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so important all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tvt all the show that just might be too beautiful to live it's a tuna bro my name is luke burbank i am your host coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia still on the air where it is just absolutely just nasty day it is nasty out there raining winding you might even be able to hear some of the wind whipping over the recording today I went down to town this morning to run a couple of errands and thought I would try to get outside and maybe do a little jogging lap and basically stepped out of my vehicle and looked around and felt around and said, nope, absolutely not. We're going back home. We're getting on the treadmill. And we're staying inside the studio where it's dry and warm and where we are ready, my friends, for episode 4114 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Of course, we were doing the winter games there along with some new programming. Andrew was holding the fort down. I was kind of off living my life, which means that there was a lot of news going on that I would really love to comment on. I've got lots of news. We'll do that today, including the big story around here. That time a door fell off of an Alaska Airlines flight. Maybe an aircraft, a literal aircraft that I've probably been on in my life. I mean, it was flying out of Portland. It's an Alaska Airlines flight. The chances are pretty good I'd been on that plane. I'll say this, though. There were so many things about the story. I mean, the door falling off seems like a pretty bad, pretty bad situation. I'm laughing because thankfully nobody was hurt. But we've learned so much else about ways to handle this kind of things and ways not to handle this kind of thing. Like, they erased the voice recording of the incident already. It was literally a major disaster. And some other things that we're going to talk about. i do have sort of a new favorite person though and it's the ntsb spokesperson who was running the press conference um last night anyway we'll talk about that uh plus i'm sure various updates on our on our lives including the life of this young man the longest running co-bro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships like i said i've missed you all but he has been here keeping the home fires burning this don't miss he's andrew walsh and he's joining

joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Good morning. You and I already spent the first 40 minutes of the morning just talking about things we don't trust ourselves to talk about on TBTL because we'll spiral out of control. We're trying, we're starting on this Monday in this new 2024 to stay on track. No more tangents. Isn't that what you said? That's

the mandate for 2024 TBTL? That's my resolution, Andrew. Stick to the script. even though, well, I've scripted the first 50 plays of today's podcast.

Oh, God, don't! Dude!

Oh, yeah, buddy.

That was one of the things I needed to talk to you about that I forgot to talk to you about, and now we can't talk about it because we've got to stick to the script,

and that's not part of the script. Yeah, that's not one of the first 50 plays of the show. God, I need to talk to you about that, though. I really did make a promise to myself and to the memory of my ancestors before me, Andrew, that I would not get into like sports i wouldn't start this episode of the show with sports talk because like i said we've been doing the winter games you've been here doing episodes but it's my

first time back live and direct in a little while and i don't think it's a good look or a strong a return to the show for me to just get into the weeds on on particularly on football matters so but let's do that towards the end let's get deep into the weeds at the end of the show and who knows we may still end up with a three-hour episode as our friend the stew bot predicted oh yeah text over the oh yeah buddy um that very well may happen yeah

possibly yeah i gotta ask you about that though about that that 48 so how how have you been what's

been going on with you. I've been well. Do I sound different to you, though? Do I sound like a different person? Because I've really changed fundamentally.

You sound, I mean, a little bit more mature. You sound slightly more handsome. Hey, have you started smoking?

I have, but just a pipe. Just a pipe at night full of that kind of fake tobacco they give actors when they have to smoke in a movie.

Oh, I didn't know about this. But it's not real.

I think I heard Bradley Cooper talking about that on The Howard Stern Show. Oh, the other thing I promised I wouldn't start the show with talking about the howard stern show for an act the only thing less interesting than football to our listeners um yeah they give when an actor has to like chain smoke in a movie if they're not a smoker or maybe if they just want to keep their nicotine levels relatively low there's some kind of fake tobacco which the actor bradley cooper uh said is so disgusting that if you're trying to quit smoking you should really just smoke this stuff and it will actually cure

you of it wow also that reminds me of a bradley cooper question i have for you maybe later now

That I am fully ready to answer right here, right now.

You're building up to something, so I don't want to get in the way of it. No tangents in 2024.

Okay, so we are going to put the Bradley Cooper question in the parking lot, and then we're going to circle back to it.

Or I can tell you what it is, and you can decide. Did you follow any of the Golden Globe's coverage at all?

I followed it this morning when I read that the reviews on Joe Coy's performance were not overly positive, which I feel a certain personal connection to because Joe Coy, if I understand right, hails from Tacoma, Washington.

That's what I understand, too.

And so I was sort of low-key rooting for him just as a sort of regional dude.

Well, last night, this is, I don't know how you will take this. We've got to get to whatever you were talking about, but last night at midnight I put on a movie because it occurred to me that there's a very good chance that you would have watched this movie over the past couple of weeks, and I kind of didn't want it, you know, even slightly spoiled for me. Like, I knew nothing about it. It was...

I'm determined to make that a joke. One of my big resolutions for 224 is to make Rango reference.

No, Rango is so much better than Chipwreck. His Chipwreck is so 2009 now. It's kind of played out. It's played out, yeah. No, it was the... Jeez, now I can't think of the name. It's Salt Burn, that everybody's talking about it. You know what? And usually I don't give a shit about that stuff. But I was like, but you know what? It seems like everybody's talking about this. Whether I like it or not, I should probably just watch it. And then I was like, oh, Luke is definitely going to talk about it on Monday. I better watch it before I hear anything about it. So I turned it on at midnight last night. I went to bed at like 3 in the morning. And then I wake up and it's not even on the goddamn show sheet.

Well, I downloaded it to my laptop before my flight to Germany. Oh. I was trying to be real responsible and get all of my media kind of needs met. But here's what I realized. If the Wi-Fi on the plane doesn't work, it doesn't matter if you've downloaded your crapola to Netflix or Hulu or whatever service you're using. This idea of this downloading thing is slightly misleading.

How so? I've done that. I don't fly as much as you.

How do you get to the website? this is where i can feel i can feel this is that moment before i say something no no this is the moment before i say something that when i hear your response to it i'll realize what a moron i am but like how do you if i had it if i download like i downloaded so much bosh i'm really one of my other big things for 2024 is to get more into bosh what is that detective show oh that's the one that's on like amazon prime or something that is that one you're watching with your dad or is a solo no that's that's shetland and oh right god i'm deep in the world of jimmy perez di jimmy perez right now i mean that's that's a spinoff podcast it won't be as good as mcmillan men but it's i'm very happy to talk shetland with you no um bosch is just kind of like hard slightly i don't know if it's i've never watched it andrew because i downloaded all of it to like my amazon prime account i downloaded whatever could be downloaded on netflix i got all this stuff ready and then the wi-fi never worked on the airplane going both from uh seattle to frankfort and from frankfort back i mean it it would you could get like a text message out here and there but it didn't

i couldn't go to like netflix.com international i but it's supposed i mean they had wi-fi they

offered it it was an option but what i'm saying is if If you download something to Netflix, should you be able to – is the idea that you can watch it even if your phone has no contact with the outer world?

So here's the deal. Here's my – and I've only watched movies, I believe, on my laptop or – no, no, tablet. I've done it with tablet too. But here's the deal. When you go on the airplane and then you're like, hey, maybe I want Wi-Fi, maybe I don't. Let me see what the deals are or whatever. You can get on the airplane's Wi-Fi before buying the Wi-Fi, right? Yes. You have to get on the Wi-Fi. Right. in order to purchase it. So if you can just get to that, then your computer, that didn't, so that's how I've done it. And then it'll just say, okay, well, you're talking to it now. And so then I'll just tab on over to Netflix and then I go to the download tab. Right.

Or downloads rather.

Downloaded or whatever. Right.

See, that was my plan, but the, the, why the wifi was so intermittent that I couldn't even, and again, it didn't help that it was like in German and stuff, But, like, I couldn't even get the Wi-Fi to operate enough that I could go to the website of, like, one of the major providers, such as Netflix.com or whomever else, and then go over to where the stuff – because it's not downloaded to your physical computer or phone, right?

It's just downloaded to your account. No, it is. It's downloaded to your – It is? That's how it works.

Well, then I should have just been able to do it in an airplane.

Well, but, yeah, but you have to access it via the app. So it is physically downloaded, but it's not like you can just surf over and find an MP4 file. Boy. Hey, welcome back, Luke. Do you want me to get into frame rate and compression? Because honestly, that was one of my biggest things about Saltburne was actually aspect ratio. I was obsessed with it. It's shot in a 4.3, like an old square TV sort of. Oh, wow. Which I was Googling why the filmmakers decided to do it. Like, all of my takes on that movie have nothing to do with what everybody else is talking about. Having said that, I thought that Joe Coy, I was reading the write-ups of the Globes. I didn't follow them yesterday. I'm not an award show guy. And I thought there was some joke. Of course, there's quite a, well, not quite a bit, but there's, well, there is penis in Saltburn. I don't know how to quantify that, whether or not it's a lot. There is not. In other words, they show a penis. yes and it becomes sort of like it's become sort of a viral thing or sort of a something in the zeitgeist right now is i can't think it's keogh i can't think of the name of the actor um oh he's the um he's the irish guy right he kian maybe barry kian yeah yeah he's a banshees of in a

sharon guy oh okay oh man i've never seen and i believe was raised in like youth care in the uk like with their equivalent of a foster home and it's just like oh really really yeah i don't know how to say his last name either keo but like it seems like he's had a kind of lived an incredible life and is and is now really uh you know um doing well in the world of acting yeah it's it does it's

i don't know if i'm pronouncing it correctly but i'm looking at now it's like key in maybe key k-e-o-g-h-a-n uh but anyway so i don't know if it's a lot of penis or a little bit of penis but it's more penis than you see in most movies exactly and so it doesn't any complaints plays kind of a role in the film and so joe coy the comedian who was hosting the award show last night made some joke that i think was somehow tying keegan's penis to a bradley cooper joke and maybe it was the write-up i was reading but like i reread that line several times and decided like i just don't get it and a lot of people said that maybe the jokes were just bad and that's why

I wasn't getting well here's what I read I read you know and first again don't don't please don't judge me although maybe you know what honestly judge me over this maybe it'll change my behaviors the first review I read of the show was in the New York Post which is the worst place to get really almost any information so they're so the New York Post is just such a rag and they have so many like preconceived opinions about like they probably think that the Golden Globes are woke or something so they're like get up on the side of the bed of like not wanting to like it but or Joe Coy or whatever but like a couple of the jokes just sounded like they were pretty lame like you know sort of like the movie about like Oppenheimer a movie about a great scientist this is like Joe Coy saying this and then Barbie a movie where a lady has big boobs that was the joke and then apparently there was another point where the jokes were not working well and then Joe Coy pointed out the fact that he was hired 10 days ago to do the gig which by the way is not a bad approach like honestly like if if if if it were my uh gig hosting the golden globes kind of at the last minute uh i think uh i would have said hey i just got this job like five days ago like i would immediately show my belly um it sounds like he didn't roll that out until things weren't going well and i believe he said something to the effect of well i don't know what you were expecting i just got this job 10 days ago yo shut up yeah some of these jokes I wrote and those are going to be the ones you laugh at like it sounds like it just I don't think I'll ever find myself in that moment on a stage that big so I kind of can't relate I can't say how I would do but I would hope that that wouldn't be where I would go somebody a different person not in the New York Post wrote that it was sort of like it felt like a performance at a comedy club where the crowd wasn't vibing yeah and that's one kind of energy that you can do as a as a as a comedian, it's a sort of not that we need to have any special reverence for the Bob De Niro's of the world. I mean, legitimately, like, I don't like that either. This idea that, like, you can't you can't treat these Hollywood these Hollywood actors like they're just some commoners at a comedy club. Like, by all means do. But like, it just sounds like it didn't go particularly well.

