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#4188 Ryobi People, Byobi People
TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

#4188 Ryobi People, Byobi People

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April 19, 2024 | 01:41:53 | Leisure, Comedy

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Luke and Andrew react to the latest Little League action as your TBTL Junior Sluggers took on the Firesharks last night. Plus, TBTL has a new A.I.-created theme song, thanks to the work of listener Steve. And Luke has a lawnmower date with a man named Terry this afternoon.
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A group of acquaintances of mine invited me to go clubbing with them this weekend, and I said, no, I don't particularly like clubbing. I instead like to spend my weekends inside playing video games. And one of them said, oh, you're not like other girls? Like, yeah, I'm not like other girls. I got low blood pressure and low blood sugar, all right? I got hit with two God chuckles right there. If I go clubbing, I don't come back. It's much like Jaws.

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T-B-T-L.

00:00:30 - 00:00:46 | Speaker 3:

guess what day it is guess what day it is it's friday friday gotta get down on friday everybody's looking forward to the weekend well i've read everything on your syllabus and how do

00:00:46 - 00:00:59 | Speaker 4:

i put this delicately it's all stupid garbage first of all a podcast takes a lot of work okay you have to organize the guests you have to do a google calendar and then you build a following it

00:00:59 - 00:01:15 | Speaker 5:

takes a long time and i've been working on it for a while if i told you once i've told you a thousand times i love you with him out of the way i think we're just going to be 360 spins and slam dunk

00:01:15 - 00:01:27 | Speaker 2:

pointers well all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a friday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live i just want to hug this show and never let it go

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my name is luke burbank i am your host another day another victory for the og coming to you from

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the madrona hill studio perched high above the mighty columbia where it's an absolutely gorgeous friday it's like i'm walking on sunshine i've already been attending to it's the weather is so nice that today i got into like um unavoidable landscaping i had gotten back from my little jog I went down to town, I got back from my jog, so I was still kind of in a state of sweatiness and kind of, you know, it was gross, basically. And so I figured, well, there's all this, I've got all these bags of soil that have been sitting on top of this cardboard that I had laid out in a kind of planter area. And I don't know why the spirit moved me, but I just thought before I take a shower, before I get into slightly better clothes, I'm going to just empty these bags of soil out and kind of rake it out and i did that this morning then i got out of the shower and i just said you know what why delay joy let's just put on our our yard working outfit so i am i'm podcasting to you the tens of listeners on an audio feed but if you could see me on the video feed you would see that i'm wearing some janky grease monkey like uh romper uh because i'm that excited about getting out and getting after some home improving here on this friday first though of course we've got to bring you episode 4188 in a collector series let the fun begin it's the first thing that's the most important thing the most important start of your day in this family not breakfast i thought you meant of things you eat anyway uh what are we gonna talk about today on the show oh you know what i was doing last night i was watching that uh documentary on netflix about the creation of the song we are the world it's so good i i cannot recommend it highly enough, mostly for the participation of one very famous singer in the whole thing that had me laughing my tuckus off last night.

00:03:37 - 00:03:39 | Speaker 4:

How funny is that? That's pretty funny.

00:03:39 - 00:03:44 | Speaker 2:

We'll talk about that. Also, the TBTL AI collaboration continues.

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Isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheets?

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So we'll hear about the latest content that the listeners are harnessing the power of ai to create for us maybe by us about us i'm not sure i haven't heard any of this yet but andrew's going to play it for us oh and um got an update on both the tbtl little sluggers and what's going on with this free lawnmower that i'm trying to give away on craigslist i wonder if that's also subconsciously part of why i wanted to put on my working guy outfit was because whoever comes over to my house to pick up a free lawnmower they're probably i mean that means they know how to fix a broken lawnmower they're probably going to be a certain kind of working working person maybe i didn't want to seem like this soft podcaster which is what i really am i wanted to seem like a kind of a tough you know guy who could fix that lawnmower if i wanted to but i just didn't want to maybe i'm cosplaying right now for whoever's going to come over to pick up this lawnmower later oh shit things are hard the big issue that i'm having right now is trying to decide who to give the lawnmower to. So we'll probably talk about that as well. And we're going to talk to this guy. Longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

00:04:58 - 00:04:58 | Speaker 5:

You want showmanship?

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You got it.

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He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

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I'm literally Googling. If you could see my Google right now, Luke, you would see that I'm Googling slang for butt. Because you said tookus earlier, but you paused before you said it. And for some reason, I thought you were going to say patootie. And then I started thinking, wait, is patootie a slang word for butt? Patootie? Am I making things up? That doesn't sound right to me, right?

00:05:28 - 00:05:30 | Speaker 1:

I've always heard patootie for butt.

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You have? You're backing me up? I'm backing you up. Oh, nice. Well, that was good. Are we done here?

00:05:38 - 00:05:42 | Speaker 1:

I hate to see you go, but I love to watch you leave, Andrew, with that patootie of yours.

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Patootie. So, okay, and you're not, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I'm not being sarcastic.

00:05:47 - 00:05:57 | Speaker 1:

If you had asked me what comes to my mind when I hear the word patootie, I think of like a kind of a cutesy way to describe someone's backside.

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But when I type in slang for butt patootie, what do I get here? Oh, okay. Well, I was spelling it wrong. Yeah, I was spelling it like a gentleman. P-I-T-U-T-Y.

00:06:11 - 00:06:14 | Speaker 1:

It's not patootie. It's patootie, right?

00:06:14 - 00:06:24 | Speaker 2:

It's P-A-T-O-O-T-I-E, which is a much more fun way. But patootie, that makes more sense. Yeah. So when you say that somebody is a cutie patootie, what does that imply?

00:06:24 - 00:07:11 | Speaker 1:

Well, it implies someone needs to go talk to HR because we don't use that kind of language with our colleagues. Sorry. Sorry, Luke. I apologize. Yeah. We have so much show to get to today, Andrew. I just realized as I was ticking through the top of the program of all the things that we want to talk about in the AI department, in the We Are the World documentary, we've got the little sluggers update, and my lawnmower thing. Where should we start? I feel like we don't have to necessarily go in any particular order. I know that people love the Little Slugger updates, so I'm tempted to delay that. But then I also know that there are some parents of Little Sluggers who only tune in for this part and even listen with some of the Little Sluggers.

00:07:12 - 00:07:19 | Speaker 2:

Do you think my patootie talk has maybe caused some issues with the parents of the young ones?

00:07:19 - 00:07:50 | Speaker 1:

It's concerning, to be sure. And what I'm thinking is, if we get to the Junior Sluggers update sooner rather than later, then there will have been less time elapsed during which we could say additional things that are not maybe appropriate for the younger set. You know what I'm saying? I'm a wild card. I'm dangerous. If we talk about the TBTL Little League team in 44 minutes from now, that's 44 minutes in which we could really say some regrettable things. So should we just get to it right now?

00:07:50 - 00:07:57 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, namely me. That's honestly what I want to hear. And also remember, we're not sweeping the quarter hour here or anything like that. There's no need to-

00:07:57 - 00:08:09 | Speaker 1:

Speak for yourself. I'm employing every single bit of radioformatic here. I'm sweeping the quarter hour. I'm forward promoting. Trying to raise our TSL. I'm madmaned right before the show.

00:08:09 - 00:08:11 | Speaker 2:

Sure. Oh, you did? Oh, wow.

00:08:11 - 00:08:13 | Speaker 1:

You don't madman before every show?

00:08:14 - 00:08:18 | Speaker 2:

Luke, do not set me up to have more potentially controversial conversations. That's a really good point.

00:08:19 - 00:08:38 | Speaker 1:

We should probably get to the update on the Junior Sluggers. Last night, the TBTL Junior Sluggers, this is from the manager, our friend Ben. Last night, the TBTL Little Sluggers had our first interleague game against the Fire Sharks of the Hollywood Rose City League.

00:08:39 - 00:08:40 | Speaker 2:

That seems unfair.

00:08:41 - 00:08:52 | Speaker 1:

They're definitely letting the players name these teams. I cannot shake this. and the fire sharks. Didn't they play the fire jaguars earlier?

00:08:53 - 00:08:55 | Speaker 2:

They played some sort of jaguars that were also scary.

00:08:55 - 00:09:14 | Speaker 1:

That were on fire, if I remember right. And we said that that would, like, at some point, render the jaguars less threatening. At some point, yeah. Initially, when they're on fire, it's like, this is doubly dangerous. But then that's going to, if you just wait them out.

00:09:14 - 00:09:21 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, just wait. Same with the sharks. Well, that's the whole question there.

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Like, how fast does the fire go out on a fire shark?

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Yeah, it seems like you're only a fire shark for a split second before you hit that water.

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The fire sharks were a foot taller than our squad if they were an inch, says Ben. The sluggers valiantly battled these Goliaths on a beautiful, clear evening, but the hour was late, and at the end of a long week, attention spans were short. I'll admit it several players were caught Drawing in the infield dirt With their cleats Or watching dandelions grow in the outfield Squirrely Real squirrely Is how one coach described the overall

00:10:00 - 00:10:06 | Speaker 2:

Team behavior. Sounds like the Mariners for their first 10, 11 games. It's real squirrely out there.

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Yeah. You got Mitch Hanager chewing on his mitt. Right.

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Throwing it up in the air and seeing how many times he can spin around before it comes back down. A disastrous second inning put the Sluggers in a deep hole. The Fire Sharks hit five consecutive dribbler hits that either bounced fair at the last minute or barely made it out of the batter's box. There were some very close, but not quite plays at first. But nothing was breaking our way. The bats were quiet most of the night with some of our most reliable hitters, notably Tommy T-Bone, not making contact. In other cases, players were robbed of hits by a very solid defense. Kudos to the Fire Shark first baseman who looked like a gold glover out there. The team didn't give up, though, and they rallied in the late part of the game, supported by a shutout inning of pitching from Amin and a steady chorus of cheers from the bench. The Sluggers clawed their way back into contention, but it was too little, too late. Final score, TBTL Little Sluggers 7, Fire Sharks 11, Andrew. The Little Sluggers have suffered their first defeat of the season. This is tough news for everybody I know. They say you learn a lot more from a loss than a win. And I learned a lot about our team culture tonight. This is still Ben, by the way. This is not me editorializing. They hung in there. They shrugged off past struggles. They remained optimistic and they cheered each other on. Hustle pins were awarded to Armani for being involved in several bang-bang plays, as well as Andreas, who always takes the time to pick up his teammates and congratulate players on their good hits, even players on the other team. Don't go too far with it, Andreas, please. The snack shack was closed by the time the game ended, so no snow cones last night. Instead, the Sluggers had to commiserate a tough loss over Capri Sun juice bags and snack-sized bags of chips. Sounds like it was a tough night all around for the team, Andrew, but a learning experience and something I think that they're going to actually come back stronger from. What do you think?

00:12:31 - 00:12:42 | Speaker 1:

I think so. And this is the way baseball works, of course, and this is on the fan base, but there's already rumblings like, will TBTL pull its funding from the Junior Sluggers?

00:12:42 - 00:12:45 | Speaker 2:

I haven't heard those rumblings. Are you starting those rumblings?

00:12:46 - 00:12:52 | Speaker 1:

No, I've been on a platform that used to be known as Twitter. Oh, no. You know how fans can be.

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That's why I had to get off of there. It was so toxic. That's right.

00:12:54 - 00:13:06 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, so I just wanted to let you know and let the fan base know. I want to quell those rumors, if that's the right word. I want to quash them. I want to squash them. That's not happening after, certainly not after one loss.

