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sir. All right. Hello, good morning and welcome everyone to a Thursday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. This whole conversation bothers me. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. It is our turn. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia where it is another weirdly cold day for april like i've got a sweater on a jacket i'm running one heater but only one because yesterday when i was running two heaters i i shorted out the entire system which includes the internet connection which it turns out is very important for doing this podcast so um we have exactly the right amount of um of current being requested from the electrical system here in the madrona hill studio and we're ready to bring episode 4177 in a collector series let the fun begin exciting thursday we have a fun little announcement to make about something the show is becoming involved with things are going to start happening to me now and you know we're not big april fool's heads around here but it was April Fool's Day a few days ago, and there was actually an interesting, I guess you could say April Fool's joke, but it raised some larger questions about how we exist in the sort of built space of our cities. And we'll talk about that. I have been pitying fools for 28 years, Bill, and it's never personal. How's that for sucking any teeny amount of joy and humor out of an April Fool's story. It really gets into a question about civics and the built environment. I'm trying to do my best 99% invisible impression. Unfortunately, the entertainment value of this intro is, it turns out, 99% invisible. We do know there's going to be one good thing today on the show, and that is, of course, the Blur's Day messages, because it's a Thursday. So we'll do those. Oh, and this will be great, too. We're going to talk to this guy. Longest-joining co-bro of the show, may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Hey, where's the freaking gabagoo? He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. Sorry I was a little bit distracted there during your intro. I was messing around with the filters and temperature of my video screen, which makes no difference because nobody's ever even going to see this. But I'm sitting here looking at you and looking at me on this Zoom-style screen, and it was It's just driving me crazy that I looked a little bit like a ghost. So hopefully now I look like a slightly warmer ghost, a more cozy, inviting ghost.

Now, listen, what I see on my little screen here is I'm told not what the final product is. But as far as what I see on my screen, you and the room looked, well, now you're changing it. Yeah, I'm messing around. Now you look like maybe a character. Initially, you look like kind of a sunburned ghost.

A sunburned ghost, okay.

Because they're maybe a little heavy on the reds. And then for a minute, you looked almost like you were in a 1950s movie. Like that's then.

Yeah, okay. This is good.

Maybe more 19, like early days of color, but when they didn't have it fully figured out.

Sure, right. Yeah.

Or maybe even that era when they used to go in and colorize movies. I know. Where they would take a black and white film and just paint, I believe, every single frame of the movie.

Do you know, I remember growing up and sort of like hearing about that technology or even seeing movies on TV that were clearly using that. And it was sort of, I felt like it was somewhat like frowned upon maybe by my parents' generation or it seemed like kind of fakey or something. And it was fakey, but it was also theater. And there's something about it that like now when I see those movies come on TV, it's like, it's.

its own art form now like don't compare it to anything else it's actually beautiful in its own

way yeah that's a very very good way to describe it because somehow you know i'm obviously i grew up color tv was the standard at that point but i grew up with this very negative association around something being quote unquote colorized like oh that version that's where they did the thing where they went back in and tried to make a black and white movie a color movie but you're right that is like a very very intense project to go through and take every single frame of the film and try to add some sort of color to it we should appreciate what those hard-working people were doing even if it didn't look exactly like what they were trying to achieve like you said it's its own art form and also why is it that the parents why is it that the generation before us andrew was just walking around spending so much time thinking about how colorization was a bad idea how did i get that bad mouthing colorization in seattle and you were out there in ohio getting the same our parents as far as i know did not collaborate on this opinion they just both

arrived at it naturally yeah it just sort of seemed like it was a cultural thing sort of like when a movie was overdubbed instead of having the captions on the bottom you know if it was if somebody's speaking in a in a different language so yeah i don't i don't know it never even occurred to me by the way that the way they accomplished that was by literally painting every frame although

I don't actually – I don't know if that's the case, but I don't know what the alternative would be.

There's no automation of that, is there? No. They didn't just put the AI robots on that? I don't think so. You know what I'm thinking about doing is I'm thinking about going through and colorizing Nebraska. Like, I like that movie. I mean, I think that that is part of it, right?

Oh, I thought you meant the state.

But, like, obviously that is a beautiful black and white film that was made in the age of color technology. I mean, it was made in the 2014 or something. But maybe that's part of it, too, is like if you grew up loving a movie and it happened to be a black and white movie, but then they're like, hey, now it's in color. You would sort of be like, well, that's just hokey. It didn't need to be it didn't need to be, quote unquote, updated in that way.

And then you had what's his name? Ted Turner, who was just going through the vaults, right, of the Turner Classic Library. and there was a period of time I believe where Ted Turner was introducing old films on television and the only reason I know about this is because I believe there was a sketch on In Living Color I don't think I knew what a Ted Turner was or what a Turner classic film was but there was a sketch on In Living Color when I was a kid where Jim Carrey pretended to be Ted Turner and what I remember from it is at some point he flossed with a section of film like from the archive Like this was a thing that Jim Carrey did pretending to be Ted Turner. And to this day, that's mostly how I think of Ted Turner flossing with some old film as portrayed by Jim Carrey.

I'm trying. I wish I could think of another example. There are so many things in my life, though, that I learned about from a parody of it or or like even an SNL sketch. Like I think Barbara Walters.

Like Fire Marshal Bill.

Exactly.

I can't even think of the real Fire Marshal Bill.

I mean, the rich legacy of Fire Marshal Bill, I had no idea. I just thought it was a character on In Living Color. And then you kind of you learn about like what kind of a hero he was. I didn't watch In Living Color earlier. That came up on the show recently. So thank you for going with Fire Marshal Bill. That's like the only. No, that's not true. Who are the guys who had the blue light special or the Kmart commentator guys on In Living Color? Never mind.

Kmart commentator guys in Living Color.

Am I thinking of a different show? I'm digging myself a hole. I'm getting hot under the collar here. Literally, my face is flushing. I think that I may be confusing.

Is that just the filter, or is that really happening?

That is the booze. Honestly.

Oh, that's why you're a sunburned ghost.

That's right.

You've been drinking again.

In the sun, yeah.

Well, maybe this is a good time for us to pivot, Andrew, and talk about something that we're very excited about here on the show, which is that, well, let me play my little special montage that I've put together here.

Attention, everybody!

As you know, we're huge fans of baseball around here at TBTL.

The crack of the mat, the roar of the crowd. That's right, baseball's back.

And the Seattle Mariners, it still sort of remains to be seen how pleasant a season of watching them is going to be. But I have great news, TBTL listeners.

Have you ever had a dream that you could do anything?

TBTL is officially getting into the sports management slash ownership business.

The vibes will be the illest, and the jams, gnarly.

And by sports management slash ownership, I just mean, we are sponsoring a little league team in Portland this year.

There's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos. It will be a home run. And so that'll make it a four nothing ballgame.

That's right. The TBTL junior sluggers of Portland's Parkside Little League. There's a co-ed eight and nine year old team will be taking the field this Saturday in East Portland. for their first game of the season and they will be wearing jerseys that say tbtl and i don't think there's anything associated with the show andrew that's ever made me happier oh that's great you've

been talking about this for a long time now i don't know if you've ever even said this on the show but for years now you have been saying man someday wouldn't it be great if we could just like sponsor a little league team and we got closer and closer to doing and then this year is the year And we have we have the junior sluggers down there in Portland representing, by the way, when is the trade deadline? How how involved are we getting in like the 40 man roster in the front office stuff?

I think pretty involved. As soon as as soon as I learn the names of any of the players, we can start to do some assessments. And I yeah, you know, I because I played Little League Baseball and I just love it as a as a as a tradition and institution and kind of part of, you know, the life of being a kid. I, I was always like, gosh, wouldn't it be hilarious and amazing if we could just like, are there any other podcasts that are sponsoring Little League teams? And then I thought, well, that has to be financially out of our means. And then I thought about some of the businesses that sponsored Little League teams in my Little League growing up. And they were, let's just say, you know, humble operations, pretty, you know, fairly mom and pop operations, you know, like Handy Andy comes to mind. the tool rental place on Aurora where I rented a truck recently and you know Garber filters and you know the Lions Club things like that and then I thought well maybe this could be something that TBTL could do as well and so we looked into it and sure enough basically what happened was I was at a like a holiday get together with some folks from Becca's work and I was chatting with a guy named ben who she works i think technically for and we were talking he was excited about uh coaching little league this year and i said well uh wouldn't you know uh we're in the market for sponsoring a little league team and uh he was up for it and the league was up for it and now on saturday there will be a bunch of eight and nine year olds running around on the field wearing a jersey that causes most of the assembled audience to go what the hell is that there's

something about the letters who's the goal too that are also very forgettable i've realized when somebody says what's the podcast tbtl oh what is tdld like there's just something ldr yeah that was a podcast um so yeah i'm sure that it'll just lead to the thing is i don't even think it's going to lead to widespread confusion i think it's going to lead to a moment of confusion before

dismissal you know what i mean which is oh yeah which honestly is very fitting based on the history of the show that's mostly how it goes with this thing but um no i like i'm going to be in iowa this weekend uh be at mission creek festival in ames doing uh live wire if you're in iowa and want to come say hi but um but uh as soon as i'm back in the greater portland area and there is a game i am going to be there and my goal while i'm watching the game is to not come off as superior or, you know, I don't want to be the Jerry Jones of the TVTL Junior Sluggers. Oh, that's where you know you're different. Wow. You know, I don't want any of the parents to think that because our podcast is, you know, the sponsor of the team that I think we have any extra say in the matter or that we can, you know, basically like pinch hit or decide any. I don't want to make it more complicated for the coaches and parents just because I'm there. I want them to treat me like a normal podcaster.