Yeah, that's the problem. Like, cringe is cringe and it kind of doesn't matter once you're in that room, whatever the room is, whether it's a huge room like that or even a small, you know open mic or something like whether it's the audience's fault or the I mean quote unquote fault of the person on stage or whatever it is like if the vibe isn't there and the vibe turns awkward and it just keeps on getting more and more awkward it doesn't matter anymore like it just is and I was thinking about him today because I don't have an opinion on Joe Coy I hadn't heard of him before this um I did watch a couple of very small clips I think some of it is exaggerated I heard that Taylor Swift stared daggers at him. And then I watched it and I was like, well, I think she tried not to laugh. I think she didn't find it funny, but she also didn't stare daggers. She took a sip of her water so that she didn't have to respond. I've done that in meetings before. So anyway. With me. With you every time I'm sipping.

Ever since you started dating Travis Kelsey, you really changed Andrew.

Yeah, and has the Chiefs. Anyway, so why are you such a different man?

Well, Andrew, because I've had a real, like, you know, Saul on the road to Damascus moment. I have seen the light. And I am now, I stand before you, Andrew, a grocery outlet fan.

Oh, Genevieve.

I'm a Geo man like my father and his father before him. Usually when I say that, it's a joke. But no, literally like my father. I've figured out everything about my parents' dining habits now based on spending more time in grocery outlet. i just see all of these weird products like that's fig diet fig newtons oh that's where they got them an entire section of nutty buddies something i've never seen in a normal grocery store that's why he has those like i've started going to the grocery outlet near me and it's all this stuff that this random like it's stuff that's a lot of it is is is a product that you could buy in another grocery store, but not from the same, what's the word I'm looking for, purveyor of that product? Like, yesterday for watching the football game, I decided I was going to make up some nachos. We were going to take a work break. My dad's here helping me with the house again. And so I wanted to get some salsa. And I got some really nice, like a pico de gallo that was, like, refrigerated, and it was tasty. But it was from a brand I'd never seen before. Same with, like, the guacamole. was I was too lazy to do like a you know homemade guacamole but same thing it was totally delicious it was refrigerated never heard of the brand before that seems to be the vibe in there to borrow from Stephanie Courtney aka Flo from progressive when she was doing stand-up comedy she talked about the 99 cent store it's like there's a lot of cinnamon coke in that grocery outlet there's a lot of like I'm over here product thing that you're like when did they make this or who made this but that being said it's such it's like a casino of food in that you don't know the outcome and you'll probably lose but you're gonna have fun well will you probably lose no it sounds

like you're mostly winning uh but i mean this is really interesting to me because there is a grocery store that will be opening soon near me like i don't have any grocery stores that i can walk to right now but the old oak tree market closed a couple of years ago and i know you know that area really well what was it that was it was well it was uh it was a loved well in the back in the day

it was a larry's larry's market which was considered very high end in the day and uh then it changed

hands various times you know sort of a latin and asian market um that hit hard times and then it closed about a year or two ago and you know i love living in places where i can actually walk to a grocery store right now i don't really have a grocery store i sort of have been spreading my love around which is causing some issues amongst the grocery stores in my life yeah it is you're using protection i mean again we'll talk about that later in the show when we don't great now it's gonna be a four-hour show yeah um but uh anyway it is nasty out there we've been waiting to see what new grocery store takes over the husk that's a big

deal it's a huge deal in one's life i mean for real and genevieve is excited about what the

latest news on this is i'm more tepid but maybe you'll turn me around it is not a gross out as genevieve calls it but a sars super saver which genevieve says is very much like grocery outlet

which she's a big fan of i mean i they're leaving sars in the name oh i you know i don't know it's

S-A-A-R-S.

It's probably somebody's last name. I guess when I heard it said. I've never seen that word before. I had the same thought, not that I want to take it into football town, but I was listening on my phone to the Baltimore Ravens local broadcast, and their radio announcer, God bless him, who's been there forever, his name is Jerry Sandusky. Oh, my God. And it's just shocking.

You just triggered me.

It's just shocking. I'm just listening. He's like, Jerry Sandusky here with Rod Woodson. here with the Hall of Famer, Rod Woodson. And I was like, well, what? I almost drove off the road. I remember when that other Jerry Sandusky was in the news that I saw an article about the guy with the Ravens is sticking with it, which is like, it's that poor guy. This is not his fault. He had nothing to do with it. But that name is, we may have burned through that name. And I don't know if you want to go with Gerald. I don't know what you want to do. And I spent the rest of the drive Just obsessing over And we've got listeners in Baltimore Maybe somebody will check in At what point did the Baltimore Ravens fans Who listened to the broadcast Stop getting that feeling that I got By that guy's name Maybe they never had it

Yeah because it predates They might have had the opposite Like when this They felt great about Penn State's Jerry Sandoz Well yeah just like when They start hearing about the Penn State scandal I mean, to call it scandal seems to underplay what happened there, but I don't know what to call it. But when you hear about that atrocity or whatever, like you might be like, at first you have cognitive dissonance because you're used to hearing the name Jerry Sandusky when you're watching your Ravens games.

You know, it'd be like if a guy named Steve Rabel did some really bad shit for us. I'm looking up SARS super saver food. And it is interesting that the very first thing at the top of their website is COVID vaccines available. Oh, yeah.

Now, on the website, it does seem like the branding seems to lean more towards Super Saver Foods. The web address is sarssupersaverfoods.com. But anyway, so this is apparently going to be like kind of a grocery outlet. I was hoping for like a – I didn't want a fancy store. I didn't want like a – What about a TJ's? You don't like a TJ's, do you? No, I don't. They make me claustrophobic. I've only been in a few of them, and they always make me want to leave.

Yeah. I'm excited because we're getting a TJ's like 20 miles from my house. That tells you where I live. Like it was big news in the Colombian.

So you, yeah, you like your Trader Joe's and you have the little products, like the various things they make under the Trader Joe's brand that you're loyal to. I do.

I'm kind of, Trader Joe's feels like the J.Crew of food to me in that when I walk into a J.Crew, I go, yeah, okay, you've got me figured out. When I walk into a Trader Joe's, I'm like, okay, you figured me out about whatever cockamamie diet I'm doing right now. Not that it's a diet food place, but I do think that they're very responsive to what the trends are. Like, I spent a week in review video with you and John Sklaroff eating those beans, those cannelloni beans.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And which I tell you what, I started out with like 20 cans of those. I'm down to like two or three of them. Like, those are legitimately something I enjoy a couple times a week. But they seem to, Trader Joe's seems to kind of like figure out, oh, what's in the zeitgeist right now for a certain kind of person? Oh, are they trying to eat more whole foods? I know that's ironic because that's the name of a whole other place. But, like, are they trying to eat more things that are less processed? Are they trying to do this? What's going on? And then they have a way of responding to that, in my experience. That's pretty – it just feels like whatever kind of thing I'm trying to do more of, I go into Trader Joe's. I'm like, oh, they have a whole section of this stuff now.

Well, I don't know if you're going to remember this from, you know, a couple of weeks ago, but we got in some pretty hot meatball talk a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, we did. And our friend Anna, who's also been on Week in Review, she doesn't eat meat, and she mentioned that Trader Joe's – I'm pretty sure I have this right, that Trader Joe's specifically has some vegetarian meatballs that she swears by. She said that even I would like to visit. Somebody emailed me about that, too. Yeah, so give that a shot.

I just mined my way back into, maybe one day this week, can we talk about Kayla, the woman who's been mining under her house in Virginia, Andrew, who I've been following on TikTok for years and finally the rest of the world has found out, which is why they immediately shut her suburban mining project down.

Oh no, okay, yeah, sure, yeah.

I was mining into my TBTL email, not unlike this woman in Herndon, Virginia, who's been mining under her home. But and I saw an email about that, that there are at TJ's, there are some plant based meatballs that are that are. absolutely delicious so I might check that out but the the here's okay here's what I really like about Grocery Outlet which I have eschewed for so many years one thing I think that's happening Andrew is I am really running out of money not to get into my personal finances but I would just I'm opening a PayPal page and if you've enjoyed TB till over that no I'm kidding I am I am really with this project I'm really reaching the moment where I'm like I've I've been somebody who's been very fortunate in my life that through my ups and downs and my various uh legal and marital entanglements and good and bad financial decisions i haven't been like noting the price of um a thing of salsa uh unless it's you know like twenty dollars i'd be like well what the hell but like i i i think i think the way i've been in my adult life is very much a reaction to my childhood because i grew up uh with parents who were obsessed with what everything costs we didn't have any money and so it was like we were always always buying the cheapest version of everything and if something was eight cents more we would drive across town to get the cheaper one and it kind of got into being almost like a kind of a for my parents I think it may be a not totally all the time healthy thing I'll give you an example I my dad and I were we're setting up the I moved the TV Andrew we've escaped we've we've achieved escape velocity from the one tiny room in my house out to the what's the living room now so the tv is in the living room which is a huge thing and um because for like the last i don't know almost a year or something i've just been in one little room that had heat and now i'm in the living room which doesn't have heat but let's not focus on the negative here and so we're setting it up and i didn't have an hdmi cable i had i needed two of them and i only had one and my dad said oh i've got one and we hooked it up hell yeah he did your dad has every cable possible but this is this is the but this is where this is going the The TV starts fritzing out. It keeps going like, you know, you have no connection. And I'm like, are you kidding me? My dad's like, yeah, you're probably too far from your Wi-Fi, which is actually out here in the Madrona Hill studio is where the router is and the modem. It's where the internet comes into my living area. And I was like, yeah, but I'm actually physically closer to where that is. He goes, yeah, but there's a wall in between us. I was like, maybe. And I thought, I'm sitting there. And I'm so, you know when you do like a, like, so we had to mount the TV, you know get the whole thing it's like it's a half of a day's project and then we're running the cords through the wall because we because we put this wall in so we it was actually very this was pretty dope Andrew you'd appreciate this on a cable management kind of uh sort of tip because we built this wall or because we tore this wall down and then basically redid it