00:13:06 - 00:13:09 | Speaker 2:

Absolutely not. Two losses, I don't know. Don't push it, Sluggers.

00:13:09 - 00:13:12 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, we're going to see. We'll take it one game at a time.

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The state of our union is still strong. And, you know, it's not how many times you get knocked down. It's how many times you get back up and reach for another Capri Sun.

00:13:23 - 00:13:30 | Speaker 1:

Well, that's true, too. And also, we might have to scratch the Capri Sun line item from the budget, unfortunately.

00:13:31 - 00:13:36 | Speaker 2:

Honestly, that's going to be a week-by-week decision, our Capri Sun budget.

00:13:38 - 00:13:47 | Speaker 1:

Sounds like there is some good play out there. You know, a good rally is important. absolutely not to give up yeah to the last inning so yeah you feel like if you end on a rally you're

00:13:47 - 00:13:53 | Speaker 2:

just setting yourself up well for the next game against a team that's presumably named the laser

00:13:53 - 00:14:01 | Speaker 1:

monkeys yeah i mean fire sharks i mean the deck was stacked i every time i think i every time i

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think i couldn't love our our junior sluggers more uh i i do even in the you know in the face of defeat because you know technically their name is the blue eagles yeah blue eagles is clearly the best name in the league when compared to things like fire shark well it's the least

00:14:17 - 00:14:23 | Speaker 1:

intimidating it's the most um well we've already heard that andreas is very congratulatory even

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towards the other players the other team's players when they get hit so maybe we're killing

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them with kindness that could be the even an eye on andreas the junior slugger ways i know

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He's going Jontae Porter on it. If we find out that anybody on this team has been on DraftKings betting the under.

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Who was the Seahawk who, after a game in Dallas, literally went into the Dallas?

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Earl Thomas.

00:14:48 - 00:14:55 | Speaker 1:

Thomas, yeah. He literally went into the Dallas locker room, didn't he? He's a Texas guy, and I believe he said, yeah. He was like, hire me, or sign me, rather, yeah.

00:14:55 - 00:15:00 | Speaker 2:

Yeah. Anyway, it was a hard-fought game. Great work to the junior.

00:15:00 - 00:16:10 | Speaker 1:

your sluggers our enthusiasm remains undimmed it is funny we have so much to talk about today andrew and you just you just did something that's going to lead me on such a regrettable tangent that is it's it's it's uh it's regrettable but it's let's be honest typical for the show when you said quell and then you asked oh am i using that right or whatever uh you were you absolutely were but it reminded me of something that has been in my craw for well you know what's happened is as i already started by the show by saying i've been kind of out working in the yard a lot lately because the weather has gotten better and um frankly that is stuff that is within my ability whereas like inside the home stuff is still challenging for me um i don't know how to you know do like the plumbing or the electrical or other things that need to be done but i can whack a weed i can ride a riding lawnmower so as i've been doing all of that i have been listening to i've gotten really back into a whole thing uh with uh waxahatchee and the new waxahatchee record is really great i've been enjoying it i think it's called tiger's blood but what i've been really

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doing is getting back into isn't that the team that we're playing next week that we are we are

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um they're two feet taller than us which is something we're gonna have to really strategize for considering putting two little sluggers together in a trench coat to see if we can intimidate them. But anyway, there is a song. I love that the St. Cloud, that previous record from Waxahachie, is such a great album. Such a great album. I just love it so much to this day. I mean, when it came out, I was listening to it practically every day. I still listen to it at least a couple times a week. But there is this one song called Hell where I feel like she is really stretching the use of the term quell. And the line is, it's literally the start of the song. I'll play it for you. It's swallow my pride. That's mine to quell. I put you through hell. I put you through hell.

00:17:08 - 00:17:21 | Speaker 2:

isn't that a weird use of quell i feel like we just wanted to get to the word hell the song is

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called hell i feel like we were trying to get to a rhyme with hell but i just and i'll be on my lawnmower and i'm listening to my tunes and my big oversized airpod max things the sun is setting over the river everything in my life is perfect except this one thing which is i don't fully

00:17:39 - 00:18:04 | Speaker 2:

agree with that use of quell it's interesting so i'm the one who just asked did i use that right in the moment but i want to look up the actual definition of quell because in a certain way like i guess literally it sort of seems like yeah that could make sense hey absolutely well quell your pride like we're going like i'm not put it aside but you're right though it sticks out as it seems

00:18:04 - 00:18:20 | Speaker 1:

like it's not how it's typically it's i feel like it the construction of it is not how that's typically used i don't think it's incorrect i i think it's i'm sure i'm sure it's you know it's legal but is it moral andrew i mean and that's the bigger question that we need to ask ourselves

00:18:20 - 00:18:27 | Speaker 2:

in these important matters right right no you're right though um it's just like that i just i can

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feel like you wanted to get you want and i that's something that always mine to quell yeah like i mean it is but what is can we just for a moment what do we think the perfect use of quell is like when when would you hear quell in a song or read it in a book and feel like oh that's exactly where that word should go I think it's I think it's actually a fairly fraught word anyway how did

00:18:50 - 00:19:05 | Speaker 2:

I just use it and I'm not saying that's the poorly usage I think the proper way to use it is you say it and then you say that am I saying that right yeah am I using that right that's the old TVTL approach what did i say we needed to quell a moment ago or uh i think maybe um conversation

00:19:05 - 00:19:13 | Speaker 1:

around uh the defunding yes defunding of the tbtl junior sluggers which i want to say once again

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are rumors that have scurrilous rumors scurril as i once told the seattle weekly about reports

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that i had purloined furniture from kuow scurrilous rumors so you want to quell them you want to

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quiet them yeah quash them squash them yeah i think so i think of it as sort of a well let's let's call let's yeah let's slowly put the pillow over this and let's okay all right it got dark it got real dark what is the jinx 2 gonna be about oh you know i don't know but i have been

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seeing there's must be some media around it because you got robert jarecki doing a lot of

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interviews like yeah this genevieve said that she she said oh the jinx 2 is coming out i'm like even jinxier

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he goes into a different

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bathroom and forgets he's mic'd i believe he died right robert durst yeah i looked it up because

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vives didn't remember them like yeah i think he died in prison a couple years ago which he did what if it was called the jinx 2 chipwrecked

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it's just they just keep micing up people that are under suspicion and then giving them way way too much water and just hoping for another breakthrough or someone goes to the bathroom But in the midst of the whole thing I've just been seeing these headlines I have such a weird News consumption Diet because of Doing this for a job And also I guess just being kind of generally curious About what's going on I'm taking in news all the time But sometimes it's just on my phone As I'm waiting in line at the dry cleaner Sometimes it's sitting down at my laptop And systematically going through The New York Times or Seattle Times But I'll just see these headlines And I sensed there was something in the air going on with robert jarecki but i couldn't tell you what it was but it was like uh jinx director says he felt bad for robert durst when he heard him muttering into the microphone and then this i was like oh there's got to be something going on because why am i just generally getting a

00:21:08 - 00:22:39 | Speaker 1:

vibration around the jinx again oh speaking of things that are in the air and oh my god i didn't i legitimately didn't even mean that as a pun but you will learn in a moment that that is a very funny sentence because i want to go back to our lawn chair larry conversation yesterday one big correction i must make and one dazzling detail that i learned after the show so you and i were talking about lawn chair larry a man who i believe in the 70s maybe the 80s uh attached a bunch of balloons to a lawn chair and went into the sky with a pellet gun the pellet gun was to shoot the balloons as he wanted to land yeah um and we're talking about that story uh our listeners like to wish him a happy blurs day around this time of year which is why i came up once again for three or four years in a row um and we were mentioning the beautiful photo of the lawn chair dangling from this arrangement of huge beautiful multi-colored balloons in the sky in a perfectly blue sky with some white puffy clouds around it i was like what an absolutely perfect photo of lawn chair larry and then i revealed to you and the listeners that i use a tiny tiny little version of that exact photo as the little like icon in the browser tab of tbtl.net it was a easter egg i hid there a while back that's not lawn chair larry that is an example of lawn chair floating or whatever oh that makes so much more because it would be black and white that that

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photo it's like well i think they had color photography in the well that's true but yeah

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that is true but all the news footage i've seen of him are more like grainy black and white

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newspaper photos and if he was using weather balloons my guess is that they are those might not be selected for their beautiful you know color and like yeah that picture that we're using is so striking and beautiful but it would make more sense that it was part of some festival of lawn chair ballooning where the people wanted to also look really cool while doing it yes so this is a

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They use this photo as an example of cluster ballooning inspired by Larry Walter's experience, although his was not the first, according to Wikipedia. And they use this beautiful photo, which was actually I used it as our show pick yesterday and sourced back to a photographer on Flickr. So anyway, I wanted to I wanted to correct that. I will not change the website. I wanted to quell that. But also, this is slightly less interesting, if you can believe it. As our listeners pointed out yesterday, this is a special birthday this year, a special anniversary of his birth, Lawn Chair Larry, because it would be his 75th birthday, I believe. And I guess inspired by that, when I typed in his name and did a news search yesterday, there is a musical being produced about him that is opening, I believe, this weekend or something in Britain. So some British like, you know, writer and musician wanted to commemorate the life and times of Lawn Chair Larry. So you might be seeing more and more of that in your headline.

00:24:10 - 00:24:22 | Speaker 2:

That's an interesting. England seems pretty far away from the El Segundo area of of L.A. It's interesting that it's a British production of that.

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But yeah, one of the leads I actually read was something like Lawn Chair Larry finally made it over to Europe, Implying that he floated over there But no it's his legacy That has landed on the other shores

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Well thank you for clarifying that I still think it's a great picture And I'm still very glad that we're using it

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And do you know that his chair The chair that was actually That he was sitting in That was lifted Is in the National Air and Space Museum

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No I kind of think that's a bad idea Because as much fun as we like to have With lawn chair Larry I don't think we should be Encouraging more people To Like we're celebrating It's one thing for us a couple of galoots to celebrate.

00:25:00 - 00:25:08 | Speaker 3:

him and our listeners to celebrate him it's another thing for like the national air and space museum to be like and here's the lawn chair where a guy endangered hundreds of flights trying

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to land at lax yeah i guess that's the unfun take and also who you call it a galoot um okay let's

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thank some dazzling donors and then um i want to talk about i actually want to i'm going to try something it's i'm sure going to be a terrible idea but i'm going to send you a um uh a video of me last night watching this We Are The World documentary so that you can see what I was seeing and then I'll I'll play that as well I made it for Addy because Addy was the one who hit me to the This We Are The World doc and so I watched it last night and then I made I videotaped myself watching it to send to her anyway I want to do that and do some TBTLAI conversation as well so that's all after we thank these dazzling donors

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we was hoping for some razzle dazzle razzle dazzle That's right, man. Razzle, dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle, dazzle.

00:26:07 - 00:27:19 | Speaker 3:

All right, let's thank some of those dazzling donors who are donating a dazzling amount of dough, keeping TBTL in business. We want to thank Nicole Keith in Albany, New York. It's more of a Utica thing. isn't uh wait no uh the tbtl employee numero uno john sklaroff he's not from albany he's from westchester i think kind of okay i was gonna because albany i actually had i think this might have come up last time we were thanking someone in albany i was calling it albany for a long time when i lived in new york and when i would sometimes go up there for stories because state capital and um it was it was a dead giveaway that i did not come from there that i was not i It was not a local because I was saying it wrong. But I think it's Albany. I know it's where Nicole Keith is. Nicole says, I have an old dog, a 16-year-old Shih Tzu, who's almost entirely blind and deaf, but is so sweet and is living still a very happy and comfortable life. I adore him, and I refuse to think about a time when he won't be around. I encourage you to refuse to think about that, Nicole. What's the benefit of feeling sad now and feeling sad later? Let's just feel sad once.