See, first of all, that's where you and I are different. I plan on showing up.

You plan to be very involved.

I plan on being, first of all, dressing. I bought myself a white suit. I will be showing up in a white suit. I will be communicating directly with the coaches, directly throughout the game.

I assume eating some sort of popcorn that you brought yourself for some reason.

For some reason, I have special popcorn, certainly. And I do plan on getting pretty involved. And I'll tell you what. this is one rule and you and I have not talked about this and I was going to say I hope it's okay with you but in a certain way it's like this is I feel like this is sort of my moment to shine to really take the reins of something here I am going to institute a kind of a classic rule of one of my favorite basic

teams and that is no facial hair no facial hair on the tbtl you're taking kind of a steinbrenner approach to uh how how old are these kids like eight nine years old eight nine okay i believe

it's it's kid pitch unless you would like it to be coach pitch which means you could either have another kid your age pitching to you or if that's something that is intimidating as it was for me i will mention when i played little league um or you'd just rather have a coach pitch to you can also have that um but um but there's an opportunity for me to be on the mound is what you're saying

what i'm hearing too that i can go out on the mound in my white suit and and pitch i do i do

think that that might be crossing some sort of red line for the parents okay you show up in your white suit with your popcorn for some reason i am picturing you as mr fish odor from bob's burger yeah maybe that's where you're maybe so i patch the whole thing oh okay i'll get an eye patch sure uh doesn't he have an eye patch on the show somebody does yeah i can't remember if it's him yeah but so you yeah i think you actually put subbing yourself into the game considering it's eight and nine year old kids playing i think that might even though we're sponsoring the team and even though we will apparently have a banner in the outfield which also like that's heck yeah yeah That is so exciting. Even despite all of that, I don't think you're going to be allowed to pitch.

Okay, well, hear me out. Let's just say that there's like, you know, our shortstop gets a tummy ache.

You're saying if it's a high leverage situation.

We're deep in the season. We're making a playoff run and our shortstop gets a tummy ache. Do you think there's any chance I can go out there, grab a glove, grab a mitt, and go out there and play shortstop?

Well, let me just put this into context for you. I was texting with Ben last night, Andrew, and I was asking about some of the details. I said, I'd love to mention it on the show that the TBTL Junior Sluggers are taking the field this weekend. And I said, any other details you can give me? And he said, I'm not really sure who we're playing on Saturday. All I have is the coach's name.

We're playing the Frank Smiths.

smiths so i i guess i'm just i want to manage your expectations about the team and about the season it may not be it we may not be able to enact your dreams of being a sort of a jerry depoto type i don't know maybe the kind of league where there is occasionally another team you're playing sometimes you just scrimmage sometimes you just have an inter squad game uh-huh um if the you know if the frank smiths don't show up yeah i think this is you know look this is the first time tbtl has gotten into sports management and i think it was good for us to start out in a kind of a pretty casual environment fairly low stakes and then kind of work our way up so next year we'll move up to you know probably 12 13 year old little league teams and then probably try to acquire the portland pickles and then at some point the mariners and then abolish root sports see this is where i'm going with it this is all i got a text by the way from my mom yesterday that was uh was was quite great she has been listening to tbtl because her and my dad are out like house sitting for my sister liz oh okay and um and my sister liz and her family they live on this very beautiful but very rural property and they've got a couple of dogs and they're in dc on spring break visiting um some of our nation's uh capitals uh you know more interesting historical footnotes and the like so my mom and dad are out there uh in in on in the sort of columbia gorge where they live and my mom said hey darling i'm listening to tbtl out here at the brooks because it's a bit rainy and i'm kind of climbing the walls um uh but she said a couple of things that i want to point out i have become a dog lover with these two wonderful delightful creatures out here Cora and Ozette those are my sister and her family's dogs now one time literally 20 years ago I said to my mom I don't think you like dogs and oh right has absolutely haunted her haunt I mean the irony is that the the audio drop we play from my mother on the show is her saying uh what up dog so I'll say what's up dog her see what happened was long after I moved out of the house because we weren't we were in a rental we weren't allowed to have pets or at least they told me we weren't allowed to have pets which looking back on i think parents say to kids because i don't want to deal with it um so but when you know when they moved out to silverdale and they bought a place and they had a little bit of you know say in the matter they they adopted a series of dogs that would kind of come into their life through like odd circumstances my parents were really on the kind of leading edge of the who rescued who kind of movement like that my parents

not the kind of people that are going to be you know looking through like uh the little nickel for labradoodle puppies it's more like here's a 14 year old dog that someone's neighbor didn't want and it's just been kind of hanging around the house so let's just go ahead and integrate it into the family structure i like so they had yeah you know i mean it's a good it's a very good way to be in the world um but they had a dog they actually had a dog named rudy they had a dog named Suki. And these dogs were, they were cute. They were kind of misfits, but my dad loved these dogs. My dad is a, you know, is a, is a big dog lover. My mom was never a big fan. Also, I had a series of, well, really mostly one dog that was terrible named Flea. Flea was a boxer, um, and a very, uh, a very active dog. And I think Flea used to just jump on my mom. I think gave my mom a bad feeling overall. So somewhere in all of that, probably when we used to drink more at family events i said to my mom i don't think you like dogs and i'm not kidding you like to this day as of yesterday she is still wanting to clarify with me that she in fact likes dogs now uh-huh so she loves she says these delightful creatures cora and ozette who would have thunk it she said yesterday was a day from heaven here we took nature walks with the dogs and basked in the sunshine reading thinking and even not thinking well she's really channeling

wait is that really did she write that are you oh that's so funny no no no she said thinking and

even not thinking and then a winking emoji um i like that also honestly like i'm not just i and

i'm not just saying that because now i realize your mom might be listening to this um like honestly i i would doubt it i think that was a passing fancy yesterday good honestly i whatever i don't want to get into it i i have deep deep regrets about some storytelling on yesterday's show that i'm really hoping that your parents don't listen to um but what it was yours it was your storytelling i just

thought you really turned into terrible performance yes we need to definitely check the downloads on yesterday's program a week from now to see how much of a factor uh us on a show saying i hope nobody listens to yesterday's show there were some regrettable things i feel like if i was a listener

i'd be like what was he talking about no it was just me talking about my personal health stuff And it was just like, it was like both too personal and also went nowhere. It's just like, I just was kind of ruining that all day. I literally looked into seeing if I could cut the whole chunk out like we joked about. Oh, buddy. And then there was like no way to do it.

I did not feel that way about the talk.

Well, whatever. So all of that is to say, I hope your parents don't listen to yesterday's show. But no, I actually, it is funny because it is so much like that Jennifer Coolidge. We can talk or not talk about it. Honestly, in this case, I think I know what your mom is conveying there. And it's something that I think that you really appreciate, too, like those moments where you can, you know, sit and not think as you look out on the Columbia River or what have you.

Yes, exactly. So here's what my mom wrapped up with. She said, also, I'm listening to yesterday's show and I am so sorry for your Root TV deal. Here's the thing. We got Root for the first time ever. And I'm super stoked about that for watching the M's because last year I could only use the play by play on my phone, which is pretty lame. I hope you get it squared away with Comcast. all caps, hello, two exclamation points. And then she said, that's all for now. Love you, heart emoji. And then a few minutes go by, and then she sends me, she must have been watching the game yesterday. She just sends me another message. After all, the M's aren't really worth watching as of late.

Yeah, well, that's definitely true. It sounds like yesterday was just, and I didn't really watch it live. I didn't even know they were playing.

I thought our friend Andy was having an emotional crisis that was unrelated to something on the field. And then I learned, oh, no, they were playing as he was texting the sports team.

I mean, even saying they were playing is a is a compliment to what happened yesterday. And I was actually we were in a meeting, you, me and our boss, John Sklaroff, were in a meeting during a lot of that. And thankfully, so the headline from our friend Danny O'Neill in his newsletter today about like kind of Pacific Northwest sports is let us never speak of this again. So whatever histrionics you saw from our friend Durs on the text chain, I can tell you in this case, he was not overreacting. It sounds like it was literally, if it weren't so early in the season, a low point in Mariners baseball. And there have been a few. But having said all of that, first of all, I think you should continue to tell your mom that you think she doesn't like dogs because I want to see to what length she'll go. I want to see if she'll get a tattoo of a dog. I want to see if she changes her name to Sue Dog. Like, I want to see her.

I mean, that's what we call her, just informally within the family.

Exactly. So we can do that. And I don't remember what else I was going to say.

Well, I was going to say, as the Mariners continue to deteriorate in front of our very eyes, the TBTL Junior Sluggers are materializing before our very eyes.

And that's exciting. I feel like we have a fallback plan. We have a new team to root for as a group, as a community of TBTL10s. Everybody sends some good thoughts, good wishes, and energetic zeal in the direction of East Portland this Saturday as the Junior Sluggers take the field to play team, checks notes, TBD. TBD.

