know sort of reasonably well known well certainly gloria stefan is pretty well known who was the other one uh stevie wonder and stevie wonder very well known yeah but like and then big bad voodoo daddy like that like that it's so comical that those people i mean no offense to them they're probably great guys great people but that that would be you know i mean think about like um think about rihanna at the super bowl last year and the level of production and just the level of fame that rihanna has um rihanna excuse me has like it's such a big cultural deal to play the super bowl halftime show they're not giving it out to whoever the big bad voodoo daddy of

2023 2023 is it looks like it was a big ordeal they had a whole bunch of people out on stage doing swing dancing but what i'm amazed by so this is 1999 and it opens up like it's a sunday night movie from the 80s practically it's like it shows off the you know like now the the performance just begins and then special performers will like kind of surprise you and come out throughout like this time they like slate everybody who's coming up i'm gonna i'm gonna tap into this here about 30 seconds in for some reason et yes i recognize that music is flipping the switch to turn on the

halftime show i don't understand that and radio city entertainment proudly presents today's progressive auto insurance super bowl 33 halftime show starring stevie wonder gloria estefan and special and they're showing big bad voodoo daddy and they were showing like the the performers in

little, like, framed pictures as they floated across the screen.

It looks like Stevie Wonder is petting E.T.'s head for some reason. Oh, you're watching a lot. That was a weird element.

Ooh, a lot of people. God, this takes me back, Andrew. A lot of people swing dancing out on the football field.

This big bad voodoo daddy takes me back. Just see those people on stage doing that swing dance? That was me, my friend, at the Phoenix Underground in Seattle. I like that a lot of these people are dancing actually on tur-

I mean, there's a stage in the middle, but now the whole thing becomes a stage, right? But back then in the 90s, they just did it on the turf. 90s swing bands, co-ed naked 90s swing banding. We did it on the turf. I had the Big Johnson's t-shirt. I think somebody was on stilts, but I could be wrong. But that's about as much as I'm willing to play of this.

Super Bowl XXXIII was played in Miami, Florida. The Denver Broncos beat the Atlanta Falcons 34-19. So Florida, that would make total sense. Bernie Kukar was the referee famously for that game. I just remember that right off the top of my head.

I had a very big crush on Gloria Estefan when she came out with that video in the 90s where all I remember is— All cried out? I don't think so. i know that she's sitting on the moon in a red dress and bestill my heart that's all i know i added the bestill my heart it was my heart that needed bestilling i'm googling gloria estefan moon it's got to be like her biggest hit from the night i feel like it was on vh1 every hour on the hour i don't know maybe we can look into that during the winter games andrew you want to move along here but i'm just getting started luke all right i do want to Okay, I'm going to give you one more so that you can chew on this while I look up this Gloria Estefan video. Big Mellow, rapper or wrestler? Ooh, that's a good one. I am going to say rapper. You're going to say rapper. Let me scroll down. Big Mellow, you said rapper.

By the way, apparently I've been looking up big-ass fans. You know, that's a real company. Because when I put Big into the search bar to try to figure out if Big Mellow is a rapper or a wrestler, it might the url autocorrect autocompletes to bigassfans.com and is that like literally fans like to yeah like a fan that you like put in your house to keep your house circulated and the company's called and i don't like the name at all but no it's terrible it's like ceiling fans right but they do they they're kind of the industry standard on it and i'm not a fan of the name

i cannot believe like this video there this song it wasn't just because i maybe had a little crush going on i swear um this song was huge but i'm not coming up with any of them so it wasn't um it wasn't uh the rhythm is gonna get you no that was i think i think that was before yeah that was earlier didn't you do a song called all cried out over you that i don't know i don't think that's the song i'm thinking of i can't wait until the winter games to figure this out but i uh it was more of a issue was um you know it was more of a it seemed like it was less of a dance number in my head a torch song that's why i thought i cried out yeah let me i mean let me look up i all cried out uh over you you think it was uh no that's definitely not it i've i've seen this before this one is a very white linen oh and that's also lisa lisa and cult jam oh it's not Yeah, just call up. Okay, yeah.

Sorry to everyone who just threw your phone right out of your car. Do a U-turn. Wait until it's safe. Do a U-turn. Get your phone and continue on with your day.

