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Alright, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Hey, want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

I don't even know why I'm here for.

Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia River, where it is actually pretty nice out. Blue skies. I was able to catch a little fresh air this morning opening one of these sliding glass doors. It is very windy, though. Very, very windy up here. at the madrona hill studio so hopefully the um well everything i'm still in this mode uh living here and working here with so much stuff that was kind of torn down and then structurally reconfigured and you know like roofing that was removed and then put back on etc anytime it's really really windy i do get into a certain like big bad wolf huffing and puffing and will this house stand up so far so good everyone it's happening for episode 4133 in a collector's series let the fun begin with no signs of the studio blowing over so that's a positive right out of the gate uh i went down to salem oregon last night and watched a local community theater production of the neil simon play brighton beach memoir you know it's just living truthfully in imaginary circumstances and it was it was i'll be honest with you is not exactly what i was expecting i mean um i thought that the uh the actors and the the uh the director and the uh you know stage folks everybody did a really great job but there's there's some more sexual content in that play than i think i found sexy time for you that i realized or was expecting to experience with the family of my girlfriend. So we will get into that also. I ended yesterday's program mentioning that I feel like we need a national consensus on what we're calling carbonated water beverages. I drink a lot of what I call bubble water. God, just let me drink. And I'm increasingly running into situations where I say bubble water and people look at me with confusion. I think we need a national standard for this thing because we're all consuming a ton of it these days. So we'll talk about that. And we'll also talk to this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. I mean, he's been doing this for like a decade now with me, and it's due in large part. His success is because he's just one of those people that when he's on the mic, you want to listen to the next thing he's about to say.

The very qualities that make him so endearing, His intelligence, curiosity, and charisma have put him in perpetual danger. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I got a text message from you this morning telling me, or I guess reminding me, informing me, that today is Groundhog Day. And I have a question for you. Why is today Groundhog Day? And when I say that, I mean... Do you know the answer to this question? No, and I could have Googled it, but instead you're my Google. Is it always the 2nd of February? Is it always the first Friday in February? I don't know why I have no knowledge of this. Does it celebrate both Abraham Lincoln and George Washington now?

I don't think it's related to Lincoln other than the...

preponderance of stovepipe hats oh that is true there is a connection there those guys are wearing

stovepipe hats a lot or at least they were in the movie groundhog day sure yeah i actually want to tell you about that text message that i sent you uh we you and i and our relationship really dodged a bullet um i was doing my voice to text thing when i sent that to you and the text i sent you was hey there i just what i was trying to say was hey there i just remembered that today is actually groundhog day so if you've got an intro package that to use anything from that movie this might be the day for it thanks but when i voiced to texted it it came out as and i was just about to send it and then i read it quickly it said hey there remember today is actually groundhog day like as if i'm commanding you like the difference between me saying hey i just remembered it's groundhog day and me telling you hey andrew remember it's groundhog day yeah isn't that a totally different energy and weird like just the losing of i guess i and then also the word becoming remember like something about saying remember this dude is like a command whereas if i'm going hey i just remembered this like hey it just occurred to me and maybe we could do this i was like this could have thrown the weekend and maybe our entire show off course if i would have sent you like a command hey andrew remember it's groundhog day dude given my confusion over

the fact that it's groundhog day at all that probably would have been even funnier like remember like how could i forget i mean that might be yeah like i guess a good example just

I was talking to Leap Day William, and he said, remember, it's Groundhog Day.

Well, dude, okay, let's just get into our inner dialogue while we were reading text messages to each other. When you first sent this, my initial reaction was, what? No, it's not. It's going to be the very last day of February because I've had Leap Day Williams on my mind the past couple of days ever since I realized it's a leap year. And so I've been thinking, oh, we have to use that 30 Rock tape. And for some reason, when I read your text message, I was like, no, Luke, that's going to be on the 29th of February. And then I was like, oh, wait, Groundhog Day. Why is it? And that's, I think, how I ended up with how is it Groundhog Day? Why is it always the second? Do we know?

I've got the Internet's response right here. And it's fascinating because in in in the supposed answering of this question. Now we've gone into a whole other. Oh, great. We've we've unlocked a whole other category of weirdness. Okay, according to the internet, the first Groundhog Day was celebrated on February 2nd, 1887 in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, according to History.com. The tradition has roots in the ancient Christian tradition of Candlemas. Candlemas? Excuse me? Was that a grunge band from Seattle? Did I work with one of the guys from Candlemas at Bumpy's Fruit and Yogurt?

The war on Christmas has gone too far. You're taking the Christ out of Christmas and you're replacing it with candles? It's not a celebration of light.

Candlemas say anything anymore. The tradition of Candlemas, when clergy would bless and distribute candles needed for winter. Also, let's be honest, kind of phoning in the moss part. We just did Christmas. Okay, we're handing out the candles. What are we going to call this? Candles giving?

Actually, I give them credit. They're kind of like, hey, guys, this Christmas thing we've been doing has been a huge hit. We need a follow-up. We need something. Can we do a Christmas in February?

Branding is so strong on Christmas. Yeah, what can we do? Honestly, that's most of the lift on this. People are already aware. It's like Fast and Furious 8. It's so much easier to make a sequel than it is to create an absolutely new property. So let's go with Candlemas.

Candlemas 2, it's a Christmas story. Is that what they say, a Fast and Furious story?

Anyway, go ahead. So the candles represent how long and cold the winter would be. so uh so i guess then the groundhog day was was is based on uh well it was based on the intellectual property of candleness right right which is candles representing long and cold winter or how long and cold it would be and now we say that the groundhog is somehow an indicator of if we're going to have uh more you know an early spring or a late spring and by the way for what it's worth and that would be very little they think we're going to have an early spring because the uh as i believe bill murray says in the movie groundhog day the rat didn't see its

shadow i still think you know i still think it it sort of has a whiff of desperation in the marketing room they're like this candle this thing is not going great like we thought we're gonna have christmas too on our hands it's not going great can we bring in some cute can we poochie this in some way can we bring in a cute furry animal yes and then maybe we'll get the press we've been looking for and i guess it worked and i guess i'm learning that it is on the second

every year huh i should put that on my calendar um well or you could just remember it dude

so i don't have to get any more caustic text messages from you um andrew i want you to hear

something very, very

important to the i would say quality and consistency of today's broadcast okay i'm moving my mic down closer to the desk i want you to hear something no you got a lid for that coffee don't you that my friend is the sound of the hasami i also actually splashed some coffee on the microphone i don't know why this is so hard for me i have a new rule here at the studio which is i'm only allowed to consume coffee out of vessels that are either covered like this one this song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world or you know just like a travel mug something with a proper lid because as listeners to yesterday's episode uh heard in real time i dumped a like not just a coffee cup uh size amount of coffee but like a whole a whole ass thermos of coffee over and then at the same time somehow in the madness also knocked over soda water there was a lot going on i'm very happy to report to you today andrew that after scrubbing down the carpet here in the studio and coming in this morning and taking a look it's actually clean as your mama's forehead really it mostly worked i mean if like look if you came in with a with a magnifying glass and a white glove and you knew the backstory you might be able to notice a little bit but it's not bad Like it's not I have to now start, you know, figuring out a new like carpet situation here in the studio.

Remind me, you know, I realize now I was picturing the color of this rug, but I don't know if you ever explicitly stated it. Is it sort of a, is it a, I was picturing a sort of a, let me just see if I got this right here, but also can I find my words to describe it? A sort of like a white-ish, a very like kind of muted, maybe between white and brown kind of thing.

It's white with some kind of light green stripes on it.

Oh, okay.

and why i probably for like a lower traffic area or probably for somewhere else in the house it is it is nice and would be great for in here because uh i'm you know well first of all i stand up when i'm doing the show so i'm standing on this all day so it is in effect a high traffic area because i'm just kind of pacing around nervously during most of the broadcast are you usually wearing

shoes and are you wearing shoes that you go outside in i am i try to really really like

get a good because there's a entry mat inside the studio that's across the room and i try to really get my my shoes as clean as possible as i i sort of scuff my feet going down that thing but i have to have shoes because i'm out in like you know like an external building so i'm going outside between like my house and this place so i'm not having on i guess i could wear i could wear like you know some kind of um as they call them slides and then just take them off when i come in here But I'm I don't think I'm quite as formal as you are necessarily when I do the show, but I definitely like shoes on when I do the program.

You know, my thing now is and I've got like several pair of these, but you can picture those slip on dock siders like no laces, you know, just like the gray ones. I used to have a bunch of those and then I found that they sell really cheap versions of them at Target for like 20 bucks. Like literally, Luke, in 2024, you can buy a pair of and they're very cheap and they last maybe, I don't know, a year before they start falling apart. But they're so cheap. I just buy several pairs of those and I sort of have different levels of them, like the one that I can kind of slip out, slip on if I need to run outside to take out the garbage. But then a pair that is always clean and sort of just like inside. So I'm always wearing shoes, but I have like a nice sort of pair of clean indoor shoes.

