Muse

That's your spot. Do not move from it, okay? But also don't be rigid, okay? Try to be natural. And speak to me, you know, conversational every day, like a friend. But there's fear here. There's emotion. You're searching for a hero, you know. Will no one save you? But don't hit it too hard. Just throw it away. But with feeling, okay? All right. Oh, there's cue cards if you need them. But don't look at them. Look at me, okay? But, you know, they're there. So roll sound. Rolling. Camera. Spitting. And action. T-B-T-L. Guess what day it is. Guess what day it is.

It's Friday, Friday. Gonna get down on Friday. everybody's looking forward to the weekend what is this guy trying to do is

this supposed to be with bozo's thinking or saying what guy is bozo bozo did it

bozo did what bozo did the dog I just wanted to call and tell you guys that while teaching a zoom class today I grabbed one of the dead bats I was using as a specimen example and put it on my desk on top of my teepee tail sound machine, which proceeded to play Don't Miss the Sausage Fest about 50 times in a row. I tried to talk really loudly over it, but there's no way that a bunch of middle schoolers missed something saying the word sausage. Anyway, that's my life now.

Put my headphones on, and here we go. I'm so excited. All right. Hello. Good morning. And welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It tastes like soot and hot water. I'm hooked. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Coming to you from the beautiful south waterfront of Portland, Oregon, where it... Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful. Well, despite the fact that we are alternating between different atmospheric river events down here in Portland, the in-between times, the refractory periods like we're having right now are just absolutely beautiful. Sun is shining on the buildings. It's nice, although right behind it is a dark black cloud that is going to bring more rain. But let's just all enjoy this moment together here as we arrive at episode 4088 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Another fun thing about being down here in the South Waterfront is that I'm getting to spend the time, while trying to co-host this show, also trying to probably swat at Bubbles, the Bengal kitten, who is...

A cat is an angel that poops in a box.

Currently in her least appreciated position when it comes to Becca's preferences. She is on top of... Well, we do have a show pick for today, so I guess that's... Bex, can you photo document that, please? where the cat is she is like on the tippy top of the kitchen cabinets walking doing like a baby elephant walk amidst like 35 vases and other things that are very breakable so we'll see if we can get through this episode without any sound intrusion from that speaking of sound intrusion we didn't get to this yesterday but um the doritos people say they've made a special A.I. sort of powered app that will make it so if you're playing a game, a video game, and you're using your little VR headset, not a VR headset, but whatever they call those headsets, and you're eating something noisy, everyone else doesn't have to hear that. I want to find out if it actually works. I'm reading, believe it or not, some positive reviews, so we will talk about that. And if we have time, we'll talk about a new story in the New York Times that science says that I heard the jury's still out on science. Penguins nap thousands of times a day. Wow. We're just blowing through nap time, aren't we? And it explains a lot about my family structure with my daughter. I'm laughing because the cat has now moved from her incredibly dangerous position amidst all of the vases To somehow being on top of the hood vent of the stove If she's the Alex Honnold of cats She's free soloing this thing I don't know how she got on it I don't know how she's staying on it There is a lot of questions that Still unanswered. Maybe this guy knows the answers. He's the longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Also known as the Miami Meat Tent. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. I'm sorry I sound so distracted. It's just there's a whole friggin' circus going on here right now.

It's okay. I'm distracted too, Luke. I told you before the show that something is blowing my mind, and that is such a bad way to set this up, because what I'm about to do is take you to Tedious Town. This is a town I'm very familiar with, and unfortunately, you've ridden with me there many times before. Don't worry about the music going away. There's a reason for that. I was running some errands yesterday, Luke, and after – do you know that I went to the bank, two different banks, two days in a row? I'm really – I think I'm going back in time, but I had to stop at the bank yesterday to deposit some things and –

Did you go to the same – I think you called it yesterday essentially a phone booth of a Bank of America? Right.

No, no. This is a different bank. I had to go to BECU, which I need to stop myself here from really laying into the radio commercials for BECU and why I hate them so much. Well, it's a local credit union. It used to stand for Boeing Employees Credit Union. If you're not from around here, they have this commercial campaign now where they say, what does BECU stand for? And they come up with a bunch of bullshit that doesn't even begin with BECU. They just start like reading a press release. It means family. It means trust. It means this. I'm just like, no, it means Boeing Employees Credit Union. I told you I wasn't going to get into that, but here I am. Anyway, so I'm sitting in the parking lot of BECU, Boeing Employees Credit Union.

That's always meant family to me.

That's what the E stands for, family. Anyway, so I had just deposited some checks, and then I get out to my car, and I open up my phone to send a receipt to somebody. And I see that I have a message from a listener, actually a couple of messages from a couple of listeners. The show has only been posted for like less than an hour. This is yesterday's TBTL. It's only been up there for about, I don't know, maybe 60 minutes tops at this point. And I'm getting messages that my voice cuts out at some point, like about five minutes into the show.

I meant to tell you about that, but I assumed that it was only me hearing it and that you were recording on your side.

I was going to ask you about that because, oh, my God, that just makes this even more interesting to me and even less interesting to everybody else. It's fixed now, so if you're somebody who didn't hear the show yesterday or your app didn't automatically download it, there's probably two different versions of the show out yesterday. Yesterday's show out there right now, the fixed version for some people, and for people whose phones downloaded it quickly, you probably still have the old janky version where you hear this. I told you before the show that I had a little story for you. I'm hesitant or I'm struggling with how to begin. that that's important and internet talk on the show lately um but i do so that feels like a lifetime of my mic going out but it's probably about five seconds i think but you hear a digital crack in the middle of that as well but there's something very specifically interesting about that luke do you know what is specifically interesting about that malfunction

well what i can say is usually a 99.9 percent of the time when we have a dropout of that nature we cannot just continue on with the program we have to as we say stop down because the whole system kind of goes off the rails what what i noted about that was you went away but you came back online and it was quick enough that i could from context figure out more or less what you had been saying and I just figured why stop the show as we say stop the show because you're probably recording yourself there in full fidelity and I'm the only one who had that experience but that's unusual because usually like I said it's a more catastrophic situation than that

there's also one other thing that's unusual about this I'm going to play the beginning of it for you one more time or just like kind of listen just take the pause where my mic goes away probably thankfully to a lot of people just think about what else is different about the experience of me going away here I told you before the show that I had a little story for you I'm hesitant or I'm struggling with how to begin you hear it did you mute your microphone no the music is still there if you and I had a dropout or if I was recording the show what was he talking about why does he always apologize well that's why i asked if you muted

your microphone because that would explain lack of your voice but continuation of the music

but okay here's the deal here's the deal here's the deal This guy's always got the good stuff. Um, so...

So the thing is, I really need to be disciplined to not get into the weeds of my technology. But what you're hearing there is what I was recording on my computer. That's where the main recording happens every day. But I've got a setup here where I've got an audio board. All of my stuff, every sound you hear from my studio goes into my audio board, and then it comes out of the audio board in three different places. Picture three tubes of audio coming out of the board, three hoses. Just picture three hoses. Yes, audio hoses. Audio hoses. I got audio hoses in different area codes. Can you write that down as a show title? Yes. When I text you later and say, you had a good show title at the beginning of the show today. What was it? I need you to recreate that. So just imagine there are kind of three audio hoses coming out of my computer. One of them goes down the line to you. One of them comes into my main computer here for the main recording. and one of them goes into a little field recorder whose job it is just to sit here and record the entire show. They should all be basically hearing the same thing. This, Luke, is the recording on the backup recorder. I'm struggling with how to begin this because I feel like there's been a lot of, as I said before the show, old man yells at phone tree and internet talk on the show lately. But I do believe this story has a little bit of a twist to it And not a – so out of three different versions of the show, one of which I'm –

Wow, so that's the Zapruder film. A better example, sorry, would be – Yeah, it's more like you got the Nixon tapes minus the whatever 15 minutes of silence. What you have there, my friend, is the full record. Hey, listen, Henry Kissinger died this week. I feel like it's – I think that really moved the Nixon conversation back to the top.

