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And we've become great friends. I mean, close. We'll just sit in the front room, and we'll sit there. And he'll walk, he'll go to the front door, kind of knock on the door, and then sit down, then I'll sit, then he stands, and he's out in the front. Then he'll come in, we just sit there. And he'll stand, and I'll sit, and then I stand, and you sit, and then we're both looking at each other, and we're just nodding. Like a couple of nodders, right? TBTL.

Okay. Ah. I've been waiting for this moment for months, and it's finally here. What's up, girl?

Let the fun begin.

It's a toy world. I'm, I'm, I have, I'm easily, um, I don't, hmm. How did, do you follow? How drunk are you?

A lot to vary. I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything. It's a career. i don't want to sell anything bought or processed or buy anything sold or processed or process anything sold bought or processed or repair anything sold bought or processed you know

as a career i don't want to do that what do you say we go out and get some carvel i got the time if you got the diapers well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live and i need all of you to stop what you're

doing and listen my name is luke burbank i am your host well well luke who's back

coming to you after a very glorious very relaxing tbtl summer games from what we are calling the Madrona Hill Studio, perched high above the mighty Columbia.

Is this real life?

That's right. We have a new name for the studio. This is the first ever broadcast from this particular location at my house where I had this drop all ready to go. I know you missed it. Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful. Well, I mean, it is a beautiful thing. I'm looking at this river, but the weather is actually kind of mid. But I'm nonetheless super excited to be here in this now functional, at least mostly functional, TBTL studio. I'll explain why we're not calling it the Riverhouse Studio anymore. Coming up in a moment. We have so much to talk about here on episode 4029 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Of course, we were on a little break for a couple of weeks, And so there were various things that we missed that we want to catch up on today.

Can you verify? Can you give me some 4-1-1?

And I mean, I think you really know the measure of a show by the topics or the events or the incidents even that your listeners send into you when they happen. And I don't know if there's a story that I can remember in recent memory that I've gotten, have had suggested to us more than this incident on a Delta Airlines flight where there was, they had to turn a plane around that was going to Spain because of a biohazard number two related situation on the airplane.

Not only does that sound kind of disgusting to me, it sounds unhealthy.

We will talk about it however briefly, just because we've got to give the people what they want. We've got to give the people what they need. Speaking of medical situations, I don't know if you've heard this. TBTL now, we're an independent business, which means I've been switching my health care stuff, and I got to have a slightly awkward conversation with my new health care provider the other day.

This is embarrassing!

Which I'll update everyone on. Oh, and I'll talk to this guy. The longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, their grace, their majesty, and all that intricate rigging. He is rested, he is refresheded, and he is just ready to get back at it.

I'm sorry, I'm tan. I like to be tan. It just feels good.

He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. It finally happened to me. i was recently the recipient of the dreaded one word text response followed by a period it seemed chilly to me and big reveal it came from you am i in trouble realized i was talking

to them am i in trouble with one luke burbank no i was driving and trying to uh stay on the road And I go back and forth. I don't know if you've noticed this, like during the break when you and I were, and I want to be careful with, even though we don't have bosses that are listening, we do have John Sklarovs that are listening.

Yeah, we have a lot of Sklarovs out there listening.

I say break. I mean, you were still working. You were still posting the shows. John was still doing what he was doing. I was probably the only one fully on break, but.

I don't know if you've noticed, but I've started to send you a lot of just kind of like random driving thoughts. And they'll just be these sprawling like multi-paragraph texts because I've started to use the speech to text function. But I which is so convenient. But I also then feel very concerned about how many typos are in there, whether or not it like makes any sense. Because the reason I use that function is because I'm driving usually, and I want to send you a message while it's fresh in my mind. But then I don't like the feeling of just sending something to you that I haven't, if I were to proofread it properly, I would also be endangering myself and others on the road. So in this case, I was just confirming something with you, and I did not want to send you a sprawling voice to text that was full of errors. So I just told it, okay.

And it gave a period that was okay, period. Like, the period is what put the chill in me, man. You understand, right? Like, there are times when somebody's like, hey, you know, you want to do this thing? And you're just like, hmm, fine, period. And it kind of had a little bit of that. I will say this, though.

That was all the AI. I was not trying to, you know, make you feel like you were in trouble or put a period after the word of game.

You know how I feel about being hollered at. No, if you want me to weigh in, though, on this texting, this stuff. How do you feel about that?

Does your blood run cold when you see one of these epic stream of consciousness messages? No, no.

Between us, I think it's really good. In fact, I like it because I like to do the same thing. You know me. I'm notoriously long-winded. And also, I do use that sort of text-to-speech a lot in text messages. And I'm like you in that I don't want to be sending things that have a million typos or the computer misunderstood me. But the thing is, I know that you're doing a lot of like texting from the road, like quite literally. And if you put at the top, hey, texting from the road, like now, like you do that usually anyway. I know, but I've been on both sides of this. I've been in the car with you when you're texting other people. And you usually say, hey, bunch of stuff here. Sorry, text to speech. And then you lay it out. And as long as you do that, like I think that's a great way to communicate and a safe way.

It's amazing that I have already forgotten that move because you're right. That solves the problem. What I keep thinking of is, you know how people can put certain auto signatures on things? I keep thinking, God, why can't I just have something that goes at the end of the message? It says, like, sent voice to text. And by the way, I'm sure there's a way to do that. But also, you're right. I can just say it. I don't need some weird auto kind of clarification. I can just start these types of messages by saying, hey, sorry, voice to text, so it might get a little weird. But here's what I'm thinking. You're right.

that that immunizes me actually but for me i don't even you know what i'm looking at these last few text messages you sent me and you didn't say that at the beginning i thought you did like with me it's implied now like don't worry about me because like i think that's a pretty good way

you are the number one most texted person in my phone so if we have an understanding that's that

gets me out of a couple of jams yeah no i'm looking back through our thing so yeah early on you said hey this is a random voice to text and you send a couple of those and then after that i just got long text messages from you but i i dug it you're driving you're thinking and again i it also just kind of gives me clearance to kind of do the same thing which i definitely like one thing can i just say one thing that is very related to this that has been bothering me lately as a frequent text to no i'm sorry as a frequent speech to texter like in the car or what have you and i'm talking about maybe sending quick messages to people who i don't know as well as you and i know each other um i've gotten pretty good at it not to brag but i will say something like this hey luke comma i'm running a little bit late period i should be there by 10 period need me to pick anything up question mark like let's say that's a text message also how giving and generous of me um but and consider it but the period always worked until about a month ago now it started to spell out the word period it understands exclamation point it understands question mark but when i go back and i look at the text message it just has the word period in there what you have to say

menses what what has changed i don't know but that's my concern around the punctuation as well i don't want to belabor this but like i have been because not just with you my dear friend and trusted colleague and co-business owner but like i have you know now that i've kind of gotten hip to this thing i'm using it fairly frequently but i i wonder if it understands the components of what traditionally is a question if that makes any sense like because we've talked about this a lot on the show i'm a big user of the question mark when emailing and texting people so as to indicate that I'm not saying this. I'm wondering about this. And I think that's a really big difference tonally.

Like a sentence, a declarative sentence, but you end it in a question mark as in, what do you think of that?

Hey, I'm kind of, is this something we should consider, question mark, as opposed to, this is what we're doing. I really, really don't want to put that energy out there. But I also don't always know if the program that's translating what I'm saying into text, if it really understands what constitutes. Because what it would really, unless I say question mark, which then I'm worried it's going to just like write the word question mark, it would have to be, I mean, I'm sure that with all the AI programs, they can figure this out. But I want them to write something where the computer is able to sort of intuit that this is meant as a question.

That is interesting to me. This is this is adding a lot of, well, maybe not clarity, but perspective, because when you're leaving one of these text messages, speech to text that we're discussing to me or one of your many other friends and colleagues, are you not inserting punctuation at all? So these periods are automatically inserted, like that one I was teasing you about earlier. So maybe that's why it is translating the word period into the word period for me now. Maybe we're past that. Maybe AI or whatever technology is now beyond me having to say period, and so it assumes if I'm saying it, it wants the word in there. I guess that's the assumption here. I need to play around.

Yeah. You need to just try a bunch of different punctuation words and see which ones it just takes it as a command and which one it just decides to write it in.

You're going to want to mute me today, by the way.

You don't want to use the punctuation booty call, the punctuation whet.

And then you used exclamation point or question mark.

I don't know. Andrew, this is a big, big day for me. I don't know if it really matters to the wider world or to the listeners of TBTL, but I am talking to you, finally, at long last, sir, from the TBTL studio that me and Walter B. have been building or remodeling or refurbishing or whatever it is for a long, long time. I'm here. I'm talking to this microphone. Presumably you're hearing me. This is the dawn of a new era for my part of the show in terms of where my stuff is originating from.

Now, I want you to answer this question very carefully, knowing what I want to hear. Is Walt T.B. on the ones and twos right now? He is. Your dad hired him.

John and I have been having a lot of long speech-to-text conversation. We've decided to hire Walt B. Love it. As a kind of a DJ Khaled-like figure. But the thing about my dad is he's very much a realist. So instead of yelling, we the best, he usually just says, this is going to take longer than you think it is what it is yeah exactly that's not up to code hey easy dj burbs no i'm here i mean you know it's still there's it's still unfinished in here in certain ways there's plenty of things that that that need to be added and bookshelves that need to be constructed and a whole kinds i mean honestly what i'm if i look straight forward i I look at the Columbia River, which I mean, the whole idea was I would like it if there was a way I could be talking to my friend Andrew, entertaining the tens of listeners and staring at something pretty that is currently happening. If I look to my left, there's a massive pile of garbage, just all manner of like weird debris from inside the house. It's getting dragged out piece by piece, you know, sheetrock and and the like. I mean, most of what I'm looking at is still an absolute disaster. But if I just stare straight ahead in the squint, it's kind of giving the vibes that I've been kind of fantasizing about for like now, I think, a couple of years. So that's that's pretty exciting for me here.