Yeah, I could do that. I could get real and that's actually surprising I haven't because this is what I this is probably how I process some kind of low-level anxiety is coming up with systems to solve some kind of problem so that I don't have it in the future in other words if I run into one little inconvenience my brain starts constructing a solution for that inconvenience so that it never happens again does

that make sense yeah and you like to it and it often I like to buy things buying things online

exactly i like to acquire things so like i'm surprised that i haven't at some point and because i'm because i'm the way that i am like going on some designy website and then buying like what are the coolest like there are these uh these slippers called glare ups that actually addy got me a pair of them because it turns out my daughter is very much like her father so she's very dialed in on like design stuff and like she sent these to me as a gift for like my birthday or something they're like some kind of scandinavian thing it's it's a weird name it's not glare up like we're gonna give we're gonna improve your glaring we're gonna give you a glare up it's some i don't know what it is norwegian word or something but they're very cozy and they're very kind of in style with a certain design class like they're wool and i like them but i don't remember to wear them in the house very much i could just post those glare ups right inside the door here and get kind of mr rogers on it like when i get when i come in i just like take off my outside shoes and i put on my glare ups and i kind of toddle over here

because it sounds like so this is more of a slipper than a shoe is it did you yes it doesn't

have laces it doesn't no it's just it's just a slipper but i guess that's my point i could figure out the ideal slipper and put it right inside the doorway here and then every time I come in like to do the show or to just work out here like slip into the slippers or whatever and then that's what I wear into the house shoes they're the shoes I wear in here and then when I leave I put on the going outside of this building shoes oh yeah that actually could be a solution yeah

then do you have a little bit of a rubber bottom it looks like or is it just a tan cloth bottom

but uh it's i'd have to look at them again i think it's felt it's a lot of felt going on the whole thing is and i i'm i like them you know and i like that my daughter got them for me um it's weird i forget to wear them and then when i do sometimes i do wear them and then i take a picture of them and i send it to her go look what i'm wearing right now but it's like it's not second nature to me but maybe i need to you know create a system i see some have leather soles and

some have um rubber soles uh depending on what you're going for yeah i've seen these before These look very, very cozy. This is not my, and again, when I say it's not my style, like the idea of that.

If you say one negative thing about my daughter, I swear to God, I will never, ever work with you again. Honestly, overrated. Saying negative things about my daughter is overrated.

Anyway, I, yeah, like I was going to say to the degree, it's embarrassing for me to even say this isn't my style because I don't think I have style. That's kind of an issue with me. But, yeah, these are very, very cozy looking and nice. I like my Doxider kind of situation.

You like your shoes that were made by Child Labor.

Oh, sure. You're talking about the Target ones.

The fact that the shoe is under $20. Actually, I don't know what the price is.

Yeah, no. Well, the Target ones are exactly $20. But then I usually have one good pair of Doxiders as well.

You say Doxiders. You use that term a lot, and I guess I'm always imagining something, but I'm not really sure. I'm going to Google this. Am I using this wrong? Oh, wait.

Docsiders are, wait a second.

Are you talking about top-siders? Like a Sperry top-sider?

Yeah, top-sider. My apologies. This whole time I've been meaning top-sider, not dock-sider.

But you know what? That's what I was picturing. So it's actually, Andrew, you've done no harm here because I was picturing that. But I just didn't know if there was a different thing called a dock-sider that I was kind of. I had a whole, a big moment with the Sperry top-sider shoe because when I was a kid, I don't know what the deal was in Ohio, but out in the Northwest, those were so in style at a certain point in time. Like the official Sperry top cider, but like they were for the rich kids, you know, they were leather. They were a hundred bucks or something. Maybe they weren't that much, but, you know, they were for a real kind of preppy class of kid. And so that wasn't what I was. And I would always see like guys in top siders and just be like, oh, we're talking canvas ones.

not like the leather oh okay yeah that's what kids were aware that kind of sure like if this

was an 80s movie and i was hanging out with booger from revenge of the nerds this is what the jocks were wearing the cool the the like uh you know the guys with all the girls and everything so then of course uh as i became an adult and realized i could spend a hundred dollars on a pair of leather shoes i uh i bought a few pairs of these and was wearing these for a good point good portion of my 20s was wearing Sperry top ciders completely as a way of trying to remedy or rectify something where I felt insecure as a child

yeah you know I want to make this very clear here I'm not wearing Mr. Powell shoes from Gilligan's Island like these aren't like the leather kind of like boat shoe what did I say? Oh Mr. Howell Thurston Howell. Howell oh did I say I said Powell but it's Howell Thurston Howell yeah Thurston Howell the third oh okay gotcha anyway no yeah these are like I mean why is it Why does it matter that people are picturing my feet properly? Well, many reasons maybe. Oh, it matters. I'm talking slide-on, canvas, very casual, kind of light-looking, breathable shoes, preferably.

That's so unfair for me to even give you grief over that because I do everything wrong when it comes to my consumption of things. There's so much stuff that I buy, and I'm like, God, how is this so cheap? and then it's like because unfortunately it was fabricated in a way that probably was bad for someone else you know what i mean i i so do that so i'm i'm trying to joke with you but also i need to really shut up because i'm i'm talking about a lifestyle that i very much engage in so luke geese made these in the cold how does that make oh wow is that a foie gras reference no it was you

having intrusive thoughts about geese being cold outside. this week that just haven't completely gone away but um i'm i'm just telling myself that somebody remember when that cat snuck into my house i can't remember if it was you um i was out of town and uh the door of my house blew open in the wind and there was this giant cat in the corner of the house at like one in the morning um and i can't remember if you said this or someone else who i told the story said was was like well they was probably trying to stay warm and then i just went from being like mad at this cat to being like why didn't i like get it a bowl of milk why didn't like i i suddenly had so much empathy for this poor freezing cat that just wanted somewhere warm instead of a beady-eyed devil that was looking to pee in the corner of my new house yeah well

it was funny because i i was trying to put myself in your position i mean first of all you're seeing a lot of shocking things at once when you're coming home from a was it almost it was almost

a week you were out of town i was in new york city and there was an ice storm like here and it was like yeah it was every time becca and i would look at the news it'd be like another pipe burst at like uh you know school or something so like i just didn't know what i was coming home to yeah

and you mentioned at one point in your story you said it's like this it was like the size of a raccoon and like it was huge i've seen some big raccoons before you know and they immediately chill me like i am scared of raccoons i'm on the record as being scared of raccoons right those Those things are huge. And also when I see them and they slowly walk up to me, I assume that they're rabid. I remember back when I smoked cigarettes, I was living on Capitol Hill and I would go downstairs and I would stand on our front porch and smoke a cigarette like a real Fonzarelli. Actually, I don't know if he smoked. I doubt he did. But anyway, I remember standing there smoking one time and three huge raccoons like triangulated and slowly started walking towards me like one straight on and then one on the left and one on the right sort of like coming at me in a point. And I was like, oh, God, I don't like this. And they weren't like moving quickly. They were just slowly and steadily moving towards me. And I remember flicking my cigarette in the general direction, not at them, honestly, not to hit them, but just sort of like to kind of scare them. I thought of something kind of goes near them in the center of them. I threw a cigarette down and one of them ran towards it quickly. And I was like, I'm out of here. And I ran. So me picturing you coming to your house where you find the door's been open during an ice storm for five days or whatever and seeing a raccoon. I know how I feel in that situation. And it is I need to change my pants now. If it's a cat, I'm trying to figure out if I still have the same, because it sounds scary, and I think I'd be scared, but I also think my love of cats might just have a part of my brain treat that somewhat differently. Like, oh, can I negotiate with this? Can I give it comfort?

I think part of the problem is I actually think my brain might have first said raccoon, if that makes any sense, because it was kind of dimly lit, and I just remember seeing eyes. yep yeah so like i think i think by the time i figured out that it was a cat i my you know my all of my senses were so heightened and my adrenaline was pumping so much that that cat didn't stand a chance in terms of the um you know empathy department from me because of maybe thinking that it was a record you know who wouldn't have been afraid of it if it was a raccoon that guy wait that's i was i was combining two people in my head because this guy has has coon rippy in his name there was the guy named mark coon rippy who's running for uh president right and he was talking about an apple but that's not the guy that had a raccoon climbing all over

him in the videos years ago right i was conflating those two the guy who would take a shower with

my name is mark coon rippy brown as of today january 3rd 2014 year of our lord 10 years ago

Andrew. A decade ago, we heard this tape. I've officially tossed my hat into the ring

to run for governor of the great state of Tennessee. I appreciate your vote this year in August. And I think it's time we bring the United States back to where it's supposed to be one state at a time, starting with Tennessee. We are one nation under God, not above God. and just like the purity of this apple. Well, I don't know where I was going with that, but I guarantee you there'll be changes made.

What this guy is spelling out is very much the platform for a significant portion of the Republican Party at this point. Ten years later, that's literally a speech Marjorie Taylor Greene would give and get great responses from her constituency.

See, this might be the same guy because I looked up man showers with raccoon here.

Where are you?

Where the shower?

Where?

Where the shower?

Where's Rebecca?

This is also set up.

Where the weather?

She walks into the bathroom. He's in the shower. He's got the raccoon on his shoulder. Does it say it is? Rebecca. I think he's going to talk here.

What?

And then underneath it, it says, and this was posted in 2013. It says, join Mark Kuhn, Rippy Brown, and myself, Mark's other half, at Swamp Music 12 on Facebook. So, yeah, I think those were the same.

God, I wonder who played Swamp Music 12.

Do you remember – now, I don't know if you do, and I'm going to come off as very thin-skinned here, but this tape stands out to me because – I can't believe it was 10 years ago, but we had Jen on the show. I think Jen just popped on the show from time to time. Jen Flash Andrews. Jen Flash Andrews, and I was in L.A. You were probably in the post office, I'm guessing, at the time. I don't know where Jen was joining us from. I love Jesus, but I drank a lot. And this is one of the top stories. And I said, like, well, it's clear that that apple bit was premeditated. And you guys insisted it wasn't. And I just felt like, are you guys? I mean, I'm not saying it's not funny, but he didn't. I mean, I guarantee you there are outtakes of him biting other apples and maybe not liking it as much. And same with this one of the woman walking in on him in the shower. It's supposed to be like, look, I walked in on my husband and he had a raccoon on his shoulder. But it's like, why were you taping if you didn't think that was going to happen?

