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Well, all right. Hello. Good morning and welcome everyone to a Thursday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. This is the beginning of a social engineering attack. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I'm joking. I'm joking. Coming to you from the Madrona Hill studio perched high above the mighty Columbia where it's kind of a mixed bag today weather-wise. It's a little cloudy. It's colder than it's been the last few days. In fact, I have the heater going in here in the studio, which, as we've learned, can actually endanger the entire broadcast if it decides to trip the breaker. So hopefully that will not happen. If you're going to be in the greater Portland area tonight and you want to stop by the Patricia Research Center for the Performing Arts, I think they've got their heat. In fact, their entire HVAC. I think it's totally dialed in. We're going to be doing live wire there tonight with Zainab Johnson, the hilarious comedian, also Kristen Hirsch, the phenomenal musical person from Throwing Muses. That's all tonight. You want showmanship? You got it! At the Reeser in Beaverton. Maybe we will see you there. But that's not the only high-quality entertainment that I plan on generating today. That's right, it starts here. Right here, right now, with episode 4,207 in a collector's series.

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Pretty good. pretty good ding out of that old bell that i've been limping along here for the last couple of weeks um if you are a fan of uh sriracha the i guess we'll call it hot sauce the seasoning um i have some not incredible news for you be careful though it's spicy we've been dealing with a sriracha shortage that's hard to say and it seems like the shortage is going to get shorter And also there's a surprising amount of intrigue and haterism within the pepper, sriracha, and other hot sauce spicy community that I did not realize existed until I read this Associated Press article about the sriracha shortage today. So we will get into that, and it's a Blur's Day, so we'll do the Blur's Day messages. people always look forward to all week, all month, all year, really. You know, when a child is born into a TBTL family, I think obviously they're excited because there's a new arrival in the family, but also because one day that child will grow up and they will be shouted out during the Blur's Day segment, probably. It's a very special time in a family's development, I guess. Hey, speaking of developing friendships, I've got one going with this guy many years later. He's the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, and he's looking very nice on this Riverside broadcast. He's the recent recipient of a high-quality haircut. Their friendship survived many years and multiple hairdos. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now. Good morning, my friend. Hey, I think I just got caught on my

first hot mic moment. It wasn't as sexy as some others. Did you hear me accidentally say, hmm, into the microphone when you were talking about my hair? Well, the thing is, I feel like

once i have kind of turned the corner once i've once i've moved past like say announcing the blurs days are today and we're getting now into the andrew introductory component of the broadcast where i'm saying that

You're the longest-running co-bro of the show, et cetera. To me, that feels like, at that point, any time you want to turn your mic on and start commenting, start jumping in, it feels appropriate to me. Start bar-borrowing you?

Because it literally is, hmm.

People seem to love that bar-borrow tape, but I will tell you what, ever since we started playing it, I now note every time that I bar-borrow you on the program. We've talked about it. he does it to a particularly kind of extreme degree but there are some things that just conversationally happen naturally when you're affirming what the other person is saying when you're letting there's all this stuff that we do sort of unconsciously and now that we're noting it when Michael Barbaro does it I'm noting it when we do it

one thing that's been in my head lately and I feel weirdly like I've gotten worse at it or I'm just more in tune to it I mean and I'm being serious here after doing this show with you since 2012 i believe i joined this pirate ship wow um i know is my issue with ums i go back and i listen to the tape and i say um so much i don't think i was ever totally void of saying ums in my you know conversation as i'm trying to think of the next word but i've always tried to be more disciplined and just like if i can't think of the next word just pause for a moment but I go back and I listen to the tape now and I say um and like I say like so many times I was pulling a piece of tape for Instagram the other day and the beginning of the tape I literally said like five times in a row did you catch that do you

read you know what I didn't and I for many years in broadcasting have thought about this topic because one of the criticisms of our generation I think when we got into doing radio shows and stuff from the previous generation was that we overused the word like and I instead of erasing it from my lexicon or working on my broadcasting skills I chose to just embrace it as a way of speaking that people are okay with so really just out of laziness and not wanting to have to like there it is consider each and every wow not wanting to consider every single word that was coming out of my mouth and if it was repetitive or if I was overusing the word like I decided to just go with it go with whatever my natural inclination was and so it may have worked because I don't self-edit on that and I also don't notice you doing that I've never noticed

you to overuse the word like first of all in the set I was just trying to dial something up here So I was kind of giving you one of my ears instead of both of them, like I'm usually giving you, giving you two ears and half a heart. So this time I was giving you full heart, one ear.

Some of that is just, you know, plaque buildup. And I'd like you to I'd like you to talk to a physician about that.

I need an audio angioplasty. Angioplasty always gets a laugh.

Definitely sounds like a Duff McKagan side project. Is he in a band called Audio Angioplasty? like they'd be they'd be one of ron's favorite bands

all right so i'm gonna play for you i was gonna say that when you said like a moment ago and caught yourself we'd have to go back to the tape but i think you were actually using like properly you were weren't you in the moment just saying i was i was indicating something was similar to something yeah literally a simile um i'm talking about this so this is the high level production Now, we record this show in pristine fidelity. We upload it as a podcast. And we take that audio and we upload it to Instagram. And all of that is just clean and professional. Now what I'm going to do for an example of me talking on the show is hold my phone up to the microphone and play the Instagram reel that I'm talking about. This is somehow the easiest way to do this because it's on Instagram. It's on Instagram. and I don't feel like trying to play it from my desktop and I was trying to find the right one on the fly. But this is the one, this is a piece of tape that I grabbed. So I was especially kind of cognizant of how many times I say like at the beginning of this. I watched this, this has decent numbers because I watched it a million times just to lambast myself. That's one way. Listen to this, let me see. I hope it starts right at the beginning. You know, wasn't there an era of like a lot of the pop music I liked was all like kind of being created by like the same like Northern European studio or whatever and just like farming them out to who are you thinking of there was five likes in there six if you count the one where i said music that i like but i'm not counting that one because no

because that was that was used properly well now that you play it like that a lot of likes and that's but that's the proper i just said now that you play it like that is that correct yes exactly

yes now that you play that now

Now that we're isolating it and considering it and listening for that particular word, okay, that is a significant number of usages of that word. But I both had that conversation with you in real time and then remembered when you proposed it to John Sklaroff and I as potential Instagram tape. and at no time did I in the moment think oh this is Andrew's using the word like a lot here it somehow recedes into the background and only upon you pointing it out did I notice and I think my guess would be the listeners have a similar experience except for a few cranks who occasionally want to who are just dealing with other things and they want to email in and get on our case about some kind of verbal tick but just so you know when I was having that conversation with you and i'm very critical of your work i know i know a significant portion of my yes a significant portion of my brain every day and each each hour while we're talking is really you're getting about 10 of the 10 of my brain that i use so first of all i only use 10 of it but of that 10 easily 5 is harshly critiquing your work and yet despite that i didn't even notice that you were saying like a lot there so i just go easy on my friend andrew is what i'm

trying to say here i'm gonna play it again just for the because i love the sound of my voice no because i really listened to this a million times and i could not believe but i'm also gonna expound on this after we play this one more time i'm going to share an observation with you you know wasn't there an era of like a lot of the pop music i liked was all like kind of being created by like the same like northern european studio or whatever and just like farming them out to now what's happening there and it's a tell if anybody is i don't know if we want kind of a next level you know we handed out those tbtl bingo cards uh maybe we should do like kind of um three-dimensional bingo on this show now because when you hear me talking like that in the i know what's happening number of likes and ums is my brain is working overtime to grab something there like there's a like i in that exact moment i was trying to remember what is this studio what is the country who is one pop star i am scrambling i want to get to my point but as i'm making noise with my mouth hole my brain is just scrambling trying to grab onto just one actual fact to say and it can't find anything and so i'm but i don't want to stop talking i don't want awkward silence no i don't want to lose my train of thought so i'm just talking weirdly the less i have to say the faster i talk and the more verbal filler i put in there it is

something that i need to work on i'm not joking i wonder if also what was happening for you there was that you were not feeling 100 confident in the thing that you were saying yeah exactly about the so it's it's both the the facts of the case the specific names and and i can it's funny here it is a week later and we're just going to kind of like re-litigate this but now i can think of yeah i i know generally speaking the kind of swedish producers you were talking about but i can't remember their names but you so i think you were kind of trying to remember the specific people you were talking about but also at the same time kind of trying to hedge a little bit and not come out so forcefully of saying something that you were not 100 sure you you stood behind But this is what the show is, Andrew. We do this for like an hour plus a day, and so much of it is us winging it Robin Williams style. Like if we were supposed to be doing this show every day with certitude around what we were saying, there would be no show. We could not do this five days a week. So it is just kind of a free form cosmic jazz where we're going. Wasn't there a producing team out of Sweden that was like just hit makers for a while? Like, that's that's what we do on the show. But at the same time, you have, Andrew, the humility to know that you might be incorrect about that. And so you're not saying it forcefully. You're you're you're you're wrapping the thing you're going to say in a protective cocoon of the word like.