Congratulations. Do you have a comfortable chair?

I do, but I stand when I'm talking to you.

Oh, that I'm jealous of that.

So I'm standing, Andrew, and then I'm going to be recording Livewire later today. I've already lived a couple of lifetimes because, of course, because I'm good at planning the first week back from the summer games and my first big week of trying to do the show from this from this studio that I'm in. I'm also putting a full charm offensive on the local television airwaves of Portland. So this morning I was on AM Northwest. Tomorrow I will be on Hello, Rose City. And I think Wednesday I'm on like, get to it, Portland.

you got you got time to lean you got time to clean portland exactly yeah wow okay uh are you considering getting up today portland dude it's noon you've i've told you about that right this is not my idea but i had a couple of friends who came up with the idea of a like a morning tv show exactly like the kind you're talking about only for stoners i love it

at noon and it's called dude it's noon it's called you really should open a window in here portland but anyway oh good i'm sorry i just so i i of course this i'm not really a huge fan of the term like the sunday scaries i'm a fan of having the feeling i'm not a fan of of the alliterative way of describing it but when you i mean when you talk about going from just about as blissed out as i could be which was the last two weeks um i worked on the house with my dad i went to santa barbara with becca just had this like a really great restorative kind of just excellent two weeks but today really really kind of hit like a hammer it wasn't just like well we're getting back to doing normal tbtl or i'll throw some live wire in there it's like it's we have live wire this week at the alberta rose theater i'm driving to portland every morning to try to promote the show on local television. We're doing what we're doing. We've got some extra meetings that we should really be getting to. I really sort of like kicked about 35 cans down the road to exactly right today, Andrew. But it was a very great, nice little restful break. All of that is to say, I sit in the chair for some reason for Livewire, but I stand when I'm talking to you. And I kneel for the flag. so those are the basic those are my basic body positions throughout the day those are the three

positions i i don't think i want to get into this right now because i think we have too much other stuff to talk about um but you and i talked a little bit yesterday uh kind of was it mid mid morning or maybe early afternoon it was right before the seahawk game okay yes i know because

i had one eye on like hmm how close are we getting to kickoff oh that's interesting because that is

kind of related to what i wanted to not talk about which is um um i was feeling some sort of feelings yesterday too now part of them i think were what you described now i don't have the intense schedule that you have but i do have stuff to do um and so i was feeling a little bit of like you know back in the chair on monday uh meaning today and it was just like small things like i know we had a hundred voicemails like and at some point like i was gonna have to sit down and listen to a bunch of voicemails a task i enjoy doing but sort of like on sunday afternoon sort of realizing oh okay i need i need to do i need to sit down and do some stuff before uh we sit down to do the show on monday not a big deal not like when i've had jobs that are much harder than this the way those sundays will sometimes hit um anyway so i was just sort of i was a little bit in a mood just because of various things going on in my life but then also this is what i'm getting at here I found myself in a weird place regarding the football season because it was the first football Sunday in probably five years, seven years, eight years that it wasn't like, hey, let's settle in for the football game today or football games today. You know, and I did, you know, I watched some football yesterday. I watched some Sunday night football that was not as entertaining. I found a website, which I will not share publicly, by the way, because the one place I draw the line with bootlegging things is using this microphone to help other people bootleg things.

I think I get in some legal situations where we advocate for paying for content.

Right. But then when the microphone is content, when the microphone goes off, I go to a website that I found on the dark web that archives football games. so that like I don't have a I don't have cable I don't have a TiVo situation or time shifting so I can go back and watch football games now which is kind of fun so if the Seahawks had a good game I could come back after my volunteer responsibilities and watch it but you know there's something that there's something almost holiday-esque I guess we are talking about it there's something almost holiday-esque about the first football game of the season right It heralds in an era, it's about junk food, it's about Bloody Marys, whether you're watching it at home with a bunch of pizza rolls or out at the bar with a bunch of friends or whatever. And it was kind of the first time where I was like, well, I have responsibilities today. I'll sort of watch the first half while puttering around and then I'm going to miss the second half of the game, which also sounds like a blessing having read what happened yesterday.

A good week to lower your level of caring about Seattle football because it was a pretty brutal game for the Seahawks fans.

But it was a day where that thought kind of kept creeping in and just kind of like, this is your new reality, sort of. Yeah, I was wondering about you, by the way.

It was a little bit weird. I actually wanted to ask you about this, so I'm glad you brought it up because for all the things that you've just stated, like, it's a very social kind of part of people's lives. And I was having my own maybe slight version of weirdness around the Seahawk games because I live alone in a house 40 miles from anyone that I know.

count my neighbors brian and terry like you know what i mean like i thought right gail what's that we can't say that anymore her name is gail and that's right she doesn't go by gay anymore but gail has the strangest habit she spreads bird food in the middle of the road right around this bend so she hates birds i asked her about this there are like a thousand anytime i come down the hill to this house i come around a bend i go right in front of gail's house and there's like 30 like morning doves and other birds just sitting in the road and then i go very slow because i would i really would like to not hurt any of these birds yeah and uh and then so i asked her i go are you the one that puts the bird feed in the road she goes yeah it's the only safe place because there's so many feral cats around here that if i put bird feed anywhere else and then the birds are feeding on it the cats will get them so it turns out apparently the only safe place for the local bird population to eat is also maybe the most unsafe place for them to eat which is called literally the middle of the road coming off of effectively a blind turn that is interesting

although i guess birds move pretty quickly right you don't see not to get grizzly here but when you're talking to roadkill i don't think you're often seeing birds and if so i'll bet you they'd be more in flight i don't know like i don't think i've had a lot of stresses me out like i think

Yeah, I'm with you. I've never seen any evidence of a bird getting hit by a car, but I also go really slow, which isn't the worst thing anyway. You know, it's a kind of sort of semi-residential street getting down to where I'm at. So I don't, you know, I don't I don't mind it that much. By that point, I'm already like really close to being home on the subject of which. And I'm sorry, Andrew, I just when you and I don't talk like in daily life for like two weeks, I just have so much pent up.

No, yeah, good.

Uninteresting content that I want to unload on you, but I was thinking about this this morning because I was getting all ready to go down to Portland to do this little TV appearance. And I wasn't sure. Oh, so the thing about the Seahawks was just, I watched the game here by myself, but just hanging out in this kind of construction zone house sort of by myself. Becca was down in Salem visiting with her family. i don't really although my neighbors do not not brian and terry but my other neighbors uh they do fly a 12 flag every time there's a seahawk game which i love because in the preseason there was a couple times i didn't even know we had a game and then i looked outside and i saw the 12 flag i was like okay red skies at night seahawks delight like literally how i was finding out there was a game that won't happen during the regular season but how i was finding out there was the game was the folks behind me had a big 12 flag going which they didn't they put it up in the morning of the game and they take it down like it's very solemn it's like it doesn't just fly seven days a week this is for special days when the seahawks are playing but get via bugle yes right um by the way their last name is rambo which is a pretty solid last name yeah but also though a lot to live up to uh yeah well i mean start with putting the 12 flag out yeah and um that's a pretty good start. But anyway, I, it was a, it was a, I mean, I'm sure it was also colored by the fact that the Seahawks played really badly yesterday. It was colored by the fact that I knew I had a really busy day today. So I didn't imbibe any alcohol. I was just, I had a weirdly detached experience around the game, which was sitting here by myself watching it. And, and, you know, it just wasn't an exciting enough game that there was a ton of text chatter. I can't bet on games up here in Washington on my phone. like because it's not legal in the state of Washington so it's just kind of like I don't know I just thought is this how I'm going to be watching all of the and it's not the same as what you're doing which is you're just de-emphasizing it in your life a little bit you're not going to schedule your whole life around these Seahawk games so you were kind of missing out on all that all that kind of fun and it's the first big day of football and we're like you said we're getting all of the special snacks together and the Bloody Marys and all that and I was also missing it on that mostly probably just for this week but in a way that was kind of a little melancholy and the thing i was but but so in encounter a sort of uh pose to that what i also realized this morning as i was getting ready to go down to portland was i kind of don't want to leave this house most of the time like i'm getting very very strong andy times vibes up here like i i was like what i mean i've been up here for all of like a month and a half or something but i was like what is it going to be like to be and i'm getting bubbles later this week bubbles has been staying with my sainted sainted i don't know if you'd call them in-laws but they're becca's brother

and his wife jeff and darcy um and and now becca like bubbles has been you know mia from this place since i've been here as i've been getting it a little more cat safe but anyway so it's i was like what is it going to be like for me just to be kind of in this house You

house it's kind of a construction I mean it's more than kind of a construction zone uh am I going to be just like crawling out of my skin and the opposite feels like it's happening which is this morning my chance to go down to the big city and see people and all this I was like god I wish I could just stay here and have a cup of coffee and stare at the boats going down the river like at least early on in the process I am finding it to be a very very kind of like um relaxing place that i really like being um and i didn't expect to have that feel i didn't know if that was going to be what my reaction was going to be this particular living situation because this is