I wasn't joking. Yeah, it's like very, very timely. I don't have to get into more detail than this. All I can tell you is, and I've been thinking about this for about, well, a little bit less than 24 hours now. There is no logical explanation for how that could have happened to just, well, I guess one of the recordings and the feed. it should have if something like that was going to happen it should have cut me out completely including the music like I can't recreate what you just heard if I tried to and I'm not going to do it now because it's just too complicated with all the different things going on here but if I tried to take my voice out but the music kept going you would hear me my voice sort of like fade out I'd have to turn down a knob there is not a switch that just clicks off my voice without the music you know it's all baked in by the time the recording's hearing it by the time you're hearing it that's all baked in it's a combination of my voice and the music it should be all or nothing it makes no sense at all that the music kept going and my voice went away and you hear a digital crackle in the middle of it no sense whatsoever because those things are

connected they are inextricably linked or they should be there is no way to separate them out except for andrew the possibility of a higher power that's that's that's at this point all i can think of that's all i've got and it it's it's interesting because what we're discussing here i think is the stakes are almost as high as what chris hayes was discussing on his why is this happening podcast this week where he was talking to a a scientist about the fact that what we think we know about the uh rate that the universe is expanding which is you know there's a lot uh riding on that in terms of how we think the universe started, or at least after the first one hundredth of a second, why things happen the way they happened. But now that we have better measurement tools, we're able to look at the young part of the universe and the rate of expansion that we can tell in the young part of the universe does not line up with what we think the rate of expansion is now. In other words, there's no explaining it. And I would put this bit of audio almost on the same level in terms of scientifically significant things that we currently can't really

explain first of all i've been saying this for a long time i think the universe is getting a little bit too big for its britches i don't know if it's a hot take or if everybody is basically there with me these days but stop expanding you're the universe you did it i think it's more can you

let these pants out universe theory is there any more did i tell you about the time i went into a uh the the tailor that i actually used a surprisingly often um in the where the part of portland i was living in like i went to this place probably every few weeks for one thing or another and uh i brought a suit in that i wanted to wear and the guy was very nice but he's he i wanted him to let out the pants on the suit i wanted to give me a little more room lyndon johnson style remember that tape i do and he he looked the pants over and he had to tell me very diplomatically sir these there is no more there are no more there is no more pant to let out sir No more. give alas burbixander wept for there were no more there were no more inches to let out of these pants no i didn't but that's that's the that's the theory of the universe that you subscribe to which is um that it's getting kind of big for its britches and we might need to uh rethink things anyway um what do you think are we is anything going to change about the tbtl audio chain or are we just going to chalk this up to there are some things that even the greatest scientific minds of

our of our world we'll never know um well one thing we should note is my backup recording for today just went dead on me because my card is full so now this is our only recording it would

be very unfortunate i should probably start recording here too i guess for doing that

really should remind me at the break that i really need to save this i'm sweating bullets over here now and i'm not joking my question for you is and i have this thought yesterday for some reason and it wasn't related to these audio issues but um should we make a t-shirt for the tbtl merch store

that says and you don't believe in a god wow that's a you've asked to as far as melon scratchers

go that's a real honey doodle can god make a merch store so big that even he can't buy everything out

of it well i see so on the um on the we should make it as a t-shirt i like that it's that's i feel like that's our intellectual property like that's been said before but we've made it into a thing on this show so i like it on that on that measurement and i like it that the listeners would get the joke because i'll say that to you sort of often usually about things with very low stakes what i don't love about making that t-shirt is the number of conversations that it is going to generate with strangers in line waiting for your table at dinner etc when you're wearing a shirt that says and you don't believe in a god i mean that is a real that is going to make for some really intense elevator rides you'll either get the person who is deeply offended by the shirt or the person who has been waiting all day to talk to someone wearing that shirt i don't i don't know

if either conversation sounds particularly pleasant no it doesn't i think that that is that that is the hang up with that shirt i do like because i don't even think of that as like a phrase or an idiom outside of you saying that to me and again it would be this has been a long-running joke that I think maybe used to come up a lot more in the show, but it would be like some silly coincidence, right? You'd be listening to Jeff Tweedy and you'd look out the window and you'd see like Tweedy roof repair or something and you'd say you don't believe in a God. But yeah, on its own, that T-shirt, all it does is invite just conversations you don't want to have.

Right. In either direction. I mean, again, people have their whatever their faith practices and some people are very, you know, there are certain versions of particularly Christianity where there's a big impetus on proselytizing. I grew up in that exact faith tradition, you could say. So maybe there are some people that would just love to work. But my guess would be if you're a person who is really looking to, as we would say, spread the gospel or spread the good word or the good news, you've already got a few T-shirts that are raising this whole conversation. Right. And you don't need us weighing in on it. You've got something that says, you know, that's provoking the conversation. I don't know why, Andrew, when we're hanging by a digital thread here with our recording and we need to go to break so that we can make sure that everything is okay.

Preserve this art that we've created so far.

Which, by the way, the listeners will be amazed to know this is our second try at doing this. Oh, yeah. I already messed up the first recording by having my mic muted. This is the good one. This is when we already got the bugs out of the system and this is where we've landed. But the thing I was going to say is on the subject of, like, aggressive proselytizing, and I wouldn't imagine anyone who listens to our show would be a person who thinks that this stuff is in any way a good way to be in the world or a good way to communicate your message. But I'm thinking of when you go to the Mariners games now and you got those guys with the megaphones and the signs and the T-shirts and the just ridiculous. I mean, I personally think you could accurately describe it as hate speech, what's being said there. It's not about adopt a religious worldview I have. It's about saying you're scum and you are going to eternally suffer because you don't share my belief system. But like, do you think that those dudes have ever converted one person during a major league regular season, which would be 81 games? what is the success rate of that move standing outside of um what do we call it now t-mobile park yelling invective and threats into those little mounted megaphones has anyone walked over and been like i would like to purchase sir what you are selling this is actually it's funny because

i hadn't even thought about it like that before because when i'm walking you know waiting in line to get into the park or whatever and they're saying you're going to suffer

for for eternity i assume that was just the mariners organization warning me well two of them actually are jerry depoto you gotta separate that stuff out um no i have the same thoughts like what what good does that do is there any person who's like oh what are you selling here it's like oh well thanks for asking here's this like i don't know i you know i don't know what goes on in their organizations that compels them to do that but it doesn't seem like it's It's conversion so much as warning.

I guess maybe that's it. Maybe the goal going in is not to convert people. They know that this is not a... They're not selling the message really in a good way here, but maybe they think, well, this sets somebody up to at least ruminate on this. I think that's giving these guys a lot of credit. I think honestly what's happening is somebody that's experiencing a mental disturbance and the way that it's manifesting in them is a completely fantastic view of the planet we live on and somehow the acting out of this like verbally assaulting a bunch of people just trying to go in and have their baseball sensibilities assaulted is it does something in that person's brain that quiets whatever is disquieting them for at least the moment.

Although they're probably linked to an organization of some sort though, right? They're not totally just little.

Because they've all got the same sandwich boards on. Someone's making those somewhere.

Somebody is supplying the bullhorns. Somebody is providing the talking points. But I also do believe that, yeah, you're not, well, whatever. I don't have to go further than we have already gone with this. But, yeah, it is upsetting, and you cannot escape it. It is very, very loud, and, you know, it's free speech. But it is very upsetting.

Yeah. So I guess we're a no on the T-shirts. Is that where we've landed on this?

