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Sir, I need you to know where I can get some business hammocks. Hammocks? My goodness, what an idea. Why didn't I think of that? Hammocks! Homer, there's four places. There's the Hammock Hut. That's on 3rd. There's Hammocks or Us. That's on 3rd, too. You got Put Your Butt There. That's on 3rd. Swing Low, Sweet Chariot. Matter of fact, they're all in the same complex. It's the Hammock Complex down on 3rd.

Oh, the Hammock District!

TBTL! Are you on the internet? Isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheets?

You know, what happened next was, you know, they'd open their mouth, they'd speak, they'd get laughed at, they'd get called Polacks.

I'm not very good with chit-chat. I like a structured communication. I like a hard out. You know, chit, chat, chit, chat. Chit, chit. Where are we going with that?

That was great. That was good. You went for it. I appreciate that.

If they do good, put it on YouTube. If they do bad, cancel it.

All right. Hello. Good morning. And welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show. It just might be too beautiful to live. The vibes will be the illest and the jams not ridiculous. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia, where we have a nice view of yet another small flock of helicans that are hanging out on the mighty Columbia. It's a pretty day. It was nice enough that this morning when I was in town, I felt inspired to swing through the local car wash and get the car wash. And then I noticed that they had a sign that said, if you've gotten your car washed here, then you can vacuum it out for free. Clean as your mama's forehead. And I realized that's probably something that I do twice a year, actually vacuuming my car out, unless something truly regrettable has happened in the vehicle involving me or someone else having some sort of a medical event. it's usually about a couple times a year and they had these big you know vacuum cleaner hoses that were on these kind of suspended elastic things so you could just pull it out get to anywhere in the car i this entire operation took under five minutes and i just thought as i got back into the car like is there a better return on investment of five minutes of your time than vacuuming out your car. If you haven't done it, if you're looking for a little pick-me-up today, may I recommend vacuuming out your vehicle? It's going to change your life. It's changed mine. Can't you hear it in my voice? I'm a different person here on this Tuesday. Another good way, by the way, to ensure success on your Tuesday is to tune in to episode 4190 in a collector's series, which is where we arrive upon. And at today, we've got another update from the TBTL Little Sluggers. Kids and fantasy the little sluggers took on the um the uh what were they called the big bananas

of the parkside little league back away banana breath what the hell did you just eat a banana

and uh we'll tell you how uh how that went uh we also uh would like to and by we i mean me would like to get into talking about this we are the world documentary so who needs a movie on netflix that i'm so excited about that i i can't stop talking about it with people other than when i'm on this show the place that i'm paid to talk to someone about this stuff we can't seem to get to it but maybe we will today uh the person that i'm paid to talk to it's this guy the longest running co-bro of the show may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships he's straight back from hitting the gym really i'm trying to build my beef castle he's andrew walsh and he's

joining me right now good morning my friend man i heard a commercial or a psa that car wash shamed

me so hard the other day i thought of you this morning by the way whilst i was doing this i just

want to tell you because you know that i like things to be clean yes yeah and also i thought

there really might be something to this whole not eating in the car system that andrew employs passed down from Bob Walsh as I was finding little bits of desiccated food parts under the driver's seat. I was like, this is kind of a bad look. Every now and then

you will find, and by the way, I don't want to be called out on my hypocrisy here in case I give you or any of the listeners a ride anywhere anytime soon. My car is not spotless, certainly. In fact, the upholstery of our car is very prone to staining and it has like I don't even know where these are coming from. I think sometimes in the summertime, if Genevieve is going to the lake with friends or something, maybe like another...

sitting on towels on the way back that explains some of the watermarks we see on the seats but it doesn't explain all of them and i don't even i don't even mind the towels up to uh room

temperature andrew which is a joke that nobody even understands because they'll hear about it

on friday yeah actually we should later on talk about what the plan is for friday but um that's that's exciting and fun but anyway so honestly like i love a clean car i don't keep our car as clean as I'd like I think it's a little bit hard for me to it's a smaller car I'm a larger man small car large man hard to detail it's uh I do have like a little vacuum like that I can take out there a cordless little vacuum I do have what I really want to get those stains out one of those what we call an extraction cleaner Luke what I always call like kind of a steam cleaner but

there's no steam involved right it just you've got fabric seats are they gray in color very light

They're very light gray, and they're just everything.

Were they sold out of cream seats? Yeah. That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Yeah, our friends have a similar. It's a Volkswagen Golf, and our friends have a similar one. They have really nice, I think, dark leather seats, or pleather. I don't know. Do they make real leather seats in a Volkswagen? I don't know.

Leatherette.

Leatherette is what they call it.

I believe the Tiguan that I had was leatherette.

They don't say pleather anymore, huh? I mean, it's the same shit probably. But anyway, the commercial I heard that that shamed me wasn't even like, hey, Bozo, your car is too dirty. You should get out there and clean it, although that would be an interesting PSA. I might run that on my network when I have one. But it was just like, hey, listen, if you're going to get your car washed, spend the money and get it washed in an official car wash. Don't do this shit in your driveway. Something that I don't usually do. And everybody has always said that, like, well, you know, you're not supposed to wash your car. I grew up washing my parents car in fact I had a lot as all of us did I had a lot of chores growing up like a lot of chores and I did not get an allowance my parents treated me fine we didn't I there wasn't a lot I wanted for but it always kind of irked me that I was doing more chores than my friends and didn't actually get paid for the chores specifically except for car washing at a certain point like my parents realized like oh that labor is above and beyond I mean all day on your hands and knees pulling weeds behind the garage that's free but honestly having this kid wash our cars we should probably give him five bucks for that and that was what the starting fee was five the irony is that washing cars is kind of fun right it can be we're talking white walls though and like you know i grew up and again probably a lot of black bucks no socks oh god gross did you have cars with white with white walls do you know

what i'm talking about i do know what a white wall is and i think that i actually to this day think they're a very cool look on like a vintage car yeah like an old boat no we did not uh the fort fairmont did not uh have a white wall that's so funny it never occurred to me until this

conversation that that would be a sign of class in any kind of way i thought it was just something

of the time sort of it might i think it probably is i overestimate how much everything was an indication of class so that's the starting point but i always associated having white walls with like you've got this you've got a new caddy and you've got the white wall yeah it might have just been like you so somebody selected it's just rubber it shouldn't be that much more if some of the rubber's dyed white and some of it's dyed black but i always associated white walls with

like some nice rims and like a real clean look yeah you're right there's like a good fellas aspect to it sort of yeah yeah i know you're right what don't we know about bob walsh right anyway so all of that is to say um i would wash my parents cars and the boys scrubbing those white walls was and they had like wheels with all like tons of intricate spokes or whatever you're right we were living large um but anyway like i just remember like cleaning the wheels was a pain in the ass my parents were very particular like i had one of those like actual chamois that was made of like you know leather or whatever that was so hard for my little hands at the time to

like kind of squeeze out and then the irony that now your hands would be too big to clean out your Volkswagen Golf and at that time they were too small exactly so anyway it was a whole ordeal

but it was part of summertime washing the cars I had to sometimes wash my dad's orange Kuboto tractor as well um but uh nowadays like I say I like a clean car I don't keep it as clean as I want I did at the end of last you know this is the first time I've had a driveway since I lived in new hampshire i don't think i ever washed my car on the driveway in new hampshire but um last summer on a whim i was like this car is dirty i'm just going to go to the store and buy some simple car washing syrup you know whatever a little jug of the jug of the the soap that you put into a into a bucket and i'm washing the car in the driveway and i have this little voice in the back of my head i'm like i'm sure somebody would frown upon this like i feel like i've heard you're not really supposed to do this but i mean come on i grew up doing this in the country like This is just this is the American way. This is the. way we do it um let's make this car great again is i believe what i was saying to myself at the time and um and i never went back and did it again but i still have you know plenty of this soap left i assume that at some point this summer i'll go out in my driveway and wash my car again except man i guess i can't i guess i like literally can't or if i do i can't talk about it in polite society because i heard this promo that was just like if you're washing your car in your driveway that's just going right into the sound man and that's like all this grime and the you know like and oils and soap you don't want that in the sound you must go to a car wash and i honestly thought to myself that is a real thing that is an important thing but also do the car wash companies kick in a little extra for this psa because man now i need to go to the car wash

very good point brown are you cutting your own hair it's going right into puget sound right brought to you by fantastic sam's like what um that's a really good point i just thought the solution to the problem could be they must sell some kind of toms of maine yeah of the soap that you wash your car with and by that i mean it won't do shit to address the problem right but it also is not bad for the salmon right um that's when they really get you in particular the seattle area when they want to make you feel bad they'll put a salmon on the sign oh yeah and they'll and and then it'll remind you that that's who's getting hit by the stuff that goes sort of you know uh out of your driveway and into the storm drains on the garbage cans right like it'll be

like hey you can recycle here and there's a bright sunshine or there's like a fish with x's over its

eyes and its family looking on as it slowly dies a baby going please my son be very sick um but like there must be a soap that's made that is much less bad for the environment but it sounds like you're saying maybe it even has to do with just the crud that's on the car i have a hard time Believing dust is bad for the Puget Sound There must be a certain amount of natural But also the like you said the oils This is the thing though everyone can win Um big car wash Can win Andrew and also Andrew Walsh's Aiken back Can win yeah because I'm here to tell you Uh that taking your car Through that little drive through car wash Deal um It's like the best 10 bucks I don't get The like you know ceramic Fancy you know what like they've got all these different washes that you can do um i don't ever do any of those i just do pretty much the bare minimum or maybe one up from the bare minimum but what's amazing about this car wash down in town is it a brown bear by the way or like they don't know that's just a random that's for that's for seattle coastal elites they don't do that down in long view washington um but uh but i don't even know what the actually you know what it might be called wash man i think wash man is the brown bear of down here they're all over portland and um uh and so anyway all that is to say i i was pulling up and they what they don't do at this place is they you can't do the the thing where you pay extra and a guy like comes out and vacuums the car wipes down all the thing and that's what i want i miss that well that they've got that in seattle that

can happen but now you're talking pink elephant's gone you know oh there's a brown bear there's got to be a brown bear on those brown bears though they don't usually have folks who are unless you go to one that i don't know black bear so here's the deal sorry to interrupt your story but i'm very kind of frustrated by this because sometimes i'll just tap into my phone because i've been to various brown bear car washes but i can never remember which one is which and it's not clear when you look it up on your phone like using google maps or whatever which one is going to be a brown bear where you come and you do it yourself by putting coins into a machine. There are brown bears where you go through on the conveyor belt or whatever, and those are the ones I want, and the bear will do a little dance while you wait, which is

very... That bear, I've heard, is dating the Gerber Collision and Glass bear.