00:27:20 - 00:28:26 | Speaker 2:

You know, Luke, I was hanging out last night with a friend and his daughter. That's pretty nice. And one of the daughters is about 13 years old, and they have a cat named Chase. I believe you've met this cat, but I'm leaving names out just because we're talking about kids, and I don't know what the privacy protocols are around that. But, you know, these folks, they're amazing kids. And we went to a show. We actually went to see Sheermag over at the Vera Project last night. It was a lot of fun. It was the girls' first rock and roll show. it's pretty intense but they loved it um but i was scared of the punk rock opener but they loved it um but anyway um they have the the girls have this great cat named chase and um we were talking somebody brought up the topic of dogs and my friend's daughter said to me uh oh yeah i would like a dog so much but i love my cat i love my cat so much i'm like yeah you have a great cat chase is great i'm like chase is so snuggly she's like yeah he's the best cat in the world i'm just gonna be so sad when he dies and i just i said well don't you know he's still got a lot of years like i don't think he's particularly old and it's sort of um the funny thing is is like

00:28:26 - 00:28:29 | Speaker 3:

if anything be worried for your dad i've seen his cholesterol

00:28:29 - 00:29:33 | Speaker 2:

you know the thing that made me sad about that was that's sort of how i think and when i think about my little bingo and i'm like oh i love you so much and maybe having having gone through losing a cat you know somewhat recently in the past several years and how sad i was about that so it's hard for me sometimes not to look at bingo and think someday you'll be an old cat who's limping or someday and hopefully he will be an old cat that's limping you know you want you hopefully will have a lot of years but sometimes i do think like boy it'll be it'll be super sad when you eventually go and i'm like why would i think that about a cat that hasn't celebrated his second birthday yet why would i be doing that and so out of out of the mouth of somebody who is 13 years old i it kind of bummed me out that that and i almost i blamed myself for some reason i'm like no i don't think i can blame myself for the way humans brains work but i wanted i wanted to do whatever i could to say well don't don't already fast forward to be thinking about when you have to think about the end of your pet's life but i mean that i think

00:29:33 - 00:29:59 | Speaker 3:

it's a natural human um it's it's a natural sort of human response to things because they you know I mean, I think it's described as hypervigilance or there's other terms for it where basically we feel anxious because there's something that we don't want to have happen. But our brain is telling us incorrectly that if we worry about it enough, it will somehow give us more control over the situation. And therefore, we don't have to be so anxious about it. But it doesn't have that effect.

00:30:00 - 00:31:16 | Speaker 2:

just the anxiousness just kind of snowballs. But I've actually been thinking about that a lot lately, just about various things that go on in life and that have been going on in my life where I'm like, you know, why not just be worried about that when it happens instead of being worried about it before it happens. And it might not even happen. You know what I mean? Like, like I thought, boy, wouldn't it be, I actually kind of hate this way of describing things. Like my superpower is a little, it's a little not my style, but I thought what if I could make that what if I could if I could if I could make it so that like I just didn't worry about stuff as much and I turned that off in my brain and I'm just like something made me feel anxious and I thought well if that happens I guess I'll deal with it but there's no use to being worried about it right now like wouldn't that change my life drastically like we're never going to get to the point where there's nothing to worry about in our life but if we could create some kind of a little reminder system and I mean it sounds like you're even kind of doing that like if you catch yourself worrying about you know what it's going to be like when bingo is old just reminding yourself okay well that is going to happen but but being sad about it now and sad about it then is just being sad about it twice when you could be only sad about it once and that just seems like a way that's like half the amount of sadness i just

00:31:16 - 00:31:51 | Speaker 1:

did that math right in my head and you know maybe there's a maybe the double-edged sword of that a little bit or maybe the let me rephrase that and say maybe the other side of that coin is A little bit of in the moment, knowing that these moments won't last forever is a good thing. Sure. Like appreciate the moment now because you know that these moments with your pet, whoever it may be, whether it's Chase or Bingo or U.S. Bank. I don't know if Nicole shared the name of her shih tzu, but U.S. Bank Field, American Family Insurance Field.

00:31:51 - 00:31:53 | Speaker 2:

Wells Fargo, my gerbil.

00:31:53 - 00:32:10 | Speaker 1:

but um you know maybe maybe that's part of life too is is knowing that the moments we have with loved ones or love pets or whatever um won't last forever so you can take a little bit of extra maybe emotion in the moment but you don't want to you don't want to tilt too far in that direction

00:32:10 - 00:33:09 | Speaker 2:

yeah it's like it's like you know it's like when something really nice you're right it's nice to be present and it's nice to try to appreciate the nice moments um and be in those moments and sometimes part of appreciating them is realizing that they that they're not uh you know infinite there is a finite supply of them but somehow balancing that with also not then just missing the chance to enjoy them because you're already moved into the phase of sadness about the fact that someday it won't be the case which actually reminds me of something interesting that lionel richie said last night andrew in the we are the world documentary which i want to talk about in a minute first so let's continue on with nicole's message uh nicole says not to compare you to my old ass dog but I've been listening since 2010 and I also refuse to entertain the idea that you won't be around forever donating is how I try to keep you around as long as possible I would say you could be sad twice for us because that makes me feel like you're paying more attention and I am okay with that

00:33:09 - 00:33:21 | Speaker 1:

or you know what don't feel sad twice donate twice no no I don't even like to joke around about that when the people have already donated so much money.

00:33:21 - 00:33:43 | Speaker 2:

Yes, exactly. Nicole says, recently you were talking about H. John Benjamin, and I recall that Andrew years ago once mentioned he regretted using an Archer clip in a show opener because it was too inappropriate. I thought about that for years, and whenever I watch Archer, I try to guess what the clip was. I know you're trying to be more family-friendly. We've already used the term patootie today, Nicole.

00:33:45 - 00:33:47 | Speaker 1:

We have the explicit reading all dialed up. I mean, forget it.

00:33:47 - 00:34:14 | Speaker 2:

Might as well get it all out on this episode Because it's already been completely sullied by Andrew I tried to guess what that clip was I know you're trying to be more family friendly And you don't have to play it But if you happen to remember It would really scratch a mental itch Or maybe you can just play a drop that made me laugh The last time I heard it Get out of here You don't know Blink-182 Love you guys Thanks for what you do I think that must be something from an intro package I don't think I know the Blink-182 drop

00:34:14 - 00:34:16 | Speaker 1:

That rings zero

00:34:16 - 00:34:18 | Speaker 2:

Oh, I was hoping you knew what that was.

00:34:18 - 00:34:22 | Speaker 1:

Okay, so let's address the archer in the room.

00:34:22 - 00:34:23 | Speaker 2:

I have a theory, by the way.

00:34:23 - 00:34:59 | Speaker 1:

Can I have a guess? The archer one? I know the archer one. Right, I was just going to guess that to see if I could. Well, you can guess, but I mean, if you guess correctly, I know you well enough that you can't repeat it, or at least the details of it, because I won't play it. Goatly. it's related to that character but it's actually the robot yes it's the robot nicole here's what i'll say to nicole in a clean way if you're somebody who watches a lot of archer and you hear a line that is related to the song mr roboto by sticks that is

00:35:00 - 00:35:07 | Speaker 4:

the basis of the joke you've just said it's not over 100 people to the internet so i don't know

00:35:07 - 00:35:44 | Speaker 2:

like archer mr roboto joke exactly so i don't know if that's a standout joke enough that people have isolated it and put it on google or i'm sorry put it on youtube which is owned by google um but nicole if you're still like if you're still like kind of you know really champing at the bit to hear it i will email it to you if you get at me andrew at tbtl.net i don't mind emailing I'm not going to get you put on some kind of watch list anymore. Also, don't email me if you don't want it. I'm not going to force it on anybody, but I can send you the tape. I won't play it here or Google what I told you to Google. Maybe you'll find it. Having said that, Blink-182, I have no idea. I thought that was one of yours, Luke.

00:35:44 - 00:35:54 | Speaker 4:

Get out of here. You don't know Blink-182? I mean, I can try to search. I mean, part of the problem is my audio. Let's see. Get. Hold on. Get out.

00:35:54 - 00:36:01 | Speaker 2:

I'm looking on my end, too. Oh, I have an intro number.

00:36:01 - 00:36:06 | Speaker 4:

All the get out of here I have is just Jack Rebney, a.k.a. Winnebago Man. Get out of here, you flies.

00:36:07 - 00:36:23 | Speaker 2:

Here, let me listen to this. This is not Blink-182. This just happens to be the intro I made that is number 182. And I believe our intro numbers are up to 990-something now. So this is going back a long ways, which means it could also be inappropriate.

00:36:23 - 00:36:31 | Speaker 1:

why should you listen to new infinite guest podcast tbtl here's the list of things from

00:36:31 - 00:37:12 | Speaker 2:

a to z do you remember when we infinite guest was what the name of the podcast studio at american public media was when we were hired there back in 2015 and i don't know if you remember this luke but as we made the transition from being independent at the time to joining the infinite guest podcast network we asked our listeners to call in with voicemails to tell all of the legions of new listeners who are going to flock to us to like help invite them in because apm would put so much you know marketing yeah uh whatever happened behind us i think we're super popular now and so we asked listeners to um call in and help all of the new listeners kind of get you know acquainted

00:37:12 - 00:37:37 | Speaker 1:

with her style why should you listen to new infinite guest podcast tbtl here's the list of things from a to z awesome things banging that thing cooking with sean doug schreckengost eagle soaring ferry boats grammar hodor internet juggalos koreatown luke mystery solvers not

00:37:37 - 00:37:46 | Speaker 4:

wait how was i not a i don't think you even did you even get in there anywhere i don't think so

00:37:46 - 00:37:54 | Speaker 3:

it's like wait yeah l is luke how come andrew was a oscars pristine quokas rushmore sportball

00:37:54 - 00:38:05 | Speaker 1:

tiny wigs uber various other things woodenville washington you didn't even get walsh time bands of things why did they not give the ball to marshall

00:38:05 - 00:38:13 | Speaker 4:

that was good by the way i mean that was really good other than the complete andrew erasure that

00:38:13 - 00:38:31 | Speaker 2:

went on it's okay i try to erase myself too so yeah we don't need the listeners helping you're doing a good enough job all on your own i will say that did not get us any closer to the get out of here you don't know blink 182 drop i have no idea maybe the listeners can help on this i'm Sorry, I feel like I'm really letting Nicole down today.

00:38:31 - 00:39:13 | Speaker 4:

I, you know, I mean, maybe that was something I played. Like I said, part of the problem is that I have, you know, my, like, list of audio drops has been migrating from computer to computer. And so, you know, maybe that was something that was on. I will later, when I go in down into the house, I will get out the other laptop and see if I can find a Blink-182 drop that maybe I forgot about that I thought was funny or something. But, Nicole, I'm glad that at least you are going to get a little clarity. You're going to get the itch scratched related to the Archer thing. Don't be mad at us when you find out that it is, in fact, deeply upsetting. Okay. They did put on the FX network.