All my goofing around, I don't have a white suit. You knew that. I wasn't going to buy myself a white suit all my goofing around the side pay to see you in one this is this is really exciting this is really fun I want to you know when possible let the listeners know when you know what how our team did over the weekend I don't know how many games are played if they're usually weekend games or if there's weekday games as well but I'll try to keep people and we will try to keep people up to date as to how they are doing I just want to get

one of those jerseys like a tbtl little league jersey do you think i can fit into a child's oh you want a child's version well no i mean i just want one from the team like i i'm i i'm being very genuine when i say when we finally go when i'm in town and the the team is playing and we go to the to the field probably becca and i and sit there and watch these these kids take the field The idea that they are going to be wearing jerseys that represent our podcast delights me to no end. It really is something that I've been sort of thinking about for years and years and years. Like, just how funny would that be as a sponsorship opportunity? I think it will lead to absolutely zero additional downloads. Like, this is in classic TBTL form. This is an attempt at promotion that has almost no chance of working in terms of promoting the show. Other than I thought it would be funny. And also I just, I love the idea of like a group of kids gathered around in these jerseys, taking their team photo, like you'd see in a pizza parlor as you're walking through. So the fact that we, that we now have that, if I find out that like, you know, I don't know who, what's another leading podcast or canceling so many podcasts and by canceling, I mean, unfund defunding so many podcasts right now. I don't even know who's left, but I was going to say, if I find out that some other podcast has beat us to this idea, I'll be pretty devastated. But again, we may be the last podcast in existence soon, Andrew, because you see BEZ just slashed a bunch of its jobs, including some of its podcast division. And, you know, our old folks at APM, our old bosses, that whole institution has kind of been changing in terms of its output, its output being reduced to almost nil. Like, I do feel like we and the tens of listeners will just be the last thing left in this space known as podcasting.

You know, I don't want to go into a full fundraising pitch right now, but of course we will be. I think just here in a couple of months here, you know, starting our way for this baseball team. Exactly. Starting our second independent fundraiser, the second TV telethon since we started our own business. And I saw some listeners passing around an article that was written up in a public broadcasting, you know, trade publication on social media. Some news that I think we had heard about a little bit before it was written up about, like, you know, some of our old colleagues, a lot of our old colleagues have been laid off at American Public Media. And, you know, when we left, we were kind of taking a big risk to start this company. But, I mean, I think it is clear that we made the right decision to do so. but you also look you mentioned wbez you look at uh wbur is really struggling with their podcast

division like a lot of nyc anything with a w yeah just avoid it at all costs just get west of the

mississippi yeah you might be all right kjzz is is popping off thriving anyway thriving um no but i mean it is just like a really scary time and it makes me both like it makes me feel three things number one very glad that we made the decision that we made in the move that we made even more glad number two and even more appreciative that our listeners have been able to support this despite my performance on yesterday's show that nobody listened to yesterday's show just donate and don't listen mom that's what we're asking sue dog don't do it i know you're bored out there in willard but don't do it and thirdly it makes me you know like somewhat apprehensive about the industry and what we're doing so anyway as we go forward this next this next fun drive is going to

be a very important one for us too i think well that's why it's i mean that's why it's the timing is so auspicious that we've we're trans we're transitioning into sports on no that is that is

true there is a lot of if i understand it correctly there is a lot of money in just the tv rights

yeah oh my god parkside little league and what if we become what we what if we become exactly what

we're trying to change.

in the world what if like in order to watch these games parents like we have some sort of blackout on local broadcasts it starts with we go we start calling the

game so we start out doing play-by-play yeah at the the TBTL junior sluggers games then eventually somebody sets up a camera we start actually broadcasting the games then we start our own network yep yep then we start network we start charging and basically what happens is we're not making enough money off the network so we can no longer get the best the absolute best players for the junior sluggers right exactly we just have stared into the void so long that the void is now staring back as we say

um also i want to start putting uh advertising patches on the sleeves of the jerseys obviously that's okay i mean there were i feel like there's a lot of money making opportunities that we're

watching pass us by exactly we're leaving so much revenue on the table so yeah uh we'll just It's heads up to the parents of the little sluggers. We are going to be. By the way, their real name is the Blue Eagles, but I refuse to formally recognize that as the name.

I was going to ask about that. I wasn't sure if they're just officially like the TBTLs, and we call them the TBTL Junior Sluggers.

I believe they're the Blue Eagles, but in my mind, in my heart, they'll always be the TBTL Junior Sluggers.

Yeah, we're going to change that right away. Where's my white suit? Get this guy his white suit.

I'm going to make some changes around here. Who's paying the bills?

I cannot wait to see a game. I know dude I'm seriously like

I'm not even kidding This is one of the more exciting developments Related to doing this show What 2008 16 years Are we going on This is our 15th or 16th year of doing this

We had our 15th anniversary in January Oh my gosh

Which means We're only about four and a half Years or so away from our 20th year of doing tbtl that's a lot wild and in all of those 20 years nothing has made me happy but this

is gonna make me happy well the day i joined the show and this yes those are the two those are the

two the two moments when it's felt like enough you know they say the happiest day of any podcaster's

life the two happiest days are the day they hire an andrew and when you sell an andrew and you fire and Andrew. Oh, no, no. I'm

trading you for a player to be named later.

You know, there is so much about the transfer portal that I need to learn about. You should have really checked your contract here, buddy.

All right. Very exciting. Yeah, no, this is going to be really fun. Anyway, we should actually thank some of those dazzling donors who are making our show possible and by extension, our growing sports empire possible. And then I want to get into this did you see this april fool's story that our pal john sklaroff actually forwarded to us

i only said the one that's in the show sheet today i did not see i think john is now oh great oh great now john is keeping me off of emails that i think i believe we're both on the email this morning but um yeah i did read it uh when i saw okay good sheet it's interesting yeah it is

i don't know exactly how i feel about it so uh we'll get into all that right after we thank these donors. Hey, if you are a fan of food and conversations about food and also podcasts that are really good, I need to recommend The Sporkful for you. It's hosted by Dan Pashman. Dan has done so many things in his career since his time as a producer on the Bryant Park Project with me, including inventing a new pasta shape called Cascatelli. I didn't even know that was a thing you could do didn't know people could just invent pasta shapes but dan did it by gum and uh now he likes to talk about food on the sporkful but not not in a way that makes you feel excluded from the conversation but in a way that makes you feel included like to say that the show is for eaters not foodies meaning you don't have to like know what a michelin star is from the michelin man to listen to the sporkful it is so entertaining i mean there's just so many different avenues of conversation related to food that dan and his guests uh mine for great great podcastery so make sure you go check out the sporkful wherever you get your podcasts we was

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Thank those dazzling donors who are keeping TBTL in business as we slowly make our way to being the last podcast in existence. We have to thank James McCracken. That's not a bad thing, Andrew. Think about how many listeners we'll have when we're the only podcast.

Yeah, no, I mean...

I mean, I feel like we're going to win the war of attrition thanks to...

the James McCrackens of the world.

I mean, a lot of people didn't bet on us to be the last podcast in existence.

Including me. I'm going to be honest with you. I've got a couple of bets in at DraftKings that I really regret considering some recent developments. James is in Louisville, Kentucky, and says, First of all, I want to be a booster for the summer and winter games. Hey. Thanks, James. We also enjoy having a little change of the rhythms of our broadcasting life in the summer and winter, by which I mean me anyway, At least getting a little bit of time off I look forward to them And my Eleven enjoys them I also support Cat Talk Okay, another thing that We love around here, of course Meow He says I also support Cat Talk, Genevieve and Susie appearances And any and all garbage talk And modern ethics discussions A lot of that has been Well, no Cat Talk yet today We did talk about my mom We haven't really talked about Veeves Is it too late to break out a winter hand? Well, these are appearances.

They want Genevieve and Susie appearances on the show, too. Oh, okay. I see.

So we've done zero of the things James McCracken wants.

So far on the show today, we haven't. We did get some garbage talk in there yesterday, though. Is there anything about gross ears talk? Nope, nothing on that.

Don't listen to yesterday's show, James. Whatever you do, you're going to claw back your donation. James says, I'd really love a new version of the sound machine and an updated bingo card. And a live show near me, and maybe just for me, since I moved away from Colorado a week before you announced the Denver show. James was like when I was in the Ikea warehouse and that woman left, and then one minute later someone popped their head out and said, we found it. I hope she's doing okay.

I hope her project's done. I hope she's enjoying her kitchen.

I think so, wherever she is, in Vancouver. TBTL has been a part of the rhythm of my life For all of the episodes Except Neil Hamburger Come on I mean Definitely the most polarizing Guest we've ever had on the program I probably said this When it came up And in any subsequent conversation But I think probably part of the problem Is you couldn't see Neil Hamburger

You know what I mean So the part of the bit The visual cues of how outrageously over the top this character was Was somewhat lost on the radio listeners Was that radio or podcast? Was that early podcast? That was podcast

I think podcast only I mean it's a shtick

Yeah

Right? Like it's a character who's a kind of terrible Borscht belt kind of comedian who has bad takes Put together by somebody who's very in on the joke But he's got this kind of greasy slicked over hair He's often wearing kind of a bedraggled tuxedo or some kind of a suit. He's got this like look on his face of just disdain for everything and everyone. I think when you see the visual and you hear the comedy, it comes together as a sort of piece. When you only hear the audio, it is something that apparently makes even the James McCrackens of the world turn away with a snarl in the words of Pat O'Day.

