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all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show it just might be too beautiful to live this is the beginning of a social engineering attack my name is luke burbank i am your host coming to you from the madrona hill studio perched high above the columbia where it is uh we took dry january and turned it right into damp february It is just kind of overcast, some rain, nothing like what they're dealing with down in parts of Southern California. Hope you're all keeping your head above water down there. We've got episode 4134 ready for you in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. I sound just a little bit, a little bit tired today. It's because I went to a rap music show last night.

I'm the president of rap music, and I need to work with you right away.

I went and saw Slick Rick in Portland, and it was a really, really fun night. It also was unusual for me on a Sunday to be going to something where the main sort of headliner person probably didn't take the stage until like 10 p.m. or so. And then during that part of the show, there was some stuff that was a little confusing to me about cell phone usage and other stuff. This is so confusing, Ron. So we'll talk about that. Also a story that we carried over from last week, the story of a young, brave Australian woman battling a snake in her yard to save her guinea pig. My motto is to catch a snake, become a snake. Think like a snake and be a snake. We'll get into that as well. Oh, and we're going to talk to this guy. He's the longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Yes, it's a Monday morning, but also, yes, He's ready to party with the best of them. Ready to let him drop until his socks come off? He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Luke, I don't think you're supposed to even listen to rap music on a Sunday evening. I mean, I need to go back. One of those blue states. I need to go back and read the rule. Put it on the poll, Guillermo. Yeah.

You've got to cross state lines to get your hands on a rap show on a Sunday.

Exactly. Wow. Sunday night rap show. Slick Rick still kicking live shows. How old do you think he is?

Let's see, Ricky D, I think I know exactly. I want to say he's 57. We were looking it up last night.

So 10 years older than me. I would have thought more. Now I feel like I should be more accomplished.

Let's see here. I'm going to Google how old is Slick.

He only had a 10-year ramp on his career, and he's now... 59. 15, oh, 12 years. Okay. In 12 years, I'm going to make it.

You've got time. First, we've got to pick out the perfect eye patch for you. Step one. It was funny. There was one dude wearing an eye patch at the show, sort of, I guess, Slick Rick cosplaying. I mean, the sense I got was not that this was a person who was visually impaired or, like, you know, was missing one of their eyes. I think, if you don't know, Slick Rick is this kind of pretty seminal rapper from the 80s whose one of his signature looks was that he wore an eye patch because he had suffered some sort of eye injury. But I think anyway.

I think so, too. I was going to ask, it's my memory that he needed an eye patch of some sort and then it became part.

But now that you say it, you're kind of like the Internet said that he lost his eye from glass that was coming from a broken window.

OK, then I will not spoof because I was going to say when you made me think about it, I was like, boy, it would be nice to have like a something that sort of sets you apart from the crowd, like an eye patch. Right. So it's like, did did you have a stye once? And you're like, you know what, I'm just going to keep the eye patch. But no, now I'm making fun of somebody who had a truly sounds like painful eye injury that lasted his whole life.

Well, I'm going to take your honestly Rick shaming and I'm going to turn it into a moment of profundity here about four minutes into the program. I think it's really an example of what I love to cite all the time.

the perhaps principle you just don't know how is going to work out and obviously that's something losing an eye that that rick the ruler has had to deal with i you know depth perception issues a lot of things but that eye patch is a big part of his thing like you could have never known uh when you had a six-year-old uh rick walters richard martin lloyd walters that's a very regal name and you understand how he got the name the ruler yeah um like you could see a point where you'd be like well this is going to really hurt you in your entertainment career because you've got this maybe physical difference that we're not up to speed on as a society yet and yet it becomes

kind of your signature thing yeah you could see him being like a young boy maybe even being ridiculed or whatever and he's like i just want to be rick the regular boy but instead he goes

up to be rick the ruler from rick the regular to rick the ruler i don't know if we've ever had a a show title that long but i would just like to submit it as andrew i screw down the lid on my coffee because i do once again have my bar souk records kind of thermos mug thing and yes how quickly we slip you caught me slipping boo caught me slipping i just was drinking coffee out of it without putting the the top down on it which led me to some real trouble last week so anyway so uh scott and tiffany that's the brother and sister-in-law of becca got us all like kind of all of the kids in the family if you will kids average age 44 uh tickets to see slick rick because particularly jeff her brother and scott and i are all slick rick aficionados i feel like one of the things that got me sort of accepted into the family was when and this isn't slick rig this is digital underground but the three of us kind of had a moment where we just wrapped the entirety of freaks of the industry by digital underground and i felt i felt something shift internally in the family like okay he's welcome in and so anyway uh this concert was this on the

calendar for a while i just yes it was a it was a gift to everyone you didn't mention it um you

know i like to keep track of these things i know exactly well i live such a rich full life that i don't even think to tell you i'm going to a rap show on a sunday night um yeah it was it was like a i believe a christmas gift um to to everyone i will say this too and i i'm i've a sense that

scott will catch this sorry whoa are you okay i am that's me pant laughing bow wow wow give a monday for me no what i i'm gonna i wanted to say something here yeah but then i paused because number one it could be interpreted as rude to your to your in-laws let's call them and secondly i don't want to step on maybe what you were about to say well what is it well what i was going to say was if anybody wants to get me a christmas gift it's that i get to stay home on a

Sunday night. This was duly noted by everybody involved, by the way, including Scott, who bought the ticket saying, thanks everyone for rallying. It's a tough, you know, tough lift on a Sunday night. And he actually, he and Tiffany had the busiest day of any of us because they own a bar and it was also the night of the bar staff party, et cetera. So it was like everybody was kind of like juggling some things. And what I'll say, I mean, I also went to see Brighton Beach Memoirs with the, this, with the family. And it was again, a situation where somebody was kind enough to buy everybody tickets this is a real move within the family and i know everyone who's involved in this will hear this probably um and it's an interesting thing because first of all it's relatively new to me like it's not that's not necessarily the way the burbs do it the problem is we burbanks are not shower uppers you cannot really assume and no complaints yet andrew i'll have you know we like you just can't you just can't really assume that a burbank will be there until you see the whites of their eyes. That's not the case with Becca's family. They're really, really good at showing up and doing things together. And one of the ways that works is a lot of times people will buy experiences and then we all go. And I will say this, much of the time there is a point before it's time to actually put on outside clothes and go to the experience that I'm like, ooh, okay. I'm locked into this now. This was a gift to me, I'm going. And then there's always a moment during the event that I'm like, I'm so glad that I'm part of this right now. And I'm so glad I'm sharing this experience with these folks, whether it's far too much masturbation talk from a 14-year-old, as was the case for me in the Brighton Beach memoirs, or DJ Chaos berating us about the use of our phones slash telling us to start using our phones during Rick the Ruler's set. Let me set that up for you.

so can i ask you a quick question about this about this momentum of going out in the evening though because i have quite this is a serious question in fact a very serious question when you know you have something later on in the evening and for me that could be even something like it's kind of similar thing like a show that starts at 8 p.m or something i'm like oh i kind of hate this i sort of like if i get done with my work or something let's say on a friday and it's like five or six o'clock or, and then I got to.

meet up somewhere let's say at nine or something and i'm like kind of dreading that i feel like i need to get out of the house immediately because the gravitational pull of the house is what sort of is is hard to break for me or i don't like the idea of just sort of like sitting around like watching a rerun of something like looking at my clock waiting for the time to leave like i would have to say like okay well then we need to go get dinner at seven and do like do you feel the need to like kind of get out of the house or were you anyway uh in these types of situations where you feel like you might need to sort of rally to do something well in this particular case bex and i

were hanging out on sunday in portland so i was already kind of in the area um but i think you know i think generally speaking my move is to cut everything a little bit close so in other words if if the thing that i'm going to is happening at eight o'clock i'm i'm checking ways kind of sort of carefully to figure out when's the last moment i can usually leave where i am to get to where I'm supposed to be at the appointed time. Um, but again, I mean, the, a big takeaway from all of this is that particularly the fact that I live now kind of in sort of the middle of nowhere up North of Portland, a little ways, and that I live alone. And like, it is legitimately like a concern of mine about becoming a little bit more isolated than I want to be. And, and the way I even feel, you know, if I can, if I can get even more real here on this Monday morning, I, you know, I have not always been the greatest at maintaining friendships and connections with people. And part of that is because it really does take work. It takes going and doing things, not just in the moment that it feels really good, which for me has historically been when I'm drunk already. Like you want to get me out of the house, get some alcohol in me and then get me on the move. And then everything sounds like a great idea. But like, you know, if it's a Sunday and that's not what's happening for me let's say um it can be it can be something that i have to kind of psych myself up for but then also i'm always really glad i'm glad that i went and saw that show last night i'm glad i hung out with with becca's family and i'm glad i saw brighton beach memoirs i'm glad for all of it and if i if i didn't feel like somebody had already dropped 40 on me to make it happen it would be tempting to skip it and but the lesson for me is that being engaged in in in a meaningful way with people is is not something that only can occur when it feels like exactly the right moment for me for it to be happening because 90 of the time is not the right moment for any of us i've

been getting emails from tom tangney wanting to know why you guys haven't been hanging out more

in fact he said it's been about 15 years well tom buy me tickets to a rap show on a sunday and

let's let's talk okay so i stopped your flow on the cell phone confusion nothing can stop my flow