00:39:14 - 00:39:50 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly. You know what I'll bet you this is? Because I was sitting here, like, kind of puzzling this out. I'm like, I don't think I would have a Blink-182 drop because I don't even quite get the reference. I know it's one of those bands people make a lot of fun of, but there's a bunch of bands from that era that are like shortcuts for me, or that people use as shortcuts for like bad music, but I can never keep them straight. So I don't gravitate towards Blink-182. I can't think of a Blink-182 song right now. I was about to say that to you, and it occurred to me, I wonder if this drop is a drop of you saying, get out of here. You don't know Blink-182? It could have been something that was marsupial gurgled.

00:39:50 - 00:39:53 | Speaker 4:

Oh, okay. That's possible.

00:39:54 - 00:39:58 | Speaker 2:

That's interesting. I'm going to do a little research on that maybe as the show progresses.

00:39:58 - 00:39:59 | Speaker 4:

All right. Well, thank you, Nicole.

00:40:00 - 00:40:00 | Speaker 1:

Maestro? We appreciate it.

00:40:01 - 00:40:06 | Speaker 2:

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go.

00:40:08 - 00:40:13 | Speaker 1:

It's our friend, Kenneth Nay in Ypsilanti, Michigan.

00:40:14 - 00:40:15 | Speaker 2:

Kenneth.

00:40:15 - 00:40:15 | Speaker 1:

Hey, Kenneth.

00:40:15 - 00:40:17 | Speaker 2:

I know Kenneth a lot at various live events.

00:40:17 - 00:40:18 | Speaker 1:

We love Kenneth.

00:40:19 - 00:40:22 | Speaker 2:

Tried to break into a restaurant and steal a knife once at a TVTL event.

00:40:22 - 00:40:23 | Speaker 1:

I remember that.

00:40:24 - 00:40:24 | Speaker 2:

I mean.

00:40:24 - 00:40:26 | Speaker 1:

He was recently released, right?

00:40:26 - 00:40:27 | Speaker 2:

Yes.

00:40:27 - 00:40:33 | Speaker 1:

That's how he was able to be a dazzling donor. He's back out amongst us, the general public.

00:40:33 - 00:40:37 | Speaker 2:

That's not exactly what happened, but that's how I like to remember it.

00:40:37 - 00:40:43 | Speaker 1:

That was a wild night. I think I ducked out early on that wild night. And all kinds of, yeah, what city was that? Was that Austin?

00:40:43 - 00:40:44 | Speaker 2:

That was in Florida. Florida.

00:40:44 - 00:40:46 | Speaker 1:

Was that after Waffle House?

00:40:47 - 00:41:10 | Speaker 2:

It was after Waffle House. Then we went to some tap room or something, some beer place. And then I think somebody brought cake. Yeah, I think it was Lydia brought cake. But we didn't have a way of cutting it. Oh, gotcha. And so there was a restaurant across the way that was closed, and I think Kenneth was sort of tapping on the windows trying to get some worker's attention inside to see if we could borrow a knife. And Ken is a very tall person, right, Kenneth?

00:41:11 - 00:41:13 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, he's definitely a tall guy.

00:41:13 - 00:41:19 | Speaker 2:

I could see that being sort of an intimidating situation if you're at a restaurant after hours cleaning up.

00:41:19 - 00:41:20 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, Ken, you're too tall for knife borrowing.

00:41:21 - 00:41:25 | Speaker 2:

I hate to break it to you, tall king. Exactly.

00:41:25 - 00:42:09 | Speaker 1:

Kenneth says, hey, friendos, I was excited to be able to dazzle for the first time when TBTL went independent. I like the new TBTL shirts. They look good, and they fit great. Anyhoo, I'd like to congratulate the Michigan Wolverines for winning the National Football Championship for the first time since 97. Sorry that Michigan beat the Huskies, but it was a pretty good game. The Lions were also great to watch, but their playoff collapse against San Francisco hurt. Ken, I want to tell you that, you know, I'm a UW guy, so when the University of Washington lost to Michigan in the National Championship game, I was, you know, kind of disappointed, but it made me at least happy that your team was winning. I'm not even kidding. I thought of listener Ken Ney on that night because I was like, well, I'm happy that Ken is happy.

00:42:09 - 00:42:10 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's nice.

00:42:10 - 00:42:38 | Speaker 1:

And I'm very pro Detroit Lions as long as they're not playing the Seahawks. I would love nothing more than to have seen them obliterate the San Francisco 49ers. Peace and love to our listeners in the Bay Area. But anyway, Ken says, I have met a lot of really cool tens going to a myriad live shows, including St. Paul, Chicago, Austin, Orlando, Columbus, Mississippi, and Port Townsend for the Thing Festival. Geez, Ken.

00:42:38 - 00:42:38 | Speaker 2:

Oh, that's right. Yes.

00:42:39 - 00:43:14 | Speaker 1:

That is a that's a lot of TBTL travel. And if I remember right, sometimes Ken, I think for the Thing Festival, I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that Ken flew into Seattle, drove out for our show, maybe stayed over for a few hours. And then I don't know if he actually, if all the motels and hotels were sold out or he didn't bring a tent. I feel like there was some crazy thing where he was, like, just staying up for one entire day and then just going back to the airport and then flying home. Like, it was one of those real—

00:43:14 - 00:43:15 | Speaker 2:

That rings a bell.

00:43:15 - 00:43:25 | Speaker 1:

It was some kind of a crazy, punishing travel schedule, mostly built around just seeing me and you, and Chris Gethard, it would turn out, do our little thing there at the Thing Festival.

00:43:26 - 00:43:28 | Speaker 2:

That's right, yes. And an illusionist.

00:43:29 - 00:43:47 | Speaker 1:

The greatest illusion ever was that he was going to end on time. the greatest lie the devil ever told was that this guy was going to wrap his shit up in a timely fashion but that's neither here nor there I would like oh let's see Nick Armies how do we say Nick's last name? Arms? I think you got it

00:43:47 - 00:43:49 | Speaker 2:

Armies? Nick Armies and his no no Arm

00:43:49 - 00:44:24 | Speaker 1:

Nick Arms and his perfect daddy Jake were great to meet in Chicago and I still think about Nick dressing up as a hot dog at the Waffle House this would be before the knife incident I'd like to end this message I added that part So I would like to end this message by taking you by asking you to do a live show in Michigan or Cleveland. The tens could go to Cedar Point. It is the best thing in Ohio for sure. You have tens of Michigan listeners, too. I hope to meet John in person as well. Power out. Listener Ken. That is a great recommendation. Yeah, it's on our list. Certainly Cleveland is on the list.

00:44:24 - 00:44:30 | Speaker 2:

I mean, it's what if we did it at what if we did it at Cedar Point in Sandusky, Ohio, America's roller coast.

00:44:31 - 00:44:39 | Speaker 1:

Listen, man, that sounds like a blast. I'd be totally down for that. Would you take the, what's the name of the big roller coaster there?

00:44:40 - 00:44:48 | Speaker 2:

Well, now they've got a bunch of ones. It was the, I mean, at one point, the Millennium Falcon. No, wait, no, that's the spaceship.

00:44:49 - 00:44:55 | Speaker 1:

That's the thing Han Solo and Chewie fly, I think. It could have been named for that.

00:44:55 - 00:44:59 | Speaker 2:

It was like the Millennium 1000. I don't know. At one point it was. Because you did a story about it.

00:45:00 - 00:45:18 | Speaker 1:

exactly and i was one of the very first people in the world on that roller coaster because i was there for media day um and that was when i went on roller coasters and now i'm too scared to go on them and also now they've built around it even i mean i don't know if you know this about roller coasters luke but like they don't stop getting bigger like i don't know eventually

00:45:18 - 00:45:51 | Speaker 2:

when are they going to stop like when it hits the moon i also don't want to undermine or in any way imperil financially the rollercoaster industry of America but I will tell you what these days you strap on some of them VR glasses and you watch a look I was just in the sphere watching that movie that Aronofsky film where it was like all this cool drone footage like you could basically like I think you can get 90% of the experience of a rollercoaster now without ever getting on a rollercoaster

00:45:51 - 00:46:07 | Speaker 1:

I'm getting it right now I'm watching the Millennium Force official point of view video here. Notice it's not even that much of the clicking of chains. It was a new style of chains getting to the top of the hill here. We're getting really close to the top. I don't even need the visuals.

00:46:07 - 00:46:09 | Speaker 2:

I'm feeling nervous. Here we go.

00:46:10 - 00:46:37 | Speaker 1:

Here we go. Oh, beautiful view of the lake. Oh, you come right down that highway, too. Oh, my goodness gracious. It is. You know what? I'm too scared to go on this stuff. anymore but this is just an incredible park man i'm proud that you were brave enough to watch it on youtube well i'm getting braver every day hey thanks ken for supporting the show we will

00:46:37 - 00:46:57 | Speaker 2:

see you soon at a tb till live event i promise hello and welcome to top story oh man andrew We've still got three large sections of content to try to address. And I'm not sure how we're going to do all of this. Three.

00:46:57 - 00:46:58 | Speaker 1:

What are the three?

00:46:58 - 00:47:36 | Speaker 2:

Well, one is the update on my lawnmower. Oh, yeah. And what's going on with that. And I'll just summarize here. What happened was yesterday I tried to post. I have this old, junky Honda lawnmower, which was going to be a big hassle to get it running again. and I decided that I was going to buy a little tiny electric push mower and just give this one away. So I thought I listed it for free on Craigslist yesterday and I got no responses and I was like, that's really strange. And then I realized, oh, there's an email they send you to confirm that you're not a bot.

00:47:36 - 00:47:37 | Speaker 1:

Not a real person, yeah.

00:47:37 - 00:47:56 | Speaker 2:

But that went to my spam folder. So last night at like 10.30 as I'm getting ready for bed and I'm going, huh, that's weird. I got no emails about this lawnmower. I hit I go in my spam folder I'm like oh there it is and I confirm this thing So then it goes live And when I got up this morning I had like 30 people emailing me about it

00:47:56 - 00:47:57 | Speaker 1:

Oh wow

00:47:57 - 00:48:01 | Speaker 2:

It turns out everybody wants a free lawnmower And what's crazy is

00:48:01 - 00:48:03 | Speaker 1:

This time of year too huh

00:48:03 - 00:49:33 | Speaker 2:

Right exactly and there's a whole As opposed to the refrigerator Refrigerator That I gave away On Craigslist That was kind of tough like it was sort of like not a lot of responses and then eventually some, but then people were flaky and had questions. This is just like, I've probably gotten 30 emails now free Honda lawnmower just like, and there's a whole range of the, how sort of what's the word I'm looking for? How involved the request is. So some people are just like, do you have it? You know, like there are people that are just like still have it like all lowercase. no punctuation just still have it still have it still have it those people i'm immediately like i'm just they're off the list i don't know why i want a little bit more like if i'm trying to say i mean i deserve this lawnmower i mean i know that sounds insane but how am i supposed to decide i first thing i did was i responded to the first person who emailed me i just thought well that's the fair way to do it and of course this is what happens when you try to give away stuff for free And this is something you said Genevieve has experienced and pointed out. People will email you about this. You still have it? And then, like, I emailed back this guy named Kevin. And I said, hey, I still have it. What time do you think you'd want to come get it today? That was at, like, 7 this morning. Nothing. No response. So it's like, did he get a lawnmower between 1.09 a.m. and 7.30 this morning?