I don't want to lose you coming out of the dark. I see you smile. Go away. Always tomorrow. Not one of these. Not one of these rings any bell. Anyway, I'll talk to you guys in the winter and I'll let you know.

Big Mellow is a rapper, Andrew.

And I've now confirmed this.

I'm going to play Big Mellow's top song from 1994, for We Gone Funk With Your Mind. Okay. I love how unbelievably specific 90s hip-hop of a certain kind is. It just sounds so of a time period

Yeah, it's that West Coast

That total West Coast thing

I like somebody who names himself Big Mellow

Yeah I like that you're managing expectations You're like, I'm not going to You know, it's like, look I don't want to promise anything that I can't deliver on It's going to be fairly mellow when I'm around. In fact, it's going to be a large amount of mellow.

Yeah, exactly. We're probably going to play darts. OK, I got the song here, which I'm really I know that this has been a really painful five minutes for people as I'd like to totally stop caring about the show. But I did get to this song. I'm not going to tell you the name of it. I'm just going to hit play. It's not Scotch.

Joplin, I'm not playing that. Okay, so it does have a beat. Of course, Gloria Estefan, it's always going to have some sort of beat. Well, it's got an entire sound machine behind it. Exactly. This is from 1991. Tell me if any of this ends up bringing a bell to you. So it's kind of a jungle setting. Oh, yeah, live to love you, baby, or something. Yeah, live for loving you. I remember the song. Yeah. Oh, man, her bass player is such a dork. Think of what I'd like to do while you are somewhere dreaming. Yeah, it was kind of a mixture. It was sort of like animated with live action kind of combined. A lot of that in the 90s sort of. Anyway, okay, there you go. That's Gloria Estefan's Live for Loving You. What was the question? Oh, she does. That's a spectacular dress. and she is sitting on the moon. Your memory, Andrew, I want you to get some credit. Well, yeah. Whereas I was attributing a Lisa Lisa song to her. Right, right, right. You at least, you're right. You were right about the broad stroke. I feel like she was very stunning sitting on the moon if I'm recalling that correctly. So, there you go. A little bit of male gaze to end the summer game. Boy, Andrew, let's be honest. Boy gaze. You know what I mean? Why is that worse? Why does that create me like a 14-year-old Andrew Walsh I'll be liking Gloria Estefan. I'm going to give you a clearance on that, a license on that. Thank you, baby. All right. Excellente. So I guess we're done now. No, let me go find – I need to find the list of today's daily donors who we are going to be thanking. All of my notes are on a different tab. My tabs are now filled up with a ragtime and Gloria Estefan. That really took me on a journey. So I don't have the donors in front of me. I've got them right here, Andrew. They're booting up as we speak. Thank you for being patient. It will only take another minute to thank our daily donors. Oh, my gosh. You guys, we're going to be back on Monday. Will you be back on Monday is the question. All right. I have them in front of me. I got them. Good friend starting the list Hey look who it is It's our friend Lisa Bloom up there in Bellingham Checking in from the Pickleball District Exactly thank you Lisa Thanks Lisa appreciate ya This of course these are folks that are donating To the show on a monthly basis And it's Big deal to us it's how we're able to Do this for our job yes this is Our job don't act so shocked And it's thanks to folks like Lisa Also folks like Stephen Lee who's in Shelton, Connecticut. Connecticut. I say that in my mind.

I had to say that as a kid to remember how to spell it. Uh-huh. And now I just, I have to stop myself from calling it the state of Connecticut. Mm-hmm. Yes. Danielle Gaudreau is in Nashua, New Hampshire. Yeah, you know who that is. That's lawyer Danny. Uh-huh. I figured that was one of our Dannys, one of our legal eagles. Thank you, Danny, so much. Also, Tanya Rettinger is in Renton, Washington. Thank you, Tanya. Another name that I've been seeing since I think I've been a part of the show. That's right. Tanya, longtime supporter of the program. And then we, of course, got to thank Philip Brock, who's in Richmond, Virginia. That's one of the best Richmonds. It's classic Richmond, Virginia. It is. It is totally classic Richmond. And then Stacey Bryant is in Madison, Wisconsin. Classic Madison. Very clean city. Did you spend any time in Madison, Wisconsin in your times in the Midwest? You know what? I just had a very clean city. Yeah, I think I visited Madison once for a public radio-related event when I was still in college. And I went with two, like, actual reporters who were actual reporters at the public radio station I worked for. And I felt so adult. Oh, I bet. Because I can't remember if it was a conference or what it was. but we uh had um Ethiopian food beforehand and I'm just like I'm sitting on the floor or at this very small bread in a different state with um these two reporters one of whom I had um quite the crush on Julie Grant um who you might still sometimes hear on the radio we're still friends um and uh will this be the first she's hearing of that um no no that's not I mean but she wasn't the person who said oh andrew um no that was not something i had a crush on that was just somebody who was in uh when i was in an internship she was just somebody who i looked up to who i disappointed greatly on my last day um by giving a goodbye speech that began well i'll probably never see any of you again