I'm having a pretty bizarre experience right now, Luke, which is related to this. If you'll allow it, I'm going to bring this back around. You know how we've been talking a lot about kind of Google, like literally the search engine Google. Yeah, how search is bad now. And one of the things that Google has been doing is when you type in something that you're looking for, instead of first giving you links to more information, it tries to kind of summarize information about that by, I guess, very quickly scouring the web with AI and giving you some sort of result, which you should be even more careful of. because it is sort of like an early technology. I'll just throw that out there. But I have never had it happen with something that I am connected to. I just typed in Neil Hamburger TBTL because I wanted to see, oh, maybe I can call up that episode. You know, sometimes these types of searches because we've been recording for what episode is today? 4,177. Yeah, since we've got a bunch of these things, so it makes it hard to find individual episodes. When I typed in TBTL Neil Hamburger, I got this as a kind of not even a not even a suggested link, but sort of a summary of what we're looking for here. It says Neil Hamburger, also known. This is so funny. Neil Hamburger, also known as America's funny man, was a special guest on the Too Beautiful to Live TBTL podcast in May of 2011. The episode is titled a mere 13 years ago. For some reason, it doesn't finish that. It says the episode is titled Too Beautiful, dot, dot, dot. And Hamburger returns to respond to hurtful comments about him from the internet. That's right, because you had him on once. And that was the only time that listeners almost like...

revolted they were so revolted by his appearance and so you had him back on so that he could respond to the slings and arrows from our audience right probably from james mccracken

probably from james mccracken i'll forgive it james because you're a dazzling donor which is an incredibly generous thing to do uh james says i'm so glad to have been along for the ride you really do fight global loneliness fish sandwiches forever james in louisville kentucky um well i you know we're still listen we just made a big announcement today which is that we're moving into um professional sports but i would just say watch this space james because sometime down the road when you least expect it when you've moved from kentucky you may find out that uh tbtl may be coming to a region near you. But we're going to wait until you've moved to Hawaii, and then we're going to announce a show in Louisville.

That's right.

Thank you, James. We really do appreciate it. Maestro?

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dattle.

Hey, it's Alicia Elliott in Sharon, Massachusetts. The name Sharon now, for me, even if it's the name of a city, I just hear it in Ozzy Osbourne's voice yelling for Sharon Osbourne from the MTV show The Osbournes.

I didn't really watch that show much, so I don't have that particular affliction. Do you have an imitation of it that you would like to present to us?

I didn't prepare anything, but I could probably wing it Robin Williams style.

Sharon!

as most of the show, was just Ozzy Osbourne in another room yelling for Sharon Osbourne.

You know, that sounds a lot like my Larry David saying Cheryl. That was very, I thought you were doing, Cheryl! Cheryl, you left the toilet seat up, Cheryl! Cheryl! Cheryl! Cheryl! Welcome to TVTL, kids.

This is going to be a video, isn't it? I don't like that. Anyway, that's where I think of when I hear the name Sharon now Forever and ever You know what's interesting about that show was And I wasn't like a power user of it But it was at a time when I was probably watching Well, certainly more MTV than I watch now Does MTV exist? Is it on television? Is it on cable? I think it's all just catfish now 24 hours a day, right? Or ridiculousness with Rob Dyrdek And Chanel West Coast and Steele O'Brim um I uh I watched that show enough to know that Ozzy Osbourne would go around yelling Sharon but the other thing that was that was interesting was there was a there was an Osbourne family member a kid who wasn't on the show and I believe this person this kid lived at home so you have you had a Ozzy Osbourne obviously Sharon Osbourne and uh then Jack Osbourne and kelly osborne and there was like by the way the garbage uh guy is outside i'm just checking to make sure i'm putting my garbage can down upside down yeah the international sign of contempt but um yeah so there was like the parents and then two of the kids that were in the show and then one kid who was like i don't want to be in the show and the kid was never in the show and the kid is now an adult and has lived and you know not is not estranged from the family at all this is just like one of the osborne children was like yeah that's not really for me and i find that

so interesting i'm i'm proud of that kid and i'm proud of the family for respecting those wishes

absolutely no i mean i'm i'm i i don't know everything about their about their takes but i well for instance osby osborne recently told yay to uh geez am i being is this what's going on you okay it's just a lot of activity out there like they're using the claw on the garbage can sharon um yeah it's just like louder than normal oh you know why because i've got the window i've got the window wide open uh because uh because it was getting a little it was getting a little athletic in here andrew see i also have a treadmill in here and it's where i do my little jogging and uh the the good news is when we uh my dad and i kind of remodeled this place i hired a company to come in and insulate it with spray foam and spray foam has a very high r value

you can hear that right hear that truck in the background it's very noisy barely i mean no not until you totally stop talking i could barely hear a beep in the background that i don't think

listeners will be able to hear well uh the place is now insulated very well with this spray foam but it's insulated so well that when i come in here and do my little exercise routine if i don't like open, but I don't air the joint out. Um, it's like, it's, it's just, there's like,

It's almost like it's too hermetically sealed. So anyway, I have the window open, which I didn't realize. That's why I was kind of getting weirded out by the sound. It was louder than I expected it to be. But anyway, Ozzy Osbourne recently told, I think, Yeezy not to sample one of his songs that Yeezy was doing in one of his songs. Or Ye, I should say. Because of Ye's truly regrettable comments around, oh, everybody and everything. But the idea that Ozzy Osbourne You know He's no spring chicken And that Ozzy Osbourne would be like Yeah no thank you Keep my songs names out of your mouth please When you're going to be basically a bad person I was like go Ozzy Osbourne good for you

Good for taking a stand

So I'm just saying maybe you know the Osbournes I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel like the Osbournes In a way similar to the Kardashians Were to some people The sort of sign of like the decline of western civilization like we just have these shows where you just like reality stars you're just famous for being famous but like if you watched it and you got past aussie yelling sharon all the time you're like this is actually seems like a pretty sweet family that really kind of go to bat for each other and they've got a kid that's like yeah i don't want to be part of this and they're all cool with it like i i think i'm generally very pro the osborns i don't know if i

have strong feelings one way or the other that style of programming never connected with me at all like but you do have to give them credit for being so early in creating what we think of as standard reality television today just like you know like they were they were doing it before the kardashians am i right about that or maybe that's i believe so but i i'm you know i'm not

an expert on it but again we were talking about kim kardashian versus the estate of donald judd the other day and and i hope it came through that i'm also not i'm not anti the kardashians at this point like i i say this all the time but i i think like and i've certainly used the kardashians as like a reference like low-hanging fruit to kind of like probably i'm in a tight corner on wait wait and i'm trying to be funny and i want to just like throw something out that like you know this is back in the day like you know was somehow indicating that we are tastes as a culture as a society are not what they once were that being said i now am of the opinion that like disliking the Kardashians is like not really a personality anymore it's like I feel like they've you know certainly accomplished a lot in the field that they set out to accomplish a lot in and I do think that you know Kim Kardashian seems like she's very into design and things like that I think that they're generally a force for okayness in the world I like the idea that like kind of on this

show you have that sort of take on the Kardashians but then when you're in sort of a high pressure situation like on wait wait don't tell me and you're trying to squeeze a joke in and you like throw her you throw kim or the kardashians under the bus and you do that three times and a rooster crows somewhere a little biblical humor here in the middle of a dazzling donor sure thank you

speaking of which i've done absolutely nothing to properly thank alicia elliott other than go on a tangent about sharon massachusetts alicia says ahoy hoy friendos like a good over thinker 10 i've been attempting to craft the perfect dazzling message for weeks how many drops can i reference do i go sincere or snarky compose the whole message out of questions question mark what would phyllis fletcher do okay i see where you're going with this alicia who am i kidding question mark i'm no phyllis fletcher period okay i see the questions have ended now and the statements are beginning but i am a dedicated 10 when i struggle with something or laugh when no one else is laughing or discover a drops origin story in the wild it's tbtl and the tens that are there with me at the risk of sounding condescending there are times when i am just so darn proud of you co-bros wow thanks alicia thank you that's really nice i'll happily be conned yeah seriously condescend away my friend we'll make more uh you let us into your lives and you invite us to share in your missteps and triumphs sure there are phones littered along the national highways thanks to you but we only get angry with the ones we love most right question mark uh any whoozle a few years ago we talked during the thon i'll once again quote the great 80s cartoon denver the last dinosaur you're our friends and a whole lot more power out that's from alicia in sharon massachusetts well thank you very much alicia i appreciate you saying that and i appreciate you pointing out that the fact that it makes you know the listeners so angry when we get things wrong that they want to throw their phones that is an indication of a high level of hashtag engagement so you only are mad at us because you love us I want everyone to remember that next time you're mad at us this time you're annoyed with us remember it's only because you love us I feel like there are a couple of

things out there too that I was so loud wrong about recently that I have not gotten the proper amount of well actually here's the deal one of them was locations of Les Schwab I had done a google map of Les Schwab tire centers but it was only a google map so it's only showing me the centers around me we've established that search is bad now though well but that that was on me and I'm just like looking on the fly I'm like oh man they're only in like two states or something like ridiculous like that whereas if you go to their website you see that they're like they have a much bigger footprint and actually our friends at Les Schwab actually reached out did I send you a picture of this yet with a big map that was signed by a bunch of people at the Les Schwab front office but it said it was a map of all of their locations and it says

we go a little bit further than just so they heard us yes they heard us mischaracter well listen I worked them into a GD right Sunday morning piece so and then we appreciate the care package but

also and this came up in a text message and I don't know if you are fully read up on this Luke probably how loud wrong i was about that npr lead-in about the beyonce record release

how are you so wrong about it i was the one who misunderstood what the host was saying i thought i thought the host just to catch people up just people tuning in from the park rose little league um uh parkside little league whatever we call it blue eagles sluggers thank you the tbtl little sluggers league um i heard a host on npr reading into a piece about about country music and particularly about women of color and country music citing the beyonce record that's out that's really big right now and i misheard it to be um there's no or there's going to be a hoedown or there's not a hoedown i thought that the somebody at npr had misunderstood that beyonce was saying this ain't texas ain't no hold'em like texas hold'em once i played the tape again i realized no I was totally wrong I thought that was the big mistake you're saying you also made a big

mistake that day well the thing is you were like I have a nit to pick with this and then you said it then on the air you're like oh I guess I misunderstood it and like that that was fine you're like I misunderstood this my complaint no longer holds any relevance and so we could have moved on there but then I had to take it a step further and say yeah but I still don't like the writing in that NPR lead because the lead said something like Beyonce fans or the beehive I think They said, like, the beehive is going to get a real-life boogie and a real-life hoedown. And I was just like, what a weird intro. You're going to get a boogie? And we went on this whole thing about, can you get a boogie? Let me guess. Is it a lyric? It's literally from the song Texas Hold'em. Later on, the lyrics are, it's a real-life boogie and a real-life hoedown. I mean, I still don't think it's a very good lead and still like getting a boogie. I still think it's a weird construction. Having said that, I was clearly missing the point that in this incredibly famous song. But I dug in so deep. I'm like, no, Luke, you're still right. But I was right there with you. Blah, blah, blah. I'm just blah. We tag teamed. And you know what the thing is? It's like, I've barely, I got one gentle correction on that in the form of song, I think, which unfortunately I can't find right here.