unlike anything that i've really actually tried before and it got me like from my perspective on kind of yesterday it got me thinking i was actually thinking about your experience watching football throughout the season and there are times where you watch it on a plane or you try to follow it you follow the score or the plays on a plane because doesn't um the nfl have some sort of equivalent to what the major league baseball app has which is like you can sort of watch like where

the ball is yeah it's basically like a graphic it's a graphic of the football field and then the passes are like the ball does like a big upside down you so it goes like up off of this flat one-dimensional plane but if it's runned if it's if somebody runs it it just is like a straight arrow they've tried to come up with this visual representation of if it was a pass or a run and what happened but um it's it's it's very much the court of last resort for me which is i'm flying somewhere probably for cbs and it's inconvenient with the seahawks and it's like the plane is about to take off and it's the fourth quarter with two minutes left and i'm like

oh it got me thinking about whether or not i'm actually a football fan i that's not true i i have definitely enjoyed football but here are i'm gonna throw at you a bunch of observations from yesterday it's andrew's observed andrew's weekend observations first of all i noticed that the browns defeated the cincinnati bangles quite handily that really bummed me out that happened i believe it outcome yes i that that result came i believe before the seahawks even began for people who don't know I was a huge fan of of the Cleveland Browns and also even though I started watching Seahawks games which got me into football I think that my passion quickly began to lie with the Cleveland Browns of my youth and I watched them through some really terrible seasons and then they signed a quarterback who's a really awful human being so I sort of what's the word not banned I guess I banned them from my life I'm boycotting the Browns disavowed I've disavowed the Browns it makes me sick what they did to win but I also did so with this bad feeling of while I watched the Browns through some of their worst seasons and that's really saying something they've hired a they've hired they've signed a really good quarterback who's an awful human being and now there's going to be celebrations in Brownstown and I will not be a part of that

and it's really you waited tables to get the Browns through medical school and now they have now they've picked up some new trophy partner and they're just living in like in this palatial spread on a lake with two jet skis and you're just like really i was like i i put you through i i helped you get to the point where you could enjoy this lifestyle and now you've done something

that makes it untenable i hate i sort of hate myself for feeling this way but like i saw a photo from a friend of mine from college who is a dear sweet guy in fact it's so funny that he and i would both end up becoming adults who care about the browns because he was a huge goth in college and i certainly didn't care about sports at all i don't think we ever watched any sports together the arc of history is long but it bends towards cleveland browns and he was uh you know uh posting some photos uh on instagram saying hey the browns won and they were like he must have some sort of cool setup in his garage it's kind of an unfinished garage with all kinds of brown stuff some historic brown stuff and a little flat screen tv and it just looked like mark had the best browns sunday you know what and it really felt like i was on the other side of the glass looking in and the thing is like part of me wants all browns fans with a moral compass and mark does have a good moral compass by the way but i also understand that like a lifetime of browns fandom or whatever he has is a hard thing to overcome i made my decision i'm living with it whatever i'm really not trying to judge my friends who are still into the Browns but it was a kind of it was like oh god like if only I could just turn off that part of my brain that cares about the way Deshaun Watson treated 24 women then I could have just had a day you know but I can't turn that off and so there's an amount of jealousy there but here's what I'm really getting at and I'm sorry I really didn't mean to dig into this so much but then I started to realize that I cared more I was more bummed about the Browns winning than the Seahawks losing?

And that's a shitty thing to admit, especially to my Seahawks loving friend Luke and anybody else who's out there, because I consider myself a Seahawks fan. Then I started saying, am I a Seahawks fan? Am I a Seahawks fan if I'm more mad about the Browns winning than the Seahawks losing? And I'm more upset about the appetizers that I didn't get to have. Yes, sure.

The whole kind of like all the social, all the fun, excitement, social aspect. You know who you really need to apologize to, Andrew, is my mother, Susie B. I'll say, what's up, dog? This was the actual text that she sent late last night. Like an hour of the night that made me concerned that she's been ruminating. Uh-huh. It was like, let me see if I could actually get to it. Oh, you know what? She only sent it to a select few. She did not send it, I think, to the entire Hawk Squad.

Oh, that's interesting.

She's breaking out. My mom is breaking down the Hawk Squad to the people she thinks are the most interested in the Seahawks. and or most likely to respond to her. So she has a side list that's me and my brother Sammy and my sister Hannah. And she says, evening, guys. I'm feeling pretty pessimistic about the Seahawks this season because we had such a pitiful second half. If that's any indication, then we seem screwed. If we lose to the Lions and then the Panthers, then game over. I'm a bit nervous. It's like easy der's. But I said, the text thing is fascinating.

because it's called Hawks Squad. I know, right? It started as a sports text chain. It was, yes, exactly. But then it got so big, it just became a family chain, but it's still called Hawks Squad. But now, do you remember there was a cartoon called The Ghostbusters that was not based on the movie, and then they came out with the real Ghostbusters cartoon that was based on the movie? I feel like you're now in the real Hawks Squad.

I think my mom, because she craves communication with her children, has figured out that Because Hawkswad has so many people on it, it's sometimes kind of like, you know, yelling into the void. So she's created this, like, smaller group with my brother and my sister and I where she's more likely to get a response. And so I said, it's a long season, Ma, and Pete Carroll has a way of turning things around. I wouldn't lose hope just yet. And then my mom's response is, not a Pete Carroll fan. Oh. I was like, wow, terse. Period.

period period now I will refrain from commenting on that because I really don't my hesitation was I didn't want to come back from the break and start getting into the x's and o's of actual sports talk I thought me talking about conversation about sports exactly it was about my Sunday and about that stuff so I won't get into that but I do think if we can stick with the more not superficial but the more like kind of familial aspect of this you say that your mom sends that because she you know she might have a better chance of getting a response but it's also kind of cool it's like your mom really is a seahawks fan like i don't know how i don't want to say anything insulting on the show i was telling genevieve um over the weekend i was actually dissecting a commercial that you might have seen for this uh washington lotto seahawks flashback oh god those are terrible because it doesn't make any sense right they don't have players from the

90s it's weird no and it's like a just an it's just a litany of attempts at making a reference to the fact that it was the 90s that's like maybe they're trying to make a meta joke it's these two guys are rollerblading and they're just like everything's i gotta get to my y2k bunker and

it's just like oh this is just putrid and the one it's funny how views and i kind of came around in this one commercial there's one where a guy comes out of his y2k bunker and then wants to know if the Washington lotto finally came out with their throwback Seahawks lotto tickets and his neighbor doesn't sound confusing right exactly and then his neighbor who's grilling is like yeah they did and he's like great I'm going back in my bunker now and he's like but hey it's me Michael Bennett I think it's Michael Bennett right is that Michael Bennett I don't know I haven't seen that okay well that one the funny thing is is the first time I saw it it made me laugh Genevieve brought it up because it made me laugh but then the more we talked about it we're like what a mess I mean And first of all, just the ticket itself is Seahawks, but it's Seahawks throwback because they're introducing throwback jerseys. Like, what even are you selling, Washington Lotto?

And then secondly, and here's where I'm financial riches, Andrew, and supporting the school.

Here's where I'm actually going to try to make a point and tie this back to what we're talking about with your mom weighing in is I said, you know, that made me laugh the first time. The more I think about it, it's like, why is it Michael Bennett? The reason it's Michael Bennett is because so many Seahawks fans, and by the way, myself included, I think I joined on the Tavares. What was Tavares' last name? Oh, Jackson. Yeah, Tavares Jackson bandwagon, or right before that is when I started watching the Seahawks. You're a T-Jack guy. But anyway, so many Seahawks fans, even the people who grew up around here, I think it galls you. little bit are a little bit fair weather or at least Johnny Johnny come lately is when the team was good because you would tell me stories and I tried to translate this the best I could to Genevieve I feel like you would tell me stories about like being a kid and feeling like the only kid on the block or the neighborhood or even the only person in the neighborhood who was actually gutting it out for the Seahawks I remember you saying you would go outside and just look around to talk to somebody about the game.

Well, that was after they, and I think it was 1984, they won a playoff game against the Miami Dolphins. And I was so lit over this event, but I had no one to talk to in my house because no one was watching it. And I just went out and walked up and down my street in a Seahawks jacket, hoping somebody would like, I'm seven, by the way, or like I'm eight in this story. And I just needed, there was no sports radio to speak of. I was like, I just needed to connect with someone over this, which tells you where my family was at in the 80s regarding this football and probably where Seattle was.

And so I was sort of like offended by this commercial with Michael Bennett on your behalf, because I'm like, if you're going to do this whole flashback to the 90s or I think it's the 90s, these tickets, maybe it's the 80s, whatever it is, find somebody from the team from that era. But the reason they didn't do that was because they know that their current fans don't know that era, except for one, Luke Burbank and Jim Zorn. Yes, I was trying to think. Yeah. Wasn't the boss a seahawk for one year?

I mean, that would be a bold move if they got the boss to do it.

Well, he was controversial, right? Because he left after one year or something?

Well, no, he just was really hyped, and then he got injured, and he was never that productive. In fact, the joke I remember as a kid was because he had a big shoulder injury that kind of knocked him out. And they said, why'd they name a slot machine in Las Vegas after Bosworth? And it's because they both have one arm. You put a lot of money into them. You don't get anything out of them.

Where's the bell?

