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it i wouldn't see it but it's now here chips and dips chips and dips i love chips and dips

that's a that's a no from me dog you know being in prison i have uh finally decided to start my first novel. I started it two weeks ago. It is Christine by Stephen King. Mom, it's not

real. It's a jib jab. You know, I just came here to hit dingers and have a good time.

That's about it. All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It is our turn. My name is Luke

burbank i am your host another day another victory for the og taking down the sweats

the impostors among us coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia where it's a windy and kind of cold day but it is also absolutely beautiful out there

oh ma pa it's just beautiful they've got all the dredging equipment out on the river

where they will be, I guess, dredging up the silt in the bottom of the river so that it is deep enough for these big old commercial vessels to make their way through. There's a series of islands out in the river that I'm looking at that are just made of dredge. They're just made of silt that's been dredged up from the mighty Columbia River over the years, and now they have their whole own ecosystems going. Life finds a way, my friend, and we find a way to get to episode 4080 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. We're going to take a quiz today. You know, we've been real big on trying to look into the youth culture and things like sticking out your guillot for the Rizzler. And so we're going to keep on with that theme today and take a quiz from The Washington Post. Finding out if we talk like boomers. And boom goes the dynamite. Or if we talk like millennials at work. Andrew and I will take that quiz. Also, it's getting close to Thanksgiving, and I am still actually, even as I'm talking in this microphone to you, trying to decide what manner of transportation I will take to try to get to my parents' house for the big Burbank get-together.

Gentlemen, to bed, for we leave at 9.30-ish.

Right now, the options are, and I mean this quite seriously, a plane, train, or automobile, and I cannot decide which one. Maybe we'll arrive at some sort of clarity by the end of the show. We're definitely going to get some clarity from this guy, the longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's got hair, he's got chutzpah, and broad-based knowledge. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I don't know if this is the best place to put this information in the show, but I'm afraid if I don't put it here, I will once again forget to make this announcement on today's episode of TBTL. We got a note from our friend Melly out there in New York, who is once again organizing a TBTL card exchange. It's one of the highlights of the year for the TENS community, I believe. And Melly has made it very easy this year. If you're familiar with this process, you need no explanation. If not, it's pretty simple. You sign up to be part of the TBTL card exchange, holiday card exchange, and you will be matched up with a few other 10s and you will send out some cards and you will receive some cards and it will bring joy into your heart and the hearts of others. All you have to do this year is go to a little form that Melly has set up and fill it out and you will be entered to win Holiday Spirit. And everyone's a winner. And everyone's a winner. That's what's amazing. Exactly. So I'm going to read this to you. It's a little URL here. I know I sometimes spoof around about URLs. This is really the URL. I'm not spoofing. Write this down. tinyurl.com slash

tbtl card senders all word one word I should say tinyurl.com slash tbtl card senders all one word and there you go that's how you can partake this year thank you Melly again for setting this up I mean Melly has been fine tuning this process for years and managing a lot of dang information and emails and honestly I'm not joking when I say we will end up seeing a lot of photos of the cards that are being sent around it is so heartwarming and really really sweet in all seriousness yes it's really great so www.this and www.that i'm assuming also

that there will be a link maybe over on the stens facebook page maybe in the slack channel i bet you there's some other places where you can um get that information and you're absolutely right andrew like each year uh when when we see people um you know kind of showing the cards they've gotten from their friends the tens it just makes me so happy that we get to be um part of this community and i guess kind of to a certain degree the straws that are kind of stirring the drink but let's be honest this drink has taken on a whole life of its own which involves all these great people um i also am thinking about our community of folks because i watched i watched a three-part netflix documentary last night about what can go real sideways when you get a community of people together oh yeah was it jones town no it wasn't it was south of jones town but north of tbtl there is this weird, and I feel comfortable saying that I don't think we're yucking any yums I think anyone who watches this documentary or reads the articles about it there is this couple that has started this thing called Twin Flames Universe and it's a married couple who profess to be able to figure out who your special someone is, who your twin flame is and uh and so you know they they got this online community going of people that were looking to find love and a lot of folks who'd sort of been through a lot actually and they just like uh they they just kind of have you know put these these poor people that are just looking for love through so many different things particularly you know having them pay for all these quote-unquote classes and uh and and and it's so complicated i don't even want to get into it but if you if If you're into a good sort of pseudo-crime doc, I can recommend Escaping Twin Flames on Netflix.

And you're one segment in of a three-part series? No, I watched all three, baby. Oh, gotcha. I don't know why I thought you said you'd only start.

I cozied up with a, and I'm sad, Andrew, that I'm proud of this, but I cozied up with a small pizza last night from Poker Pete's. Nice. I was tempted to go up. I have this scarcity mentality and this fear. It actually sprung up when I was at the big software place over the weekend because they just have every kind of beverage, you know, non-alcoholic beverage you could imagine for free. So like coconut water, club sodas of all varieties, soda sodas, milk, chocolate milk, strawberry milk. Iced tea, sweet tea, sour tea. Nice, sour tea, love that. all of it like i mean there is if you can think of a non-alcoholic beverage they've got it and like 100 of it in all of these refrigerators that are just in every place that we were filming and i was like i don't know why but like coconut water seems really fancy to me i don't even know what coconut water retails for i mean it's one coconut water how much could it be do you like it i remember i don't even know if i like it andrew but turns out i don't i i see it looks

so refreshing i remember one day in la on a saturday veves and i had a little routine on saturdays we'd go see a movie at the arc light and i remember like walking around that's um sunset right and i'm walking around sunset sunset waiting for a movie to begin going into a very large uh pharmacy and they had so many different beverages to select from and i'm like i'm in la right now i'm really thirsty i mean what would be better than coconut water turns out nearly anything at least for me like i know a lot of people like coconut water but i wasn't ready i I wasn't ready for the viscosity, and I think it even had like little, I think it had like texture to it. Yeah, I was not ready for that. I thought it was going to be like drinking from a spring. I don't know why I thought that. I know that coconuts and springs are different things.