Um, so anyway, no, but I do remember just like going with these two reporters to, I believe I want to say Madison and, uh, eating Ethiopian food and just feeling like the world was my oyster, which was weird that they were serving oysters there. Big in Ethiopia.

Very, very huge. One of the main, uh, one of the main dishes that you'll have in Ethiopia. I know that feeling, um, of just kind of, again, being particularly when you're young and when something exciting is happening and it just feels like everything is potential. I'm trying to re-embrace that a little bit I'm being totally serious here I talk a lot about the fact that I'm middle-aged now And how it feels really different And I've even described it as I can feel the plane Beginning its initial descent But I've also been really trying to work lately On this idea of Not just giving in to that And not just assuming that everything good in my life Has already happened I think state of mind has a lot to do With how we experience the world And I'm trying to really I really am trying to subtly shift my my feelings from being like, you know, everything that was good that was going to happen has happened and it's all downhill from here and be more like, hey, there could be some really fun, exciting, invigorating things ahead in my life. And I'm trying I'm trying to focus more than just being like, you know, it's all over.

yeah well and it's interesting we're talking about a very specific thing that comes with being a young adult too which is the sort of the element of i want to say surprise here but that's not quite it um but that's for trapping a skunk you gotta have the elements yeah and stay up but maybe the the the like awe maybe or feeling like the world is a bigger place and you're just starting to to get to know it like because i wouldn't i'm 46 i wouldn't go back in time i don't think like to any age I mean I had great times but I also love my life right now and I'm in more control of my life than ever right now you know um and so for me it's not like wanting to go back and relive anything but it is true when we talk about these moments when you and I were young adults and I feel like you and I were both fortunate to be poised to feel like we were being set up for success and in an in a fun industry um and it felt like we were sort of like getting access to something a little bit earlier maybe and also people i think in both of our cases although probably more rightfully for you would you know really talk about like how talented we were or whatever and how like the world really was going to be our oyster one of those famous ethiopian oysters and um and like while we can still enjoy life as older people like it might be that sense of discovery maybe is what i'm looking for awe and discovery that maybe could feel like it's it you don't have as many opportunities to do that but also for in my case it's because I don't put myself in that position to do that are you kidding me like I hardly ever leave my couch let alone that was the last time you had Ethiopian honestly almost I have been craving Ethiopian food lately have you ever there's a really good well I don't know if it's

open anymore but there was a really good Ethiopian place in kind of like the Madrona neighborhood oh okay that I used to like to go to try that there's a lot of great stuff kind of in like central Seattle there's like some pockets I think Of a lot of Ethiopian American folks living there I should make a point lots of local Go down to the twilight does the twilight exit

Still exist yeah I think it still exists in that same

Go down go down go get you Some really good Ethiopian food and then And go celebrate with a drink at the twilight Exit for me and twilight in forever

Remember we'd go you and I were going to The twilight quite a bit that was one of our main

Stomps yeah we play

Domino's I remember playing domino's With you and the gang there anyway do you I know we got to go, but do you sort of agree with what I was sort of assessing there? Not that, at least I don't feel like life is bad or like, oh, there's no more time left, but just sort of like that. I guess there's that sense of being a young person and sort of feeling like the world is just cracking open for you.