I will just quickly because we're on the subject of television commercials that I think is so genius. And I really hope that you and Veeves talk about it on After These Messages. um the you can't script this commercials no did you see any of these familiar nope it's okay and i i you know i just want to say to everyone um you know who here's the thing i hear from a lot of people even people in my own family that said i love the show sometimes when you do the summer games i tend to maybe check out a little bit what i'm doing here is making you very appreciative of the summer because at least we stayed on topic and we didn't just talk about sports stuff but one of the knocks on the nfl i mean it's a completely insane thing but there was a thing going around the internet a couple years ago that was talking about something called the script and the idea was that everything that happens in the nfl is scripted in terms of the outcomes of

the game oh yes i'm sorry yes absolutely with keegan michael key yes yes amazing commercial

yeah amazing the premise is that there is in fact a meeting before the season where everybody in the nfl and this is all like run by keegan michael key from key and peel and a million other things that he's kind of like the director of this thing and everyone there and it's got like seahawk player dk metcalf has got all these great all these notable people and they're basically running through the plan for there it's like a table read of a sitcom or a movie but for the nfl and it is so genius in its conception and its execution i just think it's like one of the best things i've seen on tv in a long time but they're just commercials i've only seen one but it was

like a long one it was like 90 seconds so i don't know we talked about this actually on one of the more recent after these messages i just for some reason when you mentioned it i it didn't spring to mind immediately i think a listener sent this in um and so that's why i was exposed to it i'm wondering if they took the long version i saw and chopped it up into shorter ones that maybe you saw

throughout the game is the one that you that you talked about that does involve the travis and jason kelsey's mother wanting to write in a plot where she and jimmy garoppolo hook up oh absolutely

not no the one i saw it so no they've made a whole bunch or they've made several based on

this premise no that's great there's like a there's everyone is gathered in this room with their scripts and then on zoom is like the kelsey brothers and then their mom their real mom and she's pitching like an idea of where she has a romance with jimmy garoppolo and then like dk Metcalf's like I like it I like it it's like so good it's like really really quality comedy writing in my opinion just happens to be uh you know part of some a campaign for a thing that

that that basically destroys human body let me ask you this do you I think Genevieve might have brought this up do you think that they had this campaign already well into the planning if not the production phase before the writers strike that's the only thing that seems sort of weird timing wise about it is like there's a writer's strike going on and we're getting commercials based on

table reads where we see all these like writers i'm sure that that that they had this in the works before that and i'm sure that they've also accurately assessed that the venn diagram overlap of nfl fans yeah of people who know who jason kelsey is and people who care about fair labor practices related to hollywood screenwriters it doesn't matter is in fact it's not even me right now andrew and i feel bad about this that didn't even go through my mind and i do by the by the way, believe that the writers and folks in SAG-AFTRA should be paid fair wages for their work and their images. So I very much support those strikes. But this tells you how checked out I am up here in Kalama. I was just kind of like, oh, this is funny. The writer's room aspect

didn't even occur to me. And for the record, I'm not positing that it's in any way inappropriate or bad. I mean, it just sort of seemed like, oh, that's so odd to have a commercial. in a world where optics are such a big deal yeah i don't think that i don't think that it's like oh it's distracting or anything or that most people should think of it it is just sort of like well i think again the genevieve might have brought it up it's kind of like oh yeah that is interesting that the the main thing we hear about writers now for the past three or four months is this this ongoing uh strike and so anyway it's like oh yeah that is kind of interesting but i'm sure that this was just like i mean they have so much star power in these commercials and the writing like you say

really is good and i mean ironically it was probably written by people who are in sag after no it's written by ai um one last quick thing here about the my new digs and i don't know how much people track these kind of things but uh i am calling this this studio i'm in something different i'm calling it madrona hill studio not to be confused with jonah hill studio just want to get out in front of that it's because i was you know when i'm i wherever i've been in my whole time of doing tbtl from home or from yeah from home basically there's always been a name to where i'm coming from and that's just like because i love old-timey radio and i love you know from the rainbow room atop the you know nbc building like i just like a sense of place um when i'm listening to radio shows and And so I have always named, you know, TBTL Studios DeBajo when I was in the basement or, you know, whatever, Hollywood Broadcast District. I forget. There's been so many of them now. I forget what they all were. But I was calling this River House Studio. And then I realized people, when I bump into them or people who were listeners or whatever, be like, oh, yeah, so you're kind of trying to fix this house up. And like, oh, it must be right on the river. And it's really not. Like, I don't think I could even get physically to the river. I'd have to cross Interstate 5. I'm looking at a river, but I felt like the name Riverhouse Studio was a little misleading in terms of the conception of where I'm at. I'm not sitting on stilts in a river delta somewhere. More what's accurate is I'm on top of a hill that has a lot of Madrona trees on it. Madrona trees have always been one of my favorite trees. I just think that they're so beautiful and they're interesting, the kind of topography that they grow in. they can grow in a lot of places that there isn't a ton of soil. It just has to do with, I guess, their root system and stuff. And I remember like always kind of, even years ago, driving around like Oak Harbor and Whidbey Island in places like that, seeing Madrona trees and thinking, man, it would be so cool to either plant a Madrona tree or have a Madrona tree in my yard. And I just realized, I don't know, a few weeks ago, there's a bunch of Madrona trees growing on this property. And I was like, I've always loved that. And I think it's a little bit more accurate to where i am in space which is i'm which oh by the way that's a whole thing i gotta i gotta really figure out my jogging situation because i am like on top of the hill so my only option is to is to just like run 500 feet down a hill which means i have to run 500 feet back up a hill that's not working for me so i just i i'm just mentioning that that's what i'm going with madrona hill studio up here perched high above the mighty columbia and it's because jonah hill walk walk

through their ones, what's that?

It is, it's the Majona Hill. How long before that becomes the real name of the studio?

Majona Hill.

How long before that becomes the name of today's show? Ah, I like that.

Thank you, baby.

Oh yes, oh yes, we need to thank some daily donors. Now I have to ask you a question, Andrew, because this is the, we call it a shakedown cruise in sailing. You know, you get the boat out on the water to see how it performs the first time.

I did not know. I honestly thought that that was about shaking people down. You get them out in the water and you say, you want to get back to shore? Yeah. What's in the pockets?

We call it the Gregory Abbott cruise. The man behind the song, Shake You Down. No, this is a shakedown cruise for the Madrona Hill Studio. Sorry, for the Seth Rogen studio.

And so what I've done, because there is no HVAC in this converted garage I'm in, so it's going to be interesting. I mean, eventually the idea is to have some kind of maybe a mini split in here, which is one of those things that's like, you know, it's kind of mounted in the wall and you have a remote control and it, you know, controls the temperature. I don't have that in here yet. And so I just had to open this sliding glass door because it was getting quite toasty. So can you hear that in the background?

No. I mean, there's also music playing, so it's not the best test, but I'm sure it's fine.

Okay. It's also, I have to say, not that I was overly self-conscious in my apartment doing the show, but I mean, I'm really like, I could really do whatever I want out here. Okay, let's keep it within reason, shall we? I just mean from a volume standpoint, Andrew. Okay, good. I can thank Tiffany Davis as loudly as I want, Andrew. Nice. Shout it from the rafters. Shout it from the top of Majona Hill. Tiffany Davis is in Seattle, Washington. By the way, we're thanking some of the generous, supportive people who are helping pay for this content with their donations. Folks like Jamie Carpenter of Murphysboro, Tennessee. Man, I watched a documentary last night that I don't even know if I can recommend it. because energetically, like, I didn't really like the protagonist of the documentary. You kind of rubbed me the wrong way. But it's called One More Mile, and I believe it's set in Tennessee. That's why I thought of this from the Murfreesboro reference. And this is basically how this, it's called the Mid-State Mile or the Middle State Mile. And the way it works is there's about a one-mile loop on this property that these people own, this husband and wife. and people come out to compete in this mid-state mile and you run like i think it's you the elevation is about 300 feet so you go up you know and this loop is very is very mountainous is the point and the way that the race works is you run it one mile at a time you have 20 minutes to do your mile and if you don't make it in 20 minutes you're eliminated and you just go until somebody collapses and there's only one person left and the like the the guy who won it did 117 miles like in 30 hours of just of and if you need to go to the bathroom or eat something you just have to try to run your mile faster so you have more time so let's say you can do it in 10 minutes which would be really fast because of how steep it is if you're able to do your loop in 10 minutes that buys you 10 minutes of hanging out oh interesting at the finish line you know or whatever you want to call the corral i think they call it so it's a very interesting design for one of these sort of races like there's no there's no end to it it's however long people can keep going and it just looks punishing but i find those kinds of documentaries kind of kind of interesting anyway so anyway um thanks jamie out there in murfreesboro thanks also to paul fowler who's in Bury in Washington. Nice. Then we've got Beth Middlehoven checking in from Renton. Hey, Beth, if you could pop over to the VMAC and set those folks straight. Actually, don't mention to Pete Carroll that my mom is not a Pete Carroll fan.

Yeah, that is interesting. I actually would like to know, I'd like her thoughts. I'd like all her thoughts on Pete.