I put a port into the wall that had all the cables running through before so I don't have any cables hanging down anywhere they go into this special box that's made designed for this that has power and everything that's behind the tv that's amazing i also have a question about i

mean yeah i mean that's obviously the dream yeah um but uh so you're still maybe not it sounds like right now you're relying on wi-fi for your television but eventually i assume you'll still have traditional cable so is cable something that you ran through there as well no no that's the

that was that was the crazy part of it i do have cable i have a coax that goes to the cable box there so the the wi-fi that we immediately we very quickly realized it had nothing to do with the why no okay yeah yeah but that was the initial thing my dad was like the wi-fi is not working and i start spiraling because we've spent all day doing this i've built out this part of the house for this we built a cabinet a recessed cabinet underneath where the tv is going to go and i get it all set up and you know me and my coat hook moments and i'm like okay now it's time for watching shit and I have I got a new couch and I brought the couch out I was like I'm gonna sit on this couch we're gonna watch Shetland's like everything's gonna be okay in my life and then the TV's just going no connection and I'm like oh my god and I just start I just start thinking this I can't believe this is like I'm have to move the TV I'm gonna have to get a mesh network my dad's like well you're probably gonna need one of those mesh networks and I go then also I go what are we talking about there's a coax cable going to this may this is not dependent on Wi-Fi goes oh yeah good point I go over and I wiggle The HDMI cable It's a bad cable Andrew And I go Hey dad I think this cable's bad Oh yeah He goes I forgot to tell you Yeah that one's terrible I bought it At Goodwill And it never works I take it to Worldmark With your mom And it fails Like half the time

He takes it to Worldmark

So that's the condo club My parents are in That they love to go to And when they're at The condos The various places Mostly Seaside, Oregon My dad brings his laptop And they somehow hook up his laptop to the tv that's in the condo so they can watch the programming that he's stolen from the internet yeah i go so you just have he goes yeah i just got it at goodwill it's never really worked i was like dad how much is a hdmi cable he goes yeah i know i gotta stop doing that I'm like, how long have you been dealing with this problem? How long have you been living your life with a semi-functional HDMI cable? He goes, yeah, when I get to Goodwill, I just like to walk down the electronics aisle. I go, you mean a bunch of things that someone gave away because of how much they didn't work?

I'm somehow exactly like, but also the opposite of your dad in that way. Because that is my favorite thing. I just did that, what, two days ago. vives and i went to the huge goodwill down on dearborn right that huge one i just beelined it to the electronic section i look at other people buying things that i don't need some sort of power supply unit i saw somebody buying that and i was jealous of them and i'm like i don't even know what that i literally i swear to god i'm like standing in line i'm like that person bought that thing they were they were fiddling with and i felt jealousy and then i was like i don't even know what that does ask genevieve if you think i'm lying because i was standing next to her i'm like what do you think that thing does it looks like a power supply so like there's something about there's something so appealing about buying electronics from goodwill having said that i've never bought a cable from goodwill because i want my feeling is to be strong why did this

why did someone look at this thing and say i would rather not have this in my house this thing that has some utility to it if it's working i'm like well of course it's a bad so you know i go to target and get another one. And then, and then we're great. But anyway, my point is I was raised in a household where we had a lot of things like that HDMI cable that were just kind of like almost working, but not quite, but like not something that was prohibitively expensive, something that for $8 American, we could have had the working version of. And so how that's manifested in my life is that I overdo it with the always buying the newest version of something or going to the grocery store, going to Whole Foods to buy something that I don't need to buy from Whole Foods because it's going to definitely cost me more money. And I've lived my, I'm 47 years old and I've lived my adult life largely this way. And I think it's totally like a reaction to my childhood. So part of that was like, ooh, grocery outlet. Well, I started going to grocery outlet during the winter games. I needed something. I was literally driving around the town down there and pulled in this grocery outlet, and I friggin' love this place. It is like a Ross dress for less for food. You really can't go in with any specific idea in mind, but you will find something amazing. I love that the one in the town near me is owned by, it's got like a sort of painting of the couple that actually owns it. These are clearly franchises, and it's like owned by Bob and Jeannie Carmichael, and there's like a little painting of them on the door, and then you just like walk around and they've got all manner of things and what this is where they really get me this is where i says like a casino they'll have a product like i bought some blueberries i've been big on blueberries also that's the other thing that's different about

me now andrew i i exist mostly on blueberries anti-toxin what is the word i'm looking for

well they're anti they're anti-inflammatory here's something that's supposedly really good about blueberries and like almonds and things like they have a lot of fiber in them and uh when you eat them like when you eat almonds supposedly um like if you eat like 160 calories of almonds about 30 calories of that just kind of because of the weird process of almonds goes to your your biome which is really good like you're kind of feeding parts of your biome that are need some nutrition etc i'm trying to eat more foods that are less processed is a thing that i'm legitimately trying to do so i buy these blueberries and it's like a thing of blueberries And it's like, it says like $4 and it says elsewhere, $8. I don't know if that's a real number. I am not, I'm not looking up what it's costing. It does seem like blue. I bought some blueberries at new seasons in Portland this weekend. It feels like it was $8. It was a lot of, it was $40 when I got out of that new season. So I love this, this feature at this grocery outlet. And I'm sure this is what they do at all of them where they just selling you this, like, Hey, Kelly's Irish butter, which I also really love. and it's like four dollars elsewhere seven dollars i'm like i don't know if it's seven dollars because i also buy that at safeway it's probably like six bucks but still when you check out the person says to you you saved twelve dollars and i'm like i just feel like i am stabilizing this shipwreck that is my finances every time i go to grocery outlet because everything i'm buying is less than it would be elsewhere wherever quote unquote elsewhere is well i'm interested in seeing how

i react to it as well i have a sort of you know what it is it's my goodwill electronics department andrew yeah well i mean yeah or it's just like or it's just good health like i don't know like well whatever i in a certain way i i would take i would take issue with one thing about the electronics at goodwill like probably like they they have all those cables and everything there it doesn't mean that they're there because they don't work it's Thank you.

probably because somebody was cleaning out their parents' house and they're moving into a smaller thing and they're just like throwing all kinds of shit into a box and taking it to goodwill and so it's a little bit of like you that is definitely maybe like a like a casino like it will with this hdmi work or not you know but there is something about like when you finally just throw away a cable and get a new one and it's secure you're like why didn't i do that a lifetime ago so that's part of it but i have a i have a like a relationship with um grocery shopping that is similar to yours but probably from growing up completely differently. Like I just, my parents, I was just so secure in every way kind of financially growing up. We didn't really talk about money. I don't think my parents did the best job of probably educating me about money because they just provided everything, you know? Like I didn't get an allowance, for example. And some people will be like, well, you didn't get an allowance for all the work you did? It's like, yeah, but I wanted for nothing, you know? So because of that, I have this strange relationship with money, I feel like where, um, like when I go to the grocery store, it wasn't until recently that I started looking at prices as of course, prices have been shooting up over the past couple of years, but like, you know, I'll buy deli meat, like, you know, the stuff, I don't buy stuff that is like branded by Oscar Mayer and then put in plastic. I buy deli meat, like from the deli and, uh, you know, like shaved there in the grocery store. And like, I picked up a thing of, I think roast beef the other day, it was like three quarters of a pound or maybe even half a pound or something. and it was like and i happened to look at the label and i buy this occasionally right like 18 i was like what like that's 18 for me i think it was like half a pound maybe it was closer to a full pound of of lunch me but it never occurred to me that that would be like close to 20 bucks you know and then i was like wow i just go through life just like buying things and then especially at the grocery store and i think genevieve can't wrap her head around that relationship that i have. Like, I just don't pay attention. But then once you start paying attention, I can understand how it can get a little bit obsessive, right? Like once you start looking at every single price.

Well, there's a, there's a very healthy in between, between like how I have been and how my parents remain. And doing this project with my dad has actually been really interesting because he never ever wants to buy anything that he thinks we could either make work with what we have or find a scrap of wood that can do it or like a perfect example is we've been putting in this pellet stove in the kind of living room area and there's something called dura venting and this is the you know the venting that goes out the back of a pellet stove and out of your house and it's kind of a complicated system has an inner lining um which is to get the smoke and some of the sparks and embers out but then there's an outer lining so that the pipe doesn't heat up like if you were to touch the outside of the pipe it would be hot but there's a protective layer anyway this stuff is really actually not cheap surprisingly this venting is is pricey and it turns out there was like a pellet stove in the basement of this house with this and it had the same dura venting on it but it's like been there for 25 years it's all jacked up and like my dad and i had this like long running not argument but like he wanted to spend so much time trying to fix and rehab this one right angle part and i finally said to him dad how much you think that part is it's like 45 he goes yeah i go how much do i pay you an hour 45 why don't we why don't i buy a new one then Also this is going to be in my living room I would like it to be not like Beat to shit you know like I'm putting all this Time and energy and money into this let's just Let me go down to Home Depot Let me get the bright angle Dura venting and then you won't Have to work on this other thing for an hour it will Cost me the same amount of money I guess we all know I'm paying my dad An hour now I'm paying him one Dura vent an hour but Like that's the kind of and that goes On all day long and again my dad is just doing this out of love like all of this stuff is more of a hassle for him to try to rehabilitate uh like a screw that he finds there's like well this screw is still good or like because that's how he operates and again there's really something to that i am so sort of is profligate is the word right profligate's one of those words that doesn't quite sound like the thing i think it means but i'm a little profligate with my spending i don't think about it long and hard enough. And my tendency is towards, oh, well, if we need something, let's just replace it with something new. And that really adds up. And I'm really hitting some budgetary, some budgetary walls with this. Tearing down these literal walls has created some figurative financial walls for me now, Andrew, that I see coming. All of that is to say, I'm kind of getting into this idea of like, hey, if I can buy some guacamole, that's $4 and elsewhere at $6, why would I not? I think I thought that everything in the grocery outlet was going to be like hyper-processed and weird and gross.