Oh, wow, really? They've been spotted

stepping out on the town together. Gerber Collision and Glass.

That's a power couple. I've got to say,

I'm going along with this. They're the Taylor and Travis of that whole scene. I'm going

along with this out of context but i actually don't know this other bear mascot that you're

talking about there's like a baseballatized bear that is the mascot for something called gerber collision in glass in the northwest but what's great is the just keep talking i'll see if i can if someone has uploaded this to youtube i just want you to hear the gerber collision in glass jingle because it's it's truly something but keep going well one thing i will say one time when this

is years ago now vives and i were in the car waiting to go through a brown bear car wash like a proper one where you get on the conveyor belt and it does it all for you but there was a little bit of a backup and so you pay via this little electronic kiosk with like a little you know touch screen or whatever and then so we paid up and then we're waiting but the arm in front of us is not you know lifted for us to go through and the little bear this little animated bear for brown bear car wash is like hey sir there's a little bit of a wait let me do a little dance for you while you wait and the animated dare

Seriously?

Yes, and the little bear on the screen starts doing, like, this little jig, and Genevieve starts laughing her ass off. This is a long time ago. She's like, can I see a hat wobble? It was exactly like the Celery Man sketch. Now, cane I can get into. I was like, now bear I can get into, yeah. That's so great. But anyway, I often find myself confused as to which kind of brown bear I'm going to. One time I drove all the way to the east side for a pink elephant, and it was, like, a super long line and a tiny little – it wasn't, like, the full service. And, like, I can't find that good, like, L.A. style, like, you crack a magazine and you wait about 20 minutes, but your car goes through and then, like, somebody comes out, like you say, and does all the vacuuming afterwards and dries it off and does all of the whole kit and caboodle.

That's the mostly – well, I don't want to say that. It's not the default setting in Portland, but certainly the wash man that was near where I was living, that was what they did. And I guess I assume that was just – you could kind of assume that was the case. But but I also have decided that I don't I don't need that anymore because what this place had, by the way, cannot find a Gerber collision in glass ad that is the kind that I want. They have a lot of like training videos. Turns out it's a national company. I thought it was regional because the commercials that I've seen with the bear and like I think a baseball goes into someone's window like and I don't remember how if the baseball is all that convincing, like the idea being like, you know, the little one of the little sluggers. Little slug to foul ball into your window and then the bear comes over is like

And then it's like Gerber collision and glass and this was a commercial. This was something that aired on TV or or a hallucination or

Definitely one of the two, but what's funny

I was a retreat is when I saw yes, I kept throwing up into a bucket

Anyway So this place does not have someone that will do all of that kind of detail work on your car and vacuum it. But what they do have are a bunch of these vacuums that are – this is the new thing with the automated car wash, which is – and you've maybe even seen this in some places, Andrew. There are the vacuum hoses, but they're on these big loops now as opposed to what you and I kind of probably grew up with, which is this kind of like R2-D2-looking vacuum. and it's got maybe some clips if you wanted to clip your floor mats into it and just really go like rocky on a side of beef on them kind of a thing and you have that like, you know, pretty long vacuum hose but still one that you've got to kind of do some wrestling with that you'd get all in the and I remember that the end of it sometimes was still a little bit large to get down in the real kind of nooks and crannies of the car. Anyway, that is so 2000 and late Because as I was going through I asked the guy I go do I need to get Coins or something for those vacuums he goes no It's free if you did the car wash And I was like oh cool do I need a coat he goes No just whatever so I go through the car wash I pull Into one of these things and I Unsheath This very high powered Vacuum that's on this impossibly Long Like hose so that I can take it anywhere And it's on this like pulley device So I can just go all around my car with it there's no like like you know kind of doing that thing where you try to get it over to the other side and it had a very narrow little end to it that was it was so high power it was just like we just got everything in the car and that sound it's actually it's it's almost a a tactile sensation of crud from under your seat going through a vacuum that you're holding and you feel the slight vibration of like a pebble a dead french fry peanut uh you know a receipt from home depot do i need that i guess not probably i have a digital copy somewhere okay like and it's just like there's something about that experience for me of some it's it's it's more than just cleaning and i mean this comes up on spotless your other podcast i'm sure a lot there's something that's more fundamental that's going on for me which is i've been getting into this car for five months and like i'm not the kind of person like if you got in my car you wouldn't be like oh this is gross it's not like full of wrappers and stuff but it just hasn't been cleaned and there's just like again a buildup of pebbles and dust and god knows what was a moment when i got in your car

and the entire wu-tang clan was in there i remember a bunch of wrappers were in there so but that's not the use for you that was just that particular no there are most of them are busy with

side projects and sure rest and power odb so anyway um i just like it was it was one of those things that i have been putting off i've been and and even the exterior of the car has just been coated in like dust and pollen and pollen man oh our car is coated in pollen right now and like i see this car every day when i walk out of my house every time i get in it every time i'm jogging around the lake and I'm

being like, God, when am I done? And I see my car in the distance, like a city on a hill, like there it is. And it's, Oh, there it is. Boy, doesn't that car look like shit right now. It was such a simple thing this morning. I mean, the real reason that it happened was because I went down to pick up some dry cleaning and, um, uh, because I'm going to be traveling to LA this week. And then I'm going to be going on to Corvallis where, by the way, if you're in Corvallis, Cheryl et al, uh, we're going to be doing live wire at the prax at Oregon state university on Friday night with Hanif Abdurraqib but anyway I thought bring the signs Cheryl yes only admitted

only if you bring the sign no questions asked just bring the sign exactly it's sign amnesty

which is sign buyback program you turn it in we'll melt it down for something else so um I was going I went down to get these um shirts from the dry cleaner because I wanted to bring one of them to Corvallis and of course I had misread the um receipt and they're not ready until tomorrow which is i'm flying to la tonight so that's uh uh not going to work out i felt it was like on the one hand i wanted to be like to the guy who does the dry cleaning i wanted to say like really like we needed four days to do this but also i could have just asked to have it done quicker and i

didn't and it was right there oh can you pay an expedited fee can you oh yeah hugely and and more

than paying an extra an extra fee you can just sometimes say a lot of times they'll say hey is Wednesday okay and like you know me I'm usually dropping this kind of stuff off and I need to wear it within one hour so like oftentimes I'll go hey is Wednesday okay and I'll go is there

any chance we could make Tuesday work you mean last Wednesday I that's interesting to know because I feel like I used to drop I don't get a lot of things dry clean but I would get like my collared shirts laundered I guess I have stopped doing that now but certainly when I was in New Hampshire which is going back a ways I feel like I always took my collared shirts get them laundered and it would be like i don't know maybe not the next day but like if it's on a monday pick it up on a wednesday and then when i came to seattle or at some point i just sort i couldn't tell if it was the or i can't remember if it started with the pandemic like you were talking about in yesterday's show like kind of expectations have changed but like it i am always struck by how long it takes to get my laundered shirts back it's always like a week like or at least five days or a week i'm

just like really yeah i think i assumed because i dropped this off like and it's two shirts and i drop them off well into like like early in last week so I didn't even think to look at the receipt because I was like this is the one time I'm not pushing this this is the one time I'm dropping this off like I'm almost worried they're going to give the shirts away like they might just be like this guy's never coming back and so I go in and he's looking dutifully for the shirts and then he comes back and then he looks at the receipt he's like oh yeah it's uh not ready till tomorrow to Wednesday I was like uh so now I'm like in town and as you know that's a big undertaking for me Living out here in the semi rural America So I was like what else can I do

So you went to the supply shop And you got some grain probably right

I did I got yeah I went to the Wilco And I picked up some feed How's Doc feeling by the way

Is Doc still running the store

He's ailing but he's still Back there still behind the counter He's moving slower these days But he's still got That twinkle in his eye Hasn't been the same since his wife died Oh god Mabel Mabel, yeah. She was one of a kind. She was a spitfire, man. One of a kind. She wore the pants in that family, I'll tell you.

Thanks for rolling with me on that. I realize we are done with that bit, and then I bring up a widower. Like, boy, the cancer took her fast. I'm like, why? We're like, let's just move on. And you really saved that. I appreciate that.

So I noticed that next to the, oh, can I mention one other thing about the dry cleaner? What I noticed while I was waiting for this guy, the proprietor, to find my shirts, which were, in fact, not ready because I had a little time to look around, was someone had just gotten their Bobby Wagner Seahawks jersey dry cleaned, which I thought was a really interesting move.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, I guess, I mean, honestly, those, like, NFL jerseys, I bought my mom one of those for Christmas last year. They ain't cheap.