I have a theory and we can get to the bottom of this at some point with her. My theory is that she does not like his effusive nature at times when things are going badly for the team which is by the way kind of how I feel sometimes like I think she looks over at him just clapping on the sideline and chomping on his gum right after a very very bad thing for the Seahawks and feels like it's somehow not you know the way he should be now I don't like it either but I can't argue with the guy's results generally but we will find out someday why my mom does not like hot Jay Leno as I like to call him yeah we gotta get her on the horn Don Bly is in seattle washington thank you don and then rock chalk che hawk checking in from lawrence kansas it's tyler setter thank you tyler for the support thanks to uh all of our daily donors we would not be here doing this show without you

hello and welcome to top story um this isn't the top story of the world but i just wanted

to relay a conversation I had to have with Kaiser Permanente on for like Friday or something. So because we don't have health insurance from American public media anymore, because we are an independent business, I know we all, you, me, and John, presumably i hope anyway are setting up other health care options and uh so i've been in the process of doing that with kaiser permanente which i think somebody i've made a version of this joke before but somebody said that's a bold name for your health care company permanente yeah sure right yeah um unless that was someone's last name do you think there was someone whose last

name was permanent and espanol i'm not sure all i know is at the end they break a mug and kaiser gets up to walk away but slowly the limp gets better and better and then he's fine terrible

terrible go on Luke with your story uh well this is luckily this is short a short and a sweet but I just thought it was kind of funny so I start getting so I have like gone to the portal the web portal for Kaiser not to be confused with the Blake Bortle um which is what we were using for APM, which is why some of the health care was really subpar. We were using the Blake Bortles to try to check in for our coverage.

We really were using the Blake Bortles of health care.

So we like, I mean, the thing I actually really so far, I haven't been to a doctor or dentist, but so far in the process, I really like Kaiser. They have, the website seems pretty easily navigated. I've, you know, when you have to call for help, like somebody answers the phone like kind of right away and they seem to really know what they're talking about they're really friendly like it feels like one of those things where the people that are doing the phone um just kind of walking people through stuff and helping get coverage established and all that kind of stuff have been really well trained like they just seem friendly and knowledgeable and and like it feels and i've probably talked to five people at various points and it feels like this isn't just i'm getting lucky and i got the five good people that answer the phone for kaiser it's like no this is something that i think they probably prioritize now listen if you've had a bad experience with them I apologize and do not take this as some kind of ringing endorsement I haven't even been to the doctor yet but I found it to be kind of not super soul-crushing so far except for this one small thing which was I start getting these 1-800 calls from Kaiser and I'm like and they're like we have an important it's like a robo message we have an important message from and then they say the name of this doctor that i'm like gonna go see in like three weeks just to like get a physical and establish care and they're like we have an important message from dr so-and-so you got a call back and i was like i am so relieved i haven't seen this doctor yet because if i had seen this doctor these messages would be freaking me out you know what i mean like the only reason i wasn't super freaked was because i haven't even seen the guy right right it can't be bad results my shit is you know what i mean which is weirdly a relief you know what i mean like if i had seen this guy two weeks ago and then they're calling me this i'm like well i've got i've got i've got months to live but i was like it can't be that because he hasn't seen me naked yet so so i'm like um i know that it's just got to be some sort of paperwork thing but the problem is the automated system does not know if this is like we found something concerning or you haven't like checked agree to some box about updating our terms of service it's like all at the same level of seriousness from the from the like robocall and i and again you know me i'm like i know this is nothing but i'm on like a three robocall a day schedule like this thing is just absolutely war dialing me and it's always when i'm like on the phone with someone else or i'm trying to do something and it's just like coming through but instead of just answering it and getting it over with i'm just like calm down kaiser so finally i'm in the car and I'm like I got to get this done with because this thing keeps calling me and I call and I get like a person at the like Kaiser you know I don't know where these folks are somewhere at the like phone center and again very nice very professional and I say I'm getting these calls from this doctor but I haven't seen the doctor yet I'm assuming it's a paperwork thing

and then the person says well let me get you to that doctor's office so then they connect me to the actual physical place here in Southern Washington where I'm going to let go, I get a very nice person there. I assume maybe one of the front desk people. I don't know, but her name was Lori. So shout out. Lori was, Lori was very nice. I would like to say very professional, but this is what happened, Andrew. She goes, Oh, I just have this note from the doctor. He's wondering what this finasteride is because they're migrating my prescription over, which is the only prescription i have which is my baldness pills this these are finasteride is i think a drug that was originally meant to shrink your prostate and they were giving it to people i think particularly men wait do women have prostates do people who are born biologically female at birth is that do we

all have prostates this is a real question you know i wish you hadn't asked me that i thought so um but i know that prostate cancer is something that predominantly affects men but i I am very embarrassed. Thank you. Well, I'm the one asking. Yeah, female prostate cancer. Is it possible? No, the prostate is not part of the female anatomy.

Okay, there we go. Dr. Burbank checking in. But anyway, so they invented this drug or they were marketing this drug or using this drug to try to shrink people's prostates. And what they noticed was they were growing more hair on their head. And so at some point years ago when I was having one of my many freak outs about hair loss, I started going on this. And the thing that the doctor at the time told me was, it was like, okay, this is great. It will kind of usually stabilize hair loss, particularly at the crown of your head, so like the back of your head. But he said, if you ever stop taking it, it all just like falls out. Which is, I have this image of the pills just like holding, like Hodor, just holding the door of my hair. And if I like go off of this stuff, that just all the hair just spontaneously just springs out of my scalp. So I'm trying to not go off of it. But anyway, it had been migrated from my previous doctor to this new doctor who I haven't even seen yet. I had a couple of thoughts. One, I was like, you should probably know what finasteride is. It's not an obscure drug at this point.

I thought the question was just like, why are you being prescribed this? Well, that's what came next, Andrew.

Because then I said, it's an anti-baldness drug. I wasn't exactly sure why I had to talk to the front desk person about this, but okay. And then she just goes, oh, do you have alopecia? long pause and I go no just vanity like I had to I felt like I had to justify why and it's not a good reason I'm not dealing with anything medical with this I'm not dealing with anything that would be extreme to a degree that it might be worth trying to remedy with a per with an elective prescription drug other than I'm just an insecure mess and I felt like I had to I didn't really get real with lori first i had to explain to her that finasteride was a anti-baldness drug and then i had to explain to her that no this is not this is not anything more than just my own deep vacuous unfillable insecurity about having less hair on the crown of my head that's why i'm doing it and can i please have some more because i'm really worried about all the hair shooting out of my

Well, listen, I know that traditionally speaking, and I feel this deeply, that women are really up against it when it comes to beauty standards set by society, often set by men, and just have been being fed a constant media diet going back to the earliest days of how much you should weigh and what you should look like and how you should be prepared to meet your man at the end of the day and all of these things. But specifically when it comes to beauty standards, it's ridiculous, it's sickening, and it's really had a bad impact on a lot of people's lives. Having said that, and I know that men are much less subjected to that, I do get very irritated by the constant barrage of commercials I hear on AM sports radio that start with men. Are you embarrassed about losing your hair? And I often will shout no. It's not because I have a full head of hair. As anybody who's seen me knows, it's not. because i'm balding make george costanza look like a like a fabio but it is driven into us constantly that if you are losing your hair you are less than a man and like i i i re i totally resent that and like i i know maybe maybe i had the advantage of of growing up unattractive and so therefore the losing of the hair you stop it i recently saw a picture of you from like middle

school on instagram yeah right i thought you were very nice looking young man well i definitely had

a lot more hair than that's for damn sure but anyway i do get a little irritated by um this kind of constant drumbeat of like men and what's it and you know and it's always either it's the same commercial or sandwiched between boner pill commercials or whatever there's like this whole thing on am sports radio that is all just like it is constantly hammering in two men that you're not manly enough for various reasons that are natural parts of aging totally i will say this

i think i am slightly more okay with what is generally happening to my body here at 47 good news people that were um really bored with the football chat now we're shifting into our other main topic male aging like i i think that how do i put this i i even though i'm still taking finasteride and putting hair powder on my bald spot if i have to go be on tv or something even though all that is still the case. Weirdly, something subtly has shifted inside me, Andrew, where I'm not quite as, like, and this is such a small thing, but, like, I used to, it would be very unlikely that I would be go out in public without wearing a ball cap or having my hair all done up in its situation. Certainly not probably exercising, where I'll

be really sweaty and look like a wet rag and it would just be like there was a period of probably 10 years where I had really almost like a person who you know just won't leave the house unless they're quote-unquote put together in a certain way I have weirdly just stopped caring about that maybe it's because I'm mostly hanging out at the Home Depot in Longview Washington we're just I mean the fact that I'm not carrying a gun and wearing wearing some tea the love that conservatives have for some sort of weird punisher version of the American flag it just knows no bounds so the bar's pretty low there in terms of the fashion or the whatever but I do feel something subtly shifting inside me where I am a little bit less like there was a time and I'm not proud of this but there was definitely a time when I was probably 35 where I thought if I were to lose all the hair on top of my head I would cease to be in any way attractive to the opposite sex I will like it was it loomed as I've talked about, you know, the many lengths I've gone to to try to forestall that. It was really like it really freaked me out to a degree that's like unhealthy and not related to the real life of someone who doesn't have hair on top of their head. But that's what it felt like to me. I don't feel that way now at 47, maybe because I'm like, yeah, I'm about I'm about to be 50. Becca gets really mad when I say that, by the way, because you're skipping a few years. yeah as a person who is younger than me and uh for whatever crazy reason likes me and would like the relationship to not be like like we're making end of life choices for luke she's always like you're not 50 stop saying you're 50 i'm like yeah but in three years i was just talking to somebody about that right i feel like i'm but i will tell you what's liberating about being 50 in three years is there are these i can feel some of these small sort of subtle changes in me that i'm like I'll see myself in the mirror and I'll think, yeah, that's what you look like because you're almost 50. And that's like, I'm kind of glad that that's what my brain is doing. Like, I think you have a more extreme, a much more extreme acceptance of just like, Hey, we're humans. We're aging on this planet. Let's, you know, let's kind of like take care of ourselves. Let's get a haircut. Let's get a beard trim, whatever. But also it's like, I don't get the sense that at the core of your sense of yourself is does anyone want to f me right now like i just don't think that's how you go through the world and that is how i go through the world obviously no like i wish the answer sadly is steamed hands um does anybody want these steamed hams andrew no but i i i guess i'm kind of like i'm i'm mildly i'm i'm i'm slightly relieved that what i feel like my brain and emotions are doing is is not not as quickly as i would like to but to some degree embracing like for instance i have no interest or desire in doing any of that like testosterone replacement