Because all of the pop culture of our youth is, you know, the person is on the deserted island, and they're, you know, very parched, and then they cut open a coconut, and then they drink it, and it slakes their thirst. I think we were told through cartoons and Farside ads, that was a weird thing to say after farside we were just taught through our childhood pop culture that like nothing could be more refreshing than splitting open a coconut and drinking the coconut water out of there i'm i would say i don't i don't mind them it's not a big go-to for me but i will tell you this andrew i took three of them out in my shoe i mean not the shoes i was wearing but i had you know like a lot of wardrobe i'd brought my own you're being serious i thought i'm being absolutely serious

i thought you did serious as a heart attack right now you did mean the show i thought you did mean the shoe that you were wearing you really did you don't even know if you liked coconut water but you took those because they seem like the fanciest of the options yes this is how my mind works

they seemed like of all the things there the because i have andrew i have bubble water right

here at my house oh wait did you take coconut water or bubble water i took coconut water this

I'm taking you through my thought process, which is looking at this container, looking at this, you know, cooler, if you will, I'm seeing, okay, all kinds of, of soda water. Well, I have soda water. I'm looking at a bunch of milk, you know, different, you know, 2% and like I said, chocolate milk, which a lot of people on the shoot were actually drinking, which I don't know why that seemed like a kind of an interesting choice, but Hey, you know, follow your heart. So I'm like, yeah, no, I don't, I don't even know if that'll keep on the drive home. and then I'm like I'm looking at coconut water and I'm thinking I don't know what coconut water retails for but this seems like the most high ticket item in here and there's tons of it and so I thought well let me just grab like Becca probably likes and let me just grab like three of them and then I realized that like I was gonna have to go say goodbye to everyone and I didn't want to be like holding three coconut waters plus I literally had like um you know some backup I had the shoes that I was wearing in the chute, which were not the same shoes I'm gonna wear to actually get in my car and drive home. So I slipped two of them. I slipped one into each shoe and then one into my pocket of my shirt I had on and then kind of walked out and said goodbye to everybody. And I have yet to open any of the coconut waters. I may never, but I just felt a force that was more powerful than me that made me be like, I'm not gonna just walk at it or without some of this free coconut water.

So you weren't trying to hide it. You said you put one in your shirt pocket as well. So it wouldn't have been a situation if like if some if you had bent over and like a bunch of coconut water came spilling out of your empty shoe. That wouldn't have been like an embarrassment for you.

Well, I do think it would have been funny and maybe mildly embarrassing, but I wasn't stealing this stuff. It isn't like they didn't say, you know, please hands off the coconut water. It was like hands on everything. Like what does in fact, that was the other thing about this weekend is that or the past weekend is there's so much craft service there is. i mean there's a whole person assigned to just make sure that there's a huge table of snacks at all times and i'm not a big snacker but it's again it's this mentality i have it's like ah like how am i not there's just like a bunch of bags of like dried mango there's a bunch i don't even eat beef jerky but there's a bunch of this like kind of healthier pepperoni stick called chomps which i think you can buy at costco or whatever which is they're pepperoni sticks but but supposedly they're you know made with maybe more sustainably harvested meat or something i I don't really know, but I was almost like, maybe I take some of these. I was like, I don't even eat these. What's wrong with my brain? But it's like, if there's free stuff, because I grew up the way I grew up, I have this fear of running out of things. I have this fear of reaching for something, reaching for the last one of something and realizing we don't have any more of them. And because of that, I always overdo it. And that's why I always get like a medium pizza, even though I don't need an entire medium pizza, but I just think to myself, what if I want one more slice? Like if I get a small, which is plenty for somebody, which is plenty for one person. But what if I get done with the small and then I wish I had more pizza, Andrew? So that's why I typically end up getting more than I need. I was disciplined last night and I had a I ordered a small pizza with food and drink.

I am very much the same way, like a pizza. Like, why would I ever get a small pizza unless I was trying to be disciplined? Beer? I mean, that's not a very. Why would you ever get a small beer?

that has two beers and then the straws that go down your mouth the truth is i don't want a large

beer like less and less do i want like a tall boy because i just i'd rather have like more like smaller colder beers but sure um no but like especially for a party but even if it's a party of one or two if you count the dart bot like you know you can look in the fridge and say yeah there's plenty in there for tonight but honestly if i go to the store and get more and there's plenty left over for the future that'll make me feel better than um than like watching them diminish you know what i mean like even if there's a very good possibility that i will go to bed with whether we're talking food or beverage in this case like plenty left in the fridge i don't want to even start my evening running the risk of wanting more and the instances of me at the end of any evening being like i wish i had more fill in the blank ramen pizza beer whatever it is it's very rare but

i have that instinct as well well the thing that uh going down to old poker pete's uh provided for me andrew was a was a a bird's eye view if you will or a fly on the wall experience of just what let's just say the other side of the political divide really looks like because the way this pizza of places set up one side is just kind of like a brightly lit it's where they make the pizzas and Thank you. they might have like one table um but it's you know there's some like high schoolers working there making the pizzas and then the other side uh which i'd never actually been in before but i'd always seen and thought that kind of looks intriguing is like a really old school tavern and it's just got like a you know i mean it's just wood paneling and i mean it's right out of like 1970s casting of kind of like a taverny i don't even want to say dive bar but just kind of sort of dark and it's just kind of very much like you would expect and i decided to order this pizza because i was in town and i had to wait for it and i thought am i going to wait under the fluorescent lights or am i going to wait where they're playing the run-up to monday night football so i go and i sit at the end of the bar and i order my pizza and i'm waiting for it and i just it was like it was a bunch of it was all dudes and they were all the same dude there is a uniform and None of these guys know that they wear it, but I noticed this when I go down to town. There is a uniform, and it is flannel shirt of some kind, kind of oversized flannel shirt, camouflage hat with some sort of hunting reference or NRA reference on it, and jeans or whatever, and they all look, they're all the same guy. And they all, you know, they were passing, one guy was passing his phone around that was basically playing conservative memes, like you know little parody songs at the at the um what would you say like parody songs that were at the uh expense of like any kind of liberal progressive thought pattern you know and i'm just sitting there like when is this pizza going to be done how long do i have to sit here am i capable of not getting into it with these guys luckily i didn't have anything to drink which

probably really helped my self-discipline and your biggest question on your mind probably also is why am i wearing an elizabeth warren t-shirt right now it was the only thing i had that was clean