and there is a lot of that stuff there but there's plenty of just normal shit too plenty of stuff that you just might need like tortilla chips and like just like regular things a vegetable the blueberries are fine i've been eating them they're great like yeah i was gonna ask about the produce

because that's what genevieve says about the place that's opening near us she's like yeah it's great produce and meat like even if like because i i'm a weird like kind of like i don't want to buy cat litter that isn't fresh step or whatever like i'm weirdly not brand loyal but like i don't like buying things that are just like you just seem like a made-up brand like grocery outlet cat litter and i don't know why they literally shit in it you know what i mean like can you think of a product that probably is that matters less you know but um i just want to be able to buy my i want to buy cheerios i don't want to buy cereals you know or whatever but if nothing else fruit and veggies it sounds like fruit veggies and meat potentially are good at the stuff that was

in this i mean it's not a huge selection the one that i went to but it seemed fine i mean it seemed it you know like uh i'll put it this way it's better than the the the produce at a target depending on the target you go to like target is is is what i grew up with like target first of all was a late addition to my life in growing up in seattle like they didn't even get those until i was probably teenager and it was never a grocery store when i was a kid kind of like fred meyer wasn't a grocery store and then at some point they started integrating that out in the northwest maybe that was always part of the deal in the in minnesota and stuff but i'm consistently disappointed if i try to buy produce at the target that's in the town near me this was better than that but like it also was just kind of an adventure like like kind of in the way now this is this is i know you're not a big costco guy because there's just a lot of uh pain points for you when you go a costco in terms of just human behavior but in the way that i i do i think i enjoy being in a costco because even though i've i just got done saying that i often am not thoughtful enough about how i'm spending my money even though that's the case i also really get off on this idea that like oh my god what a steal of a deal like not that i'm willing to go out of my way to find it but if it just if i happen upon it if i come around a corner and there's like five oral b toothbrushes hermetically sealed for the price of what one oral b toothbrush would be i'm leaving with those toothbrushes you know what i mean it's just like so i do like that feeling what's that you can sell the rest well exactly and i have i've been going door to door i don't know if it's actually netting out because i've spent days trying to sell these other four toothbrushes but but yeah like i i i'm i guess i just want to say that uh that i'm i'm rethinking all kinds of stuff in my life including where i get at least some of my groceries now i don't buy meat typically obviously but like i don't know if this would be the place they don't have a butcher shop they don't have a bakery it's not that kind of a place so you might want to still um yeah get that from wherever you normally get it but like i'm i'm kind i was no joke like i had to go down there yesterday and well i was again i was doing various errands in town and i was just like having a really wonderful Sunday morning. Like I woke up kind of early. I was just tooling around town. There was like, nobody else was out. It was like 930 in the morning. I was getting a few things before I went and did my little jog. It was actually a weirdly nice morning and I'm just like walking around the grocery outlet, like the only person in the store. I was just like, life's good, man. Me and Gio. It's funny parts. I grew up with a different Gio gospel outreach. So it's just gone from one Gio to the next in my life.

Yeah. I mentioned before, Genevieve calls it gross out, which I don't love that.

I would say I don't think that that accurately describes, at least the one that I went to, I don't think it accurately describes the vibe.

But here's the deal, though. She's not using, like, she's the person who tells me how great it is. Like, she got so excited when the Super Saver was open. She's like, it's just like a gross out. So she's not trying to say it as a way of making.

Words matter, Andrew.

That's what I told her. We should get her on the line.

Your subconscious can't take a joke is what a girlfriend many, many moons ago, like in my college days, used to tell me. Jeanette, she used to say, your subconscious can't take a joke, which was her way of telling me to be a little less harsh on myself.

Yeah, but anyway, I don't know if I'm telling too much about it. But yeah, Genevieve loves the store. She calls it that. I think it's kind of like a term of affection, like TJ or Tarjay or whatever funny name we give. Isn't there one for TJ Maxx as well or just Maxxonese?

Well, being a Maxineese, oh, that's us really just embracing the branding. Yeah, exactly. I believe they started that one. Yeah. We did start the fire. Speaking of Bob's Burgers, Andrew, this was not on the list, but how do you feel about the integration of H. John Benjamin into the progressive campaigns?

I don't think I know about that.

Which campaign? My goodness. You, as the co-host of an advertorial podcast after these messages, I just started seeing these this weekend. there There's a new Progressive ad where these two pigeons are talking, and one of them is obviously H. John Benjamin. But again, it's a voice role, huh? It's a voice role. It's always a voice role. It's so funny to me that it's like we just, as a society, we cannot get enough of H. John Benjamin drolly saying things as an animated character. We just have an almost bottomless appetite for it. By the way, as do I. Like, I love the guy. Yeah, I love it. it's just it's it's so clearly someone at progressive was like uh one of these pigeons needs to be archer yeah or really it's more going bob belcher it's more bob belcher than archer because archer is a little bit more like up tempo a little bit more whatever archer is versus bob it's definitely it's basically he's just doing bob belcher uh-huh i mean it does amaze me like

when i was i i feel like you know whatever like when genevieve and i when our relationship was much newer let's say 20 years ago or something and we didn't all know benjamin's name h john h john benjamin right am i saying that right it sounds weird coming out of my mouth but when we before we all knew his name and i guess this is pre-bob's burgers i would hear his voice all over the place and i would say to genevieve that's dr katz's son and she's like that's not dr katz's son i'm like look it up that's dr katz's son and i i it was like a whole thing with us like that's dr katz's son and i was always identifying it and then of course that was pre-archer and pre-bob's burgers um and now like he he plays the voice of a can of beans in the wet hot american summer tv show like his voice is all over the place and of course now we now we all kind of know who he is i mean is he uh would you say he's a household name even though i just stumbled on it a second

ago no he is here's what he is a household name to uh plus people like us like if you were to go pacific lutheran universities and also lutes people who remember the days of football coach frosty weathering really long time i believe the plu football coach was named frosty weathering yeah we all need that check that yeah um plu the lutes had a really kick-ass college football team like naia division whatever when i was a kid and you'd always hear about frosty weatherings

loots are at it again could it possibly be frosty westering which is a bummer that is frosty

weathering is so much better that would be a way that'd be like dallas rains yeah um uh but um uh i think that there is the the people that watch bob's burgers the people that like are in the kind of kristin shawl you know h john bent like mr show with bob and dave not that he's even on that show but you know what i mean like there's a certain kind of a person who listens to tends to listen to a certain kind of music and like a certain kind of comedy content etc for for whom h john benjamin is is showing up a lot but like he's not showing up a lot in my parents life he's not showing up a lot in the lives of my neighbors or people i see at the home depot even the people that are my age in the home depot that i see most of them i would say are not familiar with the name h john men h john benjamin or even h john menjamin

but yeah exactly and i feel like even those people like the one the one common ground we might have there would be bob's burgers because you know that that might have um yes that might

You mean these people may be familiar with animation domination?

Right, but they still probably wouldn't know his name. You know what I mean?

Right, they wouldn't be like, he put out one of the most high-concept albums of all time where he tried to play jazz with people even though he didn't know how to play the instruments, which remains one of the most genius ideas I've ever heard of in my life to this day.

Oh, man. We'll talk about this more in days and weeks coming, I'm sure, so we don't have to stall on it here too much. But you say you're a new person because of the grocery outlet near you. I'm a new person because of the new record player in my life. And I am totally becoming that person. Like, oh, my gosh, you have it on vinyl.

Do you have it on vinyl?

Exactly. I'm talking about who produced these records. I'm like it is like Genevieve got me a nice record player for Christmas. And we set it up down here in the little dart area. And she then we went out and we bought a nice little piece of furniture to put a chest of drawers to put it on. And then like the whole and she got me a dart holder for my birthday a couple of weeks ago that also like hangs on the wall and matches everything. And it's like it is we're dialing it in down here. And I'll tell you what, I love changing who I am. My music for your weekend the past two weeks has been jazz. So sorry, everybody. I'm that guy now.

I love it. Have you been watching the Colgate hour? Where be your nutcracker? okay uh we should thank some donors here what 49 minutes into the show i do believe the prophecy has been foretold of a three hour

episode. Oh yeah, buddy. So stay with us. Hey, let's thank some donors. These are the generous, supportive, dedicated, incredible people who are keeping TBTL in business with their support each month. And they're folks like jt thorstad of tacoma washington thank you jt so why didn't they give the golden globes gig to

i was gonna say i wonder if jt cuts it up with joe coy probably um i remain by the way pro joke i

mean i don't know a lot about the guy but like i i'm i'm i here's what i was thinking this morning as i was um heading down to town i went to the ups store this is how you know you're getting old you get to the ups store five minutes before it opens and then you get in a line andrew oh there's already a line forming oh i had took a picture i could send it to you that is the number one old guy move old guys rule by the way uh that's the number one old guy move you get to the ups store before they open and then you stand outside in line um but anyway i was listening to the review of the golden globes on on morning edition and bilal koreshi the correspondent talking about it it was just again a chorus of voices saying not great hosting and i just thought oh to wake up and be that guy that this morning you know to be joe coy i'm hoping he's shaking it off because i'm sure he did his best and like you know it's hard to please everybody and i don't know i just it seems so kind of unanimous the panning of the whole thing that that makes me almost kind of and i'm sure jt thorstedt has joe coy's back you and i you and i just really quickly i want to say

You and I had almost the same exact thought at the same exact moment. Of course, I think I was listening to a re-rack of Morning Edition. I'm sure that you maybe heard an earlier version. But I had been reading some of this coverage, and then I heard that two-way on Morning Edition. And I remember exactly where I was. I was walking back into my bathroom to grab something. I remember just sort of thinking, like, yeah, I kind of feel bad for the guy. Like, I didn't watch it. I don't know much about it. But, you know, I mean, seems like a fine human being who just had like I just like just imagine waking up and everybody in the country is just saying you bombed last night. Like I couldn't handle that if it was at a small open mic night, like I said before, like what a bad feeling. Now, if he was somebody who was trying to put like I don't feel bad for Gervais if he bombs, you know what I mean? Like he's got status and he's trying to do his whole like kind of roasty, edgy thing. It's like, OK, whatever. But it sort of sounds like Joe Coy is just like a comedian. Who got booked Why did he only have 10 days? Do we know that?

The word on the street was No one else wanted the gig They tried to get Ali Wong to do it She passed They tried to get I think Will Ferrell and Kristen Wiig To host it They said no thanks I think I mean because part of it is That the Golden Globes And by the way This is the content that Rebecca Johnson In New Haven, Connecticut Craves Craves on a Monday morning