But what I need to I don't mind not knowing everything. I don't even mind not knowing anything, which may be the case.

We could know or not know things all day, Andrew.

I'm fine with all of that, but I would like the listening experience to be less frenetic and less anxiety producing. And when I'm machine gunning likes and ums and like that's at you at a million parsecs, a parsec, I just feel like, I feel like, that's right, I feel like it's a very distracting, bad audio product. Of course, me stopping every time.

i say like is also going to be a problem so i promise that will not be a trend i did not notice

anything out of the ordinary about that conversation and i was very in favor of putting it up on the internet because i thought it was uh a nice little moment which you said it's

doing some decent traffic it's just because me hitting play over and over again with and i have a little whip in my hand and i whip it over my left shoulder whip it over my right shoulder

than i put on the hair shirt yes you do you you you've been wearing um a figurative hair suit hair shirt for i would say pretty much since day one right yeah it's my safety space um one thing andrew that um that i don't a mistake you would not make it would be making an entire latte with spoiled milk as was the case apparently at my parents house this morning because i was talking to them on the phone first thing is it's it's a it's an interesting experience to remember that not everyone and particularly people that are older than me they are not on their phones as much as i am like i texted my dad at i want to say eight last night about the next phase of working on the old house here and i didn't hear from him last night and i got up this morning and i still hadn't heard from him and i thought like is he mad at me is he trapped under something heavy and then because my dad is 70 he has the read notifications on his text messages with me which that is a level that is just that is a level of being above reproach in the world that i will

never achieve i didn't know that was an option on an iphone read receipts yeah on so far as i can tell with our samsung phones or our android devices i don't know exactly how it breaks down for the most part i cannot see when somebody reads a text message unless i'm texting somebody else on an android so i'm pretty sure that like avivs and i are texting each other and we're using like whatever their encrypted sms's or whatever i get somebody's going to write in an explanation of all this to me and i'm probably going to half read it uh so i'm just really bad with that kind of technology but whatever it is whatever that end-to-end texting system is um i think it's now built in that if you're talking to another android person you get one little blue check mark when they get it and another blue check mark when they read it but see that is a read receipt yeah but i didn't know that you could do that on an apple or an iphone and i think you can also

turn it off because i i hope they gotta have mine turned off i've i tried to at some point because I do not I don't want that level of transparency going on where somebody knows when I've actually read the message versus when I'm responding to them.

Do you ever do the thing where and I do this on Instagram sometimes where like you'll get a notification that somebody sends you a note, but you just try to read as much as you can in the preview pane so that you don't actually click on it?

Yes, that's constantly what I do. And I'm very I'm very hazy on the details of Instagram. I asked Beck about this the other day. I was like, does somebody know if I look? i'm not a big instagram lurker but sometimes somebody will comment on something for whatever reason i'll just like go oh i wonder who this person is and i'll look at their instagram profile and i had this moment of terror thinking does somebody know any time i look at their instagram profile because i don't know that could just be weird if you're like a listener and all of a sudden it's like hey luke burbank was peeping your instagram profile i promise it's always there's never anything untoward going on but the point is all that stuff makes me kind of nervous

like bikini pics like when i post a photo of myself in a bikini i noticed that you suddenly like i get a lot of notifications i smash that like button indeed you do but so my dad has his

read receipts on because he has nothing to hide this is a man with nothing to hide i don't know what that's like i'll never know what that's like but uh so so in other words i could see that the message had been delivered last night but not read as of this morning okay so it's like all right well this is the exact point of this i know that my dad is not mad at me he just last night at whatever eight o'clock or something was like he put the ipad away and uh because that is what he does my dad on his ipad in the morning just cracks me up it's like oh you're the target demo for this i guess like this is so much harder than to me than a laptop or your phone he's like scoogling he's like scoogling yeah he's like going through whatever bizarre news source I mean I have to say my dad's politics are actually really good considering his pedigree as an evangelical Christian and a person of his age like he I'm I'm so grateful that my dad has not slipped into a more reactionary version of the world as many of my parents friends have but I still don't know really where he gets his news it's like mostly I see him scrolling and it's it's like it's not like he's not

Not on the New York Times website. He's not even really on Facebook. He's on something where it'll be news stories, but then every other thing is like a really ripped 80-year-old guy. Yeah. And then it'll be like a news headline, and then the next thing will be like a drawing of the human colon with like way too much stuff backed up. Right.

And then some sort of yellow arrow either going in or coming out showing you what the product will do.

And it's like, I don't know where this news started out. I don't know. And again, he's not reading Newsmax, and it's not conspiracy theory stuff. It is based—I don't know what this aggregation is, how it's going and grabbing these articles. But he does seem to eventually land on real news. But he has to scroll through so much, just like bot-created terrible advertisement while he's doing that. All that is to say, he finally picked up the text this morning. and so I we were texting back and forth and I realized this is just going to be easier to call him and figure out the scheduling on some stuff so I call him up my mom is there having a nice morning or so I thought I said how's it going uh he goes it's pretty good my mom goes well we drank lattes with sour milk in them so is this one of those conversations where it's kind of like

you're kind of talking to them both at the same time one of them is on the phone but the other

one is yelling in the background sort of I think I might have been on speakerphone and I they sound like they were sitting i think they were like literally having their coffee and this was the part that really stuck out to me i was like did you notice that the milk was bad before you steamed it up for the latte and my dad said with complete seriousness it didn't seem as bad oh god walter like so they smelled the milk and deemed it to be not great but still consumable until though it had said when you steam it it really releases god damn it there is no amount of milk seeming off to me that is an acceptable amount no you know what i mean like i actually dumped out i don't i don't consume a lot of milk around here but my dad when he's here helping me out we always have some but then what happens is there's like a whatever a half gallon of milk in my refrigerator I'm always looking at it kind of nervously like does this need to can it can it can I save it for the next time my dad's out here or should like there was one that was it was like sell by date was May 6th this was like three or four days ago I was like okay it's been refrigerated it was purchased before May 6th but I don't like I don't know I I just don't. Milk seems like one of those things. Dairy products. When you get past that sell by date, I start getting a little nervous myself.

Absolutely. Now, I know that we're going to hear from people because I take it to an extreme. People will say that is a sell by date, not an expiration date, et cetera, et cetera. But like, again, like we I don't want to be wasteful or make it sound like I'm a hundred dollar in there. But like I it's worth it to me to buy another four dollar thing of milk or cream or whatever it is, as opposed to potentially seeing a lump go into my coffee or cereal.

Because that's that's something you can't really get out of your mind. You can't unsee that or untaste that. Like, I've probably ingested a dairy product that's turned maybe three times total in my life. And it still feels like in the top five, of the top five most traumatic moments of my life, three of them were that. Like, that's why it's not worth the risk. And my parents, God bless them, just, I don't even want to know what unholy woohoo milk this was. But they smelled it and thought, yeah, this has gone bad, but it's still consumable. And then they steamed it up and put it in their milk, and then were like, no, or put it in their coffee, and were like, actually, no, this is not okay. I can't imagine how bad. It must have been feta cheese at that point.

I feel like they also gassed their house. I feel like you just need to coordinate. You need to do that thing that they did to the E.T. house where you totally covered it. Or hermetically seal it. Yeah, or maybe the opposite of that. Maybe just open every goddamn window and go on vacation. Maybe remove the roof. Yeah, remove the roof. Go on vacation for a couple of weeks. Come back and restart. I love the idea of, okay, this milk is a little bit on the edge, but what's going to bring it back to life is heating it up and stinging it.