I've decided to go more aggressive with the T-shirts.

could we make t-shirts that said 10 or burn

we should really go to that break

hey let's thank some of our donors of the day these are the wonderful generous supporters of the program they're donating money it's how this could be a job for the three of us me andrew and our vp of operations and finance one john sklaroff um by the way andrew saw some tens uh last night at uh the research center for the arts in beaverton oregon which was really fun can i do something real quickly on that uh that i meant to do at the top of the show and i forgot Can I just, I'd like to play this cat sound effect five times because I ran into longtime friend and supporter of the show, Lynn, fam, and Lynn's mom, who I love. And she mentioned to me that she enjoys this cat sound effect. And I think, I don't know, I just wanted to impress her. I said, I'll play it for you five times tomorrow. She didn't ask me to do it. I just threw it out there. But now I feel like promises made, promises kept. So let's just do this.

Do you want the music gone for this in the clear?

No, that's fine. Let me get through this. Meow. How many is that? Meow. Four.

Meow.

Okay, there you go, Linz, Mom. There's a five. Actually, that's a minus, so now I'm going to do one more.

No, we're giving this film five cat meows and a turkey gobble.

You promised Dusty Snyder of Campbellsville, Kentucky that you'd do a turkey gobble. That's what's going on there. Thanks, Dusty. Appreciate you. Thanks also to Christopher Hamlin Who's in Wait for it

One of the more

Discussed cities I would say relative to its size Maybe the most talked about city For its size On this pound for pound The most discussed city The most talked about city on this show Andrew Worcester, Massachusetts

Looks like a Worchester But it's a Worcester

Now, I'm wondering if Christopher is I think we may have a few folks out there in Worcester Because I'm wondering if Christopher's support in years past Was what kicked off the whole Worcester running joke Now that, hey, that could be a t-shirt I don't know how we play into that But you know, one of the things that people like to do is You know, say that they're from Cleveland And then parenthetically pronounced Worcester Yeah That's a fun joke

It is a fun joke I've seen it kicking around the internet. I don't feel like it's just the domain of TBTL, but the Bay City is, I feel like.

You think that there are other people... Okay, well, I actually like that, because I get a little extra money off of Bay City since it was my creation, and if you look at the TBTL contracts, you'll see that I retain the Mr. Banana Grabber character and the Bay City references.

I should have kept Mr. Banana Grabber rights.

But... Okay, well, anyway, we're just thinking out loud here, which is one of the things that Toby McPhail of Denver, Colorado, loves about the show.

Denver, the Bay City, I believe, right?

That's exactly right. Home of Basifer. Giant, terrifying horse. Home of a very successful football team. Who'd a thunk?

I know. I don't feel bad about that.

I don't either at all. I don't have any problem. Well, first of all, we love our Denver listeners. We had such a fun time there. a couple of years ago and also i mean that whatever our you know as a city our disappointment about losing russell wilson was i think everyone involved has now been uh everyone's gotten whatever possible karma was coming to them and i just if russell wilson is mr unlimited is able to actually have a good season and the fine folks of denver can enjoy their football team i think

that's a win all the way around and if you can beat the browns i'm rooting for you you guys pulled it out i have to go back and admit something luke i'm very embarrassed right now because i did that thing that i do probably the the quality of myself that i hate the most is when i laugh at something not on a friday andrew of all the days let me just get this off my chest i laughed really hard when you said basifer and then it occurred to me i don't get it why is it basic lucifer i know

blucifer but why base you said that denver was the bay city oh so then i was trying to extend the bay city okay gotcha yes but see as as i've explained to so many people over the years you know a joke is good when it needs a lot of follow-up explaining i also just didn't have to

laugh i don't have to laugh at jokes i don't get oh no i don't know if you've checked the tbtl

contract john where's my contract there's the banana grabber stuff there's the bay city thing

and then there's the mandatory laughter anyway well thank you for explaining that i was feeling

a little bashful. No, but you know what? Honestly, I think it's liberating to, I'm not being sarcastic right now. I think, and this is something that versions of this have come up on the program before, which is when any of us kind of miss something in conversation, whether it's a fact that we weren't aware of or a sort of reference, we can either just kind of let it go past and then just really hope to God that it doesn't get raised again, or we're not called upon to elaborate on it, Or we can just kind of say, oh, I'm not familiar with that. And certainly on Livewire, I've been trying to not pretend that I know about something if I don't. Like if the guest references something, I'll try to say, oh, can you kind of elaborate? Or, oh, I'm not familiar with that. Because I found myself in some pretty rough, conversational, dark alleys. Because you didn't stop early enough? I didn't stop it. No, I played along, and then later there's a reference where me having any knowledge of the thing I pretended to know about would be helpful. And, you know, that's the third rail of talk show hosting, and I've gotten dangerously close to it a couple of times. So I'm glad that you were just like, can we get some clarification on what Basifer was?

Right. Genevieve had a friend. Genevieve has had many friends, I should say. But Genevieve had a friend who I just have so much respect for. Her name's Yelena. And one of the things I always liked about her was she would never be shy to say, I don't know, oh, what do you mean? I don't understand that. Whether it's a reference or whatever. Because Genevieve's friends are, like, she went to Wellesley, and a bunch of her friends that I met were Wellesley women and very, very smart people. And, you know, I'm just some hick from Ohio. I feel intimidated by these folks.

Who's in the Kent State Broadcasting Hall of Fame.

Right, because somebody put a post-it note up next to the men's room once that had my initials on it.

I would kill for a post-it note at the UW.

But anyway, but I, you know, Genevieve's friends were all very brilliant people, but brilliant in different ways. And Yelena wasn't like maybe didn't have the same kind of background or whatever, the same kind of smarts that a lot of the other women did. And so I always liked it. She would just kind of speak up and be like, well, what does that mean? And I always tried to emulate that. I always thought about her.

Yeah, I think it's a good way to go through the world. It really is. You're just, you know, and I think much more damage comes from any of us feeling insecure in situations and trying to sort of it's it's funny because and this is exactly the kind of conversation that janice langsdorff of new york city um comes to tbtl for this kind of introspection on my part it's also something patrinka seland of portland oregon do you know anyone named patrinka becks okay she's not in this neighborhood because becca would know her but there's somebody named patrinka seland who's here in portland and they're supporting the show thank you uh and then And Melissa Schwartow is in Seattle, Washington. I don't know. Do you know Melissa?

No, thanks for asking. But no, I don't think we've met.

Well, thank you to all of these donors. The thing I was going to say is definitely in my young life, I was a very embarrassed kid and was just embarrassed by. you know, my big family that would, you know, hold hands and pray before we ate if we were at the Burger Master at Northgate Mall, and my lack of fashionable clothing, my, you know, just everything about me made me feel kind of self-conscious when I was young, and I always just wanted to be a more quote-unquote normal kid whose parents were more sort of middle class and who didn't go to this weird church and try to do healings and didn't, you know like didn't have to lie and say his clothes were from lamont's when they were actually from the value village on lake city way and the irony is all of that is now what makes me to some degree moderately entertaining everything that i was embarrassed about about my life uh is now the the stuff that i on a daily basis bore the listeners of this show livewire and becca with And so I guess my point is just that we can go through life trying to kind of get away from the things about us that are different or areas of expertise we may or may not have or experiences we may have not had. Or we can be like, is it Yelena you said? Yeah. You can be like Yelena and just be like, oh, I'm not familiar with that. And by the way, watch everyone at the party get more interested in you. Think about the person who's going who knows everything. And then the person who's actually asking interesting questions. I promise you that, you know, that person who's asking questions is going to is going to not show themselves to be foolish at all. But in fact, somebody who's kind of interested in life.

Yeah. And the stuff you say about childhood, too, it's like this is the this is the real conundrum of life is you just I mean, I don't know. I'm not a parent and probably for the better. I am not somebody who's giving a lot of life advice to children or young people. They told me to stop doing that at the library.

