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Hey grandma, can you come get me from the rap battle? No, I didn't win. No, he saw you drop me off. It was pretty much over after that. He did a pretty devastating rhyme about it. TBTL!

I think the thing that we want to do now, the thing ideally that we would end this meeting with Is just get everyone looped in, circle the wagons, to the point where we can sort of set a road map for a dialogue going forward. Isn't that for techno geeks with spreadsheets?

I'm such a sucker for content. Do you just sit around all day thinking of nice things to say to people? Well, it's not necessarily during the day, but I do like to be nice to people. Life's a potty, wipe your body.

Well, all right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBT, all the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's an audiophiles nightmare. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. So explain that. Coming to you once again from the sort of, kind of, Napa Valley-ish area. Sweet berry wine! Here in Fairfield, California. uh mere steps from uh what is it travis air force base uh where it's a uh it's a beautiful but windy day you know they've got so many of those kind of uh wind turbines those those uh you know big windmills that generate electricity now and a couple of things on that one i was coming in here and looking around thinking boy they got a lot of those and then every time i've been outside particularly out in the sort of rural part of this area and I've been almost blown over I thought, oh that's why they put them here they did some research and it's also, I finally there are so many of them and maybe I've just become so blasé about it that I'm sort of like I don't know if I would be dazzled by these if they were in my neighborhood in other words, for many years when I would see them off in the distance driving around, you know the mojave valley or other kind of rural parts of america i would think those are just gorgeous machines um and now i've seen so many of those gorgeous machines around here that i'm like i mean we've obviously got to find some some clean energy but i i i'm just saying the bloom is off the rose keep building them keep doing it keep getting clean energy going but um as far as i I'm concerned, I've seen a lot of them. We've heard a lot of episodes of TBTL. We've heard exactly 4,200 of them, meaning today is episode 4,201 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Somebody emailed us about our 5,000th episode. Somebody was just putting it on our calendars of when the 5,000th episode will be. So I guess you get to 4,201 and you start, I mean, we're only 799 episodes away, so it's really time to start planning. This, of course, is the number one show that people turn to for coverage of the TBTL Little Sluggers. Little League Baseball team of the Portland Parkside League, and we've got an update about how the Junior Sluggers have been doing.

It's faster. It's electric. It's a new era.

That's right. We've been hearing from Manager Ben about how it's been going, and we will report to you coming up. Then speaking of kids, there was a three-year-old kid who was telling their parents that they were hearing monsters in their bedroom and the parents thought, I don't know, this is what three-year-old kids say, but then...

I am petrified, petrified with this story.

The kid was not lying. We'll talk about that too. And speaking of the Children of America, they have spoken and they have said this about this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

You are handsome. Don't worry.

He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. As you were talking about how nice the weather is, I think you were talking about how nice the weather is, right? I wasn't just thinking about how nice you were talking about the wind. I think you mentioned the word weather. You might have been saying weather or not. I'm not sure. And then my brain just started sort of floating.

Lauren Hill from Fugees.

So then I started thinking about the weather, and I started thinking about myself. And then I started thinking, you know, it is nice outside. So let me just make sure I got this.

I may or may not have said a word, which was the opening you needed to drift into self-referential thought as the intro was happening.

You're close. You said a word that began with W, and my last name begins with W. And so I started. I think like Walsh, and I was like, what's Walsh going to do today? And then Walsh looked out the window and saw that it's a pretty nice day. It's shaping up to be pretty nice. And I thought, is today the day I go to the dump? This has nothing to do, by the way, with my ongoing.

I need to let you know something, Andrew. War more with the city. This is going to come as a shock to you. If you're hoping to cultivate the nickname Big Dumper, it's already taken.

No. Really?

Yes. True story. Yes.

Could I be a medium dumper or a bigger dumper?

Well, tell me how it goes at the waste management station today, and we'll consider it. But I just want you to know Calvin Raleigh III of the Seattle Mariners is the big dumper and is especially so because of his grand salami yesterday. But you can be the medium dumper.

I'll be the medium dumper as I head off to the dump and deliver my own grand slam of dumpage. Oh, God. I didn't know what was going to... Okay, I'm going to stop dumping.

I'll try not to use words starting with W going forward.

I'm going to stop dumping words out of my mouth. But I just have a pile of junk in the garage that has been bothering me for some time. And in my head, I keep thinking, I think I told you this on the show a while back. I was going to take a whole day and just really get everything organized, pull everything out of the garage, and just do it right. Now I'm just sort of like, you know what? Let's get the obvious.

Let's do it wrong.

Let's do it wrong and call it right and call me the small to moderate and the moderate to severe dumper. The moderate to severe dumper is me.

If you are having moderate to severe dumping, ask your doctor if Tren Velix is right for you.

I think there's part of me that looks at, and this is going to make me sound very parsimonious, parsimonious and it's like it's not even really about the money but when you when you're like okay i go to the dump it's going to cost me like 33 bucks and i can dump anything up until like up to 325 pounds or something you're you have this sort of built-in incentive to try to pack as much as you possibly can into that dump run right so i think part of me has been like well don't go to the dump prematurely i don't want to be the premature dumper luke it's it's it's like the

tetris problem it's like the most fun time to start uh to have those long guys come on on tetris when you've got a lot of stuff you want it to be completely packed you want the vehicle to have like all of the of the you know the the waste that it can hold so that you're getting your money's worth but also just feel like you're being efficient yeah i like i just push one

like poster tube in and then my whole car just disappears um but actually i do have a well that Yeah, that's right. I do have one long pole. Like somebody left in the garage when we bought this place, like a long metal, I guess it was a fence post for like, you know, I guess you call it a chain link fence or something. I'm hoping that'll fit in my car and that when I slide it in last, the whole car doesn't disappear. But anyway, my point is, why let the perfect be the enemy of the good, even if I have to go back to the dump in the next couple of weeks or something because I discover more stuff? So be it. I think it'll do my brain some good if I just take advantage of this weather. maybe i i know you've already done this i don't want to like totally bite your i don't want to be a drake here but like i might record a hey dummies video on the way to the dump i mean that's real i mean i know you've already done that you got famous i don't actually have i oh you know

what i did i did a really popular one where i surreptitiously that i don't know how much we talked about it on the show like on air but i think i may have mentioned to you off air that like it was mortifying to put my iphone on a tripod at the dump no i don't think we ever

talked about it you did it hey dummies video that newsletter um viewers might remember from i don't know it might even been last summer and it was really good you were talking the the question was about like i think the the members of your family or your siblings or something and you were you were like getting in the truck it was mary dump kill burbank family edition and i had to

decide who i marry who i throw away at the dump and who i kill it was it was dark don't know the Hey, Dummies has gotten very dark over the years.