Exactly. And now it's a little bit, it takes a little bit more mental work for me to have that sense of wonder because I just have, I've done a lot of living at this point and I've been involved in various scenarios. And yeah, like the first time something happens, I'm even thinking about like the first time that I went on any kind of work trip, it was to go to this thing called Morning Show Boot Camp in New Orleans when I was the morning producer at KVI. And I've told this story so many times, but I didn't understand that when your company sent you on a work trip, they paid for the plane ticket and the hotel. and like uh my the people i worked for purchasing me an airplane ticket to fly to new orleans and then uh my own room in the westin hotel like i just could not handle it like i was like this is the most i mean and and honestly like not that long before that i had worked for a plumbing company and that's that's good honest work let me tell you but like it was just i just couldn't believe my luck and I mean that was really what it was a lot of luck to get to like be you know

In this world where, like, my job today is to go to a bunch of, like, meetings about coming up with morning show bits.

Yeah.

With, like, Kevin and Bean.

Yeah.

I mean, literally, Kevin and Bean would be there. Like, I just couldn't, I could not believe it. And now, it's like, I have to fly to, well, I have to fly to Chicago this week to do Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. And while I enjoy being part of that show, no part of me is thrilled about getting on an airplane and flying to Chicago. it's like it's that that wonder like you said i think you described it aptly by saying that it's like the world is just starting to open up you're just sort of cracking that egg that egg has been pretty cracked for me um and so what i have to do is work towards finding joy in all kinds of things and finding ways to be delighted by life even if it's something that i need to find a way to be delighted by the fact that i'm going to chicago this week in the way that i would have been if you man 22 year old luke forget morning show boot camp 22 year old Luke If you were like here's what we're doing this week We're recording effectively A radio show in our house all week And also we're getting on an airplane and flying To a theater where there'll be I don't know a thousand people or something Chanting your name when you walk on stage Before you then make jokes for an hour I'd be like there's no way that's my real life You know So staying connected to that is probably Important for me

Yeah and like I don't live the life You live and I know that like with live wire and everything i couldn't handle it even if i had the talent just too

no there's just too much cheese in it is the real issue it's way too much mayo luke why i oughta

um yeah but no there's right i want to say i want to say this in a way that doesn't diminish the specialness of the somewhat recent four thousandth episode that we did because that was really special. And I had a really good time up on stage. I mean, I feel like, you know, I've done live shows with you where I'm done and I'm just like, ugh, like that was pretty rough just thinking about my own participation in it or whatever. And the 4,000th was really good. In fact, I haven't told you this, but I've heard from several people. I mean, from listeners, not just people within our friend group who have listened to the show and said, by the way, you know, live shows of a podcast, not always my favorite thing, but that was the closest live show you guys have ever done that sort of sounded like a regular episode of TBTL. I've heard that from several people. That is a high compliment. Yes, that is one of the highest compliments you can play because that's pay because that's one of the things we really wanted to do is to do what we do well. And there was a moment when we were planning it out where you and I were getting a little scripty and we had to both remind each other, now let's back away from the script. Let's just remember that what people like to do is listen to us bullshit and chat and try to figure out what Gloria Estefan song Andrew became a man to. Just joking. That's really gross. But but I also can think back to being very new in public radio and having like opportunities to drive Adam. Who's your buddy from? Wait, wait, don't tell me. Felber. Adam Felber as a huge Adam Felber fan. And I remember him coming to New Hampshire and me driving him from the airport to the station or something, you know, and I'm almost wondering, like, was I more psyched to drive Adam Felber? to his hotel room right in 2001 and that's not true no i was not more psyched to do that but the feeling like i don't know maybe i'm i guess it's just adulthood and it's just kind of like on stage it's like i have a job to do don't mess it up don't mess it up don't mess it up as opposed to what kind of a world do i live in where i'm just driving adam felber around you know yeah