I do feel like we are kind of raising Langley and Puddle kind of via this podcast now.

That is true. Sorry, Mike. they're ours now um i was gonna say uh it's just no matter how much we as people who've lived for several decades or more than that can try to explain that to somebody who doesn't who has only lived for 10 or 11 years because you can tell them a million times as an adult that like you're gonna have a different perspective on this once you get older and you're gonna understand you know you might even appreciate some of these things that seem tough right now because they're actually gonna make you more I don't know interesting or or part of who you are or you know I hate to say build character because it sounds so I just it sounds corny but um but it's just like impossible I would assume or very very difficult to try to convince somebody that who's a young person who's in the throes of going through something that's really really tough you know like there's just I mean maybe for me and you know like obviously growing up I was not a popular kid i took my lumps and everything and then what did i do i parlayed that into a career and having a podcast where i get people to feel sorry for me for being bullied but like i'm not saying that i would wish that bullying on other kids or that in the long run it was good for me but it really makes me appreciate adulthood like i think about it all the time how much i appreciate where i am right now that i'm not that i'm not caught between peers and uh people who or my superiors in some way whether it's parental units or or uh or um you know like teachers or what have you and it's like and so because again i'm not saying oh i'm really glad that i was bullied a lot as a kid but there's just if i was able to go back and tell that kid like honestly this is going to make you appreciate your adulthood so much more like you're going to be yeah having you're going to have a friend named dartbot and you guys are going to play darts every night like you know i don't know it is it's part of who i am but like there's no way you can tell a kid that when they just feel like i'm getting it from all sides and there's no escape from these realities of youth yeah you're gonna have a friend who's never gonna leave you

and that friend is dartbot hello and welcome to top story okay um i can already feel i can already feel this doritos story Fading into the background of our minds And that's probably just fine Let's do this Three minutes on the Doritos story You tell me why we can't do it And then I want to tell you about my experience Of trying to monitor the football game last night

I do want to hear about this football game thing But I think I might surprise you with this Doritos thing I have been brainstorming this for three days now And I think I have an idea

Oh my goodness Okay, well this is not where I Hold on, I have actually a sound effect for this I can still surprise him You sure can I saw this, you know, headline from actually, I think it was like some website. the uk that said like you know doritos are introducing the whatever company makes doritos they're introducing this piece of software i guess that is supposed to kind of like in the way that a noise canceling headphone would would cancel out certain noise it's supposed to cancel out the sound of someone uh eating chips again they would recommend doritos eating chips uh while gaming with one of those headsets on because that gets in everybody else's ear because everyone's talking to each other during some of these games i immediately thought well this is just absolute bull roar because the thing i always say about noise canceling stuff on the show is noise canceling works really well for like the drone of an airplane a very kind of like um predictable and sustained sound that makes a certain kind of sound wave and then what the noise canceling headphones do is they create the opposite uh form of that sound wave and then those two things together some out they basically erase each other but if it's a chip if it's something that's really dynamic it's it seems to me like as far as i understand the technology it's really hard to make something actually cancel out uh you know a sound that you can't predict and that might only happen for half a second you know and it might sound different every time apparently they're using ai i don't know i feel like everyone now just likes to trot out ai as a thing supposedly they had a bunch of people eat a bunch of different Doritos and the AI was learning what the sounds were or something. I did see one review where some guy said he used it and it kind of did work. But then I watched the video and it just looked like they just muted everything. So I don't know. What I was thinking when I read this was it might be fun to try to do an experiment with it. But then I realized it only is works with Windows, which I don't have. And so I was under the impression that it would not work because of something technical on your side.

Okay, so here's the deal. It turns out I might have a lot to say about this. Carol, uh-oh, my calls. Generally speaking, that idea of noise cancellation, traditionally I agree with you and have agreed with you, although I do believe it has gotten more sophisticated. And while I also agree that people are calling almost everything that is computer-generated these days AI, I actually think that AI would play a part in this potentially. I'm not an expert on these things, but I don't find that shocking. While I do think that, like, suddenly, like, I know one of our listeners was commenting on something, too, that, like, suddenly AI reared its head. Now everything is AI. Anything that's computer related is AI. And I do think that maybe there's a little bit of overuse of that. In this case, I could sort of see an argument for that, although I'm not the person to make the argument. And I want to tell you in a moment how I think if you want to test this on our show, I think I figured out a way to do it. I will get to that in a moment but I do want to talk about this AI thing for a second because I'm not somebody who has messed around with a lot of these like whether they're the chatbots or what have you I played around a little bit for some newsletter things when there was that maybe about a year year and a half ago there was some AI program where you could just feed it prompts like Garfield on the moon eating pizza and then it would kind of you know generate these often grotesque images you remember that right you would see them around on social media and so you know I played around with that for a little bit but I again not not sophisticated and not in any way I've never used AI as a tool for anything other than hey I want to play with AI you know

what I mean like not right exactly solve something it's not like hey write the newsletter like legitimately write the newsletter it's more like either you want to mess with AI or you were doing

it kind of as a bit right right but now I want to tell you about something I've been playing with And I have been trying to figure out how I can talk about this on the show without making it deathly boring. If you liked audio glitch talk at the top of the show, you're going to love this. Let me see if I can explain this in the program Photoshop, which most people know how that works. I use Photoshop usually for pretty basic functions. Right. You have a photo. Maybe I need to take a rectangle, a rectangular photo and turn it into a square for the Web site, something like that.

um you're so lucky i don't have my rectangular song here at the ready you really teed me up for

that i forgot about that at first i thought you were joking as if you had a different system rectangles no i had i was obsessed for a while you actually do i recall that now okay so most people can sort of picture that process right let's say you have a long um sort of like landscape style photo and you want to turn that into a square well what do you do you crop it you draw perfect square using the tool and then you hit return and it chops off the edges of that right now what if you wanted to do the opposite what if you had a square photo and you wanted to turn it into something that was more landscape well you could turn it into a you could take that square and turn it into a rectangle but there's not going to be any content on the left or the right it's just going to be white bars or black bars or whatever because you can't you can't create more Of a photo you can only chop away Or can you

In the same way you couldn't, like, you know, take a physical photo and take scissors and cut the edges off and then suddenly – but then stretch it out. Well, Photoshop has released an update in the past couple of months where they now do have a feature that is AI-powered where it will sort of read what is the contents of your photo. And if you want to take this thing that is a square and stretch it out on the left and the right and turn it into a rectangle, it will say, well, I see that, you know, you kind of got this pattern going over here and some blue sky over here yep the ai will figure it out and you can just sort of stretch that photo out and it does a pretty good job especially on more simplistic types of things um and i have a photo that i took in la years and years ago and it's cropped as a square and it's nothing but a orange and yellow and white drugstore sign on a blue sky background it's very simple and there are some um electrical wires kind of going through the photo not tons of them just a couple it's a very minimalist sort of photo that thing is a square and I wanted to experiment what would happen if I turned it into a rectangle so I do this function where I turn into a rectangle I pull out the sides essentially the computer thinks about it a little bit and it's like okay well you got some electrical wires here you got some electrical wires there it's mostly blue sky very simple task I hit go boom it does it it stretches those wires out a little bit it's turned my square into a rectangle well that was like the easiest task i could possibly give it but then i say what if i keep going what if i make it a little bit bigger now what if i make it a little bit bigger now what if i make it a little bit bigger now and so the ai keeps reading its own ai and i now have a folder of images of this sign that i've just kept on expanding out expanding out and the ai is creating entire scenes around this sign i have one now that it's created mountains in the background and bushes in front of the signs like it the the ai is actually working if you just and then you if you start over from the beginning and start pulling out pulling out pulling out again it'll create an entire different scenario i have one that looks like it's like a a some sort of a desert scape on the moon with my sign in the middle of it i've got another one that is in the like i say in the wilderness in the mountains and that it is blowing my goddamn mind did any of that make sense yes my

question to you is how much direction did you give the ai none when you said build in the kind of so it just it it basically freelanced with the bushes and the other things it's somehow now here's the

deal i think that if i were to just take this little picture of a sign with mostly a blue background and a couple of wires if i were in one fell swoop to try to make that a really big Just expand it all the way right at once. I think it would mostly just create more blue sky and wires. But because I was doing it bit by bit by bit, it kept reading a little bit more. It sort of analyzes what's at the edges of your photo. And it says, OK, I'm going to extend that out. So it might have created a tiny bit of a speck of something that could be in one of them. I think it did create an oil rig or something because it picked up a little bit of it started to draw in one of these processes a little bit more wiring. And then when I expanded it again, it saw that wiring and said, oh, there must be a power station down here or something along those lines. And then once it starts to recognize a power station that it created, the next time I expand it more, it draws in more of the details of this power station or you see more of it. It is totally bonkers. I honestly want to make an art project out of it, except I think enough people are making projects out of AI these days.