No, we got a not-so-gentle correction from television's Chris Hayes.

Yes, and then the second one was like, that is the, yeah, the only other correction, and he didn't even explain how I had got it wrong. I knew at this point. And he said that was the most phone throwy moment in TVTL history. But aside from that, I'm really surprised we didn't get a lot more people coming down on me hard on that.

Well, here's the problem for me is that I've only heard the first 40 seconds of that song because it is constantly in rotation on public radio. When there are conversations about the album, about the cover art, about, you know, black representation in country music, about what is and is not country music. But every single time the topic comes up Because it's very active in the pop culture right now They play that Whatever, hold them song But they only play the first few seconds And then it's on TikTok Before it even started popping up On public radio, it was popping up on TikTok As a song that was being used You know, for a certain Kind of meme-ified TikTok post And, but in all of that All I've ever heard is the first 35 seconds By the way, I think it sounds like a great song Like I'm not down on it as music Or anything like that I also think there was actually a very Since I started this whole Nightmare situation Last week talking about How I didn't like how Morning Edition was Handling I thought anyway this intro That I'm deeply misunderstood I heard a really interesting interview On NPR the other day Talking to somebody about the cover art Of the album And how you have Beyonce she's on a horse she's holding an american flag but it's only the stripes of the american flag that are i guess visible in the photo because the flag is kind of you know rippling or whatever and it made me think of the conversation you and i have had andrew about how like it really does suck how much stuff has been co-opted by the very extreme right and things like if i see an american flag now how triggering it is for me and i was really heartened Thank you.

To see or to hear about the idea that Beyonce is using that on the cover of this album Because I would love it I would love, and I don't know every single thing about Beyonce's politics But I just, I would very much like for the rest of us And by that I just mean everyone who's not an absolutely extreme, extreme right-wing partisan to be able to engage with some of these things like the American flag without it being a bad experience, you know? And I just like, oh, good. And reclaim it, right? If Beyonce's reclaiming that a little bit, I am very, very excited about that. I hope that starts a movement of just like, yeah, taking that flag back a little bit so that it doesn't cause me to break out in hives when I'm driving down the road here in rural America because that's the current situation for me.

Yeah, and I also wanted to take issue with some more of Beyonce's lyrics in this song I'm just gonna actually you know I might do that at the end of the show I'll say goodbye to you and I'll do that as the easter egg will you yeah a little breakout podcast of my own where I where I criticize lyrics that I know nothing about uh-huh

hello and welcome to top story you know anytime we get into politics I would say this our listeners as a group I think are pretty we're mostly in the same uh we mostly have the same worldview I think you know I think if you're somebody who who who is inclined towards putting a huge American flag and then don't tread on me flag at the back of your diesel truck and then drive it around I would guess this isn't the show for you that being said I always still get a little nervous when I start to get earnest about about politics and about things like the flag because you just never know but i want to go from that very fraught topic to another very fraught topic which is cars versus pedestrians uh which takes us to vancouver and granville island have you ever been to granville island by no i'd never heard of it lovely have you and veevs haven't been to

vancouver i was in vancouver once a long time ago but for a very brief period of time yeah

It is, I mean, Vancouver is absolutely lovely, and you've got Stanley Park, and you've got Granville Island. There's all kinds of cool stuff up there. But you also have this thing where a lot of people like to enjoy Granville Island. It's got some shopping and different kind of cool things. But then you've also got a lot of car traffic, and, of course, sometimes cars are not very mindful of the people driving the cars. I don't think it's the cars yet, but, you know, give Elon a minute. It will be the cars, but for now, it's the drivers of the cars are a little inattentive sometimes about pedestrians. So this group called Vision Zero Vancouver, by the way, this is an article from the CBC by Arthi Thea Perrin, and this was emailed to me, exclusively me, by our friend TBTL's own John Sklaroff. So you really weren't on that first email? How did I see it?

I don't think I was on the first email, but I'm laughing about something else, because yes I've been to Granville I was just like as you were talking about I'm like wait I think that's where my friend got married and so I was just going through is that all but it wasn't a memorable experience because I was like wait a second because I was like I only went to Vancouver once to hang out with Beverly and her friends and we went to like the Canadian like whatever the Canadian VFW is which I had a lot of fun but I'm like wait a second though didn't didn't Beverly get married around that area and so I just typed in Granville and there's all these emails about our planning our trip so uh there's a anyway there's a google like paragraph that says granville lion is a place where andrew walsh's friends got married in my defense that was in 2010 come on i'm an old man and a lot of time has passed um so this group called vision zero

vancouver which i get the sense is a group that advocates for greatest greater safety around pedestrians and things as a an april fool's joke they put they put out these little kind of stands you know like if you ever crossed a busy intersection in certain american cities there will be those flags that you can just take and walk across the street with a flag an orange flag usually um the idea is to get the attention of the cars to be a little bit more visible then you just you put it in the little kind of container on the other side and then the idea is people just use these as they go back and forth across this street what this group uh vision zero vancouver did was put together a number of hyper realistic looking foam bricks like pretty sizable bricks like the kind you might grab as the society was completely deteriorating and you were looking for like a window to throw it through sure yeah and they were you know encouraging people to grab these bricks these foam bricks and hold them up as they cross the street because the idea was this is

really going to get the attention of the drivers because if you see someone carrying a brick you're not going to try to zoom through the crosswalk you're going to give them their space i thought

this was interesting because because they look threatening right i mean that's the idea here yeah i mean yes the article is written in a way that it like kind of took me a second to kind of understand what was going on like but just to be very clear because when i saw a photo I think it helped me a little bit too like so they have these bricks it's like they made this little like um this small little box basically that holds three realistic looking foam bricks that is hanging on like a telephone pole or something at the crosswalk some sort of a pole at the crosswalk and you so I guess you pick one up and then like what you you hold it in your hand and it looks like a real brick and you stare down the cars that are not slowing down as you approach the

as they approach the crosswalk i watched video of it and there's there people took different approaches i mean let's be honest this was also sort of a media event not unlike pita saying let's say feed two birds with one scone like this was a conversation starter more than anything and it worked it started a conversation on this very podcast but um one of the last podcasts in america um but uh but but yeah the idea was different approaches some people kind of like took it and just kind of crossed meekly some people like kind of held it up what I didn't see anyone do which is of course what I would have done which is also the thing I don't really like about this is nobody did like you know that famous like it's like a Banksy where somebody's like throwing something and I think that made they might have something much more violent maybe a Molotov cocktail or something which has probably been swapped out with a heart or something but anyway like what I didn't see anyone doing was like holding the brick and kind of like making a driver think they were about to hurl it at the car but that's as they say on it's always study in philadelphia the implication and it's interesting to me one of the people cited in this piece says this is giving some of the power back to pedestrians and it's one of those things where and you are very much a pedestrian in seattle andrew i mean you you walk a lot of places there and really enjoy that lifestyle as do i when i'm in a city that's walkable currently i'm not which kind of sucks but um i do think that obvious like let me put it this way there's almost nothing that i get more angry about than if i'm jogging and a car zooms unnecessarily close to me or if i'm walking and a car like menaces me in some way particularly through how loud it is like if it's one of those cars with like a bored out muffler it fills me or if i were to step into a crosswalk and a car were to zoom in front of me i would have like maybe an even outsized response compared to like regular people like it makes me

so furious it makes me furious too there's a crosswalk near my house in this very busy street that gets very busy it's like a four-lane road uh around um rush hour and you can push a road that

that causes you to just take a right in a right yeah exactly the left is so daunting exactly so

this is an aurora but anyway it's a really busy road and there is it's really hard to cross it but there is like a crosswalk a block up so it's kind of like it goes usually i have to go out of my way just by like a block or maybe even a half a block to use this crosswalk where you can actually hit a button and there's a stoplight there that will stop traffic almost immediately for you but people will just like totally ignore the crosswalk there when traffic is backed up so even if like let's say that they have a green light there they'll just totally the cars just ignore where the lines are on the road so that like if i'm going to cross the road i need to weave in and out of all of these parked cars that are just waiting for a light to change like a half a mile up the road because like they don't nobody respects crosswalks especially in that particular area because i don't live in a particular i mean there are mostly sidewalks where i live but it's just like a very it's it's kind of a um very car more car centered place that i live and kind of trashy in some ways um and like it really it really bothers me like i'll tap a trunk luke i'll tap a trunk i'll smack it you have you done it i know but you know the the