Sorry Rebecca

No no no Honestly I brought it up Who do you think Rebecca talks to About this When she has to decompress From all of this unbelievably insightful tbtl talk she talks to bruce morris who's in vashon washington oh thank you bruce is there a i mean vashon is just a slice a little slice of heaven over there i would love to live there someday it's so close to seattle but so far away what do you think the

grocery store situation is there just like small i'll tell you right now i don't know you probably

go over to one of beans many holdings beans probably got probably owns a grocery store over there um let's see vashon island grocery stores i'm sure i promise you there is a vashon island grocery that's been there they have an iga you love to see an iga wow i didn't know that those were out here oh yeah there was an iga down the street when i was growing up initially in the northgate area now it's like a you know that mosque that big mosque that's on like kind of like northgate way or something i can't as you're going down as you're going down towards lake city way in between northgate mall and lake city way there's a huge mosque but anyway down the street from there was what was an iga and i remember thinking it wasn't like international grocers

association or something oh is that what it stands for i don't know independent grocers association

maybe i remember thinking oh it's an association oh this is really something i feel like a wobbly here am i unionizing what's going on anyway um they've got an iga there on vashon um uh okay I think that the reason that nobody wanted the gig for the Golden Globes was because, you know, they canceled it for a while because the Hollywood Foreign Press Association was kind of a bad racist, probably sexist, lousy deal. And so I think between the pandemic and between the reporting in the L.A. Times, that was just like pointing out kind of how bad the track record of that organization was. It just went away for a while. while i think and this was the first year back and i'm guessing like chris rock also apparently turned it down i think that there is like if you're chris rock i mean also kind of a hazard well yeah i mean there's that as well but like i think that if you're if you're somebody who's who's who's at the and by the way joe i want to say this about this joe coy guy i think he sells out pretty large yeah i read that like you know not just like theaters but like joe coy is doing just fine for himself like i don't think he's i don't think he's having any problems in the popularity department like he's he's selling out very large venues across the country and will probably continue i don't think this hurts his career i don't think someone who loves joe coy is like didn't he kind of not nail every joke at the golden globes um but anyway i think that there was a like a lack of interest from the like will ferrell's of the world as far as hosting although he actually was presented there but like the hosting of it it's a tough gig anyway because it's famously got this vibe of like everyone's there and drunk but i think that also andrew and this is the thing that jessia floogie of bethesda maryland has been wondering all day um she's been wondering they've been wondering will luke say my last name correctly and none

of us know even now and i'm after saying it i appreciate you going for that um pronunciation but i'm also looking at the email address i believe that that is a typo i believe that's

supposed to be Jessica okay Jessica sorry Jessica it was typed Jessia in here but then the last name is also one that I'm not exactly sure if I said right it might be Flug but Jessica in Bethesda Maryland uh has been so fascinated with my thoughts about the Golden Globes and so thankfully that's being satisfied right now but yeah I think uh Joe Coy is doing just fine for himself but to wake up this morning and to like if he's the kind of person that as they say reads the comments like to just wake up and just know that there is a pretty much unanimous oh the thing i'm starting to say also was it's a tough hosting gig even on good years because the whole joke is that everybody's drunk at it like the whole idea is like it's like the cash oscars it's like where everyone's just sitting around they're just drinking and they're just bullshitting but here's what i think andrew i think hollywood at least that level of hollywood is they're all sober now or sober curious i don't think i i don't think we're living in that world anymore of like you know uh i'm trying to think of a good example but some somebody being like five martinis in on the golden globes i just don't know if that really happens anymore i think we live in a wellness culture i think the hazard of trying to host the golden globes is that hollywood doesn't get drunk

anymore and also they might be that might have been something that they were also trying to rehabilitate a little bit as well truly because because of that and the sort of messiness of it i know that that was what sort of attracted it i'm still though again i don't know the details of it but like 10 days still seems extreme for a national for a broadcast that will be a major headline the next day and was that even i am reading about and i don't care about award ceremonies like how does it get down to 10 days like you and i like yeah we couldn't plan a tbt telethon um in 10 days right throw that on the list for our i know i've been thinking that too

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in i think this is perfect timing to tell you uh as if anybody needs to hear about this uh at least in the Northwest because it's been the number one news topic I think this that's called a door plug actually plugs not just for Luke's hairline anymore now they make them on Alaska Airlines missing door plug that detached from Alaska Airlines plane found in Oregon teachers backyard so it was was it over the weekend or was it late last week time has really kind of become a flat circle for me here because i've been you know on break for the winter games my dad and i just get up and then every day just like set about on some bunch of projects here like

do you remember actually when this went down i feel like uh i feel like i heard the news on saturday and then

the article Saturday night but I could be wrong about that as well so an Alaska

Airlines flight it was a Boeing max 8 I think is maybe the kind of plane it was taking off from Portland on its way to Ontario California and at some point not very long into the flight a section of the plane fell off now the first thing was I was very confused because everybody kept calling it a section of the plane and I was like well the only thing that could fall off would be the exit door how did that happen but it turns out there's this other exit door that's like towards the back of the plane it's like 25 rows back the way i figured this out andrew is by looking at pictures of this aircraft i mean aircraft like it this design of aircraft and then counting the number of windows because my first thought was that would have been me if i am not at the front of the plane uh because of some luck of being upgraded i am definitely trying to get in one of those exit rows because you have more leg room and i like the window the window on the exit row is the perfect crime because nobody has to get up for you to get up and use the restroom so you both have the window and you have more room one side of you isn't bordering another person but you also don't have to ask permission or wake someone up to get you know what I mean it's like it's great so I was like well that would be the door I would be on and and I'm sorry thinking do I always wear my seat belt I mean I think I do but golly anyway it wasn't the like the 17th row 16 the 17th row is in my experience on these planes usually where the exits are it's this other thing that depending on how you have the airplane configured or what the level of emergency is can also be an emergency exit it's my understanding that it was

more for some international airlines that most u.s carriers don't have a door here and so and this is you know it gets into the the practices of boeing which is anyone reached out to john nance oh god

Was he the aviation like go to aviation expert, John Nance?

Right. Oh, my God.

He's like I see still out there still do his thing. I think I'm sure he's been I'm sure he's been all over the AM talk. And by the way, no shade on John Nance. It's just you and I growing up in radio production when there was an aviation issue. John Nance joins us.

If he did not talk to Dave Ross over the past four days, then I'll eat my hat. Need to get a hat, then need to eat it. Not a good one. But anyway, it sort of seems like is my understanding. I'm no I'm no John Nance, but it's John, right? Yes. OK, I just want to make sure I didn't kill the John Nance. Oh, yeah, buddy. You ever sit next to a door? That's not a door. No, but so this kind of gets into some of the practices of Boeing, which I think are kind of maybe if deplorable is too strong of a word, certainly capitalistic. where i think with this max plane it's the first time they've done this thing where they will make a fuselage with this hole cut out for the airplanes that need it and usually those are international carriers but most u.s carriers don't need a door there for whatever regulations or whatever so they just plug it up with this thing so that you don't you wouldn't notice really from the inside maybe from the outside it would look like a door but from the inside you wouldn't even realize you're sitting next to this plug because it's just sort of plastic over right so that's my

understanding of this situation so uh i mean thankfully nobody was sitting super near this door plug and so nobody was like you know killed or gravely injured but i mean i've seen you know we probably at this point all kind of watch some video of first of all remarkably chill group of people on this flight once things had sort of quote unquote stabilized they're just turning around and going back to pdx and it's just kind of like everyone's just sitting there quietly and there's just a door open on the plane um or a hole in the side of the plane nobody seems that out of

sorts about it really i haven't seen the video i've only seen photos and um yeah there's a bunch

of video on tiktok of it and it's like it's an eerie thing because nobody is flipping out they're just the plane everything seems normal except for part of the plane is missing are they wearing

masks didn't everybody have to put masks on or no the masks dropped down maybe they're in masks i

mean it's it's a shot on someone's cell phone some a kind of young woman i saw on tick tock so um but surprising i don't know there wasn't whatever chaos i expected to see in this scenario there didn't seem to be this chaos by the way two cell phones did whiff out of the plane um one of them found on the side of the road in airplane mode still in perfect working condition

i love that it was having good on that person i'm pretty i'm a little loosey-goosey with airplane mode myself i would feel so good on that person we have not we don't have confirmation on

if that was what caused the side of the plane to fall off or not so that would be the joke the door flies off somebody gets on the intercom um did somebody leave their phone in non-airplane mode so uh the the what happened on the flow.

Seems like it was pretty wild basically like You know they have this depressurization. I hadn't thought about this by the way how scary it would be It's a bang when this part of the of the this door plug flies off, right? Think about you're on an airplane and you hear a bang and suddenly the plane depressurizes your first thought is gonna be like This is a terrorist event. It didn't even occur to me like oh my gosh. That must have been terrifying. So So in the depressurization, the plane's first officer, so that's one of the pilots, lost her headset. And the captain also had headset problems. So they had to start communicating via a speaker to the rest of the plane. Also, the cockpit door opened violently, and a laminated checklist for emergency situations flew out of the cockpit.

Oh, my God.

Is that the worst-case scenario? is one of the like you've got a laminated here's what to do in an emergency it's a laminated checklist the cockpit door blasts open and the checklist flies out of the cockpit possibly out of the plane the instruction manual just the instruction manual for what to do flies out of the cockpit i don't know like i'm not trying to make light and everybody did it sounds like a really good job under their circumstance but that just seems like a there's got to be a better i I don't know what the system is, but that seems like a bad system.

The mimeographed instructions just flew out the window.

Somebody's going to email. Our friend Mark, the airline pilot, or Will, or somebody's going to email us and say, the reason that it's a laminated thing is because if you lose all power, you need to have something that's just, you know, that's kind of old school, which makes sense, but maybe let's Velcro it to something. I don't know. I don't know what to do. I'm not even trying to make a bad, a lousy, why don't they make the emergency checklist out of the black box? I'm not trying to do that joke. I just mean, what a bad coincidence of events.

Why don't they make the airplane out of the food? You get no respect. Right.

This is the worst Golden Globes ever. This is, so anyway, they turn the airplane around, they go back to PDX, they land. Thankfully, everybody is okay. I believe I heard, I didn't see this in the article, but I think Becca told me, or somebody told me a kid lost their shirt oh yeah i forgot about that yes that's way too much wind power on a kid think about that that kid's not buckled in if it's your shirts coming off kind of conditions that's your body's going out that hole in the plane if you're not i mean it

seems to me right yeah and you know you mentioned that nobody was sitting right next to the door but it's my understanding that there was somebody in that row so and again i could be wrong about this but I think I read in the like the first sort of exhausted exhaustive article about this in the Seattle Times it sounds like it was like three seats you know like three seats on either side of the aisle type of situation I think kind of standard and it sounds like nobody was in the window seat nobody was in the middle seat but there was somebody in that aisle seat so like just two seats away from a gaping maw and it's my understanding that nobody could move their seat It didn't sound like anybody would like move their seat because if you were to unbuckle yourself, that would be a dangerous situation. Although I also read that flight attendants were going up and down the aisles, talking to people and calming them, which makes me think they weren't buckled in. Like, I can't imagine being on an airplane with a gaping maw and having anybody not buckled in.