What if it actually just started showing you the 1980s band, the power station that Robert Plant was in?

I believe eventually it will. I truly do.

She wants to multiply. Are you going to do it? Oh, pretty good. I think that's the power station. So does that mean we are or are not going to, am I or am I not going to be able to eat Doritos professionally as a tax write-off?

Yeah, I admit that that story, I really just kind of jammed that into this conversation because I've been wanting to talk about it with someone.

I want to see these pictures, by the way, although today, I'm your fact-checking cuz. I want to mention we do have a we have a couple of really great action shots of the cat climbing on the range hood But I would like to just for my personal consumption I want to see these photos you're talking about Andrew because it sounds really interesting I also want to clarify it's Robert Palmer not Robert Plant Oh I knew that Not the guy from Led Zeppelin It's the guy from Simply Irresistible Becca's looking at me with an arched eyebrow You weren't even born how dare you That was for Bubbles that wasn't for Becca

Uh-huh sure um uh so um so i'll tell you what i'll do and this so i just texted you like i texted you um various versions of the sign the first one being the closest to the original and then a couple of other scenarios that the ai has sort of drawn around it oh i see but those but is the ai putting it in a lake yes the ai just um maybe maybe what i'll try to do is i'm going to try to do this understand any of the liquor laws in california maybe i'll try to do is maybe show examples of this in the newsletter this week and maybe i can even make a little video of show of explaining the process if that didn't make sense how you just extend expand it out expand it out and it creates a different scenario each time um so anyway i'm just now scrolling back in my photos

andrew photos that you and i have sent to each other anything good in there well you know the next project for this ai is fat batman let's get into his world yeah what do you think the ai is gonna make of i mean that's a perfect example because it's just this closely cropped shot of him suspended from the ceiling at that hotel in bentonville yeah it's like what's the ai gonna

do with that yeah exactly zoom out zoom out zoom out so anyway here going back to the the question that you actually asked me is could we try out this you know anti-crunching technology um first of all i want to make it i'm pretty sure i read this correctly and it's just the i want to say deviousness but that's not right just the marketing prowess of doritos to first of all come out with this thing so that you know people on podcasts like us or talk radio or tv segments will like kind of talk about this and get some free publicity for them but also it's a way of people if they want of getting people's information because if you want to try out this technology i believe it's like a like a piece of software small software or an app or something that you put on your windows computer but you can't just download it from their site you have to fill out a form with your personal information on it and submit it and then it'll send you a link i believe to download the software and then you're downloading software onto your computer that you trust the doritos corporation or whomever owns them uh won't jack up your shit now i was thinking how could i possibly work that into my production stream over here at the beginning of the show we're talking about how it's kind of complicated different different computers are receiving different things and i have different feeds etc etc and i just couldn't figure out a way to make it work and also i was like do i really with all the audio issues i have anyway do i want to introduce a piece of janky software from doritos into my audio chain and the answer was no but guess what we have a john sklaroff oh who i believe has a windows computer and a much more simple setup on this

this is why by the way i shouldn't have sent back that windows computer that lenovo to apm well they have a good reason for me to hang on to it but we could have used it for these purposes

they they uh they had us on that one but no but like the way um for for many reasons luke i don't think that would have really solved the the issue yeah maybe it would have worked if you would use that but i think the thing is john has a new windows computer uh if we get him on the show next week and have him download the software onto that computer we just trust that it's not gonna you know like fry the thing he could eat chips i mean what a great assignment right like he can just join us eat chips and we'll listen to it but okay so this is you i did read the article at one

point but you think i would understand this is it the chip eater who puts the software on their on their system so that when they're eating chips they're basically muting themselves with their chips that's my understanding it's not us the people who would be hearing the chip eating we don't have to do anything it's the person so in other words i don't get to eat any chips in this

deal is the real thing i mean if we were able to i think it is the person who is eating the chips who would need the software because it's going to blanket on their end unless i mean i guess i could be wrong about this i read this a few days ago myself but no i think it's i love this as an

experiment because i again i i i don't unless they're going to use whatever whatever ghost in the machine you accidentally used yesterday where you removed your voice but not the music i don't understand how a person sitting there playing call of duty and talking to their friends and then wants to take a bite of a chip but they're still talking if they were talking while eating is it going to take the chip sound out but not they're talking i mean it sounds to me like at best it's a mute button which i'm sure already exists yeah my guess is if you're talking with a

mouthful of chips it's not going to cancel the whole thing out but i'm i'll bet you it'll sound like you'll hear like digital sort of fragmentation that's not the right word but i'll bet you you'll hear like if somebody and yes this the whole point of this i'm looking at the website again now so you can eat chips without distracting everyone in your gaming squad so it seems like the chip eater would install this and i'll bet you it like if there's background noise you sort of hear a little bit of the chip come through and i bet you it has sort of that watery audio quality if you can sort of picture that when something is too digitized yeah well i'm still excited to just see

i think it's it's it's right up our alley because it's a bullshit story and it is audio based so those are the two important things for anything that we get into on the show so we'll have to take this up with sklar off after the program and see if we can get this dialed in for next week um I've now forward promoted this too many times for it to ever pay off or be interesting, but I did have a slightly weird experience of the Seahawks game last night. The Seahawks played Dallas Thursday night football. Big game. Seahawks were going in, I think, a lot of us were kind of had pretty low expectations because they've been playing pretty bad lately, and Dallas is a really good team. But it turns out that the Seahawks actually made a pretty good game of it. I was on stage doing Livewire at the Reser and when I'm up there I have my laptop but my laptop is mostly being used for texting with the producers of the show and I'm not doing much texting but I'm getting these updates 13 minutes till break 12 minutes okay go to the bit reset like there's just little directions that the producers are sending me but it just so happened that next to that stream of information there was all I could see Andrew were the following messages And I'm just going to read these in order from what I saw while I'm trying to interview like the writer Camille Dungy, who wrote a very thoughtful book about about gardening in America and the erasure of black Americans. Also, while I'm talking to our friend Lindy West, I'm trying to have these conversations on stage that are semi meaningful. And all I'm seeing out of the corner of my eye is Andrew Walsh. Anybody got a prop bet on Witherspoon getting a taunting call before this game is over? Sammy Burbank. Fucking hell. That just took a couple of years off my life. Steve Newman best half of Seattle has played all year Sammy Burbank refs tried to job us so hard Steve Newman also JSN caught that Sammy Burbank true 100 Sammy Burbank goddamn Bobby Wagner is so washed F these refs that drive was pure ticky tacky bullshit John Goodwin that's a Mike McCarthy drive Sammy Burbank all caps F these refs but he uses the real world real world Andrew Walsh bumping out with Tush by ZZ Top is proof that we are the good guys.