right i mean that's your pizza buying shirt so like i'm sitting there and this was the thing that actually was was like kind of shocking to me to see this happening uh like at a ground level some the the bartender who's a nice enough person i don't know what her political affiliation is actually it's very possible that she is maybe a little bit less kind of just like hardcore red reactionary as everybody along this thing seemed to be but like um uh she uh oh she was talking to them they were they all know each other of course they're all in there every night also i think i was let down because i've driven by this place a million times and thought maybe that could be a fun little place for me to go have a drink sometimes like it's so appealing from the outside and then when i went sounds great aside from the memes and then when i got in there and sat down i was like i can't this can't this is never going to be my spot this can't be my spot Like the clientele, at least on this particular night Also it was like 5 o'clock So maybe there's a changing of the guard Maybe at 9 o'clock it's people that are a little less this way But like this crew of guys were not dudes That I was going to be able to vibe with And I actually feel like I can sometimes get past political stuff But they didn't even seem like good guys Or fun guys who happen to just have different politics than me They all just seemed like the kind of guys that sit at the bar And make entendre jokes towards the bartender Like let me just put it this way Andrew I guess Monday nights there is They have hot dogs as a specialty Or as they were calling them wieners And there was just no end of wiener jokes Coming from these dudes

Because it has two meanings

It has two meanings And that was I mean just absolutely Just that was destroying the room That level of comedy

That is good stuff

But so the bartender at some point They were talking about like Are you out of whatever Or they're talking about the beers and they're like have you been selling a lot of that does anybody buy that or whatever they're having this conversation she just says casually they go well we we ran out of coors light and then we had bud light and she goes but like nobody drinks bud light anymore and they all went yeah nobody drinks bud light and i was like oh shit that's a thing that is and it was it was so like it was it wasn't even performative it was like she was stating it like saying if you if you hold an apple in the air and you let go of it it will fall to the ground and they were all saying they were just like observing gravity like it did they didn't even pause they didn't even skip a beat it was just like well yes of course we as a group have have have decided that bud light is no longer something we will consume and it was just wild to see that that is that ingrained in people that they have not gotten over it that is a permanent life decision for them around bud light and again

the the the original sin here i don't even know why i need to take it there but i feel like i missed like the original sin was that they they made some special packaging and sent like some free cases to a trans person somewhere like a trans woman named dylan mulvaney they were doing right right of course sorry but i mean that's it though it wasn't like they they didn't they didn't rebrand all their cans they kind of just highlighted somebody just in a chemical in the beer that makes you trans right of course I mean it's just

amazing um that that see like as you were describing that bar and this again doesn't speak well of me I think I was sitting there thinking not could I push through because I think I this sounds like a the type of bar the type of structure that I would like and I was wondering like if I lived in a small town like yours and that was my only option could I like could I grit through just by being quiet and being the weird guy in the corner with my book and sort of drinking it in and maybe judging people from afar but not getting into it not getting into conversations but just sort of enjoying but like then you just like you just kind of drop a specific example like that and it's like oh no I'd shrivel up in a second like I couldn't I couldn't return to that place probably and with the expectation of just chilling and again I don't want to be the type of person who can't share spaces but my god like that's just so like you the way you set that up was perfectly just like oh yeah we don't drink blood light and we're like i forgot that anybody was ever mad about that and i'm still trying to figure out

like why people are mad and i generally think that those kinds of things those sort of like we're all gonna like you know burn our um you know fill in the blank our we're all gonna go out and shoot up a you know a particular product because we want to send the message that we don't like this anymore because they did something woke i my general assumption is that eventually people forget about and if it was a thing that they liked or used they just go back to liking or using it yeah that's that's what i figured that's what i assume but this was just i mean again it's anecdotal but this was just a moment of seeing like no it that one thing changed i mean i don't know how many of these guys were bud light drinkers to start with right but for these people if they were ever let's say they were having a get together and they were grabbing beers and they thought someone might like a like beer these guys are not grabbing a half rack of bud light even for somebody else it's like it is now it's it might as well uh have a picture of nancy pelosi

on the box or something so these guys are pro cancel culture then because they want to cancel well i mean andrew i'm so i need to go there and just ask some questions just so that i can

understand better if you if you could even know the number of different arguments i was having in my head as i waited the 20 minutes for my pizza it was it was like i mean shadow boxing to an extraordinary degree because because they're also just saying so many things that are so wrong like about one of the guys so of course one of the tvs on the football game and then one of the tvs was on the local like portland news um because we're close enough to portland that's the local tv and um there's just there it's a local tv story about showing some patrols that have been stepped up in portland like police patrols and then i mean this is the number one thing that the people that live in this part of the world that i don't vibe with the number one thing that makes their identity is that they hate portland it's like what gets them out of bed every morning and so of course when they just literally they're like they're like monkeys in the zoo and someone walked by with a thing of bananas and they all just going and throwing feces at the tv like they see portland on television they all just start like going crazy and like fighting each other and like it's pumping it's just the whole everything right which you know okay fine at least you're fluid i appreciate that you're comfortable silver backing your friend terry we're gonna have you drinking bud light in no time exactly get that trans beer away from me terry i need to mount you but anyway like i mean it was just like it was it was so like a picture goes up on a tv and you watch an emotion sweep through a group of dudes and then the one guy's like oh yeah like we're gonna go to portland like you can't uh oh can i park my car no you can't because it's a gas car and i was like who told this guy that you can't park a gas car in portland like honestly it's not a bad idea it's actually not it's actually not a terrible idea but it is definitely not a thing that's happening in portland like it was just what is the the drop that we play i've never heard someone be so wrong about so many things yeah it was just like uh it just like three or four guys just lobbing rumors they'd heard somewhere on the wind about what goes on in portland they were just so they were so kind of um what's the word i'm looking for satisfied in how right they were about this thing that they were so wrong about it was just like i i'm be honest with you between that and my uh three-leg parlay is not coming in last night it It was a dark night of the soul here high above the mighty Columbia. But I did, importantly, get a small pizza, Andrew.

All right. And it was – did you have any left over? Did you eat the whole thing? I assume you ate the whole thing. Oh, I ate the whole thing, baby.

And I probably didn't even need to. I didn't even need to, but I just – well, the thing is, I'm going down to Portland tonight to see Built to Spill with Becca, and then I'm going to be staying in Portland, and then tomorrow I'm –

I will be back here, but then I'm going to be eventually zooming towards my folks' house. And so I didn't think it was a good – I just didn't want to, like, have a bunch of extra pizza lying around. I decided I should store it in my stomach.