I think wet heat will solve this problem. No. I know. The life that they lead. I told you once, like, I mean, on the one hand, I've been really thinking about my parents a lot lately and how fortunate I am that they are in good health and that they are. are able to you know sort of get around in the world and do stuff they're 70 years old that's not old and they're both they're both very active very spry people and that is a real that's a real privilege for me because I know people that are dealing with their parents getting older and um you know that's part of life but it's it can be a really sad part of life and I am not in that position yet someday I probably will be so I've been thinking about my parents a lot but like I think I told you this some number of years ago I went over to their house to pick up I think either I was dropping off some something related to the boat because there was a period of time where my the small little boat that's like on a trailer here in my side yard was at my parents house because I didn't have anywhere to put it and so there was some series of times where I needed to go over and get things related to the boat or drop things off somehow I showed up at their house on like a Wednesday night I think unannounced which like never happens because I don't live anywhere near them and i got to observe them in their natural state when none of us kids are there it was shocking there was one light on in the house i think this was also in that kind of period of winter where it's like getting dark at like five i i remember approaching the house and i feel like there was at maximum two very small like they may have lit one of those lamps from like little house on the prairie there may have been two of those kerosene lamps going in the house and my mom was like on the couch under a blanket like you know watching tv or something and my dad I believe was in the kitchen under the other one light that was on and he was like cooking up some kind of woohoo food and I just thought like man this is this is just an average Wednesday in the life of Walt and Suze that's made it sound kind of bleak I mean the thing about it is all of this is voluntary like they could have all the lights on they just the way their brains work is we don't need to have lights on in parts of the house we're not using right now and we could buy expensive uh you know diced up chicken or we could buy the stuff that's been marked down the stuff that has got the woohoo sticker on it and then we'll have saved some money like this is luckily for them this is all voluntary but every once in a while i just imagine they're and by the may also just mention they're two of the happiest people i know they were just on anna maria island in florida with their friends cliff and cindy they had the time of their life like they are very happy people and they very much enjoy being alive and they very much enjoy being together so all of this is kind of a gift but i would you couldn't pay me enough to have their life is what i'm trying to say

drinking steaming spoiled milk in the morning uh before you get on the ipad and read about the latest the michael cohen's testimony in the trump trial you describe you're walking up to their

house in the winter like a Washington Irving story sort of yes I can picture the Disney animation of like a cold a cold wisp oh yeah taking on the shape I didn't even get into the

temperature I didn't even I did not even be I'm sure it was warmer outside than it was inside the house I'm sure I had to put a jacket on to go into the house outside was relatively balmy let me ask

you a question has your dad seen the new iPad commercial and what are his thoughts on it I will

get an update on sunday uh andrew when uh my dad comes by and we we again kind of resume work on the house and okay i i you know i don't i don't know why this is something that the hill that i want to die on but let me just hold on i'm gonna see if my headphones stretch i want to grab something okay this is the ipad that i bought i want to say i don't know whenever they came out Maybe this is second generation

Okay you had this one

Wow look at this I had them engraved reward if found on the back And then I put my email address That was a thing you could do back in the day Because I was like someone's going to try to boost this

I remember I think I had mine engraved with my name too

But like okay so here it is I don't use it I don't even know if I have the thing To power this up I think You know it's been through a few different I was trying to use it to run the Sonos maybe at my old house Or something but this is the thing the whole sales pitch of the new ipad is that it's unbelievably thin and you pointed out andrew that if people have these in their briefcase or whatever their bag thinner is better i am still surprised this is not this does not strike me as overly thick this old one is not you know so often with computer technology a couple generations go by and you go oh my god i didn't realize how clunky that older one was until i saw the new one i just don't this ipad as it currently exists doesn't seem to me like it would be an issue to put it into my backpack or my thing it seems like it's

pretty thin to me it depends on what else you're putting in there like i say now here's the deal i think i have that exact same ipad with that same exact like old school like magnetic over folding cover that you can also use as a stand good design it was one of the selling points i remember it was literally ron upshot came in the station one day and like kind of unfolded his iPad and set it up that way I'm like I could totally see myself putting my recipes on this but here's where I made a mistake which was um back in the day I just thought whenever you're buying any kind of new piece of computer equipment or computer style equipment get the largest hard drive possible I did that for my iPad I'm sorry I did that for my iPod because I wanted to load a lot of music onto it when you're buying a computer i just kind of realized all of my zoons for all of my zoons i just realized that like oh one thing i have learned from the trajectory of digital life is for the most part space is less and less sort of what's the best way to put this like you run out of space quicker than you think as technology kind of speeds up and files are bigger and hard drive space is is cheaper and so i got whatever the biggest hard drive on my ipad was which was a real mistake because this was the first piece of technology where i realized i'm not downloading things i think i tried using it as a sound like i was actually i can tell you i probably bought that around 2012 because i was new on uh tbtl or about to start on tbtl and i like the idea of having a like kind of a sound board to play drops i never ended up using it that way i set up a sound board meticulously and just never really used it but i was like oh i'm going to be downloading all kinds of audio and saving on it like an iPad is not a storage device so the reason I bring that up is I believe I have that same exact iPad that you're holding there when I go to pick it up now it seems really heavy it might be because I've got that extra storage that might add weight to it but I am so intrigued by this Apple commercial I want to see what a new one is I will bet you if you were to hold in your left hand a new one and your old one in the right hand my guess is you'd be pretty blown away and I want to say I don't have to go into detail on this in fact maybe I can just push people to after these messages Genevieve had not seen that oh good iPad you were able to keep that off her radar I asked her to sort of yeah like to try if this if this crosses your transom try not to see the commercial in advance you know in advance that there's some sort of like kind of controversy around it or strong opinions but aside from that try to keep your brain as sort of clean tabula rasa as possible and so I played it for her on the show to get her reaction and she loves those kind of crushing videos and everything so at first i do too it's a minute long and she i'm watching her face and she's got this big smile the whole time she's loving this commercial and then at the very end when it reveals that it smashes everything down and turns it into an ipad the biggest eye roll you can imagine crosses her face and she wasn't we don't you know there's no video component to our show this was just a

natural reaction i was just watching her naturally react i developed like in my conversation with Genevieve and like kind of in the five days since I talked to you about it and then I talked to her about it I've come around I honestly think the commercial is genius I think that it's so I think that they knew they were going to kick up a little bit of controversy but it's it's as far as controversy goes it's so minimal you know what I mean I think anybody who's in the market for this thing isn't going to be turned off and say well I was really sort of interested in it but I really didn't like the way that they it looks like they're compressing art into just gigabytes you know like all it did for me was made me think about do I need a new iPad and like I think it's like the perfect amount of of controversy and it's also just spectacular to look at it truly is beautiful I watched it like five times now I honestly and I'm not as you know I'm not somebody who's looking for hot takes but the more I think about that commercial I think they just nailed it

controversy included and you think probably they were intentionally courting a certain amount of controversy maybe not so as to probably get into the conversation i don't think i'd say courting

but probably but knew i don't think anybody was like oh we're not going to get any kind of reaction to this it looks like we're squeezing the arts down into into nothing but uh but you know bits and bites i i think that they knew i don't think that the idea started with them saying we need something that's going to cause a little bit of controversy I don't think they're recording it but I'll bet you by the time they decided to sign off on it they knew that it would get some press