Do you get that?

I have no context for it. I'm hosting a radio show while this is going on.

For what it's worth, I don't think the people who are watching the game understood that either.

Sammy Burbank, WTF is wrong with Lockett. Nice coverage, Jamal. Sammy Burbank. Sammy Burbank, what the flying fuck was that? Sammy Burbank, pathetic ending. John Goodwin, well, at least we know the lamestream media will take this Cowboys win in stride with much honor and respect given to the Hawks. And that was when, as I was thanking the audience in the room, I began to realize we probably didn't win the game. That, my friend Andrew, was how I experienced this entire very important for the Seattle Seahawks football game. What about the Hawks squad? I was not, I mean, that was also going off, but I couldn't, I was not monitoring both of them.

I see. So you aren't describing this as something that was irritating you. this was really you trying to sort of follow the game and pay attention to this a little bit while

you were doing i was actually actively trying to not follow uh what the text chain was or the game uh because i was i just thought yeah i need to be focusing on what i'm doing i didn't find it annoying but i also wasn't i didn't want to i didn't want to go into a world where i'm trying to talk to somebody on stage but i'm also trying to analyze nice coverage jamal of course yeah yeah yeah so i was trying to just ignore it but i couldn't ignore it because it just kept popping up and it was it was this weird like like i'm does nice call does nice coverage jamal mean i'm guessing it's sarcastic but also does it mean he really just like knocked a pass away like there's it's just weird to be getting the information of this game in such a kind of slightly out of context way um and and then to the real feeling i felt at the end was i was not relieved that we lost i really would have liked us to win but then i was relieved that it was for me uh less painful than it could have been because i wasn't sitting there you know at my house uh on the edge of my couch screaming at the television which i would have been if i wasn't working and then i would have been really let down because it sounds like it was a pretty good game and a pretty close game and the Seahawks played better than a lot of people expected them to so what I did was I just kind of like got to sort of live through you all and your texts and then at the end be like yeah it didn't work out like I I just didn't get as emotionally invested as I would have otherwise so I this may be how I watch every game going forward yeah no there's

something really to that I I don't want to get into recapping the game last night but I had this thought several times last night that I have not been so upset after a football game since I stopped being a Browns fan like this felt like Browns-y to me just as far as like this loss at this part of the season they a team that I've been rooting for that has been like kind of slumping and really kind of being embarrassed out on the field for a couple of games then coming back and actually playing a pretty damn good game the ref situation was irritating

And then for it to be like it was the it was the I haven't watched a lot of football games this season. I've experienced them more like like you did. Like I'll be out in my volunteering gig on a Sunday afternoon and I'll look down and and, you know, Durs will be swearing about something or saying that it's the end of an hour.

I got to unblock him because I'm sure I'm sure that thread I just left out. Oh, yeah, that's 45 messages.

Actually, you know what? It was it was Sammy. Sammy was hot on the hot on the wire last night more than more than Durs. But anyway, yeah, like it embraced that feeling that you have that you're glad you didn't watch it in a certain way. Like while the game was on, it was one of the most one of the most edge of my seat. Like, I guess why you watch football, football games that I've seen in a while. But the fact that it turned out the way it did, like I it's the first time in a long time that when a game ended and Genevieve said, like, that's a bummer. I was just like, I just like went and I took an angry shower and you never want to take an angry shower.

but like i didn't even want to talk about it various ways that the showers oh you're like uh you know they say that uh you know eskimo people have what i'm sure this is a lie probably vaguely racist but you know eskimo people have a hundred different words for ice or snow or whatever it's like you have a hundred different uses for the shower oh yeah there's a wake them up you want to wake them up there's a calm them down there's a wake them up a calm

them down exactly you want to you want to get ready for bed take a shower you want to wake up after sleeping take a shower you want to calm down after an especially brutal ending to a football game take a shower so yeah that that one really did hurt it's one of those things where it really makes you examine what do we like about sports fandom you know because like I said the three hours of watching the game was great I actually saw some really good football I saw some really irritating things but saw some really good football and again like on the edge of my seat but then because it was a good game but my team didn't win it I was really crestfallen afterwards for a while I really had to shake it off um like uh I had to shake it off Andrew's version um so anyway yeah so uh you know and also I mean if this if you said that you found it irritating I do think there's a way you can just like I didn't find it irritated oh you did not okay yeah because I think you could solve this but um but I don't think you will no I I didn't find it irritating it was

honestly i'm just kind of repeating myself now but what it ended up being was the exact right amount of information that i needed i could kind of tell if it was going well or if it was going badly and i so i i didn't feel like i was in a total information vacuum but i also wasn't i wasn't like distracted i mean i could have been literally watching it on my laptop like i have amazon prime i could have been watching it on my phone i mean that would have been highly disrespectful to everyone involved but like it just it ended up being this again it just was this weird it as far as a bummer loss for the football team that i root for it it ended up being kind of the best way for me to get that info i guess yeah absolutely and if it had gone

another way if the team had won i'd encourage you to go back and watch it you know and of course

i'm you know but there's no point i'm t-vowing it all at my house furiously so i also had that as an option like if if it had been a dramatic amazing you know win i would have this weekend been you know sitting in my living room or whatever the one room that has heat watching

it you know excitedly does prime not archive them can you just go back to prime and watch old games

oh you know what i actually that's a you know that's a good question i have my dvr getting grabbing every seahawk game but i don't know if it and my i can watch prime on my tv but i don't know if my like Xfinity DVR can jump that you know digital divide and actually DVR prime yeah in fact that's kind of interesting question I'll check it out when I go home on a Saturday oh I can't even I don't I don't we've already talked enough about football and football adjacent things but you know today Friday is the uh Pac-12 championship game and it's the Huskies The UW Huskies, that's where I went Versus the Oregon Ducks For all the marbles And literally the last real championship of any meaning In this league, I didn't even think about that And of course, I've dated into A duck dynasty And I don't mean the show with the people with the beards I mean, probably Becca's Great grandfather, Adolphus Was the founder of the university Everyone in her family And every friend of theirs It's all Ducks fans And what are we going to? A party tonight at her brother and sister-in-law's house where there will be, I'm guessing, 30 dyed-in-the-wool Oregon Ducks fans and then me.

That is a tough one, man, because I know that, I mean, this is a big game. Like, I'm somebody who, you know, has a very casual, at best, relationship with college football. I don't get usually emotionally involved one way or the other, But like every, I mean, the, the, I mean, there's so.

much energy around this game and you've been a UW fan for so long and it's like it's you know

it's in your DNA at this point like I mean from my childhood because when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s the Huskies were really good like we would go to the Rose Bowl all the time we were the co-national champions in 1991 because we never played Miami directly Steve Empman our linebacker was the Heisman Trophy winner like I this was a I mean this there was probably a time where the huskies rivaled the seahawks in terms of my like rooting interest as a kid then i ended up going there so it's a you know as far as things that are kind of bs which is college football is kind of bs i do i feel like i come by it pretty honestly you know yeah um and the only team that i actively dislike in america is the oregon ducks i don't care about wazoo i don't care about ucla usc and this by the way goes the other direction the only team that ducks fans actively dislike is the university of washington they don't probably love oregon state would you say that bex that you you all dislike the huskies more than oregon state right yeah like it's just so there's just and i hadn't even thought about it until i said this to you andrew but considering this is the final because this conference is it may have two teams i mean i guess there it may regenerate and there may be other championships but as far as this configuration of teams that i think of this is kind of the last one it's like if they said we're canceling the nfl we're having one more Super Bowl like if you could win the last Super Bowl you kind of be like well I was kind of