Yeah, you did it. I mean, you did it for society. I did, exactly. Absolutely. Yeah, that's a real bummer. Like, you describing that place, it sort of seems like a comfortable – and I like the fact that you said, you know, not a dive bar, just a tavern, like a local tavern. There's a difference. I think that people call anything that isn't like kind of a fancy bar, a dive bar these days. And it's nice to have a local tavern. But it is a bummer that it's just I don't know, man, that it's two Americas, I guess. I mean, it's a bummer to know that if they were to hear us, we would be the smug ones. And this drives me crazy because they sound like the smug ones.

But the difference is, here's what I think the difference is. There's a factual thing, which is you are not banned from parking your car in Portland because of it being a gas-powered vehicle. Are you sure it's a gas car, though? So the difference to me is it's like one group of people. I know. Gas car? It's a wild rumor.

I just want to start telling Genevieve, like, all right, hey, are you going to take the gas car tonight? Because I was supposed to go run to the grocery store. Like, I just only want to refer to my car as a gas car.

but like the to me that the problem is i mean yes we would sound smug to them but we would also be describing things generally speaking unless it's the music of jack webb from dragnet generally speaking we would be describing things that are factually the case in the world and i just think that's a fundamental difference and i do when we get into this kind of like well everyone sees the world differently it's like yes but i do think and i mean we've probably lost this battle unfortunately at least for the time being i don't know i don't know how we get it back but like we've lost the battle over an agreed upon fact-based universe yeah set of facts that are the you know like you could say back in the day like i don't want to go to portland because i don't want to pay for parking or because i don't like seeing all those uh people with uh with a dangly earrings hanging out of their ear there's men's with earrings down there like you could say a lot of things about what you don't like portland those would be based on real stuff now it's not even based on anything that's a real event and that's what that's why i think honestly one of the arguments is superior to the other one even if you take out the fact that one of the arguments i feel is more about empathy one of the arguments is more about taking care of our fellow humans etc etc take all the morality out of it one of the arguments tends to generally root itself in the facts of the of the objective world and one of them doesn't anymore and i think it's a worse

argument for that that is something that is getting more and more concerning to me because it is harder and harder to tell and it will continue to get harder and harder to tell what is real and what is not and luckily you and i are responsible and we would you know treat ai

responsibly but other people from whyy in philadelphia i'm sticking out my g at for the yes so we're not oh yeah i was actually waiting they were playing the money the other thing too

you knew i was building up to that obviously and i was i loved every minute of it i loved every

single minute of it or second of it maybe the other thing we really got to move on here but um uh because it's that time of year andrew for unhelpful travel advice which i like to talk about with you um but uh um there was the so the monday night football actually started while i was still waiting for my pizza and i will tell you this we did a whole segment you and i on the new monday night football intro where it's got that like absolutely terrible snoop dog rap about

like rivals we must win yeah you told me about i still don't think i've heard that in the wild

yeah and it's like it starts with like chris stapleton i think who i by all accounts is a pretty good artist and actually a cool like a good dude from what i'm able to you know he's not a morgan wallin who's casually dropping the n-word uh you know when he's drunk which is the like the one country music artist in america is a guy who's on the record saying yelling the n-word at people but um this guy chris stapleton i don't i think is actually a pretty cool dude so it's a cover of in the air tonight by phil collins and he's like what he's like chris stapleton is like in a like uh he's in a bizarrely empty giant loft like it looks like he's gonna he's about to go like protect gotham or something um because it's night and it's like there's like lightning outside and then he sings and then and then you know at midway through then snoop grabs the baton and then it's like both of them and it's the um a drummer uh who i for her last name is santana she's um in santana and also i think she plays with lenny kravitz carla santana maybe i don't know all of that is to say i'm watching this with fresh eyes because i'm thinking oh this the fact that this starts with a guy in a cowboy hat and a beard sauntering through town this is for these dudes no sure Yeah Because I was It didn't happen But I was waiting For the peanut gallery

to start acting up when they see snoop dog or when they see the drummer who happens to be a black woman i was like let's see what these guys like let's let's see what these guys take on the the fact that it's not uh our buddy oh yeah let's see what their take is the fact that it's not um bocephus anymore you know and that now it's like and i was like oh that's why they had to start it with this guy because a significant portion of america and by the way i'm sure it's over indexed for football watchers right sure like a sign probably the majority of football watchers are like these dudes at this bar like this is who they're having to appeal to because these are the people watching football it was just weird it was just i was i was accidentally embedded with a bunch of people i by the end of it i did it wasn't one of those things where i left feeling like we're more alike than we are different i left feeling like i'm i'm gonna go over to the fluorescent side next time and hang out with the high school kids baking the pizzas and watch whatever weird channel they have on that has like Yu-Gi-Oh going. Do they do the

Nickelodeon sportscast? I've been hearing about the Nickelodeon simulcast of NFL games for a while, just like people mentioning it and passing on sports radio, but I didn't know what they were talking about. But I was at the bowling alley the other day with my buddy and we were bowling. What did they say? Rolling Rocks? Is that what it's called? How do you say bowling? It sounds cool. And anyway, On one of the TVs above the lanes was some sort of a clip show showing highlights on Nickelodeon. It must have been Nick at Night, and they were showing highlights of an NFL game. And I finally got to see what those Nickelodeon simulcast games looked like. When they slime them in the end zone and stuff. It's so funny. Like, they're all wearing, like, one team. They just, like, they use, like, augmented reality slash animation just to, like, they put construction helmets on one team. and instead of throwing a football, they're throwing, I don't know what, something absolutely ridiculous like a pan of lasagna for some reason. I don't know what it was. Yeah, when you catch the ball, things squirt all over the place, but it's all this cartoonish augmented reality. Have you dipped your toes in any of this?

I've just seen clips of it.

I've never watched an entire game. Well, yeah, the thing is I don't think I could watch an entire game. I could re-watch an entire game. Okay, it's 11.15 right now. You just mentioned you want to go to break. We've got to stop effing around, but I've got to. So say by 1117, if we're not done, I'm just killing our mics. Did you for one moment last week when you saw the bullshit post by Snoop Doggy Dog? I use his full name because it matters. Did you believe it for one second? And I believe I don't even know the bullshit. You don't know what I'm talking about.