No, no. Genevieve got me a Kosar jersey a long time ago, and I think that thing.

and there's a lot of stitching and I mean it's probably makes a lot of sense to have it dry cleaned oh yeah there's something about it being Bobby Wagner I mean I don't know what Seahawk I think would be befitting of dry cleaning but like it just it would have been it would have been even funnier if it was like um what would be the funniest from the last couple of seasons Seahawk jersey to have like a I think I'm the wrong guy to Kobe Parkinson well there was a moment where

we had both a Kobe Bryant and a Michael Jackson on our team in the same year I believe they were That would be notable rookies. Can I mention one thing? A Quandre Diggs jersey. Vives and I were grabbing kind of an early, I guess if it was that early, I'll call it a supper. Genevieve had skipped lunch and then it was like 4.30. She's like, where should I go for lunch? I'm like, well, let's just, you know where we went?

rough and tumble again in ballard uh love that place and um you see any tens no not this time but it was a pretty slow day for this is like a sports bar that mostly focuses on it's kind of celebrates women's sports but they play all kinds of sports and there was on the televisions and it was a slow day there was not a lot of baseball on or whatever until like one of the nba um would it be a semi-final or a playoff game i guess i don't know man i'm so out of the loop on the nba i'm no help but it was and i wasn't paying attention my back was actually to the tvs but um i know i happen to know that it was the nuggets and the lakers and um i turned around at one point and i saw that there was a guy at the bar and i i don't know why this was strange i'm hoping you can tell me why i thought this was weird but he was wearing a lebron james jersey and like there's nothing weird about wearing like the jersey of one one of if not the biggest name in the sport that you enjoy like I'm sure this guy's a Lakers fan but like I'm just not around a lot of people who wear basketball jerseys maybe I see you know I see tons of Mariners jerseys and other baseball jerseys football jerseys I'm not I don't watch basketball and I just was like thinking about the thought process I know this sounds so weird but I was like why get a LeBron James jersey like it just seemed like the sort of the dumbest thing in the world to be like it's like getting a jersey that says basketball on it sort of like it just seems like so obvious

it's like being rob lowe wearing a hat that says nfl yeah and again like i guess if you live in la

you're gonna see more of that if you're somebody who like loves basketball or whatever i guess it just makes sense but there was just something about it that seemed so funny to me it almost just it was like turning around and seeing a jersey that says mcdonald's or basketball or whatever it's just like yeah i guess you're just like you know what i'm gonna get a basketball jersey you know who's good lebron james i should wear him on my back like so uncreative it's

certainly not the move that you and i would uh probably like that's why that's why you have a bernie kosar jersey i was gonna wear like if i was gonna wear a jersey it would of course have to be some sort of in joke yeah uh it wouldn't be a julio rodriguez jersey from the mariners It would have to be somebody who played four years ago, and it would make you laugh if you saw me in the jersey.

Tungsten Armo Doyle of the Akron groomsmen.

Exactly. And so that's just how our brains work. But I'm with you. I mean, I both understand why you were like, really? But also, I guess I just see that so much. You do. And also, here's what my perspective on that is. I was obsessed. Obsessed with Michael Jordan growing up. and you know saved up my lawn mowing money to buy jordans and wanted everything i was wearing to say jordan or have the you know the jump man logo on it or whatever they call officially that little kind of logo of of jordan and so i guess that's just for other people that's lebron like to me wearing a michael jordan jersey i mean the funny thing would be to wear like a charlotte hornets michael jordan jersey that would be interesting he was i was or a washington wizards michael was he ever i don't think he was ever a hornet i think he was a wizard and then he owned he co-owned a part of the hornets maybe but like a baseball jersey what about a michael jordan there you go like a durham bulls i think was that who he played for i don't i don't remember i don't know he never

made it to the majors how he was only triple i think he got to the majors for a cup of coffee

but i could be hallucinating that part but um yeah no like a michael jordan baseball jersey would be really funny i guess my point is i totally get that like what is what are you adding to the discourse wearing a lebron james jersey yeah uh nothing that being said i also you know would had my life taken a different path would to this day be wearing the michael jordan jersey which also raises the question what what am i adding to the discourse with that yeah i don't

i don't think i have a good explanation for why this seems so weird i think it's just that i'm not around basketball jerseys all that often, and being in Seattle. But again, the Lakers were playing, and this guy was wearing a Lakers LeBron James jersey. There's nothing on paper weird about that. It just struck me as, I just turned it into Jennifer. Did you have your Bernie Kosar jersey on? I was wearing my Bernie Kosar jersey. He may be doing a pod.

The guy in the LeBron jersey might be doing his own podcast right now. Why was that guy wearing a Bernie Kosar jersey to rough and tumble?

I totally got you off course on what you were saying, though. How do we get on jerseys? Oh, you were at the dry cleaner. Was that dry cleaner story done?

That was done. I just thought it was funny. Someone was getting their Bobby Wagner jersey dry cleaned. And all I was going to say is, would recommend vacuuming one's car out, everyone. So if you want a little pick-me-up. It certainly picked me up this morning. Let's just do this because we're talking sports here. Let's talk TBTL Little Sluggers. Of course, this is our Little League Baseball team that we sponsor in the park.

little league of portland oregon and uh they got off to a hot start i think that they were two wins and uh one tie for the first three games of the season i don't think that's right and then they ran into a little trouble a couple of games ago when they played what were reported to be the much taller um what were they called the uh the fire sharks was that

Yeah, that was the last opponent of the Fire Sharks. By the way, I mean, sorry to be no fun here, but I'm pretty sure it was a win, a tie, and a loss so far. And I think we're going to hear the results of Game 4, no?

Well, we've apparently got two wins, unless the books are being cooked.

Okay, well, they might be, but I'm all for cooking the books in this case.

What I know is that we've got two wins, and now, unfortunately, two losses, which you're going to hear about, and one tie. So five games, two wins, two losses, one ties I don't know the exact order of events But I'm going to tell you Straight from manager Ben's I was going to say pen But that's not really what you use to text Use a quill to text That's exactly right You sit in the lamplight At night And you text away to Luke In fact, Ben says, sorry for the delayed recap I've been processing On Saturday afternoon your tbtl little sluggers took on the big bananas of hollywood rose city league um so this is another thing andrew that i'm noting here this is not the uh parkside little league no what's happening i think to the little sluggers is as they venture out of the parkside little league where they are dominant they are running up against some you know some pretty tough teams this is in the hollywood rose city league that's where the big bananas hail from

i already i mean you name yourself the big bananas i feel like you're already you're are i mean the fire sharks you're that's a scary yeah thought obviously but the big bananas that's just boastful

i actually love it as a name honestly like i like it so much better than like five you know laser jaguars yeah or whatever else they're uh whatever else they're naming the other teams uh let's see here. Okay. We took on the Big Bananas of the Hollywood Rose City League. It was a late afternoon game and by the time we took the field, sunny skies had given away to dark clouds and wind gusts. Several dust devils slowed down play powered by the wind and bored eight-year-olds idly kicking up dirt. The Big Bananas came to the maelstrom ready to play. They made lots of good contact and several Great catches in the field I feel like at this level And I say this with peace and love Andrew Any catch in the field is a great catch I played baseball At this level as a youngster I think catch implies It was great Quote, this is the best they've played all year Their coach shared after the game Last week we couldn't hit anything This week we can't miss the ball Isn't that how baseball Is though, seriously?

It is It is.

It's not just how your team is playing. It's how the other team is playing when you happen to run into them. I think about this because the Mariners are taking on the Texas Rangers for a few games here, our rivals in the AL West. And I'm hoping we catch the Texas Rangers as they're falling apart, not building in strength as the big bananas of the Hollywood Rose City League apparently have been. Your sluggers just couldn't hang with that bunch. They peeled away from us, insert joke, about there always being money in the banana stand. Don't mind if I do then.

There's always money in the banana stand!

Let's see. The final score was Sluggers 4, Big Bananas 11.

Wow. Those are some big bananas.

Those are some big bananas on Brad. Yeah. I'll tell you what. We are now 2-2-1 on the season. So 500 to two and one.

My apologies for messing up the scoring.

I guess I somebody's been focusing a little too much on the Akron groom.

Yeah, exactly. I actually.

How did you do against Gurlitz?

Oh, this has just begun. And I'm so they're week long matchups. So Gurlitz and I, he's our commissioner. I've won every matchup so far. Very unlikely. I've never even made it to the playoffs before. I also didn't know how to play fantasy baseball the first three years I was playing it. So I feel like I'm really starting to dial it in just as far as the rules are concerned. But yeah, I've been pretty dominant this year so far in the first three or four weeks. But now I am going to get screwed.

Dueled this week by Joe.

It's going to be a classic Little Sluggers versus the Big Bananas kind of situation, huh?

I'm a little bit worried about that, but I also think, you know, it's a long season. And that's what I would say to the Junior Sluggers as well. It's a long season. You got a lot more play in you, a lot more games, a lot more interleague play, it sounds like. It sounds like you were pointing out that the interleague play is there.

I believe they play 162 games. So this is just five games in. I mean, there's 100 and whatever that is, 57 more games.

right so you're just getting started um in life and in baseball i would say you know control the zone i would say that both when you're at the plate and when you're on the mound we need to control the zone and if we if we sway away from that i think that's where we're going to start

to see issues i mean are any of these kids even going to driveline yeah i'm not i'm not sure i'm not sure about that what's the spin rate that's what these are the questions that i want to know

These are the important questions, Ben. What were we throwing last night, you know? Exactly. Was it all heat?

Ironically, Ben writes, I think that part of the problem is the last few games, we've been getting better at defense. Our players are getting to the ball, and they're willing to make close throws. However, we're not yet good enough to convert all those plays into outs.

But you've got to start somewhere. We like to see this progress. This is good.

We do. We had about a dozen close, close plays, some of which probably could have been called outs.

Be careful.

Don't get a fine. Sounds like somebody needs to take it up with the league. Some which could have been called outs, but for an overthrown ball, a dropped ball, or the defender not being on the base. I see that was why they weren't called outs, because of issues having to do with overthrown balls, dropped balls, or defenders not being on the base. You miss two or three plays like that each inning, and it takes the energy out of the whole team. But we will rebound from this slump and exit the doldrums of defeat. Our next game is Wednesday and I've got a secret plan to get the Sluggers motivated. Now, I hope this doesn't give it too much away, Andrew, because I do know that at least one of the Sluggers, Andreas, and his dad listened to TBTL now, at least on days when the Sluggers might be talked about. Oh, dear. So be cool, you guys, if you were hearing about this first here. Our game this Wednesday, The Secret Plan to Get the Sluggers Motivated, the debut of custom walk-up music for each player. Oh, nice. Yes. my next report will include a detailed analysis of each player's musical choices by the way an addendum to the first message that ben sent the hustle pin went to nico for a great day at the plate and a solid inning as catcher so a shout out to nico position congrats yeah that'll take wear and tear on the old body there nico be careful you take care of yourself and the congrats on the hustle pin yeah and uh congrats on the exciting development with the walk-up music to the little sluggers yeah i'm excited i

wonder if it'll be uh this song anybody choose my heart will go well

andrew i actually have the songs oh you have them now well i've got the songs they're actually in my um computer bag which i'm taking to los angeles because what i was thinking was for one of the shows this week i've got the music and i've got the the everybody's name on the team and what ben has asked uh you and i to do is to actually record the names of the players like tom hutler style oh okay and i thought maybe so that you know when they when when because ben's got like a some kind of a high-tech software system and apparently a speaker and he's going to be playing the walk-up music for the players and along with us, you and I, saying their names. So what I thought we might be able to do during the show is test out a few different reads, a few different attempts or approaches to reading the Junior Slugger names. What do you think?