Yeah, marry, dump, kill, show title. Okay. But anyway, yeah, that was very popular because you did a lot of, like, recording of yourself, like, loading up your truck, and then you replayed it in high speed. There's a lot of production went into that Hey, Dummies video. And now that I talk about it, I'm self-conscious. I don't. Why would I want to compete with that?

No, no, no. Don't. Andrew, you just said it. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We can all agree my video was perfect. Yeah. but your video will be good or at least passable or moderate to severe moderate to severe hey dummies um uh i i i have the same battle in my mind about making trips to the dump for this reason because i have had so much cardboard coming into my life because of acquiring a lot of stuff for the you know parts of my little house that have been remodeled up there at the madrone hill studio and so much stuff is now delivered and it comes in a box and then you put it together i mean that is really the economy of and you know you and genevieve are really good about this stuff particularly genevieve gets a lot of stuff you know that's been previously owned and then will either like kind of spruce it up herself or whatever like that's a pretty good small carbon footprint way to be i wish i was more like that i'm not right now i aspire to be But it means I get a lot of cardboard And the thing is, there's a recycling place Where I can throw the cardboard, that's great The problem is, it's always Encased, entombed, if you will In so much foam So much white foam, which does not go In the recycling bin

Are you talking like the big, almost like sheets Of styrofoam And big chunks of styrofoam

And a lot of it molded Sort of to hold Or caress, if you will, the product On its journey to my house to make sure it doesn't get destroyed or whatever. And so, like, the cardboard is a very easy solution. I break it down. I take it to the – throw it in the thing. I find that to be very satisfying, by the way. Fill my little Mazda up with that and take it down. But I'm always –

Can I get some more details here? Because you're kind of – Yeah. I'll go slow. Please, slow. It's sort of like a little bit more of a hush as you speak. But do you get yourself, like, a real box cutter and just, like, really cut this stuff down? Or are you just sort of folding it the best you can and jamming it in there?

It really depends on the box and the structural integrity of the box itself. So some of them you can get away with just busting a seam on it and you kind of flatten it out. Some of them you do have to break out the husky utility knife, which I do have, which makes me feel pretty much the most machismo I feel in my life is when I've got that utility knife, the kind that's got a locking blade on it, you know? i don't mean the kind that you that it it retracts oh i'm looking at the body of the thing yeah sure you know the kind that's like it's a knife blade and it's got a handle but then you can press this little kind of metal thing that you can close the knife blade so it's locked when it's open and then it's closed let's close the things that close and i will slip that utility knife into the little like there's a pocket for stuff like that on my work pants and then i will head down and out so So to answer your question, I do it all the different ways. Sometimes I've cut the box down with the utility knife. Sometimes it's easy to just step on the bottom of it and kind of flatten it out. But the problem is I'm – as this has all happened, I'm also accumulating tons and tons of this styrofoam. And so then I have to take that to the dump. But then it's like something about paying – it's $7.80 where I go. That's the minimum.

For the styrofoam recycling specifically or just anything?

I don't think there is any styrofoam recycling. Is there?

There is it mine. Yeah, that's where I got a little bit hollered at because I was putting my styrofoam in the wrong recycling bin.

I didn't even know that was a recyclable product. I don't know if they do that out in the rurals where I am.

Yeah, I'm not sure. I learned it at the transfer station, too. We're all on the same journey here. But I was very pleased to see that it's like it's the cleanest of the sort of it's not even really a dumpster. It's more like a big.

No, you can jump in it like a ball pit.

Yeah. Well, actually, they have giant garbage bags in there. I mean, giant garbage bags that you and I and John could all fit in together. But they're in this sort of like, like I say, it's kind of like a dumpster.

It's a thought for the TBTL-a-thon.

Just please cut air holes. Three of us in a garbage bag for one week. Please cut air holes this time. But anyway, yeah, so it's very satisfying because it's the cleanest and least smelly of the dump areas.

I will be totally honest with you. And I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't know this already. i assume that that was it just seems so synthetic to me that i didn't think it was recyclable and where i take the like cardboard and cans and stuff that doesn't have anything that says oh here's

where you can throw the styrofoam so i just assume you might not have it i mean i was very shocked to

know that you could recycle this stuff but so i haven't what i what i will do is i will i'll drive up with like the entire you know back area of my mazda filled with styrofoam and i feel like it's so light the car might just float away it's like i put helium in the back of the vehicle and then i go in there yeah and then i toss it all in onto the conveyor belt they have at my own and then i leave and i'm just like did we have to even charge me for that did that even happen did i just i just opened the back of my car and some air whiffed out and now i owe you seven dollars and 80 cents the other thing i could do is every week i could break some of this styrofoam up and put it in my garbage i guess although now i know it's potentially recyclable and if it is i'll start recycling it But I don't want to just like have all this styrofoam around and slowly like Andy Dufresne dropping sand around the yard in the Shawshank Redemption as he's digging his way through the prison walls. I don't want to slowly be integrating because the other thing with the styrofoam is it's incredibly. bulky and totally unwieldy like most of it is like for like i got a new garbage can for my kitchen and so you've got this one of those kind of garbage cans it's you know you step on there's a little pedal and it opens it's got two sides one side for recycling one side for garbage and now the thing is that whole thing has to be encased in styrofoam so the styrofoam shell around that thing is kind of enormous actually and like it takes up like that would be half of my entire garbage can so i've been making these runs of taking styrofoam down to the dump but i don't feel like i'm getting my money's worth and now that i'm learning it might be recyclable that

could be a whole other ball game yeah see i mean like you know who knows what their situation is at your particular transfer station i am looking at the faq here very few q's in this faq but

basically it says you can mostly more of an f and an a than a q i have more a c than a q I'm going to more frequently ask when I'm going to question here.

But all it says here is you can recycle the big blocks of styrofoam at my transfer station, but it says, please, no packing peanuts. So I don't know if that's like a... Huh. Interesting.

You'd think that's all made out of the same...

Well, you know what I'm guessing?

You'd think it's all made out of the same stuff.

Totally shooting from the hip here, Luke, but I'm wondering if it's just too hard to manage. Yes. You know, it just gets all over the place. They call the Ghostbusters and they're in control. Exactly.

No, can you imagine an entire, like, you know, dumpster, like a huge dumpster of packing peanuts and just purely the static electric implications of that?

Yeah, right. Yes.