00:49:33 - 00:50:17 | Speaker 1:

I literally don't understand it. And I don't do it a lot myself. But Genevieve will put stuff up on Craigslist, like you said. And she just you just know that 90 percent of the people are just going to flake on you. And that goes for buyers and sellers like you'll write and say, hey, I'm interested in this thing. Can I come pick it up? And maybe they'll write back. Yes. And then never respond again. Like, I don't understand. Like, who are these people who saw it in the moment or still have it and then just move on to their next. adventure and by the way the hours that the actual time of day is what's so fascinating about this this post went live at like 10 30 p.m 1 a.m or something i get a message from kevin and then 7 and a 7 a.m i respond to him and somehow between 1 a.m and 7 a.m he has solved his lawnmower problem

00:50:17 - 00:50:23 | Speaker 2:

well or he's a night owl and he's doing all this craig list uh-huh inquiries at night and maybe

00:50:23 - 00:52:32 | Speaker 1:

he's yeah so it's like so but what i i know this maybe maybe this seems kind of weird that i care like i i in a way i don't care who gets this lawnmower but i will be honest with you when someone's just like still have it and then someone else is like i got this one guy that reached out um who said i'll see if i can find it here amidst all these messages uh a guy named frank he said i'm retired and i can use the mower frank now i got a whole backstory on frank yeah like but the problem is i had already sent a message to um let's see who is this other guy uh who actually is coming down now terry you don't run into a lot of terry's anymore andrew i use it as a go-to kind of shorthand for a name but um i terry's coming down to get it so here's what happened i before i saw frank the retiree's message i had responded to terry and here's what i liked about Terry's message. Got a little bit of explanation. He, first of all, they live close by. That was another thing. I was like, I didn't want it to be somebody coming from Portland where it's a bit of a drive. I don't know if they're actually going to come up. I don't want to be waiting around. Like I wanted somebody who was in the area because then they'll just come over and grab it. It felt like it was just going to be less hassle for me. And I got just enough info from Terry. Terry said, good morning. I'm interested in the Honda lawnmower that you've posted on Craigslist. My wife is looking for a push mower. You'll like that, Andrew. He called it a push mower yeah my wife is looking for a push mower to mow the front yard if this is available we could pick this up today thanks for your time and consideration terry and then he puts his he puts his town he's in and his phone number now that is that that makes a girl feel special that's a proper yeah like i know he's not a weird i know that this isn't the beginning of a scam where i have to somehow put two thousand dollars in an account for someone to come get the free lawnmower at least i feel pretty confident about that or the scammers have gotten really good i just just terry just seemed like a solid dude he's relatively close by got a backstory called it a push mower which i felt like really validated you in the conversation we had yesterday out of

00:52:32 - 00:52:36 | Speaker 2:

curiosity only because like you keep bringing that up i don't understand what the alternative

00:52:36 - 00:53:36 | Speaker 1:

is what would you call it if it weren't a push mower a lawnmower is i think i think what i oh oh interesting okay cool see what i when i was growing up i actually mowed lawns but i never had a lot like you know my name in my neighborhood but i never had a lawnmower that like used gasoline i had what i always called a push mower i think what my dad called a push mower meaning the kind that like you fit you push it it's got a round um blade i think it's called a reel i learned that yesterday too and that is what you know cuts the lawn it's actually very satisfying in a certain way but it's a lot of work and i had like the world's crappiest push mower rusty rusty i don't even think it had rubber on the wheels i mean what a dickensian upbringing i had but um so i think because i heard my dad call that a push mower when i was a kid that's always what i think of as a push mower and to me a lawnmower is the kind that you put gas in and it starts and it has power

00:53:36 - 00:53:40 | Speaker 2:

that's the kind you sit so then i'm like oh well then what would you call the kind you sit on but

00:53:40 - 00:53:49 | Speaker 1:

riding riding low a riding mower yeah and i'm not saying that i'm correct in this i'm just saying those are the ways my brain has always categorized i was just curious as you said it here again i'm

00:53:49 - 00:53:54 | Speaker 2:

like oh yeah what else would you call it i see okay a lawnmower versus a riding mower and also

00:53:54 - 00:54:06 | Speaker 1:

i think that has to do for me with the fact that i just grew up in like the city with the tiniest tiniest yard so no one even had a riding mower so there was no like when you said in the poorest

00:54:06 - 00:54:12 | Speaker 2:

sections of london in 18 i did i was i don't even know 1860s i don't even know well i would go

00:54:12 - 00:54:46 | Speaker 1:

through the gutter looking for bits of coal that were too small for the other urchids to pick up but if i got enough of them together i was able to get just a little crust of stale bread to bring home to the family lucula's ashes that's the name of my story anyway so so i had responded to terry i said hey terry what time do you think you'll be able to come by thanks l and then like two seconds later uh this is now 8 36 a.m which now seems maybe early for this when i tell you the next part we just lit a brush pile on fire which i would not want to leave just yet nope uh i could

00:54:46 - 00:54:51 | Speaker 2:

be there right after lunch though if that would be okay terry you've got a live one man oh no no

00:54:51 - 00:55:34 | Speaker 1:

i'm terry's on the way this is the problem terry and presumably his wife are like are going to be here any minute because what happened was I said, all right, well, I said, it sounds good. I should be around after 12 p.m. for most of the afternoon. I don't know why every single time that we do TBTL, I think it's going to be the one day that we're done one hour after the beginning of the show, the alleged start time of the show, which I pushed back today, by the way. But anytime I, I should just be so much more of a time realist like you are. Anytime I'm trying to deal with someone and I think, well, we start TBTL at 10 a.m., it's about an hour to an hour and a half. I should be done by, you know, noon. i should go let's add two hours to that always always and also we i mean we did dial up later

00:55:34 - 00:55:49 | Speaker 2:

than usual we always do a sound check sometimes that sound check becomes a check-in yeah we end up talking about the state of modern media we solved all of the world's problems we talked for like at least 45 minutes before we've been no and the fact that and the fact that we did a whole

00:55:49 - 00:56:31 | Speaker 1:

podcast that nobody will ever hear 4188 times later that hasn't sunk in for me yet it's shocking So then I said If you want to message me when you're about to leave I'll send over the address I don't know why I was like I can't send Terry the address until I know he's on the way What's he going to do with it And then I get another update From about a half hour ago We're eating lunch now and we will head your way soon It would be about 50 minutes For us to get there depending on the address So then I sent him the address And now we're in the window We're in the window of time for terry and his wife to get here post lunch but i just i already feel like posted photos of this

00:56:31 - 00:56:36 | Speaker 2:

thing right you made this thing sound like a real broke-ass lawnmower well you know it's funny this

00:56:36 - 00:56:51 | Speaker 1:

morning when i was in home depot i walked by the exact same lawnmower but just the brand new version literally like no difference it's just the lawnmower i'm giving away if you bought it new 529 no wonder people want this thing i mean the fact that there's even they're still making this

00:56:51 - 00:56:57 | Speaker 2:

model makes it more modern than i thought i was picturing this thing being from the 80s okay no

00:56:57 - 00:57:29 | Speaker 1:

no i well i also didn't know how current it was in this in the you know the whatever the world of lawnmowers but it is very current because i literally saw one this morning um which was and by the way you know where it was sitting where there had been boxes of ryobi push mowers it was like it was like the life cycle of you know the circle of life it was like all the right all the ryobi mowers like the ones i bought that were on black friday sale had all been sold off and now sitting there is a brand new version of this honda mower that i'm currently trying to give away back

00:57:29 - 00:57:45 | Speaker 2:

at my house so and i forgot to use this somebody called me out you know we had a good subject line like what was it something like ryobi ryobi people biobi people or something like that and maybe we can trot that out again for today since you've raised the specter of ryobi again that was i have

00:57:45 - 00:59:51 | Speaker 1:

to say that wasn't that was not my worst considering that was just right off the dome yes um but uh but so yeah i guess my point in all this is i think we've i think it turns out that a free lawnmower that's still a semi-working condition is a hot item and that people will beat a path they used to say build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door this is like a giveaway a semi-working honda lawnmower in the world here in southern washington will be the path to your door um the bigger problem is that i've got the retiree i've got other people that are saying like i mean if i read you some of these andrews some of these backstories about the lawnmower are like pretty involved let me see it's a lot of people that have like a similar one and they're like but it just broke the other day so if i can get uh this one it'll really get me out of a couple of jams because i can like replace um you know i can replace uh basically i'll be able to continue mowing my lawn if i can get this from you because the one that i have broke but i can replace this one part and it's like the stories are more involved than anything i've ever given away like in other words man i didn't know people did that the people auditioning to be the recipient of the lawnmower you can really tell what the perceived value is of something nobody did this for the refrigerator nobody was like please my food is all getting warm i have my food is in coolers right now and if i can just get this refrigerator refrigerator refrigerator fridge refrigerator if i can just get that like no one gave me i don't want to call it a sob story but no one did the exact thing that i would typically do which is if i want something i feel like if i can put my spin on the ask if i can kind of be mr nice guy mr whatever guy it will cause the person who's reading through all these things to kind of be like well maybe i'll give it to this dude he seems like a nice guy that's what i would do In other times I've given away stuff on Craigslist, there's never been that kind of interest. And this is totally that thing. I've got like at least six or seven pretty well-written semi-involved notes that are like basically making the case for why they would like to have the lawnmower.

00:59:52 - 01:00:16 | Speaker 2:

Wow. I didn't. That is that is astounding. I'm going to tell Genevieve about that because I didn't think that anybody wrote anything on Craigslist other than still got it. never to respond the still goddess didn't even get they just didn't even get no more than a it must be like what it's like being um online dating and being desirable at online dating which is something i would never know about but like you can just like people were posting photos

01:00:16 - 01:00:23 | Speaker 1:

where they cut the old lawnmower out of their profile picture yes that's a lot of these ones

01:00:23 - 01:00:35 | Speaker 2:

that i'm getting right now so anyway here's the point uh do i tell frank the retiree that the lawnmower's gone or do i just let his email fall into the oblivion of time oh you know i was i was

01:00:35 - 01:00:41 | Speaker 1:

confusing frank and terry no they're not the same guy terry's on the move no i mean if frank hasn't

01:00:41 - 01:00:45 | Speaker 2:

responded yet well no no frank but here's the thing i never responded to frank frank

01:00:45 - 01:01:01 | Speaker 1:

i had already reached out to terry get it just let it go terry and then i just wanted to like i mean if you really want to if you were probably me i might write to frank and just say hey listen and if somebody's on their way to pick it up now, I'm 90% sure this is going to go through. If there's any hiccups, I will let you know immediately.

01:01:01 - 01:01:03 | Speaker 2:

Aren't I just drip-feeding him at that point?

01:01:04 - 01:01:13 | Speaker 1:

No, I think you're being pretty honest. There's, say, a 95% chance that this thing is gone, but it's still here. I will let you know if anything changes, but keep looking, Frank.

01:01:13 - 01:01:21 | Speaker 2:

I just realized something, Andrew. If Terry and his wife don't show up, my entire conception of the world will crumble.

01:01:22 - 01:01:24 | Speaker 1:

It will be really effed.

01:01:24 - 01:01:28 | Speaker 2:

I mean, that would throw me into a tailspin.

01:01:29 - 01:01:36 | Speaker 1:

Does Terry get off on just, like, leading people on Craigslist? Like, what would be the scenario at this point?