closest i ever came to being hit by a car was that exact situation now i will say this i was deeply in the wrong i was at that part of aurora where it's right before it kind of bends around and um at green lake oh yeah so and you've got like yeah it's where the twin teepees used to be in the beth's cafe and the kangaroo and kiwi and a variety of now shuttered businesses down there but um i was a kid and i was crossing aurora and i didn't want to go up to like winona where the light was and it was the same time it was it was rush hour all the cars were just stopped so i kind of weaved my way i went over that barrier that divider that's like pretty intense like you know you should not be messing with like you shouldn't be sitting on that divider waiting for traffic to

do it so it's unsafe yeah it's a very vulnerable feeling and i was totally like again i was in the

wrong but what happened

was, as I was getting towards the Green Lake side, there was three, there's three lanes technically, so the first two lanes, cars are just stopped, and I go through, thank you very much, and then I step right into the third lane, the far lane, and that one, because it's the right turn only, was not full of cars, it just had a car that was coming around the bend at what felt like a thousand miles an hour to me, and I just thought, God, if only i had a brick i would no i um i did this move where i i just i kind of jumped because my thought in that split second was if i'm in the air and it hits me i've watched a lot of movies where this happens i feel like that's going to be better than if i'm on like if i'm standing and it hits me in my side i was bracing for the impact of this thing and very much like ready for it to hit me and i was just trying to minimize i was like i gotta if i can roll on the hood that'll be something better than the alternative and I jumped and it was a combination of probably adrenaline and me jumping and I think the car swerved away like the car actually really helped me because they swerved in towards the other traffic enough that I cleared the corner of the hood and what I remember being very weird about this experience was jumping and then feeling their antenna hit my hand and the antenna was back near the windshield because of just the weird geometry of the whole situation and I remember I landed on the ground unscathed everyone got out of their cars like oh my god are you okay and I was like yeah yeah I'm fine I'm totally fine and then I remember walking over to my friend Peter Williams house and being like craziest thing just happened and then at some point just being overcome with violent shaking like it must have just been the adrenaline like left my body like i was like oh near miss hey that was really cool i jumped over a car you know whatever and then at whenever whatever that was left all that was left was a very very scared 13 year old i'll bet you when the shaking went away too i don't know if you

remember this but i'll bet you when the shaking went away or at some point later the crying began i'll bet you you were just a puddle like there is something about those adrenalized moments when you can feel i mean you feel the chemicals in your body like doing something abnormal and then when they calm down you're just like left with just like just this sort of hollow feeling yeah it's

like a massive adrenaline dump and then your body's like well we don't have any more of that for a while and then you go into a real whatever desert of that sort of thing um but all that is to say i know exactly what you're talking about when the cars are stopped and you're kind of working right through them and you're like i guess we're i hope we're all in on this because this is it feels kind of dicey i guess what i was going to say about this brick thing is i also don't really think it's great for people to be menacing cars with bricks be they real or foam like i feel like this is one of those things where i again there i think they're just trying to get attention um for pedestrian safety which i think is a very good thing and i think we can all agree our cities are better when they're safer to walk in and everybody who's walking is not in a car uh that's one less car on the road like it all around pedestrian culture i mean when i was in frankfurt um for all of like one and a half days it was lovely walking around that town and it is it's germany right so it's like such a they've just figured out the design of the city so much better than a lot of the places in the u.s where you could just walk everywhere i never felt like i had to compete with traffic it just was like it's nice to be in a place where they've put some thought into what is the pedestrian experience that being said a brick feels a tad

aggressive to me it seems sort of impractical to me as well depending on what your goal is you're right like if your goal is to get this campaign written up in the local newspapers and then on the world's last podcast and you know like mission accomplished that's where i guess it has its most power but like in the moment first of all i'm with you like giving given the already sort of dangerous situation that they're trying to call attention to the whole brick thing with the implied threat of violence I guess yeah it seems like you're actually endangering people more potentially because somebody could misrepresent that and secondly like it's not I think if I was a driver and I saw somebody carrying unless they were really doing like an Al Bundy doing the Heisman Trophy stance at my car or something I just think I would be like oh what are they carrying I just don't think it's like a big enough – a flag makes sense because it – you know what I mean? It's a big, bright, orange flag. This is like something that isn't that much bigger than your hand. Well, that's what I was noticing in the video. I think the pedestrian has to really make a show of it in order for it to be effective. And then if you're making a show of it, like I don't know if that's the reaction that we want.

No, you're exactly right. It was sort of – it suffered from the fact that the brick was either not noticeable enough or too noticeable. Yeah, yeah. There was no in-between. Like maybe there was a funnier thing That they could have done I can't of course think of a good example Off the top of my head But there might have been something Yeah.

funnier that they could have done to um uh to to like bring this to people's attention but in a way that was less i feel like somebody saw foam bricks and thought on like on amazon and thought oh this could be funny as opposed to like i feel like there's something else you could do that would get the conversation going that would kind of be a wake up a wake up call to people who are driving who are not being thoughtful but also did not have the level of implied violence and was more just immediately sort of readable as the situation i don't know what that is but i feel like it could have happened i don't know andrew why i'm gonna bring this up um except there's somebody who i kind of somebody i sort of um like i would say not vaguely no i know this person's sort of okay i've worked with this person occasionally and i happened to notice on their instagram feed the other day it was just like a picture of keith richards and then it was just like rock legend hashtag RIP and I was like oh shoot wow that's unexpected I mean it's weird to think that Keith Richard's passing would be unexpected yeah because it seems like the most expected thing that could ever happen but here you know he's been here a long time and uh I was like whoa and then I went searched around and I realized no he's alive I think this was an April Fool's spoof and I wanted to I didn't want to get into it but I felt like saying to the person that's just lying do you

Do you think that the person was tooken, or do you think that this person was trying to propagate this joke?

This person is—I never know exactly what they're doing on the line, on the social media feeds that I see them on. Their presentation is a little odd to me, and this looked like original content. Oh, interesting. You know what I mean? It wasn't a repost. It was like they put up I believe that's or they were Deeply misinformed about The The health And welfare of one Keith Richards I was literally like in my mind When I saw that I was like oh shit I gotta call Jen like I gotta we gotta Talk about this is a big story like just I gotta reach out to her you know And then this you know her mom who has Since passed was a should do be and then like We'll end up talking about You know her mom's legacy and the should do I had a whole thing in my mind from seeing this one, basically, I think, like very poorly played April Fool's post, which is like just saying someone's past. Unless this person doesn't know what RIP means, which I also don't think is the case. Rocking power. Right? You put a picture of Keith Richards. You do a hashtag RIP. I think you know what you're trying to indicate there.

Well, I saw something that I'm looking at the Internet now, and it does not seem like it was an April Fool's joke. But I went to the Mariners game a couple of nights ago and in walking across the big parking lot from the train station to the field, I was passing Lumen Field, which is where the Seahawks play the football team. And they have, you know, huge concerts there, too. And I saw a Rolling Stones 2024 tour sign. I was like, no way. Those guys are touring again. I remember they released a record like within the past year or something. But it just seems like so I don't know. I was just really shocked. I thought that they would have toured their final time, but I'm looking it up. They're coming in May, mid-May. They're going to be rocking Seattle, Luke. That is not the scene for me. I don't think I would want to go to a Rolling Stones show. Oh, I would.

I saw them, actually. They played the halftime show at the Super Bowl in Detroit that I was at.

Okay.

Now, that doesn't really count because they just sort of hastily assemble the stage, and they come out and play 40 seconds of Start Me Up into 40 seconds of Jumpin' Jack Flash or whatever. But, like, I actually say I really like the Rolling Stones catalog. You know, I think they've got some Tumbling Dice. I mean, come on. They got some.

Oh, I don't dislike the Rolling Stones. I mean, in fact, somebody gave me, somebody was, like, kind of trimming back their record collection, a friend of ours, and so they gave me.

Pruning it back.

Pruning it back. They were getting rid of their doubles or something, and I'm trying to remember which record they gave me. Triples are best. And they gave me, like, my connection to the Rolling Stones, and I always really liked them, but, like, it was one of the rare bands that I was actually into their kind of collected hits the we've talked about this a lot the um hot rocks and hot rocks and hot rocks too um but then so then as i've gotten older like every now and then a rolling stones album like a full album will come into my possession or uh and i'll listen to it all the way through and i'm like oh wow that was sort of a big blind spot for me so anyway i was really enjoying this so i'm not saying that that's not my scene i don't know that the rolling stones in 2024 is my scene and like maybe that sounds ageist or what i mean first of all huge arena rock is not usually my seen anyway that's not even i mean is that that's not even arena rock that is football field rock which is just impossibly stadium rock i guess even when you saw them that was in 2026 that was 20 years ago almost you know so like i don't know rolling stones touring in 2024 and again i'm not trying to be offensive to the people i'm sure there are a lot of people in our audience who are either going or would kill to go and would love it i just don't think i just don't think it's for me.

I'd rather go see – I don't know. I'd rather probably just go see something, you know, at a rock club.

You'd rather see the Rolling Stones cover band called Shattered that played my cousin Kellyanne's wedding reception at her house in Warminster, Pennsylvania in the backyard? Is that what you'd like to see?