I know. If I'm a flight attendant, I'm like, sorry. I mean, that's, I'd like immediately violate the flight attendant's credo, which is help everyone survive this. I'd be like, I am not getting out of this mother flipping jump seat. You want me to, I'm sorry, walk around the airplane where there's a giant death hole. mama didn't raise no fool i'm gonna let everybody i mean i will tell you this has done a number on my brain andrew i will be making very sure my seat belt is is is safely secured during i mean i that's not one that really bothers me i don't have you know me i've got so many little things where i'm like the rules don't apply to me that's not one that i really care about one way or the other i pretty much have my seat belt buckled but it's always seemed like yeah what's this If the plane crashes, what the hell is this seatbelt going to do for me? But maybe it's more like if part of the plane falls off. Because can you imagine being two seats away from that thing and having that thing blow out? Now, enter National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy, who was giving a press conference, I believe, on Sunday. And this was kind of an amazing press conference to me, Andrew, because the first thing that Jennifer had to tell the assembled media, Was that the planes cockpit the planes cockpit voice recorder had been inadvertently taped over and at this

the door plug had not been found so Jennifer home and D has to stand up there and go yeah we were somebody recorded over the cockpit of the moment this

happened like but there but hadn't it already been trained it had it been transcribed I swore I was reading like quotes from that particular recording

not according to this NBC piece or here's I'll just read verbatim I know what you're saying i had i felt like i had read transcripts but that might have been of the tower maybe what the tower was here i don't know but here's the plane's cockpit voice recorder's record of the event was inadvertently taped over and at the time the door plug had not been found this is unfortunately a loss for us home and he said lamenting the loss of voice data and sounding frustrated during a news conference sunday night quote because that information is key not just for our investigation but for improving aviation safety um homen day uh said the ntsb is calling for expanding the minimum time recording uh recorded on the devices from two hours to 24 five hours such a time span would have saved the cockpit voice data from friday's accident quote i cannot emphasize enough how important that is for safety she said i'm getting real selena myers from veep vibes like but not she's not a terrible person like selena is but kind of more like her in a meeting backstage being like are you shitting me right now so basically what

i think the deal is really expensive luke i mean you gotta save that tape it's 2024 like how are you gonna have the ability just to record and record and record and record i mean you know you just do we know nothing about that here yeah what hour are we in exactly what

hour six of this nightmare oh yeah buddy like so there's clearly some system where if if they don't flag it you have to do something where you pull a circuit breaker or something home and he said the circuit breaker was not pulled you have to pull a circuit breaker on the airplane which then stops it from re-recording over itself although that raises the question this plane i'm assuming is not back in service what was the flight recorder when does it like what is the flight recorder recording if the plane is sitting in like dry dock right now that's a really good point because

that thing didn't go back up in the air what did it record i don't even know that's a really good

point but this is what's kind of great so they end the press conference and it's like it's clear that jennifer homendy is not having a great sunday they don't know where the door is somebody erased the cockpit thing and then after the press conference is over she busts back in the room and says i'm excited to announce that we found the door identifying the resident um who sent two photos of the door into the ntsb only as bob a school teacher she said quote Quote, thank you, Bob. Jennifer Holmendee's Sunday night got a lot better because of a school teacher in the like Cedar Hills area of Portland. By the way, a place that I go all the time. There's a Powell's out there that I sometimes visit and a mod pizza that I like. Like, it's weird to think this door fell down into an area of Portland that Beck and I go to on the regular.

It really makes you feel like, boy, I could have woken up one day and found this thing in my backyard.

exactly and my first thought was and the bob the school teacher they were like uh he did he here's what i would say to bob's credit i think bob knew what was up bob took some pictures called the ntsb called somebody but there was a certain period of time where we hadn't found the door and the local media was describing what to be on the lookout for and i was like i think it's going to be pretty obvious i think if this is in your backyard we can rule out other suspects it's

probably the door from the Alaska flight. It's a white Ford convertible, and it's pulling a small church. That's a joke from the jerk, but I think we'll recognize it. Right, right. And I do believe

that Bob the school teacher did recognize what it was, but she also used this... I wonder if I can find this. She used a term to describe Bob's actions that were almost like biblical. I don't know if I have it in this particular I've got like I was looking at multiple different articles on this to be honest with you Andrew you want to talk about media bias being real the first article that I read this morning about this that had some dazzling deets in it happened to be on Fox Business and you know what I do I put the show sheet together and I usually include a link so that you and I can maybe sort of be on the same page as the source material but as I went to highlight the URL there was just a big picture of Jesse waters and Sean Hannity And I was just like, not today, Satan. And so then I went and found the NBC version written by Dennis.

romero and jay blackman by the way and but i think it was missing some other deet about like what exactly she said about bob the teacher but it almost felt it felt like something that they would have said from the pulpit when i was a kid like we're just we just thank you right now for blessing us bob the teacher with this finding like i feel like she was having a really rough sunday that got a lot better with the with the appearance of the door the other thing i was going to say is when i like my first thought was i can't believe it took him that long to find that door seems like a huge item but then i also thought you know the world is big and like that thing if that plane flies for 20 more seconds in any direction it could be over like a forest or something i mean it could be on the roof of the building that nobody was it could be the room on the roof exactly of an amazon fulfillment warehouse which is the only buildings that are built anymore now like it could have been anywhere like it seems both like a huge thing that like how could that even be lost for 48 hours and then also like that could be like we haven't found db cooper yet like that thing could be it could be mia for a long long time i'd give up on db really i think that's probably would you give up on cable specials revealing things about db cooper that don't reveal anything oh is that a thing oh god it's like it's it's like the number one thing going on a certain level of cable like on the like you know discovery channel like secrets of db cooper and then it's always like unmasking db cooper and it's like we've unmasked nothing like i don't think that we're ever gonna know who that was or you know like but they they love to crank out a good 54 minutes of content that uh you don't find out until the end that they don't really know anything right it's not unlike who's the predator now it is time andrew if we can quickly to shift into a little bit of football talk it's not unlike and by the way i like i think it was adam jude may be writing in the Seattle Times I like Adam Jude stuff I don't have I don't have beef with Adam but I have a beef with this headline this is not so much a football story Andrew but it's a it's a it's a media literacy story it's a promises made promises not kept story you know do you get that email from the Seattle Times every day with kind of like a no a rundown of their big stories no I don't okay sorry this is Mike Voril by the way so okay sorry for you to catch astray there Adam Jude so I get this email from the Seattle Times I also subscribe to the Seattle Times but I get an email from them and I get a couple of them one's a general news kind of like here's here are the highlights from the paper today one of them's like the sports whatever so like yesterday right as the Seahawks right as the Chicago Bears were losing officially to the Green Bay Packers I get an email from the Seattle Times excitedly wanting to be the first to tell me that the Seahawks are eliminated from the playoff. I was like, simmer down, Stu. But anyway, I get this one, this headline this morning, and it was asking a question or it was sort of raising a topic that I'm legitimately curious about, which is, you know, the Huskies are playing in the national championship game tonight

against the University of Michigan. And I, having been a lifelong Husky fan, and particularly having gone through some pretty rough years, the Tyrone Willingham era comes to mind. and the Huskies once lost every game in a season, which is pretty hard to do. I always feel like the Huskies are pretty good, but when we go up against the real powerhouses of the world, the Alabamas, the LSUs, I guess we'll add in the Michigans, that the Huskies are kind of like coming at it as sort of an underdog. That's always my sort of feeling. And the headline that I got in the email was, when unbeaten UW and Michigan meet in national championship game, who's predator and prey i saw this in the email i thought you know what that's a good question i want to know like in other words is there a reason somebody who's more of a college football knower than me like somebody like mike vorrell is there can he make a compelling argument as to who is the predator and who is the prey in this game like we could start by looking at the line though right like well sure but that's yes although that i think the college lines this probably goes for the pros too i mean i would say that some of those things are driven

more by like just fan support yeah that's true i mean look at that ducks huskies game you know

kind of like i think you know because if you think about what the betting line really is it's like the casino the sports book trying to make sure that they've got equal amount of money on both sides of the bet so if you've got a team like the dallas cowboys it's got tons of fans and Delusional fans potentially that line could get slightly out of whack, but but who knows all of that is to say I was like This might be useful information So after seeing the email and then later in the morning going on to the Seattle times comm I finally click on the article I read the entire article There is absolutely no insight provided as to who is the predator and who is the prey it's just it basically says You know the Huskies have not done a great job stopping the run and guess what? Michigan has a really good running back who gets a lot of yards. yards but also michael pennix is a really good quarterback and michigan has stopped other quarterbacks but they haven't stopped a quarterback as good as michael pennix this it's just basically like just putting up the pros and cons of both teams all the way throughout and then the last line in the piece come monday night that trophy will board a team plane to a permanent home but who's the predator and who's the prey question mark end of article well i don't blame mike for

that though he wrote the piece and then somebody else put a headline on it that they thought people would click on and somebody's like oh that's a good line that's a good line well it worked that's

a headline did it click baited me right into it that's a good point you know what let's sorry mike

my bad but i mean your point is still legit like i think headline writing is really important and i

don't the article ends with who's the predator and who's the prey i was looking to mike varel to tell me who's the predator and who's the prey i know nothing i know i have no additional information

about who is the predator and who is the prey yeah that's that's real clickbaity as far as a as an

article headline is concerned for i'm in an information vacuum here andrew and i need i need facts i need somebody to tell me how emotionally invested i should get one thing that's really helped me with this journey of the university of washington getting to this level is that for the last i guess two big games the last that the end the pac-12 championship against oregon and then the game against texas i went into both of them with very low expectations and that has been actually that was really good for me it helped me maintain some sort of equilibrium and so i'm trying to kind of still do that i guess um but i don't i said to you in television's chris hayes as we were texting that this is i didn't realize until the huskies beat michigan or excuse me me until they beat Texas how kind of actually emotionally invested I've gotten in this team because college football you know the Huskies like I said they had a they were very good when I was younger and then they were pretty bad for a long time and it caused me to kind of emotionally distance myself and not be somebody who had every Saturday circled on a calendar like and who are the Huskies playing this week I just kind of checked out of it a little bit and so I thought that I had a kind of arm's length relationship with this team but boy when that pass was going from the texas quarterback into the end zone and then that uh husky cornerback slapped it away the last i don't know if you did you watch that the texas game yeah yeah i didn't realize until that moment i've been holding my breath for two straight hours i wish someone was timing it that would have been some kind of record well i thought i mean i was

one of those idiots who i was sort of i was sword i had i had that game on my laptop genevieve was somewhere else watching with a friend i think maybe more intently and i was just i had the laptop open i was playing darts and i was you know if i had to walk away from the dart area i'd take my laptop with me you know so sort of watching in that manner but i will say that in the last was it the last minute of the game or whatever it seemed like it was over and i was just like oh okay and i sort of kind of my mind started wandering i was like oh all they need is a first down to win this and then they didn't get the first down also and i was like wait what the fuck is going on this is still happening and the duskies might lose wait why do i care about this i thought i didn't care about college football but i'll tell you why i care now for what it's worth and i want to hear about what your plans are for watching tonight but as somebody who is not super invested in in college football at all or the huskies necessarily um i uh you know this whole narrative has really stirred up the right things in me and that is uh bitterness and pettiness because first of all rooting for an underdog and while like in most conversations i hear especially like in the context of like the cougs versus the huskies it's always like the the Cougs are the underdog I never think of the Huskies as the underdog but as I've been following this both in national media and local media like that is something that really that really lights the fires of of fandom in me is knowing that like you know the nation essentially has written off the Huskies several times again lead especially insultingly leading up to that that second Ducks game that they ended up winning that would have been what got them into the championship playoffs right I don't know what the name of that game is but whatever yeah well that was the Pac-12 championship oh that was the Pac-12 championship right so anyway so that's one thing but then also this this freaking Jim Harbaugh thing I'm just going to assume that everybody's kind of the people who are still listening are up to speed on this or not I'm not going to give context for everything but um for it for a change but um but you know this Jim Harbaugh thing I never liked him anyway going back to the rivalry between the Niners and the Seahawks and his pinched little face but um but even putting what about his his his slacks i don't think it's really slacks right his forever tonight pants yeah exactly get those a size or two too big and i'll be playing darts them forever but um but also just like it's really bothering me that we are taught as children that cheaters never win and it is becoming more and more clear that cheaters win look at the astros look at the patriots and now i'm already pre-mad at michigan if they win because Thank you. of their cheating scandal and it's just like and by the way how well how and i'm not super read up on it but how read up are you on that cheating scandal the guy who actually was buying the tickets so that he could have stallion or something first of all his last name is yes stallion or stallions and he was like for a while selling uh uh vacuum cleaners that people i didn't hear that part he's a vacuum cleaner salesman who actually had complaints from his neighbors and from his homeowners association because for a while he was storing broken vacuums