no true that was like mc ricky d yeah right um uh it was it was an interesting demo in the room because truthfully if you're if you're buying tickets to go see slick rick there's a good chance that you're somebody who's like my age or maybe even older right but then that also means you're a person who's disinclined towards being out at 11 o'clock on a sunday night you know what i mean like like this is i wouldn't have been surprised if the show started at four like just to kind of just to sort of appeal to the demo a little bit you know like because i looked around the room and it was actually a quite it was a great crowd it was people of all kind of uh you know backgrounds in terms of ethnicity in terms of kind of like vibes and people that were wearing these old school like sort of starter jackets from some you know hip hop project in portland some other folks who look like they may have just backpacked there from somewhere like it was actually a kind of a cool crowd to be around because everybody was having a good time and it was just a really wide sort of range of folks that were in there the unifying thing was we were all pretty much north of 40. that was that was the consistent thing but when when there was like an opening group and an opening dj and then the person that was slick rick's dj came out and he was kind of doing some mic testing and then he started spinning some some music and that was when scott came over to me and goes i'm worried this may be another dj before we even get to slick rick we're looking at our watches it's maybe like 10 p.m at this point and i said i have faith because he mike checked too many mics for it to just be him he had been walking around picking up different wireless microphones and checking them and i took that to be a sign that there was going to be more than just him on stage and luckily that turned out to be the case uh he uh before he brought slick rick out though he this dj was really fascinating to me he kept just stopping playing his music and everyone's kind of getting hype and then he stopped to go hold on hold on hold on hold on okay we are going to you heard this is a storyteller series okay this is going to be rick the ruler like you've never seen him and so i just want to tell you this is we're going to go back to a time before cell phones we want you to really be here and enjoy this so put your cell phones down everybody uh this is you know uh we're just gonna we're gonna have an intimate show and it's gonna be like before cell phones and the crowd kind of cheers you know that's a popular sentiment

in this day and age like just live your life don't look through a phone and then he announces a slick rick coming out and like everyone puts their phone up and starts recording him it made zero impact on the crowd's use of cell phones and we were standing in the back of the room and i'm look i don't really care if i wanted to like catch the you know sweat flying off of slick rick i could have just stood in the front row so i was okay with it but it definitely was like you could kind of not see him so well because everyone's holding up these massive tablet phones we now have so that that was funny and then you can say phablet this is a safe space the thing that was really crazy was then so the official admonishment from dj chaos was let's go back to a time before cell phones which i again i'm fine with as an idea um it's sorry it just it just sort of hit

me that like it's dj chaos who's saying let's go light on the phones everybody let's follow the So I'm DJ Chaos and I'm here to tell you, please follow the rules.

Then later, I think this is probably when Rick needed to go backstage and towel off and kind of catch a breath or something. Then DJ Chaos is kind of hosting this impromptu memorial for people we've lost and tells everyone to get their cell phones up. Get your phones up! Turn on the light on your phone and get your phone up. Now I couldn't participate because my phone was under 5% power and I knew if I put that flashlight on, that phone was dead. And I was gonna have to spend the rest of the night in an information vacuum. So I didn't hold my phone up, which made me feel like, am I not being supportive of people in the room who've lost someone? This was not an in memoriam of any quote unquote famous people. This was just like, if you've lost someone, hold your phone up. Which I guess is a nice sentiment. Energetically, it was a little, it was not what I was expecting for that room that moment let's say and then there was also a a kind of portion of the night where it was um we're going to celebrate the fallen soldiers of hip-hop now before they said of hip-hop i was like okay we're going to celebrate the fallen soldiers okay pat tillman okay what are we going to see what douglas macarthur what are we looking at here um but no it was the fallen soldiers of hip-hop and again dj chaos stops the music all right all right we're going to celebrate and by the by the way, Slick Rick had already announced this. Slick Rick was like, I'm gonna go off stage, but first we're gonna, but also we're gonna play you this video celebrating the fallen soldiers of hip hop. And then Slick Rick leaves the stage and then DJ Chaos wants to like really drive the point home. We're gonna celebrate the fallen soldiers of hip hop. And so it is like, and I want you, I could tell this is a hip hop crowd when I came in and I was like, you might be saying that to everyone. This is Portland, Oregon.

I mean, it's a hip hop show, so by definition.

Yeah, and it's Portland, Oregon. Okay, it's a hip hop crowd. okay, we'll take it, we'll take it. Yeah, sure. But, and he's like- He said that in Valley City, Ohio too. Yeah, precisely. So then he's like, it's a hip hop crowd, we're gonna celebrate the fallen soldiers of hip hop. And when you see someone, if you recognize them, I want you to make some noise. And I'm like, okay, this is an interesting kind of like Rorschach, like, are we gonna, is it gonna be some folks that maybe we, all the way out here in Portland, like, we're not real head enough for this? Like, are we gonna know who these people are, these performers are? And if we don't know, are we still gonna cheer Because what's the harm? And we're already trying to establish ourselves to DJ KS as a hip-hop crowd. If there's a hip-hop performer, let's say from New York, who we're not familiar with who passed away, are we going to just sit there on our hands?

And also are there trick questions? Is he going to put somebody in there who's actually alive and then say, everybody who just applauded, out.

Yeah, and take their phones away. It's unclear. My fears were quickly relieved when the first face that they showed was Tupac. Okay, I was wondering if we were going to go I was like, all right, we got this one I mean, honestly, I'd say almost anywhere in the world show that picture You're going to get recognition at this point It's like Tupac, and then it's, I mean, I'm doing this from memory But, you know, it's like Biggie It's like, you know, you see where I'm going with this It's just like the heaviest hitters in, like, the history of hip-hop, pretty much It is Shock G from Digital Underground, which I appreciated um but then it's also prince all right prince is on there you're getting i see where you're going

you're getting a little bit into the what is rock and roll and does it belong in the rock and roll hall of fame argument that i find to be the most useless conversation in the world

but it's like where do we draw the lines it ends with it ends with bob marley okay

Okay.

As Becca pointed out, did not feature Nate Dog. Oh. Bigger, I would say bigger influence or bigger part of my hip hop experience than let's say maybe Prince was. Prince, you know, hell of a performer. Someone obviously that meant a lot to me as a fan, but like it was a, there were some omissions and then some, I guess, commissions that were like slight. surprising um and then and then rick came back out and i mean luckily he did a handful of songs that i really like really liked which now this was also a problem because i had sort of a number in my head that was like four or five songs that i just really love that i was like if i hear four or five songs that i really love then i've heard enough songs that i really love and now i can start to think about an exit strategy um because if he had just like he played lotty dotty or performed lotty dotty i should say he performed mona lisa he performed um uh a couple of other songs mostly off of like the great adventure of slick rick which is the record that i was really really obsessed with in like high school and so i had sort of i was semi-satiated i was like i've got and then he by the way when i started to really i mean there's an irony that i use the the word exit strategy because at some point he said I would do a song about 9-11 but it's also for the Arabs and that was what I thought we may have taken a turn he had this video screen behind him that would just be showing kind of like different videos either the actual video associated with the song that he was performing so when he did like hey young world I think it

was like the video for hey young world the actual MTV video from the time yeah yeah but then

Sometimes it would just be like a movie that I didn't quite recognize that like had 50 Cent in it. I don't know if it was made from the TV show Power or something, it was just like, it was like what was going on on the screen. It was actually pretty entertaining, but I just, it was kind of all over the map. And then when he starts doing this song about the Middle East, it's like the screen behind him is just a static shot of a desert. And then another picture of Slick Rick's head, superimposed over the desert okay and then like the lyrics to the song it was actually funny because when dj chaos plugged his laptop in it definitely just had one of those default apple yeah like desert or something or like you know something in patagonia that's just like epic looking like the thing that we all stare at for a period of years because we never occurs was to change our desktop we stopped seeing it after a while exactly like i okay well i identify with on that dj chaos so it was and actually i honestly am still confused i i don't really know what the messaging was i i don't know what slick rick's deal is politically um and i don't know i was even with this words on the screen it was unclear to me what the overarching message of the song was and if it was something that i agreed with from a kind of political approach to i guess dealing with the uh iraq war or something and then after that like uh the uh the dj cast goes all right you know we were playing some uh new school songs i don't think he said new school i don't think we said that anymore uh he said we were playing some newer songs or whatever before like because you know there was different djs coming out and just like playing music and he was like and slick rick is on stage and he goes we were playing some new music before and this crowd was really into it and you know what i think i've learned i don't think that they feel it for slick rick i think they just like the new stuff and then of course the crowd was like no how could you say that he's here he can he's on stage this is ridiculous and embarrassing and then slick rick goes no we just say that in every town and i was like yeah i was guessing that was the kid i was like love the kayfabe we're like this is getting a little wwe but okay i also kind of And I wish Slickrick would have would have leaned into the bit more would have been like, I'm going to have to leave right now. DJ chaos. This is a Sunday night. It's Portland. These people are kind of old. They're all tired. This was a bad idea. Now, if you say that I'm sticking around, I am intrigued. If Slickrick has an emotional crisis on stage, I'm here for it.