stuff which i swear to god dude 10 years ago i've been like yeah i'll probably do that at some point like my body does not respond to exercise or food the way that it once does this is part of the aging this is part of probably like having much less testosterone than i used to have i have all of the things that dr erikaki is saying he can fix and i don't want him to because this is just like my i'm getting older and i'm i wouldn't say i'm okay with it but i'm not i'm not so upset by it that i'm like pump me full of testosterone and i'm gonna fly to turkey and have like my a a jaw implanted and a full hair transplant. And I'm one of those people flying back on the plane. There are these flights from Turkey that I've seen photos of where like 70 to 80% of the people have had like a pretty aggressive like hair transplant. And while you're there, they'll like put veneers on your teeth. It's like one-stop shopping. Like you really return as a very, very different person. I don't know if what Erdogan's policy on this is, if he's the person behind it or not. He seems like a pretty bad dude. but all I'm trying to say is I'm mildly relieved that even though I am still doing many things to try to like I don't know cling to the side of this hill of somewhat youthfulness when I realize that it's just not happening anymore in certain ways I just kind of I'm like yeah I think that's what happens that's part of I'm not trying to be Rob Lowe I'm not trying to have flawless pure 25 year old skin in a hat that says NFL I'm not trying to do that

I can get you one of those things for me it is the sort of like um specifically it is the kind of false ways of clinging to youth that i'm talking about the stuff that i hear in these commercials or what you're describing like going to have certain surgeries done to present in a certain way like but i i mean i i'm still a human being i mean i still i mean there are there are 50 60 70 year old men who are like very attractive you know know what I mean? Who are very, who are very, fit and off and you know i'm not gonna lie when i look at like your friend win rosenfeld's hair by the way not not 50 60 or 70 i think he's like our age right probably mid 40s and he's got an amazing head of hair like i'm not gonna tell you that i'm like i don't know faustian bargain he

did for that but it can't be good i'll tell you what when rumpled stilt skin shows up for his soul for that hair then we're gonna find out i don't think it was worth it when they find the painting

in the attic but um i uh but anyway yeah so i'm not saying that like i'm not human in that way i'm like oh man that would be great to have a head of hair like that or that i was you know do i wish i was the type of person who was more attracted to a lifestyle where like eating right and going on jogs regularly were something that comes naturally to me which is why i you know do look the way i look or you know even take the time to pick out some new shirts every now and then i look in my closet I'm like Jesus Christ I'm still like in kind of pandemic clothing situation here I need to start so anyway I'm not saying that like people should take a page from my book and just accept the fact that they're just gonna be ugly and frumpy or whatever that's that's not what that's not how I look at my life and I I just mean I do across the board I think I'm very turned off by any kind of like procedure or sort of like i say unnatural way of clinging to this stuff and i'm and i'm certainly against the kind of constant drumbeat for for women and to a lesser extent men of just like if you don't look this way then you are not as acceptable as as these other people

with veneers and all this other stuff absolutely and i will say this too andrew and this is i'm telling you something very real from my life i have heard from i would say at least five people at different points. Boy, Andrew's a nice-looking guy. What is he always talking about on the show? This is a real thing that people I've dated have said about you, people I've just met who listen to the show. Hawk Squad?

Not yet, but on the breakout tape.

But my mom says it to me and Hannah and Sammy for some reason. The real Hawk Squad. But you've really, and you're going to say some kind of silly response to this, but talk about, I mean, I think you have staked out a really really savvy position on this yeah which is lowering the bar every time someone meets you they are so pleasantly surprised because to hear you describe yourself on this show you would think that maybe it was you were a real unfortunate case but you're really not you are a perfectly nice looking human being who's who's perfectly pleasant to be around all the things you describe you're like i'm an ogre who can't talk to people people meet you they're like what is this guy

talking about so it's called working the refs man look into it it's working my friend now i'm gonna

i don't know if i'd use the term if i would use the term working the refs on this but i will say i don't think this is a story that you were like i sure hope we talk about it but i do feel like we need to give it three minutes only because so many people emailed it to me and maybe more importantly so many people in my real life were creating entire text chains around this incident that happened while we were on the break where a flight a delta flight on its way to i believe it was barcelona it had left atlanta and was going to barcelona after like a good amount of time in the air two or three hours turned or had to turn around and come back to atlanta because somebody had had um i'm not even going to say the diarrhea because it sounds like it was a medical event like it was it was more than just somebody you know was having a stomach problem some somebody basically lost control of themselves throughout the plane to where it was it was unsafe biologically for the plane to keep flying as determined by the by the flight crew and the captain and then they turned around and they went back what i thought was interesting about this was i was reading about this the next day and in the subsequent days and the only posts i saw on social media from people on the plane because a lot of news outlets were just aggregating or maybe what's the word i'm looking for collecting up various social media posts from people who had been on the flight was everyone on the flight said two things one it was totally the right call to go back which i was amazed by because if i was i mean you and i flew to australia if i was three hours into that flight and i knew that we're going to turn around and have to go the opposite direction for three hours get off the plane wait and fly i mean you know how impatient i am do you know how much time was

left in the flight if they hadn't turned around that to me is a key question there i would be

totally guessing i don't know what atlanta to barcelona is but i'm guessing okay you know i

was kind of i skipped over that detail so you're not even close to halfway there i don't well i

I mean, Atlanta is closer to the East Coast than we are. Yeah, it is.

Because at least, you know, I'm going to guess that they were still four hours away. At least, yeah. Probably. If not six, yeah. But people didn't seem mad about the flight being turned around. And also, people were so complimentary of how clean they got the airplane. I saw, like, multiple posts going, everything. What they didn't like was apparently the flight crew trying to spray various deodorants on things.

Yeah, I heard there was some vanilla scent.

I believe that was not a hit with the people. on the plane um but what people they ripped the carpet out how do you find who do you get to come to hartsfield jackson international airport in atlanta at two in the morning to replace the carpet on a presumably a bowing something plane how do you even do that like they ripped the carpet out and put new carpet in and it got rave reviews but when people got back on the airplane And they were like, this is incredible. Some people said, and I'm not exaggerating, Andrew, it was cleaner when we got on the airplane than the first time. That was before anyone had diarrhea everywhere.

You're bringing up interesting points of this. So here's the deal. I did not read or follow this on social media. Not your kind of story. But I heard a lot about this on various podcasts. I think I listen to a lot of Levitard, as you would guess, and a lot of our friend Bean's podcast, Cup of Tea, and a chat over the break. And so it's all kind of blurring together. So I can't remember kind of who said what. but um i guess i didn't realize that okay so first of all i was a little distracted i want to let you know that i have googled this and it seems like the first result says atlanta to barcelona is about eight and a half hours some people say like 11 hours i think that that might be wrong but anyway yeah so not even not even that close to halfway there frankly you know so okay i understand that um but you're saying that i figure when a plane runs into any kind of mechanical issue whatever the issue is you turn around the everybody gets off the plane and then everybody kind of rebooks tickets or whatever you don't end up on the same exact plane are you saying in this case the whole crew everybody everybody who was on that plane that was still they they all just got moved back onto the same plane after it was cleaned up with a new carpet that's that that is bananas i mean does that sound wouldn't you think like okay we're going to decommission this plane a little bit and we have another one that is that will take care of the flight while they were put

back on the same airplane and also it's like do you have extra carpet yeah that seems really odd that's i mean that was just that was just a small detail and maybe it's possible that they just cleaned it so well they just they ran in one of those stanley steamers that somebody ran down to the safeway and i want to get one of those have you ever used one of those i haven't but i'm tempted they're very once i get carpet again actually you know what there's carpet upstairs In my house I don't dare Stanley Steamer that I think it would be troubling I think it would be more troubling than whatever happened on that airplane

You mean what you see in the bucket

After it sucks it up What would come through I mean it's just like this kind of real As you would say grotty carpet That's just been there for however many years And I don't want to do anything about it yet Because eventually I want to replace it But I don't know what I want to replace it with So it just remains that would be also i think i wonder if it's an ohio thing because i grew up saying grody and you grew up saying grotty how do you spell it's funny you know is grotty definitely a word

because i know the word grody but i'm not using it i the thing is when i say if i were to say grody that i don't use those interchangeably i don't know why here's let me try i didn't even realize that i use the word grotty but if i say grody i mean ew like that's like valley gal you know like is that still a thing gag me with the chainsaw gag me with a spoon ew grody man uh grody to the max valley girls mean we just grew up saying that but so yeah that and then when i say grotty i just usually mean like i i don't even know if that's is that a word it so

is andrew listen to this grotty unpleasant and of poor quality a grotty little hotel

yeah i think of it exactly how you use it i think of it as a space as being grotty as opposed to

So you could not be, this is an Andrew W. Monday, my friend, that you couldn't be more right. I had never seen that word before, and I just thought maybe this was the regional difference between growing up saying grody and growing up saying grotty. But you're right, grotty is exactly how you've been using it.

But wait a second, how did you spell that, by the way? G-R-O-T-T-Y is what the internet says. See, interesting, and if you type in G-R-O-D-Y, that would be grody to the max. Then you get grody, an old man with grody yellow teeth. So, okay, gotcha, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man. It's not from a female.