Are they playing Lumen?

Are they opening? I mean, that was the most Bucks County, Pennsylvania thing I'd ever been to, which is a Rolling Stones cover band called Shattered. They were good, by the way. It was so much fun. This is what I'll say about the stones of 2024 As far as I know Well, first of all, Keith Richards is, I think, very much alive And also sober Which I think is kind of, as he tells it Sober, which I think is really interesting Because, you know, that It's like You've went a long, long time not being sober And you're now, you know In what is probably For most of us humans Based on age, you know, the later phase Of your life, I could see him being like I made it this far. I'm not what am I gonna like work the steps for the last 10 years of my life or 20 years of my life? You know, like I find that kind of inspiring honestly just to be like, yeah, that wasn't working for me anymore but um, but also they seem particularly Mick Jagger and and Keith Richards Weirdly youthful like weirdly fine for a band that was like so known for its excesses and and and just you know like they were just around long before this idea of self-care or before these bands were like here's what I you know here's how I like to wind down after a show with my aromatherapy or whatever like to the degree that there are bands that do that now that was just not the scene it's just shocking to me that Mick Jagger seems completely hale and hearty as does Keith Richards like they are not the people I would have been betting on to be doing really well in their 80s and outplaying shows. I just hope that they make enough money on this tour that they can retire. Yeah, that would be really nice. People are having to work longer and longer now and forestall retirement for longer and longer.

Yeah, exactly. I do think, and I don't know, we should probably just leave it there. Part of it for me might be, you know, Charlie- Wait, hold on.

I'm just, I'm searching through some more Beyonce lyrics that we could try to riff on here.

I do think that you cross sort of, because I know that the Rolling Stones lineup has changed. I mean, it went through changes even in the 1970s, like what we would consider more their heyday. But like with the loss of Charlie Watts, you're not even the full band that you were for long. And again, like these I don't want to be out here saying, hey, you're a musician. You're not allowed to perform your music anymore. Like that's that's that's not the stance I'm taking. But for me, like I just don't think that like I've never seen the Rolling Stones. I probably never will. And like part of me is like, oh, man, it would have been really cool to see the Rolling Stones at some point. But, like, I wouldn't want my experience of seeing the Rolling Stones being seeing them in 2024 with the surviving members, you know?

Uh-huh. I think I probably, because I'm not as, I'm probably actually less aware of the music than you are, truthfully. And obviously, like, you know, Charlie Watts was, I don't know if he was a founding member of the band, but associated with the band. I guess I tend to think maybe just because they gyrated the most at the front of the stage. But I think of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards as being the core of the Rolling Stones. Oh, yeah. I don't know if that's musically accurate or just because they were the ones being the most, what, loush? Like Keith Richards with the lit cigarette stuck in the strings of the guitar as he's playing or whatever. Right. That somehow moves it musically higher for me as far as their importance to things.

You know what I think had a big impact on me as a kid? I'm just trying because I realize I just have such a I just have such an atrocious take on this. But when I was in, I want to say, high school, like maybe young, like, you know, kind of the, you know, I was like in a young high school age. Me and my friend Tony and his dad went to see a show and it was like the idea that I've even comparing these two things is ludicrous. But I remember Tony's dad saying, hey, I think it was I think it was Earth, Wind and Fire. It was some band like that. It was like some some band in the 90s whose heyday was in the 60s or 70s or something. And he said, hey, they're playing at some festival down in the flats in Cleveland, which was like this area where there were kind of clubs and outdoor stages and stuff. I don't know is the word when I say the flats in Cleveland, is that something that has extended beyond just people who live in Cleveland? Is that something you've heard of before?

not really uh i i don't like i don't associate that with a particular part of seattle is the flats considered what what what is the what's the the implication for the flats is it a not

great place to be is it a great place to be you know i don't think i i probably will bungle this too because i didn't live in cleveland project. I lived in like the country, especially I think around this time. And so we would come into Cleveland. It was like, oh, we're coming into the city. But the flats were an area that was sort of like, you know, like most of Cleveland at one point was very industrial, but down by the rivers and everything. But then as the industry sort of changed or dried up or whatever, you would have these sort of various attempts at reclaiming areas. And so for a while, the flats, at least in the 90s when I lived there, it was like for kids who were a bit older than me, probably old enough to go to clubs. But it was like the real party scene sort of at night. Like they're really trying to make the flats sort of like the nightlife of Cleveland. But then I think it got a little bit sketchy. But then sometimes like this thing, though, it wasn't Tony's dad taking us to the club. This was some sort of like a festival in Cleveland in the flats where you can see the water and you're by the river. and there's possibly some blues and bruise. There's probably blues and bruise. Okay, you have nailed it. You have dialed into this event. And I think it was Earth. No, no, no, no. It was Blood, Sweat, and Tears. I'll be honest with you. I don't really know the difference.

I was going to say, if you bring Philip Bailey into this of Earth, Wind,

and Fire. One is more funky and soulful, right? Blood, Sweat,

and Tears is much more blues and bruise. I think this is Blood, Sweat, and Tears. And some kind of powerful divorce dad

energy yes and i remember like going and like tony's dad was very excited to go see blood sweat and tears and then we showed up and like again i didn't know anything by this band anyway but literally there was like tears showed up yeah no i mean quite literally i think we found out at some point during the show that the only person who had like even the smallest connection to the original band was somebody playing tambourine on the side stage or something like that it was just like such I just think that, like, as a young person, like, maybe that moment had an outsized effect on me as far as, like, what are we doing here, you know? Right.

It's certainly an issue with, like, featuring members of, like, you know what I mean? Or you have, like, well, in fact, when I was on the freeway the other day, the local casino down here in southern Washington, I believe, I think that's where I saw this on. And I think Queensryche might be playing there. And I was thinking to myself, okay, but no, you know what? Sorry. I think that might've, was it in Seattle? Somewhere I saw a sign for Queensryche and my thought was, yeah, but which Queensryche? Because I think there are two versions and they're always fighting with each other about who can call it Queensryche. And I don't know if either of them even has the singer, the original singer, or if, if they're both like, if they've both moved so far away from the original concept, as far as the lineup goes. But like that is certainly and I don't really I guess I don't blame folks because you got to make a living. And if you can make if you can make a living touring as two of the original members of Bad Company, you know, like what else are you going to do? You're going to go out and make a living. But it's you. But do you love the further that you the further you know who's really doing what they love, I think. And this is a reference to the casino that's around here. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley of Kiss. I don't know if they've opened it or they're going to be open. I keep seeing the sign flashing on the big digital thing on the freeway. Because Kiss has not generated enough money in its existence. And Gene Simmons has not personally made enough money. I don't know why I don't blame Paul Stanley for this. But they're launching something called like Rock and Brew Or no, no, not Rock and Brew Yeah, maybe Rock and Brew I think it's like a Kiss It's like a Kiss-themed bar of some kind At the casino, right? And like, whatever, that's fine That wouldn't probably That wouldn't motivate me to go to a particular bar Because I was like, oh my god Does this have the official Gene Simmons stamp of approval For these wings I'm about to get? um we thank you gene simmons for these wings we are about to partake from but what's amazing about it is i keep seeing this sign that like the gene simmons experience or like the gene simmons and the rockin dudes are gonna come so not kiss but gene simmons and like a couple of other guys who are not in kiss are going to come perform at the opening of rock and brew at the local tribal casino and i'm tempted to go to it to just try to figure out what that scene is like like a gene simmons is he going to be in makeup is he going to be like what's his vibe going to be what does

i mean he won't be in makeup that's my guess i mean i hope you go and tell me if i'm right or wrong about this my guess is he will leave the maybe i can do this as a field trip you know me

I hate the casino, but I may darken the door just long enough to do my research here. Take some of the TV.

I'm going to get a band from the league before we've even started. Gene Simmons Rock and Brew. Let's see if I can find.

I'm looking at a press release from Brave Words. Kisses Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons to open Rock and Brew's restaurant and concert bar in southern Washington next spring. Is there any information specifically that you're looking for? There is a press photo of the two of them, Sands Makeup, surrounded by pizzas and toasting with a pint of beer. So maybe that's why I'm thinking.

So maybe that indicates that there won't be makeup. I need to figure out when this thing actually is, like when the appearance is. And honestly, if we're not in the middle of the show or if I'm not traveling for work or watching the Junior Sluggers, I will go to this just to give you a full report because I find it sort of just fascinating from like a cultural standpoint. I mean, the thing is like, what's weird to me about this is that KISS has made has generated so many millions if not at this point maybe even getting near billions of dollars and like famously the thing about KISS is that they have so thoroughly monetized the Living Tweedle out of every aspect of the band's existence that there is just no more need to make any more money like what is the and I you know also what is the need for the Rolling Stones to be playing Lumen I mean I guess maybe it's just fun to go out there and have 40 or 50,000 people screaming for you and enjoying your music but like I just wonder what it's gonna be like for Gene Simmons the morning he wakes up and realizes he needs to go to the outskirts of La Center Washington hmm to stand around in a sports bar and I don't know break a bottle of champagne over something or whatever it is he's gonna do like I just like I wonder if if if he's just so if this is just how he wants to live his life like he just enjoys the the grind of being Gene Simmons from Kiss, or if some part of him is like, why am I doing this at this point when I have, you know, he could happily retire or happily, I could play one Kiss show every 10 years and sell out Madison Square Garden or whatever. Like it's just Gene Simmons in La Center, Washington, opening his rock and brew with the Gene Simmons, whatever, brew crew. I don't understand how and why that happens.