I definitely think that her finding him in the shower With the raccoon on him You know, allegedly sort of as like this surprise Is completely made up That's completely silly And I'm with you I guess the reason I probably said this 10 years ago On the 10-year anniversary of this conversation Of this argument We fight ourselves at the 10-year anniversary I guess the reason I would have thought And I might still stand by it Although I haven't watched the video in a long time That maybe the Apple bit was not made up was because it actually represents a pretty sophisticated level of humor like the his wife is like where is old mark and it's like he's in there showering with that raccoon again that's like oh god okay but him just going like like the sanctity of this apple i don't know where i was going with that that's actually that's a subtle level of humor to me that i just wonder if he would have premeditated i think that would be the reason i would wonder if that's if if that isn't actually real because i don't give him enough credit to think of that joke

in advance yeah i don't know it just doesn't this to me seems exactly like that exact type of bit me and my friend tony would have done as kids like you and tony have better humor but i mean that that is such tony cory and again i'm not trying to say that tony has lesser humor than mark coon rippy or or to compare those two at all would just be an offense to yeah everybody involved but um But we were children, you know, I just don't think that it's that sophisticated. It seems like maybe it's just that you had more.

Maybe you had more sophisticated humor than I did, because as a kid, it would not have occurred to me to record a video like when Peter and I used to make all these little home movies, we I never had a character that was that nuanced, believe it or not, where you're kind of like, all right, we're going to go out there and we're going to what are we going to do? I actually forget what we're going to do. We're going to win. That's what we're gonna do like I didn't even like the kind of movies that we made were like We made a parody of Saturday Night Live that was called Thursday Night Live That was what was the difference between that and Saturday Night Live. It will happen on Thursday I think and we this was this is what always happened with our movie productions We would get so and I'm sure this was me. We would get so bogged down in some little piece of minutia that I was obsessed with with that i wanted to get just right that we would spend what felt like three or four hours shooting something we'd never get to the bit so thursday night live was supposed to be like our saturday night live parody and it was supposed to start with um basically like a black screen and then the lens kind of like it opens on a toilet flushing like you're in the toilet bowl and it's playing a song by digital underground we wanted the theme of thursday live to be like i think like uh the humpty dance or one of those but again there was no editing software at the time that we had access to so the way that we do this kind of like open on i guess fade in on toilet flushing

is open the lens cap somehow picture that and then also the way that it was like integrate

digital underground music was i know this sounds insane i believe it was to somehow affix a tape player to the camera so that it was playing the song so loudly that it was picked

up on the onboard mic on the camera and blocking out other sound as well get it as close to the

source as possible just yeah exactly so but what what what i remember and then and then the idea was that the camera was going to go like it was going to be like the you know it opens on wow this is we're looking at the swirling part of a toilet we're hearing digital underground and now this is going on kind of a madcap you know sort of journey through the house through peter's house out into the living room which is where the set of thursday night live was going to be does this

make any sense yeah totally like through the hallways like through the hallways kind of

backstage very verite all like a weird sad version of what probably the intro of saturday night live was in those days you know what i mean like uh you know like daryl hammond and he's just like backstage doing something but it was like somebody had to we had to have the digital underground music like play paused so that we could unpause it because there was too much of a delay if we just hit play plus there was a click like it was we had to flush the toilet unpause the music open the lint like there was too many different steps that had to happen in perfect timing and then also i think after i had like activated the tape player i had to run and somehow hide from the camera because i had to come out from behind a screen as the host of thursday night live like we had there was no cuts we had not built in any edits to this thing and so um it just wasn't as sophisticated as it was like hey toilets are funny we like the music of digital underground saturday night live is a thing how about thursday live it didn't have the sophistication that you and tony had with kind of like meta humor like someone forgetting their train of thought or losing their

train of thought well i can yeah i definitely can see tony doing that as sort of his kind of his goofiness he was a weirdo is a weirdo i would assume he's he's still around uh and i say that with much love um but you know your little uh running through the hallways of the house to to get to the stage for um thursday night live reminded me the lowest common denominator something that i love to do and i could do this with tony or by myself after tony went home so this was the real benefit of this little camera magic trick uh was dog cam now i didn't have a dog but picture the camera is the dog my friend and you could hold it near the ground and then run around the house and run around the the backyard and sort of make panting noises and okay now it's getting a little bit now it's like that play you saw last night okay speaking of

which um we did go see brighton beach memoirs last night i went with becca and her family um this was a this really cool little community theater in salem it's called pentacle theater and i'd never been there before but a friend of theirs a family friend um a woman named joe dodge directed this and she's directed like i think i'm not exaggerating 50 productions at this place pentacle um and she's i've met her at some parties at their house and she's just like a fascinating person she um i don't think she would mind me saying this she turns 89 tomorrow she went to the laguardia high for the performing arts in new york the kind of one that fame was set in but i believe she was in the first class because she was there in like 1950s she is unbelievably sharp like to have a conversation with this person and then to find out that they are 89 years old is a truly shocking experience i've never met a person who's who's north of 85 who shows it less in terms of just every single thing about them including directing two and a half hour or two hour and 50 minute it turns out andrew neil simon plays so anyway the the whole fam went out and um it was it was a really fun night i did not know that so much of brighton beach memoirs is about this young character eugene who's loosely based on neil simon kind of coming into uh well going through puberty and coming into his sexuality and becoming very obsessed with with the female form and with uh you know masturbation and what was i mean i'm watching this whole thing it's it wasn't a passing reference it's kind of the plot of the play like he's got this older brother stanley and he desperately wants to learn about like you know kind of what sex is and again what the nude female form is and they're just these very long scenes where he's describing his thoughts about you know naked girls and where his brother is describing somebody in their household who is living with them who's a teenager who's naked because he's walked in on her like it's very it just goes on and on and i'm sitting there with like this this family of people that i love and do i feel very close to who i'm not always into sharing that kind of con content with and it just kept going on and on and then i started to get in my head a little bit about just like if i have become so if the woke mind virus has gotten so sort of advanced in my mind that i can't just enjoy i don't know content that was written uh in probably in the 1980s or something I don't know when when uh Brighton Beach memoirs was written but like oh oh I assumed

it was way oh that was you think 80s oh yeah i mean it's set well it's set in the 1940s it's set right before world war ii but i think it was i think the production was staged in the early 80s early 1982 it says but and so basically here's here's what i'm trying to get to i was kind of back and forth in my head watching this uh going between thinking oh we wouldn't do that now like their idea of like voyeurism okay like you know it's this this kid who's going through puberty and his older brother and their cousins are living with them because uh of like a family tragedy and the little kid the 14 year old eugene is fascinated with one of his you know girl cousins because she's you know uh a little older than him she's 16 and a half but she's uh you know he's just obsessed with girls and wants to see her naked literally and and is doing like you know pretends to drop things on the ground and go the table to try to like look up her skirt or like you know his brother does a thing where he jim jimmies the lock on the bathroom intentionally so he can bust through the door and catch her kind of coming out of the shower and as all this stuff is being described i'm thinking like oh this is not cons like i'm immediately like this is not consent but then i'm also like i don't know 14 year old boys are horn dogs and can we can we have entertainment content that portrays horny little 14 year old boys doing probably some degree of what horny little 14 year old boys have done since time immemorial or do we need to go back and like scrub all of this from the record because like nowadays uh that would be a sex crime yeah well i don't think that

i don't i think there's a truth between scrubbing everything from the record and also just you know just saying hey this is all fine like for me and you know i you telling me about this this story which I'd never heard of before. I don't know much about the stage or Neil Simon, but it reminds me of when I read Portnoy's Complaint, I want to say, by Philip Roth, or maybe it was an Updike thing. I don't know. Either way, the fact that I can't even keep that straight, it's like, that's what-

Do you mean Pornhub's Complaint?

Right. Possible show title? Possible film title. But, you know, I think, okay, I have, as you would guess, a lot of thoughts on this. And we haven't even gotten to seltzer yet. I know. I'm excited about that conversation. I'll try to keep this brief. But, like, my thought generally is I grew up reading and enjoying a whole bunch of authors that now at age 47, I think. God damn.

When we start forgetting, that's when we know it's really working. We're really advancing.

But in 2024, I think, boy, that was, like, all I consumed was white male authors. I happened to click on a, you know, like a TikTok or something the other day that had – It was an interview with Vonnegut on the old Charlie Rose show. Oh, man. You want to talk about problematic, right? But like the old Charlie Rose show, which I adored when I was in college because it felt so high minded to me. So erudite. People sitting in nothing in a vacuum of space just with their thoughts, you know, and it was Vonnegut who I adore. To this day, I adore Vonnegut and a couple of other writers and around literally at a roundtable with Charlie Rose. And in like the 45 second clip I watched, they were talking, you know, they were speaking high mindedly about literature or whatever. And they were four white guys. And at one point they just start like listing all of these famous writers that they adore. Every single one of them, a white, I'm assuming straight man, you know, and it's sort of I was thinking I was telling Vives about that later. Like, I'm not saying that we can't celebrate the work of white men. No, we better be able to. What the hell is this program? But the fact that it was for me, it was a steady diet of that. And I didn't with the exception of a couple of like women's lit classes I took or, you know, other literal classes that expanded my boundaries a little bit like this was the default. This is what you grew up with. And when you talk about this sort of this intrusive behavior, especially and you're like, well, you know, boys and girls go through puberty and they do things. And like you said, they're a bunch of hornballs. But I do think normalizing it in pop culture, whether it's a high minded Neil Simon play or Porky's like that's literally a reference that I made to Becca on the drive home.