01:01:37 - 01:02:30 | Speaker 2:

Are they the Patels from Glengarry Glen Ross? They just like talking to salespeople. Like, what a demented, like, if a kindly couple from Chehalis, Washington, doesn't come down to the end of the county road in a Ford F-150 and take this lawnmower away, I don't know if I'm going to be okay for the weekend, for the whole weekend, because I have put my faith so solidly in this. And really it's more a question of like, am I a good judge of character? Can I tell when I'm being internet spoofed or not? Like I have gone from being suspicious of everyone associated with this project which i think is anything involving craigslist just feels so sus to me it just seems like such a weird part of the internet but now i've gone from that to like i would trust terry

01:02:30 - 01:02:40 | Speaker 1:

and his wife with my life you're the manti teo of uh what if terry shows up with a don't tread

01:02:40 - 01:02:47 | Speaker 2:

on me bumper sticker on his ford f-150 that's like easily 50 50 well what you're gonna withhold

01:02:47 - 01:02:52 | Speaker 1:

at that point you're gonna say no you can't listen i feel relatively powerless in this whole thing

01:02:52 - 01:03:03 | Speaker 2:

i'm talking about politically i mean mate you know actions have consequences the action of putting that don't tread on me bumper sticker on your truck that could have what if he's pulling pulling

01:03:03 - 01:03:09 | Speaker 1:

an american flag and a don't tread on me flag and a trump flag well listen um they're gonna

01:03:09 - 01:03:18 | Speaker 2:

find out what frank's politics are see that's how i really should play this just like basically just Find someone who likes Biden and give it to him.

01:03:19 - 01:03:28 | Speaker 1:

Right, exactly. Just like put little clues in the email. Like, well, it's still here. It was made back in the days when America was great. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

01:03:29 - 01:03:39 | Speaker 2:

I'd love to tell you more about this lawnmower, but I feel like you can't say anything anymore without getting in trouble with this cancel culture and then just see if they take the bait. If they're like, yeah, then you're like, you're not getting the lawnmower.

01:03:40 - 01:03:47 | Speaker 1:

I don't want to give short shrift to these AI creations that listener Steve sent in. What if we just do it on Monday? Oh, okay

01:03:47 - 01:03:49 | Speaker 2:

I mean, or not

01:03:49 - 01:03:53 | Speaker 1:

I really want to play them for you No, I want to hear them too

01:03:53 - 01:04:00 | Speaker 2:

Do we feel like they're Are they Would they still work on Monday or would that be

01:04:00 - 01:04:01 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's fine

01:04:01 - 01:04:13 | Speaker 2:

Because also, here's what we can do We can just be on standby for Terry and his wife And then I can just run out there And give him the lawnmower and then come back And then we can just stay here as long as we need to That's also an option

01:04:13 - 01:04:26 | Speaker 1:

Well, that's what I was going to say Like, if they show up, I mean, the thing is we're not broadcasting live, which is cool. So if we need to stop down at any point, we can certainly stop down. How about this?

01:04:26 - 01:04:31 | Speaker 2:

Let's do the AI chat. I will hold the We Are the World conversation for Monday.

01:04:31 - 01:04:32 | Speaker 1:

Okay, yeah.

01:04:32 - 01:04:38 | Speaker 2:

I was going to say don't watch the documentary this weekend, but I know you're already way ahead of me on not watching it this weekend.

01:04:38 - 01:04:48 | Speaker 1:

I'm trying to get through. Did I tell you I'm watching that Netflix show Three Body Problem? Do you know about this hard sci-fi show?

01:04:48 - 01:05:08 | Speaker 2:

I saw, because I logged into Netflix for the first time in Forever last night, and I saw the trailer for that from the creators of Game of Thrones. And I was like, oh shit, this actually is kind of getting me. But then you know what I thought was weird is it's like, I don't know if I'm ready to see everybody from the Game of Thrones universe in street clothes.

01:05:08 - 01:06:03 | Speaker 3:

There's several people in it, but it's so good that you kind of are like, oh, man, that's why I know that guy. So I didn't find – you know how they got me – Genevieve watches, obviously, she's up on most of the new shows on the various platforms. And she even told me at one point, oh, I'm watching the sci-fi show. And I think I was sort of half listening. I didn't really think that much about it. Sorry, Genevieve. But then I was actually scrolling. This has inspired a new segment on our After These Messages podcast called You Got Me. I was scrolling on Instagram, and they had an ad for the show, but I didn't know what it was. And the quote-unquote ad for the show was just like a full 90 seconds of the show that they just clipped and just put in my Instagram feed. Netflix did as promoted content. And I was just like, oh, wait, isn't that Samuel Tarly? And then I started watching. I'm like, what is going on? What is going on with that helmet? And then all of a sudden, next thing you know, I'm like dialing it up on Netflix. I'm like, hey, Genevieve, have you heard of this show? She's like, yes, I gave you 45 minutes on that show.

01:06:03 - 01:06:05 | Speaker 2:

I stole a considerable number of books from the Citadel Library.

01:06:07 - 01:06:13 | Speaker 3:

So anyway, I'm still making my way through that. I probably won't watch the We Are the World thing this weekend, so don't worry about that.

01:06:13 - 01:06:16 | Speaker 2:

That three-body problem, it looks pretty good to me. It's good.

01:06:16 - 01:06:29 | Speaker 3:

You've really got to pay attention to it. I watched the first episode twice because I found it a little, you know, well, I'm face-blind as well, which doesn't help. But it's, you know, it's one of those things where you don't putter and watch it. You've got to pay attention.

01:06:29 - 01:06:37 | Speaker 2:

Who's the guy from – oh, God, this is so bad. The guy from Game of Thrones who – oh, man.

01:06:38 - 01:06:40 | Speaker 3:

The Onion Knight, isn't it? That's called Andrew.

01:06:41 - 01:06:43 | Speaker 2:

I was thinking of the Onion Knight. That's exactly what I was thinking of.

01:06:43 - 01:06:47 | Speaker 3:

Yes, and the High Septon. And I can't remember their names or the actor's names.

01:06:47 - 01:07:13 | Speaker 2:

I recognize Samwell Tarly and the High Septon. And the Onion Knight was the one that I couldn't quite – I couldn't quite by my finger. I mean, I knew he was from Game of Thrones. I couldn't remember his name. Thank you. god mostly the listeners thank you andrew because that could have been a brutal four minutes of me trying to describe a guy from game of thrones that's in this new thing uh that could have been really really rough okay uh well then my friend tell me about tbtl ai content so you

01:07:13 - 01:08:25 | Speaker 3:

know how we have a listener named steven who sometimes makes um ai creations using a couple did he make the andy rooney stuff he made the andy rooney stuff talking about how great tbtl is the terry gross stuff well we apparently apparently people named steve are drawn to ai because i got another email from steve yesterday who i didn't realize until he signed off at the end steve not the steve that normally sends ai stuff wait i'm the steve with the plant podcast this is another steve rootbound exactly this is another listener steve who has been making um a has been playing around with some ai tools and i don't want to give away too much here but steve writes i've been playing around with the new tool that creates entire music tracks from simple text descriptions and i thought it'd be fun to ask the robot to make some tbtl songs i've attached two here one is a simple theme and then the other one i'll tell you about in a second luke but let's start with the plain old i guess steve wrote into the robot some facts about tbtl and said make a theme song for it. I assume this will be, going forward, our new theme song, if we can start every show with 90 seconds of this.

01:08:31 - 01:09:40 | Speaker 1:

In the city of Seattle where the coffee always pours, Luke and Andrew chat on things that no one can ignore, from their quirky daily musings to the tales they love to spin, tune in to TVTL, let the madness begin. I told you I was madman-y today too beautiful to live it's a show you can't miss laughing all the way through the existential abyss join the tens of listeners from near and far with luke and andrew you're a podcast star here comes the dirty part they'll review a film that's aged like fine wine or debate if using someone's trash bin is fine from lasers on their heads to pants for the night in tbtl and everything's a sight so raise your glass or a cup of joe to the show that goes where few dare to go for a dose of fun or a laugh so big stay too beautiful to live and dance this jig

01:09:40 - 01:09:44 | Speaker 2:

Okay, that rhymed. Quell.

01:09:51 - 01:10:04 | Speaker 3:

There you go. Wow. So hold on. A computer did that. I guess so. I don't know if the computer made the rhymes. how much tinkering or tweaking afterwards that Steve did.

01:10:04 - 01:10:06 | Speaker 2:

That is remarkable.

01:10:07 - 01:10:08 | Speaker 3:

So those are not human voices.

01:10:09 - 01:10:22 | Speaker 2:

That's not a human voice. That is an AI voice and AI music that's writing rhymes, like writing a song with lyrics that rhyme based on the prompt of kind of what we tend to get into on the show.

01:10:22 - 01:10:28 | Speaker 3:

I guess so. Again, I didn't make it. All I know is basically what I read to you from Steve here.

01:10:28 - 01:10:47 | Speaker 2:

that's like here's what i would say and this i think describes perfectly where we're at with a lot of this kind of ai stuff that would be a cute but unremarkable song written by a human being that's insane insane that a bunch of ones and zeros just did that i still think i'd be blown

01:10:47 - 01:10:56 | Speaker 3:

away if i if i open up the voicemail line someday and a listener had just like written that and recorded it true on the voicemail line i think i'd still be pretty no the production value would

01:10:56 - 01:11:20 | Speaker 2:

be really high yeah but i mean as far as like complex songwriting like a human can can do a lot better than that but as far as like the fact that that's not even a human voice that's just some kind of ai thing that's singing along to these words that the ai figured out how to arrange because of the prompt that stephen put into it that is that's very to use the word we

01:11:20 - 01:11:54 | Speaker 3:

always use that's uncanny now this next one i'll be honest with you i have not listened all the way through yet but and i i know what the payoff here is though because i listened to the beginning of it um steve says i attach two songs here one is a simple theme song that's what we played the other is inspired by a musical legend by a musical legend that the show loves so much so this is a little bit shorter here's the second song written by ai scat man for tbtl in the style of Maybe Scatman

01:11:54 - 01:13:02 | Speaker 1:

Bop, bop, bop In Seattle, see you Lookin' and do talkin', keep it so serene Scat-a-tat-tat on the daily grind TBTL's got the stories That'll blow your mind I'm the Scatman, TBTL's the show Skibby-gibby-bop Where do we both go? Beep-bop-bop-bop-bop Join the podcast This is like the love child of Imagine Dragons and Scatman. Do we need a TVTL ringtone or an alarm?

01:13:02 - 01:13:07 | Speaker 3:

Maybe I should make that my alarm in the morning. That'll get me up and running for the phone to turn it off.

01:13:07 - 01:13:13 | Speaker 2:

And we have the rights to use all this, right? We finally found some music that won't get us pulled down on YouTube in Albania.

01:13:15 - 01:13:22 | Speaker 3:

I assume, because I believe that they are originals. I mean, as long as Steve doesn't sue us, I guess. Right, but like... The whole thing was a trap.

01:13:23 - 01:13:33 | Speaker 2:

We get in so much trouble every time we use even the quickest snippet of, like, right way to rock, wrong way to roll. It's nice to finally have some musical content that we don't think anyone's going to be coming for.

01:13:34 - 01:13:39 | Speaker 3:

And we didn't have to get any messy humans involved or pay anybody for it. That's what I like.

01:13:39 - 01:13:45 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly. Thank goodness. I mean, that is... That's really, really remarkable stuff. Like, that is just... It really is.