I get worried when we have this conversation because I am so susceptible to impulse purchases around something that I think will make me a different person in my life different and I think the reason I got this iPad in the first place I did also have a soundboard on here And we probably had the same one And I had somehow dragged different drops And I could hit them Kind of like some kind of a DJ Playing little audio And the dream about this iPad And about one that's even more thin And has more processing Is that I could have a version of my life Where it's the only thing that I need to bring anywhere And I could just like go on a trip to do a reporting story and i can just pop that thing out and then i can just talk to you on it and do tbtl and do you have you know write my script and everything that i would need could be in one thing and that is a very appealing thought to me for obvious reasons but i mean i this ipad i've had for 12 years probably if not longer i've used it four times i have no need for an ipad in my life even the new thinner better one and all four times was you taking photos at concert that's the tragedy man they got 60 of jefferson airplane back together did you know

that jefferson starship is playing at one of the casinos i can't get away from it because they keep

showing so many commercials for it during the mariners game oh so you're playing them on the

radio okay because i'm only hearing it on the radio grace slick is no longer with an airplane

or jefferson starship right andrew yeah when i tell you the rabbit hole that i went down the other night on the very topic of one grace slick tell me everything that you know about the the

current status because i i was about to start googling but it sounds like i don't need to i

don't need to pull up my ipad when i say rabbit hole i didn't i didn't actually uncover any useful information but i had the exact same question which was uh they were what it was was i saw the tv ad during the mariners game and it was like jefferson starship and which is interesting because they were jefferson airplane and then they were jefferson starship and then they were starship then they were just starship yeah i think they're back to jefferson starship but they were like jefferson starship or whatever and there was a woman singing i was like that's not grace slick can you call it jefferson starship without without the grace slick and then i looked up grace slick uh still alive listed as a retired musician i believe on her wikipedia page but then where i went with it was i ended up watching the music video from the film mannequin where starship sings the song nothing's gonna stop us now okay yeah i've seen that yeah and it was wild to me because okay first of all i didn't remember that kim cattrall of tbtl scatting fame is the mannequin in Mannequin. And I couldn't remember the plot. Is she real? Is it a hallucination of Andrew, I forget his last name, the guy who becomes obsessed with this mannequin? Is it McCarthy? Andrew McCarthy, nice. And she's kind of, it's one of those things, it's like a Calvin and Hobbes deal. I think it's like when other people come around, she's not alive, but then when he's with her, she is alive. Meshack Taylor is this kind of fabulously over-the-top guy who's somehow i don't know doing the fashion related to this but what was what was interesting to me was i was just thinking we don't do this anymore we don't like as far as i know now maybe i could be the probably the barbie song i don't know what the billy eilish video is that's associated that you won an oscar for she and phineas for the song that's on the barbie soundtrack so maybe i'm just not watching these things anymore but what this was was a very involved film shoot where you had grace slick and the dude from jefferson starship kind of grace slick keeps turning into a mannequin herself and it's kind of like the guy but it's intercut yep with stuff from mannequin but they also clearly shot new stuff from mannequin to be in the video was like a mini film that kept jumping in between the members of jefferson starship living it where grace like is mannequining in and out but then also kim cattrall is there and and like andrew mccarthy it was it must have been itself a two-week shoot and i thought we just don't do that anymore we don't we don't you don't write a song for a soundtrack and then they're like okay let's get brad pitt and whomever else in here and let's like reshoot part of the movie for the sound for

the video of the thing and then intercut i i don't know exactly what i'm talking about here what the example is but i know that huey lewis has played in this space too like that that style of music video that is like the performers playing on a stage somewhere or maybe just you know wherever they are like kind of you see them singing and performing but then intercut with shots of the movie but then you realize that some of the the new footage of the musicians also is somehow nodding towards the movie or in this case as you describe it going full mannequin yes that was a real thing you never want to go full mannequin 80s and early 90s i feel like i i i can't tell

you this um based on any actual information but i would be willing to bet a lot of money that the video for the song back in time by huey lewis in the news involves at some point huey lewis standing in the middle of those flaming tire tracks that happened in back to the future that's a good guess i can't i can't i can't verify it on the fly i feel like i feel like he's got to be in the what Is it Twin Pine?

mall or whatever three pines mall whatever that place is where doc and marty are trying to uh initially you know time travel i feel like i would bet you a lot of money that at some point huey lewis and the news show up in that parking lot that sounds about that sounds about right to

me i was also sort of picturing him fading out but maybe that's just me being too arty with my how i would direct i would just have all of the members of the news fade out as time changes and forgets them and erases them um by the way like the like the guys playing earth angel in the movie exactly currently the jefferson starship lineup features founding member david freyberg along with donnie baldwin judy no i'm sorry jude gold kathy richardson and chris smith so it says founding member david freeberg and or freyberg and i'm wondering if he was even in there might no longer be there might no longer like like like there might be no dna linking today's jefferson starship with yesterday's jefferson airplane i don't know how i feel about that

well it's it's it's george washington's airplane if you slowly replace each part of the airplane yes at what point is it is it the same airplane at all i'm looking at the uh the original lineup he was yeah he was he was in yeah i think he's been i think he he and grace slick i get the sense because of course they also did i mean man what a time the 80s were for the for the band starship think about like the we built this city on rock and roll yeah i mean that was big like that's a pretty unusual thing if you think about it you've got like okay we're jefferson airplane we're doing white rabbit we're like you know all about the psychedelic kind of you know hate ashbury bay area scene and one i hate that song by the way it's one of my least favorite songs in the history of the world to this day it scares me when she's shrieking feed your head or whatever it's like no thank you um i've spent a lifetime not feeding my head i don't know if

you've listened to the show my head is temporarily intermittently fast no my my head is my it's

ramadan in my head it is fasting my friend but um like that's a pretty amazing career for that band to to to have be really associated with a certain style like did they play at woodstock i don't know

but i'm guessing yes yes i'm quite i'm quite sure of that like to be that big in that scene but then

to also be the like we built this city on rock and roll and now you're just called starship but you're still, like, writing songs that are hugely popular in America. You don't usually get to do that. You're kind of like, you know, you're either the band that played at Woodstock or, like, for instance, Joe Cocker. Okay, Joe Cocker famously performs at Woodstock, and Joe Cocker remained popular, I think, and a popular performer, but he wasn't putting out – they didn't have him on the soundtrack of Mannequin 2 on the move, one of the first movies I believe I ever walked out of in the theater, Andrew. you always remember the first time you're like no this is not worth two hours of my life but

like it was packs for me or what what was the uh was there a movie called packs was that with um kevin spacey kevin spacey yeah i walked out of some kevin spacey movie i remember walking in and being like no life is too short and i was like 20 that was me with mannequin 2 on the move

but like but yeah so of the bands that played at woodstock this would be an interesting uh kind of listicle i would guess that jefferson airplane was one of the only bands that played woodstock and then also had as many number one hits as they did in solidly into the 80s because it just seems like there's you get to be one or the other you don't get to be relevant to the boomer generation of the woodstock fandom and then also relevant to a young luke burbank who is uh you know obsessed with the song we built this city on rock and roll yeah i'm not sure like

i i now now i'm like looking this up and i'm not trying to prove you wrong but like sly and the family stone they seem like relevant maybe they're more of a yeah but like everyday people they were probably doing everyday people at woodstock um ccr um credence clearwater revival that is but um uh here's one thing that i was gonna say and this does not at all have anything to do with the point you're making or that i'm for some reason trying actually the who was pretty big going into the 80s i think they maintain who are you who who um but i was going to say one thing that's funny to for me to think about i know i've raised this too many times on the show anyway but time man it really blows my mind i think of the 80s i think of the mid 80s when we built this city on rock and roll being such a different time than the woodstock years and now that I'm an old and I look back and I do the math, I'm like, okay, there are 16 year difference. It's like Woodstock was 69, 85 was when we built this city. That was 16 years. Like I still consider music that was released 16 years ago right now to be modern music. You know what I mean? Like we're talking like what? What was 16 years ago? 2003, 2004, I'm bad at math. But either way, it's just sort of like, wow, to me as a kid, living in the 80s, thinking of the Woodstock years as being just. in 85 i was probably just starting to get into like the beatles and stuff and i thought they were like coming from a different era like just like they crossed oceans of time and it was like

yes like before there were like cars or film or even tape recording which of course is right contradicted by the fact that you're listening to a recording but it literally feels like they're

from the caveman days of some right right exactly and so to see that there was just like um but but that that has nothing to do with your point of them just parlaying and i can't remember i mean starship had like maybe two really big 80s hits we built this city and the mannequin song like i

don't know maybe nothing's gonna stop us now and if this world runs out of lovers we'll still have each other nothing's gonna stop us now um those are the two that i can think of i might be for i might be forgetting one you know another here's another band that i will say actually made that they weren't at Woodstock but a band that I think managed to kind of stay relevant and it's funny because they followed a fairly similar path as the band Heart because you remember you've got like