I was like the whole thing about the movie Porky's when I was a kid was there was this scene where the boys locker room and the girls locker room are separated by a wall, but they've drilled through the wall. And if you move this picture, you can look through this peephole. And I remember being a kid and just thinking, God, I would love to have access to some sort of thing like that in my life. But in the meantime, I'll just watch the movie Porky's. And nowadays, if you did that at a high school in America, you would be arrested. You'd be put on some kind of list.

Yes. And that's sort of what I'm saying. And this is something that I've come back to a lot and I didn't kind of realize until later in life when I was an adult and had some context.

is like pork noise can come on I'm gonna get there when people when you see this stuff in movies like that

But then a whole generation of boys grow up to say, oh, this is a proper way for me to to handle my puberty or my adolescence or whatever, because it sort of normalizes like really, really bad behavior. So I'm not saying that you lock. What did you say before that you have to, like, scrape everything from the record? I don't think that I don't know. I just don't think that works. And I don't think that's a way to approach this stuff. but i do think it is worth a conversation of saying like wait though when young boys who haven't hit puberty yet or are starting to have those thoughts and then they they turn to some sort of pop culture and it just reinforces that like you can do all kinds of stalky and again like how was how was the fact that i grew up just thinking oh yeah well panty raids are a thing like that's assault bro that is assault but like it was just you weren't invited on the panty raid Yeah. Right. Nor was I about it. I didn't. I don't know what I'm saying. Right. I know my soapbox a little bit here, but I do think that, like, wow, I did lack a lot of perspective when I was reading these things as a younger person.

Right. And how how would you think any differently? I mean, I I'm with you to go back to the Revenge of the Nerds. Revenge of the Nerds has come up so much more today than I think anyone expected. But I mean, that's literally a thing that happens in that movie, Panty Raid. And I remember being a kid watching that and being like, first of all, if my parents find out that I'm watching Revenge of the Nerds, I am literally grounded for life. Does that stand to this day? Yeah. In fact, my dad just walked by.

Anyway.

But I remember watching.

Portnoy's complaint.

I was watching that, you know, and, you know, yeah, basically all these behaviors that these young boys are doing. if you're a young boy and you don't have any other frame of reference you just think well that's I guess what everyone cool is doing again did I know anyone who ever did a panty raid no um but I assumed it was just because I was going to a Christian school and wasn't cool enough to be involved it wasn't that I thought well maybe you might want to ask the people whose underwear you're stealing if like they're feeling good about that or not like that was not the that was that was not what was keeping me from panty raiding it was in lack of access to the to the mission I see this

photo that you sent to me of the coffee spill on your rug this photo that you sent me is from yesterday though right it's cleaned up i thought i sent you two oh did you i tried to i may i may have failed scroll scroll oh okay here oh wow hey that was a live real reaction from what if i

you did send two photos that is great what if the first photo i sent you was the after well that's

what i was like okay man it must have been really bad that would be amazing if i would not cause

you to this is man have we ever found a very unrelatable place to go with the show today but like me and you discussing a photo that no one has seen yet but wouldn't that cause you so i just sent andrew a picture of right after the spill and then a picture of like today when i came in and it's it's pretty it's it's a lot better yeah it's a lot better you're right wouldn't it cause if i had said you know andrew it's actually it's not bad in here it's you know it's passable and then i sent you that before picture wouldn't it cause you to really reconsider everything you've

ever thought about me yeah i mean that i mean that really i would be shocked dealing with a crisis right now exactly because i know that that wouldn't stand for you that a stain like that would drive you bananas coming in i will post both of these to the yeah the show page the blog today so people can see the uh compare and contrast but yeah that cleaned up really nicely also the rug is nicer than i thought it's got a little bit more design i pictured something very very muted i did a really bad job of describing what i pictured before but i pictured something very kind of just unmuted but this has a nice little it's got a nice little kick to it i like it and also your

shoes look very clean well that thank you um those are those are kind of my new my answer to those rod lavers that i can no longer get that i wore a lot those kind of white shoes these ones are nikes but i just want to wrap things up by saying it was a really very high quality community theater production down there at the pentacle theater if you're in the area go check out Brighton Beach Memoirs. Just know there's going to be a lot of jack off conversation, like a lot

of it. So just go and talk to the family about that. I mean, like, did you guys all have dinner

afterwards or whatever? We've already talked about that stuff extensively. Right. No, you had they

gave you the talk because your folks didn't know. But I mean, for real, like or was it just like kind of you and back on the way home sort of saying, wow, there's a little bit that that got

into some stuff I didn't realize. We we left fairly quickly afterwards because the other part of this whole thing was you know from where i live to like salem oregon is actually like two hours because it's about an hour maybe down to portland with traffic and then another hour down to where the theater is the play was so long yeah right like it's a you know it's it's almost three hours i guess with the intermission so i was kind of like i was pretty antsy to get back home uh and and hit the hay i don't know the last time i was up past like midnight which is really saying

something but um but uh anyway except for last night i got home at probably like one in the morning or something but uh so no we didn't do a kind of a post mort but but i i you know i'd be interested to hear or to you know maybe we'll talk about that we're gonna all watch the super bowl together maybe we'll talk about that then but like again i i'm not you know i'm not weighing in one side or the other the sort of propriety of it i think i would just if someone's gonna go see it they should just have a heads up that that's a big part of it and again i don't want to reopen this because we actually had finally reached some sort of denouement with this but i guess the thing for me that was interesting about the experience was in my own head going back and forth between oh huh interesting edgy this is not really like i don't think this is how we would you know portray this stuff in these days and then being like are you able to have any fun anymore ever burbank and just watch something for what it is like because the rest of the crowd's laughing when you know when the when the eugene character says something that's kind of horned up you know but played for a laugh everyone's laughing and i'm kind of laughing it's kind of clever and the kid who played eugene was really good i mean that was the other thing from just a community theater aspect this whole play only works if the person portraying this character eugene this 12 or 14 year old or whatever if that person can pull off the character and you know a small community theater production it's like i don't know what the what the you know what the sort of talent pool is like but anyway this kid was really good so i'm laughing and i'm kind of enjoying it but then i'm going into my head about like um is this am i am i endorsing something that i don't fully agree with and then i'm also being like have i gotten to the point of over analysis of everything that i can't just watch a gd play that's just something that was written a long time ago that's just kind of innocuous like i don't know i just kept going back it be as it so often does andrew

It became about me eventually as I sat there and I asked that follow up question, though, not about like the appropriateness, but just sort of like, you know, because just the sexual content, not not necessarily anything that would be like even objectionable from assault. By the way, I'm just like on the plot of this. I just like picked one line. I had this long write up of a plot of this on on Wikipedia. And the first sentence I land on is earmuffs, kids. Eugene. Actually, no. I mean, again, this is not upstairs. Eugene tells Stanley that he has had an erotic dream that has resulted in a nocturnal emission. Stanley assures him that those types of dreams are normal for teenage boys or whatever. Like that's not that's just like, do you want to watch that movie or play with your family? I didn't even mean it from a cultural appropriateness standpoint.

I will give Neil Simon credit on one part of this, which is Eugene asks, so Eugene finds out that basically everybody his age and older boys are engaging in, let's just say, self-love. And then he asks his brother if girls do it, and his brother's like, more than boys. So at least they're not portraying women as these non-sexual creatures. I liked it at least they'd be like yeah we're all in like everyone's doing this that was like literally that was kind of the most progressive message that happened in the play was that you know ladies is pimps too basically so I was like alright good for you Neil Simon circa 1979 writing this like not just making women these like you know sort of again non-sexual creatures without their own whatever desires excitement etc

well last night I was watching the vagina monologues

all right it's time to thank the donors today's you could say sponsors of tbtl they're in the tbtl supporter circle when you go to a like a local theater production or if you come To like the radio show that I do There's always these Right now the public radio here Down in the Portland area is in their Pledge drive you know You hear a lot of things like would you like to be part of our Founders circle We give cool names of these things To honor the people doing it and also let's be honest To kind of zazz it up a little bit This is the Members of the TBTL Donors Circle That we want to thank today Include Callie Culp Of Missoula Montana

Thank you, Callie. I bet you Missoula's pretty this time of year.

Oh, I bet. I bet you cold and beautiful. We've also got a Walt B. wandering around today. You know, he went to Hellgate High in Missoula. I wonder if he and Callie Culp shared any friends, know anybody from Hellgate High. I always thought that was the funniest name for a high school. It's because of the canyon there. It's not because of some trying to manage expectations going in.

Well, I always forget that little dazzling detail that your father, a very religious man, went to Hellgate High. And I always wonder, like.

But he went to Brimstone. elementary school right was the rest of his life a sort of a repudiation of going to hellgate you know what i mean oh i see trying to avoid hellgate exactly hell's gates hell's gates yeah yeah maybe

so we could ask him later there's another owl to flush out of the building uh later we also want to thank kevin and beth shumway of leighton utah thanks kevin and beth montana in utah i'm loving Yeah, the Mountain West. Very cool, yeah. Representing. And then, of course, we've got the Grosse Pointe Woods section of Michigan, which is where Meredith Gibbons is checking in. Meredith, when you heard this, did you know after I said Grosse Pointe Woods is probably going to be you? Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Like, it would be amazing if the next person I named was not Meredith.

Yeah, right. Because we probably have one listener in Grosse Pointe Woods.

That's probably Meredith. And one supporter. Maybe more than one listener, but as far as we know, I think one person who is financially supporting us and that's Meredith and golly do we ever

appreciate that Meredith. We do. Meredith actually do you have a neighbor's like maybe just tip tap tap on a neighbor's door just let them know about TBTL see if they're interested in accepting TBTL

into their life. That's right keep them away from hell's gate by talking to them about the gospel of TBTL. Thanks also to Christian Curlot who's in Shoreline, Washington. Now if I would have said Shoreline Christian would have been like maybe me maybe someone else because I would say this is the third shoreline reference in the last two weeks.