You know what else I got during our little break, Andrew? I got some TBTL.

i saved tbtl commemorative coins oh you got oh you know what we don't we don't we don't check our mail enough we check our mail about once every two weeks i'll bet you i got some out in

the mailbox and i got the certificate of authenticity that's i mean john sklaroff my friends and also eric who helped with the design on the coin like yes those turned out so good and the certificate is pretty is pretty great like i am very very pleased with that whole thing so thank you to everyone who supported us during the thon and i hope you all are enjoying

your coins and certificates i guess i should bring i guess i should bring this up i don't know really if this is the right move or not but did you hear that i made a little mistake

on the coin on the coin no let me take a look hold on please hold let me see let me see if i

can identify it okay i'm looking at one of the coins i give i i thought i looked this up and i there's a misprinting on the coin and I think this was me I think I was the one who submitted it but I also have a memory of like sort of looking it up on the TBTL wiki and I thought I got it right but I think I got something slightly wrong according to social media

oh that's so funny and I love it it's like the upside down airplane it's ad proximum not ad proxium

exactly I missed, I wrote ad prox, what is it saying? So the true thing is ad prox, but I wrote what? Ad prox, so it's missing one letter. It's missing the M. So now we have to do another printing of the coins.

Are you not feeling yourself anymore in the bedroom and in life? Ask your doctor about ad prox. That definitely sounds like a thing Dr. Arakaki would have you take. I not only am I not bummed about that I love it I feel like it just makes it more fun and weird at tbtl it was almost too good like first of all John and I'm wondering to what degree John's lovely wife and lovely dogs were dragged in on this packaged up so much of this stuff and sent it out in such a timely fashion like this was a really quick turnaround time based on when the thon was because because now we're a small business and this is our you know this is all our own financing uh we were like well we're gonna figure out how many of the we're trying to avoid another lunchbox situation we were like we need to figure out how many of these people want before we make them so we don't make a bunch of them and they're sitting around so like considering that like from when the thon ended to when people are holding these and also just how great they turned out it's amazing amazing and again almost too perfect but now it's got that classic tbtl thing going on which is that the proximum is slightly incorrect well now uh john

and his family and his dogs all have to start packaging things up again i'll get tomorrow on the show i'll give everybody john's home address so they can send the coins back to john and then And John can either etch in an M somehow or reorder the whole batch. A little carrot with the M. It's amazing how a TBTL-a-thon goes from successful to not successful as soon as you have to reship out however many new coins.

Do you want to know what TBTL in a microcosm, what a snapshot of TBTLs? It's that right there. Here's what happened. You did a bunch of heavy lifting Of going, I mean, you know, not super heavy But you were being assiduous In your work, and you were like This is what it's called And this is what we're going to write on it And these are the versions, and you were kind of being Part of the communication loop with John And presumably to some degree with Eric and with me I'm sure it went past me

I hired Eric, he owes me everything

I then, I'm sure at some point It was like, hey, take a Last pass at this Luke and check and make sure it's all okay. And I probably said, looks great. As I was like bombing down I-5, voice to texting, half looking at it. So I missed, the only person who should be more likely to actually catch an ad proximum mistake would be Jen Flash Andrews. But other than her, I should be like, if I would have looked at that carefully, I would have been like, oh, it's actually proximal.

You would have noticed. By the way, what you wrote was looks great, period.

Then it goes to John Sklaroff, TBTL, employee numerino, know who then hits it out of the park based on the information he's been given which is makes this like you know helps facilitate this really cool coin and this great you know certificate and they all get mailed out on time and everything's good everyone did exactly what they do in this scenario you did most of the kind of like probably stuff between you and i on the content side you kind of handled that i was careful to not proofread anything and then john made sure to deliver the product very quickly and effectively.

to the listeners and then john forgot to dial up phyllis on the last day of the tbtl-a-thon if you'll recall um hey let me play for you two voicemails now i have we obviously we got a lot of voicemails during um the last two weeks that we haven't had a chance to play so i'm excited to play a bunch for you but i do want to play two in a row today only because of the top story today regarding uh the poop on the airplane we were talking about stepping in dog poop a couple of weeks ago on the show and i thought you might have but then we decided we didn't think it was actually poop yeah and i think maybe some of these voicemails might even reference that yeah so like during the party i i'm back to believing that i stepped in poop i don't know it's very confusing but at some point during the party i'm standing in my basement up for that breed of dog and like i don't know like i stepped in a pile of something that was clinging to my shoe that looked for all purposes like dog poo um because it's just different stepping in mud and stepping in poo It's like you always talk about finding money on the ground and you can just tell when it's money. Oh, my God. I thought I found $100 the other day. I was driving on a lime bike behind Genevieve. I meant to tell her because I don't know if you ever wondered why I ended up being like several blocks behind her. I slammed on my brakes on one of those green rental lime bikes. I was convinced. You know, you just have that feeling when you find money. And I was like, that was a big bill. That was a big bill. I slam on the brakes. I kind of almost spin around. i go back to it and it was a crushed cigarette pack of some brand that i hadn't seen before but it was like all white but then some sort of intricate gold design like goldish green design on it and i was like all right you get this one anyway a while back there's a question about whether or not i stepped in dog poop or not the bottom line is i threw those shoes away um but uh having said that that uh got a couple of people to call in with their own stories that

are somewhat related let's start with this one hey dummies in in light of andrew's possible dog poo story i got a good one for you bought my house in 2016 and my dog had died about six months earlier so when i moved in i had to build a fence for a new puppy which i didn't have yet i live out in the sticks and the neighbors had a kind of a free range black lab who was always in my yard and i didn't have a dog so i kind of adopted this dog i was out putting the fence up and it must it was october september or something it was raining and this dog had pooed in my yard around the area where i was drilling fence posts and putting my fence post up and i was wearing my rain gear because it was wet and i made sure to work around this pile of poo and my daughter had a parent-teacher conference that day so i'm working around the pile of poo and i leave at the very last second that i could to get to the parent-teacher conference so i pull my rain gear off and uh i take off and go to this parent-teacher conference and on the way down to the parent-teacher conference i smelled dog poo so i checked my shoes and nothing so i'm in the parent teacher conference with my wife and my kid and the teacher and i look down because i can smell the dog poo but i can't find it and i look down and it's all down the back side of my pant leg somehow i got into the poo didn't know it it made it through my rain gear up my pant leg and was all over my pant leg for my kid's first parent teacher conference Yay for me. Power out.

The kid did not graduate. No, the kid was put into the system. That's right. I mean, that's the part that's getting left out is that nobody—the kid was immediately taken away from those parents. Oh, that's—well, listen, I don't want to victim blame here, but—and I am so guilty of doing this kind of stuff. But unless I missed some kind of part of the setup to this, I'm forced to wonder if it would have been easier for that listener to just bag up the dog poop and get it out of there as opposed to continuing to work on the fence. Now, maybe it was like, I know that feeling when you're getting really locked in on a task, and he's got all the rain gear on, and he's just like, I just want to get this done. I don't want to go find a bag and come back and pick it up. It felt like maybe an interruption in his progress. I'm constantly doing things like that around here where it's like I'm just doing something that in the moment feels like it's the more efficient way to do it but then I realize hours later no that was dumb why'd you do that but yeah I feel like this could have been avoided by picking the dog poop I also wonder if a little bit of that was because it was the neighbor's dog if there was a certain I don't want to say resentment but just kind of like it's not even your dog's poop so then you're even less inclined to want to pick it up

I went on the same exact sort of journey, and the one thing that sort of belies me

that is uh the caller says that he almost sort of adopted this neighbor's dog so it doesn't sound like there was a lot of resentment there but it might have it might have been a little bit of that but also just sort of like i'm gonna i'll i'll pick that up in a second i'll pick that up in a second but i'm just gonna focus on this like you said i think that's a very human thing like you know you're doing it the wrong way you know that walking around this pile at the end of the day time and time again isn't really worth it but you just sort of keep on putting that part

i can i can totally see that i will say oh go ahead no go ahead the silver lining to all this i think is that this listener's kid it was their first parent teacher conference meaning they were in like kindergarten or first grade because that's survivable in terms of the reputational damage it does with your kid can you imagine eighth grade can you imagine ninth grade you go to a parent teacher conference with dog shit on you and you have like a tween or a teenage kid

Now, you picture the kid there. Did you go to these conferences?

No, but the listener mentioned that his daughter was in the conference.

Oh, I missed that part. Okay, or I didn't notice that part. Oh, wow.

Yeah, I can't remember. I feel like sometimes I was in those as a kid and sometimes not. I also think there was a point where my parents stopped attending them.

It was never good news. I remember there were two events. There were open houses where the whole family would go and you would go.

Did you have an ice cream social?