Magic Man and Barracuda both of those songs are objectively perfect in the words they're so good

but that's a real 70s sound right but then you've got the Wilson sisters continuing to be relevant with like These Dreams and that real kind of like 80s, you know, ballady kind of stuff like Heart. All I want to do is make love to you. One Night of Love was all we knew like they Heart was one of those ones that was very popular in the 70s and very popular in the 80s and maybe up into the early 90s. So I'd put them on that list of bands. It just had a lot like I feel like you just don't do that anymore like think consider wither the jennifer lopez like you know j-lo as of 20 years ago is a reliable pop star and is reliably making music that is you know it's going to debut very high it's going to get radio play and it's going to debut you know on the billboard charts same with justin timberlake they're like shutting down justin timberlake concerts because he's not selling

enough tickets i didn't know that he was trying to tour but i know that he's just generally out

a favor he's he's he's definitely not having a great year in terms of the kind of public a lot has to do with like how he was perceived to be treating Britney Spears and stuff but like nowadays like what would be really rare would be if somebody had a hit 16 years we'll just keep going with that number 16 years if somebody had a hit 16 years ago and then and then put out an album now and it was once again like being played I feel like 16 years has now become that's an amount of time where you just and there may be some there may be some um counters to this but it just seems to me like in a way that you don't get to be the having a number one song 16 years apart anymore i don't know it's because just like the way we make music is changing i don't know if it's because of all of the amazing ai programs that we now have some of which we tapped into yesterday but i i can't think of an example where uh you know you have a number one hit in the 70s and a number one hit in the 80s the way some of these bands did i just don't this is there are there people doing that are there artists doing that and i'm just not realizing it it's funny my

gut says the opposite of what your gut is saying by the way 16 years ago was 2008 i was making it even further ago like i i just again i i won't continue with that but just that old man time is blowing my mind thing i guess the closest one i'm just looking here at 2008 like kind of top 10 or like billboard hits top whatever uh rihanna i don't know how relevant is rihanna now oh i think

rihanna is still pretty relevant katie perry still i think pretty relevant like you know he's on american idol i think if i i could see this you're right this is this is undermining though i'm just

cherry picking out of like a hundred artists here so still though i think that those are two good

examples of um like usher taylor usher could have a hit one taylor swift would be the huge one well Tyler Swift exists in her own whole category of whatever, music and just pop culture dominance. But yeah, so maybe, you know what, maybe 2008, I'm looking at the Billboard 100 number ones of 2008, and I'm seeing names on here that, like you said, Rihanna, definitely, I could see a Rihanna song being really popular. Maroon 5, probably 15 years ago, had a number one hit, and I could see if they put out a new song that was real catchy. um, you know, that could move.

like jagger that reminds me yesterday of a a extended period of listening to the mariners baseball game andrew where rick riz was talking about dan wilson's wife seeing mick jagger walking in the arboretum and then it led him on a disc a discursive conversation about famous people he's

seen including mono you heard it as well i did hear it as well it was practically my favorite

part of the game and then how shannon dreyer was mad because she's a bono head and rick got to meet

her it starts with him the thing that really i'm so glad you heard this too and i was probably like only half listening like playing my own playing my own video game i find it very hard to follow the the like i can play darts and follow the baseball game on the radio really well but because i've been having hand issues i haven't been playing darts and so i've been playing my baseball video game which also is probably not great for my thumbs let's be honest but it's really hard to follow a real baseball game on the radio when you're playing fake baseball on the computer but

right because it's competing it's like it's too similar like there's strikes there's balls there's hits it's like okay which one are we dealing with

exactly like I feel like if I was playing a different video game like a race car driving game or something I could probably but either way I'm in this mode where I've been playing a lot of my computerized baseball as the kids call it and uh so i was only half listening and really the things that stand out are when there's a big play because the announcers get really loud or when they go into podcast mode which is what rick riz did yesterday when um i think because an umpire got their bell rung they had a lot of time to fill that's right this was a day game i wasn't playing my damn video games i was driving in the car yes i was wondering i was a little worried about you if you're doing the video games at 3 30 no no no i forgot no i was no judgment no no i was really productive yesterday i could have used getting a haircut as an excuse for not going to the gym but my friend i was driving from the hair cuttery to the gymmery to come back home and i said i'm just gonna mow the part of the lawn the neighbors can see because it's so unkempt but then i ended up mowing the entire lawn i was very productive yesterday did get good for you did get to listen to a little bit listen to the very end of the rainiers game while i was playing my baseball uh later on that evening but jp got pulled from the game luke i'm not oh nobody knows exactly why right now well he's on rehab assignment right but i mean so nobody said specifically but it's not usually good if you're being pulled in the fifth so anyway we'll keep we'll keep an eye on that and we'll let all our listeners know how jp crawford's doing we know the place that people turn to a month later to know what the latest on jp crawford is but to your point um now that i've totally spun this out of control I will say I loved it when Rick Riz in a moment of reflection says if I saw Mick Jagger I'd have to I'd have to go yes so I just I you know I just would have to say hello I'm just like yeah I mean it it really gets to that compelled that that thing of human nature where we're compelled to go up to famous people and I I kind of understand it I also try to eschew it as much as possible like it's not quite my personality I think I run away from fame and maybe in more ways to do it very good place to hide from any kind of notoriety my friend exactly but he was just like this this moment of it was almost like it came off as like a confession or admission from rick i loved it he was just like i would have to i'd have to go up to him i would just

have to i saw bono once you know and what he said to bono was love your work exactly bono said hey rick no he didn't no he did not yet love your work too well you know the funniest part of that whole story to me was I have a parasocial relationship with Dan Wilson and his wife. So this was a guy who was a Mariner's catcher for many years. Now he's a broadcaster, Dan Wilson, Dan the man Wilson, former Minnesota gopher. He and I have seen, well, first of all, when many, many years ago, when I had a lot of family that was working at Cafe Lago in Seattle, I used to hear reports of when Dan Wilson would come in. And I believe Dan Wilson and his family lived over on the east side, but they really loved this restaurant in Seattle Cafe Lago. And so he would come in sometimes just to like pick up food and take it over across 520 for the fam. And I remember him like signing something for my little brothers once. I think it must have been when when they were still, you know, in high school or something. And I just appreciate that. I also just liked that that's where they wanted to go, because it's a very Seattle, and it's in Montlake, it's small, it's Seattle, it's like, it's not the, and you know, peace and love, but it's not the Joey's at Bellevue Square or something, like, I just tend to associate pro athletes with just having kind of, I don't know, pretty mediocre taste in terms of anything that's not hitting the off-speed stuff, like, you're very good at this one thing, but that usually means you just don't give a lot of thought to a lot of the other parts.

of life, because why would you? But the fact that I knew that Dan Wilson and his wife really loved Cafe Lago, I just found that so charming. And then Addy and I were out at this place on Capitol Hill that's like her neighborhood hang, that's called Single Shot, which sounds like either a gun range or a coffee shop, and it's neither. It's just a really, really delicious restaurant that's run by this very cool couple. And I say that in the best way, like they just seem like lovely people. And it's just but it's it's like you really would have to know. And when I go in there with Addy, I enjoy it. It feels like I'm connecting with a level of cool that has long, long since left my life. But anyway, but again, not in a pretentious way like you would enjoy this place, Andrew. It's not a place where it's so cool that you feel like you're not welcome. Everybody is welcome.

I'm looking at photos of it.

It's beautiful inside, including a couple of times when I was there with Addy. Dan Wilson and his wife Dan the man Wilson and his wife now they were just in there having dinner and they were sitting at the bar having dinner and I just I loved it for so many reasons I loved and this is very presumptuous of me but I love that they're still going on dates I love that they have what would appear to be a regular date night they seem to be really genuinely enjoying each other's company I love that they were at this you know kind of not particularly overly well known restaurant But I just loved everything. I also just love Dan Wilson, just generally speaking.

Tell me about Dan Wilson, the baseball player. What was the vibe? Tell it to me in Cal Raleigh terms. Was he a slugger when he got up to the plate? Were you just like, oh, look out for this guy? Or was he just really good defensively as a catcher? I think he was a very good defensive catcher.