Yeah, maybe even in the last week. Some of my favorite transfer stations are in shoreline.

Places where they basically ask no questions. Some of my favorite bowling alleys are in shoreline. If you act like you know, it's like Tom Landry said when he coached the Dallas Cowboys. When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before. And that's your policy when you go to that waste transfer station that you're not really supposed to go to. Exactly.

They just, how you doing today, Betty? What are we working with? Has that old grump shown up yet? Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

That was so natural.

Yeah. Did it come off as natural? Thank you. I'm working on that.

David Yonk of Golden Valley, Minnesota was totally convinced on that. I wonder where Golden Valley is.

It is. That is a shocker, right? I think we've said this before. But when you say Golden Valley and then you follow it with Minnesota, you're like, oh, I didn't know we were going with Minnesota there. I thought we were going with California.

It's probably time of year, right? i bet you anything there are some times when that valley is just as golden as can be i believe it but then there are probably times when it's as snowy as can be becca is trying to get me to possibly attend a music festival in minnesota this summer uh that features uh the red hot chili peppers alanis morissette who else just like a every single person you can imagine from a certain era of kind of indie or alternative music radio and uh i don't know how close that's going to be to golden valley but i did you know what i said i i i'm proud of myself i said because she's got a lot of she used to live in minnesota she's got a lot of friends still back there and i said that sounds like a really great way for you and your friends to you're you're out on that huh i'm a no that's a no for me dog but i said i'll maybe come to minnesota yeah well and i mean we love we love We love Minnesota. We love the Twin Cities. We've got all kinds of friends and even colleagues there. I'd love to visit Modi and the other dogs out at Sklaroff's place. But as far as like a multi-day music festival, that is no longer part of my life.

Oh, yeah. Multi-day. I didn't even like camping. Yeah, I'd be out on that, too. But, you know, it's funny. As soon as you said that, I just started thinking, oh, well, see how that lines up with the Minnesota State Fair, because we've been threatening to go back there and do a show. And then I went on this whole journey while you were saying you might you're you were asked to attend this festival. I immediately centered myself. And then I was like, oh, well, then maybe we can go out there as a TBTL thing and do do shows from the fair. And then I remembered, oh, I don't know that we can just assume that we can do show. We used to be part of American Public Media, which had a stage there. Now we're just two guys who do a podcast, literally in my case, out of my basement. I don't think the Minnesota State Fair is ready for that jelly.

I think we could get away with it. And actually now I'm hearing what the closest this thing gets to being a heist film, which is we know somebody on the inside, Eric, the Viking Stromstad. there's got to be like an hour and a half of the day at some point during the minnesota minnesota state fair where nobody is using the little broadcast center that we did our show from the little stage the little stage um there's i mean they're looking i this could be a win-win they're looking to get people to come in and sit around and watch what's going on we're looking for a place to do our show from at the minnesota state fair i mean This could be, this could happen, I think.

It could. We had a, yeah. I do wonder how we are considered within that building these days. I'm not entirely sure. I mean, we ended very amicably. heard things no but you and i got a little gail schreiber's of edmunds washington been feeding you information edmunds see edmunds and shoreline culturally arby's exactly so no i don't know anything and i i shouldn't say this maybe in front of the listeners but you and i we we have aired a couple of a couple of grievances that we kind of heard about after we left 8 p.m on this very show And so part part of me in the back of my head wonders if if if we just if we don't, you know, invite ourselves back into that arena.

But I would be so flattered. I would be so flattered if anyone there even remembered us, even like literally knew who we were. No, but who was like tracking our, you know, kind of the stuff that we mutter under our breath on this show, you know, over there. And I'm not saying, I'm not trying to invalidate your concerns Because they could be mad at us for a whole different bunch of reasons Like, I don't know Like, it could be very much the case that, like, unfortunately I was embezzling I was embeveling I was going, can you tell that I'm buying countertop? I was going around rounding all the corners on things It's creating a really nice little beveled effect Nice Unfortunately, in my life And again, thank you so much to our donors today for keeping, our donor circle members for keeping TBTL going.

Our grudge circle. Welcome to the grudge circle.

That is one of the bands that's playing in Minnesota, grudge circle. Yeah, I believe that. But the thing that I need to always remember is there have been times in my life where I only found out later that in fact there was, how do I put this? a certain lack of enthusiasm around me and my work and my way of operating that I didn't even

know about at the time um is that did that happen once and am I the one who delivered that news to you because I think I said something one time that got in your head yes it was I'm thinking

of that one specific thing which was um and then I I think I don't know if I heard from you if you were trying to walk it back or if I heard from I don't know who else would have had any information on this i felt like later then something was it wasn't exact so i'll just tell people who cares i probably brought this up on the show before but basically like i used to do this little segment on um kcr or kpcc radio when uh when madeline brand had a show there and it was called awesome not awesome and it was just basically an excuse to promote tbtl there might even be a handful of listeners out there who are listening to tbtl because they heard me week in and week out on the line with madeline yeah just kind of riffing and then the show moved well madeline moved to a different station uh you became the uh executive producer of that show and somehow i heard of the

show that she that yes that she moved not not the show that she left but the new show yeah and what

i heard uh was that because i i did not i did not make the migration to the new platform to the new station uh the segment awesome not awesome didn't and i somehow in my mind got it that that was because the folks and one folk one folk in particular uh over at the new station was kind of like yeah i don't like luke burbank i don't want luke burbank on this on my station or on this show that was how i took it i feel like later you might have clarified that it might have been a little bit more generalized i think it was a little bit a little bit more like let's let's not bring all of the elements over or let's not just have madeline's buddies on or something that was maybe less about me and more about a way a style of broadcasting again i think the truth is in

in between both of these i i definitely didn't i don't know why i would have said this to you but i think i said it to you not to hurt your feelings but because i was i didn't like it on your behalf i was i did not like this news but i had heard that like yeah there was a person at that station and in a position of power who basically said yeah burbank's not coming on this station because again this is a new show on a different station that madeline has come to and at the time I'm still doing a podcast with you you and I are friends every day at the end of my shift I'm going into a studio to talk to you Luke Burbank every day I was surprised when you

materialized by the way and I swear five days a week I was like is this the day Andrew says no

more and then no mas but then um then somebody said yeah yeah no no Burbank on this one but then I did hear that generally speaking there was and I don't know if these two things lived at the same time but this feeling of like we're not just going to have madeline bring all of the regulars the sclar brothers the burbanks the whoever else from the old gig onto the new one they wanted to do something new and that makes sense as rival radio stations you don't want somebody just like recreating what they did you know across the street so i guess the thing about that that's

that's interesting to me is that that let's just say let's go with the idea that like i specifically just kind of rubbed somebody the wrong way and somebody was like yeah yeah, I don't really hear that for this station or whatever. I'm amazed that that hasn't happened way more with me. Not that I'm the bad boy of public radio, but I'm just surprised that I haven't had more people to my face in positions of authority say, yeah, no, we don't like what you're doing at all. Because it is pretty specific. It's pretty like, I don't know, it is what it is. I'm not trying to say that I'm such a, like I said, such a rebel, But I'm surprised it's only happened, to my knowledge, about one time. There could be other times I just didn't hear about. But I feel like it should be happening more frequently. People are like, we're not buying what you're selling.

I'm just going to argue that. No, no, no. People hate you all over this country. Plenty of people hate you. You had some, and I'm only repeating this from what you've told me, there was a lot of friction when you left New York because of some of the professional relationships you had.

But that was because they wanted me to stay.

Oh, that's true.

That was the bizarre, and that's probably why it didn't hurt my ego as much, or why I didn't take it as seriously as I should have, because the basic issue was I was arguing, I don't want to do this anymore, and they were saying, you have a contract and have to do this.

Yeah, so that's kind of flattering. You have to love me.

Yeah, exactly, and I kind of, yeah, I've been coasting off of that ego hit for 20 years.

Well, that's why I told you the KCRW story. You got to bring me back down to earth.

it's honestly it's i'm getting i was getting too hept up on goofballs and you had to just kind of mellow me back down on a little a little uh low self-esteem stuff hello and welcome to top story all right let's just quickly talk about this beverage this beverageino thing um i said just in passing yesterday like in the last five minutes of show and i don't know why but i i said that i feel like we need to kind of agree on what we're calling carbonated you know water that is lightly flavored and zero calorie i.e seltzer soda water bubble water as i call it i think i think i call it bubble water more than anything else and i don't even know where i got that and i also feel like i don't think anyone else is calling it that i think

I think I need to I think I need to really rethink that like I feel like maybe seltzer is okay sparkling sparkling sounds fancy I just got there by googling it because you mentioned like I like you said you teased this on yesterday's show I don't know if you consider it teasing and I've been thinking about it ever since I am with you that I feel like saying bubble water communicate something to somebody like whether you're talking to a server at a restaurant or if you're in somebody's home that's pretty clear what we're talking about here in fact is it though yeah because i think that i've noticed something in the past 20 years that if you're at a restaurant now folks will ask you do you want um still water or sparkling water and if you say bubble or bubbly water like yeah that means like do you have anything that is along the lines of a lightly flavored or possibly flavorless sparkling water i think that's totally fine i'm surprised that people are giving you any grief over that and i'll punch them right in the nose luke

Well, the problem is, do I want to be right or do I want to be happy? Because I've been saying bubble water to people, and particularly on airplanes, maybe it's just loud. Maybe it sounds like boba tea. Maybe there's, I feel like the last two times that I've been flying and that they've come around asking me if I want anything, and I've been saying bubble water, again, it might just be an ambient noise issue, but it just seems like there's a lot of confusion. And I think the reason that I don't say seltzer is because it's not Brighton Beach memoirs. It's not the 1940s in Brooklyn. Seltzer to me is very identified with New York City. Like, do you feel like if you order a seltzer in a restaurant, you should be in Second Avenue Deli or Katz's or something? Like, it just feels very, very New York City of a certain era.