OK, so on the social media, look it's plain and simple. It's bullshit.

It was one of those things where I saw the reactions first and then finally I realized what it was. snoop dog posted on instagram and probably other social media a serious black and white photo of himself and the quote i am i am giving up smoke i'm giving up smoke a slang word for marijuana and everybody was like is i mean seemingly legitimate news organizations wrote about this and i'm just like this is not a thing this is him selling something this is him selling something i honestly thought it was going to be him selling some sort of a vape marijuana exactly i'm giving

up smoke because i'm going to now start using this product and i believe yesterday it was revealed

luke it was an advertisement for solo smokeless fire pits and stoves the kind that you and i have it had nothing to do with marijuana to begin with and it's like i don't dislike i don't dislike snoop doggy dog i hope these deals he makes i i'm fine with him getting rich finally making some money yeah i mean he doesn't need it but i also don't care i don't think he's a bad guy but like my point is just like I'm mad at everybody who for a second even considered this as a real thing that this was how he was announcing he was giving up marijuana like there's just no it was just so obvious marketing from the get-go and it just bothers me that anybody would waste ink on it

this must have happened on Friday because we had taped two shows on Thursday because this and I was and I was I was consumed with the filming of the stuff so because I feel like I would have heard about that and i i can imagine how frustrated you were like basically like you know paul revere trying to ride saying the bullshit is coming the bullshit is coming and then like you know news organizations being snoop dogg announced today he's and then i'm sure that they didn't just say giving up smoke because that would be the journalistically accurate thing to do but i'm sure many of them extrapolated what they wanted them to extrapolate which was

he's not going to smoke marijuana anymore and it's all um yeah it did happen on thursday so You were probably, you know, getting all geared up for your live wire stuff. But yet for the Rizzler. Exactly. But, you know, and it was still I mean, nobody wrote attention, attention. Snoop Dogg will stop. What is he? What does he actually go by now? Just Snoop Dogg. Calvin Brodus. Calvin Brodus is no longer going to smoke marijuana. It's just like the Internet was set.

flame today when Snoop Dogg set off speculation. You know what I mean? Sure, of course. Of course it was about speculation and everything, but like- Talking around it. Don't give him, don't, whatever he's selling, don't like, don't give him the free press on that.

Yeah, I agree. I am giving up smoke though, Andrew.

Oh, good.

Hey, if you're looking for something else to listen to in addition to TBTL, I've got the show for you it's terrible thanks for asking hosted by our pal nora mcinerney you've heard nora on this program many times uh you might have read her books which are incredible she's got a new one out relatively new one it's called bad vibes only no that's not a that's not a bestseller or anything is it wait a second let me look at this is a small font oh shit yeah it's a national best i don't know my why my reaction to that was aw shit because our books our non-existent books aren't doing quite as well yeah exactly you may remember the time that we did uh tbtl from nora's house yes because our van blew up and she was nice enough to let us do the show while she and her family were going on vacation yes how hard it is to pack up like 90 kids and get going to minnesota which she was and she was like yeah of course come over and you can do the show anything you need and she's like interrupted her getting ready to leave for vacation it was literally happening like they left when we were starting the show and then i believe our our camera melted because it was so hot in the arizona sun that we couldn't even live stream yes that camera aka my

phone thank you nora also known as how's your phone andrew terrible thanks for asking it was good but

yeah yeah nora is the best she's also got um this show it's going to be okay which is a daily little dose of of letting people know there's good stuff happening out there even though sometimes the larger world as we just talked about when i went down to poker pete's uh even though the larger world can sometimes feel a little less than great uh it's a nice daily reminder there's good stuff going on so head on over to uh wherever you get your podcast to find terrible thanks for asking it's going to be okay and all of the cool stuff that nora is making hang on andrew do you have your uh ritalin lines ready to go I'm doing a ginger shot, baby

You're doing a ginger shot Oh, yeah, they call me the The Riddler Sticking out my gear for my Riddlin Oh, man My jokes land better right after you do a ginger shot How many more of those do you have?

I think I have like two But you know what? I'm going down to the big city today And I'm going to restock

Okay, well, I got about two more jokes left in the show so this will work out well.

Okay, I'll try to... I think, is there like a little drop left in the bubble?

I need something. I need my Andrew funny juice.

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It's not as, like, one or the other, you know, a day or a lifetime. Like, can we just do a month and see how things are going?

Yeah, exactly. Let people go at their own pace. That's what Douglas Prindle is all about. That's right. We also want to thank Zachary Rouse in Jackson Heights, New York City. Thank you, Zach. I think Zachary goes by Zach as well. Thank you, Zachy. Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights, Queens Very, very Spectacularly good Indian food out there That's where you go If you're in New York and you want to get The best Indian food you've ever had in your life Jackson Heights, Queens, the spot Zach knows this though because he lives there Stephen Gardner is in Port Orchard, Washington Not sure what the food scene is But I can tell you that I will be passing Through Port Orchard Probably I don't know what kind of weird windy route I'm going to take to get to my parents' house Sandra, maybe we can talk about that in a minute. I don't know if it's interesting or not, but I actually want to get your advice. Noted holiday traveler that you are. There's nothing that you love more.

Wait, you want to get my advice on how to get to your parents? I don't even know how to get to the 7-Eleven. You're my personal Rudy Maxa. Okay. You're my savvy traveler. Yes, I would love to be your Rudy Maxa.

The savvy traveler and Macklemore wearing other teams' jerseys. Those are the two references that are most hyper-specific to your and my interests.

And Kojo Nnamdi.

Oh, God. How is old Kojo Nnamdi? I don't know.

We haven't dropped a Nnamdi reference in quite some time. Diane Sibbert is in Chehalis, Washington. I know that I will, well, I'll either be driving through or flying over or training by Chehalis, Washington. That's not far from here. Thanks, Diane. My old friend Alex Meyer of Seattle, Washington. Stand-up comedian, entertainer, one-time traffic reporter, and long-time pal of mine, Alex Meyer, supporting the show. Thanks, Alex. Really nice of you, man. And then Michael Havens is in Tumwater, Washington. Ah, home of the K.O.W. Repeater. That's true. Although, I'm going to – I don't want to start a fight here, Andrew, two days before Thanksgiving during this hallowed week. But I must just – when I listen – first of all, I don't listen to KUOW very extensively. But I swear to God, like, I feel like – do they do that whole list at the top of every hour? I must just zone it out when they do it.