Like I'm not going anywhere or just like just the most dripping sarcasm, just like, yeah, chaos. Crowds love new stuff. Traditionally, they just love the new stuff.

mr chaos yeah and so then they decided to do a this is now when i'm we're kind of like we're going all right it's a little bit after 11 we've had a really good night but like i also have on my trip home an extra you know 30 40 minutes on everybody so that's in the back of my mind a ticking clock and so um as we're starting to kind of make our way out uh they decide to do kind of like a proof of concept that old school is better than new school we're gonna play two songs and uh we're gonna we're gonna play two songs and then you're gonna tell we're gonna tell us which one moves you and then they start by playing like uh wap by nikki right no that's cardi b cardi b wap i thought it was megan lee stallion and cardi b maybe um and they're uh like they start playing that song and i'm just like this fucking slaps what are you doing what do you mean they're

You're just straight up playing it? Yeah, they're played...

a side-by-side it's like we're going to play you a new song and then we're going to play you an old song and by audience noise you got to tell us which song is moving you more nice okay so they're just over the idea yeah they're just spinning it but the idea is to i guess make the case that the old school stuff is actually better than the new school stuff even though you guys think maybe and again none of us had said this we all bought tickets or were given tickets to come watch we are very our very presence there is an argument that we appreciate the old school stuff on a sunday night no less but so he starts off playing like wap and i'm just like this is so good like i immediately start dancing like i'm like vibing and i'm like oh wait i'm messing this up i'm so and it says i'm walking out by the way i'm like i'm supposed to be sitting on my hands right now and then i'm supposed to like blow up when the old school stuff comes on well but it

It is like you're kind of sending mixed messages, too, because like you are moving. Clearly, the music does move you, but it also it moves you out the door because you're leaving as well. So it is hard to I don't know if they really know what column to put that in.

Well, this is what really happened. He then after he plays some of WAP, he then puts on It Takes Two by MC Rob Bass and DJ Easy Rock. Hit it. And it's like, that is one of the songs, hip hop songs from the eighties that is most ingrained in the fiber of who I am as a human being. I love that song so much. I pretty sure I can do that song front to back with no lyrical assistance. I love that song so much, but I'm also now on my way out, which I'm feeling a little sheepish about because I don't want people to think that I'm not a real head, I'm just a tired head. And I also love the song and I also know the song. So as we're walking out, I make it a point to sort of quasi running man slash, so I'm kind of dancing my way out of the get down theater where we were at, while also kind of loudly rapping every lyric, hoping people notice it so that they're kind of read on me as like, okay, it's a Sunday night. This guy's got a lot to do on Monday, but he's not like a complete square. He knows this song and in fact knows the words and is feeling it. He just also really needs to go to sleep now. I was trying to kind of sort of project a very complex and nuanced image to the crowd there as we went ahead and hit the doors.

I guarantee you that almost everybody who saw you, that was their takeaway from the night. So don't worry about it. I think you got your point across.

I've been checking the Reddit for that concert, just trying to see if anyone had that read on me.

Did anybody see that dancing banker?

Yeah. Oh, the dancing banker on Aurora? I wish I could say we never went there after a night of drinking. but I have been there.

That's a thing? No, that was a joke about the Dancing Bear. The Dancing Banker.

The world's saddest strip club.

I haven't frequented a lot of strip clubs, as you might imagine, but I would imagine that maybe if it was called the Dancing Banker, you could maybe get me through the door. What would that even be? Well, I feel like it would start off in kind of an office setting. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I've had some complicated feelings.

Sir Walsh, I've been able, I've been looking over some of these W-2s.

That's not, you know what, I don't know if you saw this, but I decided not to string this fantasy out too far. I made a conscientious decision to not go down this path.

Hey, let's thank some donors. These are the generous, amazing people who at some point visited their dancing banker and said, I'd like you to authorize a monthly donation to TBTL. The banker said, hold on, I'm doing the robot. Give me about 20 more seconds on this, and then I'll meet you over at my desk area. And it worked out because we're getting a donation from folks like Lori Brannon of North Lakewood, Washington. I didn't know there was a North Lakewood.

Would you take a withdrawal from the dancing banker? I know I'm the one who didn't want to. Like, do you have to remove it from their, like, clothing, from their G-string or whatever they're wearing at the time?

See, you're—interesting, I had already, and I think wisely, transitioned the Dancing Banker into more of, like, a character played by Jason Sudeikis. So, like, in a suit, just kind of dorky, doing dances, but also being involved in your personal finance. You're still staying with the stripping. Well, yeah, that's— i was imagining you go in and it's like you know jason sudeikis is in a suit but he's popping and locking and i guess i'm thinking of him because there's that what's up with that sketch they did on snl um and uh and and like you know his character all his character did if i remember right was just basically jump in and do kind of a 90s running man but while wearing a track suit i have a remember that sketch right keenan thompson i remember Remember, Kenan Thompson, that was a recurring sketch, or was it just one that you played for me one time? I have a vague memory of it. That's not an SNL hot era for me.

Hot take? Yeah. Yeah, Jason Sudeikis' character was like a guy who sort of like, when the show, when the what's up with that sort of is hitting its full, you know, excitement levels, he jumps in and he doesn't have any lines. He just does like sort of the running man slash other dances while wearing like a track suit like Ben Stiller's family is wearing in the Royal Tenenbaums. Does that frame it more in your pop culture wheelhouse?

Again, I can't picture the Sudeikis aspect of that thing. I'm still just picturing him in a D-string right now. Is the Sudeikis aspect a show title? Maybe, possibly. But I apologize for ruining the thanking of Lori Brannon.

Or enhancing it.

Or enhancing it. Was it North Lakewood that you said you hadn't heard of?

Yeah, I've heard of Lakewood. I mean, I've heard of Lakewood, Washington. I didn't know there was a North Lakewood. But you learn something every day. Thanks, Lori. Keep making Lakewoods. thanks michael mewling of mount lake terrace washington i'm very familiar with that wasn't didn't somebody write it in mlt recently yeah exactly and you were right there with the mount lake terrace as was michael i would imagine thanks michael uh thanks also to kim anderson of seattle washington ah appreciate you oh look at this helsing denmark yes where benjamin wilkins is thank you benjamin heck yeah i now see the name benjamin and i gotta be honest with you all i can see is penjamin because that's what the people on tiktok are now talking about their vape pens they're calling them penjamins that's fun i hit that penjamin when you hit that penjamin too hard and uh yesterday beck and i were walking around the Selwood neighborhood of Portland and somebody, a youth like a, which for me is anybody under like 30 now, a youth came out of the library in Selwood and she was having kind of a coughing fit but she also looked like kind of like a cool youth and I was like, she was hitting that penjamin in there that's definitely like you hit that penjamin

too hard. It's getting very close to cockney isn't it? Isn't that the whole cockney thing? It's like you have one word that sort of sounds like the other one and then the other word just replaces it and next thing you know, you're just calling your your vape pen Benjamin

it could happen yeah so prepare for it benjamin wilkins i don't know what's happening in denmark i don't know what's going on with the language there but i'm trying to think i've never been to denmark i forget that i have been briefly to norway uh when or and finland no i've been to finland and hungary finland was the one that was like a complete blur like we were i was doing this job for that big software concern and i forgot that part of it was we We were going to Finland, which was a truly weird experience. We went to Espo, Finland, where they make Nokia cell phones. Oh, and you're part of that sad story, too. We went to that.

We were just talking about that on the other podcast. Genevieve worked for a PR firm that was associated with said large tech company, which nobody would be able to figure out what we're talking about. But it's just one of the saddest stories that they just took over Nokia and then just destroyed it. and finland's proudest one of the things they were so proud of american company comes in guts

and then kills and then leaves well the american company was trying to get in on the devices market they were trying to kind of you know give apple a run for its money and they were like well these nokia devices are very popular we don't have a lot of interest in the software of them or the you know a whole lot of of the aspects of this but the actual devices that's where we might be make some inroads and bought it all sent me over there to do videos where i interview the people working at these like places where they're like you know boxing up phones and making phones i talked to designers i went to the design place which is of course very cool in espo i've talked about this on the show before but uh what i was truly surprised by was uh at lunch which was just this very kind of cool mid-century like very visually beautiful kind of big open lunch area uh where everybody was eating what i assume was free food for as long as they wanted you know it just felt very scandinavian like hey come in when you feel like it here's any kind of thing you could ever want to eat stay down here as long as you want but then somehow also the productivity is super high it's like how have you figured this all out so much better than us but go over there

if you want some health care, we got some.

Yeah, that's, oh, it's right next to the baked potatoes.

Right.

Have as much health care or baked potatoes as you want. But they had a, as if all that wasn't enough, there was a full on high school cheerleading squad that came in to just cheerlead during lunch, which sounds insane.

That does sound, I don't, I can't put that into any kind of context.