no i totally i totally know exactly what you're talking about and i i have i have versions of that all the time where i think about something that um i've brought this up a million times but i remember early on in being the work study student at kuow when it would be election night and this was so long ago that literally we stacked four televisions i'm talking tube televisions would stack four tvs um in the newsroom because we didn't have it wasn't even the kind of newsroom where you just have like flat screen tvs mounted somewhere it was like bring out the tvs put them like next to the printer and stack them on each other so we can be monitoring all of the local you know seattle news stations because they're scrolling you know the latest election results and there was a template that would be printed out that would have all the races and then as soon as i saw the latest results i would feverishly write in the results and i would run that piece of paper up to marcy silman and steve share and dave beck or maybe guy nelson whoever you know was running the thing and just that excitement of like running in with the results from like a local election in state of washington and they would get pizza they would get polly achi's pizza there'd be like 10 box and more pizza than i'd ever seen andrew and salad and i'd be sitting there eating polly achi's pizza off of a paper plate from polly achi's and running these results in and then and this is the part that I've talked about a lot too i remember driving back to my apartment and listening to the credits this is like 12 30 at night and steve scherer is just listing the people that helped produce the broadcast and he says luke burbank and the jolt that shot through me hearing my name read at 12 30 on kuow from helping with the election results was just like that was electric to me and i let's just say it's a challenge for me to reconnect with that level of kind of child childlike enjoyment of things even though there are many things that happen in my life um that are more focused on me and where you know i'm more prominent in the in the performance aspect of whatever it is but that was so exciting for me yeah and also in my case i also wonder how

much of it is that i don't put myself because i'm kind of like good i'm through the hard part now i can just stay home and play darts you know like my comfort zone is like i'm more comfortable staying in my comfort zone sort of or i don't well feel that i just feel like i have no other

marketable well first of all i'm i'm just far too unserious to have any real job and like you know a job where i needed to actually do something and deliver it to my team that i work on you know like week after week of like looking at reports or going out whatever real people do with their jobs i don't have it so for me it's like all this performance stuff that i do it's kind of the only thing that i really know how to do at this point of life and i really i've said i probably said this before on the show i legitimately feel like right now anyway in this moment and not just because we're almost in our like 15th hour of podcasting already this week i feel like if i never went on stage again and talked into a microphone i would be okay like i would i don't think i have any more performing that i need to do in my life uh or i don't feel like i need any more attention ever paid to me in the performance area not that i've been so great at it or i'm like the you know michael jordan of it i've just done plenty of it if i could just like do this show with you like two days a week just because it's fun to talk to you um and i think that would be okay with me like there was a period of time where i desperately craved people paying attention to me i feel like that period of time is over but maybe just because i haven't tested that theory yeah i'm

still dubious about that you and i have been having a version of that conversation for years now and i i feel like i'm always like i think that you would it would come out in other ways i think

They don't come out in other less socially acceptable ways.

I mean, there was a time when you were saying stuff like this, but also you kind of surprised me on the show by saying, you know, I've been doing a little bit of stand-up at open mics. Do you remember that? Like five years ago. Five, maybe?

Yeah, I think there was a place called Firefly in Bellingham that had an open mic night. And I think I would go down there and go up occasionally just to kind of, you know, I don't know.

And you're already doing Livewire at this point. Like this is not – oh, was it somewhat spawned by a project you were working on? I know that you were supposed to – like maybe for CBS you were going to mic yourself getting booed or bum or something, right?

I think it was actually a live – we were trying everything under the sun with Livewire. And I think one of them was like each week I would record some live top of the show from somewhere interesting. And I did some weird project. I forget what thing it was for. it certainly wasn't for cbs but where it was like i'm gonna just go on stage with no plan and just do five minutes of yeah of just like figuring it out and i think i maybe recorded myself before and after that experience or something yeah but anyway but that's what i'm

saying i do think that like you might say that but like if you suddenly didn't have these responsibilities or you had other responsibilities and again your guess is as good as mine as far as what you can do um you would not be you would not be my first hire as a password manager i'll tell

you that much right now andrew i'm telling you the a is the at symbol that's why they'll never

crack it see they're thinking okay password got it nope a symbol p a symbol swerd okay gotcha anyway um i think that you would find yourself uh you know what it might be andrew i might just

need a vacation that's what it comes down to and here we are on the last day of the summer my

vacation is over dude yeah no it's true your vacation's over yet in some ways it hasn't even yet begun. Monday, we're going to be

back, baby, with all kinds of updates on our lives. I'll have been working on The Old House with Walt. I'm sure I'll have lots of stories of nutty buddies and stolen BBC content. I'm not sure what you're getting up to, Andrew, but we're going to have a real humdinger of a show on Monday, so I do hope everybody tunes in for that. Yes. In the meantime, thank you for hanging out with us for these summer games. Thanks to everybody who submitted games. We really appreciate it.

Yeah, thank you very much, by the way.

That was a lot of work by a lot of folks. Thank you so much for that, for helping us have our little summer vacation. See you on Monday. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Take care of yourselves and please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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