I don't know. I mean, there's a long one and a short one, I think. and there's one that includes like there's one that includes translators as well as repeaters you know the one that has all the funky numbers and letters combined but i think that they do the short one which does include tumwater i'm pretty sure do you want me to write to arvid now arvid hasn't heard from me in a while but i think it'd be weird you have a different relationship with arvid he's kind of like a he's a manager there at the station he is somebody who like kind of have he has more power over your life as somebody who makes programming decisions there, and you as somebody who produces and hosts a public radio show called Live Wire. Which he's on the board of. Which he's also on the board of. And he's ironically also bored of it. He's chairman of the board.

No, I saw Smokinson at the show

on Thursday night. Oh, you did. So who does it make sense to write? Do you want me to write to him about this right now? Is Pagano still there? Ooh, Pagano would be a good person. Well, although would he have the answer to it? Yeah, maybe I'll start with Pagano.

Because I note down here near Oregon that, you know, OPB does the full schmear every hour, and it's extensive, and I kind of like it. I kind of sing along, you know. John Day. Like, who knew? They've got a frequency out there in John Day.

Oh, John Day's a place.

I lost you there for a second. Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah, so, anyway, thank you to all of our donors for making TBTL possible. We just would not be able to do this without you. hello and welcome to top story um this is not super interesting but it is actually the thing that's very much on my mind right now andrew which is so i have i'm trying to cover every eventuality for getting up to my parents house on um we'll be i'll be leaving wednesday afternoon and i will either fly out of portland because i have plane tickets but i bought them with miles and they're really, really easy to undo. So this is a little trick if you're an Alaska Airlines person and you have racked up a few miles. I would highly recommend if you're on the fence about an airline ticket with Alaska, just use miles because as long as you're maybe 24 hours ahead or whatever it is, you can just say, no, I don't want that, and then they just refund the miles right back to your account right then.

It's amazing.

So I commonly book. I do the same thing with rental cars because the rules with, unless it's what was the name of the one that you used recently oh i didn't the one that i backed

out of and somehow successfully backed out with all of my money but i got real panicked i can't

remember the name of that company so i can't slander them right now the biggies you know avis and budget and the like or whatever the general policy is you you can make a reservation and you don't have to pay for you don't even have to take the reservation you don't even have to tell them that you're not going to show up for the car now double check this before you do it but it's you know i've rented a lot of cars in my life and and and it's in fact i heard a marketplace story some years ago about how the rental car companies hate this but none of them want to be the first one that doesn't let you just kind of walk out on your reservation because then everyone will just go to the other ones because like why would you know so i i have i've basically made all this i've got a rental so here's what i have right now andrew i have a rental car reserved at SeaTac in case I fly to SeaTac I have the plane tickets I have a rental car reserved at PDX in case my real car is still in the shop and I've also been looking into Amtrak to think about maybe taking Amtrak up and I can't decide what the because if I fly so here's the thing I'm going to be in Portland tomorrow in the morning because we're going to this concert tonight and I'm tempted to just hang out in Portland and then go to PDX jump on an airplane fly to Seattle but then i'm at sea tack and then i either need to rent a car and drive through the absolute belly of the beast which would be south on i-5 from sea tack around tacoma on highway 16 and up to my parents

house but at least you're pretty far south already i mean that's one thing i've sort of learned in heading over to your parents house and that that route like for me it's not like you're coming to north Seattle like where I live like you've you've chunked a big you've chunked a big chunk of the

trip off by being in SeaTac to begin with that is true but there's still the worst chunk left to go which is like everything south of SeaTac you know what I mean it's like it's like you're right it's definitely better than leaving from your house but it's still no picnic so one thing I could also do is fly to Seattle get on the light rail go up to near the ferry terminal and jump in the car with addy and then wait for four hours at the ferry dock and then take a ferry which sounds fun to hang out with my kid but sounds kind of i mean that doesn't sound easier than just driving there like i'm flying and then i'm taking a train and then i'm waiting for a ferry uh you know those ferries are just like on like the day before thanksgiving they're crazy they're like multiple

hour that's what i hear i think somebody was telling me that recently that i mean you know me you we did a whole show about you and i trying to drive to your parents house during rush hour traffic on a friday i believe and uh there was a lot of debate about whether or not we take the ferry and we eventually did but my my anxiety came from not taking the ferry often and also totally like i just sort of feel like once you get into one of those lines you're just you're just um handing over all you're at their mercy you're just handing over all control of your life whereas even like with traffic in a car you can sort of feel like well if need be i can get off at this exit and try to you know hack my way through the woods machete style in in my golf or whatever I don't know there's just something about

Dragging it behind you like Fitzcarraldo What's Fitzcarraldo? Oh that was a movie that Werner Herzog Made with Klaus Kinski where Fitzcarraldo Was this character who Decides he wants to build an opera house In like the rainforest In South America but in Order to get the materials there He needs to have basically the Locals move this huge Steamship over a mountain Like drag it up a mountain and over a mountain and um he becomes as usually happens when klaus kinski's in a movie he becomes deranged anyway that movie's called fitz corolla it's just you this would be you might want to drink some of

your ginger a drink here because i'm going to say i'd be more like fitz corolla

oh i did just residual that's just residual ginger drink making me have that reaction my friend i should be really proud yeah thanks but so anyway i don't know i keep going back and forth I keep imagining a scenario where I'm sitting on Interstate 5 trying to hack my way through the traffic and being, like, really regretful of that as I look up in the sky and see airplanes, you know, soaring over me. But then I'm also thinking, like, I have to go to the airport. I have to go through security. Everything I'm hearing is that today and tomorrow are going to be literally the busiest days at U.S. airports since before the pandemic. so I'm going to have to then navigate that airport at PDX, fly, hope that the flight happens on time, fly to Seattle. It's not a long flight, but then I have to navigate SeaTac. Then I have to take all my stuff and go get on the light rail, and then I have to go to Seattle and then take a boat. That doesn't seem like it's more relaxing than just driving. And then there's the train, but the problem is, you know, I took the train to the baseball game this summer, which ended up being overall a really fun experience, but I also missed the first two innings of the game. because the train was running late, even though I should have been there an hour before the game. So trains are not very reliable either, people have been telling me. The Amtrak, it just tends to run late. So I don't know. What would you do? Well, I'm looking it up here.