No, is that part of a traditional open house?

we would i think that when i was a kid at bagley elementary school i think that the open house i feel like we definitely had an ice cream social because i was obsessed with it as you might imagine and that was just where there was just a million little like plastic you know bowls of like a square of ice cream like it had just been like industrial like some industrial band saw had cut each so it wasn't like somebody hand scooped it was like a rectangle of ice cream with chocolate syrup on top and my memory is that that was the open house like they wanted to get people there so they made it an ice cream social but i just remember being a kid and being like ice cream

social that's incredible no we didn't have that but here was my experience we had open houses where you and your parents would go and you would meet your teachers and usually like you would know the open house was coming up for a couple of weeks so you might do special art projects in art class whatever so those would be displayed in the hallway walls or what have you and mostly they're kind of friendly but you're still nervous as a kid like i know that you always think that like i i would have my shit really buttoned up as a kid like academically and not getting in trouble but that wasn't true i was always in some sort of trouble because my grades weren't that great my sister had blazed a path of getting like all a's all the time which really screwed me over because i was more about the water b and c kid and so like it whatever like i was always these these interactions between my parents and teachers were very anxiety causing for me and so but i remember open houses everybody would play nice a little bit maybe a little bit of teasing from the teacher maybe mrs archer would say you know andy's really got to start using bigger pencils you know like but then you know i don't know what how many months later then there's the parent teacher conference and the kids stay home for that and luke when i want to appreciate my life as a 46 year old like i am just so glad that i don't have any scenarios where you're just at home waiting for your parents to get home because you know things got real and you know that they just sat down and talked about everything that needed to be talked about and your parents were going to come home and start laying out what mrs velardo said like those moments of waiting were the worst

just the worst yeah just that dread ball i i feel like i should have had so much more of that dread because i was such a bad kid i mean i was really like a very very challenging student to have in your class if you were a teacher i mean i was i'm not exaggerating those are really bad they made me look at ink blots i got in so many fights one year that they sent me to like the school psychologist at bagley like this guy's got some stuff going on kind of thing and um you would think that i would have had that same dread because there's no way the news was good but this is the thing andrew i don't think my parents were going to any of those teacher conferences so which also is both the it's the solution and the source of the problem yeah right do you think i was fighting kids help behind the school because i was getting too much parental attention

right yeah what's that inkblot look like looks like somebody could use a real punch in the nose

what it looks like i mean i must have been in the like very very latest like i was probably one of the last kids in america at a public school looking at an inkblot you're looking at an

inkblot saying as we like to say on the show now why uh yada all right let me play one more voicemail for you on this topic this is from our friend bet up in upstate new york and also my wordle friend hey look and andrew it's that again um i was just going with a poopy shoe story um after andrew was talking

about the mud rabbit whatever stuff that was on issue at gen abuse party um so i work at tj maxx and um the other day a woman came up to me and was like i'm so sorry i guess i didn't look down but i just realized that i went to the bathroom and i stepped in poop someone had literally pooped right in front of the toilet in the ladies' room.

Can you hit pause real quick, Andrew? That reminds me of maybe on tomorrow's show I'll tell you about my latest podcast obsession that is eerily related to the story that Bette is telling and was a recommendation from a listener. So, like, just, you know, put a pin in that or whatever we say.

Someone had literally pooped right in front of the toilet in the ladies' room. so i had to go clean it up and the poor woman threw her shoes away and had to go buy new shoes i wanted to give her free shoes but i don't have the authority to do that but um anyway i don't even have a power out for that but uh yeah that's my poopy shoe story man ah your instincts are

right that i really wish the store could have found a way to give that woman the new pair of shoes like if that happened on premise on premises um that that that would be such a good i mean for such a bad story it would have been such a nice thing for that customer to go home with and you'd have loyalty for life if you don't already totally and listen bet i don't want to

i don't want to sound like you weren't trying hard enough but when i was at home depot the other day i was doing the self-checkout and the home depot staffer who was assigned to monitor the self-checkout or came over to me she goes you better put zero down for bags and i was like well i'm taking a bag she goes yeah who cares it's eight cents i was like whoa edgy some edgy work dana yeah like i'm like you're just coming over here telling me to i mean was i gonna put down zero maybe i'm getting official cover on this now i feel like you know now the thing is it's a more complicated thing to try to find this customer a replacement pair of shoes that they like that doesn't have the anti-theft tag on it and that uh you know like it's one thing like i'm just imagining bet just like walking over and just grabbing a pair of shoes off of the thing and then just walking and handing them to the customer and saying vaya con dios kind of like that person did with telling me not to pay for my bag in fact you know what it also happened at a safeway last week for me andrew turns out the residents of longview washington at least the people that work at the safeway and home depot take a dim view of the bag charge well yeah because

i was gonna ask you without getting into that that bag charge is a governmental mandated thing by the state of washington so my guess is this is a little bit of thumbing the nose at old oh i saw I saw a truck in my neighborhood, by the way, that has a classic Calvin peeing on the words Jay Inslee, our governor here in Washington. I have a feeling that there's some of that going on.

Yes, although these two people did not present as actively like, I mean, I don't know their politics. My guess would be being out here probably to the right of you and I. but also it wasn't like like neither of them whispered let's go brandon as they did it you know or was wearing some like i said this god the official outfit of being a customer of the home depot was just really something i mean it's also subtle in a way that if you weren't looking for it if you weren't obsessed with it the way i am you wouldn't notice it it's it's it's just like every not every person but so many people if they're wearing a t-shirt it has some Kind of thing on it that just lets me know That we're probably not On the same page it's just It's either this we the people shit or 1776 which has now been completely co-opted Or like again It's just a black t-shirt and it's just like an American flag That's barely visible because it's The same color of black It's just like or this

Oh the black on black

Black on black flag or nine line Shit which is like some I don't know it's got a helicopter Thing but if you see nine line run you know that's a person's has a bad take on january 6th just it's just crazy all the subtle signifiers when you go to a home depot in a kind of rural part of america i'm gonna you know i'm

only i'm i'm only gonna uh redact the name of the state here out of respect for our listeners who live in this state because we've met some of them before and they're wonderful people and i know this doesn't represent them but i did a little traveling for family over the break and i was in a state where while I was waiting for the plane, I start, you know, like, so I'm in Seattle at

the sea tack airport but we're going to this state as the destination and you're already you can already identify the people who are going back home to this state because ice every shirt had something to do with either guns or bombs one the first shirt i saw was something like drop in war heads on foreheads since 1945 which i googled on my phone to some old i want to sounds like marines but it's actually i think it's marines i can't remember if you're dropping bombs i don't think it was the um the air force because i don't think they were established as the air force at that

time anyway definitely not um word to your mom i came to drop bombs i've got more rhymes and the

bible has psalms it wasn't that one no that was it actually it was was it jump around was it from house of pain was jump around yeah no like every shirt i saw either had like you said a uh a u.s flag that was somehow more ominous than just right white and blue um literally about dropping bombs on people or like there was this long quote on the back of somebody's shirt on my plane like a t-shirt i'm guessing now that it was like a homemade shirt maybe that was an inside joke that said like it wasn't a bump stock but there's i had to look up what this meant but it said if you need a blank on a 350 blank then you're not living your life right or something and then is attributed to somebody and i tried googling it and i think it was just like something about some sort of a a shock absorber for a certain kind of rifle or something so in other words like

if you're not able to handle this absorb the kickback of this particular firearm you you just

need to call dr arakowski everything every shirt i saw was something about a bomb or a gun or while i'm driving around on the on the highways and byways you just constantly and i'm in like a Oh, we should talk more about car rental. I had a car rental panic. I don't know if you saw that I had called you at some point during the break because I was panicking over a car rental. Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought that was a butt dial.

No, no. I'll tell you about that. I saw that after the fact.

And I said to Beck, I was like, ooh, Andrew doesn't call me unless it's probably serious. But I hadn't seen the call for hours. And I was like, but there's no voicemail. No, no.

It wasn't serious. And I was a little embarrassed to even be calling you. I just actually it'll be a good story for another day about me trying to rent this car. Because what do you do the most in life is rent cars. And I never rent them. And I had a little panicky thing. Yeah, I'm going to tell you about that. I'm actually going to like that story. Yeah, because I thought I had gotten scammed. But anyway, you just you're I'm just driving a Kia Forte, which is like a full size sedan. But like constantly you look in the in the rearview mirror and what do you see? But just the giant grill of a truck that is like riding your ass and is like it looks like a monster truck from your perspective.

how would you feel about a window kind of lettering on a window that becca and i saw when we were in california uh which i i it's just i haven't been able to get out of my head it was a kind of a crossover vehicle that the the the woman driving it had you know a few different things on there about being a mom and you know boss bitch mom or whatever something and then she had something i've never seen before which it said i'm not drunk i'm passing snacks and whooping ass and i was like this is meant to let law enforcement know that if you see this car swerving it's not because the driver is inebriated it's because they're trying to give snacks to their kids in the back seat or thwack them yeah yeah i'm not drunk i'm passing

snacks and whooping ass yeah that sounds like somebody i'd like to have a beer with i mean it

doesn't seem like the greatest way to grow up probably as one of those kids but like i just thought wow that's is that is that honestly meant as a way of sort of interdicting a traffic stop that doesn't need to happen and also should i get one of those in case i'm actually drunk like is that you know like if you just put that on the back i mean do the cops leave you alone when baby on board simply won't do baby on board isn't enough i'm not drunk i'm passing snacks and whooping ass. All right. That feels like the perfect place to wrap up this Monday edition of the program. It's always nice to be back. It's nice to talk to you, my friend. Yeah, it's good to be back. And I'm excited to hear about your car rental story. Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll slate that for tomorrow, yeah. Who owns Pike Place? Who owns the term Pike Place was another story that came around.

I was reading about that. I have opinions.

Good.

So that's all going to be on.

Also, can I ask you a question? Yeah.

This is a question.

should we talk should we talk about the JFK thing

you know I don't I have not I have not read in on that but I'll do that today and then let's figure

that out yeah maybe I'm not sure if it's an appropriate topic for us or not but somebody who's a secret service when JFK was assassinated has come out after 60 years and has its slightly different version of events and so I don't know if it gets too gory or not but it's interesting Thank you.

Okay, let's talk about it. I'm interested. All right, thanks for listening, everyone. We will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. Until then, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves. And as we always say on the show, at Proxium on WeWeum.

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