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Bro, I can't believe we almost let Aaron Rodgers host Jeopardy. The contestants would be like, What is the Center for Disease Control? And Aaron Rodgers would be like, That's my question exactly.

Well, I just wanted to say a friendly hello in an unfriendly way.

Hello. I yell at you because I love you. You listen to me because you love me. Is this a weird dynamic? Yeah, sure, from the outside.

Well, I think I'm looking forward to cracking up. I hope I can, like, you know, totally crack up. So, I haven't, like, totally cracked up in a long time.

I'm sorry, but when I hear an undeserved compliment, it makes my ears want to throw up. Oh, your ears are always throwing up about something.

It's kind of weird. I feel like I'm being interrogated, but by someone who doesn't really want to know anything important.

Hey, where's the freaking gabagoo?

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Why don't you purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka? My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

Back away, banana breath. What the hell did you just eat, a banana?

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty, and today frigid Columbia, it is it is snowy up here

my friends. Snow, snow and more

snow. I think the elevation is maybe like 500 feet. That doesn't seem like you would make that much of a difference but from what I'm hearing the lowlands, the other places down at kind of what sea level, river level are not seeing much snow accumulation but up here it's like, I don't know four or five inches. I had to sort of make my way through the snow to come from my house out here to the Madrona Hill studio. It's wintry up here, but as we always say, it's warm and dry here inside the studio, and we're ready for episode 4,116 in a collector's series.

Let the fun begin.

Aaron Rodgers, the football quarterback and all-around galaxy-brained individual, has not apologized to television host Jimmy Kimmel over his sort of basically leading people to believe that Jimmy Kimmel had some association with Jeffrey Epstein or was going to have turned out to have flown on his plane. What an idiot. There's no evidence of that. There's also no evidence of Aaron Rodgers apologizing for saying that on a widely watched podcast, The Pat McAfee Show. Speaking of airplanes, Alaska Airlines they're not wasting any time they are offering cash settlement to people who happen to be on that airplane where the door fell off. That cash could really get me out of a couple of jams and I'll be honest with you, it doesn't seem like enough money to me, although I do I do have some thoughts on what Alaska could offer people as a way of you know, showing their remorse over the situation So we'll talk about that, too. Plus, we're going to talk to this guy. He's the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He wants to clear one thing up right here at the beginning of the program.

Everything you're about to see is my real voice.

He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Chris is leaving the studio. He's not going to hear this. Did I recognize that voice? Great recognition.

I didn't know if you were going to be able to place that. And, of course, I don't have that feller's name right in front of me.

He's a popular TikToker. We've narrowed that down. Yes. He's the guy who did a cover. We're about to see some serious voices.

That's his Doc Brown impression from the same video.

Oh, okay. And he also does the Fred Flintstone, the divorced Fred Flintstone parody that I've played. I'm looking for this now. I'm going to just find the original.

His name is SomeGuyMark on TikTok.

SomeGuyMark. Yes, that's it. Exactly. He also does sort of the conspiracy-minded podcast host impression, which I enjoy a great deal. But I'm glad that I recognize that. I didn't know that I was taking a quiz. You were.

I mean, you passed it, Andrew. Let me just play you. Can I play you the full thing from some guy, Mark? I love this guy. On TikTok. We'll see if this works. This audio can always be a little annoying.

Everything you're about to see is my real voice. I am not using AI filters. This is not a dub. I am not lip syncing. In the words of Doc Brown, if my calculations are correct, you're about to see some serious voices.

That's the tape.

I love this guy so much.

If my calculations are correct, Andrew, you're about to see some serious voices.

I'm thinking about maybe spending more time.

time on tiktok i know that that sounds like a ridiculous thing to say but i say it earnestly

i had that thought last night because you sent me um oh i know that was ian carmel we started the show with the great ian carmel the comedian um originally from portland oregon uh talking

about aaron rogers i didn't realize that he's sort of a known commodity i figured he might be on tiktok but even outside of tiktok that ian carmel is a he was the head writer or the co-head

Writer for the Late Late Show with James Corden

Oh okay

And so he's a fairly Well known comedy individual Above and beyond TikTok but I do follow him on TikTok And he's a great follow

And you sent me that yesterday and you said this might make some good intro tape It was that Aaron Rodgers tape we heard at the beginning Of the show and I You know I clicked on the link And for the first time in weeks I found myself on TikTok I only find Myself on TikTok when you send me Possible intro tape from TikTok And then you scroll through a little bit you know once you're there you're there it does a good job of locking you in and i didn't go down some sort of a tick tock k hole or anything i watched a few and i put it down it seemed fine but i was like you know what really struck me luke let's be earnest here for a moment okay we were talking about the alaska airline story which will be coming up later on in the show today but we were talking about it earlier this week as well of course it's a huge story and you had mentioned seeing some visuals from that story that i had not seen and i had read a lot about it but i'd read only print articles and for whatever reason i'd read print articles that didn't have a lot of like kind of media that went along with it aside from like a lot of charts and graphs of what like schematics of what the insides of these airplanes look like etc um and i thought to myself for a second how did luke see this video you're not you're not on twitter anymore for real this all happened in a heartbeat of a moment during a show earlier this week i'm like you're not on Twitter anymore. I'm not on Twitter anymore. I mean, I see shit on Instagram, but my Instagram is kind of weird. It's mostly people posting about self-help shit. Shout out, by the way, to everybody I follow and your mental health. It's important. But that is mostly the vibe of my IG stuff. And so I said, how did you see this video? You said TikTok. I'm like, of course. I still think of TikTok as a place that doesn't really appeal to me because It's a bunch of, you know, people dancing and doing whatever. And then I also hear about the addictive nature of it. And I'm like, I don't need that. Like, I remember that the empty feeling I used to get when I couldn't stop scrolling on Facebook and I wasn't enjoying myself, but I couldn't stop scrolling. So I ditched Facebook and then eventually, for other reasons, ditched Twitter. And I don't feel like I'm missing anything in my life until that moment. I was like, oh, I am missing actual information, like what it looked like on that airplane when a big chunk of the fuselage blew off.

Well, because the person who posted that to TikTok appears to be, I'm guessing that this woman is, you know, probably in her 20s. And if you are in your 20s and you're on an airplane and a door falls off, probably, and you're taping it on your phone or you're the aftermath of that, probably the place that you're going to go post about that would be on Instagram or on TikTok. so it is for certain kinds of stories it actually has become a pretty good place to to go for stuff i don't know if this was if i saw this on tiktok or somewhere else but the uh the truly stunning thing and i don't know maybe should we just uh should we just talk about the story now we're kind of already on the dancing around it yeah like um the just more and more seems to be coming out about this whole situation on the airplane and one of the things i saw again i don't remember where but this was another example andrew of something that i saw that you had yet to observe because you're still going with old media and i'm i'm more of kind of a emerging new media guy yeah

no i'm reading like i actually have my newspapers yellowed before they get to my door before you're

waiting for a daguerreotype to come out of what the airplane looked like i wanted to look like an wanted poster but um no uh another thing that i saw was a photo of the the the the young person the person i guess under the age of 18 who had their shirt fly off of them like uh and out presumably out the gaping maw in the side of the airplane and then the the the conversation was with the mother of this person so the initial reporting on the story was basically there was a child who had their shirt ripped off by the force of the of the of the wind and the depressurization of the plane so of course my mind is just like imagining like a two-year-old or something and and it's like oh my gosh can you imagine how scary it is then uh somebody gets a hold of the uh of the the people in question this mom and her son it turns out the son is i don't know, I'm going to say 14 or 15, pretty healthy sized guy. Like, you know, I wouldn't want to go 12 rounds with him like not quite an adult but definitely a a more grown-up person than i was picturing in my mind's eye when i just read the account and somehow there's a picture of him and the mom and uh he's shirtless and i i'm i don't know if i saw that on tiktok or somewhere else but i didn't see it in the new york times and that's i love the new york times i pay a lot of money to the new york times every year you know what i pay a lot of money to

the god dang new yorker oh yeah i think we are i gotta trick them into thinking i'm gonna not

do that anymore and maybe the david remnick will give me a deal or something have you thought

about going digital only or is that one that has to be physical media well i that's this is hold on

let me reboot this music that's a whole other media conversation andrew because what's happening with i i very very rarely read a physical copy of the new yorker anymore um i listen to the new yorker radio hour a lot i really like it i read it online i'll read articles online when they come through my my news stream but i don't sit down maybe once a month at the most i might sit down with an a print edition of the new yorker and leaf through it so yes i could do digital only But that means that I've officially admitted to myself that I am not a person who will probably for the rest of my life read the physical media of The New Yorker. And that makes me feel a certain way about myself that I just don't. So it's sort of like an aspirational thing to continue getting hundreds of these magazines, hundreds of editions of The New Yorker. And then the funniest part is in the summertime, when they send one of those double up ones, like old Archie's double digest, but the classier version. And I'll look at it and the date will be like two months of July. I'll be like, fuck you. Because you feel like. Because I feel like I'm paying for two magazines. I'm getting one magazine. I'll never read any of them. Like what's going on in my brain that when I get that, like I have.