There's some, there must've been some program. We weren't filming, by the way, this was not for our edification. we were eating lunch.

we had been filming like upstairs in one of the design studios but this was this was we were just eating and they have some sort of cultural exchange where basically like artists performers people doing interesting things would just come in and sort of do a presentation while everyone from nokia was like eating their lunch just as a cultural enrichment program and today happened to be like the local high school showing off their cheerleading moves see i can sort of picture that

now because i've seen like clips of that even here in the states like some big tech companies they'll have authors come in and give talks or whatever but the fact that like this day happened to be a cheerleading squad and you're not you know kind of ready for that and it just seems so like first of all if i have if i need cheering it's not during lunch like i need somebody to cheer me on during the worst part of my day you know what i mean like i got this this is the easy part this is lunch like i got it like could you guys come back and cheer me on when it's like three o'clock and like you know that the food is starting to make me drowsy but i don't want another cup of coffee it's going to make me cranky by the way this is lunch exclamation

point is almost the name of one of those executive dating services that i used to always read about in the alaska airlines magazine i believe that one was called it's only lunch oh you've mentioned that before which was like it was they must have only distributed this magazine in first class because it's like you're flying in first class you're somebody who's clearly um traded uh maybe a fulfilling personal life for a hard charging professional life and you're now sitting on the airplane you might be like two glasses of chardonnay in and you're looking through the alaska airlines magazine and you're just thinking god it would be nice to have somebody out there thinking about me right now even though i've i've chosen work life over personal life and that's it's only lunch comes in it's so defensive yeah it's like it's only lunch and it's like they it was a franchise i think which is also very interesting so you'd have like a picture of oftentimes it'd be sort of like a very conventionally well put together like mother and her adult daughter be like we're tammy and terry and we run it's only lunch in seattle and like it's you know they'd have these testimonials from different people who are high net worth individuals who had signed up for its only lunch and had been really pleasantly uh surprised when they got to the lunch and they found the person who they had had the lunch scheduled with the lunch date to be the caliber of person they were hoping for just lunch by the

way it's it's just lunch although it's only lunch i kind of like that as our idea now it's just

lunch is the name is the real name of the thing is it still a going concern it looks like it is

i think they seem to have a website yeah it's got a really grumpy guy he's got crumbs on the front and he's just saying it's just lunch like come on it's just lunch uh well thank you uh to uh

benjamin out there in denmark and then also to dane royer in stevens point wisconsin wow do i Does Stevens Point just occupy an outsized part of my brain, or do we thank other folks in Stevens Point at least once again?

I don't know. I don't know. What are you thinking?

I think they're – are you either searchable for you? I don't know. I don't know if you're in the – Ish.

I feel like – Oh, we have two Stevens Points listeners.

There you go.

Yep. Another one named Robin.

Well, Robin, I'm sorry.

Or at least donors. Maybe more listeners, like you pointed out the other day. I'm just looking at a donor.

Donors, yeah. Robin, I'm sorry. We're not going to be able to use your first name when we thank you when it comes up because we just did that. We've thanked Robin. Okay, well, Robin, next year we're not going to be able to use your first name, but thank you for your support. And thanks to Dane Royer. I don't know if Dane and Robin know each other, but thank you to both of you. Thanks to Amy Moultre of Mercer Island, Washington. Oh, I just found Mercer Island. Really?

Yeah, Vives and I picked up that nice dresser for my kind of dark area. Oh, boy, boy, tell you what.

Tell you what. We did the Week in Review video, and Genevieve was kind enough to grace us with her presence. that was so much fun it really was really we could have done three hours of that honestly

feel like work like it was just so fun to just hang with you guys um but i that didn't even get

mentioned i mean we weren't talking specifically about that item but we were talking about the kind of you know sort of craigslist and facebook marketplace kind of free universe and also just largely the universe of of buying nothing or at least buying things that somebody else already owned so that you know we keep our carbon footprint a little bit smaller etc and what didn't even come up was and i'm going to just stereotype here when sometimes when you see something being advertised but it's and it's in a bougie neighborhood or it's in a nice neighborhood let's say i was always like well we're gonna this is something my mom taught me which was she loved to go to the lakeside rummage sale which was not actually at lakeside at least when my memory was It was actually down in the Seattle Center, but it was the stuff from the people. whose children attended the lakeside school which is where bill gates went and uh and we were like i remember going there and just being like i know this is second hand but this is second hand stuff from people that are pretty fancy therefore it has more value to me these people might have sharded i don't know i mean are these genes inherently better than i'm like i don't are these are not better people necessarily they're not better people but they have better stuff

And they're getting and they're replacing their good stuff. You know, they're replacing their good stuff with even better stuff. So you then get like and I, we didn't go to any garage sales last year, which really bums me out thinking about the summer months. But the year before that, you know, we live up here in North Seattle. And then one day we woke up and just on a whim said, you know, let's go see if there's any any yard sales around today. And we happened to say that on the morning that the neighborhood of Broadview was having a whole neighborhood collective garage sale thing, which is just a little bit.

Do you run into Ursula Royteen?

Oh, is she in there? No, I didn't know that that's where she goes.

She's for a Blue Ridge gal, I believe, but okay.

Okay, but culturally Broadview. But anyway, so that's like what northwest of us, I guess, a little bit here. And I wasn't super familiar, but, you know, we go to the one garage sale, and they actually even give you a map so you can find all the other garage sales in the neighborhood. And I will tell you, man, like, like really nice stuff that like some Calphalon and real Tupperware stuff. And it's like it's very it is true. Like if you want to go to good garage sales, go to the place where people have the cash.

That's really, as my friend Brianne would say, farting through silk. Yeah, really farting through silk. Well, thank you to our donors for making this a job so that we have at least the minimal means to go around to rummage sales of people with more money than us and buy their castoffs.

I couldn't do it without you. Yeah, you know what? I'm keeping it real.

Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right, let's talk about the story of Rosie Whiteman, age 12, and her guinea pig, Maxie Bon, of Queensland in Australia. this is a video that sort of went around the internet last week that I was quite fascinated by it's CCTV footage from the backyard of the Whiteman family there in Australia the headline this is in the Washington Post written by Adela Suleiman and Julia Julie Yoon Australian girl swings large snake in the air to save her pet guinea pig Rosie Whiteman 12 is seen in the silent video footage cleaning out her pet's cage in her backyard before noticing the rodent being attacked by a snake hidden in the bushes the snake dropped maxi bond this is uh well i kind of jumped ahead in the story here uh she basically in the video grabs the snake by the tail and starts swinging it around in a circle and i watched this video and there was something about the look on Rosie's face when you zoomed in when you as you said Andrew the other day to me off air enhance enhance enhance where you see this look on this 12 year old girl's face that I can identify with so closely which is you are doing the absolute last thing in the world you want to be doing but you realize it is the only option in this moment there is nothing about picking up this snake that is appealing to her other than the fact that it is currently attacking her guinea pig maxibon named i believe for an ice cream treat oh is that what maxibon in australia i think we ate maxibon or at least i saw maxibon well yeah that's a i feel like that we saw those like it's i think it's like an ice cream bar kind of a thing because you and i you know spent a fair amount of time going in and out of gas stations since we were you know driving the length of the country i feel like i would see those those ice cream bars in the little freezer display or whatever but she has a dog named spag bowl spag bowl i totally forgot what was is that spaghetti i think it's spaghetti

yeah i think it's like a generic term for like throwing together some quick pasta and serving it because my friend lives there my friend beverly and so we were talking we were obsessed with spag bowl because we saw it everywhere and then she and i talked on the phone i didn't get to see her when we were in the continent or in the in the continent when we were in the country but um on the continent uh but we talked for a while and she said i'm eating a spag bowl right now like it's just kind of like just it's what you do i regret that's a weird thing to say but i think

i regret the fact that i wasn't eating meat on that trip only because all i can remember from us being in australia is just eating bowls and bowls of french fries you yeah yeah that's all i did i know it wasn't like necessarily the most enriching culinary experience for you but i just if if you said what's the national food of australia be like a bowl of french fries maybe that was practically the only thing i ate everywhere we went because it was not a veg forward environment and so i just ended up eating fries everywhere i should have just said okay this week i'm just gonna eat kangaroo forget it no i should have just been like i'm gonna eat what what they're serving here you know because instead i had a very limited cultural experience there as far as food i don't the only meal i so i remember

you and i wolfing down some meal in a gas station um that was like a you know their equivalent of like a sandwich shop inside of a gas station might have been a subway type of thing but then we had their equivalent are you talking about the subway we went to was it a subway okay gotcha

okay but then it was but i want to just be clear i that was one of the greatest meals i've ever had because it tasted like a subway like they nailed the consistency of the subway flavor even in

australia that was a subway okay so i vaguely remember that i remember sitting there i don't remember what i was eating i think i was more excited about maybe some of the snacks that were available in this quickie mart um but the only meal i remember eating was like you and i went to some it wasn't like a fancy place but it was like a white tableclothy kind of place and was it in cuberpedy maybe do you remember that there was like oh yes sort of nice meal that we had but that's it how could i that was like an entire week there and i don't remember any of

the meals wasn't that in like a hotel or something yeah i think it was not our hotel but we went over to the like the the nice hotel in town or something yeah the above ground hotel actually that was pretty dope that we stayed at like our hotel was a cave yeah that was really cool but

it wasn't like a place that had like you know meal services or yeah but anyway it's just i'm just kind of blown away that i don't remember more maybe we did a lot of like eating in the car and stuff too because we were like on the on the road yeah we we had precious little time

to kind of dilly-dally or look up on Fodor's or Lonely Planet, like the place to go in Alice Springs. What do we have in Alice Springs other than a fight?

Oh, was that – okay, the Alice Springs I do remember, though, because you found a nice wine bar or something. Remember there were long tables that you would sort of share with other customers, and we sat outside. I don't remember that. I'm starting to remember that. Anyway, they might even have trees that were uplit now that I think about it.