He was really good at managing the pitchers. I think he was a competent hitter. I don't he wasn't like our current guy Cal Raleigh where he's actually Cal Raleigh is is responsible for a lot of the offensive firepower of the team but he's a first ballot Mariner Hall of Famer Dan Wilson he was during a time though when there were huge names right he played with junior and everything so I'm also sort of wondering like because I I don't think I knew Dan Wilson was even a player probably for a long time after hearing him on the radio you know when I first started listening to Mariners games and I didn't

know i knew very very little about the game and i knew even less about the history of the mariners like right now if you were to maybe to stop a casual sports fan on the streets of seattle and ask him to name a mariner cal raleigh i'm guessing would be up there uh after julio was dan wilson sort of like very celebrated at the time or is it more like kind of in in the his post playing years

he's appreciated even more he was celebrated at the time because he had the job for a long time so sometimes you'll have eras with your baseball team where it's like it's kind of a rotating cast of catchers it's like you don't it's just like you know it's it'll just be whomever out there maybe like one guy's good at catching a certain pitcher or they're bringing people up from triple a it's like it doesn't feel like the position is locked in like right now it is we have this guy cal raleigh it's always pretty much cal raleigh unless he gets a break that was like the dan wilson era i mean there was a good 10 years where it was just always dan wilson back there and he was so likable and he was a good player too it isn't like he was just you know we kept him around because he was a sweetheart it's like he was a very he was a good catcher and and you know very competent and and had the job forever and ever and you know caught people like Randy Johnson and Felix um so he you know he was there during a really kind of big he he was sort of like a very beloved player because he had been there for so long and because he'd been really good for a long time not like he's going to make the all-star team every year but very very solid behind the

plate and i also realized i did not approach him at single shot i did not approach him at single

shot but i have approached him i did approach him at cafe lago because it wasn't like one time i like saw him in there a few times and once went up to him and said hey i just want to let you know that a previous time you were in here you signed something for my brothers and it was really nice of you and they really appreciate it and he was like hey yeah sure of course i'm also realizing something else andrew everything that i'm telling you about the the known sightings of the wilson

family would indicate they just live in montlake like oh yeah i think capitol hill kind of being

close to montlake your capitol hill is close to montlake they love cafe lago she recently saw mick jagger walking in the montlake arboretum oh yeah why am i thinking of a zebra here i have always I have I have just assumed that because Dan Wilson is a pro baseball player he lived in Issaquah because that's where like everyone else lived like it's possible that he and his family just decided they wanted to live in like what I consider Seattle Seattle and this whole time I've been just imagining him like voyaging journeying over to seattle to get provisions and then heading back over to the far east side to some you know a particular kind of mcmansion and what i'm realizing now is the dude probably just

lives in montlake and i love i love that you're doxing him right now well i love that you're

trying i can see you're probably trying to google dan wilson address i'm hoping i'm not going to say

anything but there are other people who have um sort of assessed this out yeah really am i right

Are they living in the greater Montlake area?

I will say that I'm not even positive, and it's kind of a weird presentation here, but it does, I'm guessing Montlake area, I'm not sure, but certainly Seattle, yes.

Well, there you go. Now, the question is, does that, how does that change my perception of these two? Because I just thought it was insane that I kept running into them in places, and it's like, no, they just lived in the neighborhood.

Yeah, but still, you know, they have nice-

It was not some sort of divine intervention trying to draw me closer to the Wilson family.

Oh, yeah. I don't want to say too much, but, yeah, I'll just say that your instincts were right on this as far as location.

Well, I mean, here's the thing, Andrew. Whatever interference you think you're running with our audience, these are people that can sleuth the living Tweedle out of the Internet.

Oh, they can scoogle this. They can scoogle.

By the way, I feel like that's a word. that's a portmanteau that's time has come scoogling i had an idea when you said scoogling

before what if we just have people write to or use instagram maybe this is too corny use the tbtl instagram look up too beautiful to live and send john who monitors that frequency send john what you think a good definition definition of scoogling would be and maybe we can post them

to instagram everybody's definitions of scoogling well if i give what i meant is that is that

does that ruin the bit oh i thought you just stumbled on googling scrolling i did but then

i realized right away well because my dad on the ipad is scrolling uh-huh in google which i'm not usually doing if i'm on my laptop i don't consider that to be scrolling right or scrolling to be a phone thing but there's something about the fact that he's on the ipad and he's scrolling but he's on also some in some sort of google thing that's where googling came from but i did say it by accident but then i i actually thought it sort of made sense yeah no i like that in fact nobody

sent any definitions we have it we have a lockdown thanks that was quick thank you um everybody cease and desist send no more instagram messages to john i do like that term and stop googling

dan wilson's uh home address please we was hoping for some razzle dazzle razzle dazzle that's right

man. Razzle, dazzle. On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody

razzle, dazzle. Okay, let's thank some dazzling donors. These are the incredibly generous people who are donating, voluntarily donating a dazzling amount of dough so that we can do this as our job five days a week. It's a weird system, but somehow here it is working 4,207 episodes in. And look who it is. It's our friend, Denny Gomer from Seattle, Washington. Denny has been supporting the show and interacting with the show for many, many years. Denny says, Luke, Andrew, and John, I like the changes you've made to the podcast since going independent. I find them very refreshing.

Have we made changes?

We have fewer Carvana ads.

But we do have a noticeable fewer amount of Carvana ants.

That's the main difference that I can think of. That being said, please retire the notion that daylight savings time is promoted by farmers. I grew up in Iowa in the 50s and 60s and learned that the farmers hated daylight saving time. Stores stayed open until 9 p.m. only one day a week, Thursday in our town. And since farmers work by the sun, not the clock, they had trouble making it to town before the store closed. DST was conceived and promoted by politicians. Farmers still hate DST because it throws off the rhythms of the farm to change the clocks twice per year. I hate DST because I jump out of bed to go running first thing in the morning. The time change robs me of a hard-earned hour of morning daylight in the spring. Ugh. Okay, so let's unpack this. So, I definitely have been saying, I thought this was the case, that the origins of daylight saving time, which I guess is the, daylight saving time is the period of time where we have fallen back, right? For something that impacts all of our lives a lot, there's a lot of confusion around it, including me. But I think daylight saving time is when we fall back. So, when it gets dark earlier, that's what I think. Hold on a second.

it we know daylight saving time and it's saving

by the way i'm not going to correct denny because denny is giving us a lot of money but exactly if you're going to argue about it also you know who saving um but daylight saving time now i'm probably going to hoist myself by my own petard here but we fall back in the fall and so throughout the fall and winter i'm pretty sure that's standard time i think it's in the summer time when we spring forward we're engaging in daylight saving time because we're trying to save as much time We're trying to save as much daylight during normal waking hours as possible during the summertime, right?

I think you're right about that. And the thing that I've said is it should be called daylight adding time because saving time sounds like you're putting it in your pocket. You're storing it away in some sort of, you know, investment tool. Like daylight saving time sounds like we're having less of it, but we're saving it. We're going to really enjoy it later.

Yeah. So it is from March to November this year is the daylight saving time.

So Denny does not like springing ahead.

I guess not.

This man hates cans.

Exactly. Speaking of things that are confusing as far as not making sense when you say them is quarter of. Now, I've got to be honest with you. This might be an Ohioism. If somebody were to ask you what time it is, would you ever say it's quarter of one or quarter of two?

no because i'd have to think quarter of is that 40 is it 140 quarter 140 is quarter of two right

you know the quarter hours are 15 or or 45 so it's a quarter an hour it's a quarter hour see i'll say quarter till or quarter after what time is it is it is it one o'clock yet i'm like dude it's already it's already quarter after like that makes sense to me it's a quarter after one one 15 quarter till one 12 45 exactly but growing up half past a monkey's butt quarter to his balls

hey it's a kids show this is a this is children's denny was denny grew up in the 50s and 60s in

iowa denny can handle it this is a children's program which is why we spent a half hour on dan wilson's dining habits yeah um i was gonna say though that i this might even maybe this is stupid for me to bring up because maybe it was just something about the part of ohio that i grew up in but people would say it's quarter of and i never knew is that quarter till or quarter after And then I learned that it's quarter till and that makes no sense to me. If you if if something is of something, you have it already. It should it should be quarter after. Like I just let's for anybody who's still using quarter of and I may only be talking to my dad here. Let's say quarter till or quarter after.