01:13:45 - 01:13:59 | Speaker 3:

That first one, I don't know. We need to... I don't know what I'm going to do with it. i'm definitely gonna i'm gonna um save it certainly but that first song again maybe it's maybe it's the official tbtl ringtone i don't know i can i can email it to people i feel like

01:13:59 - 01:14:55 | Speaker 2:

dangerous i'm dangerously close to just slipping into the obvious and frequent conversation that comes up whenever the idea of uh the concept of ai and art is you know is brought up on like npr anywhere else which is just kind of like that song that first song in particular but really both of them make me wonder about the long-term future of like real people making songs because that first one was so well executed that and you just imagine if this thing is learning exponentially if it's following moore's law or whatever think about five years in five years what that thing will be able to do and the fact that you as opposed to a person sitting down with a guitar and a dream and some lyrics, like that person could create, I've been seeing a lot of Elliot Smith on TikTok for some reason. Oh my God. It was like Elliot Smith.

01:14:55 - 01:14:55 | Speaker 3:

You doing okay?

01:14:56 - 01:14:59 | Speaker 2:

I know, right? What does the algorithm know?

01:14:59 - 01:14:59 | Speaker 3:

Yeah.

01:15:00 - 01:15:17 | Speaker 1:

He's just wandering around the house In a one-piece jumper Covered in oil And watching Elliot Smith on TikTok It's going fine But like It was Elliot Smith being interviewed at the Smog Cutter In LA Did you ever go to the Smog Cutter when you lived there?

01:15:18 - 01:15:22 | Speaker 2:

I know I did But I'm trying to remember where it is

01:15:22 - 01:15:29 | Speaker 1:

I used to say it smelled like the inside Of a human colon It always stunk But everybody went there So you just still had to go to the Smog Cutter

01:15:29 - 01:15:33 | Speaker 2:

side of this place yeah because i feel like i definitely i feel like it was a place it was on

01:15:33 - 01:16:22 | Speaker 1:

virgil i think it was kind of over sort of was it kind of like not not all the way over in like echo park and stuff but like somewhere kind of between hollywood and echo park ish but okay it was just elliot smith at the smog cutter talking about his music with someone but he's not really that famous yet and like i don't know that scene of la that kind of echo park silver lake thing was yet to it was about to explode but it sort of hadn't and when i say explode i mean for a certain kind of indie music fan but you know 75 elliott smiths writing on 75 acoustic guitars i mean eventually they may create the music of shakespeare i think this is how this whole thought experiment goes but like i'm just saying that like at some point humans that are doing creative stuff don't stand a chance against an ai program that could write presumably a thousand

01:16:22 - 01:16:58 | Speaker 2:

songs a second i just well okay i mean i hope you're right and i'm wrong i don't want to totally dismiss it like i think that where you're going to see this is you have popular music right now i'm just saying even before ai you have popular music and then some tire company or maybe some automobile company wants to make a commercial they try to buy the rights to that popular song and they're rejected uh because you know they don't want to pay all the money to the artist so they go and they make a sound-alike with other artists or some sort of canned music company. But still, there's humans behind even that work, the sound-alike songs.

01:16:59 - 01:17:01 | Speaker 1:

Humans who have completely given up.

01:17:02 - 01:17:05 | Speaker 2:

So there are plenty of production houses where you can buy

01:17:05 - 01:17:08 | Speaker 1:

This is how memories are made.

01:17:08 - 01:18:37 | Speaker 2:

music for your commercials or whatever, and that's already a little bit soulless, but there's still people behind it. My guess is AI will totally transform that. that yes companies will save so much money by not even needing those humans making sound alike music or or just canned music for your commercials you can just tell the ai what vibe you want and maybe even inspired by this sort of sound by you know by taylor swift or whatever um so i do think that it's going to have a huge impact on that type of the industry but if you look at like and again like i mentioned you at the beginning of the show or a little bit ago that i went to a show last night and they were like you know it was so funny I mentioned I was there with one of my friend's kids it's 13 years old and the opening band was probably like in their early 20s and I turned to her and I said you understand that that band is closer to your age than my age and she was like no way I'm like yeah you're like 10 years away from being those rockers that's like 30 years in my rearview mirror man but either way there's still always going to be that hunger of human beings to make music whether it's punk rock and you're getting your and you're getting your anger and message out or if you're Elliot Smith and you're sitting down with the guitar and you're getting your emotions out or whatever it is and there are always going to be people who are drawn to that music and there will always be people who are drawn to seeing those performers I'm not saying that like there won't be I don't know digital DJs or whatever that might be having club nights as well but I just don't see AI oh my gosh well quashing instead of quelling the need humans have

01:18:37 - 01:19:59 | Speaker 1:

to make music. Well, that's a really good point. And maybe that's just a failure of imagination on my part. I'm just only talking about the financial implications. Like, can people make a living playing music? But what you're pointing out is, A, that's not the only reason people play music. They find it personally rewarding to create. And also, B, realistically, how many people out there not named Beyonce are making money playing music? It's already the case that a very, very, very small number of people are actually like making their living playing music and so in that you know if that remains the case if the Beyonce's of the world if the if the 0.01 percent of the people that are making music right now that are able to make a living for it can still do it or people like them and then everyone else is doing it for the love of the game and then you have this other kind of world of the AI stuff maybe maybe it won't feel that different I just like I said what worries me is the like the sheer numbers of it so if an ai program can just write a thousand songs a second and like 998 of them aren't for you but two of them are and if you've got you know like it just seems like the output even if most of it doesn't work at some point the output is just so great that that if if they're batting i mean if they're if they're putting up jp crawford numbers it's still going to be a lot of hits

01:20:00 - 01:20:02 | Speaker 2:

Because still early in the AI season,

01:20:02 - 01:20:53 | Speaker 3:

Beyonce, Beyonce is, you know, it still has to put a lot of her own personal time and effort into writing songs to the degree that she writes them, certainly into picking songs that she wants to use the singing of them, the producing all the stuff that goes into it. Just like Beyonce can only make so much of this stuff. And again, you know, spare a thought for one of the more celebrated and wealthy performers on planet earth. I mean, She's not even really the like the the use case for this or whatever. But like, I guess it's just like the thing that makes me nervous about all of this, whether it's the drawings that they can do or the like, you know, the music it might make is that there will be a point where just the sheer volume of stuff that these programs can throw up, even if most of it doesn't work, it will still just kind of overshadow or dwarf everything else potentially.

01:20:53 - 01:21:27 | Speaker 2:

you know I sort of set up as an example before the idea that humans are even making the kind of more generic music you hear in commercials or whatever but honestly that's that's me being pretty dismissive about the fact that those are human beings and those might be artists who are making music that they love on the side I'm sure they all are because you can't make money off of music anymore that is kind of sad in a certain way I could hear a musician listening and be like dude I would love it if I could still make music based or still make money based on the music that i love but i gotta do this job right that at least is a somewhat creative yeah i would that

01:21:27 - 01:22:19 | Speaker 3:

was related to my skills that was more on me i said those people had given up and you're right that's not a very generous way to describe it at all um if somebody has to write a pretend fallout boy song so that they can then pay their rent and do the music that they want to do i have absolutely no disrespect for that at all at all i mean it would not take people very long in the googling of me to find all the times i've done my version of that right in various endeavors where i'm doing something because it is financially rewarding and then allows me to take the vow of poverty that is podcasting so there you go um that's a very good point but yeah i mean that i just to go back to where we started that first song which shocking to me absolutely shocking to me yeah how good it is we gotta do something with it do we get to call that music for your weekend was that

01:22:19 - 01:22:24 | Speaker 2:

I actually, for a change, I have a song that I would like to play for you, but are you worried is Terry at your door?

01:22:24 - 01:22:31 | Speaker 3:

No, I just got a Terry update, actually, right now. I just got an email from him. Well, I mean, it gets me a little bit.

01:22:34 - 01:22:40 | Speaker 2:

I just need a little gas money to get down there and get that.

01:22:40 - 01:23:10 | Speaker 3:

Well, you know, he said, I told you the last update from him was that they were eating lunch and then it was going to be about 50 minutes. Now, maybe they just take their sweet, sweet time on lunch. But I was worried that... I mean, they were up burning a brush fire at 8.30. They're on a... You know who they are? And I'll give you a full report on Monday when I meet these folks. They are the people who are watching the shows on CBS that I only know exist because they advertise them during the football games.

01:23:11 - 01:23:12 | Speaker 2:

They're like... Queen Latifah.

01:23:12 - 01:23:34 | Speaker 3:

The Equalizer with Queen Latifah They're the people who are like Yes, a new season of Blue Bloods With Tom Selleck and Donnie Wahlberg Them and High Pitch Eric from The Stern Show That's exactly Who these folks are But I got an email that he said We are leaving now It should be about an hour And that was from one minute ago

01:23:34 - 01:24:23 | Speaker 2:

So as long as we can do this in under an hour I had an hour long song to play for you Exactly, which might not leave room for your song is that okay that's totally fine honestly okay um all right well what song would you like to play well i'm excited i did want to play this for you because i think you'll like it this is a song that uh popped into my uh inbox a couple of days ago by a band called good looks okay um and i was unfamiliar with them in fact i still am i can't remember where they hail from but um they're kind of an indie band i think they have one record that's already out and now they're starting to trickle out some uh singles off of an upcoming rack record i believe and i believe the album is going to be called self-destructor i could be wrong about that but that is definitely the name of this song this is a song called self-destructor by the band good looks Okay.

01:24:52 - 01:24:58 | Speaker 1:

Show me where it comes from I can't show you mine

01:25:00 - 01:25:31 | Speaker 2:

I know that it's painful. I know that it's painful. I know that it's painful. Put your past behind. Sorry if I didn't seem like I was listening. Sorry if my face was full of criticism. Walk into your room, try to pick a fight. Make yourself a victim, self-destructor. Goodbye. It's a destructive goodbye

01:25:31 - 01:25:33 | Speaker 4:

Austin, Texas

01:25:33 - 01:25:34 | Speaker 3:

That's good

01:25:34 - 01:25:36 | Speaker 4:

Austin, Texas is good, right?

01:25:36 - 01:25:42 | Speaker 3:

Yeah, it feels like it combines so many elements of different things that I like in a song

01:25:42 - 01:25:56 | Speaker 4:

And yeah, I don't even really know Yeah, it's just sort of like I don't know how to describe that type of stuff that we like But that sort of jangly indie rock that is probably somehow inspired by Pavement many generations musically down the line.

01:25:56 - 01:25:59 | Speaker 3:

Yeah, there was a teeny bit of poppy or silver juice.

01:26:00 - 01:26:11 | Speaker 4:

Yeah, sure. So anyway, Good Looks. I'm looking forward to it. I think they've released only two songs so far off of that, and I listened to the other one as well, and it's similarly as good. So yeah, keep an eye out for Good Looks.

01:26:12 - 01:26:34 | Speaker 3:

The song that I'd like to play is from a band called Video Age, and Addie sent me this this week. She said some nice Phoenix vibes, as in the band, not the town. I also saw, by the way, maybe this is for next week. I haven't listened to it yet, but I saw in the New York Times a review of the new Justice record. Justice has a new record out. I love those guys.

01:26:34 - 01:26:38 | Speaker 4:

Do I know Justice? Oh, is that one where they, do they spell it funny or something?