Oh, you'd think I would remember that. Yeah, probably not. I'm probably I can't wait to up let the living tweet a lot of this property anyway so You actually discovered a kind of a brief interview or I don't know how brief it is But you discovered an interview that Rosie did one of the things that I liked about this initial piece that I read that was in the Washington Post was I Really think I like this family the Whiteman family like and when you watch the video First of all, I like that. They're making the kid clean the guinea pigs cage Like I'm I haven't written a whole story in my mind like it's a Saturday and it's like time to do some chores And you wanted to have this guinea pig maxi bond So you know the responsibility of having the guinea pig is to also like keep the guinea pigs cage clean I like that. I think that's some good, you know good responsibility to impress upon a young person I liked it that Rosie was doing that without apparently and I don't know what preceded the video but rosie didn't seem to be stamping about doing it like i can't believe i got to clean this she's like all right it's still summer in australia i'm out in the sun it's a saturday maxi bond's chilling in the grass i'm cleaning the thing like it just and then as soon as she grabs the snake and starts swinging him her parents come running out her dad comes running out i think quite heroically and grabs the snake away from her which is exactly what you hope a parent would do if they saw their kids swinging a possibly poisoned snake around.

Australia, man. Yeah, I have a lot to say on this. One thing I wanted to mention, though, unless I want to ask you this, because if I'm right about this, I think it's a dazzling detail that the listeners might be interested in. The, quote-unquote, cage for the pet is actually like a little dollhouse-looking thing, right? Is that the cage there? Isn't that so sweet? It's got various rooms and little windows. And you can tell she was kind of cleaning it out. And I think so she takes the guinea pig out of it and just sort of puts it in the yard. I guess they're not worried about it running away. She's keeping an eye on it while she's cleaning this thing. And I'm reading this article, and there's a quote in here from her saying she grabbed it without thinking. I'm swinging it around, hoping it would loosen the snake's grip because, like you said, the animal is not in the snake's mouth. It's wrapped itself around the pet. And so I'm reading this, and then I get to this quote. The snake dropped Maxibon, but, quote, only the tiniest bit. And then the snake tries to grab him again and grabs his little leg, Rosie said. and there was something about and grabs his little leg i'm like i stopped reading the post piece there and i'm like i gotta see if there is any audio of this girl telling you know us about her adventure so i found this the audio quality is not great um i'm not trying to neg news 7 australia but it's not we would never dream of it bear with us here so it looks like um i think you mentioned off air. luke and i hope it's okay to say it here unless you're building up to this but you had mentioned that um in one of the stories you read they wanted a quote from her but it said something

like she had already gone to bed for the evening yes uh that was one of the like very charming parts of the story and about this whole whiteman family uh that was in this piece i'm trying to scroll through quickly and by scroll through i mean look at the printout basically there was some point where they were trying to get in touch with uh with the family but i think because of the time difference or something they were like yeah sorry she's asleep right now yeah which also just was like nice to be like good good on you fam like yeah the kid's asleep we're not waking the kid up so that we can try to turn her into a media star and like leverage this into something it's like i don't know where like she grabbed a snake and also her dad's name is luke solid name very solid name but like yeah just the idea that they were they they strike me as a as a as a pretty kind of like they're all there by the way like the mom and dad come running out the like the dogs come running out too like it just it just seemed like a sweet family moment i'm i'm assuming a lot here yeah sure i don't know anything about the realities of this family but from what i can kind of divine from this article it just seems and i just like somehow i like the fact that they were like no she's asleep yes call back later and i want to hear from rosie here directly but i also

just want to mention and this is my own thing i feel very vulnerable as you know luke when i'm not like wearing um shoes and i don't even wear shorts that much really um and so like to see her out there she's like wearing shorts and just a t-shirt and like no shoes and she's swinging the snake around it just seems so vulnerable and then like you say the whole family comes running out you see the mom and the dad and i think a sibling and they're all wearing nobody is wearing shoes amongst them and there's something about like fighting a snake that seems terrible to me but fighting a snake without shoes on seems even worse like i feel so much more vulnerable you know my motto is to catch a snake become a snake think like a snake and be a snake and wear shoes and wear shoes and so just seeing them and the dad really i mean he grabs the snake and then even once it's on the ground and kind of away from everybody i'm just like okay now everybody go in the house and call 9-1-1 but he like then approaches the snake again and picks it up and throws it off of the property i'm just like dude just get give yourself some clear but that's

australia dude like you get everybody inside the house and you immediately list the property yes

Exactly. And it says snakeless house. No snakes here. What are you asking about? It's just lunch. All right. Can we hear a little bit of Rosie?

I sort of went out and I tried to grab Maxibon, but he ran a different direction. And then I heard this scream, and he was constantly screaming, and he was underneath a spade covering up the snake. so then when i lift the spade up i saw this snake and then it just wrapped around his neck and then i just got this instinct and i didn't even think three i was just like grab the snake grab the snake i grabbed it and then when i was swinging around i was like actually used to feel this smart idea because like he won't wrap around his neck and kill him but then when i was swinging

around like seven times she's got a big smile on her face while she not not like she's overly proud but just sort of like she's just like enjoying the cleverness of right she's yeah

of her victory it let go of my poor guinea pig and then it grabbed back onto his leg so then while i was swinging around dad comes out family comes out everyone's still in their pajamas majority even i was and um my dad just grabs the snake and sort of like shakes it around but sort of make the making the head sort of whack on the ground so he let go of my guinea pig The guinea pig runs straight back into the bushes where he was a bit of a dumb idea for the Hopefully now that you see a snake on our block again now

Is it just the accent or are they making kids more charming in Australia? Pretty dumb idea for a snake really a pretty dumb idea for a guinea pig really like definitely seems precocious I mean my goodness She also told the, I guess, Washington Post that Maxi Bonn is fine and has never had so many cuddles and treats in all of his life since the incident. I believe that. I mean, I just I think an all around heartwarming story and confirming our best and probably very, very inaccurate suspicions about the people of Australia, which is that they're a tougher, hardier breed than us here in the States.

Do we have any statements on that from any celebs?

No, not that I'm able to find celebrities who haven't been canceled Well, we have one that's the thing with those with that audio. I guess we have we have Like this one and Australia. That's not the one. How about this? We got this one is a wonderful island But the other one we're not so I don't think people are so keen on Johnny Depp anymore because of this

savage commercials well starting with did i get that right did i get so you did oh my god it's

an andrew w monday dude that's totally those you know what i was like just get it close i was like

don't stop just get it close and i think i might have gotten a hole in one on savage that's also

my love making technique um the thing i will say about that andrew is it's ultimately unfortunately a statement that indicates that those Sauvage commercials work in some way.

Yeah, no, it's true.

Because you can remember that and we both struggle to remember certain things on the show at times like, I don't know, Glenn Close or I guess it was Meryl Streep. It was Meryl Streep. The fact that I thought the fact that I misremembered Meryl Streep again, I misstreaped her is an indicator of and yet Sauvage, that we've got in our brain, that one we remember.

Although I remember, but I would never buy it. But I guess that's not the point of marketing.

When we were thanking the donors, I think didn't. Speaking of holes in my memory, SNL came up for a brief moment because we're talking about the what's up with that sketch. I don't have the audio in front of me, but did you hear anything about this kind of drama this week on SNL? Those I thought actually kind of fascinating.

No, like real drama. This is well, can I tell you one interesting thing about my perspective on SNL these days? I don't you know I don't have one well sort of I don't watch it when you play stuff for me usually it's funny sometimes it's from the archives or whatever there's tons of SNL I've missed but because of like comedy bang bang I follow a couple of people who are SNL cast members and so my experience of SNL is just a bunch of behind this like Egonowodham I believe is one woman I follow and um and so like her her vision on her job at SNL is like my perspective on SNL which is interesting. And when you just said there was drama, it's like, please don't have Ego be part

of this. No, it's, it's actually involving the, uh, the, the person who was hosting the show this week, a performer, a comedian named Ayo Etaberi. And, uh, what the thing that was funny was they announced Ayo Etaberi is going to be the host of SNL and the musical guest is going to be J-Lo. Now, the reason this was interesting, the internet figured out long, I'm sure after this been announced was because a o edda barry also uh i don't know some time ago was on like a podcast and i think it was actually a podcast of someone i kind of know named lacey mosley the podcast is called scam goddess and they were talking about scams and a o edda barry basically says yeah one of the biggest scams out there is that people think j-lo can sing oh and she she put forward this i guess i don't know if it's a conspiracy theory or if it's a known fact but it was the The idea that like J-Lo is actually not singing on a number of her records because J-Lo is, you know, while a popular and beautiful performer, maybe not the best singer, actual singer, singer. And that even like there's some kind of conspiracy that even J-Lo may not be in on where they like who will just replace her tracks on her albums and not tell her that part seems to get a little QAnon for me. But anyway, Ayo Etta Berry was on the record as kind of like dragging Jennifer Lopez. And again, I have a feeling that this just came out when someone was digging in them guts of the internet way after it had already been decided these are the two performers. So now you have kind of an awkward moment, right? If you've got the musical performer, and my guess would be Jennifer Lopez is not without ego. I don't I don't know her, but she seems like the kind of performer because she's had such a long and hugely successful career Doesn't strike me as the kind of performer who would necessarily take a lot of shit from anyone if that makes sense

Yeah, yeah, she's like I could very specific tier of yes celebrity

Echelon like if I'm if I'm if I'm part of JLo's team I might be saying yeah, we're not doing the show with Ayo Etta Berry who said she can't sing But I guess I guess that they you know, they didn't say that But what was interesting is one of the very first, I think one of the early sketches on the episode was a game show that was basically, I think, designed to be a sort of a mea culpa slash addressing the entire thing. The game show was called Why'd You Say It? And it's totally premised around the idea of people writing kind of mean things on the internet and regretting it.