Have you considered just having this conversation directly with Bob?

We're not there yet. We're not there yet. I'm warming up to it.

So it sounds like Denny does not like the springing ahead. I guess. And Denny, you know, it takes all kinds. I hear you on that. I do enjoy it because I like it when it stays light until later. But I respect your right. I disagree with it, but I'll defend to the death your right to express this opinion, Denny, as long as you keep supporting the show. And you know what? Even if you didn't, I would defend to the death your right to say this. You're right to be wrong about this, Denny. Absolutely. But I will stop. What I will do is I will stop referring to this as a farming thing, even though that is what the Internet keeps telling us. But the Internet is often wrong about it.

And that may even be more on me because I've always believed that, and so I've probably said that a lot. But back to the point, which is giving money to TBTL. I'd like to point out that Denny has been donating to TBTL for a long time. This is one of those names that you see, and you're just like, yes. It's a legacy. A legacy donor. And I just can't say enough, even while I was a little bit catty earlier, how much we appreciate this.

Denny is going to be savings his money Andrew when he stops donating please do not roast do not subtly roast the donors we love you Denny thank you Denny we love you we appreciate you maestro

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but i've only heard wonderful things i i have also never been but i've also only heard amazing things about beautiful ann arbor michigan it's supposed to be a little slice of heaven very arty i mean i do wish i mean it's a college town but also i would rather that that football team didn't defeat my the university of washington huskies in the i would say last time in my lifetime probably last time ever that the huskies will get into the national championship game of football like that happens to michigan pretty frequently that was a one in a 50 year event

for the uw huskies and um you know but at least michigan got there cleanly you know oh what am i doing to the donors i mean what are you doing dude you know what i'm gonna kill my mic is denny a michigan fan did you

find no sarah and matt said hey luke and andrew we call it bubble water in our house too did that happen organically or did we pick that up from you guys yeah i i don't i i'm trying to remember where i got that from but somebody called it bubble water maybe an x and then it just became kind of my my thing i have been on a mission to try to call it sparkling water like on the airplane it just hasn't stuck yeah i have you know it's not it doesn't come natural to me i naturally

when you so you're still on an airplane you might still say can i get a bubble water was it just one time or did you say frequently you get like sort of a quizzical look i think it maybe was a couple

times where just because of the noise on the aircraft and me calling it something that other people don't call it like bubble water like i it was a like a you know sort of a come again but now you know what i say i say club soda and they have these little our friend broadcast barry loves this too but they have these little packets of this lime powder made from real limes and it's so there's something it's that effect of being at altitude that's just like everything tastes a little bit different and some things taste maybe more bland but something tastes better And anyway, so I just say club soda with the lime packet. And you know what I've had happen now more than once is I'm going second. So somebody next to me gets their thing, and then I go club soda with that lime. And then the person goes, can I get the lime too?

Yeah, that often people.

Like they didn't even know that it was a possibility. They're studying at the feet of a recognized master.

Speaking of studying, I wonder if there's an interesting study about the power of suggestion, particularly on airplanes. I feel like that is where you can see the power of suggestion played out like the most acutely.

yes I think you're right because I can't even begin to analyze this the psychology of it but you're right it's like sometimes somebody will do I think it's because it always feels and I obviously fly a lot so I've got my systems in place now but even for me it's like you're hemming and hawing you're like what did I want to get the snack pack am I even hungry still am I just bored like am I do like should I get a ginger ale should I get and there's something about the person next you doing something that just helps clarify what you want to do more so than in normal life like i feel like there's like most of being on an airplane when it comes interacting with the staff is like ah do i want this do i not want this should i do it should i get a glass of wine should i not like for instance you're flying it's a certain hour of the day maybe you wouldn't normally be having an alcohol drink at that time but you're on the plane but you're like i probably won't but then the person next to you gets like a double bloody mary you're like well maybe i will have some

champagne luke that's what i was gonna say i have i think that there have been times where i should have gotten commission for the alcoholic beverages that were sold to the people in neighboring seats because you're a trailblazer i am a trailblazer uh my liver is a trailblazer which is is that a wilco album um i i i've recognized i don't drink always on an airplane but if i'm going on vacation somewhere and especially you know depending on when i'm landing or whatever like i am prone to get probably a couple of drinks like usually i think i'll get like a cranberry vodka or something like that and you can hear it in the person next to me you can hear it in their voice that when they hear me order a light bulb goes off like oh we can do that like they were like kind of do i want a coke maybe a coffee or whatever and then i'm like i'll take a double cranberry vodka and they're like oh i'll have uh there's something with the oh i'll have uh and then they order like a beer or a screwdriver or something i'm just like i sold that i did that i sold it yeah i think

you're right i think everyone's looking everyone's looking for a leader on that airplane because it's for a lot of people it's kind of for if you heard a pause in my voice because i was reflecting on a scene from the show cheers that recently like resurfaced on tiktok for me i wasn't i mean anytime i watched cheers as a kid i enjoyed it i mean it was not the i wasn't allowed to watch it but if I you know somehow was at someone's house and it was on I always thought it was very funny but it's not a show that I have like a deep knowledge of but the scene was pretty funny because it was like Carla so it's like Rhea Perlman right I believe and she's coming over and uh taking the order of these two women who are very like matronly and they both like start out being like one was like you know I'll have a tap water room temperature and the other one is Like, I'll have a, you know, I'll have a ginger ale. And somehow in the process, and so Carla's like, okay, tap water, ginger ale. And then the woman goes, although, you know, maybe I'll have a little ice in my water. Maybe I'll, yeah, you know what, I'll have a tap water with ice in it. And then it was, ooh, that does sound good. Okay, I'll have ice in my ginger ale. And over the course of about four minutes, these women go from that to they've talked themselves into two boilermakers. like is it all like is it all all one scene no cuts it's all focused on that on that table at that moment it doesn't cut away and come back over the course of the show that's great

yeah no it all happens in the same scene and it's like very because you start to realize midway through oh here's what's going on they're just like they both really wanted to just get ham boned but they're both being very proper or maybe not maybe they both you know it had never occurred to them but they somehow just wind each other up to where they're doing shots in a beer by the end of the order, which is kind of great.

Kid, do you mind if I just play it right now? It's not full four minutes. It looks like it's about one minute here. This has got to be it. I'm not sure, but the name of this video I just found is Sherry Sounds Very Nice. This has got to be it.

So what do you have? I'll have a cup of tea. And I'll have a small sherry. Okay. Now, that sounds nice. Sherry sounds very nice. And it is late afternoon. I think I'll have a glass of sherry, too, please. Two sherries. Make that a glass of wine. White wine. Wine? I haven't had a glass of wine in ages. Is your wine dry? Yeah, it's okay. Then give me some wine, too. Some wines. You know what sounds like fun to me all of a sudden? What? A beer. I haven't had a beer since I don't know when. I used to have half a beer on a hot day. Well, it's quite cold out today. Then put a shot of whiskey with it, and it's perfect. Two Boilermakers, Wild Turkey and Bud.

It paid off. I love it. Wild Turkey. A nice detail. Anyway, back to Sarah Golden and Matt Phillips, who say it's hard to tell because tbtl that is if they are wondering if they say bubble water organically or if that's our kind of impact on their lives it's hard to tell because tbtl has been a constant in our house since dan savage gave you a plug on his podcast about a decade ago i think you'd been at a seahawks game question mark yes that's really funny that that worked in the reverse because what happened was the seahawks i want to say alaska airlines actually invited me to one of their fancy boxes for a big Seahawks game. I think it might have been the NFC Championship game or something. But it was also with the kind of implicit idea that I would invite some more famous people that I knew. And then there would be some sort of social media activity. And then Alaska Airlines, their visibility would raise. So it was the funniest thing because I ended up bringing... It was like, were you there for this too?

No, I wasn't there, but this is the one where you end up on Brock Heward's shoulders, I believe.