By the way, that couldn't have been this year. Are you talking about the year or the game that you were trying to place bets on the plane while it taxied before you got up? No, no, no. That was a couple of years ago, I swear. That was football, too. Oh, no, no, that was baseball. That was baseball, you're right. I think it was – anyway, here I do have your solution. I don't know if you're going to be into it or not, but I am looking right now on Google Maps at something called the Port of Polsbo Marina Moorage Seaplane Base.

Can you get the on a seaplane? I didn't even think of that. Well, you know, actually, there's an airport. You know I'm going to seaplane diet? There's a – I seaplanes and eat them. There's actually an airport Airstrip Like at the end of my parents street This is I'm not going to do this But there was a time in my life Where I just For funsies Toyed with the notion in my mind Of like Learning how to fly I mean I don't think I was ever going to be able To like get my own plane But like If you When we do the Burbank Family Fun Run actually We jog past this Airport Like airstrip Where if I were to have a cessna i could go down to town here where there's a bunch of airstrips and i could fly up to my and literally land like three houses up from my parents house which would be kind of cool

well i'm telling you man if you can get how long does it take to take flying lessons i don't think you can do that this weekend but imagine this you're taking off

Somewhere in, I don't know where a seaplane would take off that is closest to you right now. I don't know if you have to go down to- The mighty Columbia. Yeah, okay.

I see them landing on there.

You know where you're landing once you get out to Polsbo? Liberty Bay. You're landing on Liberty Bay on Thanksgiving morning. Are you shitting me? Could it be more perfect?

And Andrew, you know, you were right near Liberty Bay.

Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at the general area. I'm terrible with geography, and this is a part of the kind of Puget Sound region that I don't know well, But I do, of course, have fond memories of just a few months ago of, you know, hanging out with you and John and your folks out there in the Silverdale slash Polsbo area, the greater Polsbo area.

So it's agreed I'm going to seaplane up there.

I mean, I know that that's not super helpful. I don't know. Like, the thing is, like, whether you take a train or a plane, those land you basically in the same place, right? Like, the train takes you to South Seattle as well. So neither one of those helps you avoid that final bit of traffic. It's really like the fairy. The fairies sound like a goddamn nightmare, but you know I'm predisposed to feel that way anyway. But even you and somebody I was talking to, maybe it was like somebody cutting my hair or something. Somebody recently was just telling me that you just don't even, you don't F with the fairies on a holiday. So I don't know.

If you have a car, if you're walking on, it's fine.

Yeah, I don't know who I was talking to, but that rings a bell because she even said it's not even as bad for me because I'm a walk-on. Anyway, yeah, that's no help. But I would probably, if I were you, avoid the ferry. That's the one piece of advice I'd give.

Well, the good news is we will – the listeners who I know are on the absolute edge of their seats will get a full answer on tomorrow's show because I will have had to have made a decision. I'll either be in Portland, which means I'm probably going to be flying, or I'll be up here, which means I'm going to be driving because I've come all the – basically, I'm like already – I'm a bit north of Portland. I'm on the way to where my parents are. So we'll all find out together tomorrow what I've decided to do. What we're about to find out right now is, Andrew, if you and I, if we talk like boomers or millennials.

Do we have time for this now? Knowing what we got going on, we have some meetings later on today. I'm wondering, I mean, I'm not trying to avoid this, by the way. I just don't want to rush this. I don't know anything about this piece except you've had it on the show sheet recently saying I want to get to this eventually, the boomer or millennial thing. I'm sorry no boomer or oh by the way I let's push it yeah yeah let's push it till tomorrow

because I forgot to tell you that this is also the time of year where we get what I think of as the lowest possible form of um news information yeah which is interviewing the people at triple a about tips for holiday travel yet you really need tips for holiday travel you were but I don't need a tip that's like make check the air pressure in your tires oh or pack your patients I literally heard someone on npr say pack your patience today and i thought hadn't we retired that one yeah like it's this kind of story that that the media loves because it's predictable like it's not breaking news it's not something that catches you by surprise it's like okay holiday travel is always really bad around thanksgiving and so we can kind of get some stuff in the can but there's nothing new under the sun there's nothing to say about it so when they're like we talked to so-and-so at triple a who said make sure you leave yourself enough time to get where you're going uh check your air pressure and make sure that you um you know uh have a print out a map so you know where you're going it's like it's just the least like sort of like it's it's just like it's the thing that we all know to do like make sure you leave yourself enough time to get where you're going and make sure that your air pressure is it's just like what are we doing here why are we still why

are we still going through this dance yeah with the exception of the pandemic years i don't think i've ever heard the headlines be oh it won't be so bad this year right or like i don't know just

wing it what do you got you got that donut you got that 50 mile tire on your car yeah roll the dice give it a shot like that's the guy at triple a that i i mean i wouldn't trust him but it would be entertaining if you just had a real you just you had just somebody that was really shooting from the hip at some guy takes over the triple a spokesperson and they're like you know como or whatever they call como now by the way r.i.p i mean not totally but like whatever that seattle news station is the thing you know am 1000 oh the radio yeah no no they haven't been como in a

minute yeah i know but i still think of them as como what are they called now uh i can never yeah northwest news it's the most forgettable name but yeah no i mean have you been listening lately is

that what you say no i was talking to somebody i was talking to somebody on the inside when i was up in seattle and they were mentioning that that place had gone through a really unfortunately a really big kind of shake-up and kind of got rid of all of their like reporters and stuff so they're

just kind of reading news yes i'm sorry i apologize for being dismissive i thought you were just talking about the name change there you're talking about the major layoffs

I know. That is gutting, man. I'd forgotten about that. That is absolutely gutting.