So I couldn't tell if you were saying like the double digestiness of it. The double digestiness of it all was like another glut of information that you were going to feel pressure to read. But no, you were more like, I'm not getting it's like I'm getting 11 a year instead of 12.

The soup is terrible and the portions are too small. Right. Yeah. I'm not reading these magazines in this form. They're just piling up. I mean, let's see. I'm looking around. Oh, yeah. There's like easily 20 of them in here. If I were to go into the house, there's another, in one of the rooms, there's literally probably 40 New Yorkers that I haven't messed with. But I forget that I'm, and by the way, I don't want this to make anyone feel a certain way about donating to TBTL because we love and appreciate you. And we really couldn't do this if we didn't have donors. But I just like, what happens is once a year, I realized that Condi Nast has withdrawn 250 bucks from my account. And I'm like, what the what? and then i get mad and then i picture you know david remnick's little face or um you know of some of the other great writers at the new yorker and people who i really admire tad friend the like um and i i just go okay fine uh this is just this is this is the cost of doing business in a what in in the version of the society that i would like to exist which is where the new yorker is still publishing great stuff and uh and and it's being delivered to my house and maybe andrew maybe i'll read it here on a on a snowy snowy wednesday i know we're now talking about the airline thing but my goodness it is really really snowing down here in fact you know what i'm going to do i'm going to make a little video so right now andrew i'm doing two kinds of media creation i'm talking to you on this microphone and i'm using my cellular phone to uh record some video of how snowy it is here and it's significant and it's not stopping like there are large wet snowflakes that are falling it's not raining where i am it's it's it's only the snow is only increasing and it it makes me wonder if i'm going to get trapped up here you know multiple time times throughout the winter because i can see across the river i can see other places there's like no snow there's just localized to being kind of on the top of this hill is it definitely snow

is it potentially fake snow is somebody spoofing you have you looked outside your window and looked up huh I didn't even consider that if it's only falling on your house that might be a spoof

is this the Truman Show I do have the same last name as that character which is always oh I didn't know that his character is Truman Burbank in that movie oh god I would have never known that but um anyway uh yeah I I have to go I have to go down the mountain today Andrew to get some provisions Like I really do. and um and i'm it's weird because i live on a hill but also you have to go down a hill to get to my house i guess the appropriate way to describe is i live midway up a hill so what that means is i to get out of here i've got to drive up a fairly steep little road and i'm not so much worried about driving up it i'm worried about driving back down it to my house because if If I figure out, you know, midway down the hill coming back to my house that I don't have great control over the vehicle, I'm going right into the living room of the house that me and my dad just got done painting. That would not be good for anybody, including my bank account. So, I mean, I do have those weird snow sock things that I once used when I was leaving yours in Genevieve's house, and they actually worked fine, but I don't feel like dealing with them. This is the new frontier of chains on your car, and it's like a big fabric donut. You put one on each of your front wheels, and then it kind of does the same thing as chains would do, and I guess it's probably considered a little bit less of a hassle. But I don't even want to deal with that. I want to just get in my car and drive down to town and get some fixings for dinner and also buy some pellet stove fuel, because in the last two days I've burned through 40 pounds of pellet wood, Andrew. Because it's the only heat source in my house right now. And I don't know if I can get down off this dang hill.

You know, I grew up, as you know, Luke, in a pretty rural area. And there's something cozy about the idea of like, oh, we see that a storm is coming. You get ready for it and you just have to hunker down. Of course, during one of the biggest snowstorms of my childhood, that was also when I fell down the stairs and my glasses gashed into my forehead. And my parents had to brave like we were ready to hunker down for like two days. And then they had to get like emergency medical care.

That's real like that's one part Harry Potter, one part that Twilight Zone episode we're obsessed with. Yeah. Well, you know, third part misery.

No, you know. Well, OK. And then fourth part Little House on the Prairie, because my doctor was just like a family doctor from Little House. He operated, it was one of the only reasons we would go into downtown Valley City, which was just like a little stretch of maybe a quarter mile, maybe a half mile stretch of a few businesses that still looked very old western-y, honestly. Valley City, Ohio.

Was he also a large animal veterinarian?

Most likely. I was his large animal that day. And I remember my parents had to try to, they called him, somehow got a hold of him at home or something. And he had to also brave the weather to get to his little office so he could stitch me up. I remember being a very, I was very young in a very surreal situation, but I was just going to say that, like, while the, you know, injury aside, there is something kind of cozy about that idea of being someplace where you're a little bit cut off and you just have to. But I do think that me growing up in places like that is what drove me as an adult to very much never want to be cut off like that again. Like where I live right now, we're bracing for some snow, too. That's going to come later in the week. I've already got the snow shovel and the ice out of the garage. I'm so glad I got that last year. The first time I'll be prepared for a snowfall in Seattle. But like worse comes to worse, I can walk two blocks to, you know, get myself a Yoohoo or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's not I don't live in the most I don't live in the most charming part of Seattle necessarily. It's not what they put on the posters. But for me, it's like I feel so good knowing that I will never be completely cut off from society or a 7-Eleven, if that makes sense.

Yeah, I'm very much cut off from society and or a 7-Eleven up here. And to be honest with you, like this weekend, like you said, there's another system moving through the Northwest. And I'm actually kind of looking forward to this weekend because I'm going to make sure I have lots of food and supplies and lots of pellet wood to to to heat things. And then I'm very down to kind of like have a hunkered down weekend where it's beautiful and snowy outside and and I'm just watching Netflix or staring at a pile of New Yorker magazines that I am not going to actually open and read. Anyway, I'm okay with that. Today, I just didn't plan it super well. And so I am getting a little bit of that feeling of like, what if, because I also don't, you know, it's like, what if this is something that happens like six times a year to me up here in the wintertime where it's pretty much normal everywhere else. But on my little perch of this hill, it's like, oh, yeah, you're trapped now. Like, I'll have to figure something out. I'll have to get way better at putting those snow socks on or, I don't know, figure it out in some way. But it's it's kind of a mixed feeling today of appreciating the beauty, but also wondering if I'm actually stuck. Yeah, right. Yeah. Also, I have all this bamboo that is completely flattened by the snow and it's kind of an interesting experience. because i like bamboo a lot in fact i feel like i have been a long-running uh defendant of i've been trying to do a lot of reputational repair on behalf of bamboo i think bamboo is a beautiful and lovely plant i think it looks cool i think it's a nice visual barrier uh people if you ever plant bamboo or have bamboo anywhere the first thing they'll say is well that's going to go everywhere i have not found that to be the case it's certainly not as bad as people say it's like We don't live in a world covered in bamboo. So if that theory that it just runs and you'll never get on top of it, if that was true, wouldn't we all, wouldn't every square inch of natural earth be covered in bamboo by now?

Wasn't The Last of Us a cautionary tale about bamboo but told in an allegory version?

That's what I heard. Nick Offerman recently won a Golden Globe for his performance in that bamboo parable. but so i've had there's just there's this stand if you will of bamboo this section of bamboo that somebody you know long before i got here planted and i've always kind of liked it um because i again i'm just a fan of of bamboo i think it's sort of a nice thing to look at well it's got so much snow on it that it's completely laid down right now i'm guessing that when the snow melts it will kind of it will spring back to its normal thing but what i'm getting is a preview of what my life would be like without this bamboo curtain and and it's kind of cool like it's from where i'm standing right now talking to you it sort of opens up a little bit even more of a visual kind of path to see down on the mighty columbia and you know i don't know it's it's it's interesting to get to do it's a real sort of a george bailey what if this bamboo was never born kind of a situation and it's got me wondering if maybe maybe i should just go ahead

and mow it down this summer hmm yeah i well you know it's gonna grow back anyway luke you can't

run it's gonna run all over the place run wild okay so back to alaska airlines um the uh the news today is that they're offering everyone who was on the flight uh fifteen hundred dollars to quote assist with any inconveniences uh this was uh andrea sacks natalie b compton and a sylvia that Foster Frau writing in the Washington Post. So they also are refunding the cost of the ticket. So if you were on that flight and you had to change, go through all of that and then whatever, you're also not getting charged for your ticket apparently. But then they're offering them $1,500. And kind of interesting piece because they interviewed some people who were on the flight to ask them if they were gonna take the 1,500. And they talked to a guy named Nicholas Hawk, who's 33 years old, and said, I'm not sure how this is going to affect me in the coming weeks and months, you know? Basically, he goes on to say, I might need therapy over this, and I don't know if $1,500, how much therapy that's going to pay for, which seemed like a reasonable point to me. So I wonder how many people, if any, will take... 1,500 seems low based on what they went through. Certainly for that shirtless teen and his mom, who, oh, to finish that up, The mom apparently, when the door blew out and the shirt flew off her son, also the headrest of his seat flew off from the wind. So this was a major event. She apparently grabbed him and dragged him across the armrest. This woman said, it's the most adrenaline I've ever felt in my life, which kind of makes sense.

i think i read this story um again no visuals for me just yellowed newsprint um crackling and disintegrating between my old fingers but um it was actually shirts right like when you said you first saw the early reports about a shirt flying off of somebody you pictured more of a toddler i pictured somebody maybe like 10 years old or something but i couldn't for the life of me and And I would actually in my head like kind of try to figure out what kind of shirt would blow off. Is it a button down that's kind of loose? No, for real. Because if it's something that clings to you, if it's a tight T-shirt, it seems like that's less likely, right? But according to this article I read, and correct me if I misunderstood how it was written, but sounds like it was kind of a T-shirt and a hoodie or a T-shirt and something pulled over it and they both went whiffing out the door.

you know uh that's a that's new and maybe andrew maybe this is why it's good that you're engaging with old media maybe you're getting more details you're not getting a tiktok video over some like memefied song like monkeys spinning monkeys with just kind of the visuals and you in a waffle house for some reason yeah i know um stop using my content um i'm trying to see i'm looking at an article on cnn teen who lost shirt due to hole in plane moved to sit with her hear what happened next uh cnn's aaron burnett speaks with a passenger on the alaska airlines flight about what happened after a piece of the plane ripped out of the side of the aircraft fuselage shortly after takeoff i'm actually wondering now if what i actually saw the photograph that i saw was that i thought was the teen and the mom was the teen and someone else oh i think so yeah i think because i just

saw this since we've been talking it looks like he took a selfie with a younger another young person on the flight maybe around his age by the way the quote i was looking for here this is from I read this in the Seattle Times. I'm guessing this might have been a national write-up. Let me – no, this is Dominic Gates. Yeah, over there. Of course it's him over at the Seattle Times. And the quote here from an extended interview with the mom who is kind of remaining quasi-anonymous just using his word for nom de plume.

By the way, one-time journalist, which had me wondering, do I know this person?

Oh, I didn't – that detail – boy, we're both coming to the table with different details.

This is such a beautiful marriage of old and new media, Andrew. I've got some details you don't have You've got some details I don't have I mean this is a good show today

I actually read this on my phone possibly while pooping The boy had been wearing a t-shirt That's just gross The boy had been wearing a t-shirt And a v-neck pullover windbreaker Both were ripped off his body I don't know why it mattered so much What kind of shirt it was But I was just having a lot of trouble picturing this And again I was picturing a younger kid than it ended up being And I couldn't figure out what was pulled off But the point of all of this though is the i agree with that person who said i don't know what i'm gonna need in the future the trauma of this thing i mean hopefully this kid this particular kid and hopefully everybody will be fine and be able to roll with it but i know that lesser things have happened in my life that it took me a longer time to get over you know like you know what's sad uh or telling about me

and about how kind of impatient i am uh the part of the article that stuck out to me was that they had to wait in line for two hours to rebook their flight afterwards so the plane turns around and lands and they had to go get in a customer service line to rebook their tickets and somehow that seemed like that would be the part that would traumatize me the most because unless i

was in the row like really now i'm just waiting in line at the at the gate again or something you

mean just the the the banality and the banality of that moment like don't you have aren't you bring like aren't you bringing Mr. or Ms. Alaska whoever's in charge of this situation aren't they here right didn't you helicopter them in aren't they just standing in the terminal at PDX going here here's some cocoa and a blanket let me help you I was gonna say a nurse should be showing up

with a ginger ale and a blanket for your shoulders and patting you and saying don't worry about a thing sweetie we've already rebooked your flight right like you should you should never have to

press one yeah on your phone while standing in line waiting to do the customer service thing like because that's the that's that's that's modern life in this world is both waiting in a physical line but then being on your phone thinking maybe i can get ahead of the physical line because i'm also on hold with alaska airlines like that you know it's it was late at night i'm I'm not faulting anyone specifically there at PDX. I think everyone was just doing their best. I don't know what the preparation should be. But if I had to go after all of that, then at like 1 in the morning or whatever time it was, stand in a line and shuffle up and try to rebook myself, that alone I would need more than $1,500 for.

Yeah, exactly. When I first saw the headline, I told you this before the show, I thought it said $1.5 million. I'm like, my God, that is a lot for each passenger. I would take that in a heartbeat. And then I'm like, when I realized it was $1,500, I think what happened was I saw a period and I thought it was a comma. I'm not even joking. I was like, my God, that's little. Okay, I have an important question about this, though, because I had not read up on the compensation offer. Am I to assume here that if you accept this $1,500, you're also waiving some sort of potential legal rights down the road?

That was the thing I was trying to get clarification on. um i'm kind of scrolling quickly through aggrieved passengers can pursue a lawsuit against alaska airlines of course of action that comes with precedent several passengers oh and action i see they're like listing other times when people have sued airlines or you know the airplane manufacturer for stuff like this um but i don't know let's see here uh it doesn't It doesn't say that I can see in this article if taking the 1500 means you also then cannot sue them. I am guessing the answer would be yes. I'm guessing that's exactly why Alaska Airlines is offering this, because I'm sure in accepting this, there's probably some kind of agree box you click on. And my guess would be that you've then waived the rights or for further. litigation. Although, having said that, if that was Alaska's, I say this as like a poker player or a person who's interested in, I don't know, things around negotiating. If I'm Alaska Airlines and I'm trying to get people to sign something that then basically kind of cancels out any other legal action from them, I'm offering them $10,000. Let's make this a hard decision. You know what I mean? Like for Alaska, $10,000 per passenger on that flight, if it gets them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars down the line that's a great deal like in poker what it would be is you don't want to just like let's say you're bluffing and it's the the last card is coming out it's called the river if you're bluffing you probably don't want to just like add you know three dollars to the pot because then the other person is not making a hard decision in poker we say put them on a hard decision you want to make it a significant portion so they start really soul searching so you need to if you're alaska put them on a hard decision here offer them twenty thousand dollars and i bet you'd get a lot of people signing up

for that now while we're talking about the economic impact of this here's another place where my mind has wandered in the past couple of days as the story sort of continues to unfold or we get more details i was wondering will this be a hit at all to alaska or even broadly speaking like the the U.S. airline industry will this if there are certain people who are on the bubble about flying anyway maybe I could drive this maybe I could fly well hey you know driving down to Vegas you know from maybe this part of the world that could be like a road trip like I'm just wondering like will this discourage enough people to maybe find a different part a different way of another means of transportation I should say that it could actually impact the airline industry or do we have a pretty short memory of this like first of all there were no fatalities it's scary as hell I'm somebody who I'd categorize as a somewhat nervous flyer you know like I'm always consciously aware that we are in the goddamn sky you know what I mean like I'm not white knuckling it the whole time but it's never lost on me but then I was thinking like and this is kind of again where my brain was just wandering logically I think I know let's say that I had to make a choice I was going to take a cross-country trip from Seattle to Florida if I got into a car and made that trip there's got to be a so much higher so much more dangerous you know like and I'm sure somebody could chart that out like the the chances of me having some sort of a fatal or near fatal accident in a car across a cross-country trip like that versus taking a plane there like it must be astronomically higher in a car but fears aren't rational well I think it was this show

this very program tbtl where we might have talked about the fact that the part of the airlines offering free uh flights for for people under the age of two is apparently because they were approached by the like national transportation safety board who had done this math and they said basically like if families can fly for cheaper with their young kids it will actually get people off of the road for road trips and we can tell you what the reduction in car fatalities

will be if we talk about this on the show i was deep into what was that game that i used to play i was deep into hex empire because i don't remember having that conversation yeah i i i heard or read

about this somewhere that that the part and i don't know what the leverage the ntsb had on this but that there was there was a conversation like part of the idea of like kids fly for free if you're under the age of two um by the way that's also an element of this story that i saw this morning is rethinking the question of kids being on parents laps although what do we think the chances are of another door flying off of one of these boeing max nines going forward i would say it's probably low like we're welding those things on at this point yeah that particular thing but

and i'm i sort of alluded to this the other day just about just the the capitalism of all of this like we've been seeing stories for years now with Boeing and not to get all on a on a high horse

about this but like we can loop Dick's drive in and we can really hit the holy trinity of Seattle Boeing Alaska Airlines and Taco Time that's it that's the holy trinity right um but this is just

like part of a pattern of Boeing do you know like first of all like lobbying for less oversight and also like making decisions about like who they're putting in positions of power in the company and less of a um less of a leaning towards engineering and more towards profit and shareholder uh um care and it's just like i do think there's a direct link here between profits and safety and it that is just like so so frustrating and heartbreaking to to think about and so if it's not this I mean it's like how many how many times in the past even five years but certainly 10 years since Boeing has been you know rolling out these these new model planes have they had to ground them for some reason or another I mean don't forget the crash where it looked like a lion air yeah lost control because of a because of an automation system like and you know again planes are in the sky I mean you know thousands of planes are in the sky every day i'm not trying to make people scared of flying but i'm on a plane right now since the show started i've driven to pdx and i'm now flying

back to germany because i left something in the hotel room anyway i don't have a power out for

that those are just my feelings i guess that's my power out it's a good question as far as like

would this actually impact behaviors i wonder how if they'll be able to track that or not it's certainly getting a lot of attention a lot of attention and i think that's probably a couple of things it's still maybe a relatively slow news week at least kind of on the domestic side of life here so it's and also it's just an it's a gripping story where there is a certain amount of cell phone footage and there are more and more people are kind of now starting to talk about what it was like on the plane so yeah does all of that does somebody just like hearing like 50 times in a week about a door flying off a plane does that just like go into their subconscious and then the next time they're making what feels like an independent decision huh you know it's like eight hours if we drive but then if you deal with the airport and the parking and the cost and it's like that's probably five hours i don't know three hours do we you know like that could be very i mean that could be be something that somebody is factoring in even if they're not aware that they're factoring it in i don't know i mean it will have zero impact on my decision making i think that's not a surprise

to the listeners. Now, I don't want you to take this as a direct assault, but I am throwing a flag here at one of your employers, CBS News. I'm just kind of scrolling through a bunch of tabs about this story while we're talking because there's so many different angles. And I see that CBS News has a little video that goes along with this story. And they've slugged it midair mishap. And I feel like mishap is too weak of a word there. I know you're going for alliteration,

mid-air mishap is like they don't have any splenda it's yeah right or the the flight attendant tells me they have splenda it's not splenda by the way i just want to say really quickly i know this is my own hang up and like first of all that fake sugar is terrible for me it's probably much worse than if i was just having real sugar but i never cease to be amazed at how little the general population knows about what is splenda and what is not splenda Like and by that I mean the general population of people working at coffee places and that's fine This is my own issue my own hang-up, but I am commonly if I get a cup of coffee I'll say and do you have any Splenda and they'll usually say sure and then they'll hand me something and like one out of four times

It's Splenda. It'll either be the green on do they think it's the green one instead of the it'll be a stevia

It'll be a it'll be a Now this is in the defense of the people that don't realize some other brands have have kind of ripped off the yellow color of splendor so that's kind of a tough one like there are these tubes these little paper tubes that are kind of yellow yeah in they look a little bit like splendor so i don't blame you but it's like it's one of those things where like if you if you know you know if you're a fake sugar person like i know genevieve is a monk fruit person now these days right is that true

yeah she used to be a splendor person but now she's monk fruit if you are somebody who and again

i'm not even i'm not advocating for this like i spent yesterday or the day before saying how I'm trying to eat more natural stuff in 2024 splendor ain't on that list I'll tell you right away but it's the kind of thing that if you know uh what Splenda is and what isn't Splenda it's always shocking to see what people are like someone will hand you a sweet and low and I'll go it's blue it doesn't look it doesn't look anything like Splenda but anyway not having

Splenda on the flight that's pink isn't it or do they change it up uh maybe I'm thinking of uh

yeah sweet and low's pink what's the blue one anyway here's my point that's a mishap the door flying off not a mishap you're right not a tragedy but not a mishap on board oopsie hey let's thank some of our donors these are the wonderful generous people who are supporting the program with a monthly contribution and we need it andrew because we cannot monetize this on youtube oh yeah we're just talking about that off air because of this song every day you get an email from youtube saying this content cannot be monetized i do yeah we youtube has

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listen to this podcast daily on youtube now honestly for what it's worth if you're happy with the way you're listening to it now non-youtube i would stick with that i think it's a little clunky what youtube's got going on but if you have been desperate to listen to us on that platform you can find us there now but um every single day when the show goes out about i don't know an hour later i get an email from youtube saying you cannot monetize this show you're using all kinds of copyrighted material including thank you baby oh so it's all kinds i thought it was literally just this song well like yesterday i think it was just this song like they identified the beginning of it but music every music for so when i first hooked our feed up this was last week or the week before when i first hooked our feed up with youtube and i imported like the first i don't know i think years worth of shows so what is that how many 270 shows or whatever we do a year um i just got immediately for the next starting immediately and for the next like three days just a constant stream of emails from YouTube. This show can't be monetized.

That must have felt really bad to you. That felt like a digital holler. After a

while, it just became so funny because I would click on them randomly. I mean, literally one for every show. Sometimes I'd just click on one randomly, and it'd be like, oh, that's what we played for music for your weekend that day. It was kind of a game. It's a running diary of the show.

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There you go. Well, thank goodness for Gretchen Van Miller, who's in Lakewood, Washington, for supporting the program. Thank you, Gretchen. Also, thanks to Daniel Lennon, who's in Portland, Oregon, one of my very favorite places to visit. I'll be visiting there tomorrow and getting my hair cut. I'm still not ready to get my hair cut out here in rural America, Andrew.

Do you think, I mean, when is snow hitting Portland? Like, I know that we're gearing up for snow pretty soon here. Well, maybe it's later this weekend, huh? Or do you think you can get in and out of Portland?

I hope so. I've got to go visit Becca down there. Let's see. It's looking like around here. Today and tomorrow are looking like they're going to be just rainy in the 40s. And then Friday and Saturday, particularly Saturday, the temperature drops to 25. And we start to get in danger of some snow sticking around. Some of the white stuff, Andrew. So I'm gonna try to make a surgical strike down there to Portland to get my haircut and also to visit Daniel Lennon Thank you. I don't know what the weather is up in BC, but we've got not one but two donors today Checking in from British Columbia starting with Cassandra Caswell who's in Victoria beautiful Victoria, BC It was a big Victoria, BC loomed very very large in my imagination as a child

It seems, I mean, it sounds, I've been there, and it's a very lovely place, but the name Victoria also sort of exudes a certain, like, kind of fanciness and properness, doesn't it?

Well, and the main thing, if you're from outside of Victoria, the thing you have to do when you go there is high tea at the Empress Hotel. Ah. I've never done that. I'm not, I don't come from Empress Hotel kind of money, but I knew about it as a kid. And I think there's also something called Butchard Garden, which is a big, beautiful garden.

Yeah, is there a bunch of butterflies there, too, maybe?

Probably. That's right. Hang out if I were a butterfly. Yeah, sure. So, like, yeah, it did. It felt like a fancy town. And I think I've told this story a few times on the show. But, like, when I was a kid, I remember we were supposed to go camping for, like, a, you know, summertime family campout. And I remember my dad coming home from work, maybe the day before we were supposed to leave, maybe even the morning we were leaving, coming back from his shop and just looking crestfallen. And my parents kind of huddling and talking in furtive conversation. And then basically that day, the fire department had showed up at my dad's shop. My dad's a sign painter. and had basically tagged him for not having all of the paints and solvents stored in a properly fire-resistant cabinet. And now this is the thing that's interesting because I'm now a grown adult and I know my dad really well, particularly over the last year as we've spent lots of hours here at this house together. My dad is a real belt and suspenders guy. As a kid, my memory of events was we were supposed to go on a big camping trip we were all excited dad came home and said the fire department is going to shut down the business if i don't do something about all of this paint and solvent which was being kept in some kind of a you know cabinet but it wasn't it didn't it wasn't like you know up to code or something because i mean this actually is reasonable that they don't want if there's a fire in this old warehouse on aurora avenue that's now called Chocolati.

if they don't want the fire to then hit a big trove of fuel, a.k.a. a bunch of paint and paint thinner. So we were devastated, obviously.

Because I just want to, I mean, I guess this is obvious from context, but we're not just talking about, you know, buying a cabinet, like going to the hardware store and buying, you know, plunking down $1,000 on a small cabinet. It sounds like this is a pretty large amount of supplies that need to be rehoused and secured.

this is the thing that's weird about getting older andrew is you know when you're a kid you just you sort of see the adult world through the eyes and descriptions that your parents are providing to you and then you are older than they were at the time and you wonder about things like this in other words yeah it was catastrophic to our trip this by the way does and i'm everyone will be relieved to know this does connect up with the topic of victoria british columbia but like um i don't know i mean what i knew is that our trip was canceled and and and i also wonder if it was the kind of thing where yeah if my dad would have just gone to the salvage place and bought a big metal cabinet and put it in there if it would have been i mean he had a couple this is lots and lots of cans of stuff but still an amount that fit i think ultimately what he ended up doing was building out of wood and i was talking about this with my about about my dad well somehow it wasn't wood but it was reinforced in some way i don't is that what you're responding to yeah yeah

sorry i distracted you i just made a sound i was just bar borrowing you um but uh no yeah i was surprised to hear that it'd be made of wood that that would be up to i know i don't know why maybe

it was treated with something but i think he built the cabinets this is what i was i guess this is what i was gonna say and and i was talking about this with my dad in the hdmi cable earlier this week my dad because we never had any money growing up and because literally like money was so scarce I think my dad took on this mentality that like if I can build something versus buying it that's what I'm always going to do and so could this have been solved could like if it was me I'm just driving I don't think it would have been the Home Depot probably would have been called Eagle Eagle was the big home you know home improvement store of the time I would have gone down to Eagle and I would have been like what's your largest metal cabinet you sell and I would have brought it home and I would have put the paint in there I would have gone to the shop and done that that was not I don't I don't know if we literally didn't have the money for that or if that didn't occur to my

dad or what well is there a chance that the that the fire department said like you've been a bad

boy you can't go on vacation they sent him an email that said uh you can you can't keep using

this music it's all rights protected I do sort of think and I know we need to tie this back to Victoria but I do think that like from what I'm learning about your dad through your stories and Now that I've had the pleasure of meeting him and hanging out with him a few times, I do wonder if as somebody who does sort of live in a somewhat paranoid state myself of being hollered at, I do wonder if like part of this journey with him regarding the paint cans and everything also was somewhat emotional because he's like, that's not who I am. I am the guy who does everything properly and up to code. And it must have been not just a financial and, you know, kind of a time suck, but also a little bit of like, God damn it.

Like, I'm the one who does shit right. I can totally imagine that. And again, these are the kind of contours of somebody's experience that you don't consider when you're a kid. Like now I think about it's like this guy's probably like at the time, this dude's like 34. He's got like five kids going or something. No money, he's trying to pastor this church that nobody goes to There's a lot going on for this guy But at the time it was just like, our trip is cancelled Well, here's what ended up being the solution We had this old Ford Econoline van This real POS And that was I guess what we were going to take the road trip in And so instead, well the first thing that happened was my mom And this is where my mom is an interesting character And I think, I don't give her enough credit for this kind of stuff I think she remembered that, like, my dad had done signs for the Victoria Clipper, the catamaran boat that gets from Seattle to Victoria really fast, and that somehow as part of that, I don't know if they just threw these in or paid him with this, but he had, like, free tickets on the Victoria Clipper, you know, I don't know, seven free tickets or something, and these were, like, kind of expensive at the time, at least they seemed expensive in our family, but they had totally expired. we had never used them because we didn't have a money to go to a hotel in victoria we just like so he had these free tickets they had expired i think my mom probably leaned on him and said go down she was like go down and see if those people will let you uh use these tickets to go to victoria and what we'll do i think this was my dad's solution we'll take all of the paint and solvents we'll put them in the van because the That means they've moved out of the shop. They are no longer in the place where the fire department is telling you they can't be. Now, are they safer in a van, in an alley? No, that sounds like a terrorist event. That sounds like something that some kind of born identity person would be trying to stop. But the solution was get all of this stuff into the van. Lock the van.

Now we don't have one child in the van to watch over the chemicals.

Sorry, David. youngest put and then and then but now we don't have a van now we don't have a way to get to where we're going so now that the plan shifts to turn what was going to be our road trip conveyance into a paint storage locker and now figure out something else we can do what about those victoria clipper tickets that have expired go down ask the people at the box office hey could we still use these sweet talk them they say yes we end up the the whole trip shifts from being a camping trip to being, we're going to get on the Victoria Clipper. I remember feeling very seasick as a kid because that thing is, you know, it's going pretty fast. And we went to Victoria. We stayed in a really ratty motel, but we didn't care. We were kids. And it was one of the most

fun trips of my entire life. Well, really? You didn't do high tea though. That's not a high

tea situation. Well, God, no. No, there was no, there was a zero high tea going on for us, But we had so much fun.

And years later, you would enjoy low tea.

Uh-huh.

Enjoy? It all worked. Experience, certainly. Enjoy? Probably not. It all worked out.

I do appreciate Cassandra, though, up there in Victoria. Thanks for allowing me to travel down memory lane that way. Thanks also to Kayla Harris, who's in Stockton, California.

Thank you, Kayla. Kayla, long-time friend of the show, weighing in on the text line.

Yeah, I'm trying to think if we had any trips to Stockton as a family, as a kid. I don't think so. We never got south of like Grants Pass, Oregon On the road trips

I didn't stay, I passed through Grants Pass I think

That's kind of what you do, they're down there in Grants Pass Thank you Kayla, thanks also to Timothy Petruk Who's in Kamloops, BC This is our second Promises made, promises kept Two people in British Columbia

Absolutely

They've got a junior hockey team That's how the Kamloops, Medicine Hat, Yellow Knife These are all places that had a junior hockey league Or Western Hockey League junior teams

Do you think that Timothy or our next donor Would be put off by some breaking news I have for you here? No It's related to

No, I think they'd be put on I think Nicholas Arms The Perfect Ten Is he back in St. Petersburg, Florida?

No, you know, I think that this was filled out a while ago. Nick is in Connecticut now, exactly. And we're trying to see if maybe he can join us for this week's Week in Review video.

Is this how we're reaching out to Nick? No, it sounds like. The other program?

No, I just got an email. It looks like we're figuring out some technical things. And if we can technically make it happen, this will happen, hopefully. I think you guys might hook up for the Week in Review video. But you don't need the sounder for this. It's not that big of a deal. But some personal news here is while you were telling that story about Victoria, British Columbia and how your dad is a scofflaw, I just made myself a brand new Tonight shirt because I was doodling with a Sharpie and then I fumbled the Sharpie. And now I have a little black mark on the shirt. Now, it's not it was never a nice shirt to begin with, but it was a serviceable shirt to maybe, you know, you know, just go running some errands in or something. But I don't want to have this black mark here. So this is now – I have a black mark on my Tonight shirt. So new Tonight shirt.

Well, that's kind of a nice thing about the Tonight clothing economy for you.

Yeah, exactly. It's always – it's like our kitchen towels. Genevieve just got us some new kitchen towels. And so that means, like, I have about four different tiers of hand towels in my life now that all originated as nice kitchen towels at some point. But some are now, like, literally threadbare with the word floor written across them in Sharpie because that's what I do. And that's the last phase of a towel is it goes from it goes from upstairs kitchen towel to downstairs kitchenette towel to just sort of I'm not going to wash the dishes or dry the dishes with this, but it's to wipe up spills towel. And then eventually you're underneath the basement kitchenette sink and somebody, me, has written floor on you. And it means that you are now only to be used on the floor or thus. actually let's add a fifth tier garage rags sometimes floor towels end up graduating to

garage rags before we finally uh let them rest you know what i had a whole like life cycle like that were those white adidas that i really like to wear they're called rod lavers and they're not stan smith so they're commonly mistaken for stan the difference is the rod lavers are not leather they're they're kind of like a woven nylon or something and my whole thing with those was i would buy them and i would wear them um for like you know doing things on stage and stuff and then as they would get kind of more scuffed up and and and and crummy then i would i would start wearing them in my normal life and then eventually i'd mow the lawn in them and i probably had 20 pairs of those that used to be able to buy them online for like 40 bucks a pair and whereas i do kind of go a little nuts on if i like something wanting to have like an almost endless supply of it it comes from experiences like this right now they don't make those rod labors anymore i'm looking at uh a dead stock website there they go for for $781 a pair right now. Ooh, that's an expensive lawn mowing shoe. $40. I know. From $40 to $700. If I would have just bought those 20 pairs and just sat on them, I'd be rich. I could pay for this whole home remodeling project with Rod Laver money. You'd be living in Victoria, having high tea every day. Having high tea every day at the Empress. You know, petting the butterflies at Butchard Garden. Like, see, the problem is when stuff like this happens, it's it reinforces that weird scarcity kind of thing in my mind that makes me do things that are a little bit nutty and unnecessary, like, you know, doubling up and quadrupling up on, you know, items, because I think, what if I can't get the item? And that, like, almost never happens, and then it happens with something like this. And this is a pretty regular thing I do now is just cruise the Internet trying to find some of these shoes that, like, I used to literally buy on Amazon. That was before we knew Amazon was kind of bad. I wouldn't buy shoes on Amazon now. I would go to a place. But, I mean, on goat.com, $738.

By the way, just for our Victoria listeners and especially those that we think today, I have sort of messed up a narrative here. There is a Victoria Butterfly Garden, but I believe it's just called the Victoria Butterfly Gardens. It's not Butchardt. Is that how you say that?

Is that a place, though?

Butchardt does seem to be a place, yeah. But I don't – I mean, they might have butterflies. I don't know if they have a sign that says butterflies need not apply. I don't know if they keep them out. But I know. It's just – I don't like that. No, I don't like it either. No, it's definitely –

Do you know what's really funny about this idea of the Butchardt Garden or gardens? I'm looking at their website now. Um, it's, uh, they're located in Brentwood Bay, British Columbia. I remember being a kid and cause we, we, if you're in Northern Washington, if you're getting close to the border, you start to see sometimes like advertisements for this. It's a big tourist draw up there. And I remember thinking to myself, why in the living hell would anyone go to a garden for fun? And now it sounds awesome. Like, like I, cause I, I think they might've even had like billboards for it in Seattle. You know what I mean? Like, hey, if you're going to go up to Victoria, you might as well check this out. And as a kid, this actually the font, if you go to a butchartgardens.com, Andrew, check out the font. And then this rose. This is the iconic look. This was on billboards when I was a kid. And I love this font. I like that, too. I want to live at this place.

That's a really interesting font. Like the R's are cursive. Everything else is printed. That's really interesting. I mean, it's great.

And it's like, it's the kind of thing that I just remember seeing the signs for it and being, I mean, again, we weren't going to go to high tea at the Empress and we weren't going to go to the Butchart Gardens. But I just remember being a kid and thinking, if you try to make me go to a garden for fun, I will revolt. And now I'm just like, how do I get to the Butchart Gardens? Like, I've been on a real getting ready for a spring in my mind and, like, doing some planting around here. I put down a bunch of cardboard, which I was, and then I covered it with some soil. I dug out a bunch of that mulch that was from the stump. And I've been following various Northwest Instagram accounts that are about gardening. You know you can grow pomegranates in the Northwest? No, I didn't. Isn't that surprising? I mean, I don't even really like pomegranates, but I like the idea of growing them.

Yeah. What would be more native for them? Like, if it's surprising that it's something more tropical.

I don't know why I guess somewhere warmer, but I don't – I mean, I just – there's a Northwest Gardening Instagram feed that I just started following, and they're like, hey, you know, you can grow these here. Like, I am getting very excited for this spring and summer trying to get into a gardening type of situation. I think it'd be fun and also good for me, good for my mental and emotional health and connecting with the land and all of that stuff. So I'm getting very into that, which is another reason maybe why I've got butchart gardens on the brain.

I have a font on the brain here because I was like, somebody's got to.

have done something with this font or some explanation of it um and i see that i'm on a website of i believe a designer here it says my last semester uh afforded me the luxury of trying my hand at type design uh moving ahead here the inspiration for this typeface came from the wood cut sign for the butchart gardens in victoria bc i was immediately drawn to the friendliness and celerity what is celerity c-e-l-e-r-i-t-y do you know what that means celerity is it like a Sort of like a clarity almost. Oh, swiftness of movement. It's an archaic word.

Something that's never happened on this show.

Yeah. And so anyway, it looks like somebody has sort of recreated that font possibly for download and use in graphic design. It is a really cool font.

Yeah. Is it public domain? Can we make it the new TBTL font? I'm looking to see. That's how fully committed I am to this Butchart Gardens thing.

This person has definitely created it. It does. Actually, I'm wrong. It doesn't look like it's downloadable yet. So maybe not, but it's really cool. Okay, what were we talking about?

We were thanking the donors, and we were talking about British Columbia. So thank you to all of you for making this possible today. Hello, and welcome to Top Story. It's interesting, Andrew, that the Top Story I've got on the list today is regarding Aaron Rodgers, the sort of football player. I say sort of because he played like four snaps this year. And his back and forth with Jimmy Kimmel, which I guess really all I want to say on that topic is, God, you were right. Next time when you dislike someone more than me, I need to remember how right you were about Aaron Rodgers.

I wasn't there first, I will say. I think a lot of people blazed that path.

No, but I was kind of like, I had sort of no strong opinion. I did not like the lying about the vaccine thing. Yeah, well, that's when it really bubbled up. Where he said he was inoculated or immunized or he used some other word. it was probably because he was taking colloidal silver or some bullshit but um i just was kind of like whatever on him and you were always pretty like not and not enjoying how he was in the world and uh and and boy were boy did you ever buy low on that and i will be honest with you it really

came from just on field observation well no you know it really that's why i didn't trust it well no you know what it was was that that verified it was him just being like a catty little bee towards Russell Wilson and some press conference stuff that I did we we've talked about it before I don't forget in the details of it but this like both the smug but also like pouty he always seemed so pouty and everything and I just always disliked his vibe but then the more I mean you don't even have to talk about it now it's obvious his his unlike ability is is front and center now but

it just became more and more obvious over the years see I yeah I I guess it was maybe because you know your former the team you formerly rooted for the browns maybe i don't know if they they're not in the same division but i don't know if they played them more or something oh no it wasn't a browns thing yeah well i just i just i i didn't get as strong of a vibe as you did off of him at that time i was just kind of like whatever and then i even the jets uh camp thing they were filming for um hard knocks i actually found him to seem kind of likable although other people at the time were going like he's playing you that's what i had he knows exactly what he's doing well Well, tell you what, this guy has really shown himself to be I mean, he has taken such a heel turn of like because Jimmy Kimmel back in the day when Aaron Rodgers was lying about his vaccinated status, Jimmy Kimmel, who believes in the vaccine and science, made fun of him on his show. that clearly uh was stuck in aaron rogers's craw so he doesn't like jimmy kimmel now when the the news about like some other trove of jeffrey epstein stuff came out or was going to come out he basically made it sound like jimmy kimmel was nervous about this because i.e jimmy kimmel's going to be on some kind of list which is not the case and jimmy kimmel uh to his credit i think like i think he must have been on break or something maybe it was his first show back or whatever the monday show that kimmel did he just spent the first seven minutes just dismantling the idea the very idea of aaron rogers it was really good but then aaron rogers you know was like well i'm not going to comment on it i'll do it all on my show with pat mcafee tomorrow because they have is that a radio show too or is it a podcast only it's an espn thing i believe i'm thinking

it's you know it's a podcast that essentially mcafee started independently than espn sort of like um i don't know it's almost like they're i hear people refer to it as like they're renting it sort of like it's got the espn banner but like mcafee has a lot of power and um i you know i've heard of mcafee for so long because of his regular stints with aaron rogers where a lot of this depravity is anti-viral software well that also and also anti-vax uh viral um i'm trying to make A joke there that didn't work out so we'll move on

I wasn't helping you but I was being a bad teammate

Yeah I don't even know how I feel about McAfee Because the thing

is i've always associated him i'd only heard about him during the times when his regular segment with aaron rogers would pop up because aaron rogers was saying something awful or stupid right and so i don't even really know if he i i always got the impression that he's sort of like the he as you would say maybe he's he's culturally dutch brothers i would say pat mcafee i don't know like that's a very very good description if you know him better than i do but i i feel like i only see him through the lens of the guy who platforms aaron rogers bullshit but maybe he's not as bad

himself i don't know i don't think he's as bad but this raises the larger question if you platform someone who's bad are you like i don't think pat mcafee is walking around saying jimmy kimmel was on uh jeffrey epstein's plane but then he also described it as as like um i forget what the term he used for it was basically like shit talking yeah like he described what aaron rogers Had said as kind of like roasting or shit

Talking I gotta say I don't Think I heard a clip of him saying that but I had I think I read the quote and as Much as I think I'm predisposed not to like Pat McAfee but I'm not entirely sure about It but that response Did make me kind of chuckle he was kind of like Oh yeah yeah He did say that but I think he was just Talking shit and I was kind of like There was something about the The clarity of that Your honor my defendant Would like to say for the record he was just talking shit like a certain way and again I'm not dismissing I actually think what Aaron Rogers has said and is saying and doing is very bad and very scary and very dangerous so I'm not dismissing that I did sort of just like that quote from McAfee though yeah I don't think McAfee

again I think McAfee is a real bros bro I think he probably if you were to sit down with him over a beer I would guess I don't that his doesn't have the greatest takes on things but he's not I don't think he's actively peddling conspiracy theories Although if he's allowing it to happen on his show Then he's not helping things I'm basically neutral on Pat McAfee Leading towards what are you doing Letting Aaron Rodgers say this stuff So Aaron Rodgers was going to come back on the show yesterday And the question was would he apologize to Jimmy Kimmel Of course he didn't And he tried to make the argument That he never called Jimmy Kimmel a pedophile Which I guess is by the most technical reading true But if you say If I said Boy I'll tell you a lot of people are really worried About that flight manifest coming out of Jeffrey Epstein's Mainly Andrew Walsh What's the implication? Like so you didn't say the words But it's not crazy that someone would arrive at that conclusion Based on what you said

I'm looking up the original And we should probably read it But unfortunately I don't have it here in front of me right now the original comments that rogers said uh on the mcafee show i guess whatever a week ago or two weeks ago and i gotta this is a weird weird source for this obviously i'm obsessed with the dan levitard show but it's rare that i'm quoting stu gotts on serious issues but i actually thought he had one of the more interesting um kind of small little detailed points of of something that we should recall when thinking about that original quote is not only did aaron rogers say That list is coming out next week And a lot of people are nervous about it Including Jimmy Kimmel Well, that right there is obviously Just a toxic implication And when you think about the series And again, I think Stugatz might have said this as well Like, the Epstein stuff Has almost become kind of a cultural Oh my god You know, it's just like He didn't kill himself, whatever It became so kind of culturally memefied That you can forget the you can forget the severity and disgustingness right the crimes and even putting that aside going back to Aaron Rodgers quote not only did he say oh and Jimmy Kimmel's one of the people nervous and he says when that comes out I will have a drink in my hand and I will toast it now why would you ever toast the idea of somebody being involved in a pedophile ring whoever it is why would you toast that how about i mean explain that this guy is a piece of shit he's

taking a real heel turn too i think because now on that same show i mean you're absolutely right like the idea that because you scored a quote-unquote point on someone that that would mean it's a celebratory moment something that's related to the victimization of so many people you're absolutely right that's ridiculous um but also the other thing he went on to say on mcafee was basically the thing that they all say which is it's cancel culture coming for me it's like really all you had to do was not call someone a pedophile um and no one would be coming for you right now people are largely over the vaccine thing people have you know because the world has sort of moved on although i did take a covet test this morning by the way because i wasn't feeling super great and i was like i'm just hearing that everybody has right now yeah and I was like maybe and I didn't have it so I can report to the total of a zero people who are here with me at the Madrona Hill studio that I am kind of a clean bill of health but like I mean I don't you and I are on the same page on this as our I'm sure 99% of our listeners I don't need to even go into this but like this whole idea that like you say something idiotic and then there's the natural blowback for that and then you're just everyone's trying to cancel you what i was basically getting from this aaron rogers sort of defense i feel like here's the thing aaron rogers has been doing he's been trying to kind of be cute with what his opinions are um because he still wants to play in the nfl and he wants to sign huge lucrative contracts and he wants people to cheer for him when he runs on the field yeah he wants to like him he wants people to like him and so that's why that's exactly why when they asked him if he was vaccinated he didn't just say no because he doesn't really want to be known as the anti-vax guy but he wants to kind of he wants to kind of be popular with everyone but also he's obviously a moron conspiracy theorist um i did think it was a pretty good line from the kimmel show that said the two a's that aaron got in his report cards were both in his name yeah i feel like that's

a pretty good wait was that just a tweet or something no it was part of the monologue it Oh, that was Kimmel's thing. Oh, that's fantastic.

Yeah, I mean, I'd highly recommend, if people haven't heard it, I would highly recommend going and checking it out because it's basically what happened was a very funny person, Jimmy Kimmel, and a very talented team of writers had, I think, three or four days to just craft seven minutes of, like I said, just absolutely dismantling Aaron Rodgers, you know, from, like, head to toe. It was pretty unassailable what he ended up saying.

I should watch that.

it's very it's it will it's kind of like it's like uh it's like taking pax lovid or something andrew if it's covid take pax lovid it's like it's it'll it'll it'll it'll um it'll give yours it'll do good for your soul to hear jimmy kibble just i mean just absolutely not holding back on this guy on national television then of course it's immediately uh re like xed or tweeted and like it's from the kimmel show so it wasn't like they were trying to stay out of the fight it was like here's what we have to say on this and then let's promote this on every single possible platform to you know signal multiply this or whatever signal amplify it but all i was going to say is what i feel like we can now see is the beginnings of aaron rogers next act like because he's been kind of holding back he's been kind of trying to be coy he's been saying he's inoculated or immunized but what's going to happen is i think he's going to come back next season he's going to to try to play football i wouldn't be surprised to see him get hurt again because he's not young and the human body is not designed to play football ever let alone when you're north of 40 and my sense is once his football career is officially done done i don't think there's a whole lot left in it then it's going to be really something to watch this guy yeah yeah he is going to go full heel turn on it like he is like this guy is going to be on publicly unhinged in three

years and will that be the first time a former green bay quarterback has taken a heel turn

such only if you consider stealing from the most vulnerable citizens in the state of mississippi

a heel turn what is uh what is their current quarterback love not julian love but um jordan love give jordan love 20 years before he goes off like what what awfulness is he going to turn into because it turns out that Green Bay quarterbacks turn into absolute monsters.

Because the narrative is like, how has Green Bay done this? How did Green Bay happen into three, like, generational quarterbacks in a row?

Like, it's some sort of a deal with the devil. Like, okay, you're going to get three generational quarterbacks, but they're all going to turn into the worst people in the world as they grow old.

Yeah. But speaking of, by the way, speaking of the Seahawks, and I do think that this might actually warrant the... Oh, wow, now we're breaking it out. You know, it's 78 minutes into the program. I feel like this is now, it's our time. It's like when Mr. Collard used to have fun times. This is fun times for us. You heard it here last, because by the time you're downloading it, it's everywhere. But we're experiencing it in real time. Looks like the Seattle Seahawks will no longer have Pete Carroll as their head coach.

Yeah, I mean, it's really exciting to see that he'll still be on in an advisory role, though. So, I mean, I don't know if really much has changed here. no that's always funny when they when they let somebody go but they're like oh well he's still important to the organization like we'll see I guess Ichiro remained important to the organization

that was so surprising I felt like that was cultural that had something to do with him being

Japanese oh and also just and and just kind of a weirdo who and I mean that in the most loving way a weirdo who just loves baseball in a way that I don't think mere mortals can understand like in

Japan if you say you're gonna stay on an advisory role it means you really do it sure I could see Thank you. as well it doesn't it's not like the bullshit that we do here like i'm going to spend more time with my family right right like it really means but i will tell you this so yeah the the this is very preliminary reporting but it looks like p carroll's not going to be the head coach anymore um and our our friend the stew bot has already chimed into the text chain saying oh yeah buddy oh i believe his exact quote is uh we found the funniest possible landing spot for harbaugh

Oh, no, I can't. I won't.

That would be incredible. I can't and I won't. We're speaking, of course, of Mr. Khakis himself, Jim Harbaugh, the coach of the now newly minted national champions, Michigan Wolverines, becoming, because all indications are he wants to go coach in the pros again. And, well, it looks like the Seahawks have an opening at head coach. And would it be Jim Harbaugh? That would be pretty funny. I will say this, and, again, if you don't care about football, this the the next eight minutes of the show the next eight hours of the show may not be very entertaining for you but just please give me an Andrew this much um I I I have very mixed feelings about this as much as Pete Carroll makes me crazy as much as I don't like that he once floated the idea that 9-11 was an inside job I don't like any of that stuff but here's what I know about the NFL and you just ask speaking of Aaron Rodgers you just ask our listeners who are fans of the New york jets j-e-t-s jets jets jets i believe it's been what 13 seasons since the jets have been in the playoffs the when you are out of the mix in the nfl it can be very dark and very cold for a long time and pete carroll of course makes us all crazy most people's head coach makes most nfl fans the head coach of their team makes them crazy sometimes but the seahawks have been in the conversation for the last 10 years every season even though they've missed the playoffs they've they i mean they were like there's something there's a lot of privilege around the idea that your team is always at least in the conversation because there are a lot of teams that haven't that are regularly not in the conversation and it's sort of like i mean could we find uh the next i don't know who's the hot can we find the next mike mcdaniel or something could we find the next hot coach who revitalizes the organization maybe but i think the chances are greater that we go into somewhat of a unfortunately we go into sort of a fallow period as a team because even though p carroll uh is is you know has not made all the right decisions i i'd be surprised if whoever we sign just brings us back to prominence next season yeah um who's the um

who's the um the dallas cowboys coach uh mike mccarthy he's apparently like um why am i blame why am i blanking well it's because i'm me um who's the who's the famous owner of the cowboys jerry jones jerry jones apparently had a quote out there um i heard on the radio yesterday the saying like we'll see Mike McCarthy's future here will sort of depend on how the how the playoffs go or something so now people are like could Mike McCarthy be in the mix again like I don't I don't want a Harbaugh or a Mike McCarthy up here like you're right like the idea of having a Mike McDaniels would be so much fun but like sure there are not you just I don't know are they still making Mike McDaniels I think they make one Mike McDaniels every McDaniel right am I adding an S i think mcdaniel i think mcdaniel yeah but like he's he seems like a unicorn he is uh he's a

quite compelling guy he's the head coach of the miami dolphins i mean like you just don't get that many even and again i'm sorry this is just we're just shifting hard into sports talk here but like even when a coach is seen as some kind of wunderkind they then can also fall out of favor equally quickly the guy at philadelphia nick siriani six weeks ago he's considered the best coach in the NFL and now they're like will he continue on as the Eagles head coach because they've been losing some games like it is so mercurial and you basically have like a handful of coaches that are just for some reason have it kind of figured out Andy Reid at Kansas City seems like one of them where did he used to be used to be at Philadelphia used to win a lot of games I do think Mike McCarthy is at least able to put together good teams teams that are competitive he did it at green bay he's been doing it at dallas um you just but then you got a lot of other people that are somewhere in the middle that are just kind of like around they're kind of like what's uh you know what's his name the tennessee guy that i believe went to your high school who just got fired oh did he lose his job vrabel lost his job oh okay yeah like we could bring vrabel over but uh i don't know i mean i i guess what i would say is i i'm gonna miss that old hot Jay Leno-looking bastard chomping his gum and clapping and running drills before the game. like you know it's it's uh we've had him for a long time and it's been the sea you know seahawk football has been something that's been very entertaining for a long time and and i don't you know i don't know at some point pete carroll was not going to be the head coach anymore just because he was going to age out of the planet but he certainly seems pretty vital and and vibrant you know as of press time and i don't know i just i i don't know if i want to unplug and i don't want

to unplug the seahawks and plug them back in yeah which especially if you find yourself wandering

the desert for a long time you can it's can it's like i said it's very cold and dark on that side of the nfl moon and seattle's not a place like dallas or even you know i was about to say the jets and the giants but they're both putrid here's what i love about the nfl andrew and i spend a lot of time telling you what i hate about the nfl which is everything the only thing i'll give the nfl is that the size of your city does not mean you will have the best nfl football team yeah i point you in the direction of the giants and the jets and that at least feels like some semblance of of justice in the world whereas in major league baseball if you're the dodgers you will get shohei otani and if you are the yankees you will get uh who did they sign in the offseason

I know who you're talking about, but I'm blanking on the name. It's not been a good show for me in that way.

You just get the biggest, fanciest players because you have the most money. I do like that in the NFL, the good team is like Kansas City and not the New York Giants. But anyway, what I was going to say is it's just it's rough. It's rough when your NFL team is bad and you can be bad for a long time. And Seattle is not necessarily a place that's kind of like in the spotlight of the NFL. Like, like I feel like Dallas is always going to be kind of you're always going to be able to draw talent there, because if you play for the Dallas Cowboys, you're going to be on TV all the time. You're going to be talked about constantly by Ed Werder and the likes at ESPN. Like, I don't think that Seattle has any birthright to have a good competitive NFL team. We kind of lucked into it for the last 10 years. But this I don't want us to I don't want us to regress to the mean of what a Seattle professional sports team is, which is kind of like on the periphery.

Yeah, and, you know, I don't pretend to know a lot about this stuff. It's still driving me crazy. Look it up while we're talking. I was trying to. It's driving me bananas. I want to say Jared Leto, but it's not Jared Leto. Oh, no, it might have been. Wow.

Oh, that's been sitting there.

You were fast with that, my boy.

And it's been sitting there for a month and a half for waiting for just the right Jared Leto reference.

That's fantastic. Congratulations to you. I will say I don't pretend to know a lot about these things, but generally speaking, Pete Carroll has never been a frustration for me, you know, even as I root for the Seahawks and, you know, moments like I mean, honestly, the thing that's most frustrating has been like, you know, like just calling the most weird ass time out. Like, but that's been something like forever. And when the team ends up winning in the last few moments, as they did for a long time, like when Russell Wilson was there, you would be like, you know, beginning of the second half. And Pete Carroll has already blown two timeouts just because he wanted to get a new stick of gum and tie his shoe or something like that. You're like, you're the biggest idiot in the world. But then they end up winning. And then you're like, oh, you were just doing that to make the game more fun for us. Thanks, Pete. Like even the things that were frustrating about him, I always thought were fun and winning has a lot to do with that as well. And I actually do like him, like even in, you know, to the degree that everybody's going to be susceptible to coach talk and shit like that. Like he seemed he always seemed kind of like a real one to me and someone who I would not mind being around very much so. And who would try to give real answers and if didn't want to give a real answer would tell you. And I've heard him say this in a lot of press conferences. Oh, that's a good question. I'm not answering it. Like, right. And not like a dick, like he's playing cat and mouse with the reporters, but just saying like, yeah, I'm not going to do that one. But in a in a real way, not a curmudgeonly way and better than pretending like you're answering it. But you're really not saying shit, you know. Right. I would list him as chaotic good. Exactly. Now, I want to share something. It's Juan Soto, by the way. Juan Soto. What did I say? You didn't say we didn't say. No, I said Jared Leto, which rhymes with. that does it's in the neighborhood like honestly like i had people talk about having migraines and they get sort of an aura like i just had an aura of the name and i just sort of felt like

it was like a jared leto shape i think that was pretty good and also you led us to

what if that was jared leto's latest way to promote

30 Seconds to Mars or 60 Seconds to Mars album is signing with the New York Yankees for one pitch.

I wouldn't even doubt it. By the way, our boss, John Sklaroff, is going to kill us. But just for me not remembering his name, but I was going to say I got something here that absolutely warms my heart. While we're talking about this, let's see. Exactly five minutes ago, I got a text message from our friend Amina Alsadi, who has been in Week in Review with us, and she comes up quite a bit on the show. She said she sent me a link to the article about Pete Carroll and says, first thought. And by the way, I'm going to have said before, like she's not a big sport. Oh, right. But she says, first thought when I saw this, I hope they haven't taped today's TBTL yet. I know there's been a lot of sports talk lately, but I need thoughts, feelings, reactions and bonus.

If Luke's mom has weighed in yet, I can read you from the Hawk Squad text chain because I chimed in. I'm multitasking while we were talking. I was also firing off an update on Pete. I just put a link to the story. My dad say, Sammy rather, my brother slash father said, whoa, I did not expect that. Then my dad said, wow, I kind of figured that was going to happen sometime soon. And I'm like, hmm, really? You think that's why, Walt? You think that's why? My dad, I love my dad.

You think he's claiming a take that he didn't have?

I just don't think my dad thinks about the Seahawks a whole lot. But I mean, I'm not saying that thought didn't occur to my dad. I'm just saying, like, I'm thinking the question of how much Haagen-Dazs vanilla bean ice cream do we have left is a significant section of my dad's brain. And a much smaller section would be like, wither Pete Carroll. And then David from the basement said, whoa, not even sure how to feel. Why stay on in any capacity? Which is a good question. Susie B might be subbing in the Kitsap County School District right now as a security guard. So she may be offline because I'm sure she'll have thoughts. And I'll be happy to provide those thoughts and reacts. Good tomorrow. Stay tuned. I'm gonna she had an all Timer the other day that I was I think it might have actually been during the Seahawks game See if I can actually find this in the chain I I I do this things where I like screen cap my mom's text and then I like repost them and it's funny But it's also like I wonder if it's a slight violation of privacy So I'm trying to not do that as much, but oh my gosh. I'm trying to find where she basically put out an all-timer this week. I'll find that tomorrow as well. Here's my promise to you, Andrew. I'll tell you what Susie B's take is on Pete Carroll no longer head coaching the Seahawks. This is really for Amina more than anyone. And I'll find whatever that sports take was that was, it literally made me stop and laugh because it was such a, it was so specific to my mom. It was so much the kind of thing that my mom, oh, this is what it was. It wasn't sports talk. It was, I sent a picture to our family of my dad smoking his stogie and sitting by that door. Oh, I saw that picture. Was that on Instagram too? Yeah, I put it on Instagram as well. And it's the door. You know how I said I wanted to have a porthole on the door? Well, it's happened.

Oh, I didn't pay enough attention. I got to go back and look. Oh, cool.

And one of my sisters said, it's very Wes Anderson. Liz said, that's very Wes Anderson, which it is. It's very like Steve Zissou. and uh and then uh list is very wes anderson i love it and then a while goes by my mom just goes looked up wes anderson on rotten tomatoes they love his stuff those tomatoes those tomatoes love wes anderson looked up wes anderson and rotten tomatoes

loves his stuff that port looks good man i'm sorry you know i saw this photo i just scroll

I scroll by stuff so fast on Instagram, but it's, it's more like kind of three dimensional than I thought it's deeper than I thought. I like it. Um, yeah, I'm still kind of deciding. I think I, I, I, I think it's grown on me. I think in between when I had the idea and then what I ordered and then what I was thinking of, I think in initially I was thinking more of like, you know, if you're, if you're like at a, a hotel kitchen or something, like a kitchen where you've got a door that's solid, but it has a circular piece of glass so that you can kind of see if People are coming or going. One of those doors that kind of maybe goes both ways. That's, I think, what I was picturing in my mind's eye more than something that was literally like a porthole. But then I ordered a porthole off of Etsy, and then we put it on, and I actually like it now.

Yeah, I like it. I think it's cool.

Well, thank you very much. And, yeah, Wes Anderson. They love him on the long, man. They love him. Oh, my God, those tomatoes. Yeah. All right, thanks, everybody. We will be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Take care of yourselves. Go Seahawks. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. I met a guy yesterday seven feet tall. I figured he had to be in sport, but he wasn't in sport power out