Wow, I think this is great content, but as a listener of the show, I would enjoy this. As a participant in this podcast, I'm deeply nervous. What is the pattern? Do we just say the name or do we say, coming to the plate third baseman so-and-so like i mean how much how much this is exactly what we're

gonna figure out okay all right i think we should try it a few different ways we should try the todd berry approach all right um next up it's bea and then we should try it like and now coming to the plate bea like i think we should try a range and we'll just and and the other nice thing is if we just do it on the air and we have it in the clear we can just send that to ben we don't have to redo it but i also have all of the songs in case you want to hear what it sounds like with the

music. I see. Well, now we're just getting into it. I'm wondering do they need me to mix it in with the music or they have all the technology

to do that? You've got your hands full with production this week, my friend. Speaking of which, we should talk about that after we thank the Dazzling Donors. A fun thing that's going to be happening on Friday that I know you are very excited about. So congrats again to the Little Sluggers for the hustle, and we believe in you all. We know this thing is going to turn around. It's got to turn around.

It's got to turn around. I've got a lot riding on this. Fewer big bananas.

Why does DraftKings let me bet on this?

It does seem wrong. It does seem wrong.

I'm going to be the Jonte Porter of Little League Baseball band for life.

We need to start choosing our opponents better. Is there, like, the little locusts or, like, the –

Can we go more towards leagues that are called the tiny somethings?

Yeah, exactly.

The feeble.

The bored bedbugs. I think we can take on the bored bedbugs. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, the irony if I were to get banned for life from Little League for betting on Little League is, and if I joined the player, Jontay Porter, who has now been banned for life, we're both Nathan Hill high school graduates in Seattle.

Oh, really?

Like, what are the chances? Because you've got two high-profile Nathan, and I think people think of us as sort of the same echelon, two high-profile Nathan Hale graduates. He and his brother, Michael Porter, who's still a very good going concern in the NBA, they were part of what I think of as a regrettable kind of—regrettable might be overstating it, but what basically happened was they were these phenomenal basketball players who decided to come play in Seattle at my alma mater, Nathan Hale, because the team was basically hand-picked. They moved from, I want to say, Missouri or something, and then there was a thing where I believe their dad was made an assistant coach on the University of Washington. It's that classic way that very, very high-level supposedly amateur sports now work, where it isn't like these were some naturally occurring players at the school. It was like, let's put together a team at Nathan Hale, which has the best high school aged players in all of America. And if we need to have their dad get a coaching job at the local college to make it happen, that's what we're going to do. It just none of it felt it felt as astroturfy as astroturf gets.

Let me ask you this. Only we should really wrap up. This is not. You don't want more.

No, I don't want Max Preps analysis from me.

I actually do want a little bit more Jonte Porter context. And there's no need to do this now. I've just heard that name I know that he is banned for life I heard that for some sort of gambling thing but just tell me like is this a guy who's been in the league for a long time so he's only missing out on the last couple of years of his of his game or is this like a somebody who is young in the game who has squandered their entire future well he's not old he's 24 years old but he has not

been that's young but he is also not a guy who's like was on a starting lineup of an NBA team he He was bouncing – my sense is he was bouncing back and forth between the G League, which is essentially the minor leagues now of basketball, and pro teams on kind of short contracts. His brother, Michael Porter Jr., is in the top maybe 20 players in the league and a starter and everything. A ban for life for his brother, Michael Porter Jr., would be like, oh, my gosh, one of the better players in the league is now just kicked out. This is a guy who was a bit on the fringes anyway. I see. But yeah, I mean The reason that And I also think, by the way, that's part of why the NBA Didn't have to think long and hard about this

Yeah, right I don't know if Shohei Ohtani

If that would have turned out to be a different kind of story I don't think Shohei Ohtani is getting a lifetime ban from MLB Even if he had kind of been More in the know on that Than it looks like he was

It was probably Jonte's interpreter anyway

Well, that's the thing Jonte really messed up by not having Some kind of a person he could throw Under the bus but he was the the what the thing that was seen as so unforgivable was that he was through i think a proxy betting on games that he was playing in i don't know if it was for the raptors or if it was a different team but he was betting for his team to lose i don't even know if he got that you can't do that you then i don't even think he got in any of the games that he was betting on the team to lose. You know what I mean? He's just like looking around

he's like these guys. He's like yeah I'm watching warm ups I know that feeling

from playing high school basketball if I could have bet against my teams sometimes that I was on I know that feeling of you're just like oh no. He's wearing two left shoes.

not right they've got five guys who can dunk this is gonna be bad oh i see not looking around at your

own guys and thinking oh this is bad news bears but looking at the other team and saying those

are good news gears yeah right i think actually good news gears i think that's how good news gears is a pretty good show title considering how much bear talk there's already been i like that so okay anyway let's um let's thank some dazzling donors why don't we we was hoping for some razzle

dazzle. Razzle dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle dazzle.

All right. We've got to thank those dazzling donors like Will Burton, who's in Worthington, Ohio. Of course, we do allow is a weird way to put it because these are folks that are donating a dazzling amount of dough. We do offer. Offer, thank you That's a much better word Tolerate is the word I was thinking of We offer the chance for the listeners To clarify how exactly to pronounce their name After years, many years of me mangling their names Whoa, hold on I just stepped on a garbage can under the table here That I forgot was there And I thought I was in that I think you should leave sketch Where Tim Robinson's neighbor puts a nixon mask on a pig and it comes into his house yeah and he sort of that's the is that the

first sketch of the first episode of season three he like maybe because i feel like i saw it early on and then i've never gone back and rewatch it but doesn't he end up like because of the fight with the pig he ends up having some revelations about his own life and his own unhappiness

yeah it's very it actually gets very kind of it gets very dark and very existential in a way yeah existential is the word yeah he's having a property dispute with his neighbor who then as to get back at him sends a pig through his dog door with a nixon mask on it but when tim robinson's character sees this he interprets it as some kind of unholy man beast that's on all fours and his first thought is good i don't have to go to work tomorrow because this thing's going to kill me and then his realization is that if that is your reaction to an unholy man beast being in your house what is happening in this world that that's how we react to these things i have

some major regrets about the last time i tried to play some tim robinson um sound because i picked the wrong bits um but let me just try this dog doors can be a problem your dog can get out but

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going to get this thing so awful it is it is so unsettling and by the way i watched an entire mini i watched a mini documentary about the special effects people that made that thing andrew that thing of what's crawling into his house that thing of that so scary that's crawling into tim robinson's house that's not a bad tim robinson um anyway and then yes uh he he questions his very life yes um or the he questions what's going on in his life that there was a sweet release

of that i will restrain myself from playing the whole thing because that's probably not what will burton uh wants in fact you were getting at something i know what he was doing a good imitation of um tim robinson there by the way thank you thanks it only takes obsessively

watching i think you should leave 247 forever forever and ever that to finally get to nail the impression but uh will is using the little pronunciation um box on the form to say it's pronounced uh as in burton but said in luke's uh bill clinton voice so let me see here um if i uh i'm trying to get i haven't done this in a long time but uh i'd say will burton is in worthington

ohio i think just burton is the clinton though you got to say so it's like will burton yeah you did it it's very hard to segment that in the mind you know that you are like improv-ing with jenna maroney here i just try to make it as difficult and no but is possible on you wills in ohio no you don't sling blade

that is that is an amazing scene an amazing amazing scene what is happening again uh it's it's it's liz calling back to her and jenna's days and kind of like doing a second city style thing but jenna was the worst improviser of all time yeah and they say one of you has to be oh

oh no i missed that up one of you has to be oprah and one of you has to be sling blade and Liz goes I love those french fried potatoes and Jenna goes no you don't Oprah that's

really good okay so good will says friendos long time donor first time dazzler i decided to up the ante this year since you went independent and because of suzy b and her show stealing from the last thon that was so much fun my mom will be so unbelievable i don't unfortunately will i apologize i don't have the what up dog drop right in front of me but i will pass this on to my mom who will be so chuffed to hear that my mom let something slip the other day just casually that she just like app like apropos of kind of nothing in that she wasn't like on tbtl it hadn't necessarily been a topic for a while there was nothing specific going on but she said she just jumped on the like stens page to chat with people oh wow because she loves talking to the tens and let's be honest getting the positive feedback from the 10s like she's gone from being minimally aware that I do this podcast to it being a thing at least interacting with the 10s that gives her great happiness and I think sometimes when she needs a little emotional boost she'll just log on to the 10s page and be like Susie be here

I did not know that the 10s must love that yeah I didn't know that's what she was doing either

now y'all keep me posted because she can you know get off the rails sometimes

Of course.

Keep it light. That was like if Pee Wee Herman was doing a gene from Bob's Burgers impression. Anyway, I'll tell her that, Will. I'm a new listener since 2014. Sure. Only a decade. Thanks to my TBTL madre, Erin, in Portland. She introduced me to the show when we lived in Shanghai, and I was immediately hooked. You all have brought great joy over the last decade, and I have allowed my five, Nora, and I, to chat via drops. That's a tuna, bro. And I just love hot Cheetos are her faves. Let's see. Do I have these? Oh, you know what? I, uh, oh, I do have this.

That's a tuna, bro.