I don't have that same connotation with it, but I think that's just kind of because I didn't have that connotation with it. In other words, I think that you're probably right. In fact, when I think of seltzer, I think of the seltzer craze of the 1980s. Has Neil Simon written about that? The seltzer craze of the 1980s. Everybody was wearing big floppy hats and drinking, but it was a popular soda brand that was called what? New York Seltzer. And it was actually- New York Seltzer. New York Seltzer. Get a cup.

Although the irony is, the great irony of that, and that was my first foray in it, ever seeing the word seltzer written, and I loved those things.

It was just soda. It was so sweet. Yeah, I didn't realize that until I got older. It was just bright, basically by another name. And then I tried it, yeah. But it was weird, because then they had a root beer-flavored seltzer water, so it was clear, but it basically tasted like root beer. But anyway, putting all that aside, I am, but more to the point of what we're talking about here, I am wondering if I don't get. confused or blanch at the idea of bubble water because i've heard you say it so much because i'm googling around and i thought no one calls it there is that brand bubbly b yes bly and i was sort of picturing that and now that you raised the bubble tea or boba tea thing i do wonder if on the plane people are thinking that i think you should start saying sparkling water see this is this is

probably why i don't say sparkling water because it sounds like it's going to be more expensive which makes no sense because it's free on the airplane and it probably conveys the message more. For many years of my life, when going out to, you know, kind of a decent restaurant, you've said now it's become more, because I think as we drink more seltzer water or sparkling water or bubble water as a society, it's not just the fancy restaurants that now ask you, okay, water, do you want still or sparkling? But it used to be that that would be in a kind of restaurant where I remember thinking, I don't know what the sparkling water costs here, but it's probably going to be too much. going to be washing dishes right so that old what do you think how many times in the history of america over or under 5 000 times did people have to wash dishes to pay their restaurant because i assumed that was going to be a really big part of my life we're talking about some of

the yeah some of the nastier stuff we're talking about earlier growing up you just assume certain certain things are a part of life i always assume that oh yeah at some point the check is going to come. They're going to cut my credit card in half with a pair of scissors and I'm going to have to

do dishes. It's just like, if you think about that as a solution, it falls apart so quickly.

Someone has to train you. Yeah. Like your food handling permit. It's like, I used to be a

dishwasher at Green Lake Jake's. It's not like you don't pick it up in five minutes. There's a system there's like every one of those big dishwashers are kind of operate differently and they've got quirks and like there's, it takes you a couple of shifts to even get kind of good at it. Like it's, you're slowing everything i mean this is this restaurant is worse for the fact that random travelers are now washing the dishes and then like you just have a whole line of people washing

dishes but not enough people making food you just have all these people who couldn't pay their bills

milling around the tubs i i just always um for a long time when i would hear the word sparkling water i would see dollar signs and i know this is insane but it's because i'm insane and so i think i've been hesitant to go around the world asking for sparkling water because of some weird like subconscious aversion to what i think is the most expensive version of this even though that makes no sense at this point i can just start calling it sparkling water and that's probably the thing

the most people are going to know about i think that is true i think and i do i think you landed on something with the whole bubble thing and maybe on an airplane and people thinking you're talking

about boba tea i mean can you imagine getting a boba tea on an airplane no but i'm you and i have

talked about this that's not something that i enjoy anyway so um yeah i was that was one that

really the the hype got out in front of boba tea for me like i just saw so many shops and it was like everyone was doing it and then i think literally the first and only time i got some maybe just wasn't great was addy and i were in new york we were visiting columbia university actually And we got some boba tea And I was like, finally it's happening Have the rumors been true And then we drank some of it And I was like, ugh, not for me

I mean, yeah, I'm very sensitive to texture too

It's because it's got these kind of tapioca balls in By the way, tapioca balls were a big part Of Brighton Beach memoirs as well Which I wasn't really ready for Yeah, you know All right, a little music for your weekend Before we head on out Do you have a big weekend plans?

Do I have big weekend plans? Some folks are coming over tonight to play games. Genevieve wanted to have a game night, so we have a couple of other couples coming over. I thought the interesting thing was Genevieve didn't have any specific games to play. So a couple of days ago, I'm like, so what games are we playing? She's like, I don't know. So she bought a game. I can't remember what the game is called, but it's some sort of, I think, a party game where you have to, I don't know, It said on the cover of it or on the box, it said something about like it's a New York Times best selling game or something like that, which I didn't know that was a thing. So I'll let you know how that was on my game night was.

I would love it if you somehow steer the evening in the direction of charades and then you put in people that are directly pulled from the I think you should leave sketch. Mookie Betts and the eight balls. yeah like just start putting those people and just see how long you can get away with playing the heidecker character from that sketch before other people in the room either figure out what

you're doing or genevieve asks you to leave king of the tuck tuck sound i'm trying to scroll where be your nutcracker where be your nutcracker i am just bear with me for one second let me just see if i can find the game that genevieve so she oh here it is she went to the store yesterday and i'll bet you are because we have a lot of listeners who are into games yeah There's

is a game called Wavelength, okay? It's got a real snazzy box, and I see it's kind of a, oh, yeah, it's like a three-dimensional setup that I didn't fully realize here, but let me give you the New York Times review of this, why we love it. In my opinion, a good party game is one where, by the end, players have lost all track of the score and are just invested in continuing to play. Wavelength has that effect in spades. Okay, the box is nice, blah, blah, blah, how it's played. Players are split into two teams. Are you with me? Do you care?

I do care, and I'm following you, and I'm considering buying it. I'm looking at it right now.

It does look nice.

I like the look of the box. I like whatever this timer dial is or something.

Yeah, so there's some sort of a dial on it. Players are split into two teams each round. Let's see. And each round one team is tasked with moving a dial so the needle is in the center of a funnel-like target. The trick is you can't see the target while the needle is moved. It's some sort of a word game. As I read this, I don't think it's going to make sense to our listeners. But you have to, like, kind of guess the word based on how people are moving this. Because I guess all the things are on a spectrum. On the back of the box, it said something like, this is something that is hot. And you could say, okay, well, that's maybe in between because lava would be the hottest and ice water would be the coolest. So maybe a cup of coffee would be like slightly tilted towards lava. I don't know.

Let me know how it goes because I'm just looking at a picture of it and this actually looks fun to me. Again, I don't know if this is the aging process or the beginning of the dying process. But like this actually seems like a fun thing to do with some other folks on like a Friday night. And if it turns out to be because I just feel like at this point, I know every of the 10 like kind of go to, you know, board games or not even board games, But just like games you might play when people come over, i.e. Cards Against Humanity or whatever. Although I'll tell you, Cards Against Humanity, it's still pretty fun, I think. It still can be pretty fun. But the point is to introduce a new game, a new fun thing to do, that's a whole new lease on life. Like if it's actually good, that's a big deal. That means you now kind of have a thing you can do with other groups of people, you know, for the foreseeable future.

I thought, though, see, I'm less of a party game person. Oh, are you going to be shocked to hear this? I thought, like, somebody was going to bring over a game like Settlers of Catan or something like that. Because, like, Genevieve loves her bird game, right? Right. And you play birds, actually, with her a lot. Yeah, we play that a lot. And that's, like, kind of nerdy but also kind of an entry-level game for people who want to get into slightly more complicated games, I guess. And so I thought we were going to sort of continue on that journey. So I thought somebody was going to maybe bring over Catan and teach us how to play it or something like that. But this sounds more like this is closer to like the apples to apples side of games, which, you know, what's apples to apples again?

Isn't apples to apples Cards Against Humanity, but with less like. Yeah, I think it was. I think it's the original. Brighton Beach memoir in it.

Exactly. I think it was. I think it came out first because I remember. In fact, Genevieve and I might have a claim to fame on Cards Against Humanity. Like we probably should have sued them because we played apples to apples in New Hampshire when we were just merely in our in our 20s. And we ended up making our own version called Ashes to Ashes that had all these like like little local references and references to our friend group and everything. But, yeah, it was basically a Cards Against Humanity, which I've never played before.

But now the photo that I'm looking at of this game, I'm probably misreading it. The person it's just a kind of a set of hands. The one I'm looking at on Amazon dot com and the person the person is kind of doing this, whatever this dial game, you know, part of the game is. and that's like their right hand and then their left hand is holding kind of like a smallish like wine glass and it has something that if you looked at it quickly you might think it's just like a beer like a you know a hefeweizen or something but the size of the glass makes me think what it really is is a funky natty wine like an orange natty wine which i i there's we'll never be able to confirm or deny this but i have a theory that because this is like a cool game for cool people And I don't mean that in a bad way Like as if it would be unfun But what I mean is What this more now becomes Is a commentary about Where does funky natty wine Fit into our sort of sense Of the world, right?