That's a good way of handling this.

Do you want to hear a little bit of it?

Yeah, did you already see this? I'm looking at the embedded video, too. Okay, so it's worth it? Good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's pretty good.

And you know everyone's talking about it. It's Why'd You Say It with your host, Danny Donegan.

Kenan Thompson, of course. I was going to say. America's host.

Why'd You Say It? Tonight's contestants are Danny. Hey there. Tyler. What's up, world? And Annie. Hi, Danny. Not sure what this game is, but I'm excited to play.

That of course is literally AO at a berry

well the game is easy we show you a comment you left on instagram and ask you the simple question why'd you say it oh no thank you

that's mikey day just leaving just leaving the set as usual one contestant has left immediately

let's bring in our backup contestant jenny no thank you

excited to play what's this game uh you'll find out all right annie let's start with you do i have

to yes okay drew barrymore previously and famously posted this video on her instagram

whenever you can go out into the rain do not miss the opportunity

just a sweet woman enjoying the rain and you commented die

so why'd you say it um i meant die like i'm dying i love this vid so much I meant slay but I forgot the word. I saw someone being happy and wanted them to feel the exact opposite. That's close but it's not the full answer. I'm alone a lot. Some days I don't even interact with another human being and I start wondering am I dead? Is life even real? So I post comments that I think will get a response from someone because that's the only way to be certain I am alive that is correct I really didn't understand what this show was when I signed up for it then don't sign up for stuff I'd like to go home

please can't go home recently AOC posted a picture with the caption every American should be guaranteed health care. You commented, hot for Congress, but at a party mid. Still smashed, though. So the question is, why'd you say it?

I got hacked. Instagram got hacked. My ass typed it on a bumpy bus. I guess I thought she'd see my comment, and she'd comment back, and we'd get into a fight where it gets really heated, you know? First she slaps me, then she kisses me, and before you know it, we're having sex.

And your wife is here in the audience today. No, she's not. You can try to manifest all you want, but it doesn't change the reality that she is here.

You told me you don't have an Instagram.

You're not real, and none of this is happening to me.

Wow, sad. Moving on. Jenny, CNN posted a news story

of a new york factory i was hoping to get to the final let's just kind of jump ahead here to the final ao at a berry part because this is the part that is sort of the most i guess you would say

direct apology to j-lo okay okay we get it it's wrong to leave mean comments or post comments just for clout or run your mouth on a podcast and you don't consider the impact because you're 24 and I don't think I speak for everyone when I say from now on, we're going to be a lot more thoughtful about what we post online.

I love it. I love that. That filled me with joy.

Oh, that's sweet. Is what I would have said if two minutes ago you didn't post this comment on my personal Instagram. Under this photo of me and my three-year-old son, you wrote what disease he had.

I cannot change.

Boy, did they know that we were going to play the audio-only version of that on our podcast? I love the way he actually read, he transcribed what was on the screen.

No, actually, I was having that same. I think you and I tend to really zero in on the heart of the matter, Andrew. which is us and i was literally having the same thought i was like thank you keenan for describing what is in the photo so i don't have to keep pausing this this is like a very audio

friendly sketch do you um i was gonna start it i had a thought i literally are oh no i know i was gonna say do you think we should change our um like like i don't know does tb tell the slogan should it just be like a podcast where luke plays audio only versions of snl sketches from Throughout time to Andrew just so that he'll Enjoy them like that is becoming more and more What we do on the show and that's not a complaint

Has that already been Done by someone I do think that could be If someone's not already just Playing SNL sketches and then commenting Like kind of mystery science theater 2000ing them except not necessarily making fun of them but just like appreciating them um that could be that could be a spin-off for disposable media slash too beautiful to biz we'll look into it

here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's not from

a female boy andrew tell you what it's gotten uh colder again around here and i'm noticing that i know this sounds like i'm painting myself as some sort of podcast warrior but like my hands are my my hand is actually five percent numb from how cold it is in here even though i do have a little heater going and it's challenging sometimes to activate the audio sounds like that thing i just played i was like either that or i'm dealing with some neuropathy here so i just want you all to know that um some gave all and all gave some yeah i'm the true hero like rick is going to have a special section for you i need to i seriously need to i actually meant to last night but i was too tired when i got home i need to actually google like what the hell that song is really about and what the lyrics are because having watched it live with the music behind it i have literally no idea what he was trying to say you didn't do the running man to that one i did i decided it was probably just as well for me to kind of stand back from that hey i have an

important announcement to make i meant to do this at the top of the show in fact but it but it fits well here in this segment and I'm just going to assume that everybody listens to every moment of the show all the way through the SNL sketch to get to this part you know Luke it is February 5th Valentine's Day or Valentine's Day is just around the corner and Cheryl and Corvallis has been running the Valentine's card exchange program for a long time now Cheryl's got some stuff outside of her control this year and she can't run it but of course there are a million great tens out there and jamie our friend jamie is one of them down in mississippi so jamie is taking over the valentine's or valentine's day card exchange this year basically it's this if you want to send and receive valentine's cards with other tens you just have to sign up so that jamie can get your information and trade it with the people uh who want to receive cards just go to jamie's website sunstrokehouse.com sunstroke house we've been there before of course that's where jamie holds little house concerts from musicians traveling through.

I've completely dropped the ball on mentioning this, but on St. Patrick's Day, Jamie is having Slick Rick. No, he's having somebody really big.

It's got E's in the Cletus. It's not Cletus.

Meryl Streep?

No, you know who it's the band that does the song that everybody karaoke's to, and we were talking about them, and it sounds like Cletus, but it's not Cletus. Oh, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Weedus, Teenage Derp. Weedus, Weedus. Thank you. Yes, yes, yes. Nice. That was pretty close, dude. I knew exactly. I knew what it was. I just couldn't think of any of the words. But we got there.

Again. Yeah, Weedus is playing.

Savage I got on first try.

Yeah, Weedus is. That's not a great reflection. You can remember. Not Cletus. Yeah. You can remember Savage, but not. Weirdly, I wear a cologne called Cletus. I like how it's like, whereas in the Savage ad, like johnny depp is like in the desert burying a guitar or something and your cletus ad it's shot for shot but you're just on farmland just like burying i don't know some some like old

like a cow that keeled over or something from up here i can call my ma hey ma get off the dang roof that's a simpsons joke brandine so anyway uh yeah if you guys want to do this so yeah weedus is coming to sunstroke house and you can go to sunstrokehouse.com and fill out a little form for jamie and then you can get in on this year's valentine's day card exchange nice

i'm uh i'm now i've figured out what's going on with this slick rick 9 11 song it's actually a song by yasin bay formerly known as most deaf okay so the song is called auditorium and it's a yasin bay song featuring slick rick oh interesting one of the things that's kind of funny was slick rick last night was like going like y'all remember most deaf and i was going to becca yassine bay oh y'all remember most definitely i was like i think he means you see that's why he says remember you're right and so i think he was doing a yassine bay aka most deaf song that he's featured on i see okay that makes sense so and to be honest with you i still don't even know what the song is about but if if if most deaf is involved i am automatically feeling better about it like my my guess on kind of like what the what the general messages is just already sort of

gotten more optimistic i have a question for you i'm glad you brought it back around to the slick wreck because i had a question that isn't you know it wouldn't have even really fit into your narrative earlier but here at the end of the show for fun times i had a question about the performances

that you alluded to you said he did a lotty dotty which is also a song that i like i'm trying to remember though are there two versions when i think of lotty dotty i think of the the dougie fresh like oh no no not the snoop one but i mean the the lotty dotty that i know of by slick rick was famous because it was only dougie fresh like beatboxing hard and then and then slick rick rapping over top of it is that how they performed it did somebody just beatbox the

whole thing it wasn't dougie fresh was he no it was dj chaos andrew oh how is he how is he

Deese. Yeah, I mean, I guess he practices it. I mean, no, there's very few, very few Dougie

Fresh. You know, what's kind of weird is that I interviewed Dougie Fresh not that long ago in New York. Oh, yeah. And for the beatboxing story. And I was he was lovely to talk to and very like still very good at beatboxing and just like a really interesting person. But even though I sort of knew intellectually that like he had associated with Slick Rick and that they had done that Lottie Dottie song together, I didn't really put it together how impressed I should been to have talked to dougie fresh until i saw slick rick last night who wouldn't shut up about dougie fresh and like the videos that were running behind him involved dougie fresh and he kept shouting him out and like um but the way they set up lottie dotty before dj chaos started beatboxing was dj chaos said uh how many of y'all think that lottie dotty is a snoop dog song oh and as becca pointed out later uh nobody thought that and also nobody in there was going to be like i did from

the context you could even tell like you might have thought to yourself i thought it was a snoop dog right but you're not going to probably volunteer that to some no no no no no you could

if you could read any context clues you would know the answer was i don't think that so it was kind of a weird chat how many of you think snoop dog did lotty dotty and then everyone booed and he was like we love snoop dog we love snoop everybody cheered again literally like that's what happened And I felt like I wanted to really, like, sit DJ Chaos down and go, like, let me help you with consistent messaging.