on his front porch what a dazzling deed i did not know that but i love it so anyway but like it's like if michigan wins this it's like no cheater the cheaters in professional or quasi professional sports which i think we can call college football right now yeah yeah um oh yeah buddy uh is just it's bullshit and i drop like that it drives oh yeah buddy it drives me bananas that if he wins this it's just going to be like he was able to like or i guess all of michigan was able to kind of rally around this idea of them being downtrodden because they got caught cheating and now they're the now they're the underdogs throughout all of this it's such bullshit well it was the funniest

thing because it was like and we've got you know listeners in michigan who are diehard wolverines fans and god bless you know i was a fab five fan i'm i'm not i don't i don't feel like i have a lot of animus towards michigan necessarily but it is funny i remember i can't remember where it was but where they were like you know this cheating scandal which the the scandal was basically that like uh michigan was accused of sending uh people to games that they weren't playing in to watch opponents and to basically film them and study them in ways that were photographically that were actually prohibited by the by the ncaa and it was all kind of coordinated by this connor stallions guy who had like 150 page manifesto like called like the michigan plan and as somebody said online you never hear the term manifesto and it's a good story i didn't

know about that i knew about the vacuums i didn't know about the manifesto that his life goal was

to be a michigan coach it's the only thing he's ever cared about and i mean he kind of did he kind of got there to some degree i mean he was but anyway all that is to say um when i heard that like the punishment they're like jim harbaugh will be punished for and then it was like he will have to miss the last two games of the regular season i was like huh do you think it's possible that he can like have his assistant coaches coach the last two presumably not super hard games of michigan's schedule before he then comes back for the title run like it was the slappiest slap on the wrist that's ever been slapped obviously like you want to punish a guy be like you're done for the season right like yeah the idea that you just have to miss a and I didn't I didn't have the Michigan schedule in front of me some will email in and go

well actually they had to play it was like three I think but who did I'm

wondering who they even played in those games that I don't know yeah like it just felt like well yeah I mean first of all like anyway I but but um I I think well if you want to know how I'm gonna watch the game tonight by myself pacing around in an on a non-existent kitchen because right now the living room area of my house it does have a couch it does have a television as a working HDMI cable not to brag has no functioning kitchen I do have a kitchen the old weird one I'm going to make myself a little dinner and then I'm going to just pace and holler and probably text you in the text chain and that is my plan for for watching the game I and I'm going to I really am going to try to go into it with a with a sense of excitement that we made it this far which I know it's feels like kind of beta cook behavior but i just i don't know preserve yourself i think if you i

think hope can be a i mean first of all in the grand scheme of things sports aren't important

right so yeah i mean literally that's a good thing to remember yeah it really is so it's like

because i can take the like again when you get into this cheating stuff or whatever i can get a chip on my shoulder just as a fan whatever i'm rooting for and you can take it so personally and they're just like what are you doing you know and again i'm not preaching to you i'm just saying that that's the trap i fall into and so every now and then remembering like hey maybe go into this with lower expectations so that i don't like tear my guts out over this game have you seen the david

ferenthal reporting in the times uh speaking of our friend dave ross's favorite interview subject the pulitzer prize winner david ferenthal no that doesn't ring a bell he's writing on um uh the ncaa now and basically the payment of players and like it's so insane what happens at the college level now because basically you have you know uh college athletes are not allowed to be paid for their play or based on how well they play like they would be in the nba or wnba or nfl or whatever but they are allowed to be played paid for their name image and likeness so promotional stuff like you're you're so what happens is you have all these boosters by the way I'm sure this happens. at the UW I'm not saying that the Huskies are above this what the what people do now is they start a charity and the charity is started by a bunch of super rich boosters of let's say the University of Washington Huskies or the Michigan Wolverines and then all these rich people donate all this money to this charity which is tax-deductible because it's called like David Farenthold was writing about something called like hearts for horns because it's the university of Texas thing or horn hearts or something.

You write those at grocery outlet.

Everybody's got a horny heart, I think. So you, you, you, you're a booster, you're super rich person. You, you donate all this money to this charity, which by the way is tax deductible, and then you hire an athlete that you really want to come play for your college, you pay them in some cases like $750,000 to write one social media post a month about your charity and you pay them and the people that they tend to pay with this are like linemen because if you're a college football team you really need a good offensive line but nobody is trying to put joe nose tackle wait is nose tackle it's always confusing because i think nose tackle is that an offensive line man or is that a defensive line let me look that up

That's funny. I always hear that, but I'm not sure. I guess that's a defensive tackle. Nose tackle is a nose guard.

Okay, nose tackle, you tackle, and then, like, nose guard, I guess you guard. You know, it's not as confusing as I thought. Those actually totally make sense.

Well, actually, wait, hold on. I may have confused you more there. I'm looking at Wikipedia. I just Googled this really quickly, so I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just reading. It says nose tackle, also nose guard or middle guard is a defensive alignment position.

Oh, so maybe I think nose guard, I guess you're guarding that part of the field from someone running on it. Maybe that's why I always thought it was confusing. as opposed to like you're guarding the quarterback here's what I'm trying to say Andrew what these organizations do what hearts for horns and again I'm sure somebody at the UW every major school now what they do is they start this charity they start a charity group these rich people donate all the money this money to the charity the charity is used to pay like an obscure but important position player to come to the school and pay them a bunch of money to be part of to promote this charity because this position player particularly like a line lineman is not going to be somebody who's getting a bunch of money for their name and image they're not the quarterback they're not a wide receiver they're not a quote-unquote sexy position where you're like gonna actually get a bunch of nil money but you need these linemen so what you do is figure out this like arbitrage to pay them to come play for your university because their text they're they're xing once a month about horns horny hearts it is a crazy world it really that's why i don't have to care that much andrew because this is all insane it really is yeah i mean

especially what's going on right now as the as yeah college athletics tries to figure itself out and also just like the weirdness of the Pac-12 going away like what a weird what a weird year like if right if everything had just been shifted like the Pac-12 could potentially have been saved by just the what happened I mean even the even the popularity of Oklahoma and you know what I mean coach Dion uh what are we supposed to call him coach prime yeah right that's and that's Oklahoma right I think that's Colorado oh Colorado sorry they both have O's in them in my defense um so so i was omaha i was mostly right but anyway trippers i just sort of wonder like you know with the success of the pack 12 this season could things have been too late could it still exist it was a movie just been yeah it's like so i mean honestly this really

is the bikini car wash of a conference like as in in the movies it's always like how are we going save the fraternity and then you'd like do some like in revenge of the nerds you win the greek games and therefore your fraternity is not delisted the lambda lambda lambda fraternity is not delisted this is that it's like they're going to cancel our conference we're going to cancel them and win the national championship and then like they don't cancel the pac-12 they don't disband the pac-12

except in this case i think the huskies kind of they were one of the one of the dominoes to like I kind of push the conference away, I suppose. That was a weird way of putting that. That didn't make sense. But I don't know if the Huskies really, they're not like a victim of this. Like maybe the Cougs would be the ones putting on the car wash, I guess.

I would say that the real problem is like USC and UCLA who bolted and then created a situation was like, do you want to be the last person holding the bomb? Right, exactly. And the Huskies were like, and Oregon were like, we don't. This is why we did this at the end of the show, Andrew, and at the beginning.

because i am so annoying when i talk about this okay but we do have oh i said something about

i still don't know what i was going for with that dominoes analogy but uh that i don't know if i can blade that out anyway i got a whole bunch of stuff i want to cut out of today's show that i don't think is going to be cuttable but um i wanted to say something because i was thinking about something i wanted to raise with you this is kind of foot this is very football related uh but then goes to a broader point that is a somewhat of a correction i'd like to make here I was hearing some commentator I think it was some national person on some random weekend show I had on the other day saying that it's interesting because Michigan is essentially like right now as it's built specifically built to beat Ohio State because even while you know the the team had some success under Harbaugh the past however long he's been there now seven years or something he still kept losing to the rivaled and the much hated Ohio State. and so even though they were having some success they kept losing in this rivalry game which had the fan bases like super you know amped up and that you know i have a lot of family members who root for ohio state now and that really is an interesting thing to note that like in a certain way success really comes down to that one game a year it's like their version of the apple cup and the reason i bring this up now is first of all i think it's interesting somebody was sort of making the argument that the huskies you know this isn't the michigan team is not a team that was built to beat the Huskies they were built to beat Ohio State so I took that to be like sort of advantageous for the Huskies secondly though that reminds me oh no the final game of the season is that rivalry game between Michigan and Ohio State in the same way the Apple Cup is the last game of the regular season here so actually Harbaugh not being on the sideline it wasn't like a throwaway game those suspensions it would have been to most fans the most important game of the year having said that like at that point how much is he the play caller I don't even know but like I don't know like with I think it was a wasn't even a self-imposed suspension like whatever like I'm sure that they didn't have any significant I don't know downgrading of their ability to play football games just because one individual wasn't on the sidelines during the actual game right

Right. Yeah. I tend to think that those systems are so kind of codified and that there's like there are in a typical football game. There's probably there are probably like five judgment call moments that the head coach really does make a judgment call. but everything else is just like there's just there's a laminated list as long as doesn't blow out of the cockpit you just go down in distance it's this scenario and this is what the this is what the math says right this is why in the nfl you just see people going for it in all these situations now that would have been unheard of five years ago because now it's just like well that's the math we've got this laminated card and it says when you're this close to the first down and it's this situation you just you kind of just do this thing i thought and then are we gonna do we i mean we've all i've only been gone for i don't know a week since germany uh there's probably eight million emails and v-mails waiting but um i'll play one voicemail for you that i got

so we don't have to belabor but did you have one more point on this well i was gonna say i found

it shocking that during the seahawk game yesterday in the fourth quarter it was the first challenge flag that the coach of the arizona cardinals has thrown all season oh really how does that happen The guy hasn't challenged, and he won, by the way, Jonathan Gannon. That was the first challenge flag he'd thrown all season. That was wild to me. I don't understand. Maybe it's because the Seahawks have old man Carroll, who's just like throwing those things. I don't think he knows what the red flag means. I think he just enjoys throwing that.