I don't really know What you're talking about With funky natty wine To be honest with you

Do you know about natural wines? Not really, no I'm actually surprised Because when we do talk about wine I'm always impressed at your You would downplay it But I do think you actually have A pretty decent amount of wine knowledge So this is a great way to get into the weekend um actually it is because people might be out having funky natty wines this weekend so natural wines have been and now they're they might almost be on their way out at this point but like there's a certain kind of person who's wearing glare ups and and and going to see a kate berlant john early show who also or they're very into the jack

glenn novak on your knees you know netflix special or whatever there's a certain kind of a young hip person who they've been very obsessed with natural wines and natural wines are like kind of like regular wine but they're like i guess maybe a little bit less processed i'm i'm bad with the information on what makes these things what they are except i know that i don't like them i see are

they like they're i'm totally guessing you're just based on what you're saying is you keep it saying funky is it almost like a fermentation kind of thing yes it's almost has a slightly more of a

kombucha yeah vibe i don't know how i natural orange wine let me just tell you uh and i use the word funky advisedly because it seems like that's one of the favorite ways to describe it like you go people also ask what is a funky orange wine it's a white wine vine vineified like a red wine which involves fermentation hey andrew good call with prolonged contact between the grape skin and the juice the color pigments in the skin give the orange wine its distinct color and unique flavor profile people are always like one of the ways to really compliment a natural wine is to say it's funky oh that's funky and jeez i'd been hearing about it for so long and then i finally went out with a very this was actually a couple of years ago believe it or not but i went with a very hip friend of mine like somebody who really like is on the the the cutting edge of all and not in an annoying way at all not in a way of they're like trying to show off in a way of like it's just how they live like they just kind of read the right books and and and again not it it's not it's not as insufferable as it sounds it's just like this is a person who just and it's i'm not talking about adelaide here it's just although this is also she definitely knows her stuff and i was like okay finally we're doing it we're having a funky orange wine at this cool wine bar and then i was like this is the worst thing i've ever had i can't believe this is what all the hype has been about anyway the idea that somebody in that they've decided to kind of pose the person who's playing this game with a funky orange wine it just and i don't even know if that's the case but it's just like it's all part of it sounds like i'm being negative and i'm really not trying to be i'm just what i'm doing is i'm like sort of i don't know what i am i'm a cultural magpie or something i'm always seeing little things picking them up studying them seeing if i want to bring them back to my nest trying to figure out how stuff kind of triangulates to other things who's if are the people that are playing this game are they also the funky are they part of the funky orange wine crew that's interesting because that's a certain kind of and then if they are i could tell you probably about how they're decorating their place because that's a thing there's like just these predictable patterns of what we get into and kind of the part of the culture that we tend to like you know find ourselves most comfortable if you will and so that was a very very long very uninteresting digression about if the person is drinking a

funky orange wine or not how do you feel we should just how does it feel how does it feel like i feel like we should just do music fair weekend i was gonna say i was looking at a photo today of a friend or some i don't even know if it was a friend or just a contact on instagram um but they posted a selfie of themselves that's how selfies work and in the background i noticed that they have a wall of a whole you know it's like kind of like that maximalist i don't know if i'm using that word correctly but like the idea of like you have a whole bunch of pictures or art in various kinds of frames all on the same wall sort of like a red robin is that what it oh oh like a tgi fridays is that what it's called oh yeah we started that yeah but not like quite as quirky as that but i do sort of i realize oh we it was one of those trends that i didn't ever really realize was a thing that i'm now realizing oh there's going to be a time when we look back at this era and i don't hate it by the way i'm not judging it it's just a minimalism not the minimalism but the fact that more and more people i feel like oh like nora's house when she posts photos from her house you see like it's like a whole wall of various photos it's like more it's not like one painting or one piece of art in a nice minimalist frame with a lot of space around it. People, we are living in an era where people are putting like there will be one wall with a whole bunch of frames on it and those frames aren't necessarily matching and it's kind of, I mean if it's done well it's a really cool look but I just had this moment today

where I was like, you're saying Nora hasn't done it well?

No, Nora's done it great, I love her. Hasn't she been through

enough Andrew?

You know what, I'm glad you brought this up i need to apologize publicly to nora for insulting her design sensibility no we've been in our house it's so great oh my god yeah um but no that's what i mean though i think it takes though as for me somebody who is who leans more towards minimalism generally speaking in the aesthetics that i like i think it takes a real eye to put together a wall like that that doesn't seem chaotic But also, you know.

what I mean I saw I actually appreciate it but I also think I I guess my point was I was like oh I'm just noticing that that is a thing that a lot of people have or had it might even be going a little bit out of you know out of vogue now I'm not sure I don't follow trends the way you do so that's why I wanted to ask you if that's something that you've noticed as well I think it's it's it's

it's in style and I think it's going to be around for for the foreseeable future which is the idea having what we were talking about the other day like more stuff like people saying hey i have stuff and i like it and it does make me happy and it reminds me of things and et cetera et cetera um i think that the sort of walking into a room that is just kind of like a sort of a beige and it has like one really designy chair like a wood chair like basically the pictures of rick rubin's house in malibu which are kind of we're making the rounds like rick rubin is having a moment i brought him up on the show i was texting with our our friend brent henry martin about rick rubin related things the other day that you know rick rubin the music producer he's i think he's having a moment because he's on a lot of these podcasts that are just about like mindfulness and about i don't know just creativity and how we get through the world i am pro rick rubin by the way i find him to seem like a very thoughtful person uh do i think he has the most perfect back skin that anyone's ever seen even though he subjects it to the sun i that that part sounds medically uh sort of debatable but there have been these photos go andrew just google rick rubin i'm doing it now i'm on curbed i'm looking at this and it is it's a it is i mean it's taking it's taking um sort of minimalism to a level if you're looking at the same ones that i've looked

at yeah what about these wooden stairs i mean that just looks like the contractor didn't finish

this is interesting that looks like the contractor's like we need to get a lot of drywall up there so we're going to build these stairs temporarily and then you know obviously we'll the real stairs in later but for now you need us to be able to get the stuff up to the second floor like it's a whole vibe and on the one hand i do sort of like look at it and i think man if i had this house and i had it designed or decorated the way or not decorated the way rick rubin does man look at the create think of the creativity that would flow through my brain without any clutter or stuff or distraction it seems to work for him he's been highly successful he may he may be at a place of just inner calm and peace that i'm just not at so i still need so much propping up by like objects and things in my life but um that i think it would be an extreme and if you remember i don't know if you remember this but like there were a lot of pictures going around this would have been 10 years ago or something when kanye west and kim kardashian bought um some you know spectacular home somewhere and then kanye decorated it was very much like what what Rick Rubin's house looks like. Like you saw photos and you were like, well, where does anybody sit? Like you have all the money in the world. And wow, this is really an intensely decluttered environment. So I think we're moving away from that. And I think-

Cable management though is not great. His amplifier is just sitting on the floor, like his stereo amp.

Well, that's how advanced it is, my friend. Yeah, yeah. It's just like you don't even, it's not about hiding all that stuff. it's about just having you know how about those speaker towers are you looking at those speaker

yeah i think that's what i just is that are they the ones on either side of the amplifier yeah yeah

those things are wild like a million dollar speaker system that's right oh that story was about rick rubin yeah what if that was the reveal it'd be so great he does not look unlike howard hughes these days long beard yeah but um i would i guess i would i guess to answer your question or to to weigh in on the topic i do think that we're we're getting into a more playful more like colorful more like almost um you could say whimsical or kitschy world like that's that aesthetic or that design style is very in style right now and in a way i really kind of like that because i think it's it's happier and it's it's got more kind of warmth and it's it just says like hey whatever your deal is like this is fine you're welcome it feels more welcoming to me than walking into a room that is just totally spare like walking into one of those rooms at rick rubin's house which will never happen for me i will not be invited uh probably although

i'm really like rick you really you you think it's totally outside of the realm of possibility

that cbs i think anderson cooper did a big story on him and so now it's like there's there will there will not be any more rick rubin stories for a while and it's like uh i'm pretty low on the thanks a lot anderson yeah right have you not gotten enough attention of late um but anyway uh i i do think we're going towards a little bit more colorful or maybe they've been maybe it's been happening for a while and i'm just now finding out about it but i don't hate it in fact i put this whole shelf not even a system i bought the stuff at freaking lowe's but like i put these floating shelves in my living room area and i've been last night when i got home andrew at one in in the morning, and it was way time for me to go to bed.

i had received a box in the mail uh that was this clock that i got this kind of clock that sits on a shelf because i realized as my dad and i have been powering through shetland i don't ever know what time it is because i don't have if i don't have my watch on and there was no i didn't have any clock in the living room so but i have these kind of intentionally haphazardly shelves i might when i say haphazard i mean they just have books kind of piled up on them there's that like piggyback pig that i have there's just there's some new yorkers like it's intentionally not uh decluttered it's almost cluttered on purpose and i wanted to put this clock this oversized clock somewhere on the shelf because i mean it's designed to stand up on its own right you could hang it on the wall but i spent a good 45 minutes last night at one in the morning placing the clock on different parts of these because there's like maybe four or five shelves and it kind of goes up over the television um in my little living room area and i would put it somewhere i'd rearrange all these books and these piles of things i would put it up there and then i would go stand in the back of the room and look at it and i'd be like nope wrong and then i'd go back i finally found a spot that i kind of like but what i was doing was spending all this time i didn't have trying to create something that looked effortless effortlessly and totally un uncomplicated like this is just this room spontaneously became this way but it was the it was so effortful like the

people who make i don't know if this is still a thing but like the people who like muss up their hair to make it like spend a lot of time mussing up their hair yeah exactly this idea that it's like

oh i don't even give this any thought at all but in fact it's a lot of thought like last night from i wanted i want this room if you walk into the room this the living room which is really the entire like the living room in the kitchen are all in the same little space like this is a small i'm gonna start calling my house the cabin because that is kind of what it is and also i really need to manage expectations for anybody visiting including you and vives like what you're coming out to it's a teeny tiny little place but i want people to walk in and be like huh this is so cozy and like welcoming and effortless and it's like no it involves me standing at one in the morning painstakingly placing this thing in eight different positions then my dad comes down this morning goes oh you should hang that clock on the wall and i was like i swear to god walt if you start with