01:26:39 - 01:27:03 | Speaker 3:

I don't know if they do, but there's a couple Justice songs that you, well, you know the, I don't want to get into trying to sing the sample in a justice song that i think is performed by children but um that's the it's like where little kids are singing do the d-a-n-c-e one two three four five you know that song that sort of that

01:27:03 - 01:27:27 | Speaker 4:

sort of rings a bell and i mean the name rings a bell i feel like this is something that maybe i know because of you back in the day like maybe like five years ago or something was this kind of big but we're kind of getting further away from oh god yeah oh yeah yeah this is justice from 2007 oh yeah oh yeah and that song is d-a-n-c-e yeah okay and they're just part of this

01:27:27 - 01:27:46 | Speaker 3:

like there was some point in time where i was only listening to super poppy music in english made by people from france between like phoenix daft punk justice time cop 1983 air who am i

01:27:46 - 01:27:52 | Speaker 4:

leaving out like the air was the only one i was going to throw on the pile like i i i love nothing

01:27:52 - 01:28:17 | Speaker 3:

more than some music made by french people in english uh with just like immaculate vibes so addie knows that about her father and she sent me this these folks are not from france they're from new orleans and uh they're called video age and this song is called better than ever um i think they have a relatively recent album out this is off of but um can you play that Andrew? A little better than ever from the band Video Age of New Orleans? They also may be

01:28:17 - 01:28:19 | Speaker 4:

from the French Quarter, just consider that.

01:28:19 - 01:28:21 | Speaker 3:

Good point! So maybe they are

01:28:21 - 01:28:22 | Speaker 4:

in a way French.

01:28:43 - 01:29:22 | Speaker 1:

Only the best they could attest to that long game style I'm banking on, on its own. Ooh, better and better Ooh, it's better Nobody likes when you write But the whole room's saying that you're wrong Said I'd break, I couldn't take

01:29:22 - 01:29:59 | Speaker 3:

All right, that's probably all the video age we can play without getting pulled off of YouTube in New Orleans, which is a hot zip for us. So, yeah, there it is. Very, you know, very poppy, very summery, very a nice thing to be listening to while sitting on the porch and looking at the mighty Columbia.

01:30:00 - 01:30:07 | Speaker 2:

I forgot to tell you, I got an email that I've been ignoring. I've been ignoring this in a Burbankian way. Oh, great.

01:30:07 - 01:30:10 | Speaker 1:

That's a thing? That's a verb now?

01:30:12 - 01:32:07 | Speaker 2:

Because we always talk about YouTube pulling us down, and I'm not too worried about that because that's not where we get a lot of listens or what have you. I know some listeners kind of rely on that, but it's like literally, maybe like literally less than tens of people who listen to our show via YouTube. Having said that, I got an email. I'm looking for it here from Spotify, the type of email that used to go to American public media and then they would sort of like ask us about it. But now we're the American public media. And I got a list here of it said, hey, we wanted to let you know that there appears to be third party content in your podcast. What? On our podcast? And then I click on it. Oh, you know, there's no they've they've removed them. I mean, I think they've just removed them all. There was a list of like 20 podcasts that said you use this song or you use this song. And some of it is like a razzle dazzle song, why it happened to catch it on this. Some of it. But then some of them went back to, I think, almost the radio days or like 2012 or something like that. Some of them were new. And it said I had like three choices. I could do it the easy way, the hard way. I could use AI to recreate it. I could either contest it and say we have the rights to that music, which I'm not going up against. Like epic records or whatever. It said that I can't remember what the choices were, but then it said, you know, you have like X number of days to address this. Otherwise, we're going to reach out to the artists and check on the status. I'm like, good luck reaching out to all these artists. My expectation is that they will end up just pulling those shows off of Spotify. But I was almost like I had this choice of just telling Spotify, just pull them now. like please don't it's almost like i was in school and it's kind of like hey we could tell your parents about this or we can or you can tell your parents about this or something i'm like you know what how about i just spend a week in detention but we keep my parents out of this

01:32:07 - 01:33:50 | Speaker 1:

that's so funny this is how we're so different my move would be sounds like your parents had your back did they that's a great question no i mean that's a real that's a that wasn't even i was that was me in a genuine moment thinking like kind of yes and no sometimes they did sometimes they didn't i mean generally i was in i was in big trouble when you know when i got in trouble at school i was still in trouble at home but then years later my dad did kind of say like yeah that was that was some bs some of the stuff that went on at like jesus creek and stuff like you know in terms of like he i think he regrets not standing up for me a little bit more so that kind of counts but like yeah i was gonna say my approach on this would be and by the way let's i mean absolutely just do whatever you are going to do because i think it's you know thankfully all these episodes are available at tbtl.net regardless so it's just it's just you'd have to go there for them but this is just my kind of deny deny deny delay delay delay huh who else does that and how's that going um i i would just be like let's just challenge every single one of them and then put it back on spotify to go iron it all out like so then if we're like yeah we have the rights to all this then spotify has to go find out if we have the rights to that then i'm just hoping it just lands on particularly lazy spotify bots desk like a spotify bot that's kind of going through a divorce there's like a spotify bot that's kind of hanging by a thread and just it's got a lot of personal shit going on and they just like that just like that inbox of paper is just getting taller and taller and they're just like really messing up but it's to our benefit that would be my approach on it you know um yeah but but i mean i actually don't sort of sounds

01:33:50 - 01:34:26 | Speaker 2:

like that's what i kind of did what i did was not respond at all and just oh burbankian what i did was i read the email my mouse hovered over some options and then i had a drink is what i think was my course of action there and i said be quiet lemon i'm drinking that's um that's literally page one of the playbook so i think that i mean supposedly spotify is like if we don't hear from you we'll check with the artists or whatever i'm like okay i guess i guess tim heidecker is getting a notification right now actually though but you know what that's actually the perfect way to play

01:34:26 - 01:35:04 | Speaker 1:

it because you're also you know i watch a lot of those crime shows like the you know documentary style ones and one of the first thing they're trying to do is lock the person into a story uh-huh like that's why uh-huh i don't want to be um how do i put this i'm not encouraging anyone to break the law i hope that people that do break the law pay a fair cost for it that being said never talk to the cops never ever ever ever talk to the cops nothing good comes from that i watch all these shows and all it is just like a person and the cops are always like this is your time to Get your story. out and it's like you know when another good time for that is with your lawyer in front of the judge

01:35:04 - 01:35:09 | Speaker 2:

exactly like as you can polish it a little bit like if you get your story out don't madman it

01:35:09 - 01:36:10 | Speaker 1:

like get your story out to the mobile police to ronnie leatherman of the mobile police department on the first 48 actually ryan leatherman seems like a actually pretty pretty cool dude but like you're gonna get your story out with them which means jack squat when the prosecutor is deciding how they're going to charge you they're never like you know we were going to charge this person with like you know murder or something but you know what they gave they admitted to everything to the detectives therefore we're going to just kind of call it um you know breaking and entering like they're going to charge you the way they're going to charge you so it's spilling your other than making interesting tv spilling your guts to the detectives is a terrible terrible idea um but Oh, but the locking into a story So what you're doing that's actually very Genius, Andrew, is You're not even saying we have the rights to it Like, because then you've said You've actually said something that's not really true And then, so you're not You're not saying anything

01:36:10 - 01:36:11 | Speaker 2:

I'm pleading no contest

01:36:11 - 01:36:12 | Speaker 1:

Exactly, it's an Alfred plea

01:36:12 - 01:36:15 | Speaker 2:

I don't even know exactly what that means It's an Alfred plea

01:36:15 - 01:36:24 | Speaker 1:

It means that you agree You don't admit to guilt, but you agree That in a court of law you would likely be found guilty okay

01:36:24 - 01:36:39 | Speaker 2:

I don't know why and also why is this on you I click the box that says I'm Roman Mars that's what I did I'm just trying to get as far away from the situation as possible

01:36:39 - 01:36:44 | Speaker 1:

we're trying to throw Roman Mars under the bus have you ever thought about the design of the underside of buses

01:36:44 - 01:36:51 | Speaker 2:

have you ever thought about the design of copyright jail how do they make those bars so tough

01:36:51 - 01:37:57 | Speaker 1:

It's a panopticon of sorts, but anyway, if you play Panama by Van Halen without the rights to it, you could end up in a panopticon of Spotify. That's true. That was me trying to flex that I know about a panopticon. Well, let's suggest the listener suggestion. I know that's a lot of suggests, dude. Eric in Edmonds says, good day, gentlemen and Luke. Interesting. that's like the upside down garbage can of a music for your weekend email it really is what are we saying with this hello gentlemen and Luke local musician Jen Wood has a new project it's called Gems and they've got a fantastic song called Younger I listened to it five times in a row when I first heard it please enjoy take care and keep slab jacking Eric from Edmonds I thought huh Jen Wood that is very familiar to me Why is that? And it's because, well, Jen Wood sings with the Postal Service. And so I guess you saw Jen Wood, Andrew, when you guys went and saw the Postal Service.

01:37:57 - 01:37:59 | Speaker 2:

Gotcha. Yeah, I didn't know her name. Okay.

01:37:59 - 01:38:42 | Speaker 1:

You know, she does the, I think I must interject here. You're getting carried away. But she also was in a band when she was very young called Tattletales. And they had a song that was really good that I really liked in high school or maybe shortly thereafter that was called, like, glass vase cello case and I remember being at the university street fair and seeing Tattletail's play and I must have been like I think she's actually almost my exact age so I would have been their age I probably would have been 15 or 16 and I was so impressed with this band these two young women in this band playing a song that was good that was getting played on KEXP which I think was

01:38:42 - 01:38:43 | Speaker 2:

called high school I think was called

01:38:43 - 01:39:03 | Speaker 1:

KCMU at the time I'm just taking everyone on the little trip down memory lane I went down today on the subject of the singer Jen Wood and I want to let me just do this too out of because there's another person in the band as well I'm going to make sure we're crediting

01:39:03 - 01:39:17 | Speaker 2:

in Gems it's Ted Chen says it here on Spotify so it's Jen Gems is spelled G-E-M-Z all caps if you will And it's Jen Wood and Ted Chen, according to Spotify

01:39:17 - 01:39:35 | Speaker 1:

There you go And this song is a vibe, man I don't know if it'll be your vibe, Andrew But I actually like it It's this kind of thing that, again Let me, how do I Sream Summer rules everything around me This sounds like a song that I could definitely vibe out to in the summertime So that's what we're going to go out with It's some music from Jim

01:39:35 - 01:39:36 | Speaker 2:

A lot of tubas

01:39:36 - 01:39:43 | Speaker 1:

It's heavy on the tubas Double bass drum A guitar that's in open tuning

01:39:43 - 01:39:47 | Speaker 2:

okay cool yeah let's summer begin

01:39:47 - 01:39:59 | Speaker 1:

so that's what we're going to play here from Eric and Edmonds and that's going to bring us to the end of our broadcast week thank you for listening everyone thanks for being part of TBTL we'll see you on Monday with more imaginary radio for you in the meantime have a great weekend go

01:40:00 - 01:41:22 | Speaker 2:

Little Sluggers. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. Everything started moving faster Suddenly my heart was getting younger Suddenly my arms were feeling lighter And in a minute I remembered who I was I'm not no ordinary machine They can change me, they can change me, they can change me But they can't take me, take me, take me, take me, take me

01:41:25 - 01:42:22 | Speaker 1:

all right you guys let's listen up we won a game yesterday if we win one today that's two in a row we win one tomorrow that's called a winning streak power out Let's go.

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