that's that's a way to go out so I don't I mean and then also I mean there I'm not going to try to outline them here because if you know you know but they and I've already taken us to tedious town too many times today a lot of tease um but there are there's so many narratives around this game about like about you know how the the people who make decisions at the national level about who's gonna end up playing in the championship games um in the playoffs like you know like whether or not this part of the country is being ignored or specifically that UW is being kind of like not getting enough credit and then I mean there's just so much about this game I gotta be honest with you I mean good on you for going I know I know that Becca's in the room I I don't know that if I were you with this connection to this team that I would have the ability to go there knowing that this could be a potentially a loss for the huskies who are you know underdogs in this game

for some reason well there's a couple things on that one i have not officially decided if i'm going for that portion of the evening it's also a party it's a christmas party i see so maybe what we'll do maybe becca and i will go somewhere else and have a little like uh you know dinner and watch the game there's no neutral i mean i'm in oregon it's like i'm not going to find the husky bar but maybe somewhere because honestly these are people that i know and love and really care about and i don't want to get like uh as you might say shirty or tetchy yeah or kind of like you know this happened with me and my my very good friend cotter aka the colonel who was a um huge university of arizona fan and the we actually had went to some games together like basketball games that was huskies versus the wildcats who were very good and it actually was like it kind of put a dent in our friendship I remember one time we were in Vegas watching one of these games and I was betting on it and I was you know had been imbibing and I think he said you know you're actually being hurtful right now so I don't want to go into that place with this game but but the other thing is probably something that's helping me is I do not feel particularly strong about the Huskies chances of winning this game even though we've actually beaten Oregon once and even though we are ranked above them um we have been really playing with fire for the last seven games or so Like we have been barely eking out victories and it seems to me like our number could be up. So that actually kind of, I'm, I'm, I'm emotionally. And the other thing too, is like, if we were to get into the final four of college football, which is now they have this playoff system, which I, I just have a, maybe this is kind of internalized pack 12 self-loathing, but like, which wouldn't be a terrible show title either. But it's just, I think at this point I would be I would be beyond shocked if the Huskies went in and like beat Georgia or like like I getting because you know this happened some years ago and we went out you know to uh to speaking of Georgia we went out to like Atlanta to watch the Huskies who had gotten into this final four thing just to get absolutely decimated by the uh crimson tide of Alabama so it's it's kind of like the Huskies if we pull off an absolute miracle which is to beat Oregon twice in the same season they're a very good team it just buys us the chance to just go like lambs to the slaughter to these other which this is not usually my move I'm not usually this fatalistic but in this moment I just feel like I don't I don't know it's hard to explain but I'm going in with pretty like pretty moderate expectations so that means I think I'll be

able to keep my emotions relatively in check this is again i think from a fan standpoint kind of interesting because that's how i would always approach browns games or you know i often root for the underdogs so like if you're rooting like let's let's use the example of the apple cup last weekend so i think all the you know the the matchup between the two rivals here in washington state and the Cougs are always the underdogs and this year the narrative because the UW is so good is like the Cougs are just going to get destroyed I think somebody in the text chain said this is going to be a bloodbath a few weeks ago and it turned out not to be a bloodbath and I think it was almost maybe more heartbreaking for Cougs fans because they were in the game for so long and then lost it at the end and again it goes back to what I was saying about last night's NFL game in a certain way that's good because you were on the edge of your seat and the football is good There's no point in watching a game when it's a total one-sided blowout, but it hurts so much worse. When you come into a game thinking, this is going to be a bloodbath, we're not going to win, I can handle my emotions on this. But then if they tighten it up and it's a close game, you will find yourself invested. And every notion you had going into the game will go away when you start letting a little bit of hope in.

It's like the great philosophical kind of dilemma, if you will. It's like you go into a pizza place and you think the pizza is going to be horrible, but then it's delicious. But then when you're done, they say, OK, you're never allowed to have pizza again. I think was that Kierkegaard? What is that based on? That's based on me saying words on a Friday. Just the idea that like when something good happens, but then it's ended, but then it ends with something that is like less positive. Does the thing that you does, the period of time in which you are enjoying it. Oh, yeah. Watching your football team do better than you thought. So you're eating a really delicious piece of pizza you weren't expecting. But then at the end, the outcome is is more painful. But does that erase the enjoyment you had of consuming the thing while you were consuming it? Is that was that was the the philosophical dilemma I was attempting to create through an example involving pizza?

Is is it worth bringing up here the philosophical I don't know conundrum that I had as a kid watching a Peanuts cartoon and this wasn't in a strip I believe it was one of the holiday specials maybe or just some some animated feature of Peanuts and do you remember Charlie Brown always had a crush on I believe her name was the little red haired girl maybe she had a name. but she was referred to as a little red haired girl I think and he always had a crush on her and never had a shot with her but then at one point in one of the specials I believe she kisses him and I don't know if she just gives him a peck on the cheek or what it is or maybe it's just filthy just filthy but whatever it is he is so over the moon about it that he passes out and then doesn't remember it I don't think I made this up by the way Because I believe I was a little kid watching this and it blew my mind. Do you? Yeah. And so it raised this like for real, this might have been the first I kind of philosophical question in my mind. Like if something absolutely amazing happens to you, the thing that you want more than anything else in the world and you finally get it, but you don't remember it, does it even matter?

Right. I would say no. I mean, not that I wouldn't say it doesn't matter. but I would say the having a conscious memory of something is that was amazing is part of the whole yeah appeal of the experience and if you if someone has to tell you that it happened um then I think it takes away probably a lot of the enjoyment of it because you can't for yourself kind of go back into that moment let's go forward into the moment of this coming weekend but not before we do a little music to get everybody through uh do you have a song that you would like to suggest here on this friday sir yeah you know i'm gonna play this song that i don't know

why this popped up what i was listening to that this popped up in the algorithm the other day and i don't even know if i've gone back and listened to this since it first popped up but um let's just play some jazz luke like just straight up jazz um i don't know much about jazz there was a period where i was learning a little bit about it and i uh sort of um gravitated to charles mingus stand-up bass player and composer and everything and usually i would hear him like his albums tend to be like kind of trios you know or like kind of small small groups but this song just popped up the other day and again i don't know why or where i heard this um and it is off of an album called i don't know how he came up with this the album is called mingus mingus mingus mingus mingus uh i think it's like it came out in the mid 60s and this one is a little bit different than the stuff I was familiar with because he works with a much bigger band. This gets very kind of big and brassy and he composed

this and i think he worked with somebody else to like kind of score it for a larger ensemble but it starts very small with the kind of classic charles mingus uh bass scratching i don't think that's what it's called uh and then gets pretty big almost sounds cinematic almost sounds like a bond song or something so take a listen to a little bit of this i don't know how to say the name of this it is i believe maybe two bs it's like roman numeral two and then bs sure sure charles PIANO PLAYS guitar solo I'm sure we have people in our listening audience who know much more about Charles Mingus in that song, including how to pronounce it, than I do, but I do like it.