Right. Exactly. Let's call you DJ Orderly. Yeah. Let's call you DJ Messaging.

Really, like, let's just you got to because right now it's like it's like you're kind of setting it up as like people think Snoop Dogg did this song. And then like, boo, Snoop Dogg stealing, stealing Slick Rick's Valor. like no no no we love snoop dogg and we'd like to continue collaborating with him on things because it's been very good for the slick rick brand i mean as big as lotty dotty was in its time probably snoop dogg kind of covering it and referencing it was a huge boon for that song yeah that's probably true people probably went back yeah and also the publishing rights oh yeah sure you know to the degree that like any of that publishing goes redounds back to slick rick like so you've got you feel like who thinks that snoop dog did this song boo no no no no no no it's no it's phones down nobody record that glasses on i i was i we love snoop dog and we very much appreciate being part of his media empire it's good for us but it was a really good show by the

the snoop dog version i don't know as well but i remember liking if i were to hear it i don't think

it's like a bad version of it no i mean uh let's see like la dee dottie i'm i'm trying to remember if he even does the whole song or if he just kind of works it into uh like you know what i mean like is it just kind of like is it part of a different song where he kind of like just does a verse from

it or does he do the entire thing standalone i don't know for sure but here's my vague memory and then you can confirm or deny. But I thought that he basically sort of did a cover of it where he changes up some of the lyrics. But it's not like one quick passing reference. I believe that that is the heart of the song. But I don't think it's like, I don't remember it being a lyrical, like straight up cover.

Right. That's the kind of thing that I was always thinking as well. Like I have a specific memory of Snoop Dogg kind of saying it in a song, but as part of a larger song as opposed to.

Well I think his song is Lottie Dottie And I think he keeps coming back to that theme I see But I think he's changed up the lyrics a little bit That's what I say I don't think it's just like one quick reference And one lyric And then he moves on from it Or one verse But anyway Probably the less said by me The better on all topics hip-hop

Don't, Andrew Don't make me write up a game show Where you have to basically apologize to Snoop Dogg Obliquely Because of what you said By the way, you think that that I mean, you feel like that was a pretty clever way to try to remedy that issue with J-Lo.

I mean, you did a really nice job of setting it up. I didn't know the context for any of that stuff. And I'm sorry, who was the celebrity guest? Ayo, Ed Berry. Ayo, I was unfamiliar with her, like, totally. And so, but was immediately sort of charmed by that tape, I heard.

No, she was like, I think she was actually, I've seen, like, three of the sketches, and she was, like, if she was on SNL, she'd be the best cast member on SNL. Yeah. Like, automatically. Nice. What I should look up... up is if we've got a response from J-Lo like what was that you know what was that like and also I don't want to be I don't want to be dismissive of the kind of emotional IQ of Jenny from the block I mean maybe J-Lo is a tremendously warm person who gets it that like people go on podcasts and they're just kind of they're vamping and they're tap dancing and maybe they sometimes say something they don't totally stand behind like j-lo may have been unbelievably uh showed unbelievable equanimity in this matter i don't know but it would be interesting to see like what her official if there was one response to the whole thing was well it's interesting because if before i looked

up ao's name like doing the kind of news search and so it came you know brought up that sketch you played in the background but when you do a google news news search on j-lo it sounds like she had something happen with her hair extensions during her performance oh yeah it was a malfunction yeah and so maybe she like pulled some i'm just reading headlines here and she like pulled them out mid-song or something but um anyway so it sort of sounds like that is what the that is what the news cycle has uh you know kind of grabbed on to right by the way i guess aioetta berry is in the

bear which is that's what i was just saying one of the many big one of the many big cultural things

that i've totally missed the boat on there's something we gotta well no we don't but there's something so weird psychologically about me like there are a million shows that i want to watch i mean for for going back two decades now things that i um that that i want to catch up on and they keep i don't know if you know this luke they keep on making great tv but there are certain shows television and i don't like i'm not i'm not i don't watch tv shows as a way of defining who i am in any way i don't even really watch that many tv shows i would argue you you don't watch you you ignore tv shows as a way of defining who no i don't think i do that like that's that's exactly what i wanted to push back against in most cases like okay i mean like what is like i watch like what is an example of that that you think i just don't watch that much tv but i don't it's not like i'm like i'm better than tv and no no you've never said that i don't think you think

that i think that there is i think i probably have it too what here's what i this is just my sense and i could be wrong i think that if i rapturously tell you you gotta watch a thing i think that it might feel like pressure a little bit to watch a thing and therefore like i sent you things and you gotta watch the curse although you then clarified you had watched it and it made your it made you cringe because it was the exact kind of a awkward moment you don't like so it's a bad example but i do feel like if here's what i'm trying to say if i really love a show i feel like what i need to do to try to entice you to watch it is not make you feel pressure from me to watch it because that seems by the way nobody likes pressure to do anything or to like something um so i i have to i want to figure out a good system where i don't like ruin shows that i'm excited about that i want us to talk about by by sending you a message which i do too much of the time where i'm like this will change every aspect of your life and then my guess would be that feels like well that's a high bar but i think what you're sort of missing here is

you're thinking like okay well andrew's watching other tv but he's not going to watch this one because i'm putting right pressure that's not the case i'm just not watching tv and again i'm not saying that in a snobby way i'm saying i'm wasting my time doing all kinds of other shit but it's not like well i'm watching this or i feel like i'll put on some you know audio or video spackle in the background like even when we talk about me watching old campy things usually it's just sort of on in the background like it's not like oh i'm watching these things but i only watch things that are not popular i mean i watch breaking bad the sopranos the wire i mean i know i'm going pretty far back your last of us like the white lotus like i was on all you know there's all kinds of cultural moments that i actually kind of enjoy watching along with people when i have the sort of attention span to do so for the most part like i don't think i'm the type of person who's like too many people have said white lotus is good so i'm out on it i really enjoyed that experience In fact, I think that was one that you specifically even said, you should watch The White Lotus. I think you were on season one before I even had heard of it or something. So anyway, I don't think that usually plays into it.

Having defended myself breathlessly here, can I say quite effectively, I'm picking up exactly what you're putting down there. And I think it's a very well-stated and understandable defense, which is like, I don't need to repeat what you said, but I just want to tell you that worked.

Yeah, I mean, because I do like there are I like some cultural moments like that. Having said that, I'm going to belie everything I just said, because there are one or two things where I've heard people get so excited about it that I actually don't want to watch it. And for some reason, the bear is one of those things. And I don't know exactly why that is, why that particular one. And I'm sure it's very good. I'm not trying to dismiss anybody else's viewing experience of that. But for most shows, I'm like, yeah, that sounds good. I'd like to get on that. That sounds good. I'd like to get on that. I even heard a great interview with the making with the guy behind the bear on I'm sure.

levitard or something along those lines and i really enjoyed it but i still for some reason i'm like of all of the shows like for some reason that is and i don't know why it is maybe because i didn't work in the industry and i sort of feel like for a long time it was like a lot of people were like yeah i get it because i worked in the industry and so maybe i'd feel like an outsider there was something about the way that show has hit me that i'm like i'm not interested in that

one and i don't know why i have the pretty much same exact response well no it's not that i'm not interested it's that it got so much hype from people just saying it's like it's it's so incredible that i then started to become nervous that it could never live up to my expectation of it and also because the parts of it that got a ton of attention were the like intense yes chef like moments in the kitchen it's like a boiler room yeah it's just a concept like it's like a it's like a pressure cooker how about me picking an example that's more relevant to a kitchen like instead of a boiler room yeah like I picked I picked a thing that we had pressure cooker right there and I went with boiler room but like it sometimes I think I respond kind of negatively or I'm far too judgy about things that are supposed to be high stakes in TV shows because when something rings a little bit false or melodramatic or something to me I really kind of get like that's a big turnoff for me so the idea that there's a show and I'm I'm guessing that this is not the entirety of the show the chef but if you ask me what it's about i would say every every minute of every episode for the whole season is just people in a kitchen screaming yes chef as things are falling apart in the restaurant and like a that seems stressful for me to watch and b i'm like yeah but then they're going to also do something that just like is totally kind of not doesn't feel realistic to me and you know me i'm a very very simplistic linear watcher of like of of of television in a way that if somebody does one thing that feels like it wouldn't this is why i can't get back on the train of uh true detective polar express um because it's like if the two things happen that are that are that are that don't ring true for me i get like turned off i get the ick as people now say um so anyway but i hear what you're saying and i i want you to know that you have actually i'm being serious here 83 minutes into the show you have changed my perception of of what are your and my relationship is around television like it's not that me saying to you dude you gotta watch this is a turn off it's that you're just not watching a ton of that tv in your life and if it does fall into your life at the right moment you'll watch it and if it doesn't you won't but it's not about the pressure from me it's just about the rhythm of your life in that and i actually really identify with that there will just be phases of my life where i feel like i'm watching a lot of the like prestige television and then there'll be times where i like literally cannot make myself sit down for an hour and look at something like a tick tock is the longest amount of attention i can commit to anything which is not a great comment on where my kind of brain and attention span is and also i mean this is