I think we were dancing around. His wedding ring flew off, and they found it days later in the suite. I believe it was Dan Savage, Ken Jennings, and maybe my little brothers. But it was an interesting group of people. And and like, yeah, I think I think that Dan. So Dan Savage, then talking about going to the football game with me, ended up driving at least Sarah and Matt to come check out TBTL. So even though Alaska Airlines was dangling this carrot of the sweet in front of me to promote Alaska Airlines. Ultimately, we were the victors, Andrew, because Dan Savage ended up promoting us on his podcast.

And now they're not just listeners, but dazzling donors.

Exactly. Anyway, all those little TBTL-isms have been fully integrated into our household lexicon at this point Thank you for creating this community and podcast that we can rely on day in and day out And congrats on going independent We will join the chorus of tens who appreciate the risk that all three of you beautiful biz boys Took to protect this thing that means so much to so many of us Cue the Maria Bamford, what you do is so important P.S. Sorry, this is late only a tbtl listener would donate money to the show voluntarily write a lovely letter and apologize

for it being late and i can't believe that just today i cleared out my maria bamford drop i didn't know it was being called for again today this morning i saw my bamford drop in my little audio player here and i was like i don't need that today and i got rid of it and now here it is this just

Sweetie, have a good show. What you do is so important. You just got to keep that thing, you know, keep that in a holster right next to where all your other audio is because it seems to be now the sort of preferred sign-off for these messages.

Yeah, that was on me. Sorry for the clunkiness there, but thank you for the donation.

Well, thank you for the support, Sarah and Matt, and what you all are doing is so important. Thank you, Denny, as well. We couldn't do this without you. Yes. There's a right way to rock and a wrong way to roll. You can just listen to your soul Just remember that life is number one You can be having so much fun Just remember that life is much fun You can be number one

Alright, let's do some Blursdays here. Luke, you ready? Are you in Blursday mode? I am so ready. Okay, I need you to be in Blur's Day. Born ready. Okay, good. Brett in the U District, our pal Brett says, Happy Blur's Day to my wonderful and talented wife and TBTL progenitor Amy. Hope the day is filled with bike rides, planting, and all the soup dumplings you could ever want. Oh, jealous. Rockwell, Mac, and I love you no matter what the cats say. What?

Meow.

I was waiting for you to play the meow drop. Oh, okay. Sorry, that's a different screen. I can do that.

Hold on. I think so. I've got this one. That's exactly what I needed. Is anybody mentioning a rooster in their message? Because I've also got... Keep that in your holster. We're going to need that. Is anybody mentioning a monster? Because I've also got... Is anybody wishing happy birthday to a monster?

That's the scariest Blur's Day moment yet.

Is anybody messaging us from a forest? Which maybe they would need the ambiance of. This is nice. I was adding in the goat. Maybe there's a dog that walks through the back. Oh my gosh, Andrew, wait. Is that an elephant? we got to get out of here on this helicopter see you later suckers i'm taking my helicopter out of this forest do you want to hear an interesting story about birds i do as soon as i stop this helicopter sound effect yeah i want

to distract you while you're piloting that please um right we have a lot of crows around our place and the crows interact with us a lot. They, like, bring Genevieve just horrific gifts. They bring, like, food that they find around the neighborhood, and they bring it, and they soak it in the new big bird bath that we got. We're like, it's a bird bath. Interesting, right. Not a bird colander. But anyway, Genevieve was outside in our front yard giving Bingo a little walk, by the way. She had Bingo with her on a leash, and there was a crow. These crows sit on these power lines, unfortunately, right over our car, which is one of the reasons there's often a lot of bird poo on the car that I got to clean up. It's really nasty, but it is what it is. And we like our bird friends. Genevieve said that the crow was out there making this very short sort of like kind of barky, beepy almost noise that crows don't usually make. And bingo, the cat was like really into it. And Genevieve is standing out there. She's like, why is that noise so familiar to me? What is that crow doing? And then she realized the crow was mimicking the sound of our car horn when we lock the car. It makes a quick beep sound. And she said, yeah, apparently. Whoa, whoa, whoa. God. That got me off the street. That got me out of the way of that speeding vehicle. Yeah, apparently crows mimic. I didn't know that. And this crow is now mimicking the size it sits above our car. And it's not like I'm sitting there just, like, you know, beeping the car all day long. We do it, like, once or twice a day, if that. But, yeah, apparently some of the crows are learning and mimicking the sound of our car.

They are so, so smart. I can't even believe it. It is true. Oh, wow.

I'm really nice to crows. Now, when I see a crow, I say, hello, crow. And I sometimes say, recognize this face because, you know, crows have nice faces.

I'm one of the good guys. I'm an ally.

Exactly. Emily and James in Vermont say we want to wish our, let's see, I read that in the wrong order. So I'm going to start over. We want to wish a happy 8th Blursday to our five, Willow. You're the second. Oh, I got to be so careful with this sentence. You're the best second kid we could have asked for. We love you. You see, I almost said you're the second best kid we could have asked for. And that is not what the sentence says, Willow. So explain that. You are the best second kid we could have asked for. We love you. Happy Blur's Day, Willow.

Cute.

Melissa says, happy Blur's Day to the best roommate ever. Listener, Ciara. Ciara is a shining example of intelligence, kindness, and beauty. both inside and out not only is she a badass woman in a stem field but she also has a heart of gold that radiates warmth perpetually thank you for your invaluable u-dub parking tips fashion advice and tolerance of my cleaning neuroses You're the perfect roommate and friend, and I'm so grateful that our paths crossed. Julia says, happy Blurs Day today to my amazing brother and newer 10, John. You are my hero and an amazing uncle and busker, too. Keep being your kind, helpful, artistic self. Maybe this year you can start Uncle John's band. And speaking of Woodstock, Uncle John's band. Oh, yeah, they played there. Grateful Dead song. Yeah. Good thing to point out. Aaron and Chris to say, wishing our friend Tendo Show a very happy birthday. Thanks for being part of our amazing Gale group and our Tens community. Your passion is inspiring, and you bring sparkle and joy into the world. Keep being you and have a fantastic birthday and year ahead.

Right.

Happy Blurze show. I like when that bass hits like that. Sherry says, happy Blurze to my husband, Peter. We make a good team. He's the engineer to my artist, the doer to my dreamer, the cook to my baker, the earth to my water. He's the calm in my storm. Thank you, Peter. You brought love into my life just at the right time. I love you, Sherry. Very sweet.

I think that's Peter and Sherry out there in Port Townsend. It is. It most certainly is. Happy Blur's Day, Peter.

And finally, Sean and Hiromi say happiest of Blur's Day wishes to our beloved five, Yoshiaki. Yoshiaki turned six on Sunday and we're over the moon that we kept us all alive for six whole years. You're smart and kind and have some wild Zen cone-like knock-knock jokes that are some real knee scratchers. I like that. A knee scratcher. That's my kind of joke. While we're in no hurry to see you go, we fully support your career as a teacher slash farmer slash firefighter slash pilot slash garbage collector slash Jedi. Happy Blurs Day, Yoshiaki.

By the way, our phone line is always open to those mysterious knock-knock jokes. Yes. We definitely would love to hear those and try to figure out what's going on with those. I remember that phase of life when you're a kid and you know that jokes exist and you're obsessed with jokes and you also like to make up your own jokes and they maybe don't always land.

Exactly. In fact, I have something here that I have an email that I received, oh my gosh, in late April. So it's been like a couple of months now from a listener, Meredith, who says that her five, Teddy, had a couple of jokes that he wanted to share with us. And I haven't even screened these yet. But at the end of the show today, without screening these things, I hope they're not filthy. Teddy, please don't get me fined by the FCC. We will share these jokes there. All right. Maybe they'll be knee scratchers.

Maybe so. all right uh we didn't get to sriracha today but we'll talk about it on tomorrow's program that's going to that's going to be the end of the show for this thursday but of course we'll be right back here with another program for you tomorrow more of this imaginary radio so please do join us for that in the meantime have a great thursday take care of yourselves go little sluggers they're playing tonight oh yeah and please remember no mountain too tall And good luck to all. Wow.

Guys? Yeah. What do you call bears with another ears? Buh.

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