Let me ask you this. Have you ever ordered a pizza in the middle of the day? Because I'll be honest with you, I'm looking at this photo of these two surrounded by pizzas and beer, and I want nothing to do with this particular scene. Well, I want one thing to do with this particular scene, which is just seeing the pizza boxes. And I'm not even seeing, like, actual pizza here. I'm just seeing a bunch of pizza boxes, what you might call Pizza Mountain. And suddenly I am overcome with the desire to eat pizza, but not like a frozen pizza. but like i i want to get a pizza delivered i don't get much food delivered these days because i it's gotten really expensive to use those apps honestly um and so i when i eat pizza on a weekend or something often i'm just like eating like a freshetta or something that i've grabbed at the grocery store yeah um but like it's realized i realized now i have not had like a delivered pizza in so long and i'm looking at this i'm like i i'm an adult like if i want to i can call pudge brothers right now you sure could acquire myself a large pepperoni and mushroom and olive pizza in the middle of the day it feels so i'm sorry actually andrew i'm realizing they've rebranded pudge brothers as vince neal's rockin pizza that's good i mean is it celebrating his career as a nascar driver or as a rock and roller because i celebrate both as he drive a nascar too well he did i mean this is going back a ways i remember being being very excited because i was a motley crew fan and this is a very not to be rude but i feel like this memory only fits into the context of my life when you consider that my parents had just recently gone through a divorce or were getting a divorce because i was at like the cleveland speedway to see some sort of a car racing event with my mom like me and my mom were not like there's nothing about that this reeks of shared custody yes nothing about that sentence like makes any sense like me and my mom did not like bro down over auto racing i'm saying nascar because i'm assuming it wasn't funny car like right i literally don't car about it not when the pedestrians are holding bricks so yeah anyway all i remember is just being excited that that was neil young's car or not neil young i'm sorry vince

young vince neil's car and like i would love if this was neil young in the story what if it was Neil Young versus Vince Neil. Just two cars and a dream. Somewhere on a

desert highway. What is it? Yeah. Vince Young versus Neil Young.

Take a look at my life.

I think I just threw in Heisman Trophy winner Vince Young.

just to add, just to spice things up. Vince Neil of Motley Crue versus Neil Young of Neil Young, or Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, I guess, in a funny car. Yeah. Alcohol funny car race where things just do a wheelie and then a parachute comes out. Sure. That I would watch.

Yeah, absolutely.

That I would go to a rock and brew opening to see.

All right, well, I'll see if my mom can take you.

All right. That's enough for one day, everybody. wait we gotta do blurs days oh fine

there's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll you can't just listen to your soul just remember that life is number one you can't be having so much fun just remember that life

Just one more thing I wanted to say related to our Beyonce conversation from, I think that was last week, Luke, is, I don't know, I think she's overrated. No, obviously I'm joking. I'm thinking about it because as I'm playing this song, I will get a notification from YouTube because all of our episodes are automatically uploaded to YouTube now. And literally like just a few people listen to our podcast via YouTube, but whatever, it's an option that's up there. But I will get a email from YouTube later on today that says your content is partially blocked in some countries or territories because you used this copyright music. And they will mention Right Way to Rock, Wrong Way to Roll by Tim Heidecker. Yeah, because the bots recognize it and it is technically copyrighted music. I appreciate I appreciate him letting us use it. um having said that the one time that i have gotten a notification that says your show is completely blocked not in some territories not wherever is the time we played beyonce for about 20 seconds on the podcast last week like that podcast is not available on youtube i even got a note from a listener who's like hey i'm one of the few people who watch on youtube can you get this back on youtube i'm like no man it's like fully blocked and the only difference about that show was the you know the Beyonce song

how much of that song did we play I mean isn't there fair use I don't know

man I've heard that you're allowed to play up to 30 seconds but I don't know if that's really true or not so I mean

it certainly seems to be in journalistic circles right I mean that's what I always thought when we were at at the network or whatever

we had different though we don't have the same permits for podcasting that we did in the old radio days the ASCAP of BMI stuff like that doesn't really apply

You know what's really, I'm still unclear on what you think I would be with my other job working in television, but there's so much stuff with TV that's weird that I don't even realize. Like we did that story about this guy named Ed Zwick, the film director who had this moment at the Oscars where he was part of the producing team that was winning an Oscar. But it was for Shakespeare in Love, which had actually the Oscar was sort of primarily going to Harvey Weinstein, weirdly enough at the time. And he kind of didn't let Ed Zwick say anything on stage. So this was a big point in this guy's life and career. And I was like, well, we've got to show him on stage all mad. And the producer was like, yeah, it's just a nightmare getting Oscar clips and getting those, paying for those. And, like, there's just so much stuff that I'm like, isn't that just, I don't know, it's out there in the culture. We all saw it. We all heard it. And it's like, no, no, you have to pay for everything that you're using, even if you're doing journalism.

Even if you're doing journalism. Yeah. And I guess maybe that also gets to the definition of journalism, too, like, especially in this day and age when people are making.

I wasn't doing journalism, which hurt.

Yeah, right.

You can no longer tell people about our fried pickles

But it is true When you have companies like Netflix That are making A lot of profit off of let's say A limited series, documentary series To the people who make that They consider themselves Documentarians and journalists To a certain degree But also there's a lot of fuzziness Over what is actual journalism in that space But probably not a conversation I need to get into Here Let's get into and out of these blurs Wow, you have such a negative attitude about the Blur's days.

Wow. It's been working so well for you that I just thought I would borrow it.

I thought I'd try it on for a week. No, I celebrate. I celebrate people like Ann in New Hampshire. Yes. Our dear friend Ann who says, Happy birthday to me at 61 years old and after a lot of work. I feel better than I am. I'm sorry. I feel better and am healthier than I have been in a very long time. This birthday is truly one to celebrate.

I'm looking forward to doing that next week at Universal Orlando with my adult daughter. It's one of the best birthday presents I've ever given myself.

Oh, yeah. Happy Blurs. And by the way, glad to hear that you're feeling as good as you've ever felt or in a long time at age 61. Heck, yeah.

Absolutely. Eric in Stellacom. Is that how you say that?

Stellacom.

Stellacom says, happy Blurs Day to Lisa. Lisa of Lacey Olympia, this may be the year to bring the resident rodents under control and a more frequent meetup at our Oli Eagles Club. 51 has to be fun. Duh. Wait a sec.

Resident rodents? Are these people keeping rats or guinea pigs?

May this year. I think I messed up most of what I've read so far. That sentence reads as follows. May this year bring the resident rodents under control.

You said that. That's the same way you said it the first time. Yeah, I'm wondering what the resident rodents are.

Sounds like they might have a rodent problem.

Or a rodent blessing.

Oh, my God, guys. We are crushing it. Brian says, I want to send a big Blurzy shout-out to my longtime co-bro, Nate, in Tacoma. I'd like to grow a pair sometime. We met through TBTL many years ago, and I am not exaggerating. in the least when I say we are family now. We don't get to hang out as often as we'd like, but whenever we do, it's like no time has passed at all. Two bros bro-ing it up. You know what? I'm just going to say it. Let's get physical. Perfect. And finally, Lisa wants to wish our very dear friend a very happy Blur's Day. We're talking about Farron here. Lisa and Farron have been friends going back a long ways. And Lisa says, I might get to celebrate with her in person as I will be visiting San Diego next month. But however she spends her Blur's Day, I hope it's fun and there are lots of fizzy cocktails and sweet treats. Happy Blur's Day, Farron. P.S. Yes, I do need a hair appointment when I get there.

Oh, right. You know, I forgot that Lisa moved to like Chicago.

I feel cute today. Look at my outfit.

Somewhere, yeah, in the Midwest. And then, you know, Farron is down there still in the greater San Diego, Southern Cal area doing the hair. And, yeah, so it sounds like they're going to have a hangover. Oh, what I was going to say is they met. Didn't they meet at the They Might Be Giants show or something?

It was definitely a concert.

Or bare naked ladies or a semi-clothed Gene Simmons concert.

I think it was semi-clothed Gene Simmons, actually, yeah.

Well, happy Blur's Day, Farron.

Yeah, happy Blur's Day, everybody. Hope there aren't good ones. See, Luke, that wasn't so bad. I don't know why you got to be a negative Nelly all the time.

I thought you were cutting out the part where I forgot that we were still doing Blur's Days, and I said, oh, right.

Well, I was going to cut it out.

Now you have to leave it in.

But either way, you also, I mean, I just feel like there was a lot of just sort of negative energy coming from you. I mean, luckily, I bring so much positive energy to this show and sunshine and smiles and hugs and high fives that it can overwhelm your negativity.

You know, here's the thing. This is going to sound like a flex. I made a mistake today, Andrew. I was too productive before the show. I got up really early today. I've been working on a CBS story. I've been doing taxes stuff. I've been doing all kinds of complicated paperwork and other busy work, things that I've been putting off, right? I was going ham on it this morning, and then by the time it was showtime, I was gassed. I was ready for a nap. So lesson learned. I've got to not wedge an entire day's worth of work in before we dial up, because that's why I was hitting the wall for the Blur's days.

Now I'm wondering if I should get ham on my pizza.

Good. Focus on the important things. All right. Thank you, everyone, for listening. We're going to be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. So we'll see you then. In the meantime, have a great Thursday. Take care of yourselves. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

Oh, you got to keep the seat down, Cheryl. Not too much to ask to keep a seat down. Soaking wet. I hurt my back soaking wet. Power out.