It's just fun. You know what? It does look fun, by the way.

Nobody wants to tell him that it's a whole thing when you throw that flag.

He seems to enjoy it. Just let him have it. Let him have it.

We don't want to ruin his Sunday. Just let him chuck it. But I can't believe that a guy, like an NFL head coach, it made me kind of respect him. It was like, damn, talk about the Shaolin Wei. That's some ghost dog shit. I mean, how did you go a whole season keeping your chi?

Well, they won four games, right? Or something. I don't know. Maybe I'm exaggerating. Okay, we got to get off sports talk. I mean, obviously, we're just doing a no point now. Do you want me to activate the sound effect? Not yet. Hold on one second. I do want to just circle back to one thing that you said at the very beginning of the show, and you promised we could talk about it. You said that I could throw the flag and we could talk about this. Oh, yeah, buddy. But when I was watching that Huskies game against the Longhorns, and you can sort of picture me watching on my laptop paying attention, but also playing darts or whatever, I did hear a commentator say that Steve Sarkeesian, the Texas coach, maps out I thought he said the first 48 plays of the game scripts them out and doesn't deviate and I wasn't sure if I heard that

correctly and i wasn't sure what the con i mean obviously it's notable for if that not every coach does that otherwise it wouldn't be notable during a broadcast but to what degree are coaches just like scripting out plays and not deviating from it no matter what because once the once the commentator said that i noticed that at one point texas was like third and 28 and they ran the ball and i guess yeah you're really sticking to the script i i had no context for that that sounds

bananas i've heard that many times about i think it varies i think you have some coaches that are very into their their play schedule as it were and they love to do that and i don't know what they think they get out of and then other coaches that don't 50 seems like a lot because that's like five ten play drives that could be like the whole game pretty much and what i don't understand about that i've never really given it a ton of thought but you're right like okay you scripted it but if you're third and 18 and the script says our ninth play is supposed to be a draw a run do you how would you do like you'd think that this quote unquote script would need to also have built in to it like our constitution andrew it should have some flexibility built into it so that it can change with our changing times like you can't just like so what i don't even understand how that works okay so the 12th play is supposed to be a 40 yard bomb what do you do if you're on the one yard line right exactly you throw it 40 30 yards into the stands like I don't even get what that means somebody will explain it to us but like there's no way that that that can't mean what I think it means because just think about this you're on the five yard line and your script says this is where we run a 20 yard out route you don't do that because you can't even go that far on the field anymore there must there must be something about that when they're saying it that way that it's not meaning that 50 plays are planned it's like 50 plays based on scenario

or something i yeah i'm trying to read into this now i'm looking at uh the i'm reading from the bamma hammer uh players like following sarkisian's script scripting plays as a cornerstone of west coast offenses anyway i'd be interested in reading more about that i won't pick your brain any more about it but yeah i was kind of gobsmacked about that because again when they were again third and 28 or 26 and they ran the ball i was like i guess they really like you just don't you just don't consider context in these situations well it's like uh again i've heard that many many times in

my life of watching football but i never actually thought about how much that couldn't really work if you think about it because of how dynamic the situation is like it doesn't and maybe that third down run was just because they didn't think they were going to be able to get the first and they were trying to you know get some better field position or something i can't imagine there's no reasonable world in which you have 50 plays and you do them no matter what the circumstances are

because it just would be lunacy that's what i felt yeah also sarkisian is not allowed to be on the ballot in maine i've heard that was a that was a call back to your constitution joke

did i tell you about the time i heard your friend uh josh rogers on on atc this was actually before the winter games but i thought he was rick santorum no do they sound what is that santorum

sort of delivery my friend josh he sounded like i was listening to it was a two-way and it was

basically i think it was with someone from iowa public radio and someone from new hampshire and you can imagine it was like kind of looking to the new hampshire primary and the and the iowa primary or caucuses in iowa and i heard somebody talking and it was i think it was whoever it was in iowa and then it was i turned on the radio actually i think it might have been my dad and i in the truck and i was like thinking huh they're interviewing desantis and then of course you know my brain goes into this whole like so is he switching up his media strategy because he's you know clearly not getting anywhere with the maga people maybe he's trying to i'm like doing this whole thing and then i just said like josh rogers from new hampshire public radio and clay travis from no clay travis is that weird right wing sports from barstool sports weighing in on the

Iowa caucuses.

Exactly. But anyway, they were listing who the folks were, and it was totally your buddy.

And I was like, I swear to God, I thought he was DeSantis. Because of the voice. You thought it was DeSantis because of the voice? Because of the voice. Delivery? I guess I'm not as familiar because Josh.

I think you need to integrate. When you do your Josh Rogers impression, you need to integrate more DeSantis.

Okay, just more like from a policy perspective. Yes, exactly.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. oh man it's not from a female all right my friend all right you know I don't we're not overloaded

with voicemails and emails because a lot of the stuff people are reacting to was um you know a couple of weeks ago or what have you but I did really enjoy this voicemail that we

got from our pal nick the perfect 10 who's in connecticut right now um and used to be in florida um but you were talking about mips a while back now this was not a term i was familiar with but it stands for minor in possession and were we talking about in bellingham like the drug i was

saying that i think there was something up there that i'd heard about from i think from my little brother who went to college up there uh sammy that although it could have also been my daughter and And the fact that my daughter and my brother were in college at the same time is, you know, interesting. But anyway, that there was something up there that was called the party bus, which is such a misleading name. Because what it actually was, was the police who would go around and break up college parties and ID everyone. And the people that were not old enough to be drinking would then be put on the bus, locked on the bus, I guess, and then taken down to the station to get a minor in possession. And somebody, either my brother or my daughter, somebody hid in an attic for like three or four hours waiting because the party got busted. They hid out from the cops and they managed to outlast the party bus.

Ah, see, aha, that's how you do it. Well, Nick has a story, but now not in Bellingham, but Nick does have a story about his own MIP experience.

Nick, Connecticut. Luke mentioned, or during the dazzling donors, mentioned MIP. I got an MIP when I was in college. I went to a house party. And for the uninitiated, MIP stands for a minor in possession of alcohol. and i was at a party and uh i was underage and i was having i it was just like it was one beer and someone yelled cops and i turned i threw my cup and turned and someone was walking towards me and then he grabbed my arm said hey what's up he said i said i don't know at that point it's all just kind of blurry and then i lied about my age and he said are you sure about that And I said, no. You sure about that's why? I ended up paying a $250 fine and doing 24 hours of community service. And I worked at a soup kitchen in the area. And it was actually a pretty good situation where we helped, me and a bunch of other people, helped get the food ready. We cleaned all the dishes. And then they gave us leftover food. So we actually got food out of it. And then I'll never forget, because the one woman said, thank you for being kind and letting us work here to serve our time. And she said, will you come back on your own time? And I said, no. She said, you know what? You're the first person to be honest with me about that. So thank you for being honest. And I said, you're welcome. But yeah, don't drink if you're underage. Or do, and then you'll help out in your local community. So up to you. Okay. Thanks. Bye.

I really like that power out. First of all, I really do like that honesty as well. It must have been so refreshing as opposed to hear somebody say, oh, yeah, sure. I'm going to look at my schedule and I'm really looking forward to being here again. Check my Palm Pilot. You know that person doesn't even have a Palm Pilot.

Also, what's funny about that coming from Nick the Perfect Ten is what I know of our friend Nick is that he is an absolute sweetheart and a pillar of the community and probably is the kind of person who would go volunteer and help out. More than like I would, I'm terrible. I'm the opposite of a pillar of the community. I'm an underminer of the community But you know he's in college

He's a young person He's like why not Why lie about this No I'm not in a position where I'm going to be volunteering Anytime soon That's fine not everybody has to do that

That version of events though that Nick just told us Sounds like exactly the version he told his parents That's exactly what it is I had one sip of one beer Like I just got there They handed me a beer I turn around it's a cop That's not like I did. I was like I was being like I was a member of Bill's Mafia and I was jumping off the roof of a house onto a flaming table completely blacked out on Goldschlager.

Well, that is the that was the one part of my brain kind of got it kind of tripped up a little bit on the voicemail because he says that he got rid of his copy, threw it away. And then he then he a cop approaches him. Right. And like, you know, let's just say let's just say that that's exactly how it went down. And although I also believe that, like, there's probably so much adrenaline and fear going through him in the moment that it all got blurry, like Nick said. But, like, that's one of those situations where if you actually are not holding a cup and the cop has never seen you holding the cup and you got rid of it, you could just say, well, prove it. Like, I'm just standing here. My friend is here and I haven't had anything to drink. But obviously, like, as a young person, like, you just can't because the cop could just say, OK, great. Well, we'll we'll we'll see about this. Like, we'll get your parents involved and we'll see. It's just like you don't even have the option to really stand up for yourself. Maybe some people would be self-possessed enough to do it, but I would be just like Nick the first thing and be like, I'm sorry, here are my wrists, put handcuffs on me, I'm a bad, bad boy. Actually, this is getting into more bedroom talk.

than I was expecting, so my apologies for that.

Yeah, exactly. Just talking about your ghiat again.

Digging out your ghiat for the Rizzler. You are back. You're so scared.

Did you miss this during the Winter Games?

Well, I'll tell you what, and this is not to criticize our listeners at all. I like to do that during the thank you section of the donation of the day. No, definitely.

Try to get it close to when the donations are being honored.

Right, exactly. No, but you mentioned on the show, like, over the years, There are certain topics that we are associated with now, like, you know, like back in the day when you and Jen and Sean were talking about juggalos so much that meant that for years and years and years, anything juggalo related, people would send you guys, you know, clips or links or whatever, because that was an obsession. or people sort of learned about that culture for the first time hearing about it on tbtl um and so now because of that like anything that is related to like gen alpha slang or guillot or whatever like it's all we're catching it all it's all coming our way i don't know if you noticed that when you were mining under your house for your emails as you were saying earlier

i am really excited to talk to you about let's put that on the schedule for tomorrow okay i want to tell you about two things uh tomorrow i'll tell you about the underground mining operation in herndon virginia that i've been personally following um and then i want to tell you about um a swing and i think a fairly substantial swing and a miss for me with somebody who was uh trying to give me some phone help today this morning and uh it was the kind of thing was like a slow speed crash i could see i could see it happening a mile away and i couldn't

stop it from happening so maybe that's something that you did or said not something that i did and

No, it's just something I said. But in saying it, I chose to say it. I said what I said. So tomorrow we'll talk about underground mining and me undermining my relationship with the Senlar loan servicing people. So tune in for that, everybody. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Try to stay warm and dry if you're somewhere where it's cold and wet, like here in the Northwest. Go Huskies. And if not, go Michigan. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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Power out.