me right now i thought he was going to say what time is it he did though go like oh you could put

that on the wall and i was like i can't even like i was like i can't try to explain to you what this is so you're like a high schooler again it is you don't get oh my god dude that is exactly the dynamic like i mean in a good way like we don't i love being here with my dad it's been one of the great joys of my of my life in the last 10 years legitimately but we have regressed to this like old man like like he'll he'll be like oh you could do this and i'm just like i can't even begin to try to explain to you dad why that would be such a bad idea you're such a nerd dad like i just can

you drop me off two blocks from the lows and that's like but then i like humor him sometimes

like yeah maybe we could i could maybe do that but it's like you know i have such and again when you come over to the cabin you'll be like yeah this place is cool you won't you won't be like i've never been in a cooler place you won't be like luke your design sense is so unbelievably dialed in that like you've done it you've absolutely nailed it like that's not even where i'm at with this stuff but i am so gd finicky about everything and my dad is the least finicky person i've ever he does not care at what he wears what he eats what like he listens to like he is the most untroubled person i've ever met and i am the most troubled person i've ever met by everything well

that's why his version of thursday night live actually got off the ground well exactly he

didn't let the perfect become the enemy of the good exactly okay uh speaking of perfect decisions what is the music for your weekend that you would like to play for us today just want to

take a moment to reflect on the fact that that whole 30 minute block began with you saying you

you do anything fun this weekend yeah and you talked about a game and then we talked about

funky natty wine and the clocks i'm sorry another clock makes its way into the plot line of the show andrew every now and then it's just good to like sort of be able to trace back like wait how did we end up here right okay gotcha games uh anyway so that's what i'm doing this weekend and i'm gonna play for you a song that uh just came out i think a couple of days ago and it's from a band that i would be shocked that you weren't heavily into back in the day although though I'm not sure. Camera Obscura is back. Oh, yes. Yes, Scottish band. I didn't know they were back. They are back. They took a hiatus, I believe, of, do I say hiatus? You do. They took a hiatus of, like, I think almost a full decade. Have you been reading The Highway? Wait, what? I don't even know what The Highway is.

I think that's Tim Heidecker's motivational book that he's pitching now on the latest version of On Cinema.

But anyway, Camera Obscura came out in the mid-90s.

90s and I think really had the heyday like and I could be wrong about this but I think of them as like that or they're they're Scottish but I think of like me and my friends being into that very twee music of the early 2000s culturally they're culturally Peter Bjorn and John that's not true they were a little bit Sebastian I think they toured with them and everything and I think there was a um I think there was a tragedy I think somebody passed away and I think that they hung it up for a long time and now they're back with an album that's coming out I think very soon called look to the east look to the west and i'm pretty sure they've only released one single so far so far and it's called um i'm holding it together here it's called big love is the name of the new single and i and i really enjoy it and it was funny i don't i don't need to bring this up and it was interesting to watch this new video by them because maybe as i mentioned earlier i'm 47 now it's it's interesting to think about age and how we're aging and to see this video to see these folks and they're all you know lovely people but i think of them as still so young right and to see people and i think they are younger than me i would guess although i'm not sure but just to see camera obscura as like solidly middle-aged people you know making music now in 2024 i love the song it's great but it was sort of a trip to sort of watch to watch the video and sort of it's

always it seems like it's often the other people whether it's your children or your parents or the bands you like as they progress through life somehow that is when the point really comes

home that you are aging yeah when you see a photo of a friend you haven't seen in a long time and you're like oh I realize I've just been picturing you how I saw you last in 2006 and maybe it's like it's this era of music I've seen the people who were you know big in the 80s and 90s or whatever age there's no shock there but this band that I think of as a kind of a early 2000s band that was just like the epitome of twee coolness you know and not that they're not twee and not that they're not cool there was just something about watching this that kind of reminded me that um that that time marches on but luckily with music so I'm going to shut up now and I'm going to hand things over to Camera Obscura singing this song Big Love

It was a big laugh She said That's why it took ten years To get her out of your head We watched her swerve She peek off the room We heard you cry It's time to say goodbye It was a big laugh She said Kind of big love That took a stole on your bed We watched you break The more she would take We heard you cry It's time to say goodbye Oh, honey, don't go back there You know there's no room for you there Honey, don't go back there Don't you dare

it's funny to hear americana through the lens of an irish pop band yeah i love it i like that song a lot i feel like i might be are they are they irish or scottish i'm sorry i think scottish and

i think i just i think i'm culturally scottish now because of all the shetland i've been watching i was watching the video too that you were referencing which is really cute but i'm like i was thinking oh i bet you in scotland like because you know if we hear about a band whether it's bell and sebastian who i believe are also scottish or camera obscura if we are hearing about them out in seattle in portland can you imagine what the response in glasgow yeah like it just must be and i was like this is where my brain goes because it's full of funky natty wine uh is i was like god it would be so fun to be in shetland listening to camera obscura we got an email from a listener uh which maybe i'll read for you on monday who actually visited lerwick with uh her dad uh and lerwick is where that show shetland is sent or set rather and like i was looking at these photos from this listener and i was just like oh my god i gotta go to shetland and now i know i gotta go to shetland and i gotta listen to camera obscura yeah yeah on the way on the airplane um the uh song that i'd like to play or at least the artist i'd like to feature is a guy named jeff rosenstock do you know about jeff rosenstock at all nope never heard of it i had seen this guy's name bopping around i bet you anything our friend the musical stew bot that knows all about about this dude he is i was well basically what happened was uh i was somewhere with becca we were in some store and i heard what i thought was maybe a new built to spill song and i was like oh and i got the shazam out because i was like huh are they because i built spill does have some new music out that i've been enjoying and i shazam did and it was this guy guy, Jeff Rosenstock, again, who's, is it kind of an interesting story to me because he's, it sounds like just been on the sort of periphery.

of a certain kind of I don't know if you'd even call it indie music but just music like he's from Long Island he's been in a number of different bands he's never he I was looking at his tour he's playing shows in Europe and some of them are sold out so he's having success but he's not really a household name he's not like an MJ Lenderman the guy that I'm really into right now who's like the the the funky natty orange wine of singers like the coolest guy to be into you know this guy Jeff Rosenstock just seems to kind of fall in between all these different categories um but um i do like uh his music and i thought we could play this song uh nausea by this guy jeff rosenstock who by the way also is i think in his 40s like he's just been a working musician for a long time but it's it's it feels to me like the stuff i've heard of his which isn't all of his catalog but a fair amount of it it seems like somebody who was influenced by a lot of the same people that i really like so the music kind of seems to reflect a lot of different sounds Particularly of certain kind of indie music That I really like So take a listen to Jeff Rosenstock

Trill and stumble to bed In a fucked up sleepwalk I got so tired of discussing my future I started avoiding the people I love Evenings of silence and mornings of nausea I read the worst thing ever in a Bound rope of off-white terror clock Translated by technology from Your voice, extremely inaccurately I got so tired of discussing my future

So I want to be clear, this wasn't the song I thought was Built to Spill. This is the song I suggested, but we have friends out there that are like, Luke, are you okay? Did you sustain a head injury? You heard that and thought that was Doug Marsh? No, I heard the Built to Spill-y song and then I ended up at this song, Nausea, which I think is pretty catchy. But yeah, I find this guy, this Jeff Rosenstock guy kind of interesting Because I can't quite fit him into any one category

Yeah, I'd like to hear more Do you think that's representative of what most of his music is on?

I think what he The through note of his music I think is kind of like music that feels anthemic at times And that kind of you could sing along with a bunch of other people In the way that like Petey stuff Some of Petey's stuff is very like sing-alongable Particularly if you've had a certain kind of experience, you know um i think i actually would be we still should get pd on the show that's oh yeah that's an accomplishable thing for us yeah or famous last words by the way but um but uh i i wouldn't be shocked to hear that pd kind of knows of this jeff rosenstock guy and and and has a little bit of that dna in him as well just music that's confessional kind of from a guy's perspective but kind of about the complexity of being a guy in the world um and the fact that we can't get a break, not that last part, but I don't know, just I'm doing a bad job of describing the energy, but it is a certain kind of energy that I've, you know, I'm not gonna listen to it 24 seven, but also it's, cause what I have to listen to 24 seven is Youth Lagoon. That's all I do now.

Oh yeah.

All I do is just listen to that first song off of that latest Youth Lagoon record. And then I just walk around my house and just stare at things. So that's what I'll be doing tonight when my dad goes home, Just wandering around the house staring at things.

I hope that when you walk in later, that clock's going to be on the wall.

He's been going in and out of the house furiously. I don't know what he gets up to. That would be funny if he just starts being, I am your father and you will respect my design decisions. Our suggestion from the listener this week is from listener Karina, who says, I'm really liking this song called KPR by Yumi Zuma. I have no idea why it is called KPR or how to pronounce the band name. the Karina includes parenthetically this Wikipedia link has a pronunciation for it but I always feel like I'm looking at a magic eye poster when I try to read the pronunciation thingy anyway I hope you

like it what's the what's the thing that's hard to pronounce KPR I think Yumi Zuma oh Yumi Zuma okay sorry I that sounded like I was setting up a joke there I really was can I kind of got lost there a little bit but yeah Yumi Zuma to me yeah Yumi

Zuma is the band and the song is KPR and it's suggested by listener Karina. So that is how we are going to wrap up this broadcast week. Thank you everyone for listening. Uh, thanks for being part of TVTL. We are going to be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Friday. Take care of yourself.

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