Who's going to call AAA and ask for the holiday travel tips now? I know. I mean, that's just, that's the world we live in. For people that don't know, every major city has some version of this. It's kind of the all news station. You know, New York, it's 1010 Winds. It's WTOP in DC. And it's just that I find the rhythm of one of those AM all news stations just very comforting. It's just, there's a certain style and there's certain like there's just something to it that is very it's very calming and very nostalgic for me and um you know it's a sad thing to to know that uh you know that that that station is just going to be a shell of itself now like they don't have the local reporters anymore though there will be anchors and those anchors will maybe there's a couple writers left news writers but you know they're they're pretty much just going to be some people in the studio talking into a microphone instead of sending folks out to get tape and do a little bit of actual reporting it's just one more thing i was shocked when i checked into the hotel on thursday i pleasantly shocked this is in seattle i was pleasantly shocked to see the seattle times sitting there a stack of them i was like oh god oh thank god like because i would have i wouldn't have been shocked if you told me the seattle times prints two paper editions a week now or something yeah and yet

not to get too personal here yet after all those like people lost their jobs somehow it is nasty

out there hangs on it sure is i actually heard from somebody in the in the know that that the the guy behind that audio drop is literally going around still to this day what are we talking 15 years later decrying the name of tbtl for having ruined having ruined things for that person at cairo because we would never let them on the air when they wanted to talk about some bullshit dumpster fire oh my god yes i was this was all i was chatting on thursday night with a close friend of ours and and and he was telling me about the you know the the staffing stuff and then said yeah you know it's there are still some people that have you know managed to kind of ride that wave and i was joking around and he was he was telling me how like that person is still still uh you know kind of like still talking about like tbtl but not in terms of like wasn't that a fun wild thing that happened but more like those jerks which i um you know i don't like to i don't i don't generally try to engage in big doggery anymore but i will say this and this is this is the most conceited thing that i'll probably ever say in my life so if you all want to hit record on whatever device you're using so you want to play this later for me and and and and make fun of me for being so kind of high on my own supply. But I will tell you, Andrew, very honestly, that having stepped off stage at Town Hall after having a really fun show and seeing a bunch of people I love and having a really great audience and putting together a national radio show that will play in many places, the idea that there's a person sitting in a tiny airless room at Seattle news network saying the tbtl idea was a bad one i felt like i i i feel i feel like i kind of won this round and that's not you know how we should look at these things but i will be totally on now if i would have heard that in a different moment if i would have heard that while i'm sitting at the mandarin gate and maybe i've just turned in a very lackluster karaoke performance or whatever or i'm at goldie's and i'm losing it high card flush like there's a lot of moments where i might have taken that as been kind of like oh that's a barb or like you know i'm i would have been mad it felt to me like a hammer and a nail don't have a rivalry you know and it's the only time you'll ever hear me describe myself as a hammer but like to to that person and the people who generally thought like oh tbtl this is shitty i'm like yeah but we're doing it 4080 episodes later so there

must have been something going on that was okay here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's not from a female andrew can you make this fast because i

have to write a haiku you certainly do i got my poem ready and my thanksgiving poem for the video

you're just giving it all away i was trying to be i was trying to be vague and flirty about a certain

video project we're going to be working on today yeah we'll keep your eye on the emails folks you'll be getting a little little message from some of your some of your closest friends at tbtl uh hopefully soon uh meantime though i have a quick voicemail for you here luke from a listener who wanted to clear some things up now truth be told i think we did end up kind of getting to a point Truth be told That's not good Carol hold my calls Of truth be told Can we do A TBTL segment In the style Of like That kind of radio You were just talking about

out, where it's just kind of like the Andrew Walsh segment, Truth Be Told.

Oh my God, that would be so great.

That is such a good commercial radio talk.

Eight minutes past the hour, weather coming up in four minutes, weather on the fours. First, though, have you noticed that new stretch of sidewalk in Ballard connecting those two areas? Well, not everyone is happy about it. Andrew Walsh is here with Truth Be Told. Yes. Thank you, Luke.

Truth Be Told, we did clear up what this listener. uh is about to clear up for us but uh i like the way this listener clears it up and this of course

involves skibity's hi it's your gen alpha leader langley and i came to tell you i was talking to my dad about the the like sticking out his yacht that i wear his voice on don't say that langley and he said that you guys don't know what skibity means and skibity is a skibity toilet and it's short for Skibbity Toilet and Skibbity Toilet is a man who got trapped in the toilet and there's a song for it. It's like Skibbity, duck, duck, duck, duck, yes, yes, yes, yes and the guys in my math class are obsessed with that song. That's what Skibbity Toilet is. There's a whole video for it too. Bye.

Kids and fantasy. That's what Skibbity

Toilet is. Everything Langley said is correct there and in fact the Skibbity song is, it's not exactly Scatman but it's like two neighborhoods over mm-hmm it's kind of you know and and yet Langley can you now figure out wait do I really want to give one of our young listeners this kind of marching orders but you know Andrew there was some it was unclear if the if the sticking out your jet for the Rizzler what the real meaning behind that was there was the meaning that the New York Times put forward but then you were saying you had a really hard time finding a second source on that did you

And it sounded like you did a little poking around as well. Like, right, when you type in giat, either spelling, the original or the alternate spelling, I could not find any confirmation that it refers to one's derriere.

Right. But Langley is, you know, much like me at Poker Pete's, Langley is doing on-the-ground shoe-leather journalism here, talking about skibbity with the boys in her math class. Could she also find out what their take on giat is? But also, do I want to have a child investigating the nature of that word in case it is the

derriere and if anybody does take this up whether it's laying there or anybody else please do not or puddle or puddle do not lead the witness do not say do you think it means what we think it means just say what does giat mean and see what see what we come back with i worry everybody of

all ages just ask over thanksgiving will everyone please right after the prayer just open it up to the table and ask what everyone's take on giat is i feel like this is such a good way to avoid

some of the tensions of family chitchat as big families get together and maybe you see the world in different ways and people try to avoid sort of conversational landmines. If everybody's just focusing on skibbity-giyots, I think that would be good. And the Rizzler.

Taking out your giot for the Rizzler. You're so skibbity. You're so phantom tax. I just want to Be your Sigma, freaking come here, give me your Ohio.

That might be the thing I'm most thankful for this year, Andrew.

You and all the listeners. That piece of tape. Yes.

All right, well, we probably should wrap things up today because, yeah, we do have, we got lots to do as we get ever closer to the little Thursday, Friday holiday. But guess what, everyone? We will have another edition of TBTL coming your way tomorrow. So please do join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Power out.