Whoa, Nora likes it when I play the drop really loud, Andrew. That's a tuna, bro. She said that specifically. And also, look at this right here. I just love hot Cheetos. And even, uh. I'll say, what's up, dog? What a trove. What a treasure trove of drops. Let's see. I also, you've played Drops of Nora. saying, what's the point of this stupid podcast? Why would anybody listen to it? Ouch.

What's the point of this freaking podcast? It doesn't even make sense. Why would anybody listen to it?

Now, in our defense, I do not believe Nora is actually talking about TBTL right there. I believe Nora is talking about I don't know if it's Will's podcast or some other sports podcast because I have it actually labeled I don't have it in front of me right now, but I'm pretty sure I have it labeled probably because of my own fragile ego in my audio like Nora talking about a different podcast like I think I have notes in here let me see here here uh Nora pointless podcast daughter of Will talking about Will's sports podcast is what I have so that's not about us although still that thought has occurred to

some people about us um random connections i was born and raised in geaga county how'd i do andrew nice very good nice and i went to the college of worcester uh-huh pronounced worcester i propose a tbtb shareholder meeting to be held in any ohio city of your choosing and also more walt b well that'll be happening this spring and summer as walt and i can continue on this endless project of trying to fix this shack up if i can tear him away from my freaking rivals i was talking to him this morning on the phone about backsplashes and he goes well i just got to get this stuff done at the annonsons and i was like what in the what in tarnation it's going on here how do my how am i missing out on time with my own father who i pay handsomely i have to always clarify that lest people think well no wonder your dad doesn't want to go work for free no this is a job for him How is it that I cannot entice him to come down here and watch Britbox with me? He's overworking with the people who he's not related to. Anyway.

He should start a bidding war. Maybe you pay a little bit more. You get a little bit more attention.

Do you think that's what he's doing? Maybe. God, that is so frigging diabolical of Walt. He's stupid like a fox. He's like, oh, well, I don't know. I'll just charge whatever, you know, try to keep it fair. And then it's like a couple more bucks, though, might get me down to the Madrona Hill studio. Also, let's see, shout out to fellow Worthington, Abby Hersey, an amazing artist that everyone should check out. Love you guys. And remember that what you do is so important. Will, what you do is so important and what Nora does is so important. Appreciate that. Did you hear, Andrew, and we don't have unlimited time today on the show, but do you know that there's, I know this is.

and not probably Geauga County. Is Edina, Ohio, in Geauga County?

I don't know that there is an Edina. There's a Medina. I grew up in Medina County. Oh, maybe Medina. Oh, yeah, but it wouldn't be. Yeah, because I grew up in Medina County. It's Medina. And then eventually I moved to an actual city of Medina in Medina County. Is that rural? Pretty rural, yeah. Like Valley City was in Medina County. I mean, everything's kind of changing.

Is it the kind of place where Luke Raley would have worked on a Christmas tree farm?

Oh, yeah, sure. Is Luke Raley from Ohio, too?

He's from Medina, Ohio. They were talking on the show. His family had a tree farm there. He used to have to tie 1,200 Christmas trees to roofs every Christmas season.

Is there a chance that Luke Raley is actually from Valley City? I mean, there's a lot of townships in Medina. I don't know, man.

Hey, Gorgle, where's Luke Raley from? But I heard that. I heard that. I always mix up Edina and Medina. But I heard that on the broadcast the other day, and I was like, How did this buff dude escape, and literally in this case, how did this dude escape Andrew's Medina County radar?

Avon. So it looks like he grew up in Avon, which I always get confused a little bit with Avon Lake. But he graduated from Highland High School in Medina, Ohio. I don't know if Highland was there when I grew up there. I'm not sure.

The high school or like the. Yeah. So another reason to root for him. Wow. Anyway, Will, thank you so much for upping to a dazzling donor. I hope we've made good on that investment for you over this year. And speaking of which, we'll be returning to remind everyone to keep it rolling, if they can, with TBTL and our next TBTL-a-thon, which is going to be a humdinger, we think. We're already soliciting original content for this latest TBTL-a-thon. I think the listeners are going to love it. So anyway, thanks, Will. Appreciate you. Couldn't do this without you. Maestro

Oh

You know Andrew I'm not even I'm not even freaking you You really got me on that one I want to tell people I want to take the listeners even further Behind the scenes They were like isn't this as far behind the scenes

Please close your robe As it goes Please just close your robe is what the listeners would say

It's like a fake western set but now we've gone behind the set But now we've just walked up against the foot of the San Gabriel

mountains that's right where what we're knocking the sun over that's there's no more there's no

more behind the scenes and yet there is uh we we took a little break here to uh compose ourselves and organize our thoughts and uh you noted to me that patrick reddington in citrus heights california who's our second dazzling donor today that patrick said it's time for a little cat

rolling that's the entirety of patrick's dazzling donor message yes it's time for a little cat rolling and i didn't really know what to do with that because um you obviously if i read it yeah

it's kind of a tell it's telegraphing it it takes a little bit of the punch out of the joke and so you said to me and i if you if this was all a setup i gotta say andrew masterfully executed because it's also the kind of thing you would just say in real life you're like i probably should have pulled the cat roll thing but whatever i didn't and i was like yeah because i didn't know how the joke was really i was already in my mind was thinking i was going to explain to patrick that catrolling works the best when you don't see it coming. And then, because my brain is Swiss cheese, after we had that conversation and then we thanked Will Burton and then we talked about Luke Raley and Christmas Trees, I completely forgot about all of that. And then when I said Maestro, I was absolutely expecting the normal music. And you got me. You and Patrick Reddington got me.

I'll be honest with you. It wasn't that well thought out. It was sometime during Will's thank you that it occurred to me I'm like well I should get it ready I'm like oh when you say Meister I'll just play it there and then job done as they say you were in a flow

state you were just like I love that you were just reacting in the moment sometimes it's when you get the best stuff so it's like it's like that thing where it's like

how many babies can you fit in a tire right no it's a good question you practice you practice and then you forget it so I'm just saying

um when does Patrick learn it exactly Patrick thank you though for the donation and thanks for creating that moment I know there are a lot of people who still to this day love a good cat rolling on this program and i guess the question for you andrew is now that you're watching whatever that new show is the third body problem oh yeah i gotta pick that up again yeah what because that's from the creators of game of thrones i'm planning on watching it again when i get back to town uh we've got to figure out what is the new cat rolling what is the new yes gonna be david benoit and whoever the other person is behind that stuff that we can adopt as the new thing the new spoof to play on each other yeah i need to well first of all like

when i first started watching that show just so you know i had i think i knew in the back of my brain that it was the game of thrones people but it actually it wasn't

forefront on my brain and so i don't know that i would have thought oh this is a real game of thronesy i mean obviously when you see the onion knight or whatever you're like oh where do i know him oh god that's the onion knight you know i i'm a little bit worried about your expectations going into this i mean this is about as different from game of thrones as you can imagine it's very sci-fi i think i said on the show genevieve says it's based on a hard sci-fi book but then when i said oh it's that hard sci-fi tv show she clarified the tv show is not hard sci-fi they softened it up quite a bit but the book is hard sci-fi i don't know when genevieve became a hard sci-fi yeah like snob but i saw it happen before my eyes in the past several years but i like the show i'm about four episodes in and near the end of one of them and it was right as i was sort of starting to fall asleep anyway like something really big happened i'm like i i don't know i want you to see the show and i want you to enjoy it but i want your expectations to be somewhat tempered you're not getting into a game of thrones situation here it's something very different

thank you for the the expectation management the level setting as it were um i think i have that i think i'm in that good space with that like i doesn't it didn't look to i already saw a couple parts where i was like i don't know if that's gonna work for me but just the idea that it's watchable yeah like that's the thing that i wanted to hear what i really liked was the first couple

this is the truth and I think I might have already said this to you so my apologies but like the first episode is complicated I think the first time I watched it I turned it on like late at night it maybe even dozed before I got to the end and then I maybe watched the end again the next day but I knew that it was good enough to pay real attention to so I re-watched the first episode if that tells you anything like it was a little difficult the first time but I was invested enough to want to sit down and like really pay attention to it and actually re-watch what i already seen so i think they do a really good job of hooking you at the beginning okay good

well i i'm going into it with that expectation but not that it's going to change my life or anything but that it might be a might be a fun watch so all right thank you to our dazzling donors for supporting tbtl i want you to know that luke of three years ago would have played the cat role there to just try to level the playing field to try to get you know to get back at you for that but I don't need to do that anymore you couldn't find it I'm an elder statesman of podcasting now Andrew

couldn't find the tape could you

I actually couldn't but I wasn't trying to I wasn't trying to in my defense and in all honesty I really I wouldn't do that to you or the listeners I think one a day one every six months is probably playing like me vacuuming my car it's probably enough hey speaking of television content that I would recommend. This documentary about the making of We Are The World that is on Netflix right now called I think it's called The Biggest Night in Pop is really, really good. I mean, I would highly recommend it. I don't, you know, like most people, I think my thoughts on We Are The World is like, oh, that was a song from the 80s that, you know, was everywhere and i think it allegedly raised some money for uh people in africa who were who were you know suffering from as we now say food insecurity and that was about as much as i ever thought about that song um i didn't think about the logistical lift that it must have been to get pretty much most of the most famous singers in america at the time in the same room to record something together pro bono ironically it didn't feature bono he was in the british version i was

working on something there in my brain i was like but i honestly couldn't remember if he was there or not that's interesting because like you would see you would think that this would be right in his wheelhouse but i guess he's coming around a little bit later than that it's actually not that

he'd already just done one oh okay in the uk that was organized by this guy named bob geldoff and And that was the song that was Do They Know It's Christmastime. Oh, okay. Which kind of, like, with the benefit of hindsight, is not really the way that we would, like, talk about trying to help people. That's like doing a song. That's like the greatest pop stars of Iran doing a song going, Do They Even Know It's Ramadan.

Exactly, yeah. No, I didn't really. I don't remember that from my youth. I remember We Are the World, of course, But I think Do They Know It's Christmas maybe popped up on my radar as an adult. And I remember whenever I considered it as an adult, I was like, oh, what a what a colonial, awful song. I know that I know that the message was the intentions were good, but that that ain't how you do it. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the song kind of slaps, but it's it's just. Yeah, that's not really like – that's not the way that we would try to, let's say, support and create relations with people that are culturally different than us is to be like, do they even understand our culture? But at the time, that wasn't how we were interpreting these things. And so this had been this big sensation in the UK, and it had raised a bunch of money. and uh and so um some folks i believe it was actually um harry belafonte called up lionel richie and said hey we should try to do something like this in the u.s and and tasked like quincy jones and lionel richie and michael jackson with kind of collaborating to come up with this song which ended up being we are the world and the uh the the big the big thing was how are we going to get all of these people in the same room all these really famous singers and um and it was decided that the night of the american music awards everybody would be there in la for the i mean also what a time when anyone gave one half of a shit about the american music awards like it was like not to be missed if you were an american pop star in this era and i actually don't have the year off the top of my head. I'm going to say it's probably 85 or something. But everyone was going to be in LA for the American Music Awards. So if they could just convince enough of these people to come after the American Music Awards, to come to this music studio and sing this song that they were all going to get a cassette tape of, then they were going to do this whole sort of production. And just the logistics of it are so fascinating. The way that they you know were had this dream list of people and who they were able to who said yes and who said no and who was a maybe you'll be shocked to know prince was a game time decision never came through also the sheer star power of lionel richie in this moment is something that i would have never remembered lionel richie is writing we are the world he is hosting the american music awards which is a real song and dance number he's performing multiple songs during the american music awards he's also the host he's doing sketches he wins like six awards so he's like off stage toweling off from doing a number and they're like and the winner is lionel richie that he comes out and gets some like lucite statue goes backstage and is getting ready to come out and host the show like and then get everyone to go over to this a&m recording studio

that was down the street to record We Are The World, which he wrote with Michael Jackson. It was Lionel Richie's world, and we were just living in it.

Wow, man, the power of cocaine. But see, that's the thing. I have no idea. I just think of the 80s and like, and then we'll do this, and then we'll do that, and there'll be a space theme.

I'll tell you what, if Lionel was doing a little bit of that booger sugar, he had a really good system for it because I've seen it, I've seen it work, and I've seen it not work, Andrew. And he was phenomenal. there's so much in in this moment because what really happens and why i find this so interesting this this documentary is because what it really is is a study of celebrity and of human dynamics because you end up with this recording room that's got at the time some of the biggest recording artists in america and they're all used to being the most famous person in any room they're in and they're all used to being the star and they're all used to singing the good part of the song And now you've thrown them together and you're asking them to unwire everything that their brain has been wiring itself to do for the last, let's say, five years of them being famous. And it's like, obviously, Michael Jackson is there, although he co-wrote the song. So we're not as worried about Michael Jackson and diva status. He's sort of a worker bee in this thing, which is interesting. Lionel Richie is serving this incredible function Of going around to each little grouping of folks Because what's happened is when they all show up And we're talking like You've got Cindy Lauper is there Stevie Wonder is there Ray Charles Let's see Kenny Rogers shows up Harry Belafonte is there Paul Simon Kenny Loggins Huey Lewis It's this very Diana Ross It's this interesting collection of people and everyone's kind of cozying up with people that they know from other projects or that they're friends with. And and I've never I've never been involved with something like this, nor will I ever be involved with something at this level. But I can I can kind of think about what it's like when you're trying to do some creative project with a group of people and you really want it to go in a certain direction. But you're trying you're trying to kind of steer the boat, but without making anyone feel like you're forcing them into anything. And the way that Lionel Richie is going around and doing diplomacy within the like, we are the world crew, because by the way, people. want to change the lyrics to the song people want to like at some point stevie wonder wants to do part of the song in swahili and like how do you tell stevie wonder you can't do the song in swahili he's like but what about someone points out that's not the language in ethiopia where this money is trying to go but like again i i it's like then there's this debate now by the way this is all happening at four in the morning because they get to the studio at like 11 o'clock at night so it's four in the morning and someone's trying to explain to stevie wonder nicely that we don't want to rewrite part of the song and put it into swahili at this point merle haggard leaves when he hears they're going to do swahili literally just walks off the risers never to be seen again not a great look for merle haggard no it's not that kenny rogers stayed if we're going with the

country genre kenny rogers did not bolt at the at the mention of swahili merle haggard out of here

yeah so i have a feeling the word bullshit was uttered under his breath or maybe honestly he

may have said it on camera yeah it's so funny to hear somebody who was standing next to him go yeah and then merle haggard just said i don't know what's going on but i'm out of here this is some bullshit and you just see merle haggard get down off the back riser and just walk right on out of

the studio i like how you know this takes place in the 80s and i was a kid in the 80s so maybe i'm like sort of like i don't know have i have some weird imprinting going on but the way you're describing and of course i've seen the famous footage i've seen the video or whatever but it is very much like a almost like a child's performance in that you do have all these sort of kind of unruly probably somewhat bored at times fidgety people who are literally up on like risers choir probably not that different than what you'd find in a gymnasium for a talent

show at the time right yeah exactly um and and yet they're the biggest stars in the world and uh you know they're not again they're not used to just being part of like you said a high school chorus of sorts and everyone's got an opinion and that's one of the things Lionel Richie says in the documentary is like um I forget how exactly he phrased it but he was basically like this is one of those things that if you let people if you start to if you talk to these famous people In a way that sounds like you're soliciting Feedback you've already Lost the battle like you've got to Kind of like somehow put it In their brain that this is what we're Doing this is what everyone is doing It's not like hey how do we all feel about it Hey does anyone have any good ideas because The thing is they've only gotten to like Five in the morning or something and then they're just going to lose Everyone so they have To stay on track I'm sending You by the way a clip of the part of this Whole thing that just really absolutely delighted Me I just emailed this to you the thing that really sold me on this and by the way it's so what's great about this documentary to me is that it's so everything that was happening with the production of this was being filmed so there's so much great footage of the behind the scenes of the the writing of the song there's a point where they're at michael jackson's house and a michael jackson's missing boa constrictor just shows up like he'd been missing for days and like lionel richie is there to try to write the song and all of a sudden this giant snake just comes out of a corner michael jackson's like oh there you are and like he wants to bring bubbles out and lionel richie's like i don't want to play with the chimp i want to write we are the world right now did anybody point out that michael jackson had some strange proclivities i don't think so underreported yeah underreported but there's just it's just so um like i said it's just kind of so uh well documented it isn't like a thing where a lot of documentaries or things that are talking about historical moments depending on how long ago it happened or if um you know there were cameras there you have to do these reenactments or these artful shots of like a hand grabbing a gun whatever this is not that we have it all we have all the footage and it's amazing and the most amazing footage andrew of all which i just sent you and i don't know if you've seen this before but it is bob dylan trying to exist within the context of the recording of we are the world are you familiar with this footage i don't know it

hasn't come through yet for some reason maybe because it's a video but i i just here's what i'll just tell you what i kind of remember is when you were listing everybody who's in this i think you mentioned cindy lopper cindy lopper was in this right like i have a she didn't want to be

in it by the way her boyfriend listened to the song sorry but at the amas this is corny lano ritchie cindy lopper comes up to him and goes i'm not going to do the song my boyfriend listened to

it and didn't think it's a hit oh was her boyfriend like a producer or something or just

Larry Fortensky who would later go on to marry Elizabeth Taylor no I don't know who her boyfriend

was but he was dead wrong um I was gonna say I just and again this could be a totally false memory but all my memory is is I feel like I feel like Bob Dylan Dylan and Cyndi Lauper were either in close proximity physically during this, like on the stands, or they just had solos maybe that were in close proximity. For some reason, I grouped them together in my memory of the song and the original video. But that's all I got for you.

Cyndi Lauper, I know this because I watched the doc. Now, I don't know how the final video is cut together. You could be totally right about that. The immediate grouping of Cyndi Lauper, and I don't know why this is interesting to me, is Cyndi Lauper, Huey Lewis, Sans News. And Kim Karnes Who sang the song Betty Davis Eyes Another thing that's so fascinating About This snapshot of time is Who was famous The people who were famous enough at the time To be part of We Are The World But who are not to this day Considered particularly iconic You know You have Al Jarreau is there Who was a singer in the 80s And was popular but is not somebody who like you go out on the street and go like what are your take what's your take on algero most people don't have one um funny thing about him he was drinking a lot of wine during the production they were trying to get his solo in before he had had too much wine was something that's in this documentary or you have like there's a point where you definitely see latoya jackson on stay on the risers although she's not really credited like i don't know there's there's a lot of jacksons that are there that aren't like particularly notable for their artistic contribution i think that's because Michael Jackson co-wrote it so it's like everybody in but like there's you know there are just a number of people you know Dan Aykroyd is in it no I didn't know that fresh off of Ghostbusters Dan Aykroyd is one of the singers like I mean there's just so much weird shit that was going on and Dan Aykroyd is listed first on the record because his last name starts with A and they went alphabetical it's basically a Dan Aykroyd production

that's how I always thought of it I don't know why I'm saying this I'm just cluttering up the story and i have the video here i'm not sure if you want me to watch it with the sound on uh and you get my reaction or i'm not don't have the sound on because the sound is

annoying as hell unless i contextualize it because the sound is me watching this video in my living room videotaping it because i was going to send it to addie because she had told me to watch

this movie but what were you gonna say so it's 11 um oh you were oh i was gonna say this is not interesting, but it's just surprising me that like Ghostbusters was filming at the same time as this, even though I know they're both 80s productions. For some reason, I think of this as being like so long. I think of We Are the World as being such a earlier 80s thing. And maybe because of its longevity and pop culture, I think of Ghostbusters as being so much more modern. It's hard for me to like kind of think of these coexisting sort of at the same time. That's not interesting. Now, this video that you sent me is 11 seconds long. I'm not hitting play until you tell me to hit play because I'm not sure if you want my live reaction or what or do you just want to describe it

so what it is and again this was not made for us to be playing here on the show and it was not made for your consumption necessarily but it is me if you've gotten the right video although weirdly mine says 16 seconds what would account for a 5 second difference in our video does that make any sense at all

the internet probably left some of it along the tubes oh really it's somewhere near Tacoma that is the S curves I don't know, lost it around the S-curves

Really, it's lost in the S-curves again? Why did it even take 405?

Oh, you know what? No, it is, I think it had something to do with A funkiness of my player I am now getting it

Funky little player

We both do We all do our own French Okay, it's 16 seconds long

So basically I'll just set it up this way Bob Dylan Is the only person On the risers who appears to have never been a part of any kind of musical training, choir class, literacy project, being around humans, coexisting at all, ever. What you have is, and this is only one. This is just the one I grabbed. There's another one that I'll tell you about in a minute.

What you have is. I'm accusing everybody of being on drugs, but I think he's probably pretty high on marijuana.

No. I mean, maybe that was his system for this. I don't know. But what you have is you've got Smokey Robinson. You've got Ray Charles. They're both kind of in front. Bob Dylan is in a cool part of the We Are The World choir alignment. He's not stuck with a LaToya. He's got like musical legends. And everyone is singing and everyone is into it. And by the way, I think it was Quincy Jones put like a handwritten sign up that said, Check your ego at the door Which was a very smart thing to do And from this documentary You get the sense that people really did that These famous people really checked their ego at the door By and large And everyone's just having a joyful time

singing we are the world and then you just catch these shots of bob dylan amidst the crowd and so while you're watching it andrew i'm going to just play i'm going to play the audio of me watching this movie and seeing how bob dylan actually looks while singing we are the world

now can you please watch the video and give me your honest yes i'm sorry i thought i was watching it before when i said stone because i was getting it like his eyes seem a little red to me and but again i don't know why i'm suddenly accusing everybody of doing drugs i have no idea i wasn't there i don't know if i mentioned it to you i was not i wasn't invited for some reason no does that seem weird to you it seems sort of weird to me i'm gonna use andrew erasure will not stand as a show pick but um there you know it's also i think it's interesting that you point out how late it is i mean if i'm being honest if i were invited which again i wasn't i would look more like bob dylan than anybody else there because i would be freaking exhausted after this is it what you think they're recording this now at like what two in the morning or something

Probably but what I would say is Everyone there seems to be able To get it up For we are the world Now here's I didn't grab this clip But the part that was really hilarious to me In just the kind of like One of these things is not like the other Is this actually this moment In the documentary that seriously made me Feel emotional because it was so Kind of joyful and pure And it was when they had finished up the big The big kind of choir recording So now they're going to go into the like solos right and harry belafonte legendary civil rights activist and and actor musician and kind of the impetus for this whole thing they're saying harry belafonte is now finished and so i think quincy jones says hey i just want to thank and honor harry belafonte and everybody starts clapping he's a legend and al giro who's apparently had just the right amount of wine at this point starts singing the famous harry belafonte song the day oh yeah it's a day oh and this is when you start to go oh this is why these people are famous singers they just start singing unprompted this harry belafonte song in perfect pitch oh wow and al giro is just like knows every lyric is singing it beautifully and harry belafonte is clearly very honored i mean it is just this really beautiful improvised moment that just is so struck me as so pure and so cool and then in the midst of all it is a totally

checked out bob dylan in this clip he looks almost a little bit confused too just like wait

how did i end up here like he so you're watching it now too i'm watching i'm just i'm not watching

that particular scene that you're describing but there even seems to be confusion on his face in the clip that you sent me not just like checked out but also kind of like wait almost like he woke up on these rafters and is suddenly like trying to figure out what's going on yes which

i've done before which i have done before now i will say this so that it doesn't sound i'm going too hard on old bobby old bobby z um they do he does sort of redeem himself at the end and you kind of get a little bit of a different sense of him which is i mean it's like it's like two thirds of the way through the movie you're like this movie should be called what was going on with bob dylan like forget the greatest night of pop this whole movie should be like what the hell is happening with bob dylan but then so they get to the point where it's time for bob dylan solo and they he's got the headphones on he's listening to the music and let's just say uh let's see if i can google like bob dylan lyrics uh we are the world we are the world okay uh let's see uh you think that'd be easier to find okay uh i don't know the bob dylan part there's a choice we're making we're saving our own lives it's true we'll make a better day just you and me this is according to smule.com andrew uh smule let's make music together this is the bob dylan part of we are the world so he's got the headphones on and it's time for his solo and he's literally like i'm not kidding andrew just imagine like he's singing that loud that's it's his solo and that's how loud he's singing and you're like what like what is wrong with this dude and then i was like I think I remember him being in the song. How did he get in the song being this bad? And he goes like, he takes headphones off and he's like, I might need to, I might need to do that again. in or I might need to I might need some help or whatever I'm making him sound like Tom Petty by the way Tom Petty not there which would have which interesting oh yeah Stevie Wonder takes Bob Dylan over to the piano and Stevie Wonder plays the Bob Dylan part and does essentially a Bob Dylan impression back to Bob Dylan like hey man this is how you want to do this and it like a light bulb goes off for Bob Dylan and why it was hard for him to figure out how to be Bob Dylan During this part Without Stevie Wonder's intervention Is a mystery to me Seems like you're Bob Dylan You should just be There's a choice we're making We're saving our own lives Like you just do Sing it But louder Like the way you sing shit dude That's a good Bill Clinton By the way Thank you It's just you and me It was like I don't know why he needed Stevie Wonder to help him But thank God Stevie Wonder did Because then he goes back And then he just does What I just did He just With like Some oomph he just sings the there's a choice we're making we're saving our own lives it's true and make a better day just you and me he just sings it like bob dylan which is slightly out of key kind of weird but like that's what we're looking for from bob dylan but like i swear to god if i think about

the look on bob dylan's face from that clip that i sent you i'll just be like i could be anywhere in my life i could be getting on an alaska airlines flight at pdx in a few hours i will just start laughing aloud wherever i am i know i never thought of it just being a marijuana related

situation i'm totally and by the way i'm apparently this has been the the scuttlebutt of the internet for quite some time and people are getting mad on reddit and other people way back in 2016 for accusing him of being stoned they're saying he was just in the he's waiting for his solo and he's nervous let's not skewer the guy so apparently i don't buy it by the way yeah i don't i don't think anybody knows for sure but i actually don't love just generally in life the shortcut of that guy must be stoned so i actually kind of regret saying that but that was my initial reaction based on his eyes and just like whatever but like who knows what anybody's going through at any moment and like the this assumption that like oh he must be stoned i just i hate that knee-jerk

reaction so my apologies for playing a part in it but i i do i i will say by the end of it i i found in a weird way i found it to be somewhat humanizing about bob dylan because the takeaway that they give you now maybe this is the filmmakers just trying to kind of create this narrative is even bob dylan's get nervous and even bob dylan's feel overwhelmed and like he doesn't really and then there's this actually very sweet moment where bob dylan does his there's a choice we're making da da da and then everyone's like yes you did it and like glennel richie's happy and quincy jones is happy and and i'm paraphrasing here but like quincy jones is like that was amazing or something and bob dylan literally goes like well if you say so like he totally has a reaction that like you or i would have if we were doing something creative and somebody was like that was good and we didn't think it was good but we're like i guess i have to believe you and like it goes from being like what the like me being like really you're too cool for this bob dylan to being like oh my god dude was hella overwhelmed this is he doesn't know how to do this he probably wasn't in choir he's not like this is not how he operates he wants to do a good job but he doesn't really know how to do it he's kind of nervous and then he does it and he feels sheepish about his performance but he's but but he's um like okay i guess you know quincy jones if you think it was good and then like they like hug and you can tell that bob dylan is so relieved that he did it that it's over and he just kind of gets he lets like lets this big like sigh out that you kind of realize what was probably really going on for him and it was like this is a good sell

this is very tempting I'd heard Luke I literally can't remember if I heard it on a podcast or literally overheard people in public talking about this I remember hearing somebody talking about this somewhat recently about this documentary but this is a pretty good this is a pretty good sell I just want to play this is from the original video here my memory of Bob Dylan being anywhere near Cyndi Lauper both physically which you've already said I was wrong about and also within the final song. But I don't know how they cut the video together. There's no truth to that at all because I'm looking at it now. Their solos are very far apart but I think that in my head those are just two solos maybe two people that stood out for me based on

probably people you had some cultural reference for as a kid in Ohio. Maybe

yeah or maybe even later than that because I think I came to really liking Cyndi Lauper what I know of her later on in life I'm Cyndi Lauper is one of those artists wherever I hear one of her pop songs that like I know the very very famous ones I'm like why don't I know like a full record by her I love everything that she's putting out there in what I in the very

limited scope of what I've heard, but here's the Dylan verse as it's finalized. You want to just go with my impression, which was pretty good? Shades of Quincy.

Saving our own life.

You know, I feel like and I feel like we're not bringing you with us on this key change. You stay right there. We'll be up here if you need us. The difference in energy, too. Of course, the camera shot's very different for this final cut, but like the energy is different. And it really does. Again, the more I talk about this, the more I sort of like kind of regret my knee jerk reaction of being like, oh, he was stoned and necessarily checked out. But he seeing hearing the story that you told and then seeing this final cut where he's feeling more secure in what he's there to do really does give credence more to the argument that he wanted to be good. He was maybe the opposite of checked out and just nervous and wanting to do a good job. And then a friend helped him do a good job. And now here he is belting it out. Like, I don't know. I kind of love this story.

Yeah, it's very life affirming. There's this moment at the end By the way, Cyndi Lauper crushes her solo And what's so cool about it Is you get to watch her do it like four or five times Because what basically happened was The people at the end of the song This is the sense I get from watching it The people at the beginning of the solos Would do their solo And this is like Paul Simon singing And then Kenny Rogers And then like whomever And then if there was a mess up They would go back and start over What it means is at the end of the song The Huey Lewis The Huey Lewis, Cyndi Lauper Kim Carnes version They were never getting to do their part Because it would never get to them unbroken And so After like everyone in the beginning Of the solo part Have had like eight tries of doing their solo Because someone would mess up And they'd start over again Huey Lewis goes over to like Could we practice our part too please Because Huey Lewis is filling in for Prince They had written this solo for Prince Who didn't show up Huey Lewis comes out smelling like a rose on this Everyone's just like what a gamer What a sweet guy He's like I was so nervous man They gave me this part for Prince I was like my knees were literally knocking I was so nervous And so But you get to hear Cindy Lauper Doing her solo a bunch of times And you're like oh my god She's such a good singer Like a powerful good singer Like if you remember the video for Girls Just Want to Have Fun which is my initial awareness of her it's like it's such a it seems like such a silly poppy song with her dad is played by Captain Lou Albano the wrestling manager with the rubber bands in his face it just is like a it's a silly lark and that was for the longest time kind of how I think about Cyndi Lauper but like everyone's like oh her singing was like tremendous on the record um which is which is a an interesting thing I will I'm with you every time I hear a Cyndi Lauper song I think why am I not listening to more Cyndi Lauper I was Becca and I were driving home from being in Seattle a while ago and we were playing this game where we would sing into on your phone on Google if you have like the Google app you can hum or sing into the phone like nonsense words and it will figure out what song you're doing so the game was sing up like hum or go da da da da a song and then the other person tries to guess it and then you listen to the song and somehow and then we played this other game and it was like you have to pick a letter and then it's the songs based on the letter somehow we ended up on true colors by cindy lopper and when i tell you that i was crying out of one of my eyes the eye that she couldn't see uh-huh by the way things are fine by the way good control i've developed it over years of being an emotional wreck it was like and i knew it right when the beginning of the song came i was like oh i'm so i'm so screwed i'm so screwed it's like oh it's like one o'clock on a Saturday. It's beautiful out. We're cruising down I-5 somewhere near Windlock, Washington, and

True Colors is on? Forget it!

I don't stand a chance. It always gets me, and this is something that I think I don't know, I feel like I think of it as a child-like kind, not childish, but kind of a child-like thing. Maybe it's only because I did it more when I was a younger person, but that sensation of like, shut up, shut up, this is the good part of the song, like that instinct to do that, and for me, it's the very end of time after time. If we're ever on like the like the newlywed game or something, something like that, which I don't know why we would be like, like, what is my favorite part of time after time? It's the very end where she whispers it like the music is sort of fading out and she's like.

Chills. Chills, Luke. So good. So what we're going to do here is I want to listen to her part. So we're going to get the – it looks like just based on what I'm saying here, we're going to get the very tail end of Michael Jackson going into Huey Lewis and then going into Cyndi Lauper.

And by the way, I don't know if this will totally deliver on what I said. My memory of it when you watch the doc is it's kind of – the background music is low-keyed because, you know, she has headphones on. Yeah. So it's even more pronounced. I don't know if what we're going to hear here will pay off, But it seems pretty good

Well again It stood out to me In a video that I haven't seen In probably over a decade It stood out Her performance Was always a standout to me So I think it's pretty good Although like you say It's not going to be The isolated track Of her vocals

That's Huey Lewis

Just kidding

Oh, that's Kim Karnes.

That's it. Oh, that's Kim Karnes. Okay, gotcha. But she's got so much energy. She's like literally bouncing. She's got so much energy.

But also, can you rewind that? Listen to the harmony they do. They're coming up with that on the fly. It was another thing Huey Lewis said. He was like, I have to do. It was like, on the fly, they're asking me to do harmony. And I don't really know. And I feel like I think it's like Paul Simon is talking. Somebody else there who has a real ear for harmony is like, why don't you try this, this, this, this? Because Huey Lewis is basically like, I don't know how to just like harmonize on the fly with this whole thing.

That's so cool. And like music is such a mystery to me. I think you've said similar things. And we always sound like such dorks when we talk about music because it's not really in our background. And I am always fascinated by the meeting of great minds. You know, I used to throw out the Algonquin Roundtable as an example of that or the expats during Hemingway's day or whatever. Like, I think I've always been sort of drawn to that. I don't know that I've given this video much credence, maybe because it's like the 80s and it was a time of growing up. It kind of seemed like a joke in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Or sort of a punchline or, you know, it just set the table for all kinds of like, I don't know, Saturday Night Live spoofs or what have you. Yeah. But like sort of now thinking about these moments that you're talking about and and in a field that I know nothing about to see, like such creative powers and something like, what do you mean you'd be nervous to sing? You're Huey Lewis like you just sing. Well, obviously, there's so much more to it than that. And to see the process and see how people can help other people through it is really astounding to me. So here I'm going to play this again, basically the same clip, a tiny bit of Michael Jackson into Huey Lewis and then Cyndi Lauper and then Carnes, you said, right? Yeah, Kim Karn. Okay, here we go. Good, right? Yeah, really good. Really good.

Yeah, I would, I would, I mean, obviously, I've been saying this for 40 minutes, but definitely worth checking out. And again, if only for the archival nature of the footage, if you know what I mean, Andrew, in other words, even if you don't, even if I already gave away all the good parts, just what people were wearing, what it looked like, sounded like to be in that moment of time. It's so well-documented. The cars that they're driving to go to the studio, it's just a big old nostalgia hit that I know that you would probably really enjoy.

Speaking of no Rick Ocasek, huh? No cars.

No. Not that I noticed in the video. Although, you know, something else that's weird. And then we definitely got to get to emails here. But, like, I couldn't seem to get a good actual clear list of who was involved in this thing. i was googling like we are the world complete cast and then it'd be like leaving out people that i had just watched in the documentary that i knew were were were there uh i'm sorry andrew did you mean um i like so because again i was struck by the fact that i i definitely saw latoya and i thought oh that's pretty funny that latoya jackson was able to get you know on the record or something but then not listed anywhere so i was like did i hallucinate that there was a there were a lot of people that i saw on that on those risers that were never listed as part of the cast not even just solos but just people involved so i can't seem to find a good so i don't think rico casick was there i think i would have noticed him but um but yeah i can't say for certain i know

you said we have Thank you.

go to voicemail so I'm going to introduce a whole new topic now but I can't I can't um wow I can't restrain myself for a really quick story that again I think this is more for you than the audience I've been doing that a lot lately we'll check the numbers see how that's working out for us but um so I'm trying to think the best way to tell this story without kind of giving it away and seeing if you have the same instinct that I do um I have a record by the cars called Heartbeat City I have it literally on vinyl and for the longest time I didn't really have a great record player but as you know I got one for my birthday Genevieve got it for me such a great gift not something that I thought I wanted but has really changed like my entertainment lately been listening to a lot of records doing record shopping and I pulled out Heartbeat City this Cars record that I've had for quite some time I think a 10 might have even given it to you and Carrie for me a long time ago anyway i think i was gifted this um but uh and i was not super familiar with it i was familiar with some other car stuff and i put the record down luke i laid the platter down

uh-huh is that how they say it just has such a warm sound on it just has such a exactly i love

the fact that i'm playing it on vinyl but i'm playing it through a bluetooth speaker so i'm assuming that even if i were able to but anyway i i i love my little record setup but having said that so i put down heartbeat city and i dropped the needle oh and i what's some bangers there are some bangers on here but listen to the very first notes of this and i had a little freak out this is a couple of months ago because this sound was so familiar to me and it's not something i associate with the cars okay if i stop it right there and i didn't tell you that's the cars who do you think that is do you know that song i do i know hello again uh i know drive i know uh you might think i you might think i know and drive i knew i think before the record but my point with that particular song which i don't think i'd ever heard before was that sounds like def leppard i immediately texted our friend camaro kev and i'm like i think mutt lang produced a cars record and it turns out that is unmistakably the production of one mutt lang who i only know from camaro kev but it has that distinct Def Leppard sound. And is that, that is true. It is Mutt Lang. And then I looked it up and it was Mutt Lang. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. To be a producer, not even like a, you know, not somebody who's known as a musician or a singer or whatever, but to have a production style that is so unbelievably recognizable, just like that. It was, I was blown away.

Andrew, I'd like you to step inside, walk this way.

Is that in the hello again?

No, that's the Def Leppard Step inside Walk this at the beginning Which is very, very, very similar In terms of the vibe I'm kind of surprised I don't mind that But that's not my favorite part of that song Or even what I think of as an overly Cars-ish thing I'm kind of surprised that Rick Ocasek went with that Because it isn't It feels to me like Almost like a band that we like now That had a certain kind of sound was like well everyone's doing a certain kind of production touch and now we're going to put that production touch on our song so that we sound more like you know glorilla or something and it's like well is that your vibe or not it's but it is also funny that you immediately knew that was Mutt Lang I didn't remember his name but I knew that was whoever did that Def Leppard thing yes

and at the time I don't even know if I had Mutt Lang dialed up in my brain either but I was like this is the Def Leppard guy that Kevin talks about all the time of course with a name like Mutt Lang How can you forget it?

You mean Robert John Lang, born in what they at the time called Northern Rhodesia? I believe we've changed that name at some point.

Well, he changed it to Robert John. He was born Mutt.

All right, Andrew. I think that due to time constraints and also the fact that how many hours of TBTL have we?

We've been clocking some. But, I mean, the past couple of weeks, we have been like. What's going on? But it doesn't feel laborious to me. I think we're just getting. Are we in some kind of a sweet spot? Do we like each other? Do we just like talking to each other? Are we in some kind of sweet spot? What's going on here? But we shouldn't wrap up.

Yeah, we've been turning in some epic shows, and they're epically running into my other professional obligations. So, oh, we never even mentioned. I'll mention it now, but I'm going to remind everyone tomorrow. Friday. Don't say what it is.

Don't say what it is. Let's make the announcement tomorrow. keep dragging Friday something is arriving in your podcatcher that was a special episode that I think you're gonna like okay we'll tell you about it tomorrow okay

Thanks. Thanks for listening, everybody. We're going to be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. I'll be down there in Los Angeles, California. I hope you can join us for that. In the meantime, have a great Tuesday. Take care of yourselves. Go little sluggers. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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