kind of embarrassing but like i am and we'll see what baseball season does sometimes baseball season sort of relieves me of this a little bit but like it's a weird how I do feel like I need to listen to the levitard show or I'm gonna miss something which is weird not like miss something that I can talk about to you or other friends like it's a very solo journey to me but like my whole relaxing at the end of the day thing be you know usually begins with me maybe like puttering around the kitchen cleaning up whatever needs to be cleaned up from the day listening to that podcast but then i don't want to turn the podcast off so i come downstairs and i play darts and really darts is just something that i do while like really the listening of the podcast is like what's driving that and there's just so much goddamn content and i get i get mad at so much of it i mean i mean my relationship to that show has got to be like the relationship a lot of our listeners have to our show because like i'm listening to this thing i'm getting mad i'm like dan i genevieve overheard me yelling the other day i'm like dan have you ever been right about anything the other day like I get so mad and like I think like hearing Dan talk about comedy is one of my least favorite things in the world but I still sometimes I'm sometimes I skip it that's the one thing I don't write letters into the show and say I think you should stop talking about this topic because I don't like it I have learned how to use the fast forward button but it is just so funny how I tell myself yeah I want to get out of the habit of listening to this thing but then at the end of the day I'm just kind of like well I'll just see what they did in the local hour and it's so I mean it is almost it's it sounds like an

almost like one-to-one for the experience of people listening to this show they don't know why they do it it's some kind of it's it's it scratches some weird itch it's now wormed its way into folks's kind of like daily life at some point it's probably like the thing you put on when this you're at this part of your day and then you kind of check in with it and it's it this i mean we benefit greatly from this we wouldn't have a show if not for this phenomenon but like you know it's kind of what like um the old art bell radio has now become for me like at my house are you still on that oh dude

dreamland it's like there's just an hour of the night when i'm like doing the dishes and getting the coffee ready for the next day i i can't do it when my dad's i mean i could but like we're busy watching shetland but like when when it's just me here and it's a certain point in the evening it is just there is something that makes me so happy about doing the dishes getting ready for the next day and listening to a just certifiably bat shit person talk to art bell about something Like, and I love it. And I, I like, I like worry that we're going to run out of old art bell episodes, which is a good, is a yes. And no, it is a finite resource. It is finite, but my God, the archives go deep. Right. But it's just, it's kind of funny to me to think about you like listening to lebitard with this kind of relationship, somewhat parasocial, I guess, and getting kind of like being mad at them, but also kind of needing to hear them, but also being like, why am I listening to this? me doing some version of that with like Art Bell, Dreamland, kind of being like, this is ridiculous what's being said, but I also just love hearing it. And then the fact that our job is to create that content for this whole other group of people. It is such a, I'm going to go with Mobius instead of Human Centipede. I'm going to go with the more positive of the things that seem to just go endlessly.

Well, I was going to say, you know, not to be corny, but I feel very lucky as we describe this. It's because you and I like a certain kind of radio, we'll just say radio, right? You and I have always in our lives and we arrived at this place in various, you know, in different ways. But, like, you and I get to make the kind of radio that we love and that's really cool. The one thing that I think is interesting or maybe that I maybe can't quite relate to, like, you know that I love my old archive radio stuff too, right? Like, I listen to, like, the 1940s stories or whatever. The Expense Report Johnny. Exactly. I haven't listened to that in a while. But the thing about the thing about Levitard, I used to be this way very much with on the media way back in the day is like when because it's new, like things will happen that I feel like I want to check in on the gang, see what they say about it. So, like, you know, if something happened literally, you know, media related when I was really on my on the media jag years ago, like I could not wait for Thursday or Friday to drop so that I could hear what Brooke and then Bob have to say about this thing. And that's the thing with the Levitard show, too. Like right now, it's especially like before the Super Bowl in this two week span, like it's just basketball. So it's sort of just washes over me more. It's like amazing how many basketball players names I know, but I would not be able to tell you what teams they're on just because it's just sort of like it's just going into my subconscious by constantly listening to that show. But during the football season, like anything that happens football related, I want to hear the show the next day to see what their take on it is.

Well, speaking of On the Media, Andrew, last night I was listening to it on my telephone as I was driving home from Rick the Rula, and guess who is a featured guest on On the Media, bringing everything in this world that we love, and let's be honest, idolized together.

Okay, I'm going to make a real guest here, and I do not know, but is it Mina?

No, that would be a pretty good one. It's somebody who is Mina Keim status in my life. The guy is a nut bar. Oh, a nut bar. It's like coming up, Chris Hayes on why we should talk about Trump more.

Oh, that's interesting. Oh, and I agree with that too. So good. That's interesting. And whenever they play news montages and I hear Chris in there, I'm like, I know that guy. I know him. Santa?

I know him. Yeah, no, it's great. He's like it's it's and it's a per always. It's a very It's a very informative conversation. He makes a really compelling point, which is Briefly that I'll just make in a less compelling way here that Even though there's a real fatigue around the coverage of Donald Trump and we need to be careful about just handing a microphone to him and letting him spread falsehoods There's all it's there's also it actually benefits him politically when he's operating kind of out of outside of the public eye Like taking him off of Twitter is really good for him because when he's on Twitter He's kind of showing his whole ass and if you put him on truth social you're letting him I believe Chris described it quite perfectly as you're letting him scream into a pillow Mm-hmm and while he's screaming into the pillow We're not noting that he is essentially threatening judges and their staff, you know and prosecutors and he's doing all kinds of stuff That's that's just truly dangerous and that would be getting more coverage now Sometimes that coverage just feels like well to what end but like he's he's he's doing a lot of stuff That is actually does kind of move the needle on his popularity But he's doing it now largely out of the the larger public view and he benefits Essentially the less that Donald Trump is getting talked about the more popular he is which is

counterintuitive as a thought but it kind of works for him and the more that he's in the public eye the in fact all his cases this doesn't come up in the chris thing but it's something else which is all of his legal cases to the degree that they've kept him slightly under wraps like off the campaign trail or whatever that's all a win for him like if he just shuts up he just he starts gaining in popularity by just shutting the f up and so if if if the media covers him and covers the things he's saying it does really actually kind of sound you know sound the alarm of what he's really up to and sort of hurt his his kind of his political like you know future

yeah i need to listen to that and i totally agree because and i'm trying to figure out if the person who first pointed this out to me in some way was chris like maybe on on blue sky that's that my

kind of twitter well he also apparently wrote a rolling stone article about this which is yeah That explains, if you want to just a quick kind of status check on us, like in the intro, they're like, as he talked about in Rolling Stone recently, can you imagine if I talked about something in Rolling Stone? You'd never hear the fucking end of it.

I listened to a Rolling Stones record the other day that my friend gave me. And you won't shut up about it. I think we're swimming in the same waters, Chris. But I was going to say, I do agree with that. And it probably was Chris because he, Chris has a way of ringing these bells ahead of time, right? And I remember he was sort of our he when when the pandemic, as people were talking about the pandemic, I think Chris was one of the people that you and I were like, wait, wait, Chris is taking this really seriously, like really early on, like we should pay attention to this. And so, yeah, that idea that we needed a reprieve, I feel like me and people who have the same sort of emotional political fortitude that I have or lack thereof, needed a reprieve from all of the pure, unadulterated Trumpiness for four years. And it was nice. But leading up to the primaries and the months like where Donald Trump was holding rallies saying absolutely batshit stuff, but was sort of doing it just in the vacuum of his own hardcore supporters. It's sort of it could normalize it for the rest of Republican voters who sort of forgot how batshit he is and getting batshit here, by the way.

yes exactly and i'll be honest like this is there's there are plenty of things that like because i don't follow him on truth social i mean that's like your chris does i don't know if he follows him but he goes and looks at it because that's his job to kind of know what's going on with the dude and it's like that you want to talk about a spelunking mission i don't want to be a part of yeah right it's like what what sort of what sort of masochist are you if you go want to follow what this guy is saying so of course most of us just kind of aver our gaze um from it but then we don't really know what's going on with him and that's where the media kind of comes in actually is to say well actually over here is what is being said and here's why that's something we should all be talking about as opposed to just kind of ignoring it and letting it fester the way it is currently

yeah yeah i been doing a lot of future tripping lately luke i need to like oh you know just we can't we can't do it again i don't i can't do it again luke i can't do four more years of that

i know i already i honestly like i feel like a both a low point for us as people and a high point for our show as far as its importance was the day after he won but we've already kind of used that we've played that card so we don't need to play it again and in fact it won't be as it won't be as important like let's not have to be the emotional support for thousands of people when we're all in collective mourning i don't know i actually nobody needs me to weigh in on politics but i dare i say it i i think there are i think there are some reasons to to feel optimistic which i want to elaborate on here because they're it's late and they're poorly sourced and the last time i said that i think donald trump won so should probably i'll read

I'll read your piece in Rolling Stone.

Thank you. Please do. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. We are going to be back here tomorrow, unless On the Media needs me to jump on and do a segment, in which case Andrew will handle things from here. Thanks for listening. We'll see you Tuesday. In the meantime, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all. Take it away.

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