I dig it. I need to expand my kind of jazz listening repertoire. I listen to, I don't even know if you could call it jazz, but I listen to a lot of stuff that's Oscar Peterson trio adjacent. It's kind of my go-to when I need to get down to work kind of thing. And then sometimes something will come on, it's like a Pandora station or whatever, and something will come on that's more like a little outside of just the kind of easy listening ray brown trio whatever kind of stuff and i i find myself enjoying it i think i used to describe myself as a non-jazz person but i think my heart is open to the experience now

um i know i've said this to you before but give money jungle a shot that used to be my go-to record for like trying to get work done i mean it's a little bit more boppy and it's like it's charles mingus and um max roach on drums and duke ellington and uh it's you know it might be a little bit more out there than what you listen to but it's certainly not out it's not out there it's not cacophonous at all and I always associate that with like all right working at KCRW I would listen to that record almost every day put on my headphones and listen to that sort of block out

the newsroom sound it's a great great record mine was uh listen when I worked at KUOW it was listening to a like playlist that I'd made of exclusively songs I had downloaded from Kazaa a lot of soul coughing it was the circles by soul coughing which had a glitch in it That became part of the song for me I think Becca had the same She's telling me she had the same version of Circles by Soul Coughing I'm sure there were like Hundreds if not thousands of people in the world Or in America That were listening to that jacked up version Of Circles by Soul Coughing With the exact glitch Because if it got into Kazan If it was the top result when you went looking for that song I'm trying to remember what else was on I would love to get that Playlist back Do you think that the person at KUOW who wouldn't let me change my modular workspace would get my old computer? Yeah. By the way, that should have never even been on that computer. Yeah, right, exactly. Like opening a portal for some kind of bad shit to go down. When I was at Thanksgiving, Addy had on a T-shirt, a really, I thought, pretty cute T-shirt that said, had the words Anna St. Louis on it. Louis! and uh i was like what's an anna st louis and she said oh it's this singer that i am now very into and um and so uh we talked about a little bit and then i went on my merry way and then the other day she sent me a link to this anna st louis album that is recently out it's called in the air and i was listening to it and i was thinking oh this is going to be in the way that i um got really into that uh Waxahachie album Saint Cloud and then that just became kind of the soundtrack of my life for a while I was listening to this and I thought oh man this this record could really be that for me through these dark days of winter and then of course I start googling

around and I find out that Anna St. Louis is very much in the orbit of Kevin Morby who is the partner of Katie Critchfield who's Waxahachie they're all in the same they're all in the same pickup truck yep exactly so I was wondering if we could play the song Better Days this is off of the album In the Air I mean honestly I don't think there's a miss on this record but this song is real good Better Days Anna St. Louis

We'll be right back. It's all I can do It's all I can do It's all I can do It's all I can do Where is there written on my head That I don't need love and I don't need a friend You ran like a bullet out the back

Alright, so that's Samana St. Louis Do it I just don't think there's anything Any situation in life that's not improved By a little pedal steel

I was giving you the clearance to St. Louis One more time That is, as our friend the stoop I would say objectively perfect I've never heard that before

That is amazing You should really This whole album in the air It's just and not every song sounds exactly like that but that's the general the general vibe is is is sort of americana very listenable very you know i've got it marked on my calendar andrew uh december 20th i'm waiting for my calendar to open i believe it's december 20th is the shortest day of the year and uh i know you're less affected by this than i am and i don't want to make it my sorry 21st is actually the i don't make my whole personality not liking that it gets dark early but i'm i am starting to kind of try to develop i know this sounds extreme i'm trying to develop small little coping mechanisms and tools for getting through the next 20 days because here's the thing it's so psychological for me once i know that we've had the shortest day even though the next day is barely measurably different it's something about the idea that we're getting an extra minute of light that we're on the upswing that just is every that's all i need i think it's just kind of like i need uh i could really use a win here a famous quote so i'm feeling like i might just need to for the next couple of weeks hunker down with the music of anna st louis and just keep my eyes on the 21st of december knowing that once we get through that we're we're we're going in the right direction again as a as a people um and as residents of the pacific northwest

well that song is definitely a little ray of sunshine i'll say that i don't know it's all like well you said it kind of ranges but yeah that's beautiful and also like and no joke like not gloomy at all not embracing the gloom but that

no no no I don't I can't do that every once in a while I'm into wallowing but I have to say my like listen I'm not going to be putting on LMFAO party rock is in the house tonight that's come on that's also a sign of an unwell mind but like I'm also not somebody who

the kids bop version of that you mean

that's what you're But also I'm not somebody who I need something that's kind of in the middle like that Something that's like I was driving out to do the show Last night I was listening to Slaughter Beach Dog Which was nice because It's pleasant It's mellow it's not over the top happy But it's also not like you know Making my kind of general malaise Worse so this could be a thing Our listener suggestion is from Our friend Nick aka the King of Ska long long long Long time we're talking since the Earliest days of the show our friend Nick in Lakewood Who says hello Sif Bro Sif my phone played This on my way home earlier tonight and I thought Hey Luke and Andrew dig Jangly guitar pop from The 90s and this is a damn Excellent song so here it is and then Nick says take care do good Shit and

That song is called Party Rock Anthem by LMFAO That's right How did he know? How did Nick know?

Do you know, by the way, that, do you know Red Foo from LMFAO is Barry Gordy's?

son? No, first of all, I wouldn't

have known. The founder of Motown? Okay, no, I

knew the name

Barry Gordy. No, don't start an LMFAO conversation with me if you don't want to get the full download, my friend.

Don't come to an LMFAO fight with an EMF, my dude. The lack of knowledge of Barry Gordy's offspring. I know. I knew none of that. Okay. I'm sorry. I cut you off for a bad joke. Yeah, kind of. I mean, I don't know enough about Barry Gordy. Is it Gordy? His name

is um stefan kendall gordy you don't know about barry gordy the founder of motown i mean the name rings a bell but no i don't know much about that no yeah he's just kind of generally credited with you know he founded motown records in detroit and the whole motown sound is often i mean he's just considered to be a kind of a big a big wheel big wheel down at the motown factory and so the fact that his son is the guy who did the song party rock is in the house tonight which is a big hit it actually kind of speaks it sort of speaks to this idea of like a certain kind of brain chemistry that identifies what hit music is going to be and that that can actually maybe be hereditary because my guess is that barry gordy would never have um he would have never greenlit the shirelles to do party rock anthem but he knew in his day what was going to work and his offspring red foo also knew what was going to work in his era and it was party rock anthem and he liked to party He was also a very, very competitive tennis player If I remember right Like a semi-professional tennis player Barry or the son? The son I don't think they let black people play tennis When Barry Gordy was coming up in the Motown game But it would also stand to reason That if your dad was a very successful record executive You would then have access to expensive sports Like tennis And you'd be really good at tennis

Boy, I've never played tennis in my life

Raise your hand if you saw this show ending here today Download on Barry Gordy's son

Well I got to practice My ability just to say no I'm not familiar with that tell me more about it Yelena style

And I don't again I don't think that I don't think anyone judges you less For not being familiar with the

They may judge me more

Here's what I wanted because I'm not Done with fun facts today When I saw That Nick was suggesting this song Bad Reputation by Freedy Johnston My heart went pitter-patter Because I loved Freedy Johnston when I was In college, in fact I went and saw Freedy Johnston play At, and the old heads in Seattle will know this The backstage in Ballard, there used to be A music venue called the Ballard Backstage And I just remember Being a kid and when bands were coming Through town of a certain size they'd be at the backstage And I went and saw Freedy Johnston at the backstage And he played this song Bad Reputation Well, what's the deal with 3D Johnston?

Like, old-timey?

He's just kind of a singer-songwriter dude A dude and a guitar Did you ever have I had a real kind of singer-songwriter phase in college Where I was into, like, John Wesley Harding Who is That's not his real name But that's his stage name And I believe John Wesley Harding is a character in a Dylan song So this guy, this singer-songwriter with a guitar Would tour around And I got a lot of my music from the free CDs they were mailing to KUOW or KCMU that I would go find. So that, you know, Freedy Johnson could have been on that list. But that's how we're going to wrap things up here on this Friday. And I want to say thanks to everybody for listening. We're going to be back here tomorrow. Whoa, on Monday, that is. Yeah. I'll be doing a show tomorrow, but it's just for me. We'll see you on Monday. In the meantime, have a great weekend. No, no, this is just between me and Bubbles. We'll see you on Monday. Until then, have a great weekend. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain I'm too tall. And good luck to all.

We'll be right back. I'm down in Barrett Square Looking in the crowd Your face is everywhere Been turning round Do you want me now? Do you want me now? Power out.