They're floating away. They're sticking to your hair. You look like you're at the science center putting your hands on that lightning globe thingy. Like, yeah, it's probably more that, you're right, than whether or not they can actually be turned back into more styrofoam. more styrofoam. Speaking of garbage and waste and things like litter, I got to tell you a quick story from this morning. I was out on my little run here in Fairfield, California, and I was out by this part of the road where there are some vineyards, which are pretty. I've been talking about this a lot the last couple of days. When you see Napa on the map, you think of one kind of thing you think of sideways or although that's technically not even napa but you think of a certain kind of very sort of beautiful countryside with wineries and vineyards and things and that's like very much not where i am um but i'm sort of on the very ex-urban edge of san francisco i'm on the i'm in the place where if you've kind of struck out buying homes anywhere in what we think of as san francisco or the bay area you might just suck it up and buy a home here and then become what they call a super commuter um which is actually part of what the story is that i'm doing out here because there's these people that want to build this community and the people who live on the land where they want to build the community are like maybe could you not do that but all that is to say i'm out this morning and it's you know it's pretty early it's like i don't know it's 7 30 or something and i am coming down this like little hill kind of where there's these vineyards and i see a guy who I presume is probably experiencing homelessness because kind of how he's dressed you know he's got sort of larger clothes on that look fairly tattered and he's got kind of a pretty typical signifier of somebody who's in that in that life right now which is he's got these big bags right just kind of like a couple of bags or something or not even duffel bags more like a like one might be a garbage bag and then one is like some scavenged like i don't know just i don't know what it's original imagine like an ikea one of those blue

ikea bags you get something like that yeah yeah yeah i see yeah now i can picture it yeah like

i'm trying to think what those would be called but just like so he's just got these bags with him which is usually indicates that somebody doesn't have a place to keep their stuff and he's kind of you know i see him way in the distance and i'll be totally honest with you you know and i think that our listeners who live in cities and places where there are people experiencing homelessness can relate to this you kind of start doing a bit of a calculation just in the sense of what is this interaction going to look like is this going to be a non-interaction is this going to be um a good morning interaction is this going to be uh something you know more involved than that like just you just start to do a little bit of a kind of mental calculation of of like okay well we'll see what this looks like when i get there and i uh i get down sort of closer to the guy and uh he's kind of out we've got these bags he's kind of he had actually been over off of the sidewalk doing something in the bushes and then he'd sort of gotten up and gotten his bags and he's like kind of walking towards me and i pass him and i just say morning and he says morning and i just keep going and i know though that i'm gonna go for like another maybe mile and then turn around. come back so i'm probably going to pass this guy again and um one of the things i thought was the way that i waved to him good morning felt dismissive to me which i didn't feel good about it was just i lifted my left hand like hey like a wave but it was also kind of like a talk to the hand and i was like i don't think this guy thinks i was saying talk to the hand but i wish i would have done somehow done a wave that was more welcoming and less like talk to the hand but

Did you say talk to the hand or did you say good morning? I wish I wouldn't have, but yes. I actually think the words hurt more than the gesture. I buried the lead here, Andrew, yes.

That's a new thing I'm trying. I just say talk to the hand to everyone, by the way, whether or not they're experiencing homelessness.

I like to give them the Mutombo finger and say don't go there as I pass strangers on the street.

You know the Mutombo finger is very triggering to me because he did that after the Denver Nuggets beat the Seattle Sonics in the first round of the playoffs When the Sonics were manifestly better than the Denver Nuggets But Robert Pack and Dikembe Mutombo had other ideas

Oh, I had no idea Okay, no more Mutombo jokes

So please, I just would ask you, with peace and love To be very careful about how you So, anyway, I turn around I hit my little distance for halfway out I turn around, I come back And I'm getting closer to the guy And I realize what the guy is doing And I knew that I was going to get emotional talking about this He's picking up garbage oh he's like cleaning up the area he's cleaning up yeah the bags are full of like smash starbucks cups and just like the the styrofoam probably from some garbage can somebody ordered he's just out there picking up garbage voluntarily to make this a nicer little piece of roadway and by the way i still believe that he's probably you know somebody who's experiencing homelessness My conception of that didn't change But my conception of what he was all about Out there changed And it was just like amazing Like Like Like I'm out there running So that I think I can maybe look like More cute on television And he's out there Just like picking up garbage And I had this whole kind of like idea about him approaching him which you know obviously changed pretty pretty drastically on the way back and um the real reason i'm crying andrew is because today's

my birthday and you didn't ask about it oh shit it is your birthday but i was having this thought

i was having this thought like you know i'm 48 years old i'm out here doing this jog just the privilege that i have to get to be alive to get to be this age to have a body that like lets me move around in the world in this way to have this kind of interesting job of talking to you and this interesting job of going on these cbs things and just how privileged my life is and there's this guy who is just out there in the world probably not experiencing that kind of privilege i am also having to be african-american throw that in the mix in terms of just the hierarchy i would just i was overwhelmed with gratitude i guess is the thing i was overwhelmed with gratitude about getting to be alive on this planet getting to be alive in the version of life that I get to be alive in and that there are people like this guy in the world you know your

story there reminds me of something that happened to me recently which has a very very different takeaway and I don't think this is just like it's like oh I interact with poor people too I'm not trying to just like have that conversation but I had a I had an interaction with somebody that actually left me kind of feeling really bummed the other day which is obviously you know that on Sundays I volunteer with that group we hand out food and we have a lot of regular customers and there's this one guy who I'm gonna say is in his he's like I'm gonna guess in his 50s maybe you know and he's a kind of a shorter guy he's always a little bit grumpy but like he he almost looks like a character in a book sort of he's you know usually pretty well dressed has a little he wears like kind of a golf cap sort of what do you call those caps that kind of clip in the middle um you always call them like um sometimes jeff cap yeah exactly i always ask people will use a newsboy maybe yeah so i don't really think too much about this guy other than like his coffee order i like to be the one who hands our coffee and hot chocolate off and so like uh i know that he comes up he uh he likes his coffee black with just sugar usually i just give him the we don't have sugar packs we just have like kind of a sugar thing so i give him the jar of sugar so he can add himself and like he's just always you know he's fine a little bit grumpy not super talkative but like pretty pretty standard guy i never really kind of thought too much about him these and i are on the bus um and he's i've probably seen him almost every weekend for a over a year at this point um and then viz and i are taking the bus not the e-line this time we're taking the 40 i don't only that matters but it does and

He comes on the bus and I always kind of get a little bit excited seems like the wrong word, but I get a little like, oh, I know that person sort of like when I see somebody that I know from pop up and I'm not going to call them out like, hey, I'm the person who gives you free food. You know what I mean? Like that's that's rude. But when I especially because I live a little bit far away now, not a little, you know, I live like maybe three or four miles away from where I volunteer. It's not like all this tiny little micro neighborhood. I'm always like, oh, that's the person from from from pop up or whatever. It just makes I like sometimes when the city feels a little bit small and I and I and I see folks around.

I see my like this is your community. Yeah, exactly. And so you're just living with them. They're not being totally othered in some way. It's like we're all here and we're all trying to get through this.

Yeah. And also and just with people in general, I think I just sort of I'm just sort of am that person. Like if I see somebody they recognize from somewhere, it's really hard for me not to like even if I just see somebody that I recognize as a I'll just use this as an example, although it's not for real life. But like if I if I knew of like the guy at the Safeway who always checks my ID at the self checkout on Sundays when I'm buying beer or whatever, like I've seen that guy every every week of my life for the past several years, too. So if I saw him on the bus, I'd also probably want to give a little like a howdy do, you know, like just kind of connecting the dots because that is that is me. That is the Midwestern me.

anyway you're often described as very much like the character Belle at the beginning of the Beauty and the Beast cartoon where you're just kind of going around this small yet beautiful winsome singing a lot there goes the baker with the something something you just like you just go around the town singing about everyone in the town who you know and what their rituals are

I do remember that now I might have seen that movie in the theater Maybe with my dad or something But I was like 13 or 14 at the time All that is to say This fella comes on the bus And I sort of I nod at him As he's walking by Me and Genevieve Genevieve and I are seated He walks by in the aisle I kind of give him a Kind of a little howdy-do You know And he walks He acknowledges me Knots his head And keeps walking And then Veeves and I Continue our conversation And then I'm going to say Two or three minutes later I can feel a presence Sort of behind us And this guy has gotten In the seat behind us and I'm and he like kind of taps me on the shoulder or something I'm like oh hey how you doing man he's like um and then he immediately starts talking very very quickly and in pretty hushed tone so I can't tell exactly what he's he's saying I can't catch everything he's saying but he's just goes and starts giving me this whole backstory of how he's essentially he suffers from major paranoia he's talking about how neo-nazis are coming after him and he wants to know is that why i'm on the bus am i one of the people who's following him oh wow him i'm not in the words of michael barbaro oh wow yeah and this is a guy who i have seen like i said for almost every sunday for more than a year now i don't even know how long and like again i don't know his name but it's like you have these little micro relationships when you see somebody every week even if it only lasts for 45 seconds and you give him a coffee or whatever and i was this isn't the first time something like this has happened with somebody that we serve there too people who seem to be kind of navigating the life no I don't want to use words like normal or what have you but seem to be navigating life not that much different than you or I or seem to have the same sort of kind of cognitive situation of you and I and then suddenly you just realize oh my god like every single time you've come up to me and gotten coffee for me and have been like a little reserved and a little grumpy you've also been wondering if everybody there is out to get you like constantly and I just like god damn like it was just such a it was such a shock and again and we were kind of like judging people how they how they appear as well but this guy in fact he even acknowledged it in sort of his ramblings to me and genevieve and he wouldn't be quiet like that was the other thing too he wasn't being super loud or causing uh any kind of a scene on the bus but once he had our attention like he was just like kind of just talking a mile a minute and again i can't even begin to reconstruct whatever this paranoid fantasy is but basically you become a little

bit concerned that this coincidence of you being on this bus was actually like gonna really feed into this idea that this guy had that that that you know because he's now seen you in two places

he specifically said that like he kind of he he specifically said or asked me that like something like no is that why you're on this bus is this just a coincidence and vives are like yes of

course it's a coincidence and then you're like i've got this podcast where and i talk about the e-line incessantly may i offer you a link because you'll realize that i love the buses more than

anybody else in the city of seattle okay now i feel like you are being disrespectful because i clearly stated that this was the 40 no it's mostly the e-line you talk about i'm just joking

uh but anyway how long were you how long how long was like the rest of the ride

veves and i had a few more stops i'm gonna say this interaction maybe lasted five minutes or something and it was a little uncomfortable But it also, like I say, we just kind of knew that we would just sit there, you know, we kind of quietly disengaged conversationally a little bit more and more and just sort of let him do his thing until he kind of like he kind of, I think, quieted down. And Vives and I, I think, got off the butt. You know, it wasn't like a huge like the moment itself. I've had more upsetting moments on the E line. Somebody flipped my hat the other day. He called me a B. This woman was just going crazy. Whoa. And then was screaming at everybody on the bus. Which hat was it? I can't remember. It was a ball cap. Oh, I think Vives and I were on our way to a baseball game, so it was like a ball cap. Oh, this wasn't at pop-up? No, I'm sorry. This was an E-line story. I'm a little all over the place. I'm just saying that I've been seeing something.

Somebody knocked your hat off on the E-line?

Well, it kind of flipped it a little bit. She didn't actually knock it off. This was a whole other story. I've been, I told you a while back, I alluded to this, and I told you I'd tell you the story someday. I still don't know if today is the day that, like, some guy, like, was sitting in front. Well, here, let me wrap up this story, Then I'll just tell you that E-line story, too. Not that I want to make people scared to take the E-line. But, yeah, we've had some encounters. But in this particular case, it wasn't a scary encounter. I guess if I can just kind of wrap up my thoughts on it, it's just kind of like, man, I've seen this guy every day. And I know it's like cliche to say we don't know somebody's journey. But when you see it in such an extreme way that, oh, and I was going to say, like, he even sort of acknowledged when he was sort of rambling to Veves. He's like, you see me? I don't look like the other people there. Doesn't it ever make you wonder? And he starts going into how much money he once had until they took it all away because of the conspiracy. And now he's running. And, again, I don't understand the world that he thinks he lives in or whatever. The framework is exactly the word I'm looking for. So all I know is – and then for what it's – oh, and then he did say, well, I'm going to bring all the paperwork on Sunday. Are you going to be there Sunday? I'm going to bring all the paperwork, and I'm going to show you all this stuff. And I was kind of like, it did live in my head a little bit. What's it going to be like when I see him on Sunday? And I'll tell you what, I didn't see him the next Sunday. It's only been one week now. And so that bothers me, too. Like the fact that Vives and I potentially coincidentally got on this 40 line as it happened to be passing and it happened to have this guy on it. And now if he doesn't come back for his coffee and food on Sundays because he thinks I'm part of like this conspiracy, that would be kind of a bother. I mean, I can't blame us. We're just taking the bus.

That would be an unfortunate. I think we can all agree. You've got to get those tires fixed, dude. we gotta get you back under your back under private conveyance oh we did get off the bus

i will tell you this other story because i've teased it twice and like there was one night these and i were going to some show this winter um and again it's just amazing how the e-line just goes everywhere we want to go like it's just it really does cut through so it doesn't go very far west but it seems like everything we want to do like you open up google maps it's like yeah you take the e-line and then the bus driver will carry you the last half mile there um anyway we're going down to a show at the, I don't know, Paramount or something. And, um, it was probably like a Thursday night or something. And Viva and I were even joking. We're kind of sitting near the back of the bus. So we have like kind of a whole view of the front of the bus. By the way, this, this incident sort of changed that behavior. We now sit near the bus driver. Um, we are sitting in the, near the back of the bus and the what's going on in the bus. Not that you want to be flippant about people, um, you know, who are suffering for various stages of maybe mental illness or extreme poverty or whatever it is it really did seem like the type of thing you would see in an 80s movie if you were on like the New York City subway you had one guy who was like in really really good spirits and drinking wine from a bottle that I think might have also been in a bag and also had a whole tray of Krispy Kreme donuts that he was offering to everybody on the bus like sort of trading places vibes sort of with this guy and then there was like some kind a petite woman behind him who was on her own journey then there was a guy sitting uh right uh in front of Genevieve and I like literally in the seat in front of us who clearly was on some sort of drugs or I would say clearly I guess you can't maybe he he had chemicals going through his brain I don't know what those chemicals were but he seemed sort of more blissed out right and he's sitting right in front of Genevieve and I I'm sitting in on the aisle seat uh in case I need to use the restroom Genevieve has the window seat um but this guy is sort of like blissed out in front of us as so he's you can see the back of his head and he sort of like looks like he's like kind of maybe bobbing to some music in his head or whatever as he looks out the window and it honestly was one of those things where it's kind of like oh what what a motley crew this e-line is you know but everybody seemed to be in generally kind of good spirits especially the guy who was handing out donuts or attempting to until suddenly out of the blue this fella who seemed blissed out in front of Genevieve and I just stands up like just just from from like totally not paying attention to us or being in his own head to just standing up immediately and turning around and screaming at me stop trying to kill me you're trying to choke me look at the big ass hands he like many many times kept on calling out my big ass hands which a lot of people mentioned my hands are big

And so there's always a little bit of pride there.

Honestly, that's a compliment in some cultures. Right. You just got to keep it.

Sex culture. It was one of those moments. His, oh, that's the culture. Gotcha. Sex culture. My sex culture is not a joke, Andrew. My doctor sent my sex culture to the lab trying to figure out what is sex. They're still studying it. They're still studying it. Anyway, you just talk about not knowing what's going on in somebody's head. or my hands I guess in that case and like he's like get off the bus he's like screaming like get off the bus and I'm just like please sir like we're not trying to hurt you or whatever but he's now standing and blocking my way so like I can't kind of get out of the aisle without sort of pushing past him and I certainly not I mean I would trust Genevieve better in any kind of confrontation than me but I also don't want to get out and sort of like turn my back to Genevieve like I don't know like and again like this person didn't I don't think he ever touched me but for a long period of time stood over us screaming that i was trying to kill him with my big ass hands and that i had to get off the bus and i'm like dude please we don't he's like and then at one point even yelled like i'm more scared of you than you are of me i'm just like please like just leave us alone you're like uh i'd like to test that yeah first of all do you have any idea of my fear levels in life do a quick cortisol comparison exactly we can send it in oh man i'm not trying to make light of it no and i'm not trying to make light of other people who are struggling too but like Right. It is just like you just don't know like it. And you were sort of talking about and maybe maybe this comes back around to your story or not. I don't know. But like in a certain way, like I truly believe that when you see somebody who you're passing them on the sidewalk or you see them on the E-line and it looks like they might be poor or they might be struggling with something. There's no reason to treat them inhumanely or any different. And the idea of equating crime with poverty is obviously something that kind of disgusts me. And I see a lot of people engaging in that. And so, of course, you don't want to, like, sort of see poor people or people who are maybe from a different lifestyle than yours and then, like, give them a whole give them a wide berth, you know, like that type of behavior. I hate it. Having said that, Vives and I sit closer to the bus driver now, you know, just like I'm glad we were sitting by the bus driver when that woman flipped my hat. up and call me a little bee the other day I was screaming at everybody so like I uh I don't know I don't know what my takeaway from this story is other than you truly don't know what anybody's journey is I guess you never know what's in and I maybe both did the guy who was who was yelling

at you did he eventually leave the bus or did you and Vives eventually leave the bus he finally

backed away from us I never got up I never stood up I did not want to escalate I I you know I just didn't want to escalate in any way i'd said as little as possible i was very you know i i am not good with any kind of confrontation whether it seems to be based in um you know reality or not that's a weird way of putting it but you know what i mean whether i can wrap my head around

what's going on or not right because your hands are big ass so that's that is reality that's right but you were not gonna hurt this guy with him so that was his own yeah his own situation and like

that's the thing about this like this guy didn't this guy truly was scared he was scared of him

he didn't need to be i wasn't doing anything yeah he he would thought with him this was life and death yeah and he was doing this extreme measure to try to save his own life from something that was obviously not real and so it's that's just so hard to unpack because it's so scary for you and genevieve and i'm wondering did the bus driver appear to have any sense that this was going on

I would find it hard to believe that the bus driver didn't know this was going on, but the bus driver in this case did not do anything. We were kind of near the back of the bus. It's one of those long buses with the kind of accordion bendy middle. Yeah, exactly.

It's something we struggle with on this show.

It was the silly straw of buses. I think that is articulate enough. But so we're kind of far in the back. There's a I mean, clearly there's a man standing up shouting at somebody else. But on the other hand, like the bus driver going to pull over and march all the way back. I think bus drivers kind of monitor these things. I'm sure I've said this to you before because I've said it to a lot of people. Like, I think being a city bus driver has got to be one of the hardest jobs in the world. Like, just start stripping away.

But it does pay a lot.

Yeah, I'm sure. Just start stripping away all the responsibilities. Just say that, like, OK, Andrew, you have to be a bus driver for one day, but we're going to make it easy on you. We're going to say nobody is on the bus. It's an empty bus. And we're going to take all of the traffic off the streets of Seattle. But you still have to drive this articulated bus around Seattle. I'd still be like, that's a bad day. I'm not ready for that.

How about another approach, Andrew?

Yeah.

You have to drive the bus. There is traffic everywhere. And also, there are 20 to 30 people in various places in their life at all times who you have to also try to figure out the best way to.

deal with exactly that's what i'm saying you just start but what if i gave you 44 000 to do it per

year yeah i mean again like yeah and then and you start layering in all the different factors let's say you you put people on the bus but they're all really well behaved and there's still no traffic still tough now let's add traffic now let's say that you also have to be like sort of the you have to be the authority on this bus and you have to like you know get involved in de-escalating conflicts which there are a lot of depending on your route so um well that's another thing we

possible to think about i'm really sorry that that that happened to you and veves that sounds that sounds really scary i i have been in a couple situations like that and over the years and it's a really really bad feeling because you feel like you have no good options you know and that's uh that's a very very bad feeling to just go what is the is it to sit here and be quiet and hope that this person kind of runs out of steam or is it to be to make myself big and try to you know kind of cause them to retreat because they see me as you know more dominant I mean this is like no good way to handle a situation like that I mean it sounds like you did the best that you could have which is it did not turn physical oh yeah that's still emotionally pretty scarring like I'm sure the rest I'm sure for a good amount of time in the rest of the night you were not just like vibing to the music of pink martini or whoever you were seeing at the paramount you probably had a lot of just like stress in your body after that yeah i mean i think by the time

honestly like i think by the time the show started i met our friends there no you know what i remember why was i not drinking i took the bus i don't know uh but i remember i was eating these are the eternal questions i wasn't i remember specifically i wasn't drinking at the show but for some reason i was drinking water and eating a lot of skittles for some oh that is a

that is a stress response for from some people i know why this is gonna put me on my high horse

but the only beer they had was fremont brewing and i do not uh i don't support fremont brewing because of the the ownership so that's why i wasn't drinking um so anyway uh anyway i just was sort of trying to piece that together i'm like yeah wait i was awake and i wasn't driving i wasn't doing tbtl i wasn't i wasn't throwing darts i wasn't drinking i wasn't trying to escape this reality um i will say you asked me how this kind of de-escalated eventually or how it ended it sort of petered out he eventually stopped standing over us maybe that whole encounter felt like a lifetime but maybe it lasted two or three minutes as he's like yelling at us saying to get off the bus but I don't want to get up because I don't want to I'd have to like almost physically kind of brush past him in a way that would be uncomfortable he eventually just disengages from our situation it goes up he goes up to stand by the bus driver and then sort of like never takes his eyes off of us and then our bus stop was like literally two two stops later and we just kind of got off the back doors but yeah it really was i i was pretty shaken uh or shooken uh when when i

got off the bus well i'm really sorry that that you went through that that's and and vives as well that's uncomfortable i mean there's a larger discussion about you know i have to say i admire how committed you are to public transportation because you know those a couple of those events could really put somebody off of the idea of of taking the bus particularly somebody who had other options and of course i think that the fox news is of the world overstate the amount of of kind of unrest there is let's say on the new york city subway or city buses i mean they seem to have some real kind of like profit motive or whatever some reason to want to like make it sound like life in a city is urban warfare at all times which it really isn't but on the other hand those are

some pretty intense experiences that you're describing you know yeah i think maybe you know Maybe I keep my head slightly on more of a swivel But I don't think Or like I say Maybe sit a little bit closer up front or whatever But it hasn't really changed my behavior Because I mean parking in this city Are you kidding me?

I know Honestly that's the takeaway The takeaway is You're more afraid of parking In Seattle than you are Of a person screaming at you about your big ass hand

I just really don't like driving I really I mean honestly I did not like that experience And it's kind of funny And now I start to feel sheepish Not enough that I But when you say sorry we had to go through that i mean the truth of the matter is too like and i think that maybe even more so the point of the story is what's that guy going through today like he even though like even though we didn't do anything in his head i do believe that he was absolutely terrified in that moment and he might be terrified right now somewhere you know he probably is i mean that's

probably the what's going on mentally for him right where i get to you know come but just so you know andrew i do a podcast with him on tuesdays and so i will ask i will tell him i'm sorry he had to go through the experience of sitting in front of you

and Genevieve. Should we do a crossover episode? Maybe there's some opportunities there.

Let's see if the Text Me Back folks are still available and then after that we'll do a crossover with my two other podcasts. Okay. You know what we got to do here? We got to do some Dazzling Donors because I got to give you this little Sluggers update before I turn into a pumpkin here in Northern California and I have to rush off to my TV. job. So, let's thank some dazzling donors. We was hoping for some razzle-dazzle. Razzle-dazzle. That's right, man. Razzle-dazzle.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody razzle-dazzle.

All right. We've got to thank Candy Brewster of Port Murray, New Jersey. Candy has been supporting the program for a good while we've seen candy's name yes on the list candy we we met i want to feel in brooklyn too at the brooklyn show it's a dangerous game dano to get into speculating about the movements of the tbtl 10s and the dazzling donors but was was candy in chicago or is that different candy different candy gotcha we've got to like we can take you to the candy shop on this show my friend got a lot of candies listening to the program candy says when i was in high school by the way Candy is dazzling the show with a donation of dough that is really substantial and appreciated and not insignificant. So we want to thank Candy. Candy says, when I was in high school, I took a lofty course. Great books seminar. It was really just senior English, and it was led by a mysterious, long-haired, craggy, brilliant character. In hindsight, he was certainly a frustrated novelist Probably a heavy drinker and smoker Who daily had to accept his fate as a high school teacher I think we all had that English teacher

The holdovers comes to mind

Mine was named Mr. Livingston And he was at Nathan Hale I was in honors English He would come into class like two minutes late And he would still have cigarette smoke like radiating out of his hair because he just been power huffing cigarettes in the in the like staff smoking area. I mean, here's the crazy thing. If I think about Mr. Livingston, when I was in high school, I would have guessed his age to be roughly 140. And I bet you he was like 50, if anything.

Right. Maybe younger than we are now.

Maybe even so Each day he would lay a sheet of paper On our desks with a quote Stanza etc we would never know Who authored these words but would spend the time Discussing what we thought they meant Or were trying to say Many years later I still have these pages And have filled in many of the gaps A Wallace Stevens poem A Shakespeare sonnet A clip from Hemingway I relish solving the many mysteries What a cool thing for this teacher to do You know I love that Candy is still experiencing this in 2024 now I've been presented with the same puzzle solving challenges with TBTL drops and I get the same sense of satisfaction when I finally realize oh that's where that's from yes Candy thank you the work continues here on TBTL this is a long term project too it's really about sort of giving the listeners a bit of a mystery to solve, to keep their minds active and to just be something that can delight for years to come are super duper niche audio drops that we play. Thank you for continuing a lifelong hunt. Oh yeah, and the global loneliness stuff too. Well Candy, we appreciate you. We could not do this without you and glad that our obscure audio is picking up where your fine, fine, great books seminar teacher left off. Palapena. Maestro.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dazzle.

It's Dylan Ahola of West Seattle, Washington. Dylan says, hey, friendos, I have no idea why this process gives me so much nervous energy. Dylan, I mean, you are under no obligation to fill these things out. You could also just say You know Hey thanks for the show Or you could say N.A. You could just like Not applicable You could do that thing Where you write in Like a quotation mark Which I just think I do that sometimes If it's like Shipping address Billing address That it's like The two little lines Like chick chick That just means I just said that to you Oh I see Oh when you're like

Filling out Like physical paperwork On a computer Oh I see what you're talking about Yeah

Yeah I don't think Yeah I don't know If I can do that on a computer But on paperwork, you know, sometimes just do that little like two slashes, which I was taught meant it's the same as the thing I just did.

Yeah, I haven't done that in a while. I feel like, yeah, when paperwork was more a part of my life, I feel like that was something I was I was doing a lot. You can also just start by saying Webster's defines dazzling donor as and then I don't know.

Andrew, I'll tell you something. And I don't know if you know this. Works never done until the paperwork is finished.

I have heard that.

It's one to grow on, my friend. um dylan says but alas it does this gives dylan nervous energy another year down another year of me moving across the country oh oh well welcome to west seattle dylan i'm hoping this will be the last transcontinental move i have i want to say like everyone else congrats on the creation of tbtb my smallish plug is don't be too afraid of giving delta airlines some business i work for them and i've been doing so for almost five years they might be a giant airline but they do fly to many destinations including ohio haha i have worked for both alaska and delta but honestly both are great airlines they are marked marketed for different people but if you do get status with delta it can be good for luke thanks for all you do i cannot wait to hear another year's worth of the same stories god damn it dylan it was such a positive message until you reminded me of the fact it's the same stories over and over again but sometimes i cry so that adds a little that

spices it up that adds a little i already forgot you cried um i can't forget about it that will yeah i know three months for me that was like that was a big one too you know the worst part

was on my jog i thought you know that was a powerful moment i kind of want to tell andrew and the listeners about it and i was like don't get emotional like don't start don't start crying about it like just just get through the little story get through the little kind of you know thought you had the moment of gratitude you have just it's okay to i was i was gassing myself up to not cry and i literally said i got the words i went on a jog out i got the first i got i went on

a j oh well that's exactly how i felt talking about the dump um dylan i just want to say i

have actually flown delta in the not too uh distant past because it was one of those things where uh was i was going somewhere that was not was not being served by alaska airlines i had a wonderful time um i have been slightly american airlines i'll get on as well if need be i have been i've been trying to expand my mind dude on airlines i do try to go alaska if i can but um but yeah shout out to delta airlines actually i believe they have like the most flights out of seattle which is a crazy stat because we think of that as alaska territory at least at least they're rivaling alaska they're they've made a big push they did make a big push about four or five years ago i remember they hired donald sutherland to do the voiceover in their ads

that's how you know they're taking it serious and they literally flooded this local market it was so clear that they were going specific that's why dylan had a quick line in here something about marketing towards different customers i wonder what that i'm curious as to what that is i love pro or anti-Sutherland what that distinction is like well we see Alaska Airlines customers as x and we're trying to appeal to y or whatever I'd be interested in knowing what that is but from a marketing standpoint I thought it was really fascinating when Delta clearly came in one summer I feel like it was summertime because it was seeing a lot of ads during baseball games but it was like very clear that like Delta was here on a mission to cut up some of that market share look at right i mean share holy cow yeah am i let's put a pin in that my friend

and circle back anyway thank you dylan appreciate you it's time for a junior sluggers update andrew i'm here for it hope hope you're enjoying this is the theme from this week in baseball with mel allen oh is that what this is this should have been the theme the whole time i'm sorry i've been we're three quarters of the way through the season

i'm just now figuring out the sonic we'll never forget we literally played the wrong song on the very first episode of mcmillan man we're talking about how great the theme music was and we played a song and we we realized later that it was a different song by the same artist

That seems Possible For us Alright here is the update on the TBTL Junior Sluggers of the Parkside Little League of Portland Oregon from our friend Ben the manager Now is the Winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by these Sons and one daughter Of Parkside And all the clouds that lowered upon our house are still around. It is Portland, after all. But now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths. Our bruised arms filled with post-game snacks. Our stern alarums change to playful braggadocio. Really should have had Mel Allen reading this. Ozzie Smith with a nifty double play this week for the Saints.

St. Louis Cardinals, our dreadful marches to post-game age-appropriate dance parties. If you don't speak early modern English, here's the skinny. On Thursday evening, your TBTL Little Sluggers return to the win column with a dominating rematch victory over, wait for it, Andrew, the Flaming Pumas. We have got, Andrew, we have got the Flaming Pumas figured out, man.

We got their number.

It's like those days You know when the Mariners Could only beat you know like certain Teams and he's like god can't we just Play the A's again I say that With peace and love to our friends That live in Oakland that's You've been done dirty by that whole baseball Ownership group but anyway Perhaps it was Andrew's Chastisement That the little sluggers or blue eagles Weren't fierce enough names or maybe it was Luke's idle threat to pull the sponsorship I think you have that exactly nope nope nope he's got it right i never threatened to pull the sponsors sponsorship i did mention that maybe little sluggers and blue eagles were not able you know not able to do battle with the um you know what are some of the other fire sharks serpentines or something like that exactly the like uh robotic wolf spiders whatever they're naming these teams or perchance it was a result of not playing in over a week yeah you got to rest up those arms yeah i mean honestly but not too much whatever the whatever the cause the team was fired up we started the game amid a steady rain but the deluge couldn't cool off the red hot slugger offense balls were flying off our bats with some of the most solid contact we've made all season we took an early two-run lead and never looked back by the end of four innings the sky had cleared the sun was shining and we had cruised to an easy 5-1 victory nice congratulations i also i would say uh give it up to the parents for not calling the game if it was raining when i was a kid i feel like the games were often canceled because of rain but here was the difference mostly us kids just rode our bikes there to play and then there was like one like 18 year old who was the ump and then a couple of coaches on probation and i mean literally i had these two coaches that were definitely doing community service and it didn't take anything for that group of people to go we're not doing this today yeah right it's raining right but if you've got a bunch of parents who who had to leave work early who had to front load their day they had to they had to get on zoom earlier they had to get in the office earlier they had to move heaven and earth to make sure they could be standing in a field somewhere at 4 p.m those people were going to be gosh darned if that game was getting canceled although i can

see the other side of that too i could see the parents who did that and rearranged my day but then i was like yeah but it's raining out here and if we went home there's colombo at home and and dryness i could see the temptation of the parents so what i'm saying here is i'm also shouting out to the the parents and the coaches heck yeah who uh followed through with this so that we could

get this victory yes i think also it was that the managers realized we ain't missing out our chance

to beat up on the flaming pumas well you know that holy you just said it um andrew please sorry oh sorry i'll beep that out we have junior sluggers listening sorry sorry i'm marking it i'm marking it and i'm gonna beep that out uh market zero for you sir but you that's that's how you beat the flaming pumas you play fire rain can't defeat water exactly you play them in the rain

it's perfect wait till they play the park rose giant papers the cray papers oh man the scissors

out i mean they're good in august but you want to get them early in the season absolutely

um bring your scissors for that okay here are the highlights andreas was a threat on both sides of The ball, literally, I consider him, Andrew, the Shohei Ohtani, minus the gambling of the, that's not even fair. Poor Shohei. I went from being very suspicious of him to now just being like, that poor guy. It really does seem like he just got, you know, had a very bad thing happen to him that he wasn't part of. But anyway, Andreas was a threat on both sides of the ball. Literally, he made two spectacular plays in the field for outs and then drilled a hard hit line drive directly into the gut of assistant coach Chris, who was supervising in the field. Saved by the spare tire, joked a very lean coach, Chris. After making sure he was okay, the rest of the coaches lambasted him for getting in the way of what definitely would have been otherwise a two-run double. Isn't that the worst? When you have like a ground rule double and you know the guy was going to score. Yeah, right. If it would have stayed in the park. Amin continued his defensive wizardry scenario. A hard hit line drive at third base And doing a great job at first Bea broke out of a multi-game slump And got a clutch hit in the third inning To keep a rally alive I consider her The Cal Raleigh of their team You know Because that was a pinch hit Wait, I don't know if it was a pinch hit It was a clutch hit Not necessarily a pinch hit, but it was a clutch hit Nice job, Bea And then Armani Keeps getting better and better as a pitcher striking out several batters in his one inning of work i didn't even know they i'm to be honest with you andrew i'm surprised they allow strikeouts in the league i guess if they didn't the games might go on for long long long times but i also again forget what fox news has told you about participation awards because i i did assume that maybe they had we had come up with some sort of a way around a young person being told you have struck it out please return to the bench i kind of assumed we didn't do that anymore at the more starter levels of baseball but i guess

that's not the case well and no self-respecting junior slugger would accept that kind of treatment they're out there to play balls and put me in coach i'm ready to play so congratulations

to the junior sluggers they're off of the schneid andrew and i think what we've learned is let's just keep it local let's just stay within the park side a little bit of portland oregon we seem to really that just that seems to be kind of a good place for us is there a um update on the win

loss columns where we are as far as record is concerned well let's see back of the napkin i

think i've got us maybe a game under 500 yeah i think we might be three and four yeah that's

That sounds about right. That's good. That's good. It's a long season, though. We're still in the mix. Absolutely.

Absolutely. It's 155 games still?

I feel bad. When I heard that this is the summer of our discontent, I thought we were hearing bad news right away. So I feel sort of bad for the despair that I exhibited. That's all right.

Honestly, they know which one of us is going to be strong when they need us to be strong. It's the guy who was crying for the first four minutes of the show. That's the strong guy on the show. That's the guy that believes in them Hey kids sometimes daddy cries About a jog he went on

Well I am going to continue To lift this team up with my big hands Luke Yes your big ass hands Hey kids are listening

Oh you're right sorry Alright fair okay we're going to call that a draw You and I Anyway so congrats to the junior sluggers Alright we did not get to The What was going on in this kids bedroom when they thought that there were monsters there but we can talk about that uh tomorrow i will be back at the madrona hill studio and as much as i'm enjoying my time down here i am looking forward to um you know some home cooking and by that i mean heating up a trader joe's vegetarian based indian food dish so so we'll be back on video tomorrow i mean yes for

you and i seeing each other um we're not like streaming live on video or anything i don't mean to give that impression, but that means I need to start thinking about my shirts today. Today, as I was staring at my closet, I almost like went in this thing of, okay, well, what shirt did I wear yesterday? I'm like, oh, it doesn't matter. Nobody can see me. I can wear, so since we've been on audio only the past few days, you're on the road. Internet isn't as good. We do audio only. I've just been wearing the same shirt every day. Who cares? Who knows?

You know what, dude? That's my whole move to this television making. I am always wearing the same shirt combo because I just don't want to have to think about it. So if that's good enough for gall-darn CBS television, it's good enough for gall-darn TBTL Instagram page. So you wear whatever shirt you want, my friend, even if it's the same shirt two days in a row.

Well, it's a white T-shirt that I pull over my body that makes me look like I'm wearing a bikini.

Oh, you do that thing where you tuck it up, you pull the bottom of it up, and you pass it through the neck so that it kind of gives you a little...

Oh, wow, no, not that. I was talking about that. Like, haven't you ever seen, like, I think it was, like, maybe more in the 80s, like a big white oversized shirt, but then literally a body with a bikini is, like, airbrushed on the front. Oh, that, yes. That's what I'm wearing.

I would love that on you. I would love that. I thought maybe you were doing the move where you pull the shirt up and then it gives you kind of, like, a sort of sports bra appearance. I used to do that when I was a kid. I don't think I had picked up on maybe how that was sort of gendered in a way for a while. Once I did, I did not do it anymore. but there was i remember being young and thinking that was a cool look and uh and doing that a

couple of times but anyway i was never confident enough in my belly to do anything like that

yeah i i had you know i i i had a very very uh slender life as a kid and now i spend my adult years trying to return to that with the

with moderate to severe non-success.

By the way, if people think, like, why did Andrew start the music and get rid of it, I could hear there were some audio issues there. Let's try this again. I feel like I was gaslighting everybody. Oh, no, that's still bad. Beautiful. Ooh, still rough, still rough. Oh, I see.

You're having, I thought you meant my voice was breaking up. No, you're doing great. The machine is being weird.

I'm getting crackles on the outro music, so I don't know if we can do this. We might just have to keep going forever and ever. Sorry, I'll just add in post.

We'll fix it in post.

We'll fix it in post.

Hey, thanks, everyone, for listening. We're going to be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio for you. In the meantime, have a great Wednesday. Take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all. I love this song. Garbage. All I've been thinking about all week is garbage. I mean, I just can't stop thinking about it. Power out.