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How do I act so well? What I do is I pretend to be the person I'm portraying in the film or play. Yeah. You're confused. No, I... Definitely simple, case in point. Lord of the Rings. Peter Jackson comes from New Zealand and says to me, Sir Ian, I want you to be Gandalf the wizard. And I say to him, you are aware that I am not really a wizard. and he said yes I am aware of that what I want you to do is to use your acting skills to portray the wizard for the duration of the film so I said ok and then I said to myself how would I do that and this is what I did I imagined what it would be like to be a wizard and then I pretended and acted in that way on the day. Yeah. And how did I know what to say? The words were written down for me in a script. How did I know where to stand? People told me. You see? Yeah. So, now, you would be pretending to be John in this play, and how would you know what to say? Well, the words would be in the script. Yeah. And you would learn the words. that you would not have the script on the night. And that goes for everybody. There will be no scripts on the night. You'll learn the words. Yeah, no, I think... And you'll speak them as if you were saying them for the first time. I didn't think we would have the script on the night. No, you won't. No, I... Because if you did have the script, it would break the illusion, and the whole thing is illusion, do you see? You are not really John. No, I know. You are pretending, and that is acting.

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Well, alright, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. A beautifully wrapped, glossy, sweet-smelling show. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

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Coming to you from the The Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia where it is right now the snow is holding off, but it is exceedingly cold. And they are saying that we are about to have a major winter event sweep through the area.

Oh, my God. Damn you, snow.

Right now, though, we are still we are in that moment of time where I'm willing to say that they got it wrong. And usually when I say that, like, what do these meteorologists really know? It's shortly thereafter that a foot of snow and ice falls, and then it turns out they do know what they're talking about. So we will try to get through the show today, try to keep the power up and running, keep things heated, and bring you episode 4,118 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. This is a truly wild story from ESPN, the Entertainment Sports, what's the P for? Eastern Sports, Eastern Promises? Is Viggo Mortensen working at ESPN now? I don't know what the ESPN stands for. Entertainment Sports something network? Anyway, ESPN has admitted that they were running a fairly sophisticated scheme to get Emmys for their on-air hosts who were not eligible for those Emmy Awards. These are my awards, Mother, from Army. It's really something. It involved making up fake names and then apparently re-engraving Emmy Award statues. So we'll talk about that Oh, and we'll talk to this guy The longest running co-bro of the show Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships He's already got his cold weather outfit on Turns out it's actually a tauntaun

He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning. I still think that that sounds like Bluth, like Buster Bluth getting ready to say, hey, Hermano. I can't get it out of my head. Am I the first person? Is this my legacy to be the first person to connect Tony Hale to Chewbacca? Is it Tony Hale?

Maybe so. Let's do a side-by-side. Hey, Hermano. Yeah. Hey, Hermano. You know what? They're kind of in the same key. Hey, Hermano. I don't have perfect pitch So I can't tell you what note that is But it's a similar Hey Romano My friend, Andrew You have really You've enlightened us all Already here early on this Friday program I'm going to blow your mind You ready for this? I'm going to blow your mind Mark's leaving the room Wait, Chris is leaving the room He's some guy Mark Is that guy Hey, are you I thought of you this morning As I was going up and down these very steep concrete stairs at my house that are rapidly icing over. And I thought, dang, I should have bought some snow melt or ice melt or whatever. And I thought of you because you said you went and fetched some from your garage. Are you in full snowpocalypse preparation mode?

I reject the term snowpocalypse. As do I, by the way.

Thank you for providing me the opportunity to mention that was said ironically.

Yes, I knew it was, but I wanted to give it some clearance.

No, but maybe the listeners, sorry, I asked you a question and I'm not letting you answer it, but during the Winter Games, there was something that went on that certainly added to my sense that sometimes I need to be very clear to the listeners, or maybe very clear to the person running our Instagram feed. You and I were, as we often do, butchering something related to Star Wars, and I said I'm not much of a Star Trek guy.

Oh, right.

Oh, sure. And there was some poll going around.

And I think maybe I think the poll was coming from inside the building, like the person who runs our we will never know who it is.

But it's with VPNs and various, you know, other things. It's it's it's we're never going to get down to who did this. But it's like, do I just I would like the record to reflect that if I say if we're talking about Star Wars and I say I'm not much of a Star Trek guy, like I'm doing that's that's offered as an attempt at humor. Now, the fact that I have to clarify that and explain it tells you how humorous it really was, which is not very. But even I, even with my limited knowledge of those universes, I do not think that, you know, Jabba the Hutt is part of Star Trek The Next Generation or whatever.

Now, I have made jokes like that myself, probably about as funny as yours. But I will say I am somebody who sometimes, as you well know, probably better than anybody, I talk so quickly that sometimes I just use the wrong word. It really irritates me when I do that, but I guess with me, there's a 50-50 chance I'm either spoofing or just saying the wrong word, so I guess that kind of muddies the waters a little bit, so I bring you down with me in that way.

Well, but I feel like the Instagram post was something like, do we tell him or something, you know what I mean, or do we correct him or do we just accept that this is our funny friend Luke who doesn't know the difference between the two things? And I really don't generally know the difference, but that was offered in the spirit of humor.

Do you think, and this might be complicated, although this might be a new phase of the show that actually is kind of creative and fun, should we institute something where we play a sound effect after every joke we make? So if we say something serious, no sound effect, but if we say something that we intended to be funny, we play a drop or something.

Okay, that just, like, tells everyone that was funny, like if we said...

Microwave? Yes, or what about...

We just played Nigella Lawson saying Microwave.

What was the drop that you used to play? Now, this is too long, but you have one in there that's... Can you tell I don't want to talk about the weather? Something about I was laughing and clapping until my hands fell off or something. Does that ring any bells to you at all? I'm not anyone close on that.

That's our guy Kyle Mooney, though. Oh, it is. That's our you ready to laugh and drop. Ready to laugh and drop until your socks come off? Boy, I had a lot wrong about that. There you go. You don't want to talk about the weather. I'm genuinely interested in this. I'm genuinely interested in the fact that you don't want to talk about the weather.

Let's talk about why you don't want to talk about the weather.

Well, because here's the thing. When you and I worked in commercial talk radio, I feel like we often had to – there was a certain amount of pressure to talk about stuff like the weather. And I agree with you that when you're doing local, you know, commercial talk radio, it's a lot of just kind of like, you know, it's a lot of boilerplate stuff that gets repeated very frequently throughout the broadcast hour. Like I was never particularly excited to talk about the weather on Cairo, but I'm very. excited to talk about it with you on this podcast and i can't explain what that shift is i guess it's because we don't have to give any updates on roads we don't have to find out which school district is letting kids go early i mean i can just talk about the fact that i am lamenting that i didn't get any ice melt and also the fact that i i love this for you because you're now in a home that you and genevieve own with a freestanding garage area uh you're on a you know um i don't to get too specific i don't i'll only give two of the digits in your address okay that sounds good but give them a corner lot you've got some yard you've got some some walkways up to the house and other things like you've got some hat some some what some hatches to batten down going into this

big storm for us and by the way i i'm not really avoiding talking about the weather um i don't know that it's quite as interesting up here though unless i have missed the latest on this the idea of snow has been sort of replaced with just like really really cold temperatures here which is a little bit less sexy to talk about um it did we got literally literally what you would describe as a dusting of snow late yesterday afternoon early evening and the weather real and the temperatures were really cold we had somebody see this is what i this is what i daren't bring up because this will be a whole topic of conversation. We had somebody over here, a contractor we work with who lives in the neighborhood. He kind of extended and rebuilt our deck this summer. Seth is who I'm talking about here. Longtime listeners will remember the name. Seth is I made awkward contact, eye contact with him through the window.

I believe the term was leered at him through a closed curtain.

While I was podcasting upstairs and he was working on the deck and there's just like a pane of glass between us and I'm talking to you trying not to make too much weird eye contact with him while we're both doing our jobs. Anyway, he swung by yesterday because, Luke, two words. Human door.

Need I say more? Please tell me that's not the sequel to Human Centipede.

What part of human door? Don't you understand?

You know what? Let's go back to not talking about the weather.

Beavs and I have been talking about human doors a lot lately, Luke, and this is why, because we have a little garage next to our house that is not connected to the house, and it's in kind of rough shape. Like, the garage door is a real piece of junk. It's one of those – it rolls up. Like, you know, it's not mechanical in any way. It used to be, and all the old mechanical stuff is still hanging off the ceiling. The garage needs to be kind of like somebody cut through some of the beams. You gave a name for those beams along the top. They're like an A-frame at the top. Yeah, and so somebody, like, just cut through one of those, which you need, you know, for the for the stability of the roof somebody cut through it just to install some like electronic door opener that has long since been in disrepair and like every time we go to the garage to do anything especially in the winter months it's a real disincentive because like you got to go out there unlock the padlock raise this door hope it doesn't fall off of its uh you know its runner tracks or whatever and that's the only way to get in and out of the garage and so vives and i have been dreaming about installing a human door into the garage a door on the side of the garage that it is just for us to walk through and it really will um it really will make a huge difference in our lives especially during the winter months so i assume this would be some huge project and then also have somebody come in and like restabilize the roof and you know maybe get all the junk from the from the old electric door opener off of there well seth comes by yesterday and takes a look at it he's like oh yeah no problem we're like okay like you know when should we schedule this how long is this going to take you he's like yeah probably about a day I can start whenever we're like what I it took us I took us six months just to get up the nerve to ask you about this you're just going to do it you're just going to do it in a day so anyway I'm excited about human door the reason that comes up is we were outside talking to said Seth yesterday I still

find human door in an upsetting way to describe this completely upsetting it's completely upsetting I just want to make sure that this isn't – I'm not the only person who is getting it.

That's why I love it. I don't think we started by saying it as a joke. We wouldn't have played the you're going to laugh until your socks fall off drop. I think we just started calling it that but then sort of knowingly realized how awful that sounds for some reason.

Ready to laugh and drop until your socks come off?

What does it evoke? Does it evoke a door into a human? I don't know why it's upsetting but it's upsetting.

for me it makes me think of a human being whose job is to be the door oh door you it's a it's a door that's being hoaded by a human being yeah right and it's yeah it's it's it's upsetting but but i understand how you arrived there because it's not the garage door it's not the garage door it's the human door it's the door that's for for people although i guess if you for instance it

If you were to say to me, let's just imagine I didn't know the story about the garage door and it being kind of, you know, not particularly functional or whatever. If you just said to me, it's such a hassle to get into our garage because it doesn't have a door on. It just has this jacked up garage door. So we finally got Scott to come over and he's going to put a door on. No, you know what? I still think maybe I'd be picturing because you've said the word garage and the word door. They're too closely associated. So you're right. You've got to call it a human door.

I mean, we could call it a meat door. Make it more clear and less icky. I don't know. I think I just wanted to tell you that because I'm kind of excited about this. Oh. The fact that –

Andrew, I just sent you a video while you were describing meat door. I sent you a video of us putting a human door – Oh, nice. Cutting the opening for a human door into the room that – here at my house that we've been using as kind of the main hangout spot. Like, it was where the TV was, it was where we would eat, and now that I've moved to the regular part of the house, that's going to become a bedroom, and this is one of the things that I've learned being out here is actually cutting, I mean, if you know what you're doing, cutting out the opening for a door and putting a door in is a pretty straightforward thing, but it's the satisfaction of what's been accomplished is amazing, because, I mean, that used to be a wall. I just texted you this video. It was a wall, and then within, like, five minutes, the video was sped up, but within five minutes, there's a hole there, and then now there's a door there. Yeah, I'm trying to, oh, I see, I'm watching this now.

Oh, yeah, you're cutting right through. It's like a cartoon. This is like a cartoon. I expect, like, a Wile E. Coyote to come through this human door.

So you're going to get to see that happen at your house, which is very cool.

That's really exciting.

So your garage, it sounds like what you're saying to me is you're not, because of the weather, what it's actually doing, and also because of your garage not being totally ideal, your garage lacking a meat door. You're not in full-on. I just wondered, I could see you because you like puttering and you like people not falling down at your house. I could see you getting into the idea. Although, you know the funny part? The closest I've come to falling completely ass over tea kettle recently was at your house.

Yeah, well, okay, so that is the one thing I'll say about this. That walkway is tretch. the only reason i brought up meat door was because uh we were outside with seth yesterday right as the temperatures were like dropping precipitously and the earliest signs of this little dusting of snow came out and i was gonna say like when you're out there and then i guess late last night i went out to to break up the ice in this bird bath that we bought um and uh you know i went outside for a second and in long pants but a short sleeve shirt and like it just when it's that cold outside and that's kind of like the kind of weather that maybe i grew up in more and that's one of the reasons why i just like i don't i would take a dark cloudy rainy but slightly warmer day in the 40s than like the the frigid below freezing stuff because like you're just outside for one second and you realize like it's almost impossible to survive out here which makes me you know worried for the people who don't have homes yeah um but uh you're just like you're out there for a second and you just real it's like it's almost like when you go in the ocean and you get a little feel of the undertow and you're like holy shit yes the nature is a powerful thing and like you go outside for a second you just leave the the little threshold you leave the little just cross that meat door and suddenly you're just outside you're like it is a different world

out there it's like hoth famously from star trek right um that's uh that's gonna that's gonna cause

a whole stir on instagram i'm trying to create content here so anyway so we were outside doing that but the the one thing that i would say is relevant i don't think more snow is necessarily coming here into seattle unless i've missed the the latest i think that's hitting oregon more but we are for the first time since i've lived in seattle prepared with a shovel and sidewalk salt like i've always been a renter so either we haven't had property that we've been responsible for or we weren't prepared like in our last place our landlord didn't take care of shit so it was sort of up to us or the other the business that rented there to clean the sidewalk that was really treacherous but we never thought to buy a snow shovel or salt in advance until the snow already came and because it's rare here in Seattle once the snow comes the entire city is already out of snow supplies usually right so last year during one of the right after one of the snows I said we are homeowners now we are responsible for our own walkways and we will be prepared for next winter so I went and I got a snow shovel and I got some salt it hasn't been opened yet it's been in the garage for a year and it is now it is prepped on the back porch ready to go if we're to need it but I'm thinking... treacherous walkways won't be an issue for us if I understand it correctly I am a need to get me

some of that that rock salt or whatever ice melt because like I said these stairs at my house are like like I don't even feel super safe going up and down them and I'm still fairly mobile but I have allegedly some people showing up from the Home Depot tomorrow to deliver a refrigerator a dishwasher and a stove and i do not want them go i'm considering well first of all i don't think there's any way it's going to happen like i feel like i'm going what's going to happen is i'm the plan is i'm going to go down to portland tonight um hang out with becca and then tomorrow i'm going to come back up here in time to meet the the delivery folks i have a feeling that as i'm driving back up here tomorrow braving whatever the conditions are on the roadways i will get a Some auto-generated text from the Home Depot saying, oh, we're not delivering today, which, by the way, I don't begrudge them that this is up here where it is pretty cold and it's going to be real icy. I don't think this is the right weather for carrying a refrigerator down the stairs to my house. Like, I literally had the thought this morning, is this a liability for me? Oh, interesting. Like, if these folks were to become injured trying to, if they did show up and they were trying to do the delivery and they were injured, is that on me? Like, I just I don't need and all the stuff is going to just be in the box for a while. Anyway, I'm not even really using it. So at the very least, I need to make sure that there's not a thick layer of ice on the stairs trying to get down to my house.

So, yeah, you know, I was thinking about that yesterday again, like just sort of really thinking about the impact of these of these really, you know, cold temperatures in an area where we don't have cold temperatures a lot. And I was standing in my kitchen. I've been having a couple of moments. I've got to say, I've been thinking about our friend and realtor Sarah lately because I've had a couple of moments. Now, we're here about – we've been living in this house for about a year and a half. And yesterday or the day before, I made a big dinner. And then after dinner, I was like kind of washing the dishes and kind of looking out the window in the – you know, doing the dishes and looking out the window that hangs above the sink. You should really screw that window up. It just sort of dangles there. You know why it's so cold in your house?

a window is just hung by a couple of pieces of yarn but as part of a little housewarming gift

um that sarah gave us when we moved in she gave us a little um prism like a little teardrop prism thing that's you know it's a small little just a little doohickey on fishing line that's funny my my my teardrop from prison is a totally different thing um but anyway i was trying to think of a prison joke and i couldn't think of any um but anyway i hung that on that kitchen window like when we were first moving in and we still had a million painting projects and we weren't settled yet and i thought i'll hang this here and it'll always be a little reminder that you know like it's the this is the moment i was looking forward to when everything would be settled and we're just cozy here and i'm doing my dishes and looking out the window i always love in my old apartment we had a window above the sink but it just looked out at some piece of shit building that was like cardboarded up or something. And so like, I don't know, it's just like that little prism that hangs there is a little reminder of how lucky we are and how I appreciate, I just appreciate everything, Luke. I appreciate everything. That's good.

I'm glad that you're having those moments. Yeah, yeah. Because it's, you know, it's a big undertaking to buy a house and take care of a house. And I'm trying to, with what I've been doing here, I'm trying to also appreciate those. and i've still got a long way to go but like you know just something like i uh this will this will be in the uh the hey dummies video this week a little preview i uh i realized that um i wanted to make a soup but i had to just find stuff in my house and i made this made this soup and it was actually pretty yummy and i was sitting in in there and i was you know it was watching our our friend chris hayes on television and it was like uh at the time anyway the house was pretty cozy because i've been running the pellet stove a lot and i just like was like oh yeah this is kind of like this is what a lot of expense and hassle uh has been in in the service of and so when you get those little moments one you're right it's huge privilege so it's like i feel really lucky that that that this is a place that i can have and then also it's it's just good to it's good to enjoy those moments because uh a lot of the other moments associated with life and home

ownership and whatever are just not great yeah and i i don't know boy i'm really tangenty today like i raised all of that for a reason that had nothing to do with what you asked me you asked me about the weather i go into meat doors you you you're talking about delivery and i'm talking about prison well anyway the point is i i've been doing a lot of staring out the window thinking about my lot in life lately maybe it's the set up right and anyway so i was looking out our kitchen window and i saw a um ups truck drive by yesterday evening uh and again very forefront of my mind is how goddamn cold it is and i thought you know what it might be almost a bummer if you're somebody who is a delivery driver right now to have the snow not arrive but the cold does arrive yeah right because like if the snow arrives now and i don't know what people's situations is if it's a hit on your paycheck or whatever if you can't work because of the snow but like generally speaking like it's dangerous out there with the snow on the ground so it's going to shut down delivery it's going to shut down the possibility of you driving up the hill to our house to deliver something right but cold you can still drive through but it's still dangerous and it still sucks and so like the people who are driving these trucks are like still driving in like really shitty conditions it's just that the shitty conditions are making their nose hairs freeze uh and the ice this is this is how i know

that i'm getting old thinking about ice is a way bigger part of my week yeah yeah then it used to be like because that's the thing even like it's already snowed up here once this week but i drove out just fine because it was just like kind of wet snow um but what i'm really worried about is a thin layer of ice that makes everything slippery both for me getting around and for like my vehicle and stuff so like if you're a you know delivery driver and that's practically the number one job in america now at least by volume you know and i have to say like my hat is off to the folks that are delivering things in this day and age because i mean some of them i do think make pretty good money the word on the street is that ups drivers are paid pretty well but still it's a hard job And there's a lot of it's like the ways that things get delivered. The delivery economy is so strange now. So I ordered some doors from Home Depot. I know you never figured me for a doors fan.

What kind of a door, like a meat door, would you describe it as a human door?

Yeah, kind of more like a human meat door.

OK, a human meat door. Sure. Yeah. Now I can picture it. Thank you.

He introduced himself when he got here. He was like, I'm Greg, which was weird. I was like, no eye contact. um but i we i had i ordered some of these doors uh for for in the house and um they were delivered and they were both they were because again the the the i couldn't buy these at the store like they were not available at the local home depot location i couldn't just drive down and get them but i could order them and have them at my house in three hours which is like how does that where are you keeping them that I can't just go get these and and and but also because they were because of the intense complexity of our like of our logistics chain of delivery one of like I ordered three or four doors and like one of them came from some warehouse and then the three other ones came from a different warehouse but they're all from Home Depot and they're all gonna be here on the same day two different dudes in a mini in different minivans showed up to me these doors and they didn't it wasn't like a home depot minivan it was like a guy's civilian minivan and clearly what these guys have figured out is that there is some sort of level of delivery that home depot is using where they don't want to send a big truck out but you can you know if you know what you're doing and if you know what email list to be on or something somehow these guys independently got alerted that there was a door that needed to go from somewhere up to my house and the fact that they both had minivans tells me that they've figured out that that's the exact right size vehicle for doing this like if you take the seats out you can fit a door in there but it's relatively okay on gas versus like a larger truck but it's con like if it's raining the door's not going to get wet like there is now this level of like dude maybe not originally from the u.s driving a minivan that are out delivering up here you know what i mean like and somehow that just like nature found a way like that became the way that Home Depot is getting this stuff to people's houses instead of sending someone who's wearing a Home Depot uniform in their whole thing there's just so many different layers of that kind of stuff going on now it's just crazy but anyway I really appreciate the people doing that I think you heard me yesterday Andrew was after the show you heard me like opening the slider here next to where I do the show from and hollering over to an amazon guy who was just trudging down my neighbor's really long and snowbound driveway because he couldn't get his amazon truck down the driveway but he was still going to deliver this thing whatever it was and i was worried that he was trying to bring it to my house because there's often a lot of confusion i just didn't want him um going all the way down but i was like that is dedication man like if if i have to like You

stop i have to park my amazon van a quarter to a half a mile away from something and then walk in like ankle deep snow to drop something off uh i'm not doing that like that is not for me that is not the life for me like so i just want to say thanks to all the really hard-working people who are out there making life livable for us by by dealing with that kind of yeah no kidding um so i what

is the situation i told you it's just really cold here i checked the temperature and it is 17 degrees outside my window right now which just makes me again very grateful that i have this window dangling this this hanging dangling window um but uh so you gotta get a human i gotta get the the human window now i'll talk to greg doesn't the human window now it sort of sounds like that is some sort of a like a maybe an early 2000s like um drama Like almost maybe a British drama Film Can you sort of see that Like The Human Window Directed by

Who's the guy, Mike Figgis I don't know who Mike Figgis is I think he did a lot of these real talky movies That were coming out of the UK In the 90s He was a real favorite of cinephiles Of course I can't give you the name of any of those movies But they were always like A movie where primarily British people are talking to each other

And love and loss and tragedy and Alzheimer's, like, I don't know, like something like that, like the human, the human, the human window. Yeah.

It's actually not as cold down here as it is where you are. It's right now. It's a balmy 28 degrees. Oh, wow. Must be nice. I mean, I'm currently in his shorts. But isn't our friend Bean, who hasn't worn long pants? Yes, I believe so. Did he wear pants to get inducted into, like, Radio Hall of Fame or something?

I think he wore pants. I think he put on like a tuxedo or a suit or something, but I don't think he's worn pants since.

But so we really can move on from this now. But the thing I'll say is throughout most of my life, when it comes to weather stuff, I always just kind of feel like they don't know what they're talking about. And I'm going to be fine and I'll just get through whatever is going on. And again, this, I think, is just the aging process. but I'm like okay I'm going to go down off this hill this afternoon and I'm going to go down to Portland and I'm going to stay over in Portland with Becca and then supposedly down here the big storm that's going to hit Portland is going to start like later tonight and go through Saturday and into Saturday night and I don't know what that looks like so am I going to then get trapped down there am I going to be able to get back up here is the weather situation up here at 500 feet of elevation going to be like am I going to be driving up the road thinking I'm fine and then i turn to go down my little driveway road and it's like an ice sheet there are these question marks and i'm normally the kind of person who just like is like it'll be fine but i'm getting old and fragile and i'm like now will it be fine yeah throw a blanket throw an extra blanket in the back of your car i am gonna bring i'm not kidding i'm gonna bring multiple changes of clothes you should uh i'm gonna be ready to maybe i should probably bring my gear maybe i have to do the show from portland on monday i don't know um it's a it's it's a it's a big question mark but um but we'll i'll figure it out and i'll have some kind of report for you on monday hey let's thank some donors these are the wonderful people who are supporting tbtl making this whole thing possible, we absolutely could not do this without you. I was on a meeting yesterday, Andrew, with some LiveWire folks, and I was talking to somebody who has an agent, and I guess this is a fairly large agency that also has a podcast division. And what this person had been told by the people in the podcast division of this, I think, large talent agency was, podcasting is dying i don't mean to laugh but podcasting isn't dying it's just

reverting to the mean like i just right it got it just ballooned we saw it happening i remember

giving giving megan and harry 20 million dollars to do one episode of podcasting is dying yeah exactly but but it when i heard that though podcasting is dying i i didn't because i didn't want to get into it but i felt like saying not over in tbtl land it's not the thing is oh well

i'm having troubles today i'm having trouble both speaking when i should be speaking and then shutting up when i should be shutting up but i think that the issue with podcast i'm in a weird place today say that i've been staying up too late is what's happening and now at the end of the week i think my brain is fried i've been playing a video game luke that i call horse commander three i'll explain that later excuse me there's a reason it's kind of a andrew l soth of Madison, Wisconsin, Andrew. Demands to know what Horse Commander 3 is. Andrew's our first donor today.

I'll tell you and Andrew L. Soth in Madison, Wisconsin, about Horse Commander 3 and why I call it that maybe a little bit later on in the show. But I'll just say this. I think the issue with podcasting is the closest parallel to that medium is radio. Podcasting should have mirrored radio in certain ways. But instead, people started to get dollar signs in their eyes and they're like, no, no, this is like Hollywood. this is like the movie industry and it's just such a huge leap to say oh yeah this audio medium what is it most like we're gonna get tons of money like they do in la la land and it's like i just think that that was a misguided notion from the beginning that led a lot of people astray

that's such an interesting theory and i i think i tend to agree with it but i also wonder where then all the video podcasting which i think is what most people now just call podcasting where that resides but but but it's i mean this is that's not me disagreeing with you it's me i totally i hear you and i think you're right that this idea that audio podcasts need to thank 37 executive producers at the end of the audio podcast like a studio system is ridiculous and i i mean we see that crumbling everywhere that model but then i also do think it's not hollywood but like what is going on with all the like all of the podcasts that I I guess I see a lot of podcasts on TikTok and they're obviously being you know they're shot on video as well as probably audio I don't know but like do we draw a distinction between a podcast that is primarily video and moving pictures versus one that's primarily audio and are we in a more and more narrow category as

the people just doing this as audio yeah that's a really good point and in fact maybe the better parallel to maybe not hollywood but more like the the netflix and the hulu and all the splintering of like what what television became um with the streaming services maybe that's a better parallel to what people were trying to make podcasting and then when you do throw in the video elements of it that's a good point you know i don't think i've ever mentioned this on the show before but i listened to this podcast it's like a sports comedy podcast out of out of miami called the Dan Levitard show with Stu Gox check it out I think you you might like it but I listen to it a lot and I've noticed that in the past I'm gonna say six months they've really been because there's a video component of their show too you can watch and listen to the whole thing on YouTube I don't because I'm a putterer and I like to have things in my ears and my phone in my pocket while I play darts and wash dishes and look at prisms in my window you know but I feel like they are making a concerted effort more and more to bring visual programming to it as a way of move i can feel the machinations of trying to get literally me and people like me off of the podcast and onto the youtubes because they're making more and more visual content and doing less and less and i do feel like they're weaning off of it they're like doing less and less explaining what we're seeing it still doesn't bother me it's still like listening in on a tv show where i can get a I can get enough of it and I can sort of picture what they're talking about as much as I care to. But I feel like there is like a very specific move of trying to get people to watch your programming more. And I mean, as we thank these donors today, like, I mean, that is something that you and I have talked about, too. Like, how can we how can we bring more like kind of we've been doing little videos that we send out in various newsletters. But, you know, we'll what will this show look like in a few years? We may have to continue to evolve as well, as much as you and I are old fuddy-duddies.

How can we get Carla Beck of Kent, Washington, to look at our faces more? That's exactly. And why does Carla Beck want to look at our faces more is a better question. But I mean, just to put a, I guess, a bow on that or whatever, like maybe it's just because I'm old and the way that I use podcasting is, like you said, as an audio product, I love to listen to the daily. while I'm on my little jogs. I love to listen to This American Life while I'm maybe working in the yard or whatever. I was listening to a lot of New Yorker Radio Hour when I was doing some projects during the Winter Games. It, to me, is audio because it allows me to do other things, and that's what I like about it. I don't want it to, personally, I don't need to watch the Dan Lebitard show, but I would very much listen to it while I was doing other things. But is that a generational thing? Is that not, I mean, I know my daughter loves, oh gosh, I'm not going to be able to remember her name, but there's a kind of, I don't want to misdescribe it, but there's basically like a woman who's kind of a lifestyle, I don't want to say lifestyle coach because that makes it sound corny or something, but there's basically like a woman whose name I can't quite remember, but that at

loves to like go out on her early morning walk and listen to this particular person who's kind of talking about life and and theories for for getting through life you know and being happy etc that's a utility right like that's a that's a thing you can listen to while you're walking like that's how i use most of this content it's not something i want to sit down and put on my smart

television you know what i wish and this is going to sound bananas but i wish we had somebody on our thank you list today who understands the industry of like podcasting and how it's evolving. Like almost like an insider. I wish we had an insider that we could thank who could clear these things up for us. What if that,

what if, and just again, I'm just blue sky in here, okay? What if said insider was also the person who actually hired us to work at American Public Media lo those many years ago. What if that person was... Steve Nelson of St. Paul, Minnesota. Oh, we've got that too, don't worry. Don't believe you, me, my friend. I love it when you play Tony Hale. Okay, are these the same note? This is exactly the kind of content that Steve would have said, please do less of that. So here we go. We're doing this. It's really happening here. Okay, so...

Hey, Romano. Hey. That is a jam.

Yeah, no, I mean, Andrew, you're being kind of hard on yourself today, talking about tangents and whatnot, but, boy, you really unlocked something. All of these drums. Come on up.

Yeah, somebody with some musical talent, man. Let's match that up. Steve, thank you so much.

Steve really used to be our boss and really is donating his own hard-earned money to this program all these years later. It's an incredibly kind thing, and we really do appreciate it. I wonder how much of that is just so Steve doesn't feel like he made a terrible mistake in hiring us. Like, the longer that TBTL exists, the more he can say, yeah, I was on to something. Maybe it wasn't good for APM, but it was a strong idea, TBTL.

Yeah, I would thank him in our credits, by the way, if we had credits for sure. I feel like I slash we owe a lot to Steve Nelson. He's a great person, a great colleague and boss, and also a really good friend.

I am very up for thanking people who legitimately have helped the show's existence. I would thank Steve Nelson. I would thank Gen Flash Andrews. I would thank Sean DiTorre.

Where would the Rodfather fit in all of that?

Well, since he made that video for our 4,000th episode, I might throw him. No, I wouldn't throw the Rodfather in because that's the whole thing. And by the way, to the Rodfather's credit, he never asked that we thank him at the end of the show. True. That was, I just moved my chair and it sounded exactly like El Ropo. Hey. Did you hear that? Yeah, sorry, I talked over it. No, I'm moving the microphone down.

That's pretty good.

Did you kind of hear that?

So, podcasting's dying, you say.

Oh, God, thanks, Steve. Thanks also to Dave Austin of Snohomish, Washington.

Not to be confused with Dave Snohomish of Austin, Texas.

Right, right. No, that's tomorrow we're going to thank him. Yeah, this is Dave Austin. But you're saying it's a Saturday. I'm going to break into our normal weekend plans to thank the other Dave. But today we're thanking Dave Austin. Thank you, Dave. And we're also thanking Emily Lind, who's in Moundsview, Minnesota. Thank you. Look at that. St. Paul, Mound's View. So do you think Mound's View is that you have a view of the mound?

Or do you have a view because you're on top of the mound?

On the mound, and you've got a view of everything else. Is it like, oh, I can see the mound from my house? Is it a meat mound?

I'm sorry, Emily. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't say that. You thought I said that, but I didn't.

And also, you can't take back your donations just because you said that. I don't know if you've read the fine print on supporting the show.

Thank you. We've met Emily a couple of times. Emily is a knitter, I believe. Thank you, Emily.

Uh-huh. Thanks also. I mean, let's be honest. That's a pretty fair, that's a pretty safe guess with most of our listeners.

That's true. That is true.

Yeah. They are, yeah, if we say someone's name and then say that they're very interested in knitting, I mean, that's going to hit like at least 60% of our listening population. Sure, I believe that. But Emily is one of them. Thanks, Emily. And then thanks to Craig Berenger, who's in Edmonds, Washington. Don't say it, Andrew. Don't say culturally Edmonds, okay?

Edmonds, Edmonds. Yeah, exactly.

Thank you to all of our donors for making today's show possible.

Couldn't do it without you. I feel a young heart growing. Oh, thank you, baby. Hello and welcome to Top Story. Um, I, this is the boringest place for me to start this story, Andrew, but I saw a headline New York Post the other day about this ESPN Emmys, I guess, scandal, although the stakes are kind of so low, I don't know if you really call it a scandal. And I didn't read it because I thought, well, of course, the New York Post has it out for ESPN. They probably think ESPN is woke or something. But here's what's killing me. It was the funniest headline I've seen in forever. And I meant to email it to myself so that I could tell you about it. Because the headline that they put in the new york post about espn getting in trouble um over this shady emmys thing which we'll discuss in a minute the headline was it was so genius and i spent easily an hour this morning you know how i texted you i said i'm running a little behind today it was because i was trying to find the story for the version of this that showed up in the new york post like two days ago as opposed to the version that is currently there because you know the story's been out for a couple of days it was first reported in the athletic by the way shout out to katie strang oh yeah great piece in the athletic or at least fascinating piece in the athletic about something that went on at espn involving getting emmys for some of their on-air hosts and correspondence this is how the piece starts in march 2023 shelley smith who worked 26 years as an on-air reporter for espn received a call from stephanie drooly then the network's head of studio and event production drooly said she wanted to talk about something quote serious that needed to stay between the two of them smith recalled she then told smith that smith needed to return two sports emmy statuettes that she had been given more than a decade earlier The request was one of many ESPN made Of some of its biggest stars last year After the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences Natus The organization that administers the Emmys Uncovered a scheme that the network used To acquire more than 30 of the coveted statuettes For on-air talent who were ineligible to receive them

And some big names too Names that people would recognize

Kirk Herbstreet, Lee Corso, Chris Fowler

Desmond Howard now you're reading directly from the original reporting from the athletic I want to make that clear because the way you set that up but you but you were spending time today hunting

down the first you had seen of this in the post I what I saw in the New York Post a day or two ago was there basically re what's the word I'm looking for like the athletic of it yeah regurgitation like so the athletic Katie Strang and whomever else at the athletic which is now a subset of the New York Times basically did the real reporting on this but then all these other news organizations and I guess we do a version of that on this show I didn't call these people you take the source material which is usually from either the New York Times or the Washington Post and then you kind of you sort of reconstitute it and then report it out yourself and put it in your thing and the New York Post version which involved no original reporting that I could tell just had a hell of a headline that was a play on the something having to do with the Emmys

or espn or whatever oh and you still don't know what i thought you were just like teasing us along no i don't know what it is oh i thought you found it this morning and i thought you were we're all waiting here that's why i was trying to get i was trying to reset for you so that you could lay it on us you still don't know i don't know it because it's okay god damn today is just an amazing show of me just taking things into weird places that they don't need to go but is this one of those issues where um it's like you don't just like kind of produce a story and it goes in the newspaper and then you produce follow-up stories now because everything lives online it's always like one story that is constantly morphing and updating and so probably whatever you saw before just simply doesn't exist because it's morphed into something else exactly the story is still

i'm at the website for the new york post i'm scrolling through and i will eventually get down to the whatever their version the latest version of this story is but it doesn't have the same headline that the initial version had one or two days ago because it has evolved and there's been again not any real original reporting but you know this or that has been added to it i even went into the story the version of it that was out today i went into it and i clicked on every hyperlink trying to find the version that they put out two days ago but that doesn't exist because Because that version is not important anymore. I desperately want to find out what that headline was But I don't have it in front of me

I'm assuming it was punny in some way

It was punny It was punny and funny, my friend It was really good Because the New York Post is a total rag I read it way too much They have a horrible conservative bent Every morning they go like How can we try to mislead people about Hunter Biden I don't know why I reward them with so much airtime on this show And why I read it so much But it's part of it is because sometimes they do have a headline that's so funny that it makes me like literally LOL. And this was one of those things. But now I can't get back to it.

I want to let you know, I've had this tab open on my screen since we started the show. What ESPN stands for. I looked it up while you were bringing that up. Did you want to take one? What did you what did you land on? What do you think?

I thought it was entertainment sports something network.

Mm hmm. it's entertainment and sports programming network i think you were i think you might have even said all of those words i don't think i said you don't think you said programming

that feels unnecessary why didn't they just go with esn like why that's a good question sports programming but what yeah no shit sherlock you're programming the stuff that's interesting i'm

looking at a blurb from the actual espn uh website which is actually i kind of like their tone here It says, when ESPN started in 1979, we were the Entertainment and Sports Programming Network, thus ESPN. However, that name took too long to paint across our chests on game day, so we dropped it in 85 and adopted the new corporate name, ESPN, and a new logo. Which I have a question for you.

Oh, I see. So they were using each word before, back in the early Bristol, Connecticut days.

I mean, even more so, you should just call it the Entertainment and Sports Network, not Entertainment and Sports Programming Network. like that is bananas do you think and again it's really important that i just keep interrupting and not let us get to the actual topics today do you think that that famous espn font is trademarkable because there is a janky billboard in my neighborhood or kind of close to my neighborhood that is for some i think some uh like kick fighting gym some sort of martial arts gym that's going to open up and they're using clearly the espn font you should report them and i was like are you allowed to maybe you are i'm not sure i mean you can buy fonts you can like kind of like license a font to me i doubt that this i doubt this gym license it for this vinyl sign maybe your dad made the sign who even knows um well don't drag him into this do you think that the espn font do you think that like i could just like use that for tbtl and not get in trouble i doubt it

i mean i think officially i'm sure that it's you know they're not a they're not not lawyered up over there at disney um i mean espn itself is a pretty amazing story what about steamboat font what about steamboat font sorry sorry i love it um like espn itself is a pretty interesting thing now you know it's it's taken on this whole other life and it's you know part of it's part of disney now and everything whatever but like the idea that this like regional little sports channel that was probably showing high school hockey games or something circa the late 1970s, grew to be this whole thing. And it's still based out of Bristol, Connecticut, of all places. It's kind of a cool story. Again, the ending of it is probably not great. And they've gotten rid of a lot of the people that I thought were really good. I thought Levitard was great. I still do. Kenny Mayne I'm a big fan of. Folks like that. But anyway, here's what ESPN, and I don't have to say allegedly because they've admitted to this now. Here's what ESPN was doing. They were basically trying to trick the Emmys organization into giving them awards for made up people so that they could then take those awards. I'm talking statuettes. They could take those statuettes and then take them to someone and have them re-engraved and given to their on-air hosts, folks like Kirk Herbstreet, Lee Corso, Chris Fowler, Desmond Howard, Samantha Ponder, Linda Cohn. I always root for Linda Cohn because she used to be in Seattle at Cairo. And she, my mom used to have this job when we lived in Seattle, my mom would sometimes kind of run this like babysitting room they had at the, um, at the Evans pool gym. So the Green Lake community center, they basically had like a big room where if you were going to go swim, but you had like a toddler, you could like, you know, there was a daycare center essentially where your kid could hang out. And I remember my mom would like pick up shifts there sometimes. And one time she said, yeah, I was really hit it off with this lady who brought her kid in, and she's the sports person over at Kyra. Her name is Linda Cohn. I was like, you babysat Linda Cohn's kid. Are you shitting me right now? That was as close as I got to fame as a kid. Wow.

And no longer with ESPN? Still, I'm still with ESPN. OK, gotcha. But so basically what appears to have happened, well, so here are the rules about the Emmys, I guess. If you are like, let's say, Kirk Herbstreet and Lee Corso, so those are like some of the guys that are on College Game Day. If you are one of the hosts, I guess you'd call them, if the College Game Day broadcast, if that broadcast itself, if that show wins an Emmy, you can then, you are not allowed to win an Emmy for hosting. It's called double dipping, and they've got a rule about this at the Emmys. So you could win. The show can win, but you cannot then also win as the host.

Or probably even maybe even apply to win. Like for all these awards you have to submit, right, as an organization. So in other words, if I was at ESPN and I hosted an ESPN show called Last Take, right, and Last Take is up for a bunch of awards, I can't have my name on the staff of that award submission if I'm also trying to win best host of a sports radio show or sports television show.

Right. Okay. And I think you could probably win for host, but there's only one person who's going to get that. Right. But you're not considered a staffer. Well, you're not considered a staffer on the show. So if the show wins, it's not for the hosts. If the show wins, it's for the people that put the show together. and so some they think actually this one particular executive who's been run out of there now i don't have his name right in front of me but they think that this was maybe he kind of spearheaded this thing i think his name is like lee fitting or something what they did was they would when they would submit for the emmys for like college game day there would be a list of a bunch of employees who were the staffers on college game day the show who were clearly just substitute names for the hosts so there was someone named kirk henry on there which is suspiciously close to kirk herb street okay there was somebody named lee clark which it sounds a lot like lee corso there was a guy named dirk howard which is pretty close to desmond howard there was a guy named tim richard who we now think was tom rinaldi somebody named uh stephen ponder which they think was samantha ponder chris fulton who we now know to be chris fowler somebody named shelly saunders who we think was shelly smith and this one was kind of great there was a gene wilson on there who we think was really gene wojohowski oh okay i like that they did they were like don't polish up the last name too much everyone else is just like one letter off but they didn't go with like you know Steve Wojohowski or whatever they were with like Gene Wilson

and what's Woj's first name are there two Woj's out there because is there an

Adrian Wojnowski that's Wojnarski oh okay I'm not kidding yeah yeah like they're very close names and I always mix them up okay but basically what and here's the thing I want to point out it doesn't sound like any of the people who got these fake awards knew that they were fake awards there's no indication that any of these people were like calling up the espn producers this leaf fitting guy or whoever it was and saying hey can you like can you can you submit me as kirk henry and then get the emmy and then take the thing off and have a new one that says kirk herb street can put on the statuette and then send it to me like everyone a lot of the people didn't want to talk to the athletic that people that got the fake awards but the ones that did were like I had literally no idea this was going on like yeah a statuette just showed up at my house one day and I was like cool I got this thing which by the way completely checks out with my experience of like working at CBS and and I mean except for the fact that we have to pay for our own so I definitely knew when I was getting one of these things which I was just getting because I work on the show so I get it's odd I don't why the rules are different but cbs basically sends out a thing sunday morning sends out a thing if sunday morning wins an emmy for something that like if you were one of the people that i guess worked on that episode or something you can technically claim that you're an emmy winner but there's like a list and if you're on the list then you can like send in the 400 and get your statue i guess at espn they just give them the statue that's when you know you've really arrived someone else pays for your statue but like i am so shocked first of all that the people that put the emmys together actually launched this investigation because this the the athletic found out about this because of this investigation that had gone on meaning natus this national association of television arts and sciences somebody there figured out that there was was something fishy going on with the lee clarks and

Dirk Howards of the world and actually went in and did like a thorough investigation and figured out this whole thing was going on. And ESPN had to apologize and then had to literally repossess the statues from these people.

I bet you was a leak, by the way, don't you think? Like somebody over at whatever the organization is, the awards organization. What was it? N-A-S-A-T? Yeah. N-A-T-A-S. N-A-T-A-S. That's exactly what I said. But somebody was having drinks, right? And somebody said, well, you know that they were using fake names or something. I don't know. Or maybe it was a more deliberate leak. But somebody, I'll bet you at ESPN, somewhat spilled the beans or something. And they started probably pulling on threads.

I just because, again, I have a couple of these. I mean, these are daytime Emmys, which I think are the lowest local Emmy. i think that the hierarchy is like whatever these espn ones i don't know if those are like emmy emmys and then there's daytime emmys and then there's local emmys that's the pecking order i think and what i have is a daytime emmy but like it's so not i i fully believe that i could just hack into that website and just have them send me like there's literally three or four more of these that I'm allegedly like entitled to because of just being on the show at the time when the show itself won the award. It seems like such a low level of security. Like, I honestly think this is because this organization, the Emmys or Nottis or whatever, it's like their reason for existing is to give out this kind of hokey award to people who will then promote this hokey award because we're proud of getting it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm shocked that there was any institutional appetite for repossessing these from people they just seem so kind of silly and made up anyway this piece in the athletic ends with shortly after getting smith's call or shortly after smith's call with drooly that's shelly smith who's no longer at espn was the one who got the call that basically said your your emmy you won was ill gotten um shortly after her call with Truly, last March, a courier arrived at her California home, wrapped the 2008 statuette up in a white plastic bag and took it away.

Bag it and tag it.

Like, I mean, it's just it's just wild to me that there's this level of like, have we have we re-secured the goods of these silly ass little things that are completely an invention and fabrication anyway.

I heard they came into the house like the scientists in E.T. they had like kind of white first of all they had yeah they hermetically sealed the entire house

there was one point where Shelly Smith was really sad and a flower started dying but then we saw a trail of Reese's Pieces and the flower came back to life

I don't actually remember that detail but that's all from Star Trek make you laugh

I like it more the image that I really like is the idea that like poor Shelly Smith again who there is absolutely zero indication of any wrongdoing on the part of any of the people who got these awards But like I the poor Shelly Smith just sitting in her home like just doing whatever she's doing and then they do that move Where they swing down on ropes from the higher level of the home and kick in the window Yeah, yeah, I can totally see that to get these I mean that the the the question That's not fully answered in the piece, but that's sort of kind of answered is basically why oh my god Why would they do this and it seems to be the strongest the strongest sort of explanation would be that for the executives of these shows who have who obsess over winning these things and like if you're the executive of one of these shows then you probably also win one that like there are executives at ESPN who would just have shelves and shelves and shelves of these things in their offices and that they would it was really like bragging rights and somehow having Kirk Herbstreet have one I don't know if like every time somebody on your show gets one then you as the executive of the show get another one but it seemed like this was more about the executives of these shows wanting to feather their nests somehow either by extension or literally getting more of these statuettes yeah I was gonna and that was really the level it was at you get the impression that

I mean these hosts they you know these hosts don't care I mean I don't know for sure how all of them feel about this but you definitely get the impression from this article that like the host are just like oh I got one cool you know but I mean they've already reached such a level of success it doesn't seem like whoever orchestrated the scheme was doing it because these hosts needed fluffing right or we're reaching out

going please make this happen now like Linda Cohn like posted on Instagram because she had gotten another one of these things which now I mean again the level it's just so crazy to be the level of scrutiny this is now getting because what they do in the athletic is they zoom in and they look at what is on written on the on the trophies or whatever oh my gosh to figure out which ones are legit like one of them is legit and then like three of them aren't or something and so like lynda cohen's putting them on instagram because she's proud of it because you know she thinks that she won this thing and she feels good about it because she works hard and i think lynda cohen is great by the way and as i listen i paid 800 400 twice to have two of these dumb things that are in this room with me i clearly have some level of being proud of it or i wouldn't have done it i do also think that they make kind of legit awesome bookends like but um but like so so there's a little bit of you know the the the quote unquote talent i i hate that terminology by the way for the people that are on air or like when i'm when i'm shooting that the the videos for that large software concern sometimes someone will be like okay the talent is here and i'm always like oh that's cringy but i'm sure that the people that were getting these weren't like sad about it but i'm with you andrew i don't think i don't think lee corso was getting up in the morning when he's about to go put on a um you know sit there on college game day and everyone's going to be waiting for him to put on like a texas longhorn weird big head to indicate that he thinks the longhorns you know about this whole

ritual uh that's the game day thing i know that they have a bunch of rituals that i'm not i don't know if i know about this particular one or i heard about it in passing this big ritual is um

he you know he'll he'll predict which team he thinks is going to win everyone gives their prediction but lee corso because he's been there the longest he gets to like put on this like oversized head that's an indicator of like if he's picking michigan or washington i didn't see that Part of the game day leading up to the national Championship because I was getting a Papa Murphy's pizza but I'm guessing you put on like a Michigan It's not just a helmet though it's usually some Other silly ass thing that's Large and made out of foam and then everyone Goes crazy when he makes his prediction That by the way and this is not where We need to take the show as we wrap the week up But that's kind of an interesting Dynamic on that show college Game day because Lee Corso is Definitely not young anymore And I had heard I wonder if this come up on your lebitard listening but i had heard about an interview with kirk herb street that was very emotional kirk herb street is a guy who's a big college you know analyst for espn and uh and and was a college quarterback and i he's been very close with this guy lee corso they've done this college game day show for years and years and lee corso is is definitely getting to the sort of end of his ability to be um you know doing a lot of like on camera stuff and it was really interesting to watch the way that the other people in the college game day thing are kind of trying to manage Lee Corso now for his own good. And Kirk Herbstreet apparently is very close to Lee Corso and really like has a lot of affection for the guy. It feels like Lee Corso really kind of helped build his career, Kirk Herbstreet's career. But it was weird to me, not weird, but it was interesting to, as my dad and I were working on the house, I had it on the TV, the pregame. And it was interesting because this is something that most of us if we haven't dealt with it we will deal with it in our own life which is dealing with an elderly relative somebody who's kind of slowing down somebody who's maybe not following everything the way they once did this is part of the life cycle and it's interesting to watch it unfold on national television you know that's interesting

yeah I didn't know that you know I always hear about all these names but I don't have a lot of context for it because I don't have ESPN I'm not traditionally a big ESPN watcher you don't have the programming network i don't i'm sorry that's right the entertainment and sports programming network um so i kind of hear these names fly by on levitard and other things all the time but i don't really have the context for it so i didn't realize that he's sort of that old so he's like kind of at this place where he's very revered and he has this spot on this show but he's probably it's getting a little risky to have him behind a live microphone is that i was feeling like this

might be his last show the thing that i watched before the national championship and i wonder if this maybe the idea was they wanted to get him through this season it it just felt again i don't say this to be cruel towards lee corso or anything it just felt like that kind of thing we've all experienced being in the room with the relative who's who's you know who's aging and how you kind of have to change how you talk to them and how you tee things up for them and kind of how you react to them like we've all been part of that dynamic it's very rare that that's happening with this big set you know at NRG Stadium in Houston but it was the dynamic was immediately identifiable for me about what was going on with which I just was again it's just not usually where you see

that kind of stuff play out if you want to credit I was just sort of googling around while you're talking I think maybe this article slash profile that you were talking about might have come from gq sports okay it looks like there's a big profile here and it says if you're cynical about that you're watching the wrong show that's a quote how lee corso and kirk herb street forged the sweetest bromance in sports nearly 30 years ago at ex-coach corso showed ex-player herb street the ropes today herbie keeps an eye out for his 88 year old co-star 88 still going strong yeah so going strong would be that's uh well

that's what i was reading there right no i mean i'm like that's pretty generous it was i i i've i found myself hoping that it was that there was a way to really graciously kind of give give lee corso his flowers as it were sure but but like i mean again 88 is not is is not a it's it's not he looks great you know he seems like he's he's healthy and everything as healthy as you can be at 88 but like i was like i don't think we need an eight month break and then re crank this machinery back up eight months from now like i don't think that's i don't think things are going to be getting more sort of sharp and aware you know what i'm seeing when i typed in his name

and i was looking at the news by the way it's funny because now now i'm seeing those two plus mcafee i forgot that when we're talking about mcafee i forgot to mention of course that he's on game day now too um but um it looks like they're there is some reports are saying they're Targeting Saban to replace him.

Well, because this week, Andrew, has been defined by ending every show with too much sports talk. Yeah, I promised I wasn't going to do that. Either too much sports talk or too much tuna. Mm-hmm. I think it's hilarious that the Washington coach, Kalen DeBoer, is probably going to be the new Alabama coach. Oh, my God. I've been following that. I know. That's come out while we've been doing the show. It's like nothing.

Oh, is it even tightened up? Because I was listening to a little bit of the sports radio this morning, and it definitely looked like it was unclear to me whether he's just going to use this to leverage more money out of the U-Dub or if he's really going to make the move. He's going to head over there, huh?

Nothing purple can stay.

Oh, my gosh.

If you're like a Husky fan like I am and you're like, oh, my God, we went from being a very middling team to we played in the national championship this year, and it's like, of course that means that our coach is now going to get signed to go coach Alabama because that guy Nick Saban, who you just mentioned, decided to retire.

Oh, okay. So they are still in negotiations, though. unless you saw something that I didn't.

Yeah, but negotiations is pretty far down the road, like I would say. Like, if you're Kalen DeBoer, you're not letting it get out that you're in negotiations unless you're getting the job. Because otherwise, what, are you going to go back to the Huskies and go slink?

Well, I mean, the story that I was hearing this morning was, like, there is a chance that, you know, you could use this as leverage to get more money out of the U-Dub If you truly are the person who is buying into all of those UW values and everything that they've been talking about so much. But you don't think that there is a chance of this negotiating just leading to more negotiating with the UW. Once you're this far down the line, you're out the door. That's my sense.

I mean, in the Seattle Times right now, UW Husky coach Kalen DeBoer negotiating contract to succeed Nick Saban at Alabama. That sounds pretty cut and dry, pretty final, which is just kind of like, oh, man. I mean, I don't know. I do think to some degree in sports, in certain sports, I think coaching is can be a little over described like, you know, you could people can give a little too much credit to coaches. But I do think it's not a coincidence that certain coaches tend to have really good teams, whether it's the culture they've built, whether it's the boosters that they've cultivated to pay the people. Somehow there's a reason why, like a Nick Saban at Alabama is always in the conversation. And this Kalen DeBoer guy was 25-3 as the Husky coach Won 25 games, lost 3 So like, of course now we can't have him anymore Yeah, of course And it's just like, oh man

And then you'll see what that does Because now with the portal, right? Players could, I mean, I don't know if this will affect the players Who choose to play for the Huskies as well Like, can we see people

Probably, I mean, it's like we had this amazing moment And now it feels like, well, we're going to go back to being what we were which was like a kind of an okay college football team that really sucks i know it's like why but at least at least he's going to alabama program that an up-and-coming program that's had no success over the last 20 years in college football you know what would cheer me up right now andrew after that news of the husky football program imploding is a little music for your weekend so you better pick a good song dude yeah this is a lot think about the pressure on this song that you're going to suggest for us i mean this is this is big man don't do not screw this up well

it's so funny because i've been wanting to play something off of this album for you and i have been wondering like i've been wondering about your perspective on this given your upbringing um because what i'm getting at here is i Bye.

I think I've mentioned on the show, I know I've mentioned to you off the off air that Genevieve got me a record player for Christmas and I've been really enjoying it. And we have this nice little setup in the dart area now with my little record player and a little dart holder. And we've been playing darts and listening to records. And Genevieve had some people over on New Year's Eve and it was it was it was a lot of fun. It was like exactly the rumpus room that that one would dream of. And I've been enjoying going to record stores and just like for, you know, I have a crate full of records that I've just sort of accumulated. over the years some that I had that were my parents and then you know it's always fun to if you're at a you know flea market or something to pick one up here pick one up there but I've never had like a good record player so I've never really kind of collected records but now that I have a decent record player it's like it's fun to actually go buy physical media right it's just that's I don't know if it's my age or what but uh last Saturday Veves and I did a little record shopping and um I was just like kind of looking at used records and I saw this one and And I'm trying to send you an image of it because it's the best album cover I think I've ever seen. It's just like kind of a simple design. Can you actually like, I'll tell you what, just Google this, okay? So I had not heard of this name before, but the name is Linda Rich. And the name of the album is There Is More To Living Than I Know So Far. And first of all, I love that as a title of a record. There's More To Living Than I Know So Far. but the um record cover is just sort of like that text around some sort of like nice cool minimalist designy stuff are you seeing that with the kind of the round circle or whatever yeah and so i saw this thing and i don't know it was like 10 bucks or something i don't know what this is i love the font it evokes a kind of 1960s era style that i i'm really really drawn to at least visually at first and so i do a really quick google in the in the records i'm like who's linda rich and i see like the first article that pops up as she was like a somewhat like kind of almost mysterious christian folk singer from the 1960s before christian music was what we think of it as today sort of and um she only released three records there are very few photos of her like the the articles i saw were like pulling photos from her yearbook and she kind of looks like a she almost looks like a far side character sort of like it was kind of very thick black glasses yeah thick thick glasses whatever they are and apparently she made you know she was recording uh on campuses i can't remember where she went to school and then and then i think sort of found jesus or or sort of it almost sort of sounded like there was a quote from her where she sort of like she had done some thinking and she had concluded that jesus really was something real i can't explain it and so her music sort of has this it's not it's not as hokey i mean Some of it's kind of hokey, and some of it is straight up singing about Jesus. But it sounds like across her three records, before she disappeared, by the way, Luke, nobody knows.

This woman made three records with this Christian music label that was tied to universities, I believe, in some way, or some university religious groups. Yeah, InterVarsity, which is really funny. You're familiar with all that. Yeah, that was around when I was in college. Oh, really? Okay. And this is like late. I think this is very late 60s. This album I'm going to play from, I think, is 67 or 69 or something like that. And it sort of sounds like she put a little bit more sort of nuance into some of her songs. And as maybe in her next record, I believe, is, you know, also like trying to find her way a little bit. I don't know. I'll be honest with you. I came home. I listened to the record. I really like it. if the album cover had just been a traditional like her and two like dorky looking guitarists behind her in a field of flowers and it wasn't good design I might not like this music at all like I'm so influenced by how I stumbled on this record and how I can't get over how much I love the cover of it and then reading the story about how she literally kind of just disappeared and And people reach out to family members and they're just like, we don't know and we don't want to talk about this anymore. And she probably went to like a Central American country, maybe that's one theory, maybe to like to what's the word to to spread the word or evangelize to evangelize or something. It's kind of it's unclear. I think it's a very interesting story. I don't know how the music is going to hit your ears or other people's ears, but that was my journey with this. And I think this song I'm going to play for you, a lot of it is just her and a guitar, which is probably the best stuff. This has a little bit of an arrangement around it, and it's got some clarinet. I do like clarinet. And this is track three. You're going to hear some record kind of fuzz on this a little bit. This is not me playing it off of my own record. This is I found this on YouTube. But here it is. This is Linda Rich. The album is There's More to Living Than I Know So Far. And this song.

It's called Things.

Things are not the way they seem. Life is real, not just a dream. Life is real, not just a dream. People rioting in streets And yet there's more than meets the eye Wonder why, wonder why Wars fought to keep the peace And yet they never cease and bend I wonder why, wonder why Things are not the way they seem Life is real, not just a dream Life is real, not just a dream Kids taking LSD to find reality They never find, never mind

We're all preachy there, taking shots at the hippies and the warmongers. What is this, Dragnet? It very much is of that air. Does that trigger you? Does that like...

No, no, no. I think that's lovely. I love the song. The version of Christian music I grew up with was much more 70s and 80s. So I think that's just... I love the recording. Yeah. The voice is so clear.

Isn't it? The whole record is just such a beautiful vibe. And, you know, some of it is very straightforward singing about Jesus. Some of this is taking shots at LSD use, but like she seems like a really, really interesting character who was reluctant to embrace too much of a spotlight. It just it speaks to me.

It's so interesting because as you were describing her story, I was like, this is eerily similar to another story that I recently heard about. And I Googled around and found it. There was a woman named Connie Converse who was an American singer songwriter. She put out my real name was Elizabeth Eaton Converse. but she played under Connie Converse and she put out I think or she recorded like a handful of songs which I don't even think were released in her lifetime but she also sort of disappeared she was an editor at a place called the Journal of Conflict Resolution and she uh and she was a musician and she was sort of in Greenwich Village and stuff but she also it sounds like dealt with some depression issues and other things and at about the age of 50 she just sort of wrote these letters to people in her family people she loved saying she was going to new york city or she was going to find a new life in new york city or something but anyway they never found connie converse again and she so then years later i don't know who it was exactly but somebody put her music together and released this album i think it was in 2009 a compilation album of her work which was called how sad how lovely was released anyway not to make this about connie converse but it's it's interesting that there was these these two women that were recording this music and then they both kind of weren't heard from again um and anyway there's just some similarities there but

that back to that song that song is gorgeous i think you might like this record um and you know like there's a song called the man of galilee there's a song called i'm trying to think that there there you know some of it is a god don't make no junk god don't make no junk walking with jesus um but uh i mean it really does for me sort of also speak to the moment that i'm in right now and like how I'm enjoying music and I kind of was kidding around with people I'm like I'm that guy now I'm Mr. Record Player Guy or Mr. Vinyl and I'm really not and I don't pretend to be a music nerd but like it I don't know that I would have any use for this or that it would have come into my life at all if it wasn't me like literally physically like kind of just flipping through a bunch of random records that had just come into this record shop I'm like well that's a hell of a cover like I almost kind of have to buy this for the cover anyway but what's going on with it and then kind of discovering this backstory then coming home and listening to it and flipping it over and reading about her and the very interesting story and then I sort of feel like it was sort of an interesting story how it came to me I didn't like just you know read some article in Medium about this you know although I think I later did read an article in Medium but it wasn't like it was just like somebody tweeted about it anyway I just kind of I've been really enjoying doing

stuff like that i i do i mean you know it's it's it's sort of cliche and somewhat corny to be a certain kind of typically guy and getting into vinyl but there's something to it right like i've got some vinyl around here that i've picked up because becca and i were in a record store we're getting a gift for her brother i got this like funkadelic greatest hit record and it just has this like crazy cover on it of like a a lamb like a sheep sticking its tongue out and it has like a bow on its neck kind of like the kind you'd put on a present like a one of those anyway and i like i don't even like i like funkadelic a lot i don't know most of the songs on it but like i just love having the physical like the cover of the album is what appealed to me because it was a weird photo and i will i need to get a good record player i don't really have i bought this cool looking japanese record player thing oh yeah doesn't work for shit like it looks cool but anyway and i have you know the i'm just i guess acknowledging that even though it's cliched and whatever the relationship with the music i do feel changes based on the physical sort of dimensions of the album there's and there's of course the turning the record over and there's the the jacket and like the art that's on the thing and the like the mood you're in when you put a record on versus when you play something from spotify or whatever like just a whole other experience and i think it it takes a lot of music that you would not give a huge amount of thought to and it changes how you interact with it and then you do give it more

thought yeah and like i have i don't think that technologies like this that we use for entertainment have to be at odds i'm also glad that spotify exists and that i subscribe to it that i use it and sometimes it's fun just to put on like an algorithm at a party and have that on in the background because you don't have to be constantly babysitting it but then there are other times like when we had this kind of small gathering on new year's eve and like a bunch of friends were over here and you know our boy hauser i think you have a special name for hauser is it like jay dog or something along those lines j ropo um j rope was over here he and i were having a really good time like just like kind of you know playing DJ and him choosing records and he got into these 40 these light in the attic 45s that a listener sent in which I love and he was just like and it's like at that point he's like playing one song at a time because we're playing 45s you know but like it was fun that's not that's not how you want to do every party but sometimes it just it is and like again I guess my point is that is not to say that there's anything wrong with also just putting on Spotify and taking advantage of that technology from time to time that's amazing too but

this has been a fun a fun phase yeah it's a mood i'm excited to get that mood dialed in at my place too like i don't know where i'm going to put a record player if i get one but that is one of the we started today talking a little bit about what i sort of call those coat hook moments or whatever but like there is going to be some night when i will have things kind of set up and i'll hopefully have some kind of record player and i will put on a record and it will be very enjoyable for the whole ceremony around it as much as and i'm with you there's nothing absolutely nothing wrong with using whatever technology is around to have the experience you're looking to have but putting on that record is going to feel really different than just hitting play on the spotify on sonos yeah

you reminded me i don't know if you said something about a hearth in your little description there but we could we genitive and i have not lit a fire in our fireplace inside our house this would be a good weekend for that the only problem is i as you know i'm a basement dweller and like hanging out down here and if we light a fire upstairs it sort of smoke out your basement doesn't smoke out the basement i smoke out the basement you know what i'm talking about where's that funkadelic um no but what it does is it keeps the upstairs really warm so then it shuts off the furnace which is good for but then it makes the basement really cold because i don't get any of that heat from

we'll do what i'm doing right now andrew set up two vornado floor heating fans next to you this it's like i'm in like stereophonic heat you're gonna blow another breaker it's actually working it's actually work this is the best system now i stole the one that i use so i these these were you know whatever wire cutter at the new york times said these were like pretty good little high efficiency safe heaters you could have a night so i bought two of them and i put one in my bedroom and one out here and i realized i need two of them out here so um but it's actually effective i'm this is the warmest i've been doing the show which is ironic because it's actually

getting pretty cold outside for real though why is it not why is it not throwing the breaker the

way it did the other day are they different they're plugged into different uh okay parts of the yeah i guess different circuits here in the studio so you've got this this place i have my own there's basically a separate breaker out here um and so the different parts of the madrona hill studio are on different like fuses or circuits or whatever it is so the problem the thing i can't do is plug them all into the same outlet area. That's too much. But as long as I spread them out, then it seems to be working. I've made it through this entire 90 minutes of broadcasting, and I've actually felt pretty okay in the temperature department. Nice. The song that I would like to play, or have you play, Andrew, is, well, what this really is, and I'll try not to take this on.

too long of a journey but this is an example of how I get so much of my new music or music I haven't heard of before which is by way of TikTok so uh I was watching some video of something on TikTok and I had the music behind it I was like this is really intriguing to me and so then I went and found the link to the music and and of course I found what what isn't even the music I found what is actually a sped up version of the song that I'm going to have you play the song is by a band called Vacations and the song is called Young. Vacations is an Australian band. It's kind of an Australian indie band formed, I think in like maybe 2015 or something. But the version, I'll just play this for you a little bit if I can. This is something, I just see something on TikTok, the music of this called like Nightcore music or something. And this is a little bit of the song, which it turns out is at like double time.

So I'm assuming when I hear this,

that this is maybe a woman singer. and I love how just kind of like weird the timing of the song is and how kind of disjointed it sounds you're going to make me not like the original

I can already tell

yeah it is why don't we just play this well in the interest I mean sure we can although I feel like it's slightly disrespectful to whoever Vacations is out there in Australia isn't this good though that's really good yeah and it's i mean the original is also good but this is better and all it is is double it's just sped up and i feel like you don't know who did this or why somebody who's putting stuff up called like night core music which is also not even a a word I like. Nightcore? Nightcore is not because it's like the font is real horror-y you know kind of like it's like it's not something that should work for me but it does and I realize that this is a real phenomenon on TikTok is most of the songs that I end up liking or snippets of songs about 90% of the time it's just a sped up version of a different song and it makes me wonder is everything I've been listening to would it be better if it just got sped up? Well did you know

I mean, I guess we'll hit play on the original here. Yeah, hit the OG one. This reminds me of my experience with, and of course you would guess this, Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. Sure. Speaking of records, in fact, I don't think I have that record anymore. You know how you go to— Ooh, Whipped Cream and Other Delights? Yeah, it's literally Whipped Cream. Yep, that was the one I had, Whipped Cream. I'm quite sure of it. You know, you can go to almost any flea market and find, you know, Herb Alpert records. It's kind of a mainstay of almost any kind of, like, mid-level record. I believe that woman is from Seattle. Oh, that's right. She is. I know. I read a little piece about her, the woman on the cover of that who's covered in whipped cream. But anyway, I brought that home. I think I was maybe in high school or something. I was a young person. And I brought it home. And I listened to it. And I really liked it. And then I realized later that I was listening to it on 45 because I'd listened to 45s before that. So it was sped up? So it was sped up. Wow. And boy, man, that shit kicks, you know. and then I slowed it down and I was like oh oh okay what does that mean though about us is it

like is is this the tiktokification of my brain you know like is this like I don't I I no longer have the plasticity or whatever to enjoy music written at music's pace no because it goes the

you don't forget about my whole obsession with chopped and screwed music five or six years ago I still like classic man by Jadena, the the slowed down version that's in the movie Moonlight. I just dialed that up again the other day because it's not on the official soundtrack for some reason. But I was reading even Jadena, like apparently Jadena didn't even know about it until like it was released in the movie. And Jadena thinks the chopped and screwed version is better. He's like, wow, he's the quote was really interesting. He's like, I made a song about fashion. And when you slow it down, it's so it's about so much more than just fashion. And it's like the lyrics didn't change or anything.

but there's a that's interesting yeah and anyway good on him too by the way for being able to recognize that there's this some value to this because you work really hard on a song you spend you know months or weeks in the studio getting it just right and then all of a sudden someone does a different thing with it i could see a tendency to be like well that was was not.

artistic vision yeah exactly so anyway i've babbled enough i've brought up you want to play new career weekend i'm bringing up herb albert and uh judena should we actually play this song

young by vacations yeah let's just play a little bit of it this is the og version i think it's uh it's off of an album maybe it's called vibes i think i mean it's a good song it's a good song

i just like the sped up version now the important thing is for me to figure out what is playing in the background here okay i think i've got it taken care of here is young by vacations guitar solo I like the fact that the guitar is still kind of in and out of tune.

Yeah, and it's warbly. It sounds like tape warble almost. You know what?

I still like this a lot. Yes, it's still good. Yeah. And I'm glad that we maybe even chatted a little bit in between the two versions. we were playing it back to back yeah no this this is groovy i love this yeah i'm gonna check these

folks out i i we gotta get going here we gotta be done my friend but like i was thinking of i was when i read that this band is from australia i was thinking about you know like i really like tame impala and stuff and i just thought man australia is really over delivering on music um for being a not hugely populous country but then i thought i don't know man acdc is from australia has australia always over delivered on you know music in the pop cult in the global pop culture again considering that it doesn't have it's not the most populous country in the world but maybe it was like pretty much just acdc in the in the in the 80s i feel like there was more

um but i i will say like and it does sort of cross a lot of different genres like of course we love the beths right and i got to see them live touring with postal service this summer and And then Genevieve played some music for your weekend last Friday that had a bit of a different vibe, but they were also from Australia. We were just talking about that, not on the show, but Vives and I were just like, how come every time we like a new piece of music and we look up the band, they're from Australia or possibly New Zealand?

That's what I feel like I was both surprised and not surprised to hear that these guys' vacations were from Australia. Then I was checking out their tour page, and I was like, wow, they're playing a lot of festivals. It must be cold. And then I remembered Australia. It's summertime in Australia.

Everything's backwards over there. Do you know that summertime swirls backwards over there? I do want to make a quick correction. I put the Beths at Australia, but they're one of the New Zealand bands that we like. Okay.

But that general part of the world, which I'm sure people love when we say that. Yeah. People from down. It's like U.S. and Canada. To be honest with you, I'm not offended if someone lumps the U.S. It would be kind of an upgrade if they lumped us and Canada together. Yeah.

But if you're talking proximity, you could also say, well, you know, it's like the U.S. and Mexico, they're basically the same.

Again. culturally food wise give it to us please and please confuse us with mexico um all right our listener suggestion is from our friend dave in new york city where i'm going to be next week um dave says you're probably inundated with lizzie no since the 99 invisible tbtl venn diagram is so strong well um the actually that's not the case i didn't know anything about lizzie no until we got this email from dave um i wonder if the 99 invisible tbtl venn diagram is strong just because i listen to a lot of 99 invisible i'm wondering how many of our listeners of tbtl also listen to that show i think it's a great show and if so why are we not doing official promo swaps with them oh they're way too big time i don't know could we get that that sweet sweet

roman mars account no i don't want to just stop giving it away for free though is what i'm saying oh i see that i'm just joking i'm just teasing no you know i haven't i have never gotten uh really deep into that podcast i've listened to a couple of episodes years ago really enjoyed them it just for some reason just never kind of became part of my media diet but every time you say that it

makes me want to go check it out it's it strikes me as i um it's sort of this american life but about design whereas like and i love this american life but a lot of this american life is about feelings and about what it felt like for somebody when something happened which again that can be really compelling and i i'm a weekly listener to tal but but the 99 invisible it's that but it's like they built when they built the sydney opera house and why they couldn't figure out how to actually pour those cement sails because the the architecture didn't work for it. Although technically what that was was a 99% PI playing an entire episode of a different show that's in their constellation, doing one of those crossover things kind of deal where it's like, if you like our show, you'd really like this other show. And it worked.

Yeah, I always wonder, yeah, when we, because I think we had conversations with APM at one point about whether or not we would do that. It's funny. Like I have mixed feelings about it. It's definitely worked for me. I've listened to shows because somebody has populated my feed with it of a different show I'm listening to. But I always get worried that our listeners will feel like we've I don't want to feel like I'm tricking anybody either. You know what I mean? I don't want to write and switch.

That is kind of I will be honest with you. Now watch us do this in two weeks. But like I feel like when I tune into when I tune into an episode of a show that I am expecting to hear the host or hosts that I like do that show and then they very wisely never tell you in the in the write up of the episode that it's not going to be the people that you're going there for. there's always that quick moment of betrayal then if you like the episode like again i'm thinking of this sydney opera house one was phenomenal episode of whatever the other show is that they were kind of tricking me into listening to so at the end i wasn't upset but you you definitely better deliver with the other programming because there is going to be a moment of skepticism in my mind and i do

think that you should be clear about it in the labeling like even in the title put like extra or something you know i'm just remembering somebody's done that with our show before and it's our friend nora mcinerney at ttfa i think on more than one occasion when they were like maybe in between seasons or something but but you know still producing content i think nora put an episode or two of tbtl in the ttfa feed years ago yeah exactly so just another reminder of how great that show has been to us and you guys should check out absolutely everything nor so lizzie

know is somebody that's apparently been referenced on 99% PI. I have not heard that though, but Dave said, I thought that right there is right in old LB's wheelhouse. And it's an amazing song. The song that Dave is referring to is called Annie Oakley, and it's by the performer Lizzie No. I'm excited about this. That's how we're going to go out today. That's going to bring us to the end of our broadcast week. I'd like to announce that I am now out of the running for the Alabama University football job. So I will be back here on Monday hosting this program

again. However, there are a whole bunch of Emmys of dubious origin heading your way. Wouldn't that just be

icing on the cake if these silly-ass Emmys that I really didn't deserve because I was only tangentially associated with the thing, if they were actually faked? That would be amazing. Alright, thanks for listening, everyone. Thanks for being part of TBTL, for real. We appreciate it. We'll be back here on Monday with more Imaginary Radio. In the meantime, have a great weekend. Take care of yourselves. Please be safe out there, wherever you are, Particularly in the Midwest where forget this 15 degree stuff You're going minus 50 out there So be safe And please remember no mountain